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Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, metal's my religion, and yeah, it's my soul. Standing in the thunder on stage in the pouring metal rain. What a feeling, baby, the lights are exploding.

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And I don't need my gun. Metal's my religion.

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Yeah, it's my toy.

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It saves me from the politics, baby.

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Metal's my religion.

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Hello and welcome back to MetalDisciple.com's Metalheads Podcast. My name is George. And I'm Buke. And boy, did we just have an interesting time or what? Yes, we did. We literally just got off the phone with Brian Slagle from Metal Blade Records. He gave us an incredible interview that we're going to be playing for you here in a little bit. About an hour worth. Yep, just about an hour. So it's going to be a mega huge episode. Amazing, guys. We asked him everything from...

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We asked him everything from hockey to metal to what happened to this band, that band, to current Metal Blade stuff. The current scene of metal, it was a great interview. Such a nice guy and such a huge and influential guy. He doesn't want to admit it, but come on. He has been such a huge part of metal over the last 30 years. It's ridiculous. It is truly an honor to speak with him and have him on our show.

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Would you say he was a defining metal fanboy? What do you mean? Back in the day that when he put out that, those first, you know, as we use the term mixtape now, you know, he was putting out those metal massacre releases. You know, they were just mixtapes in the sense that he was putting out. Kind of, yeah. Yeah. Jumpstarting band careers. Yeah. I mean, Metallica. Hello. Ridiculous. Good stuff. So we'll get to that in a little bit. It's early on in some of the episodes.

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I used to give you a count on how many countries we have listeners in. And I had to stop doing that because the statistics that I use for the podcast, once it got to 25 countries, it just cut off. It was like 25 countries and others. And it wouldn't tell me how many there were or who they were or anything like that. Well, apparently they've changed how things work now because I just happened to go in there and look at the report for how many countries we've got. And it blew my mind.

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I've been, you know, my wife asked me this the other day if she knew our stats or any countries or anything. 55 countries. What? We have listeners in 55 countries. What? So thank you very much to all of you metal fans around the world who have given us a listen. You're bringing a tear to my eye. Thanks. That's amazing. This little basement podcast. Metal is such a global thing, man. It's a beautiful, beautiful thing.

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And we truly appreciate every single one of you that tunes in to listen to this. Now, George, I can sit here and try and name 55 countries. I considered going through the list just to give everybody their props, but I'm like, really, who wants to listen to 55? You'll be in the notes. You'll be in the podcast notes. Yeah. So, you know, I want to, on that topic, I wanted to put out there, to all the indie metal bands out there, all the unsigned bands in garages, you can send us your music.

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And obviously we have to like it. But if we like it, we'll be more than happy to put you on the indie band segment. We love to get, you know, bands from all around the world and put them on this show. Talk about exposure. Yes, exactly. You know, I like to expose you. You know, that's the biggest thing that gets me off about doing the website and the podcast is telling people about bands that maybe they haven't heard before. It's just, you know, spreading the word, keeping metal alive.

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So, you know, if you're out there, some small corner, far away corner of the world, far from the United States corner anyway, hit us up with your music. You know, you can email us at george at wearemetalheads.com. And buke? Buke at wearemetalheads.com. Or head us up on the Facebook page, Twitter, whatever. But, you know, let us know you're out there. And again, we're now on Instagram. George is posting some great vinyl pictures at Metal Heads Pod. There's a podcast. Podcast. Okay. Metal Heads Podcast. Speaking of vinyl, I mentioned that I think it was on the last episode.

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when we went to the Soundgarden in Baltimore, and I picked up several Nick Cave albums on vinyl. I remember I looked over my shoulder, and you were digging, and you listed something up, and you were like, hmm? Yeah. I'm a big Nick Cave fan. And yesterday, I put on the Boatman's Call vinyl, you know, put it on there gently, closed it, hit the on button, and it started playing. And it was, I've heard it for years on CD, and particularly on MP3. And the conversation we had last week about

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Uncompressed versus MP3. It just drove that point home. The first song on the album, Into My Arms, it was like the voice of God. It sounded like he was in the room with me. It was so full and rich and clear. It just blew me away. And I was like, this, this here is why I listen to vinyl. That's sweet. That was the first time you had heard Nick Cave on vinyl? Yeah. Well, actually, no, that's not true. I do have a couple other ones, but this is one of my favorite albums by him.

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So you mentioned something about the Metal Sucks article about horrible sales figures or something? Yeah. That was a news story that no album this year, no artist has gone platinum. That's amazing. Amazing. Amazing. In a bad way. Amazing in a bad way.

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With country artists, with country music supposedly being popular, with pop music always being popular. I don't know who's big in pop music right now, but to not sell a million albums is staggering. Yeah, well, I think it was the Metal Sucks podcast that mentioned that Beyonce had the biggest selling album at like 700,000, and comparatively, like Lamb of God, it sold like 250,000, which, you know, compared to, on a popularity level, that's,

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You would think Beyonce being so much more well-known and popular around the world that that number would be vastly larger than Lamb of God. And yet Lamb of God gets into the ballpark with Beyonce. So it's a good thing for metal, I think, because it shows that metal, no matter what, stays strong. And the pop music, meh, whatever. And the reason why I wanted to, I texted you earlier in the week and why I wanted to bring this up is I wanted to give a nod to Chuck from the Metalheads podcast here and say, I really agree with him here.

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this, because I wanted to save it for the podcast, to the average listener, try and justify to them going on iTunes and buying an album for nine bucks, or justify that Spotify subscription for nine bucks, where you have access to everything. Well, that's the thing. You know, I was listening to them talk about that on their podcast. And that's a topic that totally, I was sitting there, I was like, yeah. But not really. Because Spotify- Take us out of it. Take a you and I out of it.

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Okay. Take the average listener who's probably sitting at home, sitting in a dorm room, sitting at school, maybe driving in their car to and from work. Sure. And I can understand why that is the way to go for those people. But those are the same people that are listening to compressed MP3 files on crappy Apple earbuds. They are the majority, unfortunately. But at the same time, metal fans are showing that we want more and expect more and we care more about our music.

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than the average music listener. I have a Spotify account. I use it as my backup for when I don't have something on my phone. But the problem is, while Spotify does have a pretty decent metal selection, I listen to a lot of really obscure stuff. I listen to a lot of unsigned bands. They just don't have a complete... I could not rely on Spotify to get by. They just don't have all the things that I want to listen to. Yes, but the obscure metal bands aren't getting hooked.

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or thousands of plays? No. That slug doom band we listened to. Slugge. Yeah. I love those guys. That's awesome. If those guys are getting 500 plays, they're probably lucky. Again, that's not talking bad about them. That's just saying that's how obscure they are. Right. It doesn't make a difference. Physical, digital, they're just not getting listens. Right. And so I'm just saying that, you know, while Spotify is an okay backup to have on hand, I really much prefer

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to have my own physical or at least digital copies of things so that I can access them when I want them where I want them I'm still waiting around for a service that has everything that lets me connect to my music collection to stream my music collection to my phone whenever I want to and if I don't have an internet connection I can I can download it like you would with Spotify over the years you've sent me a couple startups that have remember we thought they're they're gonna be that yeah there's

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There's been a few, but I haven't found one that's really worked all that well. Subsonic is the one I've been using lately, and it just never connects. I can't get to my stuff. And because so many people are just going to use Spotify instead, nobody's probably ever going to get me that program that I'm looking for. The real hardcore music fans, you just got to make do with what you can. But the discussion here that they were having is that this article was talking about, is that's not the music.

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industry now. No, but we aren't the music industry. Metal is apart from the music industry. It is a part of the music industry, and yet it is apart from. Like, even Brian Slagle's bands are on a different tier than those obscure bands who you want to listen to. Sure. So, there's no... I just came away from this interview. Again, it solidified my point that the average listener doesn't care. Yeah. Period. No. They want access. The term that comes to mind is spoiled.

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That's the way the people are about everything. It's not just music. It's they want everything now. They want can they want to go on Netflix. They want seasons one through six every episode dead Kennedy's give me convenience or give me death. Yeah, they want everything right right away. Yeah, and that's how music is now the music industry is not going to pull out from this. It's not just no good. There's not gonna be a fix to this in the sense that they're not going to turn this around sales wise. Yeah, how do you how do you come out from this? Well, like Brian was just saying in

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the music industry has to adapt and find new ways of generating revenue.

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You know, there's always a way.

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It's just you have to find the way that works.

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You know, digital music in the MP3 is not the death blow to the music industry.

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It's certainly a virus that has, you know, infected and diseased the music industry, but it won't wipe it out.

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There's, you know, somebody will come up with a way to make it work, and eventually things will balance. Obviously, it's unlikely that things will be the way they used to be, where you had the excess rock star, what have you, you know, and the big glamour and flashy and throwing money everywhere. Those days are probably over, but in terms of a balance where artists can make a living and the labels can make a living, it'll equalize eventually. Either that or a wall fucked.

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CD sales like DVD sales are going to keep going down. Yeah. And vinyl sales keep going up. Yeah. Not enough to keep anybody, you know, putting food on the table, but. Be honest. At that, the number for vinyl sales is still percentile. Small. Yeah. They said it's gone up 50%, but that 50% of jack shit is still jack shit. So. So that's, that's where we're at. The music industry right now. But let me ask you something. An interesting question.

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Do you think metal cares? In the sense that, yes, no one's platinum. But aside from these big metal artists, no metal artist is platinum-ing anyway. Right. Well, I mean, artists used to get platinum albums. You know, few of them anyway, in terms of metal. But it just brings the median level down for everybody.

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You know making a million dollars before they're making 250,000 now people making 250,000 before they're making 50,000 now those that were making 50,000 now aren't making anything so it's tough but you know it's got it's got it's either it's got to equalize at some point or the whole thing's just gonna cave in but again like like to bring it back home what Chuck brought up the music industry right now is and I totally agree for agree there's no reason to buy something when you can have access to everything

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Nope. Not for us. I'm saying not for us. To my wife who listens to shit music. She does. I tell her all the time. Even though she's not home, she hasn't bought anything since she was in sync back in high school. Yeah. She doesn't care about buying anything. But if she pays that $9 a month and she can stream and bounce around from this track, from this artist, this track here. That's why you got to add value. You got to, you know, do something that

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makes people want to invest more in it.

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The vinyl.

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I don't know.

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If I knew the answer, I would be like, hey, let's do this and save the industry.

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But there's got to be other ways to make money.

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But that's where I think us as metal fans are different.

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To us, the value is in the music.

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Now, hold on my hand.

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The value is in the music as a product itself.

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Sure.

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It's in track one through ten.

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That's the value.

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To my wife, hey, it's just three minutes of a song. So let them kill their pop stars off. Next thing you know, the top 200 is going to be all metal. Yes. Yes. Because we'll be the ones standing there at the end going, hey, we supported our artists. We have. We have. Yeah. Luckily, people like you and I, we don't make any money doing this, so it doesn't hurt us at all. If anybody wants to sponsor us, please. Yeah, we'd love to make some money doing this, but we have yet to see any. So I kind of wanted to segue into something.

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that I think it was actually the Jamie Josta podcast was talking about when he was interviewing Eddie Trunk which my god that was a cool podcast it's his podcast I told you that it's great isn't it I will give you credit Buke has been a hardcore hate breed fan for years for thank you and I have been a me hate this is going back to early 2000 I've never disliked hate breed you know I hardcore has just never been my thing it's not that I don't like it it just doesn't

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It doesn't hold my interest very long because it's not care because you can't handle the pit no it's not terribly dynamic and not at all you know but I will give Jamie Josta props after I've been listening to his podcasts for a few weeks now and I've been listening to all his albums now because I'm like he's so cool I gotta listen to his music and let me tell you while hardcore does not necessarily have a lot of dynamic range a with a with a name like hate breed that of course he keeps talking about how much negativity they get because

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of it. Yeah. There was someone on news. Remember months back, they were being branded as like a skinhead hate band? Yeah. But his lyrics are so uplifting and empowering that I'm like, hell yeah, this is me, Bree. All right. And so I've really been enjoying his music and his podcast, too. And like I said, it's not fair. He has music and a podcast. But anyway, getting back on point, he was interviewing Eddie Trunk, and they were talking about Avenged Sevenfold and Five Finger Death Punch as like,

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Gateway Bands. You know, we, a lot of metal fans, serious, hardcore, true cult metal fans, probably rag on bands like Avenged Sevenfold and Five Finger Death Punch. I've done it. You've probably done it. And we feel like that's okay. And whatever, you know, your musical taste is what your musical taste is. However, they made a good point that people got to start somewhere. You know, the kids coming up, they're not going to jump right into Cannibal Corpse. They're not going to be like, oh, yeah, I like,

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Yeah, Justin Bieber, I'm like 12, and then like 13 years old, I'm looking for something a little harder. Let's see. Cannibal Corpse? No. No. They need a gateway. And so as much as we might despise bands, like they were talking about on the Metal Sucks podcast, Avenged Sevenfold and the whole Metallica Guns N' Roses ripoff thing. But Avenged Sevenfold, they're bringing the kids in, they're putting the butts in the seats, and even if we are like, we hate those small metal kids, some percentage of those kids spin off into

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something a little heavier. Like Slipknot. Like Snipknot. And they work their way up. And I actually, I didn't have a chance to flush this out because I just thought about it in the car in the morning today. This is like metal ecosystem of how you progress from a beginner to a seasoned metalhead. And I related it to the level of drugs. Not perhaps the most positive way, but again, this was just something I thought of while I was driving.

