WEBVTT 00:00:02.840 --> 00:00:26.760 Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, metal's my religion, and yeah, it's my dope. Standing in the thunder on stage in the pouring metal rain. What a feeling, baby, the lights are exploding. 00:00:56.079 --> 00:00:58.400 Hello and welcome to the Metalheads Podcast. 00:00:58.460 --> 00:01:27.520 My name is George. This is Buke. This is Jay. And I'm John. Hi, my name is John. Hi, I'm John. Hello. That's right. John is joining us again because we know that he's a big Wilderun fan. Yes, sir. And we've got an interview for you today with Evan Barry of Wilderun, as I learned it was pronounced. So we invited John along and said, hey, you know. Well, thank you for having me. I appreciate it. That was fun. You're a friend of ours. 00:01:28.920 --> 00:01:54.640 So I want to lead right into this, John. You, as you mentioned in the interview, you said you went to ProgFest. 15th time, ProgPower? ProgPower. Yeah, ProgPower. I always thought it was ProgFest. No, there's some power bands there. I know. So you went there again. You got your 15th Dream Theater tattoo somewhere on you, right? My Dream Theater tattoos are about a decade old now. 00:01:57.640 --> 00:02:26.300 That ship sailed, crashed, and disappeared. Every time I think of Prague, that's who I think of. So how was it this year? Oh, it was great. I go regardless of who's there just because I want to go because I've been going since day one. And I've been a gold badge supporter since day one. Are there many people who have your tenure there? Probably. There's a few. I don't know. Do you see some of the old heads? All the time. Yeah, that's awesome. 00:02:28.180 --> 00:02:32.340 So the first one was done at J.J. Kelly's just south of Chicago. 00:02:33.240 --> 00:02:35.280 And it was like 300 of us in this small bar. 00:02:36.480 --> 00:02:38.820 And he decided to do it again that year. 00:02:39.020 --> 00:02:41.180 Glenn Harvison, this guy's name, who's the promoter. 00:02:41.580 --> 00:02:43.980 But he moved it down to Atlanta because he lives in Georgia. 00:02:44.620 --> 00:02:48.040 And for the people that showed up at the first one, if I remember correctly, it's been a long time now. 00:02:49.200 --> 00:02:51.840 He offered us, you know, you guys can be gold badge members. 00:02:52.450 --> 00:02:54.620 It gives us different privileges, in and out privileges. 00:02:55.280 --> 00:03:24.880 We can buy our tickets, which is a, we have a badge. We get those at a different time. We pay for those. We get other things. We get in early for seats or in early for the vending, stuff like that. Oh, cool. Parks here and there. And every year it's grown and grown and grown, but he's kept the number always a certain amount. And there's, I think, a four-year waiting list to get a gold badge. Oh, shit. It's like their Denver Bronco tickets or something. Jesus. You know what they say about the gold badge? Blood in, blood out. Yeah, you want to leave your gold badge. 00:03:24.920 --> 00:03:45.180 So that happened to me because I've been to every one but the fourth one, which I'm actually pissed I didn't go to that. But I'm also happy. I did something with a friend that weekend. But I emailed him and I said, Glenn, I bought a gold badge. Am I going to lose this if I don't show up? He said, don't worry about it. You paid for it. It's still yours whether you're there or not. I'm not going to take you off the list. And I've gone every year since then. 00:03:45.200 --> 00:03:54.520 So when you were there, we saw Astros of Aries that Friday and interviewed the guys again. You said, guys, you're in for a show. 00:03:54.580 --> 00:03:56.560 they put on the killer show that Wednesday. 00:03:56.930 --> 00:03:57.460 Yeah, they were great. 00:03:57.700 --> 00:04:02.300 Any other highlights, just your overall impression of the, was it three days, four days? 00:04:02.430 --> 00:04:02.760 Four days. 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:03.280 Okay. 00:04:03.500 --> 00:04:05.940 So the main festival is Friday, Saturday. 00:04:06.800 --> 00:04:06.860 Yeah. 00:04:06.970 --> 00:04:11.540 So Thursday is the kickoff and it's a separate promoter, even though it's still under the 00:04:11.960 --> 00:04:12.640 Prague power umbrella. 00:04:13.110 --> 00:04:15.020 And then Wednesday is kind of like a midweek mayhem. 00:04:15.290 --> 00:04:17.280 So it's kind of grown more and more each year. 00:04:17.670 --> 00:04:18.480 I go for all four days. 00:04:19.500 --> 00:04:22.440 So first day is a few bands, three or four bands. 00:04:22.880 --> 00:04:52.340 It was four this year. Thursday's three. And then the main festival, Friday, Saturday, is the one that has like six bands each day. Does the Friday, Saturday stuff, does that start like in the evening? It's not like an all-day kind of thing like Death Fest. Oh, it is all day. It starts, I think, Gold Badge people get in at noon for merch, one into the venue, and I think the first band goes on the other 1.30 or 2. Wow, because around here you can have seven bands on the bill and it doesn't start until 8 o'clock. No, I think the first band still gets, I think, 00:04:52.660 --> 00:05:22.580 An hour. Nice. Wow. Yeah, that is nice. Now, looking at your pictures, John, correct me if I'm wrong here, is it seated? So it's like a, Jay will know what I'm talking about. It's like the Greek theater. Yeah. So it's got the horseshoe seating, and then on the middle is the floor, which is standing. And then, you know, the board's down there and everything. So that takes up a little space. But it's general admission, so you sit wherever you want. There's always a fight every year about people holding seats. But I just happened to sit on that one. 00:05:24.260 --> 00:05:27.040 I just happened to sit there and I was moving up and down the whole night. 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:40.320 You know, one thing, if you've gone every year, that means you were there, I don't know, a few years ago when, honestly, I don't think these guys have played in America otherwise, but Vandenplass was there, which is like one of my favorite vaguely prog bands. 00:05:40.620 --> 00:05:42.380 They've played a few times there, actually. 00:05:43.100 --> 00:05:45.140 Are you a fan of theirs? I like them, by the way, quite a bit. 00:05:45.480 --> 00:05:52.600 Yes, and I think I'm more of a fan of the earlier stuff, even though I, the thing about Vandenplass is that it's quality in terms of, 00:05:52.640 --> 00:06:22.000 of production, musicianship, everything's great about it. Whether I prefer the style of the album is a different thing, but I've always never felt cheated from those guys ever for anything I've ever done. They put out on stage, too. They put out on stage? Yes, they do. Sweet, sweet. Well, they are German. Wow, that is something you don't normally see from a band. I was shocked. I mean, guar, but you know, anybody else, you probably think so. I expect that from them. Really, your money's worth here tonight. 00:06:22.620 --> 00:06:24.420 Well, Christo is one of my favorites. 00:06:24.420 --> 00:06:25.540 Yeah, it's a great album. 00:06:26.460 --> 00:06:34.440 Jay, the beauty of that was that for Gold Badge members, one of the bang perks is that they'll do a Saturday acoustic show only for Gold Badge members. 00:06:34.740 --> 00:06:37.820 So there's like 200 or 300 of us, and I saw them do an acoustic show. 00:06:38.360 --> 00:06:40.400 Yeah, I was following it when it was happening. 00:06:40.520 --> 00:06:47.020 And it was very cool because they played covers, which sometimes I want to, if it's just for fun, I don't care if they do the regular set. 00:06:47.020 --> 00:06:47.820 I want to see something different. 00:06:49.460 --> 00:06:51.260 And the crowd was going crazy for them. 00:06:51.660 --> 00:06:52.020 They were great. 00:06:52.460 --> 00:07:20.900 The highlights of the four days. I know mine would have been Falconer. I watched them a little bit. As I was telling you, I like some power bands. Some I don't. I watched a little bit and I was like, I'm tired. It's late. Anathema had just played before that. I was like, I've been here since. I watched a little bit. Sometimes you realize, like we did at Death Fest, you've got to realize, I have to tap out right now. I usually tap out on the headliners, which is really funny. 00:07:22.480 --> 00:07:26.540 I'm not there to see, although this coming year I'm there to see both headliners. 00:07:26.620 --> 00:07:27.160 Yeah, for sure. 00:07:28.240 --> 00:07:31.460 But no, highlights for me was band Voyager from Australia. 00:07:32.340 --> 00:07:33.760 They're a prog metal band. 00:07:34.980 --> 00:07:37.000 Everyone's been yapping about, oh, they're great, they're great. 00:07:37.560 --> 00:07:37.960 Yeah, whatever. 00:07:38.370 --> 00:07:40.040 Then I saw them, I was like, fuck, these guys are great. 00:07:40.500 --> 00:07:41.720 This is why we bring John in. 00:07:41.780 --> 00:07:44.120 John's our resident prog guy. 00:07:44.390 --> 00:07:47.020 Yeah, he actually talks about bands that I don't know about. 00:07:47.420 --> 00:07:48.040 You're like, Voyager? 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:49.100 Bates the shit out of me. 00:07:49.280 --> 00:07:51.460 Yeah, and I liked them. 00:07:51.510 --> 00:07:52.120 I thought they were cool. 00:07:52.280 --> 00:08:22.220 Ash's areas was great. Armored Saint just crushed their set. Nice. Wow. I would like to say that word I said before, but I'll say this time they were on fire. Oh, fire. As opposed to smoking. No, they were great. Rain or fire. Yeah. And to be fair, John Wither smoked those fires. Exactly. If any of our listeners, I'll throw it out there now, are Prague fans, and I can't speak too much on Prague. It's not like it is Opeth or anything. But John, he's at WhiteCluster60. 00:08:50.900 --> 00:08:51.480 I have. 00:08:52.260 --> 00:09:22.240 Yeah, they sounded great. They still got more. I love them. Yeah. I get sex confused with Raven, who we saw. Uh-huh. But Armored Saint was great, and John Bush actually, there's a setup there where there's handicapped seating. There was a guy in a wheelchair, and Bush saw him. He jumped off the stage and ran up into the stands, put his arm around the guy, and kept singing, which I thought was cool. But then he decided, this is kind of cool, I'm going to stay out here. And he just started going up and down all the aisles and taking pictures with people while he's still 00:09:22.260 --> 00:09:52.220 singing, which was kind of cool. That's awesome. Yeah, and Atham was cool. I'm a big fan of theirs. I prefer the early stuff more than the new stuff. The stuff that's metal? Yeah. Yeah, and that's been evolving for about a decade. And it's amazing to see all the hardcore, doomish fans that are an Atham fans still like the new stuff, which is kind of cool. I know there's going to be the fans that hate it, but yeah. Now, you left. Did you know what the announcement was going to be for next year yet? 00:09:52.260 --> 00:10:22.200 Had you heard rumors or they announced it there? Well, they do. He does Saturday night after the second to last band for the headliner, which was actually Nathbo was the headliner. But the way they set it up since that was Falconer's last show ever, and they claim it really is their last show ever, they gave them the slot. So they got to end it for the evening. In between that period, they do the video. Right. And I was sitting there. Had there been rumblings? Well, yeah, people talk. And I knew. It was like, okay, everyone wants, 00:10:23.160 --> 00:10:48.920 I'm thinking I know that they're Fates Warnings touring in Europe for Awaken the Guardian. He's bringing them. I know they're going to do it. And they do this little kind of tricky thing where the images come on the screen while it's setting up and you can see Fates Warnings sitting right there. I was like, fuck, they're going to play, man. This is going to be awesome. And when it happened, how are you? You're like, oh, because you are a very reserved, you know, quiet guy. I was like a little girl. 00:10:53.120 --> 00:11:21.580 "Swing!" Well, I believe we're all deaf to remember "boing-oing-oing-oing-oing." Exactly! Exactly! And I was like, "Well, I'm in. Regardless, I'm in." And then when they announced Devin Townsend, I'm a huge Devin Townsend fan, and that he's going to possibly bring the Retinal Circus. I was like, "Fuck." Because the former Gathering singer will be with him, which would be cool. So, yeah. Man! A lot of power fans are crying. Not enough power metal bands. Yeah, well... You can't please. 00:11:22.260 --> 00:11:51.720 You can't. It's hard to do. You know, I'm, there's a lot of bands that play at this festival that I'm like, meh, whatever. But as soon as I saw Fate's Warning with John Arch playing all of Awake and the Guardian. It's the same band. I mean, you guys remember, I was like, fucking, I was like a little girl. I was fucking, even my wife was just like, shut up about it. And it's the band, it's the lineup from the album. Yeah. So Frank Oresti's back, you know, because he's sort of not with them, with them kind of thing now. 00:11:52.260 --> 00:12:20.540 So I was like, yeah. I mean, to be perfectly honest, I've been waiting 30 years to hear this. And this is something that I thought I would never hear or see. And so it's really going to be hard to think of something that's physically possible that could top this for me. I've seen all the incarnations of Fate's Warning. I saw the reunion of the Parallels Band. So I saw that. I've seen them on the current band. I've seen Archmotheos. 00:12:22.260 --> 00:12:50.640 The actual real godfathers of prog metal, because they really were. With thrash elements, no keyboards, but they still were really way ahead of everybody else at the time. When the first three albums came out, to me, it certainly wasn't labeled as prog at the time. No, not at all. It was just early 80s metal. I don't even think it was probably called thrash, because thrash wasn't really something that bandied about until after Metallica. 00:12:51.260 --> 00:13:21.040 And even then it was, I always, at least in the Bay Area when I was growing up, it was always speed metal. Yeah. Because it was so fast and aggressive. Right. Yeah. It took me, I was all about speed metal. Thrash came kind of later. I think when Halloween probably came around. Yeah. Where the European speed metal kind of took hold of that form. And then yeah, Thrash kind of took hold in the States. Yeah. And the early metal blade stuff is, you know, when it got to be, after I was out of high school and like in the mid nineties, 00:13:21.260 --> 00:13:49.980 I started getting nostalgic for that sound. Because, you know, after grunge came along, metal just completely changed. And, you know, what was was no longer. Now it was black metal, death metal. And it just wasn't the same. And so I got nostalgic for that sound that I grew up on with, you know, Fate's Warning and Attacker and Warlord and, you know, all those early bands. 00:13:50.060 --> 00:14:19.140 And I was like, man, I wish we could get more stuff like this. And there really wasn't anything at the time until Hammerfall came along with Gloria to the Brave. And when that came out, I was like, holy shit, yes! But then I really just didn't climb on that power metal wagon much after that. I have. You don't talk about it much anymore. Because, I don't know, maybe I'm influenced by you guys. It's just I'm not going out there looking for as much. But also, 00:14:20.060 --> 00:14:49.480 I don't, you know, searching Bandcamp all the time, I'm not seeing that much pop up on Bandcamp and stuff all the time. Yeah, there's nothing going on. And a lot of the power metal now, I like it more your classic, I use this word for lack of a better one, cheesy power metal, like your Blind Guardian, like your Hammerfall, like your Dragon, not Dragon, whatever it is. Dragonheart. 00:14:50.060 --> 00:15:19.980 Yeah, stuff like, you're thinking of, you know what, they think where this thing, Where the Dragon Lies Bleeding. My God, but those bands. Rhapsody. Rhapsody, you know, Rhapsody. Your classic power metal. Now power metal seems like it's shifting into the Sabaton style, a little more hard-hitting. Which I like, because I'm a big Running Wild fan, and, you know, I was always like, more bands like Running Wild, please. And, you know, Sabaton was one of the first bands that actually, 00:15:21.560 --> 00:15:49.960 They're a big time favorite there. That's one of Glenn's big bands. And I didn't watch it. I listened to them out in the foyer area. Not merch, but the food and bar area. Man, they crushed it. I was like, I don't know if I'm into the stuff, but this is really... I would enjoy it just for watching them play. I like more of the vocals, more of your Falconer-style vocals, more Hammerfall-style. Well, in case I didn't mention it and it wasn't clear, I did buy tickets for both the Friday, 00:15:50.080 --> 00:16:19.700 and Saturday shows. Apparently it was smooth process for you. Oh yeah, totally smooth. From what I understand, nobody had problems getting tickets at all. Said no one, right? Yeah, St. Glenn wasn't slightly pissed with being under. He was, yeah. Tell us about it, guys. Who dropped the ball? Ticketmaster. Yeah, on our script here, let's just say it's the Ticket Bastard Power Proc fiasco of 2015. 00:16:20.040 --> 00:16:49.060 Yeah, he was pissed. I don't often find myself in the button-mashing game of trying to get tickets anymore because it's usually not something that's going to sell out or anything like that. But I was so like, I have to go to this. I was there 10 minutes before tickets went on sale, refreshing every 30 seconds just to make sure my clock's the same as theirs. He was there naked, high speed, low drag. He is ready. 00:16:49.120 --> 00:17:19.100 And the tickets went on sale at 10 a.m. on a Saturday. As soon as it flipped over to 10 a.m., I refreshed again. And it was like, okay. And I selected one ticket, please. And it was like, sorry, nothing matches the criteria. And I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no. And so I was like, it 00:17:19.140 --> 00:17:19.800 John and was like, 00:17:20.130 --> 00:17:20.220 ah, 00:17:20.730 --> 00:17:21.339 I knew. 00:17:22.080 --> 00:17:23.360 But you already had one, 00:17:23.500 --> 00:17:23.579 right? 00:17:23.900 --> 00:17:23.959 Yeah. 00:17:24.050 --> 00:17:24.380 Cause I, 00:17:24.579 --> 00:17:24.720 well, 00:17:24.860 --> 00:17:25.120 I haven't, 00:17:25.209 --> 00:17:26.140 I just sent my money in, 00:17:26.199 --> 00:17:31.420 but what's funny about this story is I'm getting messages from George and getting messages from my buddy TR, 00:17:32.280 --> 00:17:32.500 you know, 00:17:32.580 --> 00:17:32.660 like, 00:17:33.050 --> 00:17:33.300 you know, 00:17:33.440 --> 00:17:34.200 what's going on here? 00:17:34.340 --> 00:17:34.520 And, 00:17:35.370 --> 00:17:36.620 and John's just sitting back like, 00:17:36.860 --> 00:17:37.180 no, 00:17:37.540 --> 00:17:39.880 I'm in the car driving to Tyson's. 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:40.180 Okay. 00:17:40.600 --> 00:17:41.900 To go to CXI. 00:17:41.970 --> 00:17:43.040 I went to buy some pounds. 00:17:43.160 --> 00:17:48.200 I'm going to England next week or coming in a couple of days and I'm just ready to buy money. 00:17:48.280 --> 00:18:17.500 And my phone's just blowing up. I'm like, what's going on? I'm like, so I'm on the phone with these guys. I'm exchanging money. And that was a crazy... I'm picturing George going to the Purchase Now button and literally pushing Purchase Now and all the power in the neighborhood going... I was... I mean, I was probably less pissed and more disappointed. Just like, I can't believe it went that fast. I mean, it's not that big a place from what I can see in the pictures. About a thousand people. 00:18:18.320 --> 00:18:47.980 The two day ticket you were trying to buy? Yeah, there's a two day ticket. Is that what everybody normally buys, John? That's the only option. Oh, you have to buy both days. He's had it in the past where it's been single days, but I think he anticipated this was going to sell and it did. It sold fast. Sounds like he's pretty in touch with his fans and very receptive to them. His wife is a social media queen. That's not a knock at all. She really promotes from that end and he works his butt off. They have so many issues with the Visa coming in for bans. 00:18:48.280 --> 00:19:17.860 I think they spend probably 80% of their time dealing with that than they do the festival. Sounds like what Maryland Death Fest has the same thing. Yeah, I'm guessing that those guys have more of a bigger backing to bring these bands in. And he finally had to hire a lawyer to handle this. Wow. And the lawyer is just pulling his hair out too. I mean, they go through a lot of work just to get this done. Yeah. And isn't he like an emergency room nurse or something, this guy? I mean, this is not what he does for living. 00:19:18.280 --> 00:19:48.220 This is all on the side. This is just because he's a metal lover. That's how it started. It would be like you guys putting on the show. I know. We are so not committed. We don't put on a show. I mean, we put on this show, but not a show show. Yeah. So anyway, I'm all bummed out. And John was like, well, get on the forum and see what's going on. Maybe there's a problem. And I'm like, okay, fine. I'll go look. And I went on the forum and I saw like a half a dozen other people that were just like, what the hell? 00:19:48.280 --> 00:20:18.160 It was instantly sold out or something. And somebody was like, yeah, there's got to be a problem going on. So I was like, all right, I'll keep trying. And for like the first half hour, I would periodically refresh, try it again. It wouldn't work. And I'm like, I told my wife, I guess I'm not going. And then I heard from John that the phone lines were working. And I'm like, wait, you can buy tickets over phone? Well, I haven't done that in 25 years. Yeah. Did you have to actually phone the pass to purchase them? Oh, yeah, exactly. I was like, 00:20:19.760 --> 00:20:48.260 I'd like some tickets. I'll go to the Sears Ticketmaster outlet. Yep, I used to camp outside of the Hudson's. I don't know, has anybody heard of Hudson's? That might have been just a Michigan thing. But it was like a Sears or a Pennies or whatever. And, you know, I'd camp out there for Metallica tickets. Ours was Bass Tickets, the original. That's where Ticket Bastard started. You know, when Bill Graham finally got his clutches into what Ticketron, I think it was? And he merged it with Bass, if I'm not mistaken. And then 00:20:48.280 --> 00:20:49.260 It all went downhill from there. 00:20:49.520 --> 00:21:06.480 You know, there was a great years ago, like back when the Michael Keaton Batman movies were coming out, there was a top 10 list and it was the top 10 bad guys in the new Batman movie and like one of them was the Ticketmaster. Which I always thought was so appropriate to do. 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:16.680 So surprisingly, I was all ready to like give a spiel to whoever was on the other end of the phone about man, you know, I don't know, your shit doesn't work, but can I work? It was completely automated. 00:21:17.720 --> 00:21:46.360 That's crazy. I was like, whoa. So I don't even have to talk to anybody. I can just get tickets. Wow, if only there was a computer thing where you could do that. If only I could go through life not talking to anybody. That's what George is trying to do. Yeah, that's why I started a podcast, so I don't have to talk to anybody. Was it just a web issue, long story short? Yeah, it was on Ticketmaster's end. But eventually they did sell out, right? Yep, it is sold out now. It's the fastest sellout they've ever had. Wow. It was nine hours. 00:21:47.300 --> 00:22:17.260 It would have been faster if everything had been running okay. Yeah, probably. John, you mentioned in the Wilderun interview, you saw this first 300-person venue. Do you see them growing beyond this to maybe moving it to similar to a Maryland Death Fest setup where it's maybe outside to incorporate maybe double the amount of people? It's been talked about, and I think he 00:22:18.420 --> 00:22:47.020 prefers the smaller setting. Because I think there was a time when he was ready to call quits. Right. The volume wasn't there. In the last three years, it's just, for whatever reason, it's absolutely exploded. Yeah, he's talked about moving it, but I think he likes the intimate setting. He's been there now since 2001. Wow. Yeah, you know. And you'll see when you get there, it just ends up becoming more of just a big party the whole time. And some people, I don't know if they even go and see some of the bands. John, that's the way we are at Death Fest. It's like, 00:22:47.320 --> 00:22:47.940 - You were just hanging out with your friends? 00:22:48.040 --> 00:22:49.380 - That's how Death Fest was this year. 00:22:49.470 --> 00:22:49.980 - Having a beer, relaxing? 00:22:49.980 --> 00:22:56.900 - Some of the bands I didn't care about, it was like we were hanging out with the Nine Circles guys. 00:22:57.170 --> 00:23:03.300 You know, Dan and Corey, Kevin was there. Just a lot of time it was just hanging out, drinking beer, walking around the tents. 00:23:03.550 --> 00:23:05.280 Even though you had passed them four or five times. 00:23:05.320 --> 00:23:05.860 - Keep going back. 00:23:05.980 --> 00:23:07.060 - Just keep going back, just looking. 00:23:07.210 --> 00:23:08.980 Yeah, just really just hanging out. 00:23:08.990 --> 00:23:15.180 And even if the music was just in the background, you're just there around the environment, just people watching. 00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:15.560 - Yeah. 00:23:16.280 --> 00:23:46.200 Is the crowd an older crowd? It's a mix. Is it? Top to bottom. Okay. There's a lot of guys like myself that are starting to get up there. But I've been there a long time. There's young kids. There's people bringing their kids now. It's across the board, I think. That's cool. That's wild. I sent John a picture the other day. My little brother actually works directly across the street from the venue. So I was like, oh, sweet. I don't know where it is then. There's three venues in that building. 00:23:46.280 --> 00:24:15.600 Really? Yeah. Which is really funny. It doesn't look that big. No, it doesn't. When I saw Ashes Aries in that first night, that was in the top venue. And that holds like 650 people. And you walk in, you wouldn't know it. Then they got a little dinky one that's kind of like a bar setting that holds like 300 people. So safe to assume you and John next year will be doing recording. That's my plan. I'll bring along the recorders. That's assuming John cares to be seen with me. 00:24:16.280 --> 00:24:46.260 He's got friends and all. He might be like, I don't want to be seen with this guy. I'm hanging out with the cool kids. I've probably gone to most of these by myself and hardly talked to anyone the whole time. I talk to people here and there. Then you know what? Then George is your perfect guy to take along. Let's talk to nobody together. So Jay, nothing's changed for next year. Yeah, it'll be fun. It'll be a lot of fun. I'm happy for both of you guys because I know the years 00:24:46.280 --> 00:25:15.980 I've been best friends with George. He's mentioned this numerous times. And I'm happy that my friend. I will. When they play, when Faith's Warning plays, you probably won't want to be standing near me because I'm going to be the guy that's like in tears, fetal on the ground, sucking my thumb, rocking back and forth going, this is awesome! That's okay because I'm old and I'll probably be sitting down watching it. Yeah, I mean, when I saw Archmothéus up in Connecticut when they came, and they only did a couple dates in the States, I think, on that tour. 00:25:16.280 --> 00:25:45.760 And so they did the first two songs with Archmotheos. And then it comes out and John says, we're going to play some Fate's Warning stuff. And you hear that first chord from Awaken the Garden, you're like, oh, man. And they just come out. But that was the Archmotheos band, though. So it was still basically Fate's Warning, just with a different singer. The current version of Fate's Warning. After I got my tickets, I haven't told anybody this yet, but after I got my tickets, my wife had gone out shopping, so I was the only one home. I came downstairs. 