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Metalhead Podcast, Metalhead Podcast, Go!

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You must listen.

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Now, here is the Podcast Metalheads Podcast.

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Hello and welcome to the Metalheads Podcast. My name is George.

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This is Jay.

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This is Will.

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This is John.

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This is Matt.

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And we are joined today by Trevor Portz of Ashen Horde. Welcome back, Trevor.

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Thanks, man. What's up? How's it going?

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Pretty good. This is your third time on the podcast.

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I know. Do I get something special for that?

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Is there like a check in the mail or something? You'll get a t-shirt at Decibel. Oh, okay, sweet. It actually means you have to start pitching in on gas. If I get them ordered. Before we get started, I just wanted to say that last time I mentioned that we were going to make some shirts and we're going to try and bring them to Decibel in a couple of weeks. I've been having some difficulties with the printer. They've sent me two test shirts and both of them were wrong.

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I feel like I'm Trevor trying to get vinyl made or something. Every fucking time. Really? Is that with you again? I didn't catch that. Well, the last time was like a special case where the pressing plant fucked it up like 20 times and it took six months. This time it's just a like three week delay. But yeah, yeah. April 11th. Apparently, you know, actually that's funny. There's been a few delays lately. I just got the new overkill on LP and it was delayed. I wonder if there's some backup going on somewhere. Some.

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That's what I'm thinking. Because there's that big plant in Czech Republic. That's where ours is being done. And I think, honestly, it's got to be partially because of the popularity of vinyl again. Yeah, probably. They just opened up a new place right by Will and I here in Virginia. Is that open yet? I thought so. It was supposed to be Falls Church, but I think it's in Alexandria now. Yeah. Like a stopper, a pressing plant. A pressing plant. Pressing plant. Like a multi-million dollar pressing plant. Yeah, huge. Yeah. You know who else just bought a pressing plant? Metallica. They actually have their own pressing plant.

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That doesn't surprise me

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Is there any bass?

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Yeah, exactly

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But anyway, I did get a couple people

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that said they wanted some shirts

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and if anybody else is interested

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please let me know, I'm still planning to do it

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it just may take a little longer

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than the next couple of weeks

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but this should

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post before then

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so you might be able to get an order

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in before we order if you want one

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And there's going to be a really cool design on it, which you will see when I post this episode, we'll be posting the new artwork. So that's what will be on the shirt. All right, back to Trevor. So back to me. Today is March 22nd, and that is also the release date for your new album, Fallen Cathedrals, your third album. Congratulations on the release. Yeah, thank you. It's fucking weird. I mean, I, for all the years I've been playing, I did not ever think I'd actually make it probably to a second.

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second album, let alone a third. So it's really surreal that a third album came out. Yeah. You seen any orders today? It has been actually really pretty shockingly great. That's awesome. I think the Angry Metal Guy review last night started the avalanche. It was awesome. That was a pretty good review. I was going to bring this up later, but since you mentioned it, a couple things about that. I mean, first of all, it was a great review.

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But I was curious because they were out of five. Yeah. They, they were commenting on the wonderful, uh, varied vocal styles of Stevie. I know. And, and they were talking about his great clean vocals. And I was like, um, that's not Stevie. Yeah. I was really happy. Well, yeah, I was happy that someone else pointed that out in the comments because I was like, it just felt like a really dick move and weird for me to do it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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It's like someone said it and I was like okay now we're good

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Yeah but if you did it though I would have said

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look it's cool if you bump us up to a

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4.5 I'll let it slide

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Yeah exactly

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Honestly my response

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to the guy was like if you had said they were

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terrible and you hated them and thought it

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ruined the album I would have been like oh yeah that was all Steve

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So Trevor did you read all those

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comments? I read

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a bunch of them. Today I spent some

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time reading them and there was one guy that just

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Tore into the record and hated it and hated the review.

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And then I kind of stopped after that.

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Professional.

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Always end on a high note, man.

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Well, you know, it was kind of funny.

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Like everyone's got their opinions.

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I mean, I'm going to be the controversial guy here and say you guys all raved about the sludge record.

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I bought it based on that.

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That was the next.

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And I was like, eh.

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And they compared you to that, too.

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And they compared you to that.

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I know.

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It wasn't like I thought it was terrible.

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And I was kind of like, eh, so I get it.

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But the thing that made me laugh about it is, and this has actually been common among a lot of the critics, is he didn't feel that it lived up to the description. He didn't think it was progressive enough. He didn't think it was black metal enough. Didn't think it was dissonant enough. And I'm like, well, that's kind of the point. And I'm like, it's not one thing. So in a way, it's kind of like, well, if you don't dig it, those are justifiable reasons, because clearly you're not looking for what we're doing.

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Yeah, well, and you make it, you know, it's a sort of thing where, like, this makes me so uncomfortable because it's not right in some real safe place for me. You know what I mean? Like, truly, man, that's how people can be, so that's all right. But it's fine. But most people have been digging it, and so that has been really great. I would guess he's maybe unhappy somewhere in his life. Yeah. That's really what it comes to. In the comment section. Pass the comment on the web to, yeah, feel better, I know. You know, his mom's basement flooded, and his bed is floating away, and he's all mad. To be fair, he did say,

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He was coming down from the flu. Okay. So I'm going to assume he's just very feverish. Why is that in the comments section? Like, who cares? TMI? Have you ever looked at the comments? No, I don't. Oh, it's an absolute shit show for every album. I'm not a fan of this album. I also have diarrhea. I was going to say, Trevor, it's not bad that one person is like that because the follow-up comments to something like that could just be absolutely hilarious.

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Absolutely. And I will probably troll them a bit. I'm not going to comment, but it's fun to read. Yeah. They just fight with each other constantly on there. Oh, yeah. And it gets really bizarre at some point, usually. Trevor, have you ever follow Inner Armor on Twitter? No, I haven't. It's priceless. I will do that. Do tell. Well, I mean, just because the lead singer's name, Joe. I ran into him at the, what would they play?

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I ran into him again at the Decibel Tour up in Baltimore. So I verified when I saw him up in Baltimore that Joe runs the Twitter. And it's hilarious. Just because they're so self-deprecating and they fuck with their fans a little bit. They will go out and they will search Twitter for just inner armor. Not when they're

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and not just when they are actual at the inner arm at 804.

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They'll just search, and then they'll find all these people making criticisms of it

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because they don't want to tag inner arm, and it's funny.

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But they troll the fans a little bit in a very funny and respectful way.

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So it could be a platform for you.

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That's not something I want to open up to.

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I'm not going to be the guy that trolls fans. Trevor, I just want to give you a live update. I'm just downloading your record now. That's a sale on the air, my friend. Thank you. I appreciate it. I'd be pleasantly surprised or horribly disappointed, depending on which side of the fence you are. I say that to my wife every night before bed, too. This could be a big night for you. Just one thing before we get too far.

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Trevor explain the band the genre and all that stuff so it's funny you say that because that has been like a big topic too is the genre I was I was doing another interview the other day and the guy asked if if not really having a specific genre has hurt the band and I think it actually has because on the one hand it's really hard to tell people what it is so if like like when you're tagging things on band camp people are looking for

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black metal or death metal. And it's really not those things. And I'm always reluctant to label it because kind of to that guy's point, if I call it progressive black death, someone's going to say it's not proggy enough. Someone's going to say it's not black enough. Someone's going to say it's not death metal enough. But it's like a little of everything. So it's hard to describe. To me, it's just metal. It's everything I like. I just try to put in there whatever I think is cool. And hopefully other people dig it. So it's got melodic, melodic moments and dissonant moments and weird stuff. It's just whatever.

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Well, you kind of wrapped it up because I was telling somebody at work about it. And I said, well, it's kind of like progressive, melodic, blackened, technical death metal. Exactly. But then you say that and it just looks pretentious and people are like, oh. Throw pop music in there. Then you can kind of bounce it out a little. Right. Exactly. Ariana Grande inspired prog blackened death metal. That's pretty much it. So what about basically Ysan then? Basically. This almost feels like a contest.

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to have amongst ourselves to come up with a name of your genre. You know, be on Grande Corps. That would be awesome. But also Ariana Corps. Grande Corps. I feel like, I feel like, go ahead. No, I was going to say, I feel like your genre would be a word that has nothing to do with metal. And it would, maybe, maybe, maybe not core at the end of it. Or maybe something different. Everything always ends in core. Yeah. Yeah. You've got like crust punk. What's something nonsensical like that.

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You know? Sinus. Sinus? I wouldn't use that one, but that would be, you know. Anyways. Yeah, if you can come up with something, I'm all about it. I noticed on band camp the other day, I've been on a sort of a grind core kick lately, and I can't believe I'm actually into something with a core on it, but. That's the only acceptable core in my mind. That and the Marine Corps. And the Marine Corps. Thank you, of course.

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on that using, you know, Benkamp's little keywords. And some of the stuff that was coming back was like doom metal. Right. And I'm like, so, so basically what's happening is here is these assholes are just throwing every genre tag on there so that they'll show up in all the searches. And that kind of defeats the purpose. I had thought about that, but I totally see why. Yep. It's the Craigslist thing. When you go looking for a guitar and Craigslist and then, and you go Gibson, Les Paul, and it's down in the footer and what they're selling is some fucking Dean thing or something.

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They do that a lot. Or they want to trade whatever they have for a Gibson. For that, yeah. So for the people that are listening and don't know, this is, I believe I already said, but the third album from the band, this is the first full-length release with Stevie on vocals. What else is new this time around? Or different? Well, the songs are completely different from the last two albums. There are no repeats, so that's new.

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I was like, you know, this time I'm going to go in and write 10 or 8 new songs. So it's the first record with clean vocals too, which was, I was a little on the fence about, I think I even talked to at least you about it, Georgia, I was like debating, can I do it or is it going to kill everything the band has gained, which is not that much. I think it was a real improvement. I think it worked. People seemed to dig it. Yeah. For me, it's kind of like when Cattle Decapitation added their semi-clean vocals.

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I was like, yeah, I was like, they were cool before, but that just, that fucking made them. And I feel the same way about you with this. Oh, wow. Thank you. I really appreciate it. Yeah. You know, it's like, cause I'm into so many things again, as I've made pretty clear, but I just think it adds, yeah, another layer. I love things like Borknagar and Eson stuff and all. I love the mix. I just think it really adds another level of depth. And so I gave it a shot. And no less heavy, dude. I mean, you know, like, especially with all the references,

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is just shared.

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I think it might be more acceptable now.

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Maybe we're getting past that thing where people go right in the other direction when you introduce this.

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I don't know.

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I mean, am I wrong about that?

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Does it seem like it's a little more on the table now?

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What is?

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To introduce the clean vocals after a while.

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Yeah.

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Well, I mean, there's always been for a while.

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For some of us.

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But there's the true cult people that are like, no.

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That's what I'm talking about.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Those are the dudes still working at a 7-Eleven that are the ones that are the most vicious about that. Oh yeah, well they hate the fact that it doesn't sound like I recorded it in my basement on an old Tascam 4 track too. I mean, Tim Cannon and Zayton's anus. Metallica started clean vocals when in the Black Albums. Sorry, I hate the Black Album joke. I hope that's not what you're saying. When have they not ever had clean vocals, Metallica?

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Sorry.

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Actually, you know, I got an idea, Will.

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You pretty much shoot down the Black Album every episode.

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So how about if every time you do it, I'll slip in my

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this Metallica Black Album insult brought to you by UnderwaterAudio.com.

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I think maybe we just need a segment for every episode where Will has something different and new,

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or even just the same thing every time to say about the Black Album.

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And now from Will, a comment on the Black Album.

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It still sucks

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What is your hatred of it?

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Is it the songs?

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I mean, the production on that album is stellar

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Is it just that it's too

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Because it sucks

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I don't know, mainstream?

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I like it

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The songs suck

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The liner notes are shit

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They stole their album cover from Spinal Tap

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That kind of pissed me off

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It's called Black Album

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Do you remember that Spinal Tap confronted them about that once?

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In a jokey way

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Yeah

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The only thing about me that really sticks

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I don't actually own it

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I would never listen to it on my own

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But they played Inner Sandman at my homecoming. And that was when I knew it was no longer okay to like Metallica. Good call. That's the perfect judgment. If Katie Couric says something about it, we're done. Here's the deal. Here's the deal. I got home from work today. The family was not home. I was doing my thing. The family comes home. They're like, hey, the kids have something to show you. I'm like, all right, cool. They whip out a Metallica t-shirt. And I was like, okay, now you're going to die.

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And it kind of looked like a bass guitar, so I thought, Cliff. And it was sequined, too. So I was like, man, that's a complete new step. Sequin. Sequin Metallica shirt. Wait, is that a true story? That is a true story. I was proud. Wait, is the sequined shirt for you? Well, that's what I thought. And I was like, man, that fucker's going to be tight. But apparently, I don't know which one I'm going to wear. Please wear that to Desi. I'll leave the sequins on.

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Is it one of those sequence flippy things? Actually, that's so funny, Will. It is. I know about flippies. Yeah, my daughter wears a ton of them. I guess the bass guitar changes color, which I'm colorblind, so I can never tell that shit. Hey, Matt, just a heads up. If you do wear that to decibel, you need to stay away from the hoof-hearted booth where they're serving beer because at some point you'll be serving for them if you're wearing a shirt like that. That is a guarantee.

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The Champs will be phenomenal. It sounds like a challenge. Is Hoof Hearted going to be there this time? I think so. I think so, yeah. What is Hoof Hearted? I'm sorry, I don't know. It's a brewery and, you know, a play on Hoof Hearted. Oh, I get it. It's spelled, yeah, it's Hoof Hearted. Yeah, and they are, what you see is real. Just leave it at that. If they're there, you'll know what we're talking about once you see them. Everything about the brewery, like the iconography and the name

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the names of the beers and the labels. It's all about sort of like

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the 80s.

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So there's a lot of wrestling, video games.

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David Lee Roth.

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Yep, David Lee Roth.

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Yeah, I'm looking at their site now.

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Okay, all right.

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Yeah, they had some David Lee Roth thing at Decibel West.

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Actually, I had the stuff I had from them.

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I like, by the way.

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Oh, their beer's good.

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Yeah.

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Trevor, did you go to Decibel West?

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It's right there.

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No, I did not.

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I know.

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I don't actually remember why now,

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I might have been out of town. There was some actual good reason I didn't go. I think you were out of town because I remember I looked. I reached out to Eddie. Oh, because you were here, right? Yeah, but I did. I looked at your Facebook page and I do think you were posting from somewhere else. That sounds very reasonable for me. I was going to look up our LA crew. Sorry. Go ahead, George. So you have a label this time around as well and a PR person. I know. It's been nice.

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It's been nice not having to do that piece of it. The label's been good. Rockshots, they're out of Italy. But yeah, just having someone to actually push the record out there and do all that was fantastic. I was happy to find out I had a promo. I didn't see the email, but it was in there. I get like a billion emails a day from PR companies. And so sometimes things slip through. But I was in the Hollix account looking

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at something else. And I was like, wait, what's that? Imagine horror. Shit. Got to download that. And I went back and checked and I did have an email. I just didn't see it. Okay. Well, I was going to say, I'm glad you actually got one. That's good. Yeah. But yeah, no, it's been great. That's just a level of stress. I didn't have to worry about this time, which was fantastic. Yeah. John Asher is pretty cool. So how long did you work on this album? Wow. For a long time. It was a way more drawn out process than I,

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intended it to be. So I think, let's see, so Nine Plagues came out in the end of 2015, and I started writing Fallen Cathedral shortly thereafter. I'd finished the bulk of it probably by mid to end of 2016. And then I, you know, had all the problems with my vocals, took a while to get Stevie on board, and then Stevie was super busy because he's in like a million bands and they're always touring. Is he in LA? No, he lives in Denver. He's in Denver, okay. How did you

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He used to sing for Veil of Noth, who I have some mutual friends that were in that band. They have a new album, but not with him? Correct. Yeah, I forget his vocals on that now. But yeah, they have a new one coming out soon, right? Yeah, like imminent. Yeah, but he's got like, he's also got in Fairy and then just this month also Equipoise. Yes, and that record has just been like doing insanely well, which

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I'm sure has helped Ash and order a little bit because of the name recognition so that's some serious tech it is tech beyond all tech yeah yeah that's that's kind of give up playing guitar tech for me so I will never be that's cool I'll just stand in the back bro I just like revert back to like three chord punk when I think about playing like that so so yeah so it took a long time to just sync up our schedules then once I got it done it took me forever to mix it because I was really

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I don't know perfectionist and picky about my mix and then the label came along and added another like six months because they had to get it on their schedule and then get it out so which brings us up to now like three and a half years later and you did all the instrumentation indeed I did a renaissance man yeah I know it's fun I like that but I'm also think I'm kind of done doing that I really uh I'm hoping to blow it out to a full band for the next record nice

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Nice. So you can tour? Not so much for that. No, that was just me encouraging you to go tour. I know. Someday. So this is a little side note, but there's another band I just finished a record with, with Live Humans, and they're really keen to do some shows, so that may happen. We haven't actually announced it yet. The record's being wrapped up, so maybe it will happen. Maybe I'll actually get out. What's the name of the band? Dead Humans?

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No. It should be, though. That's a fantastic name. The band is called Abhoria. And it's kind of like... You know, as I said it, I realized I have whore in both band names. Well, at least it's not... At least it's not quite so... I'm trying to think of a way to not say your previous band names. Oh, God. Well, at least you can say it.

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and not cringe. So I like that. And anyway, so I've already finished this record. It's more like kind of 90s black metal, much more straightforward stylistically than Ashton Horde, but still very fast and brutal. Cool. So I'm guessing that given that you have had these songs kicking around for a couple of years, that maybe there's more songs that you've been working on? Oh my God, so many. So the next record,

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It's all written. Music's done. Working on lyrics now. We've also got at least, let's see, six or seven other non-album songs that are in various stages of completion. I just got drum tracks back from Robin Stone. He's the drummer from Norse. If you guys are cool with it, check that record out. He did a couple drum tracks for us. We're going to do a single with him and a couple other things. So yeah, there's just a shitload of material out there now that I'm ready to release soon. It's got to be nice to have a stockpile rather than a drought.

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Yeah, well, that's kind of the thing. I feel like as long as I'm inspired, I got to just keep going because if that runs out, that's the end. Yeah, but then you can just lie and you just release it for the rest of your life. Like Hendrix, he's been dead. He's had more records since he died. And you'd just be like, yeah, I just wrote this now. I'll just, yeah, exactly. Which nobody would buy about Hendrix, mind you, but you get it. Well, to be fair, yeah, I don't think he's claiming like this is my... Hey, man, you can get pretty far with a Ouija board and a microphone. You know what I'm saying? Or Jay, you could say

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you're going to release an album and tell your fans that every single year. And not do it. They're doing it this year. They're doing it. Are you talking about a cat intoxicator or a tool? Both. A reasonable question. I will say this. Trevor made me feel better when he reminded me that his last one came out in 2015 because that's when ours came out. So I think our spread is going to be pretty similar. You've still got a decade to go, Jay, before you even compete. I'm not even going to listen to that tool record. I gave up on them.

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Yeah, long time ago. I feel like if you can't do it this year, pull a Chinese

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democracy and just wait for another 15 or something.

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Yeah.

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So based on what you said, I'm guessing you don't have any plans to try to assemble some people to play some live shows, even locally.

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I would be open to it if the opportunity presented itself.

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If something cool came up, I would probably consider it.

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You know, Trevor, I know a dude in D.C.

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I was going to go there.

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Yeah.

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You know that might be able to help you out. Say you come on a trip. Yeah. You guys come out. Hey, let's go see DC for a couple days. You go to New York a lot, it sounds like. Yes, I go out a couple times a year. If we can arrange something, I can pull it together. There might be beer involved. I don't want to speak for him. I'll let him talk to you. Okay. Pretty straightforward deal. We give you all the money. We give you free beer. We feed.

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You play.

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That's.

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It sounds like a pretty killer deal to me.

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So.

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People are kind of shocked when we tell them that.

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Let me plant the seed with a couple of people.

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I know Stevie's going to be on tour for like.