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This is from George's personal experience. No. You know, you've got a band like Avenged Sevenfold, and that's like a kid who's experimenting with smoking, okay? And they're like, yeah, puff, puff, puff. Okay, Avenged Sevenfold. So not inhaling? That's kind of cool. And then from there, they move up a little bit. Maybe they try weed, and they're like, hmm, five-finger death punch. That's a little heavier than the cigarette. I like that. You know?

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And that leads to something heavier. Next thing you know, they're dropping acid and it's listening to something heavier than that. But who is that acid band? Emperor? That's what I didn't have time to flush out one for each level. I was like, this is acid. This is cocaine. Finally, you're like me. You're at the crack heroin level where you're listening to the weirdest shit. The most underground, obscure stuff. You just got the needle in your arm and you're just so out of it.

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Yeah, I'm like, I can't get off on my metal unless I'm listening to the weirdest, most obscure underground Russian black metal crazy stuff. It's a one-man project. He has three antloggers. He has an arm and two legs missing. Yeah, and it's just like, you know, but like you said, you got to start somewhere. Maybe that's a horrible, you know, bad way of looking at it. No, you gave me crap for years because Pantel

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was my gateway drug in a sense using your drug reference and but you know but you always said that pantera was that redneck oh pantera you know it always annoyed me that all the you know white small town jock football player guys were like i like pantera and that was like that was their thing and they didn't really know anything about metal they were just like trying to be cool because it was heavy and i feel walk a couple of times and i feel the same way about hate breed i look at hate breed fans and i'm like okay i like

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the music but their fans they're a bunch of fucking more I'm just kidding I'm just kidding but they look like people that would annoy me except me except well they look just like you that's the thing you are the small-town football player hillbilly boy it's like I like pantera I like hate breed but you know I I'm not trying to insult pantera or hate breed fans it was just that that's a good point for me it was like okay yeah yeah whatever you like metal sure you do you like that

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and that's it. And so it was a little condescending is probably the best way to look at it. I'm like, why don't you listen to some real metal? That is real metal, but why don't you listen to some more metal than just that? See, but the thing is that you have to listen to those bands because if you start with the cannibal corpse, right, you're just like, ooh. I remember I went over to my friend's house. I was like, I told you on episode one, I went over to my friend's house. Sophomore year in high school, he put on bolt thrower. This is before I listened to metal. He put on bolt thrower. I said, what the fuck is this? Yeah.

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Yeah. So, you know, obviously we have to keep in mind, even though we're more seasoned and we know a lot about metal, people got to start somewhere. And so you have, whether you like it or not, you have to kind of accept that these bands exist to get other people into it. And I was listening to the Jamie Josta podcast with Ivan Moody. And I had kind of been, I'd kind of fallen out of love with Five Finger Death Punch with their third album, American Capitalist.

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I've listened to them since. I really liked their first album,

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Way of the Fist. Second album, War is the Answer.

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I liked it, but not quite as much.

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American Capitalist, I hated it.

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And I listened to it again today to be sure,

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and I was like, the production just wasn't all that good.

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The songs were just kind of mediocre,

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and so I was like, bah, Five Finger Death Punch, whatever.

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And then I listened to their new two-part album,

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And I'm like, okay, this is, I'm falling back in love with the band now. The production was much better. The songs were better. And whatever you say, you got to admit that Ivan Moody has got an incredible voice. He does a really good hardcore, you know, but at the same time, he can sing like a mother and he's got an incredibly distinct, clean vocal voice. You hear Ivan Moody singing clean and you're like, that's Ivan Moody. There's no question about it. You know it. So. I can't speak on that.

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Yeah, because I haven't listened to a hard rock band like I would consider Five Finger Death Punch, too, since Seven Dust. Nah, it's nowhere even near. I mean, Seven Dust doesn't even come close. Really? That shows you how disconnected I am, then. You know, Five Finger Death Punch does some cleaner ballady-type songs that are probably the ones that are getting on the radio and getting them the attention. But then they still do some really heavy stuff, like Dot Your Eyes and some other songs that are just like, wow, well, you know, they're still

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doing some really heavy stuff. They're not just like, oh, we're just going to do ballads now. So I'm back on their side again. So I hear you've been cheating on me with hockey. Yeah, I, for any, as you're hearing the Slagle pod, sorry, in the Slagle interview, I also help out with a blog at TalkTheRed. It's a Washington Capitals blog. And we do, we cover the Capitals. We do Twitter, Facebook, and everything. I got my first taste.

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of what it's like to be media for a pro sporting event. This totally blindsided me, by the way. Absolutely amazing. I knew he was doing stuff, but he's like sending me pictures going, look, I'm on the press box. Look, I'm interviewing the coach. Look. You show up at Verizon Center. You go to the media entrance. They're like, oh, hello, sir. They give you your media badge. You walk underground, go up the elevator to the press box. All the food and drink.

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You grab all your stat sheets and go and sit down at your table. You plug your laptop in. Watch the game. And then when it's done, you walk in the locker room and you have access to the whole team. Were there Johnsons hanging out? No, they were still in there. They had literally just taken their pads off. They're still breathing heavy. This is literally minutes after they're off the ice. Why don't they give the guys time to breathe a little?

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I don't know but they're still breathing everywhere they're still sucking down water

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uh it's crazy it's a crazy experience to go from the ultimate fan to here I am in the locker room

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talking to these guys I know you know me I'm never starstruck by meeting anybody but uh amazing to have the full attention of these guys like we've said before to have the full attention of these people holding a recorder in their face and asking them questions and they're giving the full time to

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That's really nice. It's pretty cool. So it'll be an ongoing thing for me. So if anybody's a hockey fan, if anybody's a Washington Capitals fan out there, you can follow me at opethfan and follow us at talkthered. We're a Washington Capitals blog. Diehard hockey fan, George and I are. Right on. All right. Well, by the time this podcast posts, it will be almost November, which means it's starting to come up on the time of year that makes me kind of sad. That's the time of year when the releases kind of slow down.

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Now, this year, November's actually going to be pretty busy. I've seen that there's going to be a ton of releases coming out in November, which is good. But once December hits, it just slows down. And I spend a month going, come on, I need a new release. I need, you know, I'm a junkie needing my fix. I need my heroin and my crack. And so December is kind of a bummer time for me. Aside from the holidays and all that, blah. But, you know, I'm like, I need new music. But then January comes around and people still

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starts putting out more music and I'm happy again and the cycle of life repeats yeah video games kind of have that drop-off to around Christmas time this December yeah all right well I think this is this is kind of new for us why before we get into the news stories and the new releases and stuff why don't we take a lot of an hour and listen to the Brian's legal interview now all right so check this out and then there'll be plenty more afterwards let me tell you all right see

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on the other side. Welcome to MetalDisciple.com's Metal Heads podcast. My name is George. And I'm Buke. We are here today with Brian Slagle from Metal Blade Records. How you doing? Pretty good. We're doing great today, buddy. Brian, I first have to jump in and start by asking you, you know, as anyone who follows you online, like myself, George and I are both avid hockey fans. As anybody who watches hockey and follows hockey knows, you are kind of like the journeyman of the hockey world.

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you first get into hockey? It seems like you've gone everywhere now.

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Yeah, I think so at this point. I got into it when I was a kid. Obviously, being from L.A., people always ask me, how did you get into hockey? But when I grew up, there were a lot of hockey rinks. I grew up in the 70s, and this is when in L.A. they started building hockey rinks everywhere, so it became kind of a big thing for a minute. So I got into it then. But I didn't really become fanatical about it until the early 80s when a friend of mine, this is the state of the L.A. Kings in the early 80s.

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early 1980s. So he was doing printing work for the Kings. Instead of paying him, they gave him two season tickets. And he never went to the game. So he said, hey, you want these tickets? And I said, sure. And they were like five rows up from the ice in the corner. He's amazing tickets. So I just eventually took them from him and they became my tickets. And that began my complete insanity of hockey. Were you there when the Kings brought in the great one? Absolutely. I was there for every single game that Wayne Gretzky played in Los Angeles.

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That was amazing. Like you and I have talked back and forth on Twitter, and by the way, if the people listening to the podcast don't follow you, follow Brian Slagle, at Brian Slagle on Twitter. He's absolutely awesome. You've been to, it seems at this point, almost every arena, even though I keep trying to get you to a Caps game here. Where have you been to where one has been the most enjoyable, and where haven't you been to? Well, I've been to a game in every single hockey city, and I've been to every arena except for the new Buffalo Arena.

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The New St. Louis Arena and Raleigh. Those are the only three I have not been to in terms of the newer arenas. Best arenas, I've also been to a million junior games and college games and you name it. I've been to the World Junior Tournament six times. I've been to the Frozen Four, the college hockey tournament eight times. But yeah, I've been around. Are Philly fans as bad as they say they are?

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The Philly fans are pretty bad. I will give you that. Although they're not as bad now because ever since the ticket sales went up and they built that new arena there, if you're sitting in the right spots, it's not nearly as bad as it used to be. But yeah, they're crazy. But I used to be, I don't really hate too many teams. I hate styles of play. So I hate boring clutch and grab sort of hockey. So the Minnesota Wild and the St. Louis Blues come to mind.

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Right now is teams that I don't like to watch. Yeah, the Habs. Although the Habs can be fun sometimes, but yeah, they kind of play that style. So yeah, I kind of do that. But I used to hate the Flyers. For my entire existence, I hated the Flyers. I'm a big Penguins guy. What? Yeah, but I also love the Caps. I have a lot of allegiances. I'm the only guy in Los Angeles that likes both the Kings and the Ducks, too. Yeah, Ducks have our old coach there, Bruce Boudreaux. Yeah, who's great.

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I pull for him too. So that's cool. But yeah, I used to hate the Flyers. And then the Kings all of a sudden traded all these guys that I loved on the Kings. Braden Shan, Wayne Simmons, all to the Flyers. And a couple other guys that I know that I liked went to the Flyers. So all of a sudden it's hard for me to hate the Flyers now. Now, on a side note here, talk about hockey. You yourself do a hockey and metal podcast. That's correct, right? Yeah, I do it with Sean Rourke who runs NHL.com. I've been doing it for three years now. It's called Metal Misconduct. You can go to iTunes.

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and check it out. We basically talk to athletes who are metalheads. And there's tons of hockey guys, Major League Baseball guys, NFL guys, MMA, all over the place. It's a lot of fun because you get these guys. And you guys know, you see hockey players interviewed all the time. And they're usually the most boring interviews. Athletes in general are pretty boring. But when we get them on the show and they start talking about music, it's a whole different world. It's really fun. That sounds awesome. I'm going to be checking that out for sure. That's always nice to hear when there's athletes that like metal.

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Whenever we meet any of the caps, we're like, hey, you know, Alex Ovechkin, what do you like? And they're all into like, oh, you know, techno Euro pop. You know, there's not a lot of players in the metal, but there's a few. And like, wasn't it you? I asked the famous story between George and I. I asked Nick Backstrom, of course, from Sweden, if Backstrom knew my favorite band, Opeth. Of course, he looked at me like I told him I, you know, who are you? What was that? But, you know, quick hockey player that comes to mind, who knows,

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have you met Dan Boyle? Absolutely. Yeah, I know he's a huge metalhead, right? Yeah, I've hung out with him a few times. In fact, he's always wearing a Metal Blade Records shirt. That's awesome. Which I must say, probably one of the best logos around. Oh, thanks, man. It's a fun logo. We just lifted it from some pirate stuff, but it looks cool. Do you still own that hockey team? No, you know, I've been in, I never owned a team fully, but I was involved in a few teams over the years in the minor leagues, obviously, and every single one of them has gone

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I used to also be involved in Central Hockey League as an investor in the company that owned that and of course they've gone away too so I don't own anything anymore. What do you think and this always comes up among hockey fans and actually you ask non-hockey fans why they watch hockey. What do you think about fighting and does fighting have a place in hockey? Well absolutely I'm an old school guy when it comes to that I think that the players need to police themselves because people always ask me like well why why do they allow fighting no other sports allow fighting yes

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But hockey's the only sport where you carry a weapon in your hand. So if you don't have fighting, then guys are going to get hurt. And I think that you've seen, ever since the instigator rule's been gotten rid of, or given the two-minute penalty, you have seen a major, I feel you've seen a major increase in stars getting hurt. I mean, Sidney Crosby, they're penguins. When Greg Gretzky was here in L.A., he had Marty McSorley there. And if you even went near Gretzky and breathed on him, you were in trouble. And now, a lot of guys don't have that fear, so they can take on

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the star players. Thus, you're seeing pretty much every star player getting hurt for significant amounts of time. In my opinion, if the Instagram rule was not there and you didn't get a penalty, then I think you'd see a lot of that stuff not be around. So I definitely think it's there. But you also see the writing on the wall. I mean, it's getting out of the game. You see a guy like George Peros, you know, who's not able to play anymore because that role is just gone. You know, every team needs every guy on that roster to be able to skate and score now. So I think it's kind of just getting out of the game.

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as it is anyway. Yeah, and plus you see so much with head injuries and brain injury stuff that I think that's why they're trying to take it out. Yeah, I mean, I get that a little bit. We talked about Peros. I mean, he kind of got hurt in a fight, but rarely do guys really get hurt in a fight like that. But then again, you never know. I mean, you look at guys like Probert and some of these other guys who fought a lot and had problems later on. It's definitely a tough issue. But I guess if you like fighting, you have to go to the Quebec League and watch that. Okay, so here we sit.

