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Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, metal's my religion, and yeah, it's my dope. Standing in the thunder on stage in the pouring metal rain. What a feeling, baby, the lights are exploding.

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Hello and welcome to the Metalheads Podcast.

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My name is George. This is Buke. This is Jay. And our friend Matt is joining us in the studio today. Hey, Matt. Hey, everybody. How you doing? You may know Matt from when I was out with my daughter and you did your retrospective musical trip. That's right. That's right. Which is no longer posted, by the way. I took it down because all you fuckers were busting my balls so much. Oh, I saved it. I saved it. But yes, Matt and I go,

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way back and Matt was the singer on the Sons of Destiny songs that we those were the ones that didn't suck at the very end so I didn't realize this I didn't know this was a famous man with us that's awesome dude yeah oh I wouldn't say famous but infamous pronounced exactly that way that's correct right famous it's the three amigos version he's right you know he's not just famous he's

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I think it's actually unfamous. So Matt's sitting in. He seems a little shy today so he may not talk as much as we want him to but. I'm not shy. I'm just watching George over here get redder and redder. As it gets warmer and warmer in here. It's hot as fuck out today. I just went out to get those beers and it was 105 degrees. Damn. Yes. Keep it outside.

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the AC on down here in the basement where we're trying to hide from the heat but it's just getting warmer and warmer particularly with the beer yeah so but then you get number and number and then you can't feel it yeah all right well i just want to pimp something before we get started we just had an amazingly awesome interview with joel violette of throstenblot awesome guy violetta and we'll be getting to that in a little bit but we've got a bunch of stuff

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want to talk about first before we get into that. If you listened to the last episode, then you know it was our mid-year episode where we had John and Will on and we all discussed our top 10 or even 11 picks for the first half of 2015. I think I'm not the only one to be able to say that after walking away from that, I went and discovered a bunch of new bands that were on other people's lists. Absolutely. No, dude, let's talk it out.

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Yeah, so, you know, what did we learn from each other?

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Well, okay, I'll just jump in and go first, dude. First and foremost, and you'd mentioned this to us previously, George, so I don't know why I took my time with it, but I found what is potentially my album of the year, at least it's fighting for it, which is Bell Witch. Damn, dude. Like, really, dude. That was, like, one of the things on your list, and it was, like, 11 on your list that just, I have listened to that so many times since then.

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Also, I knew Buke liked him, but Will got me started on Gruesome. That's super killer. Yeah, that's a great one. I got more, too, but let's hear what some of you guys got, and then we'll go from there. All right. Buke, do you have anything that you learned from other people? Yes. I'm putting it up on my phone right now. Will had this on his list. XGenesis. Yeah, that was on my list, too. And on Jay's list, also.

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It fits right into the genre and the style that I like a lot. It's a great record. Yeah, amazing record. I wasn't part of that. But I can tell you one thing I learned from another artist, an old guitarist of mine, Mike. I'm struggling with his name. He introduced me to this band called Pagan's Mind. I don't know if you guys have heard of them. Yeah, I know them.

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Nils K. Rue, their singer, has got a set of pipes on him that just drives me crazy. I listen to every song they've written, Isis. And I started that like I was going to say a list, but I know Isis. I'm horrible with names. But I put them on shuffle, and I just can listen to every track. I mean, they're amazing. They are a good band.

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They have this alien like the aliens brought us to what we are type message. They ought to get up. They could they ought to get together with Matt Pike then. You know, right? Right. And not only that, their guitarist is phenomenal. I mean, everything about these guys is just like amazing. I don't know if it's Ronnie Tegner is their guitarist, right? This guy right here. No, that's keyboards. They're all very

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I'm very talented and that's who I've been getting into lately. I'm kind of like a set up on one band and I ride them real hard type guy. Pagan's Mind, Opeth, you know. If it sounds good, I'm going to listen to it until the CD breaks or the album breaks. Sorry, just throwing in my input. I don't know what to do here.

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I got one more I got to mention and it's an opposite and I'm sorry George I gotta tell you I think the new High on Fire is a step down in quality from their last few releases. I'm sorry I know but I gotta go I wasn't I wasn't gonna say it but I was like screw it. I mean I'll still spin it a bunch more but I have their favorite records which I'll save my rant for their favorites but they just didn't quite hit me and it could be that I'm just like you know High on Fire it out I hate to say it but and I'm not but whatever.

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So my apologies for that man. I want to go there. I want to feel that love with you. Well, you never will because you're against them now. Yeah, because he's a fucking psycho now. Oh, I got another one. I got another one. Supremacy Archive, Pagan's Mind. Listen to that track. That doesn't get your nipples hard. Seriously. Georgie Boy, I want to know because I want to know if I influenced Georgian anyway. You did. Everybody's on here. But first one is Feral,

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Where Dead Dreams Dwell, which was one I picked up from Buke. Me too. That was great, by the way, Buke. He's not even doing a little happy dance. He got my approval. He always wants my approval. There's my approval. Enjoy it a little. Bask in it. Come on. Follow it up with something else. Another one. This one came from Will's List. Ingested, The Architect of Extinction. Fucking badass death metal album there. Brutal. Their third album.

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UK. Next one is one from Jay. It wasn't, maybe it was on his list. I don't know. I don't think it wasn't on his list, but I still picked it up based on his recommendation right before Vacation, and that's Mutoid Man and their album Bleeder. God bless you, George. I like that record so much, dude. I'm so glad you like it. You know, when I first heard about it, I don't know, like a month or so ago, I listened to a little clip and I was like, meh, not for me. And I moved on.

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And then when you were like, this is awesome! I was like, alright, let me try this again. And I listened to it on the beach, more in depth, with nothing better to do. And I was like, oh yeah, this is actually pretty awesome. It's funny how that works, too. When I first started with Demi Borgir, Bukes has been my influence for everything. He's like, hey, you've got to listen to this, you've got to listen to that. Job for a cowboy. I actually came back from Florida and told him about them.

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I've known them for like ever. But when I, Job for a Cowboy for instance, when I was initially introduced into those guys, I said this sounds like a lot of sound. You know, I've got a musical background, was becoming an engineer when I was introduced to them. So I was like, it's got to sound epic. It's got to sound, it's got to have that Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix feel. And then I grew up and I was like,

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My ears are tuned to a lot more different sounds. Just because somebody's screaming and yelling doesn't mean it's not instrumental. It's just what they're doing at the time. So you listen to them a few times. I mean, Job for a Cowboy, I listened to them once and said, ah, fuck those guys. And then I came back to them and said, these guys are actually pretty freaking good. And not only that, you try getting on the guitar and playing what they're doing.

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And you're like, holy shit, these guys are actually really good. Like, I need to listen to these cats. And that's what gets me into guys is like sitting there eating popcorn or whatever that is. Mini burritos. No, that's coming later. This is actually my breakfast. You know what I mean. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I suffer from that all the time. I'll hear a clip of something and it's maybe not the most interesting part of a song or

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Part of the album. And I'll be like, nah, whatever. And I'll move on. And then I'll come to realize later, wait, if I had listened another 30 seconds, I would have realized this is amazing. Yeah, exactly. It's just hard. I've got to sneak in one fact there, George, which is Mitoid Man is going to be here in August and I'm trying real hard for us to open for them. Nice. We'll be seeing them next month at the barbecue. I saw. Matt will be there with us. And we found out George is going to be joining us, man. Down's going to be there.

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Yep, Clutch is going to be there. Clutch, oh, I didn't know that, but basically my sell point was down. I enjoyed down quite immensely. There's a bunch of hot girls. It was them or Superdome. You bring either of them in, and it's like, I feel like I'm Selma, okay, yeah, I can do this. All right. We're stealing your thunder, George. What else you got for us, George? I've got another band from Will. This one's called Pyres and Year of Sleep. It's the first album from a Toronto progressive sludge band.

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Will mentioned this one. It wasn't on his list, but he mentioned it later on Twitter. I totally dug that one, so thanks Will. Then of course, a band that I knew about. In fact, I had their first album, but I had sort of glossed over their newest album until Jay lost his mind over it. This one is Sulphur Aeon and Gateway to the Antisphere. It's the second album from these German death medallers and it is pretty badass. Germany's got some good metal, man.

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Oh yeah really really good stuff still still totally into that record yep good in technology and metal and then the last one that I took away from our mid-year list which was the number one for both John and Buke yeah wild run and their album sleep at the edge of the earth this was another band that I listened to a brief clip and I was like yeah you know I've heard that before whatever and I moved on but you know when it ends

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as the number one album mid-year for two of the people on the podcast. Who hadn't even talked to one another about it. Yeah, I was like, all right, I really need to check this out. And I listened to it more. And while I wouldn't rank it as my number one, it is definitely a very, very good album. And it's very different than a lot of the stuff that you're going to hear out there now. And that's part of the appeal. So good job on that one, guys. I was going to say I should bring a pad of paper and pencil to this, but I guess I could listen to the podcast. Nope.

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Oh no dude, nobody listens to this podcast. No, it's not true, I've listened to one of you. Or you could go on Spotify and listen to the playlists put together by one of our listeners. Holy shit. We got a message on Twitter this week. One of our listeners has been taking each episode and whatever we talk about, he makes a Spotify playlist from it, from all the bands on the episode. And who's the listener? I am pulling it up right now. Yeah, pull that up because you need to give him some credit as well.

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to not actually mention him.

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Buk told me about this a few days ago.

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I follow the Metal Heads Pod Twitter feed, but somehow I missed this.

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And he had tweeted to us links to these playlists.

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And I was just like, mind blown.

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I'm like, that's the sort of thing that happens.

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That means you're reaching out and touching people.

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Yeah.

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That's what you want.

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As long as we have permission to touch them, that's okay.

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This is at Mr. France.

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So at M-F-R-A-N-C-E-S-K-I. Follow him on Twitter, the franchise. He actually has been making, again, Spotify playlists. He's leading you to really good, really good information. Yeah. He's doing what we would do as fans, and so that makes it so good when somebody does that kind of thing. And also, we got to think this moment. For somebody to do that for us, it's like, wow. We should be doing it. That's the thing. As an entertainer,

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I guess I could call myself I mean right now I'm you're entertaining me I'm yeah I'm covering bands at the moment just to bring cash in um I'm sure he's Jay Jay is looking at me like uh okay that's weak but um he was just I I have a mental link with Jane he was just thinking he was can I just put the fucking visual image here for a second John and will Jay's eating again okay

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How he stays so skinny, always eating. Well, that's the thing. It's six small portions a day. I eat a dinner and that's it. I'm good. Sorry, get back on track. I'm trying to cash checks, basically, so I'm playing other people's music. It's fun and in the same sense, it's horrible because you don't get

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to throw your artistic views into things. And it's always funner to write your own music. Where I was going with this, I'm not exactly sure. But basically, I sit back and I hear Buke always talking about this and that. And I've been witness to the podcast a few times, quite a few times. Mainly when I was involved in it with Sons of Death.

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By the way, I saved every one of those. I had somebody steal the CD. I guess it was good enough to be stolen. So that says a lot. Or they needed a coaster for the beer. No, no, no. It was a party. I played the CD and they were like, holy shit, this is really good. And then all of a sudden I go to get it and it's not there. Anyway, I've been witness to these guys doing this podcast for so long.

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Nice to see metal being brought into anyone's mainstream. I mean, you can take mainstream for what it is at this point because you've got social media. You've got all this BS that anyone can post anything anywhere at this point, and it's news. So we start getting enough people to post this. Hey, listen to the Metalheads podcast.

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Let's take this viral, people. Yeah, that's right. Let's do that. Getting back to our list before we move on to the podcast. Jay had something to say. Hang on, Buick. Only that I might be doing what Buick was going to do, which was just while we're doing the little shout-out type thing, I really, really want to acknowledge another one of our listeners. He's on Twitter under at Gregory WJ Kelly. I was just going to mention him. Right. Right. You said there's no way I'm saying it. But he's just a real engaged list.

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He buys a lot of stuff on Bandcamp that we talk about.

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Yeah, in fact, I've got another list of new music that we'll be talking about a little later. My beach communing music. And he's on that list as well.

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It sounds like a Christian Bandcamp thing.

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He needs to know that. He's listening to us, but we've looked at your list, buddy, the stuff you follow on Bandcamp, and you've influenced us too.

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So anyway, just a little shout out to him. What's his name again? Gregory W. J. Kelly. Yeah. I just wanted to get back on topic here again with things you've learned from the mid-year lists. I can't believe I forgot this and George mentioned it on your list. This album totally, I knew nothing of it until you sent it to me. Your number seven pick, Malakash. Malakash. Oh yeah, Malakash. How I forgot.

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about that album, I don't know how. It's an amazing album. It is. It's such an amazing album. It's an Egyptian band? Israeli? I think it's Israeli. I don't know. I think they're from Jerusalem or something, but I think they may have had to leave the country or something because of persecution or something. They're based in Germany now, but I think they're more like a band like Niall.

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Yeah, and they do stuff that's all based in that ancient culture, just the way Niall does Egypt. I couldn't agree more. I think that's a great record. Yeah, I just wanted to give you guys both props for that, because how I left it off my list was a big, you know, a faux pas. Yeah, it was. It was a big error. But also, though, guys, 2015, we have been bombarded with amazing releases the past three years.

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four months.

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Yeah.

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And it's going to be picking up again.

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Just like George said in the Joel interview, August.

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Those last two weeks in August are busy.

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Oh, yeah.

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By the way, kudos to you for that.

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I mean, you must really follow release dates.

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Oh, I do.

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To be able to follow that.

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Oh, I do.

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Because that's exactly what I was thinking.

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August is like the worst time.

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Going off of what Matt said.

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And you're not going to know what we're talking about because we haven't played you the interview yet.

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But just like Matt was saying with release dates, we just got the new Between the Barret and Me. How weird was it, guys, that that came out Friday? Remember, we talked about it when we got that news story, George, that release dates were shifting to Friday. It was a little weird that it was on a Friday, wasn't it? Yeah, when they started doing it. It was Thursday, Tuesday. I had the promo beforehand, so I didn't really notice. Okay, but...

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It wasn't Tuesdays. It's internationally Fridays now. Yep, everywhere. Honestly, I think it was like a fiscal year thing. They did it on the beginning of the fiscal year, not to sound like a dipshit, but I think they did it because that's when companies do their fiscal year from July 1 instead of January 1. That's a fiscal year, so I think that was when they made the switch. That's weird. It was Tuesdays forever, which was Friday night. Yeah, I thought it was Tuesdays and Thursdays. Always.

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It's going to be weird. I've been on the Tuesday schedule for 20 years or more of every Tuesday. What's new? What's new? Right. No more. That's a good segue into our next thing, unless somebody has any more titles there, which is what most anticipated releases for the second half of 2015. May I go first? You may. Please do. Coming out this Friday, I'm going to be off if I'm incorrect, and it's next week.

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But depending on when you hear this, the new Lamb of God. Each release has been getting better and better. That is my Pantera right there. Seriously. I mean, does anybody disagree with me? This is Pantera loss. They're flying the flag for American Metal now. Yeah, exactly. While we're on that, I want to go ahead and pilfer something from the news section. They've been playing some tracks.

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They played, was that Still Echoes? Yeah. And then there was 512. Yeah, 512, yeah. And then we've heard, I'm assuming you've heard Overlord? Yeah. What's everybody think of Overlord? Meh. I'm not crazy about it. I expect to hear Randy get some shit about not screaming on parts of it, but it's not really clean singing either. And I have to say I wasn't really fond of the song, but it wasn't because of the way he was singing. No.

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in the song but honestly though honestly do you have to be screaming no no that's my

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dog path look at opeth that is true metal right as far as i'm concerned that's my point i'm not saying i don't like it because of the way he's singing i'm saying it was just kind of a boring song in general and yeah i wanted to clarify that it wasn't because of his vocals i actually like that he's doing something different with his vocals i just would like it to be a little more interesting well

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Well, in your defense, I guess it would be, I haven't heard the songs. Well, you know what? I will say this. I think Lamb of God is one of those bands that needs to be very careful about the way they experiment. And that sounds silly. I mean, they can do whatever the hell they want. But all I mean to say is that they've got a very specific wheelhouse they play in. And I like to watch bands wander. That's a great point you bring up. They're so mainstream that they can't experiment. No, it's not that. It's just more like they've got, I wouldn't call them a one-trick pony, but they're

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very, very, very good at what they do. And what they do is a very specific kind of thing. I have to tell you, I brought this up last episode. A guy I know has heard the record, and apparently a lot of it is sort of like that, too, I've got to tell you. But, oh, I haven't heard it. So I heard that song, but I haven't heard the rest of the record. So we'll see. We'll see. I remain open-minded. But I wasn't crazy about it either, George. Okay. All right. Well, what else are we anticipating? Well, go ahead. Go ahead. I have a couple. Okay. The Megadeth.

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album that may come out with chris adler on drums after hearing the uh the metal sucks interview

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with him i was a little more excited i was like this guy is really cool yeah hoping that we may get a

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return to their old sound well the fact that chris was like you know this is what get rid of this or you know i'd like to see you do things this way the fact that chris being a big megadeth fan felt like he was in a spot that he could try and sort of steer them away from things that were dumb

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That gives me a little hope. Hopes that this band may return to an older sound. My Dying Bride. Have you heard the song? Their guitarist is back. They're recording in the old studios that they did a lot of their earlier albums at. The song, which we are talking about, is called And My Father Left Forever. It has a very, like, Gods of the Sun sound to it. I think it was...

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I have to go back and listen to the last couple albums, but they had started to introduce harsh vocals again. Yep. And there weren't any on this song. I don't know if there'll be any on the album. I heard it there may, but it was, I'm good either way, as long as it's good. And this first new song sounds good. Got two more things that we said before it come out the second half of the year. We got a video preview from our guys at demons, thy demons be scribbling. Ahab. Yeah. Yeah.

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I think it calmed our worrying that it was going to be shit. Yeah, it sounded a lot better than the teaser. And hot off their amazing fucking leaving George and I speechless at Maryland Death Fest, Skepticism. Ooh. Has a new album coming out in October. I didn't think you'd be into that. Yep. All right. Very cool. George, after that performance, how could I not? Yeah. This is, I think, their first album in 12, 13 years.

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I don't think it's that long it's like five or six years anyway I think the last one was like 2008 you think so I was like five six years six seven years I think alloy was a yeah oh wait yeah so but after the last performance at death fest I cannot not be excited I mean can you blame bands though for taking so long to get the albums done yes yes I think I can

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They have to make money too. And you don't make money on albums. You make it on playing out, right? Yes. You've been to so many of the shows. I promise you've been to so many of the shows. I've been to all the shows. All of them. Correct. I said it at the start of the year for most anticipated for this year. Gojira. I thought their album may have made it in this year. Nope. Doesn't look like it's not. It looks like it's next year. They pretty much confirmed that. Jay, what do you got? A bunch of stuff off.

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So I'll leave it at that. We got a promo of this, which I couldn't be happier about, but the new Nile record, the promo's great. I'm looking for that. Be glad to get that on vinyl when it comes out. Ghost, we're all excited about that one. I know. Go ahead. I was just going to say, there's a new stream for another song called From the Pinnacle to the Pit, and I fucking love that one just as much as Cerise. Of Ghost? Yeah, of Ghost. And it is good. So I have high hopes for the new album. Sorry, Godless.

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And then finally the one that we're all saying quietly but not saying out loud is Book of Souls, Iron Maiden. I was waiting for that one to come up. I can't believe I did. Yeah, that's probably, I think that's probably our number one. Well, it's up there. 90 minutes. 90 minutes of music. It's Bugue's number one. Well, it's definitely like, at least, it's somewhere in the one, two-ish range, but are you done? I am. Okay. I didn't, I didn't want to,

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He didn't want to just roll into mine and like leave you hanging. Let George go. Oh, actually, actually, I didn't even make a list. Oh, excuse me. No, it's just because I was so busy and I didn't notice that I needed to do that. But definitely both of you guys' lists, you know, the ghost and obviously the maiden's a big one.

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Ahab and basically everything these guys says I agree with. Also... Go ahead. Well, I do want to say one more and that is the release that I was going to say I'm excited about is the one we don't know about yet, whatever it is. You know what I mean? Because we've been blindsided a couple times this year by like really cool releases we didn't see coming. Yeah. That's how Bandcamp is. Bands we don't know about. Oh yeah. Bandcamp is great for that. Exactly. So anyway, that. But go ahead, George. All right. Well, like I said, you know,

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The Iron Maiden and The Ahab and The Ghost. But one that we didn't mention, it's kind of a duh for me, is, of course, the new Thrasenblatt, which we'll be talking about with Joel in a little while. Yeah, I figured that'd be on your list, of course. Definitely. And I have to say also, as a local performer, go out, anyone listening, go out, enjoy your local bands, because some of the best metal bands I've ever seen,

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heard or unsigned. They're playing on stages around you.

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Hell yeah.

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Every weekend. Stuck in Chaos. Remember those guys?

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Mm-hmm.

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They were epically awesome.

