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Metal Heads Podcast.

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Hello, and welcome to the Metal Heads Podcast.

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My name is George.

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This is Jay.

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This is Will.

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This is John.

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This is Matt.

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And we are joined today by Phil and Dan from Chemist.

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Welcome, gents.

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How are you doing today?

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Great.

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Pleased to be here.

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This is a nice way to end our work day. Yes. It's always better than actually having to be at work. Yep. And there's a beer in hand. And there's a beer in hand. That is the way we should do it. Let's just jump right in. You guys, well, we saw you back in May at Maryland Death Fest, but your album wasn't out yet. So it is now. It was released in June. And it was, I want to say it was quite a hit with most of us here on the podcast.

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our top 25 albums at mid-year. Desolation came in at a number three, a number two, and two number one spots. So expect to have your asses kissed tonight. Someone even lost our pants listening to it. Yeah. He was the outlier, or Jay. He didn't like it. You looked it up. I wasn't going to throw him under the bus, but... I just guessed.

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It's because I'm eating the sandwiches like this guy's not even paying attention to what I'm saying. No, I like it. And it's going to be higher on my year end list. I didn't spend enough time with it. But actually, we'll go ahead, George. No, I was just going to say that I was going to elaborate on what Will was starting to say was that when we did our lists, when I did my number one, which was desolation, Will took off his pants and dry humped me.

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So you were spared that. On the camera? On the camera? No. We were together. Yeah, well, we were here, yeah. Rather, he was here, he and John and Looch were here. It was quite sightly. Yes, but luckily the podcast is on the audio, so other than us, nobody had to see it. Are you 100% sure it was dry if he took his pants off? Well, okay. That is the term, but...

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You never can tell what was going on in those shorts. Big Willie style. When we saw you, I think you had heard it. It had been George. Yes. We got the promo the day before Maryland Death Fest and we were just binging on it. I got to say, personally anyway, it just keeps getting better. I just got a new set of high-end headphones and Desolation was what I used

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to test them out. Oh my god, it was so good. That's awesome. So yeah, Ask Kissing Commences. Well, I do want to say this climbing my list, but I want to tell you that I want to make sure I get the title right here because I'm terrible with song titles these days. Ma of Time is one of my favorite songs of the year. Awesome. Is that one standing out for other people too? Yes, I think it's made a good impression with a lot of people, it seems like. It's got kind of

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It's just so ballsy, dude.

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Yeah. It's funny because when we first did it, I think that chugging part is pretty different for us.

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And when we recorded it and then we heard it back, we were on tour, right? And we were listening to it. And I was like, oh, I honestly thought, I'm like, I don't know if anyone's going to like this song. I mean, I liked it, but because we had so much harsh vocals, because we were doing guitar stuff that we hadn't done, you know, it was like, Zach was the same way. He was like, I don't know. Is this going to work? I'm like, I don't know. We think it's a ripper, but yeah.

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I was kind of the only one initially I think that was like I think this could be one of the singles and after we finally heard the actual product after we recorded it and then I don't know we just had no idea what anybody would think about it other than that and when I brought that riff in initially that sort of main you know riff that you're talking about that their initial reaction was almost that it was like too jaunty or something and we had to like find a way to sort of make it work.

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We mellowed it out a little bit. It had a lot more pull-offs and weird things going on in it. Well, it's full of tension now. It's not jaunty at all. I mean, really, man. I do always have a list of favorite songs of the year. And so, yes, this record is going to be definitely my top 10 year-end. But that's probably one of my top three favorite songs of the year so far. That's awesome. Thank you. That's good, because on my list, it's definitely fallen like a stone. It's down to 17 right now.

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I assume that's where I had it. No, actually, it hasn't moved a bit. So what can you tell us about the making of this album in terms of how it differed from the last two? Or did you do everything exactly the same and it just came out different? Well, we definitely did more pre-production stuff. The songs were essentially recorded in a rough format front to back before we went into the studio. And I don't think we had done that before.

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And Phil even did his own solos, I think, for the pre-production stuff, right, Phil? Yeah, some of them. I did a lot more of that, and I did pre-production vocals that were recorded for every song, too, which I hadn't done in the past. So, yeah, there was just a lot more sort of preparation done before we went into the studio to kind of know what we were going to expect as the final product. A rough draft. Ben does a really good job, actually, of recording.

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the sort of rough version. He uses a click track and he makes Zach do a bunch of takes on drums. So we have a pretty good idea of what it'll sound like. And we definitely did more of that. I think our approach to writing the album was probably different than with Hunted, more than the recording process maybe. We just were in a space where we wanted to write kind of a more heavy metal,

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album with a little bit more aggression. Maybe a little less sad and more angry than the previous album. So those to me are the things that stand out as defining what makes this one different from the past ones. And we really wanted to focus on tightening up the songwriting as well. Making sure every song had a chorus that you could tell was the chorus. Things like that. Little tricks that

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for whatever reason aren't apparent to you when you're in a band or apparently to us like when we first did it and then have made more sense over time to think about things that way you know i say i appreciate that because i do feel like that art of having you know the like the chorus bridge whatever in the songs which is very prevalent back in the 70s and 80s maybe early 90s where you can say like you pick the song out like oh i know it's a song because i know this chorus yeah so i appreciate the fact that you guys

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that, because you can pick out the songs rather than like, oh, this is just some other meandering song that goes on for seven or eight minutes and there's no definable part in it. So for the lazy people. Not that I'm calling you lazy, Will. You guys can't appreciate it the way we can, I think, in a way. So what I mean is this sound is going away from you. It's coming towards us, you know what I mean? And so it's fun to watch a band develop like that, because while this is not at all reflective of your first two records, which I like very much,

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When you first start in a band, you're just glad you all start and stop at the same time. And then you can just start to hone things in. That's exactly true. You're in that third album. I have to tell you, I remember Forest Master of Puppets, you realize. We use that as an example constantly about what we wanted to do with our third album. That was sort of the benchmark that we set for ourselves.

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I think we made a stone cold classic that will go down in the history books as like changing the game.

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Just a hint for you guys now. Not to cut you off, I'm sorry, I gotta say this real quick so I don't forget. A hint. If you're using that as your benchmark, album 5, use album 3 as the template and not album 5.

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And don't get Bob Rock.

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Yes, okay.

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Oh come on, the production on that album rules.

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We'll talk about that later.

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Or maybe more.

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Yeah, right, that's coming up.

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Hey, Phil, if you like that album, it's a good thing you're going to leave after the interview because I'm going to eviscerate it. I didn't say I like the album. I said the production. Okay. All right. Not by any means do we think that we wrote the next Master of Puppets, but it was like that was our it was our personal, you know, I don't I don't want anyone to think that we're comparing Desolation to Master of Puppets. Yeah, yeah. Send in your hate mail now.

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That's where you should

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They said they sounded like Master of Puppets

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That's where they figured out

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what Metallica sounds like and showed

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everybody what Metallica sounds like

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and that's what I sort of

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mean by trying to do that

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with a third album

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I just didn't, you know, some other people

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might not have

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I use the comparison because Master of Puppets

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was their breakthrough album

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and I really feel like

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I think Desolation is a breakthrough for you guys. I mean, obviously you're seeing it more than we are, but it feels like it should be. Yeah, I would hope so. I think it remains to be seen, you know, that sort of plays out over a long term. But the response has been really good. And we sold a lot of albums right away, which is really cool. But, you know, really, it's about the long game and we have no idea what that looks like yet. Yeah. And I should mention that, obviously,

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the game is different than it was when Master of Puppets came out. There's definitely a different benchmark now. I'm not even sure there's a long game at all anymore. Everything lasts for 40 seconds. What remains to be seen is what does our top 10 list from this year look like 10 years from now. That's the time we'll sell part for sure. When you did the pre-production versions of the songs, did you find yourself

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going back, listening to it, and making any drastic changes to any of the songs? Or did you pretty much keep them the same? In the studio or before? George, are you asking? Do we make changes to the songs in the studio or while we were? Like when you went to go back and do the actual studio recordings that would end up on the album, did you listen to those pre-production versions and go, yeah, you know, maybe switch this around here or completely rewrite this part? Or was it pretty much,

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in stone by that point. Go ahead, Phil. Yeah, we actually changed quite a, I mean, not like a ton, but there's definitely like three pretty big parts that stand out as things that we changed sort of arrangement wise after we made the pre-productions. And part of that was after getting our producer Dave Otero's input when we were, you know, sitting in the studio, because, you know, we might be talking about like, okay, so what is this part supposed to be for the song?

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And then if what we set up in the pre-production didn't meet sort of what the goal of that part was, then we tweaked sort of the song structure a couple times so that it made more sense. So like an example is on the first song, Bloodletting, as soon as we come out of that sort of intro section, and then there's like a pick slide, and then we go into a riff. Originally, the vocals didn't like kick off right away.

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We played the riff that the vocals sit under two or three times or something, and kind of had two different feels for that verse where it sort of had a faster feel and then a slower feel. And we ended up essentially cutting that entire part and having the vocals come in right away. And it still has a feel change because the drums drop into a half-time halfway through the first verse, and the guitars do too, basically.

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But that was something that occurred a little bit later. So we sort of made it more immediate by having it come in right away. And then the same thing with actually with Maw of Time. We had sort of that intro section was actually longer and had it actually played through the complete riff that you hear under the solo in the middle of the song instead of just playing like half of it, which is what happens at the introduction basically now. So most of the time it was involved

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taking stuff out rather than adding anything. And we didn't write any new parts per se, I don't think. You wrote one tiny little part more of time. Extend that bridge a little bit. Right, yeah. So under that guitar solo, I wrote another cycle of riff or something that sort of changes and gets us back to the verse. You know, can I just say, being in a band myself,

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and everything.

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And I,

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the one thing I've learned.

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And at first I was like,

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well,

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you got to stick to your guns,

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everything you write,

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if you really want to let your stuff,

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honestly,

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it's too long.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And so you'd like,

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Oh,

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you're like,

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I don't need to do this six times before.

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You know what I mean?

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So like,

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so I think that's the number one lesson that we've learned over time is like actually doing something just one time or three times.

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It doesn't always have to be four,

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you know,

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like sometimes it makes a bigger impression if you just get a taste.

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Yeah.

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Well, actually, I do want that riff to go on longer, but that works that way. That's where some of the tension comes from. Can I just point out that Dan is wearing a Fandango t-shirt, which makes me happy about life? That's right. Well, it's Fandango Friday. The truth of the matter is I wear this shirt almost every Friday. Is that true? No, I'm not kidding you. Zach made this up. We listened to the first five ZZ Top records on Fandango Friday, and I do it pretty religiously.

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and so does Zach and probably everyone else in the band too for that matter. I think Jay just fell in love with you. I did, man. Did you guys know Sam Dunn who did the Headbangers Journey and all that is doing his Easy Top documentary right now? Oh no, shit, that's great. That's cool. That's amazing. Hey, quick question for you guys about the writing process. We were talking about that and talking about Metallica's third album, Master Poets. I heard on XM,

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XM the other day, I think it was Don Henley was talking about how he was hanging out with Bob Seger once at a club and they were listening to some band. And they were both like, this band is great. They're awesome. And Bob Seger leaned over and said, they'll go absolutely nowhere in their career. And Don Henley says, how do you know? He says, because they don't write any of their own music. They write nothing on their own. You have to write your own music. And Don Henley said, well, what if your music sucks? He's like, just keep writing. Eventually you'll figure it out. You'll write something good. So while I'm not saying that about

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your guys' music on the early albums. I'm just curious, did you find three albums in that it was easier? You know, that things came a little different, that it seemed more familiar, the writing process, that you didn't worry about. You used to work with each other. Right, and did things just seem more natural? Because I found Bob Seger, who, whether you like it or not, the guy's got, like, what, 532 top 40 hits, you know, in his career. Yeah, he's really good songs. I'll take his, let me take a stab at this first, Phil. Yeah, yeah.

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In some ways, back to what we were talking about earlier with Jay, in some ways with Absolution, I don't want to say that we stumbled into the song because that wasn't it at all. But like he said, early on we were just kind of stoked that we got something cool and it had multiple parts. Not to say that we didn't polish those parts and change them and try to refine it, but the songwriting for us has definitely been

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more deliberate, more conscious of what we're trying to accomplish. That being said, because we've been working with each other for three albums now, Hunted was probably the first one where it was very, very much collaborative. I think probably Absolution were 50% Phil riffs that he had written before. But yeah, because we're used to writing with each other,

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You kind of know

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when to say what

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and when to pitch out certain ideas

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and

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the cool thing about this band

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and our writing process is

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Phil and Ben

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being probably the main

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writers

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there's really no

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not ownership

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isn't the right word

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but they don't take a hard stance on

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this is how the riff has to go

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And if they did, it would be not only boring for them, but our songs wouldn't be as good. So I guess the short answer is we're more comfortable writing songs together. I wouldn't say the process has become easier because we're more deliberate about it. Going back to the same question, I would say that something that's changed over time is that all the things that Dan said,

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But also, like, you know, we have a bigger impression of what we want an entire song to sort of be. So from, like, you know, the first riff or two riffs or, like, little series of riffs that we have that's sort of the basis for the song, a lot of the time we start thinking about, together in the practice space, like, okay, you know, what does this,

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that dictates what the journey should be like for the song.

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I don't know if I'm the only one that does this, but I actually will draw a map of what I think the dynamics should look like for the song.

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Like a line graph, sort of.

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That's interesting.

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I try and think about like, you know, so we might be thinking about that. It would be really cool if we have another riff, you know, at this point in the song, but I'll often make the case like, I think that we shouldn't do that because the climax just happened in the song and it should go like to the denouement and like sort of be done rather than just adding something else for the sake of adding it, you know, or like, you know,

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We might put something in a place where it seems like the song should maybe lose some dynamics and then kind of build up again that would defeat that overall point. And so we'll often sort of like, you know, toss out what we think is like a really cool riff or something in place of trying to build to the dynamics that we're seeking to go to with the song. So that was something that I hadn't necessarily

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I think informed a lot of the decisions about how songs ended and sort of where the emotional

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peak of the song lies in every song this time. And that, you know, we're sort of just starting trying to put stuff together to have some new material as well. And that that's really on my mind there, too, is trying to leave space for the right things to happen at the right times rather than,

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Trying to shoehorn a bunch of riffs together and then seeing sort of what the dynamics look like of the song. Cool. Basically, you're turning into King Diamond is what you're saying because you're like following your, you know, in a bus kind of way. I wish. You're telling tales at this point, you know, and that can be completely sonically. It doesn't even have to be, you know, how do you want to put it? That the lyrics all have to have something to tie them in. You know, I think it's, I think what happens

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What happens is a lot of us are ruined by people in the best kind of way by people like Martin Birch. Like that's still I still think okay you have your fast opener and then you need to do Children of the Damned and then you're gonna need uh you know you know what I mean like I still think of records that way. Yeah yeah. Yeah so. We always have the the like epic final track we always try and have an opener that sounds like it's the opener we always try to have like the single be the second song you know um we definitely like. Dude that is that's Martin Birch all over the place.

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Yeah, totally. You know what's funny, Jay, when you say that? I absolutely hate a slow second song on an album. I want a first song that kind of sets the album up, then I want the second song to just come in. Like the last Wode album, you and I, Jay, are always talking about that second song on that Wode album. I'm just like, I want to just be crushed on the second song every time.

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That's a very viable outline that people use, too. I mean, we'd have to go and look at it. The Wode is a great example.

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But yeah, I love that. I love that weird history of, you know, I still, I say to this day, Martin Birch put a weird stamp on the sequencing of albums for many years after that, you know, because that's how we all think of it, you know? Yeah. I haven't even thought of that consciously, but yeah, you're right. Yeah, no, you totally made peace of mind, bro. On the songwriting subject, just quickly, I was wondering, do you guys find yourselves as constantly writing?

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Even individually? Or are you more kind of, does it kind of ebb and flow in terms of even stuff that might not be for chemists? I know that I always am writing stuff and like that it's not always things that would ever be in a chemist song. Sure. Like sometimes like I just want to pick up an acoustic guitar and write a nice chord progression or you know recently I've been kind of wanting to like write some sort of like dream poppy sounding like.

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stuff.

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So, I don't know.

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Who just kidnapped Phil? What happened to him?

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It'll come to us through his filter, Will.

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It'll be something you'll be like, oh, okay, yeah, this is cool.

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Kenneth's doing this.

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John, you would not want to have been at practice two nights ago where we started off with like dark wave, like a dark wave jam.

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I would have liked that.

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I'm totally down with all that stuff.

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I'm big on that, yeah. Now, Will, on the other hand. Metal purist. I, you know, I don't, I really don't, like, I should, because I could actually, I have some ideas that I could contribute for sure, but especially on Desolation, like, for me, technically, believe it or not, this was kind of a tough one to play. Also, the way we wrote it and some of the changes and just, you know, kind of where things were on the way.

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It took me a while. I practiced it a lot. And that's kind of what I was doing in my

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off time is just getting the songs really, really solid.

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One of the changes about, for me personally, going into the studio, to your earlier question, George, is

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I knew this material better than I've known any material

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up until that point.

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In Hunted Stuff, we were playing live before we recorded it.

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And I still felt like I knew Desolation better going in. So then after the album was recorded, I've been practicing a lot. And I've actually been going back and working on theory, positioning. I was going to ask. I'm not joking. He's been doing his homework. Well, I was going to say, did some people take some lessons or something? No, but take that with a grain of salt. Because I happen to know there's a point in the middle of Slayer's career where they went out and took guitar lessons. And the solos are a lot more sophisticated.

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on this record. Oh, Ben, for sure, like, just, I know he was doing, like, some Steve Vai, like, playing along to some, like, Steve Vai, like, shredding lesson videos and stuff to get, like, inspired, and it, you know, it influenced sort of what he decided to write for those, like, admittedly, my solos on this album were, like, easier than any of the ones I've done before, but I just kind of chose to, like, that's kind of what I'm

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I'm better at is like writing melodic things. Uh, so I sort of, I don't think that goes away from the sophisticated thing though. I think that the whole thing is more sophisticated. Let's put it that way. I feel like at MDF, one of you, and I think it was Dan told me that, uh, there was some concern about being able to replicate some of these songs live because there was some, uh, complicated parts. Am I, am I remembering that correctly?

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Yeah, I think what it was, George, was that when I first heard it all put together, and I heard, because, you know, Phil's vocal ideas going into the studio, we only had kind of a little tiny picture of him, and when I first heard it, kind of like you, I was, I mean, I hope you, I was fucking totally blown away. I was like, I don't know, like, Phil's vocals are so sick on this, and they're soaring all over the fucking place, and I was like, how is he going to do this?

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Not that I knew he could sing it. And I knew he could play it. And I was like, shit, we got to get this stuff together. We're going to play some shows here pretty soon. So it was, don't get me wrong, I didn't have any doubt. I knew we would do it. I probably didn't phrase that properly. No, it's okay. I knew we could pull it off, but I also was like, whew, we're in for a bit of a challenge here. Yeah, you asked a lot of yourselves. And that's why Metallica wrote

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the Black Album.

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Because they were complaining that the songs were too complicated.

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And thus we have the rest of their career.

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Well, speaking of shows, it sounds like you've had a pretty busy year.

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I mean, you did the Decibel Tour, you did Road Burn, you did Maryland Death Fest,

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Migration Fest, Heavy Montreal.

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I mean, come on.

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How's all of that been?

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I'd like to hear about all of these if you have the time.

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I mean, overall, the experience from this year has been insane.

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It's been easily, I think, the craziest year of my entire life, just because sandwiched in between all of this.

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We also recorded the album this year.

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That's right.

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Just maybe two days before we headed out for tour or something.

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So somehow in between all of that, I also wrote my entire dissertation and finished my PhD.

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So defended it. Did you have to defend it?

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Yeah, I defended it. Yeah, I did everything.

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Wow.

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So like I it's really just this gear is totally kicked my ass and but I have a lot to show for it at the same time.

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So I think that it all kind of blurs together to some degree just because of how busy I've been.

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But that like the like the enslaved guys for instance were just like the coolest guys to be with for a whole month you know no like not I hung out with them once before you're wearing an enslaved shirt you're a cheater we'll get to that I hate I hate bringing up this shit but I was with them once at the rainbow room in LA of all places and they they couldn't have been the nicest guys ever yeah they're a lot of fun to hang out with

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Yeah. No, like rock star shit. You know, they're just like normal guys who just like are really easy to talk to and funny and have a goofy sense of humor. And they just love being in a band together. It seems like. Did you talk fishing with any of them? Because they're huge. Yeah. Kato, the fucking drummer, was he was losing his mind. That's all he'll talk about. Yeah. He told me once he said, I'm going to go on vacation. I'm coming back to the

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the states just to go fish all over the western part of the country. I was like, have at it, my friend. You got tons of space.

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You know, he actually, I believe he has like a fishing, like television show. Yeah. So he's, he's no longer in enslaved. I think he's a full-time fisherman at this point. He just does that now. Yeah. It's awesome. That's awesome. Did you guys ever see John Candy's The Fishing Musician? Oh, I saw him when he did it with Aerosmith. I haven't seen this. How have I not seen this?

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It was on, what was the name of that show, John? It was Canadian. It was SCTV. Yeah, the Canadian television channel that everyone got all their starts on. Yeah, Eugene Levy and all those guys. And he used to do this thing called the Fishing Musician. It seems to me that they always used to end with, like they would say, let's say we're going to boil these up. Do you guys like fish? And they'd say, no, we don't really like fish. Sure was fun catching them. It was a funny bit. Anyway, so he's the Fishing Musician. I like it.

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I'll watch it.

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Yeah, you're in for it, baby.

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So yeah, look, so I'll take off where Phil, what do we do next?

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Oh, we went to Europe.

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That's it.

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Just a short...

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No big deal.

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Yeah, it was a big deal, making it sound all casual.

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But it was crazy.

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April, right after we got back from tour, I think we had like, what, three weeks maybe?

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And then we went over to Europe, and I think we were there for five days, maybe six, with travel.

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So it was a whirlwind.

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And we took the train everywhere.

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Trains and buses.

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We would never do that again.

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Like commuter trains with all of your gear.

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One, like everybody's crammed in there like sardines.

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And they're trying to bring their bicycles on.

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Yeah, yeah.

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One story is we're running late for a train.

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I don't know why, because we got there early.

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But we're running late for a train.

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And this woman, and I have my hands full of gear.

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Everyone does, right?

