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Now, here is the podcast, Metal Heads Podcast Go.

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Hello, and welcome to the Metal Heads Podcast.

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My name is George.

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This is Jay.

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This is Will.

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And this is John.

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And we are joined today by the guys from Temple of Void.

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Would you each introduce yourselves and tell us what you do in the band?

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Hey, I'm Alex, and I play guitar in Temple of Void.

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Mike, I'm Brent. I play B.

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Well, thanks guys. Really appreciate you guys spending your Sunday evening.

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I did check to make sure that the Lions were not playing.

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There are no Red Wings were playing.

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So in case you were a sports fan, you're not going to be skipping out on anything tonight.

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But I know we're all very excited to have you guys on because we're all fans.

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Me, especially.

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I'm a kind of super fan here.

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Yeah, just again, thank you for coming on and spending your Sunday with us. So why don't you guys describe, in case there's some buddy metalhead living under a rock somewhere who does not know Temple of Void, tell us a little bit about the band, where you guys are from, the genre, and just kind of start from there.

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Well, we're from Detroit, as you alluded to, with the sports teams. Although we're probably the least sport-oriented band. I mean, does anyone give a shit about sports? I don't think so. A lot. I don't like it. I was going to ask, because I actually grew up in Michigan. It's not the Michigan Cup that you had. Yes, I am sporting, in your honor, my Michigan Wolverine football pint glass. I was wondering if anybody had watched the Michigan-Ohio State beating yesterday.

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Yeah, I caught a little bit of that. I was eating and I saw it on the screen TV of the place I was eating at and it was kind of dismal. I tried not to pay attention. First half of the game was good. We were just handing it to him. I mean, like sticking it to him rather. The second half of the game, we handed it to him and let him just kind of take over. Yeah, that's exactly what I came in like right during the whole second half. Yeah, that sucks. So you guys are actually in Detroit then?

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No, not at all. Mike's the closest, but even he's not. Yeah, I just recently bought a house, but I'm about 10 minutes out of Detroit now. Okay. I grew up outside Ann Arbor. Oh, okay. All right. So you know about a half hour from there. Okay. Still on the side. I mean, if we said Bloomfield Hills, what does that mean to anybody? But Detroit's our closest. Sure. I was wondering if that was the case. A lot of bands do that. They're like, well, we're from here, but you know, the closest city people know is, you know, the big city.

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It's one of those things that's like if you're talking to somebody local, it's a little bit different. But I mean, if you're talking to somebody who is not even in the same state, it's usually it's it's a catch all. But yeah, that's why I just say outside of Ann Arbor. So you said, where are we from? What's our genre? We played Death Doom. Yeah, I think that's I think that's our chosen genre and something that no matter in my opinion, however, TOV evolves over time. It's something that will always

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play within the confines or the box that is death doom you know so that's our i guess

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that's our pigeonhole if you have to put us in some place if you have to label yourselves which most bands

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hate but i think you guys are pretty solidly in that category so yep i was gonna say i think we champion it

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i don't think it's like yeah i don't think anybody in the band is like has an aversion to label

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No, and to me it's like when you're doing a band, it's almost like you need to create something, I guess a vision right off the bat, and then stick to it, you know, and be the best that you can be of that. If you're Iron Maiden, you know what you do, and you do Iron Maiden to the nth degree. If you're Bolt Thrower, you do what Bolt Thrower does, and if you're into a bunch of other stuff, you could be into rap or electronic or whatever, you don't allow that to influence what Bolt Thrower is or what Iron Maiden is.

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You had me at bolt thrower. Yeah. Yeah. But we might be death doing. We could be into other stuff, but that other stuff can't integrate into what we do because we want to be the best death doing band. That's when you start another band to do that other style. Exactly. Like, uh, we do. Yeah. I was going to say, I got to tell you, I'm sorry, George, just real quick. I got to tell you, it's refreshing to hear a band actually say, yeah, we actually like the genre that we play in. And that's what we are because it gets kind of annoying.

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after a while and somebody says, well, I don't like being pigeonholed. It confined me. Okay, whatever. It just sounds pretentious to me sometimes when I hear that. So it's nice to hear a band say, yeah, this is what we do, and that's what we're going to do, and we love it. So thank you for that. Well, when you download your records, though, from Bandcamp like I have, but then you put them on iTunes like I have on my, that's how I listen to music on my computer, it says you are unknown genre, which I think is spookier. So let's just go with that.

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Wait, didn't we invent a genre last night? Nice, let's hear it. What was it? I don't remember. We had some people over last night. Most of the guys were over. I don't know, we kicked around. We invented some genre that was unique to us, but it's lost in the wine. We sobered up. Yeah, so I don't remember what it is. Cooler hats preventable. And then three weeks from now, you're going to be like, we recorded what? Yeah, right. That's right, yeah.

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That was the best song ever. I think he's talking about the podcast. That's the worst show. What the fuck? So you guys released your second album, Lords of Death, back in July on Shadow Kingdom Records. How has 2017 treated you so far? Great. Yeah. It's been a fantastic year. I feel like it was a bit of a slow burn, kind of building up a following with Of Terror and the Supernatural. But I think as 2017 came around,

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and Lords of Death dropped. I feel like the response was pretty immediate or at least immediate compared to what it was prior. And it's been very overwhelmingly positive. And I mean, it's a good feeling for sure. I just, well, he just mentioned of Terror in the Supernatural. And I just have to say at some point during this podcast how fucking much I love the cover of that record, the record as well. But it reminds me of like something from Eerie Magazine or Creepy Magazine or something.

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Yeah, like old San Julian and stuff like that. It's actually Bruce Pennington. Yeah, so we were going to talk about your covers, so now's a good time to do it. I mean, to steal it off there. So first of all, how did you get that cover, Dan? You just reached out to him? That's a Brent. Yeah, yeah. I was going to say Brent can handle that one. I just kind of discovered him. He did a lot of paperbacks for fantasy, sci-fi, horror back in the 70s. Right on. Some of that stuff, I read it.

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art, especially that one. I presented it to the band, and everyone loved it, obviously. Why wouldn't you? And we got a hold of his publicist. His buddy. It was a friend. We didn't get a hold of Bruce directly. Nigel Suckling is who we contacted. Great. That sounds like something out of Spinal Tap. I was just going to say that. And we licensed it for about $200. Nice. No shit.

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Yeah, well, he seemed he liked the name. $300. Sorry. Yeah, he he related to Mr. Pennington. I guess Bruce liked the name and he was interested in it. And yeah, I mean, didn't he wasn't out there, I think, to make like a huge profit off of it. I think he was happy that people like his work. I mean, we didn't really communicate much with him. Yeah, we sent him. Yeah, we sent him copies of everything. We have a nice picture of him holding the album.

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Oh, awesome. You know, um, there's an, there's an even extra layer of menace in that picture too, because if I'm not mistaken, those are poppies that they're walking around. It's so fucking seventies, dude. It's ridiculous. But it's awesome. You brought over the, uh, what is it? The eshetist book or whatever, uh, whatever paper dragon publishing, uh, Roger Dean's brother's label or whatever, like book publishing company.

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We thumbed through and we were just kind of picking out stuff that we thought would fit the band best and that one was kind of the obvious choice. Who did the new album cover? I have a question about that one because I've gone through a lot of the lyrics of Lords of Death and I was looking at the album cover and it seems like there's a lot of lyrics and the themes of the songs.

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or incorporated in the album cover. And so how did that come about? Like, did you send him the album? Did he listen to it? Did he read the lyrics and paint it? Or is this again, like kind of with the Bruce Pennington thing that it was already existing painting and it just was a huge coincidence? No, we sent him everything and we kicked around ideas and Brennan suggested an undead army. So we were trolling the lyrics. He was trolling through the lyrics. And then just between a few back and forth,

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on Facebook. We arrived at a general idea. And he just painted it. And that was it. We didn't see sketches. We didn't see anything. It was like, boom, here's a finished piece. And I was like, all right, pretty cool. So is it mostly based on the song Deceiver in the Shadows? Yes. Okay. And so we had those, some of the soldiers, you see they're flying their standards. Yeah, the Temple of Void symbol. Yeah, sigil on it. Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah. Like that we suggested to do. And, you know, something that kind of personalizes the actual painting a little bit, you know. Yeah. Because that was one of the things, you know, where we took the Bruce Pennington piece. And the Bruce Pennington piece was actually, I think the actual title of it is called Nightfall. And it's from a Lovecraft anthology, like an old paperback one. And it's for this one, we wanted something that was just ours. You know, this is whereas the first one, it was a licensed piece that had already been made.

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It existed. You know, this is something that is ours. And now with that sort of stuff, like the little personalization stuff that happens in there, it's recognizably ours. Right, right. Yeah, I love it. Speaking of Lovecraft, I noticed that Rotten Solitude on the debut album, that seemed like it's about the cask of the Amontillado. Is that? Oh, yeah. No, for sure. Okay. Yeah, I, for,

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As far as doing stuff like this in a band, this is really the first band I've ever done vocals, like solely vocals in. I play guitar mostly. Do you play guitar in Acid Witch? I do. Okay. Yeah, pretty much every band that I do outside of Temple of Void, I've played guitar in. Okay. So this is the first band that I've done something without the guitar. So doing that, and it's also the, it's, I don't really write lyrics very often, so it was kind of,

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I'm trying to draw inspiration from where I could and kind of figure out what I wanted to do. And, you know, I don't really contribute lyrics to Acid Witch or anything like that. So with Temple of Void, I kind of it was kind of an open slate. Like, OK, well, I get to I get to build the themes I want. I get to create the mythos if I choose. You know, I get to draw influence from where I feel like I could. And from there, it was just kind of one of those things where I just kind of.

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I'm trying to think where I came across it. I mean, I obviously I remember reading it because it was kind of required reading for being like a kid in high school. I think it was like freshman year or something. But something that reminded me of the story. And I was like, you know what, that'd be a pretty good one to kind of delve into, see if I can tackle it. And that was actually one of the first songs I wrote lyrics for for the album. So it was sort of a trial and error. OK, well, let's this seems like a good place to start. Let's see if I can work from here.

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And then the other songs just kind of started coming along.

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Yeah, so I'm curious, you know, going through the lyrics and the songs and everything, like some of them, obviously that one's based on Lovecraft. Are there other ones that are based on, and I've done a little bit of research on your extensive VHS horror movie collection? Or is it like just something like just completely make up out of the blue? Have you ever just like, you know what, just let me do some research on the internet and find something completely

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fucked up like some crazy serial killer. Like, like, so is it a combination? Like, kind of go through it. Well, actually, I've been trying to kind of avoid Lovecraft. I kind of feel like a lot of people use Lovecraft and whatnot. The Cask of Amontillado is actually Edgar Allan Poe. Yeah. Oh, sorry. Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, whatever. No worries. But yeah, so I went. Oh, man. Yeah, that was one of the things I drew from there. Yeah, because, you know, Poe is Poe is so much more, you know, obscure than H.P. Lovecraft.

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But, you know, whatever. It was a starting point for that. As far as, like, some of the other stuff, I actually, for Lords of Death, I started drawing some influence from some... We don't need a mic. They can probably hear you from DC. Whatever, man. He's coming through loud and clear, which is good. But for the stuff on Lords of Death, I actually drew from some humorous stuff. There's a song on there called The Gift, which was somewhat inspired from a... Wait, wait, wait. Can I guess? Can I guess what it's from?

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Sure. Is it from the Velvet Underground song? No. Okay, sorry, because they do this song. Anyway, go ahead then. Let's hear it. Jesus, Jay. I was going to ask him that one. No, it's, believe it or not, when I was a kid, we used to get like the Scholastic Book Fair things and we'd get, you know, you'd go in there and buy stuff. And I was always into short horror stories. I still have most of them from when I was a child. And I distinctly remember one story that was in there about a kid that got a package that was

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was his own skull in the mail. And I thought that was such a cool concept. That was like, all right, well, I'm going to see if I can take that concept and kind of adapt it to a little bit more of a morbid death metal context. So there you go. It came from a child's still lasting. Just so I don't completely make it sound like I came up with a terrible reference there. I'm not a Velvet Underground fan in particular. But that song, they have a song called The Gift, and it's about a guy who mails himself to his girlfriend and she can't open the package and she rams the scissors.

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So I thought maybe that's where you would go. That's cool. Oh, that's awesome. It's a cool concept. So I think there's a return to like Gift Part 2 on the next album. Is that what you're asking, Jay? I don't want to make a request, but you know. So how did you find out about the Hidden Fiend, the Aswang and the Hidden Fiend? Like, is that just something that you knew? The Filipino cult demon, folklore demon?

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Well, you guys were talking about the extensive VHS horror collection. I actually have a pretty extensive horror collection. I'm kind of a nerd about it. There is a movie. The VHS is called The Unearthing, but Synapse did a full cut of the movie called Aswang. And yeah, it's about the Filipino sort of like demon vampire. So yeah, I did a little bit of research on it.

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I got the inspiration from the movie. And I was like, all right, well, let's see if I can write a song about the actual, like, let's do some research on the actual creature itself. The real creature. Yeah. The real one. Not the internet rumor one. Jesus Christ. Go on. That was one that I got the inspiration from a movie, did a little bit of the research on my own to kind of pull up.

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the actual folklore from where it's derived from and kind of just went from there penning lyrics. It was funny today. One of my good friends, Chris Brady, is over in the Philippines right now. I was like messaging him on Facebook. Dude, look out for the Aspong. I have to say just real quick, people who are listening can't see this, but I'm watching you guys and you're acting just like us when we're in George's house. Just the gyrations and the movements and it's making me laugh the whole time.

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because that's exactly what we do. We're sitting around drinking beers and talking about... Which is what we'll be doing next week. What are you talking about? I want to talk about your movie collection a little bit. I was looking at, not to pull them into this, but I was looking at a really cool acid witch publicity photo where somebody has a poster for that Alucard. I don't remember how to pronounce it. Oh, Alucarda? Yeah. Do you have that? Do you own it? Because I have a lot of weird, obscure stuff. I'm wondering what some of the obscure

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stuff you like is oh god i don't i mean i like a lot of that mondo

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macabre stuff like uh you know satanical pandemonium all that like a la carta like

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non-sploitation stuff yeah um i don't know why you put me on the spot here but uh i'm trying to think of

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anything super obscure that i've watched recently uh or anything that's kind of come into mind

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It doesn't even have to be obscure actually

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just maybe some of your favorites

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Some of my favorites?

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Sure

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I actually

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some of the stuff actually favorite movies

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I've actually used as

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lyrical inspiration for this

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I like a lot of

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horror anthology movies

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there was Hammer horror stuff

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and then there was also Amicus

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who did a lot of like

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who utilized a lot of Peter Cushing

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and stuff like that. There's a movie called From Beyond the Grave, which is about Peter Cushing plays a he's like a pawn shop owner. And everything that's in the pawn shop has some sort of like evil to it. And either people like will switch prices or they'll try and steal. But everything leads to its own like little vignette short story and everything comes to an end. Well, there is a guy who gets a mirror and in the mirror there is like sort of this parallel universe. And it became the lyrics to Beyond the Ultimate, which.

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which goes back to actually the demo days. And that one's one of my favorite ones. I love that. It's so creepy looking. It's like you see the mirror and all of a sudden the smoke just sort of starts billowing from behind the glass. And you see this guy who kind of looks like Chris Christofferson. And he's commanding him to kill for him. And with each kill, the blood sort of builds him stronger and stronger and his presence gets more and more prominent until ultimately he gets to

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the mirror and come over into this dimension.

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And by doing so, he takes the guy who is doing the killing for him,

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and he throws him behind the mirror, and he's basically trapped there

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until he can get someone to kill X amount of people to bring him out.

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And now that he's on the other side, this guy who has now received all these blood sacrifices,

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he can now go and he can kill and feast on people as much as he pleases

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because he's now no longer trapped in the confines of this parallel universe. Stuff like that. The amicus horror stuff. They also did the Tales from the Crypt and the Vault of the Horror. Right, right, right. Which, Bargain and Death, we use a sample from the actual Bargain and Death short story from the Vault of Horror movie. I'm watching that Peter Cushing thing tonight, man. That's right up my alley. Oh, if you haven't seen it, I really recommend it. No, I appreciate it. Cool. It sounds like the beginning of a concept album.

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to tie all the songs together. You go into his pawn shop, and then every song's a vignette. There you go, album three. Would you guys ever do a concept album? I think, what are you going to do that one? You heard it here first. Right now, it's a clean slate. Like I said, anything's possible. Whatever I think is lyrically inspiring at the time. I really don't think that's out of the realm of possibility.

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I mean that was Mike's one of his original concepts when we did of terror was to make it like just like the album art comes from a paperback anthology you know we wanted the music to be reflective of an anthology like that so each one's its own tale of terror so I think it only makes sense that you take the vault crypt you know concept and tie it together in a more maybe overt fashion yeah exactly and that's like

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Like Jay, I think you said earlier, like we were talking about eerie and creepy, all that Warren publication stuff. Yeah, it's that stuff I grew up always reading. I was obsessed with old EC comic stuff, like all that, all that stuff. And then from there graduated onto that, all that eerie publication stuff, like Weird Tales and all the, even the DC stuff like Witching Hour, like Unexpected or, you know, House of Mystery and all that stuff. I love reading that. You know, it's just an endless supply of, you know,

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You know endless supply of inspiration. Oh, I love those things, dude. Are you a Paul Nashie fan by any chance? Oh, yeah, I love Paul Nashie. That's really what I was trying to get around to. Just I like to make sure people love Paul Nashie like I do. Hey, look at that. That's awesome. Oh, man. I love Paul Nashie. Yeah. He's like $3 on Amazon. I gotta get that now. He's like the John Belushi of horror. That is awesome.

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So the new album is pretty fucking heavy. How has your sound evolved since the first album? Where did you get all that extra heavy? Yeah, the extra heavy was actually always there. It just wasn't... Recorded right? No, it wasn't really mixed right. Fair enough. It was mixed for free. And therein lies the problem. And I really don't want to say anything... It's not that it's bad.

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It's just so much more in your face this time

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Yeah, I would love to do a remix remaster of the original album

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and people might even prefer of Terror and the Supernatural with its murky thing

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because it has its own quality to it

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But I'd also really love to hear it remixed and remastered with Vinny

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the guy who did Lords of Death

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and see how it sounds with the heavier

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because I believe he could get a very similar sound

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if he just had all the original files, which I have

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You know, though, you make a good point about the murkier thing, though, man, because there are I have some there's lots of points in my record collection where I'm like, if this was if this was any different. And I like a good example is like Merciful Fate, Melissa. The difference between Melissa and Don't Break the Oath on production is massive. And one of them is a lot brighter than the other one. But I don't want anybody to go back and touch Melissa. I prefer the way it is. It's almost evil, more evil that way, man. I don't know. I don't know the right word for it. It has more impact on me somehow.

