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Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, metal's my religion, and yeah, it's my dope. Standing in the thunder on stage in the pouring metal rain. What a feeling, baby, the lights are exploding.

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Hello and welcome to the Metalheads Podcast. My name is George.

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This is Jay. This is Will. And this is John. And we are joined today by Steve Jansen of Crypt Sermon. How are you doing today, Steve? Not bad. How about yourself? Pretty good. So Steve, tell us a little bit about Crypt Sermon before we get started. Well, Crypt Sermon is a doom metal band, I guess, of the traditional or epic variety, whatever you call it. Started the band, I think 2013 was when the earliest incarnations of the band started. It was initially just supposed to be a little project, not really so much of

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We wanted to start a Doom band that was more focused on songwriting and was just a little more nuanced. Because there was a while there where bands were coming through town and it was just all these, you know, it's all the same. These huge jams, wall-sized pedal boards, two riffs in every song. It just got old. It was like, hey, why don't we just try to do some more classic, you know, Doom. Let's focus more on songwriting than playing as loud as you fucking can all the time. So, and it just, we recorded a demo.

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That seemed to be pretty well received. Dark Descent picked it up right away and then we recorded the album. I don't know if people seem to like it. A lot more people seem to care about it more than I initially thought they would. So yeah, there you have it. Not much to it. Now, prior to Crypt Sermon, you and Brooks are also in a death metal band called Trench Rot, which I know Buke is a big fan of. Oh, am I ever? Am I ever? So tell us how, I mean, obviously you just explained why you went doom metal, but how did the death metal band, or you know,

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some guys from a death metal band anyway decide to do that.

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I mean, we're just music fans. We're obviously big metal fans, big metal heads. We're not really so much focused on just doing one thing or sounding one way. A lot of the projects are just things we've wanted to do for a long time since we were kids. Like, you know, we grew up listening to old school death metal and now there's like a ton of bands doing it again. But we just wanted to do an old school death metal project, do an album. We're pretty much, it's more or less, Trench Rot's more or less a done deal.

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our drummer's moving away. I was just going to ask you if you guys were still doing that. No, it was just something we did for fun and we enjoyed it. But now we're just all kind of moving on to other things. You know, Steve, usually when you're a guest on somebody else's podcast, you save the bad news for the end. Wipe away your tears. He was so excited when he discovered that. Yeah, I was so, because I had known that, but I, you know, of course had forgotten that little tidbit. And then doing some research on you today, I was reminded of that and fucking blown away. It's bad enough when

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you find a band that you like but they have a couple year history and you try and go back and buy like some vinyl or something for you guys and it's already sold out that was my first heartbreaker and now this so sorry man hey it is what it is go ahead going back to out of the garden um it's rare that all of us on the podcast agree on anything we all sort of have our own little niche and sort of constantly arguing about things but i think all of us are fans of out of the garden and uh so that's i mean that's

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I mean, obviously not to the outside world, but for us, that's pretty impressive that we're all on the same page with that. So you released Out of the Garden in 2015, and you just released the new single, Day Mysteries Doom Satanus, on the Decibel FlexiDisc. Is that the only place that's available? Yes. Okay, because I actually dumped my digital subscription to Decibel so that I could get the print version to get that FlexiDisc. You can get it on SoundCloud. Decibel releases all the FlexiDisc songs on SoundCloud.

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Now you tell me

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Well you know what

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Albert told me the other day

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because I was complaining to Albert

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when I saw him for that collaboration beer

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and I was like

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can you just put a download code or something

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because I don't have a record player

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and he's like

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we're on SoundCloud idiot

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I'm like oh thanks

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So tell us how this song came about

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Well Albert approached us about doing this Flexi

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I mean we really wanted to do it

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but we're also pretty busy guys

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we're always doing other things

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running around

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like Brooks just had a kid

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he has a family now

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So we knew we wanted to record some sort of cover. And we were initially talking about doing something that was more within our comfort zone. But we decided to sort of push ourselves and challenge ourselves, try to expand our sound a little bit, and just try something completely new. So the Mayhem cover came about actually when Enrique was talking to T.T. of Abagor. And he asked, he's like, man, we're thinking about doing a cover.

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cover of that song. And I mean, I didn't know how serious he was. I was like, I kind of chuckled at it. But then I sat down one day, I was like, huh. And I started coming up some variations of riffs from the songs. And I thought, you know, this could be kind of cool. I mean, it could be a total disaster. But so I came up with some rough ideas and then we all pieced it together. And working with T.T. was amazing. That guy's just a total genius. Did handled all like the Latin parts in the song. Nice. And did a lot of the vocal layers and just general mastering. He did. He was just amazing.

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to work with and it turned out way better than we could have ever imagined um but yeah i mean if it was one of those things where like if this if this ends up being a catastrophe you know we're going to abort and we're going to do something else but it turned out really cool i'm we're all really proud of it though you don't hear about abagor enough so that's kind of cool yeah um he i mean abagor is incredible he is a top-notch just unbelievable musician uh he would bounce ideas back to us in like with a matter of minutes just we'd send him something

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He'd say, why don't you try it like this? And then he'd send us back these vocal files with 10 layers. I'm just like, Jesus Christ. It's like, this guy's from another planet. It was really cool. Where are you guys? Steve, I don't really know where you're located. Philadelphia. Philadelphia, okay. Maybe I didn't know that. The greatest city on Earth, by the way. As Will here is a brewer, is it safe, and we all enjoy beer here on the podcast, is it safe to say the band is fueled by Yingling?

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So much these days.

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By the way, it's called Pennsylvania Springwater, beauty.

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I mean, I definitely, I grew up drinking a lot of yingling, meaning I stole yinglings from my friend's parents as a teenager and drank that.

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And it's cheap.

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But I honestly, like, I think it's just to the point now where I just need a long, long break.

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Like the rest of your life type deal.

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Okay, I'm good.

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Yeah, kind of.

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I haven't had it in a really long time.

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Yeah, I didn't realize, you know, I'm from Georgia and I are both from Maryland and I went to school. I played football up in PA. I didn't realize how much of a thing Yingling was until I was in my college drinking years in Pennsylvania. Yeah, it was weird. I remember for the longest time it was like, and I was, and it was, I was still like underage at this point, but I was drinkier. Yeah. I'd leave him like, Oh dude, you guys have Yingling up there. Like what the fucking deer? Yeah, sure. It's everywhere. Like, Oh my God.

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I'm like, oh, yeah, I guess that's a thing. And then I remember my brother-in-law and my sister lived down in Chicago. We'd always ask for a couple cases of it for Christmas. And I was just like, oh, I guess this is like a thing. But yeah, it's been a while since I've had any yingling. What are you drinking right now? I'm drinking, actually, I'm drinking Old Rasputin at the moment. Nice. A lot of fans of that one up here. So I'll be switching to Miller Lite here in a little bit. No, no shame in that. Gotta hydrate.

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Yeah, it might be disappointing to hear that I think a lot of the Crip Sermon stuff was fueled by just a ton of pounding that shit. I am a Coors Light guy through and through. I will defend Coors Light. None of us will, but he will. There's a time and place for everything. I'm not a beer snob at all. I like good beer. I like shitty beer. It's beer's beer to me. Since we're talking about beer, all of us here in the pod, we're going to be covering it next month. A couple weeks back, we interviewed the guys from Chemist.

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Almost all of us. Yeah, you're going to be joining them at the Decibel Metal and Beer Fest. April 22nd through the 23rd. Share your thoughts on that. It's going to be awesome. We actually played with Chemists in January in New York City at Vitus. Steve, may I say, I had two friends there at that show, and they raved about you guys for the next week or so. Non-stop. They said how fun you and Chemists were live. And they said,

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In fact, one of them said if they could put a show together right now in metal, they would want U2 and maybe like a tribulation on the bill. And they said it's the most enjoyable show you could put together. We had chemists on the program or on the pod a little while back. And actually, they spoke about you guys. They talked about that show. And they said nice things about you. Cool. No, that's awesome. They were great. Great dudes. It was a really fucking crowded show. Vitus is in a very big venue.

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So I mean, I couldn't really get into the room too well. Obviously, like I'm still like poking around and getting all my crap off stage. And then by the time they're like ready to play, I'm like just finishing packing up. So like the room is already packed. So I had to like kind of stand on my tiptoes and see what was going on. But they were great. Obviously, you can tell you guys are having a great time because Brooks is wearing the classic vest with no shirt on underneath. Yes. Him and Matt wear that. Do that look very well. Yeah, I'm heavyset or else here on the pod.

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I'd be doing that look. Yeah, Matt tries to get me to do it. I'm just like, yeah, man, I don't know. Going forward, before I'm sure George has more questions, going forward, Steve, are there any bands at the Metal and Beer Fest or breweries that you're looking forward to either hearing or seeing live or tasting their beer? I'm definitely looking forward to seeing Chemists again. I think watching Immolation, especially playing some of their older stuff, will be really cool. As far as the beer, I'm

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I'm really excited for. I'm really anxious to try. Actually, Austin from Panopticon has a brewery called Hammerheart Brewery. Oh, yes. My buddy, Tanner Anderson from Obsequia, however you say it, also works there. So that'll be. But I'm excited to try that. And also, of course, the Unibrew stuff I love. So I'm looking forward to it. Will here on the staff. One of our co-hosts, Will, here. He will actually be there as well. He will double duty for the podcast and as a brewer because Atlas Brew Works will be there.

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there also. Okay, cool. Yeah, I mean, I imagine we'll all be pretty mad old. Yeah, we will be too. On a really quick note, I just want to get it out. Our chemists did start a tour last night. It's a little short West Coast to Midwest tour. So if you heard chemists on the pod and you want to check them out, don't you catch them on tour? I think they're on tour with Oathbreaker now. Yep. Steve, I just want to second your love for Hammerheart because I really want to try them because they do a lot of traditional like Nordic beers, a lot of smoked beer. So I love smoked beer.

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as a drinker and a brewer. So I'm pretty excited to try the Hammerheart stuff. I have a Hammerheart shirt, but I have not tried the beer. Yeah. I mean, the whole aesthetic of the brewery is awesome. I think it's just, I think it's really cool. I mean, I have yet to have any, and that's obviously soon going to change, but the whole aesthetic, like the beer hall and just the beers look incredible. I think it's going to be awesome. Cool. And also people are going to want to drink beer in Philly because the Flyers aren't going to make the playoffs. I'm just saying. I had to shut your dirty mouth. I had to sneak it in. Yeah. Hockey fan.

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Not at all. I don't watch sports. That's probably for the best at the moment. So, hey, Steve, I grew up in just north of Philly in Bucks County. Are you guys all from the city or where you guys live? We're all from, where are we all from? I'm from like central PA from Williamsport. Oh, I know Williamsport well. Yeah. Yeah. So I actually moved to Philly when I was 18 to start finding people to start a band with. It only took me a decade, but here I am.

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Carolina. I think James is actually from Bucks County area. Our other guitar player. Enrique is actually from Bolivia. So from kind of all over the place. Okay. What's the Philly Metal scene like? I mean, Cinderella, Brittany Fox, and Crypt Sermon? Pretty much. That's it, man. It's pretty healthy, I'd say. There's lots of punk metal, a lot of more death metal. It's a little more extreme oriented, I'd say. A little sluggier on the crustier side, but it's healthy. Yeah, horrendous.

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from the Philly area. What's that band you guys like? The Black Crown Initiative? I think they're from Reading. Well, I know somebody else that's from Philly that we've had on the podcast. Arthur Rizik, who produced your album. Yeah. We had him on late last year. And Jay's like, who's that? I don't know who they are. I'll be saying the same thing about you, Steve, in a couple of weeks. They're going to be like, you know what Steve said? They'll be like, who the fuck is Steve? How can I forget? No, that's funny.

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I should mention Arthur because Arthur just tapped me to do fill-in for Eternal Champion to keep it true in a couple weeks. Wow. Actually, between figuring out that set, I was actually working on that earlier today. Is that Belgium? Is that a small town in Belgium or where is it? Germany. Good for you, dude. That looks like a neat little fest to me. Yeah, it's awesome. I'm excited. Obviously, it was a completely last minute. He hit me up. He was like, hey, this is Horton. Did you know to fill-in for an Eternal Champion gig? I was like, sure.

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I mean, where at? He's like, oh, it's a keep it true. I was like, yeah, absolutely. You know, let's see if I've got a passport handy. Yeah, yeah. That's who's like, you have a passport. I was like, I just got one like two weeks ago. So I got it in the mail. So it worked out. I'm excited. Do you know who's on the bill? Is anybody you're excited to see? I'm, yeah. I'm really actually excited to see Demolition Hammer again. Seerth Uncle's on the bill, like Manila Road. Yes. I saw Atrophies play on that show as well. It just reminded me that you guys were at,

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Maryland Death Fest was that two years ago it was

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2015 so last year it was last year yeah yeah

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they didn't play they played inside last

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year we didn't get to see that yeah we

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were there but we didn't go to Rams Head

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yeah on the Thursday doom metal night

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yep yep yeah we were like the second band

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who played that was painful for us we

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really wanted to go to that and it was a

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good time you missed out definitely

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kidding well we'll see you we'll see you

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next month so oh awesome yeah we'll we'll

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all be you kind of alluded to it but

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We'll all be there at the Metal Beer Fest. Yo, Jay, what's going on? You're fucking up, man. He's in California. I'm on the West Coast. Though I am going to be out on the East Coast next week, and I will be seeing the boys and chemists in a couple of days, as a matter of fact. That's awesome. Some of us has to cover the stories on the West Coast. Our West Coast correspondent. Speaking of Arthur, he produced the album. I was curious, are you possibly

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You guys working on a new album? And if so, are you going to work with Arthur? Yeah, Arthur's definitely talking to Arthur about having him on board to do some stuff. And we are currently in the middle of writing the next album. That's our main focus at the moment. Just once, I want somebody to say something like this. And I'm not picking on Arthur, but oh, fuck no, we'll never work with that guy again. But he sounds like Arthur is a nice guy. He's awesome. He's great. He's a good friend of mine. Arthur's also

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He's a very busy guy. Now you didn't say a whole lot about the album thing, so I'm thinking maybe that's under wraps and maybe I'm speculating here. Are you in a position of not being able to talk about that very much right now? Right now we're just writing heavily for it. Nothing's really set in stone as far as when we're going to record it, with what and with where and who. It's all kind of being worked out, so I just really can't say much just because we don't know.

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That's cool. That's cool. Hey, let me ask you a question, Steve. This is John. So if you can't say much about the album, can you say anything possibly about future artwork? Because your album cover for the album, I think, is spectacular. I'm a big fan of the old 50s and 60s sci-fi covers of books, where just a single little image would tell a whole story. And I kind of think that same thing about your album cover. There's so much detail in there. You listen to the songs, you can almost see the songs and the detail on the album. You guys have plans for another kind of historical-looking album cover?

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Our singer actually does the artwork. He does all the artwork for us. He's obviously an amazing artist, amazing painter. But he is currently, he has this idea for the front cover. I'm still a little unclear what he's doing, but he is currently painting what will be, he wants to be the inside of a gatefold, which is fucking insane. Yes, that's exactly the word I want to hear, gatefold. You know, okay, I got to ask you a question about the cover since we're talking about it. So, okay, you got the, there's a knight riding out of a cave or a three-year-old.

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a tunnel or something. And then there's these two figures on the side of the cave. And one of them looks suspiciously like Pazuzu from The Exorcist. You got that too, Jay. Yeah. And I assume that's intentional? Yeah, I would imagine very much so. I can't speak for Brooks and what he did with the concept. He made the painting, but everything he does is very deliberate. So, okay, yeah, fair enough. I mean, it just zeroes right in on that, dude. It just like so jumps out at me. But it is a killer cover. And John, you're right, it tells a great story. I mean, one you can make up

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in your head. Well, you know, so many bands seem to kind of, we talk about this, we talk about Bandcamp, you see these great covers, shitty albums, and then you'll see shitty covers and shitty albums. But then you'll see a shitty cover with a great album, and you're like, you don't understand why they didn't put a little more into kind of presenting it to kind of catch you. The worst is awesome cover, shitty albums. That always bums me out. Yeah, it's the worst, dude, yeah. I hate it so much. Like, when you, like, get it, and the logo's awesome, the artwork is just killer, and you're like, here we go. And you just, you put it on,

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And you try so hard to love it just because everything else is there. And you're just like, fuck, man. Hey, Steve, I'll tell you when that happens to me. I'm a huge Travis Smith fan. I think all his stuff is awesome. And most of the bands like Opeth and Catatonia, those covers are great and the music's great. But I've seen a couple and I'm like, oh, fuck, it's metalcore. God damn it. Awesome cover. Now it's not so bad. Remember when we were kids and you bought a CD or a tape or an album based on the

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and you couldn't preview it and then you suddenly listen to it and you're like, oh man, this is terrible. I just wasted my money.