00:25:46.300 --> 00:26:12.660 I put Awaken the Guardian on the Sonos, cranked it up, and I was thrashing around the room. I was in tears. That was when I realized I have a lot of issues wrapped up in this album. You have albums that you listen to for various reasons. I think it's the last episode. I mentioned a friend of mine that passed away, Jeremy. The song Guardian specifically reminds me of him. 00:26:16.300 --> 00:26:46.260 up in this album for me and it's just like it's gonna be just amazing to see this it'll be cool it'll be cool to see stuff from all three albums yeah definitely apparition i i want them to play pirates of the underground oh yeah i'd love to hear that you know so yeah all right well now that we've been talking for almost half an hour about the first of our like 50 topics maybe we ought to move on buke went to a show recently uh why don't you tell us about that yes uh will and i went to 00:26:46.260 --> 00:26:47.520 the ghost show. 00:26:47.580 --> 00:26:55.020 Whoa, whoa, whoa. Go back and finish that thought. Yes. You almost said yes, Jay and I, which is nice. You said yes, Jay, Will and I. 00:26:55.120 --> 00:27:11.220 It was a spur of the moment thing. I wasn't even going to be going 12 o'clock the night before I'm at work. I'm like, let me see if I can get leave and just go to the show tomorrow. I'm not so high on ghosts, new album. It's okay. 00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:12.600 I don't understand that. 00:27:13.180 --> 00:27:39.700 It doesn't sound like Ghost. It seems like they're... It sounds more like Ghost than the last album did. Yes, but it still seems like they're trying to be a joke of themselves, if that kind of makes sense. It's hard to describe. It doesn't sound like the first Ghost. It seems too fancy. But I also wanted to bring up a quick point that Will brought up, and I agree with him. The show is kick-ass. 00:27:43.200 --> 00:28:13.160 If this is the only way that I hear Ghost from now on, I'll be totally fine with that. The albums he says are kind of boring. I said, you know, the first one I liked a lot, but they were amazing live. So I just want to bring up that point of that, you know, if I never hear Ghost again, but I see him live, I'll be fine with that. It was a pretty cool show. Papa took off the robes. The second set, they kind of did an acoustic song. They did some of their 00:28:13.780 --> 00:28:17.700 I liked the look when he took the robe off. I was like, that's pretty badass. 00:28:17.870 --> 00:28:26.020 But it's just, you know, Ghost is the crowd that's there for Ghost now. A lot of females there. 00:28:26.080 --> 00:28:32.920 You know, they are almost, and they're not, it's not to their blame, but they're kind of becoming a Hot Topic band, man. 00:28:33.180 --> 00:28:37.800 Very much. And that's how I was trying to describe the music now. 00:28:39.140 --> 00:28:40.560 That crowd is... 00:28:40.560 --> 00:28:42.160 They're becoming very hip. 00:28:42.560 --> 00:29:10.620 But that's because they're melodic and catchy, which is to be expected. But frankly, I think the new album's way better than the first album. I mean... I haven't listened much. It's... You know, the first album was cool because it had that, like, merciful fate kind of vibe, which was melodic and catchy. Second album, they got too... They tried to be a little too creative and weird, and they lost everybody. It wasn't very melodic. It's just kind of weird. 00:29:16.160 --> 00:29:20.520 It's a little cleaner. It's a little more structured and 00:29:21.700 --> 00:29:26.160 Sophisticated than the first album. I love the first album, but oh my god, I mean 00:29:27.360 --> 00:29:32.820 If there wasn't so much other stuff out there, I could easily put this as it's like a top three. It is so good 00:29:33.220 --> 00:29:34.460 You know, it's funny 00:29:35.340 --> 00:29:38.560 Believe it or not. I kind of side with Buke on this. I I listened to it 00:29:38.580 --> 00:30:08.500 I don't like it as much as the first one. And I was listening to a record yesterday that kind of drove home to me. Why? Which is, have you heard In Solitude's sister album? Yeah, I didn't like that one. Oh, you didn't like it? That was the last one, right? I would prefer Ghost. Yeah, Ghost is more like that right now. I'm more into that slightly retro sound. Which is, the new one's still sort of retro. It's just too poppy. Yeah, but that's the point. I mean, that's the whole point of what they're doing is they're taking something that's so, 00:30:08.560 --> 00:30:37.360 It's so accessible. And yet it's evil. And it's evil themed. It's taking Britney Spears or Justin Bieber and turning it into something that, you know, if the fans read the lyrics, they would be appalled. You know, that, oh my God, I can't believe I'm this song. You're talking about worshipping Satan. And, you know, it's almost a fuck you to the people that like the kind of music that it sounds like. 00:30:38.120 --> 00:31:08.060 It's almost like a bait and switch kind of thing. It's like, oh, here's your accessible pop hooks, but ha ha, Satan! And I fucking love that about it. I mean, it's definitely a, what's the word? Sort of like baby metal. It's something that's, it's a novelty item. Yeah. Okay. And you know what? And I have to be honest with you, other than lie, I hate to kind of go here, but I agree with Buke. I hate to agree with Buke. No. It's, you know what? The novelty is kind of worn off. 00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:37.980 You know, for me. That's all. And not live, though. I still get it live, but I didn't listen to that new record very much. I thought I was going to... Scoot you guys, and I'm going home. I'll say something, but hopefully it won't start a shitstorm. But I view ghosts like Death Heaven. I know people hate Death Heaven with a passion. They don't bother me so much. And I know we've gone back and forth a little bit about that. That's cool. I get it. And we're going to be getting more later. 00:31:38.120 --> 00:32:07.960 And I'm curious about that because this album is a little different for them. But I view kind of ghosts like that. I kind of feel like they've kind of got, there's true metal heads that like them. And then there's these kind of like hipster doofuses like, oh, wow, cool metal. You know what? Yeah. There's been a lot of bands like that over the years. Actually, I'm hard pressed to think of one. But where there was a true kind of genius going on there, but it was so picked up by the outside world that you questioned your own taste for it. 00:32:08.120 --> 00:32:38.020 Yeah. Which, by the way, I have to say, George is getting ready to drop a bomb today. But that's all I'm going to say. Yeah. You know, there's bands that the masses like, and you can listen to them and realize this is just formulaic bullshit that's been spoon-fed to these people. And then there's bands like Ghost that there really is something there. But they're changing who they are to play to those masses. But that's the thing. That's what they did with the second album, they thought. But that didn't work out. Like I said, I think the third album, 00:32:38.120 --> 00:33:08.100 is much more like the first album. It's just a little more mature. And what made the first album so great was that it was so hooky. Because there's just no hooks in metal anymore. I mean, if they are, they're really subtle. Because nobody likes... You couldn't even put Opeth's last album on a top list because you said it wasn't metal. So we can't even have... That was prog rock. I'm just not into prog rock. It is. It is. So we can't... Ghost cannot make... 00:33:08.120 --> 00:33:37.800 A year-end metal. But it is still metal. It's just, it's, you can't say that Ghost is not as heavy as metal from the 80s. And you still call that metal. You know, Quiet Riot was metal in 1983. They're that heavy, easily. So, it's still metal. It may not match the standards of what is metal now, but it's still metal. I don't know. Power metal. This should be a video. 00:33:38.120 --> 00:33:39.860 I wish this was a video podcast because 00:33:40.500 --> 00:33:42.700 there were some powerful looks there during that conversation. 00:33:44.900 --> 00:33:46.380 Bukes' whole rebuttal was 00:33:47.380 --> 00:33:48.180 dead stare. 00:33:49.419 --> 00:33:50.200 I liked it. 00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:53.100 Because I'm stupid and I can't formulate the words that... 00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:54.200 I'm not saying you're wrong. 00:33:54.340 --> 00:33:55.480 I mean, you like what you like. 00:33:55.900 --> 00:33:59.260 I'm just saying, I don't think you can say that they're not metal. 00:33:59.860 --> 00:34:00.960 You can say that you don't like them. 00:34:01.460 --> 00:34:02.120 Opinions are opinions. 00:34:03.120 --> 00:34:04.020 It is what it is. 00:34:04.260 --> 00:34:06.760 I think this is a common theme with a lot of bands now. 00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:07.260 Yeah, sure. 00:34:07.280 --> 00:34:07.820 I really do. 00:34:07.820 --> 00:34:37.399 But you know what? You cannot knock them. They are going on a four-month tour, stopping in every city that has any fucking population to it. They're going worldwide also. I love that they're going to go around the world and take everybody's fucking money. Guys, the Fillmore was absolutely packed. Oh, it's still good for metal because people are still thinking they're metal. 00:34:37.820 --> 00:35:07.780 Yeah. Exactly. I might not think that they're that metal, and I have a hard time trying. If you were to play them for somebody who's not a metalhead, and the preconceived notions of what they think metal is, Ghost would not be that band. Yeah. Right. Because most people who listen to metal, who don't listen to metal, what do they think of metal? Screaming. Nowadays, yeah. But I mean, like I said, there's power metal. Power metal doesn't scream. Power metal's catchy and melodic, but it's still metal. 00:35:09.699 --> 00:35:37.740 This is what happened with me with Macedon. Same thing. After Crack the Sky, I was like, ugh. That's not metal. Well, it was, but it was metal for people who don't like metal. Crack the Sky or the Hunter? After Crack the Sky. Yeah, you know, I still like them okay, but I got off that trail as deeply as I was on it after Crack the Sky. There was really something special before that. And I love Crack the Sky. I got the whole prog thing because they kind of wanted to experiment a little bit with their sound. 00:35:39.079 --> 00:35:41.660 But The Hunter and I don't even know if the last one's even called 00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:43.720 Once More Around the Sun 00:35:43.940 --> 00:35:44.360 Was it? Yeah 00:35:44.720 --> 00:35:47.820 And I listen to those and I go back and listen to Remission and Leviathan 00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:49.760 And I'm like, this is like two different bands 00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:50.700 It's two different bands 00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:52.620 Even though they're still playing similar style music 00:35:53.220 --> 00:35:54.280 For me, it's two different bands 00:35:54.340 --> 00:35:55.320 March of the Fire Ants 00:35:55.360 --> 00:35:56.880 You're not going to hear that from their new stuff now 00:35:57.319 --> 00:35:58.160 And it's a shame 00:35:58.300 --> 00:35:58.880 I mean, and it's cool 00:35:58.920 --> 00:35:59.660 They're welcome to do it 00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:00.360 They really are 00:36:00.900 --> 00:36:02.020 And like Buke 00:36:02.080 --> 00:36:07.020 I think Buke and I liked those two later records more than probably you and George did 00:36:07.040 --> 00:36:36.360 But I still want my Crack the Sky Mastodon back for sure. Yes. You know, they climbed the mountain and made a masterpiece and then they were like, no, let's make kind of a pop record. A Mastodon piece. And they were great live in those early years. Yeah. They really were. Just nonstop for like an hour and a half. You're like, man, my head hurts. Yeah. I need a break. All right. Let's move on because we are going to get back into a conversation similar to this a little bit later. Have you guys heard about this ELP laser turntable? No. 00:36:39.540 --> 00:36:42.940 - It's a turntable that doesn't have a physical needle. 00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:44.980 - There's no cartridge on it. 00:36:45.140 --> 00:36:48.180 - You put it in like you would to a CD player, 00:36:48.200 --> 00:36:50.340 and the vinyl goes into the player, 00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:52.400 and it plays it with a laser, 00:36:52.900 --> 00:36:55.060 and so it doesn't degrade the vinyl. 00:36:55.520 --> 00:36:56.800 You can play it forever and ever, 00:36:56.820 --> 00:36:59.260 and it'll never put grooves in your vinyl. 00:36:59.380 --> 00:37:03.780 - And you're not gonna get the constant sound of, you know. 00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:05.020 - Is this like an all-in-one too? 00:37:05.340 --> 00:37:05.540 - Yeah. 00:37:06.120 --> 00:37:35.940 These are like real thin boxes. No, it actually looks like one of those 80s, like all-in-one things. It's only $15,000. So I expect we should all have one. At some point? Yeah. Yeah, maybe when it goes a little more mainstream. But it was kind of cool. But I have to say, I'm not really, I mean, I know this is an oddity as much as anything, the reason you're bringing it up, George, but I think the needles are probably pretty quality. 00:37:36.100 --> 00:38:05.100 I don't expect any major degradation from my vinyl collection at this point. I mean, any of my records, there's no way they're going in more than once a week, especially now that the collection is getting up there. Exactly. Yeah, so I mean, it's an interesting thing. But also, I kind of like that old intimate analog kind of version of things anyway, so I probably wouldn't, even where these are affordable, I probably wouldn't even be interested in trying it. Yeah, their big thing is they're just saying, the big point, like George said, the point that they kind of get behind is that the nowhere. Yeah. 00:38:05.160 --> 00:38:34.760 Yeah, that's about it, huh? Yeah, I'm not too worried about mine wearing out. Yeah, me neither. It's just kind of cool. Yeah, totally interesting to hear about. All right, so, you know, recently Jay was telling Buk and I that we really had to go listen to this interview over on the Metal Sucks podcast with Dave Windorf of Monster Magnet, and this past week I finally got around to actually doing that, and I agree with Jay. It's a great interview, and Dave's a really cool guy. 00:38:35.180 --> 00:39:02.900 And he made a point that resonated with me. He said that back in the '70s and the '80s when people were kids and growing up, they really identified themselves with their music. Kiss fans were the Kiss Army and the Aerosmith fans were the Aerosmith fans. And when I was in high school, we were metalheads. And we dressed the part and our music told you who we were. 00:39:05.180 --> 00:39:35.020 So often says music is the in the background nobody identifies themselves through their music anymore which is why music isn't such a big deal like it used to be it's because we live in a Spotify world and a single world of what is just to say a world of singles I think there's a lot of reasons for it but that's the other thing I mean there's so many things like the art of the album is really died you know I mean at least people don't get I think it's an attention span thing I think it's I don't know what it is actually what you're talking about the 00:39:36.020 --> 00:39:40.740 identification thing. I don't know. Go ahead, Buka, because I got nothing on this. 00:39:40.900 --> 00:39:49.180 Because it's extremely simple. Because when you guys were growing up, you didn't have the internet. 00:39:49.710 --> 00:39:50.200 Yeah, that's true. 00:39:50.200 --> 00:39:59.180 You didn't have the cell phones. You didn't have 800 channels. You didn't have every football game, if you wanted it. Every hockey game. 00:39:59.360 --> 00:40:02.680 Didn't have televisions or cars or shoes. 00:40:03.460 --> 00:40:31.140 You had CDs and cassettes and you would sit there and you would spin those. Now if you're a kid you have an Xbox that can play games, that can surf the web, that can play music, that can play movies. You have a cell phone in your hand. So while you're playing hockey you're also talking to your friends. 00:40:33.440 --> 00:41:03.420 The easiest way to do it. You're playing Pandora. It's all just... Because it's just there for you. If you don't have to work for it, you don't love it as much. It's disposable. The times, they are a-changing. They always say the whole thing, if you work hard for it, you appreciate it more. You appreciate it more. That's a good point. When you had to save up three weeks allowance to go out and buy one single 00:41:04.120 --> 00:41:32.120 or even more, I mean, or whatever, or had to go out and get a job after school so that you could, you know, scrape together the money to get the new Metallica album. And then, you know, when Master Puppets came out, that was the only thing I listened to for the entire summer of 1986. It's the only thing. If I'm right here on my phone, guys, with Spotify, we can type in any genre. And there are hundreds, thousands, if not millions of bands and albums at our fingertips. 00:41:32.560 --> 00:42:02.400 If you're a kid and you're just being introduced to that for the first time when your friend shows you that, how are you going to have any attachment to anything other than, "Yeah, I really like that song." It's almost more about the technology related. Because all it is is just a picture on the screen. It's just a track. It's not like, John, when you would go to the store and remember getting that CD, opening it and flipping through. You still remember probably the inside of liner notes, what they look like, what the CDs. I remember getting, you know, cassettes. 00:42:03.039 --> 00:42:30.580 that you would go through and look for albums that were imports and say, "Can I order this?" and the guy would look, "Okay, it's gonna cost you this much, it'll be here in a couple weeks." And you'd run down to that record store, "Ah, it didn't come in today, maybe next week." I literally did that exact thing, John. And I used to tell, I would have friends who would come over to my house who were sort of shocked at the amount of cassettes and records I'd have, and they would be maybe non-music fans. 00:42:32.580 --> 00:43:02.060 because I tried to do it. I just was so intimate with my collection. I'd be like, well, pick one up and ask me what the third song on side two is. You know what I mean? I can always do that. To someone who doesn't know Wilder Run now, guys, they can pick up their phone, they can pick up their laptop. Within a minute, they could instantly have access to 30 bands that sound like them. You know what I'm saying? It's crazy. So that's why, getting back to the point with all this, 00:43:02.560 --> 00:43:32.540 is that a lot of people maybe not might not identify themselves with it because how can you when it's one of eight billion things in your life when it's just when it's just a digital image on the screen yeah and it's and everything else is vying for your mind time too you know you know the other thing i want to just kind of throw one thing about dave windorf because he's actually he's kind of on my try to get him for an interview um list right now but he you 00:43:32.560 --> 00:44:00.660 I would also say the last three Monster Magnet records are really all about this. Seriously. The lyrics, though he writes in a lot of metaphors, are all about basically the death of the cool parts of the scene and the way it used to be and the way it used to go into your bed. Look at the cover of the new record. It's basically his bedroom, I assume. It's probably not really his from the 60s. The one they just released, George? Yeah. And that's where Dave lives. And he regrets where we're at now. 00:44:00.740 --> 00:44:28.980 We've talked here on the pod before about metal fans being the most loyal. Spotify released that thing. We talked of the genres that a lot of us listen to. But again, I think some of this doesn't apply to metalheads as much as other genres. Every single day of the week, speaking for myself, when I'm not at work, I'm wearing a metal shirt. Or a Capitol shirt because it's hockey season. Me too. I can identify George as a metalhead. 00:44:30.740 --> 00:45:00.700 10 times out of 10, John, you identify you as a metalhead. Or a beer drinker. Yeah. Or both. Or both. Or a model. Yeah. Maybe. Yeah. So it's just there. Plus size. Yeah. It's just, so it's, with each generation coming, it's only going to get, you know, less and less and less. As people, I think, as, you know, other genres become more popular, like I see it right now online, the electronic music is blowing up. 00:45:00.740 --> 00:45:08.280 up, kids just dancing around stupid, thousands of them at a time. I don't understand it at all. 00:45:08.820 --> 00:45:28.680 Well, I think you're right, though. I do like the point you were just making, though, Beak, which is, there may be other genres that are similar, and I honestly don't know. I couldn't tell you off the top of my head, but I think metal is the one that is least like what we're talking about now, which is to say it's the one that still has liner note readers and devoted collectors and people who identify with it. 00:45:28.680 --> 00:45:58.660 I was thinking about that right there though, you look back to when we interviewed the Perry Hellion kids. Perry Hellion. Okay, that's a good point. I didn't even think. Yeah. Ansh said that he had never bought an album. Okay, yeah. Everything was downloaded. Yeah. And he's in the scene. Yeah, yeah. That's messed up. So I want to kind of transition this into the next thing, which is something I noticed 00:45:58.680 --> 00:46:28.340 the other day on Facebook, you know, this may be less so for Buke, but perhaps for... I was going to say I'll tap out....for Jay, John, and myself, the people that you grew up with that were into metal, that you learned about the bands early on and, you know, you bonded with at those times, and, you know, 25, 30 years later, some of those people, they've just stopped listening to metal altogether. Oh, sure. But then there's some people who still call themselves metalheads. 00:46:29.340 --> 00:46:58.100 And then you see them post something on Facebook about how fucking awesome the new Black Veil Brides is. Or the new Five Finger Death Punch. Or something that I've never even heard of that was just so, it was an abomination. That was what, like, this was. I was like, this was a guy I went to school with, you know, we learned bands from each other back in the 80s. And he was posting, and he posts this stuff on Facebook that's just so bad. And I'm like. What happened to you, man? 00:46:58.120 --> 00:47:28.080 What happened to you, man? Used to be cool, man. I want to extend a hand and bring you into the real... You could have been one of us. Yes. You were supposed to be the one. Exactly. Now I'm going to cut your legs off and let you burn up in lava. You were supposed to be the one. Yeah, so John, George, and Jay, are you guys the last of your metal brethren? I mean, have you guys experienced that, too? Oh, yeah, definitely. But I was always the most hardcore of the group 00:47:28.140 --> 00:47:58.060 I know John says he's going by himself to Prague. Years ago were you going with a friend? Here and there. Two of the friends that are going with this this time have gone before. I think that's just because it's a matter of who's playing. I think in the broader sense for my part, George, most of my fans were just more casual listeners in general. I mean, they weren't, but some of them were big fans, but I was always the one who was like, you've got to hear this band. I was the one who brought that to the table. 00:47:58.100 --> 00:48:28.080 And most of them, I don't know. I was always the OCD guy who was just like, I mean, I always had like way more cassettes and stuff because I would spend every dime and do whatever I had to do to just get everything because I'm OCD like that. But this guy that I'm talking about, he was definitely one of the hardcore, you know, elite of our circle. And it's just like, man, what are you listening to? Yeah. And this actually leads me into my next item, which I thought was, 00:48:28.120 --> 00:48:56.720 about last night while I was in the car driving back from Pennsylvania. And I was curious if other people did this too. And again, Buick might not be quite old enough for this one, but you might. I have a fixed point in time that I use to figure out when things happened. For me, everything in the universe revolves around 1984 and the Detroit Tigers winning the World Series. I was 13 years old when that happened. 00:48:57.880 --> 00:49:26.520 And my wife and I were in the car and she was like, what year did Top Gun come out? She was like, or like, you know, what the question was, what grade were you in when that came out? And we were like, OK, it came out in 87. Three years after the Tigers won the World Series, I was 13. And so if I was 13 plus seven equals Tigers equals Satan's walking. 1984, I was in sixth grade. So three years later means I was in ninth grade when Top Gun came out. 00:49:26.560 --> 00:49:55.440 I use, you know, it's this weird math that's not really math, but, you know, it's how I figure out how things happened in the past. Do you guys ever do anything like that? Or am I just a fucking crazy person? No, no, it's your emotional abacus. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, I definitely do, too. There's all kinds of things like that that I have where I attach and more to the point of the pod, there's records that way, too, that I'm like, well, that was two years before. Yeah, I think I do that more like you, Jay. 00:49:55.500 --> 00:50:25.440 I think I associate more with records. Yeah, because I do that with Master of Puppets. I'm like, I know Master of Puppets in 1986. Boom. Okay. And yeah, it's the same idea. And that was the summer that this happened. And that means that Uncle Joe died in 1987 or whatever. You know what I mean? You can figure it out. Yeah. I couldn't do sports because the Niners would just win in every Super Bowl. It's all blur then. Remember the third time they won the Super Bowl? 1988. See? There you go. All right. Well, it was just something that occurred to me last night. 00:50:25.540 --> 00:50:28.060 I wanted to see if other people did that too or if I was just a freak. 00:50:28.500 --> 00:50:30.240 No, I think it's common. Yeah, I think that's common. 00:50:30.420 --> 00:50:31.800 Excellent. All right. 00:50:32.900 --> 00:50:39.720 So Buke and I were talking recently about how much cattle decapitation has evolved from their older grindcore days. 00:50:40.680 --> 00:50:45.180 And I was listening to Pig Destroyer the other day and I was like, could they evolve? 00:50:45.520 --> 00:50:49.120 I mean, obviously they could, but what do you think that would be like? 00:50:49.120 --> 00:50:50.320 And do you think they ever will? 00:50:50.720 --> 00:50:55.260 Or will they stay what they are and just always be Pig Destroyer? 00:50:55.380 --> 00:51:22.900 If you remember, they released a Doomy EP. Exactly. It was still kind of harsher Pig Destroyer vocals, but the sound was a little Doomy. That was the latest release, too. Yes, it was. So that implies, at least, that they are possibly taking a little turn in the corner right now. I don't know how accepting their fans would be, though. Right. 00:51:25.380 --> 00:51:55.340 I'm sure early cattle decap fans are probably like fuck them now because they're so different but I don't know it was just like sort of a I wonder it would be okay with me I mean I like them just as they are to be honest with you I think they are a little more approachable than early cattle decapitation was and I think they consider themselves more of a hardcore band than like a growing core band but that's neither here nor there those guys got great riffs and stuff dude and the truth is is that I would like to see them do something 00:51:55.380 --> 00:52:24.360 a little more stretched out and structured. Yeah, something with longer songs. I mean, obviously that two-song EP, the songs were a bit longer, but I was listening to Book Burner, and I'm like, yeah, it's like one-minute song, two-minute song, maybe a three-minute song. I was like, I'd like to hear them do something a little longer that's a little more developed. Well, like Cannibal Corpse's last record, by the way, you know, Skeletal Domain had, those songs were all like three minutes and above, and they do a lot of shorter songs. And I enjoyed that more than their previous couple. 