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Yeah.

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And I haven't heard from them since I played with them. So go out, look at your local bands, see who's playing, enjoy their shows. Some of them are the most amazing bands you'll ever see, but they don't get signed because of some political

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Bullshit. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I just heard about a band that we've had here on the podcast, one of our local bands, Aries, and their singer, Rob Bradley, who's just fucking phenomenal. I just found out this past week they canceled their Kickstarter for their third album, which I had backed, because they're breaking up. Oh, no. Oh, I'm sorry to hear that, dude. At least work out the Kickstarter, get the cash and spit it out. I know, right? You know?

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You know, you're lucky, these days, George, especially right now, bands forming now, we'll be lucky to get three records out of most bands. Yeah. Yeah, really. It's a tough era for bands to be playing in. Right. It costs more to me being a band. Trust me, we've spent way more money on our band than we've ever come close to making, so you've got to love it. You've got to love it. That's the thing, is they say you have to be willing to spend money to make money, but in bands, it's like,

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you're spending your life's fortune to get just a couple inches ahead in where you're going.

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You know what I mean?

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I do.

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I know you know what I mean.

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I mean, I'm talking to you.

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The joke is, how do you make a small fortune in the music industry?

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And the answer is, you spend a large fortune.

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Correct.

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Well, you do like Radiohead did.

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Radiohead.

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As far as I know, they're one of the first bands to give their songs away, basically, online. Yep. And ask for donations. You know what? We're giving our CD away now. We just give it away. Yeah, and that's what a lot of bands are doing. They're saying, you know, we're making the music. It's a business card. Labels ask for way too much money from us. There's so many stories of bands that have just been completely

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bankrupted because they've gone with labels. And you've got these bands that are going out and they're writing songs, amazing songs, and they're just giving them away and asking for donations or, you know, I don't know what site I can relate that to, but I guess Kickstart in a way. I mean, you're asking for donations through Kickstart, but there's like a maximum and a minimum you have to meet, blah, blah, blah. But these bands, they're saying, you know,

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This is what we've created. If you want to give us cash for doing this. The next two items are related. And the first one I came up with actually a while ago. I found this in some of my notes on my phone. Something that I thought about a while back. And the topic after it reminded me of it. So I posed this question to the guys. It's the metal moral dilemma. Would you rather metal became extremely popular and

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everyone is into it thereby providing a larger pool of metal bands and making it possible for artists to live off making metal or would you prefer metal to be underground and only those that hear the call get into metal and metal bands all have to have day jobs to survive honestly honestly the day jobs thing is it sucks mm-hmm but I think that's one of the draws towards metal is people are looking for something that's

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It's not your average listening. These underground, yeah, it is way underground at this point. I mean, popular media just shoves Britney Spears up your asshole, and it's like, what the hell's going on? Right, but at the same time, well, actually, agreeing with you is what I meant to say, metal fans want to feel elite, and so they don't want everybody else to listen to it.

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when we were listening to hair metal. I know Jay was a big Poison fan. When people that we didn't like listened to something heavier, like if some preppy person liked Metallica, we were like, oh, fuck that shit, man. You didn't want those people listening to Metallica or your metal.

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Yeah, because you're like, no, fuck you. This is my thing. But given the current, you know, lay of the land and how, you know, bands break up because of their inability to make any money at what they're doing, which is the lesser of two evils? I think, honestly, that's where the kickstart comes into play. Sure. Because these people that feel the way we do as this should be an underground thing, don't listen to my shit, you're an asshole for doing it, can contribute

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to bands that are trying to do it. You know what I mean? I can't tell you how many times I've sat in lines with this asshole, Buke, I'm talking about. I got to remember that we're on radio, not video. And talk to so many metalheads. I mean, that's, for one, for me, in the queue is where you get to know people. You know?

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And everybody comes together. It's like we're here for this

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epic transformation of our souls, which is metal.

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You know? And that's where Kickstart comes into play.

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These people not only can buy the ticket, but they can contribute afterwards towards these bands

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and get them a little more notoriety, a little more cash.

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Because honestly, that's what a lot of people are in it for, is the cash.

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But which do we prefer?

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Do we prefer that metal bands can make a living even though we have to put up with the everyday Joe Schmoe asshole liking it? I want to get Jay's opinion being that he is actually in a band. Honestly, in my heart, I like it a little more in the ground. I'm already not successful, so it's not like I'm losing anything. It used to be that the labels controlled. You used to have to really, really hope for

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the Thrasenblatt way of doing things, which is we kind of pursued label ideas for a while, but you know what? Fuck that. We'll put our record out. I'm okay with the way it is right now. Believe it or not, I am. Because we're not all going to get rich anyway. So I'm okay. I'm okay. I like it a little more. And that's almost an attraction to the whole thing is these guys aren't there to do it for money. They're there to do it because we love it and they love it. That's part of the thing.

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I agree. I have one more comment though too and that's that when I was a kid metal was this really weird private thing that happened in my bedroom or headphones. That your mom hated. In some weird sort of way this it would be weird for me if it was if it was something I shared with the world at large. That sounds dumb but I can't quite explain it. Anyone listening any metal head listening is going to understand that completely. You want to do

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what you want to do, not what mommy and daddy want you to do. You want your own thing. And I think that's where a lot of it starts is you get this rebellious attitude. Not to say it that way. That's probably not a good way to say it. Rebellious. I mean, it's just a way to get outside. Well, you know what? I would say I would change rebellious with private. To me, my interaction with music is so meaningful and somewhat private to me.

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I could not. As much as you might think this would have worked out on the pod with any number of people, the reason George and Buk and I hit it off is because we have the same heart attachment to the music. Absolutely. These guys have some of the biggest hearts for this I've ever seen in my life. Would I start a podcast for a metal shell? Most likely not. I love metal, don't get me wrong. But would I start a podcast? No, probably not.

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It doesn't consume me the way it does these guys. George was about to make a comment too. We cut him off. I really wanted to hear what he was about to say. I don't actually remember now. I haven't shared my two cents on this. I've been sitting back just taking everything you guys have said. I'm torn with this. I want everybody in life to provide for themselves and their family doing something that they love. Yes.

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At the same time though, I think a lot of artists who make it as a career lose the passion and love for doing it when it becomes that routine that pays the bills. Yeah. Every day. What happened to Metallica? Can't wait. Yep. Hey, Buick, I can't wait till we get to the Mastodon news story. When you look at these bands who this does not pay the bills from them,

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And George, we've met a bunch of them. Too many. They are the most down-to-earth, humble. You and I put them on a pedestal, but they're just like you and I. Yep. Well, Joel works on 105, right? Yeah. Yeah, he does. So he's one of them. Joel has a job. When I interviewed Cam, when we talked to Jay, all these artists who we look up to. Dude, fucking Matt Barlow. Yeah, Barlow is a fucking cop. Yep. These guys.

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They have jobs. As a cop, I could see that. I love how passionate they are about the music. Because it's not paying the bills, and they do it just out of the love for it. By extension, that's what we're doing. We're not getting paid to do this. We get nothing from this. Not a dime. Yep, not a cent. If you'd like to send us some money, we'll take it.

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I've been doing this between the podcast and the website for like a decade. I've never seen a dime. You did a whole 365 days of metal where you inconvenienced yourself. Every day for a year I made a video covering an album. Yes. Let me tell you the depth this guy goes to. One of the first bands I was in, Soul Mason, and I know you remember it, this man recorded every song we had for how long did we record?

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I don't know it was a while it was almost a year I would say recorded and this cat just sat there not knowing a dime was not going to come to him yeah he recorded us because he loves metal and I wouldn't say we were metal as much as we were like rock hard rock hard rock yeah we were we were just pushing the cusp of metal you know there's some hard some heavy heavy guitarist you followed us for

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A lot longer than he recorded us. No, but that's what I was saying, is that I would rather the love and the passion to shine through. And I hate saying that. That's selfish to say as a fan. No, no, no. That's what anybody wants. George and I met Landmine Marathon, downtown Frederick. I remember talking to those guys from the band. They didn't even have money to have cable TV in their place. Yeah. Yeah.

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But who needs cable TV? No, I'm just saying. They were living bare bones. Hey, dude, we just played, I mentioned it earlier, a really super kick-ass show in Oakland this week. We played with a band, a super cool doom band called Demon Smoke. Played with another band called Pony from Wisconsin who was on tour. They didn't have a place to sleep that night. Wow. Yeah, they were literally... A lot of them sleep in their vans. A lot of them. I couldn't take them. I heard they had satanic orgies in there. Yeah.

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I mean, a little butt penetration isn't asking too much, right? It's not gay if it happens on tour. That's right. Gas, grass, grass, baby. All right. Well, let's move on to our next slightly more serious moral question. One of our listeners, I don't remember which one it was now, was it Gregory? Gregory, yep. Sent us a tweet about the band Enabler.

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the main guy in that band has been singled out as being not a really nice guy. Apparently his girlfriend used to be in the band and sounds like he was beating her up and who knows what else but essentially being an unsavory character. Basically the listener was like, you know, well I was kind of looking forward to this but now I'm not going to listen to it. I have to agree. I actually just got the promo for the new Enabler album.

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And now I really don't want to listen to it. Yeah. I don't promote beating women in any form or fashion. Hell no. He doesn't promote it, he just does it. Yeah. Well, I guess you could relate it to Danzig. It's more of an underground thing. Yeah, right. Well, fuck the underground then. I guess you could relate it to the Danzig thing with his lighting guy beating the shit out of him. The lighting guy beating the shit out of Danzig.

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I don't know if you saw it. No, I saw Danzig beating up some guy with a camera. We had a perfect example of this story a year ago. As they lay dying. When Tim hired who he thought was somebody to kill his wife. Are you kidding? Do you still support them? No, no, no. I don't support anybody that does that. That's the question that I wanted to pose here. Do we support evil slash bad slash immoral bands?

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No.

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And it honestly, I hate to say it, but it kind of depends on the situation.

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Honestly, you could be the best metal band on the planet. And I would not support you if you were beating your wife.

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I think.

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But there are other things though, too. Like what about Burzum?

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You know what I mean?

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Right, exactly. I was going to go there, you know, with Varg.

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But I also.

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Or Bard from Emperor. Same thing, you know, killed somebody. Or what about, you know.

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Who did he kill though? Well, Varg killed Euronymous, the guitar player from Mayhem. And what was the reason for killing him? The crazy stupid fuck. I mean, was it just a random killing? It was a power play in the Norwegian black metal scene. Oh, Norwegian. Well, that's all you had to say. But, you know, Varg is really kind of the... He's also a Nazi dude. Okay, well, let me just make it clear.

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I mean he's a racist and a nationalist.

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Yeah, he's a nationalist racist.

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Yeah, the idea of...

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Ethan-ist.

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You know, the whole thing.

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And I gotta tell ya, I'll still put on a Berzim record from time to time.

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And that's where I really kinda have to go, hmm.

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Because Berzim really is one of the forerunners of the Norwegian black metal scene, and their

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first couple albums are some of the best black metal albums from that time period.

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And I do own most of the Burzim albums, and particularly the first few on vinyl. But at the same time, I have such a distaste for the man, I don't often listen to it. Yeah, I mean, it's one thing to own them, but to listen to them? Then you're condoning it. Right. I think we all have our own moral standards that we all follow and we choose to. I remember years ago, this is just, I'm just using

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is an example because they're not really a metal band. But we went to an Ozfest, American Head Charge, burned an American flag on stage. To me, anything they did after that instance, they were dead to me. I chose never to listen to them. I feel the same way. They could be releasing the greatest albums out right now and I wouldn't be listening to them. I understand that it's their right as Americans to burn the American flag, but I've also got many relatives that died putting the

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into that flag.

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And it's,

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it's,

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it doesn't make you a protester.

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It makes you an asshole.

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Yeah.

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That's what it does.

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I only wanted to just kind of reduce this all in a notch by saying that there's no way I'm going to stop watching the Cosby show.

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I'm just joking.

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I'm fucking with it.

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Quaaludes.

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Accepted.

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It's a hard,

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you know,

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this is a hard question here.

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Where do you draw the line?

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Where do you draw the line?

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Do you look at it just as like... It's invisible. Do you look at it, George and Jay, like, this is just a point that it's just music? It's just art? I think it's a case-by-case basis. I think with, like, for instance, Burzim is the other big example we're kind of using here. I don't feel like the music really represents his point of view that much. I mean, I think it does, lyrically probably, but... Well, if he's writing the lyrics, it definitely does. I could also just kind of write him off as an idiot. I mean, if it was, like, some American white

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I wouldn't listen to it for a second.

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You know, I mean, but because there is like this whole punk white power movement and I hate that shit.

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But yeah, I don't know.

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It's almost like there's a kind of an interesting socio political kind of like study there as dumb as that sounds.

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Whereas this guy with his girlfriend, it didn't have anything to do with his music.

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The guy who beat his girlfriend and yeah, fuck that guy.

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You know what I mean?

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Like there's a lot of bands I can listen to.

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Fuck you, dude.

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I'm not listening to your fucking music.

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So there are some people, though.

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Jay, I'm sorry to interrupt you.

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There are some people who can disconnect from actions that they do and say, oh, I don't care. Just wherever the music is talking about. What they do in their personal life, I don't care. It's just about the music. I just don't buy that. I disagree. I disagree completely. I'm going to say there are people, though, who can. There are, yeah, but I don't. If you beat your wife offstage, onstage, I don't give two shits about you. Fuck you, you're a wife beater. It's not just the wife beating thing, but I'll throw you up a more complicated. George listens to Mayhem.

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a bunch of black men of bands responsible for church burnings and stuff. Did you take a step back and ever look at that and go? No, because I mean, do I think people should go out and burn churches? No. Was I sad about it? Only a little. And that's only because of the historical significance of those Norwegian churches. But I don't give a shit about churches. So if I'm like, if I was... Well, that's where it comes into being personal. Right. If I didn't care about women, if I,

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If I was a misogynist and I hated women, then I'd be like, ah, man, the neighbor's my band. Right, right. Yeah, there's some people that could look at this stuff and be like, okay, well, he's doing what I want to do, so I'm going to do it. It isn't time to worry about Georgia until we show up and he's wearing a neighbor's shirt. Yeah, don't come in here with a cross or anything. You know what? It's complicated, though, guys, and the reason, I'll just give one example, non-metal example, Phil Spector killed a guy, but that guy,

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They're not going to stop playing his this on the radio. You know what I mean? Sometimes it's not hideously connected to the artistic thing. Or it'd be hard not to play his stuff. I mean, he engineered a lot of stuff. Do you hate him and not listen to anything he did? Or do you enjoy the band that he did it for? That's sort of a step removed. It's not the artist that did something wrong. Correct. All I mean to say is this. I would say this. It's case by case.

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I'm thinking it was so reprehensible and you're like, I'm not giving this guy a dime of my time or money. That's a thing. You know what I mean? But it's kind of like the church burnings thing. That was more like a weird phenomenon. Well, not so phenomenonic. I am free to make up words as an American. Don't worry, I've made up money. We just had that one cat.

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Shoot all those people at the church in North Carolina. South Carolina. South Carolina, yeah. I'm sorry. I try to follow current events. But it's not so much different than that. I mean, burning a church and killing the people that are in it, I mean, that's basically the same thing. That's a bit of a degree worse. Really? You can rebuild a person. Yes, you're right. And maybe I'm wrong, but I'm just saying people are attacking.

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People are attacking

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People are attacking each other

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and it's

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I don't know where I'm going with this. Go ahead

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Moving on

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We're taking the keys away from you, dude. You're not driving

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We're going to get lost

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Moving on

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Alright, we're going to take this back in a not so

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dark direction

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I just wanted to mention that

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a couple weeks ago I had the opportunity

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to check out a show at the cafe 611 here in Frederick Maryland the headliner was crowbar yeah how was that it was a great show and crowbar and battle cross lord dying our boys and yesterday's Saints plus a couple other openers that I did not catch the name of I wanted to go just for crowbar yes well and as a matter of fact it was funny I went in I went to the show by myself and I immediately wandered over to the bar

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I'm like get me a beer give me some chicken tenders get myself all ready to go here and I'm sitting there at the bar waiting for my order and the place is pretty packed given that it were only like on the second band of like seven bands usually you know the places fill up later on but it was pretty packed early and I just happened to be looking over my shoulder and I see this short little guy with a beard walking by and I was like damn it looks like Kirk Wednesday from Crowbar yeah

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I'm just watching him and he's just you know only like gonna be like probably the most recognizable person here this evening and he's just walking around he comes up to the bar gets a beer wanders off I'm texting Buke I'm like Kirk is here he's like go talk to him I'm like oh my pussy he's standing right next to me I can't say it works yeah I was like oh man he's just going to get a beer he doesn't want to be hassled so I'm

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I didn't actually have an opportunity at that point because he was at the other end of the bar and it was packed but after the next band finished I wandered over into the next room which is where they had all the merch and I was talking to I want to say it was Matt at the Yesterday Saints table Matt the singer of Yesterday Saints and when I finished talking to him I turned around and Kirk was at the crowbar table because I think his wife runs the merch table for the band

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And I was like, ooh, ooh, here's my chance. And so I kind of like sidled over close and I was just standing there. Because he was talking to somebody, so I didn't want to interrupt a conversation. And so I'm standing there. And then, you know, he finishes his conversation and the guy leaves. And so I just kind of scoot up a little closer. I'm like, looking at the table. He's standing next to me. And I'm like, hey, buddy. And I was like, got something in my pocket. Would you like to say it? Yeah.

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And a little buke popped up on my shoulder and said, "Say something!" Nice. That's what bukes are good for. I was like, "Hey Kirk, how you doing?" He's like, "Hey good, you know how it's going." And I was like, "Can I shake your hand?" And he's like, "Yeah sure, shake your hand." And I was like, "Can I take a picture with you?" And he's like, "Course!" So I snapped a couple pictures and got to meet Kirk Winstein. So that was a pretty, that was the highlight of that show. Buk and I saw it, was it a super joint ritual show? We've seen him as a bunch of downs. Yeah, downs, downs.

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Yeah. We saw him at quite a few. And actually, one of them, he tripped over the monitor and ate it really hard. Really, really hard. I felt bad for him because he was playing all the way to the ground when his face hit it. And he did a phenomenal job of recovering. But yeah, Phil made sure to announce to the crowd that he did it. In case you missed it. In case you didn't see the guy to the right of me just tripping and eating it, eating the stage.

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That's what happened. And so speaking about texting Buke, I was working this day, and you and I were talking the whole day about your... The next one? Yes. About your experience seeing the Foo Fighters at RFK attempting to. Yeah. I want you to share your wonderful experience. Yeah. We've said a lot of good things about Dave Grohl and the Foo Fighters on this podcast. Great guy. One of the last remaining... Flag bearers. Of rock music in America.

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Yeah.

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Well, I take all that back. Fuck the Foo Fighters.

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No, no, no.

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I disagree completely.

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The dude's rocking a Neve console now.

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I don't even care.

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I don't even care.

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This is all tongue-in-cheek, by the way.

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Just don't take it too seriously.

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I wish you guys could read the text conversation, Georgia.

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It started from happy and not even like a bell curve, like trail off down.

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It was drop off a fucking cliff.

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So this was their worst day of my life. Yeah. So on 4th of July, the Foo Fighters celebrated their 20th anniversary at RFK Stadium in Washington, D.C. They had a huge lineup of bands. The show started at like 1230, I think, one o'clock, something like that. And of course, would go into the evening. And I didn't really care for at least half the bands. There were a few I wanted to see. Joan Jett, you know, I'm a big Joan Jett fan.

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I'm a blues guy like I wanted to see buddy guy and of course the Foo Fighters and I took my wife cuz she's a Foo Fighters fan and shorty trombone I think was another like a note of the New Orleans bands or something she likes them and oh LL Cool J was there and she's a big LL Cool J fan so anyway we get there and we had

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The whole stadium was general admission, and then there was the field. You had to have field tickets to get on the field, but the field people could be in the seats if they wanted to. So we get off to the right side of the stage, partway down, like a decent distance. You can see well. We're like, this is good. The show starts. The sound is fucking horrible. I don't mean just like not good. Well, don't blame the band for that. No, I blame the band because they... Hired the sound?

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I'm sure they had the opportunity as much stuff as they had there they had to have had that shit set up the day before yeah or even earlier in the day they could test it and go wow yeah this is bad this is not like Jack's Empire bad this is the sound was so bad well what if the sound on stage was phenomenal doesn't matter why wasn't on the stage that matters to the band right well if it sounds like shit to everybody else yes you know have you ever like left a show

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early yes and you're leaving and you're out in the parking lot and you can hear the show rumbling through the wall oh yeah that's what it sounded like in the stadium all you heard just bass and bass drum and rumble oh wow with the occasional word that would pop through barely that you couldn't tell what it was yeah it was like we were outside in the parking lot the sound was so bad because the place is so big and it's a bowl it's an echo chamber okay and they only had

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There was a two-hour break because of lightning, which we never saw.

