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Now, here is the podcast, Metal Heads Podcast.

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Hello, and welcome to the Metal Heads Podcast.

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My name is George.

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This is John.

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This is the Matt Situation.

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This is Markisan.

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And we are joined today, once again, by our good friend,

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Trevor Portz of Abhoria and Ashen Horde. Welcome Trevor. Hello. I'm very happy to be back. It's kind of cool. This feels like hanging out with just old friends. It's awesome. Yeah, we've done this a while, you know, a number of times. So do we get a seat or something like when you host SNL five times? Yeah, I'll send you something actually. Yeah, becoming like Bill Burr on Conan O'Brien. Have you been on more than anybody else? I think so. No, that's a great question. Have I? Probably.

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Yeah, yeah. I mean, you and Keith D and, yeah, you and Keith D are probably in the running and I would guess, I don't know. Somebody needs to, yeah, somebody's got to count it up. We should give them something. I feel like he and I need to come on together and have some sort of showdown. Yeah, yeah. That'd be great. I've been a guest on another podcast called the Endless Metal Podcast and they gave me a coffee mug and I've only been on there twice. Wow. Nice. What do you get for five times? Like a, you know. Like a jacket? Yeah. All right.

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So Trevor, I have to bring this up. I heard a rumor that you hate the Scottish countryside and puppies. Oh my God. Forgot about that post. Yes, apparently I do. So I have this. Everyone knows, right? When you turn on your, well, if you have a PC, you get the like random beautiful image that they have selected for you. Right now I have a toucan. Click of, I do not like this image. And I randomly accidentally clicked.

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I did it on an image of the Scottish countryside and I just wonder what the algorithms think like no I do not like this I want something I don't know more grotesque and like yeah anyway so apparently whatever AI is running that thinks I hate puppies and the Scottish countryside and probably other beautiful things yeah I'm truly like a basement dweller guy that there I made a note of that when I saw that I was like I'm gonna have to bring that up but I also wanted to correct you and say it's the Scotch countryside Scotch sorry

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So congrats on the January release of Vaporia's second album for Prosthetic Records Depths, which I assume is an ode to how low one must sing to agree to be on this podcast. Multiple times at that. Multiple times. That's why I was in caps when I got it on Bandcamp. Oh, it was all caps. Yeah. Yeah. So was there anything different about writing and recording Depths compared to the first album? Did you do?

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I guess the biggest thing for me writing wise is I feel like I just had a little bit more of a

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abhorious sound I kind of with the first record I was going into something completely new and didn't

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really know exactly what I wanted I kind of had a vague idea and I think I got there with most of the

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songs but this time I had a much clearer plan of what I was aiming for so I feel like the album's more

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cohesive a little bit more consistent apparently it's relentless a couple reviewers for a very

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I apologize to anyone that I exhausted with this record. But yeah, I mean, that's just apparently what I went into. It's very energetic. So yeah, that was, I think, the biggest difference. And then, you know, we did have a member change, brought in a new vocalist. But I can't really say that influenced the writing because it didn't happen until midway through the album recording. Everything else was done. So I really had our, you know, just kind of put all the lyrics out there. And he went in and did them sort of sight unseen, voice unheard, and knocked it out. So the next record I will write with his voice.

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I have vocals in mind too so that'll be a change for sure he's great on the record Ben Pitts yes can you talk about how you came to bring him into the band and what he brings yeah Ben saved the day because like I said we were in the middle of the record when things kind of went down and everything else was done everything else was recorded we were literally into getting into vocals when everything happened and so I had actually flown out to Denver where we were recording it didn't finish the sessions came back home in a blind panic was like oh my god a I have a nine songs worth of lyrics

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to write. B, we have to turn this record in for mixing in like three weeks or something crazy. And so I just started hitting up friends like, hey, any recommendations? And luckily, the other dudes in the band knew Ben. And I've known him for on and off over the years we've come into contact. He was in a bunch of different Denver bands. He was in Vimana with Zach from Sephalic Carnage and he's done a bunch of stuff. So I hit him up, had a quick video chat, was like, dude, here's the deal. Can you knock this thing out? And he went in, did it, and it was amazing.

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The performance was like just absolutely perfect. So. So what happened? Was there just a scheduling conflict or was there some sort of like rock star drama around this or what's up? Give us the dirt. It was definitely more in the rock star drama thing. I'm not going to go too deep into it, but it did not work out. And yeah, it was a pretty awkward. He really liked puppies apparently. Yeah. He's like, I like Scottish countryside with puppies.

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Yes, exactly. That was it. It was kind of like the Corn Flakes debate you always hear about with the black metal guys back in the day. Yeah. So it's fine. I mean, I wish Wally the best. He's a really cool dude. It just, we were not on the same page. It didn't work out and that's fine. Happens. He'll, you know, I'm sure he'll continue to do cool stuff and we've stayed in contact. So that's all good. Just wasn't the right thing for this band. Sure. Cool. Yeah. So it does seem like the record's doing fairly well. It's certainly a one will's hard to secure seal of approval. Yes. That was awesome.

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I don't do things solely to please Will, but when it happens, it is a bonus. Indeed. Indeed. Hopefully he'll be here a little later and he can. Yeah. Is he like too starstruck by me now or something? Yeah. He was just like, I'm scared. I'm scared. I don't want to come on. You guys soften him up for me and then maybe I'll come on later. He's afraid I'm going to tell him that the next record is going to be like all clean vocals by me. Yeah. Well, that's why he's not coming on.

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your talking is all unclean. So if you growled it, then he'd be a hearer. Well, you know, if you pitch shifted it, it could be children. You know, if it went high enough, it could sound like children. That's true. So it'd be clean children singing. Is that a genre people are looking at now? Singing over black metal? I think it was Behemoth that had the children singing, and he was offended by that. We call it the Behemoth Paradox. Okay, interesting. Yeah. Yeah, somehow you can actually call it that.

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Children and like choral at the same time. It's like a big old chorus of children. Add that extra symphonic bit to it and then his head might explode. I love like children's choir singing. It's just like soothing. But over black metal. I'm surprised it's not on the Isan record. But there's no kids on the Isan record though as far as I know. I know that's what I'm saying. I'm surprised there isn't. It's Isan.