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I'm holding my pedal board and my base and all of us feel like our arms are about to rip out of their sockets because we're like four days in and shit's heavy you know so I'm in a bad mood we're running down the stairs we're trying to catch this train this woman's like she's got a double stroller and she's she's traveling Germany today by herself and she's like she stops and just she stops me or one of us or all of us and just like gestures like will you help me and I'm like

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God damn it. I'm like, normally I'm a very helpful person. I want to help this lady with two kids. And I'm just like, okay. And I put my stuff down and like help their carrier kids down the stairs, which normally I would do and feel great about. And in this case, because I was so burnt out, I was just like, okay, well, that was annoying. I got to go get my bass now and go get on this train. Yeah, but you say that, but I'll bet any money once you got on the train, you're like, man, am I glad I'm a bassist in this band and Elliot to carry a few things. Oh, yeah.

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My shit's heavier than the guitar player shit. Yeah, he's got the biggest case. Not the pedal board. Right, but you're not carrying a ton of drums around with cymbals. He just travels with a snare. He's got a rolling cymbal case. It's no big deal. There's an expression for that. He ain't no dummy. Let's take a few snares. A snare, a couple cymbals, yeah. I was going to say, I mean,

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The European, the travel with the trains is a pain in the ass with just a backpack, so I can't imagine having to lug gear back and forth. Yeah, when I was leaving Wacken last year, after having not showered for four days, I was covered in mud, stinky, sick, coughing like a TB patient, and I had to sit next to this old lady on the train from Hamburg to Berlin. I know it's funny, there's some old lady who lives in Berlin who's like, I had to sit next to this American guy.

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She was not happy at all. She didn't speak English. But her face said, you stink. You look like a bum. And you're coughing all over me. And this is the worst day of my life. To be fair, that's pretty much what I thought the first time I met you, George. We were friends. All those things. So yeah, traveling by train sucks.

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I already finished

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They Melvin IPA, just the old plain old gene. Melvin. I love Melvin. And now I'm drinking their killer, their blonde ale, Melvin's blonde ale. It's called Killer B's. Killer B's. It's all right. Melvin's definitely good at IPAs. I'll just say that. Where are they from? Colorado? Jackson Hole. Wyoming, yeah. Wyoming, yeah. I like Drunken Master. It's a good one. It's going to knock you right over, too.

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We have a couple of them. You ever have Moist drool? That's whitely named. That's a different one. That's Big Sky or something. That's Montana. Yeah, I had that when I was out there in Jackson Hole. I've had 2x4 by Melvin and loved it. Yeah, that one's amazing. They have another one. They have a new one out. I don't know. I haven't had it, but sorry to sidetrack. Who's next? What are you guys drinking? Will and John? We had John. Well, actually, you tell a story.

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C.T.R.

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Uh.

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Who also does probably the best. I can attest. He does the best Beavis and Butthead I've ever heard in my life. I swear it's like I'm listening to Mike Judge. As a matter of fact, just real quick, if I call him, he'll answer and be like, uh, hello? Every time. He got us something called Big Hugs from Half Acre Brewery. Oh, sweet. We love that place.

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Yes, and it's in the Bible. Oh, it is? Word of Truth Guide to Extreme Beers, Adam Depedell, our good friend. And then Will gave us this next one. So I picked this up at the store the other day. It's a Belgian quad. It's a collaboration between Duclaw up in Baltimore area in Maryland and a jury theory out in Percival. And it's called Oud, Rude, Ougen. Damn. Isn't that the beginning of an Offspring song?

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I was going to say, it sounds like they were drafted when they wrote that one down on the board. It could also be the beginning of an enslaved song, to be fair. Yes, good, yep. Well, it depends if it's Icelandic or Norwegian, right? And honestly, a Def Leppard song as well. That's a very interesting beer. I have one burning question that I have for both you guys. Hold on. Wait, wait, what's magic?

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I got to find out.

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He just got to pour some into a nice glass.

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Wait, who's Matt?

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I've already said my 21 words.

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I'm just going to go over a little bit.

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I'm still working on my luch beer.

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So I'm drinking a premeditated murder from New England Brewing Company.

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Nice.

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That's a good one.

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I still have a couple of luches left.

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I got Utopias in the mail the other day.

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You got it?

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Yeah, I'm going to have it tonight.

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Before we go any further, another administrative thing.

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Hey Matt, I'm going to gift you 42 more words, so go for it. Holy shit. Do I use them right now or can I just spread them out? You can save them for another day too if you need to. Yeah, they don't expire at the end of the episode. You're not supposed to talk, so now you're down to 27. I'll do sign language. No, I apologize, Matt. I know he's always joking because you're so quiet, but on our screen here, we got, I can only put

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I put four quads in. So I got Jay, Phil, Dan, and George, and you're the little circle up there next to our little circle. So I forgot you were there because you're so quiet. I didn't forget. Hollywood squares. On my screen, Jay is George's eye. So it's totally bizarre. So every time I look at George, he has like this person in his skull. It's pretty awesome.

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Like a steampunk kind of thing. It's like I have this eye with and Jay lives in there. Yeah. That was a little familiar. So other quick administrative things real quick. For God's sake, administration. Jesus Christ. I slightly apologize to the uninitiated, but Phil and Dan, my kids were in the room and they were going to ask you some questions. They have done that before, but they chickened out.

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They were all set to ask you questions. Can I ask one of their questions? Yeah, I'd like to ask one too. I'll ask one of their questions. They've asked this many times. Do you like pizza? Hell yeah. Pizza is probably my favorite food. Okay. We'll let them know. The other question they were going to ask you is, and this is a no shit question, they know. Do you like Ozzy or Dio?

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version of Black Sabbath better?

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Ooh.

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That's not a loaded question.

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I mean, I love it.

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It's Ozzy, for sure.

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I mean, Dio is an amazing replacement, but, you know.

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Black Sabbath is a replacement.

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Black Sabbath because of Ozzy.

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Yeah, the Black Sabbath I think of is the Ozzy one.

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So that's the right answer.

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Is Dio a better vocalist?

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Hell yeah.

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Yeah.

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Ozzy would tell you the same thing.

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Sign of the Southern Cross?

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I mean, come on.

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I will make a beer called that someday, I swear. Well, I think it's our pretty much mutually

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appreciated favorite Dio song, you know, granted it's Sabbath, but I mean, it really is. It's just like there's something special about that one. That's great. And then so Mike, sorry, George is like dying. He's like, I got questions I need to ask. Can we ask one? Yeah. I just wanted to get finished up some of the ones

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I wanted to talk about some of the shows more, but go ahead. Oh, no, no, go ahead. Let's finish. No, no, no. We're here. Do it. My major question right now is just, I'm obsessed now with the harmonics that is chemists. Like, what pedals, like, what gear setup? Like, get into the technical geeky stuff. Give away all your secrets. Like, what the fuck are you guys doing together that gives you that harmonics?

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I think you're using the word harmonics wrong and it doesn't mean I don't love harmonics.

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Yeah.

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You mean like when Zach Wilde goes, we, we.

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No, no, no, no.

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Like, I mean, I know you mean like the, like the harmonies on the leads and stuff.

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Yeah.

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Like there's, I know you have tool, you know, dual guitars and, but is there like a certain

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and the backstory to this is that my, my daughter who was in here earlier, she has now taken guitar lessons.

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My son, you can see the drum set behind us.

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He's taking drum lessons.

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He's four. And so I started picking up my guitar again and playing it for the first time in probably like 15 years. So like I'm nerding out on all these new guitars and I'm a total Les Paul nerd now, by the way, Jay. Good for you, dude. That makes me happy. But anyway, so like I'm just like I listen to your album. I just listen to the like how the harmonies like it just there's there's this melody and harmony.

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to the way you guys are playing.

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And I'm curious as to what...

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Is there a pedal?

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Is there a setup?

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Is it just like the dual guitar tones with the bass is harmonized or whatever?

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I'm probably using all the completely incorrect words, but how do you make that sound?

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Because Will is going to start a band called Chemist without an H, and he needs to know these things.

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Or Chemist with a T.

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Sorry, carry on.

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So a big part of it is probably the harmonic interval that we typically use for the harmonies.

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So the notes that me and Ben play together for a lot of the harmonies,

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it conveys a very certain sound that I think is identifiable with us.

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And the harmonic interval that we tend to use is not like the one that Iron Mating uses for the guitar harmonies.

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It's the same one that you would hear on At the Gates and In Flames. It's the same harmony style that they would use on that Swedish mellow death with twin guitars. So that's probably a big part of what you're talking about. That harmonic interval, the minor thirds that are being harmonized is a big part of it.

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So in other words, you're playing one minor, like you're playing one chord in whatever minor, and then he's playing the same chord but in a different... Sorry. Yeah, yeah. So essentially it's like basically what most of it boils down to is that anytime that you're hearing a harmony,

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I'm typically playing a note that's either three or four notes or semitones away from what he's playing. And that what happens is that if you hear Ben's guitar parts on their own, a lot of the time they sound very like cheery and major sounding. But when you combine it with the root notes that usually that I'm playing or that Ben or that Dan is playing, it creates a

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sound that's a little bit sinister, but also kind of melancholy sounding. And that that's kind of the sound of that harmonic interval that you create by playing the same pattern of notes, but changing the interval that you play them with on both guitars. This is fun to listen to. This is really, yeah. You're trying to explain it to Will, so you're like, I got a dumbass. Thank you. By the way, not explain to me.

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Yeah, no, we got a music lesson out of the deal. That maybe makes sense. Like, I don't know, but, you know, like, I get it. The guitar tones come from playing, we both play flying Vs, and we play through orange amplifiers very loud, and we use Black Arts Toneworks dirt pedals that give it a little bit more fuzziness, and I see that you got a little orange baby over there. Yeah, it's my daughter's. I bought that for her.

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And then Dan uses an orange thing too and has Black Arts Toneworks pedals also and that's kind of just like the chemist like guitar tone is like those things. It's not orange thing orange. What what what head is it? I use an 8200B and these guys use Rockerverb 100s. Yeah. I got a Rockerverb. Yeah, they're sick. Mark one, two or three. We have threes. Yeah, they're pretty new. I'm also my my computer is probably going to die.

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in like five minutes. So if I just like drop out, that's what happened. And I can't do anything about it. So you don't have a plug. I'm trying to use it, but it doesn't work most of the time. Well, real quick. Also, I'll just add that Phil's being a little bit modest. Like, you know, like we spend the last five years chasing tones and Phil works really hard. And so does Ben to make sure that their guitar tones complement each other, but they're not the same.

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Yeah, so just like an example of that really quick is that I use P90s as pickups in my guitar. So that's like a giant single coil pickup like what you have in a Fender guitar is what most people associate that with. So it's like a chimier, cleaner sound. And Ben uses humbuckers, which are darker sounding, and that's what a Gibson guitar sound comes from. And so the combination of the two things, they end up sitting

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in slightly different spaces on the spectrum of what you hear. So his guitar has more of a low-end grunt to it, and mine has a little bit more of a crunch or a sizzle, and those two things sitting together fills out the spectrum of sound a lot. And then Dan has a very authoritative, punchy bass tone that helps emphasize rhythm. So I think that that's how I'd describe

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how those three parts fit together. Yeah. Well done. Thank you. Very well done. It was fun to listen to you explain it to Will because you're like, the way he answered this question shows he doesn't know a lot, so I'm going to have to kind of wind my way around here. I don't. I'm learning. I'm becoming a... I'm becoming... Like, my whole life is beaten out with my kids and everything, taking drum and guitar lessons. My whole life is being wrapped around, like, more into the...

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I'm starting to learn to read music. And who's teaching me? My seven-year-old daughter is teaching me to learn music on a guitar. This is becoming more of my life, so I'm just curious. Will's becoming a gear geek. Yeah. Well, you're going to know more about music than me then, so go for it. So back to the shows. Yeah, at the least I want to hear about migration and Heavy Montreal, if you could.

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Go, Phil, because you might drop off. Okay, I'll just say that migration is probably the most fun. I think both times it's been a family reunion, and it's just been a really good time for everybody. You can tell that all the bands like being there, and they really care about everybody that's there. They have free water, and that's a small thing that goes a long way. With Heavy Montreal, I just think that felt like the

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the most ridiculous,

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like kind of star studded thing that we've done just because like we had our own little

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trailer backstage and,

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uh,

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you know,

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had our,

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like our name on it and stuff.

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And then like,

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it was right across from sleeps and like trivium,

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you know?

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So it was like,

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we made it guys.

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Um,

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yeah.

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And these were both the same weekend.

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Were they not?

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They were.

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Yeah.

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Same day.

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I like to think that trivium is like,

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Oh,

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we made it.

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We're next to the chemist trailer.

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Yeah.

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You know what's funny though?

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Tell him Dan.

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Yeah.

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On that comment, Ben and I were walking in the little trailer park, the little trailer area, and the dude from Trivium stopped us. And by us, I mean he stopped Ben because he's very recognizable. And he stopped us to tell us that he loved the album. He's like, I love your album. And we're just like, oh my god, the singer from Trivium stopped us. We didn't stop him to be like, hey,

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He stopped us and that was a huge compliment. I noticed he didn't say we didn't stop him to tell him how much we liked his album. That's got to be a bit of an awkward moment. You know what I mean? No offense, man. I doubt you guys like trivia. Maybe you do, but that must be hard to have. You guys fucking rule. I must be like, hey, thanks. It was kind of like that, but honestly, Jay, it was at his insistence. He was just like, we're all jamming it and we think it's great.

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and keep up the good work. And then we kind of went our separate ways. No, and that's very cool. That's very cool. It was cool. I mean, it was just, you know, just to be on the radar of a band that's like that much bigger than us was very complimentary. Well, or the Washington Nationals or whoever else appears to be. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. That guy blew the hardest save here. I think it was against the Rockies. He gave up four runs in the ninth. And, you know, I see I root for him.

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Are you talking about Ryan Madsen? Yeah, I'm talking about Madsen. And I was like, alright, here comes Madsen, even though he's playing the Rockies and I'm supposed to root for the Rockies. So, Phil, you have to tell the story because the rest of the audience doesn't know what we're talking about. I don't think we've talked about this on... Phil's frozen in time. He's like either really bored... No, his computer died. Okay, so I'll tell the story on his behalf real quick. So we found out that Madsen, Ryan Madsen,

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was when he was at home he was walking in when he got called from the bullpen he was walking into above the water um which was really cool in and of itself like i'm a huge baseball fan i actually remember ryan madsen when he pitched with like the fills and the a's and yeah he was in the phillies yeah so um so i was stoked and i mean like i knew the player and i'm a huge baseball fan and i know like this whole walk-in procedure i had to tell the other guys because they're not

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But then Phil was in D.C. for work this season. Yeah, so Phil was in, when I met up with him at Atlas, he was at the baseball game the night before that I saw him. Right, so he went to the Nationals game with some family, strangely enough, that he has out there. And, you know, he knows about the song.

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He didn't tell his family anything. So I think Madsen either closed the game or came in in the 8th. Oh, that's awesome, dude. And sure enough, Phil's sitting there, and he saw Madsen warming up in the bullpen, so he turned on his phone to film, right? So he's got his phone on the outfield, and Madsen comes out, and the song starts, and Phil's like, holy shit, you can hear him. I watched the video. He sent me the video.

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right away, like that minute. And he's like, holy shit, holy shit. He's like, hey, hey, to whatever his family is. He's like, this is me. And he's like, this is my band. And they're like, what? He's like, yeah

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He got a phone number of one of the other players who I guess is a real metalhead and I know his name. I just can't remember. Doolittle. Is it Sean Doolittle? Yeah. Also another reliever too, I think. Yeah. And former A, I think too. But anyway. That's why I know. Yeah. Okay. So Dave Edelson, who runs 20 Buck Spin, is a huge A's fan. And this is why I know the A's because he and I talk about baseball. The owner of 20 Buck Spin and I text about baseball.

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Are they on Oakland? About music. They're in Pittsburgh now, Jay. Yeah. Oh, I'm an ace fanatic, man, but go ahead. I live out here. So yeah, you should get a scarf. He made some connect. He made some connection with either Doolittle, and I believe he does have Ryan Madsen's number in his phone. And I think we were supposed to try to get together with Madsen when he was in town, but I don't think Phil was. I think Phil was out of town.

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Anyway, the point of the story is Phil got to sit at Nationals Park or whatever they call it and hear himself come over the thing. And then I asked him if he sang along because how weird would that be to sing along with yourself at a baseball game? You guys are officially stadium rock now, man. AOR, baby. It's funny because when Phil and I met up like a day after the game,

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because he was in D.C.

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So him and I went to the brewery and saw a show.

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And we were talking about that.

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And he started telling me this story.

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And I told him, like, the year earlier, I was at a Nats Phillies game here in Nationals Park.

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And I heard the song, too.

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And I was like, what?

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Like, I was blown away.

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And the coolest thing to me about one is that most of the time you hear the music when the players come off the bat or the come in the bullpen like there may be some rock but it's usually like radio friendly rock or whatever it's like a song you know but like I've never heard someone play something that like speaks to me in the metal that I listen to.

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And the coolest thing is, I sent out a Twitter, literally instantly, I'm like, holy crap, I'm at the Nats Phillies game, and above the water just came on. And the coolest thing about it is that they didn't just play the first four notes and it's like, oh, no one knows what it is. They played a good, I would say, minute of the song. Because, you know, I guess he doesn't run and he walks in. Yeah, right. He's coming from behind the fence outfield.

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It went on for a while. I was like geeking out. And I showed when I was with Phil here in D.C., I showed him the tweet that I sent. I was like, oh my God. But I never knew who it was. I was there with my family and friends and stuff. I didn't know what was going on. I just knew that above the water was on the loud sea. He's been doing it for about a year. I think the first time we heard about it was around July maybe or so of

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last season. So he's used it for a while. I don't know if he still uses it, you know, because they do change their songs, baseball players. But, you know, I mean, it's a huge honor just to be on someone's radar like that. And then again, I watched this one Phillies game. I took some someone told me about it. I have the MLB TV package because I'm a huge nerd and I watch tons of baseball games. And I was like, I found the Phillies or I found that. Sorry, the Nationals game.

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I found this thing, whatever. So the point is that they did it. Not only did they play it while he was coming out, but they did a segment, a television segment, where they're talking about, like, this is what happened so far and whatever. And the song's playing the whole time. I was with my kid, you know, watching on our television, and I'm just, like, losing my mind. I'm like, can you believe this? And she's like, Dad, all right, you know. Get over yourself. The excitement was over 30 seconds ago, but I was like, this is what I'm going to do.

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This is the coolest thing ever. So, um, you know, just, oh, that game had about 40,000 people at it. And that's what I was thinking. It was like, holy shit. Oh, and then the Nats made the playoffs last year. And I was like, oh my God, like that place is going to be packed. Probably holds 44,000 people. 44,000 people are going to hear 30 seconds of above the water. And that is pretty cool by me, man. On a much smaller scale. We were, we were at the temple of void show at Atlas recently, and they said our name on stage.

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That was our three seconds of fame with like 20 people, you know. I know, I'm just kidding. I do find it kind of funny that there are this many baseball fans, because I'm a lifelong baseball fan too, all sitting in one room together. That's pretty rare. What's bad is that it's really hard for me not to shift us completely towards baseball right now.

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now because of what's going on with the A's. Moving on. I do want to say this. We're two games back. We were fighting for a wild card three months ago. Now we're two games back from first place and we're playing the Astros tonight who are in first place. It's getting good, dude. And tell me you didn't see that Laureano throw. Jesus Christ. I did. I see all those. We saw Jay and then you sent it and we saw

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I give Jay a hard time because I'm from the Bay Area also, but I'm a Giants fan. And Jay's excited about the A's, and rightfully so, because they're having a great year. And I'll just always be like this. Eh, A's have been okay. The Giants have been a little better recently. Have they made a movie starring Brad Pitt and Jonah Hill about the Giants? I don't care. They can make movies about the other 29 teams all they want.

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I'll take the World Series. I think every single baseball fan here would say the same exact thing. Hey Dan, so are you a Rockies fan? No, I'm a Cubs fan. I'm from Chicago. Oh yeah, we knew that. Don't get me wrong, I am a Rockies fan and also a season ticket holder. That's not where your heart lies. No, I just go there to take my kid to get hot dogs and stuff. Yeah, go to a baseball game. Drink a beer? Yeah.

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beer at the stadium there? No. Really? It's called Coors Field. No. Well, no, the reason why I know that. But I know like Nat Stadium is actually up the game for the beer that they have there. I've got some good stuff. I like to point out to everybody that we, so we made a beer a year and a half ago, whatever, called Hasawodo. Hasawodo stands for,

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Hail Satan Worship Doom. And it's called the Satanic Saison. It's a black Saison that we made. And we served it in Nats Park. Wow. Oh, nice. I love that stuff. That's very cool. And there's all these people. And I'm like, literally, I'm in the stadium. And I'm drinking one. And I see all these other people drown me drinking one. This is wonderful. Oh, this is great. I'm like, you're drinking a beer called Hail Satan Worship Doom. Satan in every cup. Which is named after the Bond Ripper album. What was cool,

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The final nail in the coffin, so to speak, was that Bong Ripper actually played Atlas a couple weeks ago. We made the beer again for them. Nice. I know. The beneficiaries two weeks later? A week later? Yeah. Did they play it after Migration, Will? Did they come up there or before? Like in that run? Yeah, yeah. It had been. We played with them at Migration. You would think like a name like Bong Ripper, they're just like, I'm thinking like they're like the guys

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from Bongzilla, where they were high as a kite, their eyes are as big as watermelons, and like, no, like, so they didn't show up in Spicoli's van, is what you're saying? No, no, well, actually, they showed up in a van, they had a dumpster van, because their battery died after the show, but the absolute nicest guys in the world, the most normal, like, the, um, what's the lead guy, I think his name's Dennis, I have his, uh, I didn't know you were called Dennis, but also, I'm

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I've seen something along the lines of the,

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hello.

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Yes,

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we are from the band bong ripper.

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We're looking for the manager of this establishment.

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Uh,

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we're playing.

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Yeah.

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No,

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but they were like the nicest guy,

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like all sort of,

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they,

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they broke,

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they broke all sort of like whatever stereotype you would have had of them with that name.

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Yeah.

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Super nicest.

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Chicago bands have that,

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that thing going.

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Like,

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uh,

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I don't know if you ever saw weekend nachos before they broke up,

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but if you've ever listened to weekend nachos,

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and you saw them, you would be like, this is not, you would never have guessed. They look like they're pretty straight-laced looking guys. And then they just play this insane music, you know? Somebody here on the show is a big Weekend Not Shows fan. Who is it? Okay, maybe it was somebody else we interviewed. Yeah, Dan. Hey, Dan, let me ask you a question. Were you guys approached about Decibel West Coast? We were approached about Decibel West Coast. Because they're playing. Has it been announced already? We're playing.

