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Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, metal's my religion, and yeah, it's my dope. Standing in the thunder on stage in the pouring metal rain. What a feeling, baby, the lights are exploding.

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Hello and welcome to the Metalheads Podcast. My name is George.

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This is Jay.

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That was a pretty epic fucking hello this is Buke, wasn't it?

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That was.

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That was a dramatic pause on my end.

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That was fucking good.

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Pause on your end, and George, you look a little tired.

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Why are you so tired?

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I'm pretty beat.

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I mean, not like exhausted, but just sleepy because I didn' get a lot of sleep last night.

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Yesterday was a very long day for me.

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I got up in The Morning and threw on some clothes, went to the gym.

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Went from the gym to Buke's house, and from there,

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We went down to Baltimore to Soundgarden to do some vinyl shopping. Listen to him. He's even talking slow. He's just kind of got this whole like... He sounds like a DJ on an R&B station. And so then after we... And if any of our listeners go up to Baltimore to Soundgarden, be sure to stop in the Cowboy Bar. And the horse they rode in on. Yeah. A couple doors down. The hottest bartender I've ever seen in my life.

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Just stop in there. It's worth the trip. So anyway, yeah. So yada, yada, yada, George and the bartender. George is tired the next day. Actually, so, you know, we went to Soundgarden, then we went and got some food. And somewhere in there, our friend Will got a hold of me and was like, hey, Bukes not going to the Slayer show with me tonight. You want to go? And so I was like, well, let me check. And, you know, I got home at about four o'clock in the afternoon.

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And I asked my wife, I was like, hey, what do you think about this? And she's like, yeah, go for it. So then by five o'clock, I was out the door again, headed down to Silver Spring to go to the Fillmore to meet Will. I thought the quote was, she was like, yeah, get the fuck out of here. Yeah, yeah, get out of here. Don't come back. But you know, I did. And so I drove down there to meet him. And I got there first. We're supposed to meet at 630. I got there about 10 after because, yeah, I'm always early. And so I parked in the garage and I was like, I might as well go hop in the line.

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But of course I don't have any tickets so I'm just a placeholder. And it's about a block and three quarters from the door. There's quite a few people there already. So I get in line. I put my hood up and zip up my hoodie and I'm like freezing and waiting. And for the first time in the history of concerts the fucking doors opened on time. Sweet. Or not. Or not. As the case was. Because at like 625 Will is like yeah I'm about 15 minutes away. I'm like alright well.

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That ought to work

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because, you know, it's a 630 door

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and nobody ever opens on time.

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Should be just fine.

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Well, the line starts moving

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and he's not there yet.

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So I go with the line

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and I get up to the corner

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where you're about to go in.

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No will.

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So I step out of line

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and I move all the way

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to the back of the line.

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And people don't know you

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like I know you.

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You are...

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I don't want to...

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No, no.

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I don't want to use the word

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nervous Nelly

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but when things don't go

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like right on script

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George quietly you can see he's starting to get a little uncomfortable so I can imagine your eyes were probably like that cat clock actually I wasn't really all I was just like whatever if he's not here I'll just get out of line and go to the back but then the funny thing is the line is even longer now and it's actually a full two blocks long and so I walked back to the very end of the line and I'm even further back than I was before and I'm like all right and I just sent him a text I'm like hey you know got out of line I'm in the back

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I'm back of the line now if you're looking for me. But now the line is moving so it's actually getting along quite quickly. So I got almost up to the corner again before and I'm like, God damn it, I'm going to have to go to the end of the line again. And then Will calls and he's like, hey, I'm here. And he was just like 20 feet away. So we managed to get into the show. And as we were passing by the Will call, we saw DC Metal Chris out front and his girlfriend.

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So we said hi to them

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And we went in the show

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And it was, you know, by this point pretty damn packed

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We walked around, as usual

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Will knows everybody there

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So we had to stop and say hello to a bunch of people

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The cool thing about this was that

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You know, Mark

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The guy that does the Spotify playlist guy

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Was coming to the show

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And so we met up with him

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Did you just give him a big hug and say thank you?

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Thank you, thank you

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I should have

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Yes.

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But it was more, you know me, I'm a little more formal. I'm like, how do you do? Shake your hand.

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But it was really cool meeting him.

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And I mentioned, after the show, the three of us did a post-mortem on the show, and we'll get to that in a few minutes.

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I'm going to repeat some of the stories here just because I can.

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Well, first of all, Carcass was awesome.

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They were the opening band.

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Like how everything was in white.

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Yes, yes.

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The Backdrop was basically the cover for Surgical Steel. And that's the whole reason I'm going to see this tour, too, by the way, because I've never seen them. And I know you hadn't seen them until last night. Yeah, and they sounded great. I was really impressed. Your video snippets, by the way, tell the tale of a pretty mixed sound in the show. You can tell what's going on. Yeah, yeah. In all of the snippets. Yeah. So Carcass was great. I feel like, and Will said the same thing, I feel like they played a slightly longer

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I was just fine with me by the way yeah I've seen Testament enough times give me more carcass and we were also talking about how you know it's carcass could easily be a headlining band all by themselves and perhaps sometimes they are but I guess if you're going to play with Testament and Slayer you got to take the third rung because you know yeah you may be big and awesome but they're even more bigger and more awesome so while carcass was playing I was kind of like looking at Jeff Walker and I'm like hmm

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Okay, he's British. He's playing bass. And he's getting a little older. He's kind of starting to look like Lemmy. And so then I came up with the conspiracy theory. And you heard it here first. I believe that Jeff Walker is a lost Lemmy love child. So spread this rumor around. Let's see what we can do with that. You know, if he starts, all he's got to do is like put his mic up higher. And we're there. And sing back. And I'm like, you know, put a mole on his face. Or, yeah, it would be.

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He could be Lemmy. I mean, granted, I wasn't up close and personal on him. He probably looks nothing like Lemmy. But from the distance that I was viewing him, I was like, eh, he's kind of squint a little, looks like Lemmy. George, can I ask, how were they on stage? Because the Hellfest and the Valken performances I've seen on them, they play their brutal grind. But they seem like they're just proper. They're just standing there. I don't know. I mean, well, the drummer,

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Will also mentioned that the drummer seemed kind of boring. He was just sort of like, just kind of doop-doop, playing the drums. Did they start out with the first tracks from Surgical Steel? I don't remember which one it was. It was something from Surgical Steel. I think it was Unfit for Human Consumption, maybe. I don't remember. But Bill Steer was moving around quite a bit, and Jeff Walker somewhat. I liked because there must have been a fan down there,

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So when he's up on the microphone and his long hair is blowing up behind him. That's kind of cool. Remember when we saw Obscura, the singer for Obscura used to have really long hair. And when we saw him at Jack's, his hair was kind of flowing out behind him, which in a way is kind of like fashion model lame. Sure. But at the same time, it's kind of cool because it's just like long hair flowing out. Yeah. It's completely fucking metal at the same time. Exactly.

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Standing at the top of the mountain with the wind in your hair. Yep. So then Testament came on and it was right before right between the sets is when we met up with Mark and you know chatted with him for a bit and Testament came on. They played you know I mean it's Testament you know what you're getting it was a great set. Did they play DOA? I don't think what did they you mean DNR? Yes I'm sorry DNR. Yeah I think they opened with DNR. Yes. Yes.

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They didn't play New Order. I had looked up on Setlist their last couple shows, and the day before they had actually done a side headlining gig because they played a lot more songs. I think they only did maybe seven or eight songs on this. They did Practice What You Preach, Into the Pit. I've never heard those songs before. Maybe they're... Formation of Damnation, stuff like that. I love Chuck Billy. Chuck Billy's just a badass. Yeah, he's a cool dude.

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Yeah. And so, you know, I loved it. It was great. But then there was Slayer. And, you know, I've seen them a couple times before. Never without Jeff Hanneman. But, you know, I thought about it as they were coming on. I'm like, wow, you know, let's check out this Holt fella. And, you know, I mean, obviously I've been a Gary Holt fan for decades already, but not in the context of Slayer. And he's the live wire dude, by the way, you know? He was pretty awesome. There's a fucking motion up there.

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Yeah, within a couple of songs, it was out of my mind. It was Slayer. They really brought it. And they played for like an hour and 45 minutes. They played a million fucking songs. So much good stuff. I mean, the surprise for me of the evening was that they played Chemical Warfare. And I don't think I've ever heard that played before live. And they did all the good stuff. I mean, they did Postmortem. They did Dead Skin Mask. War Ensemble.

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They did War Ensemble. War Ensemble and Postmortem were the two songs that the crowd just fucking lost their mind. Mandatory Suicide? They did Mandatory Suicide, Born of Fire. They closed with Angel of Death. They also did Raining Blood. What else? All the hits. Yeah. A couple songs they play, Take Control. Bloodletting or what's the blood one? Do they do the vampire thing? What's that fucking song called? I think it's called Bloodletting. Do they do that? No.

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But it was a great set. It was very energetic. Does Tom still have his beard? Yes. Again, this is probably going to be repeated in the stuff that we recorded afterwards, but Tom's beard last holiday season, we were like, hey, it's like Santa Tom. Now that it's not the holidays, he just looks like Father Metal. He's like the god, the patron saint of metal.

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He's just such a badass. Between songs, sometimes there'd be a pause, and he'd just sit there at the microphone and just look at you. He'd just look over here and look over there. He didn't say anything. People are just like, wow, it's Tom. I think of Tom Array as a bit of an iconic figure. To be sure. Even more than Carrie King and stuff, Tom's just a cool-looking motherfucker and always has been. He's big, and he's kind of like he should get

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the NHL Hockey Iron Man Award. I mean, Tom is always just there. You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, other than when he had this back surgery a while back, Tom still sounds like Tom, still plays like Tom. He can't really headbang anymore, but whatever. It's just something about that guy. Yeah. So it was a killer set. You know, at the Fillmore, in the past, we saw Anthrax there. And, you know, when they'd go into the war dance and things like that, the whole floor would just lose their mind like moshing. And so I expected nothing.

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Less Than That For Slayer, because Slayer's pits are legendary. At least they were until last night. Like I said, there were a couple songs, Postmortem, War Ensemble, and of course The Clothes Are Rain, Angel of Death, that people got pretty wild with. But never did I feel like the whole floor was one big pit. That's weird, dude. It kind of was. I mean, like Will was saying afterwards, it's because there

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All Old People.

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I suppose. But yeah, there was a healthy amount of older folk there. But there were a lot of younger people too. And so I'm not really sure what that was all about. But it was really awesome. Somewhere during the set, you know, people are crowd surfing and stuff. And then the dude in the wheelchair was crowd surfing. There you go. They picked him up and passed him to the front. I was like, that's badass. So anyway, we'll talk all about that in the Slayer post-mortem. Why don't we get into that now?

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My name is George and I'm here with Will. This is Buke. This is not Buke. This is Mark. Spotify playlist Mark. That's right. I guess Will's met you before. Yeah I drink at his brewery. That's right. But I have not so it is a pleasure to meet you sir. Myself and hi this is John met Mark a couple weeks ago at during the Curious Cure.

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at the Fairwinds Brewing Company. So we met him once. Right on. So I gotta ask you, how did you first hear about us? I followed Brew Metal Will because I was a big fan of Port City Brewing Company. So I said, hey, there's a guy brewing beer and playing metal. So I followed him on Twitter and then he said, tweeted, hey, I'm on the year-end episode of the Metalheads podcast 2014. I said, I should probably listen to that. And then here we are. Right on. So as usual, Will is the one bringing us all the traffic.

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The three of us are doing dick-all to bring in people to listen. Well, thank you, Will. You're not doing dick-all, you're doing cougar bush-all. That's right. We're here with the cougar bush. Cougar bush can't introduce itself, but it says hello. So we just got out of the Slayer Testament Carcass show. What are your guys' thoughts on that? It was fucking awesome. It was a little late for Carcass. I'll only play one song, but I think Testament and Slayer were definitely on point. They were awesome.

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I've been a big Carcass fan since Heartwork back in the 90s or whatever that came out. I wish they would have played longer. I was a little disappointed. Testament played a very short set, I felt like. But they played some great songs. There's a few songs I wish they would have played, like New Order or Trial by Fire from the New Order album. And Slayer played a very long set, which is great. My only issue overall the entire night is

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The Sound Was A Little Muted. It was like a lot of kick drum. You couldn't hear a lot of the highs of the guitars and stuff like that. But after a while, because myself and the franchise were here in the pit for the most of the time, well, actually the entire time during Slayers. So at that point, it kind of doesn't matter. Yeah, I'm fucking deaf. I can't hear the highs and the lows anyway. I just hear the middle like a fucking telephone. But yeah, I noticed that Testament actually played a show yesterday.

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I believe it was and it must have been like one of those like off to the side shows where they headlined because they played a lot more songs they played New Order and some other songs and yeah but today's set list was definitely shorter I feel like Carcass played more songs than Testament did yeah yeah Testament's set was extremely short it was like almost in a twilight zone because obviously Testament's a huge band and what's great is any one of those bands could have headlined and what's interesting I always find this like a little interesting thing is like if Carcass had

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tonight, people have been losing their minds for Carcass. If Testament headline tonight, people lose their mind for Testament. Obviously, tonight was Slayer's night to headline. So it's almost like no matter who, whoever the headliner is, that's who people lose their mind for. If Slayer was like the middle act, people would have been like, yeah, it's Slayer. And then people would have lost their minds for Testament. So it's almost like a psychological thing. But all three bands were phenomenal tonight.

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Yeah, when Carcass was playing, I kept thinking to myself, why the hell are they third on the bill? You know, Carcass could definitely headline a tour, and you know, everybody was cheering and clapping, and I was like, they could totally headline, and it just seemed kind of wrong, but then, you know, compared to the fact that they were opening for Testament and Slayer, and last time I saw Testament, they were the headliners here with Anthrax underneath them, and I actually think the, I swear,

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and it was Anthrax with Testament opening. So who the fuck knows how that works? It may have been one of those times where they co-headline. So depending upon each night, they alternate nights closing or headlining, I should say. So yeah, I think I saw the exact same tour and Anthrax was the headliner here at the Fillmore, I think. So here we are, Fillmore Silver Springs. It's March 5th. Jay's birthday. Happy birthday, Jay. Happy birthday, Jay.

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Jay, you old fuck. Slightly older than me, fuck. Two years older than me, fuck. Yeah, so I thought it was a great show. This was my third time seeing Slayer, and I was telling Mark... Wait, seriously, only your third time ever? Yeah, isn't that fucking weird? I was surprised by that, too. Yeah, that's a little weird. Yeah, I saw them in 94 on the... I think it was 94. The Divine Intervention Tour was the first time I saw them, and that was fucking just...

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I want to say hysterical, but that's not quite. It was fucking crazy. And that was one of the things I took away from today was that the floor was not as crazy as I was expecting it to be. I was telling Mark, I'm like, oh, shit's going to be fucking crazy. Because when we saw Anthrax here, the whole fucking floor, like when they did the war dance, the whole floor was just a writhing pit of people. I'll tell you why it wasn't as crazy. Because two of the guys are in the floor the entire time.