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Yeah, I feel like I'm in the minority with the band. I actually don't mind the production on Of Terror and the Supernatural. Like, murky is a really good adjective to describe it. It's very cavernous sounding. The one thing that I do have gripe-wise is I really feel like the drums do not have a lot of impact on it. A lot of punch. Yeah, there's a lot more punch with the drums on Lords of Death. It sounds like it should. If you look at that cover, if you were one of us, like when we were kids and there was no internet, you would take that home and it's not a good idea.

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and you would not have been let down. You would have been like, this sounds exactly like the cover of this record. I got to say, all four of us have said this about Lords of Death. It's an absolute crushing sound. I absolutely love it. So I have a question, and this is for you, Brent, because it goes back to your guys' demo. You didn't list your instruments. You actually listed the brand name of what you were playing, which I thought was really funny. I love liner notes and little things like that. So Brent, you play a Rickenbacker, right?

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You still playing that? Yeah. Okay, so I'm a big prog guy. So as soon as I saw that right away, I'm thinking, well, is he a Geddy Lee fan? Is he a Chris Squire fan or is he a Lemmy fan? So, I mean, did you notice the sound being like that because you're playing a Rick? Because it does carry a completely different sound than other bases. I can't say that I'm not much of a gearhead like Mike and Alex. These guys are total gearheads.

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I'm just a caveman playing the bass. I found this thing on the street, dude. I don't know. I just try to make it sound heavy. I play with Jason. Jason and I just try to be as boneheaded as we can. Well, let me tell you, man. I'm a big fan of Rick's because I like the way they sound. I think it adds to what you guys are doing. You have such a huge sound. There's not many deaf doom bands that have that big, huge sound, but sound really

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there. But it's heavy and not mushy. Yeah. You know, like so many other things. And so that really was one of the first things that grabbed me about this album. Well, the cool thing about Vinny is, so he's a friend of ours who we've known for a long time. But he just, he mics it, and that's it. He doesn't fart around, you know, pre-production trying to get this tone. He doesn't fart around,

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after the fact with post-production, he just mics our amps, and it's pretty much good to go. So when we hear it on our headphones, it's actually what we sound like, which when you're recording is kind of unusual. Most of the time, they're all farting around and dialing things in, and you're like, that's not my tone. This is our tone. Jason just got here, our drummer. But yeah, I guess we can add to the thing. Recording at Mount Doom, he's a tone guy himself. He's a guitar player himself, so he kind of knows what he likes,

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and he knows how to get, you know, I mean, from doing his own stuff, I think he's got like a pretty heavy, just very stripped down tone, just kind of dialed in with that. He knows how to get the best mic placement and running through there. Like Alex says, it's real simple. You know, there's not a lot of like VSTs or plugins or things like that happening where it's like, you know, death metal tone one and then you just kind of apply it to the sound. It is literally the sound of your amplifier, you know, and running by amps out like he's got. I think Alex uses.

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He's got his orange and he's got the dual rectifier so he gets kind of the saturated sound from the dual rectifier but he gets kind of the more like resonance in the low end from the orange and that kind of put together it's kind of a more three-dimensional sound happening Eric Eric played through I believe he's got an old JMP and a JCM 800 so he's got kind of that screeching almost you know that that very recognizable Marshall sound happening too so it's like they're all kind of so now you've got four different

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and four different tones that kind of come together and it creates a pretty full sound I would say.

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It's a guitar player myself I was pretty happy with it.

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It's a full sound but you can hear everybody on this album though.

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You were saying about the last album with the drums where you thought were a little drowned down or not or in the background.

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Everyone stands out but everyone sounds like they're in the band together at the same time which is what I love about the production.

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So we've been joined by the drummer perhaps you can introduce yourself.

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Yes, this is just some guy we found. Homeless dude. Cheers, fellas. Cheers. And he's wearing Lululemon, too. And drinking red wine. Drinking red wine. Just came from the yoga studio. So I'm surprised that Will hasn't gotten to this yet, but what is everybody drinking? Whatever Alex offered. Red wine. Red wine. It's a Michigan beer. Which one is it?

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Diabolical Pale Ale. It's a Michigan beer, 6.66% alcohol. Nice. Oh, nice. That fits right in with us. Yeah. I don't know. Someone, like I said, we had people over last night, so I don't know what this is. Some red wine that someone brought over. That's probably the first wine we've had on here. No, Yanni. Oh, right. That's right. I forgot. Sorry, Yanni. Damn, where are you at?

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That actually might be kind of funny to do. So, so John and I here. So Alex, I alluded to this earlier when we were doing the Skype test. And John, do you want to tell them what beer we're drinking? Well, we're currently drinking. I got this because it was a Black Friday special at our local.

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beer store, but I'm happy they had it. Deschutes, it's a 2014 version of The Abyss, which I thought would be appropriate. Band name, Temple of Void. Let's drink some dark, ominous beers. Called The Abyss. The Abyss. And it's, I don't know if you guys have ever had it, but I'm a big fan of Deschutes. Fresh squeezed. Yes, there you go. It's delicious. Yeah, it's good. And then we had another one earlier that we got here. I'll let you do this one. Oh, yeah, my buddy, Steve Angelino,

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who I was in the Marine Corps with. Looch.

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He sent us the Inundation Double Dry Hopped IPA from Counterweight Brewing.

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So the guy who used to be in New England Brewing Company up in Connecticut started Counterweight.

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And New England Brewing Company is famous for two of their beers.

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They're 668 Neighbor of the Beast.

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Excellent.

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Which is a great beer.

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And their Imperial Stout Trooper, which I had one yesterday.

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And then we have a he sent us another one that we'll drink a little bit later called The Void. Oh, cool. I like oatmeal stout. Yeah. We do, too. Sounds heavy. Yeah. So, George, what do you got? I'm drinking my favorite sour. It's a Flemish sour ale called Duchess de Borgon. Something along those lines of pronunciation.

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And it's not that heavy.

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No.

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Nobody here is going to call you on that.

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No.

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And as usual, we're going to skip right over Jay.

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But hey, speaking of beer, so I think it may, Brent, it may have been your Instagram or something.

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You were at, was it you that was at True Brewing Company?

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And they had the Worship the Void beer?

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No, that was me.

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That was Jay.

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Oh, Jason, that was you?

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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So do you know the guy?

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Is that true? I don't know that that was for us. Yeah, I don't know if that was for us or not. I guarantee it was for you. I mean, I don't know about the blueberry saison part, but I mean, so if you know that we know the guys are true. So I'm a brewer at Atlas Brew Works in D.C. and we're a heavy metal brewery. And we were at the first gestable magazine metal and beer fest pour and beer. And so earlier when I was saying, look at my hoodie in the Hail Satan Worship Doom hoodie from Bong Repair.

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because we made a beer, Hail, Saint, Worship, Doom. Anyway, True was there. I have a pretty good friendship with the guys at True. I can guarantee you Worship the Void beer was for you guys. Oh, hell yeah. That's awesome. That's super awesome. I guess from your reaction, they did not contact you or anything. I stopped in there last year and had a drink. It came up that I was in the band. They said they'd play.

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in there. But yeah, I didn't know they were making a beer. That's fucking awesome. You'd think they would say something, you know? But it also seemed like a hell of a coink-a-dink. Yeah, I thought it was a coincidence. No, there's no way. I mean, they, your Temple of Void, the Death Doom aspect is right in the wheelhouse. So the head brewer at True, Zach, he is in, he's the drummer for Chemist. Oh, okay. Yeah, I dig those, yeah. Yeah, so like there's,

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Yeah. Trust me. It's not a coincidence. Cool. Actually, one of the guys at Dragon Meat is a pretty big Temple of Voids fan. I happen to run into that guy occasionally at shows. Yeah, he's a brewer over there. He's pretty cool. His name's Jason as well, incidentally. Yeah, super cool guy. Obviously. So have you guys, do you know of any brewery, meadery,

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whatever winery that's kind of made a tribute beer to you guys have you had an official beer made for you no i and yeah i i don't know one time uh when uh acid witch was on tour in europe they had a beer that they made like acid witch labels for but i don't think it was like specifically brewed for us i think it's just something that the venue did i'm trying to recall the venue right now is

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I can't think of it right now. Oh, it was called Dino's Bar and Grill. Nice. It was actually really sick. They had all these portraits of guys that were just dead rock and roll stars. Like Phil Lanotte, obviously, Dino's Bar and Grill. But they had everybody on there. They had Randy Rhoads. They had Janie Lane from Warren. But they were phenomenally done. It was a really cool place.

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do for bands that came through and played. They would do the house beer, but they would like print off like unique labels for everybody. That was something I could say about doing it, you know, and have beer, anything that I've ever done creatively, you know. Speaking of venues, what are the good metal places to play in Michigan now? I haven't been there in a while. I've been to like Harpo's and... Yeah, I was just going to say we're kind of, there's a bit of a buzz happening. There was a...

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There was a long-running bar called the Corktown Tavern, which was always my go-to anytime that I would get approached to do a show. Like if a touring band or somebody kind of came through and contacted me, it was kind of my go-to thing. I knew the guys. They were really super cool. They gave 100% of the door to the band, yada, yada, yada. Just an overall, it was a punk bar, and it was real low-key. Our new guitar player, Don, would run sound there. I mean, it was real in-house. It was real intimate. And that recently got bought out by...

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by some suburban guys who are going to turn it into an EDM bar now. So now there's this big boycott of that happening. A huge boycott. Yeah, and then there was another club called UFO that got, there was a construction incident where they were demolishing a building next door and accidentally did substantial foundational damage. Oh, man. So then we lost that bar. But there's still other places.

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Like there's New Dodge and Hamtramck. There's Smalls and Hamtramck. Hamtramck now just kind of seems like it's the little pocket where all the metal clubs are. You know, there's still bands that come through like some of the semi-bigger places like St. Andrews. St. Andrews. Yeah. And then there's, you know, the Magic Stick tried to do the EDM thing as well, and I guess it was a pretty bad failure. So now it went back to being predominantly a rock.

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So we lost some pretty big bars, but there's still some stuff that all isn't lost.

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You can still book around the place.

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You have a token.

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The token lounge in Westland.

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I remember that.

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Yeah.

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So Mike, I was just listening to you talk for a while.

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It's pretty amazing.

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You have a very heavy Michigan accent.

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It does not come out when you're singing.

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Really?

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Oh, man.

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I never noticed that I had a very heavy Michigan accent.

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I didn't either.

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When I moved, I'm in Maryland now, but I grew up in Michigan. And when I met my wife, she said that I had a Michigan accent. And I'm like, what the heck is a Michigan accent? I never even knew there was such a thing until I left. What do you guys call a water fountain? Water fountain? Or like where you drink water? Oh, a drinking fountain? In Wisconsin, I'm from Wisconsin, they called it a bubbler. And the first time I asked a teacher when we moved where a bubbler was, she was like, what the fuck?

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What are you talking about? Get this creepy kid out of here. Sounds like a bong. I'm from the Philly area and I call it a water fountain. Yeah, water ices. Yeah, water ices. You've sort of shed that a little bit though because I lived in Jersey for a couple years. I know the whole water thing. Yeah. Yeah, you got the wah-wahs out there. Oh, wah-wah. What's funny is in the D.C. area you have wah-wah, but it's

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only in certain areas, because where John and I live, it's heavy 7-Eleven.

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No Wawa's.

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But you go to different parts of Virginia, Maryland, and DC.

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We're not DC, but you get Wawa.

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Wawa's great.

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Yeah.

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So you guys are thinking about doing another tour next year? Early next year? Couple months?

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We have a lot to talk about as a band because we've got a lot of opportunities that we've got to figure out what we're going to do. There's a couple big fests that we can't talk about because they haven't been announced yet, but they're going to take us further afield. It's still within North America, but certainly going to take us further afield to places that we haven't been before. And because we're going to do that, we need to book some shows around those fests.

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There are not that many fests in this country. So you don't have to say much more. We can kind of extrapolate. I'm thinking one of them might be out by those guys and one of them might be out by me. Yeah. No, it's not. MDF's already been announced. Well, yeah, you guys played that last year, right? George, that would be next year. We played the pre-fest this year. That was the Thursday night? Yeah, that was a lot of fun.

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Yeah, that was cool. We're not playing MDF next year. But anyway, I mean, not to get... We can't see whether... They're going to take us to places... They're going to be announced soon, I imagine. Like, they asked for the logo for the one so they can do a flyer. It's going to take us to places we haven't been before. We've got to book some shows around that. And then we have a lot of contacts now that we've actively looked for it on... I mean, just throughout the U.S. that we want to start booking. But we have to figure out amongst ourselves and say how much time do we have off work? What's a good time?

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How many dates can we string together? Yeah, just coordinate the stuff. And then can we tell them about the show at Bob's Shed? So I have a statement and then a follow-up question of what you just mentioned. So one, I know we've talked about if you guys do come to the D.C. area, please play the brewery at Atlas. Please. Please. Free beer. Sounds good. You haven't had their beer yet, though, have you?

00:41:34.420 --> 00:41:34.680
So yeah,

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don't clap.

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Whoa,

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whoa,

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whoa,

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whoa,

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whoa.

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And,

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uh,

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he said free beer,

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George.

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Yeah,

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that means it's great.

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I'll take free good beer.

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I'm not,

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I drink the cheapest swill probably in the band.

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I'm like a black label hams and old style.

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You're making me think of college right there.

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So,

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uh,

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so you guys didn't mention that you need,

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you know,

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coordinate stuff and get off work.

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Like if you guys want,

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like,

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So what do you do full-time? Like for a job, for a living? If you want to say, if you don't, then... And I wouldn't... Is it lift weights? These are all like built, man. That would be awesome. Well, Brent does get paid to lift weights because he's a fireman. So he's taking cats out of trees and lifting weights. I mean... I'm a registered nurse. Oh, right on. Tell him what you do, though. He's a nurse.

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I work in endoscopy, so if you need a colonoscopy... You're our guy. All right, cool. Good to know. No, I just turned 45. I've never had one. Actually, I'll give you a call, Jason. I already had mine. I'm good for a while. I look like he's pointing right at... Yeah, I highly recommend it. That's a pretty big forearm. I don't know. Actually, I'm your guy. I'm turning 50 pretty soon, so... So let's see. We got a fireman and a nurse. Michael?

00:42:59.740 --> 00:43:29.620
I work for the public school systems. I'm one of the heads of behavior support for a center-based program for students with autism spectrum disorder. So yeah, I work at a school and I basically work directly with our behavior coordinator kind of handling behaviors throughout the school and like setting up behavior plans and like coordinating things for students like with their individualized plans of service and kind of doing that.

00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:52.260
stuff and then we also administer like trainings like we have to do things like nonviolent crisis prevention it's really hard to describe he's a teacher yeah essentially yeah you guys all do such like good things civil good sir you know helping people out kind of stuff there's at least one song from sesame street that that mentions all of the jobs so far

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I might be the odd duck. I'm a creative director. So I don't necessarily help out anyone in a civic fashion. You're so selfish. It's always fun, dude. In every group, there's one guy. I have to say. Honestly, if it wasn't for Alex, we wouldn't be talking to you guys. Yeah, to be perfectly honest. And with Brent, too. Brent and Alex are like the machines behind this band. We just, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we

00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:52.280
just reap the benefits and you know take all the glory they need the uh these two talentless losers so brent um i don't know if you know but uh john and i here uh the two of us we have a personal connection with you oh what's that you wrote us handwritten

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letters. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's Brent, man. That's the DIY. Old school. Yeah. So we're just curious. I mean, we like to think that John and I are special. That when we order stuff through Bandcamp, that you just thought, like, of the two most biggest losers in the world, that you need to send us a personal handwritten letter. Honestly, we appreciate pretty much, we definitely appreciate anyone that orders our stuff.

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We do not take it for granted. So, fucking, yeah, you're special. We appreciate it. I work with a lot of special people. And I'm really feeling good about myself right now. No, but Brent, seriously, do you do that for like every order that comes through like any, either your bank camp or Facebook or whatever? I'm just going to have to now that you said that. Yeah. Because we actually do appreciate every bit of support we get. We don't take it.

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It means a lot to us. Whenever anyone has a kind word or spends money on us, comes to see us, it's pretty important to us. Yeah, it's that kickback. It's the little bit of extra effort to show people that you do actually care and appreciate them. I mean, bar none, that is probably the most important. I mean, your bass playing is fantastic. Masterful Saturday, according to some. But you're a masterful.

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The Bedmanship, exactly. Was that part of the band's tryout? To show the band's appreciation to everybody, every single purchase, every single thing that goes out in the mail, that is, I really, really feel that that is the grassroots thing that keeps bands in the underground going. Yeah. I can imagine names from Facebook that email us or order stuff from us, or at least I do. And, I mean, we truly do care.

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And it truly does mean a lot to us. That's awesome. When we started the band, like Eric and I, the guitarist who's no longer in the band, we were the first two, right? We thought about it. And when it came to putting the band together, I said, I want Brent to play bass. And I think Eric had in his mind, you know, we'd have all these virtuosos and we'd pick the best. There it is.

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the best whatever when it came to you know writing but i'm like or you know or my or our technicality but i'm like there's more to being in a band than being able to play x bpm you know or you know you know what i mean so i'm like brent bring something that's beyond just playing all these runs and scales and you know five finger tapping i'm no geezer but yeah he doesn't do that but it doesn't matter because he brings a different aspect to the band that's more important

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than being technically proficient.

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You know, and I bring it up because both John and I very much appreciate it.

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And we both talk to each other.

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So I know anyone listening, they can't see this.

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But here is my handwritten letter or note from Brent after I ordered something.

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And I was like, wow, because I think John got something first.

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And then I was like, are you kidding me?

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Like, really?

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And then there's only one other band that has done that.

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And it was Immortal Bird.

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Yeah.

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that did the handwritten, it was on kitty cat stationary, which is super funny too. Got some stuff from Wilderness King too. Yeah, Trollfest did that too. I ordered a Trollfest record once and they sent me a bunch of signed shit that I didn't ask for, which was awesome. Yeah, I can't stress that. I am picturing a bass audition in which you're like, don't pick up the bass so fast. What's your social media skills like? Write this down, the quick sly fox. You know what I mean?

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Yeah, I was going to say, Mr. Condescending over here. Brent, I think that your bass playing is more than satisfactory. I think that you go above and beyond in our PR, and I think you go above and beyond in your duties as our basses. Thank you. I can't stress enough how good a thing that is to do, because as a consumer of music, when you get something like that that you don't get from other, you know, Metallica's not going to do that for me.