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More often than not for me as a kid when I would do that, I'd be like, man, this looks cool. I don't know. I'm going to buy it because it looks great. And then when you take it home and throw it on, it's the best shit ever. I miss that.

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No, in the 80s, that was, you had a better chance. You were going to get a better album. I think what happened in the 80s too, though, was when you were like, a lot of us grew up in the 80s as teenagers.

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You would pick out an album that was maybe from a really old band and the cover would trick you. And one that I brought up here previously and we'll bring it up again. And I noticed it's in your Discogs, George, and it's a band Demon and the album is called The Plague. It's got the greatest fucking cover ever. And it is not what it sounds like. It's New Wave of British Heavy Metal. I don't even think it's New Wave, dude. It's more like Status Quo or something. And actually the album is Night of the Demon. I'm going to send it to you guys. So going back to Brooks for a second.

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He never was saying rock singing. I mean, I'd heard him sing

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more bluegrass or country stuff, just like bulky stuff on a guitar.

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Wow, okay. Well, that makes sense then. Yeah, overall. But he expressed interest in wanting to try it. And when we were writing the first demo, we were just like, who are we going to get to sing? Because Brooks, we initially, I just tapped him to play bass.

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Yeah. And really, I just looked at him one day. I was like, I was like, dude, why don't you just give it a shot? Like, don't you try it? Like, I think if you don't like it, like you don't have to do it. But I mean, give it a shot. We'll see what happens because right now we are options are zero. So and he was, you know, he was like, all right. He was he was definitely a little nervous about it. But then after the demo, we were all really pleased. And, you know, he is growth from the demo to the album is huge. Like he was he's only getting better because he's still kind of starting out. So. Yeah, I did notice that.

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because I picked up the demo recently and was listening to it. And you can kind of tell it's a demo. The production is not quite the same, but you can tell that the vocals got exponentially better. It was great. I think that's what sets you guys apart a little bit because he doesn't have to screech, but he still can give you that kind of powerful singing. In a lot of Doom bands today, I'm kind of eh on some of the singing. But with you guys, I kind of like that about him, that he has that range, but it doesn't have to go that high to still get some powerful stuff out there.

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What's the Troubles singer? Is it Eric Wagner? Yeah. Sounds a lot like... Actually, I think Crip Sermon sounds a lot like Trouble, and I say that as a compliment. I wonder how many times we're going to hear Psalm 9 in a list that's coming up today. We shall find out. I saw that. It's in... We'll talk about it. I was glad. It's nice to hear it brought up. Jay, I can think of one, two, three, four, or five, maybe five or six of us, and one who won't have it.

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It's funny you should mention that though. We played with the skull like twice and Eric Wagner just like he just drinks like liquor and smokes weed the entire time he plays and he still sounds amazing. Wow. He has he has a great time. He's seasoned in more ways than one. Yeah. It was cool. Like the skull is cool too. I like them. Yeah. The skull is good. That's awesome dude. I mean how's he looking? I don't see them. I mean he's got to be what he's our age. So he's old. An older fella. An older fella.

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So, hey, Steve, are you drinking another Old Rasputin or you got something else lined up? Yeah, Old Rasputin at the moment. I just made the worst pour ever. It's so foamy. It's because I'm holding a phone, but it is what it is. Yeah, I'm assuming you're not drinking because you never do and you're going to go swim in the pool or something. So, John, what are you drinking? I'm drinking, and I'll show you guys and I'll tell everyone. It's a canned version of Alesmith's Speedway Stout. I had one of those the other day. Nine bucks a can, but it was good. Well, yeah, or you can pay the $18 for the big bottle, right? Yeah.

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It's a tall boy, too, which is nice. I like to see stouts in a tall boy. What do you got, George? I've got the Duclaw Hophammer. I don't think I know that one yet. Yeah, I just picked it up yesterday. It's an IPA. Jay's trying to show off now. He's like chugging apple juice. It was apple juice. That's Martinelli's gold apple juice. You're going to mix it up and throw a little cherry in there soon? Duke, what do you got? Alpine Beer Company, Willy Vanilli. Alpine stuff, they're out here. They have a couple of good things.

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They have a lot of good things. Do they brew their own beer or do they take somebody else's beer and put their label on it? I think they did contract brew at one of the other beer. No, they were contracting with Green Flash. Yeah, that's right. Because they didn't have the facilities and Green Flash acquired them, but they kept the Alpine line on its own. Totally over their head, George. That was my Milli Vanilli joke. Yeah, I got it. That's why we ignored it. Yeah. They were like, let's just walk past that. Yeah, yeah. Keep moving. I got the Lagunitas Hopper.

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I got my new and improved Ponzi IPA coming up next from my own brewery, Atlas. Right on. Steve, going back to the new material, are you guys going to be exploring any new directions with this? Are you taking, you know, are you going to, is it going to be more of the same? Not the same, but, you know, same style? Yeah, it's, you know, it'll have elements that will be a little bit more of the same, but there's definitely, we're definitely moving forward a little bit and exploring a little bit more.

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I mean, I can't really say much. You just have to wait to hear it. Sure. But you know what, Steve? You guys are kind of out there, not on your own, but you're, I'm sure some of the guys read some of the similar interviews where you were talking about there aren't a lot of bands doing the traditional epic doom anymore. There's a few, but it seemed, and I know that that was something you were brought up, that there's just way too many kind of sludgy, let's play as slow as we possibly can doom. And it's nice that you guys are out there. So it doesn't even matter how much you change it. You're still going to be kind of out there standing on your own.

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your own a little bit. In a good way. In a good way, yeah. I mean, I can think of a band like Age of Taurus from England. They kind of have a similar sound like you guys, which is kind of cool. Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. And regarding that, and I remember a few people were a little upset with me about what I said about that. But you're spot on about that. There are just way too many bands doing the same exact thing right now. Yeah. And that's not to say that there aren't bands who do that thing really well either. I mean, I don't really listen.

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to a lot of that stuff, but I will acknowledge that there are bands who are really good at doing it. It's just that there's so many of them. And it's just like, yeah, it's just everything's lost in a wash. There's so many stoner and like retro 70s kind of doom bands out there. When they first started coming out, I was very pleased. And now I can't listen to any of it. So, you know, but hearing some actual traditional doom, that was nice. Yeah. And you know what else? You guys actually solo a little bit. I kind of dig that about the music. There's some nice technical.

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solos in there that aren't kind of the traditional style of doom nowadays so you guys are yeah i'm and i read you i read something about that you're a guitar guy i guess right and you like that yeah okay just real quick as a sidebar who are some of your guys that you like that you listen to um well i got into when i got into playing guitar it was uh through like ozzy's old player so it was randy rhodes jakey lee and like old school like zach wilde and then uh during my high school years i fell like deep into like you know the shrapnel records hell

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It was like Jason Becker and Marty Friedman, Paul Gilbert. Those guys were like huge to me. Speaking my language here. I like this. Yeah. Yeah. I was big into that. I spent so many hours in my bedroom just trying to play along to those records. But actually, the other day, I just saw Uli John Roth. And that was just hands down just the most amazing. All right. I got to ask you. So you saw him live. Yes. Was it just like the most intense guitar sound you've ever heard in a live show where you could

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You can hear the rest of the band playing? No, I can hear everybody. It was crystal clear. I saw him with one of our buddies. We poke a little fun at once in a while, our friend TR. He and I saw him in the old Empire slash Jax in Northern Virginia. I literally could only hear him on stage. It was so freaking loud. The rest of the band, they could have been doing nothing. He has preamps built into that sky guitar, so it's loud as fuck. It's intense. It just rips right through you. He's a force.

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I've never seen anything like it.

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The only guy I've seen at that age play like that is maybe Alan Halsworth.

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You know, I saw him.

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Yeah, I mean, there's, not to sound corny, but there's guys who are really good at guitar,

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and then there's artists, like real out there guys who just happen to play guitar.

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You have your Steve Vai, or you have your Uli John Roth.

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Kind of the same sort of deal.

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But yeah, he was, I got to, my buddy got us these VIP meet and greet things,

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and I was shaking like a leaf.

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I was just like I felt like such a fucking nerd. I was just standing like oh my god what am I gonna say to this dude? Like I showed up with no records for him to sign because I didn't know what kind of venue it was gonna be but it was like a theater where you could sit down but you got like a poster out of the deal. I felt like such an asshole just like walking up like with nothing for him to sign except for this poster so I like awkwardly. Damn it I should have brought all my old Scorpion albums. Yeah. Well no I think what you do in that situation is just say hi can I just stare at you for a minute dude? I hope that's cool.

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He talked shop and talk guitar and he was crazy. He was like talking to this old wise wizard, his guru. He sort of looks like that on stage. He does. He talks exactly the way you would kind of expect him to. He was very cool. It was a very cool experience. Well, just saying he was inspired by Hendrix and also in the spiritual way. He talks like Jimmy used to talk. Yeah, he's got the Hendrix thing. We talked a little bit about that. The thing about him is

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this in his playing compared to all the other contemporary guys of his era, he's way, way more advanced.

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Well, he moved on.

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Yeah.

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He developed this time.

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Even in Scorpions, even on Sales of Charon, nobody was playing rock guitar like that back then.

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That was crazy shit.

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Everybody talks about that one.

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Yeah.

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But that's, at the time, it was more classically influenced.

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And then, of course, Yngwie came out a couple years later.

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And obviously, Yngwie cites Uli John Roth very frequently.

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as an influence. I believe Jay and I will be seeing him later this summer. Who's that? Hingibay or Uli? Uli. Yeah. Is that true? Yeah, he's playing at Valken. Oh, wow. Is he doing a Scorpion set? I don't know. Didn't say. Just said he was on the lineup. Cool. Yeah. Yeah. When I saw him, he did the Scorpion set. It was cool. Yes. It was amazing. I had a blast. So speaking of, you know, influences, are there any bands that influenced the entire style of Crypt Sermon? You know, anything that led you down that path? Usual suspects for what,

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you would expect for out of the garden it was you know candle mass uh dio sabbath and like solitude

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a little bit of trouble uh it's pretty much who you would think it was with the influence of out of the

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garden but um think about out of the garden it was kind of a learning curve for all of us because we

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never played so slow before we're you mean playing fast band so it was it was more just like getting a

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handle on how to actually play the shit and uh i have to say i find that amazing because listening back

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to you know not listening back but having listened to out of the garden for a couple years now it's like

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It's like you've been doing it for a long time.

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Yeah.

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So it's amazing that...

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So what you're saying is that nobody in Crip Servan at the time was actually playing that style of music?

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Not really.

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I think James, the other guitar player, had a better idea of how to play it.

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Because when we were writing together, it was just the two of us and we were just jamming.

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And he just had a better feel for it.

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He kind of kicked it off.

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And then I gradually learned how to do it and start writing my own songs.

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And that's kind of how we've been doing it.

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We'll write some songs together and then I'll write a song. James will write a song.

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Sometimes Brooks will even write a song or something like that at home.

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But it took practice.

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But it's been fun.

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It's actually, I mean, it's more of a challenge now, I think, for all of us to play slower because it's a little more nuanced.

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And it's not just a blur.

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It's not a wash.

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When you're playing fast, it's like if you fuck something up, well, I've been playing so fast the entire time no one notices.

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With this, it's a little more nuanced and it's been tricky.

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You have to be a lot more accurate and just sort of in the pocket. And playing and this, I'm not, I don't mean to be, I'm not trying to be rude with this question. Just for someone who doesn't play guitar and this isn't, you know, it's obviously you're having fun on stage, but this isn't boring for you to play on stage. Like it's not at all. Okay. It's, it's, it's hard for me to try and properly phrase the question. Like when I, when I imagine, you know, being a guitarist, you'd want to play the faster, the more enjoyable stuff. I just like, I always wonder why would anybody want to be a drummer in a funeral doom band? Right.

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Also, to be quite, would anybody want to be a drummer? We could just stop it there. But no, it's actually, it's really fun. Because it's just a little more open. You can just rock a little bit more. More soulful? Yeah, it's just a little more open. The songs, you can pull back. It's a little more dynamic. And of course, you know, there's solos. Yeah, of course. Like guitar solos, not again. And really, in all honesty, it's just about writing good songs, not who can play.

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what and how fast and how many notes are playing it. Of course. There is a lot of it. And you can let your guitar do some of the work. I mean, there's something very musical about just playing an A chord and letting it go. You know what I mean? That's a good thing. Yeah, it's a time and place for everything, I think. There you go. You're starting to sound like we like John Roth. Hey, Steve, I think the real question from Buke there was, is do you really want to keep playing this boring Doom when you could be doing this really cool death metal project you just talked about killing a second ago? Trench rot.

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He's trying to point you that way.

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Yeah, isn't this unsatisfying for you in some way?

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Don't you feel like you're wasting your life?

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So, Steve, when you moved to Philly, I'm sure everyone, you felt the need to find a cheesesteak place.

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Oh, here we go.

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Did you find one?

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What's your one of choice?

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Favorite.

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You know, I don't even know.

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We're going to need to know this when we're up there next month.

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We don't hold punches on this show, Steve.

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We want to know the best cheesesteak right now.

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Oh, I know it.

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I'll point you in the right direction. If you're going to go to the two famous places, which is Pat's and Gino's, go to Pat's. I wholeheartedly agree. Yeah, Gino's is gross, even when you're drunk. Gino's does these thick slices. To our listeners in South America or Europe right now, they're like, cheesesteak? Is a steak made of cheese? I live out in West Philadelphia, so I'm kind of away from it. How about a good hoagie shop?

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with no use to you.

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You can see, we're all healthy boys on this podcast.

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We like to eat.

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My go-to, when I go back to Philly to visit family, I definitely go to Jim's on South Street.

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That's my go-to.

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Jim's, yeah.

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Jim's is great as far as cheesesteaks.

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I'm not too entirely picky, but Jim's was always my favorite when I was anywhere else.

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But I was just saying for the sake of brevity, if you were going to famous pots, it'd be the Pats.

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Yeah.

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Well, that's over by the TLA, right, Jims? Yeah, I think the TLA is off South Street. I may have been there a few times post-TLA. You just don't remember. Oh, I remember. Trust me. I lived up there for two years, so I remember. We are all going to be also up in Philly for the OPEF Mastodon Big Lake Little Festival thing for the day. Oh, cool. Yeah, I'll be there. Oh, well then, fuck Steve. We're definitely hanging out with you then. Steve, are you going to the Decibel Tour Obituary Creator? I think it's at TLA.

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Oh yeah, absolutely. And it's a, it's a killer package, but also like horrendous for their super good friends of ours. And actually the guitarist of horrendous is currently playing bass and Crip Sermon. So yeah. And I, um, uh, what was the other connection? Uh, Oh, Oh, not the connection, but blood fee. You remember blood feast. They're opening up that, that show. Oh, is that right? Yeah. It's going to happen. One time we're going to have a guest on here, guys, and it's going to be some bad love triangle thing. That's going to be some dirty laundry being aired. We keep getting all these guys who run in the same circles and stuff.

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Yeah, the key is, though, Bugus, to get them all on one podcast after another. So tell us, why is Arthur a jerk? No, he's cool, man. He's cool. Hey, Steve, from your standpoint, playing this more traditional Doom, stuff that's been around with the likes of Candlemas and bands like that, do you really rack your brain trying to come up with a unique sound? Or is there like a traditional Doom sound?

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that you kind of stick with? Right now, it's kind of, for better or for worse, been the former. I have been, I mean, when I'm writing, I try to push a little bit just to try not to sound too derivative. And that's the way it's been going lately. And there was a while there where I think I was just going, trying a little too hard. It's been a little more natural lately because I think I've sort of hit a stride. But I mean, but as far as Out of the Garden, it was much more, it wasn't as planned, I don't think. Well, Buke, you know, Tony Iommi already wrote all the riffs. We're just living in

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his world. Yeah, he's got to rearrange them as much as he can. But does it bother you? Because, again, somebody not in a band, when any band gets anything, the first thing that people do is they compare it to other bands. Yeah, but it's just to be helpful to people. I guess it is. So it doesn't bother you when, hey, Steve, people say, yeah, what does Cryptservate? They sound like, you know, whoever. It doesn't bother you when... Yes and no. Like you said, I understand the purpose of it.

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And it's very clear, especially with what we do. We wore our influences on our sleeves. But I do think it's bullshit when people are just like, oh yeah, this band, all these bands just sound like other bands. I'm so jaded. And it's just like, well, asshole, then you pick up a guitar and start a fucking band. That's just people being lazy because they don't know what to say. It's just because somebody tried on the path doesn't mean anybody should never walk down it again. And it's not even tribute stuff. I mean, you guys, I hear the deal quality in your music.