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He doesn't need kids. Kids are still afraid of him, even in his turtleneck. I'm afraid of him, even in his turtleneck. He's probably the nicest guy in the world for all we know. So I know we're going to talk about that, I think, at some point, but tangentially, yeah. So we saw Emperor, they came through here last year during the anniversary of Anthems, and it was really funny. So I had seen them back in 97, I think it was 97, 98, whenever they played Milwaukee Metal Fest, and that was like at the height of

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All of that stuff. And we did, they did like a signing and scared the shit out of us. They just seemed like everything you read about them. And this show, you know, they come out, everyone's grown up. Eson's looking very normal and like a button down, right? And there's a one point between songs where he's like, you know, we're so happy to be back in LA connecting with old friends, meeting new friends and uniting over music and this passion we have that brings people together. And I was just like, wow, things have really changed.

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from back in the day when his whole thing is about like bringing us together and he was super excited and very posing like a rock star it was just a different world he was very tame personality wise i've seen him twice solo at prog power and both times he was just like oh thank you very much for coming today i'm like aren't you supposed to like make us feel like fear right growl for me then they blew the amp they blew the whole sound on the stage the second time i saw it was freaking awesome

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I thought there's some prog nerds that are scared right now.

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Yeah.

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This is awesome.

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Yeah.

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You know, had I known that they were going to come and like tour everywhere around here, I might not have gone to Valken because that was the big driving thing for me was to see Emperor there.

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Cause I was like, I'm never going to get this chance again.

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And I mean, you know, granted I got to meet Matt and Eric and see Chris and it was altogether a great slash horrible experience, but I might've reconsidered.

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had I known that they were going to come everywhere else. Same thing with Merciful Fate when I bought Valken tickets that we didn't end up going to because Merciful Fate was going to play. I was like, oh shit, I'm never going to be able to see this. And then they toured everywhere. I was going to say, Trevor, so the album, I read that, you know, explores scenarios where people are in a dystopian world. They're trying to survive and face adversity. And I know you love doing concepts for your album. So why did you want to explore that with the Emporio record?

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Yeah, great. It's funny. So the first record, I dabbled in that a little bit. I think, I don't know, I tend to write better. I think just long form. That's just how my brain works. I don't do well with little mini things. So on the first record, it was more of a theme. Some songs fell into it and some didn't. So for the second record, I was like, all right, I'm going to really lean into this and kind of imagine this dystopian world. It kind of fit into the cover art of the first record too and tie all the songs together with that theme. So basically at the beginning, you've got this person who's

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The world's kind of fallen apart all around them, but they have stayed secluded in their home, whatever. Like, I don't want to know. I'm just going to keep to myself. But finally have this kind of epiphany of like, I need to go out and at least see what's going on. And go on the Metalheads podcast. And go on the Metalheads podcast, exactly. And go out. And then basically the record kind of follows them from place to place as they travel across and just see these horrible things that people are doing to each other. Thus, the depths that people are willing to go to.

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So that's kind of the thing. So it's not quite as, you know, concept-y, I guess, as like some of the Ashtonard records, but it did have that running theme. Sounds happy. I don't know. I don't know why I like that so much, exploring. I think for whatever reason, I just have a fascination with like how people deal with extreme adversity. Like I'm, knock on wood, fortunate that I haven't really had to and hope I won't ever have to, but it's interesting to kind of put yourself in someone else's shoes if they were in that situation.

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Do you think about how you might survive something like that? Oh, I would not. I think that's the fascination. I wouldn't make it past the first instance I would be gone or eaten or something. So it's like, what would someone unlike me be like in this situation? Right. Yeah. I'm like, if this was like a walking dead or a last of us or whatever kind of situation, I just look out the window, see everything going to hell and then just like slam my head in the door until I lose consciousness. Right. Exactly.

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I don't know I couldn't think of anything I don't I don't own a gun I suppose I have sharp objects but that just yeah so yeah I don't know but yeah I don't think I would fare very well in a post-apocalyptic world yeah I would not be the badass like Pedro Pascal and yeah that would not be me so there's the fascination I'll do I guess so next month you start a tour that's pretty awesome how did that come about

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It's something we needed to do

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I mean, you know, the band

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It's funny, so when I originally got

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Abhoria together, the idea was

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because Ashen Horde was like strictly a studio

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band, and I didn't have any intentions

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at the time of changing that, I was like, it'd be nice

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to have a band that can actually play

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live, and so

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that's how it was crafted

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COVID hit, nothing ever happened with us

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and so finally, it's like, alright

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we got another record coming out, we really should actually

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do this thing and promote it, so

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So we got together, did a couple shows in August, the first three. And that was interesting because A, I hadn't played live in like a bazillion years. I just, it's something that had kind of fallen off of my to-do list. And the other guys live in Colorado. I live here, but like I literally met our new guitar player, Theo, two days before the first show. I never even met him before. He'd learned all the songs separately. So we did the three shows, had a blast. It went over really well. And so now we're going to try to take this thing on the road. So we got, yeah, 11 shows starting in Denver, opening for night. And then we just,

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Up and Around Down the Coast, ending in Long Beach. So it's going to be a thing. I hope it's awesome. I don't know. I don't know what to expect. Are you ready? I am. I'm as ready as I can be. I will tell you, A, I'm never self-booking a tour ever again. If I have to do that, I'm out of here. Done. That's it. Yeah, we touched on that a little bit when we were messaging back and forth. Like, what is it just you reaching out to venues? Are you working with promoters? I feel like does your list still have one that is TBD?

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No, we're finally on TBD. We got that all wrapped up last week. The last gig in Yakima, Washington is finally done. So yeah, no, it's been doing all of that. We were fortunate enough to have a couple promoters in Portland and Eugene, Oregon, I think a couple that helped, but most of them, it was just me reaching out to venues, reaching out to local bands. And there's this kind of funny thing where the venues want the lineup secured before they'll secure the date for you. But the bands kind of want to know,

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what the deal is. Is the venue locked in and all that before they agreed to it? So it's this horrible back and forth. Yeah. And plus, you know, you need three or four bands per city. And so it's like you're just going band after band trying to find a band you like, see if they're available, get them on the bill. And then some would say yes, then they have to pull out and blah. So it's just and I'll tell you the piece I hate probably the most is I am incredibly impatient. So I send out a message that says, hey, you guys want to join us for a show on 323? I can't wait three weeks to

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I want instant gratification every time. It's the four hour rule. Six months of my life. Yeah. I'm done. Never again. But outside of that. So yeah, that was the big thing. And then, you know, we got a book of and book hotels, buy all the merch, get all that stuff done. All of it's done now. Everything from t-shirts and caps to custom picks to everything else we need is done. And now it's just a matter of

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Flying to Denver, rehearsing for two nights, and we're on. Nice. Yeah, I'm sure Will, if he was here, would commiserate with you about booking, being that he had, you know, at Atlas, he was the one that would schedule the bands. And so, you know, bands would call him and the opposite end of, you know, what you were doing. But he's got his own horror stories about, you know, trying to get bands booked and stuff. So. Yep, it is. So Trevor, if this goes well, would you see yourself expanding?