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So when you get something like that, you already like the band enough to pick up the music or the shirt or whatever it was. But when the band actually takes a few minutes and pays attention to you personally and does something like that, it just endears you to the band even more. So I think that's a really smart thing to do. I remember when people order from us a second time, third time, I remember that stuff and I make note of it. Speaking of which, so I just ordered my first record player.

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And are you going to reissue the vinyl? Yeah. Vinyl of Terror? Either one. Because I saw, well, on Bandcamp it seemed like it was sold out. We don't do vinyl much through our Bandcamp. It's kind of a hassle. It's fine. Sometimes people are very particular if it comes dinged up and stuff. That's why something we haven't gotten into, but Shadow Kingdom has Lords of Death in the second pressing right now. I mean, it's not out yet.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Of terror. Most people don't know it. I think it's still available. There was. I don't know. I don't know. So. Well, we need available on our show. I would love to get a remix of terror just because. Yeah. Oh, we've already covered this, dude. I was in like fan practice before this. I just noticed that's a Celtic Frost shirt. They were saying how the drums are so bad on the first albums that they need to remix them. Yeah.

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We're gonna take him down in the mix. Oh my god, I was so bad, man. Or use my groove box instead. Actually, let's talk about the Celtic Frost shirt for a minute. Martin A died recently. Yeah. Yeah, I was bummed us out. Big time. Fragic. Way too young. Way too young to be gone. He was not an old man. I think he was a key spiritual portion of that band. Oh, absolutely. I mean, even though they may not exist anymore, as such, it's a shame. But it's nice to know you're a fan, because we got a lot of big fans here on the show.

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Have you guys heard our cover? No, what is it? Oh, yeah. You can actually, well, you can YouTube it. We do Oz Abismi Valda off of Monasius. Oh, bless your heart, man, for picking something off that record. I'm not joking, because I love the old stuff. God, that record's so good. Yeah, and if you message me, remind me, I can send you the MP3. I'm doing it soon. Well, if these guys have your contact. But, dude, that's a great song, too. I know that record back. I've listened to that record.

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so many times. Did you catch them on that tour by any chance? Wait, what was that? You saw them on that tour, didn't you? I saw them on that tour, yes. They were awesome on that tour. Yeah, they killed it, yeah. We did a Celtic Frost comp, and when it came to choosing it, again, Eric was really big on doing something off Morbid Tales, and I was like, everyone's going to do something off Morbid Tales, you know? And that's not what TOV sounds like. Yeah, and what fits the band best.

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Monotheist is just way more aligned with TOV sound, especially during Oterran Supernatural. And I thought, oh, we could kill that, you know, that track. And it was a lot of fun to do. It's a killer song. And you only need so many covers of Dethroned Emperor, you know what I mean? Well, that's what we were saying. It's like, you know, somebody's going to do Dethroned Emperor, you know, that procreation of the wicked. Oh, you know, I was like, what you could do is dance with it. Yeah, nobody did that. Maybe everyone thought everyone's going to do it. Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah. Or you could have even more obscure. You could have done dance macabre, which would have been wicked. Yeah. Yeah. You know, that thing on the morbid tails. That would have been awesome. Well, that's cool that you guys did that, though. Warms my heart. So a question for you guys. Do you guys describe or follow decibel magazine? Yeah. Yep. Brent and I are both subscribers. Do you do you notice their top 40 for 2017?

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and number one. I don't remember what number one was. We actually haven't received it in the mail. Oh, Paradise Lost. Yeah, Paradise Lost, which I think I read that's a pretty big influence for you guys. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Shit, I got Lost Paradise in the stereo. Yeah. So did you guys like the new one? It's not album of the year. I mean, no, it's not. I haven't heard it yet, but I'm also like a super busy guy and I haven't checked out all half the shit that I probably should have this year.

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One thing that I was, I think a couple of us were completely shocked by, you guys, Temple of Void did not make the list. We're not on the list, yeah. We noticed that too. But apparently Albert Mudger in the editor said that you guys just missed it. So we're 41? Yeah. He said it on his Facebook page.

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I specifically asked him, like, how was Temple of Void not on here? And his response was, just Mr.

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Yeah, what were some of those bands that really did that? Propagandy.

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Yeah, like, what the? Yeah, okay, so let's put that on there instead. Or, uh, there was another one that I, I mean. Integrity, but not like a metal band.

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Integrity making number five? I don't have to listen to that record to know that it's not the best record.

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I like the new, I like all the mere core, but this new album is not metal and doesn't, therefore doesn't belong on the list.

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So, just saying. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. It would have been great, but that doesn't... I'm not going to lie. I don't really read much metal publications. I'm kind of, I kind of like my closed off circle of influence that I have. So, I kind of perused the list, you know, just because I saw it kind of in my Facebook feed or whatever. But, yeah, I really don't know what made it and what didn't make it. And there's a lot of stuff on there, like I said, that I haven't even gotten around to checking out.

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Well, just to be clear, you guys didn't make. I was aware of that. Personally, I don't really care. I don't make music so that somebody else likes it. I make stuff that creatively satisfies myself. And if other people like it, it goes back to Brent. We're all super appreciative of anybody that takes the time or is willing to give us some sort of money.

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to receive something that we made. I think that that's super important. Because ultimately, like I said, music for me has always been a very self-indulgent thing. I make things that I like. I make things that I think are creatively satisfying for me. And if somebody else digs it, it's a super huge bonus. And it's a huge thing where it's like, well, thank you very much. I really appreciate it. And everybody that orders it, Brent makes sure that we go that extra mile to let them know that.

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So, you know, if we don't make a top 40, whatever. I guess our point was that we collectively thought it was a fucking crime that it wasn't on there. But I will say that. Like Brent just said, it makes it better that you guys feel that way. And we do come up with our own year-end list. The four of us collectively come up with separate lists, and then there's a

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and I'm pretty sure there's a pretty good chance. Might be on a couple of lists. Did you guys see the top 10 that I posted on our Facebook? It got a lot of responses. A lot of people were posting stuff, but I posted my top 10. I was going to ask if you guys had any, like, you know, particularly albums that you like from this year. Most bands we talk to are so wrapped up in doing music that they're like, I'm just listening to this

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But when I saw the Decibel Top 40, well, you've got to put it in context. It's not a top 40 for a death mill, right? I mean, they cover so many genres. Things like Propaganda get in there. And, you know, I mean, they put L7 and Living Color in, like, the Hall of Fame and stuff like that. And failure. Yeah, South Garden, yeah. Yeah, that are really outside. So it's going to be a very,

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the varied top 40. And when I looked at my top 10, or yeah, I think I posted top 10, I was like, oh, so many of these didn't even get mentioned whatsoever. So not being on it, we're in good company of bands that I thought, oh my God, it's crazy that I'm not even mentioned. So Alex, what were, if you could take it off the top of your head, what were some of your top 10? I'll tell you, I got it right here in front of you. Yeah, I'm looking at it right now. There's a few here that we don't know, or at least I don't know, but here's some of the ones I know we agree with. The Black Anvil, Craven Idol,

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I like that record a lot that's in consideration for my list the over interesting not not a bad choice

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I'm digging that one you had the venerum on there too which I think is awesome oh yeah yeah yeah

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it was between venenum and blasphemer to for my number one and I just edged out

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just to the number one spot just because i feel like the overall flow is an amazing flow from beginning to end and no one really manages to do that conceptually tie an entire album together the same way that they do i think but the last from her was incredible an absolutely amazing record that i don't know yeah no one really knows about but marcus um who used to be in hood menace told me about them they played with them last year i think in england

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And they were from the early 90s, but they never recorded until this year. So it's essentially a time capsule of early 90s British death metal that finally got recorded in 2017. And it totally sounds like Benediction, Cancer, Bolt Thrower, Carcass. I gotta check it out then. It is so freaking amazing. I mean, if you like Benediction, Cancer, it's just straight up right up that alley. It's super good.

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You know, out of the corner of your eye, too, and I thought this before we spoke, but it just suddenly came up. The color palette of the Craven Idol out of the corner of your eye looks very much like your new record. It's got a really cool cover on it. Yeah, it's a cool record. And it's good that that got props in Decibel. That was when I was like, oh, at least Craven Idol was in there. But it was weird that my number three pick, I think. That was the name of my Billy. It was Undergang. That record was fricking.

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I was surprised that didn't make it. What are you going to do? Oh, that Spirit of Drift record is awesome. That was number two, and that record is really freaking good. My only issue with, I think, and this may be something that retrospectively I changed my mind on, but I love the music. The vocals for me are just a little off. There's a couple times. Spirit of Drift.

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almost like radio to radio ish to me um like to like sing-songy and not soulful enough but

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there's enough of it for me that sounds more like you know Soundgarden Alice in Chains has more of that

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kind of grungier vibe that I kind of latch on to those moments more than a couple times where he gets a bit too like you know sweet sounding yeah and I will I'll be the first one to admit that like everyone was raving about chemists for a

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a long time. And it wasn't until I really saw them live, it was at the first annual Decimal Medal and Beer Fest, that it just completely changed my whole perspective. And it was amazing to see those guys live. Same for me, too. Yeah, and I feel like if I saw Spirit Drift live, that it would just... I feel it's in that same vein. That's where Chemist was for me last year. It was like, ah, you know, they're good, I like it, but I'm not that into it. And then when I saw them live, I was like, wow, that was amazing.

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Sometimes that makes or breaks it. I've seen plenty of bands that I've seen where I'm just on recording. I'm like, oh, this is cool. I mean, this isn't really treading new territory. This isn't whatever. And then you go and you see it live and it really impacts you. And it's just sort of like, OK, this is where the band really shines. Yeah, it was interesting because I'm a pretty big Paul Bearer fan and I did not like the new album all that much. I should say I liked it, just it wasn't foundations of burden to me.

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But when I saw them play live in D.C. here at the Rock and Roll Hotel, and they played the new songs live, completely changed my perspective of the album. Do you guys have that? I don't have the new one. Those guys are really cool, though. I agree. The new one didn't blow me away. But I haven't seen them live in four years. I don't even have a second one. I like the first one. It seems like every time they come to town, like come to Detroit, I'm always on the road.

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So I always like have that like slightly missed opportunity to catch them but

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I've caught them a couple times I had the pleasure of playing with them with another band that I do so it was they're really cool dudes and they're I can totally agree with you on them in a live setting like really really awesome I really dug that love you to death cover that they did I thought that was pretty cool too

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Oh the EP with all the covers on it? Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of which you guys talk about other bands and stuff

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Are you guys friends? Are you close friends with other bands? Aside from other bands that you guys are in, like in the Detroit area, are you guys, like is there other bands out there in the Detroit area that you're like, hey, people really need to check these guys out? There's a ton. Oh yeah. Great scene. Dude, Detroit, I will champion this till the day I die. We are so privileged to be part of this scene. There is so much awesome, like there's just so much awesome shit coming from this area.

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and so many underrated bands that people don't even know about and things like that. If you give me a second to kind of... Yes, please do. Give us a few. That's why I'm asking. Probably myself and two of my best friends, we do a record label around here called Dystopian Dogs. Super DIY. Like we were talking about with Brent doing the handwritten letters. It's the same ethos. It's the same. It harkens back to like old school heavy metal. Not exactly tape trading and things like that, but I mean, we do a lot of trading with South

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I mean,

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and I mean I could literally go on and on about how many awesome bands that there are here in the Detroit area that are doing cool shit and doing shit that just isn't cookie cutter isn't just some easily pigeonholed like oh well this is this or this is you know oh well these guys sound just like this other band that existed 10 years ago or 20 years ago it's a lot of like okay well here's a lot of cool influences but it's still like it's kind of own unique thing and yeah like I said with

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We try and put out as much local stuff in the Michigan underground as we can. So, you know, I mean, if you go and you check out that stuff, you'll probably find a lot of cool shit. Like we did the Sekusu demo. We did a tape edition of Demon Bitches Hell Friends record. We put out all shit because we all play in bands together. These are guys that I used to be in a band called Borrow Time with, like which was all traditional heavy metal and Harbinger. You know,

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It's all shit that we've done with the label. Just trying to showcase this and trade with the world and bring cool obscure shit from the rest of the world and bring it here to Michigan for people that or even just the United States for people that want to be able to buy it and understand it or find it. You know, shit that's hard to find. That's awesome. So yeah, I mean, there's there's so much cool shit that's happening in Michigan. I'm really, really immensely proud to be a part of this a part of this state. That's awesome, man. We always like hearing about like bands just being

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is selfish with the promotion of other bands. Yeah, we always like to hear what the bands that we like listen to, and particularly in their scene. Because, I mean... Get drunk. Have you heard Nightkin? No. Me personally. I don't know. They don't do much, but they're fucking awesome. Nightkin, they're a Detroit death metal band. They're on Corpse Flower Records. Yeah, that's Zach Gibson that used to be in Black Dolly and Murder back in the day. He's in a really killer... Are you guys into Grind at all?

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Yeah.

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He plays in a band called Shit Life right now.

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We're fucking awesome.

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It's very like I saw that.

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I think I did too.

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Yeah.

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It's pretty phobia ask like kind of like a little more high production grind.

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But oh my God, the riffs are really good.

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Isn't there like a shit life and a shit fucker from DC or from my boys?

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I mean, two of the dudes in acid witch are in shit fucker.

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Guys from nuke are in shit fucker who I also play in.

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I mean, those guys are my boys.

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So Mike, how the fuck do you have time?

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to have a full-time job.

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And you have 17 bands, and you're running a record label.

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Yeah.

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I don't.

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It's a lot of robbing Peter to pay Paul.

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It's a lot of fucking stress.

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It's a lot of being on the cusp of nervous breakdown.

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Well, maybe that's a bit of an exaggeration.

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But it is very, very mentally taxing.

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And it's very, very hard to keep things together.

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But it's one of those things where it's like, if I don't do it, what else?

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What other fucking purpose do I have to be here? It really, really is. I mean, it's a labor of love, and I'm okay with that. I play in some bands, too. And I'm stretched thin, but it's what we've been doing since the beginning of this, brother. Of playing music, you know? Yeah. You have to play. Yeah. I don't know what we're doing right now, but we're done. No, seriously, we're from the Midwest.

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It is so fucking boring. Well, it's not necessarily boring. There's a lot of cool shit. But as far as like things, you're trapped in the armpit of America right now. No, Michigan does rule, but you're trapped in the armpit of America. Most touring bands don't want to fucking come up here because you can't fucking get through to Windsor half the time. And there's no like straight path to Buffalo. You have to basically go up to go come back down. So it's like a lot of shows skip over Michigan, or at least that's how it was for a long time. And you got to fucking do this shit for yourself.

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make your own network and you make your own scene and you do a lot of cool shit like that and yeah yeah have you guys gone have you played in canada like is it i know it's so close windsor's right there but like is it giant between the ass all the visas and everything we're playing in two weeks we're playing oh cool doing a headlining gig um looking we're cool mold super excited with here true mold yeah yeah by the way i have a bone to pick with you guys uh oh

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Yeah.

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days going to the west or going to the east coast you know doing we have contacts you know in dc and

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maryland in north carolina uh you know philly like we can do pittsburgh we can make it out there do some

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east coast gigs you know new york and then and head back so um yeah you'll you'll see us next year for

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All right, well, at least we have to now. I think I got like one more question I wanted to ask. This one's for Mike, or I guess for all of you, but you did clean singing on one, from what I can tell, just the one song, Graven Desires. So is that,

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Is that something you're gonna do more? Is it just, it just felt right in that one particular song for that one particular verse? Is your next album gonna be Opeth's Heritage album? I think it's more the latter of what you were saying. It felt right. It was one of those things where a lot of the stuff on Lords of Death was penned by Alex and kind of presented to me as a complete song. And listening to it, it had such a strong Catatonia vibe.

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And it was one of those things. And there's also the situation where death metal is really, really popular right now. Like there is a lot of death metal happening right now. It's almost at the point where it's a bit of an oversaturation in the market. And it's one of those things where you have to kind of always keep in mind where it's like, okay, well, what can we do that will still kind of push the envelope? What can we do that'll kind of shake things up a bit? What can we do? And it was just one of those things where it's like,

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I'm not a singer, but I mean, at least not tone deaf. So it's one of those things where it's like, okay, fuck it, I'll take a stab at it. Took a couple shots and there it was. I kind of penned the part. I knew what I was going to do. I knew where it was going to go. And it's also kind of putting out feelers because it's like, okay, well, we'll see how people respond to it. If people like it, sure. Well, maybe we'll tackle it a little more.

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We hadn't heard it until he was in the vocal booth when we were recording the record. That was really our first time being in the booth and listening to him do it. And we were pretty stoked when we heard it. We were like, yeah, it's cool. Yeah, and it's definitely one of those things where it's like, OK, we'll feel it out. We'll figure it. We'll see how it goes. And they seem to dig it. People who review the album seem to have good. It's been getting good feedback in that regard.

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I mean, I don't think that we're opposed to doing it in the future. I still would predominantly like to remain in the death doom idiom, so to speak. But I think it parts call for it, and it is appropriate. I'm not opposed to doing it further. So my two senses, I think it worked. I think it worked well. My question is, what I didn't notice is that so vocally, when you sing the lyrics, you drag out, there's not a,

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You drag out each word very long. And then so what I noticed is that when you also did the clean vocals, you almost did the exact same thing. And I was wondering, was that a conscious effort? Is that just sort of how that's just your vocal style in general? It's kind of a developing style, to be perfectly honest. Like I said, I've never done a band where, I mean, it was really funny when I got the call from Eric, the former guitar player, to do vocals in the band. I was like, you know,

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I was like, you know, I play guitar, right? You know, but it's also the clean vocal thing. It's like, okay, well, I'm going to do this. I'm not exactly comfortable with doing it. But what am I going to do? Am I going to just be afraid to do it? Or am I going to kind of throw myself out there? So it was, okay, well, I'm going to put myself out there. And as far as the style goes, it's I don't, I don't know if it's a characteristic of the style per se. It's more or less just a figuring it out as I go kind of thing. It's like, okay, well, this seemed to work.

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this is how it fit with the song. These were the lyrics I wrote for the song. This is how they fit in with the way the chord progression was in that particular riff where the clean part should go. I also did notice that the clean part came in when it was more of a happy, if that's even possible in any of your lyrics, but it was a happier part of the song. I think you were talking about the woman at that point. Was that intentional?

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there? It's a lot easier to sing over something that kind of adheres more to a major key composition than it is to do something like death metal. All right, to get in kind of technical terms, death metal is a very chromatic genre. There's a lot of jumping around. It'll stick to, it's a lot of minor, and it's a lot of chromatic riffing, and that's really hard to put melodic vocal lines under, because you're not really, especially in the chromatic parts, it's like you're not adhering to a specific

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key or you're not you're kind of jumping around like could you imagine could you imagine john arch singing for slayer john arch it's like it's just not going to happen like cryonics would be it'd be a catastrophe you know so it's just kind of one of those things where it's like okay here's the part here's where it was appropriate here you know as i was saying before it's like okay clean vocals would definitely work here could i do it let's try it let's all right so these are the lyrics let's figure it out and take a stab at took a couple

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and what you got on the record is kind of what sort of came out in the studio.