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And so we left after Joan Jett. We missed the majority of the show because we were like... Buk and I sat through a hailstorm at OzFest one year. It was Ozzy was coming on, right? Pantera had just left. No, they were coming. Pantera just got off stage. This thundercloud came in. And it brought almost one inch diameter hail with it. And we're sitting there in hail watching Ozzy Osbourne.

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I mean, I'm going to sit there through most of anything to watch Ozzy Osbourne play, because that's just how I am. In fact, I got wasted before Pantera. I told him two weeks earlier, I'm going to get wasted before Pantera, and then wake up and watch Pantera and Ozzy. We've actually heard that story. Nice. Since we're telling stories, I've got to tell a story. When I went to OzFest in Kansas City, of all places, and it rained really bad, and then people in the

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And I'll never forget, dude. You know, like when you're in high school, there's always that one guy in high school who's got like that walk. And I don't know what it is, but it's some sort of weird fucked up, you know, like scoliosis thing. And he's kind of like, you know what I mean? Like, you know, the walk I'm talking about. And I watched this guy walk all the way around the rim of the seats, like one of the higher kind of things. And I just remember like mentally trying to protect this guy from the fine.

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of grass. I was just like, please don't hit that poor son of a bitch. And to be fair, he made it all the way. That's the drugs and alcohol walk. No, no, no, no. It was some sort of dysfunction the poor bastard had. So it was like watching the guy in a wheelchair go around it. It's just like, please don't hit this guy with grass. And he made it okay. That's it. That's my whole fucking story. I just want to finish that up by just saying, you know, I realize it wasn't probably directly the Foo Fighters fault,

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But being that this was their show, they should have taken a little more responsibility

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for the sound because it's fucking horrible.

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And there was nothing but complaints online.

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Everybody was complaining about the sound.

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Yeah.

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The fucking...

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Yeah, I saw that.

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The fucking toilets ran out of toilet paper in the women's bathrooms.

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They ran out of food.

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The whole thing was a clusterfuck.

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I love Dave Grohl.

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I mean, Foo Fighters, eh, I could take them or leave them.

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But yeah, I agree with you.

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the performer needs to be in charge of the sound. Not necessarily front of house, but at least if they're getting shitty sound on stage, they should know something's going on in the NFL. They should have been checking this. All they had to do was sound check, which I'm sure they did, and have somebody out in the seats going, hey guys, this is horrible. What's he laughing at? Go ahead, guys. It's a private sex joke that Duke and I have gone with. Hey, George, I'll tell you, I actually saw, without even trying,

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I saw a lot of complaints about that show. People saying RFK is the worst fucking place to have a show. I'll never go to another stadium show. There you go. It's horrible. I have actual grasp from when they used to have football games at RFK that I grew and it died. So that tells you. There you go. It's just shit all around. All right. Moving on. There was a listener request asking us what upcoming shows

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We were going to... I know I've got a couple. Does anybody else have any upcoming shows? Well, the April 15th. Or August 15th. Yep, we're going to the barbecue. That's one of them. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, you're going? Yeah, I'm going. Yeah, boy. We're going... I'm getting in the water, by the way. You're going to Lame God? Yeah. Okay. Jay, you going to any shows coming up? I am going to see High and Fire and Paul Bearer. Sweet. Nice. Paul Bearer. Nice. And I'm going to see Mutoid Man. They're coming. And I'm so into those guys.

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I'm gonna go see them so that's oh and you know what did just find out that this car

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or Vascar whatever you pronounce it they're here at the small they're playing where um where my band just

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played and it's just this totally small show they're the opening band I'm gonna go down and check that out

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sweet nice that's it that's all I got local bands for sure I'm where they from go ahead George sorry

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I think you're from New York. Who? Okay. Not New Hampshire. Littleton? Is it Littleton? I'm going to be going to see the Faith No More show at the Maryville Post Pavilion August 2nd, I think it is. Then after that, of course, I'm going to the Guar-B-Q. And I would like to, if I can, squeeze in the High on Fire Pallbearer show right before I leave for Seattle.

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So I'm probably all by myself on that one because it's during the week but

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if I can I'd like to go to that. All there dude. And you know what? I want to go on record. I want to go on record right now.

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And you guys can hold me to it. I'm buying tickets for Death Fest. Which goes nice. Yeah the tickets go on sale Wednesday which will be before you hear this but

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by the time you hear this they will be on sale. Yes. I'll have mine Wednesday so we got to talk beforehand so I know what I'm buying. Yes I

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I'm waiting for them to post the schedule so I know which days I want to go to. Which I don't see here in the news that we have. No. They introduced the final round of the bands. Right. But they haven't done the days yet. But recently they just announced Testament. Oh, nice. Kind of quietly. Testament wasn't like this big. They didn't put it in a huge font. That's how they showed it. They're at the top, though. Paradise Lost. Yeah. Nice. I was so happy for you, George.

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I was like George is pretty good. George is going to love that. Yeah, I think it's a really strong lineup they've got. And Bukes been kind of like me. So I've actually been going through the flyer and all the bands that I know are at least halfway decent. I'm making a little list, a sub list. And I'm going to be like basically trying to convince you between now and then that these are some really cool bands. So there's going to be a whole bunch of convincing Bukes coming up.

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I don't understand why you need to I mean he you're his mentor for the most part yeah from what I should just believe me right exactly right you just say okay these are good bands I'm gonna take my word for it and he's got the right I understand right no I mean you know it's understandable if he doesn't know him he doesn't hey burrito burrito burrito hey uh I'll tell you what Ben I'm excited about hail of bullets man I love those guys yeah hail of bullets yes the singer

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from Asphyx. And not Asphyx. As in Asphyxiate. They make great records. I've never actually heard of those guys. I'll come check that out. All right. Next item. It's taking us forever to get anywhere. I just wanted to mention a book that I picked up recently. It's by Ramon Martos. It's called Injustice for Art. It's a cool, slick, glossy book that talks basically about the origin of a bunch of

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B. It's about time the artists get some introduction.

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It's a really cool book.

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Well, I'll say here though that I didn't know about it until it showed up at the library where I work.

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It's cool. It's a super cool book.

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Yeah, it's a limited run. He only printed like 300 copies.

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Oh, I didn't know that.

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Does it actually have artwork in it?

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Well, yeah, it's, you know, it's like glossy stuff. It's like the picture of the album cover on one page, and then the next page, they, you know, they give all the details, like who painted it, when it was painted, and then just like a little, you know, page or two about the artist talking about, oh, well, this is what I thought of when I did this. That's awesome. I mean, because we're all artists coming together, right? I mean, it's just really interesting to know these backstories for some of the album covers, and you're like, whoa.

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And you know,

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sometimes there's stuff where an artist did an album cover for one band,

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and you're like, oh, I totally know that album cover.

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And then it turns out that they did an album cover for another band,

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but you never would have guessed that that was them.

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Right, yeah.

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And you're absolutely right.

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I mean, I've actually gone to seek artists for album covers.

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For album covers.

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and there are a lot of artists that I've actually gone to get album covers from have already done album covers for other bands. So you're expecting to be like explain like okay this is what I need and they're like oh yeah you're a metal band okay I gotcha. I mean listen to your album I'll figure something out. My example here is the Rainbow Rising album art which is Buke just fucking loves that album. The artist that did

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The Rainbow Rising album artwork is a guy named Ken Kelly and he did these right here on either side of me. He did the Man O War, you know, faceless warrior stranger guys. He did the Fighting the World and the Kings of Metal, Triumph of Steel. He did all of this stuff. He's actually a well-known artist. Yeah, I would have never known that this is the guy that did Rainbow Rising. Other than for reading this book. Other than reading this book, yeah. So it's a really cool book.

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What's the title? It's called "And Justice for Art" by Ramon Martos. There you go. Go read that book. I mean, if you want to know anything about the artists that do the covers for the albums that you rock out to, check that out. It's awesome. Hell yeah. Alright, so somebody sent me a YouTube video about a week ago and I wanted to share. If you guys ever heard about this band called Max Sabbath?

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Yeah, my bass player kept telling me about it. He's posted it on his Facebook page. But continue, George. So I have seen it. It's a band that dress up in McDonald's characters. So the singer dressed like Ronald McDonald, the guitar player is Mayor McCheese, the bass player is Grimace, and the drummer is the Hamburglar. That's awesome. But they all have something strange about them. The Mayor McCheese guy has tusks.

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So it's like a slipknot on gayroids. I don't know what it is, but it's really strange and it's pretty funny and amusing. So if you want to check it out, just go on YouTube and look up Mac Sabbath. Absolutely. It's funny stuff. It's good for a laugh. You can tell they're just playing some bowling alley in the show or something. It's hilarious.

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that we're interviewing and or featuring. But I'm going to play you an extra special song here because this is from a friend of mine in Korea. This is my friend Sung Soo and his band Harry Big Button. They're a hard rock band from Korea. They're pretty badass and they've got a hell of a lot of fans over there that seem to really dig them. Every time I feature anything by them, our shit blows up. These guys are awesome. You just showed me them earlier, right? Yeah. Yeah, they're phenomenal.

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So, you know, Sung Soo sent me their new song called Social Network from their album that will be coming out later this year or early next year. And he actually told me that I was going to be the first person outside of Korea to hear this song, which I felt was quite an honor. Awesome. And now I asked him if I could share this with all of you, and he said I could. So here's the song Social Network from Harry Big Button.

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Je veux que je veux, je veux que je veux.

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4

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Maxx

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I wanna take your everything

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I wanna know, don't wanna know, don't wanna know

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You may have been missing the podcast for a couple of weeks and that's because

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We've just been very busy, and I've been out of town. I was on vacation to Myrtle Beach for a week. My wife likes to go to the beach and hang out. For me, that's an opportunity to sit on the beach, watch the waves, and commune with metal. I remember a couple years ago, this is when you got hooked on November's Doom. Yes, that's right. That's a good pull there. Also playing at Death Fest. Yes. Now it's sort of a ritual with me. Every time I go to the beach,

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I load up on new music that I want to listen to to try and really focus on some stuff and find some new bands that I like and I went a little overboard this year ton of bands that I downloaded onto my phone and listen to and there's a huge list that I just want to run through kind of quickly some of them I already mentioned during our you know our list discussion earlier stuff like Wild Run and stuff like that and I'm just gonna run through this kind of quickly but these are some bands that you should probably

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check out. Everybody have their pens and pencils ready because you're going to want to write these down. These are actually in alphabetical order. You who purist. Nah, it was just easier that way because I was going through my phone to write them down. All right. First up is a band called Amiensus, A-M-I-E-N-S-U-S, and their album Ascension. They're an American progressive black metal band. This is their second album. I heard their first album on Bandcamp a couple years ago.

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I dug it, I downloaded it. I saw this new one was out. I downloaded it. You know John's going to go through and listen to every one of these bands. It better be good. Yeah, it's pretty good. It's black metal, but it's very progressive. There's a lot of clean vocals and stuff. Next one is a band that I've heard of before, and it was just recently that I finally sat down and listened to them. It's a band called Bastard Sapling, and their second album called Instinct is Forever. They're from Richmond, and this is actually a black metal album that came out last year.

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So check these guys out. From Richmond. From Richmond, Virginia. Nice. Next one is a band called Blaze of Perdition. In their album Near Death Experience. This is the third album from a Polish black metal band. It's pretty good. Check it out. Next one up is Blood Moon Collective and Limitless Complex. This is the second EP from an Ontario progressive death band. I've been digging that one a lot. Next up is a band called Endless Shade. Wolf Will Swallow the Sun. It's the first album from

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a Ukrainian blackened death doom band nice it's pretty cool I think Buquin and

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everybody else would like this one next up this one really surprised me is a band called inner sanctum and

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legions awake this is the first album from a Bangalore India death metal band wow and I was I was blown away by how fucking incredible the sound is on this album it's just probably one of the top album again you mean again uh inner sanctum do they do they

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Who They Recorded With? I'd have to look. It's probably on their Bandcamp page. Okay. Check that out. It's a really good album. I highly recommend it. India is the next Brazil for metal. No joke. That's happening. Totally. Yeah. All right. The next one is for Will. It's this Irreversible Mechanism. Infinite Fields. It's a Belarus band. Their first album of technical death metal. It's that like super technical crazy shit. It's good stuff. Check it out.

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This next one, I can't pronounce the band's name or the album, but I'm going to give it a shot. The band is called Can Seal. It's K-A-N-S-E-I-L. And their album, Doin Earde. D-O-I-N-E-A-R-D-E. It's an Italian folk metal band. Somebody's driving right now being like, fuck. Yeah, just make sure the spelling is correct. It's their first album. It's fucking, it's folk metal.

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It's weird that it's Italian because they have bagpipes which as soon as you have bagpipes you got me this next one I have just lost my mind over it I've been telling Buick and Jay about it thus far I don't know that they've listened to it or if they have what they think but this is like possibly my number two album now it's a band called Chemis K H E M M I S this is a good one and their album Absolution it's their first album from this Colorado doom band yeah it's like go ahead

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It's clean vocals with the occasional harsh vocals. I think John will really like this one. That's what I like about it. You get the clean singing. I've always liked that. That's what I like about Opeth so much. Michael Akerfeld goes from clean to hard. If you can do that, not many singers can pull off screaming their brains out and then go into a

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I'm very proud to say George that that was one I found probably about the same time as you just because I always go through a bunch of stuff I go through Bandcamp and whatnot but on iTunes that was one of the featured new releases so you know I always push play on stuff and I bought that right away and then unfortunately we got a demo shortly thereafter yeah I was waiting for it because I wanted to get the flack file and it's just fucking badass I fucking love that album the next one is one that was

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It was recommended to us by Gregory W.J. Kelly. And it's a band that I'd heard of before, but I revisited them after his recommendation. It's a band called Mare Infinitum, and their second album of Russian Death Doom, Alien Monolith God. Nice. This is a pretty interesting album. It's like Death Doom in a way, but then there's some like... Black? There's clean vocals that aren't really like typical Death Doom clean vocals. It's a little more

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I guess and it's very good definitely check it out this next one is a band from Australia it's a one-man band they're called Midnight Odyssey and this is the I think it's the second album called Shards of Silver Fade this fucking album is two hours and 22 minutes long you know eight songs and like most of them are like 14 to 20 minutes long and this cat wrote everything and record everything himself wow I had high hopes

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for this one. I think it's cool, but be prepared to sit through a lot of keyboards. Instrumental. Like, there's a lot of instrumental keyboard, sort of new-agey kind of stuff, but it's worth a listen. It is a very... How many songs? Eight songs. Eight songs in two hours. That's... All right, this next one. We're past halfway now. This next one... Yes, I'm sorry. Can you type... Past halfway. Can you type these up and put them on the Facebook? Yeah, definitely. Sure, sure.

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It's already typed up here.

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All right, this next one is a Polish black metal band and their first album.

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This is the band Utre, which is spelled O-U-T-R-E, and it's their album Ghost Chants.

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It's black metal, but it's interesting.

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I don't even know what to say.

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You should just listen to it.

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Where are these guys from?

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They're from Poland.

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Poland?

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Yep.

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Nice.

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Next up is a band that I've heard of plenty of times before.

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It just happens to be they have a new album. This is another of the revolting Raga Johansson one-man Swedish death scene revolting Visages of the Unspeakable. This is their fifth album. This guy, like I said, he's a one-man Swedish death metal scene. He's in a bunch of bands. But he rocks. He does. And, you know, it's more of the same. It's nothing groundbreaking, but it's good Swedish death metal. I think Puk probably would dig it. I loved all that.

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Third World. Third World. They're better off than we are. Yeah, really, right? This next one comes to us courtesy of one of the guys from Demon Scribblers. This one's a band called Rings of Saturn and their album Luol Kien. They're a California technical deathcore band. This is their third album. This album, we were talking about it on Twitter, it's pretty fucking crazy. It's technical stuff, but

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It's kind of interesting. You know. Dream theater type? No. I mean, it's very death. Huh. It's pretty wanky, but it's worth checking out. Particularly if you like that sort of thing. From California. From California. Nice. Nice. This next one is a band that's also on the A389 Baltimore label that has Noisem and Ilsa and some other of their ilk. This is a band called Seven Sisters of Sleep. And they're 2013.

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Second album Opium Morals. Oh, from Baltimore. They're from L.A., but the label's from Baltimore. Okay, okay. Yeah, it's a sludge album. It was kind of cool. All right, we're in the home stretch. Only a couple more. So you would think from this list, George's vacation was seven months long. Yeah. This is what he comes up with in a night. All right, next one's a band called Tulsa Doom, Storms of the Netherworld. It's an Austrian black and thrash band. It's their second album. I dig it. Check it out on

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Most of the stuff you can find on Bandcamp. That's probably where I found it. Nope. Nope. George dropped a hundred bucks on music before you left. All right. This next one I actually heard about. It was on the list of Nine Circles' brother Corey. It's a band called Valborg. Oh, yeah. And their album Romantic with a K. It's the fifth album from this German progressive Death Doom band. It's really kind of cool and chill, but it's Death Doom. So check that out.

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Two more. Second to last is Valkyrie and their third album, Shadows. These guys are a doom metal band from Virginia. We'll be seeing them at the barbecue. Did you say doom? They are doom, yeah. What else would it be? It's clean vocals and heavy. Not really. It's a great album. They're at the doom festival, aren't they? At the barbecue. That's what I meant, people. And finally, the last one on my extensive list of

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Bands that you should check out. I can't pronounce this band either. It's Zato Krev. Z-A-T-O-K-R-E-V. I'm just making this shit up now, man. It's a Swiss band and their fourth album of Death Doom Sludge called Silk Spiders Underwater. Did you get all that? There you go. If you listen to this podcast and you still don't have shit to listen to,

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There are 25 of them. I cannot wait to see the Spotify playlist from this motherfucker. If nothing else, there are some seriously creative names involved here. If you don't tweet us and have a new album you're listening to, you haven't been listening. And George, please, you hit me with so much. Fucking please put this on Facebook or something. Yeah, I'll send this list out. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, post this list. All right. I think it is finally time to get into our interview with Joel V.

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Violet of Thrasenblatt. That's the way I'm going to say it from now on. Yeah, this guy's beyond awesome. Yeah, he was. It was a great interview. We had a blast. Thank you so much, Joel, for coming on. Hopefully, maybe we can get you back on again when the new album does actually drop, because we'd love to talk to you again. Hell yeah. So without further ado, here is Joel Violet from Thrasenblatt. Go Canada.

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This week's me, John Man!

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This week's me, John Man!

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Hello and welcome to the Metal Heads Podcast. My name is George.

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This is Buke. This is Jay.

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And we are here today with Joel Violette from Thrasenblatt.

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How you doing today, Joel?

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Oh, just great. How are you guys doing? We are doing well. It is hot as hell here today. What's it like up there? Where are you guys anyway? We are in Maryland. And I'm in San Francisco. And it's actually hot here today, too. I didn't check it, but it's got to be upper 90s already. Oh, man, we got to do the conversion, don't we? What's it? Oh, yeah. Minus nine, number five. What's that? It's half it and minus 30. I swear to God, I learned that in Ireland. So what is it? 90. So minus is 45, minus 30. It's 15.

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15 degrees for you. Jeez. How's that math? Right on. 15 degrees? Or Celsius, right? Well, I think it's about 17 Celsius right now and it's cold. I nailed it. I wish I was there. Aside from the fact that you probably live in one of the most beautiful places around, my parents were up there and they went through there on their way to Nova Scotia. They took all kinds of pictures and I'm like, I'm trying to convince my wife we've got to go up there. It's a gorgeous part of the continent. And it's a, yeah.

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Joe, where in Canada exactly? In Fredericton, New Brunswick, right above Maine, for anybody who knows is based on the U.S. states for their geography. It's between Maine and Nova Scotia. Yep. Right on. All right, well, we are super stoked to have you. I can't believe I said stoked. We are super excited to have you here today, Joe. I'm glad you said it, because that's a pretty good Canadian word. All right, man. Well, I'm going to throw in some A's. Yep.

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Get some toques on and I'll have to reference my strange brew days for all the humorous Canadian terms. I'll say a boot. Got that one from South Park. We've got in Canada, I mean, that's the boot thing is kind of like the Ontario accent. And out here on the on the East Coast, it's more of an a boat thing. A boat. I knew it. I wanted a chance to get in there. That's awesome, man. I was actually I was in the States for a little while. I went to school down there for

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One of the classes we had to take part of the degree was a speech communications class. One of the things was to do a speech and to teach somebody something. So I taught everyone how to speak Canadian. George, do you have your English to Canadian dictionary over there, by the way? We're going to need that. At least he's not from Montreal, because then he'd be thinking he's better than all of us. Ouch. I was just going to say, I had a speech class where we had to teach people how to do things.

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And mine was, I taught people how to play a record backwards. Oh, right on. So basically, you signed them all on to the cause of Satan. Yeah, this was in like 1988, somewhere around there. So it was like before vinyl died out the first time, and I brought it in. I actually played Def Leppard's Hysteria, because it had a very, the most unevil record ever, but it did have a really prominent backwards message on Gods of War.