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to other regions of the country for touring? Or is this kind of like a... East Coast. Yeah. No, I'd totally be down. I'd love to do more. I mean, I will tell you, too, as a side effect of playing a little, I have gotten this urge to actually put together a functioning version of Ashen Horde because as I'm doing this, I'm like, God, I'd really like to play some of those songs, too. So I think this would, but we need a promoter or someone willing to step in and do that piece. I will gladly show up and do all the shows.

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Well, we know a promoter out here. Hassan.

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How does that work with your job? Because I noticed the dates are all tight. There's no time off. It's like 11, 12 days or whatever. So are you burning like a chunk of your leave for the year on this?

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Yeah, we're taking, I mean, that's the thing. Everyone's got kind of normal jobs. So yeah, it's partially vacation though. This is the other magic of working in 2024 is on days where we don't have much going on. I can work remotely.

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I was going to ask you next. So, you know, it's going to be a mix. On the long drive days, obviously those are going to be out. But yeah, on other days when we're just kind of bumming around in towns, I totally expect to go on and do all the work things. Even if you did half days, that goes a long way. I don't want this cutting into your, you know, traveling so that I can live vicariously, like I said, you know. I need you to go places that are interesting, not Denver. Not that Denver isn't in.

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You don't think my video diary from like driving through Utah is going to be quite as exciting? Depends on what part of Utah you're in. That's true. But now that was part of the deal too with my wife is like, you know, this can't impact our regular travel schedule. And like, no, we're good. Yeah. I saw you're going, you're playing a show in a place called Aces High in, I think that was in Utah. That's wild. I would go to a place called Aces High. Yeah. Even if it's not maiden themed, that's like,

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Yeah.

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Did I say Motorhead?

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I was thinking, I don't know what's a good, yes.

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Oh, you're thinking Ace of Spades?

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Sorry.

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Ace of Spades.

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Ace of Spades.

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I'm having one of those moments.

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Yes, Ace is high.

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What's the one that's on the cover of Somewhere in Time?

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The something arms.

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Oh my God.

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I have so many friends who have murdered me for not knowing this.

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Yeah.

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Rust in Arms.

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Yeah, that sounds right.

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I hope that makes up for the Motorhead comment.

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That's right.

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I could be wrong though.

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That just made it even worse.

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Well, I want to talk to you about the video that you did for the well. So that was shot in the mountains outside of Denver in 20 degree weather. What was that experience like for you, Trevor? Yeah, it was pretty agonizing. Yeah, we it was perfect for the atmosphere is exactly. But yeah, we went up in there and the spot was really cool. Like the river behind us is completely frozen over. But it was like a half mile from the road up in the middle of the mountain. So we had to log all the gear down there. And then, you know, run the way down.

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through the set, your fingers are fully numb. And so like, I had no idea if I was hitting the right notes. Luckily they cut away a lot. So you can't tell if I'm like totally bombing it, but yeah, it was, it was painful. So we shot the thing. It took a couple of hours to shoot all the band stuff. And then we had to shoot all the actors doing their part and they were troopers. They hung out the whole time. They like in there digging in the water and just freezing cold. Everyone was losing it. You know, I remember I was, as they were shooting their scenes, I was following behind with hot hands, just handing them out to everybody.

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But the real joy was at the very end, after this six, seven-hour day, started snowing. We're all wet. We got everything packed into the cars. We start going back, and Ben, the vocalist, and Igor, a bass player, were driving ahead of us. We get to a hill, and they just, nothing. They cannot go up because it had snowed. They start sliding backwards. We're behind them. I'm like, oh, shit, what are we going to do? And so they managed to kind of back into a person's driveway, and we're like,

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We're an hour out of Denver. We can put everyone in here. The gear's in the van. What are we going to do? We can't. So we managed to get them turned around and go a different way that took us way out of the way, but downhill. It was terrifying and horrible, but we made it. We all survived. And luckily the video turned out really well. I was going to say alternative idea for the video, Donner Party. That would have been the next step. And I mean, Ben is the newest. He probably would have been the one we eat. Yeah. You know, I'm sure you've seen the meme.

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about the Norwegian Forestry Service spend 80% of their time rescuing black metal bands from photo shoots out in the snow. That's what I thought of. It was actually really funny though because we were just off of like a hiking trail and even in the weather there were hikers and you know we had these speakers just blaring the music so we could mime along to it and you know people would stop and just like what is going on and a couple actually came down and said hi and everything but it was very surreal like people just out for a

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Hiking, like what the hell are these lunatics doing? Wildlife is just very, very confused. Yeah, exactly. Well, it's a really cool video, so I'm glad you got the shoot. It's a great outtake. I should, I don't know if I posted it ever, but we filmed me playing the solo standing on the frozen river and it was slick as shit. And so like the first time they start to do it, I just start sliding backwards. Go, go, go. I'm like, Oh God, Oh God, Oh God. He's, he's hovering. No, he's sliding.

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Exactly. Not to spoil, we're working on the third record now. We're going to start recording as soon as we get back, but it's got an even more epic Arctic theme. And I'm like, because I was like, after we finished it with the director, Kyle was telling him like, next time we're not doing this in the snow, we're doing something. And I'm like, and now we're doing an entire record that literally takes place in the freezing North. So it's going to be worse. It has to be.

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I was just thinking that George. It would probably get us more plays. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. My mankini. Yeah, exactly. You need like a bar at thong and then like one of those Russian hat, you know, woolly hats and like sunglasses and yeah. Big furry boots. But now I have a new idea for merch. Yeah. Well, I love the cover for the record too by Dan Seagrave. You want to talk a little bit about, about that Trevor and how that came to be?