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I really do but there's nothing about it that makes me just think go I'll just go listen to a D.O. record you know what I mean I love that stuff and and you know every if that's true every band is just a derivative of the Beatles or the Rolling Stones I mean fuck that dude who gives a shit yeah I mean it's like saying like it's like this band isn't as good as Iron Maiden it's like well I mean who is yeah why don't you you must just not listen to anything ever but yeah just because I don't know what you read online or in magazines and stuff but you know every time you read a review or

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something, hey, another Candlemas reference is going to come up, or another blah blah blah reference is going to come up. It's like, oh, God, here we go again, you know? But you know what, there will be Crip Sermon references, for what it's worth. I'm sure I've read at least one Doom review where they were like, it's Crip Sermony, you know what I mean? Which you should take with pride, by the way. It's the nature of the beast. Thank you. Until you've been around long enough to become the institution, you're going to be compared to things that are currently the institution. And I mean, I get it. Like, I mean, it's fair to make those comparisons,

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But I think at the same time, a lot of people, they just get the promo. And they're like, oh, yeah, yeah, right. Candlemask, Dio Sabbath, right. Sounds just like that. It's like, oh, okay, that was kind of a lazy write-up. I'm convinced those people don't listen to the whole record either, by the way. Well, and as someone who gets like a dozen promos a day in my email box, I do spend very little time on an album before deciding to move on. I'm like, you got to impress me in like 30 seconds with something or I'm moving on. And I have frequently, you know,

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admitted that I have passed on things that turned out to be awesome just because the volume is such. But I would not do a review of something without having actually listened to it and think I knew what I was talking about. And we did not pass on Quip Sermon, by the way. That was one that caught on. I won't stray from the course too much, just while it's on my mind, and I don't want to open this can of worms too much, but I think a lot of the problems with a lot of journalists, I put in quotes, is that they listen to things for how they want it

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rather than they listen to things for what they are.

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Or they don't, you know what I mean.

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But they don't listen to things for what they are.

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And when I was younger and I read, like, I was getting into metal and some of the reviewers and like Metal Maniacs were like, well, this isn't really for me.

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But if you like this or you like that, you'll probably enjoy it.

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There's not a lot of that anymore.

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Usually there's just, I don't know.

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I find the reviews, I don't know.

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You should probably cut this out.

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No, this is good.

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I'll sum it up for you a little bit.

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in that I've said this before on our pod, which is there's many a record I've bought based on a negative review. And I was like, oh, yeah, that sounds right up my alley, dude. You know what I mean? Like, I mean, fuck, dude. I mean, it's just how it is. But I agree with you. Reviews should not be. Here's what they should have done. This is the product. You've been given it. Listen to it. Like it or don't. You know, we don't need your pointers. You know what I mean? Go ahead. So I was just going to say, I mean, there's there's things where it's just like, OK, this this fucking sucks and there's no way around it. Like I remember one of the things Jeff Wagner said in Metal Maniacs when I was reading one of the

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the demo reviews for a band. He just said, did I just take a bite into a giant shit sandwich? And I'm just like, it was just like, and he was usually, I mean, he had teeth, but he was, and he had his case, but it was very much just like, okay, well, this may not be my thing, but if you're into this sort of thing, you might like it. See, I would have automatically assumed that was a new Spinal Tap album, and I would have bought it regardless. Where did they print that? They can't print that. Steve, question for you. Has Out of the Garden gotten a bad review? I don't recall having,

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and seeing anything that was too insanely negative. It's gotten lukewarm reviews and unfavorable reviews, but I don't think nobody's like crashed it that I can recall. I don't know. I was reading the reviews as the album was coming out and I haven't read anything lately. Well, the truth of the matter is, it's just, I try, I really should try to avoid reading reviews in general. But, you know, I'm only human. I want to know people think of something I worked hard on and that's just human.

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Yeah, but I kind of looping back to what we were saying earlier about, you know, it's not my cup of tea and stuff. As a brewer, I look at reviews of the beers that I've made, and it always drives me nuts when somebody will totally shit on a beer that I made, and in the end they're like, but I don't like smoked beers anyway, or I don't like hoppy beers anyway. I'm like, well, then don't fucking review it. Yeah, let someone else do it. Well, I was just going to say that, you know, I don't think anyone cares about a negative review if there's some well-thought-out process to the...

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have seen is somebody's like can the guitarist grow his hair bald-headed asshole no i'm sorry

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yeah actually his beard his beard's not long enough that's the problem that's why you're in a doom band

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steve because you rock the shaved head if you were in a heavier band you'd have to head bang i mean

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once upon a time i had hair halfway down my back fortunately don't make a bold statement like that

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Because you see our own George here. At one time, George did have long hair. Now he's about hefty. And now he's bought in a little big. So that's your future. I think we all had long hair at one point, didn't we? Oh, I did, yeah. I did. You're rocking the Grand Magus look. Magus? How the fuck do you say that? I never can remember. Magus. Magus, thank you. The Grand Magus look. Yeah, everyone's just like, dude, just do like the Nifflheim brothers or like Dio. I was like, I would just look more like Gallagher. Not a look.

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I'm fooling you guys mine or Brian Johnson just get a fucking patty cap and let it come out the sides and there's only one Devin Townsend from the early 2000s right oh god forgot about that that was a rough look all right he looked like the Crypt Keeper really is what he looked like didn't he or John Travolta from Battlefield Earth oh god hey Steve if if there was real quick one last question if there was one track that you could say to

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recommend somebody to check out out of the garden. What would you say? Start with this track. For a starting point? I don't know. I think Byzantium is a good starting point. I think that's a good single, I guess, so to speak. It's pretty simple. It's to the point, but it's very big. It's just kind of majestic. I almost wanted to have a section on the script today about songs stuck in your head because we did that a couple years ago. And one of the songs is

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is Byzantium. It very much sticks in your head.

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It's great.

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That's one of my favorite songs.

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It's also one of my favorite ones to play live.

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Moving forward, I have to say, if you guys do tap Arthur again, do not go longer than, what did he say?

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About 45 minutes?

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No, 37 minutes, I think it was.

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No, he said 30.

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No, it was 37.

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Are you sure?

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Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

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I did look this up and out of the garden was a little over 42 minutes perfect

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yeah inhale that was actually pretty deliberate we had another track that we from our demo

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song called belly of the whale that we recorded for the album but it didn't flow right with the rest of the record it just it wasn't as strong of a song and it just sort of seemed out of place but also you know if we were to go anything over 42 minutes we would have had we would have been double LP territory yeah so I think we want to do that record I think that was one of our

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Arthur's soapboxes.

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Yeah.

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He was like, if it goes over 37 minutes, I'm walking.

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I mean, I can agree with that to an extent, too.

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The thing about it is a record can be an hour long, but I don't want to feel like it's an hour long.

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I have to be engaged.

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Did you listen to the Vector album last year?

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Which feels like four hours.

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Oh, yeah.

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I love that album.

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We all do.

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But some of these guys say it's too long.

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Yeah, you made your way all the way through it in one lesson, Buke.

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Yeah.

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Yes.

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He's just on the first one.

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But I will admit, the one time I did it was an all-day hunting trip during the second day of Guns Nights.

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Okay, fair enough.

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So I was in the woods for 10 hours anyway.

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Hey, Jay, he's on LP1 right now.

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I mean, dude.

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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I think the record's awesome.

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It is.

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And also, they're good friends of mine.

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Actually, I did a fill-in on a tour with them.

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Oh, my God.

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Yeah.

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It's a shame that they freaking broke up.

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Yeah.

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Do you know what happened there with everybody except the main guy?

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I mean, I know, I know, I know a side of the story, but not at liberty. Wait, is that the dude from ghost? Haven't they just ditched their third version of the band for a whole new version? Yeah, I read something about that. Steve, when you guys aren't in the studio practicing, you know, we've, we've heard talk the past year of some big bands, disbanding, breaking up bands like vector, Agaloc. You, how do you guys as a band maintain a friendship to where it doesn't get to the point where,

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internal strife starts and you guys are breaking up well i mean the thing about uh crypt sermon is we're not a band that is able to go out on the road for six months at a time six three months at a time uh we take this very seriously and we take music very seriously we're big music fans but for us it's just um getting together making killer songs and then you know we're all we're all very busy we all do our different thing but you know we do hang out too but it's but we're not locked in a bus with each other for months at a time either so it's it's more or less like we're just

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Getting Together. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's that's that's all it is. Yeah. Isn't it funny? And that's just truth that success can ruin a band. You know, I mean, that's that is one of the things that happens with success is this sudden tight. Suddenly these guys that you tolerate quite well, you have nobody else but those guys. That's the thing. Like when you and it's, you know, it's embarrassing and it sucks. And because, you know, I worship these guys in their prime. But something like that, like Metallica movie, for example, everyone's like, oh, man, these guys are such divas. It's like it's like, well, I mean,

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Sure, maybe, but they fucking have been literally in a band and on the road since they were teenagers. They grew up in that band. They grew up in a very different place than normal people do. A dysfunctional place, dude. Yeah. Because they're also surrounded constantly by people telling them how much they love them and so on and so forth. I mean, how fucked up must that be? Hey, but in defense of Metallica, though, after all that, where people call them divas, they still banded together to get rid of that psychiatrist and he wanted to go on tour with them. They're like, we're done with this fucking guy.

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And then they went on to make a bunch of crappy albums. So God bless them. Sorry, George. You know, if we took the podcast on the road for even three months, we would implode in no time. What do you mean three months? We barely made it through Death Fest. I know. It's true. I'm going to be there next week and I'm like, God, I'm there four days. Is that too long? Are we going to kill each other? What's going to happen? We already have a basis for it. John's Knee would be the reason why we would start the littlest fight. Somebody would bump into him and he'd be like,

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Fuck you! Oh, believe me, I saw what happened when you bump into John's knee. Oh, yeah, that guy deserved that, man. That fucking douche. Steve, do you and James do most of the writing for the album and the upcoming album? Yeah, it's mostly us. I mean, me, as far as like smoothing and ironing things out, we do a lot of that together. But it's James and I are the primary songwriters in the band. But I mean, I'd say that everybody helps sort of smoothen it out when we play together. Okay. And who does the lyrics? Brooks.

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Brooks wrote Masters UK. That was one of the songs he wrote, actually, very last minute. Will the Ancient Call and Masters UK were written super last minute before we went to record that album. And there's two of the better songs on the album. It was awesome. What was the impetus to do some of the biblical references for all the lyrics? Because I find it fascinating. I think it's great. Yeah, Brooks, that's Brooks. I think as far as the conceptual,

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like Brooks. We just sort of let him do his thing. Because I mean, I'm sure as hell not writing lyrics. But yeah, he went to Catholic school, I think, when he was a kid in North Carolina. If I remember correctly, that's what he told me. So sorry to get it. Yeah, I mean, so he's, yeah, so he has some things to say. I think a few more workers to work through those issues, yeah, for sure. And it also just, it adds the aesthetic. I think it's just very, it goes well sonically with what we do. I'll do it with the Bible, the Lord.

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Lord of the Rings are not that far removed. You know what I mean? And you know what? We're all just getting tired of hearing whiny fucking lyrics about how somebody's life sucks. I'd rather hear about some crusaders just slaying their way through the world. A troublesome man comes to mind. I'll drop that. I'm going to keep bringing that up until I almost say it. So is that going to be the same direction for the new album coming up? Sort of like the biblical sort of ancient lyrics? Yeah, it's going to be

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there, but this album is going to be a little darker in the lyrical content.

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Oh, cool. So we're getting to the later parts of the Bible then.

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Yeah, I was going to say, so you're going to really follow the Bible more truly then.

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We're moving past the Acts of the Apostles then.

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Yeah, it's a little more bleak, I'd say, conceptually.

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Awesome.

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Well, yeah, I work at a library, and occasionally somebody will actually check a Bible out.

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It's always hard for me to not say something like, this has got a real surprise ending, dude.

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It takes a real dark turn.

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You're going to be...

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It's a real revelation.

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Oh, sorry. Did you find that in the fiction section? Don't get attached to any of these characters except for like two. George R. R. Martin could have written it. No, he wouldn't because he's still working on the other 4,000 books he's got to finish. That's never going to end. Yeah, it's never going to end. Well, the TV series is going to end. Boy, big surprise for everyone. Game of Thrones just stops because there's no more books. Yep, sir. Well, George is right. The show will come to a conclusion before the book does. Yeah, wait. Nobody's dead yet. All right, before we get into the news, I've got a couple of

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a couple of little tidbits to pass on. Very self-indulgent stuff, so bear with me. The first thing, and John's probably already smiling because he's been keeping up with this. In fact, he brought this up to me that one of our listeners, our friend Greg, his Bandcamp collection, apparently I was creeping up on the same number of items in my collection as he had. And he's like, you got to pass him. Well, and for the record, Greg's got a shitload of purchases on Bandcamp. Yeah. He's like,

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Well over 600 albums. Yeah. Wow. And I was like eight behind him at that point. And when he pointed this out to me, so I had to go on a mad spending binge to pass him just to be like, I have more. I was like, fuck this, man. You got to pass. We can't put up with that shit. Yeah. So the glove has been thrown. Greg, what are you going to do about it? We're going to go buy like 50 new albums next week. Yeah. So is his all metal and yours is half synth wave and half metal dungeon wave. I have a well-rounded collection. Thank you.

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You are what you listen to. Exactly. I was wondering. I thought, Will, Will's just walking right by him these days, but no, he got that. Also, I was going to give a battle vest update. Steve, I've been building a new battle vest in honor of Jay and I going to Valken this year. The sleeves have finally been cut off and the front, all the patches were glued on and sewn on. I have glued all the patches on the back. I'm waiting to start sewing those on. It is

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It is turning out well. Are you going to wear a t-shirt underneath this battle vest? Depends on the time of year. He's going to be bulletproof, I'll tell you that. Yeah, I was telling Jay I tried it on this morning and there's so many goddamn patches on this thing. It feels like Kevlar. Not that I know what Kevlar feels like, but I could imagine. I could tell you what it feels like. It's probably a lot heavier than this vest, I'm sure. But anyway, so I'm hoping to have this ready that I'll actually be able to wear it at Decibel. And one final thing before we get into the news. I picked up Decibel's Top 100 Metal Tour

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I was like, you know, I want to know where do I rate out of the top 100 metal tours? How many have I seen? Well, I completely fail. I have only seen two out of the 100 best tours. Which tour are those? The Injustice for All tour and the Motorhead Dio Iron Maiden tour. Oh, yeah, that was a good tour. I was at that one. So I got one. To be fair, most of the tours on there are like mayhem and like all these like obscure black metal shows that you had to be in, you know,

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Scandinavian. Right. Well, number one was ultimate revenge, right? I think that's what it was. That number one. Oh, was it? Sounds like it sounds right. Yeah. I still regret to this day. I, when I saw a venom, um, incorporated not long ago and they were great by the way. And, um, I wanted to ask them why on the ultimate revenge video or as the other stuff from Kelly or from New York, but the venom footage is from Britain. And I always wondered if it was cause they got too drunk at that show or something. And when they taped it, I really wish I had asked them that. All right. Probably more than like, probably. I mean, if you've seen the video, they, that's, they have to be a good idea.

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I have video of them being interviewed and they're drinking a whole bottle of Jack Daniels and I figured they just went out and just blew it that night probably yeah I mean when I watched I went to Venom Inc too Abaddon like rushed a fifth act like during yeah did you think it was a great show too did you enjoy seeing them it was awesome I mean it felt way more I enjoyed them way more than Cronus Venom yeah Cronus Venom I thought it felt it just felt more like Venom to me it was well Tony Dolan is kind of loose yeah it was awesome Tony Dolan fits really well and they are making a record right now

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They got signed a nuclear blast or something. My two cents is when I did the

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Decibel Desibeer collaboration down in Champion. I saw Albert and he's like insistent, like texting me like, hey, man, what's your what's your address?

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I got to send you that hunter for's out. Never got it yet. Yeah. So Albert, if you're listening, fuck you, man. Where's my where's my magazine?

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All right, we're going to move on into the news.

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First up, I almost forgot this was coming up, but Record Store Day is around the corner, and I looked at the list, and I didn't really see much of anything that really made me want to run out and deal with the crowds. I know John's got one that he's looking forward to.

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Yeah, I was just interested. Enslaved has a live album coming out that they're going to put out, I don't know, 2,500 total worldwide in different colors for different parts of the world. That's all. I meant to ask you, Steve, do you collect vinyl? I do buy records very frequently. I don't like to sound pretentious. I don't like to say collect. That makes me seem like I don't listen to them. Fair enough. Do you buy vinyl? I do. Okay. There's another one, George, too, which I'm vaguely interested in if it gets left behind.