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The Kings have played six games already, you know, sitting second place with nine points. The Kings, you guys playing a tough, tough Pacific. How do you see the rest of the season playing out for you guys? Well, you know, I thought that the Kings, I mean, Kings never played very well in the regular season for whatever reason. But, you know, they'll be good enough to get into the playoffs. But I think right now it's really a huge question mark with this whole Voinov thing. It depends on how that plays out because he's by far their second best defenseman next to Dowdy. And him not being in the lineup is a massive hole for that team.

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And not only that, that's a very tight-knit group. And you see a guy do something like that. I don't know how that's going to affect the players moving forward as well. If he does come back, how does that affect it? I mean, that's a really big question mark there. So that really could hurt that team an awful lot. So we have to see where that goes, I guess. Now, on a side note about King fans, you think non-traditional hockey market. How are the turnout for Kings games now? I know they've seen Stanley Cup success the past couple years.

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You know, they've been selling out ever since they moved to Staples Center. They've sold out almost every game. I think they're on like, they're on a streak similar to the Caps, like 400 or something crazy and straight sellouts there. So it does really well. They were smart when they moved to Staples Center in downtown LA. Because, you know, over the years, it's been, you know, before Gretzky came here, there was about 6,000 people that went to the Kings games. And then when Gretzky showed up, you had sellouts. Then when Gretzky left, you went back to the 5,000 or 6,000. Then they moved to Staples Center. They did a lot of marketing.

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to like beach cities and kind of skater kids and all the all the youths that youth got around about 10 years ago and that's really paid off because every every every one is sold out now you can't get tickets now going back to our caps here correct me if i'm wrong you guys played in an outdoor game last year correct yeah dodger stadium caps yep and caps this year play at national park against the blackhawks you know a couple years ago i was at pittsburgh at heinz field when we paid the penguins and it was an amazing experience the nhl has kind of

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It used to be the one time a year. Winter Classic used to be the game. The special New Year's Day game. Do you think the league is kind of doing wrong in kind of taking out the outdoor game and kind of making it that four or five time a year thing now? I actually don't mind it. I think it's kind of fun. I mean, because they probably never would have done that in L.A. had we not had five or six different games. And there's one in San Francisco this year, too. So I like that they're doing it. I think we'll have to see how long the novelty lasts.

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It may stick. It may not stick. But I think it's cool. I think it's cool. I think every team should have one game outdoors a year. That'd be fine with me. I think they're probably doing it to expand on the hockey fan base. Hockey needs more to get it out to the masses because football and baseball are obviously the bigger sports in America. And hockey is kind of like the second-rate sport that not as many people are into.

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like this really helps to give it more visibility with a lot more people perhaps.

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Absolutely. I mean, anything they can do to promote the league, they're going to do it. And clearly they're making a lot of money too because all these, every one of these stadium games sells out. And that's, you know, anywhere from 50 to 60, 70,000 tickets for one game. So the, you know, the owners love that as does the league. But it's funny. I was talking with some friends of mine last week when this whole Voinov thing happened about how pretty much everybody has said, Oh, look at Gary Bettman. What a great job he did.

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He did the right thing. The NHL knows what they're doing and kind of got all this really positive press. My friends and I were talking. It's like, wow, wouldn't be scary because the NFL, and I'm a huge football fan, but they've kind of made a lot of missteps lately, and if they're not careful, they're going to tumble down. It's like baseball used to be the national pastime, the biggest sport in America for years and years and years, and then between the strikes and the steroids, it's kind of fallen down to three. You have NFL one, NBA two, and then Major League Baseball is third now, so the NFL's not careful. They're going to tumble out of that spot. We were kind of thinking like, wow, what if the NHL actually started?

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Rising up the ranks and became a huge sport. I'm not sure if I'd like that or not. You know, for those people listening who don't know, Suava Vainov for the Kings, I know I butchered his name, his first name always gets me, was accused of a domestic violence incident the other day and the league quickly came in and suspended him right away. So that's where we're at there. Yeah, so I guess I should have explained that more. No, that's fine. Now maybe I wanted to, you know, we're transitioning to, you know, talking music here in a little bit.

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But I just want to ask you this since you know you look you mentioned football and the whole Ray Rice thing and how long Baltimore took in this current day and age we live in and how you know crimes in general especially you know these crimes against women are getting so much press do you in the position you sit in Brian has this kind of changed the way you look at the artists underneath you going forward? Well I mean we've been you know we've been really lucky over the years where you had very very few problems with any artist we've only had a couple like I think

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I think we only had three artists in the 33 years we've been doing this ever put in jail at all. So we've been really lucky about that. We try to work with good people. So, you know, we, we, and just in general, the metal community, you don't see a lot of this stuff there. But if you do, you know, these things happen. I mean, clearly our, our world is very much against that sort of stuff. Any sort of violence, you know, violence, domestic violence is a huge problem too. So, you know, we've always been pretty vehemently against that. And if we were to have anybody we work with do something like that, especially if they get arrested, I mean, that would be

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the end. We would not work with that person any longer no matter how many records they sold. So it's kind of interesting that you see this on a sports scale where these guys have been basically getting away with it for a long time until finally this video came out for the Ray Rice thing. Yeah. Now, fans here in this D.C. metro area and Baltimore area, they lined up in droves to sell back their jerseys to the team and all that stuff. How have Kings fans been reacting to this news?

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You know, it's been pretty quiet. I mean, the Kings, even though we talk about them selling out every game, it's not, they're not, you know, when you have the Dodgers and all this, you know, talk about some football teams moving here, the Kings are huge news. So it's out there, but I haven't, you know, you haven't seen what happened with the Ray Rice thing quite yet here in LA. I'm not really sure that, I don't think they've, I think tonight is the first home game they've played since it happened. So it'll be interesting to see what kind of the response has been so far.

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But clearly, if you look at social media, every Kings fan is pretty horrified by what had happened.

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Now, my friends and I always talk, no matter what the team is, when I saw, I can't believe I'm drawing a blank, your guy's captain.

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Dustin Brown?

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Yeah, when I saw Dustin Brown, like I do every team, raising that cup a couple years ago, it gives me goosebumps.

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Were you actually there for those games when they were raising the cup?

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In 2012, I was not.

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It shows you how much, even though I'm a big hockey fan, it shows you I know nothing about hockey sometimes.

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I was very much against that team. I thought, because I had heard horror stories about Carter and Richards, and then they traded, you know, I'm talking about Philly, they traded Simmons and Shan, who I really loved, who I think are great players and had a really great future with the Kings. They made all these trades, and I just thought that they, I thought all those trades were terrible. I thought this team is ruined, they've made all these dumb trades, they're not going to do anything. Then lo and behold, here they start marching through the Stanley Cup. And I had scheduled, not thinking that, you know, anything was going to happen in the Stanley Cup playoffs, I scheduled,

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to be in New York right when the finals were. And they went a little late that year too. And then I was leaving for Europe for two weeks basically on the last day. So the only game I went to that year for the Kings was the Kings Devils in New Jersey, game five, which they won. And then they won game six and I was on a plane the next day. So I didn't get to see any of the, you know, all the post game stuff, all the parades, all that sort of stuff. So in 2012, I missed everything. Fast forward to 2014, I went to every Ducks Kings game.

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I went to all five of the Stanley Cup Final games, including the two New York games. I went to the parade in Hermosa Beach and all that stuff. So I got to at least do all that stuff in 2014. That's awesome. The Kings, just to have you know, will always be my second team now because over the summer, my wife and I welcomed our first child. And I was sitting there in the hospital holding my baby for the first night as the Kings were winning their Stanley Cup. Nice. Well, congratulations. Thank you very much for that.

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And sure probably grew up now being a Kings fan. Well, yeah. Destiny, right? Exactly. George and I talked about this last week. When you were mentioning Wayne Simmons, when he left the Kings, do you stay a fan of his? Or you're like, ah, you play for the Flyers now. Screw you, buddy. No, no, no. I remain a big fan of his and Shan as well. I'm not like a lot of the East Coast, especially New York fans. New York fans are like, I'm only Giants or Jets or Rangers or whatever. That's it. If anybody leaves, I hate them. But I've never been that way.

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If I like a player and he goes to some other team, I'm still going to like the player. I like the style that he plays. So I'm a huge Alexander Ovechkin fan. I always have been. It doesn't matter where he plays. I'm always going to root for him. That's because you weren't born in Canada, right? Canada hates him. Yeah, yeah, I know. God, they hate him. This is going to be an odd question here, but Caps Game Entertainment, the Caps Game, they tweet you a lot on Twitter. They play a lot of Metal Blade artists at Caps Games and stuff.

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Do you travel around and have you noticed a lot of stadiums since metal is that heavy music and hockey is that hard-hitting sport? Where's the most heavy metal arena you've been to? Well, I haven't been, you know, I've been to a bunch of Caps games, but I haven't been there since they've been playing the music there. In fact, I went through, I want to say two years ago, I'm trying to remember, it was two or three years ago, I actually went with Johan, the singer from Alma and Martha, his wife, because his wife is a huge Capitals fan. So we went to a couple games there and they played some metal, but not like,

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it is now. Pittsburgh is really good. The guy that plays the music in Pittsburgh is a huge metalhead. He actually works for a metal record label called Willow Tip. So they're really good. Anaheim is great. They play tons and tons of metal. New Jersey. I'm not sure. I haven't been. I didn't go to New Jersey last year, but they used to have a guy there that played a lot of stuff. In fact, they played on Monomartha, New Jersey before. And Chicago is pretty good. I'm trying to think. There's one. Oh, Dallas is good. They still come out to the Pantera wrote their theme song, so they still come out to that.

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So I just heard the other day that the Minnesota Wild

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have adopted Hammerfall's Fury of the Wild

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as their intro song when they come out onto the ice

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Yeah, you know, somebody did tell me that

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and I think that they

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somebody said that they're playing some metal up there as well

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which is kind of too bad because that team is so poor

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Brian, we're going to transition here

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George has some metal questions for you

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that we've been putting our heads together for

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Yes, sir

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All right, well, I'm going to fanboy out on you for a second here. I've been listening to Metal Blade music for like 30 years now, so one of my earliest metal memories was in the 80s. I picked up a copy of The Best of Metal Blade, Volume 1 on LP. Nice. And that was the first time that I ever heard about bands like Slayer and Trouble, Celtic Frost, Voivod, Metal Church, Omen, Fates Warning, I mean, all these great bands, Warlord, Attacker.

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I named my Metal Disciple website after the song Disciple that was on that LP. And I just wanted to thank you for all the inspiration that that has given me over the years. Oh, man, no problem. Thanks for the support. I mean, that's, you know, I'm just ultimately just a fan. And it's most fun for me is just turning people on to good music. So that's, that's awesome. Right on. What are some of the bands that are exciting you to work with right now? Well, there's a lot of stuff. Obviously, you know, all the big stuff is fun, you know, Amon Amar, Cannibal Chorus, Black Dahlia, Between the Bear and Me, all that stuff.

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stuff. But there's an interesting kind of newer sort of scene that harkens back to that early 80s style that these young kids are doing. There's a band that we signed from Salt Lake City of all places called Visigoth. V-I-S-I-G-O-T-H. And they sound, they're young 20s kids and they sound like they came from 1982, 83. It's Manowar, Metallica, Maiden, Priest, all that sort of style stuff.

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and I'm obsessed with their new record. There's a song up now on iTunes or Spotify or any of the streaming services of their first single and then the record's coming out in January. So I'm super excited about that because there's been a lot of European bands kind of doing that sort of stuff. We have bands like Portrait and Solitude that are doing that kind of old school metal sort of thing. But this is the first kind of US band that I've heard for a while that's doing it and doing it really well. So and there's a lot of bands now. There's the whole kind of undercurrent scene.

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Super Underground Now, but fans doing that same stuff and doing it really well. So I'm kind of super excited about that because, you know, ultimately, I'm a huge fan of that. Always have been. So to see these kids who none of them were even born when the stuff that they're influenced by was coming out is pretty amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Having been into metal for so long, I've gone through, you know, so many different phases. You know, in the early 80s, it was just, you know, it was metal. And then there was thrash. And then death metal came along and black metal came along. And there's so many different sub genres now. And I feel

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I feel sort of privileged to have grown up through all that and been able to assimilate all these different styles. Whereas like some kids today, they only like one style or another. Do you have a particular style that stands out to you? Or, you know, do you kind of like them all? I do like everything. I've always kind of, even when I was growing up, I liked everything. I never had the, oh, if you like Slayer, you can't like Queensryche. Or if you like Faith No More, you can't like Metallica. Well, all that sort of stuff, you know. So I've always liked everything. But I will say, though, that for my

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My personal taste, the music I listen to the most is 70s into early 80s metal. Iron Maiden's my favorite band of all time, so I love Maiden, Thin Lizzy, Rainbow, Sabbath. All that sort of stuff is probably my specific style that I love the most. But I do like, I mean, I'll listen to everything. I love death metal. I love black metal. I mean, all that stuff I'll listen to all the time. But definitely, I would say the early, that late 70s, early 80s stuff, which is why a band like Visigoth is,

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I'm really into because it's definitely right up my alley. Can I give you a podcast interview thumbs up for your header image of Rainbow Rising? Oh yeah, thank you. That is awesome. Yeah, that's my second favorite album of all time. I just got the promo the other day for the new job for a cowboy. Wow. Awesome, right? Yeah, that is pretty crazy. I've only gotten about halfway through it so far, but I'm loving it. Cool. That new guitar play they've got is so good. And just musically,

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those guys are at a really super high level. So it's a fun, fun record. I love the way it came out. I think it's the best one they've done by far. Excellent. Can I ask you about Voivod? They're one of my favorite bands, and you, of course, released their first album, War and Pain. How did you come around to, you know, how did you discover these guys, and how did that happen? Just like anything else, somebody had sent me a tape. I knew somebody in Canada. I knew a few people in Canada, but somebody had sent me a tape of this band from Quebec, and they didn't speak any English.