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you like some really cool artwork for your for your albums and yeah i do and i have i think

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that's some there's so many 90s records that the cover art was just so amazing i remember buying them and i

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would just like stare at it you know you listen to the record and just stare at this like especially

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these typically dystopian bizarre worlds that he created and so you know we worked with adam burke on the

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first record i think it turned out great his art and then trying to figure out what to do for this one

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And I don't remember exactly which album I was looking at. It was Entombed or something. And I was like, I wonder if I could actually get Dan Seagrave to do this. Obviously not for free, but if I hit him up. So I was like, you know what? I don't know what we're going to do if we're going to ever make records again. I might as well go all out for this one. So I wrote him and sent him the demos. And he was like, yeah, totally can do it. And he was super nice, super cool to work with. And I was just super, you know, really happy with what he came out with.

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So it's just, yeah, it's a sweet one. I don't actually don't have a copy of the vinyl yet. I have them all sent to Denver. Yeah, I have them all sent to Denver because I want to take some out on the road. So I haven't seen it on that in proper format. It's very nice. It's very nice. That's interesting you say that, Trevor, you mentioned the 90s album covers. I don't know how, and this is a question for you, Trevor, but for everybody, given the, you know, uproar now with AI covers. So you had an actual person do a cover, which is very cool.

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But I think back to some of those 90s covers that people for years made fun of. Oh, the art's not that great. It's kind of lame. Now I look at them and I'm like, man, these are like a thousand times better than some of the stuff that's out today. Because the AI generated stuff just looks, it looks weird. It's so polished and everything. And then I look at some of these old like, see, progmental bands used to have all these weird covers, you know, because they're trying to create something. And people would laugh. Oh, look at this. This is a joke.

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And some of the death metal bands too, of course. I mean, I think I like the Monstrosities Millennium album. Remember that one? Yes. And I go back now and I'm like, these things are weird. Yeah. I could stare at them like you said for hours now while I'm listening to the album. I'm like, this is great. So it's got to feel good that you got an actual artist to work with you. Considering how everything is like, and I understand some bands can't afford stuff. I don't knock all bands, but there are some bands that can and they're still using it. It's just kind of wonder why.

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That's where I think it gets me. And I am sympathetic. I'm fortunate enough that we were able to do this and kind of go all out and get this really well-known dude. But yeah, I get it. If you don't have money, that sucks. But there are still ways. I've seen it's like, use royalty-free art, go find things that cover expired. There are ways to get around it that isn't just using an AI version of your favorite artist. And I feel like you should want to get a real artist because this is an expression.

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of this music that you've made. Why would you want something that's fake? You want something that really encapsulates the creativity and the badassness of your record? Like, I don't. It's so crazy that you would. I think maybe for the younger bands that have zero resources, I could see that happening. Or podcasts. And I'm, if we ever did stuff, I'm more than willing to pay, but I can see where somebody might not have that option. I'm not defending the whole idea. I hate AI. I'm, I,

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I've been saying for years, if you didn't watch, you know, Terminator and you thought it was a joke when I made those jokes years ago, that shit's happening now all of a sudden. Even my mom knows about Skynet now. The thing is, it's only going to get better, right? I mean, we had a demo at work the other day of an automatic AI translation. It was a woman giving a little presentation and then it shows her doing it in German and French and Italian. Her mouth moves right. It's her voice and it's perfect. And like, that's the thing with the art too. Right now, you can't

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can more or less tell, but it's just going to keep getting better until you can't. And yeah, I mean, I guess it's the same thing. I keep hearing that with music, but like, you know, it's not going to be long before AI can generate songs that you're not going to know the difference. So I guess it's just going to become a thing where you want to go for the old school analog and some people will choose not to, and then some people choose to seek it out. Hopefully it won't get good enough very quickly. But I think about movies though. Some of the CGI,

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stuff in the past is better than the new stuff. Like I still feel like they haven't nailed that down. So Barb came to me about a week ago about a work thing and she was like, hey, you know, do you know something that I could use to make a work video? And I was like, well, you know, there's this and there's that and the other thing. Canva was one that I've seen and it's, you know, lets you pull in various effects.

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And it's like animation stuff. While I was searching, I came across AI video. And I was like, well, just for shits and giggles, let's cue this up and see what it can do. And I typed in the phrase, create a video showing school kids how to take a survey, you know, like the old bubble things. And it created within five minutes, I had an exquisite five minute actual video.

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like pieced together and it's the AI voice is talking it wasn't perfect but it was pretty good

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I didn't even give it the details and it got almost everything right

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Barb was like oh my god you typed in this and got that right it's like a little too good yeah it's very scary so

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it's gonna be everything soon I just yeah I feel like a Luddite kind of like avoiding it to some degree I mean I'm certainly aware of it

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But I haven't really dabbled much in it. I guess maybe because I do have some kind of moral conviction against it. But I will say the one thing I've done in there that made me laugh is we have a song on the new record called The Inexorable Earth. And it kind of became the band joke to call it The Inexorable Earth. And so I did it. I asked AI to generate a picture of basically in excess in a dystopian world. And it created a picture of a very realistic looking Michael Hutchins walking down a broken street with like collapsed buildings behind him.

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So you got it.

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I love playing with the video, the image generators.

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I mean, I understand bad and all.

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That's why I haven't used any of this stuff except on the other podcast,

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but it's fun to play with just to see what you can come up with because it's not particularly the graphic stuff.

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I have not had a lot of success with just saying, Hey, give me this.

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And it gives me what I want.

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You really have to get very specific.

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And in my case, because I can Photoshop, it's easier to just say, give me this, give me this.

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and Photoshop it all together. And then I've got what I want. So it's semi-creative. That's a role now though, right? I've seen ad for prompt engineers. Like it's a thing. Wow. Like know how to feed the AI, what it needs to generate what you want. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's actually been in the news lately because Unleash the Archers, which is a band. Oh yeah. They did a video and they actually tried to do it ethically where they had one artist, they contracted him, they paid him and they fed his artwork into AI.

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the video, which is really cool. Except that when you use these programs, they don't just take work from one person. They're still pulling from other sources. And they didn't realize that. Now they have to apologize for that. And their whole album is about AI. So I thought it was cool that they tried to use AI, incorporate it into the album, because that's the whole theme of the album. But it's been pretty controversial for them, even though they've been trying to do it in a way that respects artists.

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respects the work. It seems silly that they're getting beat on so hard when they didn't know much about that. I agree. And they have to apologize to appease the person who's pissed off. Ignorance is not an excuse. These aren't taxes here, all right? I guess my point is, if they said, look, we're sorry, we didn't realize that should be good enough for people. And it's funny, I saw some people who called them out, then admitted that they used the same person for the AI.