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A couple months.

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Starting in May I think.

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But.

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Maybe in the fall.

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Let's see what we can do.

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That would be awesome.

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So.

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Can I also say it's been in the 30s in Minneapolis consistently.

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It's not that cold anymore.

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I've got some.

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I need a guarantee of about 75.

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to leave California at this point.

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We're underwater here.

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It's snow melts.

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I have a couch.

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And there's a guest bedroom in my basement.

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I can make you guys some tacos.

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And extra small tacos.

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Oh, tacos may be enough to get me there.

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Actually, that's what we give you at Atlas is tacos.

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Tacos.

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Yeah.

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So this is what, like, metal has become.

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You are paid in tacos.

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And that's it.

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There's no actual money.

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There's worse deals out there. There are delicious tacos. Yeah. Isn't it crazy? 25 years ago, that would be stoners. Dude, I'll take a taco. Now it's Metalhead's. I think that's actually how stoner rock became a thing. So yeah, no, maybe we can make it happen. That'd be cool. Awesome. You got a place to play anytime you want. Awesome. So now that the album's out, I mean, do you have any other plans? I mean, what's going to happen next? You've got all these, you don't have any

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shows planned. You got all this stockpile. What's going on now? Yeah, I know. That's always the next. Or do you just wait and like promote for the rest of the year? That's pretty much what I'm thinking. It's like, let's just keep pushing the record, try to build on the momentum it's gotten. To be honest, I'm not entirely sure how to do that. Hopefully, Asher will help with that because it's like, I feel like there's this huge wealth of info and stuff out there and you can get it to people, but I have no clue how to do it.

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I should go on a podcast. Let me know if you know of any. Yeah, yeah. I might know one. You should play live at a brewery. Yeah. Doesn't Asher work with those Valken Battle of the Bands things? Yeah, I think he does. You should try and get in on one of those and win a spot at Valken. That would be actually really cool. Our one show we play in a year is Valken. Yeah.

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Crosby, Stills and Nash's, their second show was Woodstock. I thought you were going to say it was Valken. They're playing Valken this year. Yeah. Hey, it wouldn't surprise me, you know. They're pretty varied. Valken or Bonnerville? We'll do sailing ships. It'll be great. Hey, Jay, is that true? Yeah, the first one was like, you know, Topanga Canyon and their second one was Woodstock. Yeah, but was Topanga Canyon someone's backyard? Yeah, probably, yeah. But I get the promos from Asher for all of these things and the bands that are like playing those, I'm like, they're not

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They're nothing special. I mean, perfect for it. No, what I mean is I think you can take them. That's the thing. Like I've watched a ton of them. You guys would be fabulous. I appreciate that. So I'll have to check it out. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of funny because it's like one of these things where there was all the buildup, like getting the record finished and getting it mixed and then getting it shopped to labels and then the label picked it up and then that's coming out. Well, now it's like all of that is done. And so now I'm kind of like, oh shit. Now what?

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So rather than just hiding in my room and writing more songs, I really should try to figure out a way to get out there and help build the following.

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Yeah. So one thing I say you mentioned, Trevor, I think you asked a question on one of the social media platforms about full albums versus EPs.

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Yeah. And will you elaborate a little bit on that in terms of kind of your thinking?

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Actually, before you elaborate, Matt gets the research badge this week. Can I sit down there?

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I remember saying that I troll all you guys on Facebook. You just saw my show.

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So I see, I know George is very anti-EP, so we'll get to you in a minute. So what sparked it is actually Abhoria, the other band. So we finished the record. It's been kind of a slow burn getting it. Now everyone's really into it. We got the band in place. Recording it with this guy, Shane Howard at Sawn and Quartered. He worked with Dave Otero at Flatline, doing the new cattle decapitation stuff. It sounds fucking amazing. And so because we're so happy with it and we're going to start working on

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We're like, what's next? And I got another, of course, shocking, more songs. And so the debate was, well, do we write another album or do we just start going down the EP track? And I think it was Veil of Noth that really encouraged like, EPs are the way to go now. That's what people seem to dig. So I was like, well, let me see what the world thinks about that. Well, Beastmaker sure likes them. They released like nine EPs last year. Yeah, they did. They were all like four songs.

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So they all go on the same day? No, no, it's like a couple at a time, I think. But it was spread out throughout the year. How long are those EPs? Four songs. Well, four songs doesn't mean anything to me. Three to four minute songs. Oh, okay. I was going to say. Four to six minutes. Well, there's some bands who do that. But if you're getting like 25, 30 minutes, I don't know why people would be against that if it's new material. I don't think George is. George is not against EPs.

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on the list.

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Well, it's funny because it's a tease.

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Well, it's not, though, because some EPs are twice as long as fucking some of these bands that are getting released on some of these labels that each side is like seven minutes long.

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Yeah.

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With my recent love of Grindcore, I may have to revisit this, but.

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Fair enough.

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And, you know, how about Garage Days Revisited?

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That's a good EP, and I never even think of it as an EP.

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Right.

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I just think of it as a good record.

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And there's plenty of four song albums, but they're like 10 to 20 minute songs. Yeah. George, I don't disagree at all with you when it's like one new song, like a live track and like two remixes. I'm like, well, fuck that. That's a single as far as I'm concerned. You know, so I agree 100% with you on that aspect. But if it's like four or five songs and you're getting 25, 30 minutes, I'm fine with it. I mean, that's going to be something like, yeah, exactly. And the drummer from Horry's comment was, people's attention,

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have gotten so short these days that like we were actually talking about there's a song on this record that we all really like but it's like seven minutes long and i had put it as the the closer to the album and he was like if we do that no one's ever going to get to it yeah and it's like the one everyone loves but i'm like well shit i don't but it's sad when you can't put seven songs on an album and and people are going to listen to the first three or four and that's it well yeah i was gonna as everyone was talking my you know my first

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First of Goldilocks Solution is me personally, I'm a big fan of like six song albums.

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Skip one and three.

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Yes, it's good.

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So Will, is that an eight song album then?

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But seriously, sometimes EPs are a little too short and like, okay, this is just like sometimes I think like, oh, you just run EP.

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Yeah, it's like a teaser.

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It's like, I didn't know what to do with this.

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So I'm just going to release it as an EP.

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But yeah, like the shorter albums, because and I think of it my way is like, I got two kids. I have I have certain periods of time where I can listen to music or I'm in my car. I know I'm driving to work takes me 20 minutes to get to work like, you know, and then I'll forget about it or I'm listening at work or something. So it's like me personally, I'm good with like six or seven songs. Yeah. And when I see like 13 songs, I'm like, man, I may never know a song. It's like over 11, 12 and 13. It's sad, but it's true. Yeah, I think.

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Are you quoting Metallica? Oh, that's on the Black Album, right? Yeah. Anyway, let's work every song title into our conversation. I do not want to be the interview that gets tied to that. Save that for someone else. Don't worry. Trevor, my friend of misery. The Black Album comes up again at some point on another interview. Oh, John, my friend of misery. Oh, I was going to say no.

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is with shorter albums. I agree with you. I actually like shorter albums. I think there was this tendency in like the 90s to throw like 15, 16 songs on a record. And I think it's the same with TV. I've gotten really into Netflix shows and stuff that are like six or seven episodes because they don't feel compelled to draw it out over 24 and 14 of which are not worth watching. It's rather like go write six good songs and put them out. Don't put them out.

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And that's exactly what I was thinking as soon as you said that. Sometimes you have six really good songs and you have four filler songs. Just throw the filler out and just put out the six good ones. Will, you say that, but then the next Funeral Doom album that comes out that you love is going to be six songs and it's going to be like 97 minutes long. That is true. There are exceptions to my rule. There are bands that doesn't matter what they put out, I am going to get it.

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And so

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You know how I can say I agree with that? Because I bought this

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Oh no

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Oh wow

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I'm kind of ashamed

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For the record that's the new Megadeth

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Warheads on your foreheads

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Because I'm a sheep and I buy everything that has their name on it

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And I'm, yeah, whatever

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It's a cool cover though, by the way, I like that cover

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That's the only good thing about it, I think

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Yeah, I was looking at it

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Because I think the flight line number is 36

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and I think it's been 36 years or something like that. Well, they fucked up then because I think there's only 35 songs on here. Is that right? Maybe that's what it is. It's 35. Maybe there's one not listed and it's a bonus song. Oh my God. And it's going to be some. I don't know what it's going to be, but it'll probably be terrible. It's going to be Dave with this. What is this new thing? That was new. Wap pedal or whatever. Oh yeah. Doing his Hendrix. His Kirk Hammett. I think that was, he said for obvious reasons, I didn't want to use one. And I guess because Kirk replaced him and

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all about the wah. Yeah, they hide a lot of sins, and I think that there's a real kind of like big dick contest amongst a lot of guitarists with whether you use a wah or not. Because you can really, you can be pretty bad and sound pretty good with a wah. Yeah, I can attest to that. I tried, for the first time in my life, I tried to play a wah pedal a couple months ago. It's really hard. I'm actually pretty good at it. I have never actually tried. It's weird, because I thought it was more just like,

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you push it all the way down or you push it all the way back.

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Oh, yeah.

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You got to be actually coordinated.

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Yes, exactly.

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Yeah.

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I'd be totally screwed.

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Drummers would be better at playing a wah than guitarists, I think.

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Except that it would just be wah, wah, wah, wah, wah.

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That's a great point.

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I was just thinking, I was trying to think, who do I love that uses a wah in a really good way?

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And I think Eddie Glass from Nebula.

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And he was a drummer first for Olive Lawn.

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So I think that actually makes your point exactly.

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Yep.

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I tried to do it and it was like, all right, my left hand's doing this, my right hand's in my pants and my, you know, my wah. I'm like, what? As per usual. Yes. You know, they do make a self-oscillating wah that you can buy. Auto-wah. Self-oscillating. It's Canadian-made. No, it's a thing. Auto-wah. It's an effect. You have the self-oscillating. I was like, ooh, what's that? Okay. So,

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We're going to see you in a couple weeks at Decibel Metal and Beer Fest in Philly. Who are you looking forward to? I am all about the Enslaved. That was the sole reason that caught my attention to go. Frost was one of the, I guess, first kind of black metal. I mean, at that point, it was still black metal, not biking metal, that I bought and totally changed my life. I think I probably got it right when Eld came out, but I bought it first. And so when I saw they were playing that album in full, I was like, well, there's no choice. I'm going to go.

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And then seeing obituary due cause of death is just added to it. So frankly, I don't really care who else plays. I'm there for that. So not to trypto shame you, but based on a previous conversation, what have you got against Trypticon and Celtic Frost? Come on. I don't have anything against them. They've never struck me. I don't have any love. I don't know. It's not hate. It's just never struck me as anything I really care that much about. I apologize.

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I want you to know that I'm going to actively be listening to another podcast for the rest of this podcast.

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This American Life.

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But you can keep going. I can make enemies left and right.

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I don't like.

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I assume you're going to be at least checking out Deaf Heaven.

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I'll be checking them out, but I'm not going to be.

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I don't know. I'm trying to be open minded about the Deaf Heaven thing.

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I just don't fucking get it still.

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It's a drop.

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To me, and this is like no diss on their skill or whatever.

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their talent. To me, what they've done is take something that was relatively offensive to the population, the general population, and made it acceptable. And whether that's good or bad, I don't know. But I just, it doesn't do anything for me. That's kind of weird. That kind of reminds me of the Black Album. Oh my God. It is the Black Album. Everything is the Black Album. So sad and so true. Right? It's like the Olive Garden of Authentication.

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You go there and you're like, oh, that was okay.

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But your mom will also enjoy it.

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So I have a question that I've decided that I'm starting to ask every episode.

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And that is what song or artist has made a major impact on your life and why?

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Oh, man. Well, okay. I can say the most influential artist in my life period is a guy named Ginger.

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He's the founder of the band The Wild Hearts. He's done a bunch of solo stuff. He's done everything from straight up bubblegum pop with Hey Hello to the Mutation records that featured Shane Embry. That's like noisy stuff. He's worked with Devin Townsend. Everything he writes is gold to me. And when I first heard the Earth vs. The Wild Hearts record back in 93, that was the most life-changing album I've ever purchased. And honestly, though stylistically,

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nothing to do with it. What the Wild Arts do is basically they have this kind of central, almost like Cheap Trick core, and then they'll just bring in whatever they want. There'll be thrash elements, there'll be pop elements, there'll be whatever, and it's all there. And that was when I was like, you know what, if I ever have a band, proper band, which apparently Ashen Horde has become, I'm not going to worry about it. I'm just going to put in whatever I want. So that would be my answer is Ginger. That's a great answer. I'd like to offer up too that Cheap Trick was that kind of band.

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Yeah, absolutely. Some fucking heavy stuff, dude, and a lot of weird stuff. And yeah, they were more experimental than people, I think, know. Yep, absolutely. If all you know are the couple of hits, you know. Yeah. No, some of those lesser-loved records, like Standing on the Edge, are just super fucking cool. And Robin Zander is just such an amazing singer, man. Yep. Oh, absolutely. Nice. Does anybody else have any questions before I turn him over to Will? Ooh. Oh, man.

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No, I like the sound of that. Make it happen. Lightning round. So, Trevor, did you listen to the Inferro Brew episode where we gave the lightning round to Chris? It was to both of them, actually. Both of them? No, shit, I'm sorry I didn't, so apologies for that. So, lightning round, I'm going to ask you questions. You have to answer them very quickly. All right. Are you ready? I guess I am. All right.

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And they may be stupid and ridiculous. FYI. That's all right. Answers will be too. You have to answer. Okay. God, this is, I'm, all right. It's not as hard as you think. All right. Soft drinks or hard drinks? Soft drinks. Which one? Soft drinks. Soft? I don't drink booze, so it's soft drinks. Oh, Coke or Pepsi? Coke. Cat or dog? Dog.

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Missionary or doggy? Missionary, fuck. Clean or harsh vocals? Clean. Action or horror movies? Horror. Black album or ape ass raped? I can't answer that quickly, but fuck, black album. Can I see a picture of the ape? Yeah. Can I get the normal a little? Mm-hmm. Is it a king of apes or just one ape?

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I'd see the Jungle Book. Well, this might be the only time that I would select a Black Album as the choice. So I'm going to go with it. French fries or tater tots? Tater tots. Pizza or burgers? Burgers. Game of Thrones or Walking Dead? Walking Dead. You kick out Metallica for the Big Four, Testament or Exodus? Oh, Testament. Seasons in the Abyss or Rust in Peace? Rust in Peace. Baseball or football? Baseball. Winter Olympics or Summer Olympics? Winter.

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Ozzy or Dio? Ozzy. Iron Maiden Book of Souls or Ape Ass Rape? I don't even think I've listened to that record, but I guess Book of Souls, I don't know. Staying far away from the Ape Ass Rape. Yeah, I'm sorry. I just feel like if I say it, it could happen, and I don't want to make it happen. You don't want to jinx yourself? Exactly. I'll be like, yeah, that would be preferable, and then it isn't because it happened. And my final question is Five Finger Death Punch or Ape Ass Rape?

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I think in this case I'm going to take the risk and go with the ape. Okay. So did you see that guy got the what's his name the singer uh Ivan got that he's like I've been sober for years I'm going to get a giant Mike Tyson face tattoo. He's gonna yeah I feel like he's gonna wake up in a couple days and see it and that will definitely drive him back to drinking or drudge. I did that sober? What? Did he not watch the hangover part two?

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So to sum up, we learned a little bit about Trevor. And Trevor likes to drink Coke. Is this a Mad Lib? Well, kind of. Yeah, I was going to say, this is my story. Trevor likes to drink Coke while fucking his dog missionary style, while singing clean vocals, watching horror movies, listening to the Black Album. It's a little dog. Eating French fries.

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and pizza walking. Tater tots. Don't ruin this beautiful moment with four times. Watching the Walking Dead, listening to Testament. He'd rather listen to Rust in Peace, watching baseball during the Winter Olympics. And definitely does not want to get ape-ass raped until he listens to Iron Man and Book of Souls. And I forget, did you say Ozzy or Dio? No, that was five-finger death punch. That was five-finger death punch.

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That was really the killer, yeah. I actually do a lot of multitasking in this scenario. He did say Oz. You got yourself a hell of the weekend there, too. Yeah, right. Well, you survived forever. I did. All right. That was all right. I don't think it was quite as awkward as the last one. Oh, no. It was pretty awkward. Were the questions the same? Was I just like, I'm curious. I think they were a little more, rather a little less used to the sort of things that we say.

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But yeah.

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All right.

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Well, any other questions before we get into the episode?

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Anyone?

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Anyone?

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All right.

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Well, please go to Bandcamp or anywhere else.

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I assume it's on iTunes as well.

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I haven't looked.

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I don't.

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iTunes, Spotify, Amazon.

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It's everywhere.

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Yep.

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So go pick up Fallen Cathedrals.

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And better yet, order the CD or the vinyl.

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Yes.

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If you say hi to us at Decibel, you'll probably have to say hi to Trevor at Decibel

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because I'm sure we'll all be in a pretty close vicinity from time to time. That's great. I'm going to be clinging to you guys. Yeah. And if you don't know which one Trevor, just look for the skinny, handsome one. The most handsome one, yeah. Yeah. That's right. Yes. How tall are you? About 6'3". Wow. Yeah. See, I see your pictures online and I'm like, I bet he's tall. I'm glad I have an air of tallness. And he's got really big hands. Tracks of land. Big.

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So, yeah, all right. You'll stand out. We'll be able to find you. It'll be good. And I'll be with Jordan from, I don't know if you guys have checked out Weaponizer. You know, I just looked them up today and intend to go and listen. It's cool. It's like real old school, like, I don't know. I'm trying to think of what I'd compare it to. But it's kind of thrashy, blackened, motorhead-influenced metal. Nice. That sounds good.

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Okay, so let's get into the episode now. Let's do the news.

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So former Ozzy and Gillen guitarist Bernie Torme passed away recently at the age of 66. That's unfortunate.

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I didn't really know him I mean I know the name I've heard it before but

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yeah he was a great guitar player the two things I know him from were the Torme record because Phil

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Lewis from LA Gunn sang on it that was the reason I picked it up back in the day and bringing it all together to my earlier comment about Ginger from the Wild Hearts he had a guest solo on Ginger's uh solo album called Yoni and uh so that was really my big exposure to him and he's great great player yeah just to be clear he's not on any Ozzy records but he's um

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You know who else? So I got a trivia question for almost everybody here could handle this. He was in a band with Clive Burr, the drummer from Iron Maiden. And who was the singer in that band? Oh, shit. Very briefly, a short-lived band, but they had an all-star list. They had it. Dee Snider. What? Yeah. What was it called? Desperado. Oh, shit. I have that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Bring Me To Our Mates on that.

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Wow.

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Oh.

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Wow.

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I guess I should dig it out.

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Yeah.

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Huh.

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Did you remember he had that band Widowmaker?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That is.

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Yeah.

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Got that too somewhere.

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All right.

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So this next one's going to detour because it's going to start in one place and then

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I'm going to take it somewhere else.

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Nurgle has defended Lords of Chaos, the new movie, saying that it's really well done.

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And there's been a lot of discussion. And I've seen a lot of negative talk about this album. And I think it's, I finally watched it today. I was like, oh shit, I told everybody to watch this movie and I didn't watch it yet. So I watched it today and I thought it was great. I thought it was exemplary, actually. I mean, not to outdo you, but it was, I don't understand. I don't know. I know what these complaints are. I haven't read them. They're posers. Yeah. I think the people that are pissed about it are like neo-Nazi Varg followers. I don't think anyone else

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actually had a big problem with it. It is not kind of arg. I mean, he is the villain. It's not kind of either of them. Shocking that a guy who killed someone and is now a Nazi is the villain in the movie. Right. I totally agree. Yeah, I know. You're absolutely right. I mean, and that's there's no defending that. And he you saw Travis, Trevor. I have honestly I have not, which is I know probably really shocking because when I got into black metal, that was when that all went down. I mean, I remember going to a metal fest and mayhem and emperor were both headlining and they couldn't be in the

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building at the same time. There was all sorts of security and stuff. So yeah, I really need to. I just haven't had a chance. Well, George, let me ask you this. Were you shocked by the visceral nature of the violence? And what I mean is like literally when deadhead blows his head off, dead blows his head off. They recreate the picture in live. I mean, after he's slicing himself up right before that. Yeah. Yeah. That was, that was almost more graphic there. Was that, yeah, it was. I forgot about the whole cutting his wrists and cutting his throat before he shot himself.