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What was it? If you play it backwards, it says we've been fighting with the gods of war. Oh, man. And that's why he lost his arm, because you played that song backwards. He already had his own mosque by then. Anyway, I guess we should get into this. So we know you have a new album coming out soon, Throssenblatt 3, Metathonia. Would you like to tell us a little bit about what's going on with that?

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Yeah, well, I'd love to know when we're going to be seeing it too. No, it's, the album's, basically, it's probably 99.9% complete. And we've got, yeah, I think there's probably, oh, I don't know, a couple vocal parts left to do. But that's really the tail end of it, especially with the process that we have is pretty, it's not all that conventional. So it ends up being, different parts happen at different times. And so right now, what we're, we've got,

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Well, we've got all the drums done, all the cellos done, all the guitars, all the bass, and most of the vocals. And what we do, basically, since we're all in different parts of, well, the continent, we all do our parts in our respective studios and then send it all over to the sort of headquarters of the album, which ends up being Siegfried Meyer at Beach Road Studios who puts it all together. And so he, of course, is, you know, as busy as the rest of us.

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four things he's working on right now so he's kind of squeezing it in when he can so that's sort of uh it's nice because it's extended the process just a little bit just long enough to kind of mull it over enough to see bits that you don't like and then fix them joel i want to kind of jump in here real quick and just tell you that you know that you may piece it together and i and a lot of people do that in the you know in this internet world but i gotta tell you man this sound quality in your stuff pretty top-notch dude for thank you piecing them together like that sounds really good thank you appreciate it so you're a new bronzo

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And I know Brendan's out of Boston. Is Ray there too? Ray was in Boston for a bit, but she's been in Chicago for the last couple years. I was wondering about that because I noticed that her band Immortal Bird is listed as coming out of Chicago. Yes, yeah. So that's her main thing there. They just put out a new album like two days ago. Yeah, we just got that. We were talking about it the other day. I must have missed that they were connected. I'm sorry. I didn't know that. I got to tell you, that record's awesome. It's so good. Yeah, I've been listening to Brendan's band too.

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I just discovered them a few weeks ago and wow that's pretty awesome too. Yeah it's it's I'm I'm you know I don't know what word to use here bless is one of them to be you know be able to work with you know such fantastic musicians you know because Ray and Brendan both have their you know in their own right are doing pretty amazing things and to add let them add their own touches to this stuff is it's quite a yeah it's quite a quite a thing to have in one's pocket so it's it's great. So go ahead

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Well, just that, you know, kind of since we're starting out here, we're just getting started this interview, I really want to know, I got to tell you one thing that comes across about your stuff to me is just, and I hope this isn't a bad word, but it's super authentic. And I got to know, like, what influenced you? How did you kind of start out on this kind of music, this particular subgenre? And I mean, like, seriously, man, it sounds to me like this is coming out of Europe, you know, and that's, and that's like a compliment to me. So that's not, I don't think I could think of a better compliment.

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So, you know, tell us about your path up to this a little bit, if you can. Sure. Yeah, well, and I'm sure my explanation here will probably tell you why it's such a big compliment. I mean, I started out listening to this stuff, you know, of course, you know, Emperor and all the fantastic, you know, Scandinavian bands. And, well, the path to, I mean, getting the stuff actually made was, of course, a pretty interesting one.

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And basically, I started out listening to a bunch of European stuff. And that's the stuff that really has always resonated with me. It's just really genuine and it has that sort of rawness of landscapes and that sort of thing. And then I heard this album from Woods of Ypres, Pursuit of the Sun and the Lure of the Earth, coming out of Canada. And so I bought that on mail order from Dave Gold. And so I got that from him in the mail.

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a demo CD of my own. And so we were back and forth, kind of, you know, emails and that sort of thing. I probably, I think that was 2005 when that was going. Anyway, so kind of a few years later, I'd send him a couple more. And then I did one demo that put Dave over the edge that ended up being Black Sky. And he's like, Joel, how would you like me to drum for you on an album? And to me, that was just like, you know, it's like, you know, Dave Grohl asking you to join the Foo Fighters, you know?

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Yeah, that's great. And so, of course, I did it. And it was cool because the stuff that I was doing was really folky and really, it was, yeah, and it had lots of good melodies and stuff. And Dave added this, like, ferocity to it with the drums. And it was, it kind of just solidified the whole thing. Like, when I heard it all,

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kind of his drum parts, like drumming along to these demos. Yeah, it was just this, I guess, sound sort of solidified. All this kind of, these folky, some of the riffs, you know, if I were to critique some of my own riffs, some of them are a little bit too nice sometimes maybe. And then Dave's drums just turn them into these like beasts. And so it ends up being sort of a combination.

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of the folkiness and the sort of getting, I guess, the atmosphere and the sort of landscape. Yeah, that sort of aspect to it all. And then having it in this really brutal kind of aggressive medium. And they're just full of sort of energy. And that's, I guess, yeah, I think that answers the question. No, it really does. I did want to tell you, there's a lot of stuff you guys remind me of, but there's a record that you kind of remind me of in particular.

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and I always hear it in little bits of your, especially the Thrust and Blood stuff. Do you know a band called Nordavand? They had like one record a while ago. Do you know them, George? I've heard of them, yeah. Yeah, well anyway, if you haven't heard that record, you might check it out. Very, very sounds like one of your roots records to me. Nordavand. I can't remember the name of the band. I can't remember the name of the album, to be perfectly honest, but anyway. You know, I think it's funny, Jay, that you said that it sounds European to you because to me, it actually sounds very much Canadian. Right.

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that on Woods of V-Pray.

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Right on.

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Like, Thrasenblatt and Woods of V-Pray are like my two favorite Canadian bands,

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to be perfectly honest.

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And both of these bands have a very, you know, a black metal sound, but also, like, particularly

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with Thrasenblatt, you have that, like, sort of maritime folk element.

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Mm.

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Right on.

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Right on.

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Which really separates it from, like, the Scandinavian stuff for me.

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I mean, they have, obviously there's folk metal over there, but. Like I said yesterday, the band that shines through the most that, you know, and they're, they're not the same band, of course, but like I said yesterday, Winterfelleth, that, that English folk sound. Oh yeah. Kind of shines through. Yeah. Yeah. I'm a big fan of that, of theirs. They do some great stuff. Um, one, one thought that just occurred to me when you guys are talking about, uh, sort of the, the maritime folk element of it. Um, so when you're listening, you know, to, to bands like Finchroll and, you know, uh,

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or Vindir, however you want to pronounce that one. You press play and it hauls you right over there to Finland and to Norway and all this sort of thing. It was neat because there was nothing like that, at least for me, obviously for the Maritimes. What I kind of wanted to do was to create that sort of thing for Eastern Canada and that Maritime sound. People pressing play in Finland getting hauled over here if I could.

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Yeah, it totally does that for me. That's cool. That's really cool. Going with that, Joel, you know, trying to think off the top of my head, there's not a lot of bands I can think of here in North America that do this genre of music well. Yeah, I agree. A lot of them, you know, we just mentioned a bunch of them overseas. Was this something, again, you're mentioning what bands you grew up listening to. What made you actually take that step to start playing this that a lot of bands here, you know,

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Stateside and up in Canada aren't playing. Was this your first, I guess the question is, was this your first genre you started dabbling in? How did you evolve to this sound? Yes, exactly. Thank you for being smarter than me, George. Well, it's cool because this stuff was just, it just kind of, I just started writing riffs and that sort of thing. And those are the things that I just, you know, when you're jamming around on the guitar, you play stuff that you like.

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And so a lot of these riffs just kind of poured out of me. And the first one I ever, the first song I ever like wrote, wrote, well, I mean, I guess that I can remember at least, was what ended up being Misted Shores off of the first one. And yeah, and so it just ended up being these really folky riffs that I really liked that just kind of just, you know, it was just writing songs and, and I just ended up being the, you know, the genre that I was in.

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I enjoyed working in or however you want to put it. Any reason why you think this genre hasn't really done so well over here or you don't see a lot of bands doing it? I don't know. It's funny because the Maritimes, I think, there are probably a million people in Atlanta, Canada. Maybe a million and a half, something like that. Under two million for sure. The point I'm trying to make is that the population of the Maritimes is smaller than

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Toronto. And so it's a little more, it's tough to get a big kind of scene in any sort of, at least in metal, something that has such a small percentage of people who are into it. I tell you, if it wasn't this age of band camp and Facebook we live in, God, the odds would be stacked against you guys to even break out and make a name for yourself, period. Go ahead. No, no, go for it. I was just agreeing.

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I just think just to kind of support my own case I think there's a European sensibility to it too I mean and I totally hear the Canadian thing but I think that's part of it you know what I mean like I I don't know it's everything just from the way we're brought up to the kind of values we live with I think that's one of the reasons hasn't really taken root here and I couldn't tell you what that magic x factor is though which is really one of the reasons I feel like sort of praising your stuff so much you know you've got a kind of emotional and connection to that that that I don't think a lot of people

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can pull off here. I don't know why. I agree with you. It'd be pretty lame if somebody from Atlanta, Georgia was like writing about the mountains of, you know, and the trees and everything, you know, the northern cold, you know, and like, yeah, that'd be pretty lame. So you're right. Yeah, that's true. We can sing a lot of songs about the traffic here in the DC metro area. Yeah. So they're all punk songs. Yeah. Fugazi. Yeah. I guess I was just kind of lucky enough to, to, you know, pop into existence in a, in a, such a beautiful place with, uh, such a rich, you know,

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kind of folk heritage and stuff. But it's neat that you mentioned the South because you guys have listened to Panopticon, of course. Yeah, sure. Yeah, so Austin's doing something with the Southern sort of folk thing. And so that's really neat too. Yeah, he's got that bluegrass thing going on. Yeah, yeah. Austin's done some pretty cool stuff. And so, yeah, I don't know. It's one of those things that you guys are talking about sort of like the, I don't know, the genuine or some sort of thing.

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you know some sort of authenticity to it or whatever. It just ends up being that I just sort of, I just love the stuff that, you know, I just love the songs, I guess. It's just one of those things that I put a lot into them. And yeah, I don't know. I feel like there's so many aspects to, you know, music or, you know, being a musician or being in metal. And, you know, some people are, I don't know, I guess, I don't know. There's some bands that are really good. They just pour out

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everything in a live performance.

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But maybe, I don't know how to put it, but maybe, I guess they put a lot of energy more into the performance than actually, where am I going with this? It's sort of a thing where.

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No, it's, they worry about trying to dazzle the fans up on stage.

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Thank you.

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But their work in the studio, you know, it sounds like, was this record on a high school,

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four-track.

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Yeah.

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I think maybe that's the thing.

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I put a lot of time into the actual songs themselves.

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Because that, to me, is what's important to me.

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That just leads me to one question that quickly hit me here.

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I know George has a whole list of questions.

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And he's like, phew, shut up.

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In this genre, and Jay hit on it earlier,

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your guys' quality of sound and recording sounds out of this world.

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What is your thoughts about those bands that kind of stick with that early black metal sound where it's the raw, it sounds dirty, guttural, it sounds cheap? The old Dark Throne sound. Exactly. Because that, to me, I don't like. Well, I think whatever medium the song or the album has, if the thing that the artist is trying to put into the song is able to get conveyed through it to the listener, then if that works for the song,

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then it's all good.

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But if, you know what I mean?

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Some songs just wouldn't work that way.

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And some songs can only work that way.

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Hey, I call it innovation, man.

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I mean, honestly, it's sort of pushing it into new realms.

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And to change up some of the more traditional ways of producing it.

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And I couldn't be more sincere.

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I really think that's good.

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You may single-handedly pull us into a new era here.

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It's a big statement, I realize.

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But hey, man, I got to ask you a question just a while before we get to George.

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because George is going to roll on you for a while being here. But I love the introduction to Life Lore Revelation. It's just like a wonderful vaudeville weird thing. I got to know why you did that, how it came about. Well, I love that you ask that because it actually has kind of a neat story. So I was just, it was actually, where were we? I think it was in 2010 maybe or 2011. It was actually right before one of the Woods tours. This is when Dave and I were playing the second Thrasymod album.

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We were doing wood stuff, but we were kind of, you know, it's on the back burner, so we had chats about it. I was sitting, like, we were having coffee, breakfast or something, and I just went over to the piano and just started, like, jamming that riff. It actually had been, the stuff that comes later in the song was written first, so I was just kind of jamming on the piano. And Dave, like, looked up from his coffee and was like, hey, what's that? I was just like, oh, just a riff I've been working on for Thrust and Blythe 2. And he's like, okay, that's the intro. I was like, what? He's like, yeah,

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Yeah, that's spooky as fuck. It's beautiful. I take this with a grain of salt, you know, because it's not a sense of humor thing necessarily, but to me it seems like you're watching some sort of old silent film and then the whole world just goes to hell shortly thereafter. It's really great, man. I love it. It's really good. That's good. I mean, it's funny because I think I remember a few of you kind of, you know, fired on that little intro pretty heavy and just like, you know, took it right down and I was like, gee, I'm feeling pretty bad about it. Jeez. It's great. I thought I was listening to the wrong.

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album you know there's all this piano

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cool yeah i thought it was a good way to kind of uh you know set the set you know this thing's

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gonna be folky so listen up and then all of a sudden everything else comes in just and just you know

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smashes it wide open so that's perfect man it's very cool very cool touch george come on man let's get

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to some of the questions on your list here all right i'm gonna bring it back to the new album again

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remember the new album like 20 minutes ago yeah i think yeah yeah yeah um anyway so is the

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Is the new album going to be a concept album like the last album or is this going to be more like the first album? It's going to be a concept album for sure. Sweet. So the last album actually was more of a concept album on, so Joseph Campbell's Here With A Thousand Faces, that whole, the monomyth. Yeah, so I actually, the album itself ends up being structured like the monomyth, which is kind of neat. But this one, there's no sort of, you know, the monomyth isn't featured in it, but it's

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Definitely, probably even tighter of a concept than the last one. Yeah, so I suppose you'll probably

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want to know what that concept is. That's up to you if you want to put that out there yet.

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No, it's good. So the, let me just find the little definition I made for the album title.

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Sure.

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You'll probably hear me tapping away here.

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It's about Canada beating USA again in hockey.

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Okay, so of course,

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Metathonia is cool because I googled it before I made the,

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you know, title of the album that,

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to make sure that it hadn't been used,

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well, at least in any weird way, so whatever,

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but it turns out it hadn't been used.

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And it's just, you know,

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putting a Greek prefix onto a Greek word.

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So basically how I came to it was, and this ends up being sort of the concept of the entire album, it's sort of, okay, so in the little definition I gave, it's like metakhthonia is the epoch after the age of the earth, and so meta means after, and khthonia, or ahthonia, however you want to pronounce it, you know, it's sort of, you know, of the earth, that sort of thing.

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And so that is kind of trying to, I just was trying to find a word to describe like now, like this modern kind of way we're living. Not in any good or bad, with any of those connotations, just sort of a neat way to describe it without having to use 10 words. So it ends up just referring to how, say 500 years ago, we kind of lived not at the mercy of, but just sort of,

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You know when it rained you know we got wet when it got cold we got cold that sort of thing so we're kind of you know the age of the earth kind of thing up until you know about say 100 years ago or whenever when you know we got electricity and it could be we could have light 24 hours a day that sort of thing anyway just referring to now when we're sort of these I guess you know hunter gatherers really kind of living in this really in this electric age where you know get screens everywhere and light all the time and you know sitting at desks and like just sort of

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We're like Neanderthals living in a really nice hotel. Yeah, that sort of thing. So just sort of a way to describe that whole little spiel I just went on in a word, if I could, to be able to kind of talk about it. God, I wish I could be that fucking smart, Joel. It's not smart. It's just frigging taking two years to pound your head on a desk. But you know what? Hey, you can't be that smart, though. So that's good that you realize that. Exactly.

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of album names you had on paper that were scratched out. You went back, no, this and that. The eternal struggle you had with yourself. Dark Side of the Moon? No, no, no, no. Power Slave? No, no, no, no. And then at the point you start writing on the walls, you're like, that's it! There's a room filled up with metathonia written on every stretch of the walls. That's great. Well, it was between the Greek version, or there's actually,

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Latin and Greek they end up having a lot of prefixes that like correspond and so the the Latin version of that would be something like post-Terrania or something like that and I thought metakthonia sounded better yeah so yeah I guess it was uh yeah so that's kind of the concept it talks about that concept like you know us being here now in this sort of how we are and I guess trying to find

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I mean the 10 cent version is you know finding you know not meaning but like you know finding stuff to enjoy in it you know being these sort of yeah I guess that's it sort of like 10 cent but yeah just sort of the things that that we can sort of connect to and kind of that I don't kind of kind of enhance us or you know or make us just you know make us feel good you know because for me at least staring at a computer screen for 10 hours a

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doesn't make me feel very good. Whereas, you know, for example, running around. If I'm killing kids on Call of Duty, it makes me feel pretty good, Joel. That can be one of them, then, you know. But, you know, for example, one of the things I like doing is, you know, trail running, that sort of thing. That makes me feel good. And just sort of, anyway, so it kind of explores each song as sort of a thing that we have.

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It's a thing where I guess I'd gotten really tired of the sort of like

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whatever routine I'd kind of gotten into that was

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I kind of felt a little bit burnt out from

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doing the sort of electronic thing

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10 hours a day on the screen and that sort of thing. And I was trying to find

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ways to kind of enhance sort of how

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my existence and that sort of thing. And there's sort of a few things that we can kind of connect to that make us feel human in this electric age kind of thing. Not to cheapen your whole answer there, but I kept, and I mean that was beautiful, Joe, by the way. You should come and live with me. Yeah, thank you for sharing all that. But I kept wanting that to sort of slightly at the end go towards, and that's why I realized that man is the ultimate prey and I spend my time hunting people in the park.

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It almost makes your album cover. It kind of makes sense. Yeah, it's a great explanation. It does. I also wanted to ask about the style of the music on the new album. Is it going to continue in the black metal vein with the folk elements? Or, you know, is it evolving? Rock screams. Is it evolving into something else? Well, I was thinking of doing a polka record, but I went with the black metal. Weird Al may come after you then. He's got a guest spot. If Weird Al did a polka medley of Thrasenblatt, I'd be fucking sad.

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Yeah, I would too.

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So it ends up being...

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Okay, so I did a little poll or a little question on the Thrasenblatt Facebook page.

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What to you is the most Thrasenblatt song?

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And I'll just take a little offshoot here for a second and say how amazing all the fans are.

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Thrasenblatt has the best fans in the world.

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We always have creative responses.

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And just the coolest, people just say the coolest things. It could be, you know, I love the music that we're doing, but just being able to connect with people, such fantastic people, is such an amazing thing, too. That's great. So anyway, this poll I did, what's the most Thrasenblatt song to you? And I think it ended up being not too dissimilar from the question, what's your favorite Thrasenblatt song? But the top six of them, I think, or the top few, ended up being of,

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all whatever number it was were the same song structure. So for example, Black Sky, Once Fire Veined, Vast Land. So all these ones, they had a start, they kind of had two halves to them. The first half of the song was kind of a contained unit and then it moved on to like a second place where the song was and it didn't come back to the first one. And so all the ones, for example, Life Law Revelation, that one kind of is a kind of a round one where it kind of,

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starts one place, goes somewhere else, and then comes back. So these ones, everyone's sort of favorites, ended up being these kind of two-parters that started in one place and kind of evolved into something different. So I thought about it. So for this album, what we have is six songs, and each one of them is, instead of being two-parters that kind of go from one place to another, they end up being three-parters. So they go one place, go to another place, and then end up in the third place.

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So they're between nine and five minutes long each. That's awesome. Is there a formula you follow when you write, Joel? Hush. Formulas. I like the, you know, it's a fun thing to do to put constraints on your process and to kind of make things fit into the constraints that you set. Set in place for yourself. Yeah. And I find that when you have like a place within which you're working, that's when you can really get creative instead of,

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Anyway, and so with the songs, basically the only formula was, you know, once, is this feel like a self-contained section? If yes, great. Transition to the next bit, whatever that ends up being. And then, you know, once I had three sections that I felt good and the whole thing felt as a unit, then that's the song. Wow, you guys should have like a little chart. I was thinking that. I was picturing a flow chart.

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Where it's like, if this, then this, else this. Is the hair on my arm is now standing up. Yes, it is. So hearing you talk so far, one of the things that stands out is the fan reception and the fans really seem to attach on to that first Canada EP, sorry, that demo you guys did. It seems like that's a fan favorite. You've mentioned a bunch of tracks off that so far. That's cool, yeah. I love that album.