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Yeah, I would say out of the four of us here on the podcast, I'm probably the biggest fan of pure death metal.

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And I do have a big problem with a lot of bands.

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It's like, man, you really just, this is a great death metal hour.

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This is a great death metal song.

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It's like, but you really fucked it up with the clean vocals.

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That is not the case with you guys.

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I think the amount that you did and actually

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the tonal and the way that you did it, I think it worked.

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And I endorse it on a limited scale.

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It just occurred to me now.

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We're a death zoom band, first and foremost.

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We're not candle passing.

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That's got to be a sticker on the record.

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I endorse this in a limited scale.

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Some bands can't get away with it.

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I remember when I think it was Damnation in a Day by Cradle of Filth came out and there's one song on there where Danny does clean vocals and I thought that was really cool just because it was something different for them but he got fucking hammered and never did it again but then you've got Cattle Decapitation and he started adding these clean vocals that were really cool clean-ish but they I don't know

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Are you guys fans of the 20 Chants? No. Speaking of the grind thing. We played with them. They were cool. I mean, I have to serve man. I dug Locust stuff back in the day. I thought they were kind of a weird quirky grind band. I got that split with Erebon Radar. I thought it worked well with them, and I was going to sort of liken that to what you did, and that it works well with the style. Thank you. I think vocally the way you did it worked really well. I guess in the overall thing, the way you did it,

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It worked. And there's so many times where I hear it just like, this does not work. What are you guys thinking? But it worked. You mentioned Opeth. And when Michael Ackerfeldt first started putting in the clean vocals into Opeth, it was very sparing. And you looked forward to that part when it would come in. And it was really, the contrast was huge. But then, of course, they went down this rabbit hole and they came out with the last couple of records and they suck.

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Now, you know,

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you know,

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I mean,

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those are great.

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No, no, no.

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It's just,

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that's an ongoing fight.

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I'm a fucking prog nerd too.

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So I'm all about heritage and beyond opeth.

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I think that shit's awesome.

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So the beauty for me is I really don't give a fuck with anybody else.

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Thanks.

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I like them.

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Yeah.

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I mean,

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John,

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John is our prog nerd,

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but yeah,

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what I was saying though,

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is when the first started doing it,

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he did it in the same way that Mike did it.

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He just put a little bit in and it made a much bigger impact. Less was a lot more. So whether or not you like the later stuff, that's up to you. But also in the broader sense, now the whole genre has kind of that mixed bag. The way you just described it in Opens is the way it's happened across the genre, I think, in a lot of ways. The people have embraced that. It's become more and more and more and more. It's funny you bring that up because when they did To Bid You Farewell off of Morning Rise, Mike said he got

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I think it's one of the best songs I've ever written.

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He got killed because he didn't have harsh vocals.

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I'm thinking, how do you have harsh vocals in a song that doesn't do anything in terms of heaviness until nine minutes in out of 12?

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All right, guys. What do you think?

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Thank you. I think that was one of our longest interviews ever.

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Thank you guys for having us.

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Sometimes we get a little spiritual connection to a band.

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I'm feeling like Temple of the Void is one of our official bands now.

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Yeah. This has been a huge

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huge geek out moment for me, guys.

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Because I'm a big fan.

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Death Doom is like, I love Death,

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and I love Doom, and Death Doom is sort of like

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my sweet spot. Chocolate and peanut butter.

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Yeah. You guys are my peanut

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butter and chocolate.

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He's been very concerned. We've had a lot of

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technical issues lately, and he's

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been very concerned that I get this

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shit right for you guys coming on, so

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we've been lucky.

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All right, why don't we get into the news? Our first news item, I'm going to kick over to Jay. Yeah, I'll be brief. I just had the good fortune to go to one of Bruce Dickinson's book signings out here in the Bay Area. You guys may know, he has a book that just came out called,

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What does this button do? And he was prompted to write this book by that cancer experience he went through recently. So he did a book tour around the United States and just it was awesome, man. It was like it was in a small bookstore. They could only fit about 200 people in there. You had to buy a ticket in advance to do it. I got a signed book out of it, but he was so busy that I mean it was that he had to catch a plane or something. So there was like no real talking to him, talking to him. But he just did a what he did was basically did a PowerPoint presentation and he showed the pictures from the book and then told the stories.

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behind the pictures. And there's all kinds of pictures from Maiden and pre-Maiden and so on and so forth. And then I got a couple signed books out of it. Send one off to George. He was funny. I didn't realize how close to death he was with his cancer experience. That was pretty touch and go there towards the end. Yeah, like it really, he almost, we almost lost Bruce. And that's what prompted him to write the book. So that's it. I'll leave it at that. It was, he's already done with the United States tour. So you won't have a chance to do it if you didn't take your

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But it was a thrill to be so close to the man, as it were. So I did read the book. And when it got to that portion at the end, when he's talking about cancer. No, no. I'm just kidding. Spoiler alert. I mean, yeah, yeah. No, dude, go ahead. I don't really, I haven't experienced what, I've never had cancer, so I've never had chemo, you know. And I haven't had, thankfully, any of

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like close friends who have went through that but reading his you know depiction of what it was like going

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through chemo it sounded awful i mean just it's his explanation just takes it to a whole other

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level it's very visceral it's yeah up to an including taking his first shit afterwards which is a story he told

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that was the way he closed up the book signing he kind of read that piece and then told the story

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And he was, you know what, I'm telling you, he was already a great guy, but this added this weird level of humanity to him. You could see how humbled he felt by this experience. And also how positive, he, there was no crybaby stuff or anything like that. It was just what you'd expect from Bruce. It was just like, yeah, man, that shit fucked me up. You know what I mean? And then on we go. What's next? You know what I mean? He, he, he's, he's a treasure, man. He really is. I love Bruce. And I haven't got to the book yet because I'm reading something else right now. Oh, I mean, it's a great book, but I just

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I just want to talk about the hideously foreshortened photograph of him on the cover yeah like it looks awful I can't believe of all the photographs ever taken from Bruce he's like that's the one with his big hairy arms looking like it's ridiculous it's like a book by somebody from CBS this morning or something it's a picture for for a metal guy for one thing I always like Bruce Dickinson I

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I like Bruce Dickinson. He's a positive force in heavy metal, and I feel like there's not enough of that. Oh, yeah, there it is. That's a bad picture. Yeah, that's probably not the best photo. That's a sweet picture. Yeah, the back photo. Yeah, the back. I feel like it's because he's squatting. That's awesome. That's Bruce. He is a positive force. And I can only just say this. His presence in person was just the same. You could just see the positivity on this guy. But he's also one of those guys that, you know, like we were allowed

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to write questions on pieces of paper. And I did. And he read my question. He read everybody's question. He did like a speed round. But it occurred to me that he has. What was your question? What are you doing later, big boy? Who's your daddy and what does he do? I read it was about William Blake because I'm a big fan of his chemical wedding record, which is all based on the poems of William Blake. And I happen to know a little bit about William Blake. So but he just he's he didn't have time to go into it. He just suggested a book to read about William Blake. But anyway, he.

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I can say this also he's been so famous for so long there's you could never have a meaningful conversation with Bruce because he's everybody in the world has told him how great he is you know what I mean and I'm not picking on Bruce I'm just saying I just realized this guy is like an icon status now you know there's it was oh absolutely no don't get me wrong I just I guess all I mean to say is that he's he's been at this for so long now that there's no way I could make an impression on Bruce Oh you like my music what a surprise

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It was cool to be around this icon of that stature, especially because Number of the Beast was one of the first and most important metal. You could probably get arrested, but you could probably think of some things to make it a special. So it was a real treat, and I've actually had the good fortune to meet a couple of the other guys in Maiden, but I've never been so close to Bruce in person, so it was great. It was great. I've never met anybody in Maiden. I'm super jealous. That's awesome. So not everybody has been as lucky as Bruce.

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It's actually quite a few dead people recently. One that I forgot to put on the list and is a big deal. Just one month ago today, Jonathan Rossi of Pilgrim died. And that... That was great. Yeah, that fucking sucked. I've been like waiting for the new album from them. Me too. And we already mentioned Martin Ayn. And two of the three young brothers, Malcolm Young and George Young, both died within the last month.

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Fish. I heard about that. Well, I mean, Malcolm Young's everywhere, but yeah, both of them died. That's crazy. And of course, Chuck Mosley from Faith No More died at 57 of a suspected heroin overdose. That sucks. Yeah, well, I mean, Martin is the great loss there, but above and beyond that, of course, in the icon sense, Malcolm Young, that's a huge loss. I mean, he was gone already.

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He'd gone into dementia. Unfortunately, I'd seen this picture of him. Somebody did snap one of the last public photos of him, and he looked like he had dementia. He just looked bewildered. He was out with some helper or something. Yeah, well, he was out of the band for a while at that point. Yeah, a couple years. He'd been out for a couple years. I've actually been on an ACDC kick because of it. It's just like, okay, going back and revisiting. I mean, what a quintessential rock band. Especially Bon Scott era for me,

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I love that shit. If you want blood, you got it. One of my favorite live albums, like Whole Lotta Rosie. God, that song. Whole Lotta Rosie. I've written so good on that album. It's so much better than the studio version. I can watch that Live in Paris movie over and over and over, man. It's basically roughly the If You Got Blood set. It's not that show. But it's when Angus was still like Angus, you know what I mean? Like a maniac. I mean, people thought they were a punk fan.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And nonstop letting the cat out of the bag here. That also inspired our list for this week, which we'll be doing the top 10 songs from ACDC. Yeah. Normally we do like top three, top five. We were like five isn't going to cut it. Ten is going to have to be 10. I'm surprised you don't want to go to 40. Hey, George, I could do it. We could have, we could have done 40. Easily. All right. So, you know, one of the big things in the news lately is that

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is pretty much everybody that's ever been anybody has been getting accused of sexual harassment. And... Where's this going? The next news item... Well, Will grabbed me in five minutes ago. Well, I was a little surprised and I thought it was ironic that Gene Simmons commended women for finally opening up about their experiences with sexual harassment.

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And I read that and I looked over at my wife and I said, you know, that now people are going to come out and jump on his ass. And unsurprisingly, they did. And now he's getting, you know, accused of things as well. I was like, dude, don't stick your head up. You're going to get it chopped off. So I've got a question for you guys. What did you think about Morrissey's statement to Der Spiegel? I did not hear that.

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Well, I guess I don't really want to... If I paraphrase it, then I'm only paraphrasing. But people were giving him shit. Essentially, a lot of women were giving him shit for it too. But essentially he was saying we should look at all these accusers in context. It's really what he was saying at the end of it. And rape is not the same as some of the other things that people have been accused of doing.

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And that's essentially what he was saying. You know, like if you masturbate in front of somebody in a room, that is different from raping someone. See, I told you, George, you can't do that. Yeah, now I know. Okay, sorry. Now I know. Don't do that. Got it. And the other thing he was saying was, he's like, sometimes the, and he said essentially so-called victims are really just disappointed at the outcome of what happened. Now, he's not talking about rape. He goes to say, you know,

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is horrible, blah, blah, blah, sexual assault is horrible. But he's like, in the instances where someone hooks up with somebody and then they don't get maybe what they expected out of this encounter, it's only then after the fact that they... And maybe that's what happened to Decapitated. Maybe. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, like, who knows? But he got under a lot of fire for making these comments, and that's why, just don't take my word for it, you should read what he said about it to get...

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The way he obviously articulated it was more, you know, was better than how I just said it. But that was like nuts and bolts of it. And I agreed with actually everything that he said. But I appreciate that he went out and stuck his nuts out there to have an opinion that was controversial when it comes to something as, you know, as hot as talking about, you know, sexual abuse.

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It's a hard thing to talk about. And, you know, and I mean, I think what everybody might be on edge about, too, though, is that, I mean, it's gone through Hollywood.

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If it comes to rock and roll, man, it's going to get out of control. I mean, seriously, come on. Yeah, I mean, everybody's known for years. There's a lot of people that are getting already put on blast for it. Well, like the Capita thing. Yeah, and you've got the 60s and 70s people, the David Bowies and the Aerosmith and the people that were like, yeah, man, we just hooked up with a 14-year-old girl. And, you know, it's public knowledge. Why? She was only 17.

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They never, you know, were, nobody ever did anything about that. It's like, ah, it's rock and roll. And you see, you know, you don't see as much of it yet. Anyway, blowing back. And that's what Morris said, too. He's like, if you look at, that's what he said. He's like, if you look at rock and roll, then everyone is going to be guilty of something. So we've got to draw a line between what that something is, because rape is different than, you know, X, Y, and Z. And I was looking at these accusations and some of them, they just really demean the people who get

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when they get lumped in with people who said, so-and-so asked to rub my shoulders. Yeah. I couldn't agree more. That gets counted as the same weight as when he raped somebody. And that just rocks. I'd like to point out, when they did the whole Me Too thing started happening on Facebook, a hashtag Me Too, it said, the way that statement read was, if you've ever been sexually harassed or sexually assaulted, you should put hashtag Me Too. And I was so troubled by

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that because I thought people like my sister-in-law were saying me too and I was like did she did somebody just right there that's two pretty big categories and all and all they were doing was me too and I thought god how many of these poor girls have been raped that was literally a jar of pickles I just passed in front of the thing they're right what's your favorite pickle you got a big pickle

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This is kind of a sticky subject, but I do feel like predatory action should be put on blast. I think that people should know better, and it is kind of astonishing the level of shit that goes on that people don't even realize because people are either A, too afraid to say something or not. But I also believe in the American justice system, and I do believe that people are innocent until proven guilty, and I think that all sides should be considered and options should be to come up with the

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what is decided to be the correct thing. And everything is very situational and contextual. But, you know, it is astonishing the amount of instances that things like this do happen. And I do think that women finding their voice and doing things, I think that that's a positive thing. And that's just the be all end all that I'm going to say on that. Well, I saw a great meme that maybe this can wrap this conversation up. But I saw a meme the other day and it said the 2018 Oscar audience.

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and it was just Meryl Streep in this big empty theater place. Yeah. All right. Well, so on a much lighter note, Alex, when we were doing the Skype test earlier, I mentioned that we had, John and I had another appropriate beer to drink tonight while interviewing you guys. And we have Counterweight Brewing Company from Connecticut and their Void.

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Oatmeal Stout.

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Yep.

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That looks heavy.

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We're going to one-up you, and we just switched over to a nice peanut.

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The label looks kind of badass.

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Oh, it's got a cat on it.

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That's probably why it got purchased, because it has a cat on it.

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That makes sense.

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A phoenix cat.

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Cat's on the internet, man.

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We have a deer on ours, though.

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I tried Diabolical before because it was called Diabolical and it was like six but I just didn't like it but yeah I don't like it's for men Diabolical for men it's got a rabbit on it I just I just cannot wait to come to DC I just want to come to DC all right dude we will in fact in fact if you give me enough heads up notice if there's a particular beer style you guys like we may be able to whip something up

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Super Special for that evening. Wow. Could you make a cider? No. I'm sorry. What did you guys say earlier? Alex drinks. He's European. He drinks three quarters of the beer and then he leaves it and then he walks away and he kicks over and spills it at the practice place. Which is always my house. No, we're a brewery so we don't make cider. But I will say this. I will give a shout out to Brimminghorn Meadery.

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I think they're in Milton, Delaware. As far as I could tell, it's a heavy metal themed meadery. And they made the official mead for incantation called Goat's Blood. That's the best mead I've ever had. It is unbelievable. It's not a cider, it's a mead, but it was unbelievable. It was so good. It was made with grapes, honey, and

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something else. Something like that. It was good. I think I still have one bottle left. We shot our one and only music video in a meadery. Oh, yeah? Yeah, Bee Nectar. Oh, yeah. I make the Star Wars episode 13 or whatever. I've got some pentagram ones sitting on my shelf at home right now. So one of the guys who founded Bee Nectar, who's no longer with them, was my old roommate. Oh, okay. He needed just an empty, desolate, you know, generic background to set up our amps.

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and they were expanding B-Nectar into an adjacent building so they hadn't built it out yet. So it was just, you know, unfinished warehouse looking space. So that's where we set up. But I do like that. You're sort of like we need an empty, desolate space that looks like nobody's in it. Can we come and film at your business? It has to look like nobody's been there in a thousand years. I like what you're insinuating there.

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Moving on. So there's some new albums that are going to be coming out. The first one really excited me because we haven't seen this incarnation of the band in a while. Corrosion of Conformity is going to be releasing their new album No Cross No Crown on January 12th. However, they've released the first song, Cast the First Stone, and I think I'm going to have to.

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It was okay. They've done better. It wasn't terrible. Well, I would say, to me, when I heard the song, it harkened back to not the early, early years, but like Blind. I liked it. I didn't dislike it. It just didn't blow me away like the stuff on In the Arms of God did. So, that's all. You know, we'll see.

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Another new album that is imminent, the fourth album from Tribulation called Down Below is coming out January 26th. They have released a video for the new song The Lament. And again, I'm going to have to go with the song title. Didn't really care for it, unfortunately. Anybody else listen to it? Because it didn't have any synth wave? Why didn't you like it? Ouch. It just didn't. Again,

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And again, I didn't think it was bad, but it didn't really grab me. I haven't listened yet. I'm glad you guys did your homework. I didn't even know it was out there. Okay, I'm just going to keep getting worse here because the next one, Machine Head has released the new song Beyond the Pale from their upcoming album, Catharsis. And I really didn't like that one. I really didn't like it. Are you serious? Yeah, that's way too middle-era Machine Head for me.

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What is middle-air? Well, like the first two albums were good, then there was some stuff that wasn't so good, and then there was the blackening and beyond. Isn't that when Phil Demmel got back in and they just kind of became violent again? Yeah. I would love it if Machine Head became violent again. For sure. I would love it if they just played Burn My Eyes again, because that's one of my all-time

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My Eyes is one of my favorite records. Don, the new guitarist who isn't here today, him and I. Brent's a big fan. Burn My Eyes is one of, I think, if I was on a desert island, I'd have Burn My Eyes with me on a desert island. That's their debut album. When that came out, I was blown away. I was like, oh my god, this is the greatest band ever. But then the whole rap rock thing happened. Even the second record, he sings.

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And he ruins it when he sings. I like the blackening and I like the one after that too. But then he writes like 12 minute thrash songs and it's like get the hell out of here. You need to chop this down and stop singing because he ruins it every time he sings instead of growling. You know what I mean? Like melodically singing. And he at least had the decency to warn us that this new album was going to be different saying that, you know, it's not all that heavy. I'm like, all right, well.