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But also I would point this out.

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And he showed all of that in graphic detail.

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Well, they also showed, if you go and, you know, if you, I'm sure we've all read the book and so on and so forth, but the two murders in the film, which are the gay guy and Bergen, I think, or, no, maybe it's not Bergen, in any case, maybe it was Oslo.

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No, it's not Leheimer.

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Okay.

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So, and then, um, Euronymous.

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I'm pretty sure that they made sure to get exactly the amount of stabs that are in those reports, and which, by the way,

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the count is high. And each one of those staffs in that movie is so real and so... I could feel them, man. It was rough. I felt that... I honestly don't know what people have to complain about other than possibly the fact that it makes true Norwegian black metal look kind of posery because the one guy was truly kind of a poser, Neuronymous. I mean, he was a...

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He didn't really believe any of this stuff. He was just trying to be wild and crazy. And then the other guy Varg was just... He was also a wannabe at the beginning, but he was just batshit crazy. And he was militant, but he didn't even understand his own theology, if you will. Yeah, he was losing himself up his own ass at the end. Yeah.

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Yeah, no, you know, that's what it kind of makes me laugh because I've seen that criticism a lot too that it paints black metal guys, I guess is not as true as they should be. But I'm like, I've been in the scene a long time. And I've met guys across the board. And it's probably the most honest depiction of what black metal dudes are really like. But people don't like to see that. It's like, you know, in that period in the 90s. And I remember to it was they were like, it was almost like Kiss, right? You pictured them in like living in a different realm. They lived in

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fucking dungeons and they ate raw meat and they did all this and they didn't they lived at their parents houses just like everyone else i would probably say um heavy trip is more realistic than what people had in their heads you know what i'll i'll there's i tell you this movie's got a lot of artistic levels to it but i would add to that and say that it's a poser ish yeah or no but really it is it's just a bunch of 19 year old kids running around that found this kind of alternative thing to represent themselves as which but none of them know anything about satanism or anything so they're posers no matter how you put it yeah but moreover the true artist

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that started, and it was out of mental illness, that started the whole scene is dead. Dead was the real thing, dude. Yeah. Right. And I mean, it'd be a Satanist or not or whatever. I just mean, that guy had serious mental issues and he was obsessed with death. And the rest of those guys rode that out. He was sort of like, you know, the dude, there was that guy that was in the Beatles early on. And he, no, no, not, is that the drummer? Yeah, he was the guy who got pushed by. No, there was another dude. There was a guy they all looked up to, and he was like their Dylan figure.

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But he couldn't really play an instrument. And anyway, that was dead. And so really, it's this whole scene that's spiraling out of this kind of deep guy in a weird sort of way for all of his fucked up-ness. And I do think there's a lot. It looks below the surface. There's a very real human lives in this movie. And they don't come off as posery to me. That's not how I bought it. It was different than that. I don't know what people have to complain about because I felt that the accuracy of this movie was very good.

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It was very true to the book. Did he have a girlfriend, though? Yeah. I thought that was one of the big complaints. I thought Varg was saying something that he had no girlfriend at that time. I don't know. I'll say this. If that's true, they made a point never to have Varg and the girlfriend in the same place at the same time. So it might be implying that he had a girlfriend Varg didn't know about. Wait, I don't remember Varg having a girlfriend. No, no, no, Euronymous. Oh, Euronymous. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, the Lords of Chaos book,

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itself is probably apocryphal.

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Oh, sure.

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So, you know.

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Oh, absolutely.

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But if you're comparing the book to the movie, the movie is very much like the book.

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And there were so many little details that somebody that's just watching it and doesn't know anything about black metal wouldn't pick up on.

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Like, the room where Dead killed himself was spot on reconstructed.

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I mean, down to the wood panel on the wall, the color of the sheets.

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I pulled up the Dawn of the Blackhearts album cover, which is, of course, dead with his head blown off, and compared it side by side with the movie. And I was like, wow, even the sheets are the same color. And, you know, the whole thing about him burying his clothes out in the yard to make him dirty and breathing in the stench of death with the dead bird in the bag before going on stage. I remember that so vividly from back in the day. You know, all that stuff. But also I think it just seems so artistic to me, though, too.

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Like, okay, here's one of the really clever things they did in the movie, which was when he discovers dead, you know, he goes out and gets the camera, he takes the pictures and everything. And then he kind of keeps revisiting that thing in his mind. And the only time, the final time when he lets go at the end of the movie is when you discover that the last thing that happened when he was standing there in front of him was dead was he started crying. You know what I mean? Like, this movie was paced really well, man. And they did a lot of artful things like that. And then, of course, when they were driving,

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Kill Euronymous. On comes Host of Seraphim by Dead Can Dance, which is like this song that always shows up at the weirdest place in movies, dude. And it's this eerie song. I have to say, I think that our filmmaker was very artistically minded. Wasn't it the Bathory guy? I'll be watching it again. Yeah, but he also has done some other film stuff, I think. Yeah, he has, but it was the guy that was in Bathory. Yeah, he did from Bathory. Yeah. I can't recommend it highly enough. I thought it was funny that some of the music choices, like Fast as a Shark,

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I can the Dio stand up and shout. I'm like, it's a black metal. You know, it's a party with a bunch of black metal people and they're playing Dio. I was like, okay. Yeah, but that was before black metal. I mean, these are the guys that go back and read, you know, Tom, Tom Warriors, that death is, whatever the name is. Only Death is Real. And, you know, back then you, you found yourself a Motorhacker record, you got a UFO record, and then you got a Venom record all of a sudden, but you still had to listen to UFO. You only had one Venom record.

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I thought that festive shark as a shark thing was super authentic I thought that's exactly what they were probably listening to but George I mean you ask any of these Norwegian or Swedish bands they all like live at the altar of D.O. and that kind of late period deep purple yeah you know that's just it doesn't matter they just David Coverdale they all love that well it's funny because just not the scorpions right exactly Mark had a scorpions patch and Euronymous was like you suck because

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And then he pulls the patch off and puts it in the garbage. Well, even like that, too, because that was like the rough equivalent of a halal boys. They were all having falafel. And I just love that they were eating falafel. Like, here's these kids with all this makeup on. They stop off for a falafel after the show. But I don't know. There was something deeply authentic about it to me. Without the violence and murder, that's some version of what the best parts of my high school youth were like, where just, you know, standing around in the backyard and almost hurt

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yourselves by jumping over the wood pile or something like that. You know what I mean? And obviously we stopped short of burning churches. But I don't know. I thought it was something special actually quite honestly. I thought the uranium escape plate was great. So my few two cents and I don't know. You guys may have already said everything I'm about to say but my kids were coming in to say goodnight. But my first impression after so I bought it almost right away. Like I actually bought it. I didn't rent it. I bought it I think the day it was available on Amazon.

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Yeah, I bought it out. Yeah. And then

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after watching the whole thing, and

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everyone knows I'm not the biggest black metal fan, so a lot of this stuff is new to me.

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But you're growing.

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A grower, not a grower.

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And

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so my takeaway from the movie

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is, if I had to explain this, I'd probably explain it to you guys.

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It's a teenage angst, softcore

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porn slasher movie

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set to black metal.

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But with a heart. Yeah, yeah. But generally, it is a teenage angst movie. There's a lot of sex in it, and it is definitely almost like a slasher horror movie in some aspect. I loved all the movie clips that they were playing of people just getting destroyed. Yeah. I don't think they showed a movie I haven't seen. Nice. I liked it a lot. I mean, the thing is, I'm not steeped into the black metal history and everything like that.

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But I thought it was a good, I thought it was a well done movie. I liked it a lot. I learned a lot. I actually kind of want to go back and listen to or not listen to but read the book just to see what it was about. And I have the the decibel black metal book. And now I'm more interested in reading that black metal book because there's more than just this in there. There's like a bunch of South American stuff. And yeah, yeah. Well, oh, what's what's when you're talking about?

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You mean the book? Yeah. The Decibel Black Metal book. Well, that one's good too. What's his name? But The Lords of Chaos is really almost like a journalistic, not expose, that's the wrong word for it. It's really not about the music. It's written by somebody who didn't understand the music. Yeah, it's a true crime book, right? It's a true crime book. Totally. The one thing I would say is like many books, like many movies that I watch that are based on

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I feel like it goes by so fast like you know they touched on a lot of things and it just went very fast but I would have to agree it was very well done well so I'm gonna add just a couple more thoughts about it because it really did have an effect on me so I also liked like this scene when he was talking when Crane magazine called him and he was like and I this was just this was such a good statement about how they interacted with the world and the Crane guy says like he's just releasing our first full length and Crane guy's like what's it called and he says it's de mysterious dumb satanous

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And then you just hear this pause and he goes, D-E-M. He's going to spell it for him. And he says it in this real deep, evil voice. And then he's just like, oh, yeah, no, I'll spell it for you. And then I would also point out that I think it's probably the best movie about heavy metal that I can think of. And lastly, you all might like to know that the guy who played Varg was Jewish. And I think that was a specific fuck you to Varg. Isn't the guy who played Jewish Val Kilmer's son? Is he? Is he?

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Oh, that was dead, wasn't it? No. Yes. Because I thought the same. I thought Varg looked more like a young Val Kilmer than dead man. Is it maybe because Val Kilmer's fat now or something? You know, how come Nicolas Cage's son get involved in this? You guys know he's the big black metal guy, right? Is he? Yeah. Yeah, look for a picture of Nicolas Cage and his son. Yeah, yeah. It's like Nicolas Cage standing there being Nicolas Cage next to, you know, this kid with corpse paint on his toe.

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I have to say I think my favorite scene in the movie is when there be so he's got the big Nazi flag behind him and he's got like I think he's got pictures of Stalin or something and he's being interviewed by a newspaper and so he's like trying to act all cool he's got the candles lit he's got so he's holding a sword and he's like so so you are

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A Satanist, communist, socialist, communist, Nazi, Nazi, and he's kind of like, uh... Well, no, so he says, so how do all those go together? And he's like, and he's just stumped. He doesn't know. He realizes, I don't know anything about any of this stuff. But also, you know, there was another one... Anything offensive I can find, I'm going to throw it all together and, like, spit it out. That made Farg look like a dildo, but I also think, and he probably was and is, but I also think that you could probably count,

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on the parts there, because I'm sure they interviewed the journalist. But I also loved how he tricked him into, he was like, well, don't take any pictures, and this is all going to be anonymous and stuff like that. And he says, there's a group called the Black Circle. And he's going to represent them. I know them. Yeah, and immediately he goes, how many people are in it? He goes, well, there's six of us. And two seconds later, he's like, whoops. But even with that, I don't think any of it was, I don't buy that. If those cult guys thought there was something deeper going on here,

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then they were wrong but then secondarily that it's it is deep in a way that

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apparently they're not able to access you know and i mean that like there is there was an artistic

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bent to this to that expression that these guys chose to do there's no question about it and

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i don't know i guess you can't pick your fans yeah not and they did a lot of dumb shit there's no

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question about that yeah i will say one thing about the film that i'm disappointed about so you saw it

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They couldn't get two actors from Norway. Yeah, you know, one is Macaulay Culkin's brother or something. I mean, it does get distracting. Well, yeah, because the American, I mean, if they had tried to do kind of a Scandinavian accent in English, I'd be fine with it. But if they went, they went straight American English. And it just reminded me like Robin Hood with Kevin Costner. Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

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It also reminded me of a there's another movie, uh, Stalingrad with, uh, yes, where they don't even try to do accents. You sort of like, yeah, is that, is that the one with Jude Law? Yes. Jude Law is fine because you know, that kind of English accent is a little more applicable to European films. I just thought that, I just thought that they should have at least made that little bit of effort. I could care less that they're American actors. I just sort of, whenever I see this, I pretend that I'm a

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I'm watching something like Hitchhiker's Guide and I've got a babblefish in my ear and they're speaking their language and I'm just hearing English. So one thing that I noticed about the movie and I don't know if anybody else did but there's the scene when they're in the studio all together working on Day Mysteries which reminds me there's two things and there's somebody there's singing and he's playing Attila.

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And did you know that that's Attila's son? I did read that. Oh, that's cool, dude. Yeah, I was like, because I was on IMDB looking it up, and it was like, Attila played by, you know, I don't know how to say his freaking last name. Yeah, and it was played by Arion, same last name, and I was like, it's gotta be his son, and I looked it up, and it was. His name is Arion? A-R-I-O-N. I would just recommend it again to people. I think it's one

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of the best mixed media metal things to come out in a long time. And, you know, one of the best, honestly, biography music pictures I've ever seen. Really, because I think those usually suck. I would also point out, George has this book. Well, this is, I met Necrobutcher and he signed, he did a signing here and I bought, this is a very cool and very good book. It's along the lines of the death is, only death is real. And I would also point out that they recreated a lot of photos in this book. They do, they do some of the early photo shoots in the movie and they really,

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did those photos exactly as they appear in this book. Is Necro Butcher the bassist? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway. Didn't Varg play bass or something? Yeah, he replaced him. Yeah. So he wasn't really there for the show, you know. But yeah. Anyway, I'm really glad we talked about it because I have to say it just had a pretty big effect on me. Yeah. And it was so visceral. It was hard to watch at times. Yeah, it was. My wife lasted about five minutes. Yeah, I remember you said that. I didn't even try. Yeah, I thought about.

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I was like, I wonder if Barb would watch this. And I was like, man, probably not. If nothing else, I've hopefully inspired you to see it soon, Trevor, because I really think it's obviously right up your alley, dude. You'll really check it out. Yeah, maybe I'll watch it on my flight to New York. That would be really good for whoever sits next to me. Excuse me. Are there any empty seats? Yeah. Excuse me, sir. This guy's watching a snuff film next to me. Yeah, exactly.

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about it is it reminded me there's a there's a part in there where Varg wants

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Euronymous to go with him to Trondheim to blow up a cathedral and it's the cathedral that's on the front of Day Mysteries

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and for the longest time for like eight years I did not know that I had seen this cathedral because I've been to Trondheim

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And I was taken to see this cathedral. And I was like, oh, that's a pretty impressive cathedral. But I had no idea when I was there that that was. Can I just point out, George, you almost didn't see it. But anyway, here is an example. They do this exact photo in the movie. And it doesn't come off as cheap or anything. They really. So is that the original photo? That's the original photo. And then if you watch it in the credits, they mix original photos in with some new photos. And it's so cleverly done.

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It takes you minutes to realize which is which. Yeah. Not cheaply done. I felt like they handled it with respect, if that's the right word for it. That's cool. All right. So let's veer back into the news. The rest of which, or almost all of the rest of which, is album announcements. So Devin Townsend released a video for Evermore from his upcoming Empath album, which is out on March 29th.

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which is a week away. Oh my god, I can't tell you how excited I am. It's funny because I've been a Devon fan since Heavy is a Really Heavy Thing came out, but I lost interest over the last few and oh my god, these two tracks that they've released from Empath are like, holy shit. It's like I have chills from the minute it starts until it ends. Yeah, it's pretty cool. And it's not just the Cats in Space. It's everything. Oh, I got my Cats in Space shirt coming.

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I can't wait it's it's can been kind of bumming me out that it's a week away and we haven't gotten a promo I mean I know he's self-releasing it I think so that could be why but he also gets some promotion at least from inside out who we do get promos from so I'm like where's our promo come on now but at this point it's a week away who cares so so Trevor just a quick question you talk about you having some music sitting there waiting to be

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How much music do you think this guy's got sitting around? It's got to be like just volumes because he can't stop writing. He can't. It is absolutely insane. And the thing I think that blows my mind about it, and it's funny, I know I keep bringing back, this is like the Ginger show, the guy from the Wild Hearts. Same thing. He puts out probably two or three albums a year, but they're all good. And I guess it's like, yeah, that's what kind of blows my mind. Even though I lost touch with some of Devin's stuff for a while,

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Like Sky Blue didn't do much for me. It's like it's consistently high quality and that is just mind-boggling to me. Devin Townsend's gonna die and we're not gonna know because they're just gonna keep putting out albums. He's gonna do like Tupac. There's gonna be like 15 Machiavelli records that come out and just endlessly and people are gonna think he's still alive. Take it back to what Jay was saying about Hendrix. He's gonna make Hendrix look bad for all those released albums that have come out the last like 20 years. I do think Hendrix has more posthumous albums than he does

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Well, that's not including all the live albums that have come out.

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Yeah.

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You know, all the the what?

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Jam Session Studio stuff they have when he was in New York.

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So it's probably it's probably twice as many.

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I bet he has twice as many.

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Easily, easily.

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I will say I wonder and I'm not saying I'm on the level of Devin Townsend, so don't get the wrong impression here.

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But I would like to know if I were independently wealthy in some way or at least able to not work and do like Devin and just write music all the time.

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I feel like I could put out albums like constantly yeah and they would not be that good

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there would be a lot of volume over quality well exactly so next is one that I know Jay is just itching to hear and that is the new possessed album the first one since 1986 and this is revelations of oblivion coming out on May 10th something has occurred to me about possessed recently and that is

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First That Arguably,

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Seven Churches' first death metal record.

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Arguably.

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Arguably,

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Arguably Beyond the Gates is the first progressive death metal album,

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if you ever go and listen to that record.

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I heard the advanced track.

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It's cool.

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They did,

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they kind of slayerized it a little bit,

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and that they took the EQ off his voice,

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which is,

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was kind of important to the kind of doomy,

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weird,

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kind of scary sound of those early records.

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But he's got such a distinctive voice.

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Track is cool.

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I'm excited.

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I'm excited about definitely is Bacera the only original the only original member that's on the new record or yeah yeah okay you know um I'm sure you'll all remember Larry Lalonde is one of the so but here's an interesting thing um I sent you guys a trailer there's a movie coming out called uh murder in the front murder in the front row yeah and it's it's basically about the book but they went and interviewed all these guys and Larry Lalonde is in that he has held possessed at arm's length for his

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ever since he left.

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And so he's apparently going to be on there talking about the thrash scene.

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But yeah,

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Jeff is the only original member.

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Um,

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the rest of the guys were actually another band that just loved possess so much that they just offered their services and have since become possessed.

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I saw him not long ago.

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He still got the same creepy as fuck voice.

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He's got one of my favorite death metal voices.

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Uh,

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the lyrics were a little dated on the new track.

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I'll give you that.

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I'll say that.

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And he was actually a good lyricist back in the day.

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So,

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Has there been any interviews in the interim why he said, you know, why it's taken him 33 years to? Yeah, it's everything with what he went through in his life. I mean, he was walking down the street in San Francisco and a random person shot him and he's crippled ever since. And then, you know, they also kind of died at kind of horrible,

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you know they just sort of fell apart kind of thing and lost interest or something so i don't know

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some combination is it is one of those things that time has i mean i know when when seven churches came

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out it was a big deal but has it become more of a big deal kind of like there's so many like fans that

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are like retroactively getting back together i mean you got exhorter coming to decimal metal beer fest like

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but these guys i think are more important than that and i think no no that's what i'm saying like

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So is it sort of like, hey, all these other bands are coming back together, so why not us? Or why not me? I think so, and I bet people were reaching out to them. I think, I'm sure labels reached out to them. I'm sure people who were writing retrospectives and stuff reached out to them. And I think there's a point with guys like that where they're like, wow, people are kind of getting into what we did, you know? That's probably got something to do with it. I mean, like, look at, if Venom disappeared after black metal, people would be clamoring for them to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get

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the face to the earth and suddenly they're back, you know, granted with no other original members. Venom sure got a lot of coverage in the movie, by the way. There was Venom shirts and banners everywhere in that movie. Hey, they were the root of that thing almost more than anybody else, man. I do want to point out to the listening audience that you didn't see the visual when I mentioned X-Horder and George gave a big thumbs down. So if you're listening at this point, even though it may be a week later, give George the middle finger, please.