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I'm looking forward but the Black Rose did that thing with Jimmy Page. Oh right I did see that. They're releasing an unreleased show from Jonestown, Virginia or some fucking place I don't know. It is a 10 inch record though so I don't know what's on it or anything like that. But something from the archive. Well I guess we'll see. What I am looking forward to is the news that Iron Maiden is going to be reissuing their albums from 1990 to 2015 on vinyl this summer. So I will finally get Brave New World

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And I knew the minute I paid too much for it on Discogs or the Record Store Day version that it was going to come out. I just fucking knew it. So can I just go to, I'm 30 years old. Brave New World, that was my first Iron Maiden album. My mom gave it to me for my birthday in 1999 when it came out. And I still think it's one of their best albums. I think it holds up with all the classic records. I off-fetted it very easily. Nobody here will disagree with you, dude. We all think it's an exemplary record. Ghost of the Navigator. Come on. In line between love and hate.

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Hey Steve to put it in perspective your first album you held was Brave New World mine would have been made in Japan that's how old I am yeah and mine was number of mine was number of the beast minus power slave yeah but uh go ahead no seriously go I was just gonna say it um that album came out at a good time for me because I was still getting into a lot of stuff Iron Maiden was releasing this new album I was like oh I've heard cool things about Iron Maiden I got it it was just so it's such a killer album it holds up with all their classic stuff I think it just came out at a perfect time for me getting banned

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How old were you when it came out? I was, so it was 1999, I was born in 86, so. 13? Yep, I was 13. So, having lived through it, I can tell you this, that is to say I was around, as were these fellas, when the other ones came out, maybe with the exception of Buke, but they, it's in the top five, easy, easy top five, and I mean, and that's putting it up against all the other good ones, and it might be top three. And here's the thing, also, I think we can all speak for this too, is that this was the return of Bruce, and this was the return of Adrian, and it kicked the ass on top of that.

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I mean, it wasn't just that we all liked it because those guys were back. It was badass with those guys back. We did a list not long after I joined the pod of top three reunion records, and I'm fairly certain it was on everybody's list. It's such an awesome record. I just had this conversation with my friend like this ago about how fucking awesome that record is. Cool. Well, as I say, no detractors here, dude. We all completely agree with you. Did any of the older gents on the podcast happen to catch the pay-per-view of Bruce's last show with Iron Maiden before he

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They left the band. Of course. Yeah. Me and my roommates chipped in and got that. No. Yeah. They, they, like impaled him at the end and just left him hanging there on stage. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Simon Drake's magic. So I had to VHS that. Yeah. Yeah. That's the one. Yeah. Um, so I got to ask, they're, they're re-releasing all these albums on vinyl. Is anybody going to pick up the Blaze albums? I'm only picking up one. Which one? It's the one we're talking about. That's it. Yeah. Well, yeah. Yeah. He's picking, the only one he's picking up of the reissues is Brave New World. Brave New World. That's it. Yeah.

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No, I guess is the answer to that question, George. There was one song I liked from that era. It was called Blood on the World's Hands. I thought it was a pretty good song, but there's no reason to own those records. What about Fear of the Dark? I'm going to get that. I'll get that. Jay, you didn't like the Klansman with Bruce singing in Rio? Dude, I mean, it's cool. It's all right. I don't know. You know what? When the Blaze era was happening, I hate to say it, but I was emotionally divided. I was listening to those Bruce records at that time.

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The Brute Records were awesome. Greg was trying to get me into, I think it was at the X Factor recently. He's like, dude, you got to go back and listen to this. And I didn't. I was like, I just can't. I just can't do it. I've tried so hard to love that album. I've listened to it like 10 times. I'll have these phasers. I'm going to be super into X Factor now. And I'll put it on and I'll listen to it. And the thing is, Iron Maiden, if they're worse, they'll better than a lot of the trad metal that people are blowing at their best.

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But it lacks the sort of hunger and drive in it. The album doesn't really like how to explain it, but there's not a lot of cliffs and valleys. It's sort of monotone. Part of me, I thought it was the production on, like the production fell off big time. Was that when Kevin Shirley came around? I don't know when Kevin Shirley started with them, but they, no, I just, I had the exact same experience. Try to make myself like those records and just couldn't do it. You know, just never caught on with me. Sorry, Greg.

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Speaking of classic British bands though, I've just been meaning to tell Steve I very much admired a vest he was wearing in some Crip Sermon picture where he's got the nice saxon badge. I noticed that too. I was just thinking last night because I saw that picture. I was like, man, I should have gotten one of those for my vest. I'm a huge fan. Are there any eras you'd like of them particularly, Steve? Particularly the first couple albums up to probably Power and the Glory. Jay, did they deviate that much? Well, I mean, I agree with Steve.

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It's like this great climb of good songwriting and heavier sounding amps and things. They got more modern sounding amps. All the way up to Pardon the Glory. And then, no, they didn't deviate that much. They made maybe two bad records. And ever since then, they made it back on track. A couple of the modern ones are actually quite good. Like Lionheart and Killing Ground and so on and so forth, which was just released on vinyl again. I saw them at Prog Power a couple of years ago, and they were great. They crushed it. It was a good show. I always think they should be mentioned in the same breath with Maiden and Priest. They were the big fans.

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from Britain as far as I'm concerned. But Saxon just didn't catch on in America. Hey, speaking of patches, I forgot to kiss Steve's ass a little. I did actually order a Crypt Sermon patch last week. Good man. I've got a few more spots on the vest. I'm going to put it on there. It's not in the front right there in the middle. If I had gotten it earlier, but anyway, so they just announced that Megadeth is going to be doing a tour opening for the Scorpions. I thought that was kind of weird. First of all, because Megadeth 10's

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the headline these days and opening for the scorpions that just seems a little it seems cool i mean i'd love to see that i thought the scorpions were done yeah they keep retiring back on that but well they changed their minds when they did their farewell tour which i went to uh they were amazing and the crowds were amazing and from what i heard they were so impressed by the response that they decided to keep going oh yeah basically scorpions doesn't get mentioned on this pod enough for some reason i don't know why because they're really great at least up till maybe you love it first thing and slightly before that

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But I think

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they are a band for Dave

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that ACDC was. If they're going to call

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because I know he's a big ACDC fan

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if they call and say Open Fuel is one of his dreams

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so that's why that happened I'm sure

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Well for me I've never seen either of those bands

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and obviously Megadeth

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was a gateway band. I love Megadeth

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but there are older albums and Scorpions

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I love Scorpions. I think that's a really

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killer first gig for each of them

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for me. There's no reason I should miss

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Klaus still sounds amazing vocally. He does. He doesn't sound bad at all. I got a trivia question for you, actually, since we're doing a lot of Klaus. He had his voice. He had a voice problem, vocal nodes, when they were making blackout. It's kind of famous, if you remember, and he had vocal surgery. And there was somebody, God damn it, fuck you, man. I didn't even let me ask the question. That was well done, sir. What was the question? What was the answer? The question was somebody who, I think, sang some background vocals on it, and they had approached him to be the replacement singer in the Scorpions. And Steve jumped right on it, if you didn't hear it.

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What was the answer? Did you hear it, George? No. Okay, good. It was just too quick. But you don't know the answer? No. It's a weird answer. Tell them, Steve. Don Dockin was recruited to sing on Blackhead. Oh, wow. Isn't that crazy? And he's thanked on the album, too. I just got the reissue of that, and he's in the liner notes. Interesting. Yeah, didn't they look at Roy? I don't think the... He had a few vocal tracks. I don't think they survived, though. I think they got rid of him, didn't they? Yeah. I've never seen him anywhere, and in this internet world, they probably would be out. But he did... If I remember correctly, he did sing some backup vocals on the record, so that is...

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There. His voice is on there somewhere. It's just mixed in with everybody else saying, get there without you. You know. Nice. So, Jay, you're saying we might not have had all the Don Dog and George Lynch fights for the next 30 years? It would have been him and Mathis Jabs going at it, I guess. I don't know. I have my hands around his neck. So, some good news. I Hate God has announced some shows with Mike Williams, who has apparently recovered sufficiently from his surgery to get back with the band again. That's great news. That's awesome. Yeah.

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This is good for him. Yeah, that's awesome. When I went out with Vector, it was with an interesting lineup. It was Vector, I Hate God, and Iron Rake. I hate God, guys. Everybody was really cool. Mike Lehman was such a dude, but it's good to hear that he's doing well. Yeah, I was really worried. I honestly don't know what his issues were, George. He was having liver failure. He had diverticulitis. Still don't know what they were. That is the biggest word you've ever said. He actually had a failing liver. Yes. Liver cirrhosis. Oh, yeah, that's right.

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So he had a transplant. And it made me really proud of the metal community because they didn't have the money to do this. And obviously most musicians don't have insurance. And so they did a GoFundMe or something along the way. Some sort of Kickstarter type project. And myself and many other fans kicked in a bunch of money and he got to have the surgery. And he's still here. That's great. That's awesome. The liver is the only organ in the body that can regenerate.

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Is that right? I remember there was, so the last night of that tour, Dave Fector got like brutal food poisoning. He got really sick, throwing up. And we had to cancel last night. And I remember Mike coming up. He's like, oh man, he's throwing up. He's like, oh, that sucks, man. And then somebody shouts. He was like, Mike, you threw up every fucking day. And he was like, I'm a fucking alcoholic. There you go. Being around, you know, Mike, I wonder if, you know, we all hear of, you know, before artists going crazy drinking. You wonder if what,

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was doing to put himself in this position. Was it a bottle of Jack pre-show and after show? I mean, I can speak for him. Every time I saw him, he was drinking water. So, I mean, I don't know. I won't speak for the guy. I don't know. But he was a super cool dude. I'm just glad he's okay. Yeah, good to hear him get on the mend. Glad to hear him on the mend. So, I saw that there's a new documentary coming out from Banger Films, one of my favorite film companies, called

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Welcome to Vaken. And as someone that's going to Vaken this year, I would really like to see this because I think that would be really cool. So far, though, it's only going to be, you know, in like some theaters. It was and it was premiering at some festival or something. That's what I meant. It's a festival. Yeah. So it's got to be something to be available online, especially since it's like a virtual reality reality thing. I got to believe we're going to get access to it at some point. Yeah. All right. So we're going to get into a slew of like upcoming album releases now.

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November's Doom is releasing their new album Harmeria, if you know how to pronounce that, on April 14th. And they released a lyric video for the song Zephyr. Did anybody else hear this? I've checked out both songs off the album. Sounds like November's Doom. You took the words right out of my mouth. Sounds like November's Doom. Here's the thing. I mean, they're very good at what they do, and I expect it'll be just as good as all the other albums. And I know Buke will test this. One of the cooler guys I've met in metal was Larry Roberts when we hung out with him for a little bit of Death Fest.

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Very cool guy. Yeah. So I'm looking at you guys actually watch the video. There's a couple nuances in there that were pretty cool. Yeah. The whole thing with the he's writing the lyrics and he tear the page up and throw it away and write more lyrics. Yeah. Yeah. Did you do you notice that that the female hands came in whenever there was clean singing and right before the hard singing came back in. He take a shot of the whiskey. I didn't know. You know, it's really funny. I don't know how many of you've seen. I maybe George or Jay can give the song. There's a Bob Dylan video where he holds the cue cards during the video with the

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on him.

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Yeah, subterranean homesick.

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It's just so funny.

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Since he's done it, it seems like everyone's tried to kind of deviate just a little bit more from that idea of that.

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And it works every time.

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In excess to that, too.

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Yeah, people do it every once in a while.

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It comes up.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So this next one, John and I have a particular interest in this one.

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Oh, yeah.

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Fate's Warning is going to release a live Awaken the Guardian album next month.

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And one of the two shows is the one that John and I were at at Prog Power last September.

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It's pretty cool what they're doing because we're getting both shows at least on CD and in one show on vinyl. The one from I believe Germany if I'm mistaken. Keep it true or something like that. Yeah. One of them on DVD too. One of them is coming out on DVD. So they're both coming out on the DVD. Are they? Okay. Cool. So it's just very cool that they're giving the fans that it's not going to happen ever again. Yeah. I've already pre-ordered mine. Hell yeah. So did I. And another one that I wasn't surprised to see but I was glad to see. Danzig is going to be releasing a new album.

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a good album finally called black laden crown which is a cool name and that's coming out in mid-may so i'm hoping it's his time to come back because you know the last album was not so bad but before that he had a string of crap so you mean the covers one yeah i was gonna say you don't talk about the covers right no the horrible the black like red dead redemption or whatever it was actually that wasn't a bad record it's produced pretty poorly but it's not a bad record yeah no it was definitely a step in the right direction so i'm hoping that although

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that covers album was pretty gross. He just sounded like he was a drunk first time karaoke singer on that. It was bad. It sounded like he recorded it in his fucking garage. I am holding out hope. It also means that means there was no Misfits record coming, but whatever. Maybe there'll be more Misfits shows. It sounded like something that was going to happen. It did sound like that. I remember who said that recently. It might have been Dave Lombardo. I think it was. Next up, Ivar Bjornsson from Enslaved is releasing another project called Bard Spec, which is apparently

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Ivar does I'm going to grab onto so I haven't heard anything yet but I'll be all over that. I'll pick it up. Yeah. Iced Earth is also going to be releasing a new album called Incorruptible in mid-June. I assume that Stu Block is coming back as vocalist. I haven't cared for anything in the Stu Block era. Just don't give a shit. Yeah. I mean that's not true. I don't know. Something happened. I loved Stu when he was with Into Eternity and he's a great singer. I mean once I've even lost

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The Last Stu replaced... Barlow. Yeah. It's hard to follow up Matt Barlow. The man is amazing. It's just, when a band goes through their third, fourth singer, I start losing interest because I'm like, you know, give me some consistency here. Well, anyway, I guess we'll see what that sounds like. Or won't is the case maybe. I doubt there's even that much interest here. I'll always check it out. I checked out the first Stu album and... Walked away. Yeah. I'm in the Barlow camp.

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So I'm excited about this next one. Belphegor is releasing their new album Toten Ritual on September 15th. And I hope it's going to be more death metal black goodness. Do you know what Toten means in German? I guess not if I didn't even say it right. Death. Death Ritual. That sounds like Belphegor. I'm pretty sure. It probably does. And Toten is used on Monotheos 2. There's a Toten God or something like that. It's the name of it. Okay. So it'd be the God of Death, I guess. Interesting.

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Interesting. You learn something. Wow, Will. Will teaching us stuff. Every day is a school day when you're with Will. Dave Lombardo is not letting any moss grow on him. He's got another project with Mike Patton called Dead Cross. And that's going to be coming out later this year. I have no idea what that's going to sound like. Is Mike Patton the guy from Faith No More? Yep. Mr. Bungle. He's so full of himself. I don't like Mike Patton. I saw the Faith No More tour, was it two years ago now? Freaking amazing. Oh dude, I saw him on the tour, what's the name of the record, the big one.

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They were amazing. But I just can't fucking stand that guy. Please, gentlemen. Jay, I just can't help but think, you know, you live in my old hood that you might know some stories being out in the Bay Area. About Mike being a douchebag? Yeah. Maybe. All right. We'll leave it at that. I know a few stories and it's been 25 years since I lived there. Get the famous douchebag. Let's put it that way. Well, let's why don't we get Will Riled up here.

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Another smart band here. Yeah. Frank Bellow of Anthrax said that he'd love to work with Lady Gaga. So maybe she's going to make the rounds of the metal bands first. She was with Metallica and Will loved that. And now Anthrax is shaking his head. You know, I thought you put this on there just to fuck with me. Nope. And I actually looked it up. I looked it up and it's true. And I have no words. Fuck it. Whatever. Dude, man, we're going to have her on the podcast. I'm not playing anymore. We're going to bring her on. There's a picture of her wearing an Anthrax t-shirt or something.

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something. I think she actually does kind of know him or something.

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It will at the Decibel Fest. Can you ask Dave Mustaine if she's joining the band at some point?

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Hey, Steve, I love you guys. I'm looking forward to hanging out with you a couple of times coming up. But if you guys have aspirations to hang out with Lady Gaga, that's it. I'm done.

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I should note I'm going to see Lady Gaga this fall.

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Everybody walked away.

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I have some things to say, but I won't say them about that.

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All right, well, what's that? I was going to say not negative things so much. Oh, well, then help me out here. Oh, lifeline. George needs a friend on his podcast with his love for Gaga. Respect for him. I'm not like a Lady Gaga super fan or anything, but I do think that, I mean, as far as a pop star, and she writes all of her own songs and does her own thing, and I think that's awesome. I don't sit down and listen to her records or anything, but I think part of the reason is,

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Like, oh, I'm not surprised at all. Yeah, I don't think we were surprised.

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And I didn't see it. So granted, I have no critique or feedback on the actual performance. I just think it's funny. For me, it just feels like a new corporate partnership, which just gets under my skin. You know what I mean? I know they're not doing a bunch of stuff together, but Metallica work is at that corporate level now that just, I have a... That really gets under my... When you're Metallica... I have more power to them. It's not their fault that they're so fucking huge. I'm just saying, I just... When you're Metallica... It just takes all the fun out of them.

