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Hello and welcome to the Metalheads Podcast. My name is George. This is Jay. This is Will. This is John. This is Matt. And this is episode 75. Jay managed to score us an interview with Ross the Boss of Manowar and of course the Ross the Boss band among others. So check that out now. Hello this is George. And this is Jay. And it is a great honor to have Ross the Boss with us. How are you today sir? Hey fellas what's up? Glad to have you buddy.

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Yeah, you know, we've been talking about this for a couple of weeks, and it is truly an honor to have you on. As we understand it, you just returned from a tour outside of the U.S. Where all did you hit? Yeah, well, we started in Europe. We started in Germany, and then we went to Switzerland, and then we went to Italy, and then back to Germany, and then we went to Australia from Italy. We went from Milano.

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We flew to Bangkok and Australia. And we played Sydney, Adelaide, Melbourne, and Brisbane. Wow. Jesus. So first off, your time, your internal time clock has got to be screwed right now. I'm just, I don't know. I found myself, we got back home on Monday. And I got home Tuesday morning at 7 o'clock and we left Brisbane.

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Monday night at 10.50. I mean, it was ridiculous. Two 20-hour plane rides. It was just, you know, my body is still like, sometimes I just feel like passing out. I just feel like passing out, really. I understand that. I really do. People say my band were not affected by jet lag, but you feel it afterwards. So we're just getting back into it.

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The New York to your flight is nothing.

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And you're going the right way. You kind of get the bonus time back on that one.

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Right, but it was insane.

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So on April 20th, you released your new album by Bloodsworn. What can you tell us about the new album?

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Well, I got to tell you, it's a rather very happy thing that we did. The whole thing is really, I wanted to approach this record in a new way, but an old way.

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I mean, I got Dean Rispo to produce my buddy from the Dictators, who I love the guy, one of my best friends. And we were talking about doing it. And he goes, well, we're going to have to do an old school record. We want an old school record, foundations of power metal kind of thing that really made you. We want you to just be yourself in the studio. We want organic sounds. We don't want hyped up computer drum.

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that you hear on every record, auto-tune, all that crap that just is taking the heart out of music. And we said, okay. I said, I'm totally down for it. My band's down. We were tight as can be going into the studio. And just in December, we went in and we just cranked it out. And I mean, Dean just got the best out of me, got the best out of the band, out of La Pond, out of Lance.

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And we just had a wonderful experience recording it. You know, got Mark to sing the basis of all his tracks, of 13 tracks. And then when he went home, Mark went home and, you know, I bought him a real sophisticated thing and he recorded a lot of his vocals at home. He did it himself. And the whole thing really just, from start to finish, really worked out really well.

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who really kind of helped to set this up with you and everything. I got to meet Dean at Gaming Radio and he's just such an immediately nice guy, by the way. He's the best. He's truly one of the greatest human beings on this planet. He said those almost exact same words about you, just so you know. Dean really is a doll. I mean, I don't know what to say about him. He's just been one of the most supportive, intelligent, truthful, talented,

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I mean, there's nothing he can't do. I mean, he's just one of those guys that has been in my court. He's been supporting, supportive of, you know, I mean, you know, and he's like, when it came to the record and the pre-production and working out. He did a great job, by the way. He's a good producer, too. He really is. I mean, he really is. I mean, he had me harmonize everything, everything I played, anything that walked that I could harmonize.

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I harmonize.

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Anyway, so shout out to Dean. Go ahead, George. I know you had a couple more questions. Sure. I wanted to know where you came upon Mark Lopes. How did you hook up with him? Yeah. Okay, so after the second Keep It True, like three years ago, after the whole thing exploded again, because I was a special surprise guest, and my band was these three kids from my neighborhood here, Mike Catoia, Lance

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and Kevin. So, you know, are they? I said, all right. So then all of a sudden that that happened. The place went berserk. Then my agent, my agent wanted to, how you doing? He booked 50 shows. 50 shows. I go, OK, boys, it's time to tour. And they go, we don't want to tour. You know, OK. I said, so you're metal musicians and you don't want to tour Europe.

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Yeah, okay. Makes not much sense. You're a metal technician. You don't want to turn your up. I go, okay. So I said, what should I do? Should I listen to these guys, listen to the kids, or just listen to El Jefe? I said, guys, you're sacked. You're fired. I'm sorry. I'm going out. With or without you? I'm going out.

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Thank you very much for your service. I love you all. So I immediately called Mike LaPond, who's amazing, like the best bass player in the world. He just has an album out recently too. And that's right. And then I called Rhino. I called the first thing for singing, the most critical thing is a singer in my music. So I called, I, I,

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This guy was in my best friend John Rupp's band. He came and opened two of the Ross DeBoer shows with the old lineup. And this guy, Mark Lopes, just came down to be a guest to sing two songs. I think he sang Fast as a Shark. So this guy, Mark Lopes, came in and sang some songs. And I was like, whoa. I said, this guy has an amazing voice. Did he do the big scream at the beginning of Fast as a Shark? What's that? Did he do the big scream?

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at the beginning of Fast as a Shark.

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The whole thing, yeah. The whole nine-yard thing.

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He really impressed me. Twice.

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Two shows he impressed me really twice.

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And I go to my friends, I go, "This guy's surreal, huh?"

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You know? And because he really had stage presence, he had-- he was dynamic, the crowd loved him, you know?

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And it was like, "I like this guy. I really like him."

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So he was the first guy called. So there's Mark Lopes.

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I think best things I ever did is this the same band that you played Vagin with last year yes but this on drums see Rhino became another knucklehead and Rhino said oh I gotta be I gotta get a job I gotta get a job you know I just can't uh well you know you dude you have to be able to support yourself when you're not playing music that's just the world yeah so it goes you know listen we all everybody has you know stuff to do so

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So I called Lance back up. I said Lance, I rescinded you. He's actually my adopted nephew. So I taught him how to play guitar. So basically that was the deal. So I called Lance back up. We did Barking with Lance. And they said Lance, we got to record a record. And Lance is three minutes from here. For the first time I had a band actually that lived near me.

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in New Jersey. I'm here. Lance is here. I mean, Mark is in either Boston or L.A., so that's fine. Mark didn't have to be here for the rehearsal. So I said, Lance, I want you to play on the record. Do you think you can do it? He goes, I know I can do it. So we were able to practice like three, four times a week, three, four, five times a week right here at my batting cage right here. I have a weight room. I went to a rehearsal place.

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And we got so much work done. I mean, it was great. I saw you guys play at Valken last year. And I wasn't sure what to expect. I didn't know that you guys were doing an all-man-a-war set. And so when you guys started playing these songs, I literally lost my mind. I'm generally a pretty stoic guy at a show. I'm like... But I was like tears streaming down my face. I'm like, you know, doing all the...

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Making all the crazy faces, doing the sign of the hammer. I literally lost my shit at this set. You guys were amazing. Oh, thank you. Everybody that was with me was like, who is this crazy guy? This is not how I behave. So that says something to me about what kind of set you played. Right. I was just going to say, do you have any interesting stories from Valken last year? Yeah. What's it like from an artist perspective? That's a good question. Everybody, when you, they really take good care

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They take care of you. We were playing main stage. So they really, really take care of you. They make a picture for you, an illustration. We had a Ross the Boss cake in our dressing room. The crew was dolls, man. Everything is set for you. It's just a first class operation. There's so many people there and so much money.

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So much goodwill to the people and the van. And then, and, you know, cause we just did the Valken cruise. You see my shirt? Yeah. Yeah. Metal cruise. Uh huh. Right on. We just did it a couple of weeks ago. And, uh, they, you know, cause we obviously made an impression on them. They invited us on their cruise. But, um, it's really, it was a lot of fun to play. A lot of fun. Just so many cool people. I mean, really. Yeah. I, it was my first time going and I just couldn't

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I mean, it's so huge compared to anything we have here in America. And just all the different people from all around the world that come here, and they're just all getting along and playing metal and listening to metal. It's like utopia. It was 90,000 people that day. Yeah. It was nuts. 90,000 people. I never saw it. I mean, it was amazing. And then it was 120 the next day. It was more. Yeah. Crazy. Every day, it just kept getting bigger and bigger. I was like, wow, that's a lot of

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of people until the next day. And I was like, oh my God, there's even more. But you'd know better than, go ahead. Luckily it didn't rain. It rained once before we went on. Like it blasted once. It was like, whoa. And then it stopped. Yeah. I remember because I was, I took my, my poncho off to listen to you guys. Cause it had been raining during like the, like the opening ceremony thing where they're doing the cover songs and Dora was there and, and all that. It was pouring down then. I know. But yeah.

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You feel, I mean, my perception, and I think it's a correct one, you'd know better than me, Ross. I mean, the reception of heavy metal in general in Europe is just much better than the States, isn't it? I mean, how is that for you when you do a tour over there and things like that? It's night and day. I mean, first of all, Europeans outside this country, people have actual respect for musicians. You know, like respect, you know, they know who you are. I mean, they, you know.

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Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and people have respect for musicians here, but not like in the way, it's not in the way, you know. Plus, it's their culture, especially the things that we talk about in our songs. It's their culture. A lot of it, you know, especially Germany, UK, you know, Norse countries, you know. Duh. I mean, you know. For sure. Italy, Greece, especially Greece, the war, all the warrior.

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I mean, you know, it's their culture, where our songs came from. So they can definitely relate, definitely relate to what we're coming from.

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I recall when we were there at Valken that they mentioned that you had just been inducted into the Hall of Heavy Metal History. What was that like?

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That started last, a year before that, January. At January last year. And it's a new thing, and I was in the first class, and I couldn't believe it.

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I mean, I got the call and they said, you're in the first class, Ross.

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You know, and it's a tremendous honor.

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They just did the second one.

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I couldn't believe it.

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And they, on stage, they gave me the Global Medal Ambassador Award right after the sec.

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Remember that?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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So I have a big, big award in my house, you know.

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Yeah, it's great.

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I mean, to be recognized by my peers and people.

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I went and looked at the website earlier and you know you had like Rudy Sarzo and Eddie Trunk and Wendy Dio and Mickey D and all these people there. I was like wow. Randy Rhodes. Yeah. You know. Yeah. To be in there and with those guys I mean it's pretty good. I mean I couldn't I can't you know. I mean it wasn't the thing though. But it was great. I mean it's still going to be a great thing for heavy metal. Yeah. But I mean internally from you

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You were looking outward at that. Just so you know, you do fit in that class with us. For us. Those of us who like you and grew up with you. I remember my first Manowar record was Into Glory, right? I thought it was on vacation with my parents. I was like, what the fuck is this? I bought that when I was buying Iron Maiden records, dude. It would fit right in there. I didn't know the difference between you guys and them, and I still don't. You're an important part of metal history. That's worth internalizing. It's nice to

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you to be humble about it.

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Yeah, yesterday I was trying to figure out, you know, where exactly, if I had like a list of all my favorite artists, metal artists of all time, where does Manwar fit in there? And you actually make number five. But you're only behind Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, and Dio.

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Well, I consider that's quite an honor. It truly is. I mean, you know, I can't dispute that. I mean, you know.

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What got you into metal, Ross? What were some of your first early heavy metal experiences that we knew when you were like, I want to be part of this?

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The whole metal thing, I mean, listen, I started in the Dictators and had my record contract when I was like just 19 or something. And I had always been impressed. I started as a blues guitar player, which I basically am, you know, blues rock guitar player.

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And my influences were, of course, B.B. King, the greatest guitar player in the world ever. With you there. And then Eric Clapton and, you know, Cream and the heavy bands and Led Zeppelin and that kind of stuff really, I mean, the English blues wave really, you know, made me who I am. I mean, you know, it was just incredible. I mean, Peter Frampton and Peter Green.

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and guys like that and really you know that's what started me all i mean you know the blues and and and you know and i just my yearning for heavy pete townsend the yearning for heavy heavy heavy music you know i i didn't know it was heavy metal and i didn't realize the description of it what it would have been but when black sabbath started that's that's what really i mean it pointed me to like that's the thing that is really

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That's where it's at.

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That big.

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You know.

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And the Blue Oyster Cult was a big influence on me.

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That was my manager on the Dictators in Shaking Street.

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And Buck Dharma was a huge influence.

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That first Blue Oyster Cult record.

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The very BFC record.

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When I heard him, I go, this guy's fucking great.

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And that really, that cinched it for me.

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I knew it. And then, you know, in the Dictators and Dicksides, I was just always the heavy guitar player. James Hetfield said you were always the heavy guy in the band, the guy that always wanted to play the heavy music, you know. And then, you know, Mark Mendoza joined the band for one album. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. Oh, no, yeah, I did know that. I just watched the Twisted Sister documentary, and that's mentioned in there. He was, you know, and we meet him with just heavy, just heavy musicians. Does he live out in Queens? Do you live near him? Is he?

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Yeah. So.

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You still running to work sometimes?

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Occasionally, yeah.

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I talk to them.

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So that's the deal.

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That was the deal with, you know, heavy music.

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It just became part of me.

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So the new album starts off with a title track.

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And right away, you can kind of tell that where Manowar got its sound.

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The guitar.

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What I'm trying to say is it sounds like you.

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And was that one of the first songs you wrote for the album? No, I think so. It just had that riff Mike and I was working on. It just turned out to be the title track of the record. It has to be the lead off track. We did it like that. I just had the riff, you know, which is definitely reminiscent of Blood of My Enemies. A lot of the haters, they go,

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You ripped that whole thing off. You ripped the whole entire song off.

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Dude, you wrote it.

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Show me. Where did I rip the entire song off? Not a chance.

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That would fail in copyright court.

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I mean, yeah, people say, ripping yourself off.

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I said, wait a minute. I'm ripping myself off.

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I mean, what is the problem with that?

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It reminds me, I don't know if you remember this, but when John, what's his name?

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The guy from CC at Creedence Clearwater.

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Fogarty.

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He doesn't own his...

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Yeah, Fogarty.

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John Fogerty was once sued for, because he doesn't own his old songs, and he was sued for ripping himself off. I mean, it's just a joke, man. I mean, it makes no sense. If I actually did a full rip-off, the mayor would be suing me already, so. So let me ask you this. Do you talk to Joey sometimes? No. No? Yeah. Yeah. And from an outsider's perspective, I think I can understand why. There's so much more history that you have that I obviously don't know about, but yeah, well, they're wrapping it up. I mean,

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What do you know about that about them calling it a day? Because they've been so quiet about it. You know, you know, I know that, honestly, I know that Mr. Adams is not a happy camper. Do you still talk to him? No, I talked to his son, though. Yeah. Oh, Eric. You know, I gave Eric Adams his name. Is that right? His real name is like Lou or something like that. Louis Murillo. Yeah, because.

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A friend of mine sent me a video of him and he like does like hunting videos or something. And I was like, what the hell is this? They live up in Auburn and they go hunting. He goes hunting and he feeds his family with that meat. He used to give me tons of venison to come home with. My friend didn't tell me what it was. He's just like, watch this video. And it's like, you know, blah, blah, blah with Lou so-and-so. And I'm like, okay, I'm watching, trying to figure out.

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And I was like, wait a minute, that's Eric. Wow. So, yeah, one of the Manowar questions I had wanted to ask you is one that, as a fan, I've never really got an answer for, and that was, why did you end up leaving the band originally? I've heard that you were asked to leave by Joey. Why? Well, I'm just going to tell you what happened. I mean, listen, we went through a phase that we were kind of arguing with each other.

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for a little bit and and he was telling me how to look when I did my interviews and what to wear and what not to wear and he was really becoming absolutely ridiculous because I had seen all these journalists for the dictators and Shakin Street I had made four major label records before Joey DeMeo was even in the music business yeah and he's micromanaging you yeah first of all you don't know and you don't tell me what to do you're just not we're partners and you're not the boss of me that's just

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When your name is Ross the boss, by the way, that should be obvious. I said, what are you doing? I mean, you know, it's like, and this guy, he got more and more like, I control everything. I control everything that anyone says, what everyone does, what, how everyone looks, what bands you like, this and that. Day by day became like more of a megalomaniac and definitely wanted to control all the money, control, you know, everything. And, you know, I saw where,

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was going. And I didn't want to leave because we had just recorded Kings of Metal, you know. But he thought it was the good time, right before Kings of Metal, the most perfect time to get rid of his partner, right before the band's big record came out. That's crazy. As far as I'm concerned, in the book of heavy metal, the first six chapters are the first six Manowar albums. And the drop after is precipitous, by the way. Your absence was notable.

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Yeah. And we're not just like, we're not just buttering you up. I mean, that's, that was a big deal. Yeah. I like some of the albums that have come after, but none of them have had the same spirit and quality as the ones you were on. Spirit had left. Yes. Yeah, exactly. Looking back at it, I was thinking I couldn't be in a band with him because he was just too, too, you know. Joey. Yeah. Controlling too, you know.

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Not fun.

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But that must have been hard for you to leave something you love so much.

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Yes, and because I put so much work into it.

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You know, I had my first record contract with Curry, and I, you know, did all the heavy lifting, all the suffering, all the frickin', you know, all that.

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And then, you know, can you imagine if I was still in the band when Kings of Metal came out?

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Could you imagine what that tour could have been?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And yet and next they got this guy, David Shankle, who always goes, "Who's the fastest guitar player in Chicago?" He had this thing fast. Everything had to be fast all of a sudden. "Who's the fastest guitar player in Chicago?" David Shankle. And so this kid, he gets someone in the band that has zero musical experience to fill the second most important position in a heavy metal band.

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And so he gets this guy that had no really nice guy David Shankle. He really is. You know. But you can't replace me, you know, world-class guitar player, with someone that had no nothing. Yeah. Somebody who was really good at scales. Yeah, really. I mean, that's not cool. I mean, there's a difference between delivering something with spirit and somebody just, as you say, being able to play really fast. Yeah. Which was kind of a disease at that time.

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You know, that was really running through the... I mean, that bumblebee sound with that. It sounds like a keyboard. There's no viciousness. There's no digging into the strings. There's no rock and roll. There's no blues. There's no soul. There's no nothing. It's just pure... Technique. Yeah, which is meaningless to me. Right. Yeah, me too. We're on the same page. So, back in 2005, you guys did that...

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Was that Earthshaker? Where all past and present members got together and played? What was that like for you? Well, that was kind of nice. It was nice that that happened. We were actually talking about a whole tour. But it kind of like got down to one show. But it was nice to do that. Yeah. It doesn't sound like there's any doorway open for doing anything in the future based on the way you were just

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I mean, would you ever consider doing anything again?

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I would consider doing anything with my friends if it could be worked out.

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I mean, you know, I just think that I'm in a better place now.

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You know, those guys, those two, I mean, Donnie's not even in the band anymore.

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He got ejected.

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Really?

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And, yeah, he got a Brazilian drummer.

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And Joey's doing his spoken word tour soon. Yeah. Spoken word tour. And then the dates in 2019. You know, 2019. I just don't get it. I don't understand it. I just don't. You know, he had a show in Stuttgart, which he canceled. And he canceled it and had all the tickets and kept all the money and they rescheduled it for 2019. Gotcha. Gotcha. Yeah. You know, it's

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It's just shenanigans.

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I'm not surprising though from an outsider's perspective. That's not super surprising.

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It just got real quiet in the Manor camp in the last couple of years as far as press is concerned.

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I assume people weren't telling him.

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It's not about music with him. It's just about...

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I don't know.

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Whatever it is.

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I'm going to take a real weird left turn here.

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And I wanted to ask you how you got Orson Welles to do stuff for you guys. And did you get to meet him? Yes. Yeah. What was he like? He was incredible. I mean, we, we need, I had written this song, Dark Avenger, Dark Avenger. And, and, and there was this section that with the A minor and the D minor and, you know, just the loping section that needed that. I said, I mean, I said, we, boy, should we shook? There's a narration in there. Away from the song, like just the narration about the Dark Avenger.

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And so who could we get? We thought James Earl Jones and Vincent Price and Bela Lugosi. I mean, he wasn't alive. But we felt a lot of, you know, all the guys with the big Pavarotti, maybe. I don't know. But he wasn't. But we wanted a guy with the deepest voice. And Orson Welles, that guy. I mean, so my man, Curry from EMI.

