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Now, here is the podcast, Metal Heads Podcast.

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Hello and welcome to the Metal Heads Podcast.

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My name is George.

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This is Jay.

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And this is John.

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And this is Andreas from Perihelion Ship.

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And this is Jani Kontinen, the former keyboardist of Perihelion Ship.

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What?

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Thank you for joining us, guys. It's been about a year since we had you guys on to talk about your first album, A Rare Thunderstorm in Spring. And now you're back with your second album, To Paint a Bird of Fire. But before we go into the album, I want to shed a little bit of light on what you just happened to mention about the band roster situation. So what's going on there? Yeah, during the summer, we... I think... I haven't shared a date, but Jani mentioned that he wanted to focus on his work.

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And then he just actually found, conveniently found us a really good new keyboardist and he's been playing from the beginning of summer ever since. His name is Pirka Maximainen, very strange name even for a Finn. And after a month, maybe after that, also our bass player Jouko also said that he wants to focus on his work and he wasn't feeling so motivated.

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I got motivated, motivated, motivated, motivated, motivated, motivated, on the band stuff.

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Jeez.

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Well, and this is quite funny, actually.

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The bass player from mine and Jani's old band, Velen, is also my, what do you call this?

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He was in the same university than me.

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And he texted me the day before Jouko, our old bass player, told me that, "Do you have any bass player ready?" And Jouko, next day on Sunday, Jouko told me that he wants to quit. So then I just texted Mikael Aalto, the new bass player. Serendipity. Yeah. They're like rats leaving a sinking perihelion ship.

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You've been practicing for that two weeks. Yeah, that's like my big moment. Okay, that's it, I'm out. Thanks for stopping by, Jay. You're good going now. Despite Yanni being a total poser who doesn't want to make metal anymore, we still are going to let him be here. Yanni's only making synthwave now. But hey, Yanni, if you're only making synthwave, George is going to be your number one buyer on band. Do Dungeon Synth.

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Yeah, but yeah, I was sort of really, the previous album really, you know, it was so much work and it somehow, and I was doing a lot of my personal work at the same time and it sort of, it was just too much, you know, I had to, you know, work on the weeks and then it was like tweaked the synths on the weekend like 14 hours a day and then

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And again, again, back to work and it just took a toll, you know, so I just thought I needed at least a break. And then, but I wasn't leaving immediately, but I just happened to find this new guy, Pirka, and he was so perfect. So I figured, you know, if he wants to join, then what the hell, he is as good as me, if not even much better. So you found your own replacement? Yeah.

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Wow, man, that's a really pleasant way to leave a band. He's much better. Well, this is a win-win, that is what it sounds like. So, like, a year from now, when Yanni gets the bug to start doing music again, he's going to start another band, and it's going to be called Perihelion Ship of Fire. Exactly. And then there'll be, like, a rivalry. Or you can talk the other keyboardist into joining Perihelion Ship of Fire, and then he can come back. It's a whole thing.

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And then you do a reunion tour. Yeah. Well, it's nice of you to have joined us in any case. And I can tell you, I certainly understand what it means to have a job that you have to do. And, you know, it's hard to juggle things. So I can appreciate the situation for sure. This is sort of your last hurrah. We were joking the other day that this was a script for your Requiem that I was writing up for this episode. You know, making the joke.

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Yeah, you better place the Blind Guardian song in the intro instead of that Throws on Blood guy. Yeah. Don't be messing with my Joel. But yeah, just to add something to the fact of the thing about leaving the band. I also think that the album in a sense represents almost everything I could have to offer.

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I could come up with something else but keyboard wise I don't think I can you know that's that's like the the pinnacle yeah yeah it's sort of like what Bill Bruford said about when he was playing with yes on close to the edge that he just didn't see how it was like possible to continue from that and I think it's kind of the same deal of course because I'm comparing myself with Bill Bruford which is totally fine of course but you know

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Hopefully it doesn't end up like it did for Yes on their following album, Tales from Topographic Ocean, because if that's the case, Bill made the best career move ever, in my opinion. I have six 20-minute songs ready. And that was a great fall, too, because Close to the Edge is great. That's like the height of them getting a little fancy-pancy, but without going off into wherever they went after that. Agreed.

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You know, I know we've got a lot to talk about here, but I just want to kind of say first and foremost that I really like the thematic kind of continuation on the album cover for the new one. I obviously use the same artist. Or maybe not, obviously. Yeah. But it appears to be. Yeah. Yanni can explain more about that because Mikko is

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Good friend and because also Jani wrote the lyrics so he told Mika more about the theme of the album so yeah let's elaborate a little we'd like to like to hear about it yeah so I guess it's almost the same story that it was with the first one that we sort of well well yeah the best way to describe is

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That's probably what you said, that it's a continuation of the style, sort of, that it would be kind of sad to see the watercolor painting disappear, you know, because it's, I think it's something we thought a lot about with Andreas in the beginning, because we like those, you know, Roger Dean. Is that his name from Yes? Yeah. Yeah. And overall, you know, the sort of

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I really... How would you say? I don't want to say art. Not artificial. Yeah. So, sort of... I guess it's sort of an analog thing, if you think about it. Okay. Because if it's, you know, done digitally, you know, with Photoshop and all that stuff, it doesn't really... Our roots are still with, you know, the analog side of things. Didn't you say that the album was all done analog, no digital?

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Of course there was digital stuff involved, but yeah, this was much, much, much more, you know, much less samples. Yeah, the drums are actually real drum sounds, no samples. We discussed this with Chris, the producer, and it's a really good drum sound, especially, and no samples.

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to this, but just my final thought on this, I guess. But with the Roger Dean thing, first off, that's why I think one of the things I like about these covers is they sort of seem of the same world, you know? Like, these could be going on opposite ends of the mountain here, the images from your album. So I like very much that you seem to be building a little bit of a world there. Yeah, the dude on the first one's going, whoa, look at the naked lady! They're really in it. But you know what, Jay? You bring up a good point. I think what this does is it kind of sets

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That's Perry Hanley and Ship aside from everybody else now, if you're in on this kind of music, you would know who they were by the album covers, too. And that goes a long way. It's like when you see a Maiden cover, you know immediately who you're looking at, you know, and so it stands out. So I think that's kind of nice about the covers that I like. And they're nice looking covers. I mean, your buddy did a good job on them. Yeah, I think he improved even or he went sort of the extra mile with this one because he

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I think I saw in him that he went through the same thing as me. It started to be a bit of a struggle there in the end to get it done and stuff like that. But sometimes you just have to sort of bleed for the stuff. Yeah, for sure. How did the whole process for this album come about?

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Not a part. You know, did you say, hey, I've got this story I want to tell and I wrote all these lyrics, let's write some music for it? Or, you know, did that all come after the music was written? Note that this was one and a half year ago now, so it might be a bit hard to remember, but maybe I also remember. Yeah, I think it started, Jani wrote like maybe one verse or something, and it was the first.

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"A New Sun Rose" - Empty Alone.

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Tulein ensimmäisen kouluttiin.

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Tulein, ja sitten kirjoin kouluttiin.

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Kouluttiin yli yli yli yli yli yli yli yli yli.

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Then we hit the drum recording session in September. It was actually just right after the, or before the first podcast. Okay. Oh, right on. Yeah, I think so. I think it was same day, the drum recordings or something. Yeah, yeah, I think so too. And that was the funny part was that Anzu said on that podcast that we were just recording drums and they're almost finished.

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Kicks were a bit loose, so we have to do those again. So now, one year later, Jari has been doing a shitload of double kick drums, and we finally got it. Wow. I mean, obviously he's not been doing this 9 to 5 for a year, but my God. Years, wow, that's dedication. That was a joke. Oh, it was a joke? I fell right into that, didn't I? Yeah, but we did have a

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A.J., they're not Tool. Come on, give them a break. Yeah, oh my god. That record's never coming out. No. When is the album officially releasing? First of October, yeah.

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Okay, so right around then this is probably going to post. Maybe a little bit after that. Depends on how quickly I edit. So make sure to check out Bandcamp and pick this up. And while you're there, pick up a Rare Thunderstorm in spring as well. Did you say it was October 1st? Is that what you're saying? Yeah, 1st of October. I noticed it currently has a low, low price tag of 999 euros on it. Yeah, I was actually about to say about that because when I put two songs,

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for the streaming. But the price was €8. And I noticed that, fuck, one guy has already bought it. And you can download all the songs if you buy it. But even though they are not streaming, I thought BandCab has this kind of no download option if you put it not on stream or something. And well, I'm glad I noticed because only one guy got it. So, of course, you have already heard it because I sent it to George earlier. Yeah, we've got it.

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Yeah, and we were lucky. We've been getting sort of piecemeal clips through the past year, just like, you know, hey, here's an album cover. Here's like some words. Here's like a snippet of recordings. And it was satisfying to finally get the full thing and give it a listen. And damn, it's good. It really is. Yeah, we should have started there. It's good. Yeah, we should have led with that. I mean, it is. I think it's a definite progression.

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For people who like the first record, they're still going to like this one. There's no question about that. I love it.

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I wanted to, before we moved on from it, how you mentioned you set the price super high on Bandcamp. That's funny because I just noticed the other day I was trying to fill in all the gaps in my Panopticon discography, and they released a song exclusively on Decibel.

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It was one of the Flexi Disks. I didn't realize this at the time. I just knew that looked at the discography said, OK, there's a song I need. And I found it on Bandcamp and it was part of a Decibel Metal and Beer Fest promo thing. And it was listed for six hundred and sixty six dollars. And I was like, did they miss a decimal point there? You know, and then at the bottom it says this is not intended for purchase. It's just for streaming.

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Yeah, but if you purchase it, I can get the money. Yeah, exactly. If you're stupid enough, we'll take your money. So anyway, so another thing you got going on with the album is right now you've got an Indiegogo crowdfunding thing going on for a vinyl version of the album, along with various packages where you can get CDs, vinyl, shirts, what have you. As of today, there's still 17 days left.

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And I believe you were up to 80%. So it seems like it's going pretty well. Yeah, I have to step it up a little bit. Maybe it really is a playthrough video or something. I'm so out of material to put anymore for promotion. Just to put something out. Because I know that's the way to get money and people are excited. Okay, it's probably not my thing, but if I want the money, I need to do it. I know John and I.

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We signed up.

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Yeah, thanks for the contribution I noticed.

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Hopefully we'll get everything done because this album was specifically designed for vinyl because I set the time limit to 43 minutes, 42 minutes.

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Just so it will fit on two sides.

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Yeah, I guess that could be mentioned. When we started doing it, we talked about that we would want to do a vinyl and we could sort of like, we already in the beginning sort of like told Chris, the guy who mixes our stuff, that don't limit the shit out of it and try to make it warm and analog and dynamic.

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so that the needle won't fly into your eye when you are placing it on the turntable.

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You guys are vinyl guys, aren't you? If I remember right, I apologize, but I'm pretty sure we spent some time talking about that last time.

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Yeah, well, I am, but I'm not like you guys.

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An addict.

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You buy the special. You buy your Holy Grails and stuff.

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Yeah.

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Did you get anything special? I'm sure it's been a while, but is there anything special you've gotten lately that you were like,

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Thank God I got that. No, there's a, you know, there's those usual suspects that show up on Viscogs and then they go in like four hours or something and I never, and then I would have to sort of buy something like just for the sake of buying it. So, so I think still the previous one is the, uh, or wait, no, I got one actually. Yeah, it was the Psychotic Waltz album, which I got, but after our podcast. Right, right.

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But yeah, we're not, how would I say, we're vinyl guys, but we're not like addicts that we also buy them, but we don't, you know. You have a problem like we do. Yeah, yeah. Don't have the money also. 5,000 euro turntable and 100,000 vinyls. Yeah, right. Only 97,000, not 100,000.

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Yeah, I'm basically out of room. I've got like eight, I think, of those IKEA cubes full, plus piles stacked on top. So I'm pretty much under mandate to stop, which means to me in my brain, just the really good stuff. Mandate being your wife. You said it, not me.

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Yeah, I noticed John has some records there behind. Oh, yeah. CDs here, and then I got my vinyls over in this little area over here. And then I've got like probably four or five hundred albums in California at one of my aunt's house that I haven't brought back with me that have been sitting there for I don't know how long. Kind of embarrassing. It looks like you live in an airplane hangar where you shelve all that stuff. Yeah. I wish.

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house for all my shit so by the way i just uh we probably or also probably

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noticed that will is not here was he so uh is he still so hangover from the iron maiden episode

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you could tell huh i thought he was pretty drunk yeah oh come on that's well i tried i i honestly tried

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Selective Editing to make it not too bad. I took up most of the embarrassing stuff. But yeah. That's why it was so short. It was originally three hours. Yeah. We had a little short episode. The Iron Maiden. Lost Tales. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was only like 42 minutes or something like that. But that's just because. We had a lot of fun. Yeah. It was just. I don't know. There really wasn't a whole lot to say.

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I mean, I did cut out some stuff. Mostly I'm joking, but I did cut out a few things that were just either irrelevant or, you know, just embarrassing. But yeah, there just wasn't a whole lot to say. It was like, yeah, it's Iron Maiden. We've seen him a million times. This wasn't as good as the rest. So there you have it. But yeah, unfortunately, Will couldn't join us today. Everybody's schedule's being so complicated and we're getting ready to head into the holiday season, which is going to make things even more complicated.

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So Will took one for the team and said, let's go ahead and do this today. And he'll just be here next time. And you know, he's our biggest fan anyway, so. Exactly. He'll come to the signings and. I don't think that he's not. In fact, I feel like he's said nice things about your music. He does. He likes the first album. He told me he does. We listen to it together. I don't know. I know that he likes Emperor Idea because it's the most death metal song. So.

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But I definitely, I'm not going to say what it is yet, but I definitely tailored today's top five list based on the fact that he was not going to be here. Because that definitely is out of his wheelhouse. Because he would have only chosen keytar players. Howard Jones, man. Howard Jones. No, isn't it Will not know who Howard Jones was from the last episode?

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Who was that didn't know that? Remember? Yeah, he was like the kill switch engage guy. I was like, uh, nope. The original Howard Jones. I saw him recently and he played a guitar. A keytar, I mean, rather. Yeah, he plays a lot of different keyboard things. He was pretty impressive, to be honest. Keytar is the moment in your life when you just know that you hit rock bottom.

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I had to go back and review from the last time, but do you guys play live? Well, we haven't played for a while. The last gig was in last year, November. Okay. Yeah. But we're going to start ginging a little more now. Was it the one that went like shit? Because you got rid of Yanni and the new guy's really good, so it's okay to play live? They're more excited to play live.

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He was never so much interested in live playing as much just record making.

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Right.

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That's true.

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Who we were just talking to, Lyceum last time, he was saying that all his favorite black metal bands and the second wave black metal, you know, most of them never played live. They just made albums. So it's not an uncommon way to be.

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Especially these days, yeah. But it's nice to know that you are getting out there a little bit.

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And I'm going to switch gears on you because I think we sort of stopped a little while back there and I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about the story of the record. Yeah, sure. So you mean lyrics-wise or recording-wise? Yeah, lyrics-wise. Well, both, really. Yeah, well, I can speak for the lyrics and then Ansu can speak for the recording or composing. But the lyrics, they sort of be about

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and sort of rebirth theme. And then I read some Nietzsche way back and I sort of took his eternal return concept in there and made it sort of about this new day that begins with the new sun and then at the end the sun sets and there's a new sun again and you know that sun.

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Yeah.

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You know, it

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That was actually

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the question mark

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was Ansu's idea.

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I wanted it

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to be called

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Old Son,

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but

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but Ansu's idea

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of the question mark

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was really good,

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so I liked it a lot,

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so.

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It reminds me slightly

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of Finnegan's Wake

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by James Joyce,

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not to get all

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high-flown on your voice,

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but that book ends

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with the sentence,

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it trails off

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onto a sentence

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that actually is

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the beginning of the book.

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I like the circular concept I think that's a great idea yeah yeah exactly I'm sometimes bad at explaining these things especially in English but but but yeah that's that's very good and then I of course took the added whole thing with the Phoenix and the Firebird theme in there well because of the rebirth stuff and and

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And then of course there's tangents. I can't... The thing I noticed when we decided with Anzu that this could be a concept record, so the thing I noticed with the lyrics was also that sort of like halfway that it's impossible for me to write a, you know, like totally plot-driven concept album. It's just... It becomes that sort of... Well, I see it a lot with

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and some other bands that it becomes this like now this guy said this and this and you know it doesn't feel natural at all so stuff some stuff just has to be vague and you know obscure and and and and you just have to sort of like piece it together by yourself and maybe everything doesn't even make sense but but i feel but in the end end of the day i'm really happy with how they turned out i was afraid

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at first that I couldn't like get it together that it had gone on too many

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tangents but but I think if you read the lyrics and you know with the music and

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really like focus on them then I think you will get it did you have you read the lyrics George did you happen to have the lyrics I did I have not specifically read them like front to back in order I've like piecemeal but I did have a question uh when you write the lyrics

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Do you write them in English or do you write your ideas down in Finnish and then massage them in English? It's in English only. When we start studying in university, we switch to English pretty fast when we write essays and stuff like that. Of course, we're not the best English speakers in Finland.

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We are much better English speakers than we are Finnish speakers, let me tell you. Even Finnish pronouncers. Even if I don't even know what I'm saying, I can't pronounce it. It's how it is, but we do get a lot of English early on here, so it's not that big of a deal to write them in English immediately.

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also take them as sort of, how would I say, training exercises or almost like research that sometimes you have some like some sentence or something and you just want it to be like the correct, have the correct verb or something that it would like just the verb I'm looking for, but you don't have it yet. So then you have to like start to search like, you know, for synonyms and like really good words.

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go through it and you find that perfect verb or yeah there's this band that we wanted to get on the podcast i don't know a year or two ago called ode to sun uh from germany uh we all really liked their their uh both their albums and uh i contacted them or somebody i think it was i think it was me contacted them uh to be like hey you know would you like to come on the podcast and they were very uh

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But they're like our English no good

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We can write lyrics in English

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But we can't really speak it

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Maybe try some Frenchmans

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Also

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So that was unfortunate

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I reached out to

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Writing Christ too and they

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Barely speak English

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As long as they've been doing this

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They're Greek aren't they

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Yeah

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Or at least the guy I reached out to barely spoke English. And it was, and he was like, you know. We're not going to do that to ourselves. Yeah. All right. Another question related to lyrics. Now that Yanni is gone, is the new keyboard player going to take that up? Or who's going to do that? It's always the keyboard player. Yeah, that's totally up to how he wants to do it. I'm fine with writing.

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if he needs, but I, of course, understand if Andreas wants to take a stab at it by himself because he's never done it before, so it might also be interesting. Yeah. So you could be kind of like Immortal, where the one guy quit, but he would still write songs for him. Did I have that thing going on? I don't know. I didn't know that either. Is that true, George? Yeah, no, there was somebody in Immortal, and I think it might have been a guitar player or something, and he couldn't...

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He couldn't play anymore or something. Or he just didn't like touring or something. And so I thought he still wrote words, at least for a while. I think actually maybe a better example, not to say your example wasn't good, George, is maybe somebody like Sabotage, where John Oliva was in the band, but then he left for a while, but he was still writing music for them and lyrics, but he wasn't playing with them. He did that for a long time. I wonder if he's going to be on anybody's list today. No.

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Sorry, Andreas. I sort of, I think, cut you off when you were going to talk about what you intended to do. Yeah, well, Janne has already offered, as he said, that he can write something or help me write or something. But I don't have anything. I have one song halfway written that is instrumental. That's an easy one.

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So what's next for Perihallion Ship? I mean, you said you're going to try and play some shows. Record comes out the first. Yeah. What happens next? Well, I have to wait and we play some shows this winter. And maybe I already actually got an email from one guy I know that wants us to play in a small festival. Oh, cool. I think it's in like maybe

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Spring or something. Is it in Finland? Yeah, yeah. It's related to the Technical University of Helsinki. Tuska Open Air? Do they still do that? Tuska Open Air? Well, we would like to play there. I can guarantee that. Do they still do it? I haven't heard anything about it. Tuska is every year, yeah. Yeah, okay. But it's really expensive. I think once the two or three day they get it,

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It's like 117 euros or something incredible. Yeah, if they get to 2sky, I might be back in the band. Yeah. Then we have two keyboardists. Stranger Things. Hey, if we could get back just real quick to the album music-wise. You guys said that some of the material was written last year, and when you talked to us the first time, was there anything that was left over from the first album?