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Yeah. I'm like, okay, that's great. But what's the point of pointing that out? I mean, I don't know. The fact is that they actually put the disclaimer in there saying like, we just use artwork that we paid for this thing before they even, you know, when they put the video out. So clearly they were trying to do that. It wasn't something that they. Right. They weren't maliciously doing it, knowing what they were doing. And Marcus, I agree. I'm glad you brought up this because I did read that. Isn't it ironic that the whole point of this, the theme of the music is this whole concept.

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So now their next album is going to be all about how they had to apologize to appease those three angry dudes. That's going to be the album title, actually, Three Angry Dudes. They really should call their tour the Apology Tour. Wait, I feel like that's a running joke for something else somewhere else that somebody did. I don't know. I get it. I agree. They shouldn't use that stuff as a means of always using it, but it just seems that the reaction should have been a little

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Tamer to say, hey, this is kind of messed up. You're right. We didn't know. Okay, next. Well, there's no rules for it yet, you know. So you're going to stumble until, you know, it gets figured out. That's just how everything works. But if that's the case, these people should get really pissed off at the algorithm and social media. That thing is ruining sites for people left and right who just want to be able to get their ideas or products out there. And they can't because the algorithm destroys them every time. That would be us. That would be.

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We're not Taylor Swift, so we are victims.

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Well, no, we're not victims.

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We're just, we're that Pillsbury, remember the joke that Pillsbury, was it a Farside?

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Pillsbury Dough, boy, he's trying to run away into steamrollers coming after him.

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I can't remember who did that, that comic.

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That's, and I just absolutely lost it when I saw that.

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Farside was Gary Larson.

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Right.

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I know.

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Oh, okay.

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No, I said, was it the Farside?

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Oh, I don't know.

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That did that.

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Yeah.

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I wasn't sure if it was.

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Yeah.

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So back to the art, you've had two well-known artists do the first two albums. Who do you want on the third? I don't know. Who's your dream pick? I've been thinking about that a lot lately, actually. And also like with the style. So like I said, we kind of, the story is crafted, the music's all written. I'm working on the lyrics now. It's like, I need to kind of figure out what style fits this record. I think it's going to be something very different given the premise. So I'm not sure yet, but it is in my head because the minute we, you know, things take

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So the minute we start recording, I'm going to probably want to start getting that sorted out. So I assume that will be a topic of conversation while we are driving from eight hours. Yeah. For the two or so. So get some serious distance on some of those shows you got to cover. Yeah. There's going to be a couple painful days. It's going to be some shitty days. Road farts. That's tough. Did you at least get a big van? Yes. Okay. We have a couple drivers so we can rotate that. But yeah, there's some eight hour days that are going to be tough. Yeah. Just watch your equipment.

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I keep hearing more and more about people getting their stuff stolen. I know we were thinking about that too not you know air tags and also like just bring it in into the hotel every night kind of thing like anything that is too valuable so maybe. Is that is anyone going with you guys or is it just. Just us. So literally one person might have to just stay by the van while and just trade off because it's not worth it. You're right. Too many bands are getting screwed lately losing everything.

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Oh, yeah, no, it's horrible. So, yeah, I think we'll, you know, we're trying to just be careful. But yeah, I mean, I thought that I'm like, if the worst of it is we bring all the gear in, I'm frankly willing to do it. Air tags is a good idea. Like put it in the, put them where you can't see them in the cases and stuff. So, you know. And you find out like it's being sold in some pawn shop in Nashville. Yeah, I know. Exactly right. We know there's a certain person on the podcast that always complains about clean singing.

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Are your guitars going to be clean on this tour since it's black metal? Are they going to be dirty and dirgy? I hadn't thought about that, but purely clean. Should we just like no distortion? I want to hear every kick stroke. Unplugged, man. Acoustic all the way. All the way. No, I like the electric through the amp because you need the volume, but I want no distortion whatsoever. Nothing. Just, oh my God. I can hear a pin drum. So strange. I can't even, I like acoustic drums. So it'd be no fuzz.

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what you're saying. No fuzz. None whatsoever. Just the most pure signal, like directly into the speaker. That's it. Yeah. That's a great idea. Maybe we should try that. I would just love to see him. I say this affectionately to Will. Just see him standing there. His guitar sucked. Too clean. You know what makes me think of what I'm afraid of? It would sound like there's a clip. I assume it's real. I've never technically fact-checked it. Of like Courtney loves direct signal, unprocessed, live. And it's just like, clink, clink, clink. It sounds like she doesn't

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what a guitar is. That's what I'm afraid it would sound like. It would just reveal. So what you're saying is she was just exposed. Yes. Yeah. It'd be great if you can get the brown note, but people are still searching for that to this day. So. The brown note? Yeah. You've heard of Eddie Van Halen's brown note? His brown sound? Oh, well. Yeah. Enlighten him. Oh, the brown sound apparently is his, you know, because many people think and he had the perfect sound for hard rock and rock, you know, and not.

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I know you've been trying to get that sound, the brown sound, and you just, nobody's able to get it. Fair. I did see, I think it was Steve Stevens made a comment about that the other day on socials. He was like, I've played through Eddie's exact rig, and I still sound like the guitar player from Billy Idol. Steve Lukather says the same thing all the time. And he's a fan. And those guys played together on the song Beat It. They were instituted together for that, yeah. So let's talk about Ash and Horde for a moment.

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I know you've been working on something for that. Any thoughts on when that's going to be done? Or is it done? And when that might see the light of day? Wow, I see some, yeah, subtle hints thing. Yeah, so actually, I don't know when this thing is going to air. But in theory, the news will have broken by then. So I did announce the other day, Stevie is no longer part of Ashen Horde. Again, it's like, nothing personal. We're still friends. He's got 12 bands. He's too fucking busy. I mean, in theory, he's touring constantly. It seems like every time

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One Tour ends after a month or whatever. He's like, they announced the next one in Europe or whatever. And it's like, you know, mentioning, hey, I want to try to get a functioning version that can get together. And also like, you know, just with doing records, the, you know, it's great that he's so busy, but when it's like, hey, I don't know if I can get to your album for six to 12 months, it's like, I just don't want to wait around anymore. So you're not a patient man. What's that? You're not a patient man, I've heard. Instant gratification. No.

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And so I was like, you know, I think it's time. So yeah, talk to him. And so that happened. And then a matchmaker on the podcast. I wasn't, I wasn't digging for this. I was looking for more general stuff, but go for it. I mean, I think metal matchmaking is like a very, Luke could be a lucrative industry if you could get into it. So be a new Netflix series. George knows fucking everybody, all the people you talk to. And I was like, here's the parameters. I need someone that can do harsh vocals and cleans because yes, I do cleans.