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I looked him up, looked up the manager, looked where he lived. He lived in Las Vegas. And we got in touch with him and he said he agreed to do it. And he was actually in town on the night of a thousand stars or a hundred stars at Radio City Music Hall. And it worked out perfectly. We rented Media Sound. We went up there and recorded. We recorded Dark Avenger, Defender, and the intro. That is the greatest show opener ever. I'm sorry. I get goosebumps every time.

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I hear that.

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It's amazing.

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In fact, I, you know, I'm flustered here.

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I was in the car yesterday listening to the new album on my way home from work.

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And this actually leads me to another question.

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But your new version of The Oath came on.

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And I actually took a picture.

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I had goosebumps all up and down my arm.

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I was just like, that song.

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And when you played it at Wagen, I just about shit myself.

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I was...

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Yeah.

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So...

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It got good.

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The question that I wanted to lead into there was, how did you decide which Manowar songs to put on there?

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Each Dawn I Die, The Oath, and Hail and Kill.

00:30:27.740 --> 00:30:28.000
Good question.

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I just like those three songs.

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We've been playing them live, and I just thought that those three didn't get the right mixes on the original records.

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Mm-hmm.

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The Oath, especially.

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That record is just guitarless. It's sans guitar. It's the bass record. Yeah. You know, so I just wanted to hear the three songs with my touch to it. And I think they really, the three of those songs really came out good, Boyd. Yeah, they did, obviously, based on my goosebumps. They're almost over tipping Manowar. Dare I say so? I think you dare.

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Walking on Sacred Ground, I know that. But, yeah, no, I just, listen, the Oats came out really good. So some of the new songs on the album have a bit of a punky feel. There seems to be a nice mix of like metal and punk snarl kind of go on. Is that like a nod back to the Dictators or what is that? No, not really. It's just a nod back to the rock and roll that I wrote with Manowar.

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and Deftone and Shellshock and Fast Taker and The Oath. Songs like that.

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Cool.

00:31:53.140 --> 00:31:54.960
I do want to know, actually. I'm dying to know this.

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Ross, what do you use for equipment?

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What's your basic amp and guitar setup?

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Well, I use now, I'm a supporter of Angle.

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The Angle Powerball 2 is my new favorite amplifier in the world.

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And I don't use any effect pedals.

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That's one thing about me.

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That's my trade in my whole career. I don't use anything. Anything. I just plug the guitar right into the amp, and that's how I do it. And the Powerball 2 is just an incredible amp. Just Powerball 2, one bottom, two bottoms, doesn't matter. That's it. And I have a brand new guitar. You want to see my brand new guitar? Yeah, definitely. I have it here. It was made for me by this guy from...

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Romania. His name is Christian Grosso and the company is named Grossman Guitars. And it is really the best guitar. He's made me the best guitar I've ever had. Oh, yeah. SG feel to it. Very cool, man. Nice. It's pretty. Oh, it's amazing. Strings through the body. Yep. Right on. What are the pickups? What are the pickups in there? Or Tesla.

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Tesla. You ever hear of him? Tesla pickups? I have. I'm a player. Yeah, we both play. But he's better. Oh, yeah. Sorry. Beautiful, man. Damn. Nice. I think it's wicked. Yeah, it's gross. Yeah, fuck yeah. I love it. Grossman is it? All right. I'm going to look him up. Beautiful. He's amazing. And I don't even know how much he would charge for something like this.

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It's got the heft to it.

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Yeah.

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That's awesome.

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Beautiful.

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Yep.

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So, uh,

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the, the song devil's day, I was listening to that and, uh,

00:34:01.050 --> 00:34:04.540
it kind of reminded me of like an old Alice Cooper vibe was, uh,

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do you hear that?

00:34:06.940 --> 00:34:07.080
Yeah.

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Are you an Alice Cooper fan?

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Yes.

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Yes, I am. Absolutely. Cool. Did you ever have cause to run into him? Did you guys ever play a show near or in or around with him? I'm really friends with his Dennis Dunaway. Oh, right on. He's in Blue Coop, my Albert Bouchard group. I was in Brain Surgeons with Albert. So he's Dennis is a good friend. He's on Ellis' new record. He did some stuff on it. Yes. He guessed it on it.

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I think. That's awesome. Yeah, I love Dennis. I love the old stuff. I meant to ask this question earlier, but the flow of things go where the flow of things goes. I was wondering if you could, I've heard this story before in press, but I was wondering if you could tell us the origin story for Man of War, like the whole, we met on English ground, a backstage room, you heard the sound, all that. How did all that come about? Because that's like, you know, that's like biblical in terms of

00:35:10.200 --> 00:35:10.820
Manowar.

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Yeah.

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Well, we were, I was in this band, Shaking Street.

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After the Dictators, I got a job.

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This band from Sandy Perlman found this band in Paris.

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It was on CBS France already, and they needed a guitar player.

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And the Dictators were just recently on a hiatus, and Sandy goes, "I have a guitar player

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perfect for your band."

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So I get the call.

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Next morning, I'm at JFK, fly to Paris, boom, boom, boom, play five seconds, and I'm hired for Shaken Street, and we make the record in San Francisco, then I find myself where we're opening up for Black Sabbath in England. Black fucking Sabbath in England. Yeah. You know, and, oh my God, and Ronnie Diaz.

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I'm like, I can't believe this is. So I'm standing there after a sound, one of my, we did a sound check and Dio comes up to me and goes, Hey Russ, man. Hey man. I go, I really like, love the dictators and I love the New York rock scene and I love what you're doing. I love the way you play. I go, thank you. And I think you should meet my friend. He's working with us on the crew. He's here. His name is Joe.

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"Joy, you should seek him out. I think you guys would get along." And I go, "Okay." I'm like, "Yes, sir." Yes. Yes, sir. And I, so I seek Joey out and we became friends. You know, that's when he was nice, really nice. We were like, you know, we started getting along. We started like, "Well, I like this band. I like this band and this is the way we should do it."

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"Do you want to form a band?" I'm looking to do something a little heavier than "Shaken Street" and he goes "Yeah man" and I go "Let's do it" So the last show I played with "Shaken Street" was Aloha Stadium in Hawaii and after that we went off the road and started writing songs blah blah blah, that's this kind of history But Ryan Dio was the guy that actually is amazing and the other thing that he did introduced me to Joey and you know

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That's epic, actually, man. That's super cool. That's the hand of God right there. Oh, God. How did Eric come into the picture? Eric came because Joey knew Eric from his hometown. Okay. He was a very well-known singer in Auburn. And once I heard him sing, I said, this guy's got him. This guy's what a fucking voice this guy's got on him.

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because you've got history with those guys. I do have to say he's one of the top vocalists in metal history. Eric is incredible. He's incredible, yeah. And back in his prime, he was just insane. It was insane. And Mark idolizes Eric. Really. We love him.

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Now they, you know, he doesn't sing the way he used to sing. No, he doesn't. How the fuck did you become Ross Funicello in The Dictators? That's the strangest name there. That was a dirty trick pulled by my manager, Sandy Herman. All the dictators were Jewish kids from the Bronx, and we had to get, we had to get, I said, we can't use these names. I said, these names suck, so we have to take different names. Yeah, I mean, Ross Friedman. Right. As a rock name, just doesn't get it, you know. Richard Norman.

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And then Sandy goes, what about

00:39:13.720 --> 00:39:18.440
another fun and shallow? You get the fun, you know, the dictators, you get the fun, and you know,

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you're part Italian anyway. And I go, that sucks, man.

00:39:23.940 --> 00:39:24.980
I hate it.

00:39:26.480 --> 00:39:28.600
Where did Ross the Boss come from?

00:39:30.040 --> 00:39:31.720
Yeah, how did we get to that?

00:39:33.359 --> 00:40:02.000
And my friends, they said, you know, if you want to win, call Ross the boss. Ross is the boss. Okay. It works. Yeah. I wanted to talk about one other former member of Manowar, Scott Columbus. I got to meet him once, and he was incredibly nice and seemed like a really fun guide. I was wondering if you just had any

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Good or funny stories about Scott from back in the day? Well, Scott and I were like some of the best friends and we really got along great with him. He was a great guy. I touched bases back with the first Rosterboss band, my German band, and I brought him out on the road with me. He played drums. I had like two drummers.

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And we were honored to have him, but he was so far gone on drugs and alcohol, and I could see that he wasn't long for this. But he did some great shows with us, and people were really glad to see him. All my memories of him are really good, but at the end, it was terrible. Sorry to hear that, too. His loss was a loss, and it was a surprise to me, because I don't know how Scott was living

00:41:02.040 --> 00:41:31.880
in his life at the time. We didn't see it up close like you did. He just couldn't get out of the drugs and alcohol. He just couldn't rehabilitate himself. I said, you know, he told me there's so much to live for. He just couldn't do it. Yeah, yeah. Getting back on to music, after having done this for so many years, where do you continue to pull inspiration from for new music? Well, I pull inspiration from the fact that I, when I play, I just, I get this feeling,

00:41:32.020 --> 00:42:01.540
in my guts that this is what I was put on the planet to do. I'm still thrilled to play in front of people. I still get that feeling in my gut when I have to go on. I still get that rush of... There's no word I can describe to you how it is to play in front of people. There's no rush. There's no... We just did a show in Melbourne last Saturday night, Australia.

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Did you see the pictures of it? No, not yet. You can see this? I mean, we had... Oh, fucking hey, dude. Yeah. It's a nice crowd. I mean, that was the first time any Manowar played Australia. Oh, right on. They kind of saw the real deal. The real deal, yeah. Yeah, I know. Hey, man. They saw the punk rock stripped down version of Manowar.

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No solos, no speeches, no backing tapes, no nothing. No bullshit. No speeches. We just destroyed them. That's a good mention. No speeches. Those speeches. Those are rough. Tell me about it. I had to adore one every single night. He knew how I felt about that. He just did it to piss me off.

00:43:02.080 --> 00:43:02.960
Yeah.

00:43:05.900 --> 00:43:09.120
Do you have a favorite Manowar album and/or song?

00:43:10.620 --> 00:43:21.620
My favorite Manowar song? Like "Each Gone I Die" I think is one of the best ones I wrote. I think really, "Cavalier" said it's like the heaviest riff ever. He's one of the greatest riffs ever written.

00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:22.960
Can't deny that.

00:43:24.260 --> 00:43:31.940
I mean, all the records. I think the first record I loved the most.

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because it was the first one. And it took us such a hard time to get there, just to get the record contract, to get the equipment, to get everything up and running. That fucking record was just unlike nothing that had ever been before. Yeah, it's kind of amazing to me that that was, what, 82, I think? And, you know, what else was even like that at the time? How did you guys come up with this stuff? I mean, I know, like, the whole thrash thing was another year or so away.

00:44:01.960 --> 00:44:30.020
And it's just like, you know, where did you guys pull this stuff from? Well, I had a lot of influence. I had Richard Wagner, who was a big influence. You know, Thor, Marvel Comics, Conan the Barbarian. When we first saw that movie, it was really kind of cinched things for the band. You know, that whole thing. Yeah.

00:44:30.720 --> 00:44:38.240
That's nice to know that those were some of the influences, because those are things that I think we identify with. They give me a Man of War vibe, you know, for sure.

00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:48.560
Right. And I just thought that the band would be different. We didn't want to be like Judas Priest and Iron Maiden, although they were very good and great, you know.

00:44:48.560 --> 00:44:49.040
Sure, yeah.

00:44:49.160 --> 00:44:52.220
If we looked the same, we'd just be the same.

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If we looked the same like everybody else, they'd be the same like everybody else. We'd be the same like everything else.

00:44:58.350 --> 00:44:58.920
Yeah, yeah.

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I thought that we should stick out. We should do what everyone else is not doing. And we looked a little ridiculous at times. I was going to say, what did you think of the long cloths? Nothing, man. I don't think it aged well. You know, we did what we wanted. We did it our way. We caught a lot of shit for it. I mean, we did.

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But you really stood out from the pack, and I think that's what you said you were going for. And you made a lot of fans for it, too. I mean, for everybody, for every one person who's... We know that we would negate a lot of people, but we knew we'd get a lot, you know? Not everyone was being more fan of this world. Absolutely. More than not.

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We had our group of metal fans, and then there was the subgroup of us that were the Manowar fans. And we were like the rabid, maniacal, just fanatical about those early Manowar albums. And it was like a whole different subset. It's like a genre. Actually, it's almost a genre unto itself. It was like cult religion. Yeah. To this day, these people on Facebook, all they do is post

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pictures of my era.

00:46:31.840 --> 00:46:32.360
You know?

00:46:32.660 --> 00:46:33.080
Oh, dude.

00:46:33.240 --> 00:46:33.620
Yeah, no.

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That's a given.

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No matter what.

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All these people are amazing.

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And they become RTB fans.

00:46:39.100 --> 00:46:40.000
I mean, you know.

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But more and more Manila fans are becoming my fans too.

00:46:44.020 --> 00:46:46.300
So maybe he hasn't worried a lot.

00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:55.800
Can I, I just want to give you a plug, Ross, but also have you talk about a little bit your show, the thing you're doing for Gimme Radio now.

00:46:56.960 --> 00:46:58.560
Can you kind of just tell people what you're doing?

00:46:59.320 --> 00:46:59.760
Yeah.

00:47:01.360 --> 00:47:04.000
I was asked by Dean Whistler again.

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He was telling me about a new thing he has got going.

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It's called Gimme Radio.

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Now Gimme Radio is an online metal 24 hours music thing,

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which you can also purchase vinyl from.

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And he asked me, would you like to do a show?

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I go, I've never done anything like that.

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I mean, he said, he goes, you're perfect for it.

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He goes, "Okay." So what it is, it's Ross the Boss from The Cage. That's the name of my show. And I record it right here, exact spot where I am. We have a microphone into this said Macintosh. And I've been doing it. I'm waiting for Dean to get back from Bass Country to record four more shows. I need to do some new shows. But it's been fantastic. I mean, it's taught me a lot.

00:47:59.140 --> 00:48:04.200
I really don't listen to any of the stuff. I just don't have time for it.

00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:07.880
I was gonna ask you if you were choosing stuff.

00:48:08.359 --> 00:48:09.360
I would my own music.

00:48:10.200 --> 00:48:12.240
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, for sure.

00:48:13.040 --> 00:48:15.040
Hey, is the new one, is the new record coming out on vinyl?

00:48:15.700 --> 00:48:15.980
What's that?

00:48:16.520 --> 00:48:19.460
Is the new record gonna come out on vinyl? You mentioned vinyl and we're vinyl guys.

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It is, okay.

00:48:20.280 --> 00:48:21.740
It's out on vinyl, let me show you.

00:48:22.780 --> 00:48:23.520
the CD.

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Nice.

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This is the box.

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Oh, cool.

00:48:29.820 --> 00:48:31.220
I mean, I think we have bad ass art.

00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:34.440
I think this art is just, it's just insane.

00:48:34.700 --> 00:48:36.080
I think it's better than Manor Wars art.

00:48:36.140 --> 00:48:36.680
Who did the art?

00:48:36.700 --> 00:48:37.160
It's killer.

00:48:38.500 --> 00:48:40.240
Stan W. Decker of France.

00:48:40.700 --> 00:48:40.820
Okay.

00:48:41.580 --> 00:48:41.660
Cool.

00:48:42.420 --> 00:48:43.060
Yeah, it's badass.

00:48:43.220 --> 00:48:43.840
That's some good art.

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Box set.

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Awesome.

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Yeah.

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So, I mean, I feel really blessed. I think this new record is great. I think everyone did a great job on it. I think the playing is superb. I think the sound of it is superb. And I think that, I don't know, I got three solo records now. Fuck yeah. I like the look of that. We Met a Leader, 2008. Ailskorn, 2010. That's the best cover. That new cover is the best cover, for sure. Oh yeah.

00:49:20.580 --> 00:49:49.360
I do? Death Dealer? Sure. Yeah, I know all that stuff. I even have Manitoba's Wild Kingdom on vinyl. That's a good one. That's a good one. You know, so, I mean, I have output. I've put out five metal releases since 2008. How many of Joe, how many Joe put out? Actually, I don't know. Have there been, what has been since 2008? There's been, I don't know, one or two. I honestly haven't kept up with it, you know, for a while.

00:49:50.400 --> 00:50:19.680
It's not a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're resting on their laurels, man. They're not visible. I don't know what they're doing. He's probably out of ideas. Because if he had the songs that I had, you'd hear him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Fucking hearing it. Well, you're filling in the space, man. Yeah, you know, that's greatly appreciated. I know you're playing at Prog Power in the fall. Are you doing any other American shows? Yeah, we have.

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We have five shows in June. Did you see the lyric video? Yeah. Yeah. It was awesome. Yeah, I actually, I've seen it before, but I made a point of watching it again before we got on just because I wanted to make, I want to get as Ross the Bossed up as I could before we started. Okay. So 627, New Bedford, The Vault, 628, Sellersville, Sellersville Theater, 629, Worchester, Maine, Ralph Steiner, 630, Syracuse,

00:50:50.579 --> 00:51:19.700
We shot the video and set 71 teen neck New York before we go to neck New Jersey before we go to head off to rock hards festival in Barcelona we have two festivals. Oh nice. Allen start rock hards and seven six Barcelona. It's huge rock fest. Awesome. Sweet. Another one. Seven shows coming up. And by the way there was a little American

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who were, you know, in March. And then you guys were over in Europe through April. And that's what got you to Australia, so on and so forth. I mean, you guys have been getting out there, man. Yeah, man. So if you get a chance, go out and check out one of these shows because I can, from experience, say that you're going to like it. Yeah, and we're expanding our repertoire. Our repertoire has expanded greatly. I mean, people are asking me, are you going to do any of your first two solo records? I go, well, we might do. There's a couple that really

00:51:49.720 --> 00:52:19.120
Mark really likes to sing. It all depends on him. I mean, the band could whip up. I mean, Steve Bolle is an incredible... I mean, my band. Let me just tell you about my band. My band is class A1, A, A, A, world class, top of the line band. My band, I'll put it against anything that exists on this planet right now. I think that... I think Bolle is even better than... I mean,

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Bully's even better than Lance and Rhino. Both Lance and Rhino are great drummers. Bully is on top of the beat. I mean, it's just insane. I mean, he's incredible. I mean, we had his band is really, I mean, we were really good. I mean, we were fucking good. Then when Bully came on, it's that extra, you know, it's that extra bit of excellence that's in there. And we really enjoy playing together. And I'm having a great time with this. I mean, I really am. We just, Lupon is a sweetheart.

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I love the guy. Mark's great. Dedicated. Durable. Nothing can stop him. You know. I have a warrior band. I have a band full of warriors and not warriors. That is a very good saying. Yeah. Oh, and I have another Valken good one for you. Yeah? We were the only band. Our sound man, Rene, who's the fifth member of the band, was asked to turn it down at Valken.

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Can you imagine that? In honor of being told to... He said he had it up to 108 decibels. Wow. I mean, you were there. Yeah. Oh, it was fucking loud. But loud but good, right? Oh, yeah. No, I couldn't believe actually how good the sound was for everybody at Valken. I mean, I don't know what they... Maybe it's their sound system, but the sound over there sounds better than anything I hear over here. Over here, a lot of the stuff's muffled.

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80 sound woofers, bass woofers were right in front of the stage. Incredible. 80 of them. So powerful. But we were asked to turn the honor, just the great honor of being told to turn the metal vest. Winnie the Ross the Boss t-shirt that on the back says, too loud for vodka. That's got to be your tagline, man. I'm going to run that right now. By the way, did you know that we were, fun fact, Ross the Boss

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Fun Fact. Wait, you're gonna check the media. I'm gonna run that. I just inspired myself. I'll buy that. So. All right. Anything else, Jay? No, I just, I just want to say that it's been a blast. I mean, I, this is a real thrill for us, man. We've made that clear. And maybe sometimes in interviews, we try not to do that. But with somebody like you, who's a big part of our teenage years, and you know, we're a little long in the tooth now. So you've been a big part of our lives.