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new material when you guys started writing it. Because one thing I noticed on the album that I thought stood out a little more on this new one that stood out from A Rare Thunderstorm in Spring is that there's some more defining moments on this album. Specifically, like at the end of New Sun, you know, and then there's the riff in on the second side, because we're talking about vinyl here. So on the second side of the album, you know, Wind of No Echoes, you guys have some very defining moments that stand out that I after I've and I've listened to this.

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a ton. George and I have been talking about this a lot. There's just certain moments that I look forward to now on the album that they're going to come up that I'm going to get to hear them. That scream. Yeah. I guess my best example, and I know George and Jay would know what I'm talking about here, if you ever listen to Leviathan by Macedon, they have these defining riffs on some of the songs. Like at the end of Blood and Thunder, you just wait for that riff to come up. And I notice that you guys have a little bit of that here. So I didn't know if

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There were some moments that you guys had left over from the first album, or this was all just new material that you guys were just calling? Yeah, this was all new, basically. Okay. I don't really... Although Anto tends to sometimes write a riff that he really early on, that he really wants to be on the next material. I think I've heard that news on Main Riffs like now a million times and I can't hear it anymore because I've heard

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I've heard it as MIDI and I've heard it as... Demo and... Yeah, yeah. When we recorded drums and... Six different demo sounds and... Well, it's funny you should bring that up because I... When the band Ukiyaru came, they played at Atlas Brewing where Will has brewed and has a hand in a lot of the shows, a lot of bands that come through to play there. It's one of the questions I asked them. Their new album had just come out and I said, yeah, you have a new album out, but what are you guys looking forward to? I mean, are you sick of hearing

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in this new album that you've been working on for so long. And here you are, you bring that up. I've heard this riff so many times. I'm ready. I'm done. Well, you become kind of tone deaf to it after a while, don't you? At least, I mean, while you're working on it. Yeah. Like, why did I think this was good at some point? Because, you know, you no longer have that rush, you know, whatever. Jay, are you saying that when you're actually holding the finished product wrapped in cellophane? You're like, oh, shit, we actually went with this. Yeah. And at times,

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There's, at least to me, there was moments where it was that, you know, I can't take this riff anymore. I don't know what the hell I'm supposed to do with the keys here. I can't come up with anything, you know, total blackout, you know. I can't just take this, but, you know, then a lot of alcohol later, you know, just power it through, but... I feel like I'm hearing a heavenly choir from somewhere. I hope that's not just me.

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They're coming for you, Jay. At least it's the right one's coming for you. Well, with all that said, I think the new album sounds great. I've enjoyed it a lot so far. I'll tell you what, it's going to be on my year-end list. I'll say that I'm not tired of the riffs, so how's that sound? That's really good. I want to go back to that scream that I mentioned from Wind of No Echoes. How many takes did it take you to get that the way you liked it?

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It's the way it sounds because I mix the vocals and I run it through a guitar simulation amplifier. That's why it's so distorted and very black metal style. It sounds really good. It does. It's not really hard to do that kind of pitch, like quite high pitch scream, like old black metal style for a very long time.

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Can you do one right now? I'm going to clip the mic. Step back from the mic a little bit and rip one out. Okay, let's see. I always ask people to do this and nobody will ever do it. I think I'm going to do it. Fuck. All right. That was awesome. There's your clip from the new album coming out.

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And I went to the toilet. All right. You know what? Before he came back, we should have all kind of like just like. Yeah. Yeah. That's great. All right. You know, when I went to Valken recently, I was really hoping to. Originally, part of the plan was to come to Helsinki and maybe see you guys. But unfortunately, the money ran out and I only made it as far as Stockholm, which we know what Yanni thinks about.

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Sweden. Oh, that's right. Hold on. Let me get my phone out and look at what our little thread we have between us says. So speaking of Finland, what's the weather like if they're starting to turn fall-y for you? Like a little bit autumn? Yeah, leaves start turning. Leaves start turning, yeah. We just hit the official first day of fall, which I guess is the same in Europe. I feel silly for not knowing

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that. But oh man it's beautiful here this weekend. So and I was just in Europe too a couple weeks ago. So just like to be there in the fall. I can attest that it's definitely fall because my lawn looks like shit from all the leaves that I have to get picked up. So yeah I was just noting earlier I had looked out the window and they're starting to fall in earnest. Yeah. Raking. I hate raking. Can I just get rid of all the non pine trees?

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and just plant more pine trees. Okay. Yeah, anyway. Pine needles suck too, George. Trust me. Yeah, but I don't have to rake them up. Actually, that's not true. There is one big one in the back that if I don't rake up the pine needles, it kills the grass. Anyway. Are we on a PBS show right now? Literally, I almost heard screeching tires as if the podcast was coming to a grinding halt.

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on Nature in Maryland.

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I don't think we really said this when we started, but thanks so much for coming on again, guys.

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Not that you're necessarily leaving us right now, but yeah, it was really cool of you guys to kind of come back and talk to us again, because it's nice that we don't get to do that a lot where we talk to a band and now they're kind of at their next stage.

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And I mean, you guys put together a really great record that people are about to hear.

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So it's kind of really super cool to be able to check in with you guys.

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Yeah, and I will come here even though I'm not in the band.

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I will come on this podcast even though

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you would not want me I would

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we do watch you

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he'll just be our new member

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is that what's going to happen for the next album

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that George will say hey you know I may not

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have mentioned this you know as we were preparing the script

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but we have a guest visitor that's going to drop in

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on the podcast today

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yeah well last episode

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we'll

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christened Metalhead's podcast

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south now we're going to have Metalhead's podcast

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Helsinki

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Okay, did you talk about the scream already? Well, we were all knocked over by it. Yeah. We were speechless. I heard it all the way to the bathroom. But I wanted to say about it that we thought about, because the way I had thought about the lyrics there would be the sort of that it would have been a sort of really like agonist

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I don't know if you know the scream, but Burtzom does it on the early records where it's a sort of... it's almost sort of... I don't know if it's a scream even, it's more of like a high pitched yell or something. It's that sort of like torture shriek or something. Yeah, it's what also John Hong does in... In Agaloh a few times. Yeah. On a few songs. Black Lair. Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And not unlike the waves. Yeah, so that sort of scream. But I guess it's such a difficult certain technique that Ansu didn't just know how to do it. And this scream is totally fine. It's brutal as well. So there's no problem. But we thought for a few minutes that we could email John Holm from

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I got a lot to maybe do it. Well, he's not doing anything else now. But no, he is. Actually, he's got a new band. He's going to be here in Baltimore in a couple weeks with his band Pelorian. Yeah, I couldn't remember the name of the band. With Wolves on the Throne Room? Yes, it is. Yeah. All right, well, before we move on, just need to remind everybody you can get both of the Perihelion Ship albums on Bandcamp. So run right out there and get it, because

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you're stupid if you don't. Yeah, if you're a fan of the first album, you're going to be a bigger fan after this new album. That's my opinion. It's a monster. Not to give things away, but I think we all just sort of confirmed it's going to be on our year-end list. So if that has any currency with you, you know, or at least George wanted to shrug just to keep his a secret. No, that was a duh. Oh, yeah, okay, right on. So it gets the Metalheads podcast seal of approval and horns up and everything else, yeah.

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Nice, thanks. And it actually means a lot that it's on Jay's list this time around, because the previous album wasn't, so... I just checked him out for you. We've stepped up. You know, it's nice. But there are things I have to go back and correct in my life, and I did not, I have to be honest with you, I listened to your record, but I didn't spend enough time listening to it. Yeah, I understand. And so it didn't make the list, but now it's just like a regular thing that could go on with me once a month at least, you know.

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It has more clean vocals as well, so I'm surprised that you guys like it so much. Oh, yeah. A lot of the clean vocals are quite experimental. I tried to do this find a style for the clean vocals, like Peter Hamill from Wonder Graph Generator has a really distinctive style or something. It's awesome. Actually, I'm sorry we didn't comment on that more. We should have as we were talking about it, because I think the singing on it is exemplary. Yeah.

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We don't mind clean vocals. Yeah, I don't mind them at all. And it's great, though. You sound great. All right. Well, why don't we move on to the news? So I'm adding something last minute to the news. And it's going to be a bit of a long dope smoker style rant.

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So bear with me if you need to go to the bathroom or whatever. Well, I would like to go to the bathroom, but now I want to hear the rant. I prepared what I'm going to say ahead of time, so I would make sure to hit all my points. Oh, nice. What do you call those little cards or something? Yeah. He's got a teleprompter. This would have been more appropriate, perhaps, for the last episode when we talked about non-metal artists we like, but the news happens when the news happens.

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So, on Friday, two days ago, I started watching the Netflix Marvel Luke Cage series. And in one of the episodes, in Cottonmouth's Music Club, he's the bad guy, there was this guy singing on the stage. And his voice made me stop what I was doing and look up. He looked a little bit like James Brown, and sounded like a mix of James Brown and Otis Redding. He sang this great song relevant to what was going on in the show called Ain't It a Sin?

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to look up who he was so I could check him out. Yesterday rolls around. I'm on Facebook. And Chuck of Chuck and Godless from the Metal Podcast posts, not the Metalheads podcast, the Metal Podcast, posts that some guy named Charles Bradley just died. I looked at the picture and it was the dude from Luke Cage. I couldn't believe it. The day after I learn about this amazing singer, he's dead. It's a sad story. He was 68 years old, died from stomach cancer,

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like our dear Ronnie and didn't put out his first album until he was 62 years old back in 2011. He put out three albums between then and now and I listened to all three of them this morning. Brilliant stuff. I'm not ashamed to admit I shed a few tears this morning over the loss. So here's where this ties into us. His third and presumably final album was called Changes and on it he does an amazing cover of Black Sabbath's Changes which is who covers

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heavy metal songs if they're not even a rock band. And the single for the song even uses Black Sabbath volume for the cover theme, which is pretty cool. Now, I know the last episode's non-metal artists list may have rubbed some people the wrong way, though we've heard nothing but overwhelmingly positive feedback so far. But here's the thing. If you're one of those people that listens to metal and only metal, you're kind of doing yourself a disservice. It's not my place to dictate to you what you like, but look at it this way.

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If you really like pizza, and all you eat is pizza, doesn't that seem a little bit foolish? Me, I like a steak once in a while. Love me some Chinese. Now I'm the first one to admit that there's a lot of crap out there. Cookie cutter, pop, and rock music. And we've always railed against that crap. But there's a lot of really good non-metal music as well. And to shut it out because of some misguided high school us-and-them mentality is not only sad but tragic. When I was young, I felt the same way. I'm metal. I can't listen to anything but metal.

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because that would make me less metal. Why's bullshit? It's never lame or fake to expand one's horizon and maybe even understand where the roots of metal came from. People can only make you feel as dumb as you let them. So don't be afraid to enjoy other styles of music because even though I love classical and blues and jazz and soul and even pop, at the end of the day, I still know metal is king above them all. Well punctuated. Anyway, rest in peace, Charles Bradley, and thank you for the music.

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Sorry, I didn't know you sooner. The end. That was really nice. Sorry, I didn't want to scream to the dogs in the middle of your monologue. It was fine. I thought it was actually kind of funny to end on a bark. But yeah, so I realized I probably just ran through that really fast, which is good. It's the coffee talking. That's fine. I mean, I'm sure you're tired of hearing everyone give you shit about the dungeon synth. So, I mean, no.

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I couldn't agree more. It's really funny the timing of this because I just posted

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something myself both on my own personal Facebook page and on the Metalheads page that I got from you regarding Decibel Magazine and Metal Magazine talking about Metalheads taking a break and exploring different music.

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We had a lot of responses on the Facebook page too and people were like I'm so glad you guys did this and people put up some of their favorite stuff.

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It's not, I mean, I think. When you were maybe a testosterone-filled teenager, it was not cool to mention. But the other stuff you listen to, everybody in metal listens to other things. Yeah, and I think it's probably less of a stigma than it used to be. But I don't know, because now I'm old. I have no idea what the stupid little kids, sorry, the brilliant younger generation, are thinking these days in terms of that stuff. But I know 16-year-old me,

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You still hear certain people

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that's all they listen to

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and they just have to

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talk down about anything that isn't metal

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and they haven't even given it a chance

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Actually, you know, let me ask

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you guys over there

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on the other side of the water

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that's not such a thing in Europe

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I mean, in Europe I think people are a little

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less to condemn you

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if your tastes are a little broader

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than just metal

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Am I wrong about that? Maybe. But we of course only can say for Finland for the most part. Where it's more like, where it might be more, but then again we got a lot of the Finnish culture music, which is in Finnish again. And Finnish rap and Finnish pop and stuff like that. And I don't know if

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It's the best thing to be. Also, I just listen to Finnish music because everything foreign is bad. I don't know. I think it's to me it's mostly that if other music genres become sort of like a curse word then it's maybe a bit redundant because

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If you can't even mention, hey, I found this and this thing, and it's immediately you are like, who the fuck are you? But of course, I have to be able to say that something is shit if I think it's shit. Well, sure. I mean, like, Justin Bieber is shit, but like, Katy Perry is not necessarily, or Lady Gaga.

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here to contradict me on that one. But yeah, depends who you're talking to. So the point is, I'm willing to admit that I like songs by these people. And that was sort of the point of the exercise last week, which I think maybe we didn't go into some of the reasoning why we wanted to do that list. It wasn't just to embarrass ourselves, but it was to sort of to show that, you know, as metalheads, we are well-rounded and no more than just metal. Well, I think what happened to us when we did it, I think we all kind of started saying this, is that,

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minus maybe a few. And maybe a few times we kind of egged each other on by saying, oh, I hate that band or that guy. I think we all realize in the end, these aren't really that bad. And maybe they're not as questionable as I thought they were at first. I wanted to comment on what you mentioned about it being less of a European problem. And I've mentioned it several times that when I was at Vaken and just around Europe in general,

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I found that people just weren't like that. I think this is really a sort of an American-centric issue where people feel some sort of need to identify with only being metal and that's it. And it was really refreshing at Valken to be like, here we are watching, you know, a black metal band, but then we go back to our tent and they're cranking dance music all night in the tent area. So... Well, one thing I've noticed a lot from, like, American

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TV shows and stuff like that. There's a lot of stereotype that you dress a certain way. If you're the thrash metal guy, then you have the jean jacket or whatever. If you're the stoner metal guy, you dress this way. That I don't think we have. We might have a metal head in general. He has long hair and maybe a black hoodie or something.

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You got our number and I think that spreads through American culture and way more than just metal. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. But you know, in some of the circles I run in that's outside of with you guys, it's not as prevalent or strong. I mean, wait a second. You talk to other people. Yeah. What the hell? This is like, man, you can't talk to no idea we're allowed to do that. Yeah. So you pretty much just confirmed.

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you've just said already yourself. Jason Newstead, you're out of the band. Sorry, go on. No, I got it. I got the reference. Well done. But it's, I, but I do know what you're talking about because I find myself being somebody who loves progressive rock and metal. I find myself caught in the metal sometimes of the, if it's a metal head listening to progressive metal, they hate the prog part, but they like the metal part. And then inversely, if it's a progressive rock fan listening to it, they'll love the prog part.

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the prog portion of it and then they'll hate the metal so i do notice that a lot

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on my a lot of those kinds of people at least you can find it on the internet forums or oh yeah

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i mean opeth is a great example that i have friends who got into them when they got more prog rockish

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and they're like i don't like the early stuff i'm not a fan of that and it's like god god you're crazy

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you know and then uh i have the same issue with macedon fans i love the earlier stuff better than

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the newer stuff. And I'm a prog guy, and I don't like the prog part, but I have friends who just absolutely hate the first couple albums. So I think I see a lot more of that as opposed to somebody who won't listen to something that's a little different, at least from my perspective. We should also go on the record here and say you and I both dislike the new album, The Mastodon. Which one? They just put out another one. Yeah, that's coming up. I haven't heard that one yet. I haven't heard it either. But yes, Jay and I would agree on, we're not fans of the last,

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Yeah, that's a full-length release. Yeah, that's a cool... But what I love, for example, about John here is that, you know, you have been through, like, the 70s and, you know, the golden prog rock age. Not to say that you're old, but, you know... Oh, I'm old. But anyways, but you still like the...

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I tried to find one that said that sorry carry on yeah but my point was that you still uh like the how come you still like all the you know extreme metal stuff and did you just you know when the styles changed and you know these things you just had an open mind you know and you were just like hey let's check this out and then yeah I think for me at least because I'm still a few years older

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than George and Jay. When I got into music, it was... Right off the bat, Black Sabbath was really big. And Ozzy was really big in 1980. Because they had these comeback album kind of thing. But at the same time, all these prog rock bands were making so much... Their kind of comebacks. Be it some of the worst music they've ever put out before in their careers. But I kind of got both worlds at the same time. And we didn't have the exposure to music. It was FM radio and that was it.

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or your friends.

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So I was thinking back when we were talking about the guilty pleasures.

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I went back and pulled out all my records that I have in California.

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You could see anything from Sabbath, Priest, Maiden to something that's going to be like Don Henley, Jeff Beck, Peter Gabriel.

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I mean, it's all over the map because everything was on the radio together at that time.

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You know, I identified more with radio stations sometimes than I did with bands because I wanted to find a station and played my music.

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Whereas today I think you can hone in a lot easier on the one specific type of music you like and you'll just never leave that world because it's at your fingertips all the time. But I was asking because I see a lot of it, for example in Prague archives, you probably know the site, so I see a lot of the sort of mentality that, you know, it's the sort of people who they got into

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For example, Prague in the 70s. And they stayed there. They never came out. Everything new is shit. So it's always the next generation is always shit. And then they talk about their parents who hated their music because they liked Led Zeppelin and Led Zeppelin was always screaming. And then those parents were being shouted for listening to Sinatra because Sinatra was devil's music. And it's always the cycle repeats. It's the eternal return.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Oh, well done.

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But people like us break that cycle.

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Yeah.

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It's the new son.

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I have a question.

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I can answer that real quick, not to cut you off.

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I'm sorry.

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I don't want to forget this because I am old, so I forget things really fast.

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That was a nice little callback to the album, by the way.

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Yes.

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To answer your question, yes, that's one thing I dislike about Prague.

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I absolutely almost detest that mentality of, yeah, people won't lead to 70s.

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I was a Marillion fan when they first came out.

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And Marillion was kind of a dividing band at the time because, oh, they sound too much like old Genesis. They're ripping them off. It's neo-prog. And I was like, this stuff's cool, but so is old, yes, and Genesis. I like them both. And so I kind of skipped right over that staying in the 70s mentality immediately because I liked some of the 80s prog, you know, which now I hate most of it because it sounds like shit. But at that time, that's what happened for me. I didn't stay in that. I think John's a bit of a tool, dude.

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Jeez, Jay. Jay couldn't have said it any better. I think John's a bit of a tool, dude. Oh, that's good. I think we have a review on retrymusic.com. That's the only review of our debut album, this pro guy. Yeah, the music is really good and some nice Mellotron usage, but I fucking hate the vocals or something like that.

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That still happens. I mean, I know I get it, but that's weird to me. I thought we were past the whole I can't stand the vocals thing. I've got one of those coming up. Jay, real quick, I'll take a second. I have a friend, and this conversation comes up consistently about Mastodon every time. And he says, oh, I hate that cookie cutter or the cookie monster vocals. And it literally just drives me up the fucking wall when I hear cookie monster vocals. To me, it's pedestrian, the response.

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I think I know who this is. The scientific term is Dragon Voice. Yeah, well I would like that better anyway because there's some fire coming out of that. That's cool. But it just makes me mad because it's their way of demeaning the music I think because they just don't like the vocals. And you know, maybe I just don't like your clean vocals that you like on certain bands and it just comes up a lot. And he's a good friend, I like him and we go back and forth constantly on masses on a regular basis. But I just can't understand if someone

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Because I read one review on Progargason oped Still Life. And, you know, precisely that part where I first heard that and was totally floored, you know, when that, like, really deep Mikael Ockerfeldt's growl comes in and it just sort of shoots you in the wall, you know, because it's so massive and deep and amazing. And then someone thinks that, you know, ew, this is terrible. I just can't, like, fathom how that's

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Yeah, I know what you're talking about. It's the beginning of the more and that just makes the album awesome for me. Yeah, actually both more and Godhead's Lament. I would actually say that the Godhead's Lament growl when he goes deep there in the beginning, it's the most brutal death metal growl I've ever heard. The more is great too. Yeah, well, that whole album is just great, so we'll just leave it at that. That's my favorite too.