00:52:26.320 --> 00:52:54.820 Yeah, they were definitely trying to do something a little different. But I also kind of want to just take a second here to say that Kettle Decapitation has quickly become kind of a pod favorite right now. I was going to say that if Jay didn't say it. John, have you listened to the album? No. I think you will be now. For a band that started out like a grindcore band, this album is amazing. This album hits 00:52:54.840 --> 00:53:24.180 So many different genres. It does. It's not like Opeth, you know, clean vocals. That crazy for them. But it's pretty amazing. Yeah. It caught us all by surprise this year. And it's this one that we didn't talk about that much, but it kind of creeped into everybody's playlist. And Buk and I have mentioned to each other almost once a week that we're just like, dude, I keep listening. Probably my number two now. Nice. And totally worthy of that. It's going to be way up in my list too. Right on. Well, 00:53:24.920 --> 00:53:54.240 I don't know. Maybe we should get into this Wilderun interview now. What do you think? Sounds good. Rock it. All right. Can I just say this before we get into it? Of course. When it was proposed to us about getting them on the show, John was the first person I thought of. Yeah, we were like, you know. John, thanks also for coming up on your Sunday. I appreciate you guys having me here. To be here and join us. I know it's a little bit of a hike for you. So thanks for coming up here with us. As long as there's no traffic, it's fine. I truly appreciate it. And there was traffic. There was traffic. Truly. 00:53:54.860 --> 00:54:24.820 And also, since people get on us about not mentioning what beers we're drinking, you want to mention the beers that we've had so far? So the first one we had is from Dark Horse Brewing, which is from Michigan. And we had something called Scary Jesus Rockstar. That is so cool. And it tastes good, too. And the reason for this is Jen and I were in Total Wine. And I said, oh, check this out. You think I should get this? She's like, how could you not? I said, I think the guys will dig this. It's an American pale ale with 00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:54.760 with apricot, or apricot, however you want to say it, and chamomile. So that's the first one. It sounds comforting. Yeah, sounds so nice. After a hard day at work. And then the next one I brought was a brewery that Jay could probably get out there in California anytime he wants, but we're just getting them now, which is Alpine. And we had Duet, which is their Indian Pale Ale, which is excellent. And they've just started making their way back here because Green Flat. 00:54:54.860 --> 00:55:23.120 Lash Brewing owes them now. Oh! Yeah, so we'll be getting a lot of their stuff. For years, their IPAs have been highly regarded, so kind of cool. If you ever add John on Untapped, you're not going to catch him, so don't even try. And we have two more to consume that are pretty good. We'll mention them. So we'll get into the interview now with Evan Barry of Will to Run, and while you're listening to that, we're going to go refill. 00:55:24.860 --> 00:55:27.120 This week's me, John Man! 00:55:30.560 --> 00:55:33.200 This week's me, John Man! 00:55:36.520 --> 00:55:39.040 This week's me, John Man! 00:55:42.640 --> 00:55:44.980 Listen to this now! 00:55:48.840 --> 00:55:53.120 Alright, we are here today with Evan Barry of Wild Run. How are you doing, Evan? 00:55:53.540 --> 00:56:23.500 I'm doing pretty well all things considered I'm doing quite well it's the DC area here for us so trying to come in from where we come last night I'm still reeling from caps opening night so I didn't get to bed till late because my heart was fucking pumping as hockey returned last night Evan correct me if I'm wrong you're from Boston area right actually I currently live in Chicago we kind of 00:56:23.520 --> 00:56:53.500 We kind of we will do informed in Boston. That's kind of like our home base. But now we we kind of live a spread across the country. And we usually don't you know, we don't really a lot of people don't know that because we don't post too much about where we're all. Yeah, where you guys are living and all that. I mean, not that I have any problems saying it now, but we have it. I am. I'm currently in Chicago, actually, which is a mortal bird country. Yes, exactly. And and yeah, and everyone else. The only member 00:56:53.600 --> 00:57:23.480 of the band that's actually currently in Boston is our bassist, Dan. And everyone else is kind of spread out. But again, he could live in Zimbabwe. He's a bassist. But hey, speaking of hockey, it's a shame you moved away from a Stanley Cup team just to get such a crappy team where you live now. Shots fired. Are you a Boston Bruins fan? Or a hockey fan at all? Or a hockey fan at all. Most guys we talked to are like, 00:57:23.520 --> 00:57:53.340 Yeah, I don't care. I'm definitely kind of in that field, although I would certainly call myself a fair weather fan of the Blackhawks. Okay. But I wouldn't pretend to know too much about it. You know what? I'll just tell you one thing. The weather's always pretty fair over there, dude. Exactly. There is nothing wrong with throwing on a Blackhawks shirt, grabbing a couple beers and celebrating a Stanley Cup victory. Okay? Exactly. There's nothing wrong with that. 00:57:54.840 --> 00:58:22.320 Before we go any further, it sounded to me like I did not pronounce the band's name correctly. Is that the case? Well, we usually call it Wilderun. That's how we pronounce it. That's how I do it. For once, I was right. When you don't hear somebody else say it, you just kind of go with your best guess. Oh, yeah. No, I totally understand. We usually, I would say, it's kind of 50-50 with how people decide to pronounce it. 00:58:23.520 --> 00:58:53.420 It's either Wild Run or Wilder Run. Some people say Wilder Run. And then there's a whole bunch of other ones that I can't even comprehend. Well, we're really big on pronunciation here, so Wilder Run, is it? That's how we like to say it. Wilder Run. That's the Zach Wild led project. Right, right. Okay, Wilder Run it is. Well, that's okay, because we met in Baltimore the last time you guys were there, or you were there. 00:58:53.560 --> 00:59:22.180 with Immortal Bird. Oh, yes, of course. And I was the guy who came up in the first two questions where I said the name wrong. And I asked, when are you coming back? And I'm like, but they haven't even played yet tonight. So I think you got more questions about Will to Run that night than about Immortal Bird. So let me bring up the speed how you guys came on our radar here. We do this podcast semi-regular, I'd say a couple times a month when our lives allow us to. 00:59:23.540 --> 00:59:53.420 And this year, for the first time, we did a mid-year list of our best albums of the year. Now, prior to that time, John and I had talked on Twitter and Facebook and exchanged some messages back and forth, but had not met in person. We sat down for that mid-year list. And, you know, in the metal world, you like to have lists. And we hold those lists pretty sacred. We did, like, what, top 15, was it? 00:59:53.520 --> 01:00:20.760 I think it was 10. I had some drinks so I think it turned out to be like 13, 14 for me. I think you got lost at 6. But it gets to our number one and John and I, who hadn't even mentioned it, both shared your guys' album as our number one album of the year so far, Sleep at the Edge of Earth. Wow, well thank you very much. I really appreciate that. 01:00:23.520 --> 01:00:53.480 I teased it when I started doing my list and John kind of bright-eyed looked at me like hmm. They were like it has a mountain side on it. It's green. So that's when him and I really our friendship exploded and Jay and George I could kick them off the pod. So I am where I was going with all this is is that John and I love the album. I have seen. So do I. And George's. 01:00:53.520 --> 01:01:23.500 We're all fans. Thank you so much. This is when you guys popped up on my radar. Are you starting to see worldwide reception of this album and a lot of people coming on board and loving it like we are now? Definitely more, yeah. I think this album, we definitely have had some good fans that have been with us since we released the first album in 2012. But I would say that this 01:01:23.520 --> 01:01:52.120 this new album just because of getting a little bit more press, a little bit more reviews and stuff like that. Because of that, we've definitely gained a good deal more fans. And yeah, from all across the world, I ship out all the merchandise and all the CDs myself. And it's kind of cool to see orders come in from God knows where, just the most random countries. 01:01:53.520 --> 01:02:23.500 that now that the new albums come out. So it's really cool. Yeah, we're really honored that anyone really likes us that much. It's pretty cool that John and I had it on our list, but when you started researching more, John, you and I weren't alone in that. No. They've been popping up on a lot of best of lists so far. I think I've gone through maybe six, seven, eight different sites, and just nothing 01:02:23.540 --> 01:02:53.500 of praise. And all for different reasons, which I thought was even better. It wasn't just for one thing. Because I think the album's pretty multifaceted. I think there's a lot going on. There's a lot of layers to it. It's like an ogre. It's layers. Yeah. So it just seems like a lot of people from a lot of different places are liking it for a lot of reasons. Yeah, I've been encountering the same thing. And I was wondering, given all this seemingly positive, well, I mean, lots of 01:02:53.520 --> 01:03:23.500 positive attention. Have there been any labels sniffing around your door looking to possibly reissue it under the label? Unfortunately, not yet. No, we haven't really gotten anything in. Back when we released the first album, we had a whole set of time where we were just sending out press kits and copies of the album to labels that we thought might be interested in and we never really heard back. So we might try to do the same thing. 01:03:23.540 --> 01:03:53.500 Same Thing For This Record. We Honestly Just Really Haven't Had A Chance Yet To You Know Because It's A Big Process To Really Put Together Physical Press Kits And I Gotta Tell You This Is That Answer Is It Just Reaffirms My Belief That Record Labels Suck You Know They Don't Know What's Going On If If An Album Of This Magnitude And I Don't Mean To You Know Blow Smoke Up Your Butt Or Anything But It Is A Really Pretty Fabulous Album And For 01:03:53.520 --> 01:04:23.500 for it to be the like the anr people out there are not picking up on this and at least asking some questions then they're not doing their job it's it's tough it's i mean it's tough to know you know exactly what what anyone's looking for as far as labels go i mean it's a it's definitely a new industry than it used to be the whole music business is really changing so it's it's hard to know i mean there's so much oversaturation in the industry with bands and now that now that it's all you know 01:04:23.520 --> 01:04:53.300 DIY with Bandcamp and everything. There's just so many bands that everyone knows about. I guess it's hard to know if anyone's even heard us. That's the question I was going to ask him. He has been a part of two probably you would say the best albums of the year. And mentioning Immortal Bird, that album probably. I wonder how many metalheads have even heard that album. And that is on a label, right? It's on, yeah, I believe it's on, 01:04:54.720 --> 01:04:55.200 Yeah. 01:04:56.260 --> 01:04:57.220 And yeah. 01:04:57.440 --> 01:05:05.000 So I sometimes I have a hard time with Immortal Bird questions because Ray kind of handles all the business side of that. 01:05:05.040 --> 01:05:09.820 Like I'm very much just like as opposed to Wilderun where I kind of handled the business for Wilderun. 01:05:10.180 --> 01:05:13.340 Immortal Bird is I'm very much just there musically. 01:05:13.500 --> 01:05:17.840 Because let's admit she's a badass and she can probably kick all our ass. 01:05:18.260 --> 01:05:18.920 Oh, exactly. 01:05:19.160 --> 01:05:19.320 Yeah. 01:05:19.520 --> 01:05:21.220 We're working on getting her on here too. 01:05:21.340 --> 01:05:22.180 We've been talking to her. 01:05:22.480 --> 01:05:52.440 But with the tour and everything, she's been kind of busy. I got a question I'm going to sneak in here because you're talking about, well, recording the album and that kind of thing, which is one of the things. First of all, it's great, as everybody says, but it also sounds great, dude. So I would like to know if you recorded it at home, did you record in a studio? What did you do? We recorded it at, it's called More Sound Studios in Syracuse, New York. And that's where we've recorded both the albums. And the engineer, his name is Jocko, 01:05:52.480 --> 01:06:21.320 Jason Randall, but he goes by Jocko. And he's just an absolutely fantastic engineer, producer, mixer, pretty much everything. It's a mid-sized studio. They're not a huge studio yet. But yeah, we heard about the studio, I think, back in 2011 from our friends. There's a metal band from Syracuse called Freya, and we're good friends with those guys. 01:06:21.460 --> 01:06:50.280 And they showed me and a couple friends around the studio back in 2011. And we just loved it. We loved talking with Jocko and all of the work he had done. So we kind of just took a gamble and decided to record the first album there just to, because we didn't really, you know, we just thought it might be a good bet. And we loved it. And then when the second album came around, we thought, you know, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. So it was, you know, we've been really happy working with him so far. 01:06:50.340 --> 01:07:20.320 And to anyone out there listening, if you're in at all upstate New York area or basically anywhere in the country, definitely look into more sound studios because it's a phenomenal facility. Cool. Jay, I'm glad you asked that because I don't know about you guys, but I listened to both albums and I saw those times I feel like just saying, fuck it, man, I'm grabbing my sword and I'm going. I'm going on this fucking journey. Yeah. It's the sound. It just, it's the sound. 01:07:20.360 --> 01:07:23.940 It's a real full sound and it's so clean, but it doesn't sound processed. 01:07:26.770 --> 01:07:49.840 John, it's funny you mention it. We find a lot, all four of us, find a lot of our music on Bandcamp. And Bandcamp is good because anybody can, I don't know how many hoops you have to go through, but anybody can put their stuff out there. And with that, you listen to so much on Bandcamp, you're like, "Oh, the album art looks cool on this." Within seconds, you want to throw your headphones against the wall. 01:07:50.360 --> 01:08:20.279 Hope that you can never hear music out of those headphones again. For some bands. For some bands. But the instant I put you guys on, that full sound just washes over you and you're like instant. You know what I want to say about it? To me, it sounds like you're already on a label because it just sounds like there's money in that recording. It's so exemplary. So anyway, hats off on that. Yeah, it's definitely, I mean, the production is definitely a big element for us. 01:08:20.339 --> 01:08:50.279 and we've always really valued that from the beginning of the band. We wanted to make sure that the first thing that we released, we wanted to skip the demo phase. We didn't want any of that because we kind of figured that for so many people listening to bands like this, the first thing they hear is going to really be their impression of the band forever. So we want to make sure that no matter what anyone out there hears, no matter what the first thing they hear is, it's going to be full quality. 01:08:50.339 --> 01:09:19.819 Like no demos out there, just only full quality recordings. So that was always really important to us. Excellent. It obviously worked with us, right? I mean, so that's a good theory you've got. There we go, yeah. Comparing the two albums, the first album, a lot of the folky elements were more like you would dance a jig to, you know, something that was a little more grab a beer and swing the lass around and, you know, and whereas on the second album, 01:09:20.359 --> 01:09:49.819 the folk elements are a bit more like romantic, you know, not as energetic. Right. There's more of an ethereal feel, I think, throughout the album. Yeah, atmospheric, yeah. There was a question in here that I was getting to, which was, we usually ask people what their influences were, but I'm kind of curious as to what music outside of metal sort of influences or inspires you to do, you know, the non-metal elements of the music. Well, lots of stuff. 01:09:49.900 --> 01:10:18.220 I mean, obviously, you know, a lot of like just traditional folk music, Celtic folk music, American folk music, of course, just anything, you know, anything that has a lot of, you know, traditional elements, you know, we obviously love old antique instrumentation and stuff like that. So but as far as I mean, we all listen to a variety of music that's outside of metal. 01:10:18.920 --> 01:10:25.140 It's hard to say what directly influences what we do because we never 01:10:25.840 --> 01:10:42.300 whenever we're recording or arranging we're never like oh let's have this section sound like this band or anything like that we just want to make sure it just sounds like Wilderun but I'm sure that our various influences kind of more subconsciously seep their way into what we're doing 01:10:43.000 --> 01:10:46.840 I mean I'm trying to think of some some artists in particular 01:10:49.320 --> 01:11:16.820 It's kind of, I could see, do you shrug off whenever you may read a review or may hear a comment from somebody? Which again, this is not a negative, but people may say, oh, I hear like an Opeth sound from them. Because you're like, no, we're not trying to be like Opeth, we're just trying to be Wilderun. Yeah, I mean, I don't have any problem with people making their comparisons. Because like, I mean... Because it's the year, there's been thousands 01:11:16.840 --> 01:11:46.800 of music now. Recorded music's been around for decades now. You're not going to go out there and really do something that hasn't been laid down somewhere. Oh yeah, absolutely. And we're definitely not at all ashamed of any of our influences. I mean, we all love Opeth, and I'm not going to deny that. I love that band. Yes, that's John and I's favorite group. Yeah, and they're amazing. They were definitely one of the first groups that really had an important part in my music. 01:11:52.980 --> 01:12:16.820 I feel like with Opeth it's always changing I mean I probably have to say Blackwater Park but it kind of flip-flops depending on the month or something that's my favorite without a question man if I yeah gun to head that's that's probably what I say but you know what there is a gun to your head bro so you got to pick something that's interesting because some of the stuff that's 01:12:16.860 --> 01:12:46.820 I hear, me personally, I might be opethian, if you want to make up that word. It sounds like there's some morning rise a little bit, because you guys will go through some very aggressive moments and just slide right into a nice acoustic piece, and then you pull right back into it, and I kind of like how you do it. So that's just me. I can see that, yeah. Opethian. Opethian. New word. John, you have some questions you have, buddy? No, I mean, I think we're all, we're, one thing I wanted to 01:12:49.080 --> 01:13:16.780 As we're in this current place right now, do you find that being in both bands, do you find that you kind of, when you're doing Wilderun, some of the Immortal Bird slides in? Because in a couple parts on this album, I noticed during the Garden of Fire, there's some guitar work in there. I swear you were playing something, same kind of aggressive play when I saw you play with Immortal Bird. So I wonder, does it ever blur at all? Or does it just kind of come out that way? Is that just your stuff? 01:13:16.840 --> 01:13:46.820 I think that's it. I think it's probably the crossover is just like is kind of like the that style that just innate way of playing that you can't really deny that no matter no matter how much you try to change it up you're always going to have certain ways that you play in certain ways that you think about music that it's it's kind of hard to you know to deny those when you're when you're making music and and you know and I think that's I think that's okay you know that's just personal style but as far as Wilderun and Immortal 01:13:46.840 --> 01:14:10.240 I just kind of get myself in a different mentality when working with either band. Just try to kind of put myself in a different mindset. Think about different things as far as atmosphere and energy goes. And then the crossover is more just that kind of subconscious style that I'm not even really thinking about. That's always going to be there. 01:14:10.280 --> 01:14:40.260 No, and that's what I figured. It's just not to say that you're bringing Immortal Bird into Wilderun, but you can sell when someone's style is there. Yeah. I'm wondering, too. I mean, do you get, I'm assuming you take a slightly more of a backseat in Immortal Bird, so I mean, you really get to just be a guitar player, right? I mean, instead of like having to steer the bus and everything. Absolutely, yeah. And that's been nice. I mean, I, you know, and I, I love Wilderun, and I love my position in Wilderun, but it would be 01:14:53.920 --> 01:15:10.000 I mean, I don't do too much live playing with them just because I'm involved with Wilderun. I'm also actually involved with another band called Replisire, which is a Boston-based death metal group. 01:15:10.080 --> 01:15:39.320 Oh, wow. And I do just vocals for them. I'm mostly involved, as far as the creation of the music goes, I'm mostly just involved with arranging with that band. But I play live with them a decent amount, and obviously with Wilderun. So with Immortal Bird, it's just like, you know, the third band I joined, I was kind of like, I don't know how much live playing I can actually handle right now. I'm glad I saw you guys a couple months ago then. Yeah, yeah, that was the first full tour I had done with the band. 01:15:40.100 --> 01:16:10.060 that the only shows I had played were Chicago shows. So I mean, it was great. It was fun. I had a good time. But it's more of just kind of a time commitment thing as far as my work goes and everything like that. But yeah, but it was nice being able to just kind of be on the side of the stage, like just focusing on my guitar playing. I didn't have to worry about simultaneously, you know, getting my voice ready and playing guitar and, you know, kind of being the 01:16:10.160 --> 01:16:14.140 So that was definitely nice. It was nice for a change. 01:16:14.520 --> 01:16:14.800 Cool. 01:16:16.220 --> 01:16:20.420 You just mentioned your death metal sideband also. 01:16:21.060 --> 01:16:28.040 Mike of Opeth has come out a couple times and said that the harsh, growling death vocals that he does is boring. 01:16:28.880 --> 01:16:34.680 Somebody like yourself who has that dynamic vocal range, could you see maybe what he's talking about? 01:16:34.760 --> 01:17:04.700 Do you enjoy that you do actually have the freedom to come out with Will to Run and sing your clean vocals and sing nice before you go into the harsh stuff? Yeah, I mean, I like the diversity. I like being able to do both just because it's dynamics. It keeps things interesting. That's contrast. Yeah, exactly. I definitely think I would have a hard time. In none of my bands do I just do the harsh vocals. 01:17:04.840 --> 01:17:34.720 And I think I might personally have a bit of a hard time if that was the case. I mean, I love death metal. I love heavy music. But I really value dynamics and change. And that's what Mike seems to say, too. I question whether Mike really values dynamics since he's dropping the death vault. I'm sorry. And I am not that guy. But that doesn't sit well with me. I need Opeth to go back to... No, they can do what they want. But you know what I mean. Evan, though, do you... 01:17:34.740 --> 01:18:04.720 Do you find death metal vocals as a singer challenging compared to being able to sing clean in the range that you can hit singing clean? Because to me, I think there's just death vocals. And which one requires more oxygen? I guess it's just kind of different. It's kind of like just a whole different way of doing things and a different way of thinking about your voice. It's kind of hard to compare, really. I mean, obviously with 01:18:04.740 --> 01:18:32.420 With clean singing, there is more range, there is more diversity, there is more things you can do at the end of the day, I think. But there is a lot of kind of, there is diversity to growling because there is higher growling, there is higher screaming and lower growling, there is more pitched screaming and just completely no pitched screaming. There is a lot of different ways that you can do that. 01:18:34.740 --> 01:19:04.060 that you can find ways of making growling dynamic. And it is difficult. It's definitely not just one thing. But as far as breath goes, I would say that if you're full on growling, it's going to definitely use up your breath a lot quicker. But the important thing with growling, I think probably a lot of metal vocalists forget, is that you need to still use the same techniques that you'd use just doing clean singing. 01:19:04.100 --> 01:19:33.780 You need to be kind of singing from your diaphragm. You need to make sure that you're not using your throat too much. You got to make sure you warm up always. You got to make sure that you, you know, use your proper technique or else you're going to blow out your voice the same as you would with clean singing, if not sooner. So. Well, I just can't help it. I always want to giggle when I hear the word diaphragm. Sorry about that. Hey, bro, I was going to ask you, can we go back to the record for a second real quick? And I wanted to ask you about, you know, the multi-part. 01:19:34.100 --> 01:19:38.420 song that we've got there or movement which is tracks two through five and i was 01:19:38.420 --> 01:19:42.700 wondering if you could talk a little bit about the inspiration for that um well the 01:19:42.860 --> 01:19:49.940 inspiration for that it um well it was originally written as one song um it was it was honestly 01:19:50.260 --> 01:19:57.200 like yeah it was just an 18 minute song when we first finished it and and we had like a lot of 01:19:57.400 --> 01:20:04.080 discussion about if we should just release it as one track or not um but we kind of felt that 01:20:04.640 --> 01:20:33.840 We kind of felt that like it really had four very distinct parts that like really had their own identity for each movement. So we felt that we wanted to split it up just so people listen to it that way. So they listen to it as a like they really thought about the four different parts on their own terms while understanding that it is one piece of music. Because if somebody, you know, you release an 18 minute song and you know, sometimes some people might not have the patience for that or just. 01:20:37.940 --> 01:21:04.060 I do like black rose immortal though. Yeah. Yes. Oh, yeah. I mean, there's great songs like that, but we just felt for this song that it was just, you know, that the four parts really had their own identity, but also worked as a whole. So that's why we wanted to do it like that. Cool. Who took the picture for the cover? That was actually Dan, the bassist. His sister took that in Austria. And 01:21:04.080 --> 01:21:32.940 And it was kind of just an awesome random circumstance where he was, she was showing him some of the photography she had taken out there. And we saw that picture. We're just like, wow, that's, I think that's it. Like we, we have been, we have been thinking about it, like thinking about a couple artists that might want to do the cover, but we didn't really have any distinct ideas about it. We were just kind of like just vague ideas. And we saw that and we were like, wow, like it just stuck out to us immediately. 01:21:33.500 --> 01:22:00.480 And we were like, I think we have to use that now. Cool. When it comes to songwriting, I'm sure you don't use a formula. But when it comes to writing a new song, do you tend to start acoustically and then bring in the metal parts later? Or would you write something heavy and then say, okay, now we've got to put in some folk parts? I would assume it's probably both ways, but I was just curious as to if you had a method. 01:22:00.580 --> 01:22:29.760 Yeah, I mean, it is definitely different for every song. Every song kind of has a different idea behind it, like a different base at which it starts. And you can kind of tell when listening to it. For example, Garden of Fire was very much written on electric guitar, and you can kind of tell because it's a very metal, heavy kind of song. 01:22:31.540 --> 01:23:00.540 Like Linger and the track after that was started on an acoustic guitar, obviously. And that's why the song turned out that way. And then Means to Preserve, actually, the last long song on the album, that whole song was written on the piano. Nice. And I think that's why that song has a little bit of a different characteristic to it. The writing style of that song, it has a different flavor. And I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that it was 01:23:00.580 --> 01:23:30.540 was written on the piano. Like the, cause when you're looking at a different instrument, you are automatically going to be writing slightly differently just because of how the instrument is formed. And like with the piano, I always end up, uh, there's a song off of the first album called storm along. And that song is, was the other song written entirely on piano. And you can kind of tell with means of preserve and with storm along, um, just like the, the chord shapes are a bit different. Like the, the way it's, 01:23:30.580 --> 01:24:00.120 that the melodies are structured has a slightly different flavor. It just kind of has to do with the tool that you're using. What is presented in front of you when you sit down with a new instrument. Cool. Evan, when you go into writing some of these songs too, I know you play mandolin. Do you go in there already knowing in the back of your head, this is a song that I'm going to play that in? Or do you like, the song's missing? 