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I haven't heard the track. I haven't heard it. I thought I heard it on

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Liquid Metal and

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I actually thought it sounded good but maybe

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it wasn't the same song. I don't think you heard it well.

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I really don't.

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I'll admit I'm not the biggest

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Machine Head fan. I have two albums,

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Burm My Eyes and The Locust.

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You need the Blackening.

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Yeah, Blackening and Locust are really good.

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Yeah.

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Oh, Through the Ashes of Empires. That's a good one, too. Yeah, that was the comeback. That was when they started to go in the right direction again. Opening song, they just rewrote Davidian and called it something else. And it worked. They just rewrote Davidian, so the opening song is amazing. I just miss violence. I could talk about Chris Squire, but Machine Head, I'm kind of falling short. Sorry, guys. And At The Gates is also working on a new album that's only been given the

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The Vague release date of early 2018. That last album was kind of good. I think it made my list that year. But like melodic Swedish death metal, not really my thing these days. So I don't know what I'll think of that. We'll see. Oh, my God. Bite your tongue. John's going to jump through that screen and kill you. I don't listen to melodic Swedish death metal. Oh, that's right. Because Opeth is now a folk metal band.

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But they were never melodic. No, they weren't metal. El Spenson was always my favorite At The Gates member. I thought he wrote the best riffs. All right. Nobody had a comeback for that. So I saw something from Andy LaRock that seems to indicate that we might be seeing some new King Diamond music finally. I've been saying that for a few years.

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So I'm hoping 2018 is the year that we will, but I guess we'll have to wait and see. I bet it still comes out before the next Tool album. Definitely. And this next one, I was very curious about. Dee Snider is apparently teaming up with Jamie Josta and two members of Toxic Holocaust for an album. Now, I don't know what to think of that. I think Josta's producing it or something.

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I think he is. I don't know. Maybe I didn't read it close enough. But I'm a huge Dee Snider fan. And I'm not a big hate breed fan. It's okay. I think Jamie Jost is kind of cool, though. And Toxic Holocaust is definitely cool. So I'm very curious to see what this is going to sound like. Wait, what's the Toxic Holocaust? Two of the guys are playing on the album. Joel and somebody. I can't remember who the other one was.

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So Joel is involved? Joel and Dee Snider. I mean, come on. What the hell is going to happen here? I don't know. Joel's a pretty prolific musician, man. I mean, he's got... He does. I love that stuff. He's got a lot of, you know, from being just a guy that kind of came out of, you know, doing Toxic Holocaust and, like, just kind of being part of, like, the thrash and the more metal punk movement. Like, he's really developed into a pretty prolific

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I mean, he mastered the Nuke album. I mean, he's gotten really good as far as like production and things like that. He's kind of the go-to guy for a lot of Hell's Headbangers releases. I know that. I'd be interested if I get around and I think about it, I'd totally be interested in checking it out. Yeah. So I guess we'll find out more later on that one. Definitely be checking back. Hey, real quick, are you guys,

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and maybe more Mike than the rest of you guys, but you guys are fans of the horror movie series Hellraiser? Yeah, I like Hellraiser. One and two, obviously the best. Three is cut off. After that, it becomes parody of itself. What's the one where it's like he's now in command, he's in the internet? It's like one of the later ones. I don't know. I've watched them before under the influence of various

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But I mean, one and two, I still, I fucking love those movies. So, yeah, I mean, Hellraiser 1 was definitely one of the coolest, scariest movies. The reason why I bring it up is John and I are about to crack open yet another Imperial Stout. Jesus, because you just cracked a beer. Jesus. Jesus. Wet. I gotta go to work tomorrow. What? Not with that attitude. So we got Ceno Stout from Counter-Rose

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A Stout So Dark It Will Tear Your Soul Apart. That's it. It's got a cat with all the nails in its head. I don't know if you can see it, but anyway. We thought it was yet another appropriate beer to drink to Temple the Void. Compliments to my friend Looch up in Connecticut. Thank you, Looch. Thank you, Looch. He doesn't listen much. Thank you, Looch. Well, that's not cool. All right. Why don't we move on to

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the new releases.

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This week's new releases.

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Yeah, they are.

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Spend your hard-earned money now.

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The first of which I couldn't possibly pronounce.

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Any guesses on how that's pronounced?

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Odin?

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Odin.

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They're from Iceland.

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Yeah, it's from Iceland.

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We know that much.

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It's probably like, Odin.

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Odin.

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Yeah.

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And the album title is even worse. Farfig Nugent. No. Farfiger Fyrandar is the album. Black metal band from Iceland. And I've only actually given it one listen so far, but I've liked. What is the name? What is the name of the band? A-U-D-N is my guess on the pronunciation. It's not bad. It's pretty cool stuff. He's trying to get into it. Settle down, Mike. Settle down. Go ahead. We've had a lot of drinks here tonight.

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Yeah, whatever. I'm on my fucking... I'm drinking beer now. I had, like, how many glasses of that wine? Carry on with your own podcast. Anyway, it's worth a listen, so you should check it out. It's on Bandcamp. Yeah, I thought it was pretty good. Next one, I've been waiting for this one. The new album from Blaze of Perdition called Conscious Darkness. I'm just now realizing I didn't make any of the notes that I normally make on

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all these albums. So I don't know a fucking thing. And I really liked their last album. It's black metal. It's on Bandcamp. Check it out. This next one, Will will have a few words to say about it, I'm sure. The new Cannibal Corpse album, Red Before Black. Sorry, I didn't hear what you said. I was masturbating. Say it again. Orgasm through torture. So I think most of us, at least three of us,

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are kind of big fans of this new album. What do you think, Will? I will actually say this is going to be shocking to all of you, but I love Cannibal Corpse. I'm not the number one Cannibal Corpse fan, but I'm probably like number four or five. Four or five. I mean, it's Cannibal Corpse. I love it. I don't think it's as good as the last few albums, though. I will say that. It's still going to be your number one this year, though, right?

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No. It might be. Maybe not. Maybe. I'm not going to say shit about it. I haven't heard it yet. Would you say it's just kind of par for the course? No. I mean, it's... Is there clean bones? No, unfortunately. That would be awesome. No, no, no. So in that case, I mean, it's Cannibal Corpse. You know what you're going to get. And it's... To me, there's very slight nuances what makes

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What makes a phenomenal Cannibal Corpse album? I mean, and this is coming from my opinion. Every album they're going to make, especially in the last, like, 10 years, has been great. I do think the last probably three or four albums have been a little bit better than this one. But it's still great. Like, that's the thing. It's still great, but... I feel like they went back a little more raw. I think the last, like, at least two albums.

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has been a little more produced. A little... And they said that. They said that this one was going to be a little bit more raw. I just think that... I hate to even use this term with the band of Camel Corps, but there was... Some of the previous albums, there was some stuff that was a little bit more catchy, and I hate using that term, but more memorable, I don't know. More accessible. I think some of the best songs in

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Cannibal Corpse's repertoire have memorable parts. Yeah. That's why you like them. The Bleeding is my favorite Cannibal Corpse record, and I like it because it is catchy. Yeah. Like, if you think about the last album, and they had that song, Killer Become, where it's like, fire up the chainsaw. It's like, that was catchy as hell, and I don't think they quite got to that level on this. There's a couple. Only One Will Die. The last song is kind of catchy. The title track is pretty catchy.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Trust me, it's a great album. It's a great album. It's just, it's not quite there, in my opinion, of the last couple. Yeah, Cannibal Corpse, Connoisseur-ish. Exactly, yeah. Like, the Skeletal Domain was immediately catchy. It just stuck it right off the bat. When I first read Before Black, I was like, oh, man, this is not really all that great. It's just not doing it. But with repeated listens, you know, then it starts,

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It starts growing on and every time I listen to it, I like it more and more. So it's not as catchy, but I think it's just going to take longer to really work its way into your system, unlike the last two, which were just immediate hits right out the gate. I couldn't agree with you more. That's exactly what I thought, Alex. All right. Next up, we have the album from Cloak called To Venomous Depths. I know they're an American band. I was... They're from Atlanta.

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I believe so yeah they're from down south somewhere I thought it might be Nashville I think I think I was here we played blood of the wolf we put I played with cloak either it was with temple avoiders with yeah you're right Atlanta they're a cool band they put a fest in Kentucky called blood of the wolf which is put on by the guys are you guys familiar with the death metal band tomb stalker no no okay well they're pretty cool guys they're from Kentucky they throw on a very like DIY DIY

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Avery tight-knit fest down there called Blood of the Wolf, and I remember Cloak were there back when they were still relatively underground. It's actually pretty cool how big that band's blown up since then. The record's cool. The new record's good. They sound like Tribulation, but I haven't heard one. A little bit less so on this one, I think. Anyway, I've enjoyed the album, so I would highly recommend checking this out on Bandcamp. It made Decibels list, but I don't know why Tempo of Void wasn't on there.

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It's a good question. Next up, I'm gonna take some shit from some of our listeners that I know about this next one, but Desolate Shrine, Deliverance from the Godless Void didn't really do much for me. I'm sorry. Because it had no synthwave? Yes. That is exactly why. You're out of your mind, George. This is a great album. I actually have it. I love it. Well, that's why we do this, to make fun of each other.

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Yes, exactly.

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All right.

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Well, I'm really hoping nobody's going to get on board with this next one because I hate it.

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The new Electric Wizard album, Wizard Bloody Wizard.

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I like it.

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It might be the best album cover of the year, though.

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I almost texted you.

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Okay, that's sarcasm.

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But, you know, I can smell your sarcasm all the way from the West Coast here, Jim.

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I like it.

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I almost texted you beforehand, George, but I wanted to drop that on your life.

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Because I don't know.

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I mean, normally I crap on them because their production is just absolutely shit, but this... The production's better on this one, but his vocals just annoy the hell out of me. And I'm not usually one of the shit all over things, but... He's always sounded like that, though. They're a lot more dry on this album. And they're a lot more forward. Like things like Witch Cult Today and stuff, where it's just like immersed in like a wash of just like reverb and delay, and they...

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They sound almost like they're coming from beyond the mountaintops or something like that. Like they're very, very distant in the mix. They're very upfront. I've only seen, I saw a video that they did, but that's really been my only exposure with the new album. I mean, it, just. I'm sorry. I don't mean to interrupt. I'm probably, I'm probably the fan of the, of them and this podcast. I mean, I think everybody likes little spots, but I seem to be on the exact opposite trend of everybody else. When I read the reviews and what, cause I thought which call today and black masses were

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both awesome. And then I hated the last one. I thought the last one was just ridiculous. And then I feel like this one was great, too. So, yeah, believe it or not, it might be on my list, George. That's how much I like it. Yeah, I think it's really good. The last one, the last one, I think, is really, it's super nihilistic. And I don't think it's very catchy. It's not catchy at all, dude. And I, it doesn't hold up to things like Witch Cult Today or their earlier work. And then this new one sounds more like Blue Cheer. It's got really good.

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It's just catchy. There's nothing wrong with the word catchy.

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It could have come out between Come My Fanatics and Dope Throne.

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You know what I mean? It's like it slides right in between those two records.

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But I just love the whole weird occult 70s horror film thing they do.

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And it works a little bit better with that retro sound all of a sudden.

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It makes it a little spookier.

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They do it very well.

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And they've been doing it a lot longer than most bands do.

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There's just so much on the market right now that just do that. Just use the occult stuff and the 70s imagery and the old Jess Franco films. It's just oversaturation. Wizard are the ones that really are the bread and butter of that. If anybody can get away with using it and doing it, they can. I can't speak for the new album because I really haven't heard it aside from just checking some stuff out and

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like that video or whatever. But yeah, I mean, it sounds like it's pretty par for the course for like wizard stuff. Keep it open mind. It's cool when I'm in the mood for that sort of thing. It really is. It's just it's such a saturated market that like I just get so burnt out on it. Wizard are one of the bands where it's like, okay, well, you guys kind of you guys were sort of one of the progenitors of that. You guys were the guys that really like took that to the forefront and influenced all these

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like thousands of bands out there that kind of try and do the same thing you know so it's sort of i'm

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interested to see what sort of the masters are doing at that point you know um if you say it's good i will

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definitely get around to getting giving it a full listen i try to do everything i like i like black masses i

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didn't like it as much as witch cult today you know i told him it was good he didn't listen to me but you tell him it's good

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It is good, man. It is good, man. You're like, oh my god, Jay, if you said it's good, I'm going to check it out. I'm like, we all like. Yeah, they're like, Jay likes this. We're not even going to try it. No, it's a good electric wizard record. For my two cents, I listened to it and I thought it was decent. Well, fuck me. That was a little tepid. Alright, this next one, I was very excited about initially. The new Godflesh album,

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And the first two songs were really good. And I was like, oh, this is going to make my list. And then it kind of fell off a cliff. I actually never even made it all the way through to the end because the next three or four songs were just so kind of boring that I never finished it. Did anybody else listen to this? No. Not yet. I liked it. I'm a Godflesh fan. I just... Yeah, I generally like what they do. And I don't know what was going on.

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after the first couple songs. Maybe I need to listen to it again. I might be judging it too harshly. I really like the first two songs. And Joseph Roderick's one of my favorite musicians. I haven't checked out the new Godflesh. I think it's fantastic. I just like Godflesh, period. I will go back and give it another try. It's just like a fan of Godflesh. I don't care what they put on. I like Godflesh albums that most people do. Such as? Love it.

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Like hymns. A lot of people don't like hymns because it's so organic. I mean, I could be wrong. There's probably people listening like, what the fuck? I love that album. I love that album too, but I know a lot of people that like Godflesh that don't like that because it's so organic sounding. My favorite Godflesh album is Selfless. I love that album so much. Yeah, it was my first. Yeah, I was going to say that's my first one I got too. All right. Next up, John can probably tell you a little more about this one since I didn't make any notes, but Hypergiant.

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and their album Father Sky. What can you tell us, John? All I know about them is they're from, I believe, Australia. They're kind of a doom stoner metal band. Just happened to catch my eye because of the album cover. But I thought it was pretty cool stuff. I mean, for a... I'm kind of down on stoner metal. It's just generic for me now because there's so much of it. But this has got a little bit more of a doom feel to it. Will has a question.

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Or anything to say, Will? No, I like stoner metal, so. Oh, okay, thank you. I will. I thought you would love this. No, I do. I was just showing you my notes, like fuzz rock, stoner, progressive. It is. No, you're not listening to me. I do like this album. That's what I'm trying to say. You cut me off. What'd you say? I said, fuck you. No, I do like this album a lot, actually. I think people should check it out. They're into the doom. Stoner metal, fuzz, progressive.

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That's a lot of stuff that Will has written down on his notes. Need more time. Need more time. Yeah, I listened to it briefly earlier today, but I was like, oh, this is kind of cool. Yeah. But I need to check it out more. It's kind of riff heavy, I think, which is cool. So give it a spin if you like it. And Will likes, well, Will will like it automatically because they're from Australia. So I love Australia. I studied abroad there and had the best time in my life. What's her name? What's her name?

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And George asks in the singular, not the plural. Her name was Rio. I'm sorry. So next we have The King is Blind and their new album, We Are the Parasite, We Are the Cancer. Now that's what I'm talking about. That album fucking kills. You know, it's interesting. My notes are bolt thrower meets entombed. Okay. It's a little hard to nail down, actually. I mean, I,

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Not wrong. It's almost a little ministry in there for me. The driving nature of the songs. If I heard that album title and that band name, I would think they'd be like swoopy haircut kind of trivia. I would just immediately not listen to what you're saying. That's right. Nobody cares what I say. But you should listen to it. And you should listen to the next one, too.

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And I know they're South American. I really wish I made the frickin' notes. I thought they were Chilean. And it's sort of a traditional doom. And this is a really good album. I was talking to Brent about that. That's the one that's got like the, it's like sperm. Yes, the space sperm. They're bombs, right? Or something like that. I haven't listened to it yet, but I saw the album cover. I was like, that's pretty cool. I dig that. You had me at sperm.

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Sperm. I mean, come on. Attack of the Space Sperm. All right. Oh, that is a cool album. I like that band anyway. I love that band. Shit, when we first started jamming Temple of Void, Brent and I, we went back and forth on that band a little bit. You know, just kind of feeling it out because we didn't really know each other prior to doing the band. So we're kind of feeling each other out on music tastes and things like that. That was definitely a band I think you and I bonded on. Hashtag me too.

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All right, then. Next, we have a band called Under the Church and Supernatural Punishment. It's an international death metal band featuring members from Sweden and Iceland and places like that. I included this on here because I heard the album. I thought it was all right.

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to come back and listen to it more before this episode. So I can't tell you too much other than, you know, at least relatively decent death metal. It's kind of Celtic Frosty. Really? Well, it sounds like I think every Swedish death metal band uses like the same distortion pedal to make it sound like Entombed. Seems like that. That's exactly what it sounded like to me. It's a pretty tired guitar tone. I'm not going to lie. This one? It could be. That's the one.

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Exactly. And our last new release is one that I'm definitely going to jump up and down about. The new witchery album, I Am Legion. I just saw these guys at Wacken back in August and they fucking killed it. And I'm sure there's going to be some people that aren't as big a fan of this album as I am. Because it is sort of commercialized black metal. But I just really like what they're doing here.

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But it's still heavy as all get out, dude. They are a heavy band. That's the best kind of black metal. Sympathy for the Devil or whatever. Yeah. Early stuff. That was a pretty... I really dug that album. I think that came out. I was in high school. Yeah. I'm dating myself right now. I dug that. I'm really not... I mean, is that Jensen dude that used to be in The Haunted and stuff like that? Is he still involved in... Yeah, he's still there. Yeah. He's still there. The last two are really worth your time.

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I would give the last two records a bit if you haven't looked into them for a while. Yeah. You heard it here. You've got Electric Wizard and the last two with three. Whatever, man. I'll entertain anything. Like I said, I don't really get to check out a lot of new shit or like delve into stuff these days. Well, yeah, because you have like 15,000 jobs. You're too busy making music to listen to music. Yeah. It gets tough. I, whatever. Yeah, it is. I appreciate it. I appreciate

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I appreciate people trying to do things that are different. I really have a hard time rolling with bands that just kind of tread status quo. Bands that are like, oh, hey, I want to be just like this band. Unless it's something that is like, okay, here's a band that doesn't exist anymore. Like, well, Bolt Thrower, you know, for a while, aside from, you know, recent stuff with their drummer dying and whatnot, I mean, it's like, okay, we don't need other Bolt Throwers because we already have a Bolt Thrower.