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Oh, I'm sorry. You know what? I beg your pardon. Yeah, I knew that. You know, it's funny. We're waiting for the second round. Oh, yeah. That's coming. I just got an email about it. It's coming soon. Like, any day now. When are we getting ours? They're going to announce the third one, too. That announcement's coming, too. They're not going to take any attention away from the West Coast one. They're going to wait. Of course not. I know that. Are you going to be like the Decibel House band? Are you going to come out and do the Philly one, too?

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No, I don't think so. Hey, Dan, do you want to do the DC one? There is an DC one. Oh, I'd love to do that. Anyway, John, real quick, of course I can't tell you who's playing the East Coast one, and I don't know all the bands, but I know a couple, and it's sick. Just go ahead and get ready to buy your ticket. Oh, we're going anyway. Hey, Dan, I think we're at

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Are we at 10 people now? For our group? Something like that, yeah. We're close to 10 now, I think. Oh, nice. We're going to be like the street gang, like walking through the venue, like taking people's beers. I'll be honest. Stumbling through the venue. I'm a little disappointed you guys wouldn't be there because I don't know if you've heard, I don't know if you mentioned it at MDF, but we took over the whole lobby of the Sheridan and Society Hill in Philadelphia. There was a kind of couch area.

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I watched some of your video actually. It was a shit show of just bands and beers for the whole weekend. I think we missed a couple bands on Sunday because we were just sitting there drinking beers with all these bands. It became a destination spot. It's the official fest of the park. Maybe I'll just come out and hang out. I was going to suggest that. Now we have 11. Zach's going to be there, right? Oh yeah, Zach will be there.

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We'll go to 11.

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Ben's at Psycho right now, and he's proposing that we make that a band trip, whether we be there or not.

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I have to tell you, man, I had to be somewhat economical with time and money, but I really am disappointed that I didn't get out there to see Witchcraft.

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Yeah, I thought you were going, and I was like, wait, is Jay going to be here tonight?

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Nah, I did want to go. Matt sort of hinted he might go, but then I think that's a little too good.

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Yeah. And really, like, witchcraft just does not come over here, you know? And so it's too bad. But should we, is there some more kind of specific questions you want to ask? Because we should also probably transition to a regular episode. Yeah. I have a festival tip. Wait, hold on. Matt, did you have one? Oh, I just, if we, just on the festival tip, Dan, can I get your thoughts on Roadburn, both as a performer and just as what it was like in general as a festival? Oh, yeah.

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Yeah, that's a great... I'm glad you actually came back on that because, first of all, it's organized so well. It's just like, I don't know, man. It just feels perfect in a way. You walk down the street and there's Grutla from Enslaved sitting there drinking beers. It's just this huge heavy metal family. That's really what it felt like. That's the first part. The town is great.

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The venues are great. Everyone's really professional, but in a laid-back sort of way. And I just can't tell you, like, the vibe there was not only super unexpected, but certainly better than anything I could have expected. So we just had a great time. And we saw, you know, sick bands. It was insane. It always, to me, it seems a lot different than your typical European festival. Like, I don't know. To me, like, when I look at it from the outside,

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It seems like it's a little bit more intimate

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It has a little bit more thought put into it

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Just especially like how every year they have kind of a curator aspect of it

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And it's a little bit earlier in the cycle, right?

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More like in an April timeline

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It is early for all the European fests

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I haven't

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You know, I haven't played any other European fests

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Other than Doomfest, which was on that same trip

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But I can tell you that

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You know, having played, you know, some other stuff

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Including Montreal more recently

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Exactly what you said, intimate is the exact right word. The town is perfect for it, and they're just very welcoming. I can't tell you how many people I met where they're like, oh, this is my ninth year. Americans, too. People just, they're like, this is the one to come to no matter what every year. The way it's structured, the way the venues are structured, it just creates this really cohesive kind of feeling there.

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So, man, I can tell you, that is, if I had the money, actually, I probably do have the money, if I could get my shit together, that's the best I would go to every year. You know, I would go to Roadburn every year if I could, play or otherwise. I feel like every year I give a little bit more thought to it. Of course, I don't do anything about it, but I just keep thinking, like, at some point I'm going to do it. But Matt does Valken every other year. Oh, well, that's a bummer. Maybe it could be like in every other, you know, Valken.

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Yeah.

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It's terrific, man. I really like it. Thanks for asking, because I loved it. Great experience.

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So, with all these festivals and stuff that you've been playing, have you noticed a difference in how you're being received by the fans compared to, you know, last album cycle?

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Sure. Yeah, I think so. Gosh, that shouldn't be a tough question, but the crowds have varied.

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It kind of depends on when we're playing, what day we're playing, who are the other bands that we're playing with. So not to skate that answer, but yeah, I guess, to be perfectly honest, I've seen the reaction from the crowds has been pretty sick. In Migration, it was excellent. People knew the words.

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to a level that was borderline uncomfortable in Chicago.

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Well, when we were at Maryland Death Fest, Albert Mudrian was up there in the front banging his head and singing all the words.

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Yeah, that's good to know. Chicago, we did a release show in Chicago for the album. We did two, well, three, I guess, including a local one.

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But we did a release show in Chicago. And it was a good crowd. But the people who were there, it wasn't capacity or anything like that. But the people who were there fucking knew every word. And it was freaking me. It really was freaking me out. Especially the new stuff. I don't even think blood or maybe bloodletting. Isolation and bloodletting were out, right? And these people knew every word.

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And I don't even know all the words to those songs, man. So as a bass player, I was like, yeah, whatever, I know the change. But it was, don't get me wrong, I'm very grateful for that, and it's a very humbling thing, but it is a little unnerving at first, you know. So now that we're getting to this point where people know all the lyrics and stuff, it's a little transition, you know, where it's like, oh, cool, this is cool, I gotta get used to this people, you know, pumping their fists, you know.

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at the right time and all that stuff. You're kind of an it band, man, right now. You really are. That's the way I feel. Was there a review in decibel yet of the new one? I'm sure. I couldn't remember. We got the feature review. Yeah, where they get the cartoons. Yeah, I remember. Zach was so bummed about his cartoon. Oh, really? That's awesome. It's really bad.

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If you guys remember, it's really bad. He's actually a handsome motherfucker, but this picture is like real bad. Do I look like that? You guys got at least a nine, right? I think it got a nine. Yeah. Hey, tell Zach it's not the Machine Head review. Oh, yeah. It's just the uncluttered image. No, the review was wonderful. It was the picture. And although, you know, I own the picture, by the way. I bought it. I bought the original. Yes.

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But in the artist's defense, he got all the features and stuff right. It's just like the way it came together. Exaggerated. You don't even have to say, dude, if anybody ever characters me and it's been done, but I mean, just by like, you know, like a brother-in-law or something, it's all about the nose. You know what I mean? Same. Same. And while I don't think of myself as a big walking nose, you know, I think it's most people remember. I don't think of you that way either, Jay. I think of you a walking nose.

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I get more focused on your vampire fangs.

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Oh, I get really tearin' J apart.

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I never notice those.

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No, really?

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That's legit.

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That's the way I was born.

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Because you're always looking at his nose, that's why.

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Yeah, see, it distracts from the other features.

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Dan, have you read a negative review of the new album?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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What?

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A couple, actually. One's from this guy who I should know because other people read what he writes. I don't know if he's an online magazine kind of thing or a blog or whatever, but he hates us. He kind of always has. It's starting to actually appear to be personal in a way. He's latching on to stuff and bringing it to the forefront.

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But yeah, there's a couple people who hate the mixture of the two vocal styles. Always have. Come on. If you have not gotten to that point in metal now, that's your problem. Yeah, yeah. They don't like that. Or maybe they just don't like Ben's vocals or something. Which, by the way, I don't know if you noticed, they're so much better. I mean, they're really good. I've noticed that. And he's doing the high and low parts, you know?

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I mean, it's sick. I mean, it makes my skin crawl. That's how good it is. You know, I would say the most and take this as a compliment. The most improved thing that I've seen on from record one, two and three is I just think that Phil's vocals have just gotten better and better and better and better. And I'm and I can I'm only saying that as a novice because I can't really comment that much on the guitar or bass.

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And drum playing, but his vocals are just awesome. And in fact, on Flesh to Nothing, I think his vocals are just un-fucking-lap. And literally at that 5 minute 15 second mark where he's just belting out this like, and I! And I was like, I get goosebumps. It's my favorite song. You know that, what song is it? Is it Mav Time or is it, what's the other one with a lot of heavy vocals?

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We only played it at the... I can't think of the song title. I can tell you what the working title was. Seer? Seer. Yeah, the Seer. And there's a part where... Thanks, man. There's a part where there's heavy vocals, and then the clean vocals start to overlap. Yeah. And Phil just takes off there. Shit, dude. I mean, I know it's my own band, and I'm not supposed to be freaking out about it. It blew me away when I first heard it. I was like, holy shit. So yeah, I agree with you, Will. Phil... God, man.

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I mean, you know, I love him because he's like my best buddy, but what he does for this band and the work that he puts in and the way he pushes himself, you know, we were talking about his year, you know, he got his, he's a doctor. He got his PhD in the last, like, Dr. Rochster. No, Dr. Phil.

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No, Phil and I, we were in the back of the brewery at Atlas, and we had like a 45-minute discussion why these black, the Russian black metal band Pseudo-God is playing, and him and I had this discussion about it. And he charged you. In-depth about his PhD on recidivism in U.S. prisons, or mostly Washington State or something like that, and it was like, it was the most fascinating fucking conversation I've had in a long time.

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And he'll have that same conversation with you about Russian black metal if you want. That's probably what he does when he goes to conventions with other sociologists. He talks about black metal. They can turn it into a career like Sam Dunn. Sociology. Anthropology. So I think we got sidetracked from the question. I don't remember what the question was.

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That's never happened to us before. No, never. Never. The question was, do you like pizza? Yeah. Yeah. Have we walked it that far? I think they said yes. So I wanted to know, with all these shows and festivals that you've been doing, how is that working with balancing these jobs? Because I know, I think last time you guys were on, we talked about what everybody did.

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you guys were basically using vacation time to go on tour, but it seems like that might have exceeded that this year.

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It's still tough, but it's tough for every band, man.

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There are no...

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It's not 1988. It's 2018.

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And the bands that kick the most ass still more than likely have a job

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in a living situation that they go back to. In the days of just raking dough while you're on the road for nine months, it happens, but not to underground metal bands. Even mainstream metal bands. It's just not the same world. Have you had to get creative to make things work? Yeah. I work on the road sometimes. Ben works on the road sometimes.

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Sometimes we eat bologna sandwiches. It's the same. Our careers are a little bit different than most bands, I guess. And that's why there's a lot of attention paid to it. But the title at the top of your job, at the end of the day, it's just job. So we all have jobs. And everyone who makes sacrifices for the music that they play, they have jobs.

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and it's a struggle. I know my friend Reed Bremer from Speedwolf. He'd go on tour and they didn't have even as big of an... even though they're a super great band and should have had a huge audience in their time. They'd go on tour and when he came back he would have lost his job. They're like, oh, we needed a bartender and we couldn't make it work and someone couldn't work so I had to hire somebody.

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Yeah. It's a shame. And it's sad. I mean, it is what it is. It's the sign of the times and all that and things have changed, technology and all that. But we were talking about that fairly recently. And I have to say, like, I mean, I personally, on your behalf, find that too bad. Because think of how much more you could do if you could really just focus on this. You know what I mean? Right. I mean, you've already taken these great leaps and bounds. I mean, so, but it's also reassuring that you, it's still completely

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It's really worth it to you. It's, yeah, and it is our focus. I mean, I'll tell you, you know, my partner will tell you, my daughter will tell you, like, the band's number one priority, unfortunately. And, I mean, you know, if it really came down to it, obviously I would choose my family. But all of us, Phil and Ben and all of us, band first, you know, family second, job third. That's how we're doing it. But, you know,

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There are certain things that just don't necessarily make sense. Like, yeah, we're willing to make some compromises and some sacrifices, but we're not just going to do, like, you know, we're not going to go get in the van right now and play, like, you know, small market towns all over the country. No, dude, no. Because it just doesn't make sense for us. You'll come out in the negative. You know, you can't. What's the point? Right, and I think actually everyone else, I think even the listening people, you know,

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I think that people want to hear us. They'd have a better time driving from Cleveland to Pittsburgh and seeing us at Migration Fest than seeing us at some bar in Columbus or something. You know what I'm saying? Also, that model just doesn't work. You used to do that with purpose. You were getting your name out there and it eventually could lead to some sort of career. But that's not what it's about anymore. It's just like they say, you used to go on tour to support your album. Now you release an album to support your tour.

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But even at that, there's no such thing anymore as, well, we played all the dives and we did our time. Playing the dives doesn't get you anywhere anymore. Right. And we have played all the dives. Of course, yeah. We're just not going to do it every year. Yeah, but it's also not going to, it's never, there's not like a payoff at the end. And so, it's still not fun. It's just, the landscape has changed so much. It really, really has. And to clarify, and I know you mean this, but payoff is, of course, has nothing to do with money, just a

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You know, I mean, I have a client. He's getting pretty pissed. I've been working on this same project for a while, and he's like, he's at the end of his rope.

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I pushed it as far as I possibly could. And this is the first month that we've had off this year where we're not doing anything in August. And so, you know, I'm doing the same thing everyone in our band is doing, and everyone in every band is doing. When they get home, they have a month there's cramming, you know, like I'm working my ass off. And I know that's what we're all doing, you know, especially Zach. He's making a lot of beer. Beer, good. Yeah, yeah. I agree.

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I tell myself, and I don't know why, but that he might have the most flexible kind of situation. You know, Nick, the owner of True Brewing, is a metalhead. Yeah, it's very nice. He's very supportive of Zach in that way. I'm speaking for Zach. I hope I'm not saying this wrong, but my understanding of their situation is as long as we get as much beer as we need, you can do this stuff.

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And so, um, that's nice. Yeah, that's true. It's true. I believe they're coming out to the West Coast, aren't they? They are. Is that going to have to pull double duty then? Double duty. He's kind of seen in Truing. Yeah, he'll be all right, Jay. He did it at the first, uh, decibel fest in Philadelphia. Fair enough. He can do it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we flew, we flew in. Yeah. We flew in for that one. This one, we're driving out. You know, what's interesting about that is,

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I feel like Nick from True should probably pay the band some money because we're getting... Wait a second. Hey, do you have a... Do you know what... Are you going to go a couple days ahead of time or anything? Or are you just like in and out? No, we're... We are doing a little five-day run with the Black Dahlia murder. All right. And there's a... Let's see. One day with them and...

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There were two other bands that are actually cool. And I think one or more of them might be playing Decibel as well. And then one or two days with them. And then we pick up Power Trip and Pig Destroyer. And so I think we play two shows with Power Trip and Pig Destroyer. And then we play Decibel. And then they're going on Sunday to play San Diego. And we're not going to play that day. We're going to stay and watch Trypticon.

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I had the good fortune to see that last, you know, version of Celtic Frost. And I am, this is once in a lifetime stuff. I mean, I just can't believe I'm going to be there, by the way. So we're planning on going. Albert told us what was happening at MDF, you know, so but we weren't on the we weren't on the lineup then. So he told us what we're going on and we're like, OK, we're going to be there.

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So we had all planned on going. We were going to go anyway to this one. But then, you know, luckily we got added to the festival. It's awesome. Perfect. Yeah. Well, we're going to, a couple of us are going to sneak off and have a drink down at the Rainbow to see Lemmy Statue if you want to be inclusion. Oh, yeah. I have Zach's number and stuff, but we'll touch base when you're out there. Hey, Jay, do me a favor. Don't go to Statue first. Go to the video game first. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

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Look for that first. I've done it. Jay, I went there right away. Oh, good. Sorry. It's very cool. Every time I'm in LA and I'm in that area, I definitely make it over there. I've seen the statue before. If you're hungry, go to North LA and go to Gorilla Mall. One of the guys from Trac is Gorilla Mall. It's a heavy metal theme. It's kind of like Kuma's Corner in Chicago. It's a heavy metal

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I went there when I was in the Marine Corps out at 29 Palms, California. I made a trip into L.A. just to go there. Nice. Matt was going to... Oh, I was at the Rainbow in April, and I made it kind of like a pilgrimage trip for myself. It was just like, there was barely anybody there, mostly just the people working, and I was still just like, God, how am I not going to look like a total dickhead trying to take a selfie with a statue? You know what?

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You and every other dickhead does it. Exactly. It's like when I went to Philly to run the Rocky Steps, the Steps of the Library. I did that. I was like, I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. It's just going to be me. I go there and there's like 400 people running up the fucking steps. There goes my moment. Of course, the Rainbow too, though, there's a lot more history there than GIFs. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. I just like going outside of Lemmy's Lounge into the restaurant. I loved it.

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It had like this, I don't think to me, it felt like a German Northwoods kind of divey loungish type feel. And I mean, I was in love with it. I could have said it. Richie Blackmore named his band after that bar. That's not a joke. That's where Rainbow came from. And, you know, and the Hollywood vampires used to play there and stuff. I mean, the original Hollywood vampires and just everything. Everybody used to go there. Oh, yeah. The whiskey's right over there. If you go down a little bit further, you can see the the the right house, which has been renovated. But it's they're all. Yeah. The Roxy's next.

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So we played the Roxy with Oathbreaker on the Oathbreaker tour.

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And then, yeah, and then, you know, I've been in the Rainbow a few times.

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Mostly Lemmy hunting, you know, like before he had passed.

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That guy was telling you about Reed from Speedwolf.

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You probably, if you've heard Speedwolf, you know that they like Motorhead.

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So every time we were in California, he's like, okay, here we go.

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We're going to Rainbow.

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We're going to find Lemmy.

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And I don't know that he ever met him, but he never was at the Rainbow when I went with him.

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And I've heard that the rainbow's being torn down. Have you heard this? No, I haven't. Yeah, get your trip in. I'm pretty sure I heard a rumor anyway. Yeah. There's a brilliant rumor to put out there. If you just want to drum up more. Yeah. If you do it at all. Yeah. Drum up more business. That's right. I went to CBGB before that. You know, dead. Good move.

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Was it still the same though, George? Or was it like a coffee shop or something at that point? Well, there was the club, and then next door there was a shop of some kind. Okay, I'm just curious. I mean, yeah. Do you remember what that stands for? I used to know. Country, Bluegrass. Yeah. Because this was the original intention. And then something for uplifting gourmandizers. Yeah, yeah. Other music for uplifting.

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Yeah, that's it. Dan, are you sticking around for the episode? Yeah, I can stick around. All right. Well, I have one last question that I can transition us with if everybody else is done. Basically, just what's the rest of the year? Like for the band, you know, you said you're taking off August. Do you have more shows coming up? I'm guessing you're probably not jumping into a new album yet, but show wise. Well, we on Wednesday started working on

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a few ideas for album stuff, which was exciting. Even though, I mean, we probably spent a half hour on it. It was like, you know, but anyway, I'm excited about it already. I don't know why. This last one took it out of me, but yeah, it's good. So as far as schedule for the album, there's no schedule. We're just, we're just going to, you know, play Desolation songs for a while and see, see how things go.

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We are, you know about Decibel Metal and Beer in December, Black Dahlia Murder, four or five dates with them leading up to. And then prior to that, we're playing with Carcass at Surly's Fast. What do they call it? Darkness Day? Darkness Day. That's my neck of the woods. Oh man, it's going to be so cool. I couldn't believe they asked us to do it. We said yes because we love those guys and we love their beer.

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And we played it before and it was a really fun time. And then they're like, so what's the lineup? You know, like, what are we doing? And they're like, oh, yeah, Carcass is headlining your night. That's awesome, dude. Yeah. That's rad, yeah. That's super cool. By the way, Bill Steer is a really nice guy. Yeah, we met him at the last festival fest. Yeah. Good to know. Yeah, they were staying at our hotel and we... Jay missed that one. I'm sorry, what? No, I missed that one. Yeah. I think Will was trying to say that Jay and

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John met Bill Steer, but not Will. I did not. Yeah, it was a dig. It was a dig of myself. He was a very nice guy. Well, cool. I'm looking forward to it. I mean, legendary band, cool people at Surly. I can't believe they're throwing such a monster fest. They're having a punk rock day, too, with Murder City Devils and this great band called Off With Their Heads. Where is that? They used to have it at the brewery, and now,

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They wanted it to be bigger, so they moved it to Somerset, which is actually in Wisconsin. And that's usually where some of the bigger outdoor festivals will stop. Years ago, it used to be where OzFest would go, where Vans would go. And now there's more two-date things as opposed to tours going through. But yeah, they just decided they wanted to make it a little bit bigger this year. So actually, can I just use this moment, too, to say we are starting to see what we finally all kind of wanted, which is a more renaissance of metal festivals in the United States, quality ones.

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And that, because for years we've bitched, like, it all happens in Europe. And we may not have a Valken, but what Decibel's doing now, and then, like, as you mentioned, the Surly Fest, the Death Fest to a lesser degree, but still cool. Some stuff's starting to come together. Oh, yeah. There's been a few metal fests that just don't like that metal, so. Yeah. Right, right, that's true. Well, you know, this is my 19th year at, you know, Prague Power. That's a metal fest. There you go.

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How breweries are doing this. This isn't a beer release. This is a metal fest. Or in this case, punk rock, metal, whatever. Three Floyds out of Chicago always has a really cool launch event too. And then of course their Psycho has been great for a few years now. So yeah, man, we're stoked.

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If it is a renaissance of the festival stuff, it's great timing for us. Perfect for you. Because we like, gets you all over the country in a hurry. I'll be the one to say it. I'm glad that I'm seeing it because like a place like MDF, I just haven't been so hot on the last couple of years. Yeah. I think I'm skipping next year. There just has, you know, I mean, the bands they've announced so far have not been. And it's a little bit of a bummer because it's locals are. Yeah. That and Shadow Woods, you know. Yeah.

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Yeah, you guys should play, we should get you at Shadow Woods. Get you to play out in the woods close by here. Sounds good to me. Yeah, you guys would fit right in there. I like to camp. Yep. Oh yeah, it's camping, trust me. Cool. For sure. So anyway, George, I think that sums up pretty much the rest of the year. Yeah, we're playing some shows and we will probably start fiddling with new material and then, you know, I don't know.