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Yes, it is. Not that I get to count because I'm not as much of a fan as you. And I'm not even that big of an Opeth fan. Yeah, but now we can go on to start bashing new Opeth. I don't mind it. It doesn't bother me. I'm not as a super fan of it, but I can still enjoy it for what it is. You can't do the same thing over and over again. I actually remember a year ago when we were on the podcast, the album had just dropped, Sorceress.

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And you had heard it because you got the promo, but we didn't. And you told us that it was really a step up and really positive. Did you guys ultimately agree with that? Well, I think there's two really good songs on there. Chrysalis and Era. But there's also Opet's worst song on there, which is The Wildflowers. I Can't Stand That Song.

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It's the first time

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Sorry, we're enjoying our new sound effects here

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I will say about that song

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It sounded like me anyway

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I will say about that song real quick

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I was not as fond of it when I heard it on the album

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I was like, uh, okay

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When I saw it live though, it's much better

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It's heavier live

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And I think that's maybe part of the problem for people who don't like their last few albums. They're better live than they are in studio. I liked it better than Pale Communion. Yeah, and I liked it better than Heritage too. Yeah, that's just, yeah. I know Will likes to give me a hard time about it all the time. And I like to point out that, you know, they never sold out. You know, nobody sells out to go to Prague. I've never heard anyone doing that ever. Yeah, Eri is a fantastic song. I listen to it like maybe once a week.

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And Chrysalis as well. I love that song a lot. To each their own, I guess. But I just hope he would, like, now that he's experimenting with so much stuff, that he would find some sort of direction also for the albums, because they're so, like, hit and miss now. He, like, he goes from place to place, you know, and it doesn't really feel that he has this sort of vision how a certain album should, you know, sound as a, you know, cohesive whole, like Still Life, for example, or Ghost Reverees, or Black

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It's more of like this, hmm, now I'm really liking Jethro Tull here. Let's do a Jethro Tull song now. And then he jumps to the next inspiration. Yeah. Well. Now there's a man who's got a record collection too, by the way. I'd like to spend some time on that. Oh, man, does he ever have a record collection. That's a house I'd like to break into. Yeah. Or be invited into. All in, can I check out your records?

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Yeah, that's probably my best shot. Yeah. All right. Well, to rein us back into the news, I know it's me that took us on the tangent, but yeah, so the original opening news item was another death. Quarthon's father and the guy who is the owner of Blackmark Records, known affectionately as Boss, has also died. Yeah, I don't know a whole lot about the guy.

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There was always sort of an air of mystery

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between Korthon and Boss.

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There were rumors that he was his dad,

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but then there was denials.

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And it wasn't until Korthon died that it was confirmed

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that he was actually his father, which was interesting.

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So I was sorry to hear about Boss's passing.

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It wasn't real super old, was it?

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It was like 68.

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I didn't catch an age.

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I saw it wasn't like if something came and got him let's put it that way I mean he didn't just die of old age so see he must have had something I'll look it up yeah that's what I thought I thought I read that he was there was something going on so and I read like at the tail end of the article it it said that in an interview somewhere I don't know how recently he had mentioned that there's an all kinds of unreleased bathroom material in the vaults I'm wondering if now that he is gone somebody's gonna go hey

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Let's cash in and release all this unreleased Bathory stuff. Maybe it sucks, but you know. We'll see. Maybe it doesn't. Yeah. Another thing that happened, the infant annihilator catalog was removed from Spotify for being deemed too offensive. Wow. Which is strange. I mean, infant annihilator isn't exactly the friendliest.

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of band names, but I mean, hello, Cannibal Corpse, you know, and I'm sure I haven't read any of the Infant Annihilator lyrics, but they can't be any worse than what Cannibal Corpse has going on. So, yeah, you know, and Cannibal Corpse isn't even the worst band out there either. I mean, there are other bands that even take it further than them. Yeah, personally, you know, I don't you don't like it. You don't listen to it. I don't know. I really enjoyed early Dying Fetus albums.

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They should tour with these guys. So it's kind of a... The baby elimination tour. Almost hypocritical that they would, you know, pick on one band and not another. Well, in this day and age. And there's other genres of music, without naming them, where they say some pretty... I'm not going to say offensive things, but I kind of just scratch my head like, man, I can't believe that this is being... These are the lyrics and you're getting away with this. Yeah. But it's metal, so it's easy to hone in right away.

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Well, it's gotten them some attention, I guess. There was that other article that John pointed me towards. I didn't put this on the list, but I don't remember. Was it Metal Sucks or Decibel? Somebody posted an article about the mainstream people like Bieber and Kardashians and stuff wearing heavy metal T-shirts. Decibel reposted the Billboard article.

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That really pissed me off. Yeah. Yeah. And we've been seeing that a lot lately where these people that obviously don't like metal wearing heavy metal shirts just because the artwork is cool. And I think the article is speculating that, you know, could this bring heavy metal back to more of a prominence because now it's dangerous again.

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Yeah, I think those people wearing those, it's not even the artwork, it's the rough equivalent of wearing like a Hells Angels t-shirt or something. It just kind of makes you look, or Harley Davidson t-shirt if you don't have anything to do with motorcycles. It's just... Or a Motorhead t-shirt for that matter. Yeah, well, that's the big one. I mean, Motorhead. I think I can go on record and say that this is probably, outside of maybe Lady Gaga who claims she's a metalhead or likes some metal... I believe it. All these people that are wearing these shirts, you know, specifically, you know, like you said,

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They're not picking these clothes out for themselves. These are their stylists. Their publicists are all picking this out. What makes them look good? What makes them look like they're on the edge? And that article was referring to how the music industry now, which relates to, i.e. big labels, are taking notice of this. Oh, now maybe metal's going to make us some more money, so maybe it's relevant again. And the answer to that is no, it's always been relevant. It's just metal chose to go about it a different way. You ditched us.

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So we took care of ourselves. There's umpteen numbers away to get music now. I will survive. You know, there's actually a bitter irony, though, in this to me, which is that in particular, some of the people you mentioned, what they've been photographed wearing is Metallica shirts, which if that's your way of trying to be edgy these days, you're off the mark, dude. I saw a Kardashian photo and she was wearing something like. Didn't she have a Slayer shirt on or something? No, it was like a hoodie. That's a little better. A hoodie.

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Sorry, didn't mean to cut you off. That's all right. I can't remember. But it was somebody really heavy, like a death metal band. And when they start wearing Burzum t-shirts, I'll start paying attention. Yeah, I was just about to say that every time my stylist says that I need to wear this Metallica t-shirt, I just say that. It's time to get a new stylist. Yeah, it's time to not have a stylist. Right. And then the next thing you're following up, yeah, they told me to put on this Catatonia Society shirt.

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I thought what the hell why not

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and my career tanked

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no I'm the most uncool guy

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that's who it has been coming over all the time

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AJ I think you would go ape shit

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if you said some celebrity had my shirt on

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this is awesome

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I can put the Ketatonix Society

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shirt on

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give me your

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I'll send him one

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thanks

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also invite the Russian guy

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from your band. What's his name? I really like his accent. You cannot say he's Russian. You have to cut it off. I need to make a correction. He's probably going to call me out on it because in the last episode, I mentioned that he said that Sergei said that mayhem sounds like a chainsaw. And I knew as soon as I said it,

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that was wrong. What he actually said was it sounded like an air compressor. So sorry for misquoting you. One little thing for me. I actually really do like Catatonic Society. I'm just having a little fun. Me too. Yeah, well, if we'd ever make another record. I'd wear a t-shirt if you gave me one. That's right. I do have some people some t-shirts. Well, first I got to send one to Yanni's stylist and then let me see what I can do. Yeah, I can give you.

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It's pretty elitistic stuff. I don't know if you have the money, but we can see. Put some diamond sparklies on there. You know, Jay, you're laughing now, but then you're going to come to us in six months and say, I don't know what's going on, but man, we're moving up the charts in Finland right now. Yeah, that's right. Those brilliant ship guys hooked me up. Yeah, I know some people. So, going back to Marvel and Netflix,

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They're going to be putting out a new series based around The Punisher, which makes me very happy. And the trailer for it features Metallica's one. Now, I say this, but I haven't actually watched the trailer yet. I meant to and I forgot before we started, but I'm a huge Punisher fan. Like, back when I collected comic books in the 90s, that was my favorite title was The Punisher. I've always loved The Punisher. They've never done him justice. They did...

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at least three movies.

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Well, I like Dolph Lundgren.

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Boy, that was bad.

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But the Punisher as portrayed in the Daredevil series was pretty damn cool.

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So I'm looking forward to that.

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Right on.

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And crickets.

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No, no, no.

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No, interesting.

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I mean, you never know what you're going to get.

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So, you know, but I do actually I kind of want to watch the trailer to just see if they used it in some artful way because I didn't.

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Yeah.

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We'll see if Metallica's one or any other song is also on the next. I don't know. I don't know anything about the Hollywood shit. You were trying to find a good one. I was going somewhere, but I sort of lost it at the final. Lost the plot. There's no return. It's like Jay said in one of the podcasts that you rode that wave on your own, buddy.

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All righty. Speaking of riding waves alone, Iron Maiden is going to release a new live album from the Book of Souls tour on November 17th. I have already pre-ordered the vinyl, and I'm sure I'll be the only one on this podcast to do so.

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You know, Maiden is becoming Rush for me right now. And the last few albums for Rush, you know, as they were winding down their so-called touring years,

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They put out an album and put out a live album. And Maine's been doing this now ever since everyone came back to the band in 99. They put out an album, put out a live album. So that's called the Aussie cycle. Yeah. Well, yeah. Yeah. Aussie did that once, though, twice. I mean, Maine's got how many live albums now? Ten, I think. So I'll probably get it on at least CD. I won't get it on vinyl. I won't pay that much for it. So it wasn't that much. That's why I got it. It's like a triple vinyl for like 24.

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Oh, that's actually not bad. Okay. Yeah. So it's unfortunate. What did they play on that? What's that? What did they play on that live? You know, the same eight songs they play every year, and I'm not trying to be a jerk, and then, you know, a few things. I think they did a good few from the new record. They did. They actually left off some of the standards in favor of some of the newer songs, which was, I think, a lot of people's gripe. I know that Will wasn't as pleased with that. Actually, Jay, I think they did bring a couple

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back a couple of tunes that they hadn't played in a while. Not many, but a couple like Children of the Damned. I thought they were. Oh man, that's the best letter in Madison. Yeah, but you can't find a better live version of it than that Beast Over Hammersmith though, John. I mean, it's so good. This was a memorable tour because remember they got in trouble. Well, they get in trouble. A resurfaced issue came back up about How to Be Thy Name, so that wasn't on the tour because there's the

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second lawsuit regarding it.

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And that really kind of taints the song for me.

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I'm like, I don't even want to hear it now because I'm like, it's just kind of bullshit.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I want to make sure that we get all the story once this thing's settled that we're going to find out, oh, yeah, he agreed to pay to use that.

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And I'm like, oh, this is all bullshit.

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Then it's, you know, whatever.

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We'll see.

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I think if that had been the case that he had actually gotten approval ahead of time, we would have heard that already.

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You would think.

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Yes, I agree. But you never know. By the way, what do you think about Book of Souls album? I don't think you... I liked it a lot. Nobody else seemed to. I'm indifferent on it because I thought they could have pared it down considerably. There are songs on it I like a lot. I think Maiden sometimes does this that they think that they're doing prog and they're just playing the same riff for 10 minutes and that's not prog. They've been smelling their own farts for too long.

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And they have a slow, quiet bass intro. That's their whole thing now. That's the prog part, apparently. How long has that been going on? Since, like, the Klansman or something? Has it been going on that long now? It's been a while, man. But they had to make room for Empire of the Clouds because it's like a beast. And everybody else dislikes it. I thought it was amazing. I love that song. Yeah, it's okay. But also keep in mind, you know, Steve's idea of prog is like Wishbone Ash, which they have a couple records I would highly recommend people get.

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Like Argus in particular is really good. Yeah, Argus on CD. Do you like it? Yeah, I used to listen to it like maybe one million times. Yeah. Me too. Me too. And I haven't even heard it in years. But that is the root of Steve's idea about Prague. And so it's not, you know, you're not going to, he's never going to get into Yesville, you know. That's just not where he's coming from. Yeah, the real Prague. The real Prague. Try the Yesville sometime just for the sake of it.

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I would like it if you guys had a song called Yes Fail on your next record. Just consider it and think about it. I'll send that suggestion along with a t-shirt to the publicist. By the way, on the note of Aromater and Prague, I think it's so funny. There would be such a funny YouTube video potential when Bruce Dickinson says in the... It was probably in one of Sam Dunn's videos or something. I don't remember where, but he says something about

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keyboard players in metal that, you know, that they can't ever look cool on stage, that no one likes to look at a guy with a shopping trolley on the stage or something like that. Then you could edit there and then you would cut to him jumping with the monkey mask on the stage and then cut to John Lord playing the Hammond organ with his Ray-Ban glasses and everything and decide that what looks cool on stage and what

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As an aside, it's only because, and I wasn't going to do this, and you guys might have seen it on the Facebook page, but at a recent show here, I ran into Sam Dunn. I had a short chat with him. Super nice guy. Yeah, he's a really nice guy, and he's in town. He told me, because he's doing, I don't know why, particularly in San Francisco, to do this, but he's making a ZZ Top documentary. But he was really cool. He stopped, he asked my name. I mean, it wasn't just sort of like, you know, the little handshake and everything.

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I followed his YouTube channel a while back when it went a little bit more silent at some point but I think the Lockhorns debates were really fun to watch at times but he's a bit old school also in the sense that he doesn't really he knows a lot of the like older stuff but then you know when someone if there's a talk about melodic death metal or something and then there's someone like Bella Core Bella Core you know

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And then he's like, "What the fuck is Belacore?" You know, and it's probably... "Stone's Reach" is probably the biggest melodic death metal album in the recent years. He should maybe, you know, but otherwise he knows about the old school stuff a lot. Well, I will say this, he was wearing an Ancients t-shirt, John, when I met him. Yeah. I think that was because it was from his hometown or something, Ancients. Yeah, might have been. Oh, is that right? Oh, I didn't know that.

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But nevertheless, that's insightful. AJ, I was going to make a joke that it was that Canadian solidarity. It may well be, yeah. And John was right, too, in that I also have a... John wanted... In past tense, John wanted me to bring up the issue with him about his genre trees. If you've ever watched documentaries, because every middlehead in the world disagrees with a lot of what he did.

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about what would you call it? The tree? It's like a family tree of metal that he's written. The genealogy thing. I'll say this, and I disagree with probably half of them, or a third of them. It sparked a lot of good talk. And so it did the job. And actually, there you go. He's been a good ambassador for metal in general. And I got the chance to tell him in person. I'd just seen Super Duper Alice Cooper, and I loved it. I figured that.

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The three thing is a really good introduction for those who get into metal. I think it was one of the first things that Janis showed me when we started to really get into metal also. So he showed me the documentary and it really explains where this genre goes to and so forth. Yeah, and he gets the largest strokes, right? I agree. Yeah, you're right. That's the perfect way to put it.

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Don't squint and look at it too closely, but most of the answers are right. Because there's stuff like Swedish death metal on there, which is a bit like, hmm. He means the Stockholm scene with Entombed and stuff like that, but then there's also other Swedish death metal and it becomes a little bit difficult. I should have him on sometime. Yeah, I gave Jay some grief. I was like, dude, could you have asked him?

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to come on the podcast while you were standing there talking to him. Jay meets all these famous people in San Francisco. He sends us pictures of them. I'm like, did you ask him about the podcast? And he's like, no. Yeah, I'm like, can I get a photo? Well, see you later. The king of self-promotion, Jay. Isn't it Frisco, if you're from the West Coast? No, it's not. No, no. People here hate that.

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Most people here call it the city. The city. No, the people they don't. They can't. People can't. They won't let you say San Fran and they won't let you say Frisco. Can you say San Francisco? Yes. Or San Fran Frisco? Sure if you like. Someday when I have a lot of money I will travel to California. You have a place to stay. By 80s.

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and then listen to synthwave through the night. Yes. And, you know. That's perfect. Yeah. I'll leave it at that. You can figure out the rest. Yeah, well, you'll have a place to stay. So it's too bad that Will's not here because this next item is about Cannibal Corpse. They just released a video for their new song, Code of the Slashers. And boy, is it

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I liked it though it's also kind of I'm not arty but it's sort of like

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it's slasher movie it's well done yeah but it's just basically these guys

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yeah is it as good as the Slayer the jailbreak video yeah yeah that was pretty violent too okay I have to see it yeah

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it doesn't have the budget of that but it's it's pretty bloody yeah that's just these guys with like

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these weird looking guys with like headgear on driving around in a van looking for people to kill and

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You see these people walking down the street and they chase them down and basically murder them in a field. They're like, you know, the knife going up and down and blood spurting everywhere. I was like, wow, that's pretty graphic. But it's not nearly as gory as that other video that just came out. The song is Baphomet. I'm trying to remember who the band was. It's a band we like, some of us. Give me a minute. What was it called? Baphomet is the name of the song, but it's... Belphegor? Yeah. Yeah. Did you watch that? I have not watched it yet. I saw it.

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But I haven't gotten to it yet. Pretty bloody. I really don't have anything against him. I just like giving Will a hard time. He likes giving me a hard time. I love him. One of the best parts of Metalhead's podcast is the part when Jon and Will go on about Cannibal Corpse and Opeth. It's worthwhile. It's always the popcorn is ready. And I always enjoy pointing out that Opeth played Radio City Music Hall and that I would help Will sell out his basement for Cannibal Corpse.

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Yeah, exactly. I think John's a bit of a tool, dude. Yeah. It's all for fun. Well, and I have fun doing that. So, you know, salt really hurts when it goes on your chapped ass. You can expect more of these fun quotes as I find them and clip them out of episodes. Well, I hope my mom's not going to ever listen to this. I'm going to start talking in binary only or something so you can't edit anything. You have to dig.

01:26:26.080 --> 01:26:52.960
All right. One last news item. John and I were just at the Shadow Woods Festival last weekend, and we were there to see our friends in Inferro, and I got a little tidbit that they have a new album completed. It's in the can. We didn't get a name for it. We don't have a release date yet, but it should be coming sometime early next year, hopefully. So if you're a fan of them. And we are. Be ready.

01:26:53.040 --> 01:27:19.760
And if you're not currently a fan, go up on Bandcamp now and check out what they got. The last couple albums were really good, too. And they were great live. They were. You know, speaking of them, too, in a periphery sense, Trap Them put up a thing that was like, last few shows, and then it literally says Trap Them, and it's like 2001 to 2017, like they're breaking up. They are. Did Galen say anything? They are. Yes, we talked about that.

01:27:23.020 --> 01:27:52.940
Without having gotten permission from Galen, I'm not really going to talk about what that was, but it was just basically sort of an agreed upon thing that they were going to stop. Okay. All right. I could actually listen to the new Inferra Bruo because I remember when I was listening to you interviewed them once, right? Yeah. Nice guys. Yeah. And that was the time when you still played the songs on the episodes. Yeah. So that was the first time, you know, because you had,

01:27:53.040 --> 01:28:22.380
So many guests and so many different genres and stuff like that. But when I was like, you know, listening to the podcast when I was playing something and then it was like, hmm, what is this music? And, you know, so nice. Yeah. Yeah. I think, of course, there's been many great bands in your podcast. I'm not saying that, but I remember that that was one that turned my head a bit at least. Yeah. I wish we would still play music. We sort of stopped just because. So my stylist will be contacting me.

01:28:23.020 --> 01:28:50.360
Well, more on that in a minute. Not the stylist, but playing music. Just for anybody that was ever curious about that, it's just a licensing thing. We would play music from unsigned bands who gave us permission, and it was basically like, you figure you're pretty safe if they're unsigned and they give you permission. They're not going to turn around and sue you.

01:28:52.160 --> 01:29:22.120
Though, you know, I can pay royalties. Nothing out of percent of nothing is nothing. However, some of the bands, I can think of at least one band that we've played music from were unsigned when we played them. They've since been signed and the album's been reissued. And I'm just waiting for a call from somebody's lawyer. While the band may have been cool with it, the record label may not be. So it's just easier to just point people. I mean, it's not like you can't

01:29:22.160 --> 01:29:24.280
find the music. It's easy to just point people to

01:29:25.380 --> 01:29:26.480
to band camp or wherever

01:29:26.610 --> 01:29:27.640
and be like, listen here.