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We're old dudes. I'm married with two kids. He's married with two kids plus a newborn. So three. All right. So you got all these old guys in the pit. Right. But we were in there. Where were you, George? Where were you? Okay. So old dudes with kids in the pit. Where was George? No, I'm the first to admit I don't do the pit anymore. I am old. But it was funny because as soon as Slayer started playing, the three of us are standing there.

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I'm sitting there and I'm like, okay, yeah, Slayer's on. And all of a sudden I get this sort of like a bump to the back of my shoulder. And there goes Mark. He's hopping in the pit. And I'm talking to Will. I'm like, oh, there he goes. God damn it. I was just telling him what a pussy I am that I don't go in the pit anymore. Mark was definitely in the pit before me. And I was like, well, if he's going, I got to go. Yeah. So then the first song they opened with was... Repentless. Repentless. Yeah. I lost it there. And then the second song they played was Postmortem. And as soon as that hit, you were fucking gone.

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And at the same time, I was just sort of like shoved to the side. I'm only about like 10 feet to the right. But yeah, I was like, that's a good place to be because I'm old. I needed to rest, man. You go in, you mix it up, and then you rest. Whereas I feel like, you know, 25 years ago, the hallmark of those shows, there was no rest. No resting in the pit. So I took a couple of breaks, but I'm not ashamed of that. Yeah, you know, on the Divine Intervention Tour when I saw them, it was fucking nuts. It was the craziest thing I'd ever seen.

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And back then, Slayer shows were like, you know, known for being fucking dangerous, you know, flip cars over, start them on fire, that kind of shit. And I remember I went to the show with my friend Noble and my friend Sammy, and my friend Sammy is a girl. And Noble and I went in the pit, and at the end of the set, we came out, and Sammy was sitting there at the back of the hall, and she was crying. And we were like, why are you crying? And she's like, I thought you guys were gonna die!

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So, you know, maybe it's... Wait, was that your reaction? Did you think that Mark and I were going to die? Were you crying right there? No, no. Is that why you were telling the story? Maybe it's nostalgia, but honestly, I think the Slayer Pits were a little crazier back in the day. And get off my goddamn lawn, you kids! Yeah. Well, I think it was Rain and Blood, but there was a moment towards the end where they went right into something. That was the moment where it was the fiercest of all night.

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It was the biggest and fierce. Somewhere towards the end. They started playing South of Heaven. They played a lot of songs like that You Against You song. Take Control. There's a few songs that are like, okay, not the greatest song. I know you want to play some new stuff. That's the song everyone takes a break for. Then they rip into South of Heaven. Everyone loses their mind again. From my vantage point back in the pussy section,

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songs that really got people going were post-mortem, which people just lost their shit, and War Ensemble. Oh yeah, definitely War Ensemble. And then of course the closing song Angel of Death, sorry. Yeah, and it's interesting because for years they closed with Rain and Blood, and tonight they closed with Angel of Death, so it was a nice reprieve back to the old days. Yeah, DC Metal Chris is here too, well not with us, but he was here at the show, and I commented to him after

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of the set that, you know, right before they played Dead Skin Mask, Tom's like, we're going to leave you with a love song. And I'm like, no, you're not. You haven't played Angel of Death yet, motherfucker. Well, I thought they were going to play Necrophiliac. That's usually what he starts talking about. When Tom Araya, the lead singer, he starts talking about love song. It's usually it's post-mortem or what's the other song? Not Interceptor, drawn a blank.

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I think it's on a

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draw on a blank. It's a song about

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having sex with a woman.

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Sex murder?

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No, no, no, no, no.

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Captor of Sin.

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Okay. So what you're saying is

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Slayer's got a lot of songs about

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fucking things that may or may not be alive.

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Yes.

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Now they do.

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Yes, they do.

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Willing, not willing, dead, alive.

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They don't really distinguish between those things.

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I would like to comment on Tom Araya's leather pants. Leather pants I did not think were metal, but those were pretty metal. They went well with his new man boobs, which he sweated in and around and under tonight. You know, that beard that he's rocking now, back at Christmas time, we were like, oh, Santa Claus. Now I think of him as father metal, because he's just, that fucking beard and that hair, and it's just Tom, it's still pretty badass. It was my first time seeing him. He definitely has a stage presence, and it kind of

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It's a little understated. It's definitely cool. He's definitely not yelling or screaming when he's talking to the crowd. It's very controlled like he is. He's Father Tom. It's almost like he's a priest. He's like, hello, how are you guys doing? Are you guys doing okay? A couple times the song went out and he'd just stand there. He'd just sit there and look at it. People next to me were commenting. They're like, he's so fucking badass.

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He doesn't even need to say anything. He just sits there and looks at us and we're like, yeah! The lights are on him and people are losing their minds. Yeah. And, you know, at the beginning of the set, I definitely noticed a large, gaping Jeff Hanneman-sized hole. But I gotta say, Gary Holt fucking tore that shit up and it didn't bother me at all. I mean, it bothered me that Jeff's not with us. But he, you know, Slayer still fucking kicked some serious ass, that's to be sure.

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Yeah, I mean, I guess the first time I saw Slayer with Gary on guitar, I was skeptical. And I think the first time I saw him, it was definitely not as good as if Jeff was there. But I have to say in the last couple of years that Jeff was still alive and playing with them. You know, he didn't really have his A game. But the last three times I saw Slayer when Gary was on, so I've seen it, I think, four times since Gary's been on, the last three times it's been his A game.

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I hate to say this because I love Jeff Hanneman but it's almost like you don't miss him because Gary is a phenomenal guitarist so he fills in well. Yeah and I'm surprised you didn't point out the fact that I'm such a pussy that I'm in the back when the guy in the fucking wheelchair is crowd surfing to the front of the fucking show. I mean I saw that and I was like holy shit the fucking wheelchair guy.

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is crowd surfing.

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And I was like, you don't see that every day.

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But I actually don't think it's the first time I've seen it.

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I swear I've seen this before.

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I've definitely seen wheelchair guys crowd surfing at the Fillmore many times.

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I didn't actually see it tonight because I was actually busy in the pit.

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So I didn't see it from the back.

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And did you see it, Mark?

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I did.

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He was right next to me.

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I think he rolled over my foot.

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Well, and then apparently he lost his shoe because as we were leaving,

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You saw somebody putting his shoe back on him. There was literally a guy for like 10 minutes holding these black vans or whatever shoe up for 10 minutes and then as we're walking out after we all go to the bathroom and it's like, oh, it's the guy in the wheelchair lost his shoe. Makes sense. He's the guy who can't go get it. The guy who can't go get it, the guy who actually doesn't really need it, it's his shoe. Oh, yeah. So I don't know. We got anything else?

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We should do this more often. Definitely. And as I was telling Mark, he needs to come up and sit in on one of the upcoming podcasts. I want to mention that Mark is wearing a Blackfast t-shirt tonight. And I love that band. I think we all like that band. Yeah, I think Buke just went half-mast. But a weird story is Battlecross came to my brewery, Fairwinds, and then

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I was, they said like, hey, Will, play some music. And so this is like the third time they've come to a brewery that I worked at. And I started playing Blackfast. And one of the guys, and I told this story before in the podcast, but I mean, one of the guys who was like a guitar tech for Battlecross, like, yeah, you're playing Blackfast. Like, I know those guys. And literally, he like started texting them. And next thing you know, a Blackfast, like sticker and shirt shows up at my door. So it was a love Blackfast. Thank you guys.

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if you're having to be listening. I bought this t-shirt the day after Thanksgiving and I'm probably they're probably not the only one but it was their Black Friday sale and so I bought a t-shirt and a CD on Black Friday from Black Fast. Black Fast Black Friday right on. So metal cross promotion on Black Friday. Were you fasting after? I didn't take it that literally. George has been fasting he's quite svelte these days. Yeah yeah I'm trying I'm in training for Maryland Death Fest literally.

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I mean, okay. I mean, my wife was like, fucking fat bitch, get skinny. But, but, you know, the way I'm justifying it in my mind is I am in training for death vest because last year my fat ass was hurting after two days standing in the sun in the fucking heat. And I'm doing three days this year. You were hurting after like 30 minutes at barbecue. Yeah. I was hurting afterwards, but you were hurting. Yeah. So, yeah. So I'm in training to try and, you know,

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be in a little better shape for Death Fest this year. One of the closing things I have to say about tonight is when you have such a big, three big bands, Carcass Testament and Slayer playing at a big show in the D.C. area, I felt like every three seconds I walked around I saw somebody I knew. Whether it was Metal Chris and his girlfriend Catherine or Sean Henry who listens to the podcast.

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I see him at every show. Ariel Lopez was there. Chris and Chrysia. So Chris is like literally the head caregiver where my kids go to school. And Chrysia. And who else did we see? Dorothy Morgan was there. And Jason Wagner was there. Like all these people who I hope listen to the podcast. I'm like name dropping. But it's all these people that we're all friends with that were like everyone. Oh, and Dan. Dan Siegel.

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from Adroit Theory and Other Brewer. Walking out, we saw Blake Harrison from... This is where I play the Oscar music. Yeah. No, but we saw Blake Harrison from Hatebeak and Pig Destroyer and Richard from Drugs of Faith. It's like one of those things, you just see everybody. When it's a big show like this, everyone comes out, you just see tons of people, you know. And now you can start playing the music. Yeah. Well, this is why most of our listeners actually come to us,

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Will talks to like 50 different people. We were at barbecue. You knew everybody there. And I'm like, I'm Mr. Anti-Social. I don't know shit, you know. I just tag along for the ride and, you know, hold the microphone. It helps when you brew beer and people like to drink beer. You become slightly popular. So that was my mistake. I just do a stupid podcast that nobody gives a shit about. Next time I'll make beer. Yes, make beer. Alright, anything else? Any closing remarks?

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Mark Slayer Mark? Pleased to meet you guys. See you again. Thanks for having me. I love the show. It's cool to meet you guys. I don't know. Go to church tomorrow. I'm going to go to church tomorrow, I think, after that. You kind of have to after Slayer, don't you? I loved when the curtain was down before Slayer came on. It was like a white curtain with red crosses on it. I'm sitting there and I just talked. Whoever was standing in front of me, they're going to turn upside down. This cross is going to turn upside down. They were white crosses.

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and then they turned red and turned upside down. Yes, yes, that's it. And they turned upside down. I'm like, okay, this is going to be awesome. So I will not be going to church tomorrow. Don't want to burst into flames. No, no. But, you know, have fun with that, Mark. Yeah, tell them we'd be there if we could. All right. Well, unless there's anything else, we will sign off for this time and we'll talk soon and we'll definitely get Mark to come up and sit in with us. Hopefully,

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sometime in the next month. Yeah, yeah. Say the word and I'll be there. Maybe Will gets to come along sometime too. Yeah, maybe. I'll come too. And John, my name is John. Hi. My name is John. My name is John. Hi, John. How are you? All right. Oh, by the way, I did see John earlier today. He came to the one-year anniversary party at Fairwinds, so I did see John today. But he is completely doped up on antibiotics because he's got a drippy nose, so he didn't make it out tonight. John, a man whose appearance and voice and attitude do not match.

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I've ever met. But I appreciated that about him. I was like, oh, you're John. I did not. You look nothing like I expected you to look like. What did you think he looked like? Shorter? Less hair, maybe? Shorter hair? I don't know. John is a very tall man. He's literally like, he's a little taller than me, a little shorter. By the way, Mark is like 6'7". I'm like 6'1". He's like 6'7". John's probably like 6'3". Yeah, that's true. You are tall as well.

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Are you like 6'5"? 6'5"? Okay. Wow. Yeah, so that's a good 6 inches on me. Short, fat, and... Everyone's got 6'5". Oh! Oh, I walked into that one. All right. On that note. On that note, back to the podcast. See ya. See ya. Good. All right, so there you have it. That was our take on the Slayer Show. It was me, Will, and Mark.

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Mark will be joining us in the next month or so in the studio and come down and you'll get to hear from him as well. I believe he just had a new child. He did. Oh, congratulations, Mark. So I'm going to let Buke take this next one. He just played something for me yesterday that I thought was pretty cool. We're going to share with you a clip of that, but I'm going to let Buke do the intro on it. All right. So I, you know, video gamer that I am, I listen to a bunch of podcasts. One of the podcasts,

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is the idle thumbs podcast they are made up a bunch of game designers and writers of some of them just released the game firewatch well on their podcast they uh they're sponsored by squarespace and through that sponsorship with squarespace i uh learned uh of that site and i suggested that that's who we use for the new we are metalheads.com page so that's what george uh used and our our site is slick now mobile was always

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A problem for us and Squarespace really helped us take that to a different level. So as a, you know, thanks to them, I wrote a nice email. And as you're about to hear here, the guys mentioned it. And so check this out. A reader wrote in to tell us about his website that he used the thumbs code to register on Squarespace. It is wearemetalheads.com. Okay. Yep.

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He says,

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I'm one of the co-hosts of the metal heads podcast.

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And for years,

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we look for the easiest way to design our website to host podcasts and

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reviews.

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Squarespace couldn't have been easier.

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I personally at opeth fan on Twitter,

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follow every idle thumbs on Twitter.

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And while it's clearly evident,

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none of you are metal heads.

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If you'd like to take a dive into loud screaming vocals,

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face melting,

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melting solos and blast drum beats,

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check us and our podcast out at we are metal heads.com.

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So that's a really good.

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to the idiotic metal-related non-discussion we had about two minutes ago. Maybe we can learn about what... Maybe we can become Metalheads. Maybe we can become Metalheads. Maybe we will be Metalheads.com. It's true. Yep. Squarespace is incredibly easy to use. You can put together websites that work on mobile. I'm looking at WeAreMetalheads.com on mobile right now. Looks like they have 43 episodes so far of the Metalheads podcast. Podcasts, interviews, reviews,

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WeAreMetalHeads.com. It's a really nice site. It's really good. I really like seeing the super clean

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Squarespace aesthetic then filled with a shitload of demons and stuff. It's what you want. That was it. That was WeAreMetalHeads being talked about on the Out of Thumbs podcast. I thought it was really funny. WeWillBeMetalHeads.com. It was cool that they gave George being the perfectionist he is. I love him for it. They really gave him a nice comment that the page looked nice.

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That made me feel good to hear something like that. I'm going to call that professional grade recognition that you got from the work you put into this. Yes. From these guys looking at it, that's definitely about as high odds as you can get. Yeah. So that's a nice little validation there for what was a lot of hard fucking work. Sure so was. Go enjoy this site, damn it, because I put my blood, sweat, and tears into that thing, and you better damn well enjoy it. There you go. So yeah, I was kind of bugging George.

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this week because I downloaded from iTunes the Twisted Sister documentary, which we talked about a few episodes back. It's called We Are Twisted Fucking Sister. And it was in the theaters very briefly. I mean, like now, I think, and maybe it's gone already. So I downloaded this thing because I'm an old Twisted Sister fan. And for those of you who really kind of don't know, I don't know what all our listeners think or feel or know about Twisted Sister, but they were a legit metal band. I mean, they weren't some glammy rock band.

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or something like that. Though they did start out, ironically, as a glammy rock band. And I just am kind of pimping this thing a little bit. It was one of the better rock documentaries I've ever seen. And it gives you a real glimpse into what the 70s scene was like, because that's when they started, when people used to actually go to shows, you know, like local shows. These guys made a pretty good career out of playing 2,000 in front of anywhere from 500 to 2,000 people a night for 10 years.