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Oh, you're a fan, are you? Yeah. Love Ex-Hoarder. I'm still a hoarder, so I'm not an ex-Hoarder. Oh, yeah. I'd like to think you're an Ashton hoarder. I very much am. I thought that would be a great name for your followers, would be Hoarders. Ashton hoarders, yeah. I think on the A&E show, too. That'd be sweet. If we can, honestly, if I can somehow have some fan that's obsessed with the band and is

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also a hoarder and can be on that show. I think that would be the best press we could ever get. I will get that hashtag set up tonight on Instagram. I will gram that shit. And don't throw anything out for the next 10 years. The cameras get to the house and it's just a house full of Ashen Horde vinyl and merch. All copies of the same record. As long as they pay for it, they can fucking have it. I would give my summary on the Possessed album. I like his voice.

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so much of just looking forward to hearing eight or ten songs with him singing on him. I love his voice. Or maybe skip tracks one and three. Or if you will, tracks seven, eight, nine, and ten. I was like, it was pretty good at the beginning, but then I kind of lost interest. Dope Smoker is my favorite EP. So, Gall, former Gorgorath and Godseed singer,

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a new project, Gaul's Weird, releasing their first album that I'm going to mispronounce. I'm going to say Ghastir slash or Dash rather, Ghosts, Ghost Invited on May 31st. And definitely looking forward to that. I like what he does. Those two advanced tracks are cool. He's stepping into some new territory here a little bit and that it's a little more clearly produced than some of the stuff he's done in the past. There's a slightly, there's a little bit more

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He's done some in the past.

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He's done Vardora.

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Yeah, but I mean, well, let's put it through.

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Maybe it's the most progressive thing to me that he's done.

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I also just like him.

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I know a lot of people think he's kind of a joke.

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I kind of think he's cool.

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He's my favorite interview on The Headbanger, Shirley.

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Necro Butcher being a close second.

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Have you watched...

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Who said that?

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Oh, Matt.

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Oh, sorry.

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Yeah, no.

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Okay, a little Matt joke there.

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You know, did you, there's a pretty good, there's a pretty good documentary on YouTube you can watch, and I think it's called True Norwegian Black Metal, and it's some guys from some bullshit, you know, it's not Maxim, but it's something like that, some nonsensical thing, and they go out and they go to Gall's house, and he lives out in a really small town. One of the stories that Gall has, and I think it's a true story, was he grew up in such a small town, that he went to a one-room school, and there was a

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only one other student at the school.

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And like the eighth grade, the other kid killed himself.

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How fucked up is that?

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To come into school that day.

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And they're like, yeah.

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It's just you now.

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And anyway, and then he walks them up this weird hill in the middle of winter to his parents' old shack, his grandparents.

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It's worth watching.

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I think it's called True Norwegian Black Metal Documentary.

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Is he going to cover Nolenkamp's Small Town on this record?

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Yeah.

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I would buy it.

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Small Town.

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Anyway, it's not on the script. I just added it today because also out on May 31st is the new Dark Throne album, Old Star. No idea what this is going to sound like based on previous records, but I'm looking forward to it regardless. Me too. He made a statement about it that made it seem... It might be like the...

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Not the previous one, but the one before that? Before that, yeah. That was the impression I got. I can't remember the name of for some reason. They have so many erics, I can't keep track of either. Arctic Thunder was last. Yeah, and then the one before that was... I can picture the album cover, but... Is that Underground Resistance? No, no. No, that was the... I think that was the last one. I remember like... Oh, no, no, no. There was one after Underground Resistance. Yeah. Dark Thrones and Black Flags, or what else came out? No, no. Fuck, there's so many. It was... Fuck off.

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Yeah, that's right. No, it wasn't. It was. Oh, shit. It was the Underground Resistance. Oh, my first guess and you guys told me no. It didn't sound right to me. But yeah. It's got no cross left unturned. Yeah, yeah. But there's a it's a that's a vastly different style for them on that album. And it was good. I have to say as someone who just added clean vocals to my album, though, I really hope there aren't any clean vocals because I fucking hate

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Okay, here's what he said about it. Okay, people, soon comes a new servant of Dark Throne, so get ready for the arrival of the old star. It's like the 80s never left. Right. Yeah, we are back with riffs and more metal than ever, so the 80s comment kind of pricked my ears up a little bit just to see. What does that mean? What does that mean? Yeah. All right, so we've got two more items. One more album announcement. Abbath is going to release his second album,

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Outstrider on July 5th in the heart of summer, as I like to say. And there was a song, wasn't there? Yeah, there was a good one. Yeah, yeah. And it sounded good. Yeah, it sounded good. So, all right, Jay, you've got an item. Oh, yeah. I actually kind of wanted to see if Trevor heard anything about this or any of you, but this, what does it call it again, George?

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Pledge Music.

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Which is a pretty common thing now. So you'll often run into Pledge Music

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if you see an announcement of a pre-order

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on an album and

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they've had some high profile people.

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The Celtic Frost came through Pledge Music.

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I think some Running Wild maybe.

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And the other notable one in my head is

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Bruce Dickinson's.

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So that went out. All that solo stuff came out. That was done through Pledge Music.

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And I think the vinyl versions. Anyway, so this company is kind of out there and well-known and everything, but they're like going bankrupt. And I know this mostly because I pre-ordered the first Sog album, which has never been on vinyl before. And everyone saw they'll update their Facebook page, and then they showed the test pressing, and then they got a little box of them, but it wasn't all of them. And they were just like, here it is. This is what it looks like. And then they suddenly got this. I got this email, and I was like, sorry, we're totally getting fucked over by funding.

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So I went and looked it up and apparently this is like a real problem. There's like a bunch of artists that are not getting the money that they were promised. Bankruptcy is being kind of thrown around. So it's just kind of sad as I guess the only reason I'm bringing it up. And because it's one of those ways. They're not releasing the money to the bands now? Correct. Oh, that sucks. Yeah. Queensryche was the big one recently, weren't they? Oh, did they get caught up in this? They got caught up and they commented on it and how there's nothing there.

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There's no album.

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And so I'm wondering if this isn't some fucked up pyramid scheme where they were doing things with the money on some other side of the business or whatever they were doing.

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And then time came to send the check to some of these bands that the money was legitimately raised and they don't have to send to them.

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So the same people who did Fry Festival.

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Yeah, but I watched that on Matt's.

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Yeah, Matt. Matt told me to watch it.

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I did.

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Did you watch them both?

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I just watched.

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I'm not sure.

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I watched one on Netflix, but maybe they're both.

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Yeah, I watched one.

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Yeah, the Hulu one has the actual organizer guy. It was pretty fucked up, dude. So anyway, I think just kind of a sad story, and I hate to see bands getting ripped off like that, even if it was just from poor management or whatever it was. And also, I want my fucking SOG record, and I have no idea when I'm going to get it. I feel bad for SOG because they kind of put their necks on the line. They take a bunch of people's money by way of this other company, as did a bunch of other bands, and now they're not sending them any fucking money.

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We should start a Kickstarter to relieve the bans. I like where this is going. Kickstarter to support the Pledge Music. It's funny because they actually left a bad taste in my mouth with them when we did the Nine Plagues vinyl thing. I originally was going to go with them because I heard good things. Which one? And I reached out and set up an account and everything and they actually denied it. And they said something about Pledge Music is for people releasing new music, not re-releasing existing music. And so they wouldn't actually let me

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me do it which was fucking weird and i would also point out that i've never to the best of my

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knowledge i've never ordered anything anything from them that was not a fucking re-release

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right because they did um all those celtic frost records the bruce dickens those were all old records

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and they're like well we've never heard of ashen horde so we're not going to get enough money to steal from

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them yeah so i mean i guess my whole bringing this up was apropos of nothing except to say that it's

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it's out there and it's a thing going on and it's affecting a lot of bands and it's a shame that's a

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It's a shame. You know, these guys work hard to do this. They really wanted to put this cool product out to people. And in some senses have lost an investment of their own, I'm sure. It's just bullshit, man. It kind of taints the whole pool, you know? Doesn't it a little bit? Yeah. We're going to start something called Pledge Kicker. And we're going to fix this shit. Yeah. That's what I like to hear. George's taint. It's going to be at taint.com. Pledge money to George's taint. To be fair, it hardly touched my life, but we all care about the music scene. I thought you were going to say you touched my life.

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But second, second, I don't mind telling you, this was the only song record not on vinyl. It's one of my favorite records by them. And I was so excited when they announced it. And then I just hate to see it get caught up in this, like, dirty red tape detail bullshit, you know? Speaking of vinyl, hey, John, you're probably the only other one who may have pre-ordered the Ordos, the end vinyl. Did you get it yet? I did not pre-order the vinyl. But I did get the album, though. I pre-ordered it, and I haven't got it yet.

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I preordered the new Ashton Horde album, but I haven't gotten that yet. I did get an email, though. Wow, you did get an email, and now you're going to get another one that tells you when it will be ready. So there you go. Trevor, you must be multitasking because, like Jay, we had the promo for the new album, but I actually bought the album on Bandcamp as we were doing the interview, and you already sent me a thank you note. Oh, wow, that's magic. I know, it's crazy.

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He didn't really get booted off his computer. He had to go and write you an email. I was like, I have to write a thank you note now. My parents raised me to be very... Let me ask you this, Will. Did it start, dear madam or sir? I get regular emails that are like, I love it. I get it to the Ashton Horde address and it's like, we found your musical product on Bandcamp and would like to work with you. And it's like, oh, clearly you're a fan. Yeah.

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I thought it was weird when it says dear brew uh thank you for buying up

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you know it's brew metal will

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dear brew will yeah there's a lot of bullshit out there

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all right let's move on to new releases

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the first of which is ashen horde falling cathedrals

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We've already talked about it, but I just wanted to say it again. In case you forgot, go buy it. Please. It's cool. I think it's cool. It is. It is. It is cool. You know, not to say that I was not expecting more from you. That's not what I'm trying to say. But it was a surprise. I was like, oh, this is actually even better. Oh, wow. That means a lot. Thank you. I mean, we definitely put a lot of work into it, and I was happy with what came out of it.

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Well, you know, some bands like Motorhead or the Ramones or anything like that, you know, you know what you're getting every time. There's no shocks when the new album came out. They don't come out anymore. I'll be honest with you. I'd be shocked if a new Motorhead. Yeah, yeah. It's actually with Jimi Hendrix and... Yeah, Jimi on lead. And Tupac. And Tupac, yeah. It's a collab. But no, yeah, I was like, whoa, this is actually even better. So, kudos. And I don't pre-order

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And I pre-ordered that shit. And I was very happy. Sounds awesome. Thank you. Thank you all. A t-shirt will be next. A t-shirt will be next. Because I'm a hoarder. You pick up quickly. All right. Next up, we have, damned if I can pronounce his name, Hans. I call him Hans Grossman. It's Hannes. Hannes Grossman. Hannes Grossman. And Apophenia?

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This is his third solo album of Prog Death, but is it really a solo album when it's pretty much all alkaloid? It actually is the whole band. Plus Jeff Loomis and Marty Friedman. Hey, George, you will enjoy this. Do you know what gross means in German? Gross? He's a big man.

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Großer Bier. Mmm. Eine große Bier bitte. Okay. Ein Bas! You know, Trevor, you might want to contact Hannes because he seems to be playing with everybody right now in the world. I've noticed that. He is with everyone. Yeah, no, maybe I should tap into that. You'll go from whatever genre you think you are to tech death band in like literally two seconds. In two seconds. But then it'll just be another one of his

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Yeah.

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And you'll realize.

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Featuring me on all instruments.

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Well, you get Hannes on drums and Stevie on vocals, and they're just going to be like, well, you know, Trevor, we really don't need you in Ashen Horde anymore.

01:29:22.340 --> 01:29:22.980
Yeah, exactly.

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We're bringing in Alkaloid.

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I'll get replaced for my own band.

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That would actually, you know what?

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If it's something weird that's going to happen, that would be kind of cool.

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Well, it would be funny, though, if you were literally replaced by a whole unit of another band.

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They just took your name.

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How screwed up would that be?

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Wait a second.

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This is just donkaloid.

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That's what I felt like when I listened to this album, which is quite good.

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So you should check it out.

01:29:48.300 --> 01:29:48.800
Yeah, that was cool.

01:29:48.800 --> 01:29:49.280
I checked it out.

01:29:49.280 --> 01:29:49.580
It was cool.

01:29:49.660 --> 01:29:49.800
Yeah.

01:29:50.920 --> 01:29:54.100
Next up, we have the new Misery Index album, Rituals of Power.

01:29:54.700 --> 01:29:55.740
This is their sixth album.

01:29:56.020 --> 01:29:57.280
And they're actually even local.

01:29:57.440 --> 01:29:58.320
They're a Baltimore band.

01:29:59.220 --> 01:30:01.640
And yeah, this is the first one that I've really listened to.

01:30:02.600 --> 01:30:03.480
And I freaking love it.

01:30:04.120 --> 01:30:04.720
I'm a fan.

01:30:04.820 --> 01:30:04.900
Yeah.

01:30:05.380 --> 01:30:08.160
I actually kind of tuned into them.

01:30:10.100 --> 01:30:11.280
Was it last year, John?

01:30:11.680 --> 01:30:41.660
that we saw them at death fest yes i believe so i was like oh i think it was last year yeah and they were i was like oh they're actually kind of good i i see i always thought they were more of a metalcore kind of band that's exactly what i thought and apparently they're not if you're more dying fetuses i popped it out you know what reminded me was uh the grind bastard benediction record okay there's some elements in there i think with misery index it kind of like reminds you more of like not metalcore but

01:31:09.600 --> 01:31:11.260
It should be in our box.

01:31:11.680 --> 01:31:39.740
Yeah, I've been really into like... Did you order a shirt? Sorry. I was just asking if Matt ordered a Misery Index shirt. Oh, you know, I gotta get on that. On my linens. Order. Threads. Yeah, I've been listening to a lot of like Brutal Death and Grind lately, as I've mentioned, and so I've been going back and listening to a lot of stuff that I've just not picked up on that I should have. And this is one of them.

01:31:41.680 --> 01:32:11.640
Next up is the new Noisum album, Cease to Exist. This is their third album, another Baltimore band, Death Grind. They have a new vocalist. I think only one of the guys is actually original at this point. Well, there's the brothers. The two of them. Yeah, yeah. They were like a five-piece. And the new singer is like a Jeff Walker wannabe. Which is not a bad thing. I mean, I dig it. It's very carousel.

01:32:11.660 --> 01:32:41.580
Karkasi, as Matt would say. And I didn't actually check the time. I think it's like 20-something minutes. Wait, is this an album, an EP, or a single? It's an album. So wait, you're telling me that I have Yes songs that are longer than this album. Yes. And I don't know what to do about my list based on this, because I'm like, it's an album.

01:32:41.660 --> 01:33:11.540
Right? But it is weird because I put it on. I bought it on Bandcamp and I put it on at work and like, you know, you're engrossed in doing something. You're you're in Hannes Grossman doing something. And then next thing you know, it's like it's over. I'm like, what the fuck happened? And that's why I don't like EPs because I'm like, wait, I got to stop and put something else on now. Well, then you should absolutely hate this album. I know. And I am very conflicted now. I need to go to therapy. So what actually now I'm curious and I to be fair, we could look at this

01:33:11.680 --> 01:33:41.640
but I'm curious what defines an EP is it number of songs or length I think it's a length I would say length I would say length yeah but I think it's defined by length partially because of these these used to be seven it's sometimes seven inches how many sides of a record yeah well and or the size of that you could fit on that yeah exactly so I think that's really where the EP format sort of came out of was the limitations of the smaller vinyl sizes or

01:33:41.680 --> 01:33:42.720
a larger size than 45.

01:33:44.020 --> 01:33:47.960
Like, I really think that was, it was just like a quite literally a technical limitation at some point.

01:33:48.020 --> 01:33:51.460
I think, I think it's 25 minutes, but I'm looking, I'm seeing online right now.

01:33:51.600 --> 01:33:54.140
What's funny is that EP is called an extended play.

01:33:54.340 --> 01:33:56.080
It's like, it's not really.

01:33:56.640 --> 01:33:58.780
It's a, no, it's an extended play single.

01:33:59.040 --> 01:33:59.200
Yeah.

01:33:59.400 --> 01:33:59.560
Okay.

01:33:59.740 --> 01:33:59.880
Fair enough.

01:33:59.980 --> 01:34:00.140
Yeah.

01:34:00.280 --> 01:34:00.380
Yeah.

01:34:00.660 --> 01:34:07.280
That's what it's so weird because it's extended play, but it's seven inches, but no one's going to be satisfied by an extended play.

01:34:07.420 --> 01:34:08.500
That's seven inches.

01:34:08.640 --> 01:34:09.440
I mean, it's false advertising.

01:34:09.660 --> 01:34:09.960
Come on.

01:34:10.680 --> 01:34:11.080
All you got to do.

01:34:11.260 --> 01:34:41.240
Yeah, but you can always convince somebody. All of the rulers in my house say seven inches were three inches. I've worked around and changed them up. No, that's seven inches. This measurement shaming brought to you by Beefstick the Muddy. By underwateraudio.com. But I mean, in the digital age, could somebody really dictate whether or not it's an EP or they're an LP? Not to drop the dictation. No, no, to be sure. It is quite enjoyable to me when we...

01:34:41.280 --> 01:35:10.700
So the listening audience cannot tell how uncomfortable Trevor is right now. Nah, man, it's all good. I know one listener is not enjoying this right now, or won't enjoy this. So next up, we have the Sacred Monster album, Worship the Weird. This is a first album from a Chicago Doom band. I just kind of came across them on Bandcamp. Is this the King Diamond guy?

01:35:11.260 --> 01:35:40.260
Yeah, it's funny that you went straight to King Diamond because the first several songs are all Jeff Walker carcass. It's doomy, but the vocals are so Jeff Walker. And then... Yeah, it was kind of weird. I checked it out. I'd not heard of it, but the vocals threw me. And I like harsh vocals. I don't know. I thought it was kind of a weird mix. And then a couple songs in, he goes all high King Diamond. And it's like, what? Because it's so stark and so different. Yeah.

01:35:45.780 --> 01:35:46.880
And King Diamond.

01:35:47.020 --> 01:35:47.720
And King Diamond.

01:35:48.700 --> 01:35:48.800
Yeah.

01:35:50.480 --> 01:35:53.580
It's a sacred monster.

01:35:54.040 --> 01:35:54.140
Yeah.

01:35:54.460 --> 01:35:56.220
And you worship the weird.

01:35:56.300 --> 01:35:56.400
Yeah.

01:35:57.520 --> 01:35:58.980
It's weird is what you're saying.

01:35:59.100 --> 01:35:59.220
Yeah.

01:35:59.380 --> 01:35:59.460
Yeah.

01:35:59.720 --> 01:36:00.360
It's weird.

01:36:00.700 --> 01:36:01.680
But that's a really cool riff.

01:36:02.080 --> 01:36:02.200
Yeah.

01:36:02.260 --> 01:36:02.800
Really cool riff.

01:36:02.880 --> 01:36:03.120
Yeah.

01:36:03.120 --> 01:36:03.480
I liked it.

01:36:03.560 --> 01:36:08.140
The production could have been a little better, but I dug it.

01:36:08.380 --> 01:36:08.460
So.

01:36:09.440 --> 01:36:38.040
I feel like Georgie said there was something for everyone on this. Yeah, kind of. Yeah, I would agree. And our last new release is one that I put on here to make six. But it was one that I another one I found on Bandcamp called Starcaller. And the album is Perdition. It's their first album. They're a black death band from the black metal hotbed of Mobile, Alabama. Damn. And I thought it was pretty good. So.