01:29:28.760 --> 01:29:30.540
But it would be really cool to play music

01:29:30.670 --> 01:29:32.420
again. And in fact, we

01:29:32.740 --> 01:29:33.640
might be doing that

01:29:34.460 --> 01:29:34.840
this episode

01:29:37.740 --> 01:29:38.680
in the next month

01:29:38.690 --> 01:29:40.720
or so. We may be featuring an exclusive

01:29:40.980 --> 01:29:41.760
song is all I'm going to say.

01:29:42.820 --> 01:29:44.460
Yeah, that's yeah, that's pretty cool.

01:29:44.660 --> 01:29:45.720
That's a nice little

01:29:47.000 --> 01:29:48.540
what do you want to say? That's a good

01:29:48.630 --> 01:29:49.900
little metal on our chest there.

01:29:50.060 --> 01:29:53.220
Yeah, somebody came to ask us about doing it, so

01:29:54.480 --> 01:29:55.400
I'm cool with that.

01:29:56.320 --> 01:29:57.520
So hopefully that'll work out.

01:29:58.900 --> 01:29:59.960
Have other bands got

01:30:00.440 --> 01:30:02.380
signed except for

01:30:03.340 --> 01:30:05.300
Shilma Gognar, or how is it pronounced?

01:30:05.820 --> 01:30:06.800
Shilma Gognar, yeah.

01:30:07.120 --> 01:30:09.800
That's actually one of them. Another one was Painted Wives.

01:30:10.720 --> 01:30:11.420
Oh, okay.

01:30:11.800 --> 01:30:14.140
And I'd have to look.

01:30:14.150 --> 01:30:16.100
There may be more, which is good.

01:30:16.260 --> 01:30:18.100
I like to think that we got these bands signed.

01:30:19.120 --> 01:30:49.000
which of course has nothing to do with it. And I am the Metalheads podcast expert who knows all your guests. Yes. I remember the episode when Jay came on for the first time. I'm told it's really gone downhill since then. You know what's funny is when people quote things back to me. When we were at Valken, and I hate, I know the guys are like,

01:30:49.120 --> 01:31:19.060
behind my back, they're going, when I was at Valken, they started busting my balls about it. Well, when I was at Valken, but when I was at Valken, I think it was Chris and Matt were like, we were talking and they both were like, remember this one episode when you said this? And I was like, what? It's just, it's surreal to me that I have said things and anybody remembers what I said, you know, and to have somebody say something back to me about,

01:31:19.120 --> 01:31:47.360
it. And I'm like, I don't remember saying that, but okay. Apparently you played a clip that I don't remember saying today. Really? Was it? You know, salt really hurts when it goes on your chapped ass. I don't even know where that came from. Again, I don't remember saying that. Was that just a voicemail that he left you? I was cleaning up my laptop. I was harassing George one night and I just kept leaving him voicemails.

01:31:48.280 --> 01:32:18.240
I was cleaning up my laptop one night and I just like a couple days ago to make room for this episode and I saw this file it just said chapped assed at mp3 you know the funny thing is I think I got that from watching some roasts somebody was getting roasted some comedian you know I don't know if you guys have ever seen that where they have like 20 people sit on stage and they just brutalize them it might have been Drew Carey he got absolutely just destroyed by some of his friends and I think that's what I'm going to do

01:32:18.280 --> 01:32:48.240
that might be an amalgamation of like three or four different jokes that they put together about him. So I don't know. George, are you ready with the record button? Okay. He's going to drop a gem on you. Jay is my bitch. I'm going to definitely sample that and that will be on here. And you know, you're getting a call from my stylist that in the beginning of the episode, when

01:32:48.280 --> 01:32:49.060
Joel is going,

01:32:49.280 --> 01:32:49.920
metalheads podcast,

01:32:50.280 --> 01:32:50.920
metalheads podcast,

01:32:51.130 --> 01:32:51.300
go.

01:32:51.830 --> 01:32:53.620
So there's going to be metalheads podcast,

01:32:53.900 --> 01:32:54.260
metalheads,

01:32:54.760 --> 01:32:55.520
Jay is my bitch,

01:32:55.800 --> 01:32:55.920
go.

01:32:58.120 --> 01:32:58.800
Can I just tell you,

01:32:59.020 --> 01:33:01.200
why is it that every guest eventually says that?

01:33:04.360 --> 01:33:05.620
Jay is everybody's bitch.

01:33:06.320 --> 01:33:09.680
We pass him around like so much trash.

01:33:13.000 --> 01:33:13.340
Like a,

01:33:13.650 --> 01:33:13.780
we,

01:33:13.970 --> 01:33:16.640
we pass Jay around like a decapitated groupie.

01:33:18.020 --> 01:33:18.920
Oh, man.

01:33:19.160 --> 01:33:19.340
Woo.

01:33:19.620 --> 01:33:19.740
Rough.

01:33:20.020 --> 01:33:20.380
I'm taking a big kick.

01:33:20.380 --> 01:33:21.040
That's pretty brutal.

01:33:21.720 --> 01:33:24.680
And on to new releases.

01:33:26.700 --> 01:33:27.500
Yes, new releases.

01:33:28.660 --> 01:33:30.420
This week's new releases.

01:33:31.380 --> 01:33:33.000
Yeah, they are.

01:33:34.000 --> 01:33:36.840
Spend your 100 money now.

01:33:37.080 --> 01:33:39.960
First new release blew my mind when I heard it this week.

01:33:41.680 --> 01:33:42.360
Sorry to speak right there.

01:33:42.820 --> 01:34:12.040
This is the band Archspire and their third album, Relentless Mutation. They're a Vancouver tech death band. And I'm not like a huge tech death fan. I like some bands. Replacere with Evan from Wilderun is one that I really dig. And people have, in fact, last episode, Blake mentioned Archspire and some other people have come on and mentioned it. And I've listened to their first two albums and was never really,

01:34:13.600 --> 01:34:17.060
into it all that much. It was a little too wanky.

01:34:18.240 --> 01:34:19.240
It's a little wanky.

01:34:19.260 --> 01:34:19.860
Just too busy.

01:34:21.000 --> 01:34:32.740
And so just to give it a quick listen so that I could speak to it on this episode, I put it on and immediately was dragged into it.

01:34:34.719 --> 01:34:35.860
They've done something.

01:34:36.040 --> 01:34:38.920
They've found their sweet spot.

01:34:40.280 --> 01:35:10.240
And it's somewhere between... Stop. That's good. I mean, it was starting to get a little dirty. I think they found your sweet spot, George. They found my sweet spot. Where it's technical, but it's not just one long stream of look at how fast we can play. And good lord, the guy's vocals are like a percussive instrument. He has these precision surgical strikes of just like...

01:35:10.280 --> 01:35:38.720
I don't know. I listened to that album like front to back like three times in a row and it just blew my mind. So I went back to their last album, The Lucid Collective, and listened to that and I was like, nah, it's just no, it's this album. This album is good. I think you need to go back, George, and isolate this phrase. They found their sweet spot. It's somewhere between. That's just going to be so dirty in so many instances that we can use that. I came back and the first thing I hear is Jay saying dirty.

01:35:40.280 --> 01:36:10.140
You left while I was giving my impassioned speech? See, we can't see him, so we don't know. I did listen to it, George. Well, now you'll have to listen to the episode. Yeah, finish that, John. Or was that the whole comment? No, I listened to it. You know, 30 minutes was a max, I think, which was nice. It was a good length. But I will say this about, and the album's fine. I mean, I'm not,

01:36:10.260 --> 01:36:40.060
I'm not a super TechDeath fan, but one thing I did not like about it, and I find this very annoying in TechDeath, is this unbelievable speed of light triggered bass pedals on the drums. It's so mechanical. Well, that's the problem I had, because I want to see someone replicate that on stage without any help whatsoever. I can't imagine that's happening. I can send you a few links.

01:36:40.260 --> 01:37:09.900
If you want. Yeah. Okay. Alex Rudinger is, I think he's able to do most of the stuff. Who is this? Who? Alex Rudinger. I think he's from faceless. No, no. Sorry. I can't remember. He's actually from my hometown here in Frederick. Oh, okay. Yeah. He's just amazing. He's from Frederick? Yeah. He's from Frederick. And he's played with Alex Webster and all these big names. You know? I don't know him. I should. He must live within like a 10, 15 minute radius of me. Oh.

01:37:10.280 --> 01:37:38.280
I know! Anyway, the guy from Flesh God Apocalypse can do it for like 20 seconds, like 300 BPM or something, and then he's totally out. Have you seen that one? He's sort of like two pushes and then a stare after that, if you know what I mean. Two strokes and a zero. Where are they from? Flesh God Apocalypse.

01:37:41.280 --> 01:38:10.180
Italy. Okay. Yeah. Have you seen the one? No, I would want to. I'm a huge fan of Flash God Apocalypse. Me too. Yeah, we all like the last record quite a bit. I actually disliked it compared to their other albums. It still was probably one of my favorites of the tier, but it could have been still so much better. Okay. Sure. I'll buy that. I agree with the stuff that you're saying about Archspire. I get it, because that's stuff.

01:38:10.260 --> 01:38:14.440
It normally turns me off too. But this album has just got such a

01:38:16.220 --> 01:38:19.120
It's got your number. A tight brutal punch to it that like

01:38:19.500 --> 01:38:22.860
if I'm just like pissed off or like driving and angry

01:38:23.500 --> 01:38:25.640
that's like it's going to be a go-to album for me. It is

01:38:27.200 --> 01:38:28.420
it does what I need it to do.

01:38:29.300 --> 01:38:32.520
I liked moments of it. It's just that that's the one part I didn't like

01:38:32.620 --> 01:38:35.780
where it just didn't sound even remotely real to me. So

01:38:36.200 --> 01:38:37.920
just maybe it's my ears only. So who knows?

01:38:38.320 --> 01:39:06.740
Well, I mean, okay, so here's the thing. Even if there are no triggers or whatever involved triggers or machines or whatever you want to call it, I mean, I just personally tend to tilt towards things that have some human flaws in them, you know? It is very... And it might just be feedback. I like feedback. You know, I like all kinds of weird kind of those strange little strange dangerous things that happen from time to time. And so that's... A lot of those bands suck that all out, the wind out of the room when it comes to that.

01:39:08.740 --> 01:39:34.100
That, to me, makes for part of the punch of the album. I mean, I understand that a lot of people don't like overproduced, really clean, tight things like that. And, you know, I have my moments as well. Well, these guys, you know, honestly, Perihelion Ship, for all their focus on putting together the best product they can, there's still something very organic about the sound of their records.

01:39:36.320 --> 01:40:05.860
That just goes a long way for me. But hey, you found something that for whatever reason got your number. Yep. And I'm going to try and move a little quicker through some of these next ones. Next we've got the new Blackfinger album, When Colors Fade Away. In case you weren't aware, this is a band fronted by Eric Wagner of Trouble. I was actually talking to Will about this a couple days ago. I actually thought those were their first albums. I hadn't heard of them before.

01:40:05.900 --> 01:40:35.880
And he was like, no, I think it's their second album. And he was right. And he said he didn't really like it because it was more rock than metal. And I hear what he's saying. There's some heavy parts, but it is kind of a hard rock album in places. But still, Eric Wagner's voice is just the bomb. So I haven't listened yet. So I'm assuming then this is not as kind of stoner metal-y, do-me-y as The Skull then? No, it's a little cleaner. Okay. But you'll know. It won't sound completely for you.

01:40:36.280 --> 01:40:37.700
It's a little stoner metal-y to me.

01:40:38.130 --> 01:40:38.240
Yeah.

01:40:39.800 --> 01:40:39.920
Okay.

01:40:40.380 --> 01:40:45.680
Next, we have the new Cradle of Filth album, Cryptoriana, The Seductiveness of Decay.

01:40:46.300 --> 01:40:51.740
Another album that I feel like must have been months ago because we've had the promo for so long, but apparently it's just now getting released.

01:40:52.920 --> 01:40:54.080
I like this album a lot.

01:40:54.490 --> 01:41:02.040
I really haven't listened to Cradle much in the last decade or so because they kind of seem to be doing the same thing over and over again.

01:41:02.800 --> 01:41:32.480
So maybe I'm just like coming fresh to this and going, hey, it's certainly not anything new and different, but they do it well. Quedo or Filth is Ansel's favorite band. Well, I was just going to... That sounded like sarcasm. It does feel like sarcasm. Finished Sarcasm. You know, I was going to ask you guys what you think of this band. I've never really liked them, but I don't know. I have some preconceptions or something because before I even listened to metal,

01:41:33.380 --> 01:42:00.280
We used to make fun of Cradle Field because with my friend when we were in high school we saw some live video from some song and it was really funny. Really absurd. I don't know. I never really liked them. It's interesting that even pre-metal... They're supposed to be like the earlier albums are supposed to be good but I've never got the time to listen to them. So I'm pre-judging. Pre-judging.

01:42:01.820 --> 01:42:31.760
I never listened to them either so I mean I don't either I think I just like you I kind of prejudged them and I think it's because of some of the crowd that latched on to them well they did become a hot topic band and that kind of not that that should be a turnoff because I think a lot of bands got dumped on that store but I just I never got into them no but it just sort of it's it gives you a little information that makes you think okay I think I know what this is about and I don't want to be involved but that's unfair if yeah it is it is we're a really good band before they

01:42:31.800 --> 01:42:32.800
got exploited.

01:42:33.720 --> 01:42:33.780
Yeah.

01:42:35.280 --> 01:42:37.820
So this next one is another one that people can make fun of.

01:42:39.080 --> 01:42:42.860
The new Insafirim album, Two Paths, just came out.

01:42:44.200 --> 01:42:44.600
What?

01:42:45.220 --> 01:42:46.000
That's his jam.

01:42:47.780 --> 01:42:51.620
Well, on Friday, John posted, you know, it's new release Friday.

01:42:51.760 --> 01:42:52.740
What's everybody listening to?

01:42:52.880 --> 01:42:54.660
And people were posting things.

01:42:54.920 --> 01:43:00.240
And Trevor from Ash and Horde chimed in and said, well, I was going to say the new Insafirim, but then I heard it.

01:43:01.080 --> 01:43:30.800
Yeah, he didn't like it. Was he heard it or he just started listening to it? I'd have to go back and check. Sorry if I'm just quoting you, Trevor, but the gist was that he did not. He was underwhelmed. He was underwhelmed, yes. How the mighty have fallen. Yes. Apparently, yeah. Indeed. We should take the train to the next city and go visit those guys and ask that. Hey.

01:43:31.200 --> 01:44:00.980
What's up with the music? Have you ever run into him? You guys run into him at all? No. I know the bass player from Grimfall who they actually got a new album also. Yeah, I like that one. Yeah, so I know him and he hangs out with those Moonsoro and Siferum guys. But yeah. Same style really. Sort of. Yeah. Anyway.

01:44:01.680 --> 01:44:31.040
Next up, the new Master Boot Record album, Interrupt Request. This is like a chiptune synthwave metal from Italy. It's kind of unique. That's my jam. Yeah? Do you really like it? Yeah, I love it. Yeah, it's cool. People give me crap for listening to synthwave, but this is heavier. It's like chiptune and synthwave, but he's also got guitars and fast drums.

01:44:32.560 --> 01:44:33.080
Yeah.

01:44:36.080 --> 01:44:38.140
I like it a lot. I haven't actually

01:44:38.610 --> 01:44:40.760
gotten a lot of time to listen to it yet but

01:44:41.260 --> 01:44:41.600
to me

01:44:42.860 --> 01:44:44.340
those genres I listen to

01:44:44.870 --> 01:44:46.180
you know a lot when I

01:44:46.630 --> 01:44:47.100
program to

01:44:48.520 --> 01:44:50.740
Synthwave and Chillwave and Vaporwave

01:44:50.960 --> 01:44:51.620
and

01:44:51.620 --> 01:44:52.080
Dungeon Synth.

01:44:52.080 --> 01:44:52.320
Every wave.

01:44:52.990 --> 01:44:53.120
Yeah.

01:44:53.500 --> 01:44:54.120
Dungeon Synth.

01:44:55.060 --> 01:44:56.560
Dungeon Synth is actually better

01:44:56.990 --> 01:44:58.940
when you're playing something but yeah.

01:44:59.260 --> 01:44:59.440
What?

01:44:59.740 --> 01:44:59.860
What?

01:45:01.380 --> 01:45:29.000
What did you say? What is better than your play? Dungeon synth. Dungeon synth, oh yeah. Yeah, it's the Chandra Burtsem invented with Daudy Baldur. Yeah. When he was in the prison making the synth. All they'd give him was a keyboard. Yeah, and then of course there's Mortise as well. It's like Legend of Zelda music or something. No, it's more. No, I mean just dungeon synth in general. Yeah, yeah.

01:45:30.020 --> 01:45:59.880
The Master Boot Record is cool. Yeah. I have to listen to it. Yanni just showed me just before this podcast. They got pictures of Intel processors and stuff like that. Yeah, it's all very old 486 kind of themed stuff. It's just take the dick out and go. On the flip side of cool, we have the new Mastodon EP, Cold Dark Place. I think there's only four songs on there. I could only get through two.

01:46:00.780 --> 01:46:28.380
I didn't even try. People need to tell me about Mastodon now as much as I used to be obsessed with that band. I need somebody like you, George, to be my canary in the coal mine because I don't have time. That canary dies. There you go. I was so disappointed in the last one and they've been kind of walking in that direction for a while. Isn't this like a Brett Hines, like isn't this all material extra he had that they just decided to record? It was supposed to be like a solo thing and then they just decided to make it a Mastodon thing because it probably still doesn't matter.

01:46:28.780 --> 01:46:30.580
I think it's sort of vaguely related to

01:46:31.260 --> 01:46:33.600
Game of Thrones because I think one of the songs was for Game of Thrones

01:46:33.940 --> 01:46:36.120
because they've got this weird relationship with that show

01:46:36.580 --> 01:46:37.220
they've been on it

01:46:37.300 --> 01:46:39.140
they're extras in the White Army

01:46:39.620 --> 01:46:41.880
yeah and they had written another song for it

01:46:42.640 --> 01:46:42.740
yeah

01:46:44.780 --> 01:46:47.200
you'd see Brett Hines is always up there all the time

01:46:47.880 --> 01:46:48.200
yeah

01:46:48.460 --> 01:46:49.360
I mean Brett Hines is

01:46:50.980 --> 01:46:52.540
he didn't have to put any makeup on

01:46:52.700 --> 01:46:53.740
they were just like they're perfect

01:46:56.260 --> 01:46:57.880
have you guys watched that show?

01:46:57.900 --> 01:47:01.480
You don't start talking about burning down some building or something and you're fine.

01:47:02.620 --> 01:47:09.860
I think you've seen that episode where they have the huge battle with the White Walkers. Season 5 or something.

01:47:10.200 --> 01:47:13.440
Season 4. Yeah, you got it. The first big one.

01:47:13.860 --> 01:47:21.220
Maybe they thought that their music is shit so they need to make the new Game of Thrones shit as well.

01:47:21.560 --> 01:47:24.700
I guess. I don't know, man. That's how the mighty have fallen.

01:47:24.880 --> 01:47:54.220
Well, you'll know how that is if they get killed off right away in the first battle scene in Season 8. They may well do. Some of the guys from Anthrax. Oh, no, that was Walking Dead. Walking Dead, excuse me. I thought he was in Game of Thrones 2. I think so, too, yeah. I latched on to the cover art of the EP because I was like, what, we got some Norwegian stuff here or something, and then it's Mastodon and what? Yeah.

01:47:54.900 --> 01:48:24.660
I'll have to look at it. It seems like dark and I don't recall that I have looked at it closely. Well, it doesn't look like mastodon. It doesn't? Okay. It looks like a generic atmospheric black metal band from Iceland or something. I see. I see. Yeah, I'm looking at it now. Okay. Next up, we have the new Mirkur record, which, be damned if I could pronounce it, Mer... Well, it's in Danish.

01:48:24.900 --> 01:48:54.560
It's nightmare. Oh, let's hear it. Maybe I think it's Mardit or something like that. Okay. What he said. Where is Mirkur? Danish. I felt like I heard a new pronunciation there too. If it's Danish, then you just have to put an apple in your throat and do some Mardit. Murder. All right. We got this great band.