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So this guy was kind of, I guess acting as their manager more or less, and he sent me the demo and I thought it was amazing. So we put them on a metal master first, and then right after that we signed them to a record deal and put out that first record. But they didn't speak any English, and they parted with the guy that I was basically dealing with. So once that happened, they went someplace else. So it was kind of a bummer because we never were able to really get a hold of them because they didn't speak any English. But a great band.

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It's still so good. I mean, all the Voivod stuff is amazing, but I still love that first record. It still does really well. We just reissued it with a whole bunch of cool stuff a few years ago, too, which came out really nice. Excellent. If I could also ask you about a couple of bands that I have heard before and that I really got into, and then they just sort of disappeared. One of those bands was Beyond the Embrace. Do you know whatever became of them? They just broke up. That was one of those things where they did a couple of records, and they were kind of, you know, one of those

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Situations where you get young bands and they put out really great music and then they get out on the road and they realize this is kind of a tough life. I'm not sure I want to do this. And I think that's kind of what happened to them a little bit is they couple of the guys just didn't really like touring. You know, they were young guys. They were faced with the way. Do I try to do this? Do I get a job? Do I go to work? And they just kind of fell apart more or less. But I heard that they're trying to come back come back around again. So we'll see. That'd be good. Yeah, I saw them on tour with Iced Earth.

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and it was in the record theater in Towson here and it's a very small stage and if I recall they had three guitar players and so they were all just kind of cramped and uncomfortable looking on stage. Yeah it's too bad because that was a really good band. They had they had some definitely some momentum going but just kind of fizzle out. Yeah I love those guys. Another band I was curious about was Disillusion. Their album Back to Times of Splendor was amazing. I know that their second album Gloria was a little bit different. Maybe it didn't come over quite as well with people.

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But whatever happened to those guys, they were incredible. Yeah, kind of the same thing. They just put on a couple records and just kind of went their separate ways. The band just basically fell apart. One of the guys, one of the guitar players is in, oh, I forget the name of the band. You could probably look it up online. But he's in a new European metal band that's pretty good. Shoot, I can't remember the name of it now. But you can check that out. It doesn't sound that much like Disillusion, but it's there. Okay.

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of all time is the Fates Warning with John Arch. Do you think we're ever going to hear anything more from John Arch? I know he did the Arch Matheus album a couple years ago. Do you know, is there any plans for him or is he just, is he done with music? No, no, no. He's not done with music. He's an interesting guy. He, I mean, one of my all time favorite singers. I love those first three Fates Warning records and that Arch Matheus record is absolutely brilliant. That was the only thing I listened to for like three months, just over and over and over again.

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Yeah, he is one of my favorite singers of all time. Yeah, but he has horrifically terrible stage fright. Like, unbelievable. He just, he, and he knows that he can't explain it. He just, he just can't do it. We actually got him to play two shows on this, on, for that album, which was somewhat amazing. And he was great at both shows. But he's kind of bad, you know, he's got a, he's got a kid and he's got his life. He's got a nice store where he actually makes furniture and all this stuff. So he kind of likes what he does.

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And every couple of years he'll get out there and he'll do something. But it takes him. He's also an unbelievable perfectionist. So it took him six months of rehearsing every single day to get his voice back into the shape that he felt it needed to be just to do the record and then the same thing for the tour. So it takes him a while. But I know Jim from Fate's Warning, who's the guitar player, has been talking to him a little bit lately. And I think that there's going to be some stuff happening. There's definitely going to be another Archmuthios record. They're talking about some other interesting things.

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So hopefully it'll happen and we'll see how it goes. But I've always been a huge fan. He's a great guy too. It's really, it's too bad that he doesn't do more stuff. We beg and plead him all the time. Please do more stuff, please. Yeah, that was going to be my next question was whether you thought it would ever be possible to do, you know, they probably wouldn't do a face warning album together because, you know, they still have a singer for that. But if they could do some sort of like Awaken the Guardian, you know, tour, of course,

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If he's got a stage fright issue, then maybe that won't happen. But that would be killer since I never got to see them. Yeah, there definitely won't be a tour, but you never know what might happen. All right. Well, if I can be more cryptic and vague. That's cool. Hey, that's better than nothing. If you're cryptic and vague, it means maybe I can expect something. There you go. There you go. Buke and I are both big vinyl fans, and we've been, you know, for at least the last year, been ravenously gathering up all the old vinyl that we could find.

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And I've been having trouble finding some of the old Metal Blade vinyls. And I was wondering if you have any plans to reissue any of the old albums on vinyl. I know you do new albums on vinyl. But particularly like Celtic Frost's Morbid Tales, you know, can't find that anywhere. Or Omens Battle Cry. Is there any chance you might reissue the old stuff? Yes. Well, what we're doing is we got the rights to a lot of the Roadrunner catalog. So we've been reissuing all that, like all the old Merciful Fade and King King.

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Diamond, Diamond, Diamond, Diamond, Diamond, Deicide, Sepultura, Black Death Angel, tons and tons of stuff. If you go to our web shop, you'll see there's a lot of vinyl on there. And like the stuff that you're talking about, the biggest problem that we have with doing more vinyl is that, and this is not just our problem, this is everybody's problem, there are very few places that make vinyl anymore. It's really, everybody's really backed up and we're doing so much vinyl, I mean everybody's doing so much vinyl

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that it just takes forever. If it was up to me, we would do much, much more, but it's just physically you just can't do enough of it. But we did actually hire a new person, well, a new old person, somebody that used to work for us that ended up doing some other stuff that's coming back and helping us because we need more manpower to do all this reissue stuff. Because, like I said, we have all this stuff from Warner Brothers that we're doing, and then we also have the old Metal Blade stuff that we're doing. So, like you mentioned, only Battle Cry. It's been out on vinyl a couple times.

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We have reissured it. And we're going to probably do some more of it as well, maybe in Europe. But you can go, you can get, we've done Flotsam and Jetsam. We've done Awaken the Guardian by Fate's Warning. We're trying to get back some of that old stuff as much as we can. But it's just a matter of, like I said, actually getting the vinyl made is kind of tough. At the start of your answer there, you mentioned King Diamond. Can you back me up in how awesome his tour is now? Amazing. Did you guys go to the show in Maryland?

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Yeah, we were at the Silver Spring Show. I was there as well. Absolutely amazing, wasn't it? Oh, phenomenal. I've seen it in Europe quite a few times on the big festival stages, but seeing it crammed into these theater venues is just amazing. Every show is sold out, and it's kind of funny. I was talking to a bunch of booking agents, and this tour has really upped all the other bands that are looking at this tour and how well it's doing in the production, and they're all saying to themselves, we've got to have more production.

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We gotta compete here. Yeah, it's amazing. Brian, that will lead me into my next question. Can you, have you ever been to a walk-in or I'm assuming you've been to any other big metal festivals overseas, right? Absolutely. Many times. You know, us here in the States, you know, when you were at the Silver Spring Show at the Fillmore, that or, you know, like an Oz Fest or Mayhem is the biggest we have. That's not true. We've got the Maryland Death Fest. Well, yeah. But Brian, how is a walk-in or one of those fests when you're getting 70, 80, 100,000 people out of concert? It's pretty

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I recommend everybody that's a big metal fan to go over and see one at least one of the festivals. Vaken or Hellfest or Download. Every country's got several metal festivals. It's really amazing because you have a wide variety of types of music and huge amounts of fans. We're all really into it. There's never any fights. Everybody gets along. It's super mellow. It's a very camaraderie sort of vibe. It's awesome. And the bands all have a great time.

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So it's so much fun. And everybody over there is really cool. So it's fun. And really, you know, they've been trying to do stuff like that here. I guess Mayhem is probably the closest thing, but there's not like a singular festival that's like that. I guess, you know, Fun Fun Fun or Coachella or these other ones are kind of like that, except they're not all metal. So. Is it just that the States are too big to try and pull off something like that? Well, that's part of it, you know, because we've talked about it at Nod.

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with the promoters over there.

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Because everybody over there wants to try to do it.

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Why doesn't it work in the States?

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Why doesn't it work in the States?

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And I think the first part of it is just geographically it's difficult.

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Like when you're doing a Vaca and all those kids go, they're like nobody drives.

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They're all taking trains and buses and this stuff.

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And you just don't have that sort of public transportation as much in the States or location where a lot of people can get to very easily.

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So Europe's a little more condensed when it comes to that.

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But I also think that the American fans just weren't really used to that sort of festival.

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But now with Coachella, Bonnaroo, Fun Fun Fun, Lollapalooza, all these big singular festivals that do really, really well now, people are kind of into that notion of going to a festival like that. So I think it's just a matter of time before somebody does it right in the right location out here and it works. We were just at the barbecue for the Dave Brockie Memorial and we were talking with people there and we met these two guys from Arizona who drove on a Greyhound for 50 hours to get to the barbecue. Wow.

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Is that dedication or what? That's amazing. That is really amazing. That's awesome. Wow. That's insane. You know, the crazy thing about this fest, just like you mentioned it, is that you have a reunited emperor, you know, finishing up one stage and Aventasia will be closing the next stage. Worlds apart, but the fans are going crazy for it, loving it. Yeah, I mean, that's the interesting thing. It's just this entity there where people love everything. And, you know, if you don't like a couple bands, you just kind of go to the back and hang out. So it works really well. And the fans

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over there, they kind of tend to love a lot of different stuff too. I mean, maybe that's the reason why over here it's a little tougher. I mean, Metallica almost got it right with Orionfest. I think if they would have made it more of a metal festival instead of kind of being all over the map, it could have worked because they had everything else right. But... Have you made it to a Maryland Death Fest? Oh yeah, I've been there a couple times, absolutely. Yeah, but it keeps getting bigger and bigger every year. Yeah, it's good, man. I mean, they, you know, the cool thing about that festival is they bring over bands that you don't normally see here and that's always a priority for them. Like, you know, they want to bring over,

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Bands that don't play America from Europe, which is awesome. Yeah, George is going to die if he doesn't make it this year and see Trypticon. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it should be good this year. I'm pretty sure I'm going to go because we have, I think, Primordial's playing and we have a few bands playing. It's a pretty good lineup so far that I've seen. Yeah, I got tickets for the Primordial Day too. Cool, awesome. So I'm one of those metal and vinyl collectors who, I'm a completionist, I have to have everything. And I used to be able to go to this list on the MetalBlades site that had a chronological listing.

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all the Metal Blade albums from the very first one up until the latest. And I used that as sort of a checklist. And I can't find that anymore. Did you guys get rid of that? No, it's still up there. I think it's under, it's not complete either, because I actually was looking at it the other day. I think it's under, let me, I'll look right now and I'll tell you, I believe it's under History. Yeah, because if you're going to go to the answer and go to the source, it can't go any higher than Brian here, right?

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I was really disappointed.

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Yeah, no, it's still there.

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It's just there's so much stuff on that site now, I think it gets a little lost.

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I think if you go to – yeah, here we go.

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So you go to the Metal Blade site and you click on Releases, and then you click on Year.

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You can select any year from all the way back to 1982.

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Excellent.

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And it doesn't show you everything because it's still – I guess they're still updating it, but it gives you a fairly good perspective of what's going on.

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Speaking about years and stuff, as you click through that, I see people tweeting at you all the time, vinyl and releases and stuff. Are there still times when people send you a tweet and you're like, oh, geez, I can't believe we released that? Or, boy, that's an old gem from back in the day. It always makes you smile or something, makes your day. It's always fun when people start talking about older bands. I mean, I remember all of it, so I still have all of it. I mean, every band that basically comes through Metal Boy has to eventually get approved by me. So I'm pretty good at especially the old stuff. But yeah, it's funny now.

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I'll give you a couple examples. One of my all-time favorite bands from the

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Metal Blade days was Sirith Ungol. I always loved them. When they were actually in existence in LA, they were so out of the loop that nobody understood them, nobody liked them. They couldn't really gain any traction or anything. Even in Europe and stuff, nothing ever really happened for them. But over the years, they've grown into this kind of cult. It's a massive cult thing now where you see Sirith Ungol shirts everywhere.

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and people ask me about them. It's kind of funny how now, 30-some-odd years later, they're way more popular than when they first were out there. A good friend of mine is this guy, Chris Santos. He's on that show Chopped on the Food Network. He has, in my personal opinion, the two best restaurants in the world in New York City, Beauty and Essex and Stanton Social. He's a huge metal guy. I actually met him first as a metal guy and then realized who he was later.

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But he texted me the other day and said, dude, I'm totally getting back into

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Anacrusis and Sacrifice.

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Oh, yeah. That's good stuff.

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Yeah. I was like, wow, cool, man. That's so cool.

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So I love when people talk about it. That's great.

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Sorry about that. Like George mentioned, not to try and bring the mood down here,

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but when George mentioned we were at that barbecue earlier in the year,

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I know you have a history with Dave Brockie over the years.

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Do you have anything you quickly want to say about him for your time with him?

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Well, I mean, one of my best friends.

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Just a phenomenal, phenomenal human being.

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He was incredibly smart, unbelievably funny. He kind of had a bit of everything. He's a little manic, but most artists are. I loved working with Guar over all years. I always loved working with Dave and talking to Dave. He was just so unbelievably talented, not only as the front man for Rock Band, but if you saw him in Holliston, the TV show that he was in, acting was naturally brilliant for him. He was amazing in that show.