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It's just cool of you for spending the time, Ross. We really appreciate it, man. Listen, I'm highly recommended by Dean, and you guys have been great, and it's an honor to be on your show and sharing memories and fun facts. Cool. I'm going to stay in touch with Dean for sure. George said he has one more question, so let's get that. Okay, go ahead. Yeah, I just want to know what's next for you, musically speaking. I mean, obviously you've got shows coming up. Are you going to use this momentum and work on a new album, or what's going on? Well, this momentum is just,

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It's ongoing. It's not stopping. The big tour October, November in Europe. Since we were down in Australia, Stu's band Night Legion was opening for us from Death Dealer. So the third, believe it or not, a third Death Dealer record is going to happen. That's right. And yeah, listen, I don't have a lot of work to do in that band. I just have to put my ideas in, my solos and stuff like that. And a third Death Dealer. But the Ross the Boss band is the

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The most important thing, obviously, the most important thing for the label for us. The momentum is definitely building. I mean, it's just that you can feel it. I mean, we charted at 53 in Germany. So it's considered a hit record. That's awesome. So, you know, eventually in my life, I'm going to do a blues record. And eventually.

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I'd like blues. You have to find the right platform. And that ain't easy. You know. You're at the cage, Ross. Who's your team? Who's your baseball team? You're at the cage. I just want to know. I'm sorry? The New York Mets who are falling apart. You're a Mets fan? The Mets are freaking falling apart. Sorry. The Yankees started out like,

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Now the Yankees are freaking dominating, and the Mets look like they're the old Mets.

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Yeah.

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They're out of their own way now.

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Yeah.

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I know how it feels.

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I'm an A's fan, so it's going to be difficult.

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Yeah, and we'll just say bless you, man, and keep going.

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Don't stop.

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There are people out here listening.

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Yeah.

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Nothing's going to stop.

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Thank you, gentlemen.

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Thank you so much for coming on.

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It has been truly an honor.

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Take it easy.

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Thank you.

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Bye.

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Thanks, Ross.

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All right.

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That was our interview with Ross the Boss.

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What an honor that was. That really checked one off the old bucket list for me, I tell you what. And now we're going to do a couple of roundtables here to fill things out a little. I'm going to let Will take off with the first one. Yeah, so we were chatting at work today about the best or the worst times when a band had a significant member change. So I'll use a rock and roll example.

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and Sammy Hager came in. Did you think that was a positive or a negative? There are a gazillion examples of metal of where a significant member of a band was changed. And, you know, we won't talk about Killswitch Engage, but Killswitch Engage changed singers. Like, did you like it or did you not like it? So you can just kind of go around and talk about different bands when a member changed and did you like it or not? And was it a positive or negative? All right.

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Who wants to start? Well, I'm going to start on Will's behalf in that he named one of the most obvious ones that I happen to know he and I are on the same page about, which is when Cliff died, Metallica pretty much went into the shitter. And I really blame it on that exact thing. I think Cliff was, he brought this extra weird, bouncy, acid-y soul to that band that truly was gone the minute he left. And I would include Injustice Brawl in that. It just doesn't have that funky weirdness he brought to the band.

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the band. I think it even took me to realize that a while to realize that was the problem. That was the problem. And it's not just because he was an extremely unique bass player, which he was. So I think that's a grand example of a key member going. Also, they deferred to him. I think I mentioned this on the pod once before, but there's a book, the Master of Puppets book, and one of the writers in the book, because a million people wrote it, says that when they would come to an idea with an idea to the band,

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If the three of them would say no, and if Cliff said yes, then they would all say yes. They automatically did what Cliff did, wanted to do, because they thought he was cool and he knew what was going on. Yeah, and he was older than that. I think they initially looked, not initially, but probably always looked up to him. He was sort of the unofficial behind-the-scenes band leader, for sure. And what the hell? They moved a whole few hundred miles just to get him in the band. Right. Because they were originally from L.A.

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So that's a great example, I think, of a massive change. Does anyone dare disagree that Metallica was worse off without Cliff? Jason Neuss. Sorry, I agree about it. Sorry, I didn't fix that up. No, you got it. But I think, actually, I take that back. Even Jason Neuss would probably say the same thing that we just said. Maybe even when he was still in the band. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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A great example of a band not being what it was with the original members or thereabouts would be Manowar.

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And when Ross the Boss left after the sixth album, they were never the same.

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I'm glad you feel that way, George, because we're mutual fans of that band.

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But my interest pretty much drops off after you left.

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I like a couple of the albums afterwards, but they're nothing like the first six albums.

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Yeah, what they did was him. That's a great example, for sure. I got one that's on the positive side, where I think things were, I don't know if they were better, but they were equally as good. How about when Dio joined Black Sabbath? That's a good one. We can go Dio all day long, though. How about when Dio left Rainbow? Exactly. It's interesting you brought that one up, because there was, that caused a lot of debate today at work, is that people were just like, you know,

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There is no Black Sabbath without Ozzy. Dio did not exist. It wasn't Black Sabbath anymore. And I was like, look, it was still Black Sabbath. But man, some of the stuff that they wrote when Dio was there was amazing. I think it's one of the few examples, and Bon Scott to Brian Johnson would be another one, in which the band just kind of maintained that level of greatness. Well, think of the two albums that came out before Heaven and Hell. I'm going to go ahead and say anyone that argues that Black Sabbath

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wasn't the same. I'd say, yeah, those two albums, Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die, are not very good, at least in my opinion, they're not. So I think they changed for the better, at least for two more albums. Good point. No, that's a great point, John. And it's an interesting time because I'm trying to think of the time period. Like, what year was it? Did the music change? Because you're getting out of that late 70s, early 80s era, and I'm completely probably messing up my dates.

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But there was a significant change

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in the musical style

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in those times where Black Sabbath

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started just getting really weird. But then the

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80s came in. You had all this

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early

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thrash and stuff.

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It was a fortuitous

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time for Black Sabbath to change

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their sound.

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It coincided with when

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Dio came in. But Dio also

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I think rose the level.

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Because everyone knows quite frankly

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There's a reason why Ozzy left. You know? Yeah. Read that. You should, you guys should read that Mick Wall book. And basically they'd all just disappeared up their own asses and cocaine bags for a year. Honestly, I didn't realize how long I only was stuck on cocaine and it was all through the deal era and stuff. But deal always leaves interesting ashes in his wake. If you ask me, because like one of my favorite runs of records, which is the second consecutive records would be his work with rainbow, black Sabbath and Dio. Like, I mean, across,

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three bands, he made just like six to eight killer records. And who replaced him in Rainbow? Was it Jill and Turner? No, no, no, Graham Bonnet. And I don't like Graham Bonnet, to be honest with you. And so I thought, so that's a grand example of him leaving a band that went, I thought, kind of down the tubes. And I did like the Jill and Turner stuff. You know, we were actually forgetting one last piece of this. Ozzy got better when he left Black Sabbath.

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because then he put out Blizzard of Oz and Diary of a Madman. That's very true. Very good point. There is this weird incestuous relationship that we could talk about for hours here that exists between basically Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, White Snake, and the amount of guys who've been in all three of those bands is like incredible. Black Deep Snake. But then also leaving to join, you know, like Dio fronting them.

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You know, two of them, Ian Gillen fronting two of them. I mean, it's strange that interrelationships in those three bands is startling. How many versions did Glenn Hughes play with? Was he also on one of the Iommi supposed Black Sabbath albums? When they were Iommi? I think seventh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. They even did a tour and again, interesting part of the Mick Wall book. You should read it. Yeah, that's right. I'd forgotten about that.

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Incidentally, he's out doing a tour right now of just classic Deep Purple songs, but I think he's not getting anywhere near any of us. But also, by the way, that's a tough one. Ian Gillen is the most... Okay, actually, let's use Ian Gillen. You know, they had a singer before him. Ron Evans, the hush guy. So talk about a band taking off like a 747 once they added a new member or lost an old member, as it were.

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Well, as Will mentioned before we started, but I don't think he's said yet, Cannibal Corpse really sucked a big fat one until Corpse Grinder came along.

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So this is another one that people debated at work because there are some people, you know, you can say that Cannibal Corpse had great albums.

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Obviously, Cannibal Corpse had great albums before Corpse Grinder came in on Vile.

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For me personally, if you compare lead singer Chris Barnes, who just had this unintelligible, low-toned gutter, growl, and then you compare that with Corpse Grinder, who is still extremely in the lower-range guttural depth, but he can actually... Enunciate. Yeah, thank you. That's the perfect word to not be able to get, by the way.

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He had a bad vocabulary. There was a certain point you could actually be like, oh, that's what he's saying there. You know, there's a little mea culpa in the Brian Slagle book where he says, where they say, looking back, you know, one of the things, he talks about his regrets or his mistakes, and one of them he felt was telling Cannibal Corpse, under no circumstances should you change singers, basically. Bad idea, guys.

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Well, I mean, if you look at their history, I mean, they were just flying high with Chris Barnes. It just became a situation of not wanting to evolve. Weirdly enough, Cannibal Corpse did evolve and being too much of the prima donna. I mean, that's what it came down to. Chris Barnes thought he was, you know, the absolute leader of the band and he didn't want to change the way things were. And the rest of the guys were like, we want to change.

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So pack your bags. Fuck. Another one that was okay to start, but then got so much better. Iron Maiden. Yeah, that's the one. Matt, we're just like throwing shit out here and I haven't given you a chance to speak yet. To be honest, I had two and that was one of them. I feel like there are some people that would debate and it would probably be a small group, but feeling like Paul D'Anno was a better singer. I don't think anybody. I've met people.

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I don't think anyone would debate the change that came later on. I can't think of the guy's name off the top of my head. Thank you. But then going back to Bruce. But I feel like, from my standpoint, that was a great change. There's a couple people I know who are Paul fans. One of them is Steve Jones, the brewer at Oliver Ailes up in Baltimore. Let's be clear about it. And this would include us, even though I don't think any of us agree with that notion.

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It's usually old fucks. Guys that were like, they had killers and they had the first one. They were like, they so like, they like deeply identified with what was happening and then they changed it on them, you know? So. It's funny you say that because my buddy Steve, who is English, by the way, is an old fuck. Perfect. Oh, even better. English old fuck. Yeah, for sure. He doesn't listen to this podcast. He was, he was there. This was my band. And then what happened, you know, kind of thing. So. Hey, take it one step further with Maiden. I'm sorry to cut you off, but what about Adrian Smith joining first? I mean, I think it's a good thing.

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the sound, the guitar attack not completely changed, but it got a much better sound. So Maiden was kind of a work in progress. And if you want to go even further, go to the Peace of Mind with Nico joining. I mean, it took them three albums to get where they wanted to go. Well, let's even go a little bit further than that and say Martin Birch joining on the second record. You know what I mean? Like Martin Birch was so important to that band for three or four or five or six records, whatever it was. Let's go even further than that and say when Yannick...

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We're going to get done with this.

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Well, the acrobatics got much better in a bandwagonic joint.

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Oh, God.

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Is he like half their age, or is he an old dude, too?

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He's old.

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I think he's old.

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He was in some other, I want to say new wave of British heavy metal band.

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And then I think he was associated with Bruce for a while.

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Yeah, he was.

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He's on Bruce's solo records, isn't he?

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There you go.

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Yeah, so ironic.

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There's another weird incestuous back and forth that kind of got strings in for a while.

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I have two drummer ones real quick. One of them is not as big, but I think it is being a former drummer. And one is not a metal band, but I'm going to say it anyway because I have to. I thought Priest's sound completely changed when Scott Travis joined the band. And for that matter, when Les Binks left the band. You're a big defender of Scott Travis on a regular basis. I appreciate that. But why did you just say it's not a metal band? I have a second one after this. Judas Priest is not a metal.

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That's how fucking metal John is. Well, according to Brett Hines, they're not metal. You gotta see this one coming from me, being a big Rush fan, but let's be honest, when Neil Kirk joined Rush, they changed completely. Yeah, it was tragic. You know, I'm sure you know this, John, but I once, I think it's in the documentary, Sam Dundit, about them, it might have been something I've read, but even in like 2016 or 15 or whatever, they still refer

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to him as the new guy.

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Yeah, he...

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Yeah, that...

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I think that...

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I can't remember which one that is.

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I don't know if it's the last tour,

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if it's the Time Machine one where he says,

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yeah, they affectionately refer to me as the new guy.

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And then they show Alex and Gideon.

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They're like, well, the new guy's giving us input again

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or something like that.

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Oh, Christ.

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What was your other one there?

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Did we get to it already on our own?

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Oh, I was going to say it was Ralph Helford.

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Switching to...

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God, I can't think of that guy's name either.

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Ripper.

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Ripper.

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The one thing I would say about Paul D'Anno and the same with Chris Barnes and Cannibal Corpse is I do appreciate them for what they were in those times. I mean, I do like the first two Maiden albums, but it is just with Bruce. Whereas with Blaze Bailey, I would say I don't really care for much that went on in that time period, nor do I care much for the Tim Ripper, the Tim Ripper-Owens stuff either. The only difference for me is Ripper was an awesome singer. It's just he came in with not such great music, unfortunately.

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I actually think of him as being one of the hard luck cases in the metal world. With that talent, and I do like the Ice Dirt stuff, but he never really got a fair shake. If he had just gotten into a little bit of a better band or something, he'd be a guy we'd never shut up about. George, I got one for you. I'm sorry, I'm cutting everyone off here. What are your feelings on Candlemas?

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Candlemas. No, let's do it, George, because I think we have similar feelings. Two singer changes, you know, that I think were both... Three? Four? Well, no, of the main ones that are worth mentioning. So there's the first album, and I don't even know who sang on that. But he was good. I liked it. And then, of course, Messiah came along and was the greatest. And then some guy I don't know came along. And then Rob Lowe.

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And then Rob Lowe. Rob Lowe. That's not his name. Is it? It actually is. It's just Robert Lowe. Oh, okay. That makes more sense. I'm like, wow. I never. Is it Rob Lowe's in a metal band? I bet you there are some people calling Rob. That's probably why he goes by Robert. You know, that band's played a little bit too much musical chairs for me. Because I do like the Rob Lowe stuff. And it's like they kind of managed to capture my heart again. And then, so I haven't really spent any time with a new guy. I'm just kind of fatigued at this point. Yeah.

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Well, we saw him at Death Fest, I guess, was that last year? Last year, yeah. Wow. Wasn't a fan. I wasn't. But also, I thought King of the Grey Islands was like their heaven and hell, man. It was like for them to kind of come back at that strength. And that record is so heavy with Robert Lowe. That was great. I have kind of a nice little space in my heart for those records, the Rob Lowe ones. I know you do. Yeah, that's true.

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I like him too. I like him. Because I like his other band, Solitude Eternus. Yeah, they're cool. Yeah, for sure. Let's see. Yeah, the Dio, the Maiden one, that's pretty damn important. I mean, that's probably one of the grandest examples. Deep Purple is an interesting one because I actually thought the transition to David Coverdale and Glenn Hughes was actually pretty good. And they were coming in after God, you know what I mean? Like, dude. Okay, what about

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Lombardo leaving Slayer. I was a little heartbroken. The first time. I was a little heartbroken because they were so near and dear to me as a child, as it were. Yeah, me too. So it was kind of rough. I wasn't too cool with that. As to quality. Yeah, you know, I'm not, and John, being a former drummer, you could probably cue into this stuff more than I can, but I didn't notice a difference in really the drumming, but I just noticed a difference in like the, kind of like the aggressiveness of the band.

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I guess. I don't know. It just felt like things were different. You guys are bigger Slayer fans. Was it also an attitude too? Because Lombardo brings a certain kind of attitude when he plays. Right. That's what I'm saying. It wasn't necessarily the drumming. It was just more like the overall feel of the albums I thought were just not quite there. Let's face it. Well, the workplace culture changed. Yeah. Oh my God. Did you see what Jeff's wearing today? And Jeff would be another one, by the way, because...

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Boy, they couldn't have replaced him better, in all honesty. You know, Gary Holt is a madman, I think. Yeah, you can't complain. Yeah, you can't complain. Yeah, I will say the first couple times I saw, not a couple times, I think the first time that I saw Gary Holt play in Slayer, it was definitely not the same. I mean, it was, I just don't think he knew the songs as well. The second time I saw them, the second or third time I saw them, you didn't know.

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It seems bad because it seems like you're bad-mouthing Jeff, but you didn't notice as much of a difference. The first time, I saw a big difference. The second and third time, it was not a big difference. Which, by the way, I just found out that I may have to miss Slayer when they come around here on June 10th because my wife will be out of town. You need to tell her to get back in town pronto. She's always out of town. Well, they did announce the second leg, though, too. Will, the second leg didn't get near you guys? Well, John and I are going. We were going to be

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with Will, who's apparently ditching us. Well, no, I have permission to get a babysitter. I had to get a babysitter to go to Atlas the other night when there was a big, when Pseudo God from Russia was playing. I had to get a babysitter. That's when I was meeting up with Phil. How did you set that one up? We would like to play your brewery. We come to your country, we play brewery. By the way, you know where our White House is? The funny thing is, is when I,

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I have to go around working at the brewery and I'm coordinating some stuff and I had to go and ask one of the guys in Sudogod like what color lights do you want like how do you want the lights tonight when you play and he didn't answer but someone else answered for him he's like look he doesn't speak English very well I said like lights Krasny Krasny and like because I used to speak some Russian and Krasny like Krasny Plosha I think is not Plosha but something is Plosha is red square.

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Krasny is red. So I'm like, he's like, you're Krasny. He's like, yes, Krasny, Krasny. And he made fun of my pronunciation. But basically, we figured it out that he wanted red lights. All right. From my basic crappy Russian. And that was the only. Yeah. No, those boys did not speak much English. So going back to the big four here, one that really was a vast difference for me.

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Oh, I thought you were going to say Exodus. No. Oh, yeah, that too. Well, no, we'll get to that after. Anthrax, when Joey left. Well, okay, when Neil Turman left, good thing. He sucked. I like that record, though. Wait, who's Neil Turman? He was the guy on Fistful of Metal. Fistful of Metal. Oh, yeah. Then Joey came along and made everything wonderful. And then John Bush came along, made everything terrible again. You know what? You know what's interesting? I think part of it is that

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And this is my two cents. I think this is kind of like a psychological group

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thing going on. Anthrax's music changed dramatically when John Bush got in a band.

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Yeah. In my opinion. That's because the change happened because they wanted to change styles. That's why they got rid of Joey. Right. But it also, so you change styles and you change singers at the same time. So people are like, no, Anthrax started to suck when Joey left. Like, no, Anthrax just started to suck. Yeah.

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And if Joey's in the band, but if you look at it in a weird sort of way, so I've gone back and I've listened to a few of the, like, you know, Sound of White Noise and some of the other Anthrax records. That, the last two Anthrax records, Worship Music and Kings, For All Kings. Which is better than you admit it is, but go ahead. No, no, no. Like, so I thought Worship Music was good, but I don't think it ever gets close to, like,

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any of the older stuff when yeah among the living and a lot of stuff like

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spraying the disease off they don't come close to it but i think what it was is like i think their

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music still stayed kind of the same but people felt this familiarity that joey is back

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because yeah because worship music was written for john bush to say no no no it wasn't it was written for

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They recorded it with this guy and then kicked him out. Right, well, alright, whatever. No, but fair enough. The point stands. The point stands is that it was written for someone else, but then Joey came in and sang it. And it was good, but it's nowhere near the old anthrac stuff. And then for all kings, I thought it was crap. Nah, that was awesome. No, I know you thought it was awesome. It is awesome. You know, I actually put it on the other day, George, and I thought of you. And I was like, there are two smart people in this world. But the...

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I'm both of them.

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My point being is that I think people had this like over and over excited.

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They got over excited because Joey is back,

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but I don't think the music got that much better than the John Bush era.

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Joey just makes it right.

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I think he sounds better than familiar.

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I think he's John Bush is a great singer.

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Yes, and I wanted to say that while I hated John Bush with Anthrax, I do like John Bush as a singer, and I like him with Armored Saint. It just was not a good match for me. That's what I'm saying. I think it was this groupthink psychological thing more than anything else than the actual quality of the music. Sometimes you can tell the quality of the music is terrible. Like when Cliff left, the talent got terrible.