01:48:54.900 --> 01:48:56.220
This great band from Denmark.

01:49:01.620 --> 01:49:01.980
All right.

01:49:02.180 --> 01:49:06.820
Well, she's always been pretty divisive in the metal scene,

01:49:07.100 --> 01:49:09.260
and I'm sure this album is not going to be any different.

01:49:09.580 --> 01:49:12.620
I'm just going to put it out there, and I'm ready to be punished for this.

01:49:12.620 --> 01:49:12.980
I love it.

01:49:13.000 --> 01:49:13.540
I think it's great.

01:49:13.760 --> 01:49:14.280
I like it, too.

01:49:14.420 --> 01:49:15.120
From start to finish.

01:49:15.540 --> 01:49:16.520
I need to listen to it.

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I have issues with it, of which I've already spoken with Jay.

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The main one being, there's, you know, I saw a headline that says, I never said I was a black metal band, even though I think she did at one point. But that aside, there's only really one song on the album that has harsh black metal style vocals. And that's really heavy, like a black metal song. There's one other song towards the end of the album where I think in the background, there's a little bit of screaming. But for the most part, it's clean vocals on the album. And so,

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It just seemed kind of out of place to have that song on there. And while it's a decent song, I like it. I think maybe she should have left it off to just have sort of a consistent theme for the album. I think there's honestly, I would, I don't know, but I think there's 30 seconds or less of harsh vocals on the, on the album. Yeah. Even for the, even that song you're talking about, it doesn't go through the whole song. Yeah. It's just sort of like a token thing so that like maybe she can claim a black man, but she's saying she's not black. So I don't know. It just, I think,

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She would have done herself a favor by leaving that out. The rest of the songs are a little more consistent. Because John's making some interesting faces here. No, I just was looking it up on Rate Your Music. You know, not that that's the end-all be-all, but that's her highest-rated album right now of all the stuff she's released. Honestly, truth, John, I think if you haven't heard it, I think you're going to like it. Yeah, I have to listen to that. Because, you know, it kind of reminds me of, it's sort of like a metal Dead Can Dance. Well, if that's the case, then I'm down big time.

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going to be in your... Go ahead. I know what you're going to say, George, but I'm all for it. Let's hear it. I mean, it's kind of metal. The first listen through, I didn't even think it was hardly metal. And then I talked to you, and then I went back and listened to it again, and I was like, all right, it is a little heavier than I thought it was. It's just heavier with clean vocals. Jay's description, though, may not necessarily mean it's metal, but a metalized Dead Can Dance makes perfect sense to me, though. It can be heavy without necessarily being metal. I think you hit the nail on the head.

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and John's Ray too. That's not because I'm not necessarily going to fight for it as a heavy metal record. I'm already going to tell you it's going to be on my year-end list because I like it that much. And I think it's got enough metal in it to make it metal. But I think it's really cool that she's focusing on... It's her own thing in my mind. I know the Chelsea Wolfe thing. I get that. But she... I don't know. I love it. I think it's a strong statement by an artist. It's a good record. Yeah. As Jay just mentioned, on the track Funeral, there's a featuring Chelsea Wolfe.

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And if you haven't heard Chelsea Wolf, well, Mircore has. And I felt like this album was very heavily influenced by Chelsea Wolf's sound. Which is not necessarily a bad thing because I like Chelsea Wolf. And in fact, she just released... What? This is the hill I'm going to die on this album. This is going to be the one you and I are going to have to go toe-to-toe on on a regular basis. I apologize for interrupting. Yeah. But it's funny because a week ago,

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A week ago, the Miracle album released, and then this Friday, two days ago, the new Chelsea Wolf album, Hiss Spun, just dropped. And it's even heavier than the Miracle album, I think. Really? Yeah. Is Miracle on it? You know, I didn't look to see. Chelsea Wolf is on this one, so I mean, I think it went on. Yeah, quid pro quo. But it's good. So, you know, again,

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It's heavy in a lot of places. There's some heavy guitars. Still wouldn't call it a metal album, and I don't think she would either, though she has admitted to being influenced by a lot of metal. It's still a cool, atmospheric kind of album, and I dig it a lot. Well, I'll say one more thing about the Mircore, and that's that this may well be the transition album into which she went off now, and she won't do any kind of metal thing at all anymore, but for now, it's got enough of a foot in that.

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that it still counts for me. And it's great. I enjoy listening to it. And I've kind of had a little emotional attachment to it since I first heard it. Well, that last release she did that wasn't technically an album was a live album called Mausoleum, which was recorded in a mausoleum with like a girls choir. Not even slightly metal at all, but it was a beautiful album. Yeah, yeah. Agreed. Yeah, so actually this is a step maybe back in the more metal direction. But in any case, she's a device.

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I have artists no question about that so there's gonna be a lot of people that are

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gonna be highly disagreeing about this one this year do you know that YouTube channel called hipster black metal yeah no well it's a it's not very political politically correct material that he's roasting murder a lot I don't know okay I'm interested it's pretty pretty stupid stuff but kind of funny sometimes kind of not funny

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I'm in. That sounds about like this podcast. I'm in. This next one. By the way, on that note, did you charge contact Brenner's side? Who? That's not Metal guy. No, I didn't. Sorry, I forgot about that. Thank you for reminding me. Yeah, you can ask him to come join this podcast and then we can talk after that. Yeah.

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I better yet have him call my stylist first. Okay, so this next album maybe doesn't belong here either. It's the new Gary Neumann album called Savage Songs from a Broken Mind. And Gary Neumann is not generally considered metal and is really mostly known for his song in the late 70s, early 80s? 1979. 1979, Cars.

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And I just happened to see that he had a new album. And it was labeled as industrial metal, which it's not really. But it is kind of a heavy electronic. And so I wanted to check it out. I was like, oh, what's this guy been up to? And he's actually released like 20 some odd albums since Cars was released. But I've never heard anything about it. And so I wanted to check it out. And I was actually playing it with John the other day, too.

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And it's kind of cool. It's, you know, being that I like electronic music, and it's kind of like a, no, I don't know. It's just sort of a heavy electronic, but it's interesting, so check it out. I thought it was good, too. I know my friend Jeff will be happy to hear that people are talking about Gary Neumann. He's a metalhead, but he loves Gary Neumann, so good for Gary Neumann to, at this point in his career, to put something out. It's getting a lot of traction, so. Yeah. Who the fuck is Gary Neumann?

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That's the question on everyone's mind. Right now everybody's listening and Googling. Click, click, click, click. Gary Neumann. Yeah. So this next album fucking rocks. This is the new Satiricon album. Maybe the second best album cover of the year. Deep Calleth Upon Deep. Yes, maybe not the best album cover, but it's a pretty rocking album. And it's funny because I listened to, I heard the first time I heard the first time I heard the first time I heard the first time I heard the first time I heard the first time I heard

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first song, the title track when they released it. And I was like, I dig it. And I expected a lot of blowback from people because pretty much ever since Nemesis Divina, Satyricon's been like everybody's scapegoat for black metal. And the album released and I got to hear the rest of it. And I was like, I really dig this. And again, I'm like, so I started looking around going, okay, who's trashing it? And so far, I've actually seen pretty positive reviews.

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Metal Injection gave it like a 9 out of 10. And 9 circles, they reviewed it nicely. So, I don't know, maybe this will actually do something this year. You can't trust Metal Injection, they featured us. Oh, alright, well that's completely discredited then. Yeah. Just like us. Yeah. So anyway, look for that one to be on my list. I keep saying that about like,

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these bands and then my list is going to be too big and they're going to have to get cut but

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I think they might make it still

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next up

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the new I'm not going to pronounce this

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right probably Ufo Mammet

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it's an Italian doom band

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the record's called Eight

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and unless I counted wrong I believe it's their ninth album

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so I don't know maybe they don't count one of them

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but I counted

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nine albums

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did you say they're Italian

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Yeah.

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They're too lazy to count that last.

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We'll stop at eight. That's good.

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They're saying that they will count that last entry tomorrow, but then they will never do it.

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And I listened to about three quarters of this album.

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It's Doom. It's heavy, kind of sludgy.

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I know a lot of people dig them, and I listened to this a little more than I would have, because they're going to be here.

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Is it some stoner stuff?

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Not stoner like... Because that could be such a stoner thing to do to count your albums in the wrong order. Yeah, I think it's eight. I mean, it could be, but it's heavier than what I consider to be stoner doom. Okay, then I can listen to it. And it's kind of good. I know a lot of people dig them, and they're going to be at Death Fest next year. So on the off chance that I make it to Death Fest,

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I'd actually be playing the same day as Satircon.

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Then I thought I'd check it out. And it's not bad. So there you go.

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We got three more before we get to move on.

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First one is Vulture Industries, their new album, Stranger Times.

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This is an avant-prog band from Norway.

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And the singer is also in another band that I featured last year called Black Hole Generator, which was much more black metal.

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I think Jason listened to Vulture Industries. It's the kind of like strange proggy like I don't know maybe in like a slough egg sort of direction or you know that whole like branching off of from them. I know that what was the other one something there's another band related to them something Hammer or something. Hammers of Misfortune.

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Yeah, something less. I think it might be in that direction. I just listened to some samples while you were talking. I think you're right. I'll give this one a whack. I like the record cover, too. Yeah, it's cool. I liked the album. Next, we have the new With the Dead album called Love From With the Dead. Sounds like a 60s kind of, you know, the Beach Boys, you know, Love From the Beach Boys kind of album title. But Lee Dorian's back with his new

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Fuck You to Electric Wizard. Actually, the other guys in the band fuck you to Electric Wizard. And it's cool, man. You know, if you like Cathedral, then you ought to dig this. Yeah, I'm definitely, I haven't listened yet, but I'll definitely check it out. And the final album of our new release is The New Wolves in the Throne Room, Thrice Woven. John? I know you and I have had a little discussion about this. I actually like the album.

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It's not going to be anything like their first couple albums, but they brought back

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I don't actually think they brought back the black metal music. I just think the previous album was a one-off

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But it's a combination of all their styles. I think on one album, there's a lot of ambient moments

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But there's some brutal moments on it, too

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And there's a lot of kind of the atmospheric acoustic moments. It's got a lot. It's not a very long album

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I think it's only what low 40s 40 something. Yeah, 41 43

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It seems like it's

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It's getting what I expect it was gonna get

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Which is, I like it

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I maybe don't like this part of it, but I do like it

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I think that's what I'm seeing most of the people

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I know that have listened to it

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That's pretty much where I stand on it

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The music is really good, hands down

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I think it's a really cool album

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Musically

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My one beef with them is the same beef

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That I always have

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Pay a little bit of attention to the vocals, could you?

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Just a little?

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And I don't even mean the way he sings. I mean, just push the fader up a couple DB. Yeah, but I actually think this is the best album of all of them. I think you can actually hear him better on this one than any of the previous ones, which is saying something. When he does clean vocals, it's right up in your face. Yeah. But the harsher vocals, they just bury the hell out of it. And it just pisses me off when people do that intentionally. Maybe they're fans of ISIS from the early 2000s. It's like, come on. I mean, you know how this would probably be like top five.

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for me on my list if the vocals were in your face and the songs just ripped your face off because this music is just like amazing and then these harsh vocals are just ripping your face off but they're not. They're in the background. You can hardly hear them and that annoys me. Are you talking about Volsinger? Yes. You got up and left again, didn't you? For a few seconds. Sneaky Bows.

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I actually listened to that album a little bit and I think it's fine but I think the problem with me is that they do such like experimentally cool stuff at times that I would almost like start to love that experimental stuff more than the sort of that okay let's go back you know that sort of like stay in the experimental

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stuff. This is much cooler. I don't want to go back to the basic black metal or whatever, atmospheric black metal. They almost seem like they should be like some of those post-metal bands like The Ocean. They release an album with vocals, then they release the album as an instrumental album. Speaking of The Ocean, where the hell are they? I've been waiting for them to put out a new album. I think they have something coming out soon. But I agree. It would be kind of cool if maybe they put companion albums out with each album Wolves in the Throne Room where they did experiment with their

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like they did with the previous album, which was really just a takeoff. Those were two companion albums, two previous ones before this. Who knows? George can also find the new Haken album without vocals. That would be perfect. Oh man, I'd be all over that band. Yeah, they make it as an instrumental band for sure. One of my favorite songs nowadays is the 80s song from the new Haken album.

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I don't have a problem with the music the music's fine I just I'm just I'm just throwing that out there just now and then I'm like chasing I was riding the wave but no one was joining me in that way blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah all right fair enough anyway

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Why don't we move on to our top five?

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In honor of the exiting

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We're doing our top five metal and rock keyboard players. We're going to start with Andreas, go on to Yanni, then John, Jamie. Yeah, well, we'll just leave a blank spot for Will. He wouldn't like any keyboard player anyway. That was part of why I decided to do that, was he's not here to poo-poo it. So for the listeners, whatever I come up with, Will likes equally, if not more.

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This was hard, by the way. This was hard. So should I go first, or Jani? No. Andres, you go first, but remember you start from the fifth. Yeah, go five, and then we all do our fives. So your least favorite first. Okay, number five for me. Top, Metal, and Rock keyboardist. Actually, even though this is probably my favorite,

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or at least second-favorite band of all time. Tony Banks from Genesis is my number five pick. Right on. Before we get to Yanni, I should just mention that I did say that Present Company is excluded, so nobody has to feel awkward. I gotta come up with a new number one now, shit. I also think Yanni's list is the only one that really matters, so, you know. All right, Yanni, go.

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My chart that I did at work. Yeah, he put a lot of work into this. Do you have the picture? I don't know. I have it on my phone. Yeah, well, I don't know if we can get it now. So I went through all the keyboard players I know, and I charted them according to skill, sound, composition, skill, style.

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And then I made a sort of average of everyone. Because I'm that fucking awesome. So number five wins in the style category. So this is only because he has the best style. And that's the former keyboardist of Opeth, Pärviiberi. Nice. Death organ. Yes.

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Exactly. Cool. All right. John. So mine, I have a qualifier. I kept mine to guys who play in metal. Otherwise, I would never leave like past 1974. So all these guys were in some kind of a metal band at some point. And I'm sure I'll be laughed at for all my picks, but that's okay. Just practicing. There you go. All right. Hey, that's good. So this guy, maybe you know him,

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Maybe you don't. Who knows. Anyway, his name is Matt Gilroy. And he's a keyboardist for a band way back in the late 90s called Dolly's Dilemma. He played with Zero Hour, Explorers Club. And he's currently James Labrie from Dream Theater. He's his keyboardist. He wasn't on my chart. That's okay, because I have a completely different chart.

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All right. We'll see. Sorry, John. I've just... I don't know who that is. Yeah. And that's quite all right. Okay. So I think we all used a lot of different factors here. And so people have made my list for different reasons. This person, for just sheer creativity, I think they bring a lot to... This person brought a lot to this band, though I don't think they were at all... That's a good chart. That they were not a keyboard-dominant band,

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But he put all these little tasteful things in there that made the atmosphere of this band. So it is Josh Silver from Typo Negative. Nice! How come I haven't seen the chart yet? I just sent it through the... He just Skyped it. Yeah, it's a Skype message. That's a really interesting pick, Jay. Well, you know, I mean, it's not like he's, you know, some crazy key twiddler, you know, but I mean, he... But he added a lot to Typo Negative's music. Yeah, that's exactly what I mean.

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Yeah. Right on. So mine are not all like that, but there's one other that stands out like that. I wouldn't call him a piano player or a keyboard player, but he's done a lot with what he's done. So we'll, I'll get to that one. Yeah. So that brings us back to you, Yanni. No, actually me. I'm sorry, George. But no one cares about George. Yeah. Well, actually, I'm going to need Yanni's help with this one because my number five was your number five. So if you could pronounce that for me. Par. Repeat after me.

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Pat? Par. Par. Vibari. Vibari? Yes. Nice. But without the question. I would have said Per Weiberg. Me too. But yeah, from Opeth. Surprise pick for me, perhaps, but no. Worthy. I like him. Yeah. All right. Now back to Yanni for number four. Or sorry, no, Andreas. Yeah, okay. This is probably going to be on everybody's list.

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Right from Pink Floyd doesn't really need any explanation. Best sound probably ever in tape recording. Awesome. I forgot that one. All right, Jani. My next one is my black horse, as you say. I wonder if Jay or

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John can guess this but a guy who probably a keyboard player from the 70s from a 70s hard rock band who probably was more in the end more known of his compositions rather than you know his skill or you know his role as a as an organ player shoot um no he don't know you know there's

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There's a radio single that's still playing called Lady in Black. By Uriah Heep. Oh, John, we are the Uriah Heep fans. We suck, dude. Yeah, so Ken Hensley is my number four. Ken Hensley. And he wins the composition part because he was the best songwriter in my... Wonderful, man. Oh, that's great. We don't talk to enough Uriah Heep fans in general, obviously. The Heep.

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All right. Well, it makes me want to go listen to something now. Okay. Do we have to wait for you? Yeah. All right. John, number four. All right. Again, sticking to all metal. So I'm not picking anyone from the 70s or 80s for that matter. But maybe Crickets again, probably. But anyway, his name is Richard, but it's not Richard, right? It's Richard West from Threshold.

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I don't know his name, but I have been listening to them lately. So yeah, that's cool.

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Yeah, same.

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Right on. It's funny because, well, it's just funny that you're not doing anything out of the 70s.

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Okay.

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Yeah, I thought John would be like, Wakeman, Banks, Wakeman again.

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Yeah, me too.

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Wakeman for a third time.

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Done it so many times.

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Yeah.

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You know, I like Rick Wakeman, but sometimes I just wish he would stop. I would say if I had to pick from the 70s, Tony Banks would be my choice first over Rick Wakeman, personally. Do you see in the chart there that George sent you? The guy who has 10 skill, 10 composition, and 10 sound has style 6.

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He looks like a freaking high school teacher when he's playing up there.

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Yeah, he's the only guy in the band in those 70s videos where he's wearing like a two button down polo shirt and the other guys are wearing like capes and whatever.

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And he has this like look on his face that, you know, he's going to punish some students afterwards.

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Jay, what's your number four? I'm siding with Andreas on this one, Richard Wright. Cool. All right. I'm going to take a little flack for my number four, I think. Going to Italy for this one, Alex Staropoli. Oy, oy, oy, oy, oy. From Rhapsody. Or Rhapsody of Fire, I don't know which one. That's my honorary.

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Mention or what do you call it? Honorable Mention? Yeah, exactly. The chick that sings for them is really cute, man. Hey, I met her him. We got to interview them on their tour bus. That was funny. Never did post that because it was all messed up. But anyway. Did you interview Fabio Leone? Yeah, Fabio, Luca, Alex, whoever. Did you come into the bus?

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I would just think that he would just talk all the time. You are really, really great. I think Luca talked the most, actually. Luca and Fabio. All right, back to Andreas for number three. Yes, I put number three, Edgar Froese from Tangerine Dream. Nice. Interesting. Because I've been, this past maybe one and a half years, I've been listening to Tangerine Dream basically nonstop.

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I can't get enough of them. They have so many good albums. You can just put something on while you're working or at home. Yeah, I've actually picked up some of that stuff in the last year too. It's good. Yeah, I also found like used LP of Fajdra from our record store nearby. It was a nice found. Only like maybe 18 euros or something. Nice. Used LP, but yeah.

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I almost regard him more as... because why I didn't consider him was because I consider him more of a sound designer or... how would you say? Yeah, that's true. Composer, sound designer. Yeah, because I had a few others I thought about, but it's sort of wrong because it's not in the same ballpark as a guy who just plays keys for a band.

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You're absolutely right and I think my number three

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is right in that

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I'll get to it when I get to it

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Alright well Yanni what's your three?

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So we've gone through style

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and compositionals

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and now it's down to

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raw technical skill

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like the

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fingers that go faster

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than

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That sounds like my number three

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Than the left hand

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that's jerking the penis

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I'm going to take a wild guess and just say Derek Sherinian. No. No, okay. No, he's a noob. My number three is Keith Emerson. Ah, I was wondering if he was going to be on here. By the way, I think I am going to have to take a sample of that other hand jerking the penis thing. Yeah. Well, if you've ever seen him live, he actually does do something with some little keyboard thing he puts in front of himself and it shoots out.