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And it's just, I think it's because it's, the second album was, so the first one was sort of, all right, I'm going to get a little bit of, not wordplay, but it's going to, anyway, the first album was folk and black metal, whereas I think the second album was more black and folk metal, if that makes any sense to you guys. It does. And so this album, I wanted to go back to more. You can set the fucking internet message boards on fire with kids going back and forth talking about that. Yeah. Well, you know, if it's, if it's folk and black, then it's,

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It's black metal with a folk twinge, but if it's black and folk, then it's folk metal with a black twinge. It makes sense to me. That's exactly it. And so this one, I think partially because of how much people really liked the first one, I wanted to go back to have a black metal canvas and folk textures on it, that sort of thing. When you say folk and black too with a Canadian accent, I wasn't sure what you were saying there, but I got it now. I thought it was dirty for me.

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Fulkin! No, it's not Scottish. Fulkin Black! Sorry, sorry, you're right, that's Scottish. That's great. So I'm guessing based on some of the things you've already stated that you don't have a release date yet, but do you have like sort of a goal date, or at least, you know, like a goal month? Wait, before you answer, can I just tell you that the actual question George is really asking with all these is, Joel, can I please have the new Thrasym

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I hope this album comes out this year because it could be album of the year. That's how excited he is for it. So he's saying should he draw his list in pencil? I have no doubt that it's going to be at least top three. If it's anything like I expect I'm sure it'll make number one. So let's get the answer. Let's get George, get this man some relief please. When's this thing coming out?

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So the album is painfully close to being finished. Like it's literally, I have to send Siegfried the vocal tracks and ES to, you know, spend, you know, a few days, you know, mixing the guitars and then, well, I guess putting the whole thing together, popping the vocals on it and then, you know, sending them back to us to kind of proof and that sort of thing. So it's probably, I'd love for it to be done by the end of August, but it's, I mean, the way it's going now, it's probably going to be September, but,

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But it's coming soon. I just can't wait to just unleash this thing. August is probably a bad time anyway. Like, there's a three-week period, the last two weeks of August and the first week of September, where there are just a ton of albums by, like, Iron Maiden and Ghost and all these people dropping in those weeks. You don't want to come out that in any way because it'll get lost in the shuffle. Ooh, yeah, okay, that's a good, thanks for that heads up. Yeah, I would maybe even go, like, you know, October, but, you know, send me one earlier. Thanks, Zach, George.

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It's nice to see George make some decisions for the band now. Just saying, based on what I know about the release schedule for this year, the last thing I want is for you to get lost in the shuffle somewhere because I know that people need to hear this album. Well, let's get it done first and then we can start making those choices. That's good to know. He's saying calm down, George. I just thought I'd offer a little friendly advice.

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I'm as excited to hear this thing as you are, I think. Oh, man. Well, I mean, I know what it's going to sound like, but Siegfried's going to have some magic in his pocket. He's just going to sprinkle it on the album and it's going to be... Joe, how hard is it with you guys being in different places at different times doing this? How hard is it to get that instant... Because you know when you're in the studio, if you're riffing on something, the rest of your band members can be in the next room and they can give you that instant feedback. Is it hard to kind of tweak things and stuff when it's not...

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done in the same place? I don't think so, yeah. I think the biggest challenge for me so far is, you know, when you're around, you know, like Ray and Brendan and I, we all sort of have a very similar taste in music, or at least, you know, there's one spot that we really all, yeah, are all on the same page about. And so it's nice just to be in the same room and just chat about it and, you know, figure out, oh, does this lyric line work? Does this, what do you think about that lyric line? Or like, you know, how about this?

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that. So it ends up being, you can still have those conversations, but, you know, via, you know, Google Hangouts or, you know, text message or whatever, it's a little bit, it gets a little bit drawn out. Like, hey, what do you think of this line? And then, you know, four hours later, it's like, oh, sorry, I was just at work. I think it's pretty good. It's like, you know, like, but I think that we managed to do it somehow. Like, so it's kind of cool because I'll, you know, write the song, send it over to Ray and Brendan, and they will,

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record their parts, kind of send some demos and stuff. And I don't think I remember. There's maybe one bass note I didn't like of Brendan's. Anyway. The next time you talk to Ray, I'm a new father. I have a one-year-old daughter. I hope my daughter, I'm praying right now, my daughter grows up to be like Ray. She's a female metal badass. Oh, isn't she though? She's amazing. Amazing.

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One thing you're going to like about this album is that on one of the songs, Ray and I have sort of a black metal duet on it. She puts her vocals on probably a good half the track. Harsh vocals? Yep. Sweet. Yeah, unreal. There's one of those things. I'm all for girls. They can do anything that guys can do and they should be best of luck to them whenever they do. They're called women. Okay, I'm sorry. Women. They should be able to do whatever they want to.

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I wish them the best. I would love to fucking walk in, see through this cloud of darkness, there's her tearing up the drums, and the fucking lights come on, and it's a girl, and she's blowing your fucking mind. Yeah. She's amazing. We're an equal opportunity podcast. Yes, we are. That's good. We're an equal opportunity band, too, so that's good. She's amazing. Hey, Joel, any plans to ever get the group together for a tour? Well, I mean, now it's nice because I'm finally out of school, so I'll actually be able to plan my vacation time, and that's

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I mean Ray and I and we've been chatting a bit about you know if the album explodes then like we'll probably have to you know it's like not even like well do you think we should it's like okay well we need to so when are we doing it kind of thing and you're releasing the album yourself yep on yeah on Ignifera Records again excellent yeah it's nice I mean yeah it's worked worked last time so right on yeah it's good to have that control yeah let's talk about that a little bit or one and by that I mean you

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Yeah, you guys have really chosen to just take care of your own kind of, you know, destiny here. So have people approached? I'm sure you must have been approached by a label or two. Yeah, I mean, once in a while, and it ends up, I don't know, I think I feel like some people just don't know that we're not on the label. But it's just, it was sort of a no brainer, because, I mean, we released the first one on our own. And then what we did with the second one, sort of the crowdfund. First of all, that was just unreal.

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the amount of support that we had from all the fans. And it just, I think the way that the album works and the way that our schedules all work, I think it's just, you know, there's no, like, I'm the one who has to sort of, you know, put it together so I know when things are backed up, et cetera, et cetera. Like, no one has to go explaining to a record label, like, oh, sorry, it's not done. But, you know, anyway, it's nice and sort of, it's pretty seamless.

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Yeah, I'm always telling you what to do. I mean, that's great and good for you. And, you know, I don't know if a label changes your destiny that much these days anyway. So, yeah, I mean, you're putting together nice packages, too, by the way. Oh, thank you very much. Yeah, I mean, just really nice looking artwork. Just good stuff, dude. Yeah, that leads me into my next question. The one that I'm sure all three of us have been wondering. I recently pre-ordered the vinyl version of Canada 2010 from Lost 40 Recordings.

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Yes. Are there any plans to do a vinyl version of Wanderer? And for that matter, the new album? Ooh, here we go. So, I mean, so I actually am about, you know, 10 feet away from one of those vinyls right now. The Canada 2010? George would break in your house like fucking Mission Impossible style. I'm waiting. In fact, somebody, one of our listeners asked us to find out when those would be shipping, but I already saw online, I thought it said it was shipping this month.

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Yeah, well, so last 40. Stay away, George. Yeah. It's Austin that, Austin Lund from Panopticon that was behind getting that whole thing set up. And so it ended up being, I think, three or four albums that kind of all got pressed at once. I think he's waiting on one of them right now. And if it's not done by the end of the week, or it's not in by the end of the week, he's just going to start shipping anyway. So it's coming out pretty soon for anybody who,

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Yeah, we actually had someone on Twitter specifically ask about that first one.

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Yeah, I was hunting down the Lost 40 site the other day. I was like, it's been a few months. I hadn't heard anything, so I was just curious.

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Because I pre-order things and then forget about them.

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And they're like, huh, whatever became of that.

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And thanks for doing that, dude.

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Because, I mean, especially every single person on this pod, we're all big vinyl guys.

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So, yeah, I mean, you know, that's awesome.

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I've turned into one recently.

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Oh yeah? Cool, right on. Just started buying again? Well, I mean, I was in a spot where I was just doing so much stuff just for Austin Blatt. I started to even listen to music. And then when Austin approached me about the vinyl stuff, it was just like, shit, I should just get a record player, shouldn't I? And yeah, it's unreal, the difference. It's a disease too, brother. You're screwed now. I'm infected.

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I just had an outbreak today or actually yesterday I bought three records so. So we can expect Wanderer and Metathonia on vinyl then? I feel like it's but I'm obviously hesitant to announce you know of course you know Metathonia on vinyl because then everyone's like oh well it's being released next month so the vinyls are going to be ready then too. Sure now. They're definitely after the fact but it's a thing that you know once we make once we recoup the recording

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and the pressing costs for CDs, then we'll have a bit of a change to make something like that happen. I would love to see that artwork in vinyl size. It's something I want to happen. It would be George's hope that you're petting one now like a cat. All I've got to say is just take my money, whatever you need, and get it done. I was thinking when you said that they were 10 feet from the vinyl, and I'm sorry we keep throwing

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I thought George was going that means I'm 675 miles in 10 feet. Joe, George is a guy who like when you set Kickstarter goals like you set the $1,000 goal, you're like, you know, you set one of one. George is a guy who anties up $1,000 to try and do it for you. Let's just get this settled right now. Let's do this right now. All right. Well, if you got any suggestions for Thrasenblatt merch there, George, don't hesitate. Bigger sizes. Be honest, George. I want a little Thrasenblatt speed.

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You need large sizes. Well, no. The smaller the Speedo, the bigger my junk. Oh. Oh, right on. Good, good. I was actually kind of thinking about, you know, coffee mugs. Yeah, yeah. No. We always go straight for Speedo, so you shouldn't have asked over here. That's fine. I got some friends that do that, too. Yeah. I'm sure there's some cool stuff I can think of, though. Pics, because you guys got a cool logo. Yeah.

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That logo though, that new one, do you guys know the story of that? How that came about? Share it, please. I have the shirt, but I didn't hear the story. Yeah, and so the, I think it's, anyway, just over the winter break or so, got an email from a guy. His name's Adam Gillis. I think he's located in Florida. Anyway, his email said, oh, hey, guys, big fan of the band. I know you guys have a logo and stuff, but like, here's the logo that I just drew.

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And I was like, okay, I'll check it out. And then I opened up the attachment and my jaw hit the floor. And it's just like, well, we had a logo and now we have a new one. Thanks for opening out, right? That's a great logo. And yeah, so it's been really cool working with Adam, you know, just kind of tweaking that design and getting that logo. And yeah, he's a great guy to work with. And so he actually did the lettering for Metathonia on the front cover there.

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And I asked him if he'd be interested in, you know, just kind of doing some quick, you know, writing out the titles of the album, of the songs in calligraphy just for the back of the album. Right. And then I got back, I don't know, a couple weeks later, this, it looks like it's in the shape of a square, but inside that square, there's obviously, there's no outlines, but inside that are the song titles, like intertwined and interwoven with each other.

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And it's just the most fucking gorgeous thing I've ever seen. And so that's going to be on the back of the album. So that's another thing you guys have to look forward to. Nice. And so, yeah, it's another one of those things, talking about the fans. Like, you know, yeah, I'm just a fan who, you know, is really talented and sent something to the band just because of whatever sort of, you know, rapport we've, you know, got with the fans. And it's one of those things that, you know, without the fans, none of that could happen, you know. So it's just unreal.

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Awesome. So speaking of stories, I've heard this one before in other interviews you've done, but could you tell the story of how the band got its name again? I love this story.

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All right. Yeah, yeah. So, well, like we touched on earlier, it's Thrasenblatt sort of, well, the roots are in European metal, of course, right? And so anything here we play in Canada ends up being sort of our interpretation is sort of like a bastardized version of European metal.

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And so Dave Gold had this picture of this great big Viking dude speaking in some kind of bastardized European language saying the words "Thrash and Blast" and it's just like "Oh! Thras and Blat!" "Thras and Blat!" And that's it and it's great because it has some pretty cool imagery in it and it's very Google-able if you can spell it and yeah it's fun. It's just a great name and a couple, about a year ago

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I just you know I was like you know I should you know my friend sent me like an

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anagram he generated of it's like his own name or something I was like I'll just throw Thrasenblatt into there

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and then Narwhal Butts came up that's an anagram of Thrasenblatt right and then a few months after that I saw there's some sort of article or review online saying that you know Thrasenblatt comma the band who made their name after

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because it's an anagram of narwhal bots. Just, anyway. Yeah, I remember when I first heard about Thrasenblatt, I'd seen the name around before I'd ever listened to it, and I was like, oh, you know, that's got to be some sort of, like, you know, Scandinavian, like, Viking metal thing or something. And so then when I listened to it, I was like, well, that's not what I thought it was going to be. And then I, you know, I dug a little deeper, and I saw that story, and I was just like, that is so cool.

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And I actually found it because I'm such a big Woods of Epre fan. After Woods 5 came out and there was this giant hole in the world, I was like, I have to know everything that David's ever been on. I have to find more. I have to know and own everything. And so I went on the metal archives and I clicked on his name and I was like, okay, there's this Korean band that he drummed for. Okay, I'm going to get that on Bandcamp.

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And so I checked that out and

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the first thing I heard was Wanderer. I bought it on iTunes

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before I went to bed one night and then I listened to it

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in the car on the way into work the next day

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and I was in tears. I was like, this is amazing.

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Go ahead, George.

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That was pretty much it. It was this revelation

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And so it's just sort of a, I thought it was cool how one thing led to another thing led to another thing. And discovering a band that I just enjoy so much. That's really cool. You talked about us having cool stories and that's a pretty cool story itself. Thanks. Can we ask you about David a little bit? Would that be all right, Joel? Oh, of course. Yeah. Well, first of all, if you don't mind, and please don't answer anything you don't want to answer, but just as fans and what happened to him exactly?

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I mean, and not exactly, but you know what I mean, how did his death come about? Oh, geez, I don't even know. Oh, you don't, okay. No, well, I mean, it's, you know. It's just a pretty generalized story, you know what I mean, and that's fine, and we don't have to get deep into it or anything, but it is kind of, he keeps coming up in conversation. However many miles away, if everything is from Tuesday Marie. Gotcha. Whenever all that stuff happened, I mean, I found out about it, you know, over Facebook, you know, and it's just like. Okay, you heard what we heard, yeah, okay.

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Yeah, it's always kind of bugged me. I'm like, I have to assume that... What just happened here? Are we still connected? Yeah, we're still connected. I think Jay may have dropped that. Did Jay jump? Oh, okay. I'm here. I bet what it is is somebody probably popped up online and it makes that noise. Okay, we're good now. Cool. Anyway, yeah, no, and then it was actually from Brian Bellow, one of the former Woods members. So anyway, it was, yeah, I still,

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I don't really yeah I'm not usually I was always curious I feel bad bringing it up but yeah I mean you know thanks that's all right yeah it was like you know all the news said was an accident involving a car and a pedestrian and I would assume that he was the pedestrian and I'm like did his car break down was he walking what was going on I don't know yeah I guess I knew more you know it's because you know Dave and I were you know it was amazing writing music with him and kind of you know becoming you know friends and stuff and it was uh yeah so I wish I knew more

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Yeah, and hence our curiosity, by the way. I don't mean to over-explain, but it's not a morbid curiosity. You guys are somebody we care about, and there you go. So, yeah. Yeah, you know, obviously if his family wanted us to know, they'd tell us. So, if they don't, that's cool. Yeah. So, and that must have been tough for you, man, by the way. Oh, of course. Yeah. Well, it's weird because, you know, so many times I'd, you know, listen to something, listen to a band, or like, you know, hear a cool line, and like get ready to like, you know, email Dave, and just like, fuck, you know?

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It's kind of one of those things.

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And it was, you know, the stuff we did with Woods 5, that whole writing process was an amazing time.

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You know, Joe, you talk, sorry to interrupt you, you talk about powerful stuff that you've done with Rossenblot, Woods 5, and any other Woods albums. Any of his stuff is powerful, doesn't even do it justice.

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Yeah, I was curious. This was actually one of my later questions, but I'll jump ahead to it now.

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Woods 5, did you contribute any writing to that, or did you just play on that? I wrote half the album. Okay, that's good then, because everything I read was like, oh, David's writing, David's writing. But listening to Woods 5 and listening to Wanderer, I hear, I don't say similarities, but stylistic things that I'm like, oh, that so reminds me of Woods 5. And I was like, that's got to be because of your writing on that album.

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Yeah, it was a fun process. Well, Dave wrote all the lyrics, of course, because that's sort of, you know, Woods is Dave's beast. But six of the songs I wrote, we just kind of got together in Susie Marie in July. We'd have coffee in the morning, chat a bit, and then go to our separate kind of workspaces and we'd just write songs. And yeah, so I put six together and Dave put six together. That's great. Yeah. That's probably why I felt such an affinity for Wanderer as soon as I heard it. I was like, I know

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this. I know this. So that's great. So do you know if there's any unreleased Woods material sitting around out there that may one day see the light of day? Well, there are three songs that never got finished, really. You know the home EP, of course, right? Right. So there were three more songs in that recording time that just never kind of, we had to leave for tour or actually no, it was at the end, it was after a tour,

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just never got kind of finished up to Dave's, you know, excellent standard, right? He just wasn't pleased with them. So we never ended up releasing them. And I don't know where they are. So they, I mean, they're good tunes, of course. But I mean, if Dave had been happy with them, then they would have been released. But we got two great songs out of those sessions. And so those are the ones that, you know, obviously met the wood standard. And those are the ones that, you know, saw the light.

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You know, Joe, the one thing I have to say about Dave is it doesn't seem, and we go to a lot of shows and a lot of metal festivals, it doesn't seem that a lot of the metal world still knows of him or got to hear the amazing work that he did. Because, you know, we wear a wood shirt to a concert and people are like, who is that? Yeah, there's a lot of stupid people out there. But, you know, the ones in the know who really know the scene, you know, know what amazing work he was doing.

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Sorry, I had another follow-up question for my last one, which was, was Woods 5 done? Or did you have to still do some finishing touches? It was all done. We finished it. So we wrote in July, went into, well, with Siegfried Meyer at Beach Road Studios. We went there for two weeks in August, and when we left, it was done. Yeah, I thought it was supposed to be released in November 2011, originally, and then it got pushed back.

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And then of course it got really pushed back. Yeah, there was, I don't know what the, actually, yeah. See, that's one of those things that, you know, it's like a, you know, with Ignifera, I would know why it would, you know, things get pushed back, but I, no clue. Right. Wow, this is good. George is actually stumping you now. This is sort of like that episode of Saturday Night Live where the guys are asking questions of Captain Kirk. They're like, in episode four, where he pushes the, you know what I mean?

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Sorry.

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Well, it's one of those things that I felt pretty, it's like, I don't know, it's like kind of like trying to move a building or something like that. It's not really much I can do. You know, kind of like, I just like, I felt, you know, kind of, even if I found the answer, wouldn't be able to sort of do anything about it. So yeah, of course.

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Album's released when it's released. Great.

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Yeah.

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I was just really focused on the band at that time.

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I came across Woods 4 probably in the spring of 2011 when Earache sent me a promo and they were like, here, you should review this. And it just blew my mind. And I wrote this really great review and David emailed me and thanked me for that. And we talked a little bit. And so I knew that it was scheduled to come out in November originally. And that was pretty much my summer fall was like, when's it coming out? When's it coming out?

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And then it wasn't coming out. So anyway, getting back to Thrasenblatt. Yeah. I listened to Wanderer again yesterday, front to back with the lyrics in front of me. And it was a really moving experience. Even though I'm already familiar with the album, I cried at the end of the Song of the Nihilist. It's such a moving story and phenomenal album. Not since Woods 5 actually has an album spoken to me so much. I just wanted to tell you that.

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Thank you very much. That means a lot. You guys asked about Thrasenblatt and Woods and that sort of thing. You asked about David's passing and that sort of thing and how that affected me. I had a pretty horrible year there. David's the fourth person that was in I think about four months that was close to me that passed away. That whole album was sort of when I write a song, I usually start with a problem or at least lyric wise.

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and then find a solution to it, right? And so that album is a lot of dealing with how do you deal with when something like that happens to you and how do you move forward and that sort of thing. So it was actually Dave was one of four people who's passing, you know, inspired me to write that album or just was a big part of the album writing process. So, yeah. To answer how you deal with that kind of thing, in my case, you fall apart for a year and basically sleep on the couch.

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I had some deaths in my family and I did not handle it well dude so good for you for channeling it into something artistic and meaningful for other people to experience I mean I couldn't be more sincere when I say that well thank you yeah and if one single person can you know be helped by you know me having written and put out you know that album then it's just unbelievably you know makes me very happy to know so yeah you know the Joey

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Just go along with what Jay just said. The thing that's striking me the most about talking to you this last hour or so is how humble you are and how down to earth you are with this. Well, thank you. It's refreshing. It's nice. It is. It's really cool. What a pleasure to have you here. It's been a real pleasure chatting with you guys. You guys are asking some great questions and you're doing it in a fantastic manner. It's just a blast. Thanks.

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I actually had a question that I was going to get to.

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Okay, Jay, shut up. Let your words out.

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Yeah, shut up, guys. I got questions here.