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is that they were really kind of trying to get in to the grunge that's what they were trying to latch on to that a little bit and just somehow milk it and and that was a huge mistake that never fucking works yeah you know machine is another good example what's interesting is a lot of these things you talk about like i was in sixth grade when i heard sound of white noise and that was my first introduction to anthrax as was injustice for all for metallica so

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I thought they were these great albums so I had to kind of retroactively figure out that like oh shit like this Metallica and by that point with Metallica I was like neck deep in the black album thinking like this is amazing it is amazing and then to look back and be like oh shit there's like three four albums in front of that and then to go back and realize that the anthrax previous to Sound of White Noise was nothing at all like Sound of White Noise well I like the sound of Sound of White Noise I'm saying the word sound too many times it certainly was not anthrax

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you know it's just a different band yeah but that's such a valid point because i i was on a metal forum and i'm not on for years now but um and it was a bunch of people who were clearly younger than me and they would were they would be talking about their favorite exodus or anthrax record and i was and i never shamed them but i was always like fucking really but i mean that's how it is that's how it is when you're a certain age because i'm more than willing to admit that i think the first black sabbath record i had was um

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Heaven and Hell. And while I knew of the existence of Ozzy and stuff, that was still the first one I became deeply familiar with. And, okay, grand, bad example, because that is an amazing record. But there was a whole bunch of history there that I didn't really, you know. I got We Sold Our Soul for Rock and Roll and Mob Rules on the same day. I was terribly confused. I think I told you once I bought, because let's all remember this was the old days, too, when, you know, you didn't, there was no internet to go to.

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After I got number of the beast, I found killers, and I was like, what the fuck is this? Yeah. I mean, I was just like, this, I don't know. This isn't as good as the other one, you know. It is good. It is a good record. Keep in mind, I was like 12. Did anybody ever listen to Metal Shop Radio show back in the day? Sure. I did. I had it in Arizona. Oh, okay. Yeah. Because I talk about this thing, and nobody knows what I'm talking about. And it was like Sunday nights at like 10 o'clock or something. They would do an hour metal show.

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And they'd have a guest and they'd talk to them and they'd play some music. And at the end of the show, there was always like fresh metal or something. And they would play. That's where I learned about Overkill and Manowar and Testament. I learned about Testament. Yeah, I used to listen and I would go to the record store thereafter and pick up whatever I'd heard if I liked it. I learned about Accept that way. I heard something off Balls to the Wall on there and it was like, and probably wasn't Balls to the Wall, but I was like, I gotta get this fucking record. Were you in Michigan at the time? Yeah.

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Yeah. And that's where I learned about Cliff Burton dying. I would, and you know, it was like, maybe it was like 11 or something. It was past my bedtime. And so I'd put on my Walkman and get in bed and like put the coverage up and listen. And I remember distinctly, you know, September, whatever, 1986, sitting there in bed and they're like, you know, and Cliff Burton has died. And I just sat there and like rolled over and cried. I was like, Oh my God. Massive Dutch ovens with the cover that he had.

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My eyes are showing up. Don't tell anyone. Yeah, that's rough. So how about Ozzy then? Let's talk about the death of Randy Rhoads. I missed that by a couple years. But I'm just talking about the impact on the album. To me, the chasm between Diary of Mad Men and Bark at the Moon is almost. Infinite almost. And yet, Bark at the Moon is my favorite album. It's okay. I mean, there's nothing wrong with it.

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But that's because that's the one I started with

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Is my sound of white noise, if you will

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So, Jay

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Jay, you bring that up, but I actually remember

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when Randy Rhodes died, and I had tickets

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to see Ozzy a few months

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afterwards, after he died

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So I had just missed seeing him in concert

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I got Brad Gillis from Night Ranger

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Who was actually a very good guitarist

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He's on Speak of the Devil

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It's just, it was

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weird to see him out there

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knowing what had happened

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Well, it's funny. I don't know that this will make you feel any better, John, but I actually have a DVD from that tour, and it's with Brad Gillis. They didn't make one with Randy, but I wanted that. The record is so fucking close to my heart that I wanted a video of the tour, so I have the DVD. I think that's actually called Speak of the Devil, too, believe it or not. But Brad Gillis is on that Speak of the Devil in which Ozzy goes back and does all the old Sabbath stuff. It's actually a pretty good record, believe it or not. I saw Night Ranger a few years back.

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And they played Crazy Train. Did they really? That's funny. That is funny. So I have a difficult one to answer. But there have been a few changes here and there in this band. How about Megadeth? If anyone's wondering, that was sarcasm, yes. We should have a contest in which we try to figure out. We could only do it in person. We couldn't do it with, you know,

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the internet and privacy but what band has had the most members you know what i mean like if you could come with that on the top of your head and then we could see who was right megadeth would be a megadeth iced earth it's got to be up there hey george this is a good segue george what are you drinking uh 60 minute all right god of northern darkness i have got veneration by three sheeps by three sheets what three sheeps uh then yeah like s-h-h-e-s

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H-E-E-E-E-P? From Sheboygan, Wisconsin. Sheboygan? I know somebody from Sheboygan. Sheboygan. I got relatives in Sheboygan. Sheboygan. Sheboygan is just fun to say. Probably one of my favorite words. There's a lot of towns in Wisconsin that are fun to say. Yeah. Especially if you say one's Wisconsin accent. There's a couple in Pennsylvania that are right near each other. One's called Intercourse. One's called Blue Balls. One's called Middlesex. They're all really close to each other. It's really bizarre. Where is it?

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In Pennsylvania, like Amish country, Pennsylvania. I like it even better than it's Amish country. It probably means a whole different thing to them, all those terms. They're like, you know, that's about cows. I mean, mine's in the fridge, but that's because I just had a huge burrito. Of course you did. California burrito concern. I ate right before we started. Did you eat anything else besides burritos?

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If you squeeze it, the beans come out.

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So you put extra sour cream, right?

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There's this place by me.

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Oh, fuck, it's so good.

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It's interesting you guys should be talking this way because I'm drinking a beer called Man Juice right now from Knee Deep Brewing. I saw that on Untappd. I was like, what the fuck? Isn't that brewery in Anacostia? It might be. Their name is Knee Deep. Can I take a little left turn? All your fees, Man Juice in Anacostia featuring Will Cook in the glory hole. Since we're off the topic right now,

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And I think possibly they're segwaying to the news or another roundtable. Well, I actually wanted to do Exodus before we veered too far away. Okay, well, I'm just going to say. Excellent example. I'd say we'll go back and get Exodus, but I just wanted to say, how about those hockey teams, boys? Oh, really? I didn't see what happened. We lost last night. It's 2-2 now. Oh, 2-2. We're at 2-2. You're talking about buying those capitals? Yeah. But, Jay, you know you guys lose every year.

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the Penguins, not even why you hit your hooves up. I know. Every Washington team goes out in the first round of playoffs. It's a rule. Yeah, well, we're in the second round now. We're in the second round now, yeah. So they broke that rule. Yeah. Well, occasionally we get to the second round, but then we lose. But, Jay, you got to beat Vegas. They cannot get a cup their first year. That's not happening. Probably is happening, but. No, don't be so sure. We're 2-2 as well, and they're in untried territory right now, and they're, I mean,

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And obviously all those guys are-

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Talking about the San Jose Sharks versus the Golden Knights.

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Yes, Vegas Golden Knights.

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Yeah, we beat the shit out of them the other night.

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But I mean, they've also beat the shit out of us too.

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So we'll see.

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But I agree with you, George, 100%.

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I just would hate to see that happen.

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But they learned a lot from that expansion draft.

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I'll tell you that right now.

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They're going to do it different next time.

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Like seriously, the owners are going to be like, ah, no.

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I mean, look who they got.

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James Neal, Fleury, William Carlson is amazing.

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I mean, that's a big...

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Anyway, Exodus.

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Exodus. So talk about. This one's hard. If you ask me. Well, okay. Paul Bailoff was awesome. Yeah. But you know, he's only there for one album, but that, that, that album's classic. I will always love it. Even though his singing was kind of horrible. Uh, it was kind of awesome too. Yeah. But then, uh, then we got Zitro and I really loved Zitro too. Uh, and I was very disappointed when he left.

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And Rob Dukes. Is that his name? And he was okay, too. I mean, it wasn't Exodus for me anymore. Because it was just, they got way heavier and it just was different. But it was still good music. I like him because my favorite late era Exodus album is Shovel-Headed Kill Machine. That's a good album. That's a good record.

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And Zetro's back now, though. I mean, does that make you... How's that sit with you, George? Did you like those records they put out with him? Yeah. Two new ones? The first one, I think I liked the first one better than the second one. And I liked his Hatred albums. Go ahead. Well, I was going to say, so again, today at work, we were talking about this. And Exodus was one of the ones I came up with that I was... To me, it's positive and negatives, but nothing... It's positive and negatives.

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Because obviously I grew up with. Pleasures of the flesh. I bet you did. Well grew up in Nevada. You know. And toxic waltz and all that stuff. But you know. I think after toxic waltz. It kind of started to fall off a little bit. Impact was a man. Yeah you know. It just wasn't quite the same. And you know. And Zach. Steve.

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He has a very distinct voice that if he didn't grow up on that, if you heard it for the first time now, you may be like, holy crap, this guy is terrible. You know who he reminds me of vaguely, not even necessarily tone-wise, but just being the good bad singer is Bobby Blitz or whatever from Overkill. Yeah. Yeah. He's talented in his lyricals, but his pitch of his voice is weird. And again,

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I'm a huge Overkill fan, but if I didn't grow up on Overkill, and I heard that today, I may be like, skip. He sounds like Brian Johnson doing Thrash. Yeah, kind of. Old, used up Brian Johnson. But when Rob Dukes came in, and it did, it sounded completely different. It sounded like a completely different fan, but I really enjoyed every single album that Rob Dukes was on. When they said Zetra was coming back, I was sort of like, you know, I'm kind of used to it.

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this new exodus like don't don't don't change it don't mess it up and then they then zetro came back and then like oh this sounds familiar again and they kind of kept some of the heaviness there because i agree with you george they sounded like a new bit like they sound like a different heavy band but i loved it yeah so it was like to me it's i'm sort of emotionally i'm emotionally all over the place with this one well let's just stand as a testament to the music we love and how much we love it because you do you

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You form those kind of attachments, man. Well, since you brought up Testament. Ah. It is a Testament, too. Yeah. I mean, I don't know what changed. Like, the drummers changed, the guitar player changed. You know, uh. Base player. You can't. Because George was in it for a while. Yeah. I guess he's still in it. What's his name? James Murphy? Yep. He was in it for a while. But even, even

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Chuck Billy, same singer, but changed his vocal styles for a couple albums, went to like the pretty hard death metal vocals, which I really enjoyed those albums. Yeah. And then Hoggler. And then he started incorporating it like, you know, half of the quasi clean singing, harsher singing with the death metal singing. And then it kind of started moving further and further away from it. And then this last album, they just started talking about gambling and pot. Yeah. I don't know what that was. That's Chuck. Hope they figure that shit out and fix that. Chuck. That's totally.

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He's a monster pothead, man. Yeah. All right. Now, I think we can transition to the other thing I wanted to talk about, which was what was your first... Originally, I was going to say what was your first band shirt, but then I wanted to say metal band shirt because my first band shirt was an artist by the name of Michael Jackson. Are you fucking kidding me? It was black, but it was pink.

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Puffy and Glittery.

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Are you describing him or the t-shirt?

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The shirt.

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This was in like

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1983.

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In 1983,

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Slayer was producing albums.

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Like, why were you wearing fucking Michael Jackson?

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Because I was slow.

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I guess, why am I getting upset by this?

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This is the same guy who spends a half an hour

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on the podcast telling us about Lady Gaga

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and Madonna concerts.

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Why am I surprised by these?

01:35:59.780 --> 01:36:00.780
Yeah, why are you surprised?

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Okay, but my first metal t-shirt was...

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Jay Giles Band?

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No, but that would have been cool.

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Was Peace Sells But Who's Buying, and it was a white t-shirt, because I didn't fully grasp the concept yet.

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Sure, sure.

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He's wearing black shirts when it's hot socks.

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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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And when it came, my mom got the mail, figured out what it was, and wouldn't let me have it. I have a mail order story. I ordered a bunch of Slayer t-shirts. I would have been in the 8th grade or 7th grade or something. And it took three to six weeks. Everything took three to six weeks in. And I got them. Every day I would come home and be like, my package come! And my mom would be like, no, what the fuck is in this package you're so excited about? And we opened it. I'll finish quickly, but I opened it, and it was

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a Slayer Haunted Chapel t-shirt and a Slayer Slaytonic Wormock t-shirt. Nice, I like that one. And my mom goes, no more. And my mom was super liberal. She was super liberal, but she was like, are you serious, dude? I wanted to ask if anybody had ever used Metal Disc mail order. I don't remember. I can tell you this. I ordered these out of the back of a parader or something, but I don't know what. Yeah, because they advertise.

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in the back of the music magazines. And you could send away for a catalog. And it was like one of those like Xeroxed thrown together piece of crap catalogs. And it had like everything you'd ever heard of that you could never find in the store. And so I would order some stuff out of there. And that's where I got my shirt. So I'm not sure what my first first one, to be perfectly honest, the one I do remember buying a Kiss t-shirt that said if it's too large, you're too old, which was white, George. But then like,

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I lived in a small town and so like I would either have to go to Spencer Gifts in the mall which was like an hour away from my house or I would go to like when we had like a carnival or something in town because you could actually like win a Death Leopard Pyromanean t-shirt. I won like a what was it like Guns N' Roses mirror or something. And they were like crappy you know what I mean they were not nice shirts you know but I think one of my early ones was a Screaming for Vengeance t-shirt probably that was probably

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pretty early. I'm not sure if I could remember my first one for sure, but those cross my mind as very, very early shirts that I had. I was screaming for vengeance in the kiss one. Do you remember what yours was? I'm pretty sure mine, I had my first metal show that I went to, which has to be the first concert teacher I bought, is I had an Anthrax Aussie shirt. Well, I think it was an Anthrax shirt with the Aussie tour on. It had the tour dates on the back.

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and had the knot man on a skateboard on the front and i'm pretty sure but i i remember i do remember

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having a like well what i was third grade or something i had a motley crew t-shirt which

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sort of metal ish if it was shot at the devil it was i i i definitely remember going to jamesway

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i don't know if anyone's ever heard of that store it's kind of like a k-mart kind of thing

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i went to jamesway and i bought this shot of the devil cassette um and my mom was sort of looking at

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who was born and raised Catholic. I was born and raised Catholic. My mom was always

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exceptionally cool about all that stuff. One time I went to church, Catholic church,

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when I was a young boy, wearing my anthrax t-shirt. My mom was like, yeah, whatever.

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But see, you could say to your mom, you could say, mom, it's shout at the devil.

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It's cool. Yes, yes.

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Yeah, because the devil's bad.

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I saw the shot at the devil album cover and I thought

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Vince Neil was one hot woman.

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Yeah, like the hot chicken striper. Is that still in your spank bank? Luckily, no. I'm so confused. John, I don't suppose you remember what yours was. Oh, I do. And just a little tidbit for you, George. For those of us who go even further back, a lot of concert t-shirts were white back then. Good. However, they were slightly different.

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age group being just a few years we had the softball concert t-shirts which would be all white with the black or blue or red sleeves not full length they were capri sleeves so they came to like the middle of your arm capri so my first one i remember seeing like van halen shirts like that and judith priest those no they came back i've got my first two my first one which i don't know where it is

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and I'm sorely disappointed about it, but it was from the Mob Rules Tour. I got it at the show for Sabbath. And then the next one, which also was a capri sleeve softball shirt, was Screaming for Vengeance with Priest. Those were my first two ones. I had a rainbow street between the eyes. My mom just looked at me and just shook her head. I was like, nah, it's really cool. The guitar is coming through his head. She just, again, shook her head at me.

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Okay, so John had the coolest answer so far, just to make that clear. Yeah, it just reminds me, now that you say that, John, I definitely remember, they used to be white with red or blue sleeves. Or black, sometimes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can picture screaming for vengeance that way, easy. I didn't have it. I got one more that will fully embarrass me, but with all concession here, I looked slightly different when I was younger. But I did go to the Pyromania.

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Tour, and they did sell the Union Jack shorts.

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No!

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I'm not going to lie to you. Being a drummer, I thought,

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I'm doing this.

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I got home, and I was like, they don't fit.

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I think at some point later on when I was in college,

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I got caught with them on my head drunk or something like that.

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I don't know.

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Sure, like you do.

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That is epic, dude.

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Wow, you had a pair of the fucking Union Jack shorts. Now we kill that. Those things to say, look, they'd be like this big next to my body. I would have to kill to see some of those pictures. Me too. He started a trend, man, in America. There was a while where you go into Spencer Gifts or whatever the cool rock store was and they had all kinds of flags all of a sudden and sleeveless t-shirts. So yeah, if you're younger and you don't know what Spencer Gifts was, it was quite the eclectic store of like rock shirts and like drug pair of

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and vibrators or something. At least the one near my house. You get a lot of strobe lights and all the weird lights. Remember the black light velvet? Black posters. I was going to say 4,000 posters. I used to go there. I would go to the mall about once every couple of months because we lived kind of far from it. I would go to the record store and then I'd go to Spencer Gifts, go through the posters, go through the t-shirts. They also started selling 3x5

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photographs from concerts that people took.

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And I would go and usually buy a couple of those.

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Go home with my little goodie bag.

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Sit in the back of the car and just stare at the shit I bought all the way home.

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You guys remember how you looked at posters?

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Yeah.

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This thing.

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Like the newspapers in the library.

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See, Jay would know what this means.

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If you go to Amoeba Records,

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you walk in and you hear this

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clapping sound almost.

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And you don't know what it is.

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And it's everyone's sifting through the CDs. And they're whacking each other because they're in these hard plastic cases. Well, when you used to go to these stores back in the early 80s, mid-80s, you know, you looked at posters. They were in these gigantic, like, casings almost. And you would just, you would, you thought you were cool when you make one go real slow and make, try to go fast. And they would all just start slapping against each other. Simple pleasures when you're 14, you know, so. For sure. And I bought many a poster there. Tons. Oh, yeah. I bought a,

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Remember this? Hey, remember this one? Samantha Fox. I bought Samantha Fox poster. Stop. Remember Samantha Fox? Well, come on. You know, that reminds me of a joke Steve Martin used to say about, he used to say, that Farrah Fawcett is so stuck up. She has never called me once, and after the hours I held up her poster with one hand. So speaking of posters, did you guys try to wallpaper your rooms?

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I literally covered every square inch of my walls. So did I. And front and back of my door, like floor to ceiling. And I was eyeing my ceiling at that point going, what can I do up here? I used to do this weird thing where, you know how when you got like a CD or record and then, you know, it's all in plastic.

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And then they would put the sticker on top of the plastic that covered the CD. Like the shrink wrap or whatever covered the CD. And it would be the sticker, like either parental advisory sticker or be, you know, like, you know, Anthrax new album featuring, you know, the song war, you know, cry the Indians or something like that. And so like I would cut those little tiny stickers out and I would tape them onto my stereo. Nice. I would go like to the nth degree. My doors.

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And actually, like all the drawers, my doors, and the spaces in the room where posters couldn't fit, I would go through my metal magazines and cut out the pictures and make collages. Basically, my door was just like a giant collage. I wish I'd taken a picture of it. I actually, I'm searching my phone right now. Go ahead, George. But I have a picture of my walls, believe it or not, from 1982. I'll show it to you here in a second. Go ahead. Yeah, so it wasn't just posters. It was like full page out of a magazine.

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or even a quarter of a page. I'd just like, cut them out, stick them up. Yeah, me too. I'd probably put whole articles up there. I would, I'd cut out two pages from Hip Raider and I had this massive Judas Priest poster. Go ahead. Well, we should get Matt's shirt while we're... Yeah, yeah. So interestingly enough, I grew up in Duluth, Minnesota and I wouldn't describe my appearance as stereotypically conservative, but my theory

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is that needless to say they were very conservative about music and my theory is that it was probably around the same time with the Judas Priest lawsuit with the suicide and I feel like Ozzy had one too and I felt like they just were super concerned that I was going to be one of those victims if I listened to that stuff so it was like anything I brought home or tried to listen to they're just freaking out so the first two shirts I actually got I was at Spencer Gifts was Alice in Chains and Soundgarden and I brought them home and the Alice in Chains

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Say that again? Satan oscillate my metallic sonature. So basically like Satan dance to our music. And they're like, nope, that one's going too. So I'm already, I'm 0 for 2. My third shirt, which was actually my first metal shirt was Metallica based off of the Black album, just the faces and tour dates on the back. Which bummed me out too because I was really a huge fan of the art. That's the one your parents threw the fuck out. Yeah, tell me about it. I was very much into...