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Before anybody who knew they, you know, on the national scene knew who they were. And this documentary is that story. And it's got a lot of old footage, really cool stories. You know, I'm going to kind of sum it up there and just say highly recommend it. And the other cool thing is actually, it's fun to watch them become kind of a rock band and a hard rock band and then a straight up metal band. And they don't even talk about that in the documentary. It's just the video footage belies that, you know, so. Yeah, man, highly recommend it. Right on. And if you like that, I can also recommend to you Dee Snider's,

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called Shut Up and Give Me the Mic. Check that out on Amazon. Not that I get a kickback or anything. I don't. But it's still worth checking out. I haven't read that. You mentioned that as we spoke this week. So I'm going to pick it up. I'm going to pick it up because I'm a D fan. Oh, big time. He's definitely one of my all-time biggest heroes. Yeah. Cool motherfucker. Right on. All right. So we've got an interview for you this week. We're going to talk about that in a moment. Buke went out and snagged us the band Hoth from Seattle.

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And why don't we get into that interview and you know you hear some music and you'll be like damn these guys are awesome I need to pick that album up so here you go.

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Hello and welcome to the Metalheads Podcast. My name is George. This is Buke. And this is Jay. And we are joined today by the guys from Hoth. Would you please introduce yourselves and tell us what you do? Hey, I'm Eric from Hoth. And greetings, I'm David from Hoth. Yeah, we're both from Hoth. We're the Hoth guys. The Hoth brothers. Yeah, that's nice. You know, it only occurs to me now that when you both say you're from Hoth,

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There's not a lot of bands. I mean, it would be Kansas and bands like that that when they say they're from a place, it sounds like they're from a place. We're actually from a house. Gentlemen, first off, here on the Metal Heads Podcast, we've done, what, George, 46, 47 episodes now? This is episode 45. Okay, bands from all over the world we've had on and interviewed. But this is now, what, the fourth band from the Seattle area? Yeah, we had Flourishing Scourge.

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And we had Theories. We had Ashen Horde. Ashen Horde is actually L.A. But the implication is that you guys have something that resembles the scene up there. Is that accurate? Yeah, there's actually a handful of pretty good bands in the area. Shout out to one of our favorite local bands, Skeletor, traditional heavy metal. Put on kick-ass shows around here. If you haven't listened to them, you've got to check them out. Okay, Skeletor is a great name. Sounds familiar.

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Like that, that's awesome. Do they come out with the castle behind them, the toy that I always wanted as a kid, but I could never fucking get? No, they don't really do the... No, the dude's got a sword. He comes out with a sword. He's got a longsword. Oh, that's badass. I think what I really like about them is their vocals are fantastic. The guy just wails. He's probably the closest thing to Iron Maiden I've heard live. Awesome. Really? Now that's a bold statement. I know. I know. I'll say that.

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And I'm like, wow, you're actually not lying to me for one second.

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You know, people are like, you should check out this band.

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And then the band sounds like they recorded on a tape recorder, like a play school tape recorder.

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Gentlemen, that's actually, we've said this for some of the bands we have had on.

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That's what put you guys on my radar.

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We love browsing Bandcamp.

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And like I said this to the guys last week, the last interview,

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When something like you guys and when I heard your Oathbreaker album, it makes you literally stop for a second and be like, can I just hear that correctly? Is this actually sounding clear? Does this sound like there's production value to this? And more so to that, you guys in the style of, for those who haven't heard you, as a black metal band or melodic deaf in some parts, even more so breaking the mold of what self-produced stuff could do.

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could be. Well, I appreciate that. That's really nice to hear that people think that it sounds good. Gentlemen, it sounds amazing. I first wanted to start and ask you guys, you guys have two full-length out, Infinite Darkness and Oathbreaker. You guys, there's definite growth from Infinite Darkness to Oathbreaker, but I saw an interesting thing on Reddit, I believe. One of you guys said that Infinite Darkness was fun, but Oathbreaker was like you guys really getting down to business.

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Is that a perfect description of it? I think that's a pretty concise way to describe it. I mean, Infinite Darkness was kind of the culmination of the ideas that started the whole project. We sort of had these ideas, and it was just sort of a fun thing that came together. And we were like, hey, that was cool. This was good, but I think we can do better. And so for Oathbreaker, we sort of took a lot of those seeds that we had started, and we grew them. We really pushed ourselves to try and create something that we were really

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I think we accomplished that to some extent.

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Looking back on it, there's always things where it's like, "Oh, we could do this better, we could do that better."

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We're looking towards the future, we're looking for a new album where we can take those bits that we think we can improve and make them better.

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It's always a continuous process, a continuous growth for us, I think.

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With Oathbreaker being independently released by you guys, do you think that kind of frees you guys from maybe having to please a third-party record label or other companies and you can take what you think you did wrong and maybe fix them going forward without saying, hey, like some big corporate PR guy or sorry, some corporate presidents up here saying, oh, I don't like when you did this, Eric, or David, could you change this?

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Yeah, I think it definitely gives us a lot of freedom. And being a completely independent artist is powerful. I mean, you can ask any band, there's no money in making metal. So why be brought down by someone else's expectations? We've been in talks before with people who want us to put out things on vinyl, get a vinyl deal. It's like, hey, we'll put your album on vinyl, but you've got to do X, Y, and Z. We want to cut these songs off the album to make it short.

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to fit on two sides. We want you to play these shows. So it's kind of like, as soon as you're beholden to someone else, then you're not in complete creative control. So I love being in complete creative control, and I know that there's a lot of other independent bands that they definitely stay away from the big labels. They stay away from anything that would constrain their creativity.

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Some things that you wish you're like, man, I wish we had somebody to help us with these, whatever. Oh, man, mixing? Yeah, mixing or something. Yeah, mixing. There you go. Exactly. I wish somebody would help us with this, but, you know. Speaking of mixing, though, let's talk about that a little bit. I mean, what's the situation? How did you record this at home? Are you guys doing it at studio? What were you doing? Yeah, we did the vast majority of production in the basement of my house. That's awesome. That is awesome. Yeah, I just.

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I make a pot of coffee.

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What's your guy's brand? What's your favorite brand and how do you drink it?

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I make either French press or pour over and I just get whatever's dark.

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You know, Mike Hill, the lead singer of Tombs.

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I don't know if you guys are familiar with the band.

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But he's a big coffee guy. He keeps telling me to get a French press.

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Apparently that's the way to go if you're the second person now saying that.

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Well, if you like working to make your coffee.

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There's that.

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Because you wait, you know, you do a filter, you got to clean it, and then you got to grind everything.

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And if you want to be your own barista, then...

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I just throw away my curry.

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So I'm taking baby steps.

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Lots of coffee.

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And then I think I really just like self-producing mostly because whenever I'm in a studio or somewhere else,

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no matter what, I feel like I'm on their time.

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Even if they're like, whoa, you know, it's just per song.

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I feel like every take I do where I'm like I gotta true that up a little bit where I'm wasting their time instead of my own. Even if you're paying for it you know. Totally yeah and so I'm a big fan of self-producing and then maybe from there moving on and having someone aid with mixing and then we do have a guy here in Seattle that masters. I want to be more specific though like what do you what are you what are you doing together? PC set up down there going through a certain program I mean what do you what exactly? Let's see my whole chain I've got a couple interfaces I use stuff from the company Aperture

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I like them. They do these. I'm an Apple guy.

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The video game Remy is hurting right now.

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I love how plug and play everything is with Apple.

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Can we curse?

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Yeah, please.

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I don't want to fuck around with a movie where it's like drivers.

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Oh, updates, drivers.

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Oh, and it's like, just plug it in.

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It's out of my way.

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I'm there making music.

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So I use Apogee interfaces.

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I really like that company.

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And from there we've got your basic SM-57, 58s to mic stuff. I re-amp a lot of stuff. I've actually been using Guitar Rig to re-amp stuff and been really impressed with it. I do all the bass and guitar takes myself. We brought in a couple other musicians on contract to do some stuff. The stuff you hear on Oathbreaker that's way out there. The piano. That was going to be one of my questions. Who's the piano player?

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My roommate is a piano teacher and she's a fantastic classical performance pianist and I had her...so I wrote it and I kind of hummed it to her. She wrote it out on the staff and then played it and then I kind of tweaked it and then we had her record it. And then one of her best friends plays cello and so that's how we got the cello on the album too. I'm glad you asked if you could swear before you said pianist by the way. I really tried to emphasize the S.

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So guys, when you're downstairs, because George here, not to throw my friend under the bus, but he had a basement studio and a pretty nice setup for what he had. Like he actually had a room off to the side, like look like a pro studio. You know, George is behind the glass. How are you guys getting like the sound, the noise reduction and all that stuff? Do you have like a little soundproof box that you built? Do you just hang up? Yeah, we wait until everyone's gone. I mean, I remember I have a vivid memory of when we were tracking vocals on Earthbreak.

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and it was like 85 degrees and it was back when Eric still lived in an apartment and we were like you know in the middle of Seattle in an apartment super hot and there's probably just like 25 other people within 10 feet of us in their apartment. And I mean it worked out. Blankets you know it's pretty DIY. Definitely not the glamorous studio images we have seen like mega deaf in them over the years you know hanging out in the studios.

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We do not have Megadeth money. No. Are you... Duke mentioned gaming, and this was way off track, but are you guys video game players? Yes, yes. I ask because there's the acoustic bit on Oathbreaker that comes in pretty early in the album. I don't know if it's the end of track one or the beginning of track two. I apologize. I wasn't watching my player, but it sounds like something from Diablo to me. Oh, yeah. I played all the Diablos. Eric and I both play Starcraft.

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I was a long time WoW player too. And now we both play Destiny and I'm dabbling in Fallout. So yeah, we got some Destiny buddies. We got some buddies. Now I can really ask one of the questions. I want to know. You say you're deep into Destiny. Do you find it was a disappointment at first? Total disappointment to me. I played it for about a month and then I stopped playing for a year. And I only recently got back into it and I found a bunch of people to play with. So it was kind of a rebirth, a reawakening.

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for me.

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PlayStation or Xbox for you guys?

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What's that?

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Are you guys on PlayStation or Xbox?

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I'm on PlayStation.

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So we don't actually play together.

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I'll have to get your guys' names later because I'm on both.

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I'm just a video game slut.

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You guys have an interracial family over there.

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That's interesting that you guys get along.

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It's nice.

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Well, yeah.

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Xbox.

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You know.

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Yeah.

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Group S, FedEx, Coke, Pepsi.

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I'm into it, man.

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Guys, it's, you know, 2016, you know, sees us now with a new Star Wars film. Are you guys sick of all the Star Wars questions coming to you guys? Or did you kind of know going into it that that's what people were going to associate you guys with? Even though you guys have clearly said in numerous interviews that the lyrics like for Oathbreaker can be attached to North mythology.

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any hero character, video games, it doesn't have to go with a Star Wars. Yeah, super sick of hearing, you know, everybody's like, hey, do you like Star Wars? Have you guys seen the Star Wars movies? You know, and it's like, hey, Hoth, Han shot first, LOL, am I right? Yeah, so it's kind of like, you know, like, you think that people, like, you know, they talk to Aman and Martha and they're like, hey, what do you think about Vikings, guys? You know?

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What do you think about Tolkien? That's what you took your name from, right? Yeah, it gets a bit tedious. We like Star Wars. We'll talk about Star Wars. Most people like Star Wars. It's definitely something that we've been... Obviously, the first album, that's how it all started. We can't deny that that's how it started. Definitely, we don't want to be pigeonholed into this gimmick. We definitely have tried to compose music.

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It sort of has these broader themes that are applicable to the story being told in Star Wars. But I want to show that that's a story told across. So who is to blame when this episode ends? Who's getting hit saying, told you we shouldn't have gone with Hobbit in Star Wars? Which, by the way, I also need to just go ahead and rip up all my fucking questions now. I'm joking. I'm sure you guys were a lot younger when you started.

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It's easy to grab from. The material is there. For somebody who can't even write a lick of lyrics or songwriting myself, I'm a big hockey fan. I could probably write an album about my capitals hockey or something like that. Hockey metal. Yeah, hockey metal. That would be really funny. Exactly. Gentlemen, you guys moving forward, will this year find new Hoth material coming out? That would be nice. We can't promise it'll be this year. Don't promise that.

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There will be more in the future. But it's a slow process. We're not

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beholden to any sort of record contract. We're not supposed to get anything out at any time. So we sort of take it at our own pace. And we definitely take our time to try and make the best possible music that we can.

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Guys, is that something that you have found kind of hard? Or do you not...

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Because you guys said, you're not making money off this. You're not going to get rich off this.

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Once you put the album out, since it's just you two guys behind it, is it hard? Like, here we are, you know, March 6th right now. Is it hard to, or do you guys not care if people don't find Oathbreaker now? Where maybe, like, if you had, like, a record label behind you, they'd still be, you know, waving your guys' flag for you guys, you know, a couple years after release.

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of distribution behind you. They can get your album in places that you can't get on your own. So, I mean, there's some benefit to the record label, definitely, in terms of distribution. And I think most of the time, that's what bands are paying for. They're paying for that ability to get their album out there to different people. So maybe. But at the same time, I think that, you know, it's almost been two years since Oathbreakers come out at this point. So I think that definitely, you know, the record label will be

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Pushing Us to come out with something new at this point rather than trying to direct people to buying the Oathbreaker album. George, I think he can back me up on this. Him and I have bought a lot on Bandcamp. I don't think I've had to click on the More button to scroll down the page to see how many people have bought your album like Oathbreaker has. It's incredible how many people have supported this album. It's just awesome to see.

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And it's really just through word of mouth and definitely a huge part with Reddit. But also just resharing on Facebook. And then I think a couple, maybe about a year ago or now on Facebook, the Black Dahlia Murder shared us. The guy from the Black Dahlia Murder was like, you know it's good for you. You'll listen to it. And Eric and I were like, holy shit. I think we got like a couple thousand more likes that day on Facebook. That's awesome. Wow.

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That was cool. And every now and then, it doesn't happen as much, but when the album was newer, every now and then there'd be some blog somewhere that would pick us up and run a feature or something. There was some Hungarian metal website that shared us, and suddenly we had a disproportionately large number of Hungarian fans, and it was pretty awesome. So now I really want to get hungry. So then when I reached out to you guys to interview you, you're like, why the fuck are these guys bothering us two years after the fact? Thanks.

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And they're not from Hungary, so I don't know what to say. No, they're in a buzz. It's easier to work out a time when you're in our country. I have to ask, you guys also, which I think is so cool, have a Christmas album for the God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen. Whose idea was that, and how did that come about? I don't remember whose idea that was, but I don't even remember how we... Yeah, I'm really into Christmas metal.

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mostly spawning from my hatred of Christmas popular music. All that music, Christmas music. As soon as I hear that, I'm like, oh, Christmas metal needs to happen. And so I've got this playlist with the Christopher Lee, rest his soul, Christmas songs. And then, you know, there's the one, I kind of lump in the Twisted Sister Christmas stuff. And then there's a couple crazy guys out there. There's like a total shred master who did a Tech Death Tchaikovsky album. And I love the shit.