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You've played Antarctica. What kingdoms are left to conquer? You've got to do something to keep yourself interested. The thing about Metallica is... How about write a good fucking album? Wait, wait, wait. I want to hear Steve's point on this. The thing about Metallica, too, is even in their heyday, people... Granted, I'll be completely honest here. I was in a round from when these albums came out. But when you listen to... I mean, as a listener, when I listen to those albums now, in their prime, Metallica was always... Everybody was making a right-hand turn, and Metallica always made a left-hand turn.

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Master of Puppets sounds nothing like anything else that was coming out at that time. There was a lot more balls and ambition as far as the songwriting department and the things that they were doing. So I just think that people are like, oh, they don't thrash anymore. It's like, oh, I mean, yeah, they're fucking, they're older guys. They've made, you know, they've made a name for themselves. Maybe they don't have, they're at a different point in their lives now. But I think that it's just so funny that the short sightedness of people being like, oh, they don't play thrash anymore. It's like, even when thrash,

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was always doing their own thing.

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I think they'd make better artistic choices though if they still had Cliff around.

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In the Master of Puppets book, which is this amazing book that just came out,

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that's one of the things I read.

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One of the guys is talking, I don't remember who it was,

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I think it was Ross Halfland or something, that photographer,

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and he was like, it was very clear that when they had ideas,

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they'd bring them up, and if Cliff was like, no, we're not doing that,

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they'll be like, yeah, it's not cool, then we're not doing it.

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And so I think they would have made some better choices.

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You know what I mean? I read that book and I got that book. I got that book and read it in like a day and a half. The photo essay for Christmas. Oh, me too, dude, because I'm obsessed with that record and I love the photos from that period. But no, I think, I mean, that's definitely true. Like Cliff had a very artistic, I mean, I'm speaking for some people I don't even know, but in hindsight, but I think that Cliff had a very open-minded and very artistic direction. He was the one who encouraged that band. Like, look, who fucking cares about

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with this dude who has like a thousand patches on his best snakes.

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Like,

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well,

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he was the one in the band who'd taken acid and I'm not joking.

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I mean,

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he was their guru dude.

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He was the guy who fucking had the inside information.

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Yeah.

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And the rest of them were just like,

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okay,

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that's cool.

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But now,

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I mean,

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I,

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I worship those Metallica,

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those old records so much.

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I'm just sitting here.

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I'm just sitting back listening.

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I,

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I think Steve and I,

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who are right around the same age,

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uh,

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he's a couple of years younger.

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I think him and I don't have the,

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I,

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I had a pretty harsh reaction to this. But Steve, I don't think it hits home as much for us because we did not grow up like George, John, and Will did actually seeing Metallica start. These guys saw them back in the day. They saw, and they were around as these albums were coming out. They were our crypt sermon, dude. Seriously. And so it'd be like, you guys are this great, with all due respect, underground band. And you're kind of on this cool underground label.

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and there's this cut there's so clear that you're not trying to get on the radio or anything like that and not that there's anything wrong with that you know what i mean but um it's just that's that's what changed about metallica they just did become this kind

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people know. And I agree with you this wholeheartedly. They should walk whatever direction they choose. And I don't mean this as a put-down, but they're just some directions I don't want to follow. You know, I mean. Oh, no, that's the same. That's the thing about them. Like, they've done things that I did a lot of things that I don't like or I don't like. I'm not like, I'm not unreasonable or so much. I'm not in denial either. It's just like, yeah, it's like, okay, well, this album, it's like this. I mean. You like the

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It had a lot of the classic Metallica moments. It was really catchy. The song arrangements were clever. That was what made Metallica Metallica. Metallica was really good at doing things that were just super clever. But I think there's some duds on there. I think there's definitely some filler. It runs a little long. It's not an embarrassment. George is probably the only one on the pod who's really, I think, got into it more than the rest of us. But it's not an embarrassing record by any strange sense.

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I thought, I mean, when they released the title track, I was like, okay.

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I was like, whatever.

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But, you know, it sucks, and I don't want to say this, but it's like, you know, the bar is kind of set fairly low for them at this point.

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If it was not them and they released that record, yeah, we wouldn't be jumping all over it if it wasn't them.

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If that record came out, I doubt we'd all be calling it, you gotta hear these guys.

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But I thought when Moth and the Flame came out, I remember I was on my lunch break at work, and I put on the video, and I listened to it, and I was like, huh. And then I put it on like five times, and I was like, you know what? That song's fucking good. I think it's a good song. That's a good song. And that was, it wasn't like a, oh, this is cool for a Metallica song in 2016 or whatever. It was like, this is cool. This is a cool Metallica song. And that's, you know what? Honestly, that's all I could ask for at this point.

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It's just like

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I want to fall for hours a little

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Has anyone noticed that we were

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talking about anthrax here with Lady Gaga

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and they got kind of shelved for Metallica

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They always, they take over these conversations

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I just find it funny that nobody really gave a shit about anthrax there

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Well I'm going to add to the anthrax thing

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and just say something I said to George

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which was earlier this week

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that they just released a deluxe package

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of For All Kings

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which George and I, the only ones who like, fine

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But you owe it to yourself to go to iTunes or Bandcamp and listen to their version and carry on a wayward song. Which is just like this note for note retake, which is actually good. And Joey sounds just fucking awesome on it. What I love about this podcast is if you mention the word Metallica, just block off 20 minutes. Yeah, rant. Multiple rants. Oh, I'll go all day. Hey, Steve, that was a great book though, wasn't that? Master of Puppets book was really exemplary. Oh, yeah. I love it. It's awesome. I mean, Metallica in their prime from those albums is still,

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as far as a songwriting standpoint is like my biggest musical influence hands down that band changed my life so and a visual standpoint everything about them they were just the package man yeah um it's just i just think it's so funny like you said you mentioned metallica it goes on for 30 minutes but uh but um it's just so funny i'm you know i'm 30 and even people who are like a couple years younger than me are like oh man fuck metallica man fucking suck fucking sell up and it's just like dude really like i just don't know i think those are guys just trying to get their feet

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the cool guys. It's like coming out against Vietnam at this point, you know what I mean? It's pretty much the point of view. You sort of had to be there in 91 when you were holding that black album in your hand. That was rough. I don't think it's entirely long-winded, but I remember when Municipal Waste came out and broke through a couple years ago and the whole re-thrash thing was getting big again. It got a lot of younger kids into thrash,

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which is cool. They got into a lot of cool music, but because of that, they're like, oh, Metallica, a spoken corporate band. They're not thrash. They betrayed thrash. So I think a lot of that crowd has sort of just refused to even try. Which is too bad, because they're missing some of the greatest records ever made. Yeah, I mean, that's all whatever. It's a relevant point. I'm glad I lived through it, because Metallica still holds a huge place in my heart. Alright, we got one last news item.

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And this one goes out to my buddy Buke. So, Revocation has a song called Communion, featured in the new Power Rangers movie, and I expect Buke must be very proud. This was from their latest album, Great Is Our Sin. And I haven't seen how it appears in the movie, but it's probably 10 to 20 seconds worth. But it's cool that one of my favorite fans makes it on the big screen. You know what it's going to be? It's going to be when they walk into a bar they really shouldn't be in and walk right the fuck back out. It's going to be represented

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of don't come in here yeah so it's cool that one of my favorite bands you know makes it on the big screen so that's that's pretty awesome i don't think soundtracks in 2017 uh hold much weight unless you're my three-year-old and it's the trolls soundtrack which we listen to every day ah so you like uh what's his name uh timberlake justin it's justin timberlake it represents a little paycheck for him though so that's something hey trivia question do you know what soundtrack don duckin i'm sorry

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Angel of Death was in.

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I thought you were going to say Inigata DeVita.

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That was Lesson Zero.

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God damn it Steve.

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We got to go sometime baby.

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Back and forth.

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I knew that one.

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I know Die by the Sword was in River's Edge right?

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Something like that.

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I have to look at it.

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Can you give us an era?

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Mid 80s.

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Angel of Death.

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No idea.

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Gremlins movie.

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No way.

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Yeah, it's one of the gremlins. It's past midnight. They feed them or whatever, and they get bigger. I don't know if it was Gremlins 1 or 2. I don't remember. I remember sitting in the theater watching it as a kid and going like, holy shit, Slayer, Angel of Death is literally in this movie. Check it out. Wow. Look it up. Google it. You're just Googling it right now. Also, that was a good poll by Steve on River's Edge, which was every metalhead when I was a teenager, you had to see the movie. And listen to this. According to this, this is what's on it.

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And I don't think I ever saw the soundtrack. Do you remember River's Edge, John? Vaguely, yeah. It was the Metal Heads movie, but just because it had metal in it, nothing else about it was very metal. Yeah, things get blurry as you get older.

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Let's roll through these new releases, George.

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This week's new releases

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Yeah, they are

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Spend your

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hard-earned money now

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All right, so the first one

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is actually coming out next week, but that'll be

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before this airs, and I saw

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Will was already talking about it, with the band

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in fact, Bereft, and their

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new album, Land. So what do you

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think of that, Will? It's good. It is.

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I have to say that

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I tuned out because in the first song about a third of the way through, they bring in these clean vocals, which didn't really seem to fit. And I've listened to the whole album and I don't remember. I've listened a couple of times and I was actually down here putting together kids furniture in my basement. And my daughter was literally has her little frozen guitar and she's strumming along to breath. Like, are you trying to learn the tablature to this? Like what's going on? But I absolutely love the album. I can almost assure you this is going to be a good one.

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It's in the box.

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Yeah.

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It's a,

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the album is called land.

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It's a total death doom album.

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There is a little bit of,

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like I said,

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a little bit of clean vocals.

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And I think,

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I think it's only in the first song and that's it.

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That surprised me because there's actually another band called bereft.

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I think they're out of LA and I,

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I picked up their album back in 2012 called like an house.

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And it's more of a,

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I don't know,

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like it's just,

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it's heavier.

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It's a little different.

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And so I,

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I grabbed this promo.

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thinking that was them. Even though I knew this bereft previous album as well. But it's been a confusing. I think this is the same because I know these guys are Wisconsin. I think these are the guys that went on tour with our buddies in Gloom. They did like a mini, I should say mini, but they did a tour through like the East Coast, Midwest, I think. But I mean, it's a great album. I highly recommend it. Check it out. Cool. I'm loading it up right now. Yeah, it's good. I'm gonna let John take this next one. Yeah, well, because I can't say it. I'm gonna call this band a post black metal

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I checked it out.

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My Notes Were Not Bad, but I Need More Time With It. As in, I just went on Bandcamp and took a cursor listen. It's a full listen. I don't think you can... It's one of those albums that just kind of continues from song to song to song. There's no definite breaks a lot of times to each different song. But it's good. I enjoyed it. I like what I've heard so far. This next one I put on our list because I was hoping we'd hear it before it releases next week. That's the new Mastodon album, Emperor of the Sand. And we have Naga.

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I've not gotten a promo, so all we can really say is what we said on the last episode for the songs we've heard. So I guess we'll talk about that one next time. Next up is an album I'm very excited about. From the ashes of Bolt Thrower comes Memoriam, and their first album, For the Fallen. And if you had told me this was a new Bolt Thrower album, I would have believed you, because it sounds very much like Bolt Thrower, and I like it a lot. You know, it's interesting, when I was listening to this, it kind of reminded me if for some reason his vocals sound a lot like

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Napal Death. Barney, I think his name is. It almost seemed like a slowed down Napalm Death in a way to me. Slightly less bolt thrower, more like a slow Napalm Death. I think Carl enunciates a little better than Barney does. It's a great album. It is. A new story I think we may have skipped over in a band that sounds similar that I know we're fans of. They've had some lineup changes recently, but in the past week or so,

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I'm sorry to hear that. So in the same vein of similar sounding bands. That's a bummer. Next up, the Spanish band Moonloop just released their new album called Devotion, but it's spelled Devo or rather Dev Ocean. Devotion. Sounds like something Devin Townsend would do. I know John as well as I've been listening to this one, and it's pretty cool. It's kind of a prog death, maybe? What would you call it?

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Yeah, there's definite elements of Opeth. There's definitely some elements of Gojira. There's a lot of squeaks in there that Gojira does. Yeah, I can't do it. I tried. But yeah, I mean, well, I think you picked this up too, didn't you, Will? I did. And what's interesting is I listened to the first song, and the first song doesn't really sound like the rest of the album in a way, but it definitely has very much an Opeth sound, but it's a little bit more, I don't know, like avant-garde. There's a lot of weird signature, time signature changes.

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in there. I'm sorry, let me cut you off. What's the name of this band? Moon Loop. Like Moon Loop. All one word. Moon and then loop. Yeah, well, I agree. I think they kind of throw some left-hand turns in there in the middle of songs, which is kind of nice. I thought it was pretty cool. I liked it. Yeah, but there's definitely some heavy Opeth elements in it. And he sounds a lot like Ackerfeldt. So this next one is probably the biggest release of the week. The new Paul Bearer album, Heartless. Pre-Pod Chatters suggests there was some,

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is this now the new Metallica slash the new Opeth now? I love it. I enjoyed it. I think it's good. Yeah, I liked it. There is definitely a production difference in it. Improvement. I think a lot of it is. It's what you can almost say about Metallica nowadays, not to go back to Metallica, but I will. The guitar tone was not, it's a little bit brighter. It's not as heavy guitar tone. On some of the songs, you hear it. On some of the songs, I think you could have put

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put on Foundations of Burnin', but it doesn't have that same sort of visceral intensity.

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But I think it is. I think it's the production. Well, I don't think it's a guitar tone choice or even a writing choice. I think it's merely the production that's doing that. And I agree with you. It's a little bit more generally approachable.

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It's cleaner. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I definitely like it less than Foundations of Burnin', which was still to this day is very high on my all-time albums list. So I have to say I'm a little disappointed with it. It's not terrible.

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I mean, I like it, but it's not.

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Will, it sounds like you like it more than the last time we got together,

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because you were a little down on the two songs that were originally out.

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Yeah, now that I've heard the whole thing, there are redeemable songs in there

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that kind of harken back to some of the other ones.

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But for the most part, yeah, it's a little cleaner production.

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It's a little less, the guitar tones are not as heavy.

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I will say this, his singing has gotten better every album, I think, personally for me.

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I just think he's a better singer now.

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Yeah, I wouldn't disagree with that. So credit goes to Buke for this next find. And I'll be damned if I know how to pronounce it. So why don't you go for it, buddy? Yeah. Do your best. Or your worst. The one guy who can't pronounce anything. Hey, pronounce this one. And he's going to fucking nail it. Yeah. No pressure. You can do it. Warm up with a couple other words, Buke. I've been going back and forth all week for this. We're going with what you say. How's that? For the rest of time. Yeah. Until Evan tells us otherwise. Yeah. Replacing.

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I'm like is it replicire, replicire, replicire, replicire?

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What's up with the C? Is it hard? Is it soft? I don't know. So we're going to spell this out for you. R-E-P-L-A-C-I-R-E and their second album Do Not Deviate. And as John mentioned, Evan from Wilderun is part of this band, which makes it interesting because it is a death metal album to be sure. And then they just out of the blue go into these like clean vocals.

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So, Buke, are you a fan of this album? Oh, I love this album. Absolutely, absolutely love this album. There's prog parts, but it's not crazy, wacky. I went to Harvard and majored in math proggy. This is an awesome, awesome, awesome, awesome album. The reason why I'm asking if you like this album, because it sounds like it has a lot of that djent aspect to it. No, no, no, no. I know you hate my shit. I hate djent. This has a lot in it, dude.

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Oh, I don't think there's any gent in this at all. Oh, it's opening riffs. Yeah, dude. No, no, no. I'm surprised Buke likes. No, it doesn't. To me, it doesn't sound like gent at all. Personally. Yeah, I didn't get that either. No, I did. Let's see if Buke likes the next one. It was kind of like tech death to me, but with some clean vocals thrown in. Yeah. So this next one to incite another podcast riot. I didn't initially have this on the script until Buke asked me to put it on there. And that's the new Steel Panther, Lower the Bar, which we are now doing. Wait, we're not, Lauren.

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to bar by mentioning this? Yeah, we are. Did you get the meme I sent you? You did. I know you did. Yeah, I did. I love Steel Panther. I still laugh every time I hear their songs. I think they're great musicians on top of it. Now, I will admit this is their third, fourth album now. It's much of the same. I haven't even listened to it. I listened to about two seconds, and I will, full disclosure, I think I've mentioned this before on the

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I think it was 2010 when I first heard Steel Panther when I was in brewing school. I was like, oh, this is great. This is awesome. It was funny. It was funny. But then after the second album, you're like, all right, it's more of the same. And the second album was like just super raunchy to the point that I'm not, I'm certainly none of us are these uptight sort of people that will not, you know, cringe at the sound. Let me take that for you, Will. Will's the Marine. And he was like, oh, these guys got to tone it down. Exactly.