01:36:39.440 --> 01:37:09.260
Go on Bandcamp, check it out. Did anybody else listen to that? Is that a new thing now? Yeah, I did. I like that one, too. It's good atmospheric black metal. Yeah. I didn't think anybody would listen to it. So thank you. I did. Hey, I mean, I did my research and I listened this time. Plus, I was very curious. I was curious about black metal from Mobile. Yeah. I was like kind of hoping there'd be an element of where they're from, but I didn't really hear anything. Right now. All the riffs go. Yeah, exactly. That's a Panopticon album. Birdie Mav. Yeah, I would think.

01:37:09.440 --> 01:37:37.560
It could be more like Bayou metal or something. Bayou core. I was just going to say squeal for me. It's called pretty mouth core. Hey Matt, just to shorten it, bi core. Bifurcated. Who is that little guy up in the corner? So misunderstood.

01:37:39.440 --> 01:37:42.660
Okay, so we're gonna do our top five now.

01:38:07.100 --> 01:38:36.280
And I asked Trevor for some ideas for that and he gave me a list and the guys chose this one. And that is our top five genre defining albums. Now, after telling everyone that this is what we were going to do, John had a question for me and I was thinking the same thing. How are we going to lay this out? And personally, I, myself, and John both said, well, each one of my five is going to be a different genre.

01:38:36.860 --> 01:39:05.120
But it doesn't have to be. You could be all five, one genre, and these are all albums that you think really define that genre. So I don't know what everybody else did, but that's what I did. Each of my five is a different genre. Well, I'll tell you this much, George. After I asked you that, I did the complete opposite. All right. So because this became way harder than I thought it was. I even have honorable mentions with even more genres. Yeah, this was hard, yeah.

01:39:05.180 --> 01:39:33.820
Yeah. I came up with four really fast. And then the fifth one, I didn't know what to do. So I wanted to do all different genres, but I did something different. So I will get to it. All right. So I don't, like I said, I don't know what everybody else did, but we could have some interesting lists or, you know, different interpretations. But so, so if you're doing different genres, you don't really have a number one or number two. Well, I do. That, that was, that was what made me think about it was like, well,

01:39:34.720 --> 01:40:04.200
If each of these is a different genre, and each one is what I... It's not necessarily what I consider the number one of the genre, but it certainly... Right. Yeah. Either... Like a big corner piece to that genre. Yeah, or something that definitely kicked off that style. Sure. But then I was like... It's sort of like an Excel filter. It's like, filter on this, and then this. And then this, yeah.

01:40:04.700 --> 01:40:33.360
So as everyone gets to their number five, whatever that may be, explain how you did your list. So what I did was I picked five genres and the albums that I thought defined them and then five through one being which one I liked best. Are you going first, George? I am not. I'm just explaining that before we start. All right.

01:40:34.460 --> 01:40:37.340
I'm just following Will's lead there.

01:40:39.460 --> 01:40:44.080
Okay, so as we usually do, Trevor, will you start us off with your number five?

01:40:45.160 --> 01:41:02.320
You bet. And so my thinking was kind of along the lines of yours. I did five different genres. I basically thought of five metal genres that are very important to me or influential. And then the album that mostly the album that got me into that genre.

01:41:02.380 --> 01:41:32.200
And that if someone were to say, what would you say kind of sums up the genre, what album would you pick? So that is my thinking. So my first would be kind of classic death metal. And I picked Cannibal Corpse's Vile because that is the record that got me into death metal in 96. Hell yeah. That's a good choice. And oh, sorry, one little comment on it. Why I picked it over the bleeding because I really fought back and forth. I think Vile is better because it has Corpse Grinder. It has Corpse Grinder. Hands down. And I love,

01:41:32.420 --> 01:42:02.360
Barnes vocals and I think the actual some of the songs I'm bleeding are better but Corpse Garner is a better vocalist yes he is I love you man so do I I would say my rationale is very similar to Trevor with the exception of that I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about so I did choose five genres that I really like and I chose I mean some of these I guess you would say are my favorite album of that genre or what you know

01:42:02.380 --> 01:42:31.360
got me into that genre, but at the same time, I tried to take a global perspective, which again, I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. My number five is Napalm Death in the album of Scum. Oh, that's a good one. Great choice, yep. The first kind of true grindcore. The structure of grindcore really differentiates it from a lot of other genres versus, I don't know, basically what I'm trying to say is the songs are so fucking short. And I'll have to say, is it an EP or an update?

01:42:35.540 --> 01:43:02.160
I originally sent Georgia message and said, you know, how are you doing this? And I, we both had said we were going to do it by genre. And then I realized five minutes later that I did something completely different when I came up with mine and it ended up being albums. I thought that we're really not just genre defined, but defining the metal itself. I have two that are genre based, but the other three are just what to me, if you had to give someone an album,

01:43:02.360 --> 01:43:32.320
and said, you know, this is metal. This is what you should listen to. That's what I ended up doing. So all my albums are going to end up being kind of old. But that's OK, because I still think they're all pretty good. So my first one, believe it or not, is celebrating a birthday today. It's 37. We mentioned this earlier. But to me, this album is the one that pretty much catapulted Iron Maiden to massive status. They got big on MTV with their their videos, which at a time,

01:43:32.920 --> 01:44:02.320
That's the way the world was. You had to watch videos to see who this band was if you weren't hearing them on the radio. But what it did is it just spurred on a whole mass amount of bands that followed them and wanted to do twin guitars, you know, and wanted to be them. And so Number of the Beast was mine. People may not think it's their best album. I do, personally, but it's the one to me that kind of created this whole new genre of not just new wave of heavy metal, but kind of a modern heavy metal at that point. You know, that wasn't a blues-based album.

01:44:02.380 --> 01:44:32.340
Right. So. Cool. I can get behind that. Will. So I, like Trevor and like the dad of Northern Darkness, I decided to pick five different genres and define the album that I thought was the first one to sort of really identify in that genre. So my first genre that I'm going to talk about, my number five. So these are sort of ranked

01:44:32.380 --> 01:44:52.980
in order in as far as i think in importance so my number well that's not really true but um anyway my number five is judas priest it's judas priest sad wings of destiny and i think that is nice i think that is the first one of the first like just traditional heavy metal albums

01:44:57.380 --> 01:45:23.200
So I think we my thinking is some mixture of all of your thinking up to and including my number one is going to be very focused on just heavy metal as a genre but everything else I did subgenres and then also sort of I think not unlike Will some of where a genre kind of really started to define itself in some cases and in some cases not necessarily they've been around for a while but in any case

01:45:23.220 --> 01:45:52.540
These are all definitely genre-defining records that you can give to people and say if you want to know. So in my getting to know Extreme Metal, which I was definitely like an early adapter, I was one of those guys when the extreme stuff started to come out, I got into it. And I remember Slayer and Metallica, which was sort of extreme in the beginning, Possessed, Venom and all that stuff. But the guys, the one that I got that took it to the next level and to me was the birth of true, and I don't use that word in the real sense, black metal.

01:45:53.660 --> 01:46:23.200
is a record I don't think I ever mentioned on here but it was super important it's in my childhood and it's Bathory's The Return nice if you want to know about black metal put that record on and you'll understand that genre pretty quickly what it's about and it's a great record yep I remember thinking like when I got black metal you know I grew up in like a Lutheran family and I was like these guys are going too far when I got Bathory you know what I mean and then when I got Bathory I was like it's funny you say that because I think I mentioned before like I grew up in a

01:46:23.240 --> 01:46:53.020
I grew up Catholic and Slayer South of Heaven was like, whoa, I can't go there. Like I was all in the Metallica anthrax. My death was like Slayer scared me. Me too. I don't know. I got random blood. I was like, is it okay to listen to that? I mean, I wasn't religious at all. Right. But I just felt a little like dirty listening to that album. I was like, this is a little evil. Exactly. Yeah. Well, the Venom records too on the back said, you know, we spit at the Virgin you worship instead of Lord Satan's left hand and all that stuff. And now I just remember like,

01:46:54.020 --> 01:47:22.840
But, you know, Venom was like, yeah, you know, this is, you knew that this was kind of just made up, but Slayer, you were like, man, these guys believe it, even though you know they don't. But back then it felt like they did. But Venom also still had one foot in Motorhead, too. And then, you know, and that's why I see Bathory and Slayer and all those guys as the next step. I mean, my mom got pissed off about Cherry Pie. And I was like, these guys are singing about the devil and killing people, and you're right about Cherry Pie?

01:47:23.220 --> 01:47:53.200
You know what? You have a great mom. She should have got pissed off at you. Remember they had that track called Ode to Tipper Gore at the end of that record? At the time, as a kid, I remember there was that. There was like Starting Up a Posse by Anthrax and She Loves My Cock by Jackal. There were the songs that were just like, oh my god, I can't believe people are saying things. Now you look back and you're like, wow. I remember when Appetite for Destruction came out and I was like, look at all those F-bombs. There weren't F-bombs in

01:47:53.260 --> 01:47:59.080
music before our appetite for destruction. They really kind of kicked that door down and brought that in.

01:48:00.060 --> 01:48:23.140
Just along the lines of Matt's story, I was at a friend's house one time and I got Screaming for Vengeance on vinyl. It was the year it came out. We went home and put it on. And the last track is Devil's Child on there. And the lyric is, I believe you're the devil. I believe you're the devil's child. And we came out of his room and his mom freaked out. She said, I heard what he was talking there. I believe in the devil. I believe in the devil's child. And she was just like, so I was like, no, no, no, no, that's not what he's saying at all.

01:48:24.880 --> 01:48:26.280
I had to talk her out of it.

01:48:26.490 --> 01:48:27.400
That would have been my mom.

01:48:27.710 --> 01:48:31.600
So Jay, you got a lesson in secret password at an early age.

01:48:31.820 --> 01:48:32.000
Yeah.

01:48:32.940 --> 01:48:37.660
I had a friend, his mom was Jehovah's Witness, and she would not let him listen to anything.

01:48:38.590 --> 01:48:47.600
And she had all these Bible cassettes, and he would steal these and give them to me, and I would dub metal albums over top of them.

01:48:48.280 --> 01:48:50.140
And so he would be like, look, I'm listening to this.

01:48:50.190 --> 01:48:50.980
And she'd be like, okay.

01:48:51.640 --> 01:49:19.820
And then he's, you know, really listening to, you know, ACDC or something. That's awesome. All right. So my number five, uh, is, is the grindcore genre. And I considered going the Matt route with Napalm, Death and Scum, but, uh, I like this band a little bit better and they came out within a year of that. And that would be Carcass, Reek of Putrefaction.

01:49:20.860 --> 01:49:50.740
Yeah. A lot of people, I think, would agree with that. I think it's a better album. Yeah. If not the first, but at least. Still. Yeah. All right. Back to Trevor for number four. Back to me. For four, I went very different from my. What is that noise? That's the noise I was talking about. Yeah. Just then. Was it maybe my dog shaking? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's his dog tag. Okay. Really? It sounds like somebody's shaking up like a. A marker.

01:49:50.860 --> 01:50:16.340
A can or like a marker or a paint. I've been doing whippets the whole time. I like to go like real old school. I didn't mean to cut you off. We were talking about on break and we're like, what is that noise? Is that? Yeah. Sorry. That was my shake weight. I'm mentally, my very metal dog. Okay. Sorry, Trevor. Number four.

01:50:20.860 --> 01:50:47.280
As he always does. You know it's a good episode when Will can't stop laughing. He just mutes his mic and goes off in his little place. I'm happy to. I'm just enjoying watching him break down. It's a nice feeling. I agree. I should record it. We need to talk. We need to give the audio interpretation of what he's doing so the listeners understand.

01:50:50.880 --> 01:51:20.460
Have you ever seen the South Park episode about the Shake Weight? The creme fraiche? Yes. The first thing I think of is such a brilliant episode. I am tired. I will call a taxi now. All right. Okay. Number four. Number four, I went Power Metal because I like Power Metal. Wow, I didn't even go there. Sorry. Yeah.

01:51:20.860 --> 01:51:50.840
Yeah, my pick was Stradivarius's Visions record, which I think is pretty much one of the best power metal records ever made. Right on. And I know it's like it came later, like Keeper of the Seven Keys and stuff people tend to go to, and I think those are fantastic too, but I think Visions really summed up like the hyperspeed neoclassical 90s power metal thing. That works. And I wondered if something would cover that little world, that genre. There you go. That's cool. I'm disappointed that I didn't, because I have some good ones for

01:51:50.880 --> 01:52:20.840
that. Yeah, exactly. They could have fun with that one. Yeah, I would have went straight to Halloween, personally. I struggled with it. But that was just my introduction. Did you say Keeper? Is that what you said? No. Or just Halloween in general? For me, it would be Keeper Part 2, but Halloween in general, yeah. Keeper Part 2 was the one. That was actually my first. It was Jordan from Weaponizer who played that for me, and I was like, oh, wow, this is amazing. I mean, my favorite is Jericho, but the Keepers are definitely

01:52:20.860 --> 01:52:22.440
more power metal.

01:52:23.500 --> 01:52:23.540
Yeah.

01:52:24.280 --> 01:52:24.480
Wow.

01:52:24.680 --> 01:52:26.900
And I would have went with blind guardian as my power pants.

01:52:27.060 --> 01:52:27.180
Well,

01:52:27.210 --> 01:52:28.060
I was thinking that too.

01:52:28.140 --> 01:52:28.960
That was the first thing.

01:52:30.120 --> 01:52:30.220
Well,

01:52:30.600 --> 01:52:31.480
you're going to have to pick up record,

01:52:31.900 --> 01:52:32.820
but since you're going to go there,

01:52:32.880 --> 01:52:33.880
you might as well tell us the record.

01:52:34.380 --> 01:52:34.440
Oh,

01:52:34.520 --> 01:52:36.280
I would have went with imaginations probably for sure.

01:52:36.360 --> 01:52:36.540
Yeah.

01:52:37.120 --> 01:52:37.400
Yeah.

01:52:37.400 --> 01:52:37.520
Yeah.

01:52:38.740 --> 01:52:40.240
But I didn't do power metal.

01:52:40.500 --> 01:52:40.540
So,

01:52:40.880 --> 01:52:41.340
but I'll tell you what,

01:52:41.400 --> 01:52:42.260
that could be an honorable mention.

01:52:42.440 --> 01:52:42.700
How's that?

01:52:42.800 --> 01:52:42.920
Yes.

01:52:43.280 --> 01:52:43.560
Yeah.

01:52:43.560 --> 01:52:44.020
Yeah.

01:52:44.190 --> 01:52:44.540
Well played.

01:52:45.040 --> 01:52:45.580
I got three.

01:52:45.920 --> 01:52:46.120
All right,

01:52:46.260 --> 01:52:46.460
Matt.

01:52:48.760 --> 01:52:49.320
Number four,

01:52:49.600 --> 01:53:19.560
I went with the postmodal route and neurosis through silver and blood. Nice. Definitely. That's definitely a good one. I'm not going to do this one, but I'll do it. I have to do a honorable mention for that because I didn't do a postmodal, but ISIS Oceanic for sure. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep

01:53:20.080 --> 01:53:21.660
You know you're old if you know that one

01:53:23.220 --> 01:53:23.380
Yep

01:53:26.000 --> 01:53:26.960
Alright John

01:53:27.900 --> 01:53:28.700
Okay so

01:53:29.380 --> 01:53:31.400
I did not put these in really any order

01:53:31.520 --> 01:53:33.540
Except for my first one so this is

01:53:33.540 --> 01:53:35.380
All just random for me but

01:53:35.660 --> 01:53:37.420
It wouldn't be a podcast

01:53:38.140 --> 01:53:39.580
Without mentioning the Black Album

01:53:39.580 --> 01:53:41.220
And it wouldn't be a podcast without me mentioning

01:53:41.540 --> 01:53:42.580
Prague at some point

01:53:43.300 --> 01:53:45.640
So I went with what I thought was

01:53:46.360 --> 01:53:47.540
The most defining Prague

01:53:47.600 --> 01:53:49.560
Metal album at least at the time when it came out

01:53:49.560 --> 01:54:18.580
And it's Dream Theater and it's Images of Words. That album literally just blew up for that type of prog metal. Since then, there's been different variants of it, but at the time... To me, yeah, Pull Me Under still. I know it's like their big hit, their one hit. It still hits me as hard now as it did when it came out. And at the time, I mean, sure, Queensryche was doing some kind of interesting stuff, but they weren't really prog metal.

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was good. I mean, I love Fates Warning, but they just didn't get the national audience like Dream Theater did when their album came out. So that's my one prog album. See, it's funny you say that because I actually had a Fates Warning album, but never had a Dream Theater album. No, I actually like Fates Warning more. And I think they're more of a prog metal band. It's just they didn't have the pull like Dream Theater did when Images and Words came out. I can actually, I have a weird story, John. The person who told me

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out dream theater that record was um um joe dobias from matthew from uh face 20 oh really

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yeah he was my he was my friend's cousin and we would see them every year when they came to town

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and one year uh mark zonder was wearing a dream theater shirt it was the shades of gray or one of

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those or parallels or not parallel whatever the one with the statues on it yeah and um he was wearing i was

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like i was like who's that he was all these guys are cool you got to check them out bro yeah they're

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They're pretty tight, both those bands. So that's pretty cool. Can we have a real quick side? Because I'm curious. You mentioned Queensryche. I love Queensryche. I think they're phenomenal. I always think the prog label is kind of wrong for them when you put them up against bands like Face Warning and Dream Theater and stuff. They're kind of like a proto-prog metal, I would say. Actually, I'm going to disagree with you guys a little bit just to be devil's advocate and say that up through... Are they post-prog? Up through Operation... They're pre-prog.

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Yeah. Up through Operation Mindcrime, but especially Rage for Order, they were headed towards Prague greatness. Yeah. I mean, Empire's got a lot of it on there, too. But that was where they started to take a left turn. But it was still good, though. Promised Land is where they really got off the highway at that point. Yeah. Until now. So they had the potential to be. They could have been. Now, you keep mentioning Fate's Warning. And to me, they're not really Prague until after John Arch.

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Oh, absolutely. I think Awaken the Guardian is, but I agree with you. I mean, you can certainly grandfather it in, and I get it, and I don't disagree with that. I don't even think No Exit's not that proggy. Oh, Ivory Gate of Dreams is pretty proggy. Is No Exit the album cover that's really red and looks like somebody drew it in the eighth history class? That's the album I had. So, Will, that's funny you should say that, because when they re-released it, it looks so much more metal now.

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that it did when it first came out. No, but that's, I had that on cassette when it came out. George, I agree 100% with you. I just think that that was where they were starting to get into that world. As a matter of fact, Jim Mathios even says that after that album is when they started to venture more. After No Exit? No. After Guardian. After Awaken. Yeah. Guardian is, it's still just a metal album in general. And yet, ironically, that's where I saw that album played finally was at Prague Power. Yeah.

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That's right, yeah. It is ironic. Good point. Because when you go back now and look at it, it was, for that time, would be pretty proggy, even though it's just a metal album in general. It's a criminally underestimated metal album from 1986, I think. Who would have thought that mentioning of a prog album would create this much discussion? Not you. Not me. And also, like a sub-genre, I would also call it progcore.

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Nice. It's just like endless breakdowns in weird time signatures. Queensryche have a good crime core. Operation Crime Core. This was back at a time when there weren't like 87 minutes worth of just soloing. So that's why I chose this one. Actually, Trevor, you had something on your Facebook page months ago about it was like this bar graphs of different metal genres. Yeah. It's hysterical.

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I've seen the bottom of the Prague medal is the best because you go through all these like death metal black metal doom metal whatever they get some Prague it's just like all these massive algebraic it's just like yeah it's all these formulas it's great I would just remind quickly John that there's a new Archmathias in the works oh I know I know trust me I know Jay I can't wait for that to come

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Yeah.

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My name's going to be just as non-talked about.

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No, it is.

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This is a no-brainer, but I can't not say it.

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And these guys were so important to me when I was a kid.

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Still are, actually.

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And as we all know, they're saying goodbye to the world as we speak.

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Kiss?

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No, no.

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That's a good choice.

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Show no mercy.

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No, it's funny.

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Well, I really had to fight with myself to not make it show to mercy or even Halloway.

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But Jay, seriously though, it's 1986. You could have picked any number of what? Four or five albums. That would be genre-defining for Thrash. Trevor's like, oh, you're talking about Slayer? I'm going to take a phone call. No, he's doing the Michael Scott thing.