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He was on the Dan Patrick show a lot. He was on that Fox

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Red Eye channel a lot.

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Just the personality that he had

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and the character was

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you could put him in any

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situation. He would be just really amazing.

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And a really

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down to earth, super nice

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great guy. It's really

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so sad what happened.

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I unfortunately missed the

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barbecue but I was at the

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private memorial right after he passed

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We were talking and somebody said the one thing that kind of, because you're like, how could this have happened? I mean, he was a smart guy. You wouldn't think he would do anything stupid. And still nobody really knows exactly what happened. But somebody said at the, we're just kind of talking about what had happened and how could it happen. They said, you know, sometimes things that burn too bright just spontaneously combust. And that's like the perfect scenario for Dave. He was just so intense and so high.

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That's great. Have you, assuming you've met the other greats who've passed on, you've met Jeff from Slayer and you met Dio, right? Of course. Absolutely. Dio is one of a kind, isn't he? Yeah, one of the nicest guys. People talk about who are the nicest people in music and Dio was always, Ronnie Dio was always number one on the list along with Alice Cooper who's also one of the nicest guys in the world and Slash. We talk about big time rock stars.

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being super, super nice people. Those three come to mind. And Ronnie was, I mean, obviously an unbelievably talented singer, but a really, really good, down-to-earth, nice human being as well. Brian, last one for me. Is there anyone who in the music world or just in general that still, because if I was to meet you, even talk to me right now, like I told you, I'm still honored. I'm truly honored to speak to you right now. Thanks, man. Is there anybody who you still meet who you're still awe-inspired and awe-struck to meet? Yes.

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I actually did mention that the podcast that I do we actually had a non athlete but a huge sports fan on on the one that's coming up in November we did it in New York last week Frankie Bello from anthrax and the one guy that still freaks me out there's probably two people that freak me out and I've only met them very briefly one of them is Tony Iommi of course from Black Sabbath just because he's Tony Iommi but more than anybody else is Steve Harris Iron Maiden is my favorite band of all time I worship

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everything they've done. I think he's the greatest songwriter of all time.

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It's funny because I'm really good friends with Bruce and his son and his family.

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I've become really good friends with Rod Smallwood. I know the other Maiden guys pretty well.

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Would you fly with Bruce?

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Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. I want to get on that. I had the opportunity to be on that plane a couple times and it didn't end up working. I couldn't end up getting there. I would love to.

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But yeah, Steve Harris still freaks me out. Frankie was telling us the story about hanging out with all the times he hung out with Steve Harris.

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I'm like, I hate you. I've only met him, I interviewed him once for my fanzine in 1981, and he was super nice. And then I only met him, a friend of mine forced him to take a picture with me when he was leading an after show at one of the main shows. So that's the only two times I've talked to him. And I told these guys a story where I was in Toronto when they were filming Flight 666. They had an after party because that was the final show of that run. So I was at the after party hanging out with all the people that I know there.

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I'm 41 and Steve Harris had that look of when you're talking to somebody and you want to get out of the conversation desperately but not sure how to do it he had that look on his face I could tell I could see that look and I kind of looked at him and he kind of looked at me for a second and I was like I saw it and I was like oh man maybe I should go over there and say something so I was talking to some people and and I walked kind of walked around and I saw him again doing it and I was like oh maybe I should but then again you know the back of my head's like what if I'm wrong and I go up there and the guy's like what is this asshole so I walked right by him and he like looked

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at me like please help me I just walk right past him I couldn't do it I'm just too intimidated to talk to him so he's definitely the one guy all right I've got one more question for you as well given the state of the music business what is metal blade doing to add value and stay viable in the digital music age where downloading is killing off so much of the music business and for that matter is it affecting you as much as say you know the Beyonce's and people like that well you know it's interesting I mean you know we've been doing this longer than any other metal label by far

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and belong to a lot of labels.

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And I think the one thing that we've done over the years to stay alive and stay successful is that we are never afraid of change.

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And instead of being afraid of change, I think we embrace the change.

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And we're really trying to do that now with everything that's going on.

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People ask me all the time about the whole illegal downloading, all that sort of stuff.

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And I mean, certainly it's hurt.

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And you can't say that it hasn't affected sales.

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And sales are a lot different now than they used to be.

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But there's also an unprecedented access to music that people have that has never happened before. And I think that that's I think there are more fans of music than ever before. And we're also very, very lucky that the metal fans are unbelievably supportive of us and the artists. So that's really kind of helped limit a little bit the sting, I guess, of the falling sales. But you just have to do things a little bit differently. You know, you have to make sure that that you put out quality, great records.

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because if you don't, there's no incentive for people to buy them. And you have to, everything you can do, like whether it's social media, we've been really big in social media, I think that that's super important. And we got into social media really early, more Twitter follows than any metal label, more Facebook likes than any other metal label, all that stuff. And we've embraced that and used that to our benefit and that's been a huge help for us as well. And you just, you know, you try to put out better quality records, you try to put out more bells and whistles with those records, more special editions, you know, these,

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We try to get a little stuff that's really interesting that the fans like.

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All of those things are really good. And then there's other revenue streams out there that have been very helpful too that come into play.

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Like for example, there's a company called SoundExchange.

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And what SoundExchange does is they collect all the royalties around the world for anything that's not iTunes or related.

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So it's satellite radio, podcasts, internet radio, all this sort of stuff.

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And they collect all the money for that.

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And it's become a fairly significant amount of money now for both us and for the artists, which is really good. And then even the Spotify stuff, we were very late to the Spotify party, mostly because Spotify was giving the major labels all the money and the deals they were giving to the independents were not very good. And they finally aligned their deals for the independents. It's the same as the major. So we've been there. I don't know. Our whole catalog's been up there a little over a year. We found that it hasn't really hurt our sales. It's actually been what they want it to be, which is a separate revenue stream. So in general,

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We're using all these things as best we can to make things work. And it's working. I mean, the last four or five years have been four or five of the best years we've ever had. Excellent. Yeah, it's good. I mean, we had a top ten record with Whitechapel this year on the Billboard charts. I mean, you would have told me that a band is heaviest Whitechapel would have a top ten debut on Billboard. You'd kind of be like, what? So it's working. Excellent. So Buke put out some questions on Twitter to some of our followers to see if they had anything to ask you. And he's got a couple things to ask you now.

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All right, cool. And we're asking these, then we'll let you go. All right, sounds good. Adam Teppledon asks, was there ever a band signed to Metal Blade that you initially had low expectations for that turned out huge, or vice versa? That's actually a really good question. There's probably been a few things that you would have thought. I mean, just for example, a band like Armored Saint, we always thought was going to be a lot bigger than they ended up being, unfortunately, for whatever reason. And I could give you a list of 50 reasons, but I always thought they would be a lot bigger.

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And there are definitely things that surprise you. I mean, certainly,

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As Are They Dying, when they first came out, you know, we knew that the band was really,

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really good, and we liked them a lot, but we didn't know that they were ever going to be

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as huge as they are. And even a band like Amada Marth, who started out, you know,

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their first three or four records were kind of, you know, good death metal band, they had reasonable sales,

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and then they just, with Fate of Norns, they just kind of took a little bit of a musical turn,

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and that really kind of exploded it. So, you know, it's always nice to see that sort of stuff. You always

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have good expectations, but it's nice to see when things really kind of get big. And even

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I mean look if you would have told me cannibal corpse would be as big as they are now when we first signed them in 1990 I wouldn't have believed you either so sorry they were just at like 32 on billboard yeah yeah yeah but they're you know they've sold well over 2 million records in their career now which is crazy ridiculous that's awesome and our second and last question here from Dano is and this is going to make if this is going to put you up on a high point buddy other than himself who would be on the Mount Rushmore of metal non-musician who gave metal bands their opportunities

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Oh, wow. That's a good question. I don't know if I put myself up there. Well, you know, there's a lot of people. I mean, I guess I have to limit it to three others. There's four people on Mount Westmore, right? Yeah. Well, there's definitely a guy in Germany named Gatz Kundemund. He started a magazine over there called Rock Hard that became the largest hard rock and heavy metal magazine in Germany and had massive, massive influence over what people in Germany bought and then in essence, you know, what they were doing.

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people around the rest of the world bought. Then a guy in Japan named Masa Ito, who is the king of heavy metal in Japan. He's launched a career of every single major metal band in Japan and had, again, had a massive, massive influence on what people, to this day, what people buy in Japan. He's got radio shows and he writes for Burn Magazine and a bunch of magazines in Japan. So those two guys for sure. Wow, there's so many others. I'm trying to think, I'm trying to get

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I would give credit to somebody that kind of doesn't get enough credit as he should. But I'm going to shout out to Jose Mangan of SiriusXM. He's a funny dude. But I'll tell you, that guy really, even though he's got a crazy personality on the radio, that guy knows his metal big time. And he's been so supportive of really everybody. And satellite radio is a huge, huge influence here in the U.S. on what people are buying because there is no radio really anymore.

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So many people subscribe to that and listen to that channel. You see, if he puts something into heavy rotation, like for example, a band like Battlecross, it's on our label. He made them. Totally, he made them. He put them on and really pushed them and that pushed them to be a pretty popular band. So he's got a lot of power over there and I think his taste in music is pretty good too. So I'll give him some credit there as well. And I guess the last one we should probably put up there is, there'll be two little faces.

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Kevin Lyman who runs the Warped Tour and Mayhem. And then John Reese's partner who really is the one that runs Mayhem. I mean, Mayhem has always been a huge force in helping stuff out as well. So there's some people. That's awesome. Well, Brian, from my end, I just want to say it's truly an honor. From the bottom of my heart, a true honor to speak to you. As the hockey season goes on, I'd love to get you back on and talk to you again. Not even about mental, just talk about hockey. Yeah, man, anytime. I absolutely have to get to a Caps game this year.

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If you go to a Caps game, it'll be my pleasure to maybe meet you beforehand or afterhand or at the game. Absolutely. We'll sort it out. Later, brother. All right, man. Thanks, guys. All right. Well, thanks a lot. I hope maybe we'll see you in the playoffs. Yeah, absolutely. All right. Take it easy. Take care. Bye-bye. All right. So that was our interview with Brian Slagle, our first interview here on the Metalheads podcast. Now that I've got that figured out how to record all that, hopefully we'll start doing some interviews with each of the bands that we're going to do.

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that we feature each week. Did you ever think you'd be talking to him? That was certainly not going to be my guess that it would be the first one. It was when, no, Tuesday, Tuesday night, which is two days ago when I texted Buke and said, hey, I think I got this thing figured out. Let's do like a test interview, you know, something small, something low pressure and, you know, and try and get it on and do a test. And he's like, well, I've got an interview with Brian Slegel on Thursday. And I'm like, hold on, I'm gonna go change my pants.

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I'm like okay I think we can pull that off yeah I'm fairly confident I've got the tech working to the point where this will work out and we didn't actually have a few technical difficulties on our end but I believe that you know that didn't affect the recording at all so thank the gods for that you know we didn't mention it in the podcast because I didn't because I'm sure he's asked or talked about every time he's on an interview you mean you didn't mention it in the interview and I did not mention it in the interview but

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For those of you who do not know, he started Metal Blade. He has launched a career of many, many bands. Put out Metal Massacre in a day which debuted Metallica for the first time. So many bands got their start there on Metal Blade. It's mind-boggling. And to do our first podcast interview with him, it's like, what kingdoms are left to conquer? Extremely. I will say it again, like I will say it every time. Extremely, extremely nice man to talk to.

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Yeah, he was fun. I've always thought, you know, you look at the picture of him and you go, he looks like a cool guy. He looks like you. I was thinking that, too. He looks kind of like me. So, Brian, if you're listening this far into the podcast still and you are in town for a Caps game, we'd love to hang out with you, you know, watch the game, have some beers. I don't know if you drink, but if you do, have a beer and, you know, let us show you our town. All right. Thanks again. All right. Well, let's get into some news.

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I'm so terribly excited to be able to tell you that there's a new Nightingale album called Retribution, which is going to be released on January 27th. Like I said, January is when things start to pick up again. Nightingale, of course, is one of the side project bands for Don Svanu. Who? Exactly. I'm sorry. The man behind Edge of Sanity. He's been in Bloodbath. He's done vocals and produced on so many albums. You haven't even mentioned it.

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If you don't mention our favorite album, Witherscape. Sorry. Thank you. Like I said, so many things that he's been on. If you haven't listened to Witherscape, please, please, please give it a listen. Yeah, but Nightingale is another one of his bands. Don is one of those guys who he can do incredible harsh vocals like he did with Bloodbath, and he can do beautiful clean vocals like he does with both Witherscape and Nightingale. Nightingale is the project he did to satisfy some of his more commercial needs.

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and he needed money but like he wanted to do some things that weren't quite so heavy kind of like you know michael's doing with opeth now but he rather than changing what he was doing he just had a band on the side he's like this is where i'm gonna do this and it's like proggy metal kind of stuff and it's amazing i'm not a big prog metal fan but i love everything this guy does and i've been chomping at the bit for a new nightingale album in january we get one so i cannot wait for that you know i'm excited to do this once you turn me on to witherscape which

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Totally blindsided me. I've been all about him again. Yeah. So definitely excited about this. Have you been watching the Metal Grasshopper video series featuring Phil Anselmo and comedian Dave Hill? Of course. Did you see the second one? I did not see the second one. I just watched the second one yesterday. This is some pretty funny shit. You would, uh, you, I think you might be surprised to find how Phil Anselmo is actually quite funny in a very deadpan sort of way. Really? Yeah. I mean, he's a

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It's just like, hey, I'm Phil Enso Mo and pfft, fucking dick. It's just funny. I don't know how many episodes are going to be in this series, but I can't wait to see them all because they're freaking hilarious. So apparently, Yngwie Malmsteen wants to jump on the Gene Simmons bandwagon by saying that new bands have no chance of becoming rock stars. Way to coattail for the exposure, Yngwie. Yes, but is he saying anything that wrong? No, it's not that he isn't because it's true.