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You can have a bolt thrower influence or try and combine it with something else. But you know what I mean? If you really still have that legend, what's the point of replicating or doing exactly what they are? So that brings me to Memoriam. I love Memoriam. We liked it. What do you guys think of it? What do you think of Nitro? You're talking about Nitro like the Chris Adler Nitro? From the 80s? Oh, the Chris Adler Nitro. The Chris Adler Nitro. She wasn't on it. No, but I mean like the new... No, but I mean...

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I heard they were doing a new album. I'm just being a jackass. But OFR is definitely out fucking rages. George, you need to soundbite that I'm just being a jackass for future use. We like to do those soundbites that we can split in places. But I'm just being a jackass. If there's one thing you don't know me from anything right now, but I am definitely a dumbass. I don't take myself too seriously. I'm pretty serious about heavy metal. I'm pretty serious and staunch.

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with my opinions on heavy metal. I think that I have a pretty set, like, pretty rigid set of, like, standards for what I like and dislike. But as far as, like, I have a pretty good sense of humor. I joke about it all. I think it just described all of us. One thing I don't joke about is FFR. Yeah, that's what I was saying to Alex when Alex and I were doing the Skype preview. I'm like, we're pretty serious metalheads. Like, pretty much eats up our entire existence. But we don't, we take heavy metal seriously. We do not take our

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ourselves very seriously. This is that Seinfeld episode where the two different groups meet together because Elaine is between two different groups. Have you seen that? I think I have. It's the same thing. Yeah. So Brent's going to take off. He's going to. Thank you, fellas. I appreciate all the time. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for the personal notes. I'm going to order more stuff because I want to keep you busy. We're friends now. Thank you. All right, man. See you guys. Cool. We'll catch you when we play your room.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We'll be there drinking free beers. No, you got to pay there for free. I do pay. I know fucking freeloader. All right. So our next segment, this is called Skull Crusher or Skull Crushers. And this is where each episode we pick one of us to basically the other guys ask them questions about a band that they have chosen to see.

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if they can answer the questions.

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And this episode,

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John is going to be taking on questions about Opeth.

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Yes, I'm going to prove that I'm not the number one Opeth fan in the world.

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No, you are, man.

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I'm not even close.

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Yeah.

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Well, let's start with Will.

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Okay.

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John.

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Yes.

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That's a good start.

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He got his name right.

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Hi.

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Hi.

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My name is John.

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That's my shtick.

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Name every drummer in Opet from the first one to the present one. Wow. You get extra bonus points for naming the years they were active in the band. And if you get that, then we get a little alone time later. We're getting that regardless. Okay, so I'm going to go based on just albums. So I think his name's Anders Norton. Is that it? On the first two albums.

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Then Martin Lopez came in with Myram's Your Hearst. He plays through Ghost Reveries. He then leaves the band. Gene Hoagland joins for a tour. And then Martin Axenrod has been in the band since the recording of the Roundhouse tapes. So the only one that you sort of missed, but you were correct in the way you caveated,

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is the first guy to ever drum in the band before they ever recorded an album. I can't remember who that is. His name is Really Even. Yeah. And even if I did remember, I couldn't pronounce it. Is he making music? Mark Lopez. Yeah, he's in the band. Is it Sewin? Sewin. Yeah, they're like very tool. Yeah, it's really good. I think they've got the third album came out this year, I think, didn't it? Yeah. They're kind of quiet.

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I mean, they're known, but they're just not huge. So, but yeah, he's doing that. I don't know if they tour a lot or anything. And I think that's by design by him, isn't it? That he wants to. Yeah, tour a lot of issue with him, yeah. So I have one other question for you, John. Michael Ackerfeld has a cartoon character based on him. Who is it? Yeah, it's Metal Aqual. I can't remember which one. I can see him, but I can't remember the name. So I'll tell you that right now. Yep. Yeah. Toki Wartooth. Yes, but he's one of the five.

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Yeah, from Metalocalypse. All right. Respectable. Those are good. All right, I got two for you, John. I hope they're not total lobs, but we'll see. This one, I think, is probably the easier of the two. What country was the underground, I think they were kind of underground, progressive rock band from which Michael took the title for Blackwater Park? Oh, I saw that. And the band was called, the band's called Blackwater Park.

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The album's called Dirt Box. Oh, there you go. Look at that. So what country was that? Like I said, I'm a fucking prog nerd, so... And this is just the fact I read somewhere that stuck with you. I know it. I won't fucking say it, though. Right on. Yeah, I'm gonna tell you right now, I don't remember. Take a stab. I think you might get lucky. United Kingdom. England. No, you didn't. Yeah. Germany. Okay. Okay, and then now... Only good prog came from fucking Germany, man.

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Yeah, you know, the funny thing is, is I don't, of all the prog rock bands that Mike listens to and likes, I don't listen to any of them. I mean, I listened to a little bit of Camel, not that much, but whatever. Camel, fucking so good. I know, the first four albums are cool, I know. Okay, the other one I think is a little easier, but I don't know if they've won any Grammys since this, so I'll just say,

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What record did they win their first Swedish Grammy for? It might be their only one. It's just that I don't know if they won past this. It was for Hard Rock Performance, Swedish Grammys. Hard Rock, that right there that leaves out most of their catalogs. That's the name for it. I have no clue. Deliverance. Deliverance, really. I was going to guess something like Watershed, but...

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What would deliverance? I would have guessed Damnation just because it's the least. Yeah, that would have been my guess. More. Right. But the reason why I went with Watershed is because they didn't really start getting any kind of serious media play until Ghost Reveries with the Grand Conjuration. Yeah. When video showed up for that. And that brings us to you, George. All right. Jeez, Jay just kicked me in the balls. I'm sorry. I thought those would be easy. I apologize. Jay's a dick.

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Well, I'm hoping you're going to know these because I was counting on you being the number one Opeth fan, but... I told you I'm not. I've got three. The first two, I don't know, but the second... Sorry, the third one is a true-false question, so I'm lobbing you that one. Okay, so the first question. The song for Absent Friends is named after, or at least called the same, as a song on an album from this

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Older British Progband. Name the band and the album. Next question. Oh, man. I told you guys. I don't know that much about it. But you know this band. Older British Progband. Yes. Oh, shoot. I was going to guess something else. I would have been wrong. There you go. Nice. That's a gimme. He's got it. All right. Keep going. Hit him again. Hit him hard. Come on. Oh, that's a shitty album.

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Oh, I thought you said it wasn't Genesis. No, it is Genesis. The only two I would think would be either Nursery Crime or Selling England. Nursery Crime. All right. Thank you. Look at you. Have a positive attitude about yourself, John. Feel good about yourself. You can do it, man. You can do it. Now I'm embarrassed because I'm a huge Peter Gabriel Genesis fan. I have to go back and listen to that. Yeah, that's why I thought you would get that one. All right.

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Who are the albums Deliverance and Damnation dedicated to? You guys are killing him. I picked this one because I know that you know Mike. And I thought maybe this might be something you would know. Yeah, damn. You guys are in like metal mental meltdown categories now. Who was the assistant producer on the second place? Again, I don't normally go this far into the...

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I got one better for you. This is almost like saying, okay, so Rush on every album in the liner notes, they dedicate the album or it's based on the letter of. Do you remember that from, was it Romper Room or something like that? I can't remember. This show is based on the letter E or the letter F. Sesame Street. It was his grandmother who died in a car accident during the recording. Yeah. All right. Yeah. All right, Dan.

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These are the finer details that I haven't ventured into. Here's your 50-50 one. True or false, Michael is a founding member of OPATH. That's false all the way. Exactly. I was surprised to see that. No, he came in a couple months later. And then when he came in, he fired everybody. Including the founder. No, actually, David, was it David Eisenberg or whatever?

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They're the only two that remained. Was it called Opeth when he got there? Yes. He's not responsible for the name. But I believe he's responsible for the logo, though. I'm not mistaken. I always assumed he was responsible for the name. No. See, I was expecting questions about the name, what Mike's first band was, Eruption. You know, I was expecting all that stuff. Oh, the easy crap. Yeah, because a lot of people know Mike was in a band called Eruption. Well, dude, we can beat you if we'll tell you that. Whatever. All right.

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I am like the number 4552nd Opeth fan. That's okay. At least it's out there now. It's out there. Look, it's impossible for me to be the number one fan. My friend Angie is the number one fan of all time. She's been to like 200 shows all around the world. Let's get her on the phone. Yeah, this is where we should have had a call in a lifeline. I should have did Rush. Jesus. All right. We are moving into

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the home stretch now.

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Wait, wait, wait, wait.

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So we got to keep this going.

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So that means it's my turn.

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Okay, that's true.

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Yep.

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And I would like to do Iron Maiden minus the Blaze bearing records.

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Next time, Iron Maiden.

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Why?

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You don't like the best album?

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You don't want to cover the best albums ever by Iron Maiden?

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Like, what do you...

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Why?

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It's just because I love them so much.

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I don't want to answer questions about them.

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So Jay...

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They're close to my heart.

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Just real quick, Jay.

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You say that, but one of Blaze's songs is one of my favorite songs by Maiden, but it's

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with Bruce singing now.

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And that's the Klansman. Klansman. Yeah, I was just gonna say. The live version of that, he just... I wanna fucking be there in Brazil, just my fist in the air screaming at Klansman, you know? Alright, I'm dating myself a little bit. My first exposure to Maiden was actually X Factor. What? Yes. I actually didn't like it. I saw them on that tour at Harpo's. Hold on, I'm gonna date myself. My first Maiden album when it actually came

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was made in Japan.

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Yeah.

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See,

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that's dating yourself.

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But so I,

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I grew up in literally the worst time to get into iron maiden.

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And it actually turned me off for a while until I actually discovered Diano maiden.

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And Diano maiden really won it over.

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And still the first two main albums are bar none.

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My favorite ones.

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Really?

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And I love Bruce Dickinson maiden and things like that.

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But going back now as an adult and revisiting X Factor and Virtual 11 and stuff like that, the songs are actually really good. And I don't really want to blame Blaze Baylor. It's not really his fault. I think their production is still going on. They're good songs. He's just not the right singer for that band. See, okay, now there's a question I expected. Which Iron Maiden song did Opeth cover? Which would have been really cool to ask. Yeah, but that's easy. Was it Remember Tomorrow? Remember Tomorrow. Amazing. Their cover is...

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The version is actually really good. It is really, really good. What are you eating there? Hippie food. Hippie food. Wheat thins. Oh no, sorry. The last remnants of Thanksgiving. Vanilla ice cream and pumpkin pie. Like vegan ice cream. And beer. Thank you for beer. Yes. Are you guys still drinking the same Diablo or Diabolical? Diabolical. I'm about done with mine here. I don't know what we're drinking anymore.

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So we've moved on to Fairwinds. My second brewery that I brewed at was Fairwinds. We're drinking their Howlingale IPA. Which is good. I like it. It's actually pretty fantastic. Yeah, that's good.

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We all made a list. We made a list. We all made a list. And we're gonna tell you all about it right now.

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Yeah, I mean, just where it's at for me, that's where it's being a kid and hearing everything about it. I'm going to say, well, how many songs are we allowed? Oh, Jesus Christ. How about give us five. All right. Touch Too Much. Oh, yes. Rhythm. Yes. I was going to say Rocker. Rip Raff. Yes. If you want blood,

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You got it. Hold on. Wait, did you grab my list? Maybe. I don't know. Wait a minute. I'll grab it. I'll take a whole lot of Rosie. Yes! Yes! Right now, Andrew's like, what's going on? Yeah, we're like halfway down with the list already. What happened? Oh, oh, oh. Rock and Roll Singer of High Voltage. Yeah, that's a good one. It's fucking great. I think you guys didn't make lists then. No. That's okay. Yeah, no. It'll make it short.

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That's probably five. Yeah. You can shout approvals. Yeah. Four. All right. Check out if you like. Yeah. Let's do it. Let's rock it. All right. Number 10. Number 10. I'm the oldest here. So I remember these albums. We'll vote on who has the best list. How about that? Yeah. I like it. I'm the oldest here. So I remember when these albums actually came out. We should do this kind of quickly, by the way. Yeah. Yeah. Do we want to just like, since we're

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pressed for time. Do we just want to each read our list? 10 to 1 instead of going around? It's fine. I mean, you want to do that? That way they can vote more accurately. You want to do that? Whatever, yeah. Okay, that's fine. I'm down. I'll go first, obviously. People probably think I'm nuts, but my number 10 is Riff Raff. You're crazy, man. I don't think that should be hard. I know. Number 9, it's a long way to the top if you want to rock and roll. If, if. Number 8, probably my

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The Biggest Song of My List, in terms of radio play. For those about to rock. Number eight! What?! Now come the deep tracks. If You Want Blood is my number seven. Yes! I don't know why this song gets forgotten. It ought to be a law. Exactly. No, it's not If You Want Blood. It's If You Want Blood, You Got It. I remember I saw the cassette of that in the grill.

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in Meyers Thrifty Acres. You guys know those places? Do you have those around there? No. Yeah, it was called Meyers Thrifty Acres back in the day. I remember seeing the cassette for If You Want Blood, You Got It, and I was just like, holy shit, look at that. He's got a guitar going through him. Greatest cover ever. Oh, one of my favorite live albums. It's so awesome. Bon Scott's just hanging on him and it's just protruding. The SG is just

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He's protruding from his sternum. And then on the back, he's just laying face down and the fucking neck is just sticking out his back. That was awesome. Sorry, John. Go on. Not a problem. Number six, which I don't believe people will talk about this song more. Rock and Roll Ain't Noise Pollution. For me, it's an anthem almost when I was growing up. All right. This was already mentioned. Girls Got Rhythm is my number five. Yeah. I love that song. Maxi Rhythm. Fuck yeah. Pocket Ball Rhythm.

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Number four, Sin City. I absolutely love that song. Oh, yeah. Number three, which has got the coolest, I believe, use of the word fuck in it at the beginning, Problem Child. Oh, dude, yeah. So good. My favorite song off of the live album, If You Want Blood, is where, you know, Bonscott says, it's hot in here, rock and roll damnation. And then my favorite song, which is actually a Brian Johnson song,

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It's off of Back in Black. When I first heard this, when I had the album, when it came out in my hands at 12 years old, Shoot the Thrill. Shoot the Thrill. Yeah. And it's one of the songs I thought that for years was forgotten off that album because of all the other, you know, big mega hits off of it. So that's it. But a few albums, I think every single song off of Back in Black is a single of some sort. In some form or another. Yeah. Yeah. How many albums can you say that? Maybe the first Bad Company, maybe the first Boston. That's about it.

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Yeah. I mean, how many ohms can you say every single song gets radio play? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Well, speaking of which, so my list, because my list goes to 11, because all our lists go to 11. Oh, I have honorable mentions, so I just got to save those. I didn't have any honorable mentions. Is that Emperor Void? Tell me a lot. My ACDZ. If you guys happen to have time, we are recording on December 2nd, our year-end podcast.

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which is predominantly about our year-end list. It's pretty much going to be the year-end list. Yeah. You guys may want to tune in. Maybe. But drink a lot while you do it. Yeah. So my number 11, I don't have honorable mentions, but my number 11 is Drink On. I like it. Back in Black. All right, I think I will. Yeah. So my real list, number 10, Back in Black, 1980.

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from Back in Black. Number nine. Shoot the Thrill. 1980, Back in Black. So three in a row right there from that album. Again, what we were just talking about. Number eight, Fire Guns from 1990, The Razor's Edge. Wow. Didn't see that coming. I think that'll be the latest one we hear. That is the latest one I have.

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That is a good song. The only time I saw ACDC in concert, I was in high school and I went to that Razor's Edge tour. Number seven, Highway to Hell. 1979, Highway to Hell. Number six, A Long Way to the Top. You want a rock and roll. 1976, High Voltage album.

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But if. Only if.

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Number five.

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Hell's Bells.

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Again, back in black.

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Number four.

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Heat Seeker.

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Man, don't you even like Bon Scott?

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Shut the fuck up and wait.

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He did say Highway to Hell.

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Heat Seeker.

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He has one Bon Scott song.

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I like it too.

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I'm just busting your balls.

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Will's going to be the heat sinker. He likes to focus on the gay area of ACDC. I learned it by watching you, okay? Number three, Let The Re Rock, 1977. Oh, hey, Bon Scott. Let The Re Rock album. Number two, Girls Got Rhythm. 1979, Highway to Hell.

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And number one, reigning supreme champion of all large women, whole lot of rooms. I really thought you were going to go Thunderstruck. God, I love that song. Unfortunately, I can't hear the rest of the list. I got to go. But it was cool having me on here and having the rest of the guys on here. Thank you guys. Thanks for coming. Thanks so much, Mike. We appreciate it. All right. I will catch you guys soon. All right, Mike. I'll see you. I don't know if you'll be here. I've got time for one list and I got to go because I am up at 345.

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We're not hurt if you bail now, dude. You don't have to sit down. I like one more. He still likes ACDC. I love him. Oh, man. Everybody but me. I just decided it's impossible to do it, but I did five Bond and five Brian, which seemed like the easiest way to go here. So, Whole Lotta Rosie, which really is a great song, from Flick of the Switch, Nervous Shakedown. Nervous Shakedown almost made my list, dude. Wait, wait, wait. Sorry, Jay, are you Whole Lotta Rosie? That's right. Nailed it.

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I did that on purpose.

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Number 10?

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I bet that Will's number one.

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Nervous Shakedown from Flick of the Switch.

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It's a Long Way to the Top.

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If you want to rock and roll.

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Off of...

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Can you say the numbers while you do this?

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I can.

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So that was 10, 9, 8.

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So number 7 is from For Those About to Rock, Evil Walks.

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Yes.

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You know that one?

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Great song.

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Awesome song.

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I think you stole my original list.

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I may have.

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Number six from either Dirty Deeds or Let There Be Rock, Problem Child. Depending on the country you lived in. Yeah. It's better produced on Dirty Deeds, too. For Those About to Rock from For Those About to Rock is my number five. Number four, I'm sorry to tell you guys, Girls Got Rhythm is the wrong song to choose from. Highway to Hell, it's actually Walk All Over You. Oh, my God, I love you. I agree.

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It's like slow and pissy

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Yeah

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But then it takes off like a rocket

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Yeah, it's awesome

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It's the only song where you actually feel like you're getting walked over

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when you're listening to it

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I think Will was the only other one

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to choose this, and it was between this

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or Shoot the Thrill, but I think these are sister songs

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My number three is Have a Drink on Me

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Which I believe is

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a dedication to Bon Scott, isn't it?

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When they wrote it

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I thought it was

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I assume the whole record is sort of dedicated. Oh, good question. Or good. Yeah. Number two, my favorite song from Power Ridge, which is probably my favorite overall record. Yes. Down Payment Blues. I just love that song, man. Really? I love Down Payment Blues, man. It's a great album. And number one, it's almost, you know, a cliche at this point, but Hell's Bells. That was the first thing you heard when they came back from Bon Scott and Dying. And it's a great song. Hell's Bells. Number one. All right.