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But I would like someone that can really bring them home. I can do some harmonies and stuff, but I've never been as confident with my clean vocals. So and it'll make Will happy maybe. So so you send me some recommendations. I did some searching, did some listening, did some hitting up. And Carl Chamberlain, I've already forgotten the band you recommended he was in, of course, which is really bad. Alcyon. Alcyon, yeah. And I put it on and I was like, this is killer. I mean, the record is great anyway. Yeah. The vocals are great. So hit him.

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up, said, hey, you know, here's the dealers, what I'm looking for. He took back one of the new songs and knocked out a quick demo. Exactly what I wanted. Not even, it was beyond what I wanted, especially on the clean side. And so that was that. So Artie put into work. He finished vocals for a re-recording of actually a song from our first album to celebrate the 10th anniversary. Got the whole band to re-record one of the old songs. It's my favorite song off the first record, which incidentally was what got me connected with you all because you reviewed it.

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I think. Yep. That's being mixed right now. So we're going to put that out on the 10th anniversary of the first album, which is March 4th. So I'm officially going to be announcing Carl to the world. I think Monday I'll post that. That'll be nice. Yeah. This won't come out before then. A week later. And then he's already, he's knee deep in the EP and then he's already started working on stuff for the album proper. So things are moving at the clip. I am happy with. I'm so stoked to hear what this is.

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this sounds like because you know both you guys are amazing and it's like putting chocolate in the peanut butter i'm like he's gonna be a really different thing i think you know what's really funny is some of the stuff we bonded over is non-metal it's 90s alice and chain sound garden that stayed no more stuff and some comic book stuff which is funny so that's what we've really clicked so we're pulling some of that in especially with the clean vocals is like let's tap into this kind of 90s thing and i think

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What I've heard thus far, I'm like, yeah, this is really cool and really different, and I'm super excited about it. And then his harsh vocals are just brutal as hell, so. Yeah. But can you pull off short shorts like he does? No, but I can flop a mankini. Okay, that works. He can do the short shorts. You can do the mankini. I mean, I think Carl had no problem doing a mankini, too. Yeah, that's true. I'm sure. Oh, I can't. But yes, kudos for making that happen. I really appreciate it. I'm super excited.

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I'm so happy that worked out so I can't wait to hear it so there you go that's the scoop with Ashenord so yeah I don't know so the record is coming along I don't know when it'll be out but it is in progress guitars and drums are done vocals are coming bass is coming so then it goes into all the fun of waiting for the label and everything else but right on any updates on the eight-year project prog album oh my god the infinite prog record yes so

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That thing

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So the original vocalist

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That we talked a lot about

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Did not work out

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He's still a great guy

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Wish him well

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Comes down again to

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Not just not being able

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To commit the time

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And I finally

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I was very patient with that

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Mostly because I was

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Distracted with other things

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So

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Done

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But

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Do I have a new vocalist

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I guess I can go ahead

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And just say

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The dude

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His name is Mark Sunshine

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He sings

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Sings for a band

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Called Unita

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Replaced John Garcia

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They were

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After John Garcia left

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Caius and Hermano

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He did this Unita thing. Unita's back. Mark sings for them. Also sang for a group called Riot God. Featured a couple of the dudes from Monster Magnet. That's how I first came to know of him. I remember sitting, I was on the beach or something and put this Riot God record on. I was like, who the fuck is this dude? His voice is incredible. And so as I was starting to think about the vocal search there, I was like, I'm just going to go. This guy's been kind of circling in my head for a while. So I hit him up. Super cool. And oh my God, the stuff he's

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sent me back is like, I don't know what I wanted or thought I was going to get. It's like miles above it. Like gives me goosebumps kind of shit. So he's been working on that demos. I think we're going to try to get it done in the next couple months. But, and that's the other thing. And again, not to knock the previous guy that was involved, but he's been sending me demos like weekly. So moving at a pace that I'm very happy with Trevor pace at a Trevor pace. Like let's do this. It's rare that the other,

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members are like going so fast that I'm struggling to keep up. I love it. That's awesome. Cool. Looking forward to that. That will be done this year. When it'll be out, I don't know, but I am so, so stoked on what I'm, what I've heard from it. Nice. So is there anything from last year, any albums that you were really stoked on? You know, from last year? Yeah. Yeah. Well, I don't want to, I don't want to ask you what you're listening to. Cause we'll get to that later, but yeah, but just,

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You know, we're starting a new year here. Was there anything that really blew your mind last year? Oh my God, that's such a great question. I feel like sometimes my everything that happens in about a six month window is kind of one big chunk and blur and I don't know when anything happened. God, I don't know. Off the top of my head, I wish I thought about this ahead of time. I really liked Therapy's record, Hard Coal Fire, and that came out last year. Jeez, what else? I don't know. I know there's a ton of stuff that I absolutely loved.

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And I just can't.

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No worries.

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If you think of it, just shout it out in the middle of whatever we're talking about.

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All right.

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I'll just interrupt.

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Just be like, hey, this one.

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It's going to happen.

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Yeah.

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I'm kind of like looking around the room because I'm surrounded by all the new music.

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Yeah.

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It's a pretty awesome view from here.

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I'll find things and be like, oh, that, oh, that was great.

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Yeah.

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You want to talk about, you know, the tour where people can find you and where you're going to be?

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, socials are the best place.

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That's easiest to keep up.

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We do have Abhoria.com, but Insta, Facebook, those are the best places to find out. I actually need to go load all the info into bands in town. I'd just have been a slacker about that. But yeah, so we posted the final dates, I think like Friday or Thursday. We got the last gig sorted out, so everything's worked out. All the bands are locked in now. So yeah, that's the best place. And if you're in any of those cities, really would love to see you come out. It'd be awesome. It'll be a blast. We've got other, you know, some killer bands from all the different cities joining us, and it'll be a good time of, apparently,

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A Relentless Black Metal. That's all I can promise. Do not slow down. It just goes. It's printing for 40 minutes. It'll exhaust you. And it'll be great. Yeah. Good cardio. Do it now. All right, then. Let's move on to T-shirt and whatever you're drinking check. Trevor, what are you wearing? My up. All right. So this was actually very specifically chosen. So I've got my Voyvod.