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Yeah, idea for record. He doesn't even know we were talking about him. You don't know what I was doing, and that was exactly what I was doing. We need not to talk about it more than that. I think that record speaks for itself, and I'm sure everybody pretty much kind of agrees with me, so more or less. Yeah, what do you think, Trevor? It's the greatest thrash album of all time. Yeah. Or is it an EP? I do.

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not being a Slayer fan.

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Yeah.

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Fair enough.

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Well, we won't go any deeper because I think I probably pissed off a lot of people when I said black metal dudes aren't true earlier.

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So I'm just going to cool it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You've lost a lot of cred in this episode.

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I know.

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Like, I just read that Bandcamp is now accepting returns.

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Yeah, right.

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Exactly.

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Yeah, I'm like, why is my email blowing up?

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Oh, good.

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You said thank you.

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I say thank you.

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Oh, are we me now then? Yes. For my number four, I went with Doom Metal. Oh, here we go. Here it goes right. The obvious choice is Candlemas Nightfall. That's not the obvious choice, but it is for me. Yeah, fair enough. I mean, it's a fine choice. What would your choice be? Unless you have one later. Maybe later. I have one. All right. But by the way, we talked about it.

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before it came out, but I have to tell you guys, I'm pretty fucking addicted to that Candlemas record, dude. A new one? That's fucking great. I noticed that Will was kind of like bragging on it or something, but then I noticed he bought it, so. No, I. Do you like it? Have you listened to it? Yeah, yeah, I have it. I like it. I like it a lot, and I've listened to it quite a bit. So you did listen to song three? Yeah, but not a lot. Or not a lot. I'm sorry. I mean, that was the joke because that's the Tony I only sung. That's why I said that,

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Anyway, it's killer. But that brings us back around to Trevor. Number three. Yes. Yes, number three. For me, I chose Thrash. Hold on one sec. My wife's walking in. I'll mute it for one sec. You can have her say hello if you want. Or not if you want. That's good, too. We wouldn't blame you. She's just running in to drop stuff off and she's going out with her friends to something. She does not want to say hello. Yeah, I mean, we've only ever had one woman on this show.

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Yeah.

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brought her along and it took me about six months to convince her to bring her back so i could like

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actually meet her because i think we scared the crap out of her sure unexposed but what was the name of the man again

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oh man you're gonna make me say no i'm just kidding you don't have to what i mean look it up like

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was it like a bit embarrassed because it was metal core no it's the name oh god no it was it was black metal it's just

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I uh sorry no no man we're not gonna we don't have to like a great idea when I was 17 and now you know in polite company I don't enjoy talking but but honestly it fits the name of the band drinking code uh it honestly missionary style with my dog it's not out of it's not out of uh you know it fits on this podcast if you want to say it it's one of these things I just yeah no it's fine I hey Trevor

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I'm always afraid someone's going to bring it up at work. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm going to have to answer some really awkward questions. Trust me, no one listens to this podcast. Yeah. Hey, Trevor, I was in a band and for one day we were called, this sort of ties in. We were called, we were called rectal itch for one day. So. Nice. Isn't that kind of thing though? Like Satan's cunt or something, you know, and you're just like, I'm not going to write that up. Close. It was, it was, it was a fetal hymen.

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I'm only laughing because that's uber creative and it's like you're like what is the most offensive thing I could do and that was it yeah the bass player because Jordan from weaponizer was the bass player that was our first band and we uh our our theme was pro-abortion black metal so because what else could offend everyone in the universe but so and now and now I'm like it's like no surprise to me that her wife was like why would I want to go back and talk to that

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Oh, so like, wait, wait, it was fetal, not fecal. Yeah. Fetal. Yeah. Even creepier. And how is that? Not a cannibal corpse song. And so you were playing in the garage. Did you have to be like, what, you know, telling parents, like, you know, what's the name of the band? Oh my God, dude. And, uh, yeah, it was so, but I will say my, my, probably my favorite fetal hymen moment ever was at metal fest, Milwaukee metal fest. And we all have one.

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Yes, I know. And we had run a bunch of promo tapes, right? And we were giving them around. And Danny Filth was there, and I handed him one. And he looked at it, and he's like, what does it say? And I said, Fiedelheim. And he, like, totally laughed hysterically hard. And I was like, this is the greatest moment in my life at that moment. I'm surprised you pursued any other form of career, because you kind of, like, topped out there, dude. What are you going to do better than that? So Danny thought it was funny, and that was, like, at that point, the end.

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Nice. Did his laugh just keep getting higher and higher as he kept laughing? Yeah, yeah. And then he just like floated off into space like a little wizard. Does anybody remember where we are here? Are we still at Trevor? Three. Yes, we're three. And then I don't know how we got far away from three. Three. I chose Thrash. And this was another kind of a life defining moment for me, which was Sepultura's Arise. That's a worthy choice. That was a memorable time.

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I can say for effect that record converted a lot of people though you know that and well I mean the simple tour converted a lot of people is just but yeah that's probably the better remains for me was like unbelievable that was that was like changing to me beneath the remains but I didn't heal that till after after this yeah yeah the rise was my first and then I kind of went yeah all right Matt

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My number three

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is Carcass.

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And I went a slightly different route.

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I was more thinking Gorg, right?

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And I did Symphonies of Sickness.

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That's the first really good one.

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You know, I've always been like

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re-cutrification kind of sucks.

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I like it.

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Well, okay.

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I do honestly come back from that.

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But obviously I've changed my mind.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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For sure.

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So my number three is an album I missed when it came out originally, but I've gone back and listened to a lot of this. And this is the album to me that defines death metal early on, big time. It's not the first death metal album. It's not even the first death metal album by this band, but there's just something about it. The cover, the sound, it just, to me, it's the lady,

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And I know Jay might disagree because I know he's a big Possessed fan, but to me this is where Death Metal, to me the actual sound comes from this album. Although some people who like Morbid Angel might differ. But to me, Leprosy is what Death Metal was when it first started. I mean, everything about it, I mean, I know Scream, Bloody Gore is obviously their debut, but this is where I think they honed their sound. They got tighter.

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Well, they got like actual, they got a bass player, you know. Yeah. The band started to breathe a little and got even heavier and nastier. But then you add the album cover art and it's one of the first ones you're like, what the fuck is this? What am I looking at? Ed Repka. You know, and yeah, it just, again, not the most vile looking thing, but it was the first one of the first ones, you know, and to me that that stands out. So that I had to give someone a death medal. I mean,

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Alters of Madness would be the next choice, I guess, after that. But this would be mine. I love you. I know. Ooh, Han Solo moment. You're Han Solo. Did you guys see the Solo movie, by the way? Yes. Yeah, there's a Lena Kaurissian and Han Solo are like, I hate you. I know. But dude, you know what? Not to change the subject here, but you know what?

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I saw last night that I want to recommend everybody is into the spider verse dude that

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fucking movie I've heard it's phenomenal my kids will everybody says that but the pre the trailers look

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freaking retarded watch it no see it George trust me it's one of the best normal movies it was so good

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but I'm gonna see it with a shitty trailer might be good because usually when the trailers are awesome

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you're watching the whole film it's got spider pig not dude trust me it's worth your time

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And I'm kind of a hard critic. George, the heavy metal podcast or the Metalheads podcast has a fucking screaming chicken. So what do you want? Hey, hey. It's been eight ass raped. Willem, your number three. My number three, I went with Thrash Metal. And so I deliberated. A lot of the other categories are pretty easy. This one I deliberated on a lot.

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I like better Slayer show no mercy Wow Wow you want with Shona mercy and I went with raining blood did we not trade places or what well I'm just crazy so for me it was genre defining so it was sort of like yeah I went with what was the defining as in this so to me if you're defining it it's kind of like the first one I guess the way I did

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interpreted it. So. Speak of the devil. No, that's awesome. Hold on. Did you get, did everybody get one of these? No. No. It's fucking Shona Mercy, man. Look, he's even got the sword. Yeah, it's super cool. I bought one just like. Cool ones coming out now, too. Yeah. Yeah, I need to get on those. I mean, you know, it's not like it's that lifelike. It's still cool. I mean, the packages are cool. I mean, the King Diamond package is badass. Yeah.

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That I got it.

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Yeah, I just so the other the I deliberate with kill them all obviously, but if I look at the

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If I had to give somebody like hey, this is what thrash metal was and still is I tell them Slayer

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I'm not gonna tell Metallica

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It's entirely possible that I

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And I mean and this what they would all range in the hundreds of times

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But I might have listened to show the mercy more than any of the other ones

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Because when I got it, it was just like a revelation. It was the only one that was out

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I was like what the fuck this is amazing

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my number three is an easy one

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John you know me too well

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you've mentioned a couple

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another one of my picks you spoke of earlier

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but this one you just spoke of now

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and you're right it's true I believe that Possessed

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Seven Churches is probably the definitive death metal album

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so that's my number three

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I probably mentioned that record too much

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but it was a real formative record for me

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and

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not much more need be said

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Except for the reunion record is coming out. Not reunion. The new one. Can you reunite with yourself and five new guys? I don't know. So, hey, Jay, is the new album called Exercised? It's got Jane Fonda on the cover. That's nice. Georgie? My number three, I went with Black Metal. And I wouldn't say this is my favorite Black Metal album, but it's certainly to me,

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the one that probably kicked off the next generation of black metal. And that would be Dark Thrones, A Blaze in the Northern Sky. Yes, I love that album. Yeah. I considered going to Transylvanian, but... Yeah, it's a tough choice. It's almost a novel. Transylvanian is like a novelty. Right. That's the one that everybody is like, oh yeah, I like Transylvanian Hunger. It's like, no, no, no, no, go back a little. No.

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Yeah, there was such a ripe time, though, man. There was so many cool things coming out in that genre. It's like they were like death metal and then boom, this. Yeah. All right. Literally. Is it my turn? I've lost track. So my number two was my grindcore pick. And I went with Brutal Truth's Need to Control. Because I actually think I like Extreme Conditions a little better, technically, because I probably was the first one I got.

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But Need to Control was just so like endlessly fast and ridiculous and amazing. And my quick little tale about that album when I everything seems to go back to Metal Fest at this point. But Brutal Truth played it one of the years and I had picked up the Seven Inch of God player from that album at the earache booth and Gern, their guitar player, saw me holding it and was like, oh, my God, dude, where did you get this? And I was like, oh, at the earache booth.

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and he ran over there and bought one because currently they never sent him one. Wow. I just remember how excited the guy from the band was that I had his number. Cool. Matt. My number two I'm realizing is a huge gimme. I don't know. It covers multiple genres. I have it down as Doom and that is Black Sabbath Paranoid. I thought about going with the Sabbath for Doom, but.

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But like the first six, seven albums are just genre defining period. Yeah. You didn't have to include them. Everybody just kind of assumes that. It could almost be any metal genre. Yeah, I thought about going with the first one just as like the genre defining album. Yeah. So, yeah. All right. So it's me. So, Will, I like your pick for Priest when you put them on there. However,

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I went a couple albums later. Let me guess. It wouldn't be another podcast of me bringing up this album. But to me, this Priest album was maybe the first metallicized metal album. You know, it's surely not the first album to use double bass, but it's the first one to kind of speed it up. Stop calling me Shirley. Yes. I speak jive.

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I had to fish.

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Job that took you anyhow.

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You tell your old man, he's going to rub it down that court all night.

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Anyway, my number two is Judas Priest staying class.

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To me, it's the first metal album from a band that stands out as being actually a metal sound.

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All this stuff before that still had that bluesy sound or a little bit of proggy sound to it.

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It's by far their best production-wise at that point.

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And I know some people disagree with that, but I think it's better than the other albums. But it's kind of the first big name speed metal band, you know, album, at least at the beginning, even though they're not necessarily that fast. But Exciter, I mean, you hear that opening up and that's all those speed metal bands from the 80s, I'm sure are fans of that album, I'm guessing. So I would call it the first. And I, for a long time in my mind, I had this idea of European metal and it's the first European metal. And I agree with

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you that sounds weird but what I mean is um Scotty in once said that he thought um British Steel was the first one to have no aspect of the blues to it or anything it was the first true true real metal album but I agree with you I think it was staying class staying class was like that genre coming into its pure it was a pure heavy metal album from start to finish yeah yeah I mean it kind of birthed power metal a little bit but the early power metal like the iced earth type power metal it kind of birthed that before it went off into the neoclassical you know and then

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the dreaded gang singing.

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Yeah.

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Agreed.

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Yeah, but definitely, obviously, we share love for that one.

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Yeah.

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Will?

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My number two could be slightly controversial with somebody in the lower left corner as I'm seeing them.

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That'd be you, Jay.

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Okay.

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You're in my lower left corner, too, Will.

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But you really are.

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Death.

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Scream bloody gore.

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I feel like even though Seven Churches came out a little earlier. Oh yeah yeah yeah. And then and you know obviously not maybe not obviously but if you didn't know like Chuck Schoeniger left Florida went up to San Francisco for a while. Mixed in with those guys he came back and he came out with Scream Bloody Gore. I think slightly after I think it was just months after Seven Churches came out. But I feel. I looked it up once I think it's maybe six to eight months. Yeah.

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Yeah, but I feel as though personally that Scream Bloody Gore is more of a traditional death metal album than Seven Churches. Because Seven Churches sort of still is like his vocal styles. It's thrashier. Yeah, it's a little bit thrashier where I think Scream Bloody Gore is like way more into what we now consider death metal. Actually, I'll go even one better will and take your side of the argument and say, and Possessed was really still focused on the satanic thing.

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And death metal really isn't always that. You know what I mean? Like death was the first one to go, now let's talk about death. You know what I mean? It's like for the subject matter itself. Like zombie rituals. All that stuff, yeah. What is the joke? Black metal is Tolkien and death metal is Kalutu. Is that it? The stories? I don't know. That's a good one. That'd be fun to sit and figure those out. Yeah, I think that's the joke. That's the kind of avenues they both take when they have subject matter.

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Yeah, I'll buy that. Jay? No, I don't argue with you on that one. I think those are both legitimate. We could call it a tie. I did choose a Doom record, George, and I didn't think it had to be my default Sabbath, but I decided to go with Sabbath because they are the godfathers and all that. And John made some good points too. You could just pick any of those first six. I think that the modern movement of Doom, like Sleep first hit, and those others,

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They all were like volume four worshipers, and that's all fine and good. But if you really want to talk about when the darkness started, minus the first record, it all comes from Master Reality. Everything from the purple to the embossed Master Reality, which is just in black, to the, I mean, this has got Into the Fucking Void on it. One of my favorite Sabbath songs. It isn't even heavy, Solitude. Yeah, it's beautiful. But this is such a heavy record. And it's also, it dates back into the

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the 70s, the dope smoking 70s when the lyrics were on the back of the fucking record. The first records, the first song lyrics to Sweet Leaf are, all right now, won't you listen? Well, Jay, you know why that was though, right? Because if you were high, it was easier just to turn the album over than to try to pull the sleeve out. But also, okay, so what do you got here? Sweet Leaf, after forever, Children of the fucking Grave is on this thing, Solitude, I agree with you, George, it's a beautiful song. Lord of this world and into the void.

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Fuck. Yeah. I love it. Well, you forgot embryo. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. Yeah. I should have mentioned it. No, it's not embryo. It's a embryo and orchid are both on here. Definitely one of my favorite Sabbath albums. Sorry. Well, it's a good X order did a great cover of into the void. And often covered by people who know that gets covered. I was just laughing too. Cause like you mentioned all the songs and I think we've mentioned bands like brutal truth did Lord of this world. Corrosion of the void.

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It's been covered by, yeah, Sepultura did Children of the Grave, or no, yeah. Is that what they did? No, they did Symptom of the Universe, sorry. But yeah, it's just like all the bands we've mentioned have covered songs from that album. Well, shit, there's a band called Orchid, right? And don't they have an album cover that kind of similarly looks like that? Yeah, their whole vibe is based on their record. Yeah. So when I bought Master of Reality back in 1980-whatever, I bought it on a school

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7th grade school trip to Toronto.

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Because I lived in Michigan and so Toronto was where we went.

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And naturally we went to a music store and I was like, I'm going to buy some metal.

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And I bought Masters of Reality.

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And I don't know if you ever noticed.

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I don't even know if this is a thing, but the one thing that I think of with this album is when I bought this cassette in Canada, the cassette itself was black.

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Have you ever run into that before? Is that a Canadian thing? Or was that a Black Sabbath thing? It's definitely a rarity. Everything was like white and gray. Yeah, everything was like a beige or a white. And it was like, wow. Or see-through. Yeah, or see-through. Yeah, the clear version. And this is the only cassette that I have that was black. I had a couple black ones, and I couldn't tell you what they were, but I think some of the Venom stuff on bronze was black. But I never had, I didn't have Masquerade. It was few and far between when I got those.

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Yeah, that weren't a lot of them. Perfect segue to your number two. My number two is Death Metal. What is it, Will? That's right. Scream Bloody Gore. I bought that on cassette when it came out. George, hit the button. I don't have it so hooked up. God damn, the one time that someone could do it with me, the Bajuska,

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The Bankant Bajuska or whatever it is. Bouchayaka or whatever it is. Yeah. I bought that and I was like, what the hell is this? I was like. And that was where I first said the words Cookie Monster vocals. And I like to say that I coined that when that album came out. But I'm sure somebody else came up with that. But I like to say that I did. And I was like, man, what is this?

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But eventually I came around to it. And for me, that is death metal. I mean, I liked Seven Churches too. But I thought it was thrashier. This for me was the beginning of death metal. They are very different in truth. And I do remember when Green Bloody Gore came out and I was super excited by it. I mean, but I have to say, I didn't really think of it as being like the possessed. No, not at all. And I didn't really think of, and I don't, I mean, no,

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The reason Possessed gets the title, if they get it, is because they have a song called Death Metal on that record. I mean, when the Death album came out, it wasn't Death Metal. At least, to me, it was just, there weren't really genres at that point. It was just, everything was metal. There was good metal and there was bad metal. There were people that sang and people that didn't really sing. Actually, this is a legitimate question. Sorry, Trevor.

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was it called hair metal? No. Okay, there was hair metal. It was called shit. No, you know what I would say? Everything from death to possessed to everything for the first five years was all thrash metal. Everybody called it all thrash. Anything that was like hyperspeed and blah, blah, blah, everyone was like, yeah, I like thrash metal. Or speed metal. Or speed. It was actually speed metal before that. Yeah. When I was, you know, because I'm a few years older than you guys on the back end, and it wasn't called thrash.

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Yeah, when I got into Metallica and Slayer and all that, it was definitely older than that. It was called speed metal. Speed or thrash, but probably more speed, you're right. And then a lot of these genres didn't come until much later that people went back and called them that. Possessed, in all honesty, as much as I love them, was a joke of a band. Nobody fucking liked them, dude. The people in the Bay Area hated them, and they were a Bay Area band, and they had a song, Death Metal. People weren't going to name a genre after this dumb fucking band song and everything. I mean, there was like a kid, and every

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state like me that lived in a trailer somewhere that bought this record and loved it. And then we all found each other when the internet came out and decided it was a genre. You know what I mean? That's funny you say that, Jay, because that happened in England with a band that had a song called Black Metal. That's exactly. So that was my comment. I have had an epiphany here, which is so we've got vitamin black metal, we've got death metal, we've got, you know, there was an unreleased until later enslaved song called Viking Metal. We talked earlier about labeling my band with a new genre. So not only do we need a label,

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I need to record a song called that. So about 20, 30 years down the road, there will be a whole genre named after what I have done. You want to chime in with a format? I will finance your EP. That's right. That is a 20-minute long song that is called Progressive Melodic Metal. Blackened technical death metal. That's right. And 20 years from now, we'll be like, they were keeping it real, dude. They were the foundation. Actually, George, I would point out, you,

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You brought up one of the other ones, which is I don't know that people called Doom, Doom until Epicus, Doomicus, Metallicus came out. I'm not entirely sure people were calling it Doom Metal. And then again, it was probably five or ten years after that record came out. But that was definitely an influence on that. It was just all called Heavy Metal for a long time. Yeah, it was. I don't remember us saying Doom back then. No, not at all. Trevor, that will push us back four to six weeks as long as you're okay with that. That's okay. Oh, it's like the 80s. It's like the 80s again, all over again. Everything took

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46 weeks back then. That's right, exactly. Let's do Trevor's number one. All right, so my number one, I went with Black Metal, and this was the one I had the biggest challenge with because, yeah, it was just a tough one for me to decide, like most genre-defining across the world or in my world, my favorite, whatever. Ultimately, I settled on Emperor's Anthem, See the Walking at Dusk because in my mind, it took kind of what the Black Metal,

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had been forming with dark thrown and mayhem and all this and added a level of technicality and like pushed it to the next realm and that was what really did it for me i think they were the stepping stone or a link between you know the more modern stuff like enslaved and opeth and stuff like that i don't think any of them would have well they probably could have happened but i think emperor was that weird link between just a real guttural stuff to what has become a really broadened

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Talented Genre, you know. Exactly. That's what I really say. It introduced like a level of technicality most of the other bands hadn't really dabbled in. That's funny you should say it, Jay, because the very first release from Emperor is the same as the first release by Enslaved. Exactly, right. They did a split together. Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah. If I can, if I can for a moment just throw back to the Lords of Chaos, I gotta say, you know, up until watching this movie, I was like, yeah, you know, Faust, Barth, Barth, whatever, you know.