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Look, try to get a new album out there in the near future. I mean, on the kind of a little bit bigger picture is we want to get back over to Europe for more than a few days. Yeah. And really do a run there. And the good news is there's been a couple decent ideas that look like they could happen with some cool bands. So that's probably, hopefully, our next kind of

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like that we're gonna spend you know 10 days to two weeks or something in in europe sweet yeah well i mean

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well you're three records in now so i mean i think that's part of it too you guys are getting more

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well established we're reaching more people i mean that time is right i mean i think it'll

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it'll get more faces now than had you had you gone over earlier so i mean i'll say again man you guys

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are you're an hit band right now whether you know that or not you are you're okay people mentioned

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that sounds terrible to me but i'll take it as a compliment no no

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When you're talking to us, it's okay. If it's it with us, I'm talking about sludge. Gotcha, gotcha. The Nuclear Blast affiliation on this last album has been really nice. I think, like you said, the Europe timing is good. I can't tell you how many interviews I did with people from Europe and the band. We all did. We were taking turns. We had a schedule. They were like, why haven't you come to Italy? Why haven't you come to New Zealand? Well, New Zealand's not Europe, but you know what I mean.

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So there's good, the album's been received well there. I think the timing's right. We want to do it, obviously, so we're going to make it happen if we can, you know, if they want us, we'll get there. Excellent. Awesome. All right, I guess it's time to move on to the rest of the episode. Thank you for entertaining our questions for so long. Absolutely. Oh, I just wanted to let you know that Phil texted, say thanks,

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by to those guys for me. Sorry, I cut out. No problem, Phil. And thank you for coming on. He cut out right in the middle of his own story about baseball. And it was right then that I learned the meaning of life was... Charge your battery. The answer to life, the universe, and everything. Charge your battery. All right. Well, why don't we kick it over to Jay because he had a pretty interesting evening several nights ago.

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I'm going to keep it somewhat brief because we've gone for a while here and we still got a bunch of stuff in front of us. But the interesting night I had was the Alice Cooper show. I opted in for the VIP experience and I just can't tell you enough how awesome it was. First and foremost, he has what I would call a group of family working for him. Not quite literally, but it was very clear the more you interacted with the people who were sort of handling the VIP people that like the guy who takes the pictures.

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with Alice used to be Frank and Alice on stage. And the girl who handles the group in general used to be on stage. It was one of the dolls. You know what I mean? Like these are people who have floated around as organization, gotten better jobs, better situations. So that alone was cool. And they were the nicest bunch of people. So that's all cool. And everything ran at exactly the time I was supposed to. I showed up at 5.30 because one of the things we got was a tour of the stage.

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And they just let you up on the stage. I mean, they took the, there was two, it was probably 18 people there and they took us up in two groups and they were just like, take your time or in no hurry. So, you know, they didn't want you pulling any picks off the stands or anything, but all the instruments were set up and they took your picture and the, with your own phone and the guillotine. And they were really concerned to make sure all the pictures were good and not blurry or anything. I couldn't believe how many there were, how many pictures. I was like, damn, they take a lot of pictures for you.

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I only saw part of it, dude, because the show pictures were, of course, taken by me.

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But the pictures that they took, like, they took, like, 30 pictures of me in the guillotine.

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I mean, they did it really fast.

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I was not in there for very long, but they just wanted to make sure I had something I could use.

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So that was really cool.

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And then after that, it was sort of like, there was no opener, which I loved, but he still had about an hour and a half to kill, so I went over to a bar in a couple of years.

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And then came back, and the show, for the first time I saw S. Cooper, was amazing.

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He doesn't sound nor look 70 years old. You guys know I'm a big fan. Is he really 70? Yep, 70. Wow. 70. And I mean, this is a guy that went through some pretty levels, heavy levels of abuse too, alcohol and cocaine in two different periods of his life. The fact that he's standing like he is. So anyway, and then, so we'll go through the show, which again, I just was amazing. Great set list, couldn't have chosen any better. And then, and I had front row seat. And then after the show,

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a little room for Alice to come in and see everybody. And I think we waited 20 minutes. And even then, the people were like, we're so sorry. He's just got to do some things, blah, blah, blah. He literally was with a Make-A-Wish kid. And we're like, dude, it's fine. You know, like 20 minutes is no big deal. So anyway, he comes in, and then he just took as much time as any individual person wanted. He sat at this table, and then you would sit next to him, and they gave you a bag of merchandise that came with the VIP thing. He signed everything. You're also allowed to bring some of your own things, so I brought some records. And I took the opportunity to ask him some questions.

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So I'll tell you what the questions I asked were. One was on the album From the Inside. There's a song, and I actually forget which song it is right now, but I think it's called Serious. And he says, we drank a toast to Jimmy's ghost. And I knew they used to hang out with Jim Morrison. So I asked him, was he referring to Jim Morrison in that song? And he said, no, Jimi Hendrix. Because they also used to hang out with Jimi Hendrix. There's a song on the new album called The Sound of A. And the song goes, the sound of A is everywhere, the sound of A is everywhere.

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And I asked him, I said, I feel like I kind of get your lyrics, but I have no idea what that fucking song is about. And he said, I'll tell you. He said, that's a song that I wrote in the 70s with the Alice Cooper band. And it was a science fiction concept in which the government controlled people with this constant sound of this letter A. And when they wanted the people to be violent, they would change it to B or something like that. And they were going to do this whole science fiction film with it. And they even started making it and everything. Didn't finish it, blah, blah, blah.

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He pulled the song out of his past to put it on the new record. So he was like really forthcoming with stuff like that. Isn't that cool, dude? And he had a nice sense of humor. I probably personally spent five, six minutes with him. And then he was very obliging with the very obviously staged and funny photograph he took with me. I've got about 30 photographs with him, but one of them was us choking each other. Was that his idea? It was mine. I was like, I said, would you mind if we choked each other? And he was like,

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Sure. No, that's so funny, though, because I've... Do you mind if I pull on my penis? I've had the same... There's been a few bands I've wanted to meet, and that's the first thing I'm like, can we... I would ask them, is like, can we take a photo of us choking each other? So, I mean, I think it feels pretty normal. It's a regular thing. So... You got to put your hands around Alice Cooper's neck. And that was not lost on me. But that was also... He was a completely down-to-earth human being, which, of course, you would expect.

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And I stuck around long enough to hear other people's, his interaction with other people's and the stories he was telling and stuff. He's just a perfect gentleman. Long story short, that was it. And, you know, it was kind of a good drive for me. I was in San Jose, but I was home by midnight, you know, and got a shitload of merch and stuff. I got a poster to send to you, George, as noted. I also got that King Goat to send to you and one other thing. It was a blast, man. I'm jealous. I had a good time.

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Did you ask him how to pronounce men who lock a? No, but I have to tell you what I went and read up. I went and read up on the meet and greets because you can people be like, you know, what's your Alice Cooper meet and greet experience? And he does stuff like that all the time. And people do that to him all the time. And another one was that he had some guys show up at one of his meet and greets dressed as Wayne and Garth. And he was only too happy to do the Will Not Worthy photo with him and everything. He's a prince, man.

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So it was pitching. And there you go. I don't think I need to say more about it, except that if you are listening to the show, I did put up a bunch of photos on the Facebook page. So I might check there and see what you think of it. But highly recommended tour, which he's doing a gazillion dates like he always does. So he may come into your town. You know, I was looking through your photos again today, and it inspired me. And I put his entire catalog on my phone.

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So that I could just, you know, I mean, I do that from time to time with a lot of bands. And within the last year, I probably did that with him. And, you know, I listened to a couple albums and then I get rid of everything and I put it on again later. But.

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For sure. Yeah. I'm the same way, you know, actually, I'll tell one more quick story, though, too. And that was that my brother had met him some many years ago.

01:43:49.780 --> 01:43:53.080
The guys here on the podcast, my brother unfortunately passed a few years ago.

01:43:53.680 --> 01:43:56.180
My brother for a while made his living by filming golf tournaments.

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And um, because you can see where this is going, Alice was at a golf tournament one time.

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And I told, I told, I told this story to Alice and my brother, I was always the Alice Cooper fan in the family.

01:44:07.240 --> 01:44:10.080
And I like Twisted Sister too, but my brother's a huge Twisted Sister fan.

01:44:10.840 --> 01:44:13.420
So long story short, he, he meets Alice Cooper and he's freaking out.

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But he goes, Hey, yeah, man, like you, and please, he says, you were, he says, I'm a huge fan and everything.

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He tells him the story.

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And then he goes, he goes, and he goes, I really liked the thing you did with Twisted Sister.

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He did a song with Twisted Sister. And then he did some other thing with D. Schneider. My brother kept focusing on this. And Alice, in his good-natured way, at one point stopped and looked at him and said, I think you might be more of a Twisted Sister fan. So I told him this story and he got a kick out of it. That was Be Cruel to Your School, wasn't it? Yeah, it's off of Come Out and Play. Yeah, it was a video for it, so it's probably that one. Being a big Twisted Sister fan, I know that.

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Oh, actually, I'll add one other thing, and I sent you guys a video. I don't blame if you didn't watch them all, but one of them was that at the end of School's Out, they actually went into another brick in the wall for a while. Nice! Yeah, it was cool. So anyway, that's my report. I'm sorry I missed your coverage of that show, Jay, but we have bats living in the eve of our porch. Oh, lovely. That's a perfect trade for an Alice Cooper story, dude. And my wife, she basically

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She looked up there today and they weren't there. She put some styrofoam in the eave. It's hard to explain, but she tried to fill the hole. She was sitting out there listening, reading, and she started to hear this noise. It was the bats trying to get out from behind the styrofoam. Apparently, they were maybe in her attic. There's a hole and whatever, and they're finding their way out. They go to leave the attic, and then there's this styrofoam.

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blocking their way. And I don't know how, maybe they're trying to burrow through it or whatever. So she popped in and she's like, these bats are trying. So funny story, Monday night, I woke up and this is the third time it's happened. I woke up at about two in the morning. I think one of my dogs barked, opened my eyes. There's a bat circling my bedroom. Fortunately, my wife was out of town this time. She's been home the first two times. It does not get a good reaction. I usually do that. I usually, I'm, I'm sitting

01:46:22.160 --> 01:46:26.480
you're thinking like okay number one i need her to find like a used tennis racket at a garage sale

01:46:26.600 --> 01:46:30.880
tennis rackets a really pair of thick gloves and i'll just grab it but but i have to use the blanket

01:46:31.080 --> 01:46:36.340
technique you do the blanket get it and then take it outside but honestly it's the most fucked up

01:46:36.480 --> 01:46:44.000
thing to wake up to and then and then to hear the sounds they make like that you know and it's like oh my god

01:46:44.220 --> 01:46:48.620
it's like a science experiment gone wrong when you look at it like a mouse with these webby wings

01:46:48.620 --> 01:47:18.060
But it's always like 2, 3 o'clock in the morning. And then, of course, I'm wide awake the entire night. But yeah. Yeah, I'm hoping they don't find their way in, in. So that's something we'll have to work on. But yeah. But it sounds like you're sort of also being a bit of their caretaker. Is that right? Are you welcoming their presence? You know, honestly, there's really nothing bad about bats. They kill so many bugs. The only issue is guano.

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And their poop and their urine builds up, it gets smelly. So now that we know that they're probably getting into the attic through the eve, that's a little bit of a problem. They gotta go. We have to evict them now. We were trying to evict them in a way like, hey, don't come back here. Why has no one mentioned that you bit their heads off? What the fuck is wrong with you guys?

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I'll give you that will. I'm not gonna do it. So when I was researching after the second time we had the bat in the house, I researched. And in some places, it's actually illegal to kill a bat. Like, not that you're ever gonna get caught, but I mean, I just thought it was odd. It is illegal here too. Yeah. So like, animal control won't kill a bat if you hire a bat exterminator, I guess. They won't kill them. I don't really want to kill the little buggers either, but you know, if it's me or them.

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Sorry.

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You know, I mean

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Someone's going down. It's going to be the flying mouse.

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I mean, maybe I'm weird, but they are

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I might be kind of weird, but they are kind of cute.

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So this this thing was flying around and I lost it and it went into this

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like a little gift bag that was on a shelf in my wife's closet

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and I could hear him and I popped on the light and I couldn't see him

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and all of a sudden his little head pops up and I was like, oh

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Get the fuck out of here

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You know, one of those two

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I mean for a split second. I thought

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Pet no

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Yeah, they're nice on PBS

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They're cooling caves. One, two, three. Ah, ah, ah. That had the stink of racism about something. I want one living in my neighborhood, you understand. Yes, exactly. I know. Species. Thanks, George. Save me. So, it's getting to be that time of year when

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iPhone fans like myself start to wonder about the next version of the iPhone.

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And I'm going to keep this brief.

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But I just happened to be, A, thinking about the new iPhone, and B, listening to SiriusXM in the car when Def Leppard came on and they played Pour Some Sugar On Me.

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And I heard something that sounded to me like Joe Elliott in 1987 having a prophecy about the new iPhone. Because the lyrics go, love is like a bomb, baby, come and get it on. I'm sure you all know that. Living like a lover with a red iPhone. So I think there's going to be a red iPhone this year because Joe Elliott has told us about this. Listen to the song.

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That's what he's saying.

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Wow.

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The red iPhone.

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You put this on the script, and I was like, and I still feel like I don't know what it's about.

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I feel like I never would have passed it.

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It's stupid, I know, but I thought it was funny.

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Can I say this?

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Yeah.

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It's probably because you haven't gotten past pyromania.

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Yeah.

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And you are correct, sir.

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Yeah, you've stopped after that.

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Oh, that reminds me.

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I don't know if you saw my comment on your Def Leppard bear the other day.

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I sure did.

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Yeah.

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Matt was drinking a Def Leopard beer and he put it in untapped and I my guess on how it tasted was the first couple sips were okay but it got really light and radio friendly after that you know and I said as soon as the sugar dried out that's what's the Def Leopard beer uh it's just called Def Leopard what was that it was by it's untapped if you want to yeah got their logo and everything incidentally I just this just showed up in the mail while I was talking to you sluggish

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Is it sticky and all? I haven't reached inside yet. No, I'm a little nervous. Oh, what is this? It's funny because recently we've been with my new house, like we actually have wildlife and there's snails and slugs and leave a snail trails and like we see slugs all over the place. And it's like, I always tell the kids that they're called sludge.

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I'm looking at that and I think I know the answer George but would you rather have this one or this one for the studio yeah so if people are listening you have to tell them what you're oh yeah exactly so there's like the third time we've done this first just throwing there's Alice with a white hat on and and then it looks to be Alice Cooper posters Alice is basically as Jason yeah I kind of dig that one because I'm afraid of

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13th fan, but the choice is up to you, my friend. Actually, I thought you were going to choose the other one, but you're most welcome to it. Well, if he doesn't want to choose, I will definitely take the one where he looks like it's Friday 13th. That's what I said. Well, he did sort of request that one first. It's six when he does the soundtrack? I'll tell you what. Yeah, he's back. Get mailed out, guys. You'll see when you go. All right. Nice.

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Hey George, did anybody die this week? Yeah, it's been a fucked up week for music. So the biggest news of the week that everybody's aware of, I'm sure, is that Aretha Franklin died. Not metal, but damn, was she awesome. You know? You know what? I'm a metal fan.

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I love Aretha Franklin. And then I guess it was yesterday or the day before that I just put on Spotify, on Bluetooth, on the surround sound system with my children. I'm like, I'm going to school you on Aretha Franklin. Greatest vocalist ever. I mean, of course, besides Phil. But seriously, one of the most unbelievable voices in a millennium.

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She came into my Kentucky Fried Chicken when I was in high school. I wasn't there, but I heard all about it because my manager was a huge Aretha fan, and he just gave her a ton of chicken for free. Was she cool? Yeah, yeah. He said she was awesome. So you guys killed Aretha Franklin with all the French. Yeah, it was in the 80s. Yeah, so it was building for a while. But see, you know, I heard a montage of her hits, and they're all songs you guys all know. And she had a lot of hits, but I

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I did not really fully pull in the amount of iconic hits. It was like listening to a Beatles hit parade. Yeah. I mean, there were songs that were tied to, obviously, there was some major social movement type songs, but also just like, you know, never loved a man the way I love you and all that stuff. I mean, these were like yesterday, the song yesterday, you know what I mean? Like they, it's there, it's, it's like something discovered in the universe. Nobody wrote these things. We just found them under a mountaintop somewhere. She had, she had about 20 of those. Yeah. Yeah. You know, what's amazing about her?

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I'm a huge fan and I have been for a really long time. My kid loves Aretha Franklin and knows lyrics and we spent a lot of time listening to Aretha Franklin records. I have at least four or five actual vinyl records. But what really blew my mind about her having really, you know, because of her hits and because of the Motown and soul music stuff is her earlier stuff on Columbia.

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She has this album.

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If you guys, I mean, we can all appreciate Aretha Franklin's voice, right?

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And how just amazing and how she could just do anything.

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Well, you really have no idea until you listen to this album called Yeah.

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And it's jazz singing.

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So not only can she do these huge soulful things, but her jazz vocals are like almost unparalleled.

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And the thing that drives me nuts about this record is that it's like live recording.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And all these people are just talking. And having conversations. And you hear glasses clinking. And I'm like, they had no idea, right? They had no idea that in 1962, they were watching the greatest American female vocalist do her thing. They're just smoking cigarettes and whatever. And they applaud Aretha Franklin. The one thing I was trying to relay on my kids when they were listening to it is,

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She sings with emotion. It's not just like, oh, here's a script. I bought this song from

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whoever, and then I just need to sing these lyrics.

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She sang all these lyrics with emotion. It came from her, and that's the one thing that I

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definitely appreciate about it.

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And it seems to be a larger, more noticeable emotion

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than 90% of the singers out there, even those who can also do that. That's why she was the queen of soul. And incidentally, she even filled in for Pavarotti once on some performance. I think it was just on the Grammys or something, but she sang this aria from Pavarotti Got Sick, so she could do opera too, is my point. Did they fire him after that? I think he probably died not much longer, because he was sick at the time. And then I would also call to mind that she sang at one of Obama's inaugurations, which would be not that

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many years ago and still sounded great. Yeah. She sounded good right up to the end. Yeah. So, well, that's cool. That's nice. It's really nice to hear that everybody here has some kind of connection to that. Yeah. And yesterday I was shocked to find out that Jill Janis of Huntress commits suicide, which I was just like, I mean, I knew she had, I'd heard about her mental health problems and all, but that was very shocking.

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Same day. Yeah, same day. Well, I mean, technically it was two days earlier, but we didn't hear about it until it was Tuesday when she died, but Thursday when they announced it. You know, I have to point out a weird thing to you guys, too. That same day, that's the day that Elvis died. That's the day that Robert Johnson died. There's a couple more really huge musicians that died on that day. It's the day that Phil Pendergast was born.

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That's funny that Joel Violet from Vossenblot was born, too. Oh, wow. I was talking about it with Phil, because he's also a huge Aretha and Soul Music fan. And we were exchanging a lot of texts, and it's like, what a bummer way to wake up on your birthday. But yeah, Robert Johnson and, oh, you know who else died? Bela Lugosi. Oh, wow.

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The coolest Bauhaus song was written about Phil's birthday. Weirdly weird thing of. I was walking through Target today and there's this whole new section of these old school, these look like the action figures you played with when I grew up in the 70s. When they were dangerous? Yeah. They had Star Trek, but they had literally Facts of Life, 2D and stuff, and one of them was Bela Lugosi as Dracula. Wow, really? And I almost,

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I almost bought it's not hard to find you'll see it again they did all of the monsters yeah and then I mean they're purposely sort of look like kind of crappy ones don't they yeah I mean they look like the ones from the 70s like they purposely look like they also did alien and a bunch of other stuff and then I don't know if you heard this Dan but Babe Ruth also died on that yeah yeah so watch out it was a weird day and by the way I know this is a

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Tandem to your news thing, but I got kind of on this kick of like, oh my gosh, like this day, a lot of these famous people died, musicians and other people. And so I started looking up just some other dates that were significant to me, like my birthday and my kids' birthday and all that stuff. August 16th, it takes the fucking cake. I mean, they win. Like, they got some pretty heavy hitters. You know, when Babe Ruth, Robert Johnson, I mean, guys who invented things like the blues died, you know, it's a pretty big day.

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And they have lots of them. So for whatever it's worth, it was a real weird day yesterday. And it was sad. It was a sad day. It's like the whole 27 Club thing with all the musicians that died at 27 years old. Cobain and Hendrix and Morrison and Joplin. I didn't have to look at mine because this comes up frequently when my birthday comes around. But Jan Belushi died on my birthday. Oh, wow. I don't think you should have lost anyone.

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I mean, it totally changed Ralph Macchio's life.

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Yeah, me too. Let's be honest, Ralph Macchio is better than Steve Vai. Really? Yeah. I have a favorite line from that movie, and I have not seen it in years. This line still sticks with me 10, 15 years after I've last seen it. And it's when the old guy makes him get a little pig nose amp, and he's like, I don't play. He's used to playing acoustic guitar. And do you remember what the guy says? He looks at him, he says,

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That's right.

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I remember that was too, Jay.

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I didn't remember it until you started setting it up, and I was like, oh yeah, it's a Muddy Waters line.

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I use it to this day about Hendrix and stuff.

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I'll tell people that Hendrix and fan electricity for a reason, man.

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Oh, by the way, just in case you didn't know, there's little vinyl pop bobbleheads that have a Jimi Hendrix, and it literally, true to form, it has him playing a right-handed guitar upside down.

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Oh, nice.

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I have to buy it. I have to buy it. I see it at Guitar Center every time my son and daughter go for their lessons. I need to buy that. You do because also they come and they go fast. You don't want to miss your chances. My son is left-handed and he picks up every guitar right-handed. He picks up every guitar upside down. I'm left-handed. I just play right-handed. But I suck. You don't suck. But also I didn't know that. Flip it over, George. Maybe you'll be...

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Hey, wait, I'm pretty good at this.

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All right, sorry.

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All right, so, you know, the shittiness doesn't end there, because also Randy Rampaged,

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who was on two of the Annihilator albums, particularly the Alice in Hell album, which I'm very fond of,

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he also died this week, so that's why it's kind of been a shitty week for music.

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They say people go in threes, but did they all have to be musicians? Yeah. This reminds me of, was it 2016? Remember, Lemmy was what, 2015? Then it was Bowie, then Prince. Go and Fry. Go and Fry all within like a month of each other. So it reminds me of that. Crazy, man. Let's move on to something a little less grim. All this is telling us is that we're getting older. It is. It's more nostalgic. I mentioned this before that when I

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My kids love to do this thing where

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I play on the radio

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a song or whatever

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and then my kids have to guess who it is

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and I'm trying to get them immersed in the whole

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heavy metal culture and

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listening to the lyrics, listening to the vocalists

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listening to the guitar tones

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and know what band it is

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but one of the first things my son always asks me is

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is this guy still alive? Is he still alive?