01:24:01.820 --> 01:24:02.400 That's it. 01:24:03.880 --> 01:24:05.000 We need more mandolin. 01:24:05.430 --> 01:24:05.960 And cowbell. 01:24:06.190 --> 01:24:09.440 I feel like it's probably been more the latter. 01:24:09.710 --> 01:24:28.100 I feel like as far as the folk instrument stuff that we do with the mandolin or the dulcimer or the auto harp and stuff like that, it's usually more about once the song is finished, we want to figure out colors that we want to put on top of it. 01:24:28.300 --> 01:24:28.720 Tarnish. 01:24:29.460 --> 01:24:58.680 Yeah, just ways to liven things up and just keep things different sonically. And yeah, I mean, there's probably been a couple moments where as soon as the song was written, we had a general idea. Like I know when there's a song on the first album called The Dying Californian and the verse of that song, I think as soon as it was ready to go, we knew that we wanted that verse to be auto harp just because it just, I don't know, just called for it pretty obvious. 01:24:58.880 --> 01:25:28.720 But yeah, but for any other, for most of the time, it's more of us just kind of sitting down being like, okay, here's the song. Let's think about this section. What instruments could we use over this one? And we just get like really nitty gritty about it. Just kind of thinking about every section individually, like what colors would work here? What like and what instrument, you know, sounds the best with this melody that's already written. So yeah, I like that. You know something, Joe, go get your dulcimer. We're going to 01:25:29.920 --> 01:25:58.720 So Evan, that kind of brings me to this question, which is kind of the macro, the beginning of the album, when you guys started. Did you have the melody in mind that you wanted for this album? Because every song has that melody. And you guys just tweak it a little bit. You may play it a little differently, a little slower, a little different in terms of the instruments used, but it's throughout the whole album. And that's what I like the most about the album. It's a theme. You keep coming back to it without it being bombastic or in your face the whole time, because it just depends on what you want. 01:25:58.760 --> 01:26:28.680 on how the song's going. It's either up or down depending on the volume. Is that how you guys started the album or did it kind of just develop that way as you guys were working through it? The very first melody that you hear was definitely written a little bit later. The first song has two parts to it. There's kind of an A section and a B section. The A section, the very first part of it, was written on its own kind of later in the process because when we kind of knew that we wanted to reprise it, 01:26:28.760 --> 01:26:58.720 at the end and have like kind of a connecting between the beginning and the end the b section of the first song yeah you there's a reprise of that section in the means to preserve and that part was written first in the means to preserve and then brought to the beginning later so it's like kind of a lot of flip-flopping like it's a lot of you know when when the album is being created in the and the parts are being created it's kind of a big mess and and then we just kind of 01:26:58.760 --> 01:27:05.860 just figure out exactly where everything belongs and kind of just like finishing a puzzle kind of thing. 01:27:06.100 --> 01:27:09.400 So it's definitely a bit random. 01:27:09.610 --> 01:27:12.980 And every song and every section kind of goes through a different process. 01:27:13.260 --> 01:27:14.500 It's not one way of doing things. 01:27:15.500 --> 01:27:21.000 Evan, playing this genre, does it present any complications playing live? 01:27:22.160 --> 01:27:22.560 Oh, yeah. 01:27:22.930 --> 01:27:24.540 Oh, so, so many. 01:27:25.940 --> 01:27:54.660 That's been like one of the biggest things is that live we definitely have to do a little bit of rearranging because obviously first of all we're only four people and there's many things happening at once on the record. Of course. But also we do we use backing tracks because we love to have the orchestral stuff there obviously and we'll put some of the folk instruments into the backing tracks just to have that color there. I'm surprised you guys can't hire a touring orchestra. Jesus. Oh yeah. 01:27:54.760 --> 01:28:24.520 Yeah, that doesn't cost anything. That doesn't cost anything. I thought you could rent them for $1.50. Just raking in all the money with Polka Metal. Yeah. No, but yeah, so I mean, there's certain things, though, that we have to kind of make some live decisions. Like, you know, we have to take out certain things here or there. But it's, we don't really try to think of it as like taking out things or not doing things live. We just rearrange it to like fit the live setting. Definitely don't feel like you're like robbing anybody. 01:28:24.780 --> 01:28:53.400 who comes out to see you guys. They're still going to see the full product. Right, exactly. Yeah, there might just be like, you know, certain things, like certain sections that sound a little different. Of course, you know that you're going to get those wild, wilder run nuts who are going to be like, I saw it right there. It's different. I heard it. I told you. Yeah, I don't know if we've had anyone like point out the specific parts yet, but maybe they're complaining behind our backs. I don't know. 01:28:53.740 --> 01:29:23.020 But it seems to work so far. I think we've figured out a system. Cool. The live video on the site for Suncatcher sounds great, I think. Thank you. Knowing you see only four guys are going to think, okay, they're not going to be able to play everything. But it sounds great. You still get both aspects and they both blend really well. Yeah, we just try to make sure that the band is tight, that just the core instruments of the metal band are tight. 01:29:23.080 --> 01:29:24.100 as we can make them. 01:29:24.910 --> 01:29:28.380 And then we just use the backing tracks to blend in all the other elements. 01:29:29.280 --> 01:29:30.960 Wow, that's so freaking cool. 01:29:31.480 --> 01:29:36.680 One day we definitely would love to get some more live instruments on stage 01:29:37.060 --> 01:29:40.380 if we can afford to hire some more musicians, 01:29:40.720 --> 01:29:43.920 like get mandolin, dulcimer, and all that stuff. 01:29:43.960 --> 01:29:46.520 You know who's deep in that stuff right now? 01:29:46.580 --> 01:29:48.860 Maybe a Richie Blackmore appearance? 01:29:48.950 --> 01:29:49.400 Oh, yeah. 01:29:51.160 --> 01:29:51.820 One day. 01:29:52.120 --> 01:29:52.340 One day. 01:29:52.840 --> 01:30:22.000 But then you'll lose your band to Richie and then he'll be all over from there. This will be Richie Blackmore's Will to Run. Speaking about also playing this kind of folky metal too, have you been contacted from any of the bands or fans from overseas who, where a lot of those pagan folky bands are really popular and are really successful over there? 01:30:22.860 --> 01:30:50.720 We have not played over there, no. We'd love to, but we definitely have a lot of fans. I would say that our fan base is definitely split probably about 50-50 between the US and anywhere else, I suppose. At least, if I had to guess, I'd say 30%, maybe 40% of our fans are from Europe. Obviously, that scene is where the scene is over there. 01:30:50.880 --> 01:31:20.820 You sing in English. You're ours. It's not like Fintral. I love a lot of those bands, but they don't sing English. Love Fintral? No idea what they're talking about. I think your sound's more American, too. I don't hear some of the... I can't think of any bands right now, but there are some that come off just so big and huge, bombastic sound, and you guys sound much, to my liking, much better, personally. 01:31:20.880 --> 01:31:50.840 I think it's a more even sound. Thank you. I mean, we love all of those bands out there. Obviously, we've been influenced by a lot of other folk metal, pagan metal, whatever you want to call it, bands, and we love all that stuff. And just as with Opeth, as I was saying before, we definitely don't deny our influence from bands like that. It's all great stuff. But we try to, whenever we can, put our own flavor on it, make it our own, try to 01:31:50.860 --> 01:32:12.860 Just, you know, even though we're influenced by bands like that, we don't want to copy it. We just want to try to, you know, make it something organic. And I think that's going to be the, like, the goal of the band as we move forward is just, like, always trying to see what new stuff we can do and how to kind of, you know, confirm our identity as much as we can. So. 01:32:12.940 --> 01:32:40.560 When you guys release an album like this with the success that it has, with you're so busy with managing the band, do you have time to even see that? Because it's good to get that accommodation to everyone. Because so many people are quick to throw negatives, and it's good when you know... It's nice to hear nice things. 01:32:42.960 --> 01:33:12.920 We definitely get a lot of good fan emails and stuff like that. I know the question's kind of given, but there are some bands who we've talked to here. We just don't go online. We don't really care what people say. We just do our thing. I definitely love to hear it when someone really enjoys our music. I just like to know that the thing that we've worked really hard on 01:33:12.940 --> 01:33:42.740 can just make someone feel something good. A lot of people just say they'll listen to the record and it'll just make their day a little better or something. That's awesome. That's one of the main reasons why we do it. When we're creating the music, when we're writing it, we do it for ourselves, of course. We never go into the writing process or into the recording process thinking like, oh, what's everyone going to like? We try not to worry about that in the creative. 01:33:42.940 --> 01:33:43.280 process. 01:33:43.940 --> 01:34:02.200 But when it's all said and done, when the record's out there, yeah, we love it when people tell us that they're enjoying it and can express to us how it's helped them or something. That's amazing. You can't really ask for anything better than that. 01:34:02.620 --> 01:34:11.940 You see the comments on Bandcamp, and the word, I hope they're not throwing it around willy-nilly, masterpiece is used a lot. 01:34:12.500 --> 01:34:41.340 I would totally agree. Yeah, I've personally, I haven't heard any negative comments about it, which is kind of unusual in itself. I mean, I'm sure if I go on Blabbermouth, I can find trolls that'll rip on anything. But have you heard anything negative, but in a, you know, constructive sort of way where you were like, oh, maybe you got a point there? Or, I mean, have you even, you must have heard something negative. 01:34:42.200 --> 01:35:12.100 Read us one of your bad reviews. I'm just wondering if anybody is actually giving, you know, constructive criticism or if it's all just good, good reviews and trolls. I mean, I definitely think it's mostly that. I mean, I'd like I as far as constructive criticism goes, like I maybe got a couple things from more of my like close friends and acquaintances that I would maybe talk to about it that would, you know, I, you know, with close friends, I'll be like, 01:35:12.180 --> 01:35:41.620 Hey, just be brutally honest with me. I don't want you to try to be nice about it or whatever. And at that point, I might get a couple criticisms about a couple things where sometimes with the production or things like that. But as far as anything online, I don't know if I've seen any really scathingly negative things, but I've seen a few reviews that are kind of more like, you know, this is good, but this isn't anything new or this is kind of like more. 01:35:42.180 --> 01:36:10.600 Run of the Mill. And I could totally see some people hearing some of the influences that we get and then kind of thinking it maybe sounds a little too much like something else. But I feel like you kind of get that for any record. Yeah, I think it's the difference between people who listen to the whole record intently and people who just put it on and go, okay, I got the opening riff here, let's go track. You know what I mean? Like seriously, there are people who review records like that online. It's the real shame of online. 01:36:10.780 --> 01:36:38.300 Yeah, run of the mill is about the last thing I would use to describe it. I mean, as someone who reviews music and listens to just tons and tons and tons of music constantly, run of the mill is definitely something I hear a lot. And, you know, what set both of these albums apart for me was that even despite the fact that I've heard a lot of, you know, folk-influenced metal, this does not sound like anybody else to me. 01:36:38.380 --> 01:37:07.900 And to compliment John, what he said earlier, this is ours, in a sense. This is American. Yeah. That is nice. It's American. Fuck yeah. Yeah, this is ours. This is made here in the States. Does that present a problem for you guys going forward if you were to try and tour more? Because other than Winter Hymn, a lot of American folk bands, I can't really think of so many metal folk bands. Do you have a problem touring with? 01:37:08.400 --> 01:37:38.300 Finding like-minded bands to put together a package, if you were, to tour? Yeah, I mean, that's definitely been a little bit of a struggle so far. Especially, you know, because we just book our own tours and stuff like that, and we're very much doing the DIY thing. So whenever we come to a new city or we're trying to, you know, lock down a gig in a new city, like trying to find a, put together a bill, it can be tough. I mean, we're okay with, we're definitely totally okay with playing with bands that are different. 01:37:38.460 --> 01:38:08.320 from us. We don't want to make it like all the bands are the exact same. We like diversity. But it is nice to try to play with somewhat similar bands just because not only is it a nice theme for the show, but then you get some fans coming in that they'll probably have a better chance of liking you if they're there for another band that's kind of similar. But yeah, but in America, it's tough. There's limited. We play with a lot of thrash bands, just a lot of death metal bands. 01:38:08.380 --> 01:38:37.940 Bands and that's great. I mean, I love that stuff, but it's you know, it's tough to find. Yeah, a lot of similar bands. We that's why we've done a couple tours with our friends of the band Aether Realm from North Carolina. I love those guys. Yeah, and they're they're folky kind of melodic death. What have you so you know, it's definitely not like a Marthish. Yeah, it's not it's not like you know, they're not that similar to us, but it's it's in like a similar vein of kind of more epic. Yeah, whatever. 01:38:38.400 --> 01:39:08.300 So that it works out for shows. And we're just all great friends. So it's been awesome. I actually read something somewhere recently, or maybe I heard it on another podcast or something. But somebody was talking about how one of the problems with the metal scene in America is that people feel they have to do this. They have to lump like bands together. So it's a death metal show, or it's a black metal show, or it's a folk metal show. Whereas in Europe, like with Vaken and all these other festivals, 01:39:08.960 --> 01:39:37.480 You run the gamut. You go from water run to viral remains. Yeah. And for Europeans, it's just like, they like it all. Whereas here, the American kids are so compartmentalized into, I like only black metal. I can only go to a show if it's all black metal bands. And I think that's a problem here. Yeah. That's why we try to like, you know. That's a great point, guys. We try to make some, 01:39:37.960 --> 01:40:05.480 Make some shows with some diverse lineups whenever we can. As long as the bands are quality. The genre is a little less relevant than just the quality of the band. That's really the most important thing. Because if you're preaching to the choir that it's all folk metal fans, you're not making any new fans. They already know about you. But if you're playing on a bill with a death metal band and a black metal band and a thrash metal band, you might pick up some new fans that were like, oh yeah, I didn't hear of these guys before. Great point. 01:40:06.680 --> 01:40:34.980 We've had a good handful of people who come to us and they're like, you know what? I don't really like this style of music, but this album's cool. At least from what people have told us, it doesn't quite fall into that genre as prominently as other albums do. 01:40:35.000 --> 01:40:39.060 So cool. 01:40:39.660 --> 01:40:42.680 I'll tell you, if there's a festival I'd love to see you guys at. 01:40:43.180 --> 01:40:44.120 I see George smiling. 01:40:44.780 --> 01:40:46.620 I'd love to see you guys play at Prog Power. 01:40:46.900 --> 01:40:48.880 I go down to that every single year in Atlanta. 01:40:49.500 --> 01:40:56.200 And I think there's enough fans from those two kind of camps and then all the in-betweens and the stragglers that go to that. 01:40:56.760 --> 01:40:58.420 I think you guys would go over really well there. 01:40:58.480 --> 01:40:58.760 Yeah. 01:40:59.140 --> 01:41:03.760 As a matter of fact, I saw two people with shirts on, which surprised me. 01:41:03.920 --> 01:41:33.880 And I stopped a guy and he just was like, oh man, it's my favorite band right now. And he was shocked that there was another World of Run fan at Prog Power. That's awesome. They were wearing your shirts at Prog Power. That's fucking cool, man. That's always where it starts. The problem for that festival is Glenn gets hit up with like a billion bands every festival for who's going to play. But I'd love to see guys. And it's a nice big stage. You get to play in front of a thousand people, who knows what can happen that night. And you might even be able to borrow some 01:41:33.900 --> 01:41:36.980 people from some of the other brands to play instruments. 01:41:37.450 --> 01:41:38.520 Yeah, yeah, they can come on stage. 01:41:38.960 --> 01:41:41.260 I mean, we would absolutely love to play that. 01:41:41.410 --> 01:41:46.880 I mean, as with anything, it's always hard to know exactly how you go about booking something like that. 01:41:47.020 --> 01:41:49.880 I mean, we don't have, you know, I'm the band manager. 01:41:51.000 --> 01:41:52.520 The band manager, the merchandiser. 01:41:53.640 --> 01:41:56.640 Yeah, and we don't really have much help with that. 01:41:56.840 --> 01:42:00.140 So, I mean, you know, but maybe I'll shoot him an email. 01:42:00.370 --> 01:42:01.360 See if something happens. 01:42:01.420 --> 01:42:02.320 John, you know him, don't you? 01:42:02.560 --> 01:42:32.100 Can you bend his ear a little? I don't know Glenn, but I, you know, and it's funny because I've been, this will be the 16th out of the 17th I've had that I'm going to. And I had tickets for the one I missed. So, but yeah, I guess a lot of times people just send him stuff directly and I don't know how he starts through all of it. I mean, you talk about how much stuff you reviewed, George, how much stuff the rest of us listen to. And I'm sure it's tenfold for him. Yeah. Wow. I'm assuming you have, 01:42:32.540 --> 01:43:02.520 a full-time job. Does that also... Because I'm always amazed that to us, you can release an album that is so grand to us, and we think, man, these guys aren't living off of this. But that's the reality. And all my friends who I talk to who, I'm the only metalhead at my job, they're kind of amazed. They're like, these guys have jobs. Does that kind of also, I'm assuming it does, affect how much time you can 01:43:02.540 --> 01:43:32.520 give to will to run and do you think maybe if you were to say fuck it and just live in a van down by the river then maybe you could tour more or something like that yeah i mean you know that's that's a constant struggle and it's always kind of the internal battle of of uh you know making a living versus making art yeah and i think i think anyone in this industry anyone in art at all you know music or otherwise has to deal with this struggle 01:43:33.620 --> 01:44:02.180 of just, yeah, you got to make a living. You got to make money somehow. And yeah, Wilderun is absolutely not a thing that we can live off of at the present moment. But you just got to love it enough to put in that extra time to maybe lose a little bit of sleep every now and then and maybe not go out and do normal social stuff if you need to, you know, 01:44:02.200 --> 01:44:32.180 Sit at home and write a song for a few hours. You know, you just gotta you gotta kind of make that choice. You know, it's it's it's definitely a little bit of a time dedication. But we love doing it and we couldn't imagine not doing it regardless of how you know, how tough it can be regarding normal life. So and then it also becomes the question of, you know, do you try to market it in a way where it could eventually become lucrative? But you know, that that becomes a tough question because then you got to start 01:44:32.220 --> 01:44:34.840 If you need to change the actual music 01:44:35.260 --> 01:44:37.900 and the art in order to make it more 01:44:39.659 --> 01:44:40.860 financially sustainable 01:44:41.250 --> 01:44:44.240 and that's a big internal battle right there 01:44:45.240 --> 01:44:48.340 A couple more and then we'll let you get on with your day 01:44:49.760 --> 01:44:51.400 Your guys' promo pictures 01:44:51.870 --> 01:44:54.160 I love the fucking look you have in them 01:44:54.700 --> 01:44:57.660 What a fancy man you guys are 01:44:57.660 --> 01:44:58.620 when you get all dressed up 01:44:59.360 --> 01:45:01.340 You guys look wonderful 01:45:01.340 --> 01:45:31.120 I love it. Do you guys keep that same look up when you guys play live shows? Yeah, we try to. I mean, we don't have like one set, you know, outfit that we wear every single show. Like we've changed it up a little bit. But we always just try to stay in that theme. We like to kind of, you know, dress up a little bit. I don't know. And, you know, we just try to have our attire be a theme and a vibe. So, you know, the theme of a lot of songs go over my dense fucking head. What would you, 01:45:31.340 --> 01:46:01.180 For people who haven't heard you guys, the theme and the lyrics of a lot of your guys' songs are about. There's definitely not really one theme. I mean, both albums kind of have their own identity. The first album was very much just about, you know, we just, the whole theme of the album, I guess, was just folklore and just like American folklore and folktales because, you know, like half those songs had actual traditional melodies in them. 01:46:01.780 --> 01:46:31.320 Like, you know, How Stands the Glass Around, Die in California, and those are traditional American folk songs. So that was kind of the theme of that record, was we just kind of wanted to have it be just old folk tales, you know, some of them a little bit more lighthearted than others. And then this new album was much more intimate, a lot more personal. Like, we wanted to maintain that atmosphere, that kind of folky, old-world atmosphere, but have it be more of a personal 01:46:31.640 --> 01:47:00.120 Intimate Story that dealt with, you know, it's not as much of like a literal tale as much of it. It's more of like an emotional tale that, you know, kind of, yeah, paints a picture that way as opposed to a more like literal one. So could you maybe spin this into like a concept album down the line? Any thoughts on that ever kind of since you do have this American folk, maybe take a character in American folklore. 01:47:01.440 --> 01:47:29.880 The Album. You know what? It's funny you say that. That's what I was thinking about in my head. But of course, my stupid... Babe, the blue eyes. Evan, I have a one and a half year old. So when I was thinking like American folk, I'm thinking like Three Little Pigs or something like that. Johnny Appleseed. Right, right, yeah. Yeah, I mean, we've thought about it. I guess it's just one of those things where if a really good idea comes to us, we'll go with it. But we don't want to force it. 01:47:31.360 --> 01:47:37.720 But we're definitely open to it. We're open to it, but 01:47:38.180 --> 01:47:39.360 we won't do it unless it's 01:47:40.640 --> 01:47:44.560 we're all really inspired by the idea and it seems like a good thing to do. 01:47:46.440 --> 01:47:48.960 Too early to start talking about the next album yet? 01:47:50.080 --> 01:47:52.620 Yeah, I mean, I guess there's not 01:47:52.760 --> 01:47:54.800 much I have to say 01:47:55.180 --> 01:47:56.560 just because we have 01:47:57.980 --> 01:48:01.320 melodies and riffs lying around that we may or may not 01:48:01.320 --> 01:48:04.580 But that's pretty much the extent of it right now. We don't have any 01:48:05.240 --> 01:48:07.580 really concrete ideas of what we want the next album 01:48:07.610 --> 01:48:09.740 to be yet. But I'm excited 01:48:09.840 --> 01:48:10.920 to see what it's going to be because 01:48:11.780 --> 01:48:13.040 even I don't really know yet. 01:48:13.960 --> 01:48:15.740 We'll see. Any plans 01:48:15.810 --> 01:48:17.580 for touring? I know you guys are all 01:48:17.760 --> 01:48:19.160 spread out and jobs, but 01:48:19.720 --> 01:48:21.620 anything possibly lined up? I know you 01:48:21.650 --> 01:48:23.440 did a tour a little while ago. 01:48:23.800 --> 01:48:25.500 Yeah, well, nothing specific 01:48:25.800 --> 01:48:27.220 planned yet, but we definitely 01:48:28.080 --> 01:48:29.340 want to tour next year. 01:48:29.840 --> 01:48:57.740 We'd like to do at least a couple tours next year, hopefully earlier than later, just to kind of, you know, we want to kind of ride off of some of the buzz that's been around the record. And so we definitely want to hit the road sooner than later. But where and exactly when, I really don't know yet. But come December, January, wait till you see buzz. When these guys, when everybody, again, look for those final best of lists. Yeah. 01:48:59.820 --> 01:49:29.800 our website and the most downloads. Definitely. I'm telling you, you haven't seen Buzz yet. Mark my word. These guys are going to be on numerous lists. And when you get out there, make sure to come DC or Baltimore. Absolutely. Yeah, we'd love to. Any plans? The listeners of our podcast would crucify us if we didn't ask. Any vinyl plans? We've always thought about it, and we definitely want to do it eventually. It's expensive. I think that's honestly been the main reason why we haven't done it yet. And it's just we'd have to get 01:49:31.640 --> 01:49:59.620 If you want to do vinyl right, you've got to get it remastered for vinyl and stuff. We want to make sure if we do vinyl, we want to make it sound as good as we can and print it for the highest quality that we can. We definitely want to, and I would say that there's a very good chance that we will eventually, but we just need to get the funds and the right recording for it. You ever want to do a test pressing, I've got a nice record player in a nice home that would keep it safe. 01:49:59.840 --> 01:50:29.080 And of course you'll do both albums. Yeah, well, I will keep it in mind. Absolutely. Yeah, and Evan, if the time were to come, you would press both albums, correct? I guess that just depends on our funds, really. I mean, we would love to do both. I mean, we'd probably have to start with one. Right. Just to test out, to see how it sells, and just see how it all works. I'm just curious, because we don't do the band camp. Jay's in a band. 01:50:29.840 --> 01:50:59.500 on Bandcamp. George likes buying CDs and ripping flack files. How have the CD sales been? Are you still getting a large amount of people buying the physical disc? A good amount, yeah. It kind of comes and goes in waves. Obviously, when we released the record, we got a bunch of sales, and then it kind of died down a little bit. And then we got a really good review from Angry Metal Guy. Yeah, I read that. He gave us a really nice review. And that was cool, because so many people read that site. As soon as that was published, 01:50:59.820 --> 01:51:29.800 That whole week or two weeks after that, we got just a bunch of new orders, just all for records and a couple shirts and stuff. That was awesome. Now it's tapering down a little bit now again, but we still get a few every week. It hasn't completely died yet. The Metalhead podcast is going to make it fucking rain. We're going to drive you deep into a black hole. It's hard to tell. You need to always do a Kickstarter to fund the 01:51:29.820 --> 01:51:57.160 I'm sure people would totally invest in that. I know I would. Yes, I'm telling you guys, if you were to do a Kickstarter for the vinyl, without a doubt you have four guys right here who buy in. Is that anything you've ever thought of? Well, we did the Kickstarter for the last record, so we definitely know it works. Although, you know, we do want to be a little bit careful as far as how much we use that, because it's a great tool. 01:52:02.880 --> 01:52:29.800 I personally, George is maybe in a different mindset, George says, "Hey, if you do it and it works and people keep buying into it, good." I say, "Hey, you've done it. You already have an established product. Maybe you don't need it for the fifth or sixth album." Right. Yeah. I mean, you don't want to oversaturate and keep going back to the same well. Eventually people are going to be like, "Nah, I'm done." Right, exactly. Yeah. And I'm sure that if we did a Kickstarter again, we'd be kind of banking off of 01:52:29.820 --> 01:52:31.100 some of the same people. 