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sparks and everything so there is some penis involved in his playing yeah and then he just flips with the piano yes it's just yeah it's it's everyone should have seen that once in their life at least i i think i think god once said that there's only one keith emerson and thank god for that direct quote yeah but but but i love him still yeah it's like he's like the spinal tap

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version of, you know, you know, many would probably want to hate him, but they just don't have enough, you know, humor in them, because he's both great and a bit sad at the same time, and it's great. Yeah, he's over the top, but he's only over the top if you take him seriously, and you don't have to, and then again, you can, which is totally fine as well.

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Well, and he also, not that this factors in anything, but just left us last year. He died last year. Yeah, exactly. All the keyboard players have actually started leaving now. Yeah, watch out, dude. That's because they get the least exercise in the band. Yeah, well, Mikko, the guy who painted the cover, already said that because George named the episode a script for my Requiem, so I will commit suicide tonight and make it happen.

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make the name even more fitting. Don't do it, man. We've picked in some deaths somehow. We do. Where George goes, death follows. Seems to be, man. I mean, as soon as I liked Charles Bradley, he died. Yep. Jeez. All right, John, what's your number three? Well, I like this guy not for the band he used to be in, but for a band he's in right now. So I'm going to, and I'm not going to even attempt to say it properly, so don't even try.

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Go ahead, Yanni. Go ahead, give your five and George's. Yeah, George's five, I think, or whatever. For my number three. Potter. I got that one. I can't do the second part. Go ahead. So do that. This is Parry again. Thank you. Yes. But I like him more for his work with spiritual beggars, personally. Yeah. So. All right. Thank you. Jay. All right. Somebody who creates soundscares.

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more than just hammering away at beautifully written. Well, whatever. This guy's really creative. I thought somebody needed to say his name. Trent Reznor. Nice. Yeah, that's a good pick. Yeah, that's a... Fuck. I forgot that totally. That's a really good pick. All right. I'm going to need some help with my number three. Nobody's mentioned him yet. I put him on here because I saw his band one time,

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And I happened to be standing on his side of the stage. And he blew my mind with his finger work. He's from Finland. Near a place called Lake Bodum. Children of Bodum, in fact, is his band. Look at the chart, man. I don't even know. Is his name pronounced Jani? It's spelled differently. No, it's Janne. Janne. And how did you say his last name?

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Wierman.

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Wierman.

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That would have been my guess, too.

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So Janne Wierman.

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Chilling about him.

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Yeah.

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He was on the chart, but he didn't make it.

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Didn't make the cut.

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The thing I like about this chart, too, is the chart is on a whiteboard,

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so that means you had to be pacing while you were doing this.

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I love this.

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All right.

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Back to Andreas for number two.

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Yeah, number two. Well, John Lord from Deep Purple. Nice. Better be at least close to him. Another one who just left us, so that actually may have been a John Lord composition there. Yeah. We got a Ouija board hooked up to the microphone. John. All right. Yanni, number two. This was the hardest decision was the number one.

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I think my number one wins in every other thing. So for the best sound and the best soundscapes and to think that he is probably the worst by far in technical skill of all of this is Richard Wright from Pink Floyd. Fair enough. Yeah. Okay. Cool. That takes us back to John again.

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All right. Don't know if anyone will like this guy. Probably not, but whatever. No, you guys have all heard of this band. And it's Michael Piniella from Symphony X. Oh, you know, I thought about him. I always liked the fact that he could keep up with Mike Romeo on guitar. Yeah, he's one of the guys that the left hand can get the wood out. He was going to be an honorable member.

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Yeah, he can play. All right. Jay, number two. All right. Another one that may not be the technically greatest keyboard player on the list, though he's certainly competent. But the fact that he can do it and simultaneously sing and play the bass with his feet. Getty Lee. Noisy. Yeah. I mean, Getty plays the bass pedals literally live watching that man play the bass pedals with his feet, play the keyboards and sing. And their compositions

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are not that simple. Come on.

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So anyway.

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Yeah, I'm not. No, I'm not. I'm not sure if I would.

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Couldn't convince you.

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No, I mean, yeah, he's good, but I don't know if I could like accept him as a keyboard player because he's a bass player. He's vocalist. And now he's also a keyboard player.

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No, you're right. You're right. Fair enough.

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I think it's the sheer sort of that reason.

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It's just the sheer handling three jobs at once.

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But then I could have also almost made John Paul Jones on my list. Oh. Because... If only for No Quarter, which is like one of the great people. Yeah, exactly. So if the... I think you should have a multi-instrumentalist top five at some point. There you go. That's a good idea. Yeah. Well, Geddy's going to win on that one probably. Most instruments, so that's probably my gold field then. Yeah.

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There's not an instrument in the world he can't play. The guy down on Constitution and 14th that's standing there with the bass drum on his back, the cymbals, the flute in his hand. The flute in his hand. There it is with the penis thing again. See? It just comes out. It always comes back to the penis. It always does. I gotta sample that too. I'm gonna have a field day. My number two has already been kind of pooped. Hold on, George.

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If you're going any further, you really shouldn't clip out that part what you just said. Somebody said, it always comes back to the penis. And you said, I got to get a sample of that. Take a sample of that as well. Walked right into it. So my number two has already been kind of poo-pooed for being on the list, but Rick Wakeman. No, yeah, he's fabulous. I just sometimes need him to stop. That's all. He just does a lot. Yeah. But he's great. He's great.

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Here we are at number one. Oh my god. Andreas. Okay, yeah, so this is not going to be much of a metal list for me because all the great keyboardists are in the proxy. But yeah, Rick Wakeman for me, number one. Before the show, I think yesterday, I sent me that my top five will be Wakeman, Wakeman, Wakeman, Wakeman. I expected him to be on here a lot.

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He's just so over the top and so shameless in a way. So it's always nice to see him. Whatever he does, it's always. Yeah, but that's my reason why I chose Emerson over Rick Wakeman. Because I think Emerson is sort of Wakeman like exponentially in two, you know. He's like, they're so similar. I think Wakeman's both positional skills are much better than Emerson's. That might be true, yeah. But they're not still as good as, say,

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I think I almost should have put Tony Banks in with the composition it's it's so and so but but Wakeman has always I'm not sure I'm I'm feeling a little bit maybe bad about not having Wakeman in here but I still think that Emerson is a sort of more over-the-top version of Wakeman which is a which is why I but yeah so who's your number one yeah well

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This answer would have known this without me even telling him so so the guy who wins in both style composition skill and sound who's the best in everything is John Lord Second in this again. Right back at you John. You got to listen you got to think about that this guy has composed for a symphonic orchestra

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69 or was it 70 uh he has a classical trained background he and he invented invented uh hammond organ that this dream and draw marshall's speaker with distortion because he couldn't keep up with with uh blackmore sound otherwise and he's basically done everything i think that you can do in metal and hard rock keyboards i i don't think they write the riff for smoke

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Yeah.

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Many people still think it's a guitar that is playing at one point when it's his organ.

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So he plays his organ.

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Hence the penis for references.

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It just occurred to me.

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That's why that's so easily done here.

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It just hit on the side of the head, Jay.

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It really did.

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I'm always getting hit on the side of the head with the organ, John.

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It's actually Hammond's organ.

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Yeah.

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And the lower register is there so you can, you know, hammer it with your penis while you're playing the upper register. And I'll go so far as to say, without even knowing he did it, he might even be the first death organ or death keyboard player, you know, like the guys today. He had this just deep, nasty sound, you know, that nobody did for years.

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Yeah, and I think also he is the first sort of, and almost only, I would say almost only, sort of like really rock star keyboardist. Can you think, Emerson went close, I think, but, you know, if you think like, you know, with guitar heroes like Blackmore and Jimmy Cage and like this, yeah. So I think John Lord, you know, with his, you know, Ray-Bans and, you know, Longhead.

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and shredding that Hammond organ. It's the only person to me. And in metal, of course, there's been a resurgence in that sense. But I think Lorde is still the standard. And I hate the fact that Hammond organ is dying in metal nowadays. I don't even know. I think it's because immediately people in my mind, not in my mind, but I think what people do is they tag you in retro band right away.

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If you've got a hand organ going, yeah. And that's the only reason people avoid it, but it's like one of the greatest sounds in the universe. I mean... But if you drive it enough, then it sounds like a guitar, so what does it matter? I couldn't agree. No, it's a great sound. There's no reason to stay away from it, but I honestly think that's one of the reasons. Yeah. All right. Well, John, what's your number one? Well, actually, his name was mentioned regarding playing keyboards with your penis already by somebody on here.

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But he's been in a gazillion bands. He's played with everybody from Kiss to Alice Cooper. And he's been in a boatload of other bands. He's in some bands I don't like, like Black Country, Communion, and I don't know about the Sons of Apollo. But I'm a huge fan of his solo work. He got me into the whole metal fusion sound, or brought me back into it. And that's Derek Sherinian. I'm just a fan of his solo work. I like Planet X a lot.

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And I like when he ventures more into a metalized version of Jeff Beck from the late 70s. And, you know, I mean, Wankville or not, man, he went toe-to-toe with Yngwie, you know, and that's saying a lot for a guy doing something like that. He's got some balls. He's not afraid to play with anybody at all. And he's a Berkeley school, you know, schooled guy, so he's definitely got the chops. But I like him more for his own personal solo stuff when he does...

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Like I said, like a metalized version of Jeff Beck's Fusion Years. I like that a lot. Cool. Awesome. Jay, number one. You know, for the mustache alone, there's enough reason to worship this man, but there's just, there can be only one, and it is John Lord. I'm such a big Deep Purple. There you go. Respect. I knew I could count on you, Jay. You know, and my love for Deep Purple runs, I mean, they are one of my

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Desert Island Bands across the catalog with only a few exceptions and the later albums and stuff. But yeah, it was a big deal when he died and there's just so many things that I love about John Lorde. And I agree with you, he's the originator, he's the rock star. He was a badass, he was a big man too, by the way. A posing figure. There's actually a very nice video you can find on YouTube where Lorde is playing with the Opeth rhythm section with Mendes and

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Cool.

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If you didn't know, you should check it out. They put together this semi-acoustic kick where Lord is playing piano.

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Wow.

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And Axe actually told Mikael that when Axe had asked Lord what is the tempo of this song, Lord had answered that "about 140" and he had started, and Lord had started clapping, like "about 140" in class.

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And then Axe had taken his metronome up and put 140 when Lorde was going clap clap and it was exactly 140. That's awesome. That's awesome, dude. That's amazing. All right. Number one. There you go. John Lorde. Yeah. Yeah. So he was on everybody's list at least, wasn't he? Oh, no, John didn't. No, because I didn't. I kept mine.

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you know for the most part all metal well yanni would uh beg to differ with you because he guessed right away that my number one was going to be john lord i was like god damn it uh yeah because you said that you wanted all metal except for one guy from some other and then because john metal uh john lord is metal that's just how it is yeah it's yeah i'm the same it's it's proto metal but it's metal there you go and i couldn't agree with you more than it okay so okay you just said something i've been pushing

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to do a proto-metal top five. I want to do that. Because I think it would be fun to talk about the bands that we don't now think of as metal that were metal 35, 40 years ago. I would definitely listen to that because there's probably a lot of material that I don't know. Cool. Let's do it. And what's funny about that topic, in a sense, is the fact that the heaviest bands in the beginning of the 70s were the ones

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that were using the Hammond organ in that way because it gave them that heavier edge. If you think Uriah Heaves, Look at Yourself, and then... - Salisbury and stuff like that. - Yeah, and then Deep Purple's in Rock. So those were heavy as fuck and mostly due to the driven Hammond organ. - Is that Rainbow Demon? Is that what? Is this one great? - Yeah. - Yeah, and Demons and Wizards that...

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I don't know if anybody else had any honorable mentions, but I have a couple that I'm just going to throw out there. Most of them were already mentioned. John Oliva, Josh Silver, Esan, and he falls into the not known as a keyboard player, but he's pretty badass. Trent Reznor, Roddy Bottom from Faith No More, and the dude from Europe that wrote the final countdown, Rev.

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is awesome.

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Yeah, I have two.

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I have one of the mentions.

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Peter Hamill,

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from Van der Graaf Generator.

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Well, he's not exactly a keyboard player,

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but he's my favorite vocalist of all time, probably.

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Per Weeberg,

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Mirai Kawashima from PSY,

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and Anna-Sophie Dahlberg from Anekdota.

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PSY.

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Nice.

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Nice.

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I'll throw out a couple,

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just because they were two I really struggled with not putting on my list.

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There's a million of them, as you guys know,

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but I really considered putting John Alaba

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there, but didn't do it. And that would be from that composer standpoint, I think. And this one's a really simple one, but I like Paul Raymond from UFO quite a bit. I'm a huge UFO fan, but I like what Paul Raymond does with them. And he was kind of more of a multi-instrumentalist, but he did some really cool things with them. Still does, actually. He's still in the band. Real quick, I'll mention a guy that nobody mentioned so far, and I don't think it's because he's, I don't know if he's a great skill guy, but he's been, he's played with a ton of people.

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He's been on some iconic albums

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and he kind of gets lost but he's actually in Deep Purple right now

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Yes, Don Airey

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I almost put him on there but I was like

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I can't put two Deep Purple guys on there

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I don't think he's a super skilled guy

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I mean maybe I'm wrong about that

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He's super super skilled

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You don't really think of him that way

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You just think that he's been involved in some of these great albums

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and he's toured with so many great bands

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as their keyboardist

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If I had to have an honorable mention

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if I ventured out of my little conditions I put together, he would be one of my guys. Just simply just for Blizzard of Oz alone. Just for that. But he's also on some Rainbow Records, dude. He's on both Blizzard of Oz, he's on Bark at the Moon. He might actually be one of the most underrated kids. And you know, Jay, he would have been on Diary of a Madman, which he was credited at first, but he's actually not because he was touring, I think, with Rainbow at the time. Which is kind of funny because I love that

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early rainbow period you know not so much in the 80s but you know and if nothing else even

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though i don't think it's the most amazing thing in the world i mean this is the man who's

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responsible for that mr crowley intro which is massively famous you know i mean yeah yeah

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awesome that's a good one all right there were still my my honorable mentions which is only i think

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if we don't count the trent rezzlers and others have been mentioned already uh jay you should listen to

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I already showed George and John the Black Mages, which is a video game music composer, but he's composed most of those tracks with the Hammond organ in mind. The Black Mages? Yeah, that's his band, which they have done hard rock covers of his video game music.

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He sounds like a happier John.

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I would say like a...

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Yeah, maybe Wakeman meets John Lord.

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Sort of like a happier John Lord maybe.

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He has...

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It's actually... I would have had him on my list, but I think he's more of like a video game music composer than a keyboard player.

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But yeah.

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Hey, I got one last one. I wasn't going to say it, but I'm going to say it now because I have to actually. Sure. It's a boy. This guy, I don't know how much his skill is out there. I think he's a pretty good player. But if you want to talk soundscapes and being original and creating original sound that nobody was doing, that's Richard Barbieri from Porcupine Tree. I was surprised he was not on your list. Well, because I went with guys that were penis and left hand keyboard or right hand keyboard.

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that ventured into the keytar at some point. But he is definitely one of my favorites just for his innovative way of looking at using his keyboards. Because he never really shredded on stage ever when I've seen him, but he's always got something different going on all the time. And he's a great guy. So we're going to move on to what we're listening to lately.

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Why don't we start with Andreas?

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Listen to Lately, let's see.

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Well, The Pain of Salvation, In the Passing Light of Day, this is my album of the year.

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without no doubt. I listen to it quite a lot still, even though I first heard it in January. Junius' Rituals for the Aggression of Light. This is quite an interesting album. It's like, I don't know how to describe it, like false metal sludgy something, clean vocals only. Yeah, they're interesting. Yeah, I've heard it. Yeah, okay. Very good atmosphere. It's hard to say. Sometimes it's

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The songs are quite hard to distinguish from each other, but the flow is good. Unfortunately, the first time I heard them was live. They were on tour with Enslaved, and they didn't sound good. The singer sounded like he was out of key with the rest of the band, and I kind of slagged on them. And then I heard their first album, and I was like, oh, it's actually pretty good, so I had to eat my words.

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Yeah.

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It's a really good album. You should check it out if you like post-metal, Kult of Luna stuff.

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Yeah.

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Then this is my favorite Synthwave album because I've recently discovered this genre, Nightstop, Streetwalkers, Finnish Synthwave or Retrowave.

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Synthwave, all right.

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And also been listening to the Demi Lich album, Nespithe from what is 1991 or something.

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That's a classic. Yeah, that's so good. Frog Death Metal Growls. And some Elder. Also some Alkaloid from the first album. The new Elder? Yeah, the new Elder. I listened to it once. It didn't catch me, but I keep hearing so many things about it, I know I need to go back to it and give it another chance. What about you, George? Have you? I have not been back to it, no.

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I know I like some of their earlier stuff, I just haven't listened to this one that much yet. I think Andreas has got to be the fifth person that's told me that's resonating with them. And you were talking about Alkaloid? Yeah, well, the first or the only album for now, it's Malakut Grimoire. That is probably one of my favorite Tech Tech records. What are you talking about Malakut Grimoire?

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Ja, ettei se ensin kuitenkin, kun en näytänyt, mutta se on kuitenkin yhä.

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Joo, se on.

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Ja sitten on best album 2015, ja sekin tuntui vinylsäkin, Sunset in the 12th house.

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Oh, oh man.

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Se album on niin hyvä, joten se on suuri käsitellä.

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Jos haluat Tangerine Dream.

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You can't really listen to that unless you have a good hangover, drunk going on. No, I like it basically always. Okay, but yeah, that's a fantastic album. And one more and funny mention. This is the greatest deathcore album ever made. Slice the Cake, Odyssey of the West. You have to listen to it. This is actually really good. That is really good.

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I think they made my list. Yeah, my list last year. I saw the band name. I'm like, well, that sounds ridiculous. I'm not going to listen to that. But I did, and it was really good. Yeah, yeah. It's quite interesting. This is most definitely the greatest Deathcore album ever made because it's impossible to make better in this genre. And you know, there's a lot of controversy around that album. Because there was a composer that wrote the music.

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and sort of hired this band to play this music. And they recorded the album, and he didn't like it. And so he wanted to scrap it, and the band took the album anyway and released it. And so they're at odds with each other over the album. Okay, but yeah, they're probably not a signed band, so it's probably hard to get all the rights.

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It's a good thing to release it. It's a good album. I think so. Yeah, I thought so too. It blew my mind. Andreas, I'm trying to decide what that orange amp behind you is. It's Rockerverb 50 Mark II. It's not mine. That's not yours. Okay. You also have the obligatory big metal fan. Yeah, I have a Rockerverb. I love it. Is it somebody in your band or do you share your room with somebody? No, it's the other band. Other band, yeah.

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I'm using actually this small modeler for now. But I'm thinking of buying maybe 5150 or something. What is the modeler you use? I'd be curious to know. Atomic amplifier. It's like pedal. Okay. Cool. And is that what produced the sounds on the record? No, that's real amp. That is Chris's producer's amp. We used Engels Savage and

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I think I'm not sure cool yeah you got good tones I like your tone so nice to know the pickups are pickups are the Seymour Duncan 59 and Jazz sorry 59 and JB okay cool classic yeah well it it came stock stock pickups in the guitar so gotcha all right all right Yanni what are you listening to

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Let's see here.

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I'm gonna take a break for now.

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Cue up the dope smoker.

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He actually took a break.

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He's going.

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He's going.

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He's coming back.

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More beer.

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It's the fail.

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Yeah, what did I have listed?

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Because I have been actually going since I left the band.

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And I am no longer forced to listen.

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to certain kinds of music by Ansu. He always put me in a corner and placed the headphones on my ears and played Ghost of Perdition 24-7 in my ears. So I would learn the first riff on keyboard. I've been listening to the new Enziferum.

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and trying to understand what's happening. Actually, even though the really basic songs are super bad, but there's a few ones that I'm a little bit on the fence of. Maybe they actually did something new here and I just don't understand it yet. So let's see where that's going. But the basic, like, oh, sing for a metal. Yeah.

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Let's leave it at that. And then the elder reflections of a floating world. Everybody keeps telling me to listen to it. Yeah, we talked about that with Ansel. I really, because I can't get into the stoner stuff. I just can't. That's your American thing and I can't understand it. That's kind of stoner though.

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Yeah, so I was coming to that. So it starts with the Duru-mi stuff, which is interesting to me and fine, but then it goes to the Stoner stuff. And, you know, it's, yeah, maybe it's reflections of a floating world, but... But you, I mean, overall, you give it a thumbs up? Yeah, I'm like, I go in and I go out, and I go in and I go out. I like it at times, and then at

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It sounds like Brent Hines has come in and has some issues.