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I don't know what direction we'll take this year, but I think we do want to do a Christmas song every year. Some Christmas songs, the way they translate. We forgot to do one last year. And the year before. We did King Diamond. We did the King Diamond cover. For your cover or take on King Diamond, are you guys even attempting to hit

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his vocals are doing in the halfway. Who is hitting them? Nice! He's got away with the falsetto. I've got some weird freakish falsetto. Some demons inside of me. It's right up where you guys live. It's the first time I saw three inches of blood. Oh yeah. And I saw Cam Pipes up on stage and he hits that falsetto and my head just fucking explodes. Yeah, yeah. You see a big guy like him and you... I can't do that. I could do it maybe when I was 11. I love it. I love

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a good fucking rock scream. I love it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So could we see maybe going forward? Could we see a about face on you guys? And could you guys maybe be like more new wave of British heavy metal bringing the rock screams out in on the new Hoth album? I don't think that'll happen under the Hoth banner. But the King Diamond song was definitely fun. So that was good. It was good doing a cover like that. We might do a cover again sometime, but who knows. Do you guys like doing covers? Yes and no. I get frustrated when I have to learn someone else.

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So guys, I have to ask you the boring questions because people want to know, what got you guys into metal? And have you guys lived in the Seattle area your whole life? Was the influences coming from living up there? Because obviously I thought you guys would be like an Alice in Chains band or something. Yeah, I was born and raised here in the Seattle area.

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I started with the entry level bands. I started with a lot of Metallica

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and Iron Maiden and sort of branched out

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from there as a teenager.

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And now I feel like I'm into the really obscure

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shit. Probably what you guys do, going around on band camp

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and you just find some band that only one person has ever listened to before

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and it's just the best black metal you've ever heard.

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George. Every episode, George Hitsworth was like 20 of those. Awesome. And I was mostly raised around here, born in the Midwest. I don't know if this area had an influence on me for metal, but I think around middle school, I realized that I really liked double bass. I just liked music that was... One of my weirdo friends who would wear trench coats to school and those pants with the chains on them was like, bro, listen to Jimmy Borgir, and I heard that.

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And then in like a week I was like I can't stop listening to this. Was it the death death cold album? It was puritanically euphoric misanthropia. Yeah. Yeah, so I got into them and then and then branched off to like old man's child and started listening to some other black metal in middle school and I definitely had my embarrassing metalcore phase where I just really liked metalcore and once I moved out of my parents house I got more into I think I think compared to Eric I'm more

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into death and tech death. I like some of the showy stuff when it's tasteful. Eric, do you ever think to yourself why I'm in a band with him? I think that. We're losing this connection here. I don't know what's happening. No, it's the metalcore thing that threw me out. I think that whenever I always picture when we have this conversation and we usually do when you're in junior high or whatever it is when you're discovering this. I always picture that scene from The Omen where he's looking at his scalp in the mirror trying to

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He sees the three sixes on himself. He's like, "Oh no. I am one of those guys." How did you guys grow up with one another through middle school, high school? Did you guys find each other recently? We went to the same high school. We weren't in the same grade. Didn't know each other at all in high school. Didn't even meet each other in high school. But I guess we were there together at the same time. So it was actually after high school. It was in college when we met. We had a mutual friend.

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And we met and we were like, I think the first time we hung out, we like took a hike. I kidnapped him. I actually saw him on the street. And I was like, I know that guy. When we were looking for, we were going to go on a hike to a place called the Bat Caves. And we had never been to the Bat Caves. They're not actually caves and there's no bats. But it's a series of rocks. Just a creepy old man with a young boy. It's a fan with like blankets covering the windows or something. I actually just saw him walking on the street and I was like,

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I know him. You went to my high school and my friend who was driving actually did know Eric. And then we just rolled down the window and yelled at him to get in the car that we're going to the Bat Caves. And I was like, all right. Now, what does it say for Eric that without thinking, he gets in a van going to the Bat Caves? Why not? We're a dark, secluded place. You want to go? We're listening to some power metal. I was like, that's some sweet power metal. Let's do it. That's even fucking worse, though, dude. He's this kid. A kid on the street.

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We're going to a dark, secluded place in the woods, and we're listening to Slayer right now. So, I don't know. Are you interested? There's some future. There's some serial killer here who's listening to the podcast who's failed. They've failed numerous times. Now they're going to get the hookup. They're going to be like, now I can pick him up and just blare some power of the dragon flame as I'm pulling up next to him. You know, if a serial killer is out there and is going to pick people up in a van while listening to metal, he might. Statistically, it's probable. Pick up someone who is a serial killer who kills people.

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that picks people up in vans listening to metal. Holy shit. You got a math guy over there. Fuck. I think my brain hurts now. That was fucked up. There's no way this guy doesn't work for Microsoft or something. That was an audio room. Close. We won't talk about that, though. Yeah, no. Guys, so when you guys started, you know, after the Batcave, which, you know, you don't talk about the Batcave. Was Hoth you guys first endeavor together?

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Yeah.

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And so, would you guys, was it a two-piece from the start?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, we were just kind of producing everything, kind of low-end.

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So there are no bodies left at the Batcave, so prior members.

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It sounded pretty terrible at first.

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And I guess you could say the demos that led to Infinite Darkness were fueled by beer.

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Yeah.

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Whereas the Oathbreaker was all fueled by coffee.

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Have you ever, like, you know, grabbed some other people to, like, play some shows, or is this strictly studio?

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I mean we haven't ruled out ever playing shows but it's we get asked a lot it's a so we hear you and we'd love to I was just wondering if you had in the past you know some bands it's it's two people and then when they go tour or play shows they just you know bring in you know a couple extra players we would love to play a live show and and the thing is we're such perfectionists you know I've heard bands that go get up there and play and then you know what's what's the gap between how many representatives they have on stage and their actual recording is then made up

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by a MacBook, like that just eats away my soul. And so we would need keys and strings and backup vocals and bass to guitarists. And yeah, so I have a group in town that I perform with. It's not metal. So I play in this indie rock band and we play shows about once or twice a month. And yeah, I'm busy with a lot of stuff. Is that exciting for you? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's, I mean, people get really sweaty and dance and grunt.

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Girls Talk To Me. Things That Don't Happen With Metal. Or in Any Other Part Of The World. George was at the Slayer Carcass Show last night. How many hot girls were there? Actually, quite a few. Were they the bartenders, George? Did they work there? Yeah, well, some of those were pretty good, too. But guys, also, we're talking about earlier, after Oathbreaker, there were some things that bothered you.

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Were there any things that you received feedback for that you might have just kind of brushed off but when it came to light you guys like wow the listeners surprisingly liked that maybe we should do more of that something that may be going into it Eric you were like you and David were going back and forth like maybe we shouldn't even have this in here but then like you're surprised how many people liked it. I think the things that we thought shouldn't be in there we took out I know that there's a choral bit that we recorded that didn't end up in the album we just didn't like the way it sounded

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on the third track, on the Cryptic Nightmares. We were going to put a choral bit on the end, sort of an acapella, creepy type thing. And we recorded and everything, and it just didn't like the way it sounded. Maybe fans would like it, I don't know. But I didn't like it. I didn't feel like it fit the creative vision that we had. But to answer your question, I don't think that we really left anything in that we weren't sure about and put it in there. But I mean, fans all the time, they say that they absolutely, like,

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I don't know, just when you make something, you never listen to it with the same perspective that the fans are going to be listening to it. They have a totally different experience listening to it. I don't know the last time I actually listened to the album. That was going to be my next question. I have a saying for that. It's that music sounds a lot different coming towards you than it does going away from you. Yes, that's very accurate. It's like the Doppler effect.

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He's a singer in a band. Also in another band camp. I only say that because Jay said before on previous episodes that by the time the product is out there, you have heard it on such a microscopic level every step that you are almost kind of blind to... Yeah, toned up to it. It almost doesn't sound like music anymore. Yeah, there's some intense listener fatigue with all of my work. Especially Hoth. We've got longer songs.

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Yeah. Well, like you said, mixing. Mixing is a nightmare. You know. We have talked to some bands, you know, solo, one-man metal bands. Without having, you know, like a normal-sized band of like, you know, four or five guys, were there any times during the recording where you guys were really going at it, or do you guys' personalities really work for what you guys do? I feel like we have a really good, like, it's almost hard for me to imagine that we'd have another creative element, like a third or fourth person in this band. I feel like we bounce ideas back and forth.

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really well. One of us comes up with a riff, the other person's like, hey, that's really cool, let's modify it in this way, though. And we sort of go back and forth for a while. And I feel like we work really well together. And I feel that that shows on Oathbreaker. I feel like there's a good melding of our creative energies on Oathbreaker. So I feel like we definitely have a personality that works really well. I think that David's way more of a perfectionist than I am. There's plenty of times where I'm like, oh, that sounds good enough, let's do that. And then David's like, no.

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And he just keeps doing it over and over again and tweaking these tiny little things. He's the guy. The reason the album doesn't sound like shit is because he's willing to actually tweak those tiny little details that I definitely don't have the patience for. So that's... I definitely... Yeah, go ahead. I was going to say, David, first off, if no... Of course, people can't see this. Guys, isn't he a dead lookalike for Dave Davidson of Revocation? Fucking spot on! Yeah, he looks like him, yeah.

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Yeah, that's his indie rock band that he plays in. Yeah, so that pays the bills, but when I'm here doing stuff for Hot, it's what I like. David, you sound like a pretty tech-savvy guy doing a lot on your Mac. Can you hear the scorn and distaste in the way he says that word? I like how this is going so far. I never love Mac.

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from actually people needing to play instruments and more to the tech side of it. What is your take on all of that? I think one of the most important parts about creating music for people and what makes it the best to listen to and the most repeatable and enjoyable is having that organic element and having actually played some part of it. I do also make a lot of electronic music and I try to integrate organic instruments or organic percussion in there.

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because it keeps it still human. And when you program something and it's all on a grid, I think your curve for your listener fatigue is a lot shallower and you get sick of listening to it. And it's funny, I'm extremely opinionated. Eric and I talk a lot about music and I think maybe 30% of all the words that come out of my mouth are critiques of other people's music. And the number one thing I'm saying right now, I'm complaining about music that's entirely electronic. It's all samples.

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and it's all thrown together and it's cut up vocals and it's getting massively popular. These really psychedelic, down-tempo things, wind chimes and synth pads. And I listen to that and it just does nothing for me because there's no one playing an instrument. And I think once you stop playing instruments, it's almost not musical in the same sense. It's called don't play.

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there is rich DJs out there. I don't get that. I agree. I 100% agree. I don't 100% agree, actually. Whoa! I had a discussion. I think it was the other week. I definitely agree that there's a huge element of actual musicianship, but for me, I think that the number one thing that's important to me is overall composition. I agree that shit that's all chopped up with your wind chimes and crap,

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and you know what you're talking about and that stuff's awful. But I think that overall like a composition like for a lot of video games and lower budget films, you have someone who's composed multiple layers and I don't think that you can discount using like a synthetic orchestra. So I think that for me composition and musical composition, the songwriting itself is the number one thing. But that's not to say that I don't appreciate seeing awesome musicians

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But I guess to me, when you look at all the musicians, there's a million great

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guitarists, that can totally shred, that can play any song in the world. But the number of great guitarists that can actually also write a great song is a much smaller number. So for me, composition is the highest level that I look at. And if it means that the entire thing is electronic, it was all done on a computer, but the composition is still there, it's an emotive song that you're listening to, and it really

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speaks to you. That's important to me. I also love watching people play guitar. I love the human element. So when you bring those two together, which you often get a lot of times in heavy metal, it's awesome. But I'm not going to totally discount someone who only works with electronic music. It doesn't go towards the electronic thing, but that's why Jimmy Page is God to me. I mean, Jimmy Page is just the greatest composer, as it were. You know what I mean? Technically, not a great composer.

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I was gonna say did you see the fake Foo Fighters breakup video I thought I said I just didn't watch it yeah it it's it's like a lot of their stuff it's kind of a funny response to the rumors that they were breaking up and in it Dave Grohl is hanging out with Butch Vig and talking about how he needs to go solo and and Butch Vig is like well you know all you got to do is go over to the keyboard here and you just hit this one

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key, and that's all you gotta do. And then you just sing. And he's like, you mean like this? And it's like, boom, dee dee, boom, dee dee, boom, dee dee. It's kind of funny. Now, guys

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If I wanted to, it wouldn't sound good, but I don't know how to play guitar. I don't know how to play bass, drums, anything like that. I could purchase expensive software, and I could build a band and write songs like that. It's cool, I think, for some people who are limited, maybe, if they don't have a drummer. If there's digital drum tracks that they are able to use and to fill in, more power to them, but it's hard.

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more accessibility for people to get out there and be creative.

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Which I think is really great.

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On the other hand, you get a lot of crap that you have to sift through.

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Just like we talked about Bandcamp already, but you can go through.

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There are so many people that are able to make music.

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I mean, if you go 10 or 20 years ago, there's probably the same number of creative people,

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but so many of them just don't have access to instruments and recording equipment.

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They have the ability to get their music out there now, so that's really cool.

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you can hear stuff now that you as long as you're willing to sift through the crap that you probably would never have been able to do without the internet and without all this software that's available. Right, right. I was going to add to the conversation we were talking about new technology and music production and accessibility. I saw this site the other day. I think it's called HitRecord and it's like a Reddit combined with social media and what you do is you make your own profile and you submit tracks. You say, I'm a

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and then here's a little riff I made and then it goes up there and it's all survival of the fittest people upvote and downvote different riffs and stuff and then they have the option to collaborate with it if you let them so someone will respond and say I want to collaborate with you and then you can say yes and then they had a really cool demo for it where they showed a bunch of people around the world putting in percussion and vocals and different things and it's kind of crazy to see I mean maybe only a narrow application of just kind of continuing the story of your song but it's I think you're going to see a lot more crazy and innovative ways of making music and

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That sounds like the best way to make lowest common denominator shit music. Yeah. Okay. I'm sure you're not. I could go on there wearing corpse paint and be like. And then somebody would like sing about that. They'd rap over it. It would just be fucked. Crowdsourced composition. Wow, man. He took all that optimism and he just shoved it right back in your face, didn't he? He was like, this is amazing. He's like, it sucks. I feel like if we tried really hard, we could break this paper.

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I have to ask. I am a big Reddit guy. You know, you can come on there. I love the one meme on Reddit where they use Mr. Burns from Simpsons. He's like, I bring you love. And he's like, he brings you love. Break its legs. You know, that's Reddit. It's a horrible place. You post like cute little puppies and people will bash you, download you.