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Is he still alive?

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We're getting to that age

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I also need to honor Looch for a second because he posted this. I want him to know we didn't overlook the fact that Mrs. Garrett died. Oh, wow. Well, you take the good and take the bad. Two guys from Germany. Yeah, so I don't know about you guys, but everybody that I know, they're all like, oh, George likes

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Let's send him this article. And that's great. I appreciate it. But I got this. I got like, you know, 10 versions of this article from everybody. And it's about the two old guys that supposedly left their retirement home to go to the Valken Festival. But unfortunately, that is not what the real story was. Yeah. Apparently, that would have been a fabulous story. Yes. And this is why everybody ran with it.

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and everybody sent it around everywhere because it was a cool story to think oh yeah these old guys they busted out of the uh the home to go catch some heavy metal at valken but they didn't care anything about heavy metal they were just looking for some some drinks they wanted to go go out and have a few beers and they just happened to go to the town of valken and where there's a metal festival going on yeah that does mean they i mean i if it was me i would have caught a bus somewhere

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I'd be like, do you want to stand in line for nine hours for this beer? Oh, no, no. At Valken, you don't have to stand in line for beer very long. In fact, they come around with backpacks of beer and will fill you up in the field. That sounds awesome. Very efficient. Incidentally, they just started selling beer in the stands again at the A Stadium. Yeah? Yeah. Did they sell beer in the stands? How about you guys? Yeah. So what do you mean by that? Like somebody walks around with beer in a tray?

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Yeah.

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It'll be there.

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But I mean, I've crazy years they didn't do it.

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I don't know why.

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You can remember this Oakland Coliseum, there's like 4,000 people every game.

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4,000.

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To be sure, John.

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They're not going to send someone out to work 4,000 people.

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Jay can appreciate this comment.

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I'm not making fun.

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No, actually, I prefer that one.

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They've had trouble getting fans.

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Maybe just a little bit.

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I don't want to jump on the bandwagon.

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I love going there with a few hundred of my very close friends, man.

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I'm getting out.

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Your seats are good and it's intimate. And they're cheap and then you don't have to race to your car because there's not going to be any traffic. You don't like your seat? Just move two rows down. It's good. It's true. Trust me. Jay, the Giants games were like that in the 80s. Trust me. I did it all the time. Well, John, the Giants are so bad right now, they might be like that now. Yeah, they're having trouble. I'm just kidding. They may not be good, but they're still getting $40,000 a night.

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No, they're always sold out. It's the nicest park in the NMLB. No, no. Wrigley. Wrigley. Wrigley. I haven't been to Wrigley. It's not the oldest one. Actually, Pittsburgh is the nicest one. The two tops are Pittsburgh and San Francisco. Pittsburgh is fucking nice. Have you not been to Wrigley? No. I want to. I've been to both of those.

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Inflame my hemorrhoids. Wait, are you in the stadium or on the roof across the street? Yeah, you have an appreciation for tradition in which you can only get in a place like that. Because AT&T is basically Disneyland-ed. Yes. I mean, so that's when people say it's the nicest, that's what I'm talking about. There's really like tunes out on the wall. Let's take that with a grain of salt, John. I just mean. Come on. But I mean, like. Minus the big stupid mitt out in left field. Everything else is very cool. Okay. Sorry.

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I'll concede. And Pittsburgh is beautiful, too. That's a great park, too. I liked it. It is. But yeah, man, you know, also, believe it or not, the Rockies Park, Coors Field, is really great, too. And you guys have been to Camden Yards. I've been there as well. The Rockies Park was kind of modeled after that, so it's kind of very traditional. Isn't that the same group that did a lot of those? It might have been the same architect. I think it is. Yeah. You know, even the Phillies has a similar architectural feel.

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But also a cooler conquest. The Philly Stadium is beautiful, too. Damn right it is. When did this become the MLB podcast? I don't know. I'm enjoying it. Oh, I'm loving it, too. I gotta get to Boston to see Fenway before they decide to get rid of that like they did Yankee Stadium. That's a bucket list for me, too, George. Yeah. I would very much like to see a game there. Okay, sorry. No more baseball. We'll find a way to wind back.

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But nevertheless.

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So we got a bunch of album imminent releases to talk about for the rest of the news. Wolfheart are releasing a new album Constellation of the Black Light on September 28th. And there's a video out for the song Breakwater. It's a very visually stunning video, presumably in Finland, but a lot of really cool mountains and waterfalls and stuff. Nature shots.

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Ocean Shorelines and such. And a good song as well. High on Fire released the title track for their new album Electric Messiah, which is apparently named for Lemmy. And that is due out on October 5th. I know everybody's listened to that one. Yeah, it's a good song. It's more in the line of Death is Discommunion or Snakes for the Divine than the last one was. I noticed he went back to burying the vocals again. Say that again, George.

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No, I didn't hear you. Sorry, I didn't hear you. What'd you say? He's gone back to burying the vocals under the music again. I really liked the last one because the production was amazing, and now I'm like, where's the vocals again? Can't hear them. This is probably the fastest song they've ever done, too, by the way. I don't think that is. I love this song. I think so. I hope for the record. Yep, me too. For the same reason. Big fan. Cool. And Thonic, the Taiwanese metal band,

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They're getting ready to release their eighth album, Battlefields of Asura, on October 10th. Looking forward to that one. Any other fans? I don't know the band, but Asura's a real nice place, except when there's a battle going on. Of course. And the late Worrell Dane, his second and final solo album, Shadow Work, is going to be released on October 26th. Apparently they were able to cobble together an album,

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from what he had worked on before he passed. So we'll definitely be checking that out. He was the guy who did a lot of his stuff down in Brazil, I feel like. I think he died in Brazil. He did. And I think he was down there recording, if not for this record. He was doing some recording, but I'll say this. His first solo record is actually pretty good, if you haven't heard it. But I also know he was kind of a mess right before he died, so I'm going to preserve judgment until I hear this.

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He sounded amazing at Valken. I'm so glad that I got to see him. And it was such an amazing set, too, because it was raining. And it was like 30 years to the year that I had seen him with Sanctuary in 87. Oh, cool. I totally forgot that they played that. What did he play? Did he play under the World Dane moniker? No, it was Nevermore. Okay. Wait. No, it was Sanctuary. What am I talking about? Sanctuary.

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Cool. I hate myself for missing that. Yeah, I know. You all like, we're like, oh, we're going to go over here. I'm like, fuck you, Sanjuary. Every day I look in the mirror. Along these lines, also you just did a good Quasimodo there, George. I was in a record store recently, and unbeknownst to me, but all of a sudden they were. They just re-released definitely This Godless Endeavor from Nevermore. Also, Enemy.

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Enemy Within or what is that? Enemy of... I forgot. Remember that one? Enemies of whatever. Yeah, that's reality. That's the one that kind of gets lost in their catalog. Well, it's partially because it was produced poorly when it first came out. Yes, does not sound good originally, yes. And then Andy Sneak did it. But in any case, just a heads up to listeners that those are available. And my hope is that Dreaming Neon Black... Oh, yeah. I want Dreaming Neon Black, definitely. I'm hoping they're... I need to look that up. But in any case,

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Those are out there if anybody's looking for those in vinyl because they haven't been available. Cool. Nice. And I forgot this one was coming out and I was pleasantly surprised when the new single came out. Hate Eternal is getting ready to release Upon Desolate Sands October 26th and they are streaming the new song What Lies Beyond. And I did not know until John told me today that Hans Grossman from Alkaloid

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and formerly of Obscura and other bands is drumming on this album as well. Oh, wow. He made a joke that that was one of his slower songs, too. That is interesting. I thought it was cool. I enjoyed it. It was kind of slow. It made me think of Morbid Angels' Domination. He said apparently the rest of the album is just going to be balls out. Nice. There you go. I thought they sounded pretty good, though, personally. Yeah.

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Cool.

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Eric Rutan, man.

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Yeah.

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The Rutan Clang.

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Exactly.

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Did I say that?

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Yeah, I liked it better.

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It was Rutan Clang.

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Clang.

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I don't know what I'm...

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It's kind of...

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Beer.

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Beer.

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It's kind of weird.

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It's only three guys in the band, but two of them are like just legends.

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And Hans Grossman is what, 35 or 36 only, but Rutan is known for just so much.

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It's very cool to see that, so...

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Yeah.

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Cool.

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Einherjer is also going to be releasing a new album in November. Don't have a date on that yet, but I'm going to be looking forward to that. And finally, Venom Inc., the Venom... Minus Kronos. Yes. They're going to be releasing a new album in March. First one wasn't really worth the time, unfortunately, but they were doing some live tours that were amazing, especially when they were just doing the first two records.

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Now, that stated, I don't know if you guys, I'm sure you must have seen, Mantis had a major heart attack. Yeah. Yeah, but he's back on his feet already. Eight weeks later, they just played Hakan, I think, or at the festival. I just saw him at, we just saw him at Montreal. That might be what I was seeing. Yeah, it was actually good. It was a good set. They played some good stuff. They're great live, dude, and I think Tony Dolan's a badass, you know? Yeah. No, it was excellent. It was one of the ones that I made a point of seeing, and I'm glad I did. Cool, cool. But unfortunately,

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record was no thrill ride so i i don't well we'll see about second one all right let's move on to new releases now i know we were making fun of the album cover for this first one uh d snyder's uh fourth solo album for the love of metal that he uh worked with uh jamie josta and some

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I kind of dig this album. I mean, the style of music is not exactly what I listen to anymore. I mean, I still love Twisted Sister. Dee Snider is one of my favorite singers of all time. But his voice on this album is amazing. He has not lost a step. His voice is on. And he's past 60, isn't he? He is. I can't argue with Dee Snider. I can't. No, me either. You wouldn't want to.

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I can't really get on board with this record, but he gets a pass with me because of so much of what he's done I enjoyed so much. Yeah. I liked it a lot more than I thought I would, which I know that's a total cop-out. I don't know. My expectations were like, okay, I know what this is going to be. And it was, those things. It was a little heavier. Yeah, and I liked it, man. I was like, this is pretty quick. Just one quick spin.

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So we'll see how it sticks with me. Some of them are better than others, but regardless of the sort of generic background music, his vocals were good. Oh, dude, without question. And I, you know, honest to God, sometimes when I'm bored at work, I'll do any number of things to amuse yourself. One of the things I'll do is go look at D. Snyder's Instagram. And he just lives the coolest life, dude. He has such a lovely family and stuff.

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I just hold that man in high regard. And so for some reason, I like to check out Dee Snider's Instagram. I'm going to need to do that. You should, dude. It's fine. He's an interesting cat. I mean, the stuff he does and says, I follow his account too. I mean, it's... You know, just as potentially cheesy, but I know George and I were both affected by this, which is if you have not seen him sing this acoustic slash piano version of We're Not Going to Take It, you need to see this video. It was for cancer patients. I cried.

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And it's amazing. He sings, we're not going to take it with all the oomph and vigor and some emotion that's not in the original version. It's just him and a piano. And it is badass. Yep. Yeah. There's a video for it. And the video has to do with the cancer patients and stuff. It's kind of hard to watch. Because it's so sad. Yeah. All right. Next up. Oh, sorry. I was going to say, do I have to watch the video then? No, not at all. You can skip the video. You'll be just fine. In fact, you can

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fill in the blanks. All you really need to do is hear what he did. He did a wonderful job. Awesome. Next we have Defeated Sanity and their fifth album, Chapters of Repugnance. It's a German tech brutal death band. That just came out today. Also today, the queen of metal as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, we've had to take a deep breath. Aretha may be the queen of

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But Doro is the queen of metal. And she just released her double album, Forever United, Forever Warriors. Wow, it was a double record. Have you heard it? I have. We have the promo. It's in the box. Not that anybody would probably listen to it. I listen to it. Sorry, John and I checked out for a while. What's in your little box? Some Doro. Royalty. The queen of metal. I'm going to see Doro in a couple weeks. Is she playing at Prog Power?

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Yeah, you know that festival you guys dismissed a couple minutes ago? Yeah, I'm going to see her. All right, John, I will go to that sometime with you. I promise. Yeah, next time there's like a decent lineup. Let me rephrase that. Next time there's a band that I really have to see, like Fate's Warning. Here's a news item we didn't mention, and I know Jay's big on this new Arch Matheus. Maybe we could do that. Maybe that'll happen. Just maybe. I would go for that. That would be so badass.

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And I am so on board with the two things that they've done together since post-2000. And I did see their one show in Connecticut. It was awesome. So. Oh, they did an Archmothel show? Yes, it was amazing. What did they focus on? Did they do the record? Pretty much the whole album. And it did like four or five songs from the Arch period of Fate's Warning. Did they do any of the John Arch? I know those are like 30 minutes. No, they didn't do anything like that. No. Okay. Yeah, I was really glad. Okay.

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Sorry, don't go ahead. I'm happy they're making another record. When you told me that today, I was like, what? I didn't know what was going on. They signed with Metal Blade, by the way, to release it, which is where the other ones came off. Which is funny, because Fate's Warning was with them for years. Prog Power's in Georgia, is that right? It's my second home, yeah. One last Doro tidbit. There's a song on the album called Living Life to the Fullest, which is a tribute to Lemmy.

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And at the very end of the song, there's a little snippet of him talking. It was kind of cool. You guys, I was listening to, I put on for God knows what reason. I mean, there's no reason not to, but you know the Motorhead's record, Rock and Roll? Yep. It was my first album by then. Do you remember the Michael Palin bit on that? Yes. The little in the grass and the, yeah. I read the Martin Popoff or whoever wrote the book, that Beer Drinkers and Hell Razors book about them. And what happened,

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was they were recording and he was doing some recording nearby like in his studio just for some BBC thing or something and they asked to come in and he made that up on the spot he didn't write that down or anything. Bless the members of Motorhead didn't even have one other pair of trousers each. Bless these old members of Motorhead that they might increase their loot threefold. You need to hear it if you don't know that bit it's one of the tracks on the album it's just called Blessing. Yeah it's awesome. Next up Primal Fear.

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Apocalypse, their 12th album, a German power metal band. Isn't that Ralph? Yes. Yeah, Ralph Sheepers. That's a fucked up name, by the way. Yeah. I named her Sheepers. It's another band that's played Prog Power before. Sheepers. Really? That's what he should have named his band. Sheepers. All right. And then we've got Sorreption, Monument of the End. It's the third album of Swedish Tech Death. If you haven't checked this out,

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I recommend it. It's pretty good. I tried to find it and I couldn't find it on Bank Am. Okay. George is like, thanks for checking in. Appreciate it. I think it was Spotify. No, I guess I'm trying to do my due diligence. I'm trying to be professional and find all these albums that people were talking about and I could not find it. Spotify. Oh, okay. Well, YouTube. Yeah.

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The next one I mentioned on the last episode, and I have to pimp it again because now it is out. This is The Spirit and Sounds from the Vortex, German Black Death Band that sounds very much like the band Dissection, of which I'm a big fan. And I love this album. I think we all like it, didn't we? I agree. So again, I tried to find this band on Bandcamp. They were not there.

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Also on Spotify.

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Well, it's in the box.

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But we had the promo, too.

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Yeah, we had the promo.

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It's in the box.

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But also, Will.

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Is it in the box or in the trash?

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I didn't know.

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I don't know what that was about.

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It might have been in the trash.

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It might be.

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The name might be.

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It might have the title of the album first or some weird thing.

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But also, to get Bandcamp to really work well, you do have to actually use a computer or a phone or something.

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You can't just.

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I take my kids' Star Wars walkie-talkies, and then I hold them up, and then I stick my head, and I burp jelly beans and Whistle Dixie. I'm like, I'm going to get a signal, and I'm going to get a band camp right now. Actually, you have to use the search function, put the band name in, and press enter. Basically, yeah. This is like teaching old people how to use a computer. Did you? Oh, hey. Why pick up old people? I work in a library.

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FYI, both the last two bands, just look them up at Bandcamp. They do not exist. No, they don't. It was very infuriating to me because I wanted to get that album on Bandcamp. So, Kim John George, you can let us know that. Oh, by the way, this is only on Spotify. It's also in the box. Yeah. What? See? In the box. I even got it. Which one? The Spirit. I listened to it from the box. Yeah. Yeah, we all talked about this like 30 seconds ago. This is like,

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Ancient?

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Jesus, Will.

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I even knew it was in the box.

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Anything that's three weeks old has become like Ancient News.

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I haven't.

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All right.

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Back to, we have two more.

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Unanimated, Annihilation.

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It's an EP from this band that has not released anything in like nine years.

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I'm a big fan of Ancient God of Evil.

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I believe it's their second album from like 1995.

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Really good 90s death metal.

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Unanimated. That's a weird word. Do you need to even say that? That something's unanimated? It's not animated. It's live action. Anyway, that's interesting. Unanimated. I like that. Okay. Well, they're... I question the validity of that word is my point. Yes, yes. And the last new release, the new Van Canto album, Trust in Rust. It's their sixth album, and they're an acapella metal band. You don't see too many of those. That means that's from Spain.

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I haven't listened to this one yet. I think this one is original material, but they've done a lot of really awesome acapella covers of Metallica stuff and Manowar, I think. It's really good. I've not listened to anything by them that sucked. Father Guido Serreti used to say, I'm going to sing for you a Beatles mentally and I'll sing an acapella, which means I'm going to take my hat off.

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He might be a national name, but he's also a very

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Bay Area name, too. I ran into him.

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Did you really?

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Was he with the Starship?

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He was arguing over the price of a hot dog at a 7-Eleven.

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And I knew in the moment it wasn't because he couldn't pay.

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He just wanted to point out to them how poorly

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advertised or something was.

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And he's on to something, too, by the way.

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Yeah, for sure.

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I love Guido Sarducci.

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I love Guido Sarducci. I haven't heard that name in years.

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Yeah.

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Is there any chance that unanimated is pronounced unanimated? Not only is there a chance, that's exactly right. I've been googling it the entire time. Right. It has nothing to do with animation or movement or anything. Somebody-mated. Unanimated. Well done, sir.

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I just want to say for the record before we start the skull crushers I've tried to get John as drunk as possible

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I have to say I failed I could only come up with one question

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I got three

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I'm going to go in

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what is your favorite color

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I got three but I think they're ones that John can get

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honestly not what I'm trying to

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I sent George a message the other day and I said

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what in God's name was I thinking

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picking and slave

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I said I love this band. I know nothing about them. Nothing. I think you'll know this. I don't either, which is why I can't write questions. I'm going to ask a question, right? I get one, right? I actually didn't even look at the script until today, but I just thought of a question that's kind of funny. I'm like the present dude. Before you ask it, I said to George, I said, why don't we all go on a journey and learn something about this band? Because I don't know shit about them. I love them. That's all going on a journey.

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We are going to start with you, Dan. Make me look bad. I want to ask my question later. It's a funny question, and it won't be funny if we start with it. Then we'll go to Matt. We know that first question Matt's going to ask. You already know my first question. And I've thought about this. Okay. Do you want me to give you some context that will not help you at all? Good.

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I assume we've all experienced, or maybe we haven't, but the concept of the first album you hear from a band automatically becomes your favorite album of that band, just because it was so good. And so I would say people would argue with me that this is not their best album or their favorite album, but for me it is. And to be honest, I don't know where the enslaved enthusiasts, where this album rests kind of in their

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And again, that does nothing for you. I have a notion of that, though. Yeah, I'll probably be 100% wrong, but I thought about this, and I'm going to guess vertebrae. Yeah, yeah. Just like that, John. Just like that. Wow. The watcher. The video. Yes, that's it. Matt's question was my luch and machine head. I'm done. Thank you.

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Well done. Yes. Honest truth be told, I was thinking, okay, I know the first question I'm going to get here. I got to get this one right. I got to put some math into it. I got to pull this one off because after that, fuck it, I got them all wrong, whatever. I got the one that I shouldn't know right. You got the impossible question. Yeah. All right. I feel like everybody's done good with that question, except for me. So. I have that one. The monster kills.

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It's its own creator. Alright. Let's go. Give me more. Alright. Second question. When playing in Minneapolis, the Minneapolis-St. Paul area, what does frontman Gruthel reference when he's here? We are the land of the blank. Thousand Lakes? Well, I think sports. Oh, fishing? Sports. Like professional sports? Real sports. Well, to them, it's really sports. I don't know.

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Oh, that's not that hard, dude. Just go north. That's where everything freezes. Hacky. Think football. Oh, no shout out. Football. NFL. You are the land of the Vikings. Yes. Oh, no shit. Sorry. You're in Minnesota? I should have known that. Welcome to the podcast. Yeah, yeah. Supposedly the Vikings were there.

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like 1100 and they got runes all over the place i know

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my bad no no no it's all good and honestly i mean the thing is like he doesn't say a lot

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when they play live but honestly i could just listen to him talk all day he is hilarious yes

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minnesota minnesota the land of the vikings

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number three where did they get their name from

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So, their name is from, not the first release, but in a moral demo, the song's called Enslaved and Rot. Yep. Thank you, Metal Storm. I didn't get that from Metal Storm. I actually got it from somewhere else, but nonetheless. Wikipedia? Maybe it was one of my questions. That's why I don't have any questions. I was like, I went to Metal Storm. First of all, they only had four. And I was like, well, John's going to know to look there, so.

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No point. I actually didn't, and I don't think my other two questions could be thought of as true. But that actually is a cool question to ask, because you think, where did they get their name? It's the original Immortal demo. I don't even think that was the actual band that became Immortal, was it? Two of the guys only? I know... John, we're asking the questions here. Not Abbas, but the other guy. I can't think of his name at the moment. I do want to point out... Demona's.

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I think Matt I don't know if the HDTV that we're looking at you have pretty dreamy blue eyes you know funny my daughter asked me today during a movie we were watching Rampage and she asked me what color my eyes were she said there I didn't say anything and she looked at me said they're like teal blue all right I'll take it whatever yeah like closer yeah they're kind of dreamy like you know when I was looking at the Alice Cooper Strangle photo I thought that Jay and Alice had similar eye

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I wanted to get him to do a pole pole. I think I got him out. I outdistance him. Let's put it that way. If we walked into a room together, I'd get there first. Get it? That's a long nose joke. I know you're really good. You ran a race? Yeah, he wins my nose. We got it. He won the Kentucky Derby. We got it. Is it my turn? My last question. Dan, you got any?

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So, Enslaved contributed a song to a Slayer tribute album called Slaytanic Slaughter. It was a cover of a Slayer song. Do you know which one that was? I'm just going to save it one time. No. I don't know. Anybody? I'm interested to hear. Jesus saves. Jesus saves.

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Jesus says.

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Nice idea.

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And George, it wasn't you that gave me the answer this time.