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You sticking around for just a couple more minutes? Okay. I will be quick. All right. I'll wait. Okay. And my number 10, nobody said this one, and I fucking love the song, Bedlam in Belgium from Flick of the Switch, I believe it was. Number nine, Ride On. It's like the only thing close to a ballad that they ever did, and it's just fucking killer. Wow. Ride On. Number eight, Night Prowler. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That is a good one. Richard Ramirez fan, I think.

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Number 7 Rock and Roll Ain't Noise Pollution. Number 6 Livewire. Didn't you say number 6 was the last one? No, that was number 7. Number 6 Livewire. Number 5 Problem Child seems to be a common one. Number 4 TNT. No one said that one yet. Number 3 For Those About to Rock. And my number 2 and my number 1 are both big songs, but they fucking mean so goddamn

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much. Number two, Highway to Hell. Number one, the very first song I ever heard from the band, Dirty Deeds, Dun Dirt Cheap. Dun Dirt Cheap. No one's heard that one yet. My son, that's his favorite song. So, I mean, obviously it transcends like, you know, I was probably that young or whatever when I heard it. We are of a similar age. Yeah. And everybody loved just saying, oy, at the beginning.

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And when I first heard dirty deeds, I thought he was saying dirty deeds and the dunder jeep. I'm like, what the fuck is a dunder jeep? But let's be, let's all be honest that the number one metalhead podcast song is big balls. Oh, hell yeah. Cause we've all got big balls. The biggest balls of all. All right, man, go home, go to bed. Awesome guys. Thank you for supporting us.

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Thank you for making good music. Thanks for spending such a long night with us. Hope to see you in DC. Jason, please, please. If you guys come, we're there. I will treat you if you play in the brewery. Thanks for spending the time, man. I gotta take off. Yeah, go for it, dude. Make sure to check them out. Pick up both the albums. Temple of Void. Lords of Death. Thanks, guys.

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It was a lot of fun. It was so much fun. Talk to you later. Take care, man. Okay, guys. See you next year. Thank you. All right. We still have some honorables to do, perhaps, except for Will. Sure. I'll do mine real quick. Mine, High Voltage. This is a song I'm surprised nobody mentioned. Hell Ain't a Bad Place to Leave. Touch Too Much, Hell's Bells. And here's a song, George, I'm surprised you didn't mention. Put the Finger on Yeah.

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You know, anything off of For Those About to Rock could have been on my list. Yeah, it's a great record. And in fact, half of it is on my honorables. I mean, let's be honest. They don't make a lot of bad songs. Not really. I mean, I don't like the late era stuff that much, but it's mostly because Brian just sounds so bad after, like, flying the wall. His voice just sounds so easy. He gargled on glass and it just never

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Yeah. Though he did sound pretty good on the last one. It's not a great record, but he sounded pretty good on it. What's the last one? Like something Train or something? Rock and Roll Train, yeah. And I listened to it like once. So I have no sales pitch on it. All right, who's next? Will, you do that one? I don't have any. Mine is Fast, but you probably won't be surprised by any of these. They're on most of your list. Ride On, Shoot to Thrill, Rock and Roll Ain't Noise Pollution, Inject the Venom, Girls Got Rhythm, Night Prowler, What's Next to the Moon, which is one of my other favorite songs off-pockets.

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Racker, which I think is just a great... I'm a rocker. I'm a roller. Overdose, and Hell Ain't a Bad Place Today. I've got High Voltage, Walk All Over You, Night of the Long Knives, come on. Oh, that is... Evil Walks, COD, Have a Drink on Me, and If You Want Blood... You got it. You know, the interesting thing about all this, obviously we're doing this because of Malcolm Young's passing,

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What most people didn't realize, they always associate Angus with the band. He's the guy. It was actually Malcolm that was the guy. Pretty much. Angus was the more visible. And he's going to be the lead guitarist, but Malcolm was always the guy that was the backbone. He's the anchor. He was. So that's why it was such a big deal. When I heard it, I was like, just this sucks. That's a major guy for a lot of them. They were one of my gateways. They're not going to continue after this.

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My first cassette, I had LPs, but my first purchased cassette was For Those About To Rock. I had some of the Bond stuff on vinyl. I think I remember my first 10 albums. We all do. We lay our albums out and look at them. I think five of my first 10 were ACDC albums. I remember my first two ACDC albums, I think, were Dirty Deeds and For Those About To Rock. I got them from, where did I get them in the 80s? Come on.

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From the Sony Music Club. Columbia Record and Tape Club. Hell yeah. You know where I went, George? Which I don't think anyone remembers is Rainbow Records. That's where I went to get my albums early on, which was a major chain back in the late 70s, early 80s. Camelot Records. Camelot, yeah. I worked at a Camelot for a little while. Record stores or strip clubs? No, that would just be Camelot and that club blows.

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But yeah, so to be honest, I think a lot of my original influences, I mean, Black Sabbath also came from record tape, Columbia Tape Club thing. Because it was so cool. You know, nowadays you want an album, you just go download it. But back then it was like 10 records for a penny. Get out of here. It was like you could get a bunch of new music really fast.

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You just couldn't normally do that on a... You didn't get the cool packaging. Yeah. Well, some of them, they came in the cool packaging. The other ones, they came with the weird alternate packaging. Yeah, yeah. Hey, so, John, Jay, and Jura, all three, have you seen DC Live? I have not, unfortunately. I've never seen them. Never. And I honestly have not either. I'm the only one. 1990, Razor's Edge Tour. That's why I saw them live. They would have been inaccessible to me until...

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It just never worked out for me. Just because where I lived. Yeah. And then by the time I would have had access to them, I didn't care. Because, I mean, honestly, I really lost interest for more or less the fly on the wall. I can honestly say, I mean, it was 1990s Razor Rage tour, but one of the best shows I've ever seen in my life. Well, then, when you talk about rock and roll, ACDC, George Thurgood, those two non-heavy metal shows that I've seen, non-stop, still are something

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I saw Thurgood in like 87, 88. I was like, fuck this guy. For two hours, it didn't stop. That's exactly what I saw. It was like the late 80s. I would really recommend to our older or younger people who listen to this show, I had mentioned it earlier tonight, which was there's this, I don't even know the name of it, John. Do you remember that there's an ACDC quote unquote concert movie? And it's live in Paris with Bond from the Highway to Hell tour, but it's not called Highway to Hell or something.

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I don't know what it's called. And it's if you want to see what Angus Young was like when Angus Young was dominant. And this is on a smaller stage, not some behemoth stadium stage. This is where he's got like 30 feet and operate on for two hours or hour and a half, whatever it is they do. And it just destroys it. He looks like he's trying to kill himself. It's amazing. And Bond sounds great. It's just so good. But no, I've never had that. I never had the joy of myself to see. Yeah. So.

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I think my one of my two things about them I remember the most which is really funny there was an old Toyota commercial back in the 70s early 80s and the phrase you got it was in the commercial and I was yeah and I was writing some notes to some friend of mine I was like if you want blood you've got it remember I used to pass notes in school the teacher's like what is that what does that note say you've got it and somebody said to me out of the corner is that that Toyota commercial and I was just like nobody

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And then when Beavis and Budhead made their first appearance ever, it was I think at Donington, they put their images in the crowd. And they were just headbanging in the crowd at Donington, I think is what it was. And I was like, who are these Beavis and Budhead? And ACDC, I love it. They were great, man. Honestly, I thought for at least 30 seconds I'd go in to see them with the Axl Rose thing, just to see what it was like. Well, to me, I wanted to see it just because it's

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History. If Malcolm was there, I probably would have gone. Yeah. But even with Axl there, that's a piece of rock and roll history. Yeah. I mean, I heard him sing the songs. He sang the songs really well. He does some good singing. I don't like him personally, but here's the thing. In 10 years from now, when we're in our 70s, and we're doing this podcast. I'll be close.

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like we'll be those guys like oh remember that time the axle was the singer for like i want to go for the nostalgia historical not nostalgia but the historical you were there precedence of it yeah dude believe me there's gonna be some kid who discovers acdcn guns and roses separately 20 years from now and when you tell him that tour happened he's gonna be like what yeah yeah i guess it's hard for people who for anyone who's younger a lot younger than us to realize

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When they hit the states, not Australia, when they hit the states and Europe, they were huge. And they were kind of like, whoa, those guys drink, you know, and they're partying. They're talking about girls, and they have this hard rock. And as kids, we were just like, I want everything I can possibly just ingest on this. I want to go meet Rosie. The first tour in England, the punks went out because they thought they were a punk bear. Because they were so high energy and just straight up rock and roll stuff.

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which is not a compliment to punk. But they were really mistaken for a punk band for basically their whole first tour. They have a lot more talent than punk. Of course. And it's the simplest formula possible. If you think about it, there's a guy in front that sings and Angus that just goes back and forth, left to right, headbanging. Everybody else stands back until the chorus. And then the bass and rhythm guitar step up to sing, then they drop back. And it's a formula across the board and it's worked. Yeah.

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It's a foundational formula. Some of our listeners may think they're not metal, but for us growing up, they were metal. They were metal. Yeah, they were. All right. Well, this is the time in the episode where we would normally get into what we are listening to. But since we are neck deep in year-end lists. Listen next week to hear what we're listening to. Exactly. We don't want to play our hands too early by talking about what we're listening to right now because it's pretty much just stuff.

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to get our lists in order. So less than a week from now, we will be recording our year-end episode. So come back. We'll be doing our top 25 albums of 2017. Wait, why are we only doing? I thought we were doing 40. Fuck you. Yeah, our top 25 plus like another 25 honorable mentions in no particular order. That's, I guess, the compromise.

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So I want to note that it hasn't happened yet, but I am anticipating that we're going to tack something on the end of this episode because this coming Thursday, John and I and TR are going to see Devin Townsend in Baltimore. So I'm going to guess that we're probably going to record something for that. If that's the case, then that's going to be tacked on the end here.

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now.

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But for this episode, minus that, we will be wrapping up now.

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We got to give a big shout out to the guys at Temple of Void. Oh, for sure. Just phenomenal dudes. Great interview. Thank you, Mike, Jason, Alex, Brent. I can't express enough appreciation, especially for me. I'm a huge Death Doom guy. These guys are just unbelievably talented, put out phenomenal records, and this is a true pleasure for me. Yeah, I enjoy talking with them. It was a good time. Agreed.

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And it might make my wist. It will. It will. I'm working. I'm working on it now. It's a hard list. I guess you'll find out soon. How hard is it? Find out soon enough. All right. Until next time. See ya. Hello. This is George. And this is John. And it's the day after the Devin Townsend Project show at the Baltimore Soundstage in Baltimore, Maryland. Yes. And we're going to do a quick postmortem. Yes.

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It was an interesting evening. We got there. John and I both parked in the Rams Head Live parking garage using Parking Panda, some of us with more success than others. John was smart and printed out his QR code to scan. I trusted in technology, and technology failed me. I went to open the app to scan the code, and only like a little sliver of it left.

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And I'm like cursing and yelling and I had to hit the call button to get help and some guy came out and he gave me a ticket and he was like, just tell him you have a parking panda and they'll let you out later. So I was like, all right. And we meet up at the line in Kugel Beer Garden. Which is like a block away from the venue. Yeah. And it's also the same area where Maryland Death Fest is for Ramses. So it's all within one block, all this stuff. So it's kind of nice to set up. Yeah.

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So we got settled and we were shortly joined by Jeff and TR. And George experienced something he's never experienced or hasn't in a very long time. George, do you care to say how you were dumbfounded, but you felt like you were a babe in the woods a little bit? Yeah, these guys started whipping out the hardcore prog talk. And I was just like, you know, I was thinking about I'm like at prog power, I didn't have this issue.

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I knew all the bands ahead of time, and I did all my research. And I think it's probably Jeff's fault. Because Jeff knows a lot of stuff, and it's not necessarily metal. And you and TR kind of know what I know. And I mean, you know, you understand what I know. And so we just sort of talk about things.

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T.R. and I have a friend named Jeff, as George mentioned. He's pretty right. I mean, he's like a lot of us. He likes a lot of music, but he likes a lot of the same non-metal stuff that I like, so it can go to a whole different place. So I'm sitting here listening to this, and I'm just like, I don't know what these guys are talking about. I'm going to get on my phone. And I'm sending group messages to Jay and Will and John going, oh my God, these guys are talking, bro.

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nerds.

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Yeah.

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And John's like seeing these and going, hey.

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Don't worry, I called you out for it.

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Yeah.

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But I was just kidding.

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You know, it was it was different to not know the stuff that people were talking about.

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And then we realized that TR needs to be more metal educated.

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Yes.

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We need to.

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Future endeavor.

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Yeah.

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We want to try and get him into some harsh vocal bands.

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Although it sounds like he needs to get into some thrash, too.

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You know.

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Which I'm surprised.

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I thought he would like

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some thrash already to begin with

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since he grew up like

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the rest of us during that period

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because he's the same age as me

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and I was a little surprised that he didn't like

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some of the thrash bands or didn't have

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as much exposure to it but

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you know, get ready

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here it comes. He's going to be

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here tomorrow when we do our

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year-end episode which

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this isn't even posting before the year-end

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episode happens unless I post it tonight

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In which case, it'll go up on a Saturday, which is strange, but what the hell? Well, yeah, I mean, it should be interesting. He's going to see how we operate in person. He's not going to bring a list, but he's going to sit in and watch. And we're going to be joined by my friend Matt, who we were at Valken together. And he also wrote an article on the way

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And should say that we're all kind of interconnected on all different social media sites with him too. Yeah. So yeah. So I'm going to be happy to have him interact with you guys because I think it's a good a good combo. So anyway getting back to this to the the post-mortem we we hung out in the Leinenkugel beer garden for a while had some food had some beers and the first band was Bridges to Devils.

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I believe if they were called I think so yeah and we we skipped it uh so I the first two bands were local bands yeah before you go any further or farther about this I think it should be noted that you had looked online at setlist fm and I'd noticed that he had only played eight songs in the on the first night of this leg of his tour yeah like North Carolina or something yeah we were disappointed because there were like eight songs 40 minutes what's going on

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here. Doing a little research, I found that he's actually on tour with Clutch and the Obsessed starting now. So I'm thinking that was the first night of the tour, and you saw the eight songs, which was correct. So our show was a headline one-off or one-offs or whatever he's doing that he's throwing in. We happened to get the full show. So he had local support because we were both surprised by the local bands. Not that they were playing, but that, well, who are the other bands on the tour? Is there anybody else? That's why.

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So we just happened to pick the night where we got the full show and we were all happy for it. So we got the full Debbie. It's sort of like the full Monty only like heavier, funnier and really sexier, honestly. And there was talk of Monty parts during the show for pretty much the whole evening. So yeah, you know, I almost wanted to go buy that key chain at the end of that. I think it's I think it's on his website if I'm not mistaken. I want to look. So so anyway, the first two

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Bands were local. The first one was called Bridges to Divide, and we skipped them, presumably largely on the fact that I listened to them on Bandcamp and said, meh. And everybody was like, okay, good enough for me, more beer. But we did make it over there to catch Darkwater Transit, and there was a lot of negativity floating around about them, myself included initially.

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Yeah, I didn't dislike them. It's just... Not really what I want to hear at a show. No, and they were all over the map, and the moments where they were heavy were cool. The moments actually where they were kind of post-rockish were cool. The kind of... I wouldn't call it psychedelic, but venturing in that area were all cool. Put together, I was like, eh, no, pick one.

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How many times do you think we said amongst the four of us what different bands they were emulating on stage? Because there were a moment I leaned over and I said to Jeff and TR, I don't know if you heard me, I said, they're literally playing La Villa Strangiotto by Rush right now. And then they would whip into some kind of like Phish, you know, P-H-I-S-H band, you know, kind of little jam band stuff. And I was like, what's going on here? And the whole lot of love slash what was? Oh, On the Run by Pink Floyd from Dark Side of the Moon. Yeah.

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Yeah. And at least the last song or two was sort of like, to me, kind of a prog drone, was I was thinking. And I called it prog flesh, because he pointed out a guy that had a Godflesh shirt on. And I was like, you know, it's kind of like Godflesh in that he's just playing the same, you know, things over and over again at times, but not as heavy as Godflesh.

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Not as industrial. It's a little more proggy than that. There were no vocals, I might add. And no bass. Although the one guitarist was, I guess, emulating a bass a little bit. But it was noticeable in some songs. In some songs, it wasn't. I think at one point I leaned over to TR and I said, I hope you like our new direction tonight. Or if you don't know what that means, that's from Spinal Tap. When they do their jazz odyssey, when they completely dump the whole thing. And we were laughing over like this is kind of like prog odyssey.

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because it really was all over the map. Yeah. So I didn't hate it, but I wouldn't say I was like, woohoo, awesome. It was respectable, I guess I'd say. I'll be honest. I was more entertained than liking it, meaning it kept my interest until the very end when I was like, okay, the last song has gone on long enough. I'm ready for Devin Townsend and thanks for playing. Appreciate it. I'm ready to move on. Yeah. And we saw Kevin.

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A guy we know from a couple of MDFs. He's friends with Dan and Corey, formerly of the Nine Circles podcast. So we ran into him and talked to him for a bit. And apparently he knew the one guitar player because they were talking and he mentioned that he knew him, he worked with him or something. Yeah, so that was cool. It was good seeing him. We had a good talk with him. But then it was Devy time.

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Yes, it was. And the whole time I'm watching, I'm dreading just eight songs. I'm like, oh, God, why only eight songs? And because they didn't come on until 10, which is unusually late for a headliner. I mean, nine is nine to nine 30s kind of the standard, I think. And it should have been with the bands that played not not taking any time away from them. But he probably should have went on like, what, nine 30? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we're like, is this going to be a short set?

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We don't know what to expect. Is he just going to go from 10 to 11? And that's it? But it didn't turn out that way, as John already mentioned. It went to about 11.30-ish. Yeah, I think he went on at 10.05, and I think he played roughly 90 minutes. And by the way, I was counting songs, too. I started to, but then I sort of like, wait, was that four or five? And then I just said, fuck it, I don't count it. It doesn't matter anymore. It is what it is.

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Yeah. And then I leaned over and I said, I think it was along 10. I was like, we got a longer show. We're good. Yeah. And as usual, I didn't think the sound was all that super in soundstage, which, you know, I expected going in. But despite that, he still sounded amazing. It's amazing, his voice and the way that he can play the guitar. And there's really nobody like Devin Townsend. There really isn't.

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No, and you're right about the sound, because

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if you're a fan of a band like Motorhead, you know about the wall of sound.

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And I know we've talked with Jay about this before, but when you're a fan, you can distinguish each song.