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Who had the nerves, sorry, the balls, I should say, I'm sorry, to go on Reddit and to say, hey guys, we're Hoth, here's our album Oathbreaker, check it out. And the comments were overwhelmingly positive, but that was a big, you know, you're taking a chance there. Well, we use a combination of brainwashing and psychological techniques in our music itself, but Eric can answer this. Yeah. I figure, so after we recorded

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I figured we poured ourselves into it and I figured the music

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is going to speak for itself. We put it out there, people listen to it and the music will speak for itself so people like it, it'll work. So I figured I wasn't going to try and some sort of trickery to get people to listen to it. I was like well you know I'm just going to put it here and people can listen to it. I just tried to keep it simple and it worked out. I don't know if it was just luck, if it was a fluke, but you know people liked

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it and that's super humbling to hear that after you spent all this time creating

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something that other people actually want to listen to it so that's it was cool it worked out

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have you got any like vile hate comments or anything you're like oh a simple i don't like it would

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have would have worked actually actually not at all i'm like you know what someone like come at me bro

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like please someone criticize us no i mean like the worst the worst that anybody's said is like oh it's

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It was really cool to see

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because somebody who's on there

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many times a day. It was cool to see nothing but positivity flowing on your guys' posts there. Just wait until our next album. Then the next album will come. I mentioned you said you don't know when it'll be out. It's out when it's out. Do you guys even have anything down on paper? Are you guys maybe worried about your personal lives right now? Are you waiting? Is Hoff going to be put on the back burner right now? Because the vision comes out on Tuesday. I know I'm going to be playing a lot of that.

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Are you guys in a holding pattern now? No, it's slow and steady. I think that we have three partially recorded tracks right now for a new album. We've got a lot of demos and ideas. One of the things we do before we start even working on an album is we meet up and we have some beers and we outline it. That way we kind of have a blueprint, at least a thematic blueprint.

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place already and yeah there's a lot of demos coming and uh big aspirations for this album of course every time we make an album we want to do a bunch of things way better like how we did from infinite darkness to oathbreaker and now from oathbreaker to what's happening now we want it even better so yeah but it's not don't worry it won't take five years yeah we're not gonna we're not gonna yari this or tool it yeah yeah i i am uh opeth is my favorite band uh their last couple albums they

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have changed completely from what they were as a band. Will we see you guys making any big changes out of right field? Is there anything you guys want to do? I think that this next album will sort of be the natural progression from Oathbreaker in that sort of direction. I think that's how you could describe it. I don't think we're going to become all atmospheric prog rock all of a sudden, so you don't have to worry about that. We have some listeners who are upset now.

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that statement. John is not pleased. You know those

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prog guys. They're a passionate bunch.

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And they're better than the rest of us.

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Yeah, I mean, I've

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obviously listened to Oathbreaker

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6,000 times, and

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when I

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listen to it, what stands out to me is

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there were some parts where

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we might have cut corners. Now this is just me

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being extremely

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critiquing of it, but I think

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we want to have more of a

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like tangential melodies where things just... where the songs feel like they're going off in their own direction and they don't repeat themes too often. And when they do, it's maybe more planned and not forced. I don't know what to talk about. I think on the new album, we just want to have a lot of... we want to have songs that are even more interesting to listen to that don't have as much repetition. No verses and choruses rigid like it was... Dude, as much as you may not have a formula,

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you got a formula and you even if you don't know it and I think that's a real natural thing to kind of start falling into your own little formula I mean like Opeth is a great example because there's 8 million refs in any given Opeth song but there's still a formula because you go in and you know what I mean well for one thing five records in it can get a little dull so I think it's real hard to break your own natural tendencies. Jay you just said something that I find really interesting about this Oath Break album is that just when you

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You know what the album is. Something else hits you. Like again, I was listening last night while playing Street Fighter. Great fighting music for the bundle. Great music. When Acolyte came on, there were songs towards the end of it. Towards the end of it, I'm like, man, this is like a different sound than I've heard on the album yet. You guys kept doing that track after track with little hints. So you guys, I say all this because next album, you guys have a huge swath of sounds to play with.

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You know, you guys really aren't, you know, you really haven't put yourself in a corner. You know, nobody puts Oath in a corner. I think we're also very big fans of Opeth. And one of the things I really like about Opeth is, and this sounds kind of cheesy, but I can listen to their music and I can close my eyes and it has what I call musical imagery. For instance, like Watershed and Ghost Revery's, I can, I get imagery like that.

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The music itself tells a story to me above and beyond the vocals and the lyrics. There's a compositional narrative and that was something that we consciously tried to work into Oathbreaker and something that we want to do on our future releases as well. Is it Star Wars, angry typing guy? Star Wars? It's the hero's tragedy. Go ahead, sorry. That was something we did on Oathbreaker. That's something I want to do on future stuff and that's why I don't want to have

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I want it to feel like you're listening to it, but you're also experiencing a story.

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Absolutely. I think that's a great term, compositional narrative. That's fabulous.

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I think with the best music, and honestly you can even do it with some of the really formulaic music, but if you kind of lay back and close your eyes and just do the kind of Carl Jung, you know, active imagination thing, you're going to get a story.

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Totally.

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Yeah, and that's awesome. That's really cool that you guys, that's part of your focus, you know, is to let that kind of happen as you're playing this good stuff. A lot of metal bands are like, get ready for 45 minutes of brutal punishment, and then it's like all the way thrown up. Like, we could do that, and we do that sometimes, but yeah, I think metal as a genre often gets boxed as being just monotone brutality, and it's really,

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It's really fairly evolved and it's got all these things from jazz and classical music put together and I mean maybe Eric and I are delusional but we view it as a pretty high form of art and expression. You're over here for sure all of us. I don't know if you guys have been told this for me I have mentioned on the pod many times I am not the biggest black metal guy. I'm more of a death metal guy. George is black metal himself. I'm everything. But you have more so

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Black Metal now, you know, George just comes and goes. He just waves. George definitely looks the most grim and frostbitten out of all of you. That's why he said so little, too. You can't break that. We've got to keep that scary thing going. Black Metal, not to throw any band under the bus, but to me, Black Metal was always, and George, like we've said before, George will say, that's early Black Metal. It's not like that anymore.

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It's the boring blast beats. They go into the growling. I can't stand it. It bores the fuck out of me. But he loves the new Deaf Heaven. Guys, yes, that's a great question. These guys are perfect to ask. Have you guys, as a black metal band, have you heard Deaf Heaven and what's your thoughts on them? I have listened. It's not bad, but it's not my thing. Can I say it's hipster black metal? Of course you can. They're pretty.

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I think there's a lot of music coming up right now that's heavy or hard sounding but it's not metal. And I'm not talking about Deaf Heaven. I'm talking about like I group Deaf Heaven and these other genres together. There's this other genre and Eric and I call it vest metal. It's like all the like all the Doomstoners. Red Fang, Black Tusk. Like the Portland, San Francisco,

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for bands. We just drink beer to have a good time and then we kind of riff. And a lot of this is, you know, just check out these minor pentatonic scales. And then there's all these people that are like, you guys have a metal band? Well, I'm into metal. Like Red Fang and Kvelatak. There is this weird hipster thing that happened where they've claimed, in some cases, some legit bands, but also like Sleep.

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I live in San Francisco Bay Area. He says almost half-admittingly. Yeah, I know, because the scene here is fucked now, dude. And believe me, my band here is like, you know, we're looking at funny. We're kind of more of a new wave of British heavy metal, kind of thrashy. Trust me, that thing ain't happening here right now. But all I mean to say is the hipsters just, it's hard to go to a sleep show. I don't like going to sleep, because they'll also latch on to some pretty good bands. Yeah, I hear what you're saying, dude. We talked about that.

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this a lot when Lemmy died. Because Lemmy was one of these guys that became an icon that kind of... Transcended music. Yeah, and so it was okay for a lot of people like that to be like, yeah, Lemmy's a badass, even though they never heard of anything but Ace of Spades. And we have this kind of whole thing which is like, get off our fucking porch, dude. You know what I mean? Like, we put in the time, and we all really care about this stuff, and we really understand the ins and outs of it to the point where, you know, I know why Tom G. Warrior is an important motherfucker. Yeah. Get off my fucking porch, you know what I mean?

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I think a lot of people can't quantify why hipsters are so infuriating when they encroach on their own territory. And I think I've put a lot of thought into this. Eric and I talk about this kind of stuff all the time. But you're in an indie rock band. Aren't you labeled a hipster when you play in that band all the time? Probably. Eric, is he wearing his keys on a carabiner right now? Hipster. He always loses his keys. I don't even know what they are. I want to hear this point. He was getting ready to nail some shit. So I think hipsters are infuriating because they're

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They're disingenuous and they do things for social reasons. And so there's all these people just tragically hip at a sleep show or like getting really into Red Fang. And then they start, you know, they start kind of lumping themselves in with the metal crowd and more like, bro, posers and wimps need to leave the hall. Sorry. You're going to be crushed with nuclear drums if you stick around any longer. You're saying this is hipster now? The sunbather? This is hipster? Yep. Yep. I don't know. I mean, I know. You don't have to. Buick has a, Buick is not a fan. He's a,

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He buys the records because it's just like this thing happening in metal now. Not to speak for a bit, but trust me, everything you're saying is resonating with all of us. Guys, as a band playing a form of music right now, black metal is almost seeing this second breath, it seems like, a second life. It's really coming to the forefront, it seems. It seems like the trends in black metal are more so than any other

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Former Metal, George, correct me if I'm wrong, but you remember when Symphonic Black Metal by Demiou was popular? You saw a couple copies of Demiou popping up. A couple? Yeah. A lot. A lot. Anytime anybody does something new that sounds different or it's innovative, I mean, Ghost is a great example. Ghost probably sparked a lot of this retro stoner stuff in a sense because people were like, oh, hey, that's kind of popular. And so the labels are all scrambling to

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find people that sound like that. It's just like, you know, Seattle there. When Nirvana hit, everybody moved to Seattle and all the labels went to Seattle. And the next thing you know, this thing that was new and cool is now annoying because everybody's doing it. Yeah. Well, so on the next album, don't go hipster on us, boys. We might do an April Fool's Day joke. Yes. Actually, yeah, that might be a good time to unveil something. We do a lot of joke music, too. And I'm pretty sure I've made fun of every

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that I've complained about today.

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So I've made the wind chimes,

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all electronic, ducking, backbeat, cut-up vocal stuff.

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And I think I posted it on SoundCloud for like two days,

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and I was like, stop fucking doing this.

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And then after a while, I was like, man, am I really,

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I'm this old and I still have to tell people what music sucks?

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Like, I should just go.

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I should just start having fun.

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That's good.

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But we've also made some vest metal.

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But guys, do you get any flack from other bands? Like, hey, leave us alone, you know? Don't mess with us. I'm sure we will. Yeah, we're going to get all sorts of angry emails after you air this. You're assuming we have a listenership there. You're only big in Hungary right now, so don't worry. Actually, we have some listeners in Hungary. And we're going to help you break into Lithuania, too, so get ready, boys. Boys, we're having a great time listening.

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to remind our listeners again we're talking to hoth their album oathbreaker you can get it on band camp right now i highly we all recommend it uh going out picking it up we wanted to intro our first track we're going to play from you guys right now uh the first track we're going to play is the song serpentine whispers you want to tell us a little bit about that one boys uh it's track number four three four four yeah something i don't know like i said four four it's okay you're in the band you can change it up as much as you want

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So this was the third track we recorded for the album? Yeah, we definitely didn't record the album in the order. The first track we did was Acolyte. That was the first track that we recorded. So I think this was the third one we recorded for the album. And from the beginning, it was kind of like we wanted to have the... We've got this choral bit that we recorded in the middle. And that was sort of from the beginning kind of our focal piece. We were like, hey, let's... So the rest of the song was kind of built around the...

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that bit in the middle of the song there. So that was sort of the genesis of that song. And I think it turned out pretty well. It's kind of fun. I hope that when people start listening to the song and they get to that portion, their ears kind of perk up and they're like, oh, what's this? You know, so that... It did to mine. Yep. It's definitely one of the more accessible songs on the album. And it's pretty straightforward. And it's a good tune. That's right. Yeah. Fixed summation, dude.

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I don't know what else to say about it. Don't move an inch, bro. You're beautiful the way you are. Fun fact, the choral bit's in Latin. It's a good dude. It's funny you mentioned that. I wanted to ask you guys, was it a friend of yours, the one singing in Latin? In yours, Eric? We both sang that part, actually. Like 30 of us. 15 of me and just kidding, it was 30 of me and one of them. No, but they just mixed me out.

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the bass player. Listen close. There you are. Right there. You know what I'm hearing? Yeah, so we actually sang that part together and Eric is the linguist. Yeah, so I studied Latin because I thought it was going to be super useful. And it turned out it did because I wrote two lines for a song later. Nailed it. But yeah, so I studied Latin.

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at university.

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And so I was like, hey, well, Latin's cool.

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So let's write some lyrics.

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So that's what I did.

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It's probably the only time I ever used Latin after school.

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So glad it got some use.

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Hey, you have more albums on the horizon.

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Don't say the only time, okay?

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So here we go.

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This is Serpentine Whispers.

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One who knows the gifts of the darkness His words recognize and the power unmatched No one can sense his ever creeping influence As he shrouds his ill will from his foes He knows the young ones, passions will overwhelm All the sober vows he has sworn Slithering into his ears a legend was passed down From the old master to the vile disciple Dark magic, dark desire

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See the dead stop the dying, save the ones he loves.

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An incromantic power, skies with light.

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A noble cloth hides a fenton spirit.

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A bastard child born of prophecy.

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Displays the hope of an age forgotten.

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His words are like the singing of serpents.

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Songs that cover our shadows.

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He blows the line between good and evil.

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A false smile masking the deceit.

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Sensing the young one's power and lust, heroes and purple are still.

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A silver tongue conceals The bile of this nature He wants to consume And the stars Sit with me, my child I know what troubles you So listen to my words attentively Become a god Create light also I hold these ancient secrets As unholy and unnatural

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All right, that was Serpentine Whispers from Hoth,

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from their album Oathbreaker. Pick it up on Bandcamp today. We've been lucky lately, man. I mean, not only have we, I think we're all just pleased with the way the interviews are going, but last few bands, really fucking nice guys. And Hoth guys, they're super nice, super bright, very bright guys, brighter than your average metal. Yeah, exactly. Nice guys. Just say it right now. Thank you, Buke. Thank you, Buke. Buke also picked up the guy that's going to be on our next episode, but you'll have to wait to find out who that is. And had you put,

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You're the one who pulled Pile of Priests, too, Buke? No, that was me. Who are coming to Oakland, by the way. Yes. Yeah, I'll go. I told them to get a hold of you, and they said they would. Yeah, I'll reach out to them. I didn't even see. Do you happen to notice when the date was on this, George? I think it was April 19th. Okay. Yeah, I promise you I will touch base with those guys, for sure. I'll buy them a beer or something. Put a little gas in their van. Yeah, man, get a picture with them. We'll do. We'll do. Right on. Why don't we get into the news?

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So I've been, over the past week or so, trying to convince Jay that the new Anthrax album is awesome. We're still working on it. I finally gave up and admitted it's pretty fucking great. Well, let's talk about it for a second, because we went back and forth, and I think George had the same experience as me. I think you said you did, which was, first listen, I was like,

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I hear what they're doing here but I'm not sure if I'm okay with it

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and then the next listen I was like

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that was pretty catchy that one's cool isn't it

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it's kind of like an enslaved record

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for me and what I mean is every enslaved record

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ever first listen I'm like

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this is going to be some work and then three

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listens in it's like a great record

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cut to the now

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I'm really into the new Anthax

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record it's really well

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done. Yep we're still trying

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to get Buke on board he's shaking his head

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he's like eh when he went to the

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I did a preemptive convincing buke which we're gonna do a little later to no avail but anyway this first news item after you know after he'd listened to the album a little while Jay was like hey man have you seen the video for Blood Eagle Wings and I was like no I haven't I'll check that out and I'm just like okay it's a video whatever but then I watched it and holy fuck this video is really fucked up and I was like oh Blood Eagle

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Right.