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It was, and now it's a...

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George is flipping off the camera.

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Don't you listen to them, George.

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That wasn't.

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If they talk like, just look at my picture, I'll comfort you.

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I have to say, real quick, nobody can see this, but George has had like this yard-long

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beer in his hand.

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The leader.

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And it doesn't seem to get any less. It just keeps, there's just beer flowing in that. Oh, it's almost gone now. That's not actually beer. It also knows he hasn't got up to go to the bathroom in a long time. I'm filling it back up now. Will, it's your turn. It's my turn. All right. What is the only enslaved album that I own? I'm stealing this from you, Dad of Northern Dark.

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I'm stealing that. Awesome. Sort of. Oh, fuck. It's actually pretty easy if you think about it. Not really. It is. You hate progs. That eliminates like half their catalog. I don't think that's easy either. It's pretty easy. I don't know. Think promo. Oh, well, if that's the case, I don't know what the album's called. I'll just say E. Yes. That's what it's called. It's the only one I own. Good job. It's the only one I own, too.

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on vinyl anyway. Oh, really? I got them all, baby. Well, I got them all back to below the lights on vinyl. John and I are probably the biggest resident of the Slave Cast. All those back on vinyl? All those? Really? Yeah. Well, I mean, but I don't have my dimension or anything before that. I'm sorry. Go ahead. Keep going. I'll say this. The hardest one to find is below the lights, John. The rest of them are pretty... It's in the wooden box. I don't have that one. I have...

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Yeah. Yeah. It's because it's like $500 or some crazy amount. So. Yeah. Okay. Will, your three-part question. Okay. My question is, what year was Enslaved formed? So the year they got together was 91. Okay. Correct. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Ooh. Yeah. All right. All right. I actually knew that. What are the two founding members of Enslaved? And actually, how do you pronounce their names? Yeah. That's that. I'm not going to. And how old were they?

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That's a good question, George.

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George, just shut the fuck up.

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Is that part of your question?

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Yes, it is.

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George, remember, look at me.

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Look at me.

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All right.

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Ivar, the guitarist, was 13.

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And I cannot pronounce his name.

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Dan said it earlier.

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Grutla.

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Thank you.

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He was 13, so he was 17, I believe.

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Is that how you pronounce it?

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Is that how you pronounce it?

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It's Ivar and Grutla.

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Grutla, okay.

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And I don't want to butcher it, so I'll leave it to somebody who knows. Like an E instead of an I. At least that's how they say it. I like Grudel better, though. I mean, I think it's because it's so close to Hansel and Gretel. Gretel and also... Gretel and Brudel. Yeah, exactly. What I have is... Trust me, I called him that for the first two weeks of tour. Jornsock. That's right, I forget. He did at one point. By the way, when you guys posted... I'm not going to lie to you. You guys posted photos on your Facebook page, and they were like, here we are.

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Or maybe they posted them on their Facebook page. You guys were at a brewery together. And then you were coming to San Francisco, and I knew I was going to at least come over down and say hi, and I did. I saw Zach, and I didn't think it was Phil. But in any case, and I was like, I wonder if I'll get to meet a slave. I was going to use you guys to meet a slave. You totally could have. You totally could have. They're really good guys. I was going to try to talk. I'm going to be going down to Tommy's joint with us, but oh well. That's the place where Metallica hired Jason, that famous Metallica bar.

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That was like a block from the venue, dude. I had no idea. That venue was amazing. You can see it from the venue. Anyway, well, okay, sorry. No, my bad. Kind of lost where I was, but so you gave me two founding members. What's their names? And how do you pronounce them? Yeah, we did. We did forget. No, no, no, no. I can't. I think you guys fucked him up, by the way. No, he got it. He nailed it. I got both of them. Sam again.

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or whatever. And then I can't pronounce the other guy's name, but it starts with a G. All right. So you're not trying to do less names? Oh, no. Nobody can do that. I can't do that either. How many stouts have we drank tonight? I want to pay respects and not butcher the names. How old were they? George, shut the fuck up. He already answered it. He did. 13 and 17. Okay. All right.

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And then, okay, I got a... Are you guys on a time delay over there or something? What's going on? Wait, we're in a whole different part of the show now. I'm sorry, you're just asking questions you already asked, but go ahead. I love you, Will. Ish. Hey, Jay, try answering them. Oh, I know. I know. It'd be much easier when I'm asking the questions, and then he's answering them, and I don't have fucking three fucking jackasses over there.

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Chiming in.

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Yeah.

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Dan, you would not be one of those jackasses.

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No.

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That's why he don't become a jerk.

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You have exempt jackasses.

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And it's not Matt either.

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He never says anything.

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I don't actually say anything.

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That means George and I account for three jackasses.

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What's that all about?

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So such is our jackasses.

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All right.

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Next question.

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I'm going to skip.

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To move this low, I'm going to skip one and just go to another one.

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Name the enslaved albums that actually have English titles in their name. That's pretty good. That was nice of you. Yeah, it's pretty good. Alright, so Frost. Yes. 1994. Then the next one that would be technically English would be Monumentum. I don't think you're going to say Bloodheim or what is it, Martem. And Monumentum is questionable. I'm not even sure where that works.

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I agree with you, John. That's a hard one to say, yes or no. Really? Yeah. I mean, I've never heard that word. Are you getting a question, mind you mention? Will's not. Will's barely hanging in. Apparently it's not on Will's list. It's not on my list. Oh, okay. So, yeah. What is the English definition of that word? I'll look it up while you guys try to move on. All right. So, it's not going to be, all right, below the lights. Yes. It's not going to be east. It's not going to be run.

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Yes. It's not going to be the next one, which is all in Latin, Axima, Ethica, Odina, or whatever. Then Ritter, or whatever you call it, Ruins, or whatever you want to call it, is the next one. Then after that, it's going to be End Times. Yes. E. Yes. And if you want to count the live albums, you know, live at Rock Hard, or whatever it's called, and then Road Burn Live. The only other one I have on this list,

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They did not mention as far as I know is

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Mar Dranum

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Beyond the Within

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Okay, yeah, okay, I didn't mention that because

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it's like in half Norwegian and half English

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So if you want the English version

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it would be Nightmare Beyond the Within

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That's it. Thank you

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Wow, you translated it. That's amazing

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All of the

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All of the monumentals references I can

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find here are actually, they call

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The definition is the sixth enslaved album. It's probably made up. And I think E is too. I mean, I don't think it's like has anything to do with the letter E. I heard Ivar give an interview in Seattle when he was eating our chips. Oh, that's my question. I ruined it. Did Ivar eat our chips? Oh, shoot. No, that wasn't really it. But so enslaved has this great spread, you know, because they're enslaved.

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And we walk into our little

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shitty green room in Seattle. And there's Ivar.

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All we get is a bag of chips and hummus. Right? That's our thing.

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So there's Ivar just eating our chips.

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And he's got chips and hummus in his beard.

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And we're just like, dude, you got like steak next door.

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What the fuck? Leave our chips alone.

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And we were done with the chips. It was fine.

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That's a good start. And in that interview, he was actually talking about what DE stood for and what it was about, and I totally spaced it. Yeah, he apparently has something with every album title. He's got a story behind it. Oh, sure. Yeah. And the art is really intense, too. All right, John, because I do think we are the biggest sliver of Slave, I think what I know about that, you'll know. So I'm thinking you should have these.

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I already lost one of my questions by to someone else see only getting two for me hmm I also happen to know I think we've talked about this before but it'll still be fun to answer when the Norwegian Liberal Party One of the members of the Norwegian Liberal Party suggested that downloading music from the internet should be legalized that is to say it would be free and so on and so forth what didn't slave do they did some very sort of public thing to symbolically protest that what was it

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So that wonderful politician quotes around the word wonderful. They downloaded one of his sheep from his property to prove a point that, okay, if you want to download our music, we'll just download one of your sheep. They took one of his sheep. And so for those of you who haven't seen it, there's a wonderful video of them actually kidnapping those sheep. It's pretty great. Absolutely hilarious. And the point was, if you want to take something that's ours, we'll take something of yours. Yeah. But they also do it with a

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We send one of ours to the hospital. We send one of yours to the morgue. But what I didn't know is that apparently that was just a small piece and a bigger thing that they were doing in the country. Gotcha. Look up the video if you get a chance. It's funny to watch those guys steal a sheep and drive it away in their car. And they released it eventually. Okay, so my second question for you, John, I think you'll know it's not something that I did see in things like Wikipedia. I just remember it from interviews. And

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It is that Groodles, he has a favorite album that he's very vocal about. His favorite record of all time, or at least he said it was before, and he said it was when a particular record came out, and that record was Vertebrae, and he said it was a big inspiration to Vertebrae. It's not a metal record. No, because he's a big prog head. Geez, I wouldn't even know. If you had just listened to Vertebrae, I think you might get it.

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But go ahead. Sorry. I would call it very famous and accessible prog. Yeah, I mean, he's a big, as far as I know, he's a big, like, Pink Floyd and Crimson and Genesis fan and Rush fan, but... You're on the right track. The first one you said is accurate, so if you had to choose a record, it'd be the first. So, yeah, I don't remember the first one I said. So, okay. I don't know. What? It's easy, dude. Just shout one out. Dark Side of the Moon is the most.

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Yeah, he has long said that Dark Side of the Moon was one of his favorite records. You can actually hear it in Bird of the Moon, as far as I'm concerned. Everything from when you mentioned Mon has got all their prog favorites in there. That's all I had. Awesome. George? I only have one, so I'm going to double that by also using Matt's question of what was my first?

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record. So George is an old time metal fan. I bet you this is a late era record though, John. Do you think so? At least mid to late. Oh, you're throwing him off, Jay. You're throwing him off. You're right. Oh, I am? Is he making... Well, I'm seeing a current... He either has to pee or he's saying no. Both. I do have to pee again. So George, tell me this. Is it old or relatively... Old. Okay.

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So it's old. I'll go with Frost. Because that was probably when they somewhat broke it. The first visible album. And they can see the album title. That was part of why I got it. Also, back when I got that... It's a fucking great album. There just wasn't much available back then when that came out. And to come across it, I was like, oh shit. It's like you could get that.

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and some immortal, like Full Moon.

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Yeah.

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It's funny, I thought both of you were going to say Below the Lights with that question,

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and partially because I think that was the first truly visible one.

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Yeah.

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That was my first one, believe it or not.

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I didn't get the ones before it.

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And by the way, that came out the same summer as the John Archer record.

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John, I spent that whole summer listening to those two records.

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As a matter of fact, I listened to Below the Lights today,

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and it's still that and Ruin are my two favorites.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, that's... I would mix ESA in there probably, but it's a tough choice. So Dan, outside of Ivar Eaton, your rider, do you have another question? I have one more. No, that was my other question, my actual real question. Who played drums on the first two albums and also played drums with Emperor? So his initials I know are TT.

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I can't remember his name for the life of me. But I know you're talking about, because he's Ember's drummer now. I believe so, isn't he? I believe so. He is to this day? I think so. I think he was when we saw him last year, anyway. Yeah, I think he, after Frost, he was their permanent drummer, wasn't he? Or he was at least their more consistent drummer. God, I can't think of it. Are you saying that he's not now, Dan? No, no, I'm not sure that he's not.

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It's the first time I'd seen Emperor. I'm not like a real name face guy. I think he still is, isn't he? He probably is. I thought he was when we saw him last year. You guys are the experts. I did not realize that the guy who I probably just saw drum for Emperor was once enslaved. I didn't know that. I'm not going to get it. I can't think. Is he Norwegian? You're right. His initials are TT.

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I can't remember. I can't remember the name, but I know he's formed a couple bands also on the side, too. T-R. Not T-R, but the second letter is R. Yeah. Third letter is Y. Since it's a Norwegian name, you might give them all the letters and they still won't. The fourth and last letter is M. Yeah, I believe this is his stage name, too, on top of that.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Has like five valves in it. It's that. I look, I know what you're talking about, but I know, you know, you just couldn't, you know, that's good. Hey, I'll say it is a stage name. His name is Kai Mosaker. I have one thing to say. It's by Trim Torson. So good job, John. And he is still the emperor drummer. Trim Torson. Thank you. Will gave me prairie bombs tonight.

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I said I was done and

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you know shitstorm

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happened so

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who remembers trim

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torson I mean that's impossible

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apparently nobody

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other than the fact that I know his

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initials are TT and he plays

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for emperor

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to me that was super impressive

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well I think that was the big

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connection with them and the two bands and when

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they did the

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split didn't they

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back in 90s

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I believe,

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which was a famous split because the emperor stuff is awesome on that album too.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So here's my question,

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John.

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Oh,

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here we go.

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After,

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after they ate the writer.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Which member of my band did Grudla not kiss?

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That's a good question.

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You got a 25% chance.

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I think I know.

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Which one would you not kiss, John? Think of it that way. No, I'm not going to do that. I'm joking. I'm going to take it a different way. You asked the question, Dan, so I'm going to say you. Just because you asked it. I'm guessing I'm wrong, but I figure why not. It's a good strategy. No, I was definitely, I was very much kissed by Grootla. Can I give a guess? Yeah, I would guess too. I would guess Ben. I would guess Zach. Yeah. Yeah, Jay got it.

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He's just very upset all the time. Well, I think he, at least to me, he comes across as slightly shy. And so I could see like somebody going in on him and be like, you know what? I don't know. I got the next messages here. I'm thinking Ben all the way because Ben is the only person in the band that I have not hung out with for some period of time. Yeah, but that's funny you should say that because we ate at MDF when we came walking out of what bar we were at. He was there with

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our family as we walked by he didn't say a word he just threw a fist pump out at me

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fist pumped him and we just walked to the next table yeah zach super i mean ben's super friendly i mean

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he's like the friendliest guy not that any of our behaviors had anything to do with grueless

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behavior like he was just out of his mind that night because it's the last night of tour and he was having a good time and he was real funny yeah i have one i have one question for you damn real quick this yeah it's like uh which podcast

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stalked you the most at all the festivals and shows you went to this year.

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You guys are the only guys I've talked to.

02:53:08.540 --> 02:53:12.200
Well, we're slowly making you the official end of this podcast.

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And also, I'm going to throw the gauntlet down right now.

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Let's see what member of this podcast can be the first one to kiss every member of Kenneth's.

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Now I'm going to have to run every time I see you.

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We'll have to trick you into it. It'll be just like, just walk in that room. I know it's dark, but it'll be fun. There's something in there. Don't worry when you get the retro. Keep going. California Beer Fest is in December, right? Yeah. I don't know. I won't be there. Don't worry. Why would you want to win this challenge? It's really weird. Just to lord it over the other guys. It doesn't matter how weird it is. I mean, you know, we're always trying to find it. Yeah. Good. I like it. Anyway, sorry for the goofy question, but I thought it was funny. No, that's not funny.

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That's great. Thank you for the questions. Yeah. George, did you... I did. Did you buy the shirt? Did you pre-order the record and you bought the shirt then? Yes. Yeah. I wanted to say that 20 Buckspin took care of me because, and I believe it was Dave specifically, they sent me the wrong size initially. Okay. Sent me an XL. Oh, jeez. That might be a little tight. A little bit. It's a heavy.

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And so I emailed him like, what gives? And Dave wrote back and was like, hey, sorry, you know, send it back. Here's a label. Send it back. We'll get you the right one. Dave, every time I've had an issue with them, they've been great about fixing it. And it was a little slow, and I just worked to check up, and he's like, hey, you know, migration, blah, blah, blah. And it was boom. It was like they're instantly after that. Cool. Yeah, man. You know, when he moved to Pittsburgh,

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He kind of like lost his staff. And then he has a woman there now who's great, who's helping him, but he's probably trying to do a little too much. I don't think he knew how well Desolation would sell initially. So he's like, I've never sold more copies of anything ever. Oh, that's a good compliment. Yeah, it was nice. And then he had the nerve to release Two Mold, and then that killed him too, because that record,

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rules, too. That was the rules, dude. Hey, Dan, how did you like playing Mr. Smalls? Mr. Smalls? Where is it? Migration. That was the place? Yeah, the church. Isn't that cool? Oh, it's super cool. Yeah, it sounded really nice in there, too. I can't tell you. I've seen a few shows there. I've been bombed a few times there, too. It's just this bizarre setup there. And if you go down a little bit further down in that area, you can go to Church Brew Works. Apparently, they convert church

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into homes, breweries, and venues. In that area? Yeah. John, I'm trying to figure you out. You claim to be a Bay Area guy. You like the Giants. You live out east. Pittsburgh is a long story. But you lived in the Pittsburgh area for a while, or what? No, one of my closest friends lives in Pittsburgh, and I've spent a lot of time. Will and I commiserate about missing Pittsburgh all the time.

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I have said this already, but John used to live out here in the Bay. Yeah, I was born and raised in the Bay Area. I figured that out, but I just couldn't tie Pittsburgh into it. Yeah, what is that? I know Pittsburgh well, too, because my brother went to school there, and we have friends there. I used to live there. Yeah, I just spent a boatload of time there. They have the most universities of any city. Is that right? Boston? They're certainly the closest to each other. That's for sure. According to the, you know, trolley narrated tour that I took.

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So yeah,

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in the next sense,

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they followed up with,

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we also have the most bridges of any city.

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Yeah.

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And we have the most places you get a shot in a beer for a dollar than any city.

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Now that's gotta be Milwaukee.

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One of my favorite,

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one of my favorite lines from,

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uh,

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from spinal tap is where they,

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the show can't,

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the guy's telling them,

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the manager's telling them the show cancellations.

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He goes,

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this can't Boston,

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Boston.

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And he goes,

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I wouldn't worry about it.

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It's not a college town.

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There are just so many great lines in that movie that are not the famous lines.

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You can't dust for vomit.

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I wouldn't worry about it.

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It's not a college town.

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If you guys really want to laugh, watch the extras with Bruno Kirby when he's singing Buck Naked with a Chicken Wing.

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That's very funny.

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Before we move on here, we will wrap up soon.

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I really want to thank you for spending so much time with us, Dan.

02:57:51.720 --> 02:57:54.220
It's been a super joy to have you on

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Thanks you guys

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I like you guys a lot too

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Ever since the first time we talked

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It was fun and I was looking forward to this

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Much to my wife's chagrin

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Because my daughter is actually at a little sleepaway thing tonight

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And I was like

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I said I would do this thing with these guys

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And she's like alright

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I'll just watch TV in my pajamas

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And she's not real stoked

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So I have her one

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Sorry

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Thanks, I appreciate it.

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Like I said, I like talking to you guys.

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It's not a mistake that we talk when we go to festivals and see each other.

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You're really fun.

02:58:37.739 --> 02:58:41.640
What's awesome to me is that you actually listen to some of our episodes

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and you'll throw up comments on SoundCloud.

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I want to right the wrongs that you guys are making.

02:58:49.760 --> 02:59:19.720
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hold on, hold on. If you're going to do that, how do you have time for the family, the job, the band? If you're going to right the wrongs, you're going to be spending a long time. Trust me, I'm seeing a counselor about it. But I do like listening to it. I can work and listen to the podcast if I have the right work, you know? So, like, if it's work that, you know, I can listen to you guys and then I'd be like, oh, yeah, I like that album, too, and I can still

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do my work. So I do enjoy listening to the podcast. I think it's great. You've also mentioned that this is very detrimental to your work. There's a guy who's waiting on something for a very, very long time. Oh, the band stuff. Yeah. Or, you know, like I said, my poor wife, you know, she was like, oh, we had a night to go out. And then tomorrow, of course, I'm going to slay her. So she's solo again. This time I'm going to show my daughter.

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My wife is wishing I was not doing this tonight too. Nevertheless. I'm pretty sure Jen didn't care. Every Friday she's like, are you doing the thing tonight? You should do it. And that's a compliment. She's like, just leave me alone. I can live with that too. That's good stuff. All right, Jay, I think you're going to treat us now, aren't you? Yeah.

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I started a new segment called My Greatest Song Ever, and I butchered it pretty hard, so I'm hoping that Jay, who is doing it this time, will do it justice. Well, just because also Dan wasn't here, I mean, obviously we all have a million greatest songs ever, so this is not truly definitive, but it's just picking out some of those ones that are kind of special to us, and this one I think I know there's a few members of the pod who are going to, and I'm guessing Dan too, but in any case,

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In the middle of some of the early cool 80s metal records, there used to be a pretty hard line drawn between Europe and America, really. And this is not, my song's not from this, but I would point out, if you know and like the first Wasp album, Blackie talks about the first side as being the American side and the second side as the European side. So if you ever want to point out to yourself, though there are better ways to do it, the difference between European

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and American metal. That stated, the early and mid-80s was when it started to melt together a little bit. And even though this is a British artist, he had an American guitarist, this is a fine example of what I would consider a European-style heavy metal song, a la 1982 or 3 or whatever this was. And if you don't love this song, there's something wrong with you. It's from Dyer of a Madman, and it's called SATO. Yes! That is one of my favorite weird chord progressions. I'm always

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I just wondered what SATO stands for I have no fucking idea wait you really don't know I don't know initials of his ex-wife and Sharon Sharon is Sharon Arden and then SATO is there's debate about that that's actually true I think it's never confirmed it yeah it's just that I just love the move and sway of that of that song it's in stark

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to a very good point made earlier by our chemist members here tonight. There's no chorus on that song. There's no clear chorus on it. But it was a very educational kind of style of song for me as a young man where I was just like, wow, this is not like anything I really know. As weird as that sounds. And it's just in this weird minor key and Randy does the weirdest fucking shit in it. All I can say is if you don't know that song, get thee to some streaming service and listen to it. It's probably my favorite on that

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that record has "Dire of a Madman" on it and some other amazing songs. So anyway, SATO. And to this day, I can still put it on the first time I heard it was the year it came out. And that is the best one minute of Randy Rose's career, in my opinion. He has that one minute solo. It's just, yes. And it's just, it's got an eerie quality to it too. And I think that's because of the strange minor key it has. Anyway, that's it. I'm awesome. Alright, good choice.

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I'm sorry, that was almost an insulting question. What's real interesting is that I wasn't an Aussie solo fan initially, and also I'm about the same age as some of you guys. You're 25? Yeah, that's right, we're all 25. It was contemporary music at the time, and I kind of pushed back against it, mostly because

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All the other heavy music at the time kind of sucked. And so it was like, oh, no, this is just going to be more hair metal. And, you know, in my defense, Ozzy was teasing his hair pretty high back then. And so I pushed back on that in the moment. But it was Nate Garrett from Spirit Adrift who is just was anyway, when last time I saw him in this major Ozzy phase, he's like, dude,

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You gotta get back into this

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And so I've been listening to a lot more of it

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And so as soon as he said

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This is a British artist with an American guitarist

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I was like, oh good, Ozzy, let's hear which one

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Well, you know

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I always choose that record over Blizzard of Oz too

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Which is funny because a lot of people see that the other way around

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But I find it to be the better of the two records

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Jay, I'm with you 100% on that

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Produced better, I think on the whole

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Songs are better

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I have a weird trivia question for you, especially because of what Will suspects or has heard what those initials stand for. One other member of Black Sabbath dated Sharon Osbourne. You guys know who it was? Tony? Yeah. I had heard that song was called Sail Across the Ocean. Yeah, I always thought it had something to do with sailing, too.