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I was very much into like the artwork around the time period of justice I can't think of the name of the artist but it was very yes thank you I just love that art but there's too many skulls and of course skulls are not cool and the Stewart household so it's whatever I love the plus head stuff too yeah absolutely so not to interrupt at least slightly here but I just want to show you guys that real quick I don't even know I just got a hold of these not too long ago I don't somebody sent them to me like they were but this this this is my

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I had my room. That's the walls of my room. See the big Judas Priest poster? And then I've got, and then that's my cat. And then there's the other, that's the other corner of the room. Those are all like iron made. That's my room, dude. I mean, that's the door. And then just all. Your parents are clearly not worried about the resale value of that house. Oh, yeah. Actually, I think those were load-bearing pictures, Will. Will, you would have, you would have been proud of me. I had my half of the wall.

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Besides being metal posters and rock posters and stuff, with St. Polly girl posters. With the girl with the like eight beers in each hand. Huge tracks of land. When my parents went to sell the house, the realtor, who happened to be my vice principal, had to come over and spackle in all the pinholes in my wall. And he's just up there spackling and looking at me like...

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You know, there's a million holes. Did he also say, I think I can help you get rid of this semen smell? So when you said spackle, like, he was spackling over. I did have a party there. This guy really likes Rob Halford. I had a party there with, like, several garbage cans full of empties that he walked into the next day and was like, okay, so the mailbox is missing. And, like, what's

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What's all this? And he called my parents. I got in trouble. He got pregnant. Yeah. I got in trouble. Because they had left the, they had moved to Pennsylvania already. And so I was staying in the house. And that didn't bode well. So. Where in Pennsylvania? You lived in Pennsylvania? They moved to Pennsylvania. I stayed in Michigan. For how long? Eight years. Like you were still in high school?

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Yeah, I was still in high school. I got my first apartment about four months before graduation. Right on. At which point I stopped going to school. You were like the little magic stick girl living by yourself. Just trying to get by. Making your dollars the hard way. One at a time. Exactly. But I finished. I just didn't go for a while. Staying cool. Staying cool, kids.

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All right.

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So we're done with that now, too. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Let's move on to it.

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I have to say, and this is this is no slight on any guests we've had, but sometimes when we don't have a guest and we're just us.

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Yeah, it's kind of fun.

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Kind of fun.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's just kind of fun because we can just be ourselves and not worry about what our guest thinks.

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Yeah.

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And you get to learn that John had Union Jack shorts when he was a kid.

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Yeah.

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That never would have come out of the closet. And George gets to have a couple hours beforehand where he's not climbing the walls, stressing his balls off. He's like, yeah, it's okay. It's just the guys. That is not to say anything about our previous guests because we love interviewing guests. Yeah, Matt was awesome. Every now and again. I forward those photos to you guys.

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I had to spend some quality time looking at them. That was my world. And I could still tell you half those. If the ones you couldn't make out, I could tell you who they are. A lot of Judas Priest on those walls. Where did you recently get these photos? Oh, well, they were in my brother's possession when he died, and I got him out of his stuff. He rifled through the shit. No, I had to go empty his apartment, you know.

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So they were there. We shared a room. Oh, okay. I got it. Yeah. And I, there's another one too. If I can find it, this embarrassing one of me, then I'm like pretending to be in a metal band and pointing at the camera, you know, like a little Instagram camera and trying to look as evil as I can. Wearing a pink Floyd, the wall t-shirt. So nothing's changed. As soon as we get off tonight, I'll be like, sweetheart, get the camera. He's just, he's just wearing a dark side of the moon.

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shirt now.

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I'll be right back.

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George, is that you?

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You just had a picture.

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That is me.

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That was right before said parents leaving.

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Thumbs down.

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Fuck you.

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That's my evil.

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I'm wearing my Anthrax State Euphoria shirt right there.

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That's my evil.

01:53:36.220 --> 01:53:39.040
I'm not sure why this picture disturbs me.

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Yeah, it was supposed to be disturbing.

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I was joking. It's like, but you know, it's kind of evil looking too. You have hair and eyebrows. Yeah. I look a little bit Charles Manson-y. Yeah, how the fuck is going on? I mean, I've shown you guys a picture of me with long hair. I look like a girl. You mean your mullet? It was not a mullet. That was a mullet. At least I had hair in front for a little while.

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Wow. Till it fell out. Yeah. Now you got none. Yeah. Oh, by the way, what the fuck song was I listening to today? Are we supposed to guess? No, no, no, no. Oh, my God. There was a song. I'm drawing a blank. I don't know. Well, if Jay was here, he would have guessed it. It'd have been like, Love Gun. Oh, my God. You're like, what? What was my first Kiss album? Like, oh, I got this one.

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You're foreshadowing, hint, hint. In his case, it's foreskinning. Somebody just released an album, and I was listening to it, and the first song and the first couple lyrics of the song is about something about being in an underpass. Moving on.

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I missed that.

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Somebody just released an album.

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Some band, whatever.

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You're the guy I hate when he comes into the library.

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He's like, you know,

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there's a guy in the front.

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He's got a shirt.

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Pretty sure there's a dog in the story.

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You know what I'm talking about, right?

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Just come on.

01:55:33.360 --> 01:55:34.080
So helpful.

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I'll think about it and I'll relate the story a little bit later.

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All right.

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Well, then, let's move on.

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I think I've seen this picture, George.

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That's a good one. Especially like the little possessed kid behind you staring at the haunted picture back there. Is that you as well? Let me see. Got the old school telephone. That's my brother. The state of euphoria t-shirt. Yep. That was either 1989 or early 90. This is the kind of picture that they put on a CNN story and it's accompanied with a lot of quotes like this.

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He seemed like such a nice guy. He kept to himself. Yeah, I call it my Charles Manson. Never thought he'd pop. All right. Well, why don't we go ahead and move on to the news then? Of which there is not much. So we saw this one coming. Gibson filed for bankruptcy.

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Yep. So hopefully this means better things are to come. Sounds like they're getting rid of a lot of the useless crap that they were doing and trying to... Robot guitars and robot tuners and all that shit's going. And they're going to just focus on some instruments now, hopefully. Yeah. Plus they bought, like, they own a bunch of other companies and stuff, but... I mentioned this before, that guy is like a notorious douchebag. He's...

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about him. That's where you talk about your employer. Because he's just a real prick. And he doesn't care about guitars. He just... He cares about money and he wasn't any good at that either. That's a good point, actually. Yeah. But an iconic brand. I mean, that's definitely metal news. I hope they can find a way back from this. Yeah. We'll see. We'll see. Yeah. So, nevermore and for

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Forbidden guitarist Tim Calvert died at age 52. I wasn't particularly familiar with him, but, you know, obviously I know those bands. Do you know what he died of? I've been... I've been making the story completely. I think it was cancer. I thought it might have been ALS. Oh, yeah, ALS. Yeah, that's what it was. Wow. I just knew it wasn't like a heart attack or something like that. Yeah, ALS, that's right. It was a very aggressive ALS, they said. Lou Gehrig's disease, right? Mm-hmm. It is.

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Is that what Clive Burr had to? Did he have ALS? It was one of those degenerative things. Yeah. I thought it was MS. Ah, yeah, I think you're right, George. Yeah. So, yeah, anyway, that kind of sucks. So, you know, tip of the hat, pour one out. And thanks for the music. This next one I put on here just for John. Wait, hold on. Let's back up.

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Any of you guys are Forbidden fans? Yeah, man. Forbidden Evil. Casually, at best, myself. I saw them on, I think it was the Forbidden Evil tour. Unless it was twisted into form. But they opened for Death Angel. And I saw them in Detroit at St. Andrew's Hall. Somewhere, I have to dig it out somewhere. I went on, in 1990, I went on a vacation, or 1991. I went on a vacation with my father and went skiing out in Utah. And there's a picture of me. It's like a

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like lounging in an Adirondack chair or something like that in some high-end ski resort in Utah and I have my forbidden twisted in the form shirt on yeah I got that I had that too I was a first two albums really awesome I don't know if anybody other than Will knows them but I really don't actually I have to say they kind of I mean to be fair and this is not being hard on them but they were kind of a second tier band so I just and they never really got on my radar

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That first album is amazing.

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Yeah.

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What's it called?

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Is it just self-titled?

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Forbidden Evil.

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Forbidden Evil.

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Then the second one was Twisted in the Form.

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They had like some EP in between there.

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And then they had some stuff that wasn't so great.

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And then.

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Yeah.

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I didn't listen after that.

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Yeah.

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2010 they came out with Omega Wave, which was pretty good.

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2010.

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Interesting, Will.

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Topical.

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Interesting.

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Oh, really?

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Hmm.

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Okay.

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I guess we'll talk about that more later then, shall we?

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All right. So, yeah, like I said, this next one was on here just so we could get Grumpy John. He's not even smiling. God. Not even going to smile at that. Fine. Because I'm not grumpy, actually. But Glenn Tipton rejoined Priest on stage at some show that I don't, it doesn't even matter to us because it wasn't here. Actually, I'll tell you something. It was here and I didn't go. I wasn't there. Double damn you. I know.

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Double Dumbass on you. That's what it is. He's actually come out for a lot of shows on this tour. Yeah, I think it would be more relevant, George, to list the ones he hasn't come out on. That would be the Washington, D.C. show. Washington, D.C. So our good friend T.R., from all the, I wouldn't say hype, but all the praise we gave about the show, he flew down to Dallas to see them and Tipton came out. And he, I guess, it was a general mission show and he was up front and got this amazing picture.

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of them during the encore that I have to at some point get off my phone but he said it was pretty cool to see him damn you TR well you'll get another chance if you want to catch this Judas Priest deep purple tour that's gonna that doesn't come anywhere near here yeah I think it's up in closest one is what just a New Jersey somewhere I think so can you hear that fucking dog barking yeah yeah I'm sorry there's nothing I can do about this guy's dog just barks all day long and when

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He starts, he starts, but... Hey, yeah, I think I'd mark at the moon. On your mic? I'll mute, and then when I want to talk, I'll unmute. Whatevs. Oh, he shut the fuck up, so... Of course he did. It's like when you have kids. His name's Charlie. My wife and I say this to each other like, fucking Charlie. His name's Charlie. He's a boxer that they just leave outside all the time. Hmm. Yeah, right. I may try to catch that tour, by the way, because I have to fully admit, I mention these guys a lot. I've never seen Deep Purple once. I saw, like, not real,

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Deep Purple. Was Ian with him? I don't even... I mean, has there ever been... Obviously, you know... Snake Dude. Dylan Turner was with him. Dylan Turner was with him for a while. Steve Morse was playing, and I think maybe... I don't think Joe was playing. I think... I think Ian Gillan's been present for all the Steve Morse years. It was like late 90s. Yeah, that's when I saw them. I think it was 98 I saw them. You know, was it... Do you remember what record it was?

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No, they were doing a three-band tour. I think they toured with Emerson Lincoln Palmer and Dream Theater. It was not a strange bill, but I just didn't think that those three bands would tour together. And they were the headline, Deep Purple. I'd call that a bit of a strange bill, to be perfectly honest. I think the pre-Deep Purple is slightly strange, but it's cool. I like both bands, so. Yeah. So the last two news items are upcoming albums. Skeleton Witch is going to be releasing their new album, Divine

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Powering Radiant Light on July 20th. Was there a pre-release of a track by any chance? Yeah. Was it good? I think. Did anybody listen to it? Yeah. I did, yeah. It's all right. Because I thought we all liked that EP with the new singer. I did. I thought it was good. I thought it was like one of the better things to do. It's Adam from Wolfhammer. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Okay. Well, I need to look it up. I've been uncomputered for a week or so. Yeah. And then this next one,

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I included it even though it's not metal

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that's right it's clutch and it was it wasn't even me

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clutch has tentatively set September is the release date for their new album book of bad decisions

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it's an interesting what you will say what you will about them and I think we all like them more than will

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Those guys do not fucking stop, dude. It's album, tour, tour, album, tour, tour. They just don't. They're touring machines, no doubt. And recording machines. They're really consistent in their output. And they're from around here. And I'll give them this. They're one of the only hard rock metal bands that still plays at 930 Club. Every year. Right around New Year's Eve. Yep. Yep. All right. Well, let's move on to new releases, of which there are many.

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And I want to say that there's a lot of new releases because, you know, I moved a lot of the shit from my listening to list over to here. See, you could not give me so much crap. I was like, hey, a lot of these things I'm listening to are new. Perfect. So my my listening to list is actually about half as long as this list. So you're welcome. And I added one that is not on your guidebook.

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list because I forgot about it until this afternoon. And I haven't even mentioned this yet, but May the 4th be with you. I got you, buddy. That's right. I'm wearing my Millennium Falcon t-shirt. Yep, it is May the 4th, which is the most holy of Star Wars days. And today, Galactic Empire released their new album, Episode 2. I haven't listened to it yet, but it's all over the place.

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in terms of there's stuff from the new movies. There's some Kylo Ren song. Was there a cliffhanger at the end? I don't know. Like I said, it's all over the place. But I know you're making a joke. I just didn't pick it up and run with it. It sounded like it was a pretty bad joke. Alright, the next new release, Aura Noir and their new album, Aura Noire. Question mark?

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The album title has an E on the end where the band name does not. This is the sixth album of this Norwegian black thrash band. And I know Matt was listening to this. I was. You like it? I thought it was good, not great. Yeah. Okay, interesting. All right, fair enough. I listened to it. It's about the same thing I thought was like, it's all right. It's kind of like Venom. Yeah. Yeah. The next one,

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Ross Colloid and their new album Melted on the Inch. Is it like Hedwig and the Angry Inch? It's their fourth album, their UK progressive sludge band. I really, really liked their last album. I like this one too. I think it's maybe not quite as heavy. It's a little more proggy than the last one. But it definitely sounded cool the one time that I got through it. Yeah, it's got a little bit of a psychedelic flair to it also.

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It's got a lot going on. I thought it was alright when I listened to it. I didn't get a chance to give it a good listen. I was in a hotel room when I listened to it. I had never heard of him before and I was pleasantly surprised. It was good. I'd like to give some more time to it. Yeah, me too. Next, Collapse of Light, Each Falling Step. John, what would you call this? You know, I tried to think about a good way to describe it because I think when I mentioned to you guys,

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It's a doomy slash funeral doom sound, but I think it could be also like Dead Can Dance meets funeral doom, because there are some female vocals. But the guys' harsh vocals are great. I actually like this album a lot. I've listened to it quite a bit. So I don't know if you guys have liked it or listened to it, but it surprised me. I didn't think it was going to be as good as it was. Yep, it's cool. All right, next one.

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Nine Years of Blood. This is the eighth album from this Irish folk black metal band. I'm not questioning it, but I've never heard that pronounced before. It's not at all how you pictured it, but I think you're probably right. I honestly don't know. I think you did good. It's Irish. It'd be Crue-Cru-Con? I don't know. If it's Gaelic, it could be pronounced 180 degrees different. Crue-Hans spelled too.

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Who knows? I'm not gonna that's that's the guess that I'm gonna hazard so I like this it's uh it's a little more folky than I thought they used to be they used to be a little more I don't know maybe they've always been folky I bet they probably have but it's a little more palatable to me now than it used to be let's put it that way um I was I was not familiar with their older stuff but I've just been a sucker for folk metal recently and uh I thought it was good good listen yeah oh that pen that pen

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Napticon is having a very severe stranglehold on you. So you're going to be, I mean, and that's a good thing. I just mean that's, yeah. Yeah. No, I only got through the album once, but I kept like going to like, cause I was working at the time. And so I kept going and going, Hey, that's kind of cool. Let me rewind that and play it again. And, and it was good, better than I expected. So next we have ghastly death velour. Is that how you say that? I have no idea.

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I think it's a good question. I thought it was Death Valor, but I was maybe just reading it so fast I was missing a letter. It's an E, not an A. I'm pretty sure it's Velour. Velour. Oh, interesting. Isn't that funny? No, it is. When I was a kid, there was a record called Death Before Dishonor, and for years, I don't know why I kept reading this title so far. I was like, Death Before Dishnor? What the fuck does that mean? That's a true story. I think it was a TNT record or something. Oh, yeah, yeah. I didn't own it. TT Quick.

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Yeah.

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TT Quick.

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I used to see it and advertise them.

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I don't know what it sounds like.

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I never heard it.

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Yeah.

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I always saw it advertised too.

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And I never heard it until a few years ago.

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And I was like,

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okay,

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there's a reason I didn't hear it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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The,

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um,

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but to,

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back to the case in point here,

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um,

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I like this record a lot.

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Yeah.

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It's finished death metal.

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It's her second album.

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And,

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uh,

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this is a little Celtic Frost.

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This is kind of informed by Celtic Frost.

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I'd say a little bit.

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Maybe I saw the promo for it first. I think I did. It was in the box. I got the promo for it. The album cover is really kind of cool. You see an album cover like that, you're like, I've got to listen to that. Then I started listening to it. I was like, wait, this doesn't suck. It's actually really good. Then I put it in the box and then I bought it on Bandcamp when it came out. It's a $20 spin, isn't it?

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Is that who put it out? Is it? Yeah, they have a pretty good track record. It's a good one. I dig it. I like it a lot, too. Yeah, they got some other band coming out in a couple of months that 20 bucks spend. Yeah, I don't know. We'll see about that. Snicker, Snicker. Yeah, yeah. Did you look at Matt's t-shirt? Oh, yeah, that one. At some point, I got to tell you my story. Might as well do it now. Yeah, let her out.

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Well, I want to say this. I do like the Gasly record quite a bit. So, yeah. What was it? Tuesday night. Tuesday night we had a show at Atlas. Some kind of mentioned earlier Pseudo God. A couple of bands. And Phil, the lead singer, chemist, hit up George. He's like, hey, I'm in town. And you got Will's number because I want to say

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to go to the brewery. Can I pause and interject my part here? Oh, yeah, yeah, sorry. I was going to wait. I was going to wait till the end, but I'm in the car coming home from work and I'm like, you know, I got a text message and I open it up and it's like, hey, this is fart. Like, it's on vibrate. And I look at it and it's this message from a number unknown number. And I was like, oh, who's this? And he goes, hey, this is Phil from chemist. And I'm like, you know, clutching.

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My chest going, what? You know, out of the blue. And he's like, yeah, do you have Will's phone number? I was like, fuck yeah, I've got Will's phone number. I was like, oh, I guess I better tell Will. Anyway, carry on. Well, why was he in town, did you say? I mean, it's none of my business, but I just mean. He's a record job. He's a non-chemist. Gotcha. Vocalist, guitar playing. Something really smart. Yeah, actually, that's a whole other conversation.

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Some things will remain private. But not your junk, unfortunately. Okay. Well, you know, we did end up in a can of Castia at some point. But no, so Phil Pentagrass from the lead singer, guitarist from Chemist, him and I just hung out at Atlas one night, Tuesday night. So whenever, basically about a week ago from the time you hear this. And just such a gracious,

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We just had a blast just having a couple beers and watching this insane metal show with Hellfire, Death Cult, Pseudo God, another band I cannot pronounce for the life of me. It almost sounds like something they made up in Star Wars. But yeah, he told me a lot about the new album, which you just got to wait for the new album. But the new album sound great and just had a

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So half of Chemist has been to Atlas Brew Works, Zach the drummer. So Ben and Danny need to get their act together and then get to Atlas. But yeah, we just had a great time. Just had a lot of sidebar, really interesting conversations. They're starting to be, they're borderline the sort of official, I don't know how you want to call it, like the official drink of the Olympics.

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They're sort of the official band of this podcast at this point. We keep running into them.