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I was actually going to reference the four urns in the storyline,

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and I was going to ask, you know, who did these urns represent?

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I assumed they represented people, and I figured one of them was David.

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Yep, that's exactly it.

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So those are the four.

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So I just finished my masters in classics just right before we went out on tour in 2011. And a month later, my academic advisor who I've been working with closely for the last two years passed away suddenly. And then a friend of mine who I'd known since I was about five passed away in September. And then my paternal grandmother passed away in November and then David. So those are the four.

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Those are the four urns symbolically there. Wow. Nobody should have to have a year that rough. Oh, Jesus Christ. Well, I mean, what do you do except move forward? I guess maybe with that piece of information, the sort of emotion that's put into the wanderer. That's what the whole thing is about is that sort of thing. Moving through it and what do you do? Right.

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lyrics or songs that were specifically a tribute to David? Well, I think, let me think here. I think probably We the Torchbearers is probably the one that's most... I was thinking that. Yeah, because David carried quite a heavy torch, quite a big torch in at least the Canadian metal, if not worldwide sort of scope as well. So that was probably the most David. I was also, in my mind, at least,

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thinking Goose River was a... Well, it's interesting because, you know, David and, well, the fellow, my friend who I've known since I was about five who passed away, his name is Matt Sloan. And so he is who Goose River is about. That was the one thing that made me question it was like, well, that's an actual name there, so... Yeah. And I, yeah, it's, yeah, I wanted to, yeah, because each of those four people was, you know, equally, you know, massive in my life. And so I didn't want any of them to sort of get more than the other.

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and that sort of thing in the storyline.

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So it's, yeah.

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So they're all there in all sort of, you know, in wherever you see that sort of thing.

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They're all sort of a part of it, but some have a big role in songs than others, yeah.

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Right on.

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So one thing I've noticed, maybe I'm biased just because of my fandom, but you know, like with

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Woods of Ypres and Thrasenblatt lyrics, they seem to be like deeper and more interesting

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than typical black metal lyrics. And I was curious, like, did you and David, like, learn that from each other? Or is there just something in the water in Canada? Or what's that all about? Well, that's really cool that you mentioned that. Thank you. Well, I know that, I mean, well, it's interesting because some of my favorite music before I, you know, started Thrasolblattin, before I joined Woods, was, like, you know, Woods 2 and Woods 3. There's some really, I think I definitely, just chatting with David and that sort of thing, we talked about,

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just the concept of why are you writing lyrics and that sort of thing.

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Because there's a point when, in terms of black metal and stuff, it's like, oh yeah, we're walking around in a forest, it's super graham awesome.

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But then what happens?

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And I've always kind of, you have to have a purpose when you're writing a lyric.

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And it's sort of, I always like to solve a problem.

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If someone can read those and find some sort of "I hadn't thought of looking at it that way" or "You know what? I really know what you're talking about" that sort of thing then that's exactly why you write a lyric. I think they would look at it the same way. Yeah, I mean I like Emperor as much as the next person but it's like "Yeah, whatever these lyrics" but when I came across Woods of Ypres I was like "These lyrics actually mean something" I connect to this and particularly

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"Your Ontario Town is a burial ground."

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"I'm from Michigan," which is close enough, I figure.

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And boy, that song means a lot to me.

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And so, it's just, the lyrics are much more personal than typical black metal.

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Yeah, maybe that could be, yeah.

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There's definitely a large part of, definitely in Wood Stuff, David put himself, all of himself into it.

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And I think I put a certain large chunk of myself in a lot of my songs, too.

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So maybe that's probably part of it. Yeah. Will we ever see a song about how awesome Tim Hortons is? I fucking love their coffee, though. I'm sorry. You know what? I think it'd be great just to, that'd be a pretty great gag song, right? Wouldn't it? Like a hidden track. Yes. Play it backwards, George. There you go. Well, I know, at least on the forum, or I guess the forum, the Woods, or the Woods, Jace, the Woods forum was,

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was awesome on Ultimate Metal. So the Thrasenblatt Facebook page is what I'm talking about. We sort of have all those Thrasenblatt puns. That sort of realm, I think Tim Hortons' gag song would fit in there somehow. Yeah, I think so. Hey, Joel, do you have in this internet age we live in, you know, I could post your song on Reddit, one of your videos, and it could be 500 comments, you know, oh, this sucks, this is good. Do you ever look at your stuff online and do you,

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read into the comments at all good or bad? Well, I think it's hard not to. You kind of like, you know, you see a video posted and you're like, oh, hey, cool. I wonder what people say, you know, and it's like the first one's like, posers. Some 12 year olds blasting you. Yeah. And then you kind of, I think you have to, you just have to look at the internet as a certain thing. It's like the internet's kind of like a party, I think, you know, in a lot of ways. It's like, you know, going to a party where everyone's kind of making jokes. It's like if you read the

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I'm curing cancer but somebody's blasting you because you're off beat or something.

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Yeah. And people have no, you know, most people who put comments, they have no stake in that thing. And so they're just like passing by and just like, you know, throw a tomato at somebody. Yeah. Because it's fun. And so when you look at it that way, it's not as bad. So what really is nice is when you, yeah, when you read a really well thought out or, you know, review or just even a really nice kind of comment that you know,

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that someone spent some of their... Nowadays, time is pretty valuable. They spend some of their valuable time writing that or thinking about that. That's one of the ways in which the internet is awesome. You ever see somebody post their interpretation of the lyrics and it's so in right field that you just have to comment? You're like, no, really, it's actually nothing like that. It's funny. When I write lyrics, I try to be as absolutely just clear as possible.

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I look for all the double meanings and try to eliminate as many as I can. Just to like, you know, because with heavy metal there's so many, I mean just in general I think you can take a lot of sentences so many ways and so after having written the lyrics to, you know, Thrasenbutt 2 and after it was released, you know, there's a sort of, there's, you know, you kind of get the interview cycle going and lots of interviews coming in and out and there's one fellow who sent me the, I forget, anyway, he sent me all these like,

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really in analytical questions about the album. You can give a premise and then ask a question about it. The lyrics for Wanderer and the Conor of Saplings are clearly motivated by Tim Horton, so why do you do this? It's not an example, but it's like... It's questions like that, and you just pull out your hair and you don't know what you even say to that. No, I think the correct answer is just yes. You know what I mean? Just let him have it. You nailed it.

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So Ray's got a mortal bird. Brendan's got obsidian tongue. Is Joel ever going to do a side project, perhaps in a different style or anything that you couldn't do in Throssenblatt? Or does Throssenblatt pretty much do it for you? Well, it does it for me, definitely. But it's neat that you ask that because since Throssenblatt, it's tough to play live. So in town here in Fredericton, I put together sort of a maritime folk band.

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with songs.

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We play Goose River live and we play Maritime Shores.

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So we're just actually just putting out an EP at the end of the summer here.

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A little five song, kind of maritime-y acoustic, but kind of like Maritime Shores, that sort of thing, except a little bit more, the lyrics a little bit more kind of tongue-in-cheek, like have a little bit more fun with it and that kind of thing.

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Nice.

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I think my friend Josh is probably booking his hotel there in New Brunswick now because his favorite part of Thrasenblatt is the maritime stuff. Cool. I'd drive up there to see it too. Well, I'll have to let you know if we do anything big. Certainly. A part of our pod, we do a top three list.

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What's your day? What's your day this week? This week, in honor of having you on, we're doing top three Canadian metal bands. Not to put you on the spot, but could you come up with a top three or maybe one or two Canadian metal bands that would build your top three list? Sure. I mean, well, so, um, Devin Towns,

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would obviously have to be up there.

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All right.

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Yeah.

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He's unreal.

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Actually.

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He's amazing,

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isn't he?

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Yeah.

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And you know what?

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He's,

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he's a fantastic dude too.

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I got a chance to meet him and it was,

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he's just,

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you know,

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like you're,

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you mentioned me being humble.

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He's right.

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He's,

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he's as humble as it comes and he's great guy.

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And he,

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he belches in a song comes out,

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man.

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Like a good one.

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It's just like,

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crap.

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And it's just like,

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Oh my God,

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that's the most amazing thing I've ever heard.

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Yeah.

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I remember the time he farted.

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Yeah.

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You know,

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It's a great record

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So there's him

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And Unleash the Archers

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Oh I love them

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We love them

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That's a good call

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Yeah they actually

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They rolled through Fredderton

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A couple times

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When I was here

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And I

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I

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I

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Yeah I met them

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You know what

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We

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I hadn't met them

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On tour at all

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This was after

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After the Woods stuff

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And

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So they knew

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They knew about Woods

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And their fans

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And I knew about them

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And I was fans

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And so I just met up

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with them.

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Yeah, definitely on the spot here. Those are the two that jump right out. Let me think here for a second. Oh, well, just that comes to mind here. There's a neat band from Moncton called Zaum. Have you guys heard of them? Don't know. So they put out an album called Oracles, actually an EP. And it's sort of like a psychedelic drone doom thing, but it's very atmospheric. It's about, it's kind of like

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It's kind of like a desert sort of Oracle kind of feel to it. And it's just the most calming, peaceful album. It's really cool. And they played live here in Fredericton too, and it was a great show. So yeah, those are the three I can think of right now. Very cool. Do you guys want to go ahead and do our three here since he just hit his? Yes. Let's do our three right now. You want me to go first? Sure. Number three, Gorguts.

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Okay.

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Because I love technical death metal.

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Why don't you just do all three?

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Okay.

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Number two.

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Thanks George.

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You made me look like an idiot.

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No, no.

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We don't normally do it that way, but since he already did his three.

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I don't know.

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Number two.

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Annihilator.

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Okay.

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Because I love Alice in Hell.

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Yeah.

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Number one.

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I'm going to pour some out for my homies here because they're breaking up and there are no more three inches of blood.

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Right on.

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I think that again the stuff that Cam and those guys did is his pipes are fucking one of the most unique voices in metal and it's a shame that there can be no more. Yeah. Jay what do you got? All right well. I just wanted acceptance from Joel and I didn't get it and you make me look like an idiot George. I don't know what you're talking about. Go ahead Jay. With this one I'm almost ashamed to put this one on there. I was going to put Devin Townsend too but these guys had some early

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records that meant a lot to me back in the 80s. It's Exciter. And I'm kind of happy that they're back together, even though it's pretty cheesy stuff, but I dig it. I'm going to pronounce it different than George, but Voivod. And then actually Gorguts was my number one. Right on. All right. Well, hey, with all due respect, Joel, by the way, George knows your stuff better than me. So you're going to be on that list soon enough. Yeah. Not not to suck up or anything, because I was going to we were going to do this after the interview. So it was sucking up in the nude pictures are going to be sent after the pod. Yeah.

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But number three, Thrasenblatt. Woo! Yeah! Which would have been number two, except my number two is Voivod, and they only get it because they have so much more material. Hey, man, you don't have to rationalize. That was the best celebration I've ever heard. Woo! Yeah! Number one. I'm going to make that into a little sound drop that we can put in between episodes. That was too good. Woo! Yeah!

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Number one, Woods of Vipre. So there we go. That's our top three. That was good. That was satisfying. Right on. Joe, one more thing. I'd like to ask artists we have on here this question, because this digital age you live in always blows me away. What's your experience been on the band camps and the Kickstarter and everything? Have you liked it? Will you do it again? Any future projects? Oh, man. Where do I even start? That's how we work.

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Well, at least the Kickstarter model is how we did the second album. And since then, Bandcamp is how we've sold all our stuff. And that's sort of like a medium that lets artists sell basically directly to their fans and just take a small cut. And they do it in a way that's pretty painless for the artists. The merch, they've got a really good merch system where it lists all the stuff that you've got to ship.

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Yeah, you're out of stock on a couple of things that I was looking at yesterday, by the way. All right, I'll get on that. I'll put it on the list. That was literally a customer service complaint. And so, yeah, it's fantastic stuff. You know, there's a lot of stuff. I mean, part of what the album talks about is, you know, there's things that, you know, in these times that, you know, there's so many new things. Some of them are awesome. Some of them aren't so awesome. So it's a matter of sort of, you know, picking the

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the bits that are awesome in this new time. Bandcamp is one of the things that is awesome about the internet. Cool. Very nice. All right. Well, first of all, I want to thank Joel for talking with us today. It has been truly an honor and it's been a blast. I know we all had some fun. Very generous with your time. Yeah. Thanks, man. Thank you for the time. Likewise, guys. It's been completely reciprocal with all that stuff. I'd love to hear that.

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So we're getting as we usually do we're gonna play a couple songs from

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Thrasenblatt and well we don't usually play songs from Thrasenblatt whoever we're interviewing we play their songs

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change that

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every episode we play something from Thrasenblatt that works for me

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so the first song we're gonna play is off of Wanderer on the Continent of Saplings and this is the song We the Torchbearer what can you tell us about this one Joel

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So that song is, well actually, one of my buddies described it as in the movie The Grey with Liam Neeson at the very end where he's like surrounded by wolves and he like cracks the bottles of like, and he's got the shards of glass in his hands ready to take on the wolves. That's what he says the intro is. And then once everything comes in, it's like, what happens next? And it's, yes, it's an in-your-face, you know, pounder. And yeah, the lyrics are,

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Yeah, about carrying the torch. Yeah, so it ended up writing the song about one of my buddies had someone close to him, a family member pass away, and I was like, you know, what do I even say to him? You know, like, I wish I could help him, but I don't know, you know, and so I kind of answered that question in the lyrics, like, wait, what do you do about it? And so it's an in-your-face pounder, and I guess it has a little bit of a, you know, philosophical tidbit in there somewhere, I guess.

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Right on. All right. So here we are. For us and blot, we the torchbearer.

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The green touch falls to the soil, there is liquors and roars. The green touch falls to the soil, there is liquors and roars. The sorrow won't kill it forever. The sorrow won't kill it forever.

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We all does carry the torch We all does carry the memory

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It's your innocence

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When you bury a product

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Die!

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It's your fire

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It's your innocence

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When you bury a sister

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You have to accept

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There is nothing to be done

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You have to accept

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That this has happened

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You have to accept

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This begins a new chapter

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You have to accept

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You cannot fall back

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Who you were accepted

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The green torch falls in the soil,

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There is flickers and roils The green torch falls to the side There is flickers and roils A sorrow won't fuel it forever A sorrow won't fuel it forever

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The memory

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Hurt, burn,

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You shall find the story

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All right.

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That was We the Torchbearer from Thrasenblatt.

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That concludes the bulk of the interview with Joel Violette.

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Violetta!

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I'm going to do that.

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Every time you say his name, I'm going to have to do that.

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Violetta!

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But he will be back again at the end of the show because we're going to have him talk about the last song that we're going to play before we go.

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So stick around to the end of the show for more Thrasenblatt.

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What song is that he's going to be doing? You'll find out when you get there. Oh. You have to stick around. That's the whole point. All right. Let's finally, after how many three hours or whatever, get into some news. First up,

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I don't like talking

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about guitars. I hate heavy metal.

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You know what, dude? If you don't want to do the interviews, don't fucking do the interviews, A.

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And B, it never fails when a band starts to get popular.

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There's at least one guy in there who's sort of ashamed that he's associated with heavy metal.

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Wasn't he who you had your time with, Jake?

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No, that was the other guitar player.

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Okay.

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And there are some well-intrude metalheads in that band.

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There's no question about it.

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And I used to think he was eccentric.

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And I'll just tell you right now, now I just think he's kind of a jerk.

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He's a jerk.

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I'd agree with you 100%. What an asshole. He hates heavy metal. We hate Brent Hines. Fuck you. Remember where you come from, asshole. You don't have to go out there and represent heavy metal every day. Who cares? But on the other hand, you know what, dude? If you're making your living by it and shit like that, come on, man. Don't shit where you eat. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And I'll tell you something. I'll tell you something right now. Being a big fan of that band, I will think twice before buying their next record. I'm not joking. Yeah. Yeah, and that goes back to what we were talking about.

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That's right. I don't know. I don't put much weight into this. I know how much drugs and stuff this bands into. You're right. So what? You want to keep getting your drugs? Appease your fans. You know what we talked about earlier with immoral bands and that type of stuff? I don't put a lot of weight into a little quote here and there. No, I agree. I never agree. Well, you know what? You know these guys know they're under the mic.

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every time they say something.

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They have to know that.

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Unless they're just so doped out of their brains that they don't.

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For him to say metal's dead, you know, I'm sorry.

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I don't agree with that at all.

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There are so many people underground that love metal.

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He didn't say that.

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He said he hates metal.

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Okay, well then for him to say that, fuck him.

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Exactly.

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I'll tell you this.

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I'll just add one more thing.

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And that is that he reminded me in that interview of two people who are talented musicians. One of them is dead. And that's Kurt Cobain and also Maynard James Keenan from Tool. These are two people who cannot, they appear to dislike their audiences very much. I don't know so much. Well, I don't know about the Tool. No, fucking Kurt's never getting back to the fucking anybody writing him now. But Kurt Cobain hated himself more than he hated anyone. But he was one of those guys. He used to write songs about how much he did. Did you see the documentary?

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Yeah. On him? Yeah. Yeah, whatever. I mean, yeah, I did. I mean, and that's just hearsay, really, is what it is. You're watching somebody else's opinion on what he thought. But it looked to me like he just hated himself more than anyone else. And I agree with you. I do take it with a grain of salt, and I'm not really angry about it. It's just like, come on, man. There's so many of us. Like, I'm in a band, and I'm out here trying kind of hard, and you're in a position where people want to ask you questions and stuff like that, and it just seems like kind of abusing that.

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Yeah.

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He owes me nothing.

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Yeah.

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It's just sort of biting the hand that feeds you, though.

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All right.

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I guess that's what I'm saying.

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Yeah.

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But last thing, and sorry, do you guys really give anything this band says any weight to it?

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No.

02:52:07.640 --> 02:52:09.620
No, because they're always, always sarcastic.

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All of them.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And so there you go.

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And he can say whatever he wants.

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I think he's an amazing guitar player, but I was a little disappointed with that statement.

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Because you know what?

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I fucking love Heavy Model.

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Yeah.

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And I don't care.

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Who knows it?

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All right.

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So the next news item, Disturbed released a song coming out of, yeah, that they were all sneaky and surprised everybody with called The Vengeful One. Frankly, I think it blows. I was never a fan of Disturbed. I kind of liked them in the middle years. I thought they tried too hard. They were just sort of my like, yeah, I need some light, hard rock stuff. So I liked some of the stuff. Have you gone back, though, and listened to the stuff they released in,

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like what was it the 90s you have the box set yeah i do it's not bad there's stuff is

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from the time there's stuff i like but the new song i don't and and there you go to each his own

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i never preferred disturbed you did so there you go you would have contributed to their kickstarts

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i would not have no i don't know if i would have gone that far but well and i don't think they need one

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but yeah i'm no i'm no fan yeah well they don't they have a label that that rapes them nightly i'm

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I promise you.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Next up, I'm, you know, the new Iron Maiden album's coming out in September,

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but we're going to get a taste next month.

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They're going to be releasing the single for the song Speed of Light on August 14th.

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Hmm.

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Oh, here's got hard nipples.

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Oh, oh, oh, oh.

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I can cut some glass.

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Yeah, man.

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I didn't even know that was happening until I saw the news on our script, so very cool.

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Yeah, can't wait to hear that.

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It's a little teaser.

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So Dave Mustaine says that a lot of people will be happy because the new music is really aggressive again. Megadeth is releasing something new? Mm-hmm. Chris Adler from Lamb of God on drums. No shit. Yep. So we'll see. This is like, you know, I've been let down so many times before. I want to believe, but I can't believe. That's right. I can't get excited. I'm playing the part of your crowd, your listeners, and I don't know what the fuck you guys are talking about.

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And honestly, that excited me. I got a little chubby for that. Yeah, man. But you know what? I'm with George, though. We'll see. We'll see. I think Dave's done. You know, the Chris Hadley thing. Yeah, fuck yeah. Well, the accident didn't end him, and he came back strong. I mean, what does it take to end this guy? I just think he's making bad records right now. So we'll see. I hope this one's better. Yeah, fuck yeah. Well, it's the lead to soon, like I said. Yep, we'll see. Last good one was United Abominations.

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that had too much politics in it anyway. So we'll see. Well, yeah. Yeah. But honestly, politics are a very popular discussion right now. Yeah. Well, not with me. Yeah. Maybe not with you, but with a lot of Americans, at least there is a very popular discussion. We're going to get a little political later on. Um, so, uh, there was a study done. Uh, I didn't unfortunately write down the details, but apparently listening to heavy metal can make you calmer.

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Yeah.

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That's interesting.

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Yeah.

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It's like you get all your rage and aggression out through the music and it leaves you calmer.

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There was a study shown.

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It was like a side-by-side study that said, you know, basically people were given like stressful news and told to think about stressful things.

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And the people that, and then half the people were left to just sit and think about it and the other half listened to heavy metal.

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And the people that listened to heavy metal, when they came back to them, were more calm than the people who just sat and stewed.