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The Wake shirt on. Yes. Very nice. It's chosen specifically because I was not really into Voivod. I was merely aware of them until I came on this show to promote the first Abhoria record and Synchro Anarchy had just come out and I checked it out to be ready for the show. And that was the moment I'm like, what the hell have I been missing? All the way down the well. You can't probably see it, but literally every single thing they've released is in a stack right there. And The Wake is one of my favorites. The first track on the

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They're obsolete beings is amazing. So that's that. You're welcome. I just have a Muse organic enhanced water watermelon flavor. Nice. All right, Markison. Yeah, I'm wearing my glassing t-shirt. Oh, okay. I was trying to read that backwards, but yeah, okay. I guess I could mirror my image. Yeah, it's one of my favorite bands, post-metal bands, but they got a lot of other stuff going on in there, but they just dropped a killer single.

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Not too long ago, a new album coming out this year. I think it was my number one most anticipated when we did that top five. And I'm going to see them this Wednesday. So I'm pretty excited about that. Not aware of them. Where are they from? I'm not sure where they're from, actually. That's a good question. Not sure. Not sure. They're playing with Author and Punisher. I know, George, you like that. Oh, yeah. That dude's cool. That's very unique kind of music. I like it. And so I'm drinking the Sump.

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Coffee Stout, the one the cat knocked over. So I had about half of it. Look at the cat. It's good. I'm drinking it because I got some more on Tavor because they just released some extras, which will be should be coming pretty soon. And this was my last one. Got to get another beer pretty soon. Okay, Matt, the situation. I mean, excuse me. Groovy. I have a this is my two to bowed long sleeve released in conjunction.

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with the Enduring Spirit last year. And I started the night off with a Greenhouse Dunkel from Evil Twin. It's a condition on American oak. And I'm going to follow that up with the Exceptionally Exceptional Bittered, also from Evil Twin. Evil Twin. Good Anthrax song, too. Very true. All right, John. All right. Got my hidden history from Blood Incantation.

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You won't know what the band name is because it's just a bunch of sticks thrown together. Let's see. My first beer, George, you'll appreciate this. I had some Nepenthe Brewing Company. Nice. It's my first time having them, but the second time I've had this beer. Cryomancer, West Coast style IPA, which is pretty good. I like that. And then thanks to TR. Oh, and the artwork, by the way, on these are pretty cool. Oh, they're amazing. That's what drew me to them. I was expecting like the Sentenced cover. Yes.

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But they do

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They make some good beer

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But they make some weird beers too

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They're like milkshakes

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Sour IPAs and stuff

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That's just stupid

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Yeah

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But they do make some good IPAs

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So

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Yes

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And I have a second beer lined up now

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Thanks to TR

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Features a naked man

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The naked man of all time

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Oh

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The Rush Golden Ale

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What?

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Look at that

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TR where's mine

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Where's mine TR

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I know I'm not John

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But come on

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I want those Rush beers

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They look delicious. Yeah. I mean, I feel like I need to drink this and watch one of the videos they do. I don't know if you guys have ever seen the videos with Alex and Getty when they're in the brewery. They're absolutely hilarious. I mean, Getty's playing the straight man and Alex is, he's never a straight man ever. He's always off doing something goofy or saying something really wild and they're really funny short videos, but I'm going to give it a try. So thank you very much, TR. If you're not familiar who TR is, he's the Metalheads Butler.

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And he also is part of the stairway to 11 podcast. Yes. Oh, he's also the spokesperson for the lyrics police. Boy, you aren't going to let him live that down. Are you? No, I'm not. Oh yeah. And we'll be seeing him at decibel soon. Coming up fast. Yeah. Okay. So I'm wearing my earth shirt because I'm all excited about the new earth album coming out in April. I believe it is.

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We'll have to get Mark back on for that one. And I'm jealous that, you know, he's over there in the UK and he first they did like an art mead. And now there's a rum, I believe it is, spiced rum. And I'm like, damn it, man, ship that over here. But oh, well, anyway. And my first beer was from Pharmacy Brewing with an F as in farm.

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And it's called Absolutely Everything All at Once, which is obviously a play on Everything Everywhere All at Once. Great movie if you haven't seen it. It's really good. And then my unplanned second beer, because I was going to go with something else, is partly, it's Solace Brewing. It's probably in Frederick. No, it's not. It's in Virginia. Oh, it is. It's Sterling. Okay. It's about half hour from here, though. Partly Cloudy IPA. Yeah, I've had that a ton of times. Actually, it says Sterling, but the

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The brewery's located in Dulles. It's all the way around Dulles on the backside. So you're actually closer to 50 than you are to actually Sterling. I've been to the brewery a number of times out there. They have good beers. Yeah, and I can get this one around the corner. So this is my, I crap amount of beer and I don't want to drink Budweiser, go around the corner and pick up some solace. They're getting a decent footprint all over the area now. Yeah.

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There's another one that I was going to go with. It's called Raven's Claw, which sounds very Harry Potterish. And it was a West Coast double IPA from some crab something brewing. Crooked Crab? Crooked Crab, yeah, that one. No, they are from Maryland, yes. Yeah. The whole crab thing kind of gave it away. Yeah, a little bit. Oh, and I looked up glassing, Trevor. They're from Austin, Texas. Awesome. All right, then. Let's move on to the news.

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First news item, you can't keep a good Slayer down. Slayer announces two headlining shows in September, one at Riot Fest in Chicago, which I'm sure Markisan will be going to, and Louder Than Life in Louisville, Kentucky. Is anybody else kind of shocked by this?

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is Carrie King released his first track idle hands from his solo Carrie King album featuring Mark from Death Angel. And I was like, what? That coming kind of hard on the heels of that. That's a little strange. And I don't know if anybody else saw this, but I saw what was, it looked like a meme. And I tried to verify that it was only a meme and not actual news. That is a meme of Carrie King going, these guys didn't tell me anything about this.

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And, you know, my lawyers are going to be talking to them. And I'm like, he had to know this was coming. So, I mean, he, he literally just did the interview with revolver saying, I haven't talked to Tom in years. Yeah. It is. Everything he said was like, I wrote in our chat, like, I totally understand that those guys weren't best friends, but it does feel a little bit weird that what feels like a week later now we're announcing a reunion tour. So, yeah. I wasn't that surprised that they were going to do it.

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until that interview.

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Because I actually have one of the quotes here.

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And he said,

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Carrie King said,

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me and Tom have never been on the same page.

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Like if I want a chocolate shake,

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he wants a vanilla shake.