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Yeah, okay, whatever. But then after watching him kill that guy in the movie, I was like, oh, yeah, he sucks. It's fucked up. There was an interview on a podcast with Yzhan a while, not too long ago, maybe a year ago, right about when Amir came out, and they asked him about that. He was just kind of like, whatever. They took it back out on tour. No, he made a really interesting comment, which was, he's like, it's a Norwegian thing versus American way of thinking. In Norway, which is, well, he made two interesting words. One is in Norway, when you do your time,

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that's it. You are given another opportunity. He served his time

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and you can restart. Where in the U.S. it hangs over your head forever.

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But the other thing he said that I thought really made a lot of sense is

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we don't know him. He's like, most people don't know him personally.

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They don't know the level of regret he feels for what he did.

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And I was like, that was really interesting to me because it's true.

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It's like, we don't know him.

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We don't know what he went through and how he still has to live

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that. Good point. You know, actually, you raised just a notion in my head about that movie, George, too, since you brought up that particular connection, which is to watch the movie if you haven't watched it. As far as you would, and they didn't try to make it look this way. It's just they focused on them. As far as you could tell, there were no other two bands in this scene other than Burzum and Mayhem. They do not mention one other band in the scene, which I think was an artistic choice and or maybe even a copyright choice. I had to look it up because somebody was,

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I think it was the Varg's driver guy was wearing an emperor shirt and I was like well wait you know I had to go back and look and be like where did they have had they released anything at that point and they had so but yeah isn't there isn't there actually no mayhem or burzom songs in the movie no they did there's mayhem and burzom but they're not very long and I mean like there's snippets of

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There's Burzim stuff, and I think when they do, when they're in the recording studio, that's actually something straight off the record. There's like Freezy Moon or something like that. And then there's, and obviously I think the credits run under some mayhem. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And Burzim, there's some actual Burzim stuff from the first, that first record. And apparently Fenris was in there somewhere, but, you know, based on IMDB, there's somebody that plays Fenris, and I'm like, well, where the hell was he?

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Okay. Well, I'm going to watch it again. So maybe I'll catch it next time. Well, it doesn't mean that they said who he was. They're just like, yeah, that's this guy who doesn't talk. He's just standing there. Yeah. Yeah. It could be at the falafel restaurant in the background. Matt, what's your number one? The only intro I have for my number one is that, John, you complete me. I went with death, leprosy. Leprosy.

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Fair enough. Is that like the remixed version of the album? It is. I was going to ask if you bought it at Target. I did. I got it. It's an EP. It's a Greek bootleg. It'll be a Russian bootleg to you, Jay. Come on. That's right. John. So I scrapped my number one because of something Will said and something that Matt said and I didn't want it to be so obvious.

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So while we're talking, I realized I should have had a Doom album on my list. So, and since mine's not in any particular order, it doesn't matter that I'm sliding them in here, but. Sliding in Whitsnake. Nice. There you go. The only band that every song is. That just came out. It's good. Yeah. Every song's about his penis. The band is about his penis. That's true. Pretty much. That's true. But I can't knock him because he lives in Tahoe and I didn't know that. So we have a connection. He's on the

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Nevada side, so whatever. Ten bucks for whoever can say the keyboard player and slide it in is. Oh. Did John Lord play on that record? It was fucking John Lord. Wow. Yeah, that was the last record he did, yeah. You can just send him $10 on PayPal via Bandcamp. You know what? I bought his record tonight, so he gets $12.99. I got it on iTunes. Now I'm just going to keep the money and never send it to you. Understood. Fair enough. So my Doom album, which,

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at the time was not a doom album because like you guys said nobody called it doom but when you go back and look at it now to me it's in the very first wave of doom and it's before candle mass um but it's in between sabbath and pentagram and my choice my newly revised number one is trouble psalm 9 to me um it's you know you could choose that or saint vitus but i went with them because i thought their sound was a better sound than saint vitus

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I have to say seeing

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the skull

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play

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Super Bowl night after the Eagles

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won the Super Bowl at Atlas

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and sing the Templar

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was fucking magical

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it was like my perfect night in the entire world

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better than when I got married

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better when I had my children

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better than that night with me

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better than anything

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nothing is better than that

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Hey, Will, we weren't there, unfortunately. Was there like a haze about seven to eight feet up off the ground while they were playing? You know what the haze was from? Man, the Wagner guy smokes a lot of cigarettes, and he's the only person I know who got away with smoking cigarettes inside the brew space. Well, it's funny. He's smoking cigarettes in D.C. at this current time because for the other shows, he's just getting lit. Yeah, he looked like he was a little lit.

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If you go into the loading bay at Atlas, it just drifts into the brewery. Almost every band just parks their vans in the loading dock. It just lights up and it's all throughout the brewery. They're just 25 feet from the street so it's in D.C. you're okay. Pretty much every time I go down to see the Caps now, I'm like, I'm in D.C. It's horrible over there, George. It's so bad.

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The first time I went to Denver after it was legalized, that's all I smelled. I mean, it was like, to me, Denver just smells like pot now. LA is the same way. Everywhere, all the time. Are you sure you're not just driving by Kevin Smith's house? Yeah. Jay, you're in the Bay Area. You got other smells up there right now. Such as, what have we got? Poop. Oh, I thought there was a bad thing. Oh, you just mean normal smells, yeah. I can try right through.

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I just love all the things I was like what is he gonna come up with

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poop

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it's like the poop capital

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you can't watch them

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stepping on someone's poop

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so's hippies

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hippies

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my number one I thought would be everyone's

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number one or at least on everyone's list

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and no one has said it yet but

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Black Sabbath

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the original heavy metal album

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The original Doom album, the original Everything album. I considered it. In a way, the original Black Metal album, in the smallest kind of way, was the introduction of the Dark One into the music scene. So I got another Whitesnake question for you. $10 for who Cozy Powell plays drums on, slide it in. But who did he replace? Who was Whitesnake's previous drummer? Ian Pace. There you go. Just trying to point out that Whitesnake was a really cool fucking band. You're also learning that I'm a big

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No, that's fine. I mean, you know, they were all... Jay's also learning he owes you a lot of money. Jay, there are other albums to buy on Bandcamp, so... Yeah, to be sure. There are other Ashton Horde albums. Do you have Nine Plagues on vinyl? You should pick that up. I actually have it on vinyl. Wait, I do have it on vinyl. GoFundMe, baby. I got a... But I, you know, I don't know. I'm going off on this tangent, but everything the Whitesnake up through Slided In is good. Forget what you know about it. I think the self-title is fantastic.

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I think about half of Slip of the Tongues good and then I kind of lost interest. I was just mad when John Sykes left or when John Sykes was asked to leave. Asked to leave, yes. My number one has been mentioned once already, but it's and it was very well already talked about by the person who said it, but I'm going to just add a little bit, which is I do think when we were talking about British Steel, we're talking about staying class and all these things, I think we were building up to something unknowingly.

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Is it Defenders of the Faith? Yeah. I'm using the best priest album out there. No, there were several converging threads coming together of different bands. Everybody from Motorhead to so on and so forth. But John actually said exactly what I intended to say about this, which I think the birth of modern heavy metal is Iron Maiden's Number of the Beast. And therefore, I would almost go so far as to call it a heavy metal as a genre. It's a genre-defining album without a question. Oh, is that what we're doing?

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I've said, well, that's where I'm going with that. But we've said Master of Puppets in the past. I have often said that's the best. It's not. Number of the Beast is the best metal record ever recorded, as far as I'm concerned. For me. That's a totally different category. I did not properly think about this. Well, I just wanted to go general. If you want to know about heavy metal, that's the record I'm going to hand you. If you don't like this, there's not a lot you're going to like here. Well, this is awkward.

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I love you, George. So, uh, my number one is Thrash. Oh. Uh-oh. Oh, okay, we'll go with it. And it's Master of Puppets. Because that was, for me, I mean, that was life-changing. You know, everything before, I mean, there was, yeah, there was some Slayer and some Merciful Fate and, like, metal charts and stuff, but that album changed everything.

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Everybody wanted to follow that album. Except Metallica. Except Metallica. You know what's really funny, George, is that's the album I scrapped as my number one because Will said, nah, fuck that. I went with Slayer over Metallica. Yeah, I know. I was like, oh man. And then Matt said, I think I took an obvious choice. I'm like, oh man, I totally fucked up with my number one. You could have had my back. Well, bear in mind, George,

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It's one that I have long said was the best. That's true. I'm going to kind of go with Number of the Beast these days. But there's not a wasted second on it. I remember when I got it, my brother actually bought it before I did. And he came home from school one day and I was like, did you even fucking listen to this, dude? I'm like, why did you loan this to me? You should be doing nothing but listening to this. I bought that like, I don't know, like, what, May of 1986? Remember the Beast or Master of Puppets? Master of Puppets.

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And that was the only thing I listened to that whole summer, which back, you know, I mean, back then I didn't have a lot of stuff. It was like, you know, I probably had like 20, 30 albums or something. But you know what, I'm going to call bullshit on that. I bet you listened to Among the Living that summer too. I didn't. I, because. It didn't come out till 87. That's why. Oh, but is that when it came out the following year? Okay. Spreading the disease though was out. Okay. All right. And I then. Which I probably bought, but I, after the first like dozen listens of Master

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Puppets, I was on this like... I was consciously saying, I am not listening to anything but this album this summer. And I did that. I remember it was the same way for me. I couldn't take it out. I couldn't take it out. That's what she said. Oh, yeah. I guess he said in this case. Wait, Trevor, did you just make a gay dick joke? Give me a high...

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I still remember the drive home from Briarwood mall in Ann Arbor,

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Michigan, where I bought the album, put it in my,

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in my walk, man in the car and listen to it on the way home and said, Holy shit.

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It's burned in my brain, that trip home, listening to that album going, Holy shit.

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It's funny. Cause I have the same experience where I got the cassette.

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I put it into my parents' red Ford tours on the way home from Paris Island.

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And it was a black album. I said, holy shit. And I threw it out the window. No, I have that memory, too, though, George. And it was that I was actually I played trombone in the band. And we went on this trip to whatever some city to do a marching band thing or something like that. And I listened to it exclusively. It was probably a four hour trip. And I when I got back, I was in a different world. Did you did you like melt your trombone and sell for scrap metal? And what happened? No, but I used to sneak at sneak off and smoke cigarettes and stuff like that.

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and doing the things we were supposed to do. But I remember that. And I remember specifically, I remember just like, holy shit, everything just turned left. Something new happened. Yeah. All right. Well. Yeah, that was definitely cool. Thank you, Trevor, for that choice. You're welcome. See? All right. I do offer something. Yeah, yeah. Music and script choices. All right. Moving on to what we are listening to.

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Lately. Or not lately.

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Trevor, what are you listening to?

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All right, so I threw a bunch of stuff. This is what's been on my wish list, or not my wish list. I actually have it, my have list. What I've been listening to is like, Queensryche, The Verdict, I think is phenomenal. I really love it. I like the last two records, but this one, I don't know, it's a little faster. I think it's great. I've been listening to, I really like this, I think I posted on Facebook, this Altitudes and Attitude record that Frank Bellow and Dave Elfson did. I really didn't quite know what to expect because I'd forgotten it.

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about the EP that I bought years ago. It's great. It sounds like a kind of medley or Foo Fighters record. It's really good. And then my I've been really into like old British punk and modern punk. So I casualties. I love GBH's City Babies Revenge album. It's fucking awesome. That has been like on endless rotation in my house. I tried the new LA Guns thought it was really not interesting at all. But been listening to it to try to like it. The new Tesla. I'm really

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I know that's not particularly

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metal but it's like Tesla meets

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Def Leppard it's a little bit

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different well it was actually produced

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by one of the guys in Def Leppard yeah Phil did it

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and it's good but I don't know

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I have mixed feelings about it and

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I know this came out like probably a couple

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months ago but I really dig that John Garcia

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and the Band of Gold album

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it's very cool nice

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oh and lastly Nebula

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I mentioned earlier Eddie Glass I'm a huge

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Nebula fan and they just got back together

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and they put out an album of old demos

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from kind of like their whole career. And it's the songs they didn't release are just as good as the ones they did. Awesome. So there you go. Cool. Matt. Let's see. Some Sludge Doom band called Thraw. The album is Gardens of Rot. I've been listening to a ton of Misery Index. I'm loving Rituals of Power. Noisim, I'm digging that album as well. Some Icelandic black metal. The band is called

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Kaleiker. The album is Heart of Lead. A band I would call Savor, but it has a weird mark above the A, so I'm sure it's something else. Shaver. Shaver. By Gillette. Postmetal from Norway. The album is called They Came With Sunlight. It's been on the new Rod in Christ. A band called Sjövj, which is made up of members of some U.S. black metal bands.

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A dude from Falls of Roars. I can't think of the other guys. I'm still spinning the new Swallow the Sun, M-I-K-P. That stands for Minus Intensive Keyboard Player. It is a whole different Swallow the Sun. I'm accepting the fact that he's gone, but he's missed. That's the first step is acceptance. Oh, no. Is that the first step? No, I think that's the last step. You're right. Sorry. You did a lot of hard work to get to that point. I'm doing it backwards. So it'll be... Oh, right. Okay. Yeah.

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You'll be distraught at the end of this. Yeah. I'll be in denial. Electrocution. And the album is called Psycho-Morbit. They kind of remind me of Older Morbid Angel. And then obviously a lot of Ashen Horde and Fallen Cathedrals. Great. Oh. All right. Right now, right now people are saying, who's that guy that's been talking a lot?

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I haven't heard from Matt yet.

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Once he had to put up a new emoji.

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That's awesome.

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Okay, so for me, let's see.

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A band we got in the box.

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I saw them at Prog Power.

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I didn't think I'd like them, and I actually dig them.

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A band called Cellar Darling.

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Spell, Folk Metal, Prog Rock from Switzerland.

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Another band I think we got in the box.

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called Chrome Waves, Grief Obsessed. They're a post-black metal band out of Chicago. I think one of the guys is from Ammon Seuss. We've talked about them before. Instrumental post-metal band from Spain. And no, Will, they are not from Greece via Spain. They're actually from Spain. I think the name is Chikonia. I don't know how to say it properly. I think that's it. And the album's called

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Myra Kerr. What was that band that... Yeah, I can't remember. They were from Greece and you thought they were from Spain or vice versa? I can't remember which one of us started it. Hold on, hold on. Anyway. Yeah, well, I'll think of it. Cut it all out. Anyway. Hannes Grossman, we've mentioned that. The Apofina album is kind of crazy tech death or technical death metal. A band that I heard of from Matt.

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mentioned him once and he caught my attention because he said they were in the

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vanicott of luna or the ocean and it's the moth gatherer esoteric oppression loving that album

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george turned me on to wormwich yesterday by saying is anyone listening to this yet and i went and

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listened to it and i actually dug it that's the new one that's coming out i guess in what a week or two

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weeks heaven that dwells within kind of black metal black and roll i guess a little bit nice and then uh

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I don't know. Some band, Ashton Horde, Fallen Cathedral has been listening to that a lot lately. Yeah, I hear that guy's a fucking dick, so maybe don't. No, I didn't hear that. I didn't hear that either. You will. Just wait. You will. It'll be in the comments. Hey, Will, Ocean of Grief. Oh, yeah. Yeah, Ocean of Grief. Yeah. God, that was such a good album. I can't believe you didn't hear it. That was an answer to this.

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to this the Spanish-Greek thing for anybody who wonders if John just sent Will a secret message. Will, the bacon is in the oven. The pearl is in the river. I'm on it, sir. The dude called, he's got the shit. That's a terrible code word. Does anybody know what the pearl is in the river is from? It's a movie. Is it Big Trouble in Little China? Just a guess. That's always my first kiss, by the way. Like you could have said, which Rocky movie does

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I could get defeated in the second run. I'd have been like, big trouble, little J.

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It's a fucking great movie, man. I'm totally unblown with that, Jay.

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There's a band here that we played with a bunch that were the name of the bad guy. What was his name?

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I'll lock it up.

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Well, the movie that I was referencing stars Chevy Chase and Carrie Fisher, if that helps.

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Oh, the bird.

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Under the Rainbow. Oh shit. Well, I haven't even heard that mention. Yeah, I know. But I always go. That might be the first time I've heard it mention. The Pearl is in the river. And it's. Is it a good movie? I mean. Jay, are you actually a big trouble Little China fan? Oh, hell yeah. Yeah, definitely, dude. Oh, and Egg Shen was the. There was a band here called Egg Shen. Because Jack Burton says so. Hell yeah.

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Yeah. The Pork Chop Express. It was out right around the time as Buckaroo Banzai, and I think I spent a lot of time watching both of those movies. You know what I mean? Like back and forth. Yeah. Not that they were terribly similar, but. HBO recently has been playing Fletch and Spies Like Us on a big Chevy Chase fan. Doctor? Doctor? Doctor? Doctor? Doctor? I'm not a Chevy Chase fan, but Fletch is an awesome movie. It is. Yeah, he's funny in that. Yeah, he is funny in that.

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Actually, National Lampoon Christmas was on last night for some reason. Last night? Yeah, is that weird? Timely. But that is one of the greatest holiday movies ever. Yes, it is. Where are we at here? Will, what are you listening to? I'm going to go a little out of the order that I initially had. I bought an album called Void Tripper, Sabbath Worshipping Doom, instead of Satan Worshipping Doom. I think they're from Brazil. I think they're from Brazil, but anyway.

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It's pretty good tongue-in-cheek doom metal. You know, Sabbath-y doom metal. The Noisum Cease to Exist, Ordos, The End. I've been listening to a lot of the Overkill, The Wings of War. It's a really great album. Might make my list at some point. There's this great, like, Death Doom band called Orny Rofag...

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I'm trying to figure out if that's a real band and we're supposed to figure out what it is. It is. My favorite thing is when you have to say the names aloud. Yeah. And it's like, oh, yeah, that's one of my favorite bands. And they're called. Oh, shit. I couldn't. Oniro. Oniro. Faggis. Faggis. It's O-N-I-R-O. Oniro Faggis. Oniro Faggis. Okay.

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The name of the album is called Endarkament Illumination Through Putrefaction. Anyway, Good Death Doom album. And then Wretched Fate, Fleshletting. If you're a fan of Swedish death metal, check that out. Rotted Pestilent Tomb. And then obviously The Ashen Horde, Fallen Cathedrals.

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And then last but not least, Deceased, Ghostly White. And I'm hoping I have an announcement to make at some point later about Deceased. Hey, just real quick, Will, when you said Wretched Fate, I thought you said Flesh Lighting, not Fleshletting. Right. Fleshlighting in my pestilent tomb on the wings of war in the darkament of Deceased to Exist, a Sabbath worshipping doom. Wow, man. You can tell it's getting late.