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Rockstars are, for the most part, dead. You see Yngwie, he's got a driveway full of Ferraris. Why do you need more than one Ferrari? I don't know. I saw a picture. It looked like he had a bunch of the same Ferrari. I'm like, I don't understand that. But I guess if you have more money than you know what to do with it. Where's his money coming from now, though? Leftover 80s money. I don't know. But, you know, it's not so much that he's saying it. I mean, what he's saying is essentially true, but who cares? It just seems

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It seemed like an opportunist kind of thing to say to me. Because that Gene Simmons story made headlines everywhere. Right. And everybody's got a kick in their two cents and whatever. You know, no offense, Yngwie, but come on. Just go back to playing your guitar. That's what you do well. Yes, do that. So I heard that Ozzy's hoping that Bill Ward will get himself together and appear on the final Black Sabbath album next year. I agree. I really hope that we can get Bill on this album. I guess it goes without saying. I mean, 13 was amazing and it didn't.

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It wouldn't feature bill, but for closure, it would be really nice if bill could be on the album. You took the word through that mouth. Yes. For to go out. There's no other way to do it. Yeah. I hope the animosity isn't too strong. Yeah. That they can go out together. Yeah. You know, there's rumors are like, Oh, it was a contractual thing. Bill wanted more money. And then like the band is saying he just couldn't physically do it. And I don't know. I don't, whatever it is. I don't care what it is. Just please work it out.

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We want you back, Bill. Yeah, certainly. We definitely. And if it's anything like 13, I'm eagerly awaiting it. It'll be sad to see him go. Yeah. Geezer was saying they had like four or five tracks left over from 13, which in one sense is like, cool. All right. Well, it's a jumpstart. But on the other hand, those songs weren't good enough to make the album. And whenever people base the follow-up album, like say Reload, on albums that didn't make the cut for the first album, it worries me a little.

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So I don't know. We'll see. Yeah, I just want to say to the people who didn't like 13 is that what were you expecting from Black Sabbath at this point? Good point. You know, after what? 70s, 80s, 90s? After three, four, after four decades of putting out, you know, four or five decades? Five decades. Which were you expecting of them? Yeah. What could have been better than what they gave us? Yeah. That's what I don't understand is that I heard

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some criticism about this album and about Sabbath that they're not doing anything new or it's boring. It's the same old stuff. Well, it's this is Sabbath. It's the original. How can you go wrong? Yeah. And the thing is, this is not never say die Sabbath where you could see that they were just phoning it in. I don't know what they were expecting, but well, I for one was very happy with you and I both. All right. So this next news item I included, even though it's not technically metal news,

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In fact, there is no any way about it that it's metal, but we've been talking about the subject so much lately. And in fact, you and I were talking about this earlier. Directly impacts me. Yep. That I wanted to mention it because it just, it broke my heart to see this news article. Country singer, Glenn Campbell. I don't really know much of his music. I've heard the song like rhinestone cowboy, but you know, you know who he is. He's got Alzheimer's and you know, you know where that leads. And he recorded a

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a song called I'm Not Going to Miss You. And listening to that song, it just broke my fucking heart. Is Lake Johnny Cash doing a cover of Nine Inch Nails Hurt? What's that got to do with it? In the sense that you hear an old man almost at the end of his life. Yes. In the sense that, you know, you hear the lyrics kind of going in you deep. Sure, but the reason that I mention this is because these lyrics specifically address the fact of his disease. He's saying, you know, the song's

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I'm not going to miss you. It's about his wife. I'm not going to miss you because I don't remember you. And the lyrics are just so, you know, I've heard a lot of deep, powerful lyrics and metal songs before, but this just, oh, it just crushed me. The fact that, you know, he's like, this is going to happen and, you know, and it's going to be terrible for you, but it's not going to be bad for me because I'm not going to miss you because I'm not going to know any different. I won't remember you.

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It's just like we were talking about before this and you know obviously listeners to this show don't know but after this podcast ends I'm loading my wife and newborn child into the car and we are traveling to out of state to have my daughter visit my grandmother for the first time who has dementia now after a stroke and my 83 year old grandmother for her whole life always wanted a daughter always always always and she never had one and my baby girl is the first girl in the

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And when she meets her for the first time this weekend, who knows how well she'll even realize that she's seeing her granddaughter. Yeah. Hey, she may meet her this weekend. Her disease may get bad and by Wednesday or Thursday or Friday, she might totally forget that fact. Yikes. Yeah. And the sad thing is there's nothing you can do to stop it. Yeah. Well, give your grandmother a hug for me. Yeah, I will. You know, grandma always loved you. Yeah.

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To get a little insight here on the podcast, Grandma always loved you. And I love her too. She's a really cool lady. Yeah, I'm not ashamed to admit it. I don't care. You guys call me a pussy or a pansy or whatever. My grandmother lived with me for a number of years and I took care of her. So Grandma's special to me. So if anybody has anybody battling Alzheimer's or dementia and stuff, it's a tragic disease that your body is fine around you, but your mind mentally is falling apart.

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Like when you lose the ability to a grandma at 83, when your mind doesn't understand the concept of chewing and swallowing something that seems, how could you forget that? It's just mind boggling. Mind boggling. Tragic. Very. So, yes, we know this news story isn't metal, but we had to bring it up because, you know, maybe take a second and listen to this because it's pretty powerful. Yeah. And it affects a lot of families out there. You know, I'm talking about moms, dads,

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Dads, husbands and wives who don't know their children, don't know their spouse, after spending decades with them. You know, listeners out there may be going through this now. So just take a second to listen to the song. Yeah. All right. Now to get out of the somber mood again. Let's take this up a level with something somewhat amusing. At least I thought it was kind of amusing. K.K. Downing, the former guitar player from Judas Priest. I was reading this article. It was

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about how he left the band and they're carrying on with uh richie what's faulkner i think

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his name is and you know they were talking to him about well you know how do you feel about them

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carrying on and he's like oh yeah great you know whatever yeah he gives that doesn't yeah he goes he

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felt his time had run its course sure yeah and but the thing that i took out of the whole article

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was the fact that kk downing is going to be releasing his own metal for men fragrance

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I was like, wait, what? A cologne for men. I don't know if metal for men was the actual name, but wow. Okay. Call me silly, but I might actually get that. Just because I'm like, it's metal. Maybe I should try it. Just because you wear like suave for men now. I don't wear anything now. I've got something that I dab on for occasion that my wife likes for, you know, the special occasions. But, uh,

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But hey, it's metal for men. Sounds kind of cool. Speaking about Priest Day, I went to the record store. I bought Rock-A-Rolla. Rock-A-Rolla. On vinyl today. Yeah. Anything a lick off that album? No. Yeah. I flipped it over and I'm like, I don't know anything off this album at all. Sad Wings of Destiny is where things really take off. Yeah. I didn't know anything off this album. But I don't have it, so now you do. I had to buy it.

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Well, it seems nary a week goes by where we don't have an article about Michael Ackerfeldt from Opeth, which given the fact that they just released an album is, you know, makes sense. But because this is our podcast and I love them. Yes. So he was saying that it may have been a mistake to play so many new songs on the Heritage Tour. Okay. Well, my question here is, does this mean that the upcoming tours will feature more older songs? Does this mean that there will be at least

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If not in albums, at least on tour, there will be harsh vocals. I listened to this interview. Well, I read it. I don't understand what he was trying to say with this. When he said it featured too many. I think maybe, you know. The problem is that he said that when they put the setlist together, they were drinking and they probably had too many to drink. Yeah, he said something like they had like a 40 song setlist and you can never play that. And then obviously they had to narrow that down. And, you know, if any band has a new album,

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you can't go out on tour and like play the whole album.

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Unless, of course, it's your first album.

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But if you're somebody that has a catalog like Opeth does, people are going to a show.

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They want to hear their favorite songs as well.

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And so what I thought he was saying was that, well, there were too many new songs and not enough older songs on the previous tour.

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And, okay, does that mean that they will remedy that and play more older songs on this next tour?

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And if they play older songs, will they be harsh vocal songs?

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I don't know.

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I mean, either way, whatever.

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But it was just sort of a, hmm, I wonder. You know me, you know Opeth. I don't know what to take from this because I've seen Opeth on tour 14 times and each time I see him, it's a different freaking tour. It's a damnation tour when they're playing all acoustic stuff. That's good though. It's the Heritage tour and they're playing all acoustic stuff. If you were getting the same thing every time, that'd be boring. Not for me though. The funny thing is, George the other day was adding me on Skype. He says, hey, what's your information on Skype? I gave him an email.

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And it was Opeth fan something something at Hotmail. And he goes, oh, Opeth something surprising. Yes, I should have known. I should have known it was Opeth something. So me and Opeth have a special connection that I don't know what to think of them now. But we'll see what the future brings. But you know, let's get this, though. If you're a band like Opeth or you're a Slayer, you're Metallica. Aside from the hits, you can't play a deep track. Why not? Because that's not what the fans are.

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What are there buying tickets for? How many fans are there buying tickets to hear Trapped Under Ice? Well, you're assuming that people have How many fans are buying tickets to hear Expendable Youth? The thing is, most metal fans are into albums, not songs. And so they hear a song like that, they're going to be, oh, sweet, that brought Expendable Youth. You know, Slayer, how many hit songs does Slayer have? Slayer doesn't have hit songs. I mean, The Angel of Death is their most well-known song, perhaps, but they don't have hits. They're Raining Blood more. Are you kidding me? Really?

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Back in the day, I was all about Angel of Death, Raining Blood, whatever. I mean, it's a good song, but Angel of Death, come on, yo. That's a discussion for another podcast. But, you know, there are certainly songs that people want to hear, but most metal bands have plenty of room in their set to throw in at least a couple of deep tracks. Have you ever gone to a concert and been disappointed that they didn't play something? Always. Okay. And you stand out? It would be like going to a Maiden show and them not playing Run to the Hills. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You know they're going to play every show.

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There's always a song you want to hear.

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Except Iron Maiden.

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Like, I'm Diamond.

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Didn't play Abigail.

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Yeah.

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I was going to say, Iron Maiden does a pretty good job of playing what I want

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to hear, though.

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But yeah, there's always something, you know.

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It's the nature of the beast, you know.

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If you have a lot of good songs, you can't get them all in.

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You got to try and rotate them in once in a while.

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Change things up.

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But what can you do?

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You can't do anything about it.

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And I don't know what you think of this next story here.

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The Skeleton Witch singer, Chance, dropped off the tour for personal reasons. He said it was emergency personal reasons that he had to leave. So the band is continuing on as a four-piece instrumental band right now. I would have thought somebody would have picked up the vocals. Nope. Really? It's just instrumental? Yep. Huh. I would be really surprised that fans accept that. Yeah. And apparently I looked on Twitter for The Skeleton Witch,

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And they're loving it. I mean, I suppose instrumental skeleton, which is better than no skeleton, which, but I would have thought like, you know, a guitar player or bass player or something would have like picked up the vocals. No one jumped up there and taken it. Yep. That is very interesting. So, and I was on Twitter and I thought, you know, because when you read a story like this, you think family problems or something. And someone said, no, his brother or someone's in the band with him. So you think it's not family problems because if it was his brother,

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would probably leave it could be health it could be it could be financial financial some problems legal you know who knows but we hope if it's illness or whatever we hope you're doing well and can't wait to have you back mm-hmm so and us being hockey fans this next news story here the Minnesota Wild are using the hammerfall song fury of the wild as their home intro song yeah as if you just listen to the interview we did with Brian Slagle of course we mentioned that

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there as well. Yep. And did you see this news story too, guys? Minus, the Exodus, Blood In, Blood Out, made number 38 on the Billboard charts. Metal is just charting left and right. I saw it. It was on Twitter again. Was this the highest charting Exodus ever for them? I'm sure it was, yeah. Yeah. They're not the only ones that charted, or well, are about to chart anyway. Yeah, I've taken these last couple news stories because I wanted to mention this one because this one hurts. And I never wanted to see some

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Take This Slipknot are projected to hit number one on the Billboard charts with between 100 and 110,000 copies sold. That is just wow. In one week. I mean, you're talking about like how Lamb of God did 250,000 in the year for... And they're doing like over 101 week. Holy crap. This angers me. This angers me because I'm a Pantera fan through and through. They got me into metal. Pantera previously held

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the heaviest band to debut number one. Not debut, but for the album to come out number one on the charts. So you think Slipknot is heavier than Pantera? That's what you're admitting here. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not. But you know this day and age that we live in, people would say, oh, this album and Far Beyond Driven, they'd say Slipknot's heavier than Far Beyond Driven. Well, technically it probably is. Doesn't mean it's better than Far Beyond Driven. I'll give you the podcast right now. But hey, I guess.