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One story, and I don't think Phil will mind if I tell this story.

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So I'll rewind about a year ago. I'm a Philly. I'm from Philadelphia. I'm a Philly's fan.

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I was at a Philly's Nationals game, so here in D.C., and I'm there with my neighbor, his kids, my kids,

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And all of the water on the loudspeakers in the stadium. It's not like it was just a blip or something. It wasn't one of those things at a hockey game. They're playing, like, oh, we'll play a little bit of Crazy Train. This was a good 25% of the song played all the way through, including some of the vocals. And so I remember getting on my phone and tweeting about it. Like, oh my god. And I tagged Chemist in it and everything.

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And people were like, oh yeah, that's probably this whatever guy. The guy that Metal Chris just recently interviewed, Doolittle, Sean Doolittle, who's a metalhead. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he's a big metalhead. Anyway, so I'm talking to Phil on Tuesday night, and the night before, he went to a Nats game. So he's in town. He's in Washington, D.C. He went to a Nats game. And sure as shit,

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We didn't know anything about this before. Chemist above the water comes on a loudspeaker and he goes like he is like freaking out internally. This is his way he's describing. He's like, why is my voice and my fan on a loudspeaker in the stadium full of like whatever, like 20 some thousand people? And like and he was like it was the coolest thing because he got to hear it himself. Like I've heard it thousands of times.

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thousands of other people heard it, but he actually heard it himself because it's Ryan Madsen, who used to be on the Phillies. He's a relief pitcher for now for the Nationals, and his walking in song is Chemist Above the Water. And so it was just like this cool thing that I experienced once and freaked out about, put it on Twitter, and then Phil himself, his own voice, his own guitar tones, he's hearing at Nats Park when he's here in D.C., and he was just explaining this story to me, like how,

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like geeked out he was by that but like at the same time how shy he was because he wasn't like he almost

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wanted to go over to the bullpen and like start talking to him like hey i'm the guy from chemist like

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that's my song and like but he's like he didn't do it because he like that made me a little weird and

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they're like who's this crazy i get him out of here and i only tell the story because i think phil

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would not mind me retelling this private story we had because it was we had a very similar experience

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And it was just fun to hear him tell that story. How excited he was when he heard his own band played and he was there when it happened. It was just really cool. That's very cool. I mean, yeah, I can only imagine how cool it must feel. I bet that was that one moment he wished he had some merch so they could set up right by the exit when the game was over and said, I'm that guy you heard for... Yeah. All right. So back to the new release.

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I spelled this one wrong I see and I didn't correct it uh the new Esan album I still don't know how to pronounce it a m r okay amir yeah oh I like that I seem like it's a crack in it from your it seems like there ought to be an eye in there but anyway Esan's seventh album uh came out today and uh I'm not sure what to think of this one yet I I think I like it

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But it's not a simple album to just put on and be like, wow. So I think I need a few more listens to understand where it falls in the rest of the catalog. I would just say for the record that I've never, I'm not, I don't dislike Isan. I just don't love it as much as you guys. And maybe just it's, you know, kind of out of my wheelhouse and it's different. I listen to, you know, whatever.

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the minute and a half clips that iTunes gives you. This thing is all over the map. I mean, it's like... Of all his records, it definitely is the one that crosses over the most genres without question. Yeah, I don't know. I've listened to it several times now because I ordered mine. I can't remember who put the record out. Candlelight, probably. Yeah, I can't remember who I bought it from, but I think I told you I got mine like a week early. It came... I don't know. Maybe it was

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It was Monday or Saturday. I can't remember. And I've been listening to it for a while. And while I like it more than I did when I first listened to it, it requires a lot of patience. And you have to accept the fact that Eson is going to just be Eson. And I hate that expression. But in this case, it really is true. His love for pop music comes out without it being pop music. You can definitely tell it. What did I say it sounded like? It was like Pink Floyd and Asia had a baby. Yeah.

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With a little black metal thrown in here and there in different places. Yeah. And I need to add my voice because I'm the one guy who hasn't heard it yet since I've been computer challenged until just today. But you guys have all been throwing up some very confusing comments into our ongoing thread. So I'm just like, okay, I guess I gotta hear this. We all like the last one a lot. Yeah, if you're expecting after, just throw that thought out of your head right now because you're not getting that. Not even close. Well, I just...

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got it just now so um yeah i will see i you know it's funny because a couple of our

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real standbys are throwing us some curves this year i mean i'm still feeling a little kind of

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walking away from the new amorphous that it's not it's not thrilling me he's a little too polished and

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happy or something it's about the same for me i'm like i like it i think it's good but it's not going to be

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something i'm going to go to a million times it's something that i'll listen to a couple times or if i hear it

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I'm going to like it but

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Fair enough

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What has a better chance of making your list?

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The new Eson or the new Amorphous?

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I'd say they both have a good chance

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Okay

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The Amorphous is not bad

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It's actually good

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It's just

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We've heard this album now

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Right

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Seven albums in a row

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Yeah but it's also

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It's a popier man

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It's a little

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Happier

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It really is

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Well they added the symphonics into it this time

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Yeah

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And maybe that's why I'm

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And they didn't overdo it

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But you're right, Jay. It's enough to be noticeable. And they sing about bees. A little shinier or more produced or something, too. I mean, I can hear good songwriting. I can hear good... Actually, one of the ones that I've emotionally gone back and forth with for a while now, and I have reported that to you guys, I'm fully on board with New Primordial now. But you could accuse him of the same thing. You know what I mean? It's sort of like, I'm not going to tell you that he completely recreated himself here, but he made a really good fucking record. Yeah. Yeah, the Primordial, for me,

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and I mentioned in the last one is like I really like it and I'm not sure I'm supposed to like Primordial but just it's just you need to just tighten up the shock group a little bit just just shorten some of the songs like it just kind of meanders for a while I'm like he tends to get he tends to start walking in direction that just keeps walking in that direction for about six minutes is true yeah without but but I bet it's working for me I don't know something about the lyrical content of this one and a couple other things that's good that's bullshit you can't read

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Come on. All right. So next up. A hanging. What do they call that? A hanging. Chad. Oh, that too. A dangling participle was the word. I was looking at the thing I was looking for. Anyway, next is one that I just kind of stumbled upon and I don't know if anybody else has heard it, but just before Dawn released their third album, Tides of

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This band features Dave Ingram, formerly of Bolt Thrower, on vocals. And it's like Bolt Thrower, it's war metal. War death metal. I like it. I think it's good. I would expect Will probably likes it if he's heard it, but I'm guessing he hasn't. No, I have not heard it. This has been probably the craziest, busiest week of my life. Me too. Must be some in the air, man. I know.

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I can honestly say one, two, only four things of this list that you have I've actually heard. Wow. It's just been – well, it would help a little bit if you would send the script out not just like two days before but maybe like a week before. Yeah, well, I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just a little time. I'll take some blame for that because we're having a little trouble lining up the guests and everything. But also because I had a busy as hell week.

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It was all I could do to get everything. I mean, I didn't finish stuff until like this afternoon. So I was just working up to the last minute. No less for you. I almost didn't send it out till today's Friday till Thursday. So it would have been one day. But I did. So anyway, just before dawn. Next, we have one. I don't know how the hell you say this. It's Greek. Negrito.

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I'm going to go with that because it sounds like Star Wars. On May the 4th, it's pronounced Negrito. And the album is Flesh Torn, Spirit Pierced. It's the debut album from a Greek black metal band, and I like it. Same. Ditto. Haven't listened yet. My pronunciation was the same as well. All right. At least if we're wrong, we're wrong together. All right. Since there are no more comments, we'll move on to

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R.I.T. V, also R.I.T. V, or just R.I.T. really, honestly. This is the incarnation of the band R.I.T.

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After the passing of Mark Reale, long-time guitar player for R.I.T., they sort of changed speeds and I guess sort of went back to the Thundersteel era because the guy writing the songs wrote Thundersteel. And anyway, this is their second album in this incarnation. It's called Armor of Light.

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And I haven't listened to the whole thing yet. But I sort of double-taked on it when I listened to it because I was like, man, that sounds like Tony Moore singing. The guy who sang on Thundersteel. But it's not. It's another guy. And it's pretty good. Has anybody else heard it? I haven't heard it yet. But I will check it out. They're one of those bands that I'll, not unlike you, George, I'll just keep an eye on them just to see because, you know, they did some cool things.

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And we're so far down the bloodline at this point in time that, you know. Yeah, I honestly wasn't expecting anything. In fact, I probably wasn't even going to listen to it. But I saw several people that I know and respect speaking well of it. And I was like, hmm, maybe I should check this out. And I did. And I was like, OK, I like it. Next up, I thought we might have covered this last time, but I guess we didn't. The surprise sleep album, The Sciences. So their long-awaited fifth album.

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And I think they've done good. Yeah, it's sleep. There's this one really cool, which track is it? The sort of jazzy weird one with just some really cool guitar solos on it and stuff. Judging by the look on Bill's face, he's about to drop some nasty shit on us. I just remember what it was. The song Giza Butler. Oh, yeah. Great name. The first, like the first, whatever, the stanza.

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talks about something about in an overpass or under an overpass. Oh, shoot. Oh, you got it. All right, cool. Giza Butler, which, by the way, is a great name for a song. Obviously, it's Giza, the legendary bass player for Black Sabbath, but does anyone know what Giza is? That's in the Middle East. It's in Egypt or some shit. It's most definitely a pot reference on their part, I'm sure.

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Giza is the location of where the big pyramids are in Egypt. Egypt bitches. It's just outside of Cairo. If it wasn't for Slugge, it would be the best song title of the year so far. It's just such a good name for a song. Slugge gets all the best song titles. Listen to the lyrics of Giza Butler. I'm just so happy now that I just remembered what it was. George, listen to it. I like it though. I think it's a good record.

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Like any other sleep thing, it's a bit of a test, you know, because it really does go on for a long time. But it's cool. It sounds like they picked up where they left off to me. Excellent. Yeah, I'm digging it. I do wish it was probably more like a little bit more like Holy Mountain where it kind of got to the point a little bit quicker sometimes. Sometimes like the opening track is like, okay, well, I'll listen to five minutes of whatever feedback and weird stuff. And then you get

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into the song. It's more like Dope Smoker, you're saying. Well, kind of, but also remember that was the last thing they did together. So this is the long, slow road back from that hell. I mean, they, you know, they just, this is sort of the transitional and it took them, let's not forget. It took them however many years to get to it. You know what I mean? Their amps were probably warming up the whole time. That's how slow these fuckers are. Next, I hope none of you listen to this, but I put it on here before listening to it.

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The House Primordial. It's their fourth album in like a million EPs. They were a Louisiana sludge band. I don't know what the fuck they are on this. They've been spending too much time with the body. They've done some splits with the body, and the body fucking suck, if I may so boldly speak. And so does this. It really kind of sucks. It's like 37 minutes. I think they're listening.

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it is an EP, probably because there's very little song in there. It's just a lot of noise. Oh, really? Okay. Yeah, there's a few parts that kind of got me excited, but for the most part, I was like, it's just freaking ambient noise, but not like ambient. It's like, yeah. So which parts got you excited? The cheeks or? The buttocks. Pronounced buttocks, but okay. Yeah. So, yeah, I'm not throwing the recommendation on that one.

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But some of their previous stuff is good. Next up. Oh. Thrasenblatt. You don't have your button? I do. It's not. Goddamn phone shuts off after two minutes and then I have to talk, you know, having any sort of spontaneous sound effects. Do you have an iPhone? Yeah. Well, there you go. Yeah.

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What is the story behind this, George? Did you talk to Joel about it? When I say story behind it, I mean... There you go. There it is, better late than never. Did we know this was coming? I didn't, but the story is that it's two songs that were on the vinyl, and so this is their digital release. It's a two-song EP called Fires in Mist, which combines the two song titles, and they're two songs from...

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The vinyl version of Metathonia. Wait, wait. So when you say that, because I have Metathonia, and I was late coming to that, and I think it's one of the greatest albums I ever listened to, but are there songs that are on the vinyl that are not on the digital release? Correct. These songs are finally getting released because they were bonus tracks on the vinyl. Okay, so, but these are acoustic. Acoustic versions of it, yes. And they're beautiful.

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So check that out. And then hopefully later this year we'll see a new album. Have you talked to Joel? I've talked to him at length about this, but that's all I'm going to say. Oh, Joel! He's like, you know what? You guys aren't cool enough to know that. No, I can appreciate that. Until Joel tells me I can talk about anything, I ain't talking about it. Ah, I see. It's out of respect. Yes. I love Joel. Yeah.

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I don't know that much is obvious. Shout it from the roof. You don't have to whisper it anymore, George. It's 2018. I love Joel. Shut it up. How do you? Yeah, but no, I mean, he's announced as much on the Facebook that, you know, the album's being mixed. But, you know, you never know how long it's going to take. So hopefully this year. Moving on. Why are you laughing, Matt? Because Will was performing. You just weren't looking at it.

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Oh, sorry. I moved it off the screen a little bit so I could see the script. What were you doing? Were you filleting the microphone? Essentially, yes. No. Oh, no. Sorry. No, no. I was not. I'm just warming up for my second job. I had something in my throat. Was it Will? All right, moving on. The new Thy Catafalque album,

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It's the eighth album from this Hungarian avant-garde dude who is definitely avant-garde. John, you were listening to this earlier? Yeah, I listened to it. And Matt, too, I think you might have been. Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, I only got through it once today, and I was distracted, so I wasn't paying all that much attention. It didn't seem very heavy. There's a lot of heavy moments, but there's also a lot of folky kind of,

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Hungarian moments, I guess you'd say. It's all in Hungarian, I think. Yeah, because it's also, and I think they are Hungarian folk kind of directions. I don't know. Yeah. Some of his earlier stuff is like folky, proggy, but also like heavy. It's really good. I'm sure I will revisit this to take a better look, or listen rather. Two more.

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Star Thrawn album Patriarchs of Evil sixth album of Greek black metal I just happened to pawn this I know they've been around a while and I think the name probably caught my attention and I feel like that happened the last time oops last time they put out an album and anyway it's you know it's black metal it's worth checking out so did anybody else listen to that one I think I I think I bought it

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I have to go back and look at my band camp page, but I'm pretty sure I bought this and I actually liked it. It's black metal. It doesn't suck. You're saying that a lot more often lately. I think you're going to have to come to our side soon. No, there's a lot of black metal that just sucks. It's a lot of death metal that just sucks. Well, I know, but there's a lot better black metal than or did I just say that? You did. Freudian slip there.

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Georgian, Isanian slip. Okay, forget it. Sorry, Jay. Okay. No, no, I'm just fucking. I think Black Metal needs a new shot in the arm. I don't know who it's going to be. It's always going to come in and revitalize it a little bit. And I know there's some cool things happening. I know it can have to kind of be one good example. I like Mirkoor, but I don't know. I just feel like it needs a little. Someone's got to come in and kind of shake. It needs a little less Mirkoor. A little more Mirkat.

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Christ.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Last new release.

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George.

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What?

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I said next album.

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Last new release.

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The new Wolfhammer album,

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The Monuments of Ash and Bone,

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their fourth album of Blackened Sludge.

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Unfortunately, I've only listened to this once

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and it didn't grab me,

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but I suspect that's going to change

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because I just haven't paid enough attention to it yet.

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You need to listen to it right.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, exactly. I have little doubt that I'm going to like this album. I just haven't given it enough focus yet. What's interesting to me is when I heard the name of the band, I was like, I just assumed I hated them. And I think I'm getting them confused with Wolven War, which is the ashes of As I Lay Dying. Is that correct? Yeah, that's bullshit. Okay.

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So when I saw this, I'm like, why are we talking? Why did you put this in the box? And why are we talking about this? But then I listened to it. And then I was like, no, this is definitely not the same. I actually liked it. I liked it. Yeah, man. Because it's blackmail. It didn't suck. Exactly. And the dude's in Skeleton Witch, so you can sort of grandfather him that way. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Time to move on.

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Do you guys have some skull crushers for me? Yes. This is getting really hard to do. I'm probably going to be horrible because I was going back and forth with these guys. I'm running out of bands that I know a lot about. I know a little bit about a great many bands. There are not that many bands that I, you know, past the age of 15, wanted to know what they ate for breakfast and what kind of underwear they wore, you know. And so I'm starting to run.

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I actually had an idea that maybe moving forward, unless anybody has a band they want to do, we could just do general metal trivia. It doesn't have to be band specific. We could just be like, oh, I found this Judas Priest question. I'll ask it and just hit people with it. A solid idea. I like this. I like doing this a lot, but I think you're probably right, George. We're running out of bands that we all feel like we're experts on.

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But on the other hand, hey, George, so how much in the last couple days did you hit up the Internet and try and read every Wikipedia page, everything you know about Megadeth? Zero. I haven't even listened to any Megadeth. I wanted to at least listen to them. I have done no research whatsoever, so I'm going to fail hard. So, all right, so this is, so, like, whenever, what, the two times I've done Skullcrushers, I go on and I read all the stuff that I know that you're going to do.

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You're gonna Google and search

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I did nothing

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I had no time this week

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Aside from what I already know

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So I guess my point was that

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I mean you could probably pick some other

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Generic band that I hate

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And I can do enough research and pass the questions

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Right

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So

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So with that

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I kind of like your idea of just general

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Yeah

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Just be like it's your turn

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See how many you can answer

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Maybe they're not as obscure

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You know

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I mean they can be

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Just if it's like amusing or something

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Yeah, did you know that Bruce Dickinson once did this? So with that, I'm just going to go first. I'm just going to go. Just go for it, man. Just totally step in front of Matt. Be like, Matt, get out of the way. And John, for that matter. Jesus Christ, dude. So I'm just going to give you a softball. Ready? This is going to be a snarky one, isn't it? Hey, is this the line? What's Dave Mustaine's middle name? Fuck if I know.

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You really did not do any research. No, I did not. George, with any metal musician, the middle name is fucking, as in Ingve, fucking Mounsky. I mean, I read his book, so I probably have heard it, but I don't remember. What is it? It's Scott. Scott. I never would have guessed that. Wow, that's kind of geeky. It could only be a little... Kevin. Hey, Kevin. All right, 0 for 1 now. Anyway.

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Dad of Northern Darkness. Oh, now you're going to let him go. Yeah. So you knew this one was coming, George, but what was the first Megadeth song I ever heard? And it's not, I would not describe it as an obvious one. Oh, it's not obvious. Jesus, well. Wait, wait, wait. Before you go, can I just remind you, I got mine right. So the bar's been set pretty high. I know. Well, I'm going to think,

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Let's see. Your first Metallica album was Injustice for All. So I'm thinking that maybe your Megadeth album was probably slightly behind that. I could be way off. You could be fucking, you know, these booths from fucking Killing is My Business for All I know. But I'm just saying, you know, George, before you after you answer, I want a chance because I know what it is. Hey, Jay, text me real quick.

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I'm good. Skin in my teeth. It's Love Gun. Skin in my teeth. That's my guess. Sticking to it. I don't think it's actually on one of their albums. Oh, well, that helps. Angry Again. I'll give you a hint. It was on a soundtrack. Angry Again. Or Go to Hell. Yes, Go to Hell. Well done, George. What soundtrack was that on? Bill and Ted. Bogus Journey.

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They keep talking about it. I hope they actually do it. I think they're actually shooting it. Yeah, that'll be cool. Or maybe it won't. You're right. That's a fine line right there. I got one more and this is a softball. What is the song used? Part of the song used is a snippet for MTV News. Was used. That's a good one. It's a snippet for MTV News. The baseline.

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All right.

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Feeling a little good now.

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Okay.

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Who's next, John?

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All right.

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We got three for you, George.

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This is a true-false question to start.

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Yes, 50-50.

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True or false?

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The name for peace sells, but who's buying was taken from a Reader's Digest article.

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True?

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Of course it's true.

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be the most ridiculous thing to make up, right? And you're going to do this thing now where you slowly cross off my questions, but okay. Oh, no. And that one's out. Okay. All right. Well, hopefully I don't have Jay's second question here. Can you name the song that was inspired by a video game? Inspired by a video game. And I do know that this is a more recent song, but I thought you might

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I know it's just because it's a video game. I think it's probably on the last record you actually like, George. Is it from United Abominations? It is. Keep going. You're right. The Gears of War? There you go. There you go. Sweet! All right, last one here. Do you know where the title of Rest in Peace came from? A gravestone? Headstone? I don't know.