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I seem to recall something about that in my like Norse mythology readings of yesteryear.

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That you know the blood eagle is where they basically they it's a torture and slash execution where they take the the unfortunate soul in question they lay them down on their chest.

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They cut open their back and they sever the rib cage from the spine and then they pull the ribs out the back and like basically, you know, bend them back so that they look like these bloody wings coming out of the back and then they reach into the hole and pull the lungs out and flop them over your shoulder and you're still alive for all this and you're just like, fuck! Yeah, in the video, they do it. Yeah, it is all done in graphic detail and before they even get to this part, there's like,

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people with their heads lopped off and stabbed yeah it's fucking it's snuff porn did you um did you watch all the way to the end george to see the little cameos at the end yes yes at the very end brian posay and he's like what did he say he was like well that was extreme brutal yeah that was brutal you know and did you know the other guy i think is brendan small oh was it okay see i don't know him my by sight yeah um they uh it's a it's a i i had only watched it myself because you know i don't know i mean it's just

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People don't really put money into videos that much anymore. So even if you see one from a band you like, you're not necessarily prone to push play. But people were talking about this on Twitter, up to and including, I think the one that finally made me go look at it was Kirk Hammett. It was like, holy shit, the new Anthrax video is insane. So I highly recommend it to people. It's definitely for horror movie fans should watch it. It's also just really atmospheric. I like the Skull King thing. It's good. It's a good video.

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It really kind of completed the song for me. I mean, I've listened to the song half a dozen times already, and I liked it, but putting it in this context and just watching while listening to it, it sort of rocketed up to my favorite song on the album right now. Yeah, yeah. So also, in Anthrax-related news, in the first week of sales, they were projected to do 20,000 to 30,000 copies. Just not bad. Not bad for this day and age. Good for them.

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I wonder where that placed it on Billboard. Yes, I feel sure we'll find that out right quick here. Like tomorrow or something. I'm not sure when the week begins and ends with Billboard. But it's got to be pretty high. That's like a lot of records for today, as you know. It is. So as a touring musician, Dave Lombardo has joined Suicidal Tendencies somewhat temporarily, I assume. He's touring with them for a tour. They've got booked with another pretty big metal band. I can't remember who it was.

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So that's epic then. Yeah, I just can't remember that story. But interesting. Interesting to see. First of all, Dave's got to earn a paycheck. So there you go. I like Suicidal Tendencies. I like the modern incarnation of them. As a matter of fact, I don't know that they're going to put out a record I care about. But I saw them a couple years ago with, I think it was with either Machine Head or Heaven and Hell. It was like Heaven, Hell, Machine Head, and Suicidal Tendencies or something. I can't remember. It was weird. Yeah, I've never seen them. I'd like to see them. You know, they were great. They were fucking awesome, dude.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, they're just a weird... So, anyway. Good for Dave. He's got a little paycheck coming in. And that's also a band I happen to like. So, I think I'll go out of my way to see them if they come through. Sweet. So, Leif Edling of Candlemas has a new project that he's... I don't know if he's working on or if it's getting ready to come out. I didn't quite get that out of the article. But the project is called The Doomsday Kingdom. So, it sounds like more happy stuff from Leif. There's a little sound. You can hear some of it, too.

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There are vocals on it now that I think about it. It's good. It sounds like it's a slightly more retro doom than he's been doing lately. Yeah. And it sounded wicked and heavy and just insanely good, actually. I'll be looking forward to this one. He said it was stuff that got him through a really depressing time, so I expect it'll be pretty depressive. Yeah, pretty dark stuff. Speaking of depressing, dark, doomy stuff, apparently Obsessed are back and working on a new album. Yeah, why no? Why no?

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Why Not Right? As far as I know, based on what I read, he's like the only person, it's just like Wino and then like some new people. Oh, is that right? Okay. He just went through some meth withdrawal phase or something. I don't know if you remember that. He was doing some shows that might have been with St. Vitus. Yeah, well, didn't he like get arrested or deported from Russia or something? Exactly. Something like that. I mean, not exactly. I don't remember the exact details, but it was something like that. So good for him. I mean, he's got to be pretty old now. Yeah, he's got to be.

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So we'll see.

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And I have to be perfectly upfront and say not the hugest fan.

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I know Wino stuff.

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I tried out various bits and pieces, and some of it I like, and some of it I don't.

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But I should think some people out there will be interested to hear that.

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Excellent.

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So the band Tokyo Blade is reuniting their Night of the Blade lineup for some European shows.

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And it's kind of funny that this just came up, because when Buk and I were in the car yesterday, he got his first taste of Tokyo Blade.

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Yeah, we started Spotify.

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And that's why I like the streaming music services. When you can type in one name and fall down the rabbit hole to all these obscure bands. What did you think? The vocals were amazing. It's that early thrash sound. When a lot of it's cookie cutter. But this Tokyo Blade, the vocals were really cool. Night of the Blade. Shoot, my hand to God. I'm not making this up. I was on a family vacation and we were driving to Florida or something. We stopped in Atlanta for some reason.

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And I had the occasion to go into a record store in Atlanta and I bought Ride of the Lightning, Man of War's Into Glory Ride, and just trying at a random throw at the wall, I bought Tokyo Blade, Night of the Blade. And liked them all, but I was pretty obsessed with that record for a while. It's a great record. You really need to listen to that one from start to finish. I love how you guys remember these things. Because I was telling George, I made the comment, I don't know how many guys my age,

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and younger are diving real deep, you know, finding Tokyo, Blade, you gotta, you can't just scratch the surface on Spotify to find it. You really gotta do some deep. Yeah, look hard, yeah. But it's really cool stuff. That record is like a mix. It's sort of like, it's kind of maiden-y in place. It's definitely New Wave of British Heavy Metal stuff. But then it's also got just a couple of like, almost Def Leppard-y kind of power ballad-y type things. I don't know how to explain it, but I mean, it don't sound like Def Leppard in any real way. But there's some songs in there, like a

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A.W.I.

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And he was like, he had gone into the store and I queued it up. And when he came back into the car, I started playing it. And he's like, huh. He's like, that guy sounds familiar. And I was like, oh yeah? What's he sound like? And he's like, he sounds kind of like early Bruce Dickinson. I was like, well, that's because it is early Bruce Dickinson. His name in Samson was Bruce Bruce. Yeah. Was it really? Yeah. Yeah. It was one of the things Rod Smallwood, when he joined there, there's a famous story in the old documentary.

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And he says he joined the band and he said two things. He said, first of all, you got to change your name from Bruce. What's your real name? Because that's a stupid fucking name. And the other thing was he said he gave him 100 bucks and told him go buy a fucking leather jacket. Nice. Yeah, so George said we're not in memory lane last night and it was fun. It's cool. You just start going to one band and you're like, hey, what's related? What's related? Just that somebody broached this subject with KK Downing recently in an interview. He's been doing it. He actually does a lot of not necessarily social media,

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stuff. But he's been doing this series of videos lately that for some reason have been popping into my view where he's talking about his guitars and stuff like that. His cologne. His cologne, that's correct. He does talk about that. And somebody in a sort of brief interview with him asked him, what would his thoughts be on ever playing with Judas Priest again? And up until now, he's just said things like, I'm done. But suddenly he's sort of saying, yeah, I'd be open to that. It would be a great experience. I love the guys, so on and so forth.

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But it's just called this a pre-pre-pre-pre story. Usually when people go back, this is how it starts. So we'll see. And Judas Priest, if you ask me, there's not much gas left in that tank anyway. But KK was such an important and visual part of that band that I would like to see him. They should end with him being there. So I guess there's hope for that if it's something you hope for. The next news story, I ran into a story online from Rolling

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I can say.

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It's in the print magazine as well. I have to check that out. I'd like to read that. I know you'd like it, George, a lot. I know you'd like it. So it's funny that I actually saw Slayer last night because I put this on the script a couple days ago. Apparently, Kerry King said that Metallica and Iron Maiden are living on past success. And Slayer isn't? And what about you, Kerry? What about you? Yeah, sometimes Kerry King needs to just zip. I think so. Because

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I mean, Iron Maiden's catalog is so much deeper and more profound than Slayer's, and I love Slayer, but they have less records that are deeply meaningful to me than Iron Maiden does. True. And they're still making records, so say what you want, Kerry, and it doesn't even matter if you don't like them. Living off of your past is simply giving up on making records and doing retro tours, which is what Maiden refuses to do. Yeah. And Slayer arguably has been doing for the last, well, since whenever World Plane of Blood came out. Yeah. How often are they doing records?

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It's like every five years at best now

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Yeah

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They're almost on a metallic

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Well, metallic

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It used to be on a five-year schedule

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Now they're on like

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Every eight to ten-year schedule

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Yeah, yeah

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But you know what

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Kerry, just shut up, dude

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Shut up, Kerry

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Just play your damn guitar

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Yeah

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Hey, speaking about Gary

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Did he use his blood guitar last night?

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You know, I didn't notice

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I forgot all about that

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Did we talk about the blood guitar

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A little bit on the show?

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We did

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But I haven't seen it

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So I don't know

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Was it or not

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Yeah

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Anyway

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Last new release, Avatar is getting ready to release their new album, Feathers and Flesh, on May 13th. A lot of people may not care, but I'm kind of curious about it. I kind of like their last album, Hail the Apocalypse. It was kind of cool. Kind of commercial, but yeah, whatever, you know. I don't know, George. Is this an old, old, old school band that is like releasing music now? No, they're... I forget where they're from. The name kind of rings a bell, but I got nothing to go on. Avatar is a Swedish band. Their first album came out in 2006.

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Their last album came out in 2014. And I mean, they get lumped in like Slipknot kind of stuff because they're heavy and I think they sound good, but they also play much like Slipknot on like tours and festivals that aren't exactly metal, that are a little more new metal or something. Okay. So they're being lumped in with the wrong crowd in other words. Well, I mean, technically, no, I just think of that crowd, they're actually kind of okay. Okay.

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I buy that. So anyway, that's coming out. I haven't heard anything from it yet, so I can't comment, but I'm looking forward to it. Let's move on to new releases. Let's call it new release this week. Exactly. There's only one, and there's only one person to talk about this one. I like how you say that, that, oh, there's only

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One. You guys aren't going to listen. There can be only one. You guys aren't going to listen. I have no problem saying that. This is the new release from Killswitch Engage, Incarnate. Have you heard it? Have they played anything off it yet? They have played the first single off of it. That's all I've heard. How bad is it? Just kidding. Just kidding. Jesse is back in the band. This band for me, like I've mentioned in previous episodes,

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are one of my favorite bands. Call them metalcore, call them shit, call them crap, call them whatever you want to call them. They've been one of my favorite bands. Very accessible, but I think they're one of the best bands doing what they do today. So I am looking forward to this. Their last album was a little too much commercial with Jesse Back. Because their first self-title with him was, my God, I've listened to it. It made my list of top albums in the last 15 years.

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This is a really uninformed question, Duke. It shows how uninformed I am. Are they still big? Are they pulling people? Yep. They're still one of the big bands. Still doing big tours. They're almost kind of like... I know it's not metal, but this is a good example to prove my point. Seven Dust. When you're like, what do those guys have to do anymore? What have they done recently? But they still continue to...

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Exactly. They can fill a place. And more power to them. Keep their career going and make their house payments. Yeah, so no problems with me on this. I'm looking forward to it. George and I can go round and round about these guys. And George doesn't like them. I love them. I don't really have anything against them. They just don't do anything for me. Speaking of things that don't do anything for people, why don't we do something we haven't done in a while, and that's

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Puyo.

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he now feels the same way so two out of three metal heads agree that the new anthrax album is fucking awesome so and i was you i had i was really cautious about it you know like i was i kind of didn't i have to be honest with you i kind of didn't like it at first i was like so i here's here's my best advice or no my best sales pitch i should say which is you really do kind of kind of forget what you know and love about anthrax as lame as that sounds with a band with a

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as many albums as they have with the history that they have you just can't do that

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well but here's my yeah but there's a follow-up to that which is i mean it is clearly anthrax so it's not

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that it's not like they sound like a hundred and ten percent different band it sounds a lot more like

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anthrax than uh sound of white noise did sorry greg all that's yeah sorry greg oh greg got dissed yeah um but i think but they i think once you kind of settle into it buke you'll realize it's a totally anthrax record it is it's just not as you're walking close to it

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It's like from a distance your eyes are a little blurry you don't quite get it but once you're standing right next to the thing like really dude it is interspersed with some classic anthrax riffing. Joey sings his balls off. You liked in the Joey sings his balls off. But the thing is In the End was the minority of last album. But you loved it didn't you? In the End was the best song on the album. What? I thought you loved it. In the End is a good song. In the End is not the best song on the album. That's not what

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You told me once

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No.

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The best song on the whole album is The Devil You Know

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Or Fight Him Till You Know

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We both go me at the same time

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Hell on Earth

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The Devil You Know

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Fight Him Till You Can't

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I like Fight Him Till You Can't more than Devil You Know

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I think we can get you into this record though, Buk

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I think

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Anthrax

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On worship music, all the songs are like

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Like Anthrax

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Yeah, but not all songs have to be fast

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You can't hold them to a standard of what they have to be all the time.

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But I like anthrax.

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So this is anthrax.

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But I also think that this record is deceiving you in a way.

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Because I think it's faster than you realize.

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There is some pretty fast stuff on there.

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It's just, you know, you went through it once.

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We all went through it once and we weren't sure and didn't think we liked it.

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You really need to go through it two more times.

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I agree.

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Two more times.

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And if you honestly go through it two more times and still don't like it, I don't know what to tell you. I'm sorry, Judge, go ahead. Yesterday, I made, you know, usually we give them a couple songs to listen to. Yesterday, I made him listen to Monster at the End, Blood Eagle Wings. I want to throw Suzerain in there. He should be listening to that. Yeah, Defend Avenge. And I, you know, Evil Twin is also really good. And Fast. And Suzerain is Fast. But guys, this is a thrash band. I think this is a thrash band. They play, Jay, you're crazy.