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I can't remember.

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Ozzy's never the worst.

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But it doesn't matter because as long as Sharon Osbourne says it's about her, it's about her.

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That's all it matters.

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That's right.

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She wins.

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Yeah.

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That's a good one, Jay.

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Yeah.

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She can claim she saved Ozzy all she wanted, but Ozzy's nothing without Randy Rhodes.

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And Bob Daisley.

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You know, unless Kurt Slaker or whatever his name is.

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Personally.

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Well, you're saying, oh, he saved his solo career.

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That's what you're saying.

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That she claims.

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Yes.

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She claimed. She died after Volume 4 and you would have been a legend.

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Yeah. It's not like...

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And I was like, "She saved his life." I'll give her that.

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It's not like the rest of the band was fucking awesome and wrote all the songs, you know?

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Have you guys read the Mick Wall book, Black Sabbath?

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Mm-hmm.

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Because I'm most of the way through it. It is absolutely fascinating.

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Yeah, I loved it. That's why I got through it.

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Basically, a lot of what Black Sabbath and Ozzy bulls down to is that

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Don Arden, who was the manager for Black Sabbath, his daughter Sharon Arden, Sharon Osbourne, became the manager for Ozzy when Ozzy left. It was basically fire for the band for being a complete... Living on Sunset Strip fucking hammered. Yeah. So it was interesting because they, I mean, they to this day, I don't know if that guy's still alive, but... I don't think so. They fucking hated each other. And they would do things in spite

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of each other. Like there's like there's a whole Aussie double album of like Aussie need to get out of like some sort of record contract so they didn't double album. Tired of the man. Tired of the devil. Yes. Speaking of the devil. Which is all saddest songs. Yeah. It's like oh I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna fuck you through the driver. Yeah. That record was a fuck you to Don Arden and his label. It's a record in New York. It's actually some of the better. It's a good

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Some of the better Sabbath played songs are on that album. I'll give you points for anybody who knows who plays guitar on that record and I know you don't. Oh, come on, Jay. Seriously. I saw that. I don't know if any of these guys know that. Yeah. Brad Gillis from Night Ranger. Oh, really? Yeah. I did not know that. As a matter of fact, when I saw Ozzy in 1981 or 82, I saw him. Brad Gillis was his guitarist. Yeah, so when I was talking about how I'm the same age as some of you guys,

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I wasn't talking about you, John. I'm sorry, that's awesome. And I wish I could have seen shit like that. That's one of those things where you wish you were older. That's why I brought that up when you were like, I don't know about this. I'm like, dude, seriously, you're missing out on some great music. I have to show one other weird fact from the Mick Wall book. And that is that they set Bill Ward on fire,

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startling an hour of times.

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I know, it's silly.

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Intentionally.

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The hospital third-degree burns so many times.

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Is that where Spinal Tap gets that from?

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They used to kick him all the time.

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He lit on fire.

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And Tony's big joke was to just randomly set Bill Ward on fire every once in a while.

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With lighter fluid, like literally like,

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Bill's getting up and he'd light him up again.

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So this has been going on well before the whole breakup.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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He was the guy who took all the brunt of all the jokes,

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And so I agree with you that I think some of this contract stuff extends from that. No wonder he didn't want to do the final tour. He's like, I'm too old to be lit on fire. It'd be one hell of a way to go out though, wouldn't it? It would. My biggest takeaway from reading the Mick Wall book about Black Sabbaths is I have no idea how they're all still alive. Literally, I have no idea. Oh, dude, Tony was stuck on cocaine up through past D.O. era.

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He did cocaine for 12, 15, 18 years. Yeah, he was like freebasing it. Yeah. Quick tidbit. I went to a wedding in LA and I literally was like three seats over from Geezer Butler, who was one of the guests at the wedding. He didn't stay long. I have never met a Sabbath member. That's good. The whole time when I was there. So he's like, who is that guy? I'm like, that's Geezer Butler. And like, there's Slash. Who cares? That's Geezer Butler. Wait, who do you know that knows Slash and Geezer?

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That's a good question. Kevin Bacon? No. That was good. Truth be told, also, Gaggerfeld was there that day, and it was a few other people. As a matter of fact, I got mistaken. Wasn't Dio there? No, he was supposed to be the best man, but he had passed. Oh, wow. I was pissed. My whole day was ruined. Somebody says, are you Eddie Trunk? Sorry, not enough. And I looked, I said, seriously, you should probably not talk to me the rest of the day.

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I fall into that too. I never look, nobody's ever like, hey, you know who you look like? George Clooney. They're like, you look like that guy that used to spend those Lay's potato commercials, you know, the know what I mean, Vern guy. I'm like, fuck you, you know what I mean? I look like Marty Feldman. Frankenstein. Yeah, I do a good Marty Feldman, that's true. Hey, Dan, I have a friend who married a photographer that has got a lot of friends in Hollywood. Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. Yeah, photographers know lots of people. Yeah. Yeah. And he's got some great

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famous Aussie photos. So he's pretty well known, I guess, out there. But like most photographers, they get lost in the mix, unfortunately. Let's like this top five up. Yeah. Yeah, I'm like, holy crap, we still have to do a top five.

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We made a list and we all made a list and we're gonna tell you all about it right now.

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We're gonna have to edit.

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Yeah.

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We can do this.

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All right.

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We'll try to keep them to a minimum.

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You know, you invite chemists on, this is what happens.

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This is what happens.

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Exactly.

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Before, wait, you're gonna plate it up and then should I ask my question?

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How do you want to do this?

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I have a question.

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Okay, go ahead.

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Is it top five albums of 91 to us or top five metal albums?

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I have both of this, so I'll just follow suit.

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All right.

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So, I mean, if you're going to list Rusted Root, you can just unplug your headphones.

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I didn't know you were such a fan.

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I mean, seriously.

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I mean, come on.

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Holy crap, where did that come from?

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Well, we're going to put you on the spot, Dan, and you'll give us your number five,

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And then we'll do our number fives and then we'll come back to you for four and so on down to number one. Okay. In that case, I'm going to do what I would call the metal list. Although I'm not sure that everyone considers this band metal and maybe not even me, but, um, unsane, unsane was my number five. Close enough. Yeah. No, no, no. I mean, like it was no, no real shame. It's heavy and aggressive. And, um, it was to me metal enough at that time.

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Yeah.

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You know, this is like my era, right?

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Like, this is when I was in high school.

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Yeah.

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So, there is...

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But you know what, dude?

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We were all a little liberal in the 90s because metal, it wasn't its highest high point.

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Right.

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Exactly.

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Wait, wait, hold on.

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Wait, wait.

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First of all, two things.

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Yes.

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1991, it was still in its high point.

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Two is, John and I just discussed it.

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We don't even know who unsaying is, so you're good.

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You're fine.

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Oh, okay.

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They're more of a noise band, I guess. But it's aggressive. It's kind of like Jesus Lizard-y. I will call that metal. I'm not joking. Somebody would be like, Willie Nelson would be like, that motherfucker's metal. And I mean that in the best kind of way. That's much closer. He is when he gets high. Matt, what you got? Aside from my honorable mentions, my number five is the only

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album that I actually listened to in 1991. Everything else I found later in life. You only listened to one record in 1991? Well, I mean, aside from this one, nothing else really good. And I would imagine most people would probably think this is not good, but my number five is Skid Row, Slave to the Grind. Love that album. I do too. I'm going to go see Sebastian Bach with Ben in about three weeks. Nice. Of the accessible bands, they were the heaviest dude, without question.

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Slave to the Grind was a heavy album. It was an amazing album. I mean, I don't know. I still love it to this day. Yeah, it's a great album. Agreed. I'm good with that one. Yeah, no need to defend it. John. John. All right. So, just a quick disclaimer. My number five could have been one of, like, umpteen number of albums. And this is just the one that got chosen, because all my honorable mentions could have been number five. But for this list on this day, Solitude Eternals, In the Depths of Sorrow, their first album.

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album. Nice.

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If you don't know it, go listen to it.

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If you like Candlemas, you'll like that.

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Yeah, for sure, fo-sho.

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All right.

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Well, my number five.

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This is a very, very hard year to try and wrangle a top five.

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So this is very loosely based.

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But my number five, Morbid Angel, Blessed Are The Sick.

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I was waiting for that one from you.

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And maybe other people.

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Not me.

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I mean, I would never do that. Somebody else might be that stupid. I don't know. I expected that from you, Will. Sorry. My number five is not a favor to John. I really did like it and was into this band very much at the time. Fate's Warning, Parallels. Oh, wow. I was up with Fate's Warning. I'll do about Parallels and then I probably started to pay attention to some other stuff.

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I was a fan. Good record. Okay. Dan. It's not me. George. Number five. Sepultura. Arise. We shall arise. All right. Now back to Dan. How many words does Matt have left after that? I'm like 36 words over. Okay. Nice. Now you're totally wrong. That was 39. George is 43.

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Just text your number four to me then. Yeah. So this one's kind of another noise album in a way, but I have Melvin's Bullhead. Oh, wow. Nice. And I was into the Melvins, you know, and this album is actually a bit of a departure, but I dug it, and I still do. Actually, I listen to it from time to time. So yeah.

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I was really into them in the 90s too. They were one of my saving graces in the 90s. Okay. Number four, suffocation, effigy of the forgotten. Yes. By the way, that counts as a word. Damn it. Do whispers count? No. No, they don't actually.

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You just added five words. So you've got five more words you can say. That's just all you're saying, sweet. Fine. Whispers are like getting hit by a... Whispers are like getting hit in your first at bat and not killing off your home run streak like the dude from Atlanta the other day. So, Acuna. A little baseball thing, yeah. Yeah, I'm sorry. We're not done yet. My number four and maybe my favorite album cover from this year. Entombed, Clandestine. Is that Dan Segraves?

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I don't know. I just know it's like a hand. Like shit just flowing out of it. Did you know that there's what song number? I think it's song number three. Evelyn. Yeah. I named my daughter after that song. I named my daughter after the Volbeat. I've never heard that song. Tell her it's clandestine from Entombed. I have made the promise.

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to constantly tell you that I don't know why you named your daughter.

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What's Will's number after?

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Yeah, exactly. Will.

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I'm sorry, Jay. Go fuck yourself. I'm sorry, what?

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Hold on, let me make it up here.

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Wait, that came out in 91?

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Fuck yourself.

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It's come out every year since we've been with Jayden.

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That's right. It's always in fashion. You don't have to worry about it.

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That's right.

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When Jay can actually take on the responsibility of having children, he can talk to me about it.

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Ooh.

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Meow.

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Meow.

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Meow.

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Kitty cat ears back.

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That's it.

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That kitty cat.

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Number four, corrosion conformity blind.

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I knew that was going to be on your list.

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Oh, man.

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I knew it.

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I knew it.

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Fucking love that album.

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I knew you would put that on there.

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Mm-hmm.

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That was either going to be number one or number four.

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Yeah.

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So I keep whittled it down there in the end.

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But not five. Not five. I would never do that. Number four for Jay. Cathedral. Forest of Equilibrium. Yes. Came out that year. We do. Wait. Jay, is this your list or my list? I think we're going to hear that a couple more times. If you ever had children, you should name your child after that. I will. Come here, Equilibrium. Forest.

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Middle Name Equal. Far as stupid is, stupid does. Mama says I've named that for a good name. Alright, George, what's up? Number four, Morbid Angel, Blessed Are the Sick. There'd be more of those. Alright, number three, I have a disclaimer for this because very interestingly, I was into this band.

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And this album came out. And in that moment, I was not into it. But hindsight has proved to be smarter than, you know, whatever, a 17-year-old me. That's human. Oh, nice. I thought you were going to go black album. No, that is not on any of my lists or any of my honorable lists.

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But yeah, to me, Human was like, it's where it started getting proggy, and I wasn't prepared for that, I guess, maybe. And also, they kind of abandoned all the gory, mystical kind of stuff and started talking about real things, which normally would be endearing to me. But in 1991, I was like, I don't know about this death record I might

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move on but um you know it's actually one of my favorites now no did i i that was a big part of my childhood was transit where my younger hood was transitioning to like was being okay with something we didn't meet that so that's totally fine i was me being okay with some of my bands letting go of some of those tropes i was like but it's not about satan you know what i mean like it's not you know it was weird for me when some of the bands started to kind of outgrow that stuff has george even finished that beer yet

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I put more in. It's like the never-ending beer. It's like refill. What is the place you go where they have the never-ending basket of fries? Is that Red Robin? Yeah. Matt. In choosing my top three, I've went through numerous bags of ice from the gas station down the street. This is just very difficult. My number three is Carcass, Necrotism, Discanting, The Insalubrious.

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And I spent a good half hour trying to pronounce that properly. Oh, man. Yeah, no, I didn't know that came out that year. If you spent a half hour, by the way, you still spelled, you still pronounced the carcass wrong. Yeah, it's cacus. Oh, sorry. I always think it's carcass. Yeah, either way. No, actually, we'll accept carcass. All right, John. All right. One of the, uh,

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One of the original death dude bands

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from England.

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Paradise Lost Gothic.

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Oh, not that one.

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Yeah.

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I was all excited.

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Me either.

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What did you think I was going to say? I mean, I gave it away.

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Bolterer. Oh, sorry. Did I say that?

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Bolterer, yeah.

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Or Bastard.

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Nice.

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So, let's see.

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My number three, Entomb, Clandestine. There you go, man. I remember buying that album. I actually bought it a year later when I was down in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba with The Looch. The Looch. So would he have Machine Head then at his number three? Whatever shitty written. No, it would be violence, I suppose. I told the story very quickly. Just joking, Looch. It was called Marine Point.

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where the Marines were in Guantanamo, Cuba. And there was a small little store there you could buy called the PX. You buy your stuff there. And they had this unbelievable CD collection of death metal. I bought the first Brutal Truth there, Clandestine, a whole bunch of other awesome stuff I bought at this little tiny little place. But in the Army, same thing. He just cleaned up at the PX. All his metal. Same thing. Awesome. They got to keep those guys aggressive.

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Yeah.

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Mine doesn't take a lot of explanation. I'll just give a shout out to Matt Carcass Necronicism.

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That's my number three.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I wish I'd known that.

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Wish you'd known, yeah.

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All right.

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Sorry.

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My number three is the same as Dan.

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Death Human.

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Oh.

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Hmm.

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Hmm.

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Hmm.

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That's right.

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Hmm.

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Or Dark Crystal.

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Dave, or Steve, the bass player on that album, that's his first album, what's his, I can't remember.

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To Giorgio.

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It's huge.

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I mean, as a bass player, that guy is absolutely the fucking best.

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And he played, and I'm not, and John, don't take this the wrong way, I'm like, kind of don't like proggy bass, generally speaking.

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And this is, again, why death kind of was a tough thing for me to get back into. But, um, god damn, man, the guy is unbelievable. And he played fretless. He's amazing. He played all that shit fretless and he's so fast. And it was just, he's an amazing bass player. So I'm glad you appreciate that album as well. Because it was, it was, it was, he's off the charts good, that guy. So I don't know if this, this probably is my turn again. Yep. Yeah. I don't know if it'll win me any cool points, but, um, this is,

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The Obsessed Lunar Womb. Nice. That's a good choice, dude, for sure. I know. That's got kind of a little bit of a flair here in this area, The Obsessed. You know what? You hear George's hood there a little bit? I think he got pushed. Not pushed. It's been a year or two now, but then he got back in rehab again not too long ago. Yeah, because he got arrested.

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Beat up his mom or something. No, no, no, no. That was the dude from Pentagram. Not Weiner. But he did get, he got a drug bust. Yeah. The dude from Pentagram beat up his mom. Okay. Bobby's kind of Bobby Liebling. We're clearly not talking about character of band series. No. I mean, honestly, though, with him, dude, I hate, I didn't know that. I don't remember hearing that he beat up his mom. And if you've seen it,

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That documentary. That documentary. That documentary. That documentary. Life to his mom. Yes. His parents only live like 20 minutes from here. That documentary is painful to watch. Are they both still alive? Both of his parents? They were? I haven't heard otherwise. I'm surprised he's still alive, but whatever. Yeah. Yeah. All right, man. Number two, Cannibal Corpse butchered at birth. Nice. Not again, I guess.

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Not a Barnes fan. Sorry. Yeah, I'll take I'll take course granted to

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I'll take course granted to yeah, but

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If at any time Matt if you want to wipe all this shit, they just laid on your face from their comments

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You just wipe it off. Is that what that is? I couldn't tell

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All right, I'm gonna take a shower. I still love you Matt. Yeah, I don't know

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I'm gonna do with that

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Hey, we love

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I don't know how anyone doesn't talk about this band.

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You guys all claim to be metalheads. I don't get it.

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My number two. Atheist. Unquestionable Presence.

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I don't know how anyone doesn't talk about them ever.

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They're just groundbreaking.

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You guys just act like they're just...

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I don't know if I've ever heard a song metal.

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How is that even possible?

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You're the death metal guy.

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Oh my god.

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I don't know.

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Do you doubt their existence?

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Oh, yeah.

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Don't play.

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You know, man, I think you're onto something there.

03:28:04.520 --> 03:28:06.060
He's like, maybe something can be real.

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The guy who never talks, he's actually kind of smart and witty.

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It's funny.

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Although if you just doubted their existence, they would be called agnostic.

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That's right.

03:28:17.200 --> 03:28:18.760
Yeah, that's a good point.

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Not to take away from your joke, Matt, because it was sick.

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It was a great joke.

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No, that's totally true, though.

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I didn't know that came out in 91.

03:28:47.199 --> 03:29:15.000
I love you Jay because my number two is Bathory Twilight of the Gods. I wondered if you'd go there. Cool. I didn't know if you'd be where you'd be but I knew you liked that record too. Doc with your penises and stuff. Poke, poke. You don't have to understand it. You just have to tolerate it. Alright, shit's about to get real. George, George. Number one, no, but it's not his penis. It's just, it's just

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It's such a it's such an opinion thing right and like yeah what how it how it felt to you and all those things and again this is I think my number one is a band that also influenced me pretty more than some of this other stuff and I'm going with Cathedral Forest of Ecola. It's just you know do me as fuck man. Not just do me not very napalm deathy. That is true. It's nasty doom.

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It's almost like proto-death doom, when you think about it. In a way, yeah. Cool. Good choice. Yep. My number one, death, human. Nice. Awesome. John? All right. My number one does not include Fate's Warning and does not include Cathedral. Despite everyone thinking I was going to pick Fate's Warning. Yeah.

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This band is half cynic. Death human. Nice. Not even close. Matt, what was your number one? Death. What was your number one? Death. My number one. Michael Jackson came out with it now. Cathedral. That'd be a good choice. Death human. That'd be a good choice. I like that. I thought it was going to sweep the pod.

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We already can't do that, but Death Human. But I'm pleased to see as many people do it as did. I think it deserves it. It's my favorite Death album. This is probably the most consensus we've ever had. I don't know. Wait, hold on. Chemist did pretty well in the mid-year. Except for those turds. We actually had a few consensus records. Just saying. Let's not forget that. We do have somebody from Chemist on the podcast.

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I dropped my trowel for chemists. You did. That's dedication. I like thrusted in my underwear behind George. You know what? I'm okay with it, but we can't keep reliving it because it's like post-traumatic stress at this point. I can't even talk to Jen about it. I can still feel the poking. I don't blame you. Do you remember when that train hit your father?

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All right, let's take the gloves off and get ready to start fighting. Let's hear it. Number one, Metallica. Black album. You just did it just to piss everyone off. No way. I really love that album. Invalid list. You know, a lot of my favorite music revolves around

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lyrics.

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And that record has them.

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So there you go.

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It does.

03:32:20.810 --> 03:32:20.920
Well,

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at the time I was,

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I was rather nomadic and the song,

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wherever I may roam meant a lot to me because I,

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well,

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can I just say,

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will was smart to me?

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This is good.

03:32:33.770 --> 03:32:33.860
Oh,

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he's going to,

03:32:34.360 --> 03:32:34.720
hold on.

03:32:34.800 --> 03:32:35.480
Something's getting broken.

03:32:35.860 --> 03:32:35.960
Oh,

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he's pretending to moon me.

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I have to say,

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this is the most pain.

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I will admit this has got to be more painful for Will than anybody,

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but,

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Yeah, I'm surprised. I didn't know you were going to do that. No. I didn't want to put it on there, but I had to put it on there because it really was like my album for that year at the time. Truth be told, when George asked me what year to pick, he did not realize when I said 1991. He's like, oh, okay. And I was like, yeah, that's going to be some controversy. And all I get back is, oh, yeah.

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You know what, I'm going to give you props, George, for standing to be counted. Good for you. I will not give you props. I get why people don't like the goddamn taste of music. To make John happy, I'm going to say I'm a black album apologist. I like it. I mean, like I said, I understand it's false, but it's still

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has meaning to me.

03:33:46.110 --> 03:33:47.640
Do you still listen to it, though, George?

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What meaning does that album have to you besides soul-crushing?

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Like, disappointment.

03:33:53.210 --> 03:33:54.240
Soul-crushing is good.

03:33:54.350 --> 03:33:55.080
Oh, okay, disappointment.

03:33:55.560 --> 03:33:56.000
No, man.

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There's cool riffs.

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I like the lyrics.

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You know, at the time, you know, I don't know.

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I'm a Metallica fan.

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I'm sorry.

03:34:10.390 --> 03:34:12.740
I don't like saying anger, but other than that, I like pretty much everything.

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Bob Roth. Good for you, man. I think it's great. I mean, that's what we're talking about, right? Like, I mean, when I was thinking about this, I was thinking about 1991 and I was thinking about a combination of things. Like I said, death wasn't necessarily an album that I dug in that moment. So, but so that's probably why it's my number three. You know what I mean? But all the other stuff, it was like how it affected me. And this is actually hard.

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list for me to make.

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Honestly.

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You know, this was like, this was like my prime in terms of like collecting music of a bunch of different genres.

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Oh, all of these.

03:34:54.630 --> 03:34:54.960
You know what?

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We have not done a year that truly wasn't hard in some way.

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Yeah.