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He has some issues? I do think he has a lot of issues.

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They're kind of a jam band, which that's part of the stoner thing.

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That's the trouble I kind of have with them is they're a little jam band for me.

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Like let's just all go off and solo now for three minutes.

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Yeah, but what is jam then in the end? Because it's hard.

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I like some of the jamming moments but then again I mean it's what is for example Vector's terminal redox from last year that's like most like the whole album is almost like jamming around you know with hardcore trash metal stuff but I love it the whole way through and this has part okay this is not the same genre at all I get that but this has some of

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the stuff that I really like and then comes the stoner stuff that I don't like. I don't know. I can't give like a verdict yet. Did you guys both like the last one or which may have been their first? I think it's their first one. The last one. Which band? Elder. The lore. This is the only album I've listened to. It's different. Yeah, I think I like the previous one a little better. It's more cohesive. Exactly.

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And so because that one resonated with me and then the new one. But again, I need to give it another chance because people are talking about it after us. And then, of course, the Master Brute record that George already took out there. Nice. Earlier. Because that sort of ties into all the rest I've been listening to, which is I'm not going to start to list it here because it's it's Carpenter Brute and it's.

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It's perturbator and it's... Perturbator. Yeah, it's you name it. Synthwave, Chillwave, Vaporwave. All the waves that there are. Have you noticed that Carpenter Brood, at least the one album in Spotify, the mastering is so loud. It's clipping like half the time. It's quite hard to listen to. Yeah. That's why I like the Nightstop album.

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which I mentioned earlier because it's very good. It's the same genre but the producing is much better. Yeah. And a little bit more analog maybe. But yeah. Well I think perturbator. How do you pronounce that even? I think you got it. Yeah. Masterbator. Apprenticebator. Apprenticebator and then you practice and then you become the masterbator.

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Exactly. I think he has probably the best sound quality and sort of the best grasp on what's going on. But then again, I know so much video game music stuff from really obscure guys that do just their jobs to create some video game music soundtrack. And they do an amazing job. So it's hard to say.

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There's so many. And then the chill wave, vapor wave genres are like their own beats. It's more of like ambient stuff and stuff like that. And it's hard to pick up because it's not as much like this band with this record and it's more like a big set list on and then you just start coding or something. So it's hard to pick up.

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But if I would have to say one just from those genres, it would be the soundtrack of a Finnish video game called Next Makkina. I can write it. George at least should listen to it because if you like that. So I can post the link to the soundtrack. It's pretty funny. They're collaborating with Harry Kruger and it's the same guy who has composed the Angry Birds theme, who has

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this soundtrack and it's synthwave, so it's quite a leap. Cool. John, what are you listening to? All right. Probably a longer list for me than it has been recently, but we mentioned The Wolves in the Throne Room, Thrice Woven, been listening to that. I did listen to The Arch Spire, which we mentioned earlier. I won't really say much more about that. The new Contortionist, Clairvoyant, I've been spinning a lot. I like those guys, but I like them on their last two albums. I'm not big on their

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of metal deathcore stuff. But the last two I like. And this album's completely gotten rid of all the harsh vocals. So I was a little surprised by that. But I like it. On a little bit of a Panopticon kick lately, since George and I just saw them at the Shadow Woods Fest, which the set was amazing. I really, really liked it. And we've been fortunate to see two of his, what, five shows he's ever done? Six, I think, maybe. Six, yeah. But the last two albums I've been listening to, Autumn Eternal and Road to the North.

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And I like them both. And

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The New Enslaved, which is not out yet, but we

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it's what, I think under a month now, roughly?

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I think it's in October sometime.

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Yeah. And we have the pro to that. I've been

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listening to that a lot. And

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I like it. It's

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good. I mean, I'm never

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disappointed with those guys anyway.

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I mean, not like some as many as others, but it's another

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consistent record for me, at least.

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And, of course, we've

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mentioned it because they're here.

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But I've been spinning the Perihelion Ship new album to paint a bird of fire a lot. So it's a pretty good album. I don't know. We may have said that a few times. So that's it for me. All right. Jay. My list is pretty short. I can't true and honestly say Perihelion Ship has been listening to a lot in this house lately. Partially preparing for the episode. But you've always really did make a very fine record this year. And I guarantee you it's going to be on my year end list.

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and is not a favor to anybody. It's really nice. I hope that people will give this

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a listen when it comes out, though you can actually listen to some samples now, as mentioned.

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I am spending some time with the new SatyraCon to see where it sits with me. Still on the fence.

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I haven't got anything to say about that yet. As mentioned, I like the Mirkur.

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Just like John, I'm listening to the new Enslaved record.

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It's a real treat to have

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get things in advance because we're on the podcast.

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And I'm a huge enslaved fan. So this one fits it just like John said it fits somewhere in there. I mean, it's kind of reminds me of vertebrae probably more than any of the other ones, but it's got a little bit of everything about them. And then George and I, I think said we were going to say our impressions of this record on this podcast that I don't think I'm going to George, I think I'm going to review it. In fact, I know I'm going to review it. Not it's not the enslaved. It's the bell witch. And that's not because I'm going to say it's the greatest record I've ever heard. It's super difficult.

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But there's a lot of things I want to say about it. So I've been listening to The Bell Witch, which is not out yet. I'll say this. One thing I will say is, to me, it sounds exactly like the cover looks. And that's not necessarily praise. Bell Witch. Yeah, you might hate it, dude. It's like... It doesn't matter how to check it out anyway. Okay. Well, this one's not out yet, but the last one is good. I call it J-Metal. You got it.

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Yeah, Four Phantoms is, it's, this guy, he, they have, it's just a bass and drums and singing, and then they have this guest singer on most of the records, but he plays with two hands on the fretboard, so it's not overdubbed when you hear this stuff, it's just, that's just him playing. But anyway, there's a lot to say about the new record, and as a band that we really like on this podcast, it's going to be divisive. I'll tell you right now, I'm not necessarily going to give it a glowing review, but it's complicated because of,

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I think the subject matter and stuff. So I'm going to leave it at that. But it's a difficult record and I'm not necessarily telling people they should listen to it. All right. I'll have more to say on it. But I'll say this. I think it's a work of art and I'm not necessarily praise either. I'm just saying that's what it is. I think it's a whole other thing. It's got its own weird genre to it. So I'll leave it at that. And I think I can be more articulate in writing. Okay. Yeah. And that brings us to you, George. All right. Normally this is when people want to take a break and queue up.

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and all that. But it's only been like two weeks since our last episode. So I don't have that much. So first thing I've been listening to is the new Alpha Tiger self-titled albums. Their fourth album. It's a German power metal band. I've never really listened to them all that much. But they were mentioned in the book Damn the Machine, the noise records history. And so I decided to check it out. It wasn't bad. It's power metal.

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German Power Metal is fine anyways all the time.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, we have power metal.

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And the next up is the new Bell Witch.

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Mirror Reaper is the name of it.

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I don't know if you mentioned that.

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I didn't.

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And it's not out yet, but we've got the promo.

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And it's one track at one hour and 23 minutes and change.

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So it's actually longer than Dope Smoker, the album that we use as our joke long album. And I sat through it beginning to end a couple days ago. And I like their previous work. And I don't, I'm curious what Jay's going to say in his review, but I don't dislike it. However, for an,

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A Song That's An Hour and 23 Minutes Long. There's not a lot of meat on the bones. It should have gone. It doesn't go a lot of places. It's kind of like, here's a chord. Let's spend 20 minutes on it. Here's another chord. Yeah. Back to the first chord. Okay, we're distorted now. Okay, we're going to do that for like 20 minutes. Now we're going to do the same chord clean. Yeah. And here it is again. The second one. Okay, and we're going to do that for another 20 minutes.

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And so there's not it seems a little repetitive and slow. But honestly, you can't you can't be vector for an hour and 23 minutes. So this is the kind of you kind of have to gauge this from a completely different scale than you would anything else. You know, I'm going to share a couple of my thoughts with you now, because I really I can do it better in writing. But and I don't mean to get all deep on you here.

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But first and foremost, the record is them partially digesting the death of their drummer. So if there was ever a dirge, this is a dirge, like a motherfucker. For sure. And then I will also say, without making it personal or deep, as I say, I listened to it for the first time on the four-year anniversary of my brother's death. And so I kind of had a different experience with it, but I can tell you right now, I'm not necessarily going to tell people to buy it. But I've got a lot of things to say about it that mix in those facts.

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and that I think they were kind of honoring their drummer's memory in a weird sort of way and then also well the rest all have to do by words but it's a very difficult record and I can tell you this even if it makes my year-end list which it might I don't know if I'll ever listen to it more than three times all the way through yeah so that's a weird fact but it's I'm telling you yeah it's the kind of thing that if I listen to it again it's going to be I'm going to put it on the background while I'm doing something else because yeah it's just it's too long to

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to dedicate an hour and 23 minutes to just sitting down and listening to by itself with regularity.

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And as far as just like having a varied amount of things going on, it doesn't demand an hour and 23 minutes. It's just that they didn't go a lot of places, you know.

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So it is what it is, but I'm going to deal with that in my review, too, about what that means to me.

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But as far as it being a metaphor for death, I'll say this. They nailed it.

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It is eternal

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But I will say that I think the last half hour or so

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is probably my favorite

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I really dug the clean vocal thing that he did

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towards the end there

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That's the guest vocalist

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He's also on Four Phantoms and the first record

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and they think of him as their sort of spiritual third member

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So that's not even a member of the band

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but I agree with him

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See these are things I don't know

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I just know what I like

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I've moved to get this review done pretty quick and it's going to be only as confusing as everything we've just said but still. Where are you doing reviews? Which site? We are on metalheads.com it's the podcast Facebook page or podcast web page. Yeah we've been sort of not doing many reviews the last year or so we're trying to get back on that horse and do more writing. Our podcast takes so much time that. Have you thought about doing video

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I used to do video stuff, just me, before I started the podcast and brought everybody else in. It's funny you say that because I'm sort of gearing up towards doing short, single album video things that I can just put up on YouTube.

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Well, and you just did an audio review, so we're stepping up the writing again. I'm going to have this review up pretty soon, and secondarily I'm almost finished with

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Part 2 or the next edition in the

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Why I Love series. And I'm doing Celtic Frost.

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Sweet!

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Yeah, I'll send it to you soon. It's close to finished.

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But those take time.

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So now that I said the video thing, I guess I gotta do it.

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And I guess if you want to

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sort of continue the channel,

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the video log stuff

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is probably the future in that sense.

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Even though

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if you would hate it, you probably should

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on it because it's funny because I started doing video and then went to podcasting partly because it took less time to edit and because you can listen to something in your car you can't really watch a YouTube video in your car not if you want to like you know not crash so it's literally an invitation but that's that's changing I think but sorry it is yeah well only that I was going to extend to you to an invitation because I really believe

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We did a lot of different guests, but you are two guys that I think think about music the way that we do. You pick apart things, obviously. If you ever want to review a record, we'll gladly post any review that you do on our web page. If you ever feel so moved. Don't review your own record. By the way, I forgot one album from what I've been listening to, actually, the Xantokroid. Oh, yeah, me too. Part one. And boy, does it suck.

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It's cinematic. Actually, is that on my list? It's not on my list. It should have been on my list. I'm not done with my list, by the way. But my understanding is that, okay, so the Earth and Axon, I think, is part one, is the one that just came out. And there's a part two coming out next month. And my understanding is that the first one was the very non-metal version. And the second half is considered

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It's gonna be heavier. I have the promo for the second half. I haven't listened to it yet. So I can't confirm that. Yeah, you have no idea how much I love that band. Prior to this record, I every time I'm drunk, I listen to them. Yeah, does that does that mean you don't like them or Winterson? That's that's the two bands or well open, but but Winterson and them are sort of my like that. If I'm drunk, I listen to either Xantocroid or Winterson.

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And they're like the previous album and then all the stuff, all the covers they've done on YouTube, etc. are also perfect. And then they come with this Broadway musical thing. They were like a cinematic black metal band on their last album. And this part one album is very much like he said, it comes across like a Broadway thing. There's not a lot of metal. There's a little bit.

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But it's mostly clean singing male and female vocals. Very Broadway. Like a Broadway story kind of thing. Also, I have to mention the first EP, the Inkultus, it's so good. If you haven't heard, it's amazing. I thought these guys could do nothing wrong before this. And I was totally blown away by how bad this could be. How far they fall. What's the term for?

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is so like even the guy's hair is going growing like perfectly and like yeah he only has a massive man crush on both of them so more on the drummer but yeah yeah so hopefully part two is little uh vindicates them some but yeah i hope uh next i've been also listening to the new enslaved album e also not out yet but wow

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If you're an enslaved fan, I don't think you're going to be disappointed by this album. It is pretty killer. Did it come out already? No, it's out. I think that's also next month. Yeah, you got the promo again. Yeah. Yeah. But it's working like that. Because I'm actually a semi-big enslaved fan, but my problem with their records is always that they have like, it's sort of like there's two really, really good songs

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and then they don't really know what they are doing and it becomes and I don't know if and I sort of get bored with their records. Have they like any in any way? It's um I it's no I think I think you'll like it it's not um because I I do believe honestly that they are slightly guilty of what you're saying there's a few things they do that I think are amazing from start to finish but it's um it's a very it's an extremely varied record they go to some of their go-to

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stuff without question. There's some new sounds on it, for sure. I don't want to over-explain that or give it away. But, you know, it's going to... Enslaved fans are going to have to decide for themselves. It's definitely... It has a little string going back to probably everything they've ever done. But there's definitely... They're moving into some slightly new territory here. Yeah, it's a little cleaner. But it's not any less heavy. I don't mean to... Yeah, because I really liked Rittir.

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And the previous album was... In Times. Yeah, that only had like one song I really liked. Was it Building With Fire? God, that was a good song. It's not very proggy, but it's the clean vocals one. Yeah, I think it was that one. I don't know that they've ever topped. I still think Isa, Rune, and Beneath the Lights are my three favorites. Yeah, mine is probably Rune,

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But again, it's sometimes hard to pick with that band because they're consistently good.

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Yeah, and bad at the same time. It's sort of a balancing act that you sometimes get bored with them. But yeah, let's hope again. What was the album that had The Watcher in it?

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I think that's...

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Vertebrae.

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Oh, I like Vertebrae.

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Yeah, I like that one. I had the good fortune to actually purchase that on release day in Bergen. It was just a coincidence that I was in Norway. Yeah, it just was such a point of pride with me. That was the one that shows they wear their love for Dark Side of the Moon on their sleeves with that record. Yeah, exactly. Maybe why I like it. Did you listen to the solo project that one of them just had that was kind of an atmospheric thing? No, not at all. I haven't heard it either. She's alright.

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Is that okay? Yeah, I mean, it's just like an atmospheric thing, right? Yeah. I'll say this. I think you'll be pleased with New Enslaved, but it may be the usual good and bad for you. We'll see. Yeah. And I'm still digesting it for what it's worth. All right. I still have a few more albums. Next one is a band called Inhuman Form. The album is called Opening of the Eye by the Death of the Eye.

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The first I being E-Y-E, the second I being the letter I. This is a second album from a Massachusetts black metal band. And I heard about these guys last weekend. Chris was wearing their shirt and their guitar player, band's guitar player, Dave Kaminsky, was helping out on guitar for Inferro Brewer.

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I checked them out. Dave Kaminsky, he also has another band called Stone Healer and a previous band called Autolitary. And so I listened to all three of these bands. They're all on Bandcamp. They're all worth checking out. It's black metal stuff. And Dave was a nice guy. So check them out. Then I've got another band, not exactly metal, but dark.

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The Band's called Then Comes Silence. I forget where they're from. I want to say Sweden. And they're sort of a... It's got sort of a Sisters of Mercy kind of vibe. It's sort of dark and gothic, and the vocals reminded me of sort of Sisters of Mercy, which I'm a big Sisters of Mercy fan. And so I picked up all three of their albums, simply titled One, Two,

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And then the third album called Nyctophilion. And they've got a new album coming out next month called Blood. So I'm probably going to pick that up too. Second to last band is called Vastum. And this album's from a couple years ago. It's called Hole Below. They were at the Shadow Woods Festival. I'd heard them before and it was just like, meh, you know, run-of-the-mill death metal. But as you'll hear in our footage a little bit later,

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They sounded really good live. They were really tight and just ripping faces off. So I went back and listened to that again. And the final one is not a metal album, but it's funny. I heard about this in, I want to say it was a Decibel article that John sent me about. It's kind of a snarky. I'm not even going to give it any more attention, but it's kind of a snarky article.

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And it sort of derisively spoke about this artist called Zola Jesus. And she's an artist along the lines of Mirkoor and Chelsea Wolfe. And so I checked out her latest album, Okovi. It's O-K-O-V-I. And I dig it. It's exciting. If you like Mirkoor or Chelsea Wolfe, then check it out.

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I like that you are now officially putting

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Mercure in the Chelsea Wolf category

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from now on

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I'm just saying it's that style of like

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not quite metal

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but it's like electronic

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and or folky

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kind of dark music

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so

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it's Chelsea Wolf like

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industrial

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sort of

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I have no idea

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yeah I mean there's elements of that

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I love Jay's reaction. Well, I like the way he pulled that together. So let me get this right. Nine Inch Nails. Yeah, exactly. And I don't think that that's what we're talking about. It's not quite there. But I mean, I love that's what you put because you just made the coolest band in the world in your head. All right. So before we go, John and I recorded a little bit of footage at the Shadow Woods Fest last weekend.

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And there's about a half an hour worth. So after we go here, I'm going to cue that up. Apologies in advance. I was trying out a new... I left the Cougar Bush at home and plugged in a Zoom microphone to my iPhone, thinking I could be sneakier about getting this into places to record than bringing in an actual handheld recorder. And there's some digital noise in there.

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That kind of pissed me off. But it's intermittent and it's not too much. So endure and, you know, sorry about that. So we'll get to that in a minute. But before we go, I want to thank Andreas and Yanni from Perihelion Ship for sticking around and coming back on again. When you're on the show twice, you automatically become honorary members of the podcast. So welcome aboard, gentlemen.

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You'll get your badges in the mail. Maybe I can write the next team song for you. There you go. We'll be glad to have one. I really need to hire a stylist after this. We haven't seen you because you haven't been on video all day, but I'm assuming that's true. Get it together, man. So thanks again for coming on. Perihelion Ship. Look for them on Bandcamp and pick up those albums and go to the Indiegogo. Like I said, it should still be going when this posts.

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So go support them. Yeah, push them over the edge. I myself will do so. Yes. Thank you guys for coming on, man. You guys are a lot of fun. Yeah. And before I go, or before we go, I just want to say make sure to check us out on SoundCloud. We're on Facebook. We're on Twitter, Instagram, Stitcher, and you can always find us at wearemetalheads.com. If you want to know what we're listening to, look us up on Bandcamp. All right.

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I really need to hire that stylist because I've been telling the whole episode that I have a stylist but I think you need a publicist too for what to tell you what to say we need to get him out there yeah by the way about 9-inch nails did you like the new Twin Peaks because they were featured in one of the episodes oh right I haven't watched it yeah I watched it yet either oh okay well if you like the first Twin Peaks the new one is also quite

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I never saw the first one but I've been thinking about going back and you know watching that second watch the new one I assume they were featured merely in the audible sense you mean they were not on the show no no not as an actors they were in this new season they I think almost every episode they featured some kind of very unknown artist but somehow they got nine inch nails on one of one of the bigger episodes they were on the

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on the last five minutes. They played the whole song there. And they're perfect for that show, by the way. I mean, based on the old show. Wow. It's amazing. Awesome. Okay, cool. All right, that's it. We'll see you next time. Hello, this is George, and I am here with Neutrino. John. Hardroth. And obviously John and I are from the Metalheads podcast.

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The other two guys are from the band Inferro Bruo. We are at the Shadow Woods Metal Fest in Whitehall, Maryland. And we just, John and I got here just as I think Percussor was playing. I'm guessing that's who that was. We skipped out on Thursday and Friday because we're really only here to see Inferro Bruo. And maybe Panopticon, but maybe Panopticon, Obsidian Tongue. And we just saw Seasick Gladiator, an instrumental band with a violinist.