01:52:31.170 --> 01:52:37.720 And we don't want to, you know, we don't want to, like, put that on the same people too many times in a row. 01:52:37.990 --> 01:52:40.960 Like, you know, people have lives and expenses and stuff. 01:52:41.460 --> 01:52:45.540 But at the same time, it gives people the opportunity to get what they want. 01:52:45.590 --> 01:52:49.880 In this case, if there are fans of vinyl, you know, it's not like they're put out. 01:52:49.890 --> 01:52:51.440 They're actually getting something for it. 01:52:51.960 --> 01:52:58.080 And, you know, if there isn't enough of demand, then, you know, it doesn't get funded and, you know, no harm, no foul. 01:52:58.560 --> 01:53:28.480 Yeah, but I think what Evan is saying is your mom can only give so many times. Right, right, right. Very good point. But if there is a demand for that specific product, then it's not necessarily a bad thing. That's true. It's definitely something we're keeping in mind, and there's probably a good chance that we'll be using it again at some point for something. Evan, just get us some vinyl. That's all we're saying. I mean, I don't know what we're going to say here, 01:53:30.480 --> 01:53:56.420 It's good to know that there's some definite people that want it. It's good to know that it has some demand. I'd like to suggest extremely limited edition four copies. One color. With our own color waves pressed on each room. Someone will get the pink one. I'll take the grass green one. 01:53:58.540 --> 01:54:28.120 All right, well, why don't we go ahead and get into playing the first song, which is going to be And So Opens the Earth, Ash Memory Part 1. Now, I know you've already talked about this, you know, the four parts of the song a little bit, but do you want to talk about this a little bit before we play it, or are you good? I guess, yeah, I would just, there's really nothing too specific, I have to say, just it's kind of the, yeah, it's just the beginning of the journey. That's all I can say, really. Okay. Actually, that was pretty fucking deep. 01:54:28.220 --> 01:54:36.400 That was pretty deep right there. The beginning of the journey. And the album is a journey, man. Yeah. From start to finish. All right. Well, let's get into the song now. 01:55:14.440 --> 01:55:15.840 ДИНАМИЧНАЯ МУЗЫКА 01:56:38.100 --> 01:57:04.500 After years of hiding in the dark, a sound is heard and the shadows pull apart. Just a whisper, just a fading song, a prey to capture before its voice has gone. I've sought the strength of the blood of my past, so nothing I'm breathing is ever meant to last. 01:57:06.340 --> 01:57:25.120 The candlelighted in the winter skulls from the wheels you crawl, a life-knowing story you see. 01:57:26.660 --> 01:57:33.100 The mountain pass is marked with the palace and stone on the leaves. 01:57:33.300 --> 01:57:36.220 The fallen that's real is overgrown. 01:57:36.400 --> 01:57:40.640 I have forged a leg with the strength that I steal. 01:57:40.940 --> 01:57:45.300 From a false remembrance of time that wasn't real. 01:57:45.860 --> 01:57:57.020 No way for the force will be lost. 01:58:01.300 --> 01:58:09.580 The darkly world has never been born 01:58:57.940 --> 01:59:00.360 And if we stand, 01:59:02.320 --> 01:59:04.920 Joy stands in our face. 01:59:06.220 --> 01:59:35.160 So we will hold the trust that took this stage So the last moves past So we are all past 02:00:12.739 --> 02:00:35.160 All right, that was the first part of our interview with Evan Berry of Wilderun. And that was the song, And So Opens the Earth, Ash Memory Part 1. Stick around to the end of the show, and we will play you a little bit more with Evan and another song from the Wilderun album. Okay, so while you were listening to the interview, we went and refilled our 02:00:35.220 --> 02:01:05.140 What are we drinking now, John? We are drinking an excellent stout. It's an Imperial stout, so it's going to be a little bit bigger. It's 12%. And it is called Speedway Stout from Alesmith Brewing. I believe it's Alesmith Brewing Company in San Diego. Nice. And it's definitely one of my favorites. It is tasty. It's got a little bit of an added coffee bit to it to give it some more flavor. I like the coffee in my stout. I like the coffee, the coffee and the chocolate not so much, but the coffee I like in the stout a little bit. And it's not overly good. 02:01:05.200 --> 02:01:35.160 done, which is nice. So it's not kind of browbeat me or anything. It's a nice, smooth ride. I feel really bad for Jay right now. I mean, we probably always say this when we're drinking the different beers, but I'm just looking at him going, and he's looking, and he's like, hmm, look at that beer. Don't feel bad for this guy. Can I tell you why not to feel bad for this guy? Funny story. We play NHL 16 on the Xbox One, and if anybody wants to challenge us, my gamer 02:01:36.920 --> 02:02:03.940 I fucking love Opeth. Everything of mine, I had no idea. Sunday night next week, I'll be there. London. Do you think it's going to be the same set list? I don't even want to know what the set list is. I hope it is. Don't look. I'm not looking. Is that the show where they're recording the entirety of the 25th anniversary or something? Yeah, I don't know what they're doing because they just played the Bulgarian ancient Greek theater or whatever it was there and they did some badass show there. 02:02:05.220 --> 02:02:35.160 up to it. I'm like, I sat their speeches looking at it. I guess we can get that because I know you bring up about Ackerfeld. Yeah, we'll mention that. But to quickly say, don't give this guy any credit or feel bad for him. We play NHL 16 on the Xbox One. My gamer tag is Opeth Space Bodum. So Opeth Bodum. Look me up. Challenge me. Bring it. Well, there's a game mode on there. Hockey Ultimate Team. And what you do in the Hockey Ultimate Team 02:02:35.200 --> 02:03:02.300 The name is you build teams and you open digital packs. Each pack costs $3 a pack. Or you can grind out some games and buy packs that way. Well, I've been buying a lot of packs, probably to the tune of $100 last check. And players have different values. I'm getting to the point. I am. I'm getting to the fucking point. 02:03:05.180 --> 02:03:35.140 I'm glad for this guy. He says, "Puke, I told him my top line. I have Joe Thornton and I have Marlowe, both Sharks fans, Sharks players." So I'm like, he's like, "Dude, I just opened up a Weber." I'm like, "Shea Weber, the best D-man in the game? Fuck yeah, I'll trade you a Marlowe for a Weber." I get so excited, I'm telling Steph, "Steph, I'm gonna get Shea Weber, and my team's gonna be great. My blue line, which is one of my weaknesses, is gonna be fixed and addressed." I go to set up the trade. I put Marlowe on the trade. 02:03:35.200 --> 02:04:05.160 The Trade Blocks, other people could have bought him. And he looks at the cards and he goes, oh, it's Yannick Weber. Okay, I don't know what that has to do with beer. All I can say is, nerds! No, because you were saying, oh, you feel bad for him? Don't feel bad for him. Don't cry for me, Argentina. Don't cry for him. Get me all excited for Yannick Weber. It would just be like saying, yeah, he's going to see Opeth next week, but it's like, O-P, the number 02:04:05.180 --> 02:04:34.900 3-T-H. Oh, it's O-Tap, not O-Tap. Exactly. How many times have we gotten that? That was our joke for the rest of the night. It was like, hey, Buker, got no Vetchkin to treat you. Oh, wait, no, I'm sorry. It's Bill Ovechkin. That happened to me with a show. I went to see what I thought was Overkill. It was a show. It was Urge, Overkill. It was a band, Urge, Overkill. It was a small club in town. I was like, damn, Overkill's playing here. We all went in, paid our cover charge, went in there, and we were like, what the fuck is this? This is not Overkill. 02:04:36.239 --> 02:05:04.780 Who is this? So you're still saying fuck you anyway? Yeah. We don't care what you're saying. Fuck you. But my bears come at night, so I'm always drinking bear when we're playing. So in-game, a Shea Weber goes for about 150,000 coins. Yannick Weber is hot on the trade block right now for 600 coins. Shea Weber is, I think, an 89 or a 90 rating. Yannick Weber is an 82. I deserve every bit of this. 02:05:05.180 --> 02:05:07.980 All right, well, why don't we get into some news? 02:05:21.360 --> 02:05:29.000 Let me take this one, George. You got it. Hank Sherman, guitar player for formerly of Merciful Fate, who also has a new release out, 02:05:29.860 --> 02:05:32.840 says he would love to make one final cool album with Merciful Fate. 02:05:32.840 --> 02:06:02.820 And the reason I want to take this is they're probably easily my top three favorite bands of all time. And that's based on basically just three releases, you know, the early three releases. But yeah, fuck yeah. I'd be honest with you, I didn't read the news story, George. I would like to know where you read this, what was the context under where you read it. It was on Blabbermouth. And I want to pat myself on the back here a little bit. We were talking about this the other day and I said, I bet you after King Diamond finishes up with this Abigail tour, he's going to 02:06:02.860 --> 02:06:32.820 go back and do something with merciful fate. I stand by that now. I think that'll happen. Especially, you know what, also because King's doing the Abigail tour right now. He's kind of feeling nostalgic, I'm assuming. You know, I got my fingers crossed. Yeah, I hope it happens. I was browsing through the news this week and Phil Anselmo, it was announced that he has launched a new extreme metal project, Scour. How bad do you think it's going to suck? Not because I'm dissing 02:06:32.860 --> 02:07:02.640 But because when Phil does extreme metal projects, they kind of suck. I was so excited. I raced out to Best Buy to get Phil Anselmo and Illegals, his last solo album that he did. I maybe did half a listen. It was bad. It was bad. We will give it a listen. We will give it a fair shake. But if things work out well, and I have been confirmed this Friday, I will be traveling to Philadelphia to interview Phil. Woohoo! 02:07:02.860 --> 02:07:31.400 So I will mention that to him. Is there any other is there names attached to this anything to scour is it just Phil and like a bunch of guys you never heard of I didn't see anything if I did I didn't recognize them. So I saw a picture you know that that sweet picture that just came out that I might be hearing later in the news. Phil's gained some weight dude. He fluctuates. He's a chunky monkey. He fluctuates. He's maybe we get him on the pod you know I mean you know other than Jay we can we get him to replace Jay. 02:07:33.860 --> 02:08:02.820 There's a weight minimum to be on this podcast. So he does. So Friday, when I interview Phil, that will be, I will have interviewed Phil and Mike. I'm done. Yeah, I can drop. Yeah, I can leave the pod now. Mic drop, walk away. Yep. Mic drop. That's it. See ya. Time to take up a new genre. Speaking of which, I haven't officially announced this yet. So I'm going to do that now. There's going to be a new Metal Heads website coming out very soon. I could probably go live with it like tomorrow, but I'm, as Puke likes to say, I'm a 02:08:03.640 --> 02:08:32.820 I'm trying to nail out the last few details, but this site, the current site, all it is is a logo and a bunch of streaming podcast links. Basically, what I'm going to do here is I'm going to roll Metal Disciple up into the same site as Metalheads. So not only will you have the podcasts, you'll have written reviews, you'll have interviews, you'll have videos, tons of fun. That's pretty good. And also on YouTube, you have taken the interviews and made them separate. Yeah, and that was sort of where I was going with this was that 02:08:32.860 --> 02:08:55.760 Where possible, I have scraped the interviews out of the podcasts and made them stand alone so you can listen to just the interviews on the website or on YouTube for those people that maybe you just want to listen to the interview or maybe, you know, for whatever reason. It's just one of the many services we offer. 02:08:56.060 --> 02:09:00.500 Well, I want to pitch it, too, though, because it's a chance for us to get a little bit more in-depth about some stuff. 02:09:01.360 --> 02:09:31.240 George and I are both writing some reviews right now. We're gonna be doing some editorials on the page. That's where like the year-end lists are gonna go. That was sort of the motivating factor of me trying to get this finished because I've been working on this since like January. Yeah. And I was like, we gotta have some place to hang our hats come into the year to put these lists up so I gotta get my shit done. And if any of our listeners write and would maybe like to possibly submit an album review or two, 02:09:31.340 --> 02:10:01.300 for consideration to maybe join the site. Yeah, you know, email us, Facebook us, tweet us, whatever you want to do. If, you know, if you can write it above a second grade level, so that obviously bukes out. Yeah, obviously. But, you know, if you want to try your hand at writing some reviews, pick an album. Serious commitment. Yeah. Not somebody who's going to trail off after one or two. Yeah, I've had a lot of flaky people in the past to write a couple of reviews and then they disappear and, you know, I can't count. 02:10:02.820 --> 02:10:05.140 I've already read Jay's first review and let me tell you 02:10:05.920 --> 02:10:09.240 like I told him it beats the shit out of anything I've ever written period so 02:10:09.680 --> 02:10:16.260 I cannot wait to share that with people awesome yeah we got more coming too we go and actually I'll go ahead and just tell you it is a review of 02:10:16.880 --> 02:10:22.580 four phantoms by Bellwitch yep so and I've got more I'm writing some more right now I'm going to get off to George and 02:10:23.600 --> 02:10:28.639 and just a fun new avenue for the podcast and vice versa 02:10:28.640 --> 02:10:58.580 Yep, so look for that real soon. And I want to take a minute to thank you for putting all that hard work into, George. I know that shit can be frustrating and time-consuming, and it really is pretty. It looks nice. It pulls in all our little avenues like Twitch, Twitter. We've got all these little feeds in there. George has got all these little feeds in there. It's kind of a one-stop shopping thing for Metal Heads Podcast. Yeah, you can get to our Facebook from there, our Twitter from there, our YouTube, our Instagram. Updates show up. You can stream all the podcasts. 02:10:59.920 --> 02:11:28.520 and there's a new thing, you know, up until now you could stream it or you could download it from iTunes. There's going to be an actual direct download link. There's a listener of ours in Peru. I want to give him a shout out. He requested direct downloads and I was like, you know, how am I going to work this with the statistics? And I figured out a way to do it so that when you click the link, it redirects through PodTrack that does our tracking and gives you a direct download. 02:11:28.660 --> 02:11:58.560 and gives us a number. So that's going to be a new feature. If you don't want to go through iTunes, you can just download it and listen to it however the hell you want. And again, any podcast app at all. We mention iTunes a lot, but any podcast app that searches RSS feeds, which they all do, if you type in Metalhead's podcast, you'll see our logo come up. Yeah. And if you don't, you can usually request it. Or if there's something that you use for podcasts and you can't find us on there, let us know, and we will make sure it gets submitted. 02:11:58.640 --> 02:12:27.980 to it so that you can listen to it there. Did you guys know that Kitty is still around? I did not know this until I heard the other day that they just released a cover of David Bowie's Space Oddity. I hadn't heard that name since Drunk Matt was on the pod. Yeah. Well, you know, it's funny, but they actually just self-produced and financed, I think through Kickstarter or something, a documentary about the history of that band. They did it themselves. I remember when they were first on the scene, 02:12:28.400 --> 02:12:58.360 They were billed as an all-girl death metal band. And I was like, okay, because she's got the harsh-ish vocals, but you listen to Kitty now, and you're like, this is not death metal. Yeah, they debuted with that single, Brack-ish. And listening to this, I'm like, you like that Kitty pull? I don't even know. I couldn't tell you a single song by them. But other than Space Oddity, which I listened to, and I was like, that doesn't sound like Kitty that I used to know. But I was just surprised they were still around at all. I figured they must have broken up 02:12:58.400 --> 02:12:58.640 by now. 02:13:00.300 --> 02:13:30.260 Yeah, they were never as big as I think. It was, okay, you know what, I'm going to get myself in Dangerous Ground here. It's just. They're the runaways of harder metal. We skipped over it. I'm just going to mention it real quick. Trivium defending their new album. We mentioned that last week, how it was bad. Or it was a couple episodes ago when I played you it. Yeah. The single, it's bad. It is. I've been trying to get through the whole album and I just can't do it. Partly because just I haven't been able to pay it. 02:13:32.180 --> 02:14:00.280 I've actually got a friend who I'm not gonna name since he likes the album he was like hey man it's not that bad you know I was like yeah it is I never got into them yeah never I've seen them live I like the earlier stuff I thought they were good before but yeah not so much now all right moving on Borknagr or however you pronounce it to release the gear Borknagr Borknagr Borknagr it just sounds more like Swedish chef when you say that Borknagr 02:14:00.320 --> 02:14:03.180 A. G.I.E. Christmas drink 02:14:30.320 --> 02:15:00.200 from their upcoming album Dystopia just coming out on January 22nd. The song is called Fatal Illusion. And I'm a little torn on it myself. Me too. As I mentioned in the message to you guys, it has a little bit of a Black Friday vibe, I think, in sort of the meter of it, which is like, okay, well, that's old school. That's cool. Yet at the same time, it wasn't that hooky. The chorus is kind of dumb. Yeah. But it does sound better, like leap years beyond. 02:15:00.360 --> 02:15:30.200 Super Collider. Oh yeah, that was just... So yeah, I'm like, I don't know. And I was curious what you guys thought. Nobody said anything. Well, I'll tell you what I think. Because we had to save it from the pod. What's that, what's that, B? I'm saying we have to save our thoughts for the pod. You know, I had, my bass player had his birthday party last night. So I was there and he always has this great thing where he floats around like his iPhone and he keeps this constant stream of videos streaming through his television and speakers so people are choosing music all night. And I mentioned that, 02:15:30.320 --> 02:16:00.280 I hadn't heard it yet so we put it up listened to it last night for the first time and the best thing I can say about it is that I like it's it was a little heavier I liked it way better than anything on super collider which I didn't even make it through and up until he started singing then I got a little wavery about it it was a little the intro was a little like scattered it was like okay get to the fucking point but then once they got to the point I was like maybe maybe so I'm on the fence I guess it's my it's hopeful there's there's some hope 02:16:01.780 --> 02:16:30.100 When it comes to Mustaine Death, I have a hard time because I know enough from some people in the industry that I'm friends with to know about him. That kind of pisses me off. I'm not out to knock him. Hey, John, you don't have to knock him. He's knocked himself so hard in interviews over the years. That's the real sad part because this conversation came up last night with a friend. We were at an Oktoberfest. He's a guitar guy, but he's a guitar player. 02:16:30.280 --> 02:17:00.139 So all his music is through guitar players, not through bands. And he's a huge Chris Broderick fan. And I almost said Justin Broderick. I was like, oh, yes, cool. Wait, is that Shea Broderick? Yeah, exactly. Shea Broderick? And I'm a huge Chris Broderick fan, too. I remember Dave, this is the greatest guitarist ever. I'll never want to play with anybody else ever again. And then he wouldn't let him do anything. 02:17:00.300 --> 02:17:30.200 on the albums. So I'm burned out on Dave. Which pisses me off because I love those first five, six albums they did. Even Euthanasia, which is... I love Euthanasia. It's one of my favorites. Still a completely different band, but that opening track, Rackin' Day, you're like, whoa! I want to just crush somebody! That's the one with the train of consequences on that record too, right? Maybe as a guitarist, like, hey, I can't... I'm not young and I can't... I think Dave feels too complacent and relaxed. 02:17:30.899 --> 02:17:59.860 I don't get it because he's had Chris Poland, he's had Marty, and he's had this guy. Even Glenn Drover was a great guitarist. He's just running everybody out. I got the whole thing. I have no problems if he wanted to move in a different direction on the drummer. He's replaced Sean Drover with a much better drummer, I think, personally. Without a fucking doubt. Probably the best drummer in metal, I would say now. He's one of them. I mean, depending on what you like. He's definitely one of them. He's the reason I was curious to hear the new song. 02:18:00.280 --> 02:18:29.700 Yeah. And I like the actual guitarist they have. He's the guy from Angra, who I think is pretty good. But I'm just a big Chris Broderick fan. I always liked him. So. Well, you know, I think, too, I think it's a couple of different things. And this is just me supposing. But I'm pretty sure what happens is, A, they come in and they don't really get to do anything creative or fun. They just kind of do what Dave tells them to do. And then in the second level, I don't think he pays them very well. And so I think you add those two things together and people are like, you know what, I thought this was going to be cool, but I'm making as much as my wife, the waitress. 02:18:30.300 --> 02:18:58.099 and I'm not expressing myself musically, so fuck it. And I leave. Does that sound like the Nick Menza story here with the reunion? Kind of? That's exactly what it was. Exactly. John, were you a Jagdpanzer fan? You know, I never got in, but I've seen them. I was going to say, you have to be a Jagdpanzer fan. Yeah, I was going to say, if you were high on Chris. Well, I saw them, well, I got high on Chris because of Nevermore when he played with them. I totally forgot. Yeah, he actually was a villain on the live stuff. Yep. 02:19:00.280 --> 02:19:29.219 I was like, what the fuck? Did I tell you we met Van? Yeah, yeah. I'll just say that again. Yeah, yeah. Trust me. That's another situation. I'm not going to say any more than that. And I've met Jeff before when they were touring with Opeth. One of the nicest guys I've ever met. And you guys tell me Van's just awesome. I'm like... You know where the problems are there. And that's a shame because I love Nevermore. We do, yes. Well, I think they can save it until after the pod, but I think these guys got some insight they can share with you off the air. 02:19:29.719 --> 02:19:59.340 And I know people who are, and I know people, yeah, okay. We'll leave it at that. We'll leave it at that. So, Candlemas, you know, they have stated in the past that they've got this replacement singer guy, and they're not going to record any more albums, they're just going to do live shows. But, despite that, they are going to record a new EP for their 30th anniversary. I'll ask them all. Who's singing with them now? His name's like Matt. Matt. 02:20:00.699 --> 02:20:29.700 Matt. Oh, is it Matt Levine? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He sang with Therian, I think, for a while. Okay. Yeah. He's been around for a gazillion years. I've never heard him because he hasn't been on an album. He's only played with them live, so I have no idea. I'm a huge, huge Messiah Mark Holin fan, so for me, if it's not Messiah or it's not Leif singing... Or, hey, I like the Robert Lowe stuff. I was just... 02:20:29.740 --> 02:20:59.020 Sorry, I am mistaken. I do like the Robert Lowe stuff as well. I was just going to say, Jay, I remember you mentioning that before, and I'm a big fan of him with them and with his other band. Solid Duty Eternal. Matt has sung for Candlemas, Apocalyptica, Ingway, Therian, Crux. Everybody has sung for Ingway. Everybody. Yeah, Matt has been around. He's big on the advance. It's just I'm tired of different sounds. 02:20:59.720 --> 02:21:04.520 I like I it's I was a little bit unsure about the Robert Lowe era but when King of the 02:21:04.600 --> 02:21:28.779 Grey Islands came out I was like holy fucking shit this is good yeah no I mean but I'm not really a well-known thing you know it's it's like saying oh well like James Hedfield is gonna sing for Slayer now what you're like fuck yeah you know exactly but and also he made good records with them too I mean those are all three good he sung on facing the animal whatever 97 but I I'm sure everybody has that one 02:21:29.300 --> 02:21:58.600 Which wife was that for Invin at that point? How many Ferraris did he have at that point? But I'm with you, George. I don't know. I don't need to follow them into yet another lead singer. I will listen to whatever track they stream. Of course. Yeah, same here. Speaking of tracks that are available for streaming, have we listened to the new Swallow the Sun song? No. And? Anyone? Yes. It's called Heartstrings Shattering from their forthcoming Songs of the North 1, 2, and 3, which is due to November 13th. I liked it. 02:21:58.800 --> 02:22:28.160 I have to say it didn't hold my attention for the entirety of the song. I mean, I was doing something, so it could be my fault. But it did sound good. I had no issues with what it sounded like. So I am certainly looking forward to hearing more of that. So are we saying that this song is a, not going back to previous albums, but maybe a departure from the last one, which was kind of, it was good, but not on my list. 02:22:28.220 --> 02:22:57.720 I mean like New Moon is sort of my thing. Me too. Hope was my peak for them. Hope and New Moon are my two. And I gotta say, it's been a while since I've listened, but I don't recall those having clean vocals. I don't remember on Hope, no. He's done a little more as time's gone on. Probably because of his work with Barren Earth. Right, and there was a lot of clean vocals, which was my thing. I was like, I don't know. I mean, you know, I think of, I think of Swallow the Sun, I think of Death, Doom. And so harsh vocals, 02:22:58.220 --> 02:23:27.660 music and there was a lot of clean music and a lot of clean vocals and I'm not opposed to that. I think I just need to give another lesson. It's a big release. Three albums. Jay, seeing these two guys look at each other and talk back and forth, it's like I'm sitting with two world powers. They're fucking bouncing mental knowledge. Pew, pew, pew, pew, pew. It's like Churchill and Stalin. Pew, pew, pew. Yeah, pew, pew, pew, exactly. I see it in Dr. Strangelove. It's the war room. This is amazing. I'm just sitting back like, wow. 02:23:28.200 --> 02:23:57.080 I like Swallow the Sun. They got some cool stuff. They're my favorite song. No Light, No Hope. Oh, man, I fucking love that track. We got some bad news this past week. I broke it again. Yeah, you're the fucking angel of death, man. Fucking Buke. Yep. Sater from Satiricon announced that he has a brain tumor, which, I mean, first of all, what the fuck is it with heavy metal causing brain tumors? 