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You are ridiculous. Wait, wait, wait. So the youngster's going to tell the guys from the Thrash era what Thrash is? No, I'm not saying that. George was trying to say earlier on, like the first, I'm pulling it up here on Encyclopedia Medellum. George was saying that the first tracks, like You Gotta Believe and Monst... What did you play first, George? First song I played to you was Blood Eagle Wings, actually. Okay, I was listening to it again last night when I was playing. You Gotta Believe

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and then Monster at the End were just boring. They're just so... Monster at the End is one of my favorite songs. It's got such a killer chorus. You know what? You know what this record is, Buk? I'm going to put it, and maybe this will be one thing that will help you approach it, but you are basically describing Injustice for All right now. That's not a thrash record. Isn't that your favorite Metallica album? It is. Well, fuck you. You can't like that because it's not thrash. And they've kind of made a similar transition here, but with Bruce Dickinson,

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I just thought of it I think

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why my not instant

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connection where that comes from right now

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is worship music

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I think with this album

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the songs aren't catchy off the start

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at least for me personally

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no that's why you have to go

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it's a definite grower

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by the third time through

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you are familiar enough with it

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that the hooks become apparent

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and then once they've got those hooks

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in you they're there

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Yeah, worship music, can you guys give me that? That was catchy right from the start. Immediately. Not the whole album, though. You know, when I listened to it the first time, I go, this is a good record, but it took repeat listens for something like In the End or some of the other songs to grow on me, even though I knew it was a good album. And partially because it's not that they're not hooky. They're not hooky in the way, and I don't even mean like the quality, but in the same way that Anne Thrax maybe previously was on worship music, which, and I do agree with you, Buk,

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Worship Music hit me right off the bat. I was just like, holy fucking shit, what the hell? Anthrax is back. This one is a more, I think it was a ballsy move after Worship Music. Yeah. Because they could have just come out and tried to do Cotton Mosh over and over and over and shit like that. But they've evolved. They've evolved. You know what? Somebody here on Encyclopedia Metal, I'm giving a review, Morbert, says, For All Kings is a lot more cohesive than Worship was. Worship was mostly written in a period when Anthrax was clearly unshung

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of who they actually were or planned to become. And the album sounded like it. A mixed bag. Honestly, only a handful of standout songs that stood the test of time, like Fight Em, I'm Alive, and In The End. Frog Kings has more in common with the principal idea behind spreading the disease when it comes to combining fast material with more slower and melodic material. And you know what else I just remembered? Worship music was not written for Joey. It was written for the other guy. Yeah, they kind of did.

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first album written with Joey in mind.

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So this is this and this is an accurate and accurate note.

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I think this from Jake editors notes on the description of the album on iTunes.

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For all Kings feels like a gushing love letter to the days of classic heavy metal when teenage headbangers carved Iron Maiden into their school desks.

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There's certainly plenty of scowling thrash to be found on you got to believe in evil evil twin.

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Yet the band nimbly counterbalances snarling aggression with Joey Belladonna's soaring vocals and the dizzying

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Dizzyly melodic fretwork of Scott and the new guy. When Anthrax launched into All Them Thieves, it doesn't feel like a song so much as a triumphant march to the top of the mountain. And it's that first sentence, though. I really feel like this is everything they love about heavy metal across the board. And it works. Do you think this does me a disservice that Worship Music, while I had the Anthrax catalog already, Worship Music is when I really dove into the band? No.

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No, because I think a lot of us... Because you guys have a history with Anthrax. It's a love-hate history, in all honesty. I have to tell you, all their records are kind of jumping around in places. And I say it is love-hate for me, because Among the Living is a great record. But if you go back and look to it, it's not produced that well. They're making better records now, is what I'm trying to say. Yeah, the old stuff is classic, but the production is just horrible. I mean, I've never really liked... Until Worship Music, I really never liked the production on anything.

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It didn't reach the quality of the records

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or the quality of the writing

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So even to what you say is true, Buke

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I only had

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I had most of the Anthrax records

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minus the John Bush era

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I had all of them

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And the summer

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Among the Living came out

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the year that Master of Puppets did

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and I spent the whole summer

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just listening to those two records

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But then Anthrax kind of lost the plot

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a little bit after that

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slowly, you know?

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I like State of Euphoria

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It's got some cool songs on there

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Yeah, it's good

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It's a good follow-up

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And even Persistence of Time

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I just think they're a more realized

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fully realized band now

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I think for all kings

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it's the completed

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evolution

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the butterfly has fully left

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the cocoon now

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and spread its wings

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and it is glorious

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and they completely

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cut Joey loose on this one

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it's the fucking Joey show

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if you've seen Joey's Balls

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please call 555 Joey's Balls

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but guys

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more thrashy, catchy anthrax.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But it's in there.

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I think you, I really think, Buk, you need to, I think you need to give it three full, three full listens from this point forward.

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Again, I will talk about this during vinyl.

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But again, my hard-earned money, I have my two-year-old right here.

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I trust you boys, okay?

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I need to go pick it up myself.

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I trust you guys so much.

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This is the vinyl, okay?

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It's pretty.

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My contribution to convincing, short of the things we've said already, is I'd really like to see you give it three listens. And they don't all have to be consecutive or the next day or whatever. But I was unsure as late as listen three. Listen four, I was like, okay, I'm starting to get this. And listen five, I was like, this is fucking awesome, dude. My point that I first brought up when I sent that gif of that deflating mascot. Yes. On coming off of worship music, on first listen. Yeah, you were shocked. Yes.

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And I don't blame you guys. Give me that. The first listen, it was kind of a letdown, right? Yes, it was. And that's why you should believe us, because we felt the same way. And we feel that if you give it more time, you'll come to, you'll be brainwashed like we are. Well, let's put it this way. You've been, you know, the last anthrax experience you have is cramming worship music into your ears, rightfully so. So it's just like, you know, running somewhere or doing something or watching a scary movie or something.

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When you switch gears, the next thing you watch is like, you know, you're a little desensitized to it or something. Or you're expecting something else. I said that really poorly except to say, you gotta let this record tell you its own story. You can't. George gave this album, you know, the death sentence last night. Heading to the record store. Do too. Album of the year so far. No, I didn't say that. I said top ten. He said top ten. It'll be in my list. It'll be on my list. That's about all I can really say. Because after I said that,

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I did realize there are a lot of really cool albums coming out this year. So maybe not top 10, but maybe. Well, I mean, I've got three records right now that I know are on my list with all due respect to what's coming out, you know, and they could knock all three off and Anthrax is one of them without question. I mean, it's one of the records I'm spinning right now and spinning over and over. So submit to our will. Well, I don't mean will. Well, I mean, I think we both agree that it was a grower.

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and that you're going to have to invest in it. But if you do, you might be very, very pleased. Do you like that with an album? Do you like where an album has to be an investment? Sometimes, because sometimes, and not exclusively or always so, those are the ones that are the richer experience. Ahab. Can I say that? Ahab? That's perfect. Ahab was a definite grower. And once you're there, once you're in the world of that album, in a lot of cases, you're like, fuck. And I think it's because it is. It's more complex than just they put some thought into it.

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It doesn't always work that way

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Alright, cool

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Next time we'll talk to Buk and see if he's

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changed his mind at all

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Alright, let's do our top three

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What's your top three?

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What's your top three?

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What's your top three?

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This time

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when Buk and I were in the car

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yesterday I was

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We were racking our brain going, man, we gotta, you know, it's the day before the podcast, we gotta come up with the top three. And Buke rattled off a whole bunch of band names, and one of those was Voivod. And I was like, can you do top three Voivod? And he's like, yeah, I can do top three Voivod. So we're like, Jay, can you do top three Voivod? And Jay's like,

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45 episodes in. Please help us. If there's a top three you want to hear, suggest one. Reach out on Twitter at MetalheadsPod, at DiscipleOVMetal, at OPEFFFAN, at CatatonicJ on our Facebook. Reach out to us. We're having a hell of a time coming up with them. Share your suggestions because we have so many episodes we can't think. And honestly, like George and I said yesterday, there's a bunch of bands we can mention. And after the initial three, you're like, what else is there?

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There's not even much to pick from. Yeah, if a band has four or five albums, what's the point of doing top three? Yeah, and it's not that we like doing them. It's fun to make lists. That's what loving a thing is all about sometimes. But yeah, we're running out of ideas, so help us out. Yep. All right, well, let's get into this one. Jay? I feel like I'm going to disappoint you, George. I'm almost sure of it. All right, well, I'll give you my disappointed look now. I was so concerned that I would. I was like, he's going to think these are the three stupidest

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But be that as it may, they are the ones that I like the most. And this one I think might be the most shocking of the three. And it is the self-titled debut, even though he went on, I think, only to do one more with them, that they did with Jason Neustad. The just Voivod or Voivod self-titled album. And I love that record. I was really obsessed with it when it came out and played it over and over and over. So that's my number three. Jay, I'm so disappointed in you. No, that's fine. That's cool. It's a good album. My number three.

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three. Maybe George's number one, Killing Technology. This is one of the first ones I think George started with. It's not the first one, but the first side that would make up the tape, Killing Technology, Overreaction, Tornado, killer. Fucking great, yeah. Buke, I'm so disappointed in you. Let's just get a little sound bite going. No, actually, we are on the same page there. My number three is Killing Technology. Oh, nice. George, again, George puts up his poker face when we do these top three lists. Oh, yeah, I know. Jesus.

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and makes it painful for you.

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Well, that stated, I feel a little better about myself because my number two is Killing Technology.

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Okay, Jay.

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I'm not disappointed anymore.

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Things are coming back around here.

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And I'm wondering if my number one is going to at least make it somewhere on one of your lists because it is a great record.

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So we'll see.

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So Killing Technology, number two.

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All right.

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Puke, number two.

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Number two.

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I'm pulling it up here on my list.

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Dimension-ness or Dimension Hatros.

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Hatros.

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Yeah, actually, I don't know if that's right either.

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I always call it Hatros.

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Trial Convictions, Brain Scan, Psychic Vacuum.

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Yeah, that was battling me for my number three.

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I was like, I kind of erased it, and I was like, Killing Technology.

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And I was like, wait, no, no, Dimension.

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Wait, no, no, no, Killing Technology.

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So, yeah, I went with Killing Technology.

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But my number two, some people probably won't agree with this.

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I have a feeling that Godless will probably agree with me here,

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except it might be his number one.

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But Angel Rat is my number two. That's a divisive record for them. A lot of people don't know where to put it. It's probably their most commercially accessible album, but it's really good. I mean, it's just so good. I love it. I love that album. Okay, so here's the weird thing. I was like one step out of line with Buke through this list, and my number one is Dimension Hatros. Okay, then. It's a good choice. I still allow you to retain my non-disappointment.

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Well, I felt the reason I was worried about that was because, I mean, I'm not sure what you will have chosen. I guess we'll find out soon enough. But the true, true lovers of this band are going to be throwing things like Angel Rat and Nothing Face Out and stuff like that. As I say, the true, true lovers of this band. I don't dislike them. I like them a lot. But I'm more inclined to just choose their more sort of metal shit. Zing it. Yeah, you know what I mean? Mike has come up on the pod here before. Not the band, but

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the album Nothing Face. There it is. This was my first introduction to George. I guess that plays a part into it because, you know, George took my hand. This is what we started with. Yeah, and that's my number one as well, Nothing Face. At the end of that story, I assumed it would be. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, Nothing Face is actually one of my all-time favorite metal albums. I would probably place it in the top ten. Not that we're ever going to be crazy enough to do that.

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Just that album has so much meaning to me that the music alone, aside from the music, just the importance in my personal life to this album cannot be understated. Doing some research for this list, George, a lot of people still, it seems, don't get Voivod. No, of course not. I think you're right. Why do you think that is? They're not doing anything crazy. No, I think it's partially the vocals. I've got to be blunt, personally. But George, do you speak on it?

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Well, to reference one of my albums from last time, from Ludacris, most people are dicks. No, but yeah, I mean, they're not an easy band to listen to sometimes, because Piggy used to throw in a lot of dissonant chords and things. I used to have a friend who would always go, it's the Voivod chord. Yeah. He was a weird dude. I mean, in a good way, he had a strange vision. Yeah. And, you know,

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Snake's vocals are kind of curious because early on they were very rough. By the time we get to Nothing Face and Angel Rat, he was actually singing quite well, I thought. But also kind of punky. Yeah. But then after Outer Limits, Snake left the band. They did a couple albums with another guy. I think his name's Eric. And then he came back again and he didn't sing like that anymore. And I was like, what's up with that? I mean, you know, it was cool.

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I was just happy to have Voivit back, but I was kind of curious as to why he doesn't sing like that anymore. And Target Earth, he's starting to sort of head back in that direction again, so I'm like, all right, we'll see. Right on. And the new EP as well. Yes, exactly. Cool. All right, what are we listening to?

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What a military show

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I'm going to keep it simple. I kind of mention the same stuff a lot, but I'm really listening to the shit on all three of these records. Riding Christ Rituals, still loving that one. Probably the one I'm listening to the most. Destroyer 666, Wildfire, totally into this record right now. And finally, but really not least, For All Kings. Mixed in with all the usual shit I listen to. What do you listen to, Buke? I have continued to

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Listen to the Ex Mortis nonstop. But we got a couple promos in that I wanted to mention. And I passed on one at the record shop yesterday. Not ever seeing the album art and not realizing what it was until I got back home. I've been listening to Magic Circle and their album Journey Blind. You didn't pick that up, right? No. Yeah, I passed on that too. When I first heard that album, I was like, ooh.

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And then it came out and I wasn't as excited about it anymore. Really? I'm not entirely sure what the problem is. I need to go listen to it again. It's a little bit of trouble. It's Black Sabbath sound. A little bit. A little. Something about it caught my ear the first time. So I need to figure out what that was. The other one I've been listening to, this is like a blend of atmospheric and folk. This is a band Soon. Oh yeah. And the album

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Volume 1 and 2.

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This is Volume 1.

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Soon, Volume 1.

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Right on.

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That's what I'm listening to right now.

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All right.

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Well, this is normally the part of the podcast where the guys go take a break,

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go get a sandwich, what have you.

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But I'm sorry to disappoint this week.

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I only have one.

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What?

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And it's actually one that was on last week's list that I forgot to mention.

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Fuck.

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I feel like I don't even know you anymore.

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The Podcast will end. This is the last episode ever. George finished the internet, as they say. Yeah, well, I just didn't come up with anything new this week. That's because you're stuck on For All Kings, baby. Yeah, I was listening to that a lot. And I mean, I listen to some older stuff. Like you do. Yeah, you know. I listen to some Old Man's Child. And what else? I listen to some more Pile of Priests and a little bit of Royal Thunder. Oh, you know what? Let me give those guys a shout out.

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I have been listening to Powell Priest since we interviewed him to more. I did check him out beforehand. Great stuff. I listened to the last Shamash album again to get excited about their new album. You snuck that in and you're not going to fan. One of my most anticipated titles, George, for that new Shamash. Can't wait. What's the matter, Buk? You snuck in to Royal Thunder. I wanted to make that. You wanted to celebrate that for a minute. I just moved on real fast from that one. Royal Thunder. The one that I didn't mention last time that I want to mention this time

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is a band called Greenleaf and their album Rise Above the Meadow. I'm not sure how to classify this. It's kind of like a more spiffy Stoner Doom album. It had to either be Stoner Doom or folk metal, which I know you don't really listen to. Yeah, so you've heard this. No, I haven't. I just assumed that you, going by the title, I was like, okay, this is either Cornicloppy or Fucking Sleep. It's, I don't know, it's kind of catchy, relatively clean vocals.

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But it's reasonably well produced. It's not all fuzzy and crappy sounding. So I don't know. It's kind of cool. Check it out. Greenleaf. Banking up, obviously. Let's do our classic albums. Classic album. I went with...