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player and they were they were good they're really good but you guys were here yesterday did you guys catch some bands we rolled in in the afternoon and we were able to catch some bands on all the different stages check out all the different venues so it was really cool we got a feel for the whole event and yeah heavy temple was playing i think as like

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Shortly after we arrived so we're able to catch that down here on this stage in the woods. Yeah we are in the woods at the what is aptly named the woods stage there's also a field stage and a hall stage and uh. I have to say I'm a little disappointed with the hall though the hall's cool and I think you guys are playing the hall right? We are. But there's no like giant like fucking antlers on.

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the wall. I kind of expected something like that. There's no actual stage so it's like playing like a VFW hardcore show. So like. Well wait if that's the case there should be free beers in the back refrigerator shouldn't there? At least. But you know nobody can see you. There is a kitchen back there. There is a kitchen. Dirty kitchen. But you know only the people that are standing right in front can actually see the man. That type of deal you know because there's no there's no riser. Yeah. Well it's a bit of a hike from the field stage down here to the the wood stage. And I say

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But if I guess not really, but it's downhill the whole way, so I'm not looking forward to going back up that hill too many times. After having been at Valken, this is quaint. This is adorable. It's a cute little show. Minus the flying ants that I've noticed in my hair and my hands all of a sudden. Really? Yeah, a couple of them. I haven't been too bug-stricken yet. I must have a sweet sweat about myself. Yeah, bugs love me. That's why I'm wearing the long pants. I don't need that.

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I got it I got it I'll hook you over I got you and like sunblock and

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everything I brought it all put it in my bag and we left it at the hotel I learned a lot at fucking

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for sure nice and there's only like apparently one place to get beer is that back beer stand where they have luckily they have some loose heavy seas loose cannon hop three IPA to go along with the was at Miller Lite and

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And Astley. Yeah, and some other nasty band. I mean, they have Yingling, which Will's a fan of, and some kind of stout that I didn't catch the name of. Will's from Pennsylvania, so he's going to support Pennsylvania beer. He calls it Pennsylvania spring water. Yes. I thought there'd be more. I call it Pennsylvania toilet water, but you know. It's heavy, though. I felt full after one of those, so good luck. Maybe after a couple of these, we have to switch to the

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the yingling or something. Maybe after a couple of these, George will be like those people yelling you heard earlier. Just screaming in the woods, just running around. Woohoo! Yeah, I have to drive later, so I have to drink really hard now so that I can stop by, I don't know, six or seven or whatever, so I can be sober up to drive back to the hotel. Are you going to be here for the whole thing? Last band ends at 11.40. Not sure about that Zed or Zood or however you call them. I really want to see Obsidian Tongue and hopefully maybe run into Brendan.

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And I want to see All Hell and Woe, Panopticon. And Vastum, perhaps. Depends on how we're feeling. The Panopticon band might be kind of cool. Yeah, especially on this stage. Did you guys see them at Beer Fest? We did see them. Yeah, we saw them at the Decibel. They sounded amazing. But still, I think this is more their element.

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Yeah, and the sound out here, this is the best sounding stage. And the stars were out last night. It's pretty epic. Nice. You were telling me that this is probably the last Shadow Woods. There's a whole written up thing here from Mary. Mary Spiro is the one who put this on. She doesn't really get into why, but, you know, I can only imagine.

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and I'm sure it's maybe just too much of a hassle for them. I mean it's cool. I like it but I'm thinking it's a lot of work. I can tell you that the parking is definitely a hassle coming in here. We're like driving it. We're like okay you know you had to stop and check in and and fill out some strange ass form with like next of next of kin and insurance information and and I asked what asked where to park and they're like just down there.

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wherever you can fit in and we decided to take my car because my car is a car whereas John's car is an SUV that was a wise decision but we drove all the way down couldn't find anything had to make a like 50 point turn to turn around and come back the other way and I found a spot it wasn't even a spot it's just like an area where there aren't a lot of trees yeah I could pull in behind another car and I managed to back up hard into a tree I hit the shit out of that tree

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The tree or a really big branch snapped. There's no damage. I mean, it stopped me. It literally stopped me in my tracks. I'm like, yeah. But luckily it didn't seem to do any damage other than. You signed away your rights to sue. Right at the entrance. Exactly. You were only going five miles an hour, so the tree wasn't moving. Yeah. So that was fun. How about you guys? Where are you guys parked now? We're sort of near the hall stage. And we had to clear a bunch of logs and shit out of the way.

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to be able to fit in there. What did you travel in? I mean, you must have had either a... Passenger. Passenger van. Yeah. Did you have a trailer, too? Got everything in there? We're not that crazy. Yeah. Yeah, we were able to cram all our gear and five dudes, all the gear and luggage, camping supplies, all fit pretty comfortably. Yeah. We didn't have to bring cabs or anything either because it's all provided. Yeah. All right. Well,

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It's like Bear Storm is probably playing up at the Hall stage right now. I listened to some of them I think on Bandcamp. Most of these bands were on Bandcamp. Appropriately named for the woods. Yeah, Bear Shitstorm. But yeah, mostly I just want to go find some more beer. I guess, I don't know, you know, if you guys have any bands you want to see. In Fear of Brew is the next band I particularly care about. I'd like to see Withered quite a bit, but they're on

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right after us, so I don't know if I'll be able to catch them. Yeah, well, if you're quick or if you just, like, you know, go, hey, guys, grab my stuff for me. I'm not going to load anything out. He'll grab my stuff for me. I'll just carry all the stuff in myself. No problem. Yeah, I'm sure they were cool. They were one of the few bands here that I knew before. I would have liked to have seen Nachach one on Thursday. Yeah, that would have been cool. Those guys are still hanging around.

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The Nachošvin guys. I've spotted them. I just haven't talked to them yet. But I think they're in it for the long haul. And Fohammer. They're from Hagerstown, I think. Will's a fan of them. I think they might have even played at Atlas. P-H-O? Foh. Yeah, Foh, like the soup. F-A-U-S. Fohammer.

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They were pretty dark.

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You like them, right? Yeah, human bodies are guys also from Boston. They were playing outside. Yeah. Well, it was that night. It was at like nine. So it cooled down at that point. All right. Well, anything else for the moment? Let's get some beer.

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Hello, we are back. It is now evening after the final day of the final Shadow Woods Festival. We only came for the last day because we wanted to see our friends in Inverroboro. There were some other good bands as well. So here's our take on the day. Last we spoke, we were with

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Neutrino and Ardoth of Inferroboro. We had just watched Seasick Gladiator, which I believe we already commented on. So no need to say more, but if you want to check them out, they're on Bandcamp. So give them a listen. And what did we do after that? Well, we kind of walked around the camp area, checked it out.

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I think we went up to the house stage or whatever they call it. I can't remember the name of the stage. It was in the hall stage. Checked out the merch. I think we talked with Galen a little bit. That's right. And then we kind of just wandered around. We listened to a band on the side. I think we got some food. We did all. We just kind of bummed around for the first few hours until Obsidian Tongue came on. No, actually until in fair.

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That is correct. Okay, yeah. I guess you're right. So yeah, so we bummed around until Inferra came on. Okay. I can't remember now. Yeah, they... Chris was making a joke because they were playing at 420, which of course is the notorious pot smoking time, and the band that was playing before them was called Toke. And he's like, yeah, they should have been in that slot.

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And he's like, yeah, actually, that's a good point. But, yeah, so they played inside the hall. And we went in and busted his balls a little bit while they were soundchecking. And they came on and, damn, did they sound good. I was, I'm still completely impressed with how they sounded. And I took some video of one of their songs. So hopefully I'll be able to post it. It was really long.

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10 minutes of a 13-minute song.

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And the audio came out surprisingly good.

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So if I can post that, I will.

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They, you know, most black metal bands that I see, the sound's kind of muddy.

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And like Mayhem, when we saw them at MDF, it was kind of a, as Sergey calls it,

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It was a buzzsaw of just noise. And I tend to agree. But their sound was really good. There was good separation of all the instruments. You could hear the vocals clearly over top of everything. I thought it sounded really good. I felt the same way for the most part, minus the drums. I thought because they didn't have enough equipment to mic that we lost a few things like the ride a little bit.

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But the snare and bass pedal were coming through all right. And on the audio, when you listen to what you recorded, I think that you can get more sense of that. I did more, at least, when you played it. But yeah, their set was good. Four songs. I believe you were saying four, and they played the four songs. Yeah, four songs in 40 minutes. Yeah. The only issue was, two issues, actually, not them. But one was there was no riser.

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So we had to stand right in front. I always feel awkward standing in front of bands I know. Yeah. Because they were ground level with us. I was trying not to make eye contact. I always did that. I mean, I did that with chemists too when we were there. But they were at least up on the stage. And so, yeah, we were standing pretty much directly in front of them so that we could see. And... Well, interestingly enough, we stood back about five feet from the stage. And there were a couple people who got in front of us. But the one guy, he basically...

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and kind of kneeled down the whole set. So I almost felt like saying, hey, you can stand up, man. It's cool. You're not going to be blocking my view that much. I thought that was all right from him. The only other issue I had was it was a freaking sweat lodge in there. It was hot. Yeah, I was wearing the battle vest because essentially it was my purse. I needed more pockets so I could have the microphone and wristbands and cards.

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and various, you know, things. And so, God, I was sweating my balls off. But it was a great set. And then after that, we went down to the... Okay, let me tell you, there was three stages here. I don't think we mentioned this part. There's three stages. There's the hall stage, which was basically indoors. It was like a lodge kind of room.

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So that was the hall stage. There was the

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field stage

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which was basically a stage

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outside in

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front of an open field.

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It was a really decent sized field too.

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Yeah it was a really good sized field.

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And that's where

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the beer vendor

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the single beer vendor

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and the

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normal people food

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truck was. There was a

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vegan food truck back in the trees by the hall stage. And then there was the woods stage, which woods. Woods of Vipre. Hell yeah. Saw somebody with a Woods of Vipre patch. And that was the one that was down. You had to like go down a path. It was a bit of a decline going down into the woods. And it had like a wooden stage and there were like seats, like benches.

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that you could actually sit on. I think it was like a boys and girls club that does stuff there. And so they probably had that for plays and things for the families to see. I can't remember if we mentioned this earlier or not. I don't know if it's a state park or a rec park or whatever it is, but we're in the middle of the woods here. And so parking and situation for getting in was a little difficult.

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People are camping. There's campsites all over. Literally, there's tents, what, maybe 50, not even 50 feet, 30 feet from the stage. I mean, three or four tents. But then when you walk into the woods, go down towards the wood stage, you'd see tents and cars all over the place. And how they got down there, I have no idea. I mean, the road's so small. So it was a really unusual setup. But it was cool, though. I mean, after a while, when you got used to it and you got used to the bugs eating you.

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What's funny is that we did get stuck in an Austin Powers moment. We got caught between, I guess, a tree and a car trying to turn around because there are no turnarounds. And this guy says, oh, it looks like you're in an Austin Powers moment. And you were able to get out of that with no problems. It was when we were parking the cars when we had the problem, when you had more space. Yeah, I thought I had more space. But weren't those the guys that helped us get out of that? And then we talked to them a couple times.

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And we told the one guy about the podcast. So, hey, if you're listening, hello. And yeah. So then after Obsidian Tongue, we went back up. And I think I had wanted to see All Hell. But it turned out they had switched spots with another band. And so I'd already missed them, which was kind of a bummer.

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So then we hung out and waited to watch Whoa? Is that right? Or am I skipping somebody? No, it was Whoa. We kind of watched them for a little bit. So when we saw Obsidian Tongue, they were back down at the Woods stage. We had to go back for Panopticon, but we wanted to go up to see one of the two other bands at either Hall or at the Main Stage or the Field Stage.

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And we ended up getting some food and watching like two songs from Woe, I think, and that was it. We were like, we're going back down to the wood stage. That's right. I forgot to mention that when we watched Obsidian Tongue play, Brendan, the main guy for Obsidian Tongue, also plays in Thrasenblatt. So you know I was excited. And so I took a picture of Brendan up on the stage and I sent it to Joel.

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because I was like, hey, here's a picture of your buddy. And Joel was like, awesome, hey, so I said hi. So after he finished playing, I went up to the end. And this is something that I would not normally do. I think I had enough bearing in me to have the courage, but to just like cold walk up to somebody that I've never talked to before and be like, hey. And I was like, hey, man, Joel sends his regards. And he was like, oh, yeah. And so then we took a picture together and sent it to Joel.

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And then Joel sent a picture back. It was just cool. And we learned that Obsidian Tongue is going to have a new album out. Possibly early next year. Sometime-ish. So looking forward to that. So then yeah. So back to Woe. Like I said, we got some food. We watched a little bit of them. And then we were like, you know, let's get back early to the Woods stage.

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because Panopticon is probably going to be crowded. And ultimately, it was very crowded. It was probably the biggest crowd of any of the bands we saw. Most bands pulled maybe 50 people. It's kind of interesting going from Valken, the biggest metal festival in the world, to Shadowood's, one of the smallest. And it was kind of nice that it wasn't super crowded, but at the same time,

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I think that's probably got to do with why we're not gonna have any more Shadow Woods but so we got down there we got it we got decent seats again and we got to watch them extensively soundcheck you know they like the whole band was playing like through a song and some point Austin stopped and says you know we're not really playing yet right we're just soundchecking he didn't say that last part but

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And had me fooled, because I was like, oh man, they're starting early. But I knew they weren't actually officially playing, because the guy, the sound guy, had his tablet out, and he was trying to fix the sound. And you're like, I think this is real. I'm like, I don't think it is. And then literally they just stop right as we're talking about it. I guess it's not real. And the sound for Phenopticon was pretty damn good. Yeah, but, I don't know, Shadowlands needed

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to spring for some lights or something. The only lights on the woods stage were colored. When we initially got there, they had red lights on them. But then when they started to play, they were blue. They actually had white lights, too. They did? I didn't see them. They had one on just for like 10 seconds. Huh. And so you really couldn't see them. They were mostly just backlit by these blue lights because the lights were coming from behind. So you really couldn't see.

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the band. At least not their faces and stuff. But it sort of lent this like what we do here is secret sort of vibe to it. Like it was a secret show somewhere. And once it got dark, it was pitch black everywhere. They didn't bother to like string any lights down there or anything. It was black.

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You know, if I had been like, hey, you know, I'm, because they played for like an hour and 10-ish minutes. If I'd been like, I'm good, let's go. I was like, it's like tons of people and pitch black. I'm like, there's no way I can find my way out of here until everybody starts leaving. So, yeah. But they sounded amazing. Austin is definitely some kind of wonderful.

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He really is a talent, I guess you'd have to say. I don't know. I thought they sounded great too, and I thought the set was good, and it was a lot of energy. Band was tight for a band that's only played, what, a handful of shows, which we seem to have seen a third of them now with Decibel Fest earlier in the year.

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I genuinely seem to be moved by the fact that so many people, some people showed up. I would say over half of the people who attended the fest were there just to see him play. I mean, physically there when we were watching him because it was all the seats. They weren't all taken, but somebody was sitting on every bench and they were all wrapped all the way around. Yeah, there were a lot of people down on the floor. And then like two-thirds of the way through the set,

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people just got up and said, "Hey, you know what? We're gonna come down front and just hang out." And then eventually they even started a pit and got things going. Yeah, it was a great crowd. And just every time I kept looking, I kept, I always feel awkward looking back 'cause people are like, "Who are you looking at?" I'm like, "I wanna see a lot of people here." And it was a lot. It was just a lot of people, which was cool. So I would say they ended up being the real headline of the whole festival.

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Well, even though it's three different stages. Yeah, they were the headliner for that stage. I can't believe I completely forgot when we were, well, I seem to want to skip over Obsidian Tongue because I just kept moving on and not talking about it. So going back to Obsidian Tongue again, after talking to Brendan, John and Chris were talking and I came over to talk to them. And I noticed a guy on a Hammerheart Brewing shirt. And I was like,

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And did you point him out to me? He's like, hey, the guy to the left of him there looks like... I think I said, boy, I really wish we had some Hammerheart beer right now. I think that's how it started. And it turned out that Tanner from Hammerheart and Obsequia was there. And I was like, I kind of like looked over there and he looked over and saw me and we were like, hey! So I went over to talk to him some.

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And I told him I still wanted to get him on the podcast. We've just been sort of slow in getting our shit together this year. And I think I got him talked into coming on like maybe November. He said November was probably best for him. And it turned out he was playing keyboard for Panopticon. So that was cool too to see him up on stage. So hey Tanner.

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And I think he mentioned something about possibly having new music too? Yeah. Well, I don't think he was working on obsequia music, but he said he had some other project in the works that he was being a little coy about, so I don't think he could talk about it yet. But hopefully we can get him to speak about it more if we can get him on. So, yeah, that'll be cool. So, after

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Panopticon. Everybody basically had to turn on the lights on their phones to walk back up the path, which was kind of funny. And we made it back up to the field area. And we were getting kind of tired and kind of hungry and kind of ready to go. There were two more bands to play. Vastom was playing on the field stage as we were arriving because Panopticon ran over a little bit. But of course, Austin.

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And then there's another band after them on the inside stage, Zud or Zud. I'm not really familiar with them, although I think they just released a new album. But we were like, eh, you know, let's just go. I mean, let's check out Vastum a little bit because, you know, I'm familiar with them. And I was like, you know, let's just check out a couple of songs.

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and we wanted to see Neutrino off and the Infero guys before we went. So we tracked them down and they were out front of the Vastum and they were really digging it. And it was actually quite good. It kind of surprised me. I mean, their recordings are fairly raw, but they sounded really tight live. So we stuck around for a couple more songs of that.

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to go because everybody was going to be heading back over to the hall stage and we had to drive by the hall stage to get out of there so it seemed appropriate to leave at that time yeah the road going out was basically only wide enough for barely one car and at least the only places where there was lights set up were in that part of the campground right above the car so we actually could get in the car no problems and leave it's just we wanted to be get before they like you said they started

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walking across this one little one lane. It's not even a road. I'd say it's almost like a path almost. Like for golf carts or something. But another thing I don't think we mentioned is this festival was out in the middle of nowhere. You know, we had the GPS on my phone to get us there. And John was navigating. And it

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It was an interesting drive. It was very, very out in the country. We even saw some Mennonites. And looking at them caused us to miss a turn. And we had to turn around and go back the other way. I'd say we were, what, maybe 10 miles from the Pennsylvania border? Maybe 15, roughly? Pretty close. Pretty close, yeah. I mean, we passed Hunt Valley. And we were, I think we were only like 20 miles.

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from York, which is in Pennsylvania. So, yeah. And out there, you know. I guess, in retrospect, had we taken a different route, it might not have seemed so out in the country. The route we came back was much more occupied by people. A lot less corn. It was a lot of corn. So, yeah. It was a good time.

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together. You know, not as busy and crazy as some of the festivals we've been to, but it was still a fun time. I kind of enjoyed the fact that we had a lot of room to walk around and there weren't any lines to get in the bathroom or to get food. It would have been nice to have a few more people, but it was also really nice to kind of just spread out. I mean, people were sitting, the stage, what would you say, went back about 30 feet with people at the most?

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Yeah. And evenly spread out. And there were still people standing and sitting back like about 50 to 100 feet from the stage. Just taking it all in. Yeah. You know. Especially at night. You know. There were people just laying on the grass looking up at the stars. And just listening. I almost did a couple times. Yeah. So. Yeah. But it was nice to. Outside of the Panopticon set. Which was really packed in. It was pretty easy go. The whole time. Yeah. So.

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Personally, I mean, there weren't that many bands to choose from, but two favorites would obviously be Inferroboro and Panopticon for me. Yeah, same for me. Although I did like the Seasick Gladiator. I thought they were kind of cool. Yeah. Look, I'm going to check them out on Bandcamp, see what they're like. But overall, I mean, everyone was fine. Obsidian Tongue was cool, too. Yeah, definitely. I wasn't aware that they were a two-piece. It was just Brendan on guitar and vocals.

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The drummer whose name I don't recall who also played for Panopticon and also plays for Falls of Roros. I thought I recognized him from Decibel. So yeah, yeah, they were cool too for being a two-piece. It was pretty loud. So yeah, so I guess that's just about it. You got anything else? No, it was a good time. Too bad it's over, but it happens, unfortunately.

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A lot of festivals for people right now. Festival season, I think, is over now after this one. Yeah. All right. And I think this episode is now over, too. So talk to you later. Later.

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I'm on the moon

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I've never done

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I'll run and drag me to fade away.