02:23:58.220 --> 02:24:27.360 I don't know. Fucking, you know, Chuck, James Murphy, you know. I bet there's more. I don't understand it. Heavy metal people, brain tumors. Fucking cut it out. But the silver lining here is it sounds like it's not as bad as it could be. He says it's not malignant. They don't know for sure, but they think that it's benign and that he won't have to have surgery if it doesn't continue to grow. That basically he would just deal with it. Oh boy. Rough. 02:24:28.439 --> 02:24:57.120 I've never heard of anybody having that situation where it didn't continue to at least grow, even if it was benign. I have a coworker of mine who has a reoccurring one. Yeah. And they cut it out of his brain. It grows back another couple years. They have to go back in and do it. He's had like four or five. I had a coworker at one of my last jobs. He was one cool son of a bitch. And when I met him, you know, he was, 02:24:57.560 --> 02:25:27.540 He was quite a bit younger than me. And for the better part of his teenage life and of his adulthood, he'd been dealing with a brain tumor. And he had scars on the back of his neck. That's how my co-worker is. Up into his head there, where they had to go in and operate. And he was one of the most upbeat, cool guys you'll ever meet. You see the guy and you're like, whoa, what the fuck happened? And so he was one of those people that he doesn't just like 02:25:27.580 --> 02:25:57.540 He meets you the first time and is like, "Hey, in case you're wondering, I had a brain tumor." And he'll tell you all about it. And so it's not like this thing. And he was such a cool guy. And he's like, "Oh, yeah, I've had a couple of surgeries and it's gone and everything." But before I left, it came back, he died. And fuck brain tumors, man. Well, the best to him. Hopefully this is not another unfortunate 02:25:58.359 --> 02:26:27.280 It's tough hearing this as we get older. Yeah. It really is. It's happening more and more. Constant reminder to, I know a lot of people who listen to metal kind of like to wallow in sadness or stuff like that. Just enjoy life. Yeah, you know, we may like music that's dark and depressing and what have you, but tomorrow, the next second is not guaranteed. Yeah, you still gotta enjoy what you got. We like music that's dark and depressing, 02:26:27.620 --> 02:26:28.380 Stop Killing Our Guys. 02:26:28.870 --> 02:26:29.000 Yeah. 02:26:29.330 --> 02:26:29.440 Yeah. 02:26:30.030 --> 02:26:32.280 I want them to keep making that dark and depressing music. 02:26:34.259 --> 02:26:38.360 And it's always like the guys that I, I mean, I'm a huge Satircon fan. 02:26:38.580 --> 02:26:40.920 That's one of, definitely one of my top black metal bands. 02:26:42.219 --> 02:26:47.180 And Sater, for years, I've just, you know, I feel like he's always been sort of ahead 02:26:47.180 --> 02:26:51.700 of the pack in, you know, people call him a sellout or, you know, whatever. 02:26:51.940 --> 02:26:56.439 I think, you know, he's evolved black metal from the earliest days into what they're doing 02:26:56.540 --> 02:27:26.060 now and I think he's brilliant and so I hope he'll be able to continue making music for years to come. Sigh. Yeah. So speaking of cancers. Yeah. So you know they do these rock and roll fantasy camps where people with too much expendable income they can go and. You going to go to one John? Dude I'm living a fucking fantasy camp right now man. What a nice guy. You want to do with you guys right now man? They can go to these like. 02:27:26.440 --> 02:27:56.400 Week-long getaways where you get people, rock stars, that will teach you how to play guitar better and teach you stuff. And at the end of the week, you play a show at wherever this is. They all play Breaking the Law together. The easiest metal songs they can find. And my wife actually had considered trying to get me one of these at one point. And I'm like, I can't play guitar anymore. It's been so long. I'm terrible. Just listen to those episodes that I took down. 02:27:58.080 --> 02:28:25.660 The Retrospective Ones. No stage can hope to contain this man. Anyway, the point being that I'm actually tempted now, because they've got one with Tony Iommi, Steve Vai, and Zach Wilde. Now, Steve Vai, forget about it. The guy's got 12-inch fingers. I could never play like him. I certainly respect the man and enjoy what he does, but I would be, like, humping Tony Iommi's leg that whole week. 02:28:25.700 --> 02:28:54.900 I will say this about Steve Vai. My buddy, who I had the conversation last night about, Chris Broder, we flew out to Anaheim for him to do a Steve Vai, like his own fantasy thing. My buddy, he's been playing for years, and he's like, oh, I've got to meet Steve Vai. We met him. And I hung out at the bar and just dragged all the time. A really nice guy, and just said it was a lot of fun because just hearing him talk about playing guitar, because Vai is all over the place. He's just too far beyond anything that I could comprehend. 02:28:54.940 --> 02:29:20.760 And that's how he views him. He's just like, he's up there, he's the Mount Rushmore of guitarists. That's one of his guys. Yeah, he's definitely on Mount Rushmore. And of course, no disrespect to Zach. Zach's amazing as well. I'd love to meet Zach, but come on. Tony Iommi, I'd be open his leg all week. The difference between those two for me is Zach's in a band called Zach Sabbath. Yes, I saw that. And the other guy is Black Sabbath. The other guy invented heavy metal. 02:29:24.980 --> 02:29:54.500 I'm glad he's still active. What is Steve Vai known for? He was a couple of things. He tore with Zappa. I know that. That was his first name. I'm sorry, John. One of the things that really brought him a lot of fame was this 80s movie called Crossroads. He played the devil. Everybody knows that was Rolf Malachio. Come on now. But he actually plays both guitar parts in that. And then he was in the original incarnation of David Letterman's, or David Letterman, David Lee Roth's band. 02:29:54.520 --> 02:30:23.840 Yeah, I saw him on David Lee Roth's first Edelman Smile tour. Which, by the way, a record I owned and was not. That was the three-neck heart guitar, wasn't it? I believe, in the video. That's right, that's right. Yeah, but I think his heart lies, though, at Zappa. You know, when he was just a kid, I think it was 19 or 20 with him or something. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, he's just phenomenal. And, you know, he's got solo albums of just instrumental music and stuff. 02:30:24.140 --> 02:30:54.120 Oh, his band has some of the best players in the world, too. I thought Steve Vai was the guy from Bruce Springsteen's band from these. Steve Van Zandt. Yeah, Steve Van Zandt. The funny thing is, I was more of a Joe Saturiani fan than Steve Vai. Me, too. Tell me you're not a Chicken Foot fan. Which is funny. I don't mind the guys in the band. I like them all in their respective bands. I'm a big Sammy Hagar fan. Oh, man. That's my first hard rock memory. 1981 on the 02:31:07.361 --> 02:31:11.920 A year or two ago I saw Sammy Hagar play at the Washington 02:31:12.170 --> 02:31:17.620 National Stadium like it was one of those like post-game concerts free concerts and they 02:31:17.830 --> 02:31:24.120 rolled this stage out and I wasn't expecting anything from it he's almost 70 years old and he fucking tore it up 02:31:24.520 --> 02:31:54.060 I was like, he is so badass. I'm standing empty. He opens up with a song, Heavy Metal, you know, from the soundtrack, which was on the album. He's hanging from the rafters during Red. I'm like, who is this guy? And he's just going back and forth, man, I'm fucking, I'm from San Francisco. Everybody cheering. He was like a bright-eyed kid just looking up at this thing. We're going to fucking rock this place. He's like, fuck. We're going to rock this place. I heard the Cow Palace was a shithole, too. That's all right. It smells like cows. Yeah, but Jay, have you been to the Cow Palace? 02:31:54.140 --> 02:32:23.100 Yeah, I saw Metallica there, and I've been to other events there. The Sharks used to play there, right, Jay? Yeah, and the Warriors played there for a while. It's the Cow Palace, man. You fucking go to the Cow Palace. It's just there. Dude, there's some famous, there's a lot of famous shows that, like, there was a Dio bootleg recording live at the Cow Palace New Year's Eve. Like, I remember that was kind of big in the 80s that you could get your hands on. It was kind of a place for a while, really, but it is a weird place. There's no question about it. Because it's Cow Palace, because they used to have rodeos there. 02:32:23.160 --> 02:32:52.960 Yeah, the Grand National stalls are off to the side when you're in the lawn trying to get in and everything. And they still do shit like that there. And that's where we used to go tailgate. And it had the worst fucking parking for any fucking place. And it's right on the border. It's in Daly City. It's not actually in the city. And you're right. It's just a shithole to get out of. Yeah, it's hard, man. It's rough. It's like FedEx Field for us. Yeah, or Chiffy Lube. But it's the Cow Palace, you know? Yeah, I actually saw Metallica there like last time I saw them, which was just a few years ago. They played Cow Palace. 02:32:53.160 --> 02:32:58.300 But still, sometimes. 02:32:59.460 --> 02:33:02.200 There's a famous thing about that Sammy Hagar show. 02:33:04.210 --> 02:33:07.420 The Grateful Dead was playing at Bill Graham Civic or something that night. 02:33:08.780 --> 02:33:10.240 Was Winterland still around then? 02:33:11.560 --> 02:33:12.660 Late '70s, yeah. 02:33:13.261 --> 02:33:16.340 And they went over and they stole the Grateful Dead banners. 02:33:17.461 --> 02:33:20.300 It's like some sort of weird, hard rock, mean thing to do. 02:33:20.320 --> 02:33:23.520 But he's actually friends with those guys because they all live out there by each other. 02:33:24.640 --> 02:33:26.460 I've actually run into him a couple times out here. 02:33:27.040 --> 02:33:27.120 Nice. 02:33:27.710 --> 02:33:34.560 Yeah, I was down by the bridge one time, Golden Gate Bridge, on Chrissy Field, and he was down there taking a photo shoot for some sitting on a motorcycle. 02:33:34.690 --> 02:33:36.280 I have no idea what the photo shoot was for. 02:33:36.740 --> 02:33:37.420 But I went and said hi to him. 02:33:37.430 --> 02:33:38.480 He was really, really nice to me. 02:33:38.840 --> 02:33:39.040 Sweet. 02:33:39.980 --> 02:33:46.440 So I read an interview with Michael Ackerfeld that, well, it's funny because the headline says, 02:33:46.780 --> 02:33:49.900 It's not likely he will ever write new music with harsh vocals. 02:33:50.040 --> 02:34:20.000 But then when you read the guts of the story, he said that, but he said it's not likely. But he also said, you never know it all is based on if the song calls for it. And so that leaves it wide open. So this is, you know, fucking clickbait. Yeah. I think, and I, there's a video out there of him talking. Did you watch it? Yeah. I think he actually says, he's like, look, I've been doing this for 20, 25 years. And to be honest with you, I can't do it the same way. 02:34:20.100 --> 02:34:21.640 anymore. He actually said that. 02:34:22.410 --> 02:34:26.040 I saw a couple years ago their live performance Bloodbath at Bloodstock. 02:34:26.360 --> 02:34:26.460 Yeah. 02:34:26.700 --> 02:34:28.960 I'm sure you saw his vocals sound horrible. 02:34:29.280 --> 02:34:33.620 Nothing compared to the other release that they did, the live one. 02:34:33.820 --> 02:34:35.980 The Carnage one, the live Carnage one. 02:34:36.220 --> 02:34:36.280 Yeah. 02:34:36.360 --> 02:34:36.520 Yeah. 02:34:37.030 --> 02:34:39.560 I just think he's in his 40s now. 02:34:39.640 --> 02:34:40.120 It's just getting hard. 02:34:40.200 --> 02:34:41.320 He's been doing it since he was a kid. 02:34:41.620 --> 02:34:41.720 Yeah. 02:34:41.780 --> 02:34:42.060 Yeah. 02:34:42.330 --> 02:34:42.440 Yeah. 02:34:42.860 --> 02:34:47.400 What I would like to see, and I think we'd all agree, is just them be a little more 02:34:47.640 --> 02:34:48.400 italic in their sound. 02:34:48.870 --> 02:34:48.960 Yeah. 02:34:49.110 --> 02:34:49.220 Yeah. 02:34:49.380 --> 02:35:19.360 I don't care if the vocals are clean just make the songs a little heavier no John they are one of the biggest bands in metal they have been for you know the last decade or so do you see their fan base trailing off as they get away from I just see they see it changing do you I think they're picking up the prog guys I think so they are playing like prog festivals now like them John I yeah because there's enough material there's threat because it's not like they've never been a prog band which is the funny thing they've always 02:35:21.100 --> 02:35:49.040 I remember Mike saying once, I think he said, I got death threats to bid you farewell. I fucking love that song. You can't get any more of a dark song possible out there. I have something to say about that, too. I think that just like a lot of guys who really like metal bought some Porcupine Tree albums that never would have, I think his association with Stephen Wilson has been an in to the prog community with them a little bit. 02:35:49.080 --> 02:36:18.460 I agree. Yeah. And so I think there are a lot of guys who are really into Stephen Wilson and Porcupine Tree who have picked up Opeth Records. And now, especially now, like really, really, didn't Storm Corrosion come out before Heritage? Yes. So that was a nice little transitional thing there, even whether or not it was intentional. Right. Yeah. And that project's been in the works for years. I mean, I heard, I don't know if you guys have heard the old original demos that came out. 02:36:18.480 --> 02:36:21.000 and it's not even remotely close. 02:36:21.580 --> 02:36:23.620 - You and I are diehard fans. 02:36:23.760 --> 02:36:25.320 I will follow them to the end. 02:36:25.560 --> 02:36:25.760 - Yeah. 02:36:27.399 --> 02:36:29.820 - I have accepted, you know, 02:36:30.320 --> 02:36:32.200 I'm not going to get the album that I want. 02:36:32.900 --> 02:36:36.080 You know, after Watershed I was still, 02:36:36.400 --> 02:36:38.260 I was like, when I joined into them, 02:36:38.580 --> 02:36:39.220 when I got into metal, 02:36:39.660 --> 02:36:43.180 my first real diving in point was when Deliverance came out. 02:36:43.300 --> 02:36:44.560 Again, I'm a lot younger than you guys, 02:36:45.120 --> 02:36:46.760 but Deliverance came out and I'm like, 02:36:47.040 --> 02:37:16.840 What is this? And then I got Ghost Reveries and I'm like, oh shit, this is amazing. And then Watershed comes out and it's like, oh man, we're fucking chugging along, we're picking up steam, we're picking up steam. And then Heritage comes out. And I liked Heritage. I'm not saying I don't. I love Heritage too. But I'm not a big Pale Communion fan. I'm the opposite. Yes, the more I listen to Pale Communion, I feel the same way. And I think because I've seen them play it live, it's heavy live. But I get it. 02:37:17.040 --> 02:37:46.640 Well, I'm like Buke, though, too. And I had the good fortune to see them on the Deliverance Tour. A buddy of mine actually, I saw them at The Pound in SF, if you remember The Pound. I remember The Pound, yes. Well, it's gone now. It is done for. And it was, there was just conscious thing in the crowd that we all knew we were seeing the first major American tour. That's to say, they had been here once and they opened for Nevermore. And it was just electric, man. That was the first time I saw them. An early YouTube clip. 02:37:47.060 --> 02:38:17.000 for Nevermore, playing Forest of October. Yeah. I think I saw six shows on that tour, and it was beyond electric. Yeah. It was just like, what the hell is this? Yeah. It's electric! There you go. Who's that? Who's that? And I don't mean Metallica. No, I got it. I got it. It's electric! Okay, well, Diamond Head. So, this is a long time coming. Our final news story, and then we'll go fill up. 02:38:17.040 --> 02:38:46.860 and we're getting into new releases. This one's a long time coming. This almost should have been a fucking given. But they're nominated though, I thought. It's only nominated. Exactly. I don't even know if they've been nominated before, gentlemen. I don't know if they have. Have you seen that list? Yeah, it's pretty... But the list is kind of like, what's taking so long for some of these bands? What we're talking about, this is Deep Purple has been nominated finally for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And they better fucking get in. I agree. Nobody more deserving. There's bands on that list that I don't really listen to, but if you look like, really? 02:38:47.040 --> 02:39:16.740 Cheap Trick hasn't gotten in yet? Yeah. Yes. Chicago, yes. Whether you like them or not. Chicago is a given. They have to be in there. I guess my feelings... I mean, I like all those bands, actually. Yeah, I'm a Chicago... I got Chicago records, but it relates me to my mom. And I wonder, how are they getting in, but... No, don't start. And you don't like Ghost. What? No, no. I'm glad. I really want to see a lot of these bands again. You know they won't, though. A lot of them. Yeah, no. Before we get into the new releases, John, 02:39:17.060 --> 02:39:45.620 What is this we are drinking now? Right now, well, it's from B Nectar Meadery. I thought it would be appropriate given we interviewed a folk metal band today. It's called Episode 13. The image on the label is of a couple barrels, but it looks like the At-At Walkers. Yes. Which is very cool. From Star Wars. From Star Wars. That shows you the generational gap because I call them AT-ATs. I don't say the At-Atts. I say they're At-Atts. That's how we remember them so. Yeah. 02:39:47.040 --> 02:40:16.980 Also from Empire Strikes Back, mind you. Yes. It's mead aged in bourbon barrels. I'm a huge bourbon guy. I know you've been talking about this forever. You wanted to have this. I figured it's a perfect time to bring it up. It's been aging at my house for a while. Hopefully you guys like it. It's a meadery from Michigan. Another Michigan brewery. Oh, yeah. What are they called again? It's called Bee Nectar Meadery. I leave Michigan and they come up with all sorts of good shit. Roll ahead to the new releases. Cheers again. Cheers. Jay, I wish I could share with you, buddy. Don't worry, Will. He's eating a burrito on the back. 02:40:18.859 --> 02:40:44.940 This is actually good. Actually, Jay's not that far from a brewery that just raked in the gold metals this year right by his house. The Rare Barrel, I think is their name. I know it. Yeah, they cleaned up at GABF this year. My favorite here right now is 21st Amendment, though. Yeah, they're big, too. This is good. I've had mead before, and I was just like, me. This is really good. This is some bourbon mead. Yeah, maybe that's the difference. 02:40:53.380 --> 02:40:54.900 Das ist, dass du mal mit dem Lied. 02:41:17.060 --> 02:41:47.000 Because, okay, first of all, you may know him as Opeth Bodum, but he doesn't like the new Bodum album. It's only their best album since Hate Crew Death Roll. Doesn't like the new Ghost. Doesn't like the new Iron Maiden. Yeah, but he's a big Iron Maiden fan. He's coming around on this one, George, believe it or not. Doesn't like the new Ahab, though he's a big Ahab fan. I'm telling you, if his year-end list has Bring Me the Horizon on there, he's a fucking alien. He's been kidnapped. 02:41:47.060 --> 02:42:17.020 Yeah, because I am completely like... Sitting down to play hockey last night, I listened to... I listened to... I listened to... I listened to I Worship Chaos again last night. This album rips, man. Okay, good. Yeah, this album's pretty amazing. See, I thought that maybe Matt Pike's Lizard Aliens had taken him, and now he realizes that we're on to him, so he's like, oh yeah, yeah, Bodom's good, yeah. No, no. My transition at work, I'm not being able to 02:42:23.579 --> 02:42:25.000 I never listen to these guys. 02:42:26.710 --> 02:42:32.340 We all have bands that you know they're there, you hear them, you listen to them, but I never gravitated. 02:42:33.020 --> 02:42:36.200 This is a good one to try though. This is a good one to try, their new one. 02:42:36.999 --> 02:42:40.620 Yeah, I'm kind of surprised because their guitar work is very progressive. 02:42:41.450 --> 02:42:43.060 At least on the new album. 02:42:43.140 --> 02:43:12.900 I mean, I hate crew death roll and earlier very progressive guitar playing and keyboard playing, yet heavy. And so I Worship Chaos, they've been getting back to that sound more, and I dig it. I'll check it out. I think it's just one of those bands. It doesn't click for you. Never got to them. Speaking about one of those bands. I'm curious to see what you guys think about this, because this one's more mixed, I think, than... This next one that John's talking about here, 02:43:13.160 --> 02:43:42.700 is the new Deaf Heaven called New Bermuda. Now, if you listen to this podcast at all, you've probably heard us fucking eviscerate Deaf Heaven. I mean, they're practically my poster child of what is wrong with music. And that bomb that Jay was talking about is me kind of liking the new album. Yeah. I listened to it, too. Yeah, I did, too. And I thought it was all right. Yeah. Now, okay, so I listened to New Bermuda. 02:43:43.160 --> 02:44:13.120 I was like you know even if I tear something up I'm gonna give them a shot with their new album I I'm fair and I listened to it and I was like laying down in bed sort of a ritual of mine now at night to relax I throw on a new album and listen to it before I go to sleep so I can just kind of sit back and pay attention to it and I really dug the music and so I was like before I went to bed I put on Sunbather because I was like okay what is it I don't like about them and I actually 02:44:17.219 --> 02:44:21.340 I agree with you there. And so I was like, trying to remember why I needed them. 02:44:21.340 --> 02:44:24.060 There's just one inaudible scream. 02:44:25.300 --> 02:44:27.120 Who and Beth is the other band just like that, right? 02:44:27.300 --> 02:44:29.860 Exactly. Just like it. Almost carbon copies. 02:44:29.960 --> 02:44:32.300 Ghostbath. Ghostbath. Ghostbath, yes. 02:44:32.960 --> 02:44:37.920 And so the singer's name is George Clark. I can't fault the guy for having a cool name. He's got a cool name. 02:44:38.620 --> 02:45:08.600 Somebody named George is on my okay list. But he does not enunciate in any way, shape, or form. And I listened to Sunbather with the lyric sheet in front of me, and I still could not make out. I couldn't follow along because he does not make words with his screams. And so that is why I hated Sunbather. And I was just like, people that like this are fucking full of shit because it's bullshit. But it's true. The music is actually good. And I actually think Sunbather's music is 02:45:08.640 --> 02:45:38.560 a little more well-produced. I wouldn't call it black metal, though. And that's the other thing is people say, no, they're not black metal. It's only the vocals that make it kind of black metal. The music is actually more post-metal. That's what I was going to say. They're kind of tweening with a lot of different genres at one time. I was actually listening to it the other day, and I'm like, Sunbather is a Smashing Pumpkins album on double time, musically. It has that epic, you know, and I was like, 02:45:38.620 --> 02:46:07.880 Okay, if you take the vocals out, this is a great instrumental album. Yeah, I agree. And so with New Bermuda, two things happened. One, the sound is a little more raw, because I guess they were reacting to the... There's actually guitars on this one. Yeah. And so I was like, all right, I mean, it's a little less produced, and they're probably doing that because of the detractors saying they're not black metal. I get it, but I like it. And he enunciates a little more. And I haven't gotten a lyric sheet yet to test that theory. 02:46:08.260 --> 02:46:38.160 But I still like the music more than the vocals. So I'm not like, I'm not 100% in Deaf Heaven camp. But next album, I might be. Yeah, it's a band I sent to you, Archivist? Yeah. And I said to you, they were a cross between This Will Destroy You and Cult of Luna, which I think is true. I love Cult of Luna. Yeah, but they do it way better, though. That kind of post-rockish, post-metalish, atmospheric black metal. I love post-metal. I mean, you know, it's cool. 02:46:38.240 --> 02:47:08.200 It's sort of related to Sludge. It's like Sludge's slightly more respectable brother. And so I'm cool with post-metal. I don't care if they're black metal or post-metal or whatever. I just want their vocals not to suck. I agree. But I thought the song structure was a little better this time. I was expecting Bukes' head to explode. I'm speechless. When you teased us earlier in the week. I told Jay. You did tell me. You said save it for the pod. How is this fucking possible? I told Jay because 02:47:08.220 --> 02:47:38.020 I was talking to Jay and I was like, dude, this is going to blow Bukes mind. And I was expecting a bit more of a vocal outrage over the fact that I would do this. But hey, you know, I think that proves that I'm a fair guy. No, there's no vocal outrage. I'm sending out a fucking tweet right now. I'm so fucking blown away. I actually heard a little melody on this album. Not much, just a little. A little. Yeah. Which made it a little bit better for me. I haven't listened to it and I will not listen to it. These guys suck. I did. I did. George. 02:47:38.220 --> 02:48:08.200 George did tell me about it I put it in the box under an assumed name I put it in under the album title instead of the band name so you wouldn't see it what the hell is this the problem with them too is that they're they're a hipster metal band yeah that's true too yeah and that's hard but again that's hard you're right it's hard to get like I've said before I'm gonna step away from the mic why why are they so popular because they got some reviews from some non-traditional metal sources yeah that didn't know what they were talking about right well but that makes it okay for the 02:48:35.739 --> 02:48:38.200 I also know you guys don't like the production but I was 02:48:38.220 --> 02:48:39.940 if people had a similar dislike with them. 02:48:40.420 --> 02:48:41.360 None of them put together. 02:48:41.380 --> 02:48:42.760 I saw them as the hipster safe. 02:48:43.140 --> 02:48:45.460 No, I don't think they're big enough to hipster. 02:48:45.600 --> 02:48:46.700 I mean, maybe they will be now. 02:48:47.560 --> 02:48:53.280 But yeah, I'd be lying if I didn't say that part of my distaste for them was the hipster factor. 