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Because we've done this with a few years.

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So no, I, and I do back you up, George, a hundred percent.

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And I, I totally relate to what you're saying, Dan.

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Yeah.

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It's, it's.

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I totally do not relate to anything you said.

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I mean, that's because we're as a dick.

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What I want to know is how many people had that on their honorable mentions list? Let's do honorable mentions list. I want to hear what Matt has to say. I think I was in 6th or 7th grade when that album came out. In Duluth, Minnesota, there was not a ton of shit going on. It was probably one of the most accessible albums of its time. Were you like 11 or 12? I was a baby. I had just come out of the womb. You get a pass at that point.

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You're learning. I thought Matt might actually be on my side for this one. Jordan was an adult. He's gone somewhere with us. My point is, I listened to that album so fucking much, I can never listen to it again. I mean, it just, I have burned out every, whatever part of my ear is that exists. It's Matt's, it's Matt's Led Zeppelin 4 for us. Yeah. I mean, you know, I was, I have. The two, the two, the two songs that still stick in my head are The God That Failed and, um, Of Wolf and Man.

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And I feel like I might be able to still tolerate those. I loved them at the time because, I mean, after Enter Sandman, like every song became a single and they played it to fucking death. And I was playing to death. I just, my vision is me in my bedroom alone playing Tecmo Super Bowl and just knocking out to the lyrics, you know, my friend of misery as I'm scoring touchdowns against Seattle, you know, all these things. And so. Awesome, dude. Great story. I'm starting to like it more right now, but I.

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My claim to fame with that record is my own personal memory. I worked at a record store when it came out, and the only copy of that record I've ever owned, I stole. I just put one in my pocket on the way home when it came out. I swear to God, I don't even think I made it through it. You better not let Lars hear that. I was so dedicated to Metallica up to that moment. I was super dedicated, and I bought the album. I graduated boot camp. I was still at Parris Island, South Carolina. I went to the PX, and I knew the new

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Metallica was out and I drug my whole family over there bought this album I listened to it in our Ford Taurus driving home once and I think I threw it out the window can I point out something real quick we're all telling our stories and for some of us this is like fond memories and for others it's like a 9-11 story it's like I remember where I was yeah to me it was the biggest piece of garbage like I just could not believe I could not believe that I wasted my my my

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Five Minutes of Freedom after graduating from the Marine Corps boot camp. I went to this PX, drug my family along, and listened to this album on our tape deck, and it was such a gigantic piece of shit. Tread Living in San Francisco when this came out. Oh, Christ. There is nothing that triggers Will more than this record. I have no idea. Never bumped into anything else that you cannot help.

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I've been in and out of every war zone you could possibly think of and ones you guys have never even heard of. I have no PTSD. Know what I have PTSD for? Blackout. Fucking listen to this blackout. That's what gives me PTSD. Fucking hate that piece of shit. George, that's your number one. Please tell me you have a good honorable mention, so let's go. I do, but Dan, do you have any? I get to do mine first. Well, all right, so this is

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I'm going to the black album. I'm going to put this one on here. Well, all right. So bolt thrower was on war master. Thank you. Um, again, kind of a retro find for me, actually. Um, corrosion of conformity we've talked about. Um, I'm going to say, uh, slow, deep and hard by typo negative because I was actually, I was actually into that. And, uh, and I, and I am still like, I love typo negative.

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That album was kind of goofy in a way. Yeah, it's a weird one. And I dug it, and I'm okay with it. And whether you call it metal or not, I don't know, but Bad Motor Finger by Soundgarden came out in 1991. And that was a huge album for me, honestly. Much better album than the Blackout Metal list. No, and it's one of those ones that I talk about that right when I say a lot of us,

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We all had to do what we could do to get by in the 90s. That's one of them. There's not even anything wrong with it. I'm just saying there were a lot of metal denier bands that were actually just metal bands. That record represents that. The other thing, too, about that Soundgarden album is it came out in an expanded two-CD form where they had a short little EP on it. They covered Sabbath Bloody Sabbath on that. I had the deluxe version.

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And, you know, Chris Cornell doing Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath. I mean, just if you haven't heard it, just picture it, man. Just like, smelt your skull. That guy, his voice is insane. Is Bad Motorfinger the one that has like Jesus Christ pose and all that stuff? Outshined. That is actually a really good album. Yeah, it is. And it's heavy, too. And it's the one before they truly got kind of radio friendly, even though they always held some of the heavy. It's the last one that I like, actually. Me too. Yeah, agreed. That was it. That's my honorables.

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All right, Matt, you got any? Yes. Bathory, Twilight of the Gods, Sepultura, Arise, Soundgarden, Bad Motorfinger, Morbid Angel, Blessed are the Sick, Entomb, Clandestine, Dismembered Like an Ever-flowing Stream, Meshuggah, Contradictions Collapse, and lastly, Primus, Sailing the Seas of Cheese. Nice. Good one. I love that one. I like that one, too. Hey, by the way, Matt, you're in Minnesota, yeah? Yes.

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So one of my favorite lines from Bad Motor Finger is, I'm feeling California, but I'm looking Minnesota. First off, the question is, Matt, you're in Minnesota. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm looking Minnesota, too. Don't you know. And it looks like it's really nice. Who did? I don't know how long it's been.

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They pull cylinders. It's pretty fancy looking. I mean, he's from here. He went to Berkeley High School and everything. John, you got anything? All right. So we mentioned Catechus Cathedral, Fate's Morning Parallels, a band that nobody knows but me, Conception, The Last Sunset. I know them. Okay, good. So two people know them. And I'm going to put this on here. There are two albums out here. I know George knows.

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this, but I'm putting this on here.

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Sabotage Streets, a rock opera.

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Oh, yeah.

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I absolutely love that album.

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Nice.

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I like it, too.

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John Oliva is just a badass.

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I don't care what anybody says.

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No, I'm right with you, John.

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Yeah.

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I totally agree.

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All right, my honorable mentions, in no particular order, Immolation, Dawn of Possession, Cannibal Corpse Butcher, at Birth.

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I'm surprised this one wasn't mentioned either somewhere at some point. Dark Angel. Time does not heal. Love that album. Nuclear Assault. Out of Order. Bolt Thrower. War Master. Prong. Prove you. Prove you wrong. Slayer. Decade of Aggression. I know it's a live album, but man, I played the shit out of that. And I bought the tab book. The tablature book somewhere over here. Right over here.

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There you go, John. Study that. One I know will never be on no one's list. M.O.D. Surfing M.O.D. I love that album. It was when they started to get just a little bit on the wrong side. A little bit too racist. A little bit too racist, yeah. But I owned it, John. I owned it. Me too. And Massacre from Beyond, still a big Massacre fan. And then Suffocation Effigy.

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of the Forgotten.

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Or Effigy, either way.

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I'm not going to bore you.

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You guys have a multi-settle in mind, but I will just say

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that one of the ones

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that was hardest for me to keep off the list was

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the Type O Negative.

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Though it's just not, it really isn't,

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I wouldn't even count it amongst their best three

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records. Not that it has to be.

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But in any case, that was one that I really

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struggled with putting on the list.

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And then there's like 10 records

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you guys all mentioned that we're all in serious consideration. So I don't have any new titles to add to the pile. Yeah, I've only got two new ones, but I got to mention the others anyway. Boltthruer, Warmaster, Cathedral Forest of Equilibrium, Dismember Like an Ever-flowing Stream, Entombed Clandestine, Ice to Earth, Night of the Storm Rider. Oh, nice. I wondered if you were going to, I thought that was going to be on your list, to be honest with you. And Motorhead 1916, one of my favorite Motorhead albums. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Paradise Lost Gothic,

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Prong, Prove You Wrong, Suffocation, Effigy of the Forgotten, and Typo Negative, Slow, Deep, and Hard. I saw them on the Bloody Kisses tour. They played the lobby of the Flint, Michigan, some sort of theater. And Peter Steele said, I wrote four notes and I made a million dollars.

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Next time I'm going to ride eight. And that was for Black No. 1. Do you think he made a million bucks off that? I think he did. He probably did, yeah. Great stage banter, though. That's what it really is about. I thought there was a biography coming out or something. Wasn't his The Last Days of Peter Steele? There's a book that was forthcoming at some point, and then it kind of, I think one of the other band members wrote it.

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to look at and see if that's what happened to that. Because I really, I don't, I never was real clear to me what happened to him other than I know it's probably cocaine deterioration and whatnot. Yeah, it was a heart attack of some kind, but whether it was induced by something. Driven by that, yeah. I mean, or even just too many years of that, but. Yeah. I just remembered that book was, there's something floating around. I need to look and see what was up with that. Also, when the fuck is K.K. Downing's book coming out? Soon. It's already, they're already talking about it, so it's coming out soon. I'm going to read that. I'd like to read that. Yeah.

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All right, we are in the homestretch. Woo-hoo! What are we listening to?

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I am honestly not listening to anything right now.

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All right.

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That is a first?

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No, I'll tell you exactly what I'm listening to.

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I'm listening to Aretha Franklin's first five Atlantic Records albums.

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Good for you, dude.

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That's what I listened to yesterday.

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All the way from Never Loved a Man through, what is it, like This Is Aretha?

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Or what is that one with Think On It, right?

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Anyway, that was... That's what I listened to yesterday, like five records. Oh, and I also listened to Amazing Grace by Auretha Franklin, which is that live recording of her doing basically church hymns. Yeah. It was brutally good. Cool. Very cool. Matt? Vince McMahon and the New Forest of Stars. I do like that. I found my first stoner band that I've really gotten into this year.

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And secondly, I don't know what the hell is up with Australia, but there is a ton of good shit that is coming out of Australia this year. This band is called Witch Skull. The album's called Coven's Will. I like the title. It's been spinning the new Infra Bruo, the new Rebel Wizard being another Australian band, still spinning Seer Bliss. Not a lot of new stuff on this list. I've still been spinning the same stuff that's been probably the last month. I find this album bizarre, but I like it. The Lion's Daughter, Future

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I like it too. And a band I can consider local, Inixorum, and his album, Laura the Lakes. And then a band called Imperceptum from Germany. That's when he thought was the black gaze, Will. Put it maybe a little bit more in the atmospherical bank. And then... What genre is that? Just keep talking. Just walk right over them.

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I've mentioned this band before, Thy Catafel. Thank you. I dig that album. And then some old Tenure Calvary still. And then been spending time with the prog list that Joan procured for me still. Some good 70s prog. And that is it. And I will respond at some point to you. Don't worry. Yeah, no rush. No rush. No pun. No pun. No pun.

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By the way, when I picked my daughter up from Taekwondo today, there was a guy who was well in his 60s and had a polo shirt that had Rush and it was like a world tour or something on. He had like a black polo shirt. Rush. Yeah, anyway. But if it's a polo shirt, it doesn't count. Guy's a douchebag. That's like having an Alice Cooper golf hat. You know what I mean? Like a fucking... Except that Alice Cooper...

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That was a really bad choice. I regretted that halfway. I was just like, that was the dumbest choice. I could. It's like having a Bruce Dickinson airline pilot's hat. I mean, okay, no, that would be cool. That would be cool. Or just the wings, Jay. Or just, oh, they should sell that shit, man. See? Come on, man. I just made $4,000. You just lobbed the ideas out there and other people watch on them. Yeah, exactly. All right. My list is the usual shit that nobody else listens to. Nope.

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There's just there. Not at all. I mean, I'm so damn tired I couldn't be better if I tried. So I'm getting ready for Prog Power in two weeks. So I've been listening to the Oceans of Slumber stuff. I know nobody else listened to this, but I'm a big fan of Symphony X. Mike Romeo released his first solo album War of the Worlds Part 1. Can I just chime in on that one real quick, John? Sure. You're right, I didn't listen to it. Okay. Anybody else?

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Yeah, I didn't either.

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You'd be missing out because he's an incredible guitarist.

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But, you know, next album, Fuck You Guys, came out with another album.

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I thought it was I'm Sorry.

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The band was I'm Sorry, and the album is Fuck You Jay.

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Actually, Dan, the band is called Fuck You Guys, and this is Fuck You Guys 47.

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Just kidding. I know no one knows this band. They're called The Dying Planet, Facing the Incurable. I've been a fan of the two brothers in this band for 20 years. As a matter of fact, Jay, they're from your area. They're from Pleasanton. Their name band is called Zero Hour. They've been around for a long time. Van George got me into it. I got their first album, Hands of Despair, Hereafter. Good stuff.

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I missed last year that I like, Desolate Shrine. They're from Finland. The album's called Deliverance from the Godless Void. A shit ton of Enslaved This Week and an album I'm shocked no one has mentioned that I've just played more than any of their albums since the mid-year. And I hope I'm saying it right. I think it's Paris. Paris? Oh yeah. Jay mentioned that, I think. Or maybe you? Yeah, it was me. Well, Jay mentioned it, but I think I got it first, but it doesn't matter.

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One of you guys is listening to it. I love that album. I think it's great. What's it called, John? It's Paris. Paris. P-A-R-I-U-S. The Eldritch Realm. If you like, it's... I hate to say tech death because while it's very technical and it's deathy, but it's really proggy, it's very horror influenced. Yeah, it's almost like a soundtrack to a horror movie. With a very nice nod to Rod Sterling. There are some actual

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Rod Sterling overdubs it. It's not him, obviously, but they do it. And it's only 30 minutes. It's just the right amount. It's just perfect. Cool. So. Jay. No, that'd be Bill. Sorry, Will, I meant. The other Jay. Yeah. The other white meat. Just pick this up. Just pick this one up today. We're on vinyl.

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New Album Rift. Good Doom Band. Innumerable Forms. Punishment in Flesh. Death Doom. Really like that one. I'm surprised no one has mentioned this one yet. The Thrasom George Great Brunswick Forest. I thought John would have mentioned that. I listened to it a few times. It's not even officially past one song yet. That's why I didn't mention that.

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Sorry, Thras and George. I listened to that. The band is called Thras and Blat. Thras and Blast. Monolore came out with a cover, EP cover of Fairies Reboots and you gotta believe. On their own sort of drug, let me see, what's the word I'm looking for? Drug Influence? No. Drawn Out. Drawn Out, yeah. Drawn Out, yeah.

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It's like 12 minutes long. Yeah, it's like once they took fairs or booze and put 12 minutes long in. Trappist, ancient brewing tactics. I don't want to get drunk when I listen to it, so I did. No, I'm actually, that may make my year end. As a brewer, I'm all into that. I like it. Good. Good. Good. You passed the test.

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I don't got time to bleed. I'm really

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liking the new monstrosity, the passage of

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existence. And then we got a whole

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bunch of stuff in the box. Oh, do we?

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Yeah.

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It's actually not in the trash can

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this time. That's because I put it back.

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The Tunisian

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band that I heard from Deskable,

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Brood of Hatred,

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Identity Disorder, Great Death

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Doom, I love that band, Farah Bruro,

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Integrity and Krieg have a split.

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Listen to that.

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Space Slug has been putting out an album like every four months.

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They have one called Eye of the Tide.

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I really like that.

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Extremity, Cough and Birth, and Mutilation Rites Chasm.

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All right.

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I'll be quick.

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That's all I've got to say about that.

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That's all he's got to say about that.

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And Farrah Bruro, I like it a lot.

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The Forest of Stars record I'm listening to as well.

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Also, saw on somebody else's feed.

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C's Control, as in S-E-A-S-Control. This is a very Slugge-like band, and they're themed about underwater creatures and stuff in a similarly goofy way, but they started around the same time as Slugge, so it's not like a fever-y thing. And they're good. And this is not the vampire thing, right? The vampire squid, yeah. That's it. Okay, it's different. I agree with Matt that the Future Cult record is cool, however odd it may be. And really, they have another record out in this one.

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just sort of added these keyboards to it. And they kind of, yeah, it's good though. Occult Burial is a band that I put on Enlist a couple years ago. And you're Enlist. They released just two new songs and they're really good. It's called Skeletal Laughter. It's like an EP. And I didn't jump in on purpose, John, because I didn't want to step on your toes. But there is nothing that's come out in the last month or so that I like better than the Pariahs album. It's so good. And it's like, I really can't say enough how people should be listening to this.

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It seems to touch a thousand genres to me almost. And it's super well produced, super interesting and catchy throughout. And the only thing... Go ahead. No, go ahead, Jay. Well, I mean, that's it. And I just... I spun this thing like 20 times. That's an exaggeration. I listen to it a lot. And then... And I don't want to ruin it for you, John. But the guy's trying to do Rod Serling, but to me he sounds like he ends up doing Zat Branigan. Yeah, no, I agree. Zat Branigan.

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Yeah. And on top of that, if this is any incentive, it's purposely can't be in places on purpose. There are like these, ooh, ah, on purpose. And it doesn't cheapen it in any way. And it's going to steal album cover of the year for me. I love that. Those 40s, 50s horror film covers. Yes, I love it. Totally self-aware in the best kind of way.

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and I just I want to know more about these guys because they're bright whoever put this together is

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bright with a cutting sense of humor from the pictures I've seen it look like kids are they from

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Philly or from Philadelphia yeah yeah I don't do any reading that showed up in John's feed a couple weeks ago I bought it and I probably listen to it every day and yes Dan you're you're asking about it Dan give it a spin it's 30 minutes it's you can't go wrong yeah I should have listed it but I've been listening a lot I bought it listen yeah I got it I you know I've been making notes

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Yeah, you're a treat. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. And then I'm still stuck in this fucked up Deep Purple Rainbow, Richie Blackmore, Hell I Can't Get Out of, so I'm listening to a lot of that stuff. He sucks you in, and then he beats you with his guitar. He does. And I got, you know, there's this really shitty MP3 version of the Live in Munich Rainbow record, but I got it on vinyl, and it sounds so fucking good, so I've been listening to that. Still I'm sad, the 47-minute version. It's a little long. I agree.

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That's his days are confused. That record solo could be a little shorter. Just a tad. Just one album size shorter. Yeah, I mean, yeah, they're lucky. I don't know how they fit it under two vinyls. Are you done, Jay? I am. Yeah. Okay, because I've never seen George look more annoyed than ever than right now. I don't think he's annoyed. I think I'm trying to decide if he's about to lay one on us or... I'm about to fall asleep.

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It's after 1 o'clock in the morning. Please come here. This isn't 52 albums. No, there's like 8. I can go home soon. Awesome. Alright. So, the first one, I don't know how to pronounce it, Atavisma, The Chthonic Rituals. This is an album that one of our listeners bought for me. Thank you, Timmy T. He bought it for me on Bandcamp.

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and is pretty cool. It's like French Death Doom. Decline of the Eye, Escape. Matt mentioned that, and so I checked that out, and it is good. Forgot about that one. Also, the Forest of Stars promo for Grave Mounds and Grave Mistakes. Interesting. More on that later. Another episode, anyway. Enixorum, Lore of the Lakes, Minnesota. Nice.

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Infero Bruo, Sarament, of course. Mourn to the Night Unknown, Boston Sludge Post-Metal Band, their new album, good stuff. The Pariahs album, The Eldritch Realm. And, of course, the album that has just completely destroyed my life the last several days when we got the promo. The new Thross and Blot album, Great Brunswick Forest. Oh, my God.

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Oh my god. You know, I'm not doing you any favors, Dan, when I tell you I should also tell you I've been listening to your record a lot, too, so that should have been on my list. Obviously, yes. Yeah, and it is. It's a substantial climb on my list. Jay, stop talking. We're supposed to be talking about Thrasenblatt now. More Thrasenblatt all the time. This album, I mean, they've only released the first single so far, but it'll be out in October.

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And holy shit.

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I mean.

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We have the promo.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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We got the promo.

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And.

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It's different.

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You know.

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Normally Joel's doing this like folky black metal thing.

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But this is like all folk.

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It's a heavy folk.

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And there's some electric guitars here and there.

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Your songs from the wood comparison was not completely inaccurate.

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Yeah.

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I told Joel.

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I was like dude.

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This is songs from the wood.

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For the new millennium.

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And he was like, he loved that.

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What does that mean? Songs from the Woods.

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It's a Jethro Tull album.

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Yeah.

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Oh, so.

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And he's a Jethro Tull fan, correct?

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He is, yes.

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In fact, one of the songs that I can't think of the name of is actually.

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Owner alert.

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It's a, it's ripped straight from the lyrics for Songs from the Woods.

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I'll have to look at the song title.

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Do you want to talk about another song title?

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A singer for Ageless Times, I think it is.

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George Storner.

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You want to talk about that? Sure, yeah. Thank you for reminding me. So, the last song on the album is called Dark Sky Sanctuary. And Joel wrote this after learning from me what a Dark Sky Sanctuary was. And so, he calls it my song. No, he calls it your song, rather. And I know what you're meant. But I mean, that's so people understand where you're coming from. Yeah, sorry, my song.

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Jay, when you say your song, is that like your song in an Elton John way? Yes, that's exactly. Hey, wait a minute. I think from George's side, but not from Joel's side. So I got to name a Thrasenblatt song. So that's pretty cool. At this point, Joel's like, man, am I glad there's a border between these two countries? Not for long. Have you seen the movie Misery? What was that Michael Douglas film with Glenn Close?

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Yeah, mix those two together. You should show up when you go to see Joel, you should bring both of those movies and just be like, I brought films. Bring a hammer and a bunny. There's a plan in the works to go see Joel in October, and I just want to say that there's some interesting interview ideas in the works, so hopefully that will pan out. Just make sure you bring a towel so you can clean it off his face, okay? Oh.

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It's post 1am. It's 1.10 in the morning. And we hit bottom. Yeah. Actually, we hit bottom hours ago. We're just trying desperately to find our ways back up to bottom. Meanwhile, back at the forest. So just for the record, we give George crap for being an Uber fan. I think it's cool. Yeah. I mean that. I didn't have it on my list.

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that whatever fucking year that I had a

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two years ago.

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Yeah.

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A lobotomy on my brain, but I do dig this.

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I did dig the new one.

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Excellent.

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Yeah.

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That gives me warm fuzzies.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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And around your face.

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Yeah.

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Before we go, please make sure to like us on Facebook.

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See what we're listening to.

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And of course, thank you to Dan. And if you recall, hours ago, Phil was here as well. Thank you to those guys for... This was back before Kenneth broke up. A lot has gone down in the last couple hours. You guys entertain me very much, especially the drunker you get. It's really fun to watch you get drunk on the screen here. You entertain us, sir. We are all fans of the record. God bless you for the year that you are having.

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And I will see you face to face

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at Decibel Fest without question.

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Awesome. Thanks, guys.

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Have a good night.

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You too, buddy.

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Thanks.

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All right, this is the end.

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We are out of here.

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See you next time.

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Later.

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Later.