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We have lives, okay? We got to deal with this. Go for it. I have no feelings on this band. I don't care. The best part about it was watching everybody's face when this band got in. I will say this. Instant sadness and melancholy. I have seen them live and it was a great time to see them. I would say this. Go see them live once.

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It is a great show. Don't even waste your fucking time. No, because it's kind of like they know what they are. They get the joke. Sure. And they put on a show for you. And it is a funny show. So, let me ask you a question. Were you a big hair metal fan back in the 80s? I mean, I listened to it. Yeah, I did. Okay, that's a major flaw then. Rose has its thorn. Yeah, I think that's, I agree with John. That's my biggest problem is that hair metal was gorgeous. It's fucking hair metal, man. Yeah, I hated that shit. But it's funny hair. Like, I'm not trying to defend them because I didn't, you know, I didn't get to that. There's nothing funny about hair metal. They're a fucking joke.

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The Darkness.

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Other than tonight, we're going to rock tonight. Yeah. Yeah. Tonight, I'm going to rock you tonight. Yeah. All right. We've got one more new release and it's a goodie. Warbringer is back and their new album, Woe to the Vanquished. And it's pretty vanquishing. We're, Buk and I in particular, big John Keevil fans. So good to see them coming back. Does anybody else check this out? Not yet. Is it in a box? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Well, I guess I'll just have to say my, I'm all by myself. It's a great album. Check it out. I didn't want to double speak, but classic,

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John has a great great voice they're out there last album didn't catch me as much but this one's a great return to earlier warbringer sound that i like a lot yeah good stuff all right it is time to move on to our list

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We made a list and we all made a list and we're gonna tell you all about it right now. Oh, God. This time, Jay was giving me a lot of grief about this earlier. I was like, what motherfucker came up with this? Top five traditional doom. I mean, Jesus, dude. You might have just said top five metal albums. I mean, this is hard. This is a hard one. Yep. Top five traditional doom albums in honor of Steve. Fuck you for putting this on here. Yeah, well.

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All right, so the way this works, we start with our number five. We work our way down to our number one. Everybody's going to go around and give their five. We're going to start with Steve, move on to John, and then Will, and then Jay, then Bughe, and then myself. So to put you on the spot, Steve, what would you say your number five traditional Doom album would be? Oh, man, traditional? I'd say my traditional list is probably shorter than five. Everybody was complaining they thought it was too hard. I thought it was relatively

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I mean, because there just wasn't that many. Let's put the caveat on here that we were not allowed to mention Black Sabbath. Yeah. Yeah. I figured that was such. Because George, what did you say, George? You cannot, mere mortals cannot judge the gods. I mean, come on, Black Sabbath, they invented metal and so many of the doom mans that followed have at least a nod to them that it's just, it's kind of silly to put them on a list. Yeah. It's the blueprint. Yeah. So it's traditional doom. There's no death doom. There's no nothing. Right.

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Yeah, but you're a guest here. You can say whatever you want, my friend. Yeah, because I didn't really plan a list out too much, but I'll just... Just wing it. Yeah, I'll just wing it. Not too much. I'll start with one of the albums that influenced me when I was a younger kid. Nice, but not so much a traditional Doom record, per se, but I think Anathema's The Silent Enigma was one of the ones that influenced me and got me really into atmosphere and just sort of a bigger, portable sound, which is... And, you know, I'm not saying it's a flawless record, but it's a very personal record.

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It's very welcome on this list. It's a good choice. It's just amazing how so many

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guests like all the albums I like. I love it.

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Alright, well what is your number five? Well, okay, it's not anathema.

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I had a bunch of honorable mentions and as Jay was saying, this is too hard, I just scrapped them and dumped them. There's no point in even having any because there's too many.

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I've got one, but I'll do it at the end.

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Well, here, all my honorable mentions for my number five, I had three albums for my number five spot. They're all albums that came out like 15 years after the band actually recorded them. So if you know any history of early Doom, post-Black Sabbath. One of them's got to be a Pentagram record then. Well, you just fucking nailed it, Jay, because first of all, that album's awesome. But I mean, half of those songs were probably written in the 70s. But it's the old Death Row, All Your Sins demo, which eventually became Pentagram's first album, which is Pentagram. And then renamed eventually into Relentless. But I absolutely love that album.

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I think it's a great album. It's got a little bit of the 70s feel with a little bit of the 80s feel to it. So yeah, for two, but it's one of the traditional doom albums post Black Sabbath, one of the Godfather albums. So yeah, all right. Oh, that's your number five. Okay. Yeah, that's my number five. I had to. Okay. My other two were pagan altar. I don't know if you guys like pagan altar at all. Fuck yeah. You know, and then Sorcerer, who's late 80s, their first album, which didn't come out till 2011, I think as a comp, well, 95, 2000, whatever. That's another early or late 80s kind of traditional doom band that I like.

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Yeah, I forgot about that one. And those were all demos too. Same thing for them. Okay. Will? I went back and forth with George a lot over text to exactly figure out what this top five list was. I mean, and exactly what Steve was saying. And so no death doom, no black and death doom, just traditional what set like clean singing sort of like that 70s, 80s sound to it. And so therefore, I went very purist. And I have two honorable mentions. I'll just mention them real quick. And the reason why these are honorable mentions

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is because they don't fall very neatly into that category. Everyone knows my number one album last year is Eerie Eerie. It's sort of doom-ish, but I just love the album. So anytime I can get the chance to mention that album, I will. And Paul Bearer, Foundations of Burden. I love the album and just doesn't quite exactly fit into what I was thinking. So my number five, and I have to say my list, as always, is not in a very hard order, but my number five is Candlemas, Epicus, Doomicus, Metallicus.

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Good album. Excellent choice. All right. Mine was hard, too. So forget it. I was going to skip the honorable mentions. And I don't think John will think this was a weird choice. But I actually like this one actually had the weird singles, lost studio stuff, blah, blah, blah. So it's not really an album. It was an album. And ultimately, but Pentagram, Last Days Here. Yes. Yeah. I mean, I just there's just no dead space on that. And it all comes from that same era. It's just it wasn't really written as a record. It just came out in this conglomerate.

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But it's great and it works and it flows. So which if you know anything about pentagram is their kind of MO for those X number of years. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, well, just watch the fucking movie sometime. I mean, it's just an outstanding documentary. I love it. It is. It's really special. What's the lead singer's name again? Bobby Lieber. Yeah, and he's from the D.C. area. Yeah, there's a whole band from D.C. area. The original band was the original band. Yeah, I know Albert from yesterday's Saints and Gloom used to be in pentagram for a little while. Oh, is that right? I think he played with

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them live. When Bobby lived with his parents, it was in Germantown, just down the road from where I was working. Yeah. All right. That takes us to Buke. I don't know how hard this was. It wasn't that hard for me because a lot of the traditional doom is kind of boring for me. It's not real. He prefers the faster stuff, you know, like a guitar player. I'm hearkening back to his question from before. A lot of traditional doom for me. I like the heavier traditional doom where,

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It's almost there for a death side. It seems like to me a lot of traditional doom is like the old drunk guy at a redneck bar. Give him a guitar and that's the lead singer of a traditional doom band. So why are you not in a traditional doom band? Oh, snap. With that said, he'll be at Cafe 611 on Wednesdays and Thursdays from 8 to 9.

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With that said, St. Vitus, Born Too Late. Wow, that really fit the description you just gave it to, dude. A wino. A wino, yeah. Yeah, of course you picked the album with a guy named Wino. Wino, yeah. Oh, that's dope. All right. So I did have an honorable mention, and that would be Count Raven. And the reason this didn't make my list and became an honorable mention was because I couldn't narrow it down. The first album, Storm Warning, has one singer, and the rest of the albums have a different singer. And I couldn't decide which one I wanted to use.

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I just dumped it into the honorable mention. And so my number five, I mean, out of left field is a Finnish band called The Wandering Midget and From the Meadows of Opium Dreams. And did you just make that up? I did not. I think you did. No, they're from Finland. The album came out, I believe it was 2012. And it's really good. Ricketts. No, it's just we're all hitting our Google fucking here all of a sudden. Yeah, it's a curious name. That's what I was like, The Wandering Midget. What the fuck is that?

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I think it was like Little Kiss or something. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So on to number four, Steve. All right. Again, there was not a whole lot of thought put into this. I'm just picking things. But I think I'll go with Hollow's Victim Vitus. I personally am a big fan of the Rieger's era Vitus, more so than Mino. But I think Hollow's Victim, I think it injects a nice amount of energy injected into the song for Rieger's era. I just think it's cool.

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as a good like traditional metal uh doom metal release i think that's a fucking awesome

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okay awesome john all right it's already been mentioned joining will with this one candle mass

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epicus doomakismetal this you complete me for one he's slightly disappointed in me to i'm sure to say

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that the one candle mass i really considered and i'll tell you right now there's none on my list was

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believe it or not king of the gray islands just because i love it so much so heavy and bringing robert lowe in

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And I know it's all about Messiah, but... Jay, I'm with you too. I love him. I love Robert Lowe and the band. It's too bad he's gone now. My number four, my love for this band is well-stated these days. Oh, wait. Am I getting in front of Will here? I am. Sorry, Will. Jesus, fucker. Will, Jay, what's the difference? Just mix them up. Yeah, it doesn't matter. So yes, my number four. I'm curious, Steve, if you've heard these guys. Freedom Hawk. Have you known these guys? I do.

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I do not.

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I know it's a pain, man.

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We've all been there.

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A couple old ass Butons will do that to you.

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Yeah.

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Freedom Hawk, into your mind.

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And I've mentioned this before on the podcast.

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If there's a singer that can nail Ozzy back when he was in Black Sabbath, this guy does it.

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I've never heard anybody sound so, because Ozzy's had such a unique voice and that this guy nails it.

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So Freedom Hawk, they're out of Virginia Beach area, I think.

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The second singer for Count Raven is also a dead ringer for Ozzy.

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Okay.

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I'll have to check that out. But yeah, Freedom Hawk, Into Your Mind. I mean, it is by and by traditional doom. Now, Jay. My number four is a band who I have made it very clear that I'm very fond of these days. And they have a couple records that would fit very well in this list. But one of them, I think, perfectly, Witchcraft, Firewood. I knew that was going to be on there. Yeah. It was Witchcraft anyway. Was Witchcraft, was this the album that was your number one last year? Not the album, but yeah. I mean, they've moved on. I know the band was, but it wasn't this album. They're doing a much, they actually started as a,

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They've been sort of moving through the retro years. So they're sort of somewhere in 1978 now. But this record would be harking back to 69 to 70 or something. But it's really good. It's a really great record. Great writing. Totally retro doom. Totally traditional. Yukaki. Number four? Yes, sir. Again, I can't give the best descriptions with some of these because a lot of them in this genre kind of sound the same to me. I'll shit all over it every time you come up on the mic. Why don't you? Let me tell you.

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I'm not enjoying this.

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But one of my favorites, though.

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Trouble.

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Psalm number nine.

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Number nine.

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Nice.

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Wait, what?

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Number four?

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Are you kidding me?

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Number four?

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Yep.

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Jesus.

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Okay, hey, that brings it to me.

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Going back to Finland, or rather staying in Finland, I'm going to go with Reverend Bazaar

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and in the Rectory of the Bazaar, a reverend.

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Believe it or not, I strongly considered putting that Reverend Bizarre album on here, George. Yes! I did not think anybody was going to even think of that. No, yeah. They were on my to whittle it down post. Can you please mention a band that I've heard of before? From here on out, it will be much more traditional, if you will. Steve, you're up. Number three. Okay. I will also, Psalm 9, be my number three. All right. Good choice. Excellent choice. All right. Number three, Solitude Eternist, Beyond the Crimson

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Horizon Horizon. I almost put that one on. Oh, there you go. And you did get some Robert Lowe. It's my favorite one by those guys. Steve's having a seizure or he's really happy. I can't tell which one. I think he liked that. A little bit of both. A little bit of both. A little bit of both. All right, well, my number three, and this has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Steve is on here, but Crip Servant out of the garden. Man, if you can find traditional doom, that's it. I was wondering who was going to be the first to kiss his ass because,

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I specifically left it off not to kiss ass. Well, I left it on because I'm just being real. And I remember when John and I, I think it was our year end 2016 when we were driving up to Frederick to go see you guys in the Metalhead podcast headquarters studio. We were listening to Crip Servant on the way up, I think. Yeah. Not that I'm not known for kissing ass. I mean, come on. I had Joel on as my album of the year. I'm just kidding. That's basically what I mean by that.

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It's, Steve, you guys nailed it. The fact that you're from Philly may have influenced me just a little bit, but it's still great, obviously. Appreciate it, Jay. My least traditional choice, and probably one of the least traditional on all the lists, but it's just slightly heavier than a traditional, traditional, traditional? Anyway, whatever. But I see these guys as the reason that Doom is really, they are one of the footholds in modern Doom. Electric Wizard, dope fun. No, I totally agree, and I sort of left them off because exactly what you said.

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said they're not just didn't quite yeah yeah not quite because if we blur that boundary then i would

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have had like a gazillion honorable mentions so i went with very traditional well i could have put that is a great one well the early ones like the first two are actually super traditional but i actually like this one better so you know the first two uh electric wizard records that is buke number three number three count raven dorm warning there you go man just again like i said earlier it's a little heavier this ain't the this ain't the the drunk redneck at the bar smoking more

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I don't ever get that from doom. I don't know where you get that, but I did count Raven, so I'll take it. My number three, and in fact, this kind of reminds me of another honorable mention I had that I left off because I felt it was maybe a little too quick. They're definitely known as a doom band at times, but it was more of a death doom thing. But Paradise Lost's Draconian Times would have been on my list. But I considered it,

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That's a pretty quick album, actually. And I was trying to go with things that are a little slower, but one of my favorite albums of all time. And that leads me to my number three, which is part of that trinity of bands, My Dying Bride, Like Gods of the Sun. Yeah, I was wondering if you were going to put that on there because you talked about no harsh vocals. I'm like, well, you're going to have to dig a little deeper on My Dying Bride to get that. Yeah, I mean, I could have gone Angel in the Dark River, but that one's got harsh vocals. Yeah, that's a good choice. I like that album.

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All right, Steve, do you have a number two for us? Number two. Okay, so I'm going to go with Solitude Returnals. I'm actually going to go with Downfall as opposed to In The Steps of Sorrow or Beyond The Currents, The Crimson Horizon. Love all three of those albums, but I think Downfall was my introduction to the band, and I think song for song. It's just a fucking banger. I love that record. And there's something to be said for the album that introduces you to a band. Yeah, no, I mean, I think they really came in, I think they really started coming into the

01:52:49.500 --> 01:52:54.560
their own that record especially to uh sound wise songwriting wise it's it's just it's a great

01:52:54.720 --> 01:52:59.440
record i it's fucking awesome i love that record but i mean i could go on and on about it but uh we should

01:52:59.580 --> 01:53:03.840
probably move on all right then john number sounds like he's already part of the crew

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that's all steve's gonna say about that album so i'm gonna say about that

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all right we say that a lot yeah look deviated a little bit not much but absolutely love this album do not

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I'm deviating. Not that much though. That was an album reference. Yeah, I got it. Yeah. So Cathedral. Yeah, Thrill Mirror. Yeah. I wonder how many people were going to put it on here. Probably their closest to traditional Doom album because they were either harsh vocal Dooms before that or they went kind of stone and rock after that. Yeah. Carnival Bazaar. I really like that one too. I do too, but it's a little more mixed. That's kind of their bridge album, I thought. I like that album actually more than this one, but I wanted to stick to the kind of traditional Doom sound. Fair enough. I didn't mean to interrupt. Did I say Downfall?

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because I must say Through the Darkest Hour. You can do that two or three more times. Steve, on this podcast, we don't make mistakes. We're always perfect. Okay? I'm sorry. You get one chance. You get a lot of audibles on here. Yeah. Like nobody's ever... I didn't mean to jump in, but Through the Darkest Hour was the one I wanted. But anyways. Carry on. Yes. And we are at... Will. Will. My number two, Order of Israfel. The album Wisdom.

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And I may be alone on this one if anyone's even heard of it. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. Guys from Gothenburg, Sweden. I mean, this is very traditional doom. And one of the things that really caught me about this album is the second last song is a song called The Vow. And there's no instruments. It's just the guy going off on a monologue about how he is the son of Lucifer and Satan. And he is more powerful than the son of God, Jesus. And it's like this basically it's like a schoolyard smackdown of.

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You are nothing and I am everything and I just I don't know I did spoke to me quite a bit

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Their new one was kind of a disappointment. Well, yeah

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Yeah, red robes or something like that

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It just didn't hold up to the magnificence of this one, right? Yeah, the red robes was quite frankly yet

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Huge disappointment, but wisdom that was good. It wasn't good. It was great

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Okay, all right

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I thought I would have heard this one a couple of times and I suspect I'm not going to hear it at all now

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because I don't think it'll be so high on other people's lists. But I got this the same day, John, that I got the Pagan Altar album, the first one. Witchfinder General Death Penalty. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Great album. Boobies. Boobies. We all know that album. All right, Buke. This one, man, this is a great one. Maybe one of the ones after my number one I go back to the most because this one, it's traditional but could easily be a little Death Doom album.