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A. No, not in any real way. No, yeah, not really, no. But it is a cool story, though. We'll see, he read it somewhere. Yeah. No, I don't know. Is this your other question too, Jay? No, but I saw that one while I was looking for questions. Yeah. Mustaine came up with the title after seeing a bumper sticker that read, and I quote, may all your warheads rust in peace. Ah, nice. Yeah, so he wrote a song.

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Right off. Yeah. All right. Well, it was a bumper sticker. I guess it was for public domain at that point. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty sure. All the best songs come from bumper stickers. All right. That's it. I'm done. Will, you have more? Well, of course I do. Well, hit me. Real quick. What was Dave Mustaine's first band? Wait, that could be a trick question.

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The obvious answer is Metallica, but I'm guessing he had a band before that that you're trying to... Either that or you're just fucking with me. No, he had a band before Metallica. I should know this because I read the book, but I don't remember. Panic. Panic, that's right. That's right. And what was the last album that...

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a two-part question. What was the last album that Dave Mustaine had a writing credit on? And what was the last album that he claims he should have a writing credit on? The last credited album would be Ride the Lightning, but Master of Puppets, he claims he wrote some of that stuff, too. The Hills Run Red Lars. There's one specific song. Leper Messiah, I think it was.

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Yep, that's correct. Damn. Nicely done. Alright. So,

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last one's lyrics. I knew that was coming. I thought maybe you were going to have me list all the albums. No, no, no, no. Like, hey, I'm a two-trick pony, okay? Well, it's good because I was going to look through them just a glance and I forgot, so. I'd probably get it wrong. So, lyrics. Lyrics pulled at random.

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I'm going to read you some lyrics. And if you think about this in a very intelligent, analytical way, you may be able to figure this out. So if I'm a dumbass, I'm screwed. Well, we know you're a dumbass. You are screwed. So I'm going to read some lyrics. Name the song. Your body's empty now as I hold you. Now you're gone. I miss you. But I told you, I remember bad times.

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More than good. There's no coming back. Even if we could, I love you to death. If I can't have you, then no one will. That sounds familiar. If only I had the meter. Do you want to get you a yardstick? It's close enough to a meter. I know this.

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Is the title to the song in the lyrics well? Yes, it is. Could you repeat the lyrics? I love you to death. Love you to death. Kim Jong George. Kim Jong George, our dear leader. This is from the first album, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah, I don't like that album. So that is the second song to the first album.

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Killing Is My Business is Good. It's song two, but it's the first song that has lyrics. Isn't it Love You to Death? Or something like that? Yeah. Yeah. The first song is Last Rites. It's instrumental. The second song is I Love You to Death. Yeah. I actually sort of know that song, which is why it's familiar. Okay. Next question. I'm going to read you some lyrics.

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coming from afar, you can see the sign. Oh, yeah, it's there. Oh, oh, melt the ice away. Melt the ice away. Fuck, dude. What would it if it was anything from like peace cells through? I don't know, euthanasia or something. I would like know that. Don't be so sure. Well, obviously, it must be something that I just don't know. But I'm not getting enough of the words there. I mean, oh, oh,

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don't do a lot for me. Will knows how to go into a very popular song and pick out the darkest corner. Not that I even know which song this is. I'm just saying, you never know. Say it again. So you see the sign coming. Something down the road. You see the sign coming from afar. You can see the sign. Oh yeah, it's there. Oh oh, melt the ice away. Melt the ice away. I think I know what it is.

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And I think it's a song you like a lot. Obviously not enough. I don't know. I give up. So this is the last line of lyrics from the last Megadeth album. Oh, okay. Like the most recent? The most recent. Didn't I say something? Maybe I didn't. You did, but that's okay. Will doesn't pay attention. When did you say something about just the first? Up through cryptic writings.

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Did you say that like a couple weeks ago or something? No. I only picked it the other day. Don't worry about it. Okay, well, yeah. I didn't listen to the album. So on the last Megadeth album. Dystopia. Dystopia. The last song on that album is called Melt the Ice Away. See, I never got that far. It was an okay listen, but I'm sure I never got to the end. Yeah, you would never get that. But I gave you the first lyrics of the very first song. In the last verse.

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See the last lyrics. Yeah. Do you have anything in between that might I might have a shot with? What's my favorite Megadeth song? Oh, that's a good one. Your favorite Megadeth song. I don't know. I can tell you my favorite Megadeth song is Tornado of Souls. That's a good choice. Give him an album. We'll see if he can get it once you narrow it down.

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So far, so good, so what? Okay. Probably not the Sex Pistols cover. I do like that. Yeah. I'm going to go with Knowing You, Hook and Mouth. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Very good, sir. See, that was good analytical skills right there. F is for fighting. R is for red. Ancestors blood in battle we shed. E, we elect them. E, we eject them in the land of the free and the home of the brave.

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You're dying. Oh, you're overture. M will cover your grave with manure. This spells our freedom and means nothing to me as long as there's a PMRC. That's right, buddy. Very good. I think George either just had a stroke or his Ouija board kicked in there. Sort of like, in the year of 1475, Captain. Let's see if you ask me about the albums I actually listened to. No, no. I know I gave you some hard

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It wasn't quite fair, but... You just hit my weak spots. But the one where you cannot possibly imagine, you actually got it right. Kind of like the way Jay did. Yeah, but he didn't need any hints. He just was like, boom. Yeah. I jumped in with confidence. I was like, if I get this right, I'm going to be... You're legendary. It's going to be legendary forever now. Let me ask you this.

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And doing my research for this, one of the things that I came up with, and tell me that somebody else didn't just get a hold of this site and put this on here, but it says, drummer Nick Menza used to have his own gay porn site infamously known as Nick's Picks. What? Are you a Metal Storm, Jay? Yeah. Yeah, I saw that too. What's that all about? Is that, is that, is like Metal Storm like easily hackable or something? Or is this like a thing? I should know. I don't know. I've never been to the website. I've been to Metal Storm, but I haven't been to his site. You haven't been to Nick's Picks?

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Well, hold on. This probably means my computer's about to crash, but I'm heading in, boys. All right, I only got two questions for you, Jordan. I had three, but, you know, John beat me to the punch. Sorry. It happens. Who is Dave Mustaine's godfather? His godfather? Yeah, he's a famous musician, and I have to tell you, he must have taken this on as an honorarium later on, because I'm no doubt that Dave's parents did not know this gentleman.

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But he is currently Dave's godfather. And I think if you tried hard enough, you might come up with it. Alice Cooper. Nicely done. What math did you do there? The Phoenix thing? I read the book. I know they both went into recovery. And I know Alice does that sort of thing. Like tries to keep people from killing themselves through drugs and stuff. And he probably mentioned it in his book and it just sort of came to me. Nicely done. Well, Alice has found Jesus too, by the way. Both him and Dave. So that also makes me part of there.

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I think Alice has found golf. Yeah. That too. So that's just, I just have one more question and it's a bonus if you get both of them right. Then it's not just one question. Well, it's one question with two answers. Okay. Let's put it that way. So it's, and this would go back to 2005 and he's probably done it since then, but I'm not sure that I've heard about it, but Dave refused to play with two particular bands.

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I know one of them. Gigantour. They were just on the European shows. There's some of the European shows. Okay, so yeah, there's two of them. Let's see. Let's hear the one you know. They got booted in their own home country. That was Rotting Christ. I think the other band is Greek, too, if I'm not mistaken. But don't take me. Let me look that up real quick. So, okay, you already got it right. But let me just see where these guys are from. No, they're not. They are.

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They're Swedish. Swedish. Dissection. Yeah. That's right. I remember that now because he didn't want to play with John because he was such a Satanist. Yeah, I remember that too. I don't think he's done that since, but maybe he just has not let them get on the bill in the first place, whoever they are. It's funny because that one's stuck in my head and I think I have seen that he's played some places with bands and I thought, hmm, he's not looking at that bill.

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At least one of the festivals or something. Yeah, that's all I have for you. I would say you put up a better than 500 batting average there, Jordan. Nice. Nicely done. All right. Let's move on to our top five.

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We made a list and we all made a list. And we're going to tell you all about it right now.

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albums from 2010. And I thought, mainly because we couldn't remember what years we'd done already, and I knew we hadn't done anything in 2010 or later, so I went with that. And I thought it would be relatively easy, but there wasn't as much good stuff that year as I thought. It was a little weird. I agree. So I don't have any honorables because I just couldn't be bothered. Well, you know what it was? A lot of bands that I really like,

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Released the record after their best record that year. Or like live albums. Or something, yeah. Like Nevermore was Obsidian Conspiracy. And I mean, if they had been, you know, the Godless Endeavor year, I'd be like, yeah. But there's a few. I got fired. Yeah, I mean, I could have had some honorables, but I just, I didn't. Fair enough. So, all right, well, why don't we start? Well, it wasn't impossible, but it was, yeah, it wasn't as easy as. Yeah, except for my number one, which is, oh.

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I think we probably chose the same number one. I think so. All right, Matt, what's your number five? To what you were saying, I will just say 2010 was kind of an interesting year for me because I had spent some time, 2010, 29, 2009, 2010 were probably a year where I came back into metal a little bit more focused and kind of diving a little bit deeper into things. So there was actually, I actually had 11 honorable mentions. Wow.

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Fuck you, George. You know, 2010 was the first time I went to Valken, so I was like, you know, again, very pivotal in my life, and so I took in a lot, and so a lot stuck with me. So number five for me, The Ocean. I did both heliocentric and anthropocentric. I did look at that. All right. All right. My number five. I'm guessing no one will have this, but that's all right, because I still think it's a pretty cool album. A band we haven't heard from in a while, actually, but it's intronautical.

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Valley of Smoke.

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Oh yeah.

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Oh yeah.

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I'm not going to cricket you.

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Has it been since 2010 since we're in the middle of the day?

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Or did they have another record?

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I think they had one.

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No,

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they've had two more.

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It's just.

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Like in the last couple of years they had one.

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Yeah.

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They've had two actually.

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So,

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um,

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just,

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they seem quiet right now.

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I don't know.

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All right.

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Will.

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I'm going to predict that

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probably

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I would say maybe one of my

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My Albums may be on one other person's list. Other than that, no one's going to have any of these things on their list. And I have a bunch of honorable mentions. So I kind of threw this together at the last minute because, again, it's been a busy week. My number five, Immolation, Majesty and Decay. You know, I've gotten into them a lot more recently. They're good.

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When that kind of pushed got you going? Actually, it was Will. I mean, they played... They played last year. Last year. And that's sort of when I was like, and you were like, fucking Immolation! And I was like, fucking Immolation. And I was like, all right, well, you know, I had occasion to really be into death metal earlier this year. And so I revisited it, and I was like, yeah, right, they're kind of cool. So I'm admitting that to you.

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Thank you, George. I love you. Kim, John, George. All right, Will. Not Will. I'm looking at Jay and I said Will. Oh, Jay, sorry. I haven't done that in a while. So it begins again. Yeah, back when I come full circle. I have to admit that this is kind of the last thing that truly interested me by this band. But nevertheless, it was a great year that year. And I saw them and they were wonderful that year as well. Ghost Opus Eponymous. That's right. I was going to put that on there.

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When that first one came out, they were pretty special. I lost my mind when that album came out. I was like, this is just like merciful fate! Yeah, it's pretty special. Yeah. Eight, my number five, Flotsam and Jetsam, The Cold. That was a surprisingly good comeback album for them, and I liked it a lot. So, there you go. Snuck in at number five. I didn't even know that existed.

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There's probably a few you don't know. They were pretty down like an underground there for a while. All right, back to Matt. And still are, actually. My number four is 1349 Demon Noir. Oh, yeah. I thought about it. I really did not look at this stuff well enough. I drank their beer. Yeah. All right. Is it good beer? Yeah. They put it on their Facebook page a lot. They'll feature it when they're drinking it or whatever.

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Stop drinking and make a new album. It's been a while. Golf in the Chaos came out three or four years ago now. And that was great, too. I dug that one a lot. It was really good. John. All right. You probably can't cricket me because Jay's actually heard of this band before. But if you want to go ahead and do it now and get out of the way, you can. There we go. All right. My number four.

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is King Crow Flagathon. Oh yeah, for careful. I know Jay's dead. I do know. Yeah, so. I'm sorry. Willem? The next one has a very special place in my heart, and I guarantee no one will have this on their list. You'll have to hear me out. My number four, Volbeat. Beyond Hell, Above Heaven. And anyone who's listened to this podcast,

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will know that I bought this album and I heard the song Evelyn, which features Barney from Napalm Death. And I thought it was an awesome song. And I decided to name my daughter Evelyn. Wait, is that true? Yeah, absolutely. I'm going to do that every time you tell that story. That's my answer. Wait, what? Which I have done that to you a couple of times already, by the way.

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I mean, my wife will probably tell it a slightly different way, but I definitely remember hearing the name Evelyn when I listened to this song. I had the guy from Napalm Death on. I'm like, this is a pretty cool fucking song on this album, and it's one of their probably best and most popular songs. And so my daughter is named Evelyn, which, by the way, Matt, dad of Northern Darkness. We have to tell the story real quick. Yeah. I have an Evelyn, too.

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My Evelyn was named after her grandmother. I know that. Either way, it's a fucking cool name. I know. And then what is your son's name? His middle name is William. Yeah, and my son's name is William. So we basically... And I told my daughter this story. Oh, by the way, one of the guys that do the podcast. He has a daughter named Evelyn and a son named Wyatt William. And she kind of lost her mind because she's always very...

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who's always very curious. And weirdly enough, if you watch Sleeping Beauty, you know how in the old school movies they did all the credits in the beginning? There's an Evelyn who does something on Sleeping Beauty and my daughter loses her mind every time. So I think my daughter would get along famously with your daughter. So bring your whole family down for some show that I'm going to have an atlas and just come down. Bring the whole family.

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She freaks out just when she sees that running in the credits. That's great. Yeah, no, she does. Because it's not that popular. Hey, tell me I was hitting the Gwar crack pipe that day, but did... Yes, you were. Didn't Volby play that at Valken and Barney came on and did it with him? I don't know if I was... I don't think I was present when Volby played. I wasn't either. That was the wandering around in the

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Ditch in the middle of the night trying to figure out where the fuck I was, but I could hear Volbeat playing. I know Volbeat did a live song. Wasn't Napalm Death there? They were. Yes. So I swear he came, I swear he was like, I'm Barney from, I swear they played it. I know the lead singer from Jungle Rot did a version of it. So my son and daughter are both obsessed with that song. Cool. Evelyn, Volbeat, Beyond Hell, Above Heaven.

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Not my favorite album ever, by far, but for that reason, it's all. George, just so you know, I was able to confirm via the internet that this is exactly what happened at Valken this year. Yes! I was going to say, I think they played the same night, so that makes sense. Because I was thinking about Will. I was literally lost in the dark, falling into P-field ditches trying to find my damn tent. But I was close enough to one of the main fields that I could hear it. I was like, at least I could hear Volbeat. You know.

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You don't even know how close it came to happening

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I'm gurgling on pee right now

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Isn't that funny?

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Anyway

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You know this

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George this might be the reason why your leg

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Got as bad as it did if you're falling in

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Big pee puddles

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I almost fell

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I like my fat ass tried to like jump a ditch and you know first of all like feet in both sides of this thing are like you know it's mud so it looks on you walk up and like and you know I jumped across and I'm like and like almost fell over and pitch black couldn't see anything I was good times can't wait to do that again best I can't wait to never do that hey 2019 it's gonna pay off and

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Stories Forever. I think one of the greatest things ever for this podcast, if John and George went to Valken together, and just to hear the postmortems and everything, just be a bunch of old dudes complaining about everything. Your back hurts, my knee hurts. Yeah. I told you we should bring Eric. God damn it, where is he? All right, so Jay.

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I'm so generic, but I can't help it. This is a good record. Monster Magnets Mastermind came out that year, and it's one of the best post-2000 Monster Magnet records, so I got to put it on my list. All right. My number four, John Oliva's Pain Festival. Yeah, I like some of the stuff John's done with John Oliva's Pain. That's a really good album. Probably my favorite one. I don't even know what you're talking about. Huh? He's the dude from Sabotage. The Mountain King? You know who the Mountain King is?

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So he does the

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No, I know the

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Hall of the Mountain

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King.

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I don't know

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whatever the hell

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George said was.

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John Oliver.

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That's the guy.

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He's the guy.

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That's the guy.

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Yeah.

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He also has the

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side project.

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Well, that's

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solo band.

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He's the guy.

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Are they the guys

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who do Trans-Siberian

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Orchestra?

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He's the guy.

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He's the guy.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Well, I just saw him

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in concert a couple

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months ago.

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All right, then.

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At Trans-Siberian

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Orchestra?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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That shit's weird.

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That is a wild show. I saw that too. It has made him a rich man. Oh yeah. There's a lot of religious overtones in that shit. Oh is there? I don't know. Oh my god yeah. They come around at Christmas every year. Yeah isn't that the point? Yeah. Yeah I'm not. That's a good one. This Easter show seems to have a lot of overtones in it. I didn't sign on for this. I keep singing about this Jewish zombie astronaut.

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What the fuck? Who bought these tickets? All right. Back to Matt for number three. Number three, Enslaved Axioma Effica Odini. I knew that one was coming up. I figured. Nice. My number three, In Mourning Monolith. Okay. Yeah, I thought that one might too. My number three, this one kind of snuck up on me because I was

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I was listening to it today. I was like, wow, this is really good. I kind of forgot about this one. Forbidden, a mega wave. And, you know, going back earlier to the news item when the guy died, I was like, let me take a listen to this. Wow, this is really good. I don't think he was on that one, though. He probably wasn't, but it just reminded me of Forbidden. Anyway. Anyway. Anyway.

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My number three is

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Witchery, Witchkrieg.

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Yeah, that is a good one.

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Yeah.

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I like the cover of that record.

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That's right.

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Very cool.

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All right.

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And we are speedily back to Madigan.

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Number two, Agalok, Mare of the Spirit.

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Oh, shit.

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That came out.

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I didn't know that.

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I thought I was almost sure I was going to end your list.

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Be honest with you, George.

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I missed it somehow.

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All right.

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My number two.

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Hopefully you didn't miss this one.

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Eson after.

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George missed that one too.

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I saw it and I meant to make a note of that and I didn't do it.

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The greatest part about this sometimes is like, I know if you're listening to this, you can't see us, but we can see each other.

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It's just the look on John's face.

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He's like, really?

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Really?

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You failed me.

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George, you didn't.

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It's been a long, hard week. I'm taking your Emperor card away for two weeks. Especially when you hear my number two. Oh, boy. Oh, my. Yeah. Who was this? My number two. God dethroned under the sign of the Iron Cross. That is a great. I knew that was going to be on your list. Yeah. My number two is my last.

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record by this band that I truly loved and so it was the height of my love for this band. I don't dislike them now but this was the last really good one. High on Fire, Snakes for the Divine. Nice. That was a good album too. That was a great record. It's probably better than my number two. My number two you're going to think is number two. But I... Maybe it should be an honorable mention there. But it was one of my favorite albums of that year. And it's White Wizard, Over the Top. Oh no, I can respect that.

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Iron Goddess of Vengeance. I love that song. And anyway. I mean, I don't like it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You understand why I like it, though, because I'm opposed to it. Yeah, I mean, I'm told simple people like things like that. Wait, wait, wait, wait. I got something for you. No, I'm joking.

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Like truly bands that kind of just do that out of like, you know, like as a tribute to the past. And some of them, they either love them or you don't. There's a few of them that I love and I just never got into them. But I totally get it. I only like that album and their latest album. Everything in between sucks. Was the latest one this year or last year? This year. I remember it being talked about. Came out January this year. I remember you talking about it. Yeah, I was like, it's awesome. And Bill was like, he's dying over there. He's like, it sucks.