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Have you heard of the ice experiment? I don't know if that's what it's called, but that's what I'm calling it.

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Okay.

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They took classical music, they took hard rock, they took heavy metal, and they played it through, I guess they took an amp and they put it against something with water.

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in it and they froze the water. And the water turned out to, in classical, it formed these amazing beautiful crystals. In rock it formed something different and then in metal it formed something completely different. And they were saying that based on this water, since we're made up of so much water, that it affects us, the sound that we're getting bombarded with in these songs is affecting us.

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us in the way that it's freezing. But to have you say that metal calms you, I mean, that's actually, that's interesting. And if that's a scientific, like, fact, and they actually research this, I would like to see them go and counter the people that did this freezing thing and say, because sound waves are going to affect everyone in their own way. I mean, we're all,

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We got a skeleton and we got skin surrounding us, but we're all different sizes. So our fundamental frequency is going to be different across the board. And to find out what music actually affects us all the same, I would be interested to see that. Well, it probably wouldn't affect non-metal fans that way. Well, that's what I'd like to see is non-metal fans.

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It's a good point. Okay. Let's see. What's next? So this next one, I think Buick and probably Matt also are going to be pretty excited about. Phil Anselmo said that Super Joint Ritual is working on four or five new songs. Awesome. One would guess that they might record those songs. Awesome. Awesome. I know they're going to be touring. Honestly, let me just... I'm going to put this out.

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I mean, you may not appreciate me for this, but let me just put this out there. I would take down over Super Joint Ritual. I really would. You'd take down? Yeah, I mean, yes. Oh, down. Sorry, down. It's the same front man, obviously, but I would listen to down over Super Joint Ritual. I've seen Super Joint Ritual. How many times have we seen Super Joint Ritual? Like seven or eight. Seven or eight times. And they're great. I love them. But down, I mean, Stone the Crow.

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Listen to that song and tell me that's not fucking touching. Matt, I'm a bigger Super Joint Ritual fan than I am down. So be it. I'm glad that they're coming back. Phil said they have no timeline when they expect to get an album out. He said, you know, if it happens, it happens. Because they're all busy with other projects. That's the other thing. Half of Super Joint Ritual is down. They're all in other projects.

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So yeah,

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it's cool.

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I'm not doing stuff.

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So yeah,

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it is.

02:59:19.760 --> 02:59:20.360
I'm excited about it.

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I like super joint.

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I like them both.

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So it's cool.

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That's nice.

02:59:23.300 --> 02:59:24.020
So they're still doing stuff,

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you know,

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I mean,

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they are not still doing stuff.

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It's nice.

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So they're kind of,

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well,

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I mean,

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they're doing the shows.

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Were you going to go to one of the shows?

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They weren't coming around here.

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Oh,

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they're not.

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No,

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Down's coming to,

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um,

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barbecue,

02:59:34.440 --> 02:59:34.860
the barbecue.

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Yeah.

02:59:35.710 --> 02:59:36.060
So that'll,

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that'll get you,

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that'll get you through.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I was kind of pleased to hear

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Isn't it? Isn't it? It is. It's a good name. Especially with weed being legalized. I mean, so many people can relate to that. I personally don't. I personally, you said Super Joint Ritual, right? Yeah. I did. I just thought that was such a good point. I personally don't smoke, but I know plenty of people that do, and they can relate to that. I mean, they hear a band called Super Joint Ritual. Hey, I smoke joints every fucking night.

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I'm gonna go check these people out you know you're on a roll dude so this next item I kind of got to roll my eyes for this one yeah guess what Steve Tucker's back in Morbid Angel to make a full-on death metal album or who knows what'll happen next week but stay tuned we'll see right do you give these guys any weight anymore no no yeah really do you believe the hype not even a little bit

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The Camination was the last album I could stomach by these guys. So I'm tapping out on that one. They're done. Now, Jay, how about this next one here? Come on, Jay. Richie Blackmore says he's contemplating playing some rock shows next year. This is not like secondhand Joe Lynn Turner. This is straight from the Blackmore's mouth. But he said contemplating. No, no. Actually, he said he was supposed to play three different shows. I'm assuming they're festival shows. And that's it. He's like, that's all I'm going to do. But I will say this.

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I know Buk joins me on this one. Richie Blackmore is a jerk. There's no question about it. But he's also my single favorite guitar player. And if he's going to come, I would love to see him play rock again. He should. I mean, I'm serious. Yngwie, Joe, or Jeff Loomis, he's better than all of them. Richie Blackmore is God on guitar. So yeah, I mean, he should be. This is what he should be doing. And hey, if it was in America, I'd probably go out of my way to come and try to see it. But I'm sure there'll be three festival shows in Europe, and he's just going to do like, I think he'll do like a Richie Blackmore's greatest hits kind of thing.

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We'll see. I think Joe Lynn Turner was supposed to be involved, though. Yeah, probably. But Richie said in this interview, Joe Lynn Turner is not involved. And I think that was where Joe Lynn Turner learned whatever. Classic Richie being a prick. But yeah, come on back, Richie. Yeah, hell yeah. Water's fine. Next couple items are some albums that'll be coming out later in the year. First one is Clutch is going to release a new album October 2nd called Psychic War.

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Warfare. Awesome. We'll be seeing those guys at

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Gwar-BQ. Maybe we'll catch some new material there. I look forward to that.

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I look forward to that tremendously. Yeah. Clutch is cool.

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I love Clutch. Yeah.

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Last one is really good. Last record is great. Earth Rocker.

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Yeah. I know you got that on Final View.

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Yeah. I do.

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There you go. All right.

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And another one I'm really excited about.

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Unfortunately, it's not coming out till next year, but

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Is working on a new album for 2016. Can't wait to hear that. Love pretty much everything this guy's done. No comments. I haven't heard those guys. Yeah. Looking forward to it. Have you heard of Suicide City? Nope. Really? Nope. Okay, it's the typo negative guitarist. Okay. And the kiddie bass player. Okay. He lost George.

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I saw Kitty at OzFest years ago. I think I did too. And she's Amy or Jenny I think. She is unbelievably gorgeous and rides the bass like nobody's business. Like you feel like you're at a porn store watching her. But I just want to pitch those guys. Suicide City. They're still even around. I'll look for it. Next one.

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a release date for this yet but i am totally looking forward to it is uh satiricons working on a new album and uh frost the drummer says it's going to be really different from anything they have done now everybody says that so it will it be like the self-titled album who knows but i'm very curious to see what it is because i love pretty much everything these guys have done well if you love it i mean but george their style was changed yes a couple times yeah and i've liked it

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What was it? The Rebel Extravaganza. Kind of like a rock type of... Oh, you're talking about the volcano era. Yes, the volcano era and stuff like that. Yeah, I liked it. So am I. If you like it, ride it. Yeah, it doesn't matter. I mean, if you're driving a Ford, drive a Ford. If you're driving a Chevy, drive a Chevy. If you like both of them, drive them both. Right? Right.

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Sotericons kann man das nicht mehr so einfach.

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I've waited so much longer than three hours for a show with you. Did you say that was at Austin? No, this is between, Matt. For Satiricon? No, Matt. This is bands have played before them. Oh my God. And we're in stage in the venue waiting for them to come on. I don't even know where that place was. We went to this show and it was, I don't even know where the fuck it was. It was like Baltimore. Yeah, it wasn't the record. It wasn't anything like that. Ramsey? No.

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I've never been back so tear-con headlined it with suffocation yes Wow no hours between acts it was bad we we left like yeah before suffocation yeah I don't know that is horrible yeah it's just horrible so uh I've actually heard this but children of Bodom is streaming a new song from their new album I worship chaos nice I've got the promo I'm digging it man this is

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I think it's a sort of a, at least I haven't heard the whole thing yet, but it's a bit of a return to the more melodic guitar lines of Hate Crew death roll. So I am a huge, huge children of Bono fan. That's, I mean, I know I didn't say that right, but that's alcohol. That venue was the Thunderdome. Really? The Thunderdome? Really? Wow. You spent three, what was it? Two hours? Where is it? That was the Morbid Angels Satiricon Suffocation. Oh my God.

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That is horrible management. Remember Premonitions of War opened. Yeah. Morbid Angel was the headliner. It was the American Heretic Tour. Oh, well, I wouldn't have cared about that. 2004. Wow. That was 11 years ago. Yeah. That is, that's still horrible. I don't care how long ago it was. Yeah, it was 11 years ago we did that. Wow. I'm not trying to make us feel old, but wow. Wait, wait, wait. You waited for who? Satiricon. Satiricon. Did you, uh, is there a bar next to that place?

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It's called Beyond Thunderdome because they're fucking sitting. Can I speak about this? If you're waiting for Thunderdome. That's what it's called. Children of Bodom. I listened to this again today before I came here. Their first song that's on YouTube. It's a more mature Children of Bodom than I've heard before. In a while. Not so heavy on the keyboards. Not so heavy with that synth sound that they kind of had. But I love those melodic guitar lines. But the guitars are ridiculous. The vocals sound awesome.

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They're all amazing at what they do. Honestly. They sound great. I haven't heard it yet, but I'm looking as we're talking here. I see it's in the box, so I'll pull it out. Honestly, those guys, the keyboardists, guitarists, they're all phenomenal at what they do. Honestly. Just to be able to play with each other alone. I mean, being that they're so good at what they do. I'm a huge Opeth fan, so I'm

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I'm going to relate everything to Opeth. And you listen to Opeth, you hear the keys, you hear the guitars, Michael Ackerfeld on lead. And it's, it's, yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. Just sit there for a little bit. Let's sit here and look pretty. Just sit there for a little bit. Let us take it. Yeah. Moving on, I think we're probably all going to eschew our venom for this next one. And I don't mean venom.

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a song called Empty Temples, and it blows goats. Pass. Really? Don't like it. I heard two songs off this album, and I lived through the 70s. I don't need to do it again. Give me some metal. That's the sword, right? The sword, yeah. We talked about this one or two pods ago, and there was this little fear that they were going to kind of go towards the weird Texas rock thing, and that's just not my cup of tea, dude. I mean, hey, whatever, but if they did more

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stuff like Warp Riders or even the last record, but nah, I didn't like it at all. Yep, tapping out. Even the cover is kind of lame. It looks like some sort of mid, I don't know what it looks like, some Radiohead record or something. Yeah, fuck them. Now, Pentagram is streaming a new song called Walk Alone. Pentagram, really? And you know, Bobby is still kicking. Are you kidding me? But it wasn't bad. It beat the hell out of the fucking sword, that's for sure. You know, I saw a picture of him recently, and I gotta tell ya,

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He looked a lot better at the end of the movie where he kind of gained some weight. Yeah, he kind of looks like the guy at the beginning of the movie again. Oh shit. Well, we saw him that play guy they they they they opened for down on the show that we went to and well, I mean he he just fucking looks horrible, you know, but he's old anyway decrepit and he's abused himself for years. I want to know who his girlfriend is. I don't know if she can like if she can like him. She can sure as fuck like me. Yeah.

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What is that? Where was when was the show you saw? It was a couple years ago a couple years ago at Fillmore that's surprising Yeah, it was a good show I didn't think he would last long Well, if he's staying I mean really pentagram is him. Yeah, I mean Yeah, that's it What did you say about the song George? I just he sounded really good and if he stays clean then You know right on more power to him. Hell yeah, I mean I'm all for clean

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So this next one, it's funny, I was down in South Carolina at the beach when the Confederate flag came down in South Carolina. Corey Taylor and Randy Blythe have both weighed in on the topic. I wasn't even going to bring this up, but I was like, well, here's an opportunity to, because these guys talked about it, I just wanted to throw in my two cents.

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Regardless of whether the flag represents hatred or not. Freedom of speech. No. The flag is for a country that hasn't existed for 150 years. We beat that country in war. Okay? Yeah. Are we still flying a British flag? No. You know why? It's not for the Brits, though. No. We were at war with the Brits. We kicked their asses. No offense.

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like the Brits. Yes. But we don't fly their flag anymore. Why the fuck would we have a flag for a country we defeated flying in our country? Okay. Whether it has anything to do with hatred or not, there's no fucking reason to fly that flag. Okay. Okay. Yeah. No, that's a great point. That's a great point. But honestly, the southern states, okay, during the Civil War, we all know it was about secession, not about slavery. Right. They left and formed their own country. Yes, they did. And then they got their ass kicked.

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and became part of our country again. They did, absolutely. And the Confederate flag that you see flying, the stars and bars that everybody's against, that is not the Confederate flag. That is a battle flag. Okay? For a country that no longer exists. Yes, you're absolutely right. You're absolutely right. There's absolutely no reason. But whether you can feel proud about that flag if you want to, I don't care. But don't fly it in the United States.

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States of America,

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if you're going to fly about freedom of speech,

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I have no problem.

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But again,

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it's not an American flag.

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It is not.

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You're absolutely correct.

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It does not belong in this country anymore than the British flag.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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But with freedom,

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with allowing freedom of speech,

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freedom of speech was written to,

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that has no,

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that has no point whatsoever.

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Absolutely does.

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No,

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if you want to fly one at your house,

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It's my freedom of speech to fly a Confederate flight. I'm talking about the government. What does the government have to do with it? The United States government should not be flying a flag for another country. Oh, okay. On government property. Yes, that's all I'm talking about. Okay, well that I will agree with. You can fly a fucking swastika on your house if you want to. Right. You'll probably have it burned down. Yeah. No, I agree with that. I'm simply speaking from a government building perspective.

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I agree there's no reason to fly a country if we are one government if we're one government in the whole United States yes we should all participate in just the American flag or your country flag your your your state flag I should say you know I think it's going too far to go and pull the fucking Dukes of Hazzard off TV because of the general absolutely I fucking love the general they're digging up a Confederate general

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Yeah, that's going too far. I'm saying the United States should not fly a Confederate flag, nor should they fly a British flag or any other fucking country. That I agree with. But in the same breath, I agree with the freedom of speech. I agree with the Constitution. If you want to fly one on your home, more power to you. I don't agree with it. I'm not all like, well, it's a- I understand why people don't like it.

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Right. You know, but obviously I'm not trying to infringe anybody's free speech. That's the thing. Freedom of speech was written to protect those that don't have popular speech. Sure. And I believe Randy Blythe of Lamagata actually brought that up. He's like, you can say whatever or fly whatever you want. It's a fucking free country. But it should not, and this is me speaking, not Randy, it should not fly on an American government building because... I actually agree with you.

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I was expecting to not agree with you on this, but I actually agree with you. A state government should not be flying a Confederate flag. Not at all. But it is every individual's right to fly that Confederate flag if they feel that's what they believe. I can fly a flag out there that says, I love big cocks. Right. That's my right. The rainbow flag that the B's have been flying. Hell yeah. More power to them. You know what?

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A Rainbow Flag, go right ahead. You like taking it in the ass, go right ahead. I don't give a shit. What you do in your own house is not my business as an American. Now, am I going to sit there and take it up the ass? No. No, I'm not. Because I'm not that way. But you want to do it? Go right ahead, man. I don't give two shits what you do in your own house. Alright, we're going to move on now. Yes, we are. There's one last news item before we get into new releases.

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I have one news story. Okay, go for it. And it was not looking at the name one of our Brazilians. Oh, yeah? Who looks so badass. Yeah. But did you hear of the Hexis band member who was arrested for wearing a bullet belt on a bus? Yeah, I did. Say what? Really? Yeah. That's fucked up. You said Texas? Hexis. No, Hexis. Who's Hexis? It's a band. Just somewhere in... It's like not... I don't see where it's at.

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with ammunition on it.

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Yeah, a bullet belt.

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I'll find it.

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Go ahead.

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Unbelievable.

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In the area of Cambridge and Harvard streets.

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Oh, it wasn't there?

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Oh, I didn't know it was there.

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Okay, I'm sorry.

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I thought it was.

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Go ahead.

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Go ahead.

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I'm sorry.

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It was in Boston.

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In Boston.

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Wow.

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So, all the badass guys we see.

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Boston is pretty protective of what they're doing right now.

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They had the Boston bomber not long ago.

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They're just getting over that.

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So you see a guy walking around with an ammunition belt, and you probably have some questions for that guy. Probably. Just to say. Probably. I would assume it's not live ammo. It's probably nothing in it. Yeah, it's probably fake. That's him on a bus with the bullet belt. Probably not smart, because a lot of people, we know there's nothing in it. Right. But for the general public, you can't be too sure. Was he charged with something? Yeah, he was charged. What was he charged with?

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He was charged with unlawful possession of ammunition and a lawful carry dangerous weapon. It was live ammunition he was carrying. Was it? It doesn't say he was live. Well, that you need to find out. If it was live ammunition, dude's got no reason to walk around. But then again, we have the right to bear arms, don't we? We're not even talking about that. I just thought it was funny. No, we're not talking about that. We're not, but we do have the right to bear arms.

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is constitutional americans right yes okay so then why was he charged with anything i'm sorry jay i have to bring up the obvious we tend to overlook the obvious go ahead all right so the last news item i thought this was really fucking cool uh you know like a week or two ago it was shark week on the discovery channel and uh they were filming something

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I don't remember where it was it was probably Australia that's where most of the sharks are in Australia the Discovery Channel crew was trying to they were trying to lure in great white sharks by playing different kinds of music to see if they would you know oh that's neat would come to the music and what they they were surprised to find is that great white sharks enjoy extreme death metal nice the low guttural sounds are similar to the sounds

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of dying animals and so the sharks are attracted to it. Nice. Nice. I was like, metal! Yeah. That's so metal. That is cool. So, I know not to like be listening to my music while I'm in the surf, you know? I don't want to be like munched on. Oh yeah, no doubt. Join the Rays, swimming in the bay.

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All right, let's get into some new releases. We've only got a few of them this week. This is one that we were talking about in the interview with Joel. The new album from Immortal Bird called Empress Abscess. That, of course, is Ray from Woods of Epre and Thrasenblatt. She's a metal badass, so you should definitely check that one out. You know, I like this so much that this could vie for my end-of-the-year list. That's how much I like it. But I'm

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I think the Orchid is an EP too.

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Orchid is an EP. I could play off anything. Go ahead. No, the Immortal Bird, it's five songs. Yeah. That's an EP as far as I'm concerned. The last song's been 10 minutes. 10 minutes, yeah. Good stuff. It's the quantity, not the quality. Exactly. Right. No. Anyway, next up, we've got a band I know Buke is a big fan of, a band called Orchid. They've got a new EP called

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The Witch. Have you checked that out? I have. This is more of what they've done before in the past. Just a real classic vintage. It's every video I've ever watched at your house. It's Sabbath style stuff they do. They just do it well. Right on. Next one is one that I am particularly fond of. The new album from Power Wolf called Blessed and Possessed. Love these guys. Nice. Just got the vinyl of this one. I gotta say this is a good return for them.

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I lost her way a little bit I blood of the Saints is probably my favorite album of them and then their last one something about the preacher something like that or creature I don't but I didn't like it quite as much but right away blessed and possessed really fucking pulled me in and I'm I'm loving that one so check that out about what about it though pulled you it's it's just it's got good hooks amazing musicianship great vocals

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Yeah, it's power metal, so that's the kind of stuff they have. We'll allow it. It's good, though. Yeah, this is the first one I've heard. You guys have talked about it before. Preachers of the Night. Yeah, I did. Yeah, Blood of the Saints. Check that out for sure. And then Blessed and Possessed. I'm just saying, this was the first one I've gotten, and I like it. Excellent. It's a good one. Yeah. Next up is an album that's not out this week, but is going to be out next week. This is the new Lamb of God, Seven, Sturm and Drang. Nice.

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I'm going to listen to that just because it's Lamb of God. Yep. We've already covered this one, so, you know, check it out. We'll see. And finally, the last new release. I haven't really listened to this one yet, but I'm a big fan of their singer, Russell Allen. This is the Symphony X album, Underworld. Nice. Symphony X, man. Yep. You can't go wrong with those guys. I mean, it's Symphony and it's X. It's Symphony.

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And I like symphonies. And I like X. So put them together. And it's like chocolate and peanut butter. Stick those dumb bitches together and we're going to get something. All right. We already did our top three. So we're going to skip over that. What are we listening to?

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I already told you what I'm listening to but I saved one back but who wants to go first? Jay. I'll go first. We talked about every single one of them today so I'm just going to list them. Bellwitch, Nile, new one, Chemist,

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Immortal Bird and Mutoid Man, which I'm totally into right now. All of those are getting pretty much more or less equal plates time from me. Right on. Buke? I have been listening to a lot of this Finnish band. And in fact, I've gone out and bought a couple of their vinyls. I found them. Somebody was selling them cheap on eBay. A band by the name of Kalmah. K-A-L-M-A-H. A Finnish band, yeah, I know that. A Finnish band, yeah. I have been really listening to their most recent album. It came out in 2005.

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13. Seventh Swampany. Yeah, I think I have that one. Yeah, I got it on eBay for $9. So it? Yeah. Awesome. Yeah, they're good. Finish Death Metal Band. Yeah. I seem to recall it vaguely kind of Bodomish. Kind of. A little. Exactly. Yeah. Yep. Really cool band with them. I always listen to Opeth. I mean, Ghost Rapperies, Deliverance. I always listen to Opeth. I just love Opeth.