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It sounded like you were reading it from a Lovecraft book there for a minute. No, he was getting ready to read some lyrics. Yeah. It is 12.15 local time. And I'm sure it's tomorrow. Yeah. You guys are in tomorrow. Yeah. Jay and I are stuck in yesterday. Yeah. Hey, does anything interesting happen in the next three hours? Yeah. What's the future like? It's dark. It's Saturday.

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The End. It took me a minute to get on board. I don't know why I was just listening to other stuff. I'm not sure where I said it next to the last one yet, but that doesn't mean I'm having trouble with it. I like it a lot. Speaking of Ordos. Let's talk about it. I'm interested in your opinion. Jay, did you have the last one? You did. You and John. What do you think the last one?

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The Last One Was Kind Of Way Up On My List. Yeah. House Of The Dead. Yeah. I think you and I were the ones that had on our list. No, I think John did too. No, John did. It fell off at the very end. I think we all browbeated. John and George. George, you get it. No, I think John. I bought it before all of you fuckers. Yeah, but you hate it. Here we go with this again. Yeah. So randomly buying 72 albums doesn't necessarily mean you bought.

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you guys about it and you were like yeah whatever and then a month later you're like hey

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there's this album it's really good and i'm like fuck y'all like it's like going to like

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fucking kmart or something like that bargain bin and just grabbing like 47 videos for like 13

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now i have to say my thing which i say every time is yeah we remember that george but john somehow

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told us to listen to this i told you to listen to it you're not you're both fucking right but you

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Who said it with 40 other bands? I'm not going back and looking through that fucking Facebook, you know, thing that we are. I'm not going through that list to see who said it first. That'll take me at least four weeks. I will tell you exactly what I remember. Is John tweeted out that it was his headphones only album for the night or to his house of the dead. I was in Philadelphia in my brother-in-law's house and I found it on Bandcamp. I put it on. I fell asleep listening to it. I should say I put it. I was.

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I listened to it as I was going to bed and I fucking loved it. And I do not have no recollection whatsoever. Because you don't listen to anything I say. Because, you know, when you go through A through Z, I lose interest at B. This is known about Will. That's a good self-defense. He's saying his own shortcoming. Apparently you didn't listen to it either, George, because it didn't even make your honorable mention. It's because I didn't think it was that good. I thought it was good enough to tell you guys about, but it wasn't list-worthy to me.

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I'm being sincere when I say I hope we never stop having this fight. It's our longest running fight. Well, I feel like you were going to offer up an opinion about the new one. My only opinion is I think House of the Dead is a little bit better. I do too, but this is creeping up on me. So I'm going to reserve my final judgment. House of the Dead is a little heavier for one thing. Maybe produce a little better too. I think also this one's longer, the new one. It's a little bit longer. But I actually like the new one.

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So with that said, I also have been checking out The Worm Witch. I actually liked their last record. I think this one's better than the last record, and I liked the last record. This is good. I like it. Did George tell you about the last record first? Actually, I think I told George about it, to be honest with you, and I think he probably remembers that. Well, George did. It was one of my what-are-you-listening-to things once back, way back when it first came out. But then George got it. It was like right when the Vampire record came out. Yeah, that was good, too. Yeah, and they were like these two kind of cool records that fell at the same time.

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I have been revisiting Frost just to get ready for Decibel just because I really want to have that fresh in my brain when the time comes. I've made it clear to everybody. Maybe I have or maybe I have. I think I mentioned to you guys recently I'm kind of have a Michael Schenker group resurgence because I bought tickets to his fucking big Michael Schenker Fest thing. The Candlemas record is really resonating with me. Still listening to the Running Christ and then just full on geeking out on Overkill.

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Wings of War is great. The last one I really loved before that was Ironbound. But the truth is that I didn't really stick my feet into the ones between those. I went out and bought everything. I went out and bought everything from Taking Over through Wings of War, and I have listened to so much Overkill in the last two to three weeks. No Field of Fire? No, I bought them all. Yeah, I mean, I just started with, yeah, excuse me, Field of Fire. And I would also recommend to people, if you don't,

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have the live and overhousing things where they did all of horoscope and all of field of fire and they're fucking great dude but if you if you don't know if you haven't listened to the electric age the grinding wheel um what's the other um the other recent records grinding wheel electric age white devil armory yeah and then as um will just mentioned himself wings of war all of it's good you have to absolutely worship years of decay oh yeah

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their best album. Actually, I might like Horoscope a little bit better, but Years at Decay is cool. Yeah, I swear to God, there's something about that record that strikes. And they've always had a little Metallica worship going on, to be honest with you, in places, but up to and including if you watch the video for Hello from the Gutter, that one guy might as well be James Hetfield, the guitar player. That's dated. I did not. It's fun when you rediscover a band that you already do kind of know. Overkill's one of my favorite thrash bands now. Listening to so much Overkill. So there you go.

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That's my rant, but good stuff, dude. I'm an overkill devotee at this point. I love you. And the Wings of War is great, isn't it, Will? It is. There's a song on there called Head of a Pin that I fucking love, dude. I have to say, there is a line in that song, Welcome to the Garden State, where he meets a girl from Philly and he tells her to get the fuck out of here. I'm like, I can see that. Said the Flyers fan.

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I want to on their Facebook page they did a documentary called Welcome to the Garden States, a seven-parter. If you're bored, you might go watch it. It's pretty interesting. They just talk about the history of the band over a seven-part documentary. It was coincided with the release of this. I did not know that, but I will check it out. Yeah, it's worth your time. I actually ran into Bobby at a Decibel Tour a couple years ago when it was horrendous and obituary playing.

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Blitz Ellsworth was in the balcony wearing a bright white shirt and he stood out to everybody. Check me out. I'd like to meet him. He seems like a really funny guy to me. I think he's a little more conservative than I am, but he's funny and also just like this uber positive guy. There's a lot of funny videos of him on the web, like, you know, tour bus. Check out our tour bus type videos. He's fucking funny, man. He was just on liquid metal. He did the hostile takeover, I think. Well, that's the band top of top of my list. I hope they come through here.

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this year because they really want to see it. That was a problem. I don't listen to that anymore. Liquid metal is getting more and more terrible. The only time I like to listen is when Ian Christie does his stuff. I just happened to flip through and he was talking. I was like, oh, fuck, I want to listen to this because he was funny. Hey, you just reminded me of Ian Christie. I'm sorry I keep referencing it, but does any of you guys know what Varg's real first name is? Christian. I just love that dude. His first name is

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Christian, yeah. George, I defer to you. Just to stop you, Jay, that is also, what's his name? Gaul. His real first Christian, too. Yeah. So here's what I love then, too, about Lords of Chaos, is that a Jewish kid played a guy named Christian who was a Satanist. And there's a joke in there somewhere. Three guys walking to the bar, and it's one guy. It's bared vagueness. George, it's your turn. All right, so I got two things to say. First of all, I completely

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I completely forgot about honorable mentions. Does anybody else have them? I have one, but it's kind of a gag a little bit, if you've got a second. I would say everything you guys said is an honorable mention. Yeah, exactly. Because a lot of you guys did say something. Because I had other genres that I wanted to mention. Let's throw it out. Lady Gaga is not a real genre. Actually, I want to hear John's gag first. Yeah, because to me, this is a negative impact on music. Oh, you're going to talk about the blackout?

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There it is. Nope. It's the first Van Halen album. As awesome as that album is, it literally created the worst genre of hard rock music ever. Hair metal. Why? Why? Why would you hate hair metal? I can't fucking stand it. Yeah, there's there are degrees of awfulness, but there's some really good bands that came out of that. Well, the sad thing is there's a lot of great musicians in hair metal that played it.

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And I wish they hadn't, but I just... The guys in Steel Panther are very talented. They are. And I see those guys at the grocery store a lot. Oh, do you ever live out by you? Because Ralph Sands lives just nearby in Studio City, and I see him at the grocery store all the time. You know what my issue is? Do me a favor next time. Tell him I love that song. I believe in a thing called love. Oh, my God, dude. Wouldn't that be the meanest thing ever? That was fucking hilarious. You know, I saw Josh Todd there not too long ago.

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I think he wears that because he wants people to be like, who is that guy? Oh, it's the guy from Buck Cherry. That's rough. That is rough. I have to admit, I kind of like a couple of other songs. Is that Willem Dafoe? Oh, it's Buck Cherry. No, oh, no. Jawbones. We need to have a hair metal chat in Philly. Best off here. No, you know what it is? I see a band like Motley Crue.

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Who, by the way, with Nikki Six, just shut the fuck up right now. Just shut up. And apparently the dirt is terrible. Well, the trailer is hard to, I hardly got through the trailer. It's three minutes long. I was like, when is this going to be over? I never saw a band accuse another band of stealing their stage setup when, in fact, they were the ones who stole the stage setup from the band they're accusing of stealing from. It was basically a no take backs kind of thing. You know what comes to mind, John, is the fact that

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John Fogerty lost the rights to the Creedence. This is one of my favorite movies. John Fogerty lost, didn't have the rights to the Creedence Clearwater songs, even though he wrote them all. And then if you guys remember, he released The Old Man Down the Road in the 80s as John Fogerty. But it sounded so much like Run Through the Jungle that he got sued by the owner of his catalog for, what's the word, ripping off himself.

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Plagiarism.

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He plagiarized his own music.

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And he was in court and they said, well, this sounds like Creedence, Clara, Water, and Ralph. He says, well, it should. I wrote the song. I'm that guy. I'm that guy. I can't not sound like that. I'm trying. Believe me. If you ever get a chance, Howard Stern did a phenomenal interview with John Fogarty. He talks about all this stuff. And they basically were young kids. And one of the guys in the band had an uncle who was a lawyer. And the uncle said, yeah, sign this. Yeah, whatever. You're good. You're fine. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, sign this.

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and they were fucked.

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He may have a right to be due, but John Fogarty, one of the most bitter people in music, dude.

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Well, him and his, the battle between him and his brother was just, it makes the Gallagher brothers look like pissant boys.

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Wow.

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I'm doing including like on his brother's deathbed, right?

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I think he went to reconcile and his brother told him to fuck off, basically, I think, on his own deathbed, you know, which is crazy.

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Yeah, it's fucking crazy.

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Anyway.

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Anyway.

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Yeah, just, hey, Trevor in Philly, ask me about what I think about Motley Crue.

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and then you'll know why I don't like hair mode. You know, oh yeah, no, I'll talk about that when we get there. There's some stuff I don't want recorded. Yeah. But I do want to, I want to validate, I just want to follow up one more time and say the dirt looks terrible, dude. The review I saw was it's a terrible movie about terrible people. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, so I just want to give you a quick update, Trevor, that I, since you mentioned Brutal Truth, I texted Danny Lilliker,

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and he will not be at decibel fest this year oh that's too bad it's a cool guy yeah it's record store day and he works at a record store so he will be working oh well we got to go to vinyl altar then on record store day yeah yeah vinyl altar yeah it's one of the few places that was like an early national yeah it's a nice store oh were they oh really yeah they were one of the first places to carry our shit and uh so yeah i'd actually love to swing by one yeah it's cool have you been there before we will swing when we're

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I really don't want that. You swing both ways. And it's your turn. And that's when Char gets uncomfortable. No, we don't. Just kidding. I like that, George, yeah. He bites his bottom lip and he just shakes his head. I'll let you know if he's into that point. Fishbowl. All right, George. I feel sure, George. Oh, well, George has his honorable mention. Yeah, yeah, so a few other genres. Viking metal, Bathory's Hammerheart.

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Progmetal. Ooh. Cynics Focus. Nice. I like it. Folkmetal. Paul Mesbidal. He lives out here, too. What's that? Paul Mesbidal. He lives out in Silver Lake here, yeah. And Folkmetal. I went with Skyclad and either Wayward Sons of Mother Earth or The Silent Whales of Lunar Sea.

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And then two more that were sort of, well, another black metal one would be Mayhem, Day Mysteries, Dom DeSatanis, just because... You don't have to explain yourself. It's funny because not a lot of bands actually sound like that album because it was kind of unique, but they influenced a lot of bands. They did, but it also, I mean, honestly, musically it is. There's no question about it.

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you could not know anything and know when it came out and you'd be fine. But there's no record with, there's no other metal record with that much lore attached to it either. Oh, absolutely not. Yeah. You know, that's how I can think of. And an addendum to death metal, what I believe it was Trevor said, this is going to be the brutal death metal and that would be Cannibal Corpse Vile. Nice. Oh, cool. Awesome. All right. Those are my honorables. Now, in terms of what we're listening to, I'm going to give you

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all the option of not sticking around for this. Yeah, I know it's been a while, but it is 1230 at night. East Coast. Now, on one hand, it'll only take me five minutes to do it. I mean, we've been doing this for three and a half hours. Can you sit through another five minutes or I can record it after and just drop it in? Is this going to be one of the times we drop like something cool like Ordo's, but you only mention it again. And then we all pick up on it independently because John's listening.

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to it and then we love it you've caught my plan is to say something really awesome when you're not here and then just by sheer volume alone will it almost can't not be true that's gonna i mean there's got to be some real well i've got here yeah you know i've got george are you actually listening are you just reading these off of metal storm i have i have listened to all of these albums front to back but it's been over a month it's just new albums out and a lot of these are grindcore so it only takes 10 minutes to listen to them all right so just

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So it's going to take longer to mention the albums than it is to listen to the albums.

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I will not go into the whole, this is who they are, this is where they're from, this is how many albums. I'm just going to list them.

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All right?

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There you go.

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Okay, that's reasonable.

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Here we go.

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Wait, wait, wait.

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I'm going to time this.

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Hold on.

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One, two, three.

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Here we go.

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Go.

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Okay.

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So what I've been listening to, it's been a while.

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There's a lot of stuff on here, but it's a lot of grindcore, so it goes by fast.

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And most of this stuff isn't even new.

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It's just stuff that I've been discovering.

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So anti-gamma, depressant.

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I've been listening to a lot of them, but that's their most recent one. I've been checking that out. Axis of Despair, Contempt for Man, more grindcore. Basilisk, Emergence, Death Metal. I don't know why Will doesn't listen to this, but he should. They're playing Atlas at the benefit. Beaten to Death, Agronomicon. Benighted, Necrobreed. Cephalic Carnage, Misled by Certainty. Full of Hell, Trumpeting Ecstasy. I know Will,

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likes them and I should have listened to this but I didn't and this is really what sent me down the grindcore path lately. Hey hey hey tell me which one to buy because I know you've been talking about it. Trumpeting ecstasy. They've got a new one coming out in May. And what the hell will there's the decibel flexi disc that's fucking horrible from them but. Yeah it is weird one minute you're on F. All right. Hemorrhage we are the gore.

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The Elysian Grand Evil Galariarch. Insect Warfare, World Extermination. That's an oldie but a goodie. Laceration, Remnants. It's a compilation album, but it's really cool and it's new. Chris from Inferro Brewro told me about this one. Lock Up, Demonization. I know the band, but I'd never really listened to it. Magruder Grind, number two. A misnomer of a band called Mellow Vocals, and the album is X or 10.

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The vocals are not mellow. I went back and listened to the first two monstrosity albums because of Corpse Grinder, Imperial Doom, and Millennium. Will ought to like that. Millennium is phenomenal. Millennium is so good. So good. Mumakil, Flies Will Starve, More Grindcore, Nails, the second and third albums, Abandon All Life, You Will Never Be One of Us. The entire Nazem catalog, particularly Helvet, a band that I

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I just learned about that was from last year, but it's really awesome called Pan. And the album is called the Boreal Coast. You should definitely check that out. Another grind. That's the one you said it was like a temple avoid, right? Or somebody said it was like temple avoid. Another grind core band, Pink Mass. By the way, I wish they're not. Necrosexual. A band that I didn't realize had a new album coming out today, but I just found out today. So I listened to that as well. But I was listening to their previous album. This is Prostitute Disfigurement from Crotch to Crown.

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They just released a self-titled one today. It is pretty awesome. It's like Cannibal Corpse kind of style. Man, rectal itch sounds tame now. I know, right? Ravenous Death. Beetle Hymen, man. Ravenous Death, Chapters of an Evil Transition. Terrorizer, Caustic Attack, really good. You know, back to Galen, Trap Them, Crown Feral. The new Venom Prison album, Sam Serra, which

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is surprisingly good. Where are we?

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Where am I? Three something? I can't see it.

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I got plenty of time. I'm almost done.

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You're doing great.

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They're playing at

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Decibel.

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Wake and Misery Rites.

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More Grindcore.

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And Atlas.

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And Atlas.

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The day after Decibel, they're playing at Atlas.

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And the collaboration between

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Aranci Pazuzu and

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Dark Buddha.

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Dark Buddha Rising, Waste of Space Orchestra, Synthiosis. Another grindcore, Whores Nation. The album is called Methodism. I never thought I would listen to this band, but I found that I really dig it, and it is Worm Rot. And their album Voices. And the last one we've already mentioned, Worm Witch, Heaven That Dwells Within. I'm so glad you mentioned that Trap Them record, because I think Crown Feral is so fucking heavy. It's ridiculous.

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My final time. Four minutes. Can you really not spare four minutes? Come on. But I have to tell you this. At least 30 seconds of that was you, Will. Yeah, you were eating my time, bitch. You know, it's funny, George, is that... I always feel like such a basic bitch when you guys give your list of bands I've never heard of and I'm throwing out like Tesla and LA Guns. We all pale a comparison. And there's more. There's so many more, but these are the ones that I really liked.

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Hey George,

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if you tally up all those albums time-wise that you just listed,

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they're still not as long as the last Bellwet album.

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There's a lot of grindcore in there.

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So there you go.

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That's what I've been listening to.

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And now we are at the end of the episode.

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So thank you again, Trevor, for joining us.

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Please go and check out Ashen Horde and Fallen Cathedrals.

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Pick it up.

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And Trevor,

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We are really looking forward to shaking your hand, seeing you face to face, buddy. Yeah, man. No, I'm psyched. We will. You're the most welcome presence on this podcast. Yeah, what's going to be great about Philly is we can finally meet you in person. I will finally meet Dad of Norred of the Darkness, Markisan in person, John Burkholder Travis in person. There's going to be so many people that we feel like we know we're brothers with, but we will actually meet them for the first time face to face. Good stuff.

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My prediction now, the catchphrase next year will be on the boat. Either that or man overboard. Yes. We will be replacing an old phrase with something like that. We don't need that phrase anymore. Or in the river. I doubt that anybody else has been focused as me, but they are doing, what is it?

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I'm definitely afraid to come in and find that carpet guard.

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If it's not there, I don't know what I'm going to do.

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I mean, I'm bringing the scarf.

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Are you?

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Oh, I'm bringing it.

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You know, I looked up trying to get custom like podcast scarves made, but it wasn't.

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It didn't.

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They were.

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It wasn't.

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No.

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Well, like the only ones that did custom scarves, it was just like one little square of it.

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It wasn't like something that would go like across the whole scarf.

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So.

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I mean, if you want, I can find out because Atlas has scarves. You got a scarf guy? Scarf guy. They got a football scarf. Who's your scarf guy? It's funny because chemists at one point, Danny from Denver, called me up. He was like, who's your t-shirt guy? When they were coming to Death Fest, they were like, who's your t-shirt guy? Let's get some t-shirts made in Baltimore. Who is your t-shirt guy? I only do scarves. I don't know. I have to look it up again.

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It's in Maryland, but it's not far from. Our t-shirt guy down in Charlottesville is not making me happy. I'm going to send you guys a link when we get off to where that shining scarf that I have came from because they've got Slayer scarves and stuff too and they're all really plush and cool. There's all kinds of weird gross and grody stuff like zombies or something. I wonder what the weather is. I like out of context you talking about

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I get off in scarves. I feel like this last little bit. Is it autoerotic

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asphyxiation? Whatever you're into, man, it's cool.

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That's why they have to change the carpet.

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I gotta wonder what the weather's gonna be like, if it'll be scarf weather or not.

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It's hard to say. It's always scarf weather.

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Alright. Well, I guess that will

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