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And I was like, whatever. All right, Matt, number one. My number one, I realize I've never said the name of this helmet out loud, so forgive me. It's probably going around. Trypticon Eparastera Dimonis? Yeah, probably. Something like that. It's a hard. That's tough. He's doing that to us on purpose. I'd be surprised if that's not George's number one.

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as well. Fair enough. Boy, look, man, I'm pink. What the hell's going on? The lighting gets weird on these things. Yeah. John. I don't look like this. I considered White Wizard for my number one, but I knocked it up at the last second. Where's my fuck you button? I like dicks. Closest I'm going to get. Oh, Dini. Whatever it is. It just looks funny with the extra eye.

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That wasn't too obvious. Enslaved. But that makes sense. I expected that. That was a weird. Cool. Will? My number one. High on Fire. Snakes for the Divine. When this album came out, I was in brewing school. And I just listened to this over and over and over again. And there was a guy who was also in brewing school who was a huge High on Fire fan. Who's his name? Matt Pike?

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No. The guy in brewing school actually had to wear a shirt. It's got Frost Hammer on it, man. It's got that Bastard Samurai song. Bastard Samurai, Frost Hammer, Thanks for the Divine. This was just an amazing and a funny story is that there was a whole bunch of us went out one night and my wife, not before she was my wife, no, she was my wife, when she came out to visit me in Chicago,

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We all went to this bar. I forget the name of it. But they used to have this thing called pornos and eggs or something like that. And they would just put old school 70s pornos on and then you could eat eggs at midnight, like breakfast. But somehow they just started, in the middle of all this nonsense, they just started playing Frosthammer. And I'm trying to teach a woman who was in my class, I'm trying to teach her husband,

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the lyrics of the song, like it was a drunken mess, but high on fire, snakes of the divine. In closing, let me just say. In closing, let me just say that it was a crazy night. They played the song. I love this album. It reminds me of brewing school. High on fire. All right. Their best album by far, in my opinion. I would say it ties with,

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Death is Discommunion. Close tie to me. No, you're wrong. But anyway, go ahead. You're entitled to your shitty opinion. Okay, this is, you're going to get at least two, and I'm pretty sure three different pronunciations of this. Let me just read it right off the screen so I don't get it too wrong. Oh, fuck it. It's called Five Finger Death Punch. Or as I like to call them now, Five Finger Dick Punch. Yeah.

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The Tripticon Record. Yeah, Parkers and Decker Snowmarners. I was still high off of the fumes from Monotheist. And sorry that they had to go away, but glad that he came back the way he did. Which was really just kind of walking down the same path. A little bit different, but still. Yeah, I love that record, man. You know, let's see if we get the new one this year, George, by the way. I mean, we felt like it was rumored, and then now it's nothing all of a sudden or anything.

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Nah, they're looking for a drummer. They've got a few shows, though. Oh, do they? Okay. Speaking of that, what's your favorite number one record? Well, surprisingly, it's not what you think it is. It is a band called Trip Tycon. And their album... Eppersmodal. Eppersmodal.

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Demon Babies. Yeah. That's a good one. That's a good one. Yeah. Scrotum Demon Babies. What? Yeah, I don't know what they were thinking. Well, they win. Yeah, they win for sure. Wonder Twin Powers Activate, form of awesome number ones. And, you know, you guys' number ones are good, too. Yeah, whatever. No, I like them. Honorable mentions. Who's got them? Yeah, throw them out. Spit them out. We'll start with Matt. I know he had some. All right.

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Covelo Talk, self-titled, Sigh, Scenes from Hell, Shining Black Jazz, Eson, After, In Morning, Monolith, Rotting Christ, Ealo, El Vedi, Everything Remains as It Never Was, High on Fire, Snakes for the Divine, Immolation, Majesty and Decay, Intronaut in the Valley of Smoke, Ghost, Opus Eponymous. You just robbed everybody else's list for your honorables. I did. Except mine. Nobody liked mine.

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But that's okay. John, do you have any honorable mentions? No, I just didn't have time to go through enough. I'm sure I've got like 10 or 11 just like you guys, but none for tonight. Willa? My honorable mentions, Hooded Menace, Never Crossed the Dead. Sick of it all. Sick of it all. Based on a true story, one of my favorite tech death bands ever, Braindro.

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Quantum Catastrophe, Monster Magnet, Mastermind. Jay, for you, buddy. Yes. A band probably no one's heard of, but I love. Calibra 666, Blood Fueled Chaos. I'm surprised, Jay, you didn't mention this one. Electric Wizard, Black Mass. Fuck. God damn it. I love that record too, dude. You know, I went to, you know where I looked it up was in Wikipedia that year in Heavy Music, and I went to a few of them, but shit. Oh, that totally would have been on there, which is why they played that the other

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And by the way, a lot of this is based on my iTunes year released, and it may be wrong. It may be 2011. It could be 2009. That sounds about right. All the ones that are on my list, I verified. All my top five. Three more. Exodus is Exhibit B, The Human Condition. I do like that. The Sword, Warp Riders. And last but not least, I thought somebody made me say this,

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But no one did. Iron Maiden and The Final Frontier. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, as far as Iron Maiden records, no, it wasn't my favorite. But as far as the one that preceded it and the one that came after, this is a much better record because The Book of Souls is a piece of shit. See, you're fighting both me and George there because I like the one before it and George likes the one after it. So it's weird. So you like The Matter of Life and Death? Believe it or not, I think that's a really good record. That's a piece of shit. And so is The Book of Souls.

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And I hate your mother

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Yeah

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She smells like alcohol berries

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So my list briefly would be

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Honestly Electric Wizard would have been on my list list

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Because I really like that

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Electric Wizard record a lot

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And honestly there was a couple

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Other ones you guys named that I should have said

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But the only other one that actually

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I had to wrestle

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With was I thought Overkill's record that year

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Was really good Ironbound

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Oh, Ironbound is good. Yeah, yeah. Oh, that should have been on my honorable mentions. Yeah. Yeah, so I'll put that on my honorable mentions. That's the last one I really got into by Overkill. Not that they're crapping now or anything like that, but that one just had some extra vinegar on it. I have to say that they, as long as they've been around and as long as they've sort of been considered a second tier of thrash band, not part of the big four. Yeah. But, man, they've consistently put out some good stuff.

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Yeah. They're making a new one right now, if I'm not mistaken. Or did it just come out? No, it's not out yet. I remember when I was at the Decibel Tour in Philadelphia, not this last year, but the previous year, when horrendous an obituary in Creator Play, and Bobby Blitz was up in the balcony. Does he live out there? He's from Jersey, so not that far from Philly. Yeah, fair enough. He seems like a cool guy. All my honorable mentions,

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are the ones that are on your lists that aren't on mine. Because I love you guys. John looks skeptically like whatever. Even brain drilled quantum catastrophe. I'll check it out. But not caliber 666. Are you sure Eson's on your honorable mentions? Yes, I am. I'm on my honorable mentions. Children, this is what happens when you make your lists too quickly.

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He who hesitates is lost. And he who makes his list last fucks up. All right. Let's move on to what we're listening to.

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Wasprichter.

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Okay.

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What the hell was the last album?

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Did you say new metal meets folk metal with industrial fear factory in there?

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It's just a tiny.

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Well, at first I thought fear factory meets new metal or meets folk metal.

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But after a while, I was kind of like,

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this reminds me of like what a coal chamber would sound like if they had like a violinist or something.

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It's like Mongolian metal.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Totally.

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Yeah.

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I actually have a shirt.

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I have a Tinker Cavalry shirt.

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Nice.

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Nice.

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All right.

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Continuing.

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Abstractor, Sinnerus, Incarnate, Esauctrilium, Pandemorphium, Forbidden Formulas to Awaken the Blind Sovereigns of Nothingness. Matt, are you just making this shit up? No, no, I typed it out. I typed it out. Negrito, Fleshtorn, Spirit Pierced, Gastly, Negrito, Fleshtorn, Spirit Pierced, Gastly, Death Velour, Ailes, The Unraveling, Coffin Torture, Dismal Planet,

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I want to say this is called Erdv Vito Himas. Next band Para. The album is called Riti. Moving on, The Ugly, Thematology, Unreal Overflows, Latent, Apostle of Solitude, From Gold to Ash, Witch Casket, Hatred Index. Did we call that Krochen? Nine Years of Blood? Krochen. Krochen. I want to pronounce this in a German way.

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Yeah.

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I did not put that on my list precisely because I had no fucking idea how to say it.

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A band called, I believe they go by Relayer, but it's R-L-Y-R.

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The album's called Actual Existence.

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And then Fyrant, Exordium.

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And I would call this Cosmogear.

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I think it's Eternity with an E-V in front of it.

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So Evernity.

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I don't know.

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But yeah, that's it.

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Cool.

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There's a lot on there I need to check out. Thank God we taped this. Yeah. Go back and listen to it again. Okay, so we've mentioned a lot of these already, so I won't say too much about them, but Collapse of Light, we've mentioned, Ghastly, the Thrasenblot, the Wolfhammer, the Thigh, was it Katovalk? That Katovalk. Yeah, Eson.

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Also, I've listened, and George's workmates will be disappointed, but I've listened to the new Tesseract, Sonder, the new Oak Pantheon, Soul. I'll get their names wrong, but the Bjornsson and Selvig. I can't pronounce the album title, but it's the kind of dark folk stuff with the guy from Enslaved, and I can't think of the other band.

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That's the name, but excuse me, the other band is...

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Whoa, whoa, whoa. It starts with a W, but I can't. Yeah. It's terrible. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I have the vinyl. I just can't recall it. Not very metal, but it's very cool, kind of dark folk music. And then a bunch of single songs from Camas, Paul Bearer, Yob, Alice in Chains just came out with a new song today.

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I've been just burning through the four songs released from the forthcoming

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Alkaloid album. John, what did you think about that Yob song?

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It's a little different for them. It is. I like it, though.

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It's still pretty cool, though. I mean, I'm just glad we're getting an album

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considering the past couple of years what they've gone through.

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I'm really, really digging that new song. I know it's different, but man, I really like it.

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Yeah, it's cool. Looking forward to the album.

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What have I been listening to lately? I ordered on vinyl for my children. Heaven and Hell and Mob Rules because they need those on vinyl. My kids are obsessed with Dio to the point that they wanted to listen to Elf. I have Elf on vinyl. I'm sorry to hear that because it's kind of terrible. It is. And you got them? You mean you ordered and received?

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No, no, no, I ordered them, and they'll probably come Monday or Tuesday or something like that. And then this may have been in the box, The Inquisitor, Downfall of the Apostates. I'm really liking that. That's a lot. Verithron, Patriarchs of Evil. We mentioned that earlier. The New Ingested, Tech Death. I think they're from the UK. The Level Above Human is the new album. I like that. I listened to the new Paul

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Ballbearer, listen to the new Chemist, Depravity, the death metal band from Australia, their album Evil Upheaval. Evil Knievel? Evil Knievel, what? Listen to the new Church, which is Crazy Slow Funeral Doom, spelled C-H-R-C-H, there's no U in it. So there's a church without you in it. Yeah, that's right. There's a church without you in it.

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Well done.

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Yeah.

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And their album, Light Will Consume Us All.

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And then I think Matt.

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Matt, dad of northern.

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Sorry, I can't.

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I can't call you Matt.

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You have to be dad of northern darkness.

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Yeah, that's cool.

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Virant, Exordium, which was my album of the month.

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Man, these guys.

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When you listen to the first couple minutes of the first song,

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You think it's a phenomenal new Gojira song. They mimic Gojira a lot, but then as the album goes on, they kind of go in their own direction. But Viren from Australia. There's a couple of things from Australia. God, I love Australia. The New Sleep Sciences. Digging that. I've been listening to a lot of the new King Goat, Debt of Eons. And I'm really trying to love this. Choose your words.

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Very carefully, sir. I know. Well, listen, man. I'm trying. You guys love this, and I am trying to love it. And I'm getting past the vocals, which I think are just sort of like cheesy and forced, to be honest. Can you cut his mic, George? Just cut his mic. I mean... Damn it, Will. But then, so like, I'm getting past that. I'm getting past that. But then I'm like, this is like meanders in all kinds of directions.

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I think it just has hook after hook. And hearing you say that about that focus to me is like listening to somebody going, yeah, but then that Bruce Dickinson keeps opening his fucking mouth, man. Everything comes crashing down. No, he's a good singer. I like the voice. No, he's a good singer. It just sounds, it sounds like he's trying to be more operatic and like, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, like more, like he's

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I'm trying.

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I know what my computer looks like right now, but right now there.

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I don't know what yours looks like because there's four people looking at the way that those three are looking at you.

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There's like just three faces that are like this.

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You know what will likes?

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Keep talking.

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You know what he likes?

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I like dicks.

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Enough said.

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And then the last one.

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I mentioned a little bit earlier. I've been listening to a lot of chemists lately. Got it on vinyl and the kids have been listening to it. Can't go wrong there. That's it. I'll be fairly quick. I am thankfully back up to speed on my computer so a lot of what you've mentioned I will finally get to get through this week. But I've been listening to Ghastly. The Panopticon has kind of got its hooks in me. Will bought a record called Foe Hammer. I saw it at Bandcamp. I picked it up. It's really cool. Oh yeah. They play Atlas.

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all the time. They're local and they're the nicest dudes. Super nice guys. And great funeral death doom, I guess. I didn't pick up on that, where they were from, but I got that. Yeah, they're at Atlas all the time. I have been listening to that Hugs Jive record. I actually dig that. It's a little bit late. It's been off for a while, but the Napalm Death, I finally started listening to. The one that's got all the extra songs on it from the older. It's so good. This is a Lister.

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record to the 31 just completely brutal great songs it was great jay i was listening to that the whole way home and then i picked up my son and we listened to kept listening to it and what i love about it now is that my kids don't blink an eye when there's napalm death in my car my kids are so used to it no no it's really good those are things that couldn't fit on other things and some of them probably came on a pps i don't know their whole history but oh man it's great i've been listening to the sleep record

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I've been listening to the hands of despair that George has been pushing pushed on us all a while back. I forced on your throats. Well, no, no, no. It was one of those ones you were like this, you know, when everyone's smile, we'll all say you really need to hear this one. You were like, you really need to hear this one. And I do. I dig it. And you shove it down my throat. I gagged. You know why? You know why? I like dicks. That's why. Oh, there you go. And scene. Finally, I'll just mention that I'm trying to make friends with the new

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a morpher record and i think that we're just gonna have to part ways and i was trying to make friends with the primordial record and i must have listened to that eight times this week that's a good record so that's pretty much what's spinning over here until the downloading starts happening tonight cool well as i mentioned i have a short list so uh no time for a bathroom break uh first up we have uh augury their new album elusive golden age their it's a third album their

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de la vida.

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Makes My Evening. The, I believe, as yet unreleased new album from I've Solitude, Slaves of Solitude. It's the fifth album from this UK Funeral Doom band. No idea how to say this one. Garia, G-A-E-R-E-A, Unsettling Whispers. It's the debut album from a Portuguese black metal band.

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The new master boot record, Direct Memory Access. This is an Italian instrumental industrial electronic metal band, sort of. Interesting stuff. The new album from Merciful Nuns, the not-too-creatively named band, Anomaly X. This is the 10th album of German Sisters of Mercy worship.

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Sisters of Mercy, Merciful Nuns. Not that far off base. But it's still kind of cool. And my last one, Nymphion, Quoth the Raven. It's the third album of Russian symphonic black metal. And all the lyrics on this album are directly from Edgar Allen Poe. Dude, we didn't have to play Dope's Mark. We just played a short Grindcore song and you've been done. Exactly.

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O que é que era que você era joling com a Thrasseblat? Ele está andando a uma grime cor e ele está em 2 segundos? I don't remember. What's that? What's that na palma de song? I think it was a culto after the one that is like 2 seconds long. I'm trying to remember the namo. It's a famous song. It's literally 2 seconds long. I

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Yes? Did you have something to say? No, that was the first song. And then like half an hour later, somebody says, they played that song like nine times. Oh, it's called You Suffer. Oh. Look at that. I think I have heard that. Look it up on YouTube. Is it all scum? Yeah. Yeah. Look, you can YouTube it. It is literally, it's like, I think I get the words wrong. Well, I think that's a little different than the first one you mentioned, Jay. Is that part two?

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The demo.

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The demo, yeah. The demo, and they were like, we gotta clean this up a little bit before we actually record it. Can't put this out. Wait, or is it the remix? Yeah, yeah. With two extra seconds. That's the extended version, yeah. It brings it together. Gets a little long in the tooth around the first second, but the second second, you're like, no, I see why they added this. Maybe they can give it the new Guns N' Roses Appetite for Destruction 74 song version.

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that's coming out. I just saw that out of the corner of my eye, and I wouldn't buy it anyway, but I wondered if it was going to be something that was overbearing. Yeah, so what is that? I just saw that on the iTunes banner. Yeah, so it's obviously the album, and then it's the EP that came out after that, which is like two EPs put into one, and then it's like an additional 50 songs or something like that. Really? Yeah. Stupid. There's no way that thing's going to be like 15 bucks.

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I hate shit like this.

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Oh, God.

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It's almost King Crimson like, you know, when they release something new.

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It's like eight discs long or something.

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Yeah, or Bob Dylan doing those bootleg sessions, you know.

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It's just like, oh, God.

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So.

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Anywho.

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All right.

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Well, here we are at the end of the episode.

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Ran a little longer than I expected, which is good because I was hoping it would.

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Those round tables can go a long time. I know. We need to do more of those. They're fun. I enjoy them. Plus, they kind of go off in all kinds of weird directions. And that's okay, because we do that. I'll look for my shorts later. That would be awesome. All right. Well, before we go, make sure to check us out on SoundCloud and Facebook and Twitter. Discogs. We never mentioned Discogs. We're all on Discogs.

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like two years. Some of us are in Discounts. Bandcamp though, you can find us on there and see what we're listening to. What are you on Bandcamp? We keep saying this, but at some point recently we just sort of stopped saying who we were. On Twitter I am Disciple OV Metal and on Bandcamp I think I'm Metalhead's Podcast George. Yes, you are. And I am Catatonic J in just about every one of

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those things. If you put in CatatomicJ, you're going to find me definitely on BankCamp. Definitely on Twitter. I'm BrewMetalWill, all one word, on Twitter. Yeah, basically everything. Even my email, BrewMetalWill at Gmail. Send me a note. And also, isn't that also, did you somehow work that into your pin number for your bank? Send him a dick pic. Yeah. You know why. You know why, right?

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I like dicks.

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Ah!

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Okay, that joke's old.

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It's officially been retired.

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No, it's not.

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Until next episode.

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I'm whitecluster69 on everything.

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And I am dad of northern darkness.

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Maybe missing some vowels I can never remember, but mostly bandcamp and Instagram.

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All right.

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Thanks for joining us, guys.

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And I don't know if I said us, and I meant me.

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You joined yourselves, apparently. Nice to see your face. Yes. And until next time, and in the not-too-distant future, mid-year. Oh, man. We're going to need a couple weekends for this one. There's a lot of stuff out there. It's going to be a shit show. Yeah, I'm having a hard time with this. It's going to be going. It's going to be the Quaker in Jamaica. Jay, it's going to be a shit show for a lot of reasons. It's going to be bad.

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Well, I may well try. Looch is coming down with a lot of beer. I think I might take a stab at it, see if I can pull that off too. Yeah. Wait, you take a stab and fly over here? What, for the mid-year? Dude. You guys are all going to be in one room together? Well, I guess you have to come out too, Matt. I will see what I can do. You guys are making me. Take the Greyhound. That would be. All you guys here. Oh my God, I don't even know what I'd do.

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God, this is going to be like a Roman bath at some point. Yeah, yeah. The mid-year is clothing optional. In fact, it's clothing not allowed. It's a bunch of naked guys sitting around microphones drinking beer. Hey, Will, we're going to have to put our minds together and figure out who's going to Uber us back home that night. Well, you know, you could stay probably. Not that anybody would be happy with you probably, but.

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George, I am positive. I thought that your other half would be happy with this either. I'm positive you'll find us at one of those fields about two miles down the road, buck naked, hugging a corn stalk. Yeah. Best day ever. All right. Well, we'll see what happens. All right. Until next time, we remain the Metalheads Podcast. See ya. Later.