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I've also been getting into Pagan's Mind. What's their name? I can't remember their name, but another band. Another band. All right. There's another band in there. Pagan's Mind. No, yeah, Pagan's Mind, Opeth. I just, I listen to anything good, really. Right on. Well, I pretty much listed everything in the frickin' world earlier, but I did reserve one new release that I am listening to.

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and I've already mentioned it is the new Children of Bodom album I Worship Chaos. It's fucking killer. You know, when that comes out shortly, definitely check that out. Classics! You want to go first again, Jay? I do. You know, I've been on the pod for a while now, and I've never mentioned this band once, and I would

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I'd say they're one of my top ten favorite bands of all time. Borderline metal, but definitely a hard rock band. And this record just turned 20 years old, and it is Monster Magnet Dopes to Infinity. Yeah, I love me some Monster Magnet. Yeah, and that's a great record, and it's 20 years old, if you can fucking believe that. So, that's my classic this week. Good stuff. Right on. Puke? Our classic. This album, I'm surprised, and I did some research because I didn't want to have a double. I didn't want to say something we have said.

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We really need to start making a list of these things. If anybody out there is a listener who would like to go through and document what each of the top threes, classics, and stuff like that that we've put on the show, it would be an immense help. Because every time we go to do this, I'm like, fuck, did we already talk about this one? We haven't. Blind Guardian, Imaginations from the Other Side. Imaginations from the Other Side. That's a good album. That's an amazing album.

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That's probably my favorite Blind Guardian. They're on tour later this year. It's their best album. You and I share that opinion. Yeah. How we haven't talked about it, I don't know. And I can't believe again, that's another one that's 20 years old. That's crazy. I know. It's fucking insane. One that I could not believe is 21 years old, and I'm going to take this in a bit of a darker direction. Fucking Mayhem, De Mysteries Dom Satanus. Wow. Nice.

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Like, probably the black metal album that everybody's like, oh yeah, I like Mayhem. You know. I own this album just because it is. I own this because people that listen to metal listen to this. Yeah, well, I happen to really like the album. And I was listening to it again after I decided to choose it for this week. And I was like, you know, it's funny because people are like, oh yeah, you know, the early black metal bands like Mayhem and Dark Throne and stuff like that.

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And you know it's funny because this album the day mysteries Dom Satanus is

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Recorded actually pretty well

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It is a lot better sounding than most fucking black metal albums its vocals

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That's not dead. That's Attila

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Really? Yeah, dad was dead when this came out

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I'm just fucking with you. No it till has got some strange vocals

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But the fact it remains that the production on this album is better than a lot of the

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stereotypical, overly reverbed black metal productions that you hear then and now. To be perfectly honest, I don't think a lot of people actually really copied this sound too much. The sound that everybody copied was the early Dark Thrones. A Blaze in the Northern Sky, Under a Funeral Moon, and Transylvanian Hunger are pretty much the epitome of that black metal sound that everybody seems to be copying.

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Yeah. And while I love Dark Throne, I fucking hate all the people, not all of them, but some of them, that copy this style. And I know Buk hates it. But isn't that what music is? Just copying somebody you've already heard? A lot of it. A lot of it. The majority of it. But the Mayhem album, the Mysteries Dom Satanus, is really pretty fucking classic. It is, dude. Good call, George. I'm glad you pulled that one because, like you said, I'm surprised that maybe it hasn't come up before.

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That's a really good record, dude. It really is. And it's got a lot of weird, totally weird history around it. It's the beginning of a movement, really. So, yeah. Yeah, and the fact that, you know, it's considered the beginning of a movement, but a lot of people didn't really use this style. It's a very raw style. There's no keyboards, and it's not particularly ethereal. Yeah, it's really trebly. Yeah, it's just buzzsaw guitars and some goofy-ass fucking vocals, and it's fucking evil, but, you know, I don't know. It's weird that...

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All Metalheads Just Listen to Metal. I'm going to list mine. It's Led Zeppelin, The Doors, Jimi Hendrix, and that's because they led the way for metal. If you listen to any metal song, you can listen and hear that songs that have been created by these guys are being played to this day. Yeah. Go ahead, Jay. That's the way influences work.

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Jay's got something to say. No, no. They're under the influences. I don't speak sign language. I'm just having fun with the camera. Oh, hey. Give me a B. That may be George's greatest line ever. And it's probably going to be. You better keep it in. Let's move on to our vinyl acquisitions.

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All right, so Jay, what do you got for a vinyl this time? I got a pretty big list. I'm going to read through it, but there's a couple I got to say some stuff about. So first of all, just for lots of different reasons, picked all these up this week or last few weeks. Black Sabbath, Paranoid, didn't have that. ACDC for those about to rock, which by the way, sounds killer on a reissued vinyl. Doesn't it? Trollfest. Yeah, it really sounds great. Trollfest, Broom Blabossin, which was cool because apparently that band does their own mail order and they sent me like a signed postcard and a guitar pick with the rest of the time.

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I got both of the Mutoid man albums, Bleeder and Helium Head.

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Just talking about Monster Magnet, I just got Monster Magnet, Milking the Stars, which is basically a reimagining.

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Yeah, and it really is, by the way. It's a very interesting, very good record.

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I got King Diamond, Abigail Live.

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Sweet.

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And I just got two, and I got Motorhead, Orgasmatron, and then I got two what I would call proto-metal records, you know, stuff.

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I got Fleetwood Mac live in Boston which is old Fleetwood Mac Peter Green and it's got you know what do you call it green metal leash on it and stuff really highly recommended to people who are into the roots of metal and I also picked up MC5 kick out the jams which is a great fucking record now finally I just take I have to distract you guys to the camera people at home can't see this but I finally got this in the mail and this is the most dude such a beautiful package look it's got a black slip this is sulfur eon

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Gateway to the Anthosphere. It's got a black slipcover. Look at the fucking artwork on this thing, man. I was actually just looking at that online yesterday because I was going to buy it. Comes with a poster. This is a lyric book. Comes with a poster. And then there's like a super kick-ass etching on the last record. I'm telling you, not going to be a nicer package this year. I got your nicer package right here. And what'd you get?

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Recently, since we've done the podcast last, I found a King Diamond that I used to found Bullthrower Mercenary. Lamb of God, Sacrament. Finally, I got my hands on Bloodbath, their EP on Blessing to Purity. Thanks, George, looking out for me. Hell yeah. I got a King Diamond Conspiracy reissue. Got a couple of cheap $2 buys. Van Halen, Fair Warning. Van Halen, Van Halen 2. Those are both $2 each.

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This was 50 cents. Poison, open up and say ah. Hey, you paid too much for that. Hey, you have to have it. I know, I'm giving you shit. Monolorde, Veneer. Veneer. Veneer, however you want to fucking say it. I want to fucking, that's another thing if people want to go back and make a little compilation of audio based on the podcasts, go through and find all the words that Buk said wrong. I didn't call.

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You can have an hour of me saying, I'm on a mark. You can have a whole separate cast. Last episode, and I didn't call you out on it because I was probably not as with it as I should have been, the Shape of Despair album, he called it Monotony Fields. It's monotony. I don't mean to bust your balls, but it's funny. I'm laughing with you, not at you.

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I was like Monotony. Monotony is like Black Sabbath. There's one Tony in Black Sabbath. It's Monotony. But otherwise it's Monotony. He's not laughing at you, but I'm laughing directly at you. I got Metallica S&M. I love that album. Yeah, it's great. And finally, trying to finish off, I have studio albums for Opeth finished. But I finally got there.

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Opeth in live concert at Royal Albert Hall. Yeah, that's a good one. Whoa, hey, hold on there. I'm a little crushed, Buke. There's no way you didn't get at least one copy of a vinyl record today. I got Jungle Rot today, Terror Regime. You're welcome. From Jay. Fuck yes, I did. Jay's the man. I love Jungle Rot. I don't hear a lot of talk about them, but they keep churning out albums. Yep, they do. All right, so George's like, yeah, they do, and it still sucks.

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So my vinyl acquisitions this time, as I already mentioned, I got the new Power Wolf, Blessed and Possessed. Excellent. I also picked up the new High on Fire, Luminiferous, which, love it or fuck off. I also got the new Valkyrie album also. Yep, I got that. That's on my list too, the Valkyrie Shadows. I got the 25-year limited edition silver relapse version. Nice. That's the most epic version.

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It is the most epic version. I also got Bastard Sapling's second album, Instinct is Forever. As soon as I heard that shit on the beach, I ordered that on Discogs right away. I was waiting for me when I got home. I also picked up the Lord Dying Poisoned Altars album. I ordered that on Bandcamp. Fucking killer album. It's funny, we sort of skipped over this, but my current number one album of the year, the one that I wasn't allowed to talk about on the last episode,

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is the new Between the Buried and Me album, Coma Ecliptic. This album is fucking amazing. He didn't let you talk about it? No, no. It was because it didn't come out until after the episode. I had the promo, so I heard it, but I didn't want it included in the list because it wasn't out yet. Oh, I gotcha. I was holding my legs together like I had to pee. I wanted to talk about it so badly.

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done in the past and yet it is pretty damn awesome it's there it's there the wall or the dark side of the moon or any other like timeless epic album it is really good and part of why what sold me it started off and i was like yeah all right that's different and then it what i think of it as a combination of bt bam between the buried and me themselves combined with a little pink floyd only from the storytelling aspect

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My Chemical Romance, oddly enough, the Black Parade album, for the theatrical aspect of it, and then fucking Voivit. Voivit? Yes, because in the title song and, what the hell is it called, Dim Ignition, there's all this stuff where it's kind of like staccato, like, dun-dun, dun-dun, dun-dun, dun-dun, dun-dun,

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And it's very voivet. I mean, he sings it better than Snake ever did. But I swear there's got to be a voivet influence in there. If not, then it's uncanny. There's a couple songs on there that it's very voivet. And to me, that was the clincher. I fucking love this. Nice. Yeah. I like it too, by the way. You guys turned me on to this, and I'm into this record. It's really good. I think they're going to catch a lot of hell because of how different it is. But fuck them. I don't care.

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Right now, this is number one for the year. Yeah, great. And my final vinyl acquisition, courtesy of Mr. J, my 1349th album in my collection from 1349, Beyond the Apocalypse. I really hope you didn't keep from buying vinyl while you were waiting for that, but I like being a part of your life that way, so yeah, definitely do. Yeah, when J found out that I was nearing that number, he insisted on picking this up for me so that it could be

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my 1349th album. And as luck would have it, it arrived right after my 1348th. So that was perfect. I am back to buying vinyl now, but I documented it. It's up on the Facebook page. Oh yeah, I saw it. So thank you very much, sir. Not at all. I was telling George that I also bought him a copy of 10,000 Days, but he's not going to get that obviously for quite a while. Oh, I'm motivated now. Yeah, you're going to get rolling, dude.

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I'm going to go out and just buy a shit ton of dollar ones.

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There's plenty out there.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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So next up, we've got a new segment for you that Jay came up with.

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I'll let Jay talk about it.

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Yeah, I'll be brief.

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You know, I just feel like, well, as metal fans, there's always, especially like when

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I was a kid, but even now, people would come up to me and they'd be, you know, as other

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metal fans or friends and stuff, people who didn't really know heavy metal, they'd be like,

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hey, do you like Judas Priest, man?

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And then they would say something about another thing coming. You know what I mean? It's sort of like, come on, dude. You're not really a metal fan is what you're telling me. But my point is there are a lot of great classic records out there that have what I call deep cuts on them, songs that are deep in the record that people may not know about or don't pay attention to. And so we're going to pick one every week. We're all going to pick. It doesn't have to be a well-known record, but just in some cases I think it will be.

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what I mean. My first one is off of Ozzy Osbourne's Diary of a Madman. Most people would think of Flying High Again off of that or Over the Mountain. Fine. Those are good songs or whatever. But one of my favorite Ozzy songs of all time is on that record. It's called S-A-T-O. Such a good fucking song. One of my favorite Ozzy songs and it's the epitome of the deep cut. I always forget about that one. It's great, right? Yeah, because it's like back in the day it was on the second side of the tape. And you know, you wanted to listen to

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The title track, which is a great song.

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Right, right.

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And I should also say, Buke, what I meant to say was, it's the epitome of a deep cut.

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It's the epitome.

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So that's mine, and that's a good way to inaugurate this. Let's see what you boys got.

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Bukey?

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This is off of Judas Priest's fourth studio album, Stained Class. This is a track that I fucking love. It's not a heavy one at all. But this is track number eight, Beyond the Realms of Death. As a matter of fact, a lot of people agree with you because they pulled that out and are doing that live the last couple of tours. I fucking love Rob Halford singing on this song. I think it spotlights him and his vocal abilities. Amazing.

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It's just a real simple song. That's on a Greatest Hits album. I'm not knocking it off. I didn't know that. That was where I had trouble with this. I thought it was a great idea. Then I started trying to think of stuff. From my perspective, if it's a song I love, I assume everybody loves it. I won't know. Maybe it's a deep cut. I didn't know this was on the Greatest Hits. I've never heard you talk about this. It's like on the Metalworks.

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That's because you, George, though, trust me, you're deep cuts. A lot of people don't listen to the records why we listen to records. A lot of guys do, and a lot of guys don't. So actually, I'm going to put a sample of approval on Bukes, because most people would think of that record for Exciter and a couple of the other tunes on it. Oh, sure. I'm not knocking it. I was just bringing up the fact that I had a little bit of trouble with this. I didn't think I was going to. But Jay, do you like this song, though? I've got to tell you, actually, Bukes, I'm glad we're talking about it, because that's my favorite

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I love that song it's a great fucking song I hear what you're saying George so which makes me all the more interested to hear yours well mine's mine's kind of a want want want cop out because I was I was questioning everything that I came up with and I just ran out of time but I did choose a track that I really like that it seems like nobody else likes and it has always bothered me and and just confused me as to why they never play the

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song live. In fact, the band apparently hates the song, but I love this song. From their second album, Metallica, Ride the Lightning, the song is called Escape. Oh, no, that's a great example, dude. That's perfect. It's a great example. I fucking love that song. How it like fucking completely changes like three quarters of the way through and it just goes into this boom, you know, bring the hammer down, you know. I fucking love that. And they hate it, you're right. They hate it. But that's,

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George you couldn't have done better because that's like I mean everybody

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would tell you creepy death and shit. They played it a couple years ago at the Orion Fest and I think that may have been. Yeah I read that they hated the song and I was like why I love this I mean I realize it's kind of compared to the rest of the album it's maybe a little more commercial sounding. Escape currently holds the record for going the longest without being played in its entirety live within all songs written by Metallica with 27 years 10 months and 28 days being played. But I'm happy

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to go on record and say I love that song. And yeah, dude, it doesn't get much deeper than that, George. Okay, so I accidentally picked a good one. On their wiki, Metallica themselves have a strong dislike for the song as do some of their diehard fans. One reason may be the fact that its structure and sound isn't very typical of a thrash metal song, nor are the catchy chorus and simple guitar hooks. But the lyrics are so cool, man. Escape has a mainstream sound reminiscent of Metallica's post.

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"Life's For My Own" to live my own way. I mean, come on. You know, I was a teenager and I was like, "Yeah, life's for my own to live my own way." Fuck yeah, Metallica! Yeah, and it makes that record more interesting. That's just what I'm talking about, man. There's a lot of bands even though are like that. They kind of distance themselves from some of the really cool things that happen in their various records. No, that's a great fucking song. So, George is the metal fan at that Metallica show in 2012 at the Orion Fest when they played it?

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Finally! George is the guy whose head is fucking exploding because it's being fucking played. That's the definition of a deep track. Okay, boys. Wow. Fucking great day. This is a pretty long episode as well. But we haven't done one in a couple weeks.

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If you've been hankering for some Metalheads podcast and you haven't had it, break it up in little chunks, do an hour a week. I will not be here next week, but the week after that we can do one. So hold on to this one for an extra week. But yeah, this was a great episode. I was so happy to get together with everybody. It was a great interview with Joel from Thrasenblatt. If you haven't heard these guys yet, you definitely need to know what to do.

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to check them out. They are absolutely one of my favorite bands. And I cannot recommend them enough. Cool. It's good to talk metal again, boys. Yes, it is. Before we go, anything else? Anybody? Just thank you again for Jay and George, us getting back together. Right on. All right. So before we go, make sure you check us out on Facebook. Check us out on Twitter, Instagram. We're on YouTube. We're on Stitcher. And of course, you can listen to us on MetalheadsPodcast.com.

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I've been neglecting to talk about this but I made a point of wanting to talk about it this time I am begging you to go on iTunes and give us some reviews we love all the interaction that we've been getting with people lately it fucking it it fucking it makes our day dude it makes our day it makes our day to hear from people and it's kind of slightly embarrassing how pathetic our iTunes reviews are like there's like three of them I think so if you could do us a favor and go out there

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and hit up the iTunes and leave us some reviews. Because that's how iTunes is what most people use for podcasts. Yeah. Please leave us a review. Even if you don't use iTunes, it'll help us. If you want more of this, well, we're going to do it anyway. But, you know, we'd really like to be able to get this out to more people. And the more people that review it, the more people will see it. So we would desperately appreciate it if you would go out and write a review. Even if it's to tell us we fucking suck. Just something to get it on there. So,

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Pessoas, eu vou fazer um vídeo, eu vou fazer um contato em breve,

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You cannot beat that, and we will work out how we get in touch with each other when you get up there. All right. So do it. Get your free Catatonic Society. Damn. All right. We are about to call it a day, but before we go, we've got another little segment for you with Joel from Thrasenblatt. He is going to talk a little bit about the last song that we're going to play, and so we'll get into that now, and we will talk to you next time. All right. Here we are at the end of the episode, and as we usually

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We're going to send you off with a song. This is another song from Thrasenblatt, from their Wanderer on the Continent of Saplings. This is the song called Song of the Nihilist. Joel, can you give us a little more insight into this one? Sure. Yeah, so this is kind of, I mentioned earlier that the whole album ends up following sort of the monomyth, which is to give everybody else sort of who hasn't heard of that. It's basically the plot structure that, you know, Joseph Campbell mentioned that all,

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Pretty much all myth sort of follows. Anyway, George Lucas used it for Star Wars. Yeah. To bring it all back, right here, the song of the Nihilists is tough to have a boss battle in music, but this is sort of like the wanderer meeting the big villain or whatever, that sort of thing. The Nihilist. The Nihilist. Mega Man level one, three, yes, let's do it. Exactly. And so it's sort of turning, the first half of the song is pretty,

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I mean, that's probably some of the most depressing lyrics I've ever heard in my life. And then the second half of it turns all around in the Nihilist's face. So yeah, it's a pretty, I really like this tune. That's why it brought tears to my eyes yesterday. I was like, and to take it back to the Star Wars reference for the Monomyth, it's like, like you said, the first half of the song is the bad guy. And then the second half of the song is the good guy sort of turning it around. And it's like, it's like Han Solo swooping

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in at the end of Star Wars to ding Darth Vader so Luke can blow up the Death Star. It's that whole "Yes!" moment, you know, where you just kind of tear up a little bit because you're like, "Yes!" And that's the way I felt. Thanks so much. You get it. That's fantastic. That's awesome. All right. Well, we're going to thank Joel once again and we'll play the song and we'll see you next time.

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The Nihilist followed me along my path, the Nihilist spoke to me. You've come so far, a wanderer, only to fall to me. I am the Nihilist, I will tell you of this world. I am the Nihilist, I will shatter your world.

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Nothing is forever, the whole story of you. Nothing you'd never ever died inside the shadow. No look to the mirror, no look to the door. I'll let you see, I have nothing in the world. You've come so far, a wanderer, with such a burden in two. It will all end in madness.

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This you must surely know Is every step not a mountain Does the wind not come to the soul It will all end in sadness Why endeavor at all? Nothing lives forever But the whole thing you are Nothing you will never Shines like a shower Look to the mirror Look to the door

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I will reach the same way the one day beyond

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I felt the decay in his words But it flit off of me like mountain snow I've been here before Before I'd taken off the earth Before I'd taken off the cause When I myself had burned down to smoldering ash Before I'd taken off the earth Before I'd taken off the cause When I myself had burned down

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From the white eye curls at the base of my soul I think the celestial

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Though the givings of tire heave a fellow under fire Stoats my dying heart

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Listen to me, you're my liars I will tell you what I have seen of this world I've been through my steps in my time

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Celebrate!

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What little time there is to exist

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A vibrant light burns to those around us

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Nothing lasts forever

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To the black hole into the star

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Look into the mirror

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In the black hole that you are

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Every step of the mountain

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Enjoy the fucking view

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See the miles you travel

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Stretching out below you

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If nothing is forever, then we are in charge All that we endeavor is all of who we are Life is turning chaos, life is roaring fire All that we endeavor is all of who we are