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You know, the further up his list we get, the more he actually likes it. Yeah. Well, I mean, which makes sense, but he started off like, fuck Doom, and now he's like, I like this one. I like this one a lot. Solstice, New Dark Age. Wow. That is a great, great, great album. Good choice. So again, this one, you know, it's a real hidden gem if you like your Doom to be heavy but slow at the same time. As Doom would be, yes.

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You know what I'm trying to say. I'm just messing with you. As opposed to speed doom. Or technical doom. Confessor. There you go. I wish I was fucking better. I wish I was more well versed and could describe this better. Okay. You know what?

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I thought of it. Steve wearing a Bathory hoodie. Think of Bathory doing a fucking

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Doom album. No, that album's awesome.

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It's a fucking killer record.

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I agree. That's definitely top

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five worthy. Fair.

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Okay. For my number two, I would

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go with number nine. Trouble. So I'm nine.

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There you go. Number two?

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What?

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Who's got it now? John?

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It's not on my list yet.

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Foreshadowing. Okay, so

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Steve, what would be your number

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one? Okay.

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So I think my introduction to Candlemas was Tales of Creation, which remains my favorite, but I think as far as the definitive, vast, epic, traditional Doom album, I think Nightfall would be the one that everybody... I think that's the one, to leave that. I think that's it. I predict you're going to hear it two more times before we start talking. I think a lot of people will cite Epic of Stumicus as their favorite, and that's great and it's fun, but I think as far as the definitive, absolute,

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of traditional or epic doom, I think Nightfall wrote the book, in my opinion. I honestly think I predict you'll hear that two more times before these lists are dried out. Yeah, I think. All right. Well, let's see who's... Let's go ahead and get John over with, I guess. Let's do John, Will, and Jay in fast succession, because I have a feeling they're all the same record. Maybe not. The Obscura of Doom, the fastest doom band ever to live. Let's be doomed. Come on.

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B1, Trouble, Psalm 9. Come on.

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Song's faster than the speed of light.

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We can do this fast then, Will.

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I'm cheating a little bit. Trouble, Psalm 9, and the skull.

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Yes.

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Psalm 9 is first.

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All right. Trouble, Psalm 9. That's why I wanted to do that.

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You were right.

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And I think I'm right about the last two, too.

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I think you are.

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Puke.

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You are bewitch.

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Woo!

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Nightfall.

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Yeah.

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I am also Nightfall.

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I fucking love that album.

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That is...

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That is, to me, that is, yeah, that was, when I heard that album, it was like, wow, you know, the sky opened up and... Did you go out and buy a robe? I was like, hey, it's a fat metal guy like me. I can do that too. Apparently I can't, but... I don't think we've ever had a list that was that close on one, that where we had three, what was it, how many of us? John, if you had to put on your actual scientist hat,

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You say that Trouble Psalm 9 or Nightfall? No. I went Psalm 9. Yeah, I mean, it was basically on. Did anybody not have it? Not have it on their list at all? Yeah. I don't think so. Yeah. So there we have it. Did you know that, hey, I know all the other guys know, but Steve, did you know that Oli, the original drummer in Trouble, he had to leave Trouble, then the reform band, The Skull, because he's a brewer at Algash up in Maine. Oh, is that right? Yeah. That's crazy.

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He also has the unique ability to say, people, I'm not in trouble anymore. Sorry. I'm out of trouble, dude. All right. Let's move on to what we've been listening to lately.

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I've been listening to anything interesting.

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I wouldn't say I've been listening to anything so much that's come out this year.

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Nothing new entirely.

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It doesn't have to be new.

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It could just be anything at all.

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It could be...

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What are you loving?

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What are you liking?

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What am I liking?

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Okay, so I've been listening to the first two Kings X albums.

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Oh, far enough.

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Yes.

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Out of the Silent Planet.

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Aggression Goes to Nebraska.

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Yeah.

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I've been digging on those a lot lately.

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As far as new stuff, that Abagor, Nightbringer, and Side Arcade, more to four-way split where it's all one big song. That's been the one thing I've been listening to this year. As far as other stuff, what have I been listening to? While you're thinking, I'm going to tell you a really short King's X story because it's totally worth telling. When Gretchen Goes to Nebraska came out, I went and saw them, and Masters of Reality opened for them, if you guys remember them. I do. And there were so few people there that was me and three of my friends, and the crowd doubled in size when Masters of

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of Reality Stop Plane because they came out and sat in the crowd. So it was like we were literally talking to the band between and then they asked us if we wanted to do a request. And we requested a song they already played and they played it again, which was fucking badass, dude. That was like a great memory I have. That's great show. All right. Anything else, Steve? I'm just trying to think. So it was what I mentioned. It was King's X, that Avigor, that Arcade Nightbringer four-way split. Honestly, I've just been listening to that. Like Stars of the Lit and

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Blackwater Park. I like Stars on the Lid. I got a couple of Stars on the Lid records. That's about it right at the moment. I haven't had anything in too heavy rotation. Oh, and some of the Electron albums, the John Ross albums, after watching them. Or watching him, rather. Cool. Yeah, nothing crazy. Crazy will be mine. It gets a little out of hand. Oh, boy. All right, John. All right, from New Music Friday.

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My Take On It, Rip La Sire, Do Not Deviate, Still Spinning the Fen Winter album, Will Mention Metal and Romans and Elephants, so the XDO, I got that, start listening to it, love it, The Immortal Wars, and two non-metal albums, George mentioned this one last time, Richard Barbieri, the keyboardist from Porcupine Tree, released an album called Planets and Persona, if you like ambient music, what's that? Sorry, how is it, what's it like? Oh, it's just ambient electronic music is all it is. Good for sleeping too.

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Yeah, it's good. And then it would be wrong for me not to mention this. I don't know if George is getting included, but Devin Townsend released another acoustic album called Iceland and Spinning That. That's it. All right, Will. An album from this year that I am hooked on is Dope Lord Children of the Haze. I mentioned that last podcast. I'm really, really digging that one. An album that I've been hooked on for an entire year now, Eerie's self-titled album Eerie. And I am obsessing over the new obituary.

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Self-Title Album and Creator Gods of Violence. And of course, because Steve's on the podcast, I've been listening to a lot more Crip Serban lately than I usually do. And I usually listen to it a lot. So that's it. Okay. Jay gets settled here. And if you'll notice, he left while fucking Will was talking again. Yeah, you always believe when I'm talking. Hey, Will, it's your turn to leave. Actually, I feel bad because I actually always get good stuff to listen to from Will.

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actually listen to this fucking show all right dope lord eerie obituary creator crip servant there you go oh thanks actually okay well i'm not missing anything there so that's good um no no no anything you didn't know about yeah not at all how i meant that um mine is um sorry will i love you so much um paul bearer obituary i was glad you guys all kind of pushed me in that direction again i wasn't that i wasn't going to listen to it but i was in no hurry and i'm really digging

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that George brought up last week or last time we recorded. Ordos is still spinning with me. I actually literally spinning with me. I got the vinyl. Oh, by the way, the dope Lord is coming out on vinyl. Oh, and by the way, I got a ship order or a ship message on human. I think must be shipping now. Did anybody get it yet? Okay. You got it already? Yep. They're closer to you than I guess. Finally, John, I owe John a debt of gratitude on this one because I did not know this was on a vinyl and it's a side four.

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The John Arch solo album is side four of the Arch Matheos, which in all honesty I listened to a few times when it came out. I was obsessed with the John Arch record. Arch Matheos is brilliant. I'm listening to Arch Matheos over and over and over and over and over and that fucking thing is stuck in my vinyl. It's stuck in my turntable, my mp3 player everywhere I can listen to it. That should have been on my best of post 2015 albums or post 2000 albums when we did that list. What was the album again? Arch Matheos. What is it? Sympathetic Resonance. John Arch. John Matheos.

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I will say that

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it's not John Arch but no

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Oh right now dude yeah which is not John

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Arch but that's yeah that's a damn fine

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album yeah I love that record that was

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my whole list all right so it's to be

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sorry I'm in a fantasy hockey

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semi-final taking it down to the wire

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here I hope Brad Burns is still on your

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team because we're having trouble buddy

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losing my mind right now so having a two

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You and a half year old, you listen to a lot of children's songs in addition to the Trolls soundtrack. I like the setup so good. I've been spinning a lot, man. Like the wheels on the bus, man. It's all about the Frozen soundtrack. It's all about Trolls and Frozen. But Trolls has been her number one addiction right now. But something that was sent to us on Bandcamp, in addition to the Replica, whatever it is. I'm going with John's Replicaire. Replicaire. I've been hooked on that. A couple ones that were sent to us, the Venium.

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Yeah, I don't know how to say that one either. Fans, some of us aren't the smartest, okay? Come up with simple names, please. Crypto Sermon, great name, easy to say. Yes, yes. And also another one that was sent to me, Cryptic Void. That was like some grind there. That was some fast shit. Yep, yep, grind. Wasn't it Rick up in New Hampshire who sent that to you? Yeah. And you know what? I'm a little offended because he did not think I would like it, and I do. He only sent it to you. Oh, you're the soft one on the group, so.

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I don't know what to tell you. He got his number. Also, I forget, George, was it you with the dual? Yes. Oh, you were right, buddy. I told you, man. It's brilliant. It's awesome. It is. It's a home run. Yeah, I couldn't get behind that one. George knows me well. No, I love that album. All right. That's all I got. All right. Cue up the Dope Smoker album. I've got another one of my legendary big ass lists. Oh, God. Let me turn my bass pedals on.

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I will try to go through it as quickly as possible, but some of these bear. Sharpie your pencils, ladies and gentlemen. In alphabetical order. In alphabetical order. Just skip the synthway stuff. Just stick them out. I don't think I have any on here this time. Oh, well, well, no, I gotta, I'll get to it. First up is the band Ash and Cole and the new album. Starting with A, this is gonna be a long list. And it goes to W. Ash and Cole. It's a Swedish band. The album's called Legacy. It's not super

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I guess it could fall in the doom category somewhere

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their description is Ash and Cole represent the ominous darkness in music and man

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hard rock-ish like Nick Cave-ish I don't know what to say but it's pretty cool

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next up is a melodic death metal band from Austria called Ashes of Moon

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and I picked up their Melting Away EP and it's quite good

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the fuck are you laughing about Will?

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I'm laughing at John. John sits back like he's about to drift off to Never Never Land. People listen to this part just for me to put them to sleep, I'm sure. Yeah, it's like ambient music for some people. I'm muted my mic to laugh by myself, by the way. All right, fuck you guys. Are we on A yet? No, we're still on A. I bought the entire catalog from Author and Punisher. What? How do you listen to that, George?

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It's good stuff. No, it is not. It's interesting. That sounds like starting a CD and kicking it and punching it and hitting it on the baseball bat. I also picked up the Black Karma EP from Black Hole Generator because I liked their album they put out last year. I picked up Blizzard at Sea. We're up to B. Blizzard at Sea, Ruminations. They're a progressive sludge band from Iowa. Moving on to the lone representation from Sea, we have Crimson Throne.

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They're self-titled Black Ambient Band from the UK. This is one that Rick sent me. Thank you. The new Dread Sovereign album, which has hardly had any fanfare for Doom the Bell Tolls. That came out, and it's pretty good. The next one came courtesy of Jay Goath, Luciferian Goath Ritual, German Black Death. Add that to my list. God damn it. Another one that hasn't really had a lot of fanfare, the new King of Asgard, T-A-U-D-R, however you say that.

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Also pretty good. Thanks to my friend Josh. I've been listening to the entire catalog of the Canadian band Cobra and the Lotus. Sort of unleash the archers-ish. I picked up the new, okay, we're on L now, Will, just so you know, L. The new Lantern album, Morphosis. They're a black death band from Finland. And then moving on to Greece for the band Mahakala and their album The Second Fall. It's kind of a sludgy, doomy, clean vocals. I don't know. It's good.

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Then we go to Master Boot Record, which I have no idea what that album is called. I want to say copy and paste. It's a bunch of HTML code-ish kind of stuff. Italian 8-bit chip metal, and Buke actually thought he liked that one. It's like 8-bit, but there's guitars and drums and stuff too. It's cool. I also listened to the Me and the Man album Songs of Love and Death from Nerdle from Behemoth, and that was really awesome. The Moonloop albums we already talked about earlier, Devotion, and I also picked up the Deeply from the Earth,

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the previous album. Mothra, Decision Process, an experimental prog band from New Zealand. About damn time you listened to it. Yeah. Jumping from M all the way up to R, The Replacer, Do Not Deviate, thank you, Buke. Then Soul, S-O-L, their album Upheaval, they're a sludge doom from Portland, Oregon. Also very cool. Stargazer, Emerging to the Boundless, an Australian avant black death band. One that I think Buke and fucking everybody should listen to because this one really took me by storm. From Australia, the band called

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Valhalor and Voyage Into Eternity. It's an epic Viking folk band. It's kind of like Wilderun meets Amanomarth. Really good. I highly recommend that one. One that surprised me, a prog band from Oklahoma called Van Gogh, as in the painter Van Gogh, but all one word, and their album Warpaint, which surprised me being super prog metal with a little bit of harsh vocals once in a while. The one Buick mentioned, Vaninem, Trance of Death, a German death metal band courtesy of Rick. Also from Rick, White Death, a self-titled,

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black metal band also from finland there's a lot of finland today uh two more wormwood ghost lands wounds from a bleeding earth a swedish melodic black metal band hey john wake up ron w last one last one the band called wretched soul and their album the ghost road their uk thrash death band and that is it all right john is feeling refreshed flip over dope smoker and we shall continue will if you heard nothing else you you should check out

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that goath record g-o-a-t-h they're on band camp gonna have to start getting the cliff notes yeah well that's that's what uh that's what the franchise is for exactly mark is the cliff notes man okay all right moving on steve just has this look on his face like what did i just sign up for yeah it's almost over no no no you're fine i'm having a great time good good and we're glad you have you sir we are we are props because you're you're literally doing this whole thing by skype on your phone you've been holding

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your phone next to your face for a couple hours now. I have a charger. If I had a dollar for the hours I held up Farrah Fawcett's poster with one arm, I'll tell you. Heather Thomas. All right, let's move on to our personal recommendation album.

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to this album!

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Personal Recommendation

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Steve, do you have an album you can recommend for us?

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This year?

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It doesn't matter.

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No, anything at all. Something you think people should listen to.

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You know, just a record you love.

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I'll keep it. As far as this year, I think that the Abigore, Nightbringer, Die Dark Shade, and Mortis four-way split is awesome.

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I know I'm going to check that out now because I did not know about that.

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Yeah, no, it's awesome. It's all cohesive track.

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It's not just a split of separate songs. Everything's written to be together. It's a cohesive track. It's great. I would remind you. All right. John. Wake up, John. All right. Hey, are we on? Where are we? News items. All right. News items. I'll keep it short. I just saw Catatonia recently, so I'm going to go with an album from them. It's Last Fair Deal Gone Down. Nice. If you like their middle period, I think it's a great album to listen to. Okay. Will, what do you got?

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podcast ago,

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but forced entry uncertain future released in June,

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1989.

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This is straight up.

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Awesome.

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Thrash.

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I can't say enough about the sound.

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This was,

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this was,

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I loved it.

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They only had two albums.

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The next one as above,

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so below wasn't as great.

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And I had like a short little demo that I just learned about today.

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I cannot find anywhere,

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but forced entry uncertain future.

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If you like 1980s style,

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early nineties thrash,

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check it out.

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Cool.

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Cool.

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That was when Thrash was starting to get weird and interesting. Nice. I'm deviating a little bit. Then I'm going what I would call... Do not deviate. Don't deviate. Roots Metal. That sounds weird, but what I mean is this is one of the Godfathers. I picked this up on vinyl recently on a reissue and was reminded that it's one of the great hard rock albums of the 70s, Alice Cooper, Billion Dollar Babies. Hell yes. Everybody shit on that. All right. One of my favorite albums, Nevermore, Dead Heart in a Dead World. I wanted him to say.

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This Godless Endeavor is so bad, but he just won't do it. The River Dragon has come. I love that. I could talk about Politics and Ecstasy all day. That's a great record. Mine is one that I actually mentioned the last episode. It's the new album from Wolfheart. I mentioned it because I was contacted by Yanni from Perihelion Ship afterward. He offered his services in being able to pronounce Finnish album titles. Nice.