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My Slipknot 5 vinyl showed up the other day. It's a pretty nice vinyl. I saw the pictures of it. I haven't spun it yet, but like I said, I've been listening to the promo for it, and it's really good. I mean, obviously it's not going to make my end-of-the-year list, but it doesn't mean I can't enjoy it. Because it doesn't start with a T and end with an N. It doesn't start with T and end in Ripticon. But, no, I mean, it was

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It was a fun listen regardless

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So let's get into some new releases of the week

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Alright, this first band

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is one that I haven't really

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heard much about in a long time

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I've never heard of them

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They're called INC

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Indestructible Noise Command

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They put out two albums in the 80s

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and I remember them from the 80s

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And then they broke up or whatever

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for a very, very long time

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And they put out an album in 2011

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which was, meh, it was alright

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But then they're getting ready to release

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a new album called Blackhurst Serenade. And I got a copy of this and I've been listening to it and I'm like, hell yeah. This is a really good thrash album. So if you're looking for some good thrash and you've already got the new Exodus, check out Indestructible Noise Command and Blackhurst Serenade. Good stuff. Next up, of course, I won't go into too much. Obviously, the new Slipknot just came out. Lots of people have already apparently bought it. Check it out. The next one is one that I've been waiting for.

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Cool Band. These guys, when your last album came out and you said puke, check them out, these guys have really been hooking me. Yeah. This is Abysmal Dawn. They're an L.A. band. This is their fourth album called Obsolescence. I first heard about these guys when their last album came out, Leveling the Plane of Existence. This is some heavy-ass death metal. Technical good stuff. If you like it heavy and death, fucking check these guys out. Then, of course, there's the new Annal Mothrock. DC Day Rock.

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I believe is the name of the new Anonymous Rock album. Why do they have to make everything so complicated? I really loved their last album. Vanitas? I think that sounds like something you can order at Taco Bell. But yeah, I can't pronounce anything these guys do. But their last album was fucking killer. The new album, I have to admit, I've been listening to it. And it hasn't grabbed me as much as the last one yet. But I haven't even gotten all the way through the album yet.

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You were excited

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Right

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Remember you sent me a text

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And you're like

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Buke this is pretty good

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Yeah yeah

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When they

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They put out a

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You know a single

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YouTube video

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Whatever

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I was like

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Alright

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Because Godless says

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They're one of the best bands

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In my own now

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They certainly have that potential

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I will agree with that

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I could just be

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Being you know

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Bitchy

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You know

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I

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Maybe I was in a bad mood

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When I was listening to it

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You in a bad mood

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What

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Me

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Never

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Certainly not after

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A King Diamond concert

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But

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Maybe I wasn't paying close enough attention. I don't know. It just, you know, when I was listening to it, and I've only listened to it once, and I didn't even get all the way through, it just sort of sounded all the same to me. I was like, hmm, I don't know. Nothing special. Nothing, not as special as the last album, but, you know, I am definitely going to revisit it, and, you know, hopefully I'd be able to recant that at some later date and be like, no, that's fucking awesome. Now, this one, could this challenge for your number one? No. Wow! Hearing what I've heard so far, this is strong. This is at the gates.

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with at war with reality. I've heard the whole album. I have. I got the promo. Okay. It is good. It is very good. Is it a Slaughter of the Soul follow-up? It's along the same lines. Obviously, Slaughter of the Soul came out in 1995, so there's nearly 20 years of experience and whatnot. It doesn't sound like a direct sequel or anything, but it is in the same vein, and for that reason, it is, of course, really good.

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It's good because it's good. But what I mean is it's what you would expect. They didn't veer off into some strange, crazy direction where you're like, whoa, this is Ethic A. It's what? So in that sense, it is a really good album. For me personally, is that where I am right now? Nah, not really. You haven't been in that place in a couple years. Nah, nah. My head is in a completely different place right now. But I can easily give them the props and respect that they have earned and deserve.

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for this album, because it is a very good album. And it will make my list at some number. I just don't know where yet. And it was announced this past week that they're going on tour with Converge. I hate Converge. So do I. They're like a minute, two minutes of noise and screaming. Give me a week. They'll probably be my favorite band. Whenever I say I hate somebody, I always eat those words. Take a microphone, take a guitar, take some drums, throw it down the fucking flight of stairs. That's Converge.

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It's just, I don't know, I don't get it, but, you know, people like it. So, people like Dillinger Escape Plan, too. I know a couple of podcasters in particular, and I don't get that shit. Next on the list is Astro Doors, Notes from the Shadows. This is their seventh album, and these guys are a Swedish, kind of power metal band, kind of just a heavy metal band. You know, like, obviously, they've been around for a little while. I've never been a huge, like, oh, Astro Doors, but,

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But sometimes the singer reminds me kind of Dio. And so I'm like, oh. And so I always check them out. And I listened to a couple tracks off this album so far. And, you know, it's good. So definitely check these guys out. Dio in a sense, like epic? Yeah. I mean, he literally, the last album is called Jerusalem. And I didn't really notice it so much on the songs I listened to on this album. But on that last album, I was like, Jerusalem, I was spinning that. I was like, dude has got a very Dio sound to his voice.

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I was just like wow so that's what keeps me coming back one of the prodigies from Canada Devin Townsend is releasing Z2 you and I saw him live a couple years ago a blast seeing him live yeah I made a little bit of fun of him on Twitter the other day regardless about how he used to sing on that Steve Vai album with his weird haircut and all I was like wow that's really bad I mean it wasn't bad it was actually pretty good but it's kind of like you know I wouldn't own up to it now but the fact remains Devin Townsend

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of the most amazing people in metal now and of the past 20 years strapping young lad and like everything he's done solo the man is just i could never even begin to fathom what goes on in his mind he is a truly fascinating individual you've been strapping young young lad fan yes and no i i bought city on cd when it first came out and i was like oh wow that's different you know very heavy and i just got it on vinyl recently hell yeah um so you know mediocre

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I always pay attention to whenever he releases anything. I remember when we saw them live, I'm sitting there, and my exposure to him was minor. And I'm sitting there like... He was like the weird owl of metal. The whole shaved head thing kind of creeps me out. Yeah, and this is stage presence. The facial gestures he's making. He's a genius. And honestly, you know, it's just I firmly believe that we just don't understand what he's up to. Possibly.

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Now, the next one here, Obituary, Inked in Blood. Hell yeah. As I've been saying in the last few episodes, I'm a new convert to Obituary, even though I've been a metal fan for years and years, and they've been around for years and years. I just never got into them until recently. And, you know, I've been going back through the catalog and loving it up. And of course, I've been listening to the new album, and it is also quite good. You might need to do a convincing buke on these guys.

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Because the singer has always sound whiny. I used to think the same thing. And then I don't, for reasons unknown to me, I went back and listened to it. And I was like, wow, he sounds unique. It doesn't sound, I mean, with all the harsh types of vocals that I listen to, it's like, it's actually much clearer than quite a few of them that I listen to. So, you know, somehow I've acclimated to it and gone, oh, okay, I get it. So what's our indie band for the week?

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Wow, we're finally getting to that. All right. This week's indie band comes from our own backyard. This is the band Aries from their new album Rise. Now, this is an interesting story. I don't know if you've possibly read the article on the Metal Disciple website, or maybe I even mentioned it on a podcast, but this band first came to my attention when I went to a play, a musical, of Sweeney Todd that was done prog metal in Washington, D.C.

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by the Landless Theater Company. I went because Nina from Sound of Thunder was playing. I remember my response to you was WTF. Hey, what's wrong with theater, man? Especially when it's done metal. I'm not ashamed to admit I love Les Mis in theater. All right, then. Quit stomping on my balls. So anyway, my wife and I went to go see this production of Sweeney Todd, Prog Metal Sweeney Todd, and I was like, Nina, Nina. I was, I was, I was,

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I was digging on Nina and she did a great job and as did everyone in the show. But there was this one guy, his name's Rob Bradley, and he played the character of Pirelli. And he walks out on stage, his clothes, his costume, he's got his cape on, and he's supposed to be this flamboyant barber character called Pirelli. And he just busts out this like, what? You know, I couldn't even come close to that. And I was like, whoa, what is that? You know?

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It just stopped me dead and just blew my mind. I was like, okay, I want to hear more of this guy. And I'm like fumbling through the program for the show going, who's Pirelli? I'm like, Rob Bradley plays in a band called Aries. I'm like, okay, all right, I'm going to have to look that up. And when I did my write-up for the show, Rob contacted me and was like, hey, I don't actually remember the conversation specifically. I just know that he got a hold of me because he thought it was a good write-up.

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And he asked me if I wanted to hear Ares' new forthcoming album, Rise. And I was like, sure, you know, I'd love to hear it. So he sent me a copy of it. And unfortunately, with all the turmoil that's been going on in my life recently, in terms of my job, I have not been doing much reviewing on the website lately. And so the album came out and I hadn't gotten to the review yet. They played a show in Frederick at the Cafe 611 last weekend. I was out of town. I was like, ugh, you know.

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I don't want Rob to think that this has anything to do with what I think of his music because in fact I really liked their music and so I was able to finally publish a review this week. Ares music is not typical of what you're going to hear on this podcast. On this podcast I tend to play some really heavy stuff. Ares is more of a hard rock metal like late 70s early 80s kind of retro thing but yet not retro. It has a very contemporary sound playing in an older style. My like

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Off the top of my head, first impression of these guys was Old Judas Priest meets Operation Mindcrime era Queensryche. The music is really good. They do harder songs. They do ballads. Rob's voice is amazing. And I'm going to play you some songs from them tonight. I was so impressed. Normally we play two songs, but to give you a range of what this album sounds like, I asked Rob if I could play three songs tonight. So we're going to play two songs in a row.

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The Road One Way. Check that out.

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I am on my own, out on the run, and I'm like, oh yeah.

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The skies of where I roam Shifting gears, I feel the force 500 horses unleashed at once Chasing sunsets, racing forward I won't stop, resist a falter Streetlights, my woodlights I am Red Deadly without a hold

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The one way you fell on ice Through the gates of high and high One way or another Across the seas of storm I'm on my own Out on the road and I'm on my own One way or another Across the seas of storm I'm on my own

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Out on the road and on my gas The need for speed can't be bid A threat or kill that's out of seeking

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"Dream"

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One way or another...

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One way or another One way or another

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One way, one way, one way, one way

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One way or another

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Across the seas of snow

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I'm on my own, out of the road. And I'm like, one way or another. Across the seas of storm, I'm on my own, out of the road. And I'm like, I'm, I can't. One way or another, one way or

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All right, so that was Ares and The Road, One Way. We're going to play you another song from them now. This is more along the ballady lines,

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But it's still an incredible song. It takes me back to the old days in the 80s when I used to go to shows. Bands actually played a mix of the type of things. Nowadays, you have to be as heavy as possible all the time. So much cool stuff from that period has gotten lost. This is something that Ares is actually reviving. I hope more bands will do the same. Now, check out the song When the World Needs a Hero.

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"Times change, people seem to stay the same."

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Long days, fighting memories and pain.

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The world creeps around you in a life lifted out.

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How long will you suffer till you stand up and shout?

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You walk through the shadows, you march through the haze. Your mind starts to wonder as your heart starts to race. My words carry justice. A constant stone facing foes with a purpose even if I'm alone.

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The dawn of an era

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Kiss your past goodbye

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When the world needs a hero

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Face your fears and defy

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Different times, desperate people

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Are living alone in disguise

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When the world needs a hero

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Face your fears and defy

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You walk through the shadows

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You march through the haze Your mind starts to wander And all starts to race My words carry justice I'm cross and stone Facing first with a purpose Even if I'm alone It's the dawn of an era Kiss your past goodbye When the world needs a hero

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Fisting, being struck in fields is

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When the world needs a new home

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All right, that was Ares and When the World Needs a Hero. Pretty awesome stuff, yeah? Yeah, that was pretty sweet stuff. I mean, I had been totally oblivious to them before. Pretty good stuff. Excellent. So with Slagle on the podcast, I thought, hey, let's do a Metal Blade artist this week for our top three list. Sounds good. And I decided Amanamoth. Amanamoth. Yeah, so I thought, hey, let's do them for our top three list of the week, and here we are. Let's do it.

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I think this week we may be similar. I doubt it. Really? Okay. My number three is actually the album that got me into Amanomarth with Versus the World. Okay. The song Death and Fire. I heard it on Sirius XM radio. Hooked me back in the day. Number two is a pretty recent release is Twilight of the Thunder God. And number one,

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Because start to finish every song fucking rocks is with Odin on our side. We do not have a single overlapping album. Are you serious? I'm serious. No, we're not. I'm serious. Dude, with Odin on our side, let me just tell you fucking for a second here. Fucking for a second. No, no. That's what your wife said. With Odin on our side, Valhalla awaits, ruins to my memory.

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Gods to War with Odin on her side, Cry of the Blackbirds.

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There's no convincing me.

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I like all the Amon Amarth.

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I just happened to choose these albums for particular reasons.

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Can I say their most recent release, The Sea of the Gods, was kind of disappointing.

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No, you can't say that because that's one of mine.

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Okay.

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Like I said, go ahead, George.

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Go ahead.

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All right.

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I love this segment.

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Go ahead.

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My number three is their first album, Once Sent from the Golden Hall.

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Okay.

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This was the first time I heard the band. I received the promo from Metal Blade back in, God, what year was that? It was a long time ago. That's how long I've been doing this. I received the promo. I was like, Amon Amarth. That was 1998. Wow. That means I've been doing this for 16 years? Yep. Oh, man. I really got to, like, buckle down. February 10th, 1998. Oh, that's depressing. That means I really got to buckle down and start actually making something of myself.