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You know what you're listening to. Same with Devin Townsend, I think. If you're not a fan of his, all you hear is the wall of sound, because he has a huge industrial wall.

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But once you become a fan of his, you can start to pick apart the pieces and then put them back together.

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And then you're right, you get to hear all this amazing things he does if you're a fan. And I agree. For a guy who's 45 and who used to screech, his clean vocals and still his harsh vocals, they sound great. And he can go really high. Oh, God, can he go high? It's impressive. And he's got this kind of wild falsetto, you know, when he becomes operatic. Not operatic as in, let's go to the opera, but like melodramatic operatic, if you know what I mean.

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I see your t-shirt in the background there. Oh, yes. Let's talk about the shirt real quick. So I was debating on shirts. The new shirts are kind of cool with the logo and everything. But the shirt that I liked, that George and I liked at first, was the black shirt, which had all the dates. I always like to get those. Yeah, me too. But then he had this kind of charcoal gray shirt. And there's no dates in the back, but it's maybe the best back of a shirt I've ever seen, especially if you're

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It says, lower mid-tier prog metal. Literally, we all burst out laughing when we heard that. Just because he's just making fun of himself big time. I know Will will probably love to see that shirt at some point. It really was just funny that he really does make fun of himself constantly on stage and anytime he talks. I think that's why I like him even more, because he self-deprecates all the time.

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Oh yeah. He kept, you know, he was like, I'm totally gonna mess up this next song. And then he's like, okay, I didn't mess it up so much, but this next one, I'm really, what'd he say? I, I'm, I'm really gonna shit the bed and kick it out and continue. Yes. And I should state that when the show started, it actually kind of started slow and it didn't look like they were mailing it in, but it looked like they were stuck in like mud. They kind of just started out slow and his, he was kind of,

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into it. His vocals were good, it's just he wasn't enunciating how he does. And then he got a few songs in, and then they started delving into some of the older material, and then all of a sudden the light switch just turned on. Again, it wasn't bad, it was still very good. He just seemed to be kind of like they were feeling the motions, and I think when they got to Deadhead, I mean, he just, like, the floodgates opened, and it was full on Devin Townsend, the Madman.

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As I like to say, he's not mad. I just like to say it because he does go a little nuts on stage. Oh, yeah. I like how he'd just be like, like the hands on either side, like cupped. And he'd just be like lifting them like, yeah. And of course, the crowd just goes wild. And I should say, I don't know if you've seen him with me now a couple of times. Frog Power being a really big show, but I don't know if you noticed, but it was kind of a festive crowd. He got a pretty good crowd for a

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Thursday night in Baltimore. There were local support, and sometimes you think, oh, well, a bunch of people come for the local support, then they'll split. A lot of the crowd stayed. I mean, it was a good size. I don't know if it was sold out, but it was, I would say, like 85% full, 90% full, I guess. We weren't sandwiched in there, but there wasn't really much open room either. No, there was a little bit by the soundboard, which I was surprised. Usually people like to stand there for the protection, but it was a festive crowd. I mean, there were people, there were a lot, you can't

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I could hear people singing more there than I could for bigger bands when I see them, which was kind of cool. A lot of singing, a lot of, not a lot, but a fair amount of look-like pit action up front. Yeah, there was a lot of headbanging, and a lot of the headbanging were from old farts like myself. I woke up this morning, I was like, why is my back sore today? And I was like, oh, shit, I was kind of headbanging last night. And then when he did Bad Devil, everybody was like, I don't even know what, I don't know dancing enough to know what it was, but it was like,

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It was like sort of an old-timey kind of... Yeah....like a shuffle or something. I don't know. It was people were getting down with their bad selves. I mean, there was that group next to us. There was those three guys and that one girl, and they were all like interlocked arm-wise, and they were literally just all bouncing up and down and head-banging together and singing. And I was like, this is actually very... It was a cool setting. You know, again, if you're a fan of his and you get the whole shtick on stage to add the crowd,

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participation makes it even more fun. At least for me it does.

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And, you know, he was saying that one of the songs was going to be about testicles. But he got it wrong. I believe March of the Pusers is the one he was referring to, but that didn't come for another couple of songs. And he was talking about, this is what we were mentioning earlier, he was talking about the keychain down at the merch booth, which is like apparently a pair of testicles.

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And he riffed on that quite a bit. Yeah, and it kept getting more and more after he brought it up, which is kind of funny. But yeah, it was, the show became bigger and bigger as it went on. Yeah. You know, and you're right. So the testicles became bigger and bigger as it went on. He's like, it's not really a pair of testicles in case you're worried about it. It's actually a very small,

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And then as the music kicks back into high gear, he's like, with really big testicles! Yeah. He also did something else in the song that he said that he was really going to fuck up bad. And I know TR would kind of look like, what is he doing? He actually stopped playing guitar during his guitar solo, and he hummed the guitar solo. He was like, dun-dun-dun-dun, like that.

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String Change, Different fret, Literally Saying These Things. And I know some people might get annoyed by that, but I thought it was really funny because he said, well, I'm going to fuck it up anyway, so I might as well just not play it. Yeah. So yeah, it was good. And the set list, I think we all talked about, but I was really happy with the set list because while there were some regular standards that he plays a lot in there, like Super Crush and

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and truth.

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He pulled out some songs I haven't heard in a long time, including

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one song I'd never heard before.

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He pulled out Canada from Terria, which

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I was really happy that he did that.

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That was very cool.

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That might have been the one.

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I wanted to ask you about it.

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He started to play a song, and next to me, you were like, oh!

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Like somebody had just goosed you.

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Like, what the?

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And I think that might have been that song.

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You were just shocked.

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Because Jeff, I think, tapped me on the shoulder. And he says, what is this? And I said, he's playing Canada off of Terra. And his eyes just opened up twice the size. He's like, get out of here. I was like, yeah, he just said he's playing Canada. I was very surprised. And I don't know if you noticed this, but I picked up on it. He played three songs in the show that he's covered. So he was covering himself. So the songs Truth, Hyperdrive, and Kingdom were all recorded previously.

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that he's redone them over the course of the last couple albums, which is kind of funny, I thought. And with those songs, you know, he's added Annika Van Geersberg and his vocals on them. But I thought it was because people would think that like the song Truth is off his last album, Transcendence, but it's actually a really old song from Infinity back in the 90s. Right. So I kind of like that he still plays those songs because Hyperdrive is another one.

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he does the ziltoid version which is the original version when he plays with

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annika he does the version from the album addicted so i just something i noticed that's all

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interesting stuff i i i've got all his various albums now and i've started listening to them

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but there's so much stuff that i just have not gotten as familiar with all of it as i probably

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I have by now, because I tend to go, oh, I want to listen to the one I know. And so I put on Transcendence or, you know, one of the more recent ones. And I every once in a while, I go back and I throw on one of the older albums and start listening to it. And I've liked everything that I've heard. To be perfectly honest, the guy can seemingly do no wrong at this point, as far as I'm concerned.

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Well, I think what, not to cut you off, I'm sorry, but I think you might agree with this. I think what I like about his catalog is you don't have to like everything. There's so much. And he goes in a lot of, even though they all sound the same, he goes in so many different directions with each album. You can say, because I'm looking at my, I have my player up. I use a thing called Music B for my collection. I have 25 albums in there of his right now that I'm showing.

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Some of these I'm like, eh, they're okay. And I don't feel bad that I don't like an album. I mean, there's just so much material that he puts out. It's crazy. Yeah. So, because there's really nothing that I've heard that I'm like, ah, I don't really like that. I mean, it's varying degrees of that's awesome or that's at least kind of cool. And on the way driving home last night, I talked to Jay because, you know, when it's after midnight and you're driving, who can you call? The guy on the West Coast that's still early.

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So I was talking to Jay on the way home, and I said, you know, Devin could sing the phone book, and I would find that very interesting, because not only would it be beautiful, it would be creative, and it would probably be damn funny.

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Yeah, there'd be some weird, crazy thing he'd bring up that would be completely inappropriate, because he made reference that last night that he says a lot of inappropriate things, and it would all be done in such an operatic falsetto voice that you would say,

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Wow, that's really cool. Who is Thomas Flatbottomus, you know, and just totally go off on this. And so, yeah, he's just so not like anybody else. As I said, he's so original in his character and charisma and just the style he plays is, you know, I mean, nothing else really sounds like that particularly. I mean, maybe that's my lack of prognus.

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speaking, but to me, it's pretty original.

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Yeah, and while he's lumped in prog metal now, I mean, early on, he was all industrial metal, especially if you're into strapping young lad. That's just full on. The early stuff is just full on industrial metal.

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I really wanted to listen to some of that on the way home. I was like, you know, I really want to go back and hear the heavy stuff, but I forgot my iPhone adapter, and so I had to listen to the radio.

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I couldn't do that.

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Yeah, I mean, anytime you want that, you just throw on City or Alien, and it's just speaker explosion.

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Yeah, so that's my first, like, what are you going to do after the Super Bowl?

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I'm going to listen to Strapping Young Lad after our year-end.

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And then it's like Christmas music and classic rock for the rest of the year, because I'm going to be tapped.

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Now, also, you can listen to Physicist, one of his early albums, solo albums, which is the closest thing he's done to strapping, which is the album, the song Kingdom, which he put on the album Epic Cloud, is actually from Physicist back in 2000, so he re-recorded that. But it's got the same kind of feel on it. Excellent. So anything more on the show itself? No, I mean, it ended up, despite, you know,

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I know probably everyone gets tired of hearing this, but driving to Baltimore is just a

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royal pain in the ass, even though it's only 50 miles away. But despite all that, it was good to hang out.

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And it was nice that the place, the line of Google Garden, whatever, wasn't that crowded. But it started to pick up, but it never felt like it was becoming, you know, unbearable with people screaming and yelling. So we hung out. We only had to walk a block to the venue. We walked right in. Got a good place to stand.

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I was a little concerned about the fact that there was literally no security. We just walked up, got a wristband, and walked in in the Scandor ticket, and we walked in. I could have had like 12 guns in my pants, and nobody checked that shit at all. In Baltimore. Yeah. You know. Yeah. That was a little disconcerting, but. You know, and then you look at the crowd, and it really was just a total prog nerd crowd. I mean, it was. But yeah, I agree. I mean, you would think that's a good thing.

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I think there would be more.

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So then we get out of the show and go head back to the parking garage.

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And I have to tell the guy, hey, I need to get out.

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My code doesn't work.

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And they completely changed companies between when I parked and when I needed to leave.

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Like one company gave possession of this garage to another company.

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So the guy's like, yeah, we've been just charging people a flat rate of $10. I'm like, well, I already fricking paid. You know, I'm not going to pay again just because from the time that I parked, it's now a different company. I don't, I don't understand. I still don't know what that means. A management company took over. Like, so company A was running this garage up until 9 PM. At 9 PM, it switched hands to company B who was like, well, you didn't pay us.

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And I'm like, I'm not gonna. That's really strange. And so maybe you were behind me. So you probably saw the guy go and walk into the office and converse with somebody. And then they just like lifted the gate and let me out. And I'm like, damn straight. I think I heard the guy yells at a panda parking. He's like, yeah, just, yeah. He's like, let him out then. Yeah. It's weird. Although when we were there earlier, it was pretty dead in the power plant. And when we left, there's, I guess, some like club quote unquote there.

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Yeah, I wanted to look and see what was going on there because the whole time you had your back to the window in lining Kugel and I was facing the window and the whole time we're in there, I noted it was like women, like 99% women just going by in groups of like four and five and going up the stairs to presumably if it's the country bar that's still up there next to Angels Rock Bar, which I don't even know if that's still there.

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Yeah, I saw the Angels Rock on the banner right there. So yeah, I'm assuming it's still there. But presumably they were at the country bar because when I was in there, that was like all women where all the guys are in the Angels Rock bar. But yeah, I was curious to what it was because it was just this constant stream of them, yet they all went upstairs and disappeared. And then when we got out, it was like the Beatles had just arrived in America. There's just screaming girls everywhere. And I was like, we were like, what the?

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Yeah, it was just getting out of something. It was really loud. Yeah. So I don't know what was going on there. It's weird because like the downstairs open air bar, I've never as many times we've been there, I've never seen them use it. Just people kind of hang out and stand in that open area, but the bar is never open. Yeah. So then on the drive back, I got a little bit of adrenaline. There was an accident on, I guess it was 95.

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I think I'd like you come on 395 to 95 and I was waiting to get on 695 and I'm like looking at my phone to look at and look at the map to make sure I'm like okay I gotta go here and go there and and I look up as I'm driving through debris I'm like the planet ain't here kid it's just a bunch of space rubble and I'm like it's like the the highway just suddenly went like a dirt road because I was just like hitting all this stuff and I look up and there's a car

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I think it happened so fast so I'm probably making half of this up but I swear there's a car in front of me and a car in the right lane a little further up and I had to like swerve around the one car doing like 60 and then swerve out of the way so I don't hit the other car and then try to miss somebody that's coming over all while like just going through all this like chunks of car parts.

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It was crazy. Yeah, I don't know where we were in terms of location on the 95. I happened to see a bunch of lights all in one spot, and it didn't look like they were moving. The taillights were getting bigger. And I didn't notice a car just limping off to the side, kind of like just slowly moving over. And then I realized, oh, shit, there's an accident that literally is just happening right now.

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And I made the mistake of going through between the two cars as opposed to going around on the left side because I went through the debris too. And I was worried because I went over a huge chunk of fender that was in the middle of 95. And when I passed the car, and I think I went over like five miles, I mean, I went over real slow. But the only reason I was able to do that is because I noticed it down. It was like, I don't know if it was a quarter. I don't think it was a quarter mile, but it was close to that when I saw the lights.

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If it wasn't for that, I would have just blazed right through that thing like you. Yeah. Because it happened that fast. I'm trying to figure out. You went a different way to get on than I did. I turned left at Light Street? Something like that? You went down along Inner Harbor and came back up. So I went down to the street that you turn on at Butt Stadium. Not that this makes any difference to anybody. That leads you out. Conway? Not Conway. On the 395? Yeah, yeah.

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I went down to that and made a left onto that. So then you just go straight right by the stadium. So you were either right behind me or right in front of me. Yeah, and I hit every light. So I think I probably was just before you. I think I think I just got past you. So I may have literally just been a second or two behind the accident when it happened. Because I did see the one car move off to the side of the road. And people were slamming on their brakes to try to get around it. So yeah, I

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I never even touched my brake pedal. It happens, you know, you look up and you're like, oh, fuck. And you just, I told my wife it was like highway slaloming. I'm just like, left, right, left, right. Don't hit anything. Yeah, it was crazy. It really was. And I would almost suspect that somebody out there is going, did you get the plate of that crazy asshole that barreled through the accident scene? Yeah. Hopefully, I don't think anyone got hurt.

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It didn't look like it. Then again, I don't know, because the one car was sitting literally in the middle of 95, which if you're not from the, if you don't live anywhere in the East Coast, 95 is probably the busiest interstate, I would say, in the country. Especially between, you know. Baltimore and DC. Baltimore and DC is just so rough. And hopefully nobody plowed through that and caused any more damage. This is pretty bad. Yeah. So that woke me up. I was a little tired.

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But, like I said, I called Jay and I told him about it and talked about the show a bit.

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Yeah.

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And I was, again, it happened so fast, I didn't really get a look at the vehicles.

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And so I was like, oh, God, I hope that wasn't John.

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Yeah.

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When you sent a text, I thought, oh, George is checking to see because I didn't know which way you went.

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I just didn't know how you were leaving the city.

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So I didn't know you were going that way.

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So I wanted, I don't like to text and drive, personally.

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I don't like doing it.

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I dictated it.

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Yeah, and I have to do that. So the reason I didn't respond was because I was in the midst of a huge group of trucks for a long time that were all navigating with each other. I just got caught in this big group, and I just put the phone down. I said, this is too late. I just saw an accident. I'm not even touching that thing, which I don't like to do anyway. Exactly.

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Yeah.

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Other than that, great show.

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Yeah, great show. Definitely. Like I said, usually I've got so much hype leading up to a show. I'm listening to stuff by the band and then you see the band and you leave the show and you're like, I'm going to put on something completely different. It's one of those rare times when I wanted to hear more. And, you know, and I was disappointed that I didn't have my attachments that I could play some stuff in the car. So. Well, after tomorrow, you can overdose all you want. Yep. Today is all about listening.

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I'm listening to my number one just to make sure that it is in fact my number one

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and I've completed my we're doing a top five album covers album cover artwork as well I

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completed that list this morning so okay so you were saying it was going to be this monumental task for you and I'm assuming it wasn't that bad

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Well, I decided that I was using my list and honorable mentions as the pool from which I was choosing. Okay. Because otherwise, there's no way in one day that I could check out album art for all the albums that came out this year and make a reasonable decision. So I just went through the ones that were, you know, the 50 plus albums that are between my list and the honorable mentions.

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And some of them I knew right away. I'm like, yeah, I know that one. I don't like that one. That's boring or there's nothing on it. And, you know, we all sort of had a number one in mind. And there was another one that I knew off the top of my head. I was like, oh, definitely that one. And so then I just had to come up with three more that I was like, yeah, these are really cool. So. So I use basically any album in my collection and then a couple ones I kept in mind.

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that were not in my collection, but I'm positive we may hear somebody talking about them tomorrow. So I limited to that. But that's still over 100 albums. But it made it easier than worrying about stuff that I didn't buy and I missed during the year. I just didn't even care at that point. What's the point? I'm not that much of an art, you know, appreciator to go that deep into it. I definitely am. Yeah. So but at some point, you're right. Where do you stop?

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You say, okay, this works. I'll just work from this pool because it could be too much. But as we're talking, because I haven't done mine yet, I have one. As we're talking, I've already got three that I'm dead set on. Literally, I'll be done with this in about two minutes. Right on. Make that four. There you go. We put a lot of thought into these lists. Hey, trust me, these are badass album covers. Yeah.

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I really like all of mine for various reasons. One of them isn't, I shouldn't say much about it, but it's detailed and different from typical art.

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Well, you know, as people will hear coming up soon from our last podcast, we were talking about an album cover and where it came from originally.

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And I'm a big fan of an image portraying what you're either reading or listening to.

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You know, or for that matter, you know, Billboard art for movies can sell you so hard.

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You can see so much in just one image.

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And so I was always a big fan of that.

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In fact, one of my five is laid out as if it were a movie poster.

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Yeah, I love that stuff.

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So, um, it's, uh, yeah, I, I may, yeah, I'm thinking I'm done. All right. I think I have honorable mentions now. Oh no, I'm not going there. I think, I think we'll probably open with that. I, I was going to suggest that we all talk later. Yeah. All right. Well, we'll, uh, we'll wrap this up now and, uh, send you packing until the next episode. Yep. See you later.

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Later.