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He sent me a few clips. And once we have a translator service on board. Exactly. He has offered his, his finished translation services for us. And, uh, so he's going to pronounce this album properly as we did not. Um, so I've got a clip here. Let's see if I can cue that up. This is, we need to warrant George. Do we need to warn people to this? If you have epilepsy or something like that, you might not want to listen to this. If you're, if you have a morbid fear of consonants and a tendency to seizures. Yeah. All right. Let it rip. All right. Here it is. Wolf heart. And.

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And he also sent along a couple that we've been mentioning a lot recently. So here we have Moonsorrow, Jumalten Aika. Oh, nice. And Oranssi Pasusu, Värähtelija. So there you go. By the way, George, that was no help whatsoever, by the way. No, but that's brilliant. Like that, dude, Jani, cheers to you, man. That's awesome. Yeah. And it's funny because when we were doing the Wolfheart, I've had this,

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I was like two yous.

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George, you want to cue that up? That's all I'm saying. I think you have to learn some things with your tongue. What's that? It doesn't help me at all. I don't think my tongue does those things. No, I don't think so either. I think that's the problem. I'm too American, which is what it is. All right, let's move on to our vinyl or other purchases, if we may.

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Have you bought anything recently, Steve? Vinyl or otherwise? Yeah, I recently just got, I guess, the first vinyl edition of Apigor's Handling the Quintessence of Satan. Wow. But I get a few a week, but I got that. I reissue of the first Emperor EP. It's been pretty black metal on my end.

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But those have been my most recent versions. All right. John, what have you got? Only one thing, because I don't include all the CDs I get, but it's a book that came with the CD. Oops. Devin Townsend's autobiography. Other half there. And it has a CD in there called Iceland, which is an acoustic version of songs that he recorded when he was in Iceland. So, yeah, I don't know why it was there, but, and I just started reading it. Not that far into it. So, but it's already, I can tell it's going to be quite the journey. So. Have you listened to the CD? Was that good? Yeah.

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It's just him on acoustic guitar. Nice. Nothing else. Yeah, I picked up the book along with the CD as well, but I have not gotten into it yet. Yeah. If you're a Devin Townsend fanatic, it's definitely worth getting. If you're just a casual fan, then I wouldn't waste your time. You wouldn't get the intricacies of Devin's mind. Or the phone thing. Yes. Or the phone thing. I saw a picture of the pic today that says, don't use Jay's phone. I'm going to go ahead and say Jay Leno's not using his phone either. Yeah. All right. Will, what do you got? I have 12.

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I'll go through real quick. I'm going to surprise you. Black Tremor and Sweet Sea Witch did a split. It's a great instrumental funeral dune kind of stuff. I did pick up the Crypt Sermon demo. MMXII 2013. I did not even know it existed. So I picked that up on Bandcamp. And thank you. Thank you, Crypt Sermon, for sending me a thank you email. We talked about earlier the Cryptic Void.

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Into the Desert Temple, Bereft Lands. Really loving that one. That's great. I am so right before the festival magazine Heavy Metal and Beer Fest at Atlas. Metal Chris and I are hosting a mini Metal and Beer Fest at Atlas and we're having King Giant play along with Cavern from Frederick, Maryland and Lorde from Virginia. And so I picked up the Lorde Blacklisted and two Cavern albums, which I know John is a fan of.

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I picked up the woe hope attrition which is like pretty much a black metal album with hints of death which is pretty much how I like black metal with a little bit of death in it and then something that I actually knew about ahead of time but our listener Rick from New Hampshire suggested space slug which if anyone is a Star Wars fan they know space slug is the thing that the Millennium Falcon lands into when they're getting away from the

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The Executor Ship in Empire Strikes Back. They have an album called Lamanis from last year. And then this year they just came out in 2017. They came out with Time Traveler Dilemma. It's traditional Doom with a lot of soft vocals, almost like a Jim Morrison softer style vocals. It's really interesting. And then I got the Vokanis, old one, Ascending. It's basically Doom metal with some, not death vocals, but just aggressive vocals. So it's not traditional Doom. Got the Moon Loop, Devotion, which

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we talked about earlier i picked up virginia creep their self-titled ep which is um jr hayes who's a lead singer from pig destroyer it's their sort of punky doom grudge hardcore mix no genre applies sort of band wait what's that called virginia creep it's your self-titled ep it's on bandcamp you can pick it up and then uh george mentioned this last time cemetery piss order of the vulture oh yeah one of the things that was mentioned this time that i've i always kind of give quick listens to things but i've already downloaded the bereft and i'm thinking that's going to

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right up my alley too. Oh, it's great. It's a heads up. It's awesome. I usually get one from Will. Usually one per episode. John usually gives me something too. If you actually pay attention when I'm talking. Yeah. Come on, man. I don't have that much time. I know. It's hard. And today's two income families. Who has the time? Will. Hey, Steve, you're back. Yes. Did it hang up? It did. Yeah, sort of. But there you are. Your video's off too. Okay. There we are. There he is. All right. Welcome back. All right. I bought quite a few records on.

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like one trip to the record store and just kind of went crazy.

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I had a little extra money.

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Well, a few.

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Dead Can Dance.

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I was waiting for the later reissues, and I didn't know they were coming, but here they were all of a sudden.

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Eon and Serpent's Egg I got out.

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I got, and also, I love them, man.

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And the, what was the other, it was another one.

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Oh, Spirit, what is that one?

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Spirit Walker, what is it called, John?

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Spirit Chaser.

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Spirit Chaser, excuse me.

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That one's out, too, but I just didn't pick it up, so it's just a heads up there.

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I found a used copy of Manowar Fighting the World in blue vinyl. It just didn't have in vinyl, so I was glad to get it. I got Iron Maiden Somewhere in Time, which I didn't have in vinyl. Scorpions Blackout, I found a nice used reissue copy of that. I got this good stuff, right? Yeah, I'm buying your list. I got Stooges, Raw Power. I got Deep Purple Machine Head and Fireball, Fireball being my favorite Deep Purple album. I got Montrose, which was a gift from Buke. I appreciate that, buddy. And I got like a perfect 1973 copy of that somehow.

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They could have been huge, but I just think

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Ronnie was hard to work with or something.

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I don't know. I ordered the 180 gram reissues

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just because I'm kind of going through a little phase again of

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Kiss, Rock and Roll Over, Love Gun and Destroyer.

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I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.

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That's awesome.

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I think you really need to have, I mean, whatever, you can live without them, but first of all,

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I grew up on them. They were my first band, like when I was eight, which I'm willing to admit. You really need every record from a live one to a live two, which is a live one, rock and roll over, Love Gun, Destroyer, the whole thing. Those are great records, man. It's reassuring in a weird sort of way to hear other people love Kiss because like you, Jay, I grew up when I was five years old, the kids next door who were a little bit older than me were all into Kiss. I remember just loving Kiss. Lately, if I mentioned that I grew up and loved Kiss, people were like, what's wrong with you?

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But you know what? It's not unlike Metallica, Will. And what I mean is when Kiss was cool, Kiss was fucking cool, dude. Like in the 70s, if you were there in 76, 77, it was the cooking coolest thing in town. I'm sure people laughed at them in some corners of the world, but those are good records. And they're all, I know them all backwards and forwards. And finally, I picked up, as for me, recently mentioned, oh, I got the Alice Cooper. That's a beautiful reissue for those of you who like Alice Cooper. I don't know if they're doing a group of them, but the Billion Dollar Babies original packaging.

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And thanks to Buke, you got a PS4 and Horizon Zero Dawn. Horizon Zero Dawn rules, dude. Yep, Buke doesn't lead you astray. No, you did me solid, buddy. Okay, here we go, ladies and gentlemen. I had to buy some vinyl because my friend Jay is going to be staying a couple nights with me, so we have some late hockey and metal nights ahead of us. Nice Heaven and Hell as I drop it. Wasn't until you dropped it. Heaven and Hell, the devil you know, nice colored vinyl.

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Faint. I hate to admit that I bought this one, but I like it. Suicide Science. Silence. The Cleansing. Havoc. Conformicide. Nice. Nice. Nice. What's with the Havoc? Yeah, I knew that was coming. Can we talk about how the break in Bible Black on that Heaven and Hell album, when the song finally picks up, Breaks Heavy is one of the best. That's epic, dude. Jay and I had this talk about his never-

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Yeah, Jay and I had this talk a couple weeks ago when Jay first turned me on to this album. I don't think people realize how heavy these guys still had it when they got together and wrote this album. I don't mind, but I wish it had been called Black Sabbath. I mean, it should have been, but whatever. But Bible Black is a great fucking song, dude. You're right about that. To me, it makes sense. It is a Black Sabbath album. I mean, that particular song, though, especially when it finally breaks the heavier sections, it's timeless.

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No, they nailed it, dude. I mean, it is

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Alastalone. That's the classic

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fucking D.O. intro, and then it just

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fucking takes off like a house on fire, dude.

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So good. Yeah. Did you have a chance to go see

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them when they were touring? I never did.

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I never got a chance.

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It's the number one show of all time.

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I saw them two or three times.

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A couple more. The album we've been

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talking about, Reciproic something.

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Do Not Deviate.

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Do Not Deviate. It's sold out now, but it's a nice

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clear vinyl. And I got this at my local

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record store downtown yesterday on Friday.

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Let's see the gatefold. It's got to have some tits or something in it. Okay. A midget with two girls. John is just like, man, how did I let that one slip by me? I like that. It's just a midget with two girls. Like, that's it. Nothing too unusual. All right. I've only got two. I finally got my pre-ordered copy of the Slugged album, Dim and Slime-Ridden Kingdoms. And it's technically not releasing until next week. But I received my,

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A box set of Death's Human, which comes with a nice slip mat and these heavy-duty magnets of each of the album covers from Death, as well as a nice little poster. I didn't know about the magnets. Yeah, and the bone with blue and blood-splattered vinyl. Really nice. Dude, shut up. Can't you see I feel bad? What the fuck? Hey, George, did you see there was a slugged some new thing on iTunes? It was a compilation. Yeah, but I was going to

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If people are interested in getting into that band, it's the perfect entry. And I want to say it was a fairly reasonable price. And it's a compilation of all the slugged stuff. Stuff from different albums. So yeah, it's a band that people really need to check out. I mean, yeah, they're good. Good for you. I should probably. Do you have any of the other vinyl or is that the only one you have? That's the only one they have on vinyl. That's the only one. Okay. Yeah. All right. How about a deep track?

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It's a song that you never fucking loved me

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That was my deep track from last week. I think the Sea of Madness is an underrated Iron Maiden track. And I'll say the same thing I said last week is me personally, I don't see that as a deep track. I said the same thing to Jay because I personally love that song. So it may be a deep track to other people, but I love the album and I love that song. Yeah, no, it's totally true there. Like every time it comes on, I'm like, man, why isn't this like a, you know, it's one of those things just like this isn't like a maiden staple. They have so many great songs, it's hard to choose from. But I think Sea of Madness, one of the

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one that gets overlooked.

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You know what, it reminds me, I would put it in the same, it may be a little bit better than this song, but A, it's just a killer fucking riff. And then I like that breakdown in the middle where they kind of, the sun don't shine, you know, does the whole thing and then it comes back up. But then, you know, a song that it reminds me of just for also kind of weird, not your normal maiden riff is Back in the Village off of Power Slave. It's like this weird little one nobody ever mentions, but it's just fucking brilliant, you know. But Sea of Madness, that riff,

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That's a riff for days right there. How do you guys feel about Wasted Years? I like it. Oh my man. I love that song. I love that song. I think sonically it's just a very catchy song. I think the lyrics are cool. It's just all around awesome. I love Alexander the Great and that never gets any love. I like Loneliness Long Distance Runner. Nobody likes that fucking song. I like that song. Steve and I get in an apartment together. Share our record collection. It'll be fine. All right. That was Steve.

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Okay, from November's Doom off of their The Knowing album, a song called Shadows of Light. Probably my favorite November's Doom album back in 2000. Excellent. Will? My Deep Track, going all the way back to 1990, Violent Superfuge off Oppressing the Masses album. Song Superfuge, I think it's track three or four. I mean, there's not a clunker on that whole album, but this is one of the ones that's not World in the World or some of the other more popular ones that came out back then.

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If you were a listener, you were even alive back then. But love that album. Anyway, that's all. I won't say anything more about that. That's all I got to say. That's all I have to say about that. Mine is arguably not a deep track, but I'm choosing it from a record in which it is a deep track, as weird as that sounds. And what I mean is the original version, everybody would think it was brilliant. Why are you choosing that song? And I bet you, Steve, I got Steve on this one too. From Live Evil, Black Sabbath, the live version of Children of the Sea is one of the great,

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moments in Ronnie James Dio history. Up to and including the last great Oh They Say It's Over, which is towards the end of the song. But if you don't know that version of that song, you need to have that version of that song. I gotta tell you, Jay, it was pretty awesome seeing that on tour, too. Yeah, fuck you, John. How many times I gotta say fuck you? Dude, where did you see him? Was it out there by you? I saw it at the Cow Palace. Oh, you saw it at the Cow fucking Palace? No doubt, dude. Yeah, 1982 at the Cow Palace. And it was, so was the Mob Roles tour you were at? Yeah, it was unbelievable. You remember who opened? And that's just a

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I don't know what I am no because all those bands back then because there's only just a single opener usually in those shows yeah they all kind of meld together I can't remember anybody yeah yeah could have been crocus for all I know I don't know let's just say it was let's just say it was crocus and leave it at that yeah I'm not lying they actually did open one of the shows I went to I just can't remember who they opened for so it was crocus there you go puke deep track off of imaginations from the other side by blind guardian they're

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Second Track I'm Alive. Yeah, good choice. Surprisingly, they don't play it more. I did some research on this. They've only played it like recorded like 30 times live, which was pretty surprising to me. Yeah, John and I saw it. Yeah, it's one of the name of one of the better Halloween songs from I think Keeper of the Seven Keys Part 2. I'm alive. Well, when you and John saw it, that was the record they were doing. But they did the whole album. They did the whole album. They did the whole tour, yeah. I thought of the Halloween song myself. That song's awesome. Yeah. I'm not familiar with the Flying Guardian. Do you like power metal at all, Steve? I mean,

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That's a no. That's a no. Silence is telling. I like heavy metal. I mean, I definitely like some power metal stuff, but not heavily. As far as the hero, thinnish, refined power metal. And yet, you mentioned Halloween. I love that. That's a hard no right there. We got you. Nailed it. Steve's face was just about, I'm about to tell you you'll be dead in two weeks. It was a little bit more like, how do I not break

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My number one, like Will, goes back to 1990, but it is decidedly less heavy. In fact, it isn't really metal. It's more of a hard rock kind of thing. But I was listening to this song again the other day, and I hadn't heard it in years. So I felt it qualified. And the band is called Warrior Soul. The album is their first last decade dead century, and the song is The Losers. Anybody know that song? Honestly, no. Not here. I know Warrior Soul. I don't know the song. Okay.

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It's pretty deep then. All right. Before we go, I wanted to mention I had a conversation with one of our listeners, and he was inquiring about Metalhead's t-shirts. We did a small run for Death Fest last year, but it hasn't been financially viable to do t-shirts because... Is it your mom, George? Is that what you're talking about? No. Okay, just checking. Honey, why don't you put out t-shirts for that little podcast of yours?

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Yeah.

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You know, we could do something like, what the hell is that thing? Teespring, I think.

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But we did try that once. We couldn't fund it. And honestly, I don't know the quality of their work.

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I use custom ink to do our t-shirts. They do quality work. They use Gildan t-shirts. It's good stuff.

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But it's not, we can't do like a, you know, order it as people want it basis.

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So I wanted to put it out there. If you're a listener and you would like a t-shirt,

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Please email me at george at metalheadspodcast.com or Twitter or whatever and let me know that you're interested. If we can get enough interest, then maybe we will throw together some cash and get some shirts in the sizes that people want and make it happen. So, all right. And before we go, make sure to check out Crypt Sermon. You can pick them up on Bandcamp, iTunes, probably any reputable music place that's going to have it. Decibel Magazine. Decibel Magazine. If you want the full collection, you're going to have to get Decibel. Yep. That's what I did. That's how

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I am, Steve. Fucking subscribe to get it. So there you go. You can also check us out on SoundCloud, on Facebook. We're on Twitter, Instagram, Stitcher, and WeAreMetalHeads.com. You want to know what we're listening to, look us up on Bandcamp. I am MetalHeadsGeorge on Bandcamp. All right, here we are at the end of another episode. Thank you, Steve, for joining us. It's been good. Hopefully we can meet up with you at the Decibel Fest and have a beer or three. Yeah, thanks for having me. It was a good time.

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It was a real pleasure, buddy. We love it. We love it when somebody will stick around with us and talk metal with us. We love talking about your band, but we also want to know what you think of other bands. So it's just really awesome when people stick around. Yeah, I had fun. It was a great time. Excellent. Thank you. All right, we will talk to you next time.

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It's the night, the night goes with me. Why are you still listening? The show is on!