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What did I go with? I wrote it down here. Oh! I think I did a Death record a while back, but I've never mentioned this one, and it's really a great record. The Sound of Perseverance by Death. Ah, yes, the last one. Yeah, it's great. It's great. It's kind of a weird mishmash of a lot of stuff. It's kind of a long record. It's got a really killer cover. I just bought the shirt for that album because it was kind of cool looking in the picture. And then I got it, and I'm like, it just doesn't sit right at all. It just doesn't hang right. I'm like, the logo's kind of big and weird. Oh, gotcha.

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Yeah. All right. Death. Excellent. You got a classic this week, Buke? Yep. I think this is where Max jumped the shark on his last metal album. But this is Nail Bomb, Point Blank. Oh, yeah. That was a great album. Yep. Awesome album. I haven't listened to that in a long time. I don't think he's been metal really since this, like he was at this time period. Yeah. Cool. Yep. This is Max and Alex Newport, their project. That guy never stops working, though, does he? Really? He's a dynamo. Yeah.

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the show last night. It was a dude standing next to me. I was like, yeah, it looks like Max. No way. It obviously wasn't. Because we all know he lives in San Francisco. That's right. So my classic this week is one that just celebrated its 20th birthday. Well, actually, it may not officially. This year, it will celebrate its 20th birthday. And this is the classic Down by Sentenced. Nice. Which has been spun at this house recently.

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I was telling George that our Sergey, our bass player, has been somewhat just spontaneously burning sentence records and giving them to me on CD. I don't know why he was doing it. I don't know if he does listen to the podcast sometimes, and you guys talk about them all the time. Yeah, I asked Jay the other day, I was like, have you listened to them much? Because you really ought to. And it's funny, too, how they were so far off my radar, in all honesty, you know, kind of lived my life not knowing about Sentenced. You guys were the ones who really put them on my radar. I just stumbled across them one day in Tower Records in Michigan,

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in the late 90s. It was one of those, I'm in the store, I want to buy something, I want to buy something, what can I buy? And there was just nothing. It's like I had it all or they just didn't have any metal. And I was like, it's on Century Media, guess it's metal. Kind of a boring album cover and what the hell, Sentenced, what kind of name is that? Sentenced. I was expecting something really bad. It's like Catatonic Society or something. No.

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some really bad death metal or something. And I was like, fuck it. I bought it. And it just blew my mind. And so, you know, I don't know how else you would find out about them, really. Yeah, it'd be easy not to. It'd be easy not to. Yeah, you'd prove that. Vinyl Purchases, boys?

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Starts with me.

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We haven't been a lot of times since we spoke last,

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so I've only got two to mention.

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Destroyer 666, as mentioned.

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Really obsessed with this record now.

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Got Wildfire.

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And after the Twisted Sister documentary,

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I was all freaked out on them,

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so I went and found a copy of Live at the Hammersmith Odeon.

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Double Vital Live, great set list.

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It has songs from Stay Hungry, but that are not the focus of the live show, really. So I think it might have been slightly pre-Stay Hungry. I'm not sure when the show was. But it was right when Justice Sister was really kind of at their apex of kicking ass. Excellent. What about you? I know you picked some stuff up. Yeah, I actually can't wait. I was looking forward to when we got to this segment yesterday because I had a damn it, Jay, I'm a little crying baby moment at the record store yesterday. So we walked in the record store and yesterday was your birthday. Again, happy birthday.

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Thank you.

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talking to you. So I'm like, oh, I would have grabbed that. But this is an older album, not the new one. Yeah, not the new one. This is Unchained to Wolves. Which is their first record, actually. So George being the nice friend that he is because he bought so much by himself. He's like, here, do you want this? I'm like, yes. Let it not be said that I do not have mercy. That's Soundgarden. To wrap that up yesterday with a good friend, with a good day with my friend, I got Ex Mortis Ride 4th. I got a nice copy of Isis,

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and Nopticon based on our discussion a couple weeks back. There's a song in there called, actually go ahead, I'm going to tell you there's a song you got to listen to, but go ahead, do your thing. Doomed AD, their new one, Dead Dawn. I got Anthrax for all kings. I got a real nice package. Of a record I hate. Exactly. Like a deluxe edition. Here it is, came with a little slip mat. Yeah, it's beautiful dude. Gorgeous little slip mat. I'm pissed that I'm the one that likes it. Hey, it's the guy from the video too. Yeah, I'm pissed that I'm the one that likes it.

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So much and my special edition didn't come with one. Damn it. It's a real nice like marble colored vinyl record. Really nice. So that's what I got yesterday. When you get a chance, you need to put that Pan Ampticon record on and listen to the song Backlit. It's number two. Okay. It's huge. And it's going to sound kick ass in your system. I got it because of you guys talking about it a couple weeks back. Yeah. Cool. Right on. What'd you pick up, George? Okay. Like we said, we went to Soundgarden yesterday, so I picked up a bunch of stuff there.

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I also got the Angelic Process, Weighing Souls with Sand. That was one recommended to me on vinyl by Greg. Thank you, sir. I finally got a copy of Baroness's new album.

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Oh, nice. Was that difficult to run into, George? When it first came out, it was hard to find. It was sold out everywhere. Even Amazon didn't have it. The one that surprised me, so it was probably my favorite purchase yesterday, because I didn't know it was out on vinyl. I'd searched for it before and didn't find it. It says Litany by Dead to a Dying World. Nice, dude. Yeah, that's a great album. Next up, I joined the ranks of the hipsters.

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So I can no longer say I don't have Def Heaven on vinyl. You'll come down off your high horse, mister. I'm so sorry, Neutrino. I'm so sorry. But it gets worse because I also picked up him's album, Love Metal. I like that album. And I also got King Diamond, Abigail 2, The Revenge, finally. Was there some re-releases on that or something?

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It was like a Discogs thing. Oh, was that right? Yeah. Then Buke noticed this one for me yesterday at the store. Got Pale Chalice, Negate the Infinite and Miraculous. I also got Publicist UK, Forgive Yourself. And probably my second favorite purchase of the day yesterday, Seven Sisters of Sleep, Ezekiel's Hags. That's rolling with you still then. Cool. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I like it too. And my final new vinyl, Witchcraft Nucleus. Oh, hey, how are you?

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I never heard what you thought of it. It's definitely heavier than previously. It's kind of a combination of heavy plus the last couple albums. I'm digging that. It's sort of like the way Ghost has started to sound a little more modern in their heavy. It's got a little of that. I just mean in the selection of amplifier more than anything else. It's got a little flute on it too. It's got a little Jethro Tull vibe here and there. Yeah, I totally heard that. I was like, oh yeah.

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Mine is going along with my Twisted Sister theme. This is really actually a pretty deep record, but off of Under the Blade, there's a really great plotty kick-ass song, and they're called Destroyer. I love that song. It's great. Destroyer is in town. There is two different, just sort of incidentally, as they go through the documentary, they play two different versions of that, of them playing it live, and they're both fucking killer. And they don't play the whole song. It's just like them cutting

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from live shows. And I just was reminded how much I like that song. Yeah, that is a very killer song. Okay, this is... I'm doing a double. I'm going a fucking deep album, not liked by a lot, and a deep track off of that album. This is after Sabbath had really run its course with a lot of people. This is off of Tony Iommi's Black Sabbath. You know, Tony Iommi with... Sorry, Black Sabbath with Tony Iommi off of Seventh Star. Whew!

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This is in for the kill. The opening track. You know, I'm not even that familiar with it. I'll be honest with you. Is it a Tony Martin record? Wasn't that the one he did with Glenn Hughes? Oh, yeah, it might be. Right here, in fact. You know what? You had me at Glenn Hughes. Wow. Why is that framed? Is it signed or something? My mother-in-law bought it for me. Nice. Wow. It's signed and everything. Sweet. By just Tony? Or everybody in the band? In fact, it's not signed at all. It's just framed.

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That's beautiful. Maybe a sign in the back. But yes, In For The Kill. I love this album. Awesome. It's not popular at all. It's deep. It's so deep. It's so deep. Both of you guys don't fucking know about it. Oh, Tony Iommi doesn't even listen to it. Yeah. I have it. I bought the vinyl, but I don't really know it. I'm just a completist. Yep. Yeah. That's Black Sabbath. And I can assure you when you see them, they will not be playing this, George. No. Well, that album was supposed to be a Tony solo album, and the record label wouldn't let him do it.

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They fought with them. Yeah. All right. My deep track going back to 1984 from the album Psalm 9. This is Trouble and the Tempter. Yeah, dude. Some early doom. Very early. But well, a lot of the early, early doom that was like really in vogue right when it started to come back, meaning like right when the first Electric Wizard records were coming out and stuff, people talked about, well, Trouble was one of those bands that was just like a cool badge of honor for a long time there. People were talking about as much as they did a few years ago.

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But they have a couple of their early records are really good

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Yeah, and some of the guys from the old days are in a new band now called The Skull after their album of the same name

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Because Trouble's still around in a different incarnation, sort of like Sepultura

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But if you want the real deal, pick up The Skull

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If you want real Trouble

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Yeah

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Go to The Skull

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Exactly

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All right

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Sweet

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Well, that's just about it for this week

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We're gonna in a moment here get into the rest of the interview with Hoth and play you another song but before we do please make sure to check us out on SoundCloud if you haven't updated your feeds and your players you're probably not hearing this so you need to update all those if you want to continue getting the podcasts because the the RSS feed URL has changed Can I ask something of our listeners? Tell a friend, tell a family member, tell a friend please

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We Are Metalheaders.

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So here you go

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Here is the last bit of the podcast

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with Hoth

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We'll see you next time

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Sweet

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Alright here we are at the end of the episode

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and as promised

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we're going to have another song for you

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from Hoth and their album Oathbreaker

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This song is called

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Acolyte of the Tenebrous Night

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Tell us anything about this song

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So this is the song

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We've got a cello intro

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I think that some people

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they listen to it

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and they think that it's

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not real cello

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that you know

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but we actually did

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It's a cello. It's real cello, but we mixed it, so we've got a couple layers there of the cello to sort of give it a more foreboding feeling. And this was the first... Like a cello needs any help, I like that. How could we make the Saturn somehow more funereal? Equalization. Well played, sir. Yeah. So this one was fun. When we started putting our heads together for the new album, this is sort of the

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The first of our ideas, once we had this song down, I think it sort of shaped our direction. We were like, "Hey, this fits right in the middle of where we want to go from our first track to our last track." So this was sort of our anchoring point, if you will, when we started writing the album. We came up with some of the riffs for this, and I think the main riff you hear at the beginning, that's like the first thing that was ever recorded.

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They're like, hey, that's really cool. So that's sort of like, that first riff you hear is the first thing that was ever recorded on this album, and I think it really served as the anchor of where we wanted to go. So it was pretty cool. Yeah, like Eric said, it's a thematic cornerstone of the album, and personally, I think it's the best flowing song, the most cohesive. Cool. And it's also kind of the peak of the album, too, in the hero's story, where he is the most evil and the worst things are happening.

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This song is a perfect example why I despise people who just listen to tracks and not albums. Because if you listen to any of the tracks before this, you miss out on how it flows right into this with that awesome cello opening and stuff. And it's bombastic. How about that word? Because that's exactly how we want people to listen to it.

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That's perfect. I'm glad you feel that way. We wanted the album to be a piece as a whole. We didn't want people to chop it up. I think the type of people that just listen to tracks, it's like if you ordered a pizza and you're like, here's a slice of pizza, and then someone's like, I just want to eat the cheese. I'm going to eat the cheese off of that. That's really weird, man. It sounds like a Seattle thing, though. It's a Seattle thing. Can I just get cheese? They actually deliver pizzas like that in Seattle.

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But yes, gentlemen, this track, it's just the albums building and building and building and then boom. Oh, man. I think maybe us as metalheads, I think that we are still that rare breed that does still listen to full albums. A lot of us. A lot of us. A lot of us. Yeah. A lot don't. Unfortunately, we're getting into some troubling territory now. But, well, that's a story for another day. Hot Topic stays open somehow. Yep. Before we play the song, we want to thank you guys for coming on today.

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And ask how people can hear your music, get a hold of you, and whatnot before. Well, you can find us on Bandcamp, hothmusic.bandcamp.com. We have a website, hothmetal.com. You can find us on Facebook. You can shoot us a message. We usually respond if you're nice. We respond to every dumb message. Yeah, actually, we respond to every single message. Dumb or smart, it doesn't matter. You can message us. They responded to me. They're nice guys. Yeah, and everybody knows you're dumb, so I mean, that's like a beautiful...

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If you want to order the album, we've got it available digital. And we also have physical copies of CDs. And if you order one of those, then it's going to mean that I'm going to have to drive to the post office and stand in line and mail it out to you. So it put me to work. I'm buying some shirts, baby. And we have new shirts. We do have new shirts. David is repping one of the new shirts. It's got the Lich King on it. We have a local artist named Dusty Peterson. He has a website, theartofdustypeterson.com. He's actually going to

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They'll be at Emerald City Comic Con in April. And the guy's a gentleman and a scholar and an artist. And an artist. Yeah, mostly he's a very talented artist. How's the 2X sell out that fast? Are you one of those guys that need a look? In my defense, I can get away with an XL, but they shrink. These new shirts are actually a little bigger than the other ones. I'm wearing a medium and I look like the kid that wore a t-shirt.

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the pool.

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Like it's kind of.

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Hey, I was that kid sometimes.

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Did you get the nipple shave?

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Yeah.

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I would say it's to, inside I knew it was to hide my man boobs.

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But I would tell people I burn easily.

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I have delicate skin, yes.

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When we finish this run, we'll do some more of the 2X and XLs.

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I just bought one, gentlemen.

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So if that can't say enough how much I love you guys.

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Well, we need to get you to the post office, so let's wrap this up here. Seriously, I've been to the post office every week for the past year and a half. I know the lady on the first name Mace is at the post office. That's that fucking Hoth guy. Thanks for having us on here. I also want to appreciate that you guys aren't totally wasted and mumbling all your questions.

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You guys have had where guys come on and they're interviewing you. It's just a shit show. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I don't want to name any names. Just believe it. George here would never. George is such a shit show. Young Arians. Just not to say we haven't consumed a lot of beer while recording a podcast, but not on interviews. But, you know, keep it together, keep it together, keep it together. Well, it's because we have a beer guy who actually comes in with metal beers, and so we got to taste them. You know, what are you going to do? Well, that's awesome. We're a huge beer

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So we approve of that. But you're not slurring your words or falling asleep. So I appreciate that a lot. We don't need to be drunk to do that. This comes out naturally. You know what I like about those guys in Hoth? It's metal. You guys are a blast, man. It was really fun to talk to you guys. Gentlemen, I know this was a couple months in the making, so thanks for sitting down to join us. Absolutely. It was great talking to you guys. And looking forward to hearing the

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The Podcast as a whole. Yep, we'll send you links when it's up. Awesome. Alright, here it is. Acolyte of the Tenebrous Knight.

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Dark tendrils infect his soul His fate is sealed He kills those near that darkness he sought to destroy He comes into one and one He wanted an end to mortality

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What's his sacrifice worth it? The stars will scream and make a new...

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There are no preservatives, they burn the deepest scars of a mind forever lost in the black madness of despair.

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The darkness is revealed, but he is powerless to resist the color of the light.

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His dreams haunt him with visions of that frostbitten eidolon. He is the harbinger of pain of a very sane future.

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The glory sought

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