02:48:53.720 --> 02:48:53.920 Yeah. 02:48:54.100 --> 02:49:03.780 But I'd also make myself a liar if I didn't say, just like with Ghost, if the music backs it up, then the hipsters can go fuck themselves and I'm going to like it too. 02:49:04.500 --> 02:49:34.400 Well, we're going to have to talk about that hipster thing in more detail sometime, because it is a problem. I mean, I don't know if it's a problem, but I mean, it is. If something's good, you can't help if fucking morons like it. But you do have to fight with yourself on those instances, because you've been kind of carrying the torch all these years, and along comes these guys with their beards and tight jeans, and you don't like them coming into your house. Yeah, but that doesn't make the music, that's not the fault of the music, per se. It's not, it's not. I'm not going to stop eating pizza, because 02:49:34.640 --> 02:50:04.020 All of a sudden pizza is the new cool thing. I have always liked pizza and I'm always going to like pizza. And just because pizza is the new cool thing, I'm not going to stop eating it. I still like pizza. But what is it that you like, though? The fucking vocals are just one... No. And I'm with you there. Like I said, I'm not all the way there yet. The music is good. The instrumental aspect of the music is good. The vocals definitely need improvement. If he starts to enunciate more, 02:50:04.480 --> 02:50:34.260 and maybe not screech quite so much. I think they could be amazing. But they're not there yet. It's different than Sunbather. I'll just give you that. It is different. I guess I'll listen to it tonight playing hockey. No, I don't suggest you listen to it. It's just different. You know what it reminds me of? We had this conversation at Fairwinds. Contortionist. Yes. Their early stuff. And I have the three albums. Harsh vocals. And it's very gent-y. I can't stand gent. 02:50:34.420 --> 02:50:35.920 But you get to the last album 02:50:36.880 --> 02:50:38.920 What I'm listening to has a little jet in it 02:50:38.920 --> 02:50:39.420 But go ahead 02:50:39.560 --> 02:50:40.420 But their last album 02:50:41.439 --> 02:50:42.360 They got a new singer 02:50:43.619 --> 02:50:45.060 And the title is escaping me 02:50:45.779 --> 02:50:46.780 Language I think it is 02:50:46.880 --> 02:50:47.300 I'm not sure 02:50:47.840 --> 02:50:48.500 Completely different 02:50:48.660 --> 02:50:49.660 They added the jazz element 02:50:49.940 --> 02:50:51.580 They started to expand new singer 02:50:52.600 --> 02:50:54.120 But to me they've moved further than 02:50:54.240 --> 02:50:55.320 Death Heaven needs to move 02:50:55.460 --> 02:50:56.940 To grab back those fans 02:50:57.160 --> 02:50:57.480 I think 02:50:57.880 --> 02:50:58.920 Or to get those fans 02:50:59.080 --> 02:50:59.760 Get the fans 02:50:59.880 --> 02:51:00.020 Yeah 02:51:00.760 --> 02:51:03.300 There needs to be a bigger shift in sound 02:51:03.300 --> 02:51:32.440 It's going to be tough because so many people hate Deaf Heaven. I was reading some of the reviews. It's just brutal. Yeah, and they may never recover from that, but that doesn't mean they're not going to start making some decent music. But I think they've done it. Well, they got the issue with the guitarist, don't they? They pulled some old posts of his online where he was using some racial slurs. Oh, wonderful. About people. It was years ago. It was kind of a bunk story because it was from years ago. He could have changed and apologized, but they've got always something surrounding them. 02:51:32.480 --> 02:52:02.460 That's like Inquisition. I stopped listening to them because of the whole Nazi thing. I was like, fuck you. You're on your own there, buddy. Guys, I'm telling you, I know, John, you said a favorable review or two helped him. But this sunbather was, which you own on vinyl. I do. I have no problem. I'll admit it. I have no problem buying. Because if it carries a weight to be labeled in 02:52:02.500 --> 02:52:32.060 The Album of the Year by a lot of outlets. So many links. Exactly. I think then, hey, it is easily worth your money checking out. And I have listened, and I... You would have thought it was the second coming of Iron Maiden or something. Yeah. Like that, the talk about it. You know what? I mean, here's one of the problems I have with that. Hold on, hold on, Jake. The thing is, when they came out, it was nothing even remotely new at all. 02:52:32.500 --> 02:53:01.740 I don't understand where the... I agree. They're definitely overhyped for Sunbather. But the music, without the vocals, is good. It's not the second coming of anything. What would you put them in the genre? Like I said, it sounds like a Smashing Pumpkins album played at double speed. They're not atmospheric black metal. No. I think atmospheric black metal. It's post-metal. I think maybe Tombs. Is that fair? No. I would say, honestly, 02:53:01.780 --> 02:53:31.460 They remind me at a slightly heavier, slightly faster pre-Oceanic Isis. Or early Isis. Did you hear that a little bit, John? Yeah, very early Isis, let's put it that way. Maybe even earlier than Signal. You know what I mean? I'm just kind of trying to find the right post-metal band. I think George is on the right track there. And it's hard to do because... The first Toomes album is more post-metal than they are now. I think so, yeah. But I don't know. Anyway, let's move on. One to give more time to, I think. 02:53:31.500 --> 02:54:01.440 Yeah. And that's intriguing, if nothing else. Yes. Agree. You want to get this next one, Jay? I do. If it makes your end of the year list, I'm fucking done with this pod. If it makes you happy. Oh, sorry. Is it going to make your end of the year list? Maybe if I do 100. Wait, didn't Matt say to you at Fairwinds, just if you like it, you'll like it. Just move on. Yeah. Yeah, but not if George likes it. The thing is, though, I'm not Matt of Yes, 02:54:04.039 --> 02:54:30.580 I can never change George. Matt could put a spin on Death Haven right now and he would have George ripping off these Man of War posters hanging up Death Haven posters. The whole screaming Death Haven. Exactly. He would have them change. George turns to me and he goes, man, this guy is brilliant with his words. This should inspire you. He does. This is the point in the movie where they put... What does the shirt say? 02:54:31.500 --> 02:55:01.460 the point in the movie where they play the motivational music, the Rocky montage, Bukes going back to school, he's getting educated and he comes back and he fucking slaps me down and shows me what's what. That's the Tony Robbins of metal albums. Nice. Alright, do you own Sunbather? No. Okay. So. You do. So do I. Alright. If it was 02:55:01.500 --> 02:55:31.460 at the record store, which in... Not yet. You and I can't leave without buying something. Not yet. Okay. No. Jay? Our next new release is Denner Sherman. This would be the guitar duo from the original Merciful Fate. Satan's Tomb. I was immediately excited when I heard it. The only thing that I'll have to say about it, though, that's weakening it for me is that the lyrics are really bad. It's sort of like they kind of are trying to emulate King Diamond a little bit, and they just are way off the 02:55:32.080 --> 02:56:01.380 But that stated, it has the exact guitar tones really in places of the early Merciful Fate records, which is cool just to hear that because I have that sound is so ingrained in my brain. And then it actually goes to some more heavy, heavy modern places too. And the singer's good too. What are the bands he's from again, George? Do you remember? I thought it was Ross the Boss' Death Dealer, but maybe it's Death Dealer? Ross the fucking Boss. Yeah, I couldn't find a, I tried to look it up. 02:56:01.480 --> 02:56:31.100 and I was wrong. I thought it was either Death Dealer or Death Dealer. Maybe it's Death Dealer. He's in two bands. And it's good. I mean, it's good. You really do have to overlook the lyrics. And unfortunately, they're crystal clear in contrast to Death Heaven. But I would have recommended for anybody who is an old school Merciful Fate fan, without question. And there's a couple things you got to overlook about it. But it also goes to some pretty cool places, some cool riffs on it. And they sound great, by the way. They both sound like they haven't lost a step. 02:56:31.180 --> 02:57:01.120 as far as playing is concerned. Yeah, I bought it right away on Bandcamp. I'm digging it too. Cool. Moving along. All right, this next one is called Temple of Ball. Their new album, Mysterium. Yeah, Temple of Ball is a, I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right, B-A-A-L, but I think it's ball. They're a French black death metal band. I actually listened to the album in its entirety earlier today as I took a walk around the neighborhood. 02:57:01.200 --> 02:57:29.880 trying to cool off from some issues. And it's just a really cool black and death album. It's like the music's kind of blackish, but the vocals are more death metal. I think you should check this out. I think you'll dig it. I mean, there's a lot of blast beats, but still, the music's really cool. The vocals are death. It's a great album. It's actually on my list of what I'm listening to this week. So mark it down, John. That's what I'm doing. I've seen this, and I just haven't checked it out yet. 02:57:30.480 --> 02:57:58.760 Next out is the new Grave album. We just mentioned this last episode, I think. It's called Out of Respect for the Dead. I got the promo. I was hoping to listen to it before we recorded, but I did not get a chance to hear this yet. So I've only heard the two tracks that they were streaming earlier, but I liked that. So if you're a fan of Grave and if you like Swedish death metal, you should be. That's the style I like. Yeah. Classic death metal. Make sure to check it out. I do not think you'll be disappointed. Cool. Speaking of disappointment, though. Oh, I thought it was coming. 02:58:00.180 --> 02:58:07.340 I was just reading about this this morning and there's a lot of people who are disappointed. 02:58:07.340 --> 02:58:08.840 Do you have a go-to site you go to, John? 02:58:09.720 --> 02:58:14.680 No, we need to do this off-air. I want to confer what you guys use. I use about five or six different places. 02:58:15.040 --> 02:58:20.280 The album we're talking about here is the new album from Hanging Garden called Blackout Whiteout. 02:58:21.040 --> 02:58:23.800 I heard about these guys when their last album came out. 02:58:24.070 --> 02:58:29.860 It was during my initial push of really getting into a lot of death doom bands. 02:58:30.479 --> 02:58:58.680 And their last album was really good. And in fact, I think I might even have some earlier work by them. I don't recall. But I fucking loved their last album. And then this Blackout, Whiteout album comes out. And first of all, the album cover looks like a rat album cover. It's like a pair of lipstick lips on a window or something. Looks ridiculous. And they've just sort of kept the clean, melodic aspect of the Death Doom and just kind of got rid of the metal. 02:58:59.040 --> 02:59:29.020 That's what I heard, yeah. It's just, I mean, there are some harsh vocals and some heavier moments, but wow, are they, they're actively trying to sell out. And so I'm just not behind this. Because they got house payments. Yeah, fuck them for trying to get a buck and make it, you know, make, yeah, obviously. No, I'm making fun of them, dude. Fuck them. No, you gotta, you gotta do what you gotta do, but that doesn't mean I gotta like it. There you go. That's another way, or buy it. Hey. Wild Throne, uh, just released Tarvist of Dark Souls. 02:59:29.080 --> 02:59:57.900 And these guys I was excited by their EP which it should be noted is included in this record. So they've basically released a full album now. Yeah Jay remember when I first heard this you said Buke listen to their first one. This guy's vocals are hard to get into man. He's kind of changed his style a little bit. I mean it's similar but he's just a little more like wildly screechy now. He sounds like what's a band from Buffalo that's a tremendously popular. I know who they sound. Every time I die. 02:59:58.540 --> 03:00:28.500 Yeah, he sounds just like every time I die. You know who they sound like to me? They sound so much like the Mars Volta. It's ridiculous. I don't know if you know. I hate that. Okay. And dude, I gotta tell you. You saw them open up from Mutoid Man, right? That's correct. And they were great. And I was really excited because I thought Bloodmaker was a good record. I have the vinyl. This is basically Bloodmaker plus seven songs that frankly don't go anywhere different than Bloodmaker. There's another 45 minutes or something for you to listen to of that are just rehashed versions. 03:00:28.560 --> 03:00:58.520 of Bloodmaker with, as George puts it, this slightly different vocal style. I think these guys will be out of the metal. People won't consider them a metal band real soon. So I was disappointed. I was disappointed. I thought Bloodmaker made it look like we maybe had a slightly new mastodon type band on our hands, but no, totally not what it is. So I'm kind of disappointed. It's funny because the album's called Harvest of Darkness. My very first band in high school was 03:00:58.600 --> 03:01:27.940 "Dark Harvest." Nice! We had a little Reaper, and the "R" in Harvest was a "Scythe." We were "Dark Harvest." Oh, that's cute. The original Children of Bottom. Yeah, and there's a band or a record label now. It's called "Dark Harvest," and I just laugh. This next one, George was nice enough to say for me, because I'm the kind of resident Monster Magnet fan here. Well, I mean, George likes them too. But this is the second in the series of reimagined albums. 03:01:28.540 --> 03:01:57.600 he's going and is doing is taking the most basic, basic center tracks of previous records and just essentially 100% re-recording them. And this is based on Mastermind. Mastermind is really a great record and it's called Cobras in Fire. I've only listened to it once, but it's just as good as the last one, which was the reimagining of the previous album. So if you're a Monster Man fan, you'll dig it. It's definitely like into the kind of older 60s psych stuff. Dave's a great writer. 03:01:57.860 --> 03:02:27.820 And I think he's also a great singer. So I like it. I'm into it. Definitely one I'm spinning right now. Yeah, I just put all their albums back on my phone again in flack. In flack. Yeah, I dig everything they've done. And just your enthusiasm and the release of this album has just made me kind of want to go back and revisit it again. Yeah, I'm his biggest supporter, man. Every time I hear an interview with Dave, he's really intelligent. I feel like I really understand his lyrics. He basically takes 03:02:27.860 --> 03:02:57.360 Marvel Comics and the life he lived in the 60s and mashes them into sort of social commentary on the rock scene, essentially. And I think he's brilliant at it. And he also writes cool riffs. It's sort of like Sabbath meets MC5. Cool. Which is what he likes. So anyway, and this new one is, if you're a Monster Magnet fan, you're going to need it. And I got the nice limited edition, I might add. Sweet. They've done other stuff other than Space Board? Yeah, that's what I would. And you know what? That is like, that is there. 03:03:12.121 --> 03:03:27.820 I don't believe anybody here has heard it yet I have heard a clip like on 03:03:32.260 --> 03:03:35.660 They're one of those bands that I'm really trying hard to understand. 03:03:36.290 --> 03:03:47.880 You know, kind of like Deaf Heaven. I don't quite understand the appeal because, again, the music's not bad. The vocals are pretty unintelligible. It just seems kind of generic black metal to me. 03:03:48.140 --> 03:03:50.960 A lot of our listeners like them. We're asked about them. 03:03:51.420 --> 03:03:57.780 And Nine Circles guys really dig it. I know, so I haven't quite figured it out yet. I was hoping maybe this new album might help me feel. 03:03:57.800 --> 03:04:27.760 figure it out but I haven't heard anything but the promo tracks yet so we'll see next up is the new wave of British heavy metal band Satan and their new album Adam by Adam I think Jay was saying he liked this album yeah I listen to it it's good they um I like them in general I had the good fortune to see them last year which was cool um I mean obviously at this point in their careers they're not breaking any ground it's just kind of a new wave of British heavy metal style heavy metal a little bit more of a modern edge to it it's good 03:04:27.760 --> 03:04:57.600 It's good. If you're into Satan or Blitzkrieg, you'll like it. Yeah, I like Court in the Act. And I liked their last album. Was it Life Sentence? Yeah. Or Live. I can't remember. I gotta say, though, I wasn't all that thrilled with this one. Something about it just wasn't doing it for me. Right on. Alright, this next one. Saxon has a new album, Battering Ram. Is this like their 50th album? I don't even know. 49th. 49th. Has anybody heard this? 03:04:57.780 --> 03:05:27.740 I listened to the title track and it's definitely a I am kind of a saxon fan and not even kind of but you could skip out of the last 10 records you could pick five not necessarily at random and skip them and you'd be all right this one reminds me of probably one of their best post 2000 records which is called Lionheart it's just the one track I heard so I also probably won't race out to get it though because saxon is cranking out records every two years now 03:05:27.780 --> 03:05:57.740 And I might have enough saxon records. I'm good. I'm full up. I don't need more. But it sounds right in line with their kind of like, they are one of the kind of like, I consider them honestly big three as far as like Maiden Saxon and Priest being the kind of big three British bands at that time. And they're the ones who I think are still consistently putting out good records. And consistently underrated. Consistently underrated. But that stated, I mean, it's not, if you've bought any of 03:05:57.780 --> 03:05:59.300 The Last 5 of this is pretty much like that. 03:06:00.199 --> 03:06:01.520 If you know what you're getting. 03:06:01.920 --> 03:06:03.000 You know what you're getting. 03:06:03.200 --> 03:06:04.720 They're not gonna fucking break it. 03:06:04.820 --> 03:06:05.320 Not even close. 03:06:05.960 --> 03:06:09.560 Alright, the last new release, I haven't heard it yet. 03:06:09.660 --> 03:06:10.820 I really want to hear it. 03:06:11.100 --> 03:06:12.000 I lessened a little bit. 03:06:12.140 --> 03:06:14.660 I just found out about this about a week or so ago. 03:06:15.180 --> 03:06:19.420 It's a new band called With The Dead and their self-titled album. 03:06:19.840 --> 03:06:22.540 And you're asking me, "George, why do I care?" 03:06:22.960 --> 03:06:25.340 Well, have you ever heard of a little band called Cathedral? 03:06:25.780 --> 03:06:55.260 Perhaps Lee Dorian and Rise Above Records. Well, this is Lee Dorian's new band. What? I thought Lee Dorian was retired after Cathedral. No, man. He's got some shit to prove still, particularly to some motherfuckers in a band called Electric Wizard. Oh, yeah. Take that, Electric Wizard. Fuck you, Electric Wizard. Fucking Lee Dorian's got your fucking balls in his hands. This is a Metalhead's podcast throwing out some fucking bombs on your ass. We're throwing some shade on you. No, but I'm joking. 03:06:55.780 --> 03:07:23.940 I just read that there's no love lost between Lee Dorian and Electric Wizard. Apparently there was a lot of shit in the press. And With the Dead actually has a couple of former members from Electric Wizard along with Lee Dorian. I've heard. Do you look over on the wall here? I've got a cathedral poster. I'm a big Lee Dorian fan. I can't wait to hear this. It sounds like the real early stuff. Oh, yeah. You've heard it already. Like Forest of Equilibrium kind of? Yeah. Nice. It's slow. 03:07:26.319 --> 03:07:44.100 And I'm like, yes. I can't wait. Yeah, it's cool. Gotta pre-order me some vinyl. It's out there. There's a song or two out there you can hear. Okay. Yeah. It'll be out by the time this posts, so I'll have bought it one way or another. All right. I'm excited about this. Let's move on to our top three. 03:07:58.140 --> 03:08:25.680 We went to John for this one and he said, what are we going to do? Something impossible. John was like, you know what, let's just pick the hardest fucking thing in the world. Jay, you're just, you're hitting me over the head with a bat and it's so right right now because what I suggested is like, oh dude, I got my, I think I said, I got my three. You did. That thing has changed like 10 times. It's with the impending Iron Maiden tour that probably none of us will get a chance to go see. No. Because they're playing like in four places. Top three Maiden, 03:08:25.720 --> 03:08:55.380 And deep tracks. Not regular tracks, but just deep tracks that you want to hear them play. And I took it as it doesn't matter how Bruce can sing it or not. Just anything you'd want to see them play. And I fought with this hard. I'm sure you guys did too. It wasn't that hard for me. Although, before we start, I did a little research because I was curious about how often they play particular things. And so while I was doing this research, I saw a fact, or at least what? 03:08:55.700 --> 03:09:25.680 It seemed like a fact that sort of confused me. They said that Iron Maiden has not played Flight of Icarus live since 1986. I swear I have seen them play that song. Not even on the Maiden England tour? Yeah, I'm like, I swear I've sung along to this live. I believe it. I've seen them on every American tour since Brave New World, and I don't recall hearing. Maybe the website was old, but I thought that maybe I might call it 03:09:25.700 --> 03:09:55.100 on that one. Anyway, we're going to go around the table with what we've got. We're going to do John. This is a great topic. This is going to be a fun one. All right, so I originally had broken it up. I was going to do one when Bruce had rejoined the band, one from the non-Bruce period, and then one prior to that. I was like, eh, scrap that. Then I was going to include some instrumentals. I was like, eh, no. And I wanted to, because Lost for Words is one of my favorite instrumentals of all time. It's brilliant. 03:09:55.720 --> 03:10:24.880 It has been done live, by the way. And it has been. So what I looked for then was songs that just haven't been played much. I think we were talking about that earlier, Jay, before we started. And so I came up with three. Of course, I have an honorable mention. So do I. And I have to have this one on there because it is one of my top ten maiden songs of all time. And it comes from a non-Bruce album. Uh-oh. Did you know if I have to cover it? Because it's on my list. I know what it is. Can I take a wild guess, John? It's my number one. Go ahead, Jay. You want to guess? Blood on the World's Hands? No. Sorry. Okay, sorry. No. 03:10:25.500 --> 03:10:55.220 And it's not originally recorded by Bruce. Oh, I see. And it's on the rock in Rio. And my number of mentions the Klansmen. Oh, yes. Yeah, that's good. Yeah. When I saw them, it took me this long to see them live, which was when they toured with Motorhead and Dio. It took me that long. Yep. Oh, yeah. That was your first time? Yeah. Can you believe that? That was a great tour, though. And they played the Klansmen. And I was just like, oh, my God, this just sounds infinitely better. Yeah. And it's not that the songs are bad. It's just Bruce. 03:10:55.520 --> 03:11:24.960 I get to be on a lot of those songs. And I have nothing against Blaze. Sorry, Blaze. So that's my honorable mention. So I'll get right into it. And I ended up going all early stuff, because that's where my heart lies the most. But my number three is Sea of Madness. They haven't played that in a really long time. Oh, that's a great fucking song, dude. It's a great tune. I don't know if it's so much a... One of the great opening riffs. Yeah, I don't know if it's a great deep track from that album. It's deep. But it's deep for me that it hasn't been played in forever. Yeah, that's such a fucking great tune. 03:11:25.520 --> 03:11:27.800 but I didn't want to do more than one song per album. 03:11:28.680 --> 03:11:30.640 Yeah, I tried to do the same thing, but that's my number three. 03:11:31.220 --> 03:11:31.860 Okay, Jay? 03:11:32.500 --> 03:11:34.300 I do have to have an honorable mention too. 03:11:35.120 --> 03:11:37.020 Thin Line Between Love and Hate off of Brave New World, 03:11:37.140 --> 03:11:40.560 which is I think one of the Lost Maiden Epics record closers. 03:11:40.760 --> 03:11:41.600 So I'll just throw that out there now. 03:11:41.840 --> 03:11:44.340 My number three, I'm wondering if anybody else is going to have this, 03:11:44.540 --> 03:11:46.160 off of Power Slave, Back in the Village. 03:11:46.720 --> 03:11:47.040 Nice. 03:11:47.380 --> 03:11:48.240 I love that fucking song. 03:11:48.500 --> 03:11:51.200 I repeat my statement that I made with John, 03:11:51.420 --> 03:11:52.600 but I was looking at that one too. 03:11:53.020 --> 03:11:53.280 Right on. 03:11:53.580 --> 03:11:58.080 I don't have the history like you guys do like you know matter a burning passion 03:11:59.860 --> 03:12:04.400 Off a peace of mind still life. Yeah, ah see that is the song 03:12:05.200 --> 03:12:10.540 That should have been on my list and I left it off because I have mentioned it so many times in the past that I was like 03:12:10.980 --> 03:12:11.800 I'm gonna do something different 03:12:11.900 --> 03:12:17.100 But I love that end cool tune and they played it on the last time we went but it's still a deep track though 03:12:17.140 --> 03:12:22.600 It is yeah as deep as it gets. Okay. I have a 03:12:23.320 --> 03:12:53.300 An Honorable Mention. An Honorable Mention. That's why I stopped and corrected myself. Which, that's a little weird. He just started the trip and caught himself. From Powerslave, Flash of the Blade. Oh yeah, sure. Or The Duelist or anything off that. Yeah, The Duelist was good too. But my number three, great song, doesn't seem to get as much love as it used to, Infinite Dreams. When John said that was infinitely better, I was going to say, if somebody doesn't have an infinite 03:12:53.460 --> 03:13:23.040 dreams. You had said something was infinitely better with Bruce singing it. Nice, dude. That's a great, you know, that's the revelations off that record, you know, and it's good. So good. Back to John for number two. All right, let's just go back to Power Slave. You guys already mentioned it. The Duelists. I don't think they've ever played that live. I doubt it. One of the ones and just the gallop, the chug-a-lug. It's kind of a die with your boots on type track, which is a great fucking song too, you know. And it reminds me also of Where Eagles Dare is that Bruce will sing a little bit. 03:13:23.340 --> 03:13:24.900 They don't go for a smoke. Yep. 03:13:27.239 --> 03:13:28.040 Bruce goes back. 03:13:29.440 --> 03:13:30.820 And you're like, yes, everything's good again. 03:13:32.620 --> 03:13:32.900 You know? 03:13:33.060 --> 03:13:38.500 So basically, I think at this point, it's safe to say anything that they don't play off Power Slave, why the hell aren't they playing it? 03:13:38.920 --> 03:13:39.520 Basically, yeah. 03:13:39.780 --> 03:13:43.880 And I'm surprised they haven't played that because it's a great time for Bruce to kind of take a breather. 03:13:44.030 --> 03:13:44.280 You know? 03:13:44.300 --> 03:13:45.800 I'm surprised he hasn't done that more often. 03:13:46.090 --> 03:13:46.740 So, yeah. 03:13:47.480 --> 03:13:47.960 Good stuff. 03:13:48.380 --> 03:13:49.220 That was a good one. 03:13:49.340 --> 03:13:50.020 That was a really good one. 03:13:50.210 --> 03:13:50.320 Yeah. 03:13:50.420 --> 03:14:19.760 All right, Jay, number two. All right, mine's pretty deep and pretty old. Going all the way back to the first record. And I, just before the pod, I was getting on YouTube to see if there were versions of Bruce singing this, and there is. And it sounded pretty amazing, and it's Remember Tomorrow. Yes, love it, nice. Love to hear that live. Great track. Mine, as a fan of the subject matter, I love this song. Off of No Prayer for the Dying, Run Silent, Run Deep. That's deep. That is fucking really deep. I love that song. 03:14:20.279 --> 03:14:48.280 People give that album a lot of crap, but I saw him on that tour. And I'm a tail gunner, Holy Smoke, Mother Russia. It's a good album, I think. First non-Adrien album probably kills it for some people. Yeah, it probably does. But still, I think it's good. Okay, my number two from Peace of Mind. Guesses? Jay? To Tame-A-Land? Yep. I gave that to you because you guessed it last time we were doing this and you were wrong. This time you were right. 03:14:49.820 --> 03:15:19.760 Land. Good tune. The epic song about Frank Herbert's Dune. That's a great song. I'd love to hear him play it live. The time will come for him. Oh, fuck that fucking climax at the end of the song, man. Yeah. You lay claim his crown. God, this shit's good. All right. My number one. Off of Number of the Beast, which is actually not on the original album. It was on the U.S. Oh, look at this guy going on extremely deep. 1988, what, remastered? 03:15:20.240 --> 03:15:49.000 Total Eclipse. They did that, I think, just back on the Number of the Beast tour, wasn't it? And that was it. Is that like a Bonnie Tyler cover, or what is that? No, no. I'm thinking G-covered them. Actually, Jay, I think you mentioned it before, that Beast over Hammersmith. It's on there, baby. It's just awesome on there. I was just listening to that last night, and I'd forgotten Total Eclipse was on there. And to be honest with you, other than Live After Death, that's my favorite live album by them. 03:15:50.380 --> 03:16:19.420 It's my very favorite. Yeah, Beasts Over Hammersmith's just awesome. It's like a week before Number of the Beast came out, and it's just, they all sound great. Oh, God, that's a good record. I've been looking for that on Flack. I haven't found it yet. And all the videos are from that concert that they did at the time, and it's funny to hear Bruce talking about, well, you guys have made this song a hit, which was Run to the Hills. Everyone's just kind of just sitting there, yay. Yeah. Cheering. Do you have the Early Years DVD, John? Yes. I love it. Yeah, because it's got about eight or ten tracks from that. 03:16:19.800 --> 03:16:49.180 My favorite track from that is The Prisoner from that video. Honestly, for me, it's Children of the Damned because he just sounds so good on that. I mean, the live thing. Yeah. It's just the whole show is great. A great choice. And I'm not, this is not an honorable mention, but I had considered it. And since you said Total Eclipse, at least I'm just going to mention it, which was Cross-Eyed Mary. I think it'd be really cool if they did that live. That would. Yeah. Too many clips of a heart. Is that what you said? That's right. You know what we're talking about. But they're virtually Cross-Eyed Mary. 03:16:49.800 --> 03:16:51.060 They actually have great cover by them. 03:16:51.400 --> 03:16:51.520 Yeah. 03:16:51.520 --> 03:16:51.620 It is. 03:16:51.740 --> 03:16:51.820 Yeah. 03:16:52.400 --> 03:16:53.540 It's like my favorite maiden cover. 03:16:53.640 --> 03:16:54.200 And they've done quite a few. 03:16:54.220 --> 03:16:57.840 Isn't that on the single re-releases that I just bought on vinyl? 