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You're doing nothing with your life, George. Yeah. Well, the first few years, the website was not all that big of a priority. It was more of a hobby. It's still a hobby. I don't make any money from it, but I didn't spend as much time with it. You and I weren't even hanging out then, so it's okay. Those first couple years don't even count. Exactly. Anything before you doesn't count. But yeah, I got a promo for this, and I was like, huh, all right. Viking metal. Cool. It was an actual physical copy? Yes, it was a physical copy of the album.

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that Metal Blade sent me. Cool. Thanks, Brian. And yeah, I was just like, wow, you know, Viking Metal. Cool. That's awesome. And so... Did you know that they took their name from Lord of the Rings? At the time, I did not. Obviously, I do now, but yes. And so, you know, it has some sentimental value to me, and that's why I put it in the number three spot. My number two spot is Deceiver of the Gods. You just dissed all over my number two. What? Why am I best

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I don't know what your problem is first of all this is like the best sounding

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production the band has ever had is produced by my one of my favorite producers Andy Sneep and it's it's I don't know it's a really good album and because of the production you know I've always hounded them about the production over the years and with deceiver of the gods I finally got the absolute perfect production that I've been looking for and it blew me away my number one album if it's not freaking with

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Oh, no, no, no, no. Sorry, I'm going to lose my shit here. Surtur Rising. What? Oh, my God. I'm sorry. That's my favorite Amanomarth album. Okay. Destroyer of the Universe, Slaves of Fear, and Live Without Regret. Those three songs right there are fucking... When we saw them on tour, they played this whole album, right? It was the first couple songs, right? Mm-hmm. It was amazing. It was. It was amazing. I fucking love that album.

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I'm not gonna say it's bad. You know, I rated over Deceiver of the Gods. Deceiver of the Gods has yet again better production than Surtur Rising, but I like the songs better on Surtur. But with Odin on her side doesn't even make your radar? I only had three to choose from. What am I supposed to do? If I could choose them all, I would. Send your hate tweets to at MetalheadsPod. Okay. I love that segment.

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That's my favorite. You love to bash me. I love that. You're like, please tell me about bands. And then, fuck you. You're stupid. You know what you're talking about. I always bow to you. I like to say, because that segment is where our styles really come into play. Yeah. So, what's the convincing bug for this week? What are you going to try and convince me on? As I've been talking about, it's going to be Exodus. Can I stop you right there for a second? Let's go back. I was in traffic, leaving work.

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the other day.

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And I put on Overkill.

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So you're getting to me a little bit.

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Excellent.

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So just to go back an episode, you're helping me out a little bit.

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It's working a little bit.

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All right.

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Yep, it's slowly working.

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So this week's band is Exodus.

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Yep.

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But this time I'm giving you four because I'm going to give you two different eras.

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The first two songs are from Bonded by Blood, which featured Paul Bailoff on vocals.

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This is one of my favorite Exodus albums.

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The first song is the title track, Bonded by Blood. Fucking classic killer song. If you don't like this song, you can go fuck yourself. Get off my podcast. This is ridiculous. If you don't like this song, get out the hell out of here. Murder in the front row. Crowd begins to bang and there's blood upon the stage. Bang your head against the stage and metal takes its place. Bonded by Blood. Fuck yeah.

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It was lyrics. Hell yeah. Then there's another song from the album. I wanted to give you just sort of a variety of the bail-off. So the second song is And Then There Were None. You can check these songs out on the Middle Disciple Facebook page so you can listen along. The next two songs are from the Zitro era. I'm working on the assumption that you are already familiar with the Toxic Waltz. I know it. Yeah. I love the song, but because I know you are already familiar with it, I was not going to include it.

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If you're going to listen to it again, then that's on you. But from the same album, Fabulous Disaster, the third track to convince you is called Verbal Razors. It's a real, you know, Verbal Razors. It's about a song. It's like putting somebody in their place by just, you know. Talking shit to them? Not talking shit, but just, you know, totally like, you know, maybe they're talking shit and you're just like, boom, you know, that perfect comeback. You're putting them, you know, Verbal Razors cut you down to size. Yo mama.

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It's a great song. Okay. And I figured, well, I might as well give you something new as well. Normally I give you all songs from one album. I'm splitting this up over three albums. The first two songs from Bonded by Blood, the third song from Fabulous Disaster, and this last song is from their new album, Blood In, Blood Out, and it's called Collateral Damage. I wanted you to hear the earlier sound of Exodus and then the newer sound. I skipped the Rob Dukes era because, well, not that there was

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If there's anything wrong with it. Nobody cares, be honest. No, they do. It's not the bad stuff. Rob Dukes is a good singer. But for my purposes here, to turn you on to classic Exodus, these are the two singers that matter. So get on Facebook, check out these four tracks. Next week, Buke will come back with his response. Actually, it won't be next week. We won't be here next week. I'm out of town the Halloween weekend. But the week after that, we'll be back and Buke will have a response. And we've been getting some feedback about the past week.

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Thank you for that. Excellent. All right. So what have you been listening to? This is an interesting one. And I wanted to get your take on this. We mentioned this on a new releases of the week. Sanctuary. The year the sun died. Uh-huh. Maybe it's because I've heard so much Nevermore. Okay. I can't get Nevermore out of my head listening to this. Huh. You know what I'm saying? Does it sound like Nevermore to you? No, because Nevermore had more intricate, out there,

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their solo work. I guess Worrell's voice is so one of a kind that since I didn't listen to a lot of old Sanctuary, the only Worrell I can associate him with is Nevermore. That's what I latch him on to. So when I hear this new Sanctuary, I mention this because this album fucking rocks. It's not super heavy, but it is in this vein of Sanctuary. It is very good as far as I'm concerned. It's very good.

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But I'm hearing Nevermore. You know? Well, you know. Maybe I'd be the same way if I'd been a big Nevermore fan. Yeah. But for whatever reason, I was never a big Nevermore fan. So. The first convincing George show would be Nevermore. But, yeah, the new Sanctuary album. If you ever heard War of Dane's solo album, this is a lot in the vein of that. I love that album. But, man, this is a great album to listen to. It's just a classic metal album. It's not super heavy. If you ever heard Sanctuary growing up, it's just classic.

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It's just classic metal. Yep. Would you describe it the same way? It's just classic metal. It is. Yeah, it's just, it's not, it's not heavy. It's just. I used to call it thrash, but I wouldn't call this thrash now. It's not super fast. The production value is great. Yep. I love his voice. He's one of my favorite front man in metal. I walked into record tour the other day and they were playing this, so I was excited. Wow, that's interesting. Yeah, it's a great album. It is. It really is. All right, well, my album this week, I can't tell you a whole

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I don't know a whole lot about it but I picked it up because of the singer the band is called voodoo gods and the album is called anticipation for blood leveled in darkness I like that and the vocalist is of course corpse grinder from cannibal corpse George Fisher I was like what I'm like well I gotta hear this and there's also some vocals from the guy from severe torture and the bass player I don't know him by name but I was looking at some pictures

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And if I counted correctly, the dude has nine strings on his bass. So he is one of those like super duper bass player virtuoso guys. Yeah. And the drummer as well. So he's like the Les Claypool of metal. I guess, man. But, you know, I've been listening to this this past week and it's good. You know, if you like Cannibal Corpse, I don't think it's a stretch for you to get into this album. So check it out. Voodoo Gods. That's a great recommendation. All right. What's your

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for this week. We were talking about earlier, thanks Spotify, months ago for turning me on to these guys. I know they're a classic in the German thrash metal scene. And I know in your head right now you know who it is. I know one of three guesses. Sodom. I knew you were thinking it. Number one, right? Yeah. Sodom, their album Agent Orange came out in 1989. This is when they started to turn

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a little bit more into the air quotes German thrash metal style from their earlier albums. Okay. It's just a killer album. Just a killer thrash album. You know, right in the vein of creator, you know. Destruction. Yeah, Destruction. You know, the big three of German thrash. Exactly. You know, tracks like Agent Orange, which is probably the most popular song. Tired in Red, Remember the Fallen. Yeah, I know you've been telling me you've really been in the Sodom.

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I've really been into Sodom for a while. Ever since I found him on Spotify, I've just really been listening. And more so, modern Sodom has been great. Yeah. Excellent. So that's what I've been listening to this week. Sodom has been great. And the guy I am who's always loved war-themed stuff, a lot of this album talks about Vietnam-themed stuff. Agent Orange, go figure. Yeah, exactly. So, are we ever a Sodom fan?

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Not in the old days, not particularly. I've come to grow, or rather, they've come to grow on me over the years. Because I knew you were a Creator fan. Yes. You just never... Yeah, I don't know. I just, you know, Creator was always much bigger to me than Destruction and Sodom. I've been listening to both Destruction and Sodom a lot more lately, and like I said, they're growing on me. Maybe one time for my classic, I'll get into a Creator, but when you turn me on to their pleasure to kill,

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But even your later album, I'm trying to think of it, that has Endorama on it. That's Endorama, that's the album. Yes. They got a lot of crap for that album. Why? Well, I mean, it is very different from their origins and it's very different from what they're doing now. But I agree. Taking Alone, Standing Alone as a metal album, it's a great metal album. A great album. The album, I think it was the album before that, Renewal, they sort of did this like, kind of, I don't know, they started doing an industrial thing.

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I kind of really liked that album too. After Renewal, there was Cause for Con Conflict. Oh, was it? Yeah. Really? There was that between them? Yeah. Renewal came out in 92. Cause for Conflict was 95. Outcast in 97. And Andorama in 99. Huh. So there's two in the middle. That's interesting. And when did you get into them? Eminence Payne was 85. Pleasure to Kill was 86. My first album that I actually bought from them was Extreme Aggression. I'd heard of them.

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But in the 80s, it was hard to come by certain things. And so the first one that I was able to find was Extreme Aggression. Could you do a top three for them? Not off the top of my head, but if we thought about it, maybe next time. That's why I love you. Okay. What do you? My classic this week is something that I recently picked up on vinyl. Okay. Surprise, surprise. I love your classics. This is the 1989 debut album from Atheist called Piece of Time. These guys are a Florida death metal band.

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They kind of musically bridged the 80s thrash and the coming 90s death metal scene. Technically, they're death metal, but musically, they sounded a lot influenced by the late 80s thrash scene. I picked up the vinyl a couple weeks ago, and I've been listening to it and listening to their other stuff and just getting into it. So that's my classic for this week. I have never heard of them before. Never heard of them ever. Ever? No, serious. Wow.

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I just pulled them up on Wikipedia right now. Never heard of them. Get on it. Seriously. This is it, right? There's a little... Yep, that's it. Never heard of them before. Listen to it on the way home. Pull it up on Spotify. Check it out. You know, everything you tell me, I do listen to. So, dude, this was probably one of... This is my favorite week we've ever had. And this is definitely the longest podcast we've ever had. Yeah. So, all right. Well, we are going to close things out now. Make sure to check us out.

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on Facebook. There's a MetalDisciple.com Facebook page. You can get a hold of me on Twitter, Disciple OV Metal. You can get a hold of Buke at OpethFan. Or at Buke at WeAreMetalHeads.com. You can get a hold of either of us on Twitter at MetalHeadsPod. As Buke mentioned, we're now on Instagram at MetalHeadsPodcast. We're on Stitcher. We're on YouTube. We're slowly expanding to every possible avenue of things. iTunes,

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Subscribe on iTunes. Have it show up on your device right away. And if you do listen to us, could you, I'm not saying leave a review, just leave a comment. Because I've seen with a lot of these sites, the more, you know, comments are out there, you know, the more it kind of bumps you up. So we're not asking, we don't care. Five stars, one star. We just want honesty. Yeah, let us know what you think. And, you know, hey, if we're doing something that you think is fucking stupid, tell us, you know, maybe we'll fix that shit for you. And to

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Adam and Dan who... Adam. Adam. Adam. A-D-E-M. Okay. To Adam and Dan who sent in questions for Brian, thank you. Yes, that's always helpful. To Brian Slagle himself. And he liked those questions. Yeah, he did. When you told me them, I was like, wow, these are both better than anything I have to ask him. Yeah. To Brian again, thank you for taking an hour out of your day to join us.

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Yes, it made our day. It made our freaking day, made our week, made our year. Indeed. So thank you to you, Brian. All right. We're about to get out of here. But before we do that, we're going to play you a third song from Aries. This is Dogs of War. See you later. See you.

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I'm breaking out

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To the streets, a sense of wonder compels me. Nostalgia scream. I start to shout, it's so obscene. So far out. I can't stop this crazy feeling. Always on my mind.

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Dwarves of war, on my own, on the run. Dwarves of war, a beast of peace never cease. I'll take what is mine, but I'll never satisfy. I'm a quest for retribution, determining your

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I'm so alive, setting free won't make believe I'm deceived I'm forced to lead, I'm built to last, I'm made for speed

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I can't stop this crazy feeling, always on my mind.

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Dawns of war on my own, on the road you'll never stay.

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DONGSOMERY!

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DONGS OF WAR!

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A PLEASED,

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A PEAK,

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NEVER SEAT!

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I'll take what is mine!

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I'll live satisfied!

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My quest for retryfusion,

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DINTIMIUMENTY OF FUNCTION!

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ДИНАМИЧНАЯ МУЗЫКА

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Dawns of war

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On my own

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On the road

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Beyond you suddenly

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Dawns of war

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On these are things

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Never cease

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I'll take what is mine

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I'll never satisfy

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My west retribution

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Determining your conclusion

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I can't stop this crazy feeling always on my mind. Justice bests across the ribs of my determined hands.