03:16:58.240 --> 03:16:58.340 Yes. 03:16:58.779 --> 03:17:01.580 It's the B-side, I believe, of the Trooper, if I remember right. 03:17:01.620 --> 03:17:04.840 Because believe it or not, I think I had that vinyl back in the day. 03:17:05.060 --> 03:17:07.320 It got some airplay, too, when it came out, I think, originally. 03:17:07.580 --> 03:17:07.860 Yeah. 03:17:07.880 --> 03:17:08.220 A little bit. 03:17:08.440 --> 03:17:08.500 No. 03:17:08.780 --> 03:17:08.900 Yeah. 03:17:09.480 --> 03:17:09.800 All right. 03:17:09.880 --> 03:17:13.280 My number one is one of my favorite maiden tracks of all time. 03:17:13.340 --> 03:17:15.120 And I think I kind of am alone on this. 03:17:15.400 --> 03:17:17.340 But well, I'll just throw it out there. 03:17:17.520 --> 03:17:19.140 And it's Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner. 03:17:19.761 --> 03:17:47.080 Nice. Loneliness of Jay on his number one. That right there was the true definition of deep track when there's three and two decades long metalheads sitting here at the table and there was radio silence for about two seconds. And then just, okay, okay. He's going to go that way. It's a good song. Your services are no longer needed. 03:17:49.200 --> 03:18:18.700 I love that song. You're on your own on that one, Jerry. Clearly. Mine's off of their debut album. It's one of my favorite ones. It's a non-Bruce song. I saw a video a couple years ago of Bruce singing it, but it is Remember Tomorrow. Remember Tomorrow. I love the lyrics to it. I love the songs to it. I love the whole song. Excellent. My number one from the same album is Jay's. That's the only song that we've had twice so far, Remember Tomorrow. Go ahead, George. From the Somewhere in Time album, 03:18:19.200 --> 03:18:49.160 The Epic Never Played Live Before Alexander the Great. There's a whole group of people out there, George, on the internet who agree with you. Yeah. And none of them are here. No. Hey, you know, if not for Arm of the Ancient Mariner, that would be the, well, okay, and Tootame a Land, but it would be one of the most epic songs, I think. And it just doesn't get any love, and they haven't played it. And I read that the reason it never got played was because on the Somewhere 03:18:49.800 --> 03:19:07.180 They opted to play Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner, which meant they couldn't play another long song. And so they had to skip it. And it just, after that, it just never got into rotation. It's too late. Yeah. Very common with a lot of bands. Yeah. Oh yeah. Especially Maiden at this point. All right. Let's move on to what we are listening to. 03:19:21.060 --> 03:19:23.580 What a great show 03:19:26.199 --> 03:19:28.560 What a great show 03:19:31.180 --> 03:19:32.540 John, what are you listening to? 03:19:32.860 --> 03:19:34.560 I have obviously a gazillion things. 03:19:35.180 --> 03:19:36.660 The two Will to Run albums, obviously, 03:19:37.080 --> 03:19:38.320 which are always in heavy rotation. 03:19:38.580 --> 03:19:41.540 But just real quick, new My Dying Bride. 03:19:41.700 --> 03:19:42.520 Been checking that out. 03:19:42.760 --> 03:19:42.940 Hell yeah. 03:19:43.640 --> 03:19:43.940 It's not bad. 03:19:44.050 --> 03:19:44.480 I like it. 03:19:44.540 --> 03:19:44.880 I like it. 03:19:44.880 --> 03:19:44.940 It's growing. 03:19:45.210 --> 03:19:48.660 I really digged the last track within a sleeping forest. 03:19:48.860 --> 03:20:17.100 But it's growing on me, the album, more and more. I'm not so sure about the production on it. It's a little quiet for me. But it's growing. I like the album. Just loving the new Amorphous. Yep. That's good, dude. Yeah, I like it too. Yeah, okay, they've done similar things the last, what, six albums. But this one, by far, they're kind of pulling some of their old stuff out a little bit and still going forward. Was it Bad Blood and Death of a King are just killer tracks? 03:20:19.539 --> 03:20:48.760 I don't know how I found it. A flourishing scourge, you know, which is a little EP that was a wonderful wake up text message. And I didn't know if you got everyone would like it. So I know he's always going on and on about that. I like it. I bought it band. So I figured, all right, I'll send one to my open brothers. And then George's like, well, hey, wait a minute. What about me? And I'm like, oh, fuck. Everyone likes it. Awesome. Can I just put it on the record? Here it is. Here's the record. And I'm putting it. 03:20:48.880 --> 03:21:18.020 Placing it on the record. Buke liked a band and he told me about it and I like it and I bought it. Awesome. Awesome. All right. Are you happy? But it came from John. So does that really? No. I happen. I don't know where I found it. Okay. You might dig these guys. They're from Seattle. Yeah. They gave us a wonderful thank you on Facebook. I think we should get them on. They agreed to come on. You guys should definitely get them on. They totally agreed to come on. 03:21:18.880 --> 03:21:48.720 Two more, real quick. Pagan's Mind is finally releasing Full Circle. Is men here? I've been a Pagan's Mind fan for a few years. They're finally releasing Full Circle soon, which is their live at center stage, which is at Prog Power, where they played all of Celestial Entrance. And you were probably like a little girl. At some point, you're just like, I'm not going back and changing. Fuck that. I got a whole other 60 minutes to go. Two and a half hours, they did that album. 03:21:48.880 --> 03:22:17.360 And they did what they consider their best songs. And this was never kind of Kickstarter. It was Indiegogo, though they did it through. So I've been listening to that. And then the last one, which is a new release, but it's only a single, is the new one from The Ocean. I don't know if you guys like The Ocean. I love The Ocean. They have a new, I guess, split coming out with Fano. Yes, yes. And I checked out the song, and I actually, it's very, what's the, how do you pronounce the last album? Oh, Pelagic. Pelagic. 03:22:20.419 --> 03:22:48.220 I love that album and I saw that this was coming out and I was like, ooh, ooh, new ocean. And then I was like, oh, it's just a single. And so I didn't listen to it because I was like, fuck you, I don't listen to singles. 12 minutes. A lot of music. I should listen to it. It's very good. I like it. Excellent. Jay, what are you listening to? I got a few things that are spinning with me a lot. One, and George kindly got this to me this week, and I know Bukes really into these guys too. Older record, or at least it's not a new record, Black Crown Initiate. 03:22:48.860 --> 03:23:18.840 Wreckage of Stars. That was my initiation of these guys. That's a good record. I'm digging that. So good. They were on this last year. Another band that you told me about that I like. Just FYI. And that's solid stuff, dude. It's great. Anyway, Ahab. I'm listening to Ahab more and more, actually. I'm digging that one. Just got that Cobras and Fire, the Monster Magnet thing. I like that. One of the other things that we got a promo for recently 03:23:18.860 --> 03:23:48.840 We got a couple kind of old school thrash revival bands recently. And one of them, total cheeseball cover, total cheeseball titles, but it's a band called Death Hammer, a record called Evil Power. And it's like, honest to God, it's like a mix between like Shona Mercy, Slayer meets Bonded by Blood Exodus. Like if you mash those two records together, I mean, it's not quite the level of those records, but it's kind of fun to listen to. Probably won't last too long with me, but I got to say it's pretty hip. I'm also listening to, oh, and also another one that's 03:23:51.880 --> 03:23:55.720 It's just literally a box on Google where George puts promos for us. 03:23:56.060 --> 03:24:05.100 "Act of Defiance" This was a pretty interesting album that we picked up as a promo that reminds me a lot of a slightly more produced goat whore. 03:24:05.520 --> 03:24:07.080 It's a little less blackened than that. 03:24:07.739 --> 03:24:10.480 But it literally reminds me of goat whore. I mean, you'll have to check it out. 03:24:10.720 --> 03:24:12.740 Anyway, I was pretty surprised when I heard that record. 03:24:12.940 --> 03:24:15.300 And I'm even more surprised now to hear who it was because I had no idea. 03:24:15.560 --> 03:24:18.240 I didn't read about it. 03:24:18.640 --> 03:24:20.940 Yeah, Megadeth, Leftover Band. 03:24:21.860 --> 03:24:22.380 Essentially, yeah. 03:24:23.120 --> 03:24:23.720 And that's about it. 03:24:23.800 --> 03:24:24.800 What are you listening to, Buke? 03:24:25.480 --> 03:24:25.960 Very simple. 03:24:26.260 --> 03:24:26.880 Just get right to it. 03:24:27.020 --> 03:24:27.460 Save one time. 03:24:27.780 --> 03:24:29.700 Black Tongue from Hull, England. 03:24:30.320 --> 03:24:31.540 The Unconquerable Dark. 03:24:32.360 --> 03:24:32.620 Nice. 03:24:33.220 --> 03:24:34.620 It's probably my number. 03:24:34.860 --> 03:24:36.360 I'm bouncing by forest number. 03:24:36.800 --> 03:24:37.500 Jumped up my list. 03:24:38.180 --> 03:24:39.380 Number two, number three album. 03:24:40.719 --> 03:24:42.520 It's fucking all over the map. 03:24:43.120 --> 03:24:43.840 Brutal album. 03:24:44.140 --> 03:24:44.820 Rocks my whole house. 03:24:44.980 --> 03:25:14.960 I downloaded it, but I'll start. Slow, do me. Cool. I'm glad to know it's getting you going because that gives me something new to put on. So I've been kind of tearing it up on Bandcamp. I think I might be trying to be in some sort of buying race with our friend Gregory Kelly because we just keep going back and forth on things. I've got 17 bands here. Jesus Christ. You'd think I went to the freaking beach again or something. You know Mike does a Spotify playlist for this every week. You're going to kill 03:25:15.000 --> 03:25:44.960 I know sorry Mike I so I am just going to go through these quickly a lot of it is like either black metal or black and death metal or death and black metal or you know it's there's a lot of similar stuff okay I'm just gonna run through it quickly this one I got from John I don't know how to pronounce it a mess to gone and fear I don't know how to pronounce that either it's like there but it's the eye and the ear backwards that's some wild stuff members of 03:25:45.000 --> 03:26:14.960 and summoning highly recommended check it out next up is a band called ball mog kind of like ball rock but with an m uh summa fide perhaps it's a spanish black metal band also really good check it out next up uh corpse garden and theogen that's a deaf metal band from costa rica i think buke would like these guys if he doesn't already really cool check it out i had them right now uh i've got the new deaf heaven on there we already talked about that let's skip that a band called dwell and 03:26:14.980 --> 03:26:44.640 They're from Denmark. I know Corpse Garden, yeah. I just found out yesterday that this is actually a compilation of their demo and a couple of extra tracks. I would not have guessed that. It is an incredibly well-crafted album of really good, like, death metal, doom-ish kind of stuff. I highly recommend it. Get it on Bandcamp. Next one is a band. It's pronounced Dystopia Now. However, they are a Norwegian band, and it's actually spelled Dystopia. 03:26:44.980 --> 03:27:14.940 N-O with a little dot over it. And I was like, I bet that's now. And I went into Google Translate and I put that in there and it translated to now. That's a great album. Dystopia Now, Dweller on the Threshold. Love it. It's a little avant-gardish. Yes. Very worth listening to. You can also find that on Bandcamp. Next up is a death of doom band from Brooklyn called Fin Amor. That's F-I-N-A-POSTROPHE-A-M-O-R. And their album Forbidding Mornings. 03:27:15.000 --> 03:27:44.940 as in to mourn morning really good stuff check it out also on band camp next up is a demo from a german band called grimage and it's called tales from beyond i did not know this was a demo until i was researching it for my list i bought it because it sounded awesome it's uh just check it out i don't have time to tell you about it it's it's it's not as heavy as some of this other stuff it's uh but it's good it's kind of doom uh next up is a band called hive lords and tapered 03:27:44.960 --> 03:28:14.700 Limbs of a Human Star. They're a Philly black doom band. Really cool stuff. A band I'm going to mispronounce. Har? H-A-A-R? And their album The Wayward Ceremony. They're from Scotland. It's a progressive black metal band. I highly recommend it. We also have the promo of that, George. I hope you didn't buy it off Bandcamp. I did for the flack. But yes, I gave you guys the promo a while back and nobody said anything. And I was like, meh, whatever. I like it. But I finally picked it up on Bandcamp because it's awesome. 03:28:14.960 --> 03:28:44.800 Next up is a band called In Twilight's Embrace. Not to be confused with the band we had on here last year called Twilight's Embrace. This is a band from Poland. They play death metal and... The Grim Muse. Yeah. The album's called The Grim Muse. And, you know, I started listening to this on Bandcamp and I was like, damn, you know, this is like some old school kind of at the gates kind of shit. Oh, well, that's because the song I was listening to, there's two songs on the album featuring Thomas Lindbergh on vocals. So, uh, 03:28:45.380 --> 03:29:14.900 Yeah, gold star to me for picking out Thomas Lindbergh. But the rest of the album is really good, too. There's a couple other singers. Next up is a stoner sludge band from the UK called Limb and their new album Terminal. Not as heavy as some of this stuff, but it's good kind of stoner with a little bit of heavier sludge to it, if you like that sort of thing. Next up is a band I can thank Fiend for. He mentioned it on last episode. This is, fuck if I can pronounce this, Mifo Rash or Mifo Rash or I don't know. 03:29:15.640 --> 03:29:44.080 M-E-P-H-O-R-A-S-H. And their album, 1557 Rites of Nullification. It's a Swedish black metal band. Not your average black metal. You should check it out. Next up, Ocean Wake. Album's called Sunless. It's a Finnish death doom band. Probably not my favorite on this list, but it's not bad. So I picked it up. You should check it out. Next up, got this one from Corey over at Nine Circles. Shrine of Insan... Fuck. Shrine of Insanobolis. 03:29:44.940 --> 03:30:14.600 you say that. Disciples of the Void, German black metal band. Also not quite your average typical black metal band. Check it out. Temple of Ball, I already mentioned them in the new releases. French Black Death Band, I'm really digging it. And finally, number 17, a band by the name of Roman numeral 6, VI. The album's called De Prestigius Angelorum. I didn't write down where they were from, I forget, but it's a black metal album. At this point, as long as you just held on for that ride, whew, 03:30:14.940 --> 03:30:44.540 I should have saved some of these for next time. Next week I'll have like one. But as you can see, I have been busy hunting. So, okay, let's move on to our classic albums. Classic Albums! I'll go quick. Let's talk about Fate's Warning playing Prog Power. And I went all the way back to Spectre Within. 03:30:48.999 --> 03:31:14.900 I love it I didn't chime in there much on that but I just kind of want to say that John Arches one of my favorite American vocalists ever no question about it love everything he's done with face warning and otherwise perhaps you should join us you already have been here for that fast that's true enough yeah when is it by the way what is the number I hear I hear told it's sold out oh yeah you can find a ticket all right mine is kind of a weird 03:31:15.020 --> 03:31:44.900 choice. It's the one kind of weird standout, odd Motorhead record, and it's got Brian Robertson from Thin Lizzy was on the band for one record. It was called Another Perfect Day. A lot of Motorhead people hate this record, but I think it's a really good record, so I just kind of want to throw it out there. Nice. Really simple kick in with my thrash that I've been on the last couple months, Testament, The Legacy. Oh, yeah. It starts out with Over the Wall, and it just continues awesome. That's classic. Classic. I took us back to the way 03:31:44.940 --> 03:32:10.920 Machine to 1983 for a band I mentioned briefly earlier, Warlord and Deliver Us. Classic. This was probably sort of a progenitor prog metal band as well, really. Again, I didn't really think of it that way back then, but songs like Deliver Us from Evil, I think it's called, and of course Child of the Damned. What a fucking killer song that is. Right now. All right. Vinyl purchases. 03:32:11.540 --> 03:32:11.800 Vinyl! 03:32:23.601 --> 03:32:43.940 All right, real quick, none of mine are new. Well, they're new, but they're not new releases. Rush, you know, is releasing everything again in 200 gram, whatever. So I just picked up Exit Stage Left, Signals, and Caress of Steel. Got the two Neurosis that just came out through Silver and Blood and Time. 03:32:45.100 --> 03:32:45.820 In Oxblood. 03:32:47.880 --> 03:32:51.900 And then, back to Fate's Warning again, finally got a hold of Specter Within. 03:32:52.220 --> 03:32:53.720 It's always Fate's Warning with this guy. 03:32:53.900 --> 03:32:57.460 And I think it's like, what, one of 500 or something that were released? 03:32:57.860 --> 03:32:59.580 Yeah, the reissue. 03:32:59.740 --> 03:33:02.720 Yeah, the reissue, yeah. It's limited, so I got one of them. 03:33:03.100 --> 03:33:03.220 Nice. 03:33:04.460 --> 03:33:04.840 Jay, what you got? 03:33:05.060 --> 03:33:13.980 As George would say. Pretty small load for me this time. A couple things showed up that I've probably mentioned previously, because I ordered them, but now they show 03:33:14.020 --> 03:33:17.380 I finally got my copy of Ahab which was floating around in space for whatever reason. 03:33:17.740 --> 03:33:18.720 I'm glad that's resolved. 03:33:19.440 --> 03:33:25.220 Me too dude, I don't know what the deal was there but it was great to have it and I have to say I put it in the first day, sat there and listened to it all the way through. 03:33:25.939 --> 03:33:36.020 I got both Monster Magnet albums that we were talking about, the Mastermind and the Cobras and Fires and those are both really kind of cool splattery wax on them. 03:33:36.300 --> 03:33:42.740 And finally, one I'm pretty sure Buke is going to say too, which is I did pick up the Cattle Decapitation on vinyl. 03:33:43.120 --> 03:34:12.900 Yes, I did pick that up. I finally found the cattle on vinyl. I grabbed that. I picked up the new Black Dahlia Murder Abysmal on vinyl. And since I was disappointed with the album last year, I waited until I picked it up on vinyl. I got Machine Head Killers and Kings. Is that it? I thought it was Bloodstones and Diamonds. Bloodstones and Diamonds. Killers and Kings. That's a track off the album. Yeah, Bloodstones. I got that on vinyl finally. Cool. All right. Well, I got two rat albums. I'm sure you're all excited. 03:34:13.120 --> 03:34:43.020 about Reach for the Sky and Dancing Undercover for a little bit of hair metal. And I couldn't wait around for Jay to get me this one, so I got Tools 10,000 Days. And I got, this one's a little hard to find, I got Satircon's Rebel Extravaganza. Oh, right on. John, the joke there was, when George got to 1,349 vinyl albums, I bought him a 1349 record, and so I told him I'd buy him, my next one would be Tools 10,000 Days. So he was going to need to get 03:34:43.060 --> 03:35:12.940 I have 9,999 albums, but I guess he got sick of waiting. Yeah. And just to put John in his place, I also got Neurosis, Through Silver and Blood, End Times of Grace, Oxblood, bitch. Yes, and they look awesome. I got Times of Grace, but it's black. Deep tracks. All right, my deep track, It's on the Wall, Cathedral, Carnival Bazaar, last track, Electric Grave. Nice. Love that too. Topical. Well done, John. My deep track, oh, arguably all these guys, 03:35:13.880 --> 03:35:41.320 I would like people to give a listen to off of High and Fire's Blessed Black Wings or Blessed Black Wings. There's a song in there that's like a dirge. It's called Brother in the Wind. God, I love that song. It's a great song. Brother in the Wind, High and Fire. Right on. Buke? Off of South of Heaven, Dissident Aggressor. Woohoo! That's a good choice. Judas Priest cover. Yes, it is. Grand Canyons. My deep track is Flight of the Warrior from Riot's Thundersteel. 03:35:43.060 --> 03:36:12.640 If this was a contest, he would win every time. Hey, George, I think they just, you probably have them, but they just re-released all of those on vinyl again. Yeah, I've got them. I've got Thundersteel, and I've got a couple other ones that I think were reissues as well. Restless Breed, all of them. Like, all those, the good ones, just came out on vinyl again. All right, well, here we are at the end of the episode, finally. Dazed and confused. This is another one of the long ones. You've made it this far. John's like, why did I say I would come? Yeah. 03:36:13.020 --> 03:36:41.260 I'm on vacation for like 12 days. Awesome. Perfect. Nice. All right. Well, before we get into the last bit with Evan from Will to Run, make sure to check us out on Facebook, where you can find us under the Metalheads podcast on Facebook. We are on Twitter. I am at Disciple of Metal, Disciple OV Metal. I'm at Opeth fan. I love how you're disappointed every time you say it. Jay's at CatatonicJ. That's right. 03:36:43.040 --> 03:36:44.380 speak with John. 03:36:44.800 --> 03:36:45.580 At WhiteCluster. 03:36:45.650 --> 03:36:45.980 Thank you. 03:36:45.990 --> 03:36:47.340 I got so many different names. 03:36:47.720 --> 03:36:49.360 At WhiteCluster69. 03:36:50.199 --> 03:36:51.160 69, dude. 03:36:51.980 --> 03:37:01.840 May I say, please follow John, not just because he's our friend, but John has recently started a nightly headphones play. 03:37:02.240 --> 03:37:02.900 Yeah, only headphones. 03:37:02.990 --> 03:37:03.720 Yeah, only headphones. 03:37:04.000 --> 03:37:04.580 It's pretty cool. 03:37:05.580 --> 03:37:10.640 If you're like us and you have a nice pair of headphones, he straps on the headphones, listens to an album. 03:37:11.380 --> 03:37:12.480 The only problem is? 03:37:13.040 --> 03:37:42.660 I'm conking out every time. It's okay. It's okay. Sometimes that's, you know. It's great. Yeah. You can also find us on Instagram at MetalheadsPodcast. We're on YouTube. I just updated our YouTube channel so that's a little prettier. It's more Metalheads based instead of Metal Disciple since that's going away. If you're on Xbox, look me up. Opef Bodum. I'll take you in fucking hockey. Bring it. I'm Puck Buddy, by the way. Yeah, that's right. Puck Buddy. He's Puck Buddy. 03:37:45.340 --> 03:38:12.700 We're also on Stitcher and of course as always you can find us on Metalheads Podcast dot com. I'm going to thank John again for coming on. Thank you for having me. Thanks John. Thank you guys. Appreciate it. Thank you for the beers. Yes, thank you. Hope you enjoyed. We did. And we will see you next time so stick around and this is the last bit with Evan and another song. See you next time. Alright, well here we are at the end of today's episode and as promised we will be playing another song 03:38:12.740 --> 03:38:42.700 from Wilder Run. We have Evan with us still. Before we get into that though, Evan, is there anything you'd like to pimp, talk about? Where can people get your stuff? I always just advertise the Bandcamp page. It's where most people hear our music. If anyone wants to check us out, it's just wilderun.bandcamp.com. We have digital copies, physical copies of both records. We got a couple t-shirts up there. A couple new t-shirts that we just put up a few weeks ago from our 03:38:42.740 --> 03:39:12.160 most recent tours. So yeah, Bandcamp is where to go. And as far as any shows go, no specific plans. But if anyone's looking to see us in the U.S., just keep an eye out for next year. Early next year, we're going to be trying to play some shows. So just stay tuned for that. Evan, I'm sure you can see on the camera, the three of us are pretty healthy. Do you have healthy sizes available on the Bandcamp? Right now, we have small through 2XL. 03:39:12.720 --> 03:39:13.200 I'm fine. 03:39:13.580 --> 03:39:14.820 Of most of those shirts. 03:39:15.660 --> 03:39:16.520 We have an array. 03:39:17.659 --> 03:39:22.240 What George is trying to say is folk and prog fans are a little on the healthy side. 03:39:23.540 --> 03:39:24.800 And we need our 3X. 03:39:25.840 --> 03:39:26.600 Or bigger. 03:39:28.159 --> 03:39:31.500 Yeah, we'll definitely, that's next in the plan. 03:39:32.600 --> 03:39:35.860 Either that or I could just eat a few less cheeseburgers and get into a 2X. 03:39:35.970 --> 03:39:36.380 But you know. 03:39:36.540 --> 03:39:36.840 No more. 03:39:37.160 --> 03:39:38.760 Why should it be my fault, you know? 03:39:39.920 --> 03:39:44.040 Evan, I will say my part in speaking for the rest of us. We love your album. 03:39:44.810 --> 03:39:45.880 Thank you so much. Thank you. 03:39:47.060 --> 03:39:51.820 I don't know what could knock this off my list for number one album of the year. 03:39:53.340 --> 03:39:57.560 The list is very fluid. It always changed all the time. You guys are probably locked in still. 03:39:58.720 --> 03:40:00.500 Thanks for coming on and joining us. John? 03:40:00.670 --> 03:40:01.300 Yeah, I'm honored. 03:40:01.690 --> 03:40:06.980 Yeah, I couldn't say it any better. I think that it's going to be hard. I love the album. 03:40:07.860 --> 03:40:29.960 and look more from you guys and hope everything goes even better. Thank you. All right. Well, so next up is the song The Garden of Fire. Is there anything you can tell us about that before we play it? It's just a heavy fucking track. That's what we like to hear. Simple and brilliant. There you go. All right. Well, thanks for coming on. And here you go, everyone. This is The Garden of Fire. 03:41:13.800 --> 03:41:17.540 Countless years have come and gone 03:41:18.160 --> 03:41:19.620 And still we take it 03:41:20.160 --> 03:41:22.280 It's all the ocean skin 03:41:23.400 --> 03:41:24.320 On fire 03:41:25.300 --> 03:41:27.480 Skies collapse with ease 03:41:28.440 --> 03:41:29.500 And still we fly 03:41:29.960 --> 03:41:30.760 And we cry 03:41:31.680 --> 03:41:34.960 On the night in disguise 03:41:42.720 --> 03:41:52.280 See what I see, all is your need? Feel what I fear as you hear. 03:41:53.500 --> 03:42:03.500 Still is untrusted sin, the virtue of life. Exhort in my own heart, is my heart. 03:42:03.780 --> 03:42:06.120 Survival takes control, 03:42:07.280 --> 03:42:08.220 Meadows and will, 03:42:08.720 --> 03:42:11.400 and hard crimes we shall lead, 03:42:12.260 --> 03:42:14.540 as bravely or death, 03:42:14.960 --> 03:42:15.080 you- 03:42:31.979 --> 03:42:33.380 "GREATED" 03:42:46.300 --> 03:43:09.780 I'd cry your name if you were near, if your wealth unfails. But I would dream it like your sins, if your heart unfails. There's no more sleep from this cave of lions. 03:43:15.760 --> 03:43:17.740 I take my own! 03:43:19.820 --> 03:43:23.360 There is still a tearing part from dealing with 03:43:24.740 --> 03:43:44.460 I couldn't trade the blood from our dreams I take my own So I might be the sinner for me To the lost and smiling well Will you forget that my head only rests One single thing 03:44:00.540 --> 03:44:23.340 If you're racing into the crowd You will fight the decisions grown Unbound, unbound, unbound Drowning in the sea of dust and broken thorns 03:44:23.360 --> 03:44:31.320 You'd find me here that it was not you for my thought. 03:44:32.100 --> 03:44:38.600 A reflection lives inside your gentle heart. 03:44:39.100 --> 03:44:47.660 Seek its gains and watch as you burn yourself apart. 03:45:08.920 --> 03:45:13.500 We face the cost of the density 03:45:16.680 --> 03:45:43.640 And I feel the world will be over me So I'll take the world into the skies And forget why I take so far 03:46:01.699 --> 03:46:03.100 DUNEYOU! 03:46:12.200 --> 03:46:18.880 You finally see my worsted ways 03:46:24.620 --> 03:46:32.080 You finally see my worsted ways 03:46:42.360 --> 03:46:45.420 I could fly forever 03:46:46.560 --> 03:46:48.200 Like a dream forever 03:46:48.900 --> 03:46:51.080 In the garden of fire 03:46:51.560 --> 03:46:54.400 Although I'm so tired 03:46:55.040 --> 03:46:56.760 But I could fly forever 03:46:58.020 --> 03:47:02.320 In the garden of fire 03:47:02.860 --> 03:47:05.660 In the garden of fire 03:47:41.859 --> 03:48:05.640 For now we will surrender to the fading sun We'll awaken, we'll find intention and action now on So don't despair if you can't find your mind For tonight we drink together from the goblets of time 03:48:27.699 --> 03:48:34.120 From all who will surrender to the fading sun, 03:48:34.420 --> 03:48:59.020 Well, we can provide intentions and action all on So don't despair if you can't find your mind For tonight we drink the river from the goblins of time 03:49:48.780 --> 03:50:03.500 Субтитры создавал DimaTorzok 03:50:15.720 --> 03:50:21.120 Субтитры создавал DimaTorzok