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Carrie,

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what color is the sky blue?

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Tom,

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what color is the sky white?

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We're just different people.

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The further on in years we got,

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it just became more.

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And now there's a show.

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And now there's a show.

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So that did surprise me because I thought for sure they would get back

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together in a few years and play one offs.

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Well, then I read that. There's more to the story. Did you see that Tom's wife commented on this? Where she says, I've been bugging him for a year to get back out there to play shows. It's hard to him being home all the time. Yeah, she apparently was responding to all the trolling he's been receiving, which is so stupid. Yeah, it's funny. At first I was surprised, but then now the conspiracy theorist in me is like, was that why he said all that shit? I mean, he kind of made comments about Tom not playing bass on the records and stuff.

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too, right? Yeah. I mean, it built press, and then suddenly they're doing a show. It's like, that could have been well-crafted. Yeah, he said he'd done all the rhythm of guitars and bass on Slayer albums since the 90s. Yeah. So it sounded like shit-stirring, but it could have all been very well-planned. Interesting. I don't know what that gets them, though. It's kind of weird that they would do that. They're just fucking with us. It pumps his solo album up more because Slayer getting back together doesn't need any PR. Right.

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You know, but you would think given his album coming out that he'd be on tour with his band at that time. Yeah. Well, which he does. He has dates this like I'll see him this summer and I'll talk about that later, but it is weird. Honestly. And I mean, it doesn't over to shadow the fact that I think we're all like, well, I was happily surprised with the new Carrie King track. I thought we were going to hear like the stain of mine era Slayer for some reason. And that is not the vibe I got from it. Are you dissing on Diabolos?

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I am not.

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He did.

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Maybe a little.

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Dude, I love that album.

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Just own up to it.

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You don't like it.

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All right.

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Move on.

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It's not that I don't like it.

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It's that it's different.

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That's even worse than saying you don't like it.

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Slayer can't be different.

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Slayer has to be the same.

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I'll get into that later.

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I don't know when, but I'll get into it later.

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And here's the thing.

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We're talking about it.

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You know, we have a lot.

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We have a lot of questions.

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And maybe that is the point.

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Maybe it's like, hey, we're going to stir up.

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new information. We're going to get you interested in Slayer. We want you to ask a lot of questions about it. Who's going to play bass on the shows? Who played for Sid Vicious back in the day? He had a lot of behind the scenes. I find it interesting. He's using the same exact story that Eddie Van Halen used about Michael Anthony. I played all the bass on the, I had to show him how to play bass on all the albums. And Nikki Six. That's legit. He's never been able to play his bass. That goes all the way back.

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to the early 80s. I think we can all agree that we're happy that Carrie's singer is not Phil Anselmo. You know, Mark is amazing. And what we've heard so far, I thought was killer. So looking forward to that. I wish they had a real bad name instead of just. Carrie King experience or something. Just call it Carrie. Carrie. Carrie King's Slayer. Well, and I read an interview on that too. And he's like, he's Carrie King.

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He said, you know, I wanted to have a just a different band name because I don't have a big ego where I have to, it has to be my name. But then they did the logo for it and he just really liked the logo. He just decided that, okay, I guess this is the band name. Yeah, that feels like a weird reason. I mean, he has a clothing line and it's basically the same logo. It's like, just be happy with your logo over there and think of like an actual name. He saw those big chains. I mean, the obvious would have been Kingslayer, but I'm sure there's a band called that. Probably.

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He could afford to buy them out. Come on. Actually, KK Slayer. I was going to say KK Slayer could go on with tour with KK's priest. Yeah. And then KK would come back and do something. KK down, I would say he stole the name from him and everything. And then we'd have a whole new slew of blabbermouth articles. And they're all fighting on their way to the bank. Yeah. But like when I walked past that dude, he had like six security guys around him. So clearly he's obviously has money.

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Just buy a name that doesn't suck. Do like chat GBT. Yes, I could have been rated. That's true. That would be useful. Six security dudes around him? It wasn't six, but he was completely surrounded by people as he was walking. I've been a talent CEO, big cities walking before a show, you get there early, meet with friends, you get to go record shopping, go to a bar. Just see musicians walking around there playing that night. Nobody even knows it's them. I'm like, I would know them in a million years.

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That's so funny. They're bigger bands. They're not small bands, obviously. Yeah. But this was, you know, Merciful Fate was about to play. Him and Sligo were schmoozing and walking to the actual spot. Nice. Sorry, I'm trying to get into chat GPT because I want to ask it what band name Kerry King should use. The thing is, he has a great last name. You could put anything in front of him. Yeah. Blood King. I mean, anything. Burger.

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That might get him in some trouble. KK's Burger King. At the BK Lounge. Can you use Dawn? Is that okay? Yeah. Or how about just The King? I don't know. It's fine. It doesn't matter in the long run, but it's a new band, and they got some really good players in there, and I think it's kind of nice to have an actual band name. All right. So I asked ChatGPT, what should Kerry King name his new band?

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It said Sonic Rain. Oh. With R-E-I-G-N. Maybe, yeah. Sonic Rain? I would have never said that. Actually, I think that exists. I'm sure it does. What if you spell that R-E-I-G-N, though? Yeah, no, I'm pretty sure that's a band. It feels like an early 2000s radio-friendly band. Yes, very much. Archive Sonic Rain. Yes. They were a German band.

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They put out two albums in the two or two twos and aughts. So yeah. See, don't question the podfather. The podfather? No, all the metal. All right. What is another band name for Carrie King's solo band? That's Sonic Slayer. It's thinking. Keep it going. Just keep. Razor Serpent.

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All right. All right. That's dumb. And that's why we're not quite there yet with AI. All right. Next news item. Jethro Tull's Ian Anderson will be a guest on the next Opeth album. How amazingly appropriate is that? Yeah. I'm going to tell you what the arc is going to sound like, which is good or bad, depending on where you sit on the Opeth side now. Well, it'll be nice to hear some flute on an Opeth album.

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Well, we know what the cover will not be. Did you see that? You saw that too? Yeah. I was like, this is covers kind of cool. Actually, I thought the same thing. People were knocking. I'm like, no, that's kind of different. It's kind of different. So what was it? You have to. So it's a spacey, weird, almost dolly S thing. I don't even know. Yeah. And it was a split, almost like a split image a little bit. Yeah. So the dolly thing, that's a great way to describe it. I saw it. I was like, I know this is not the cover because Mike is always,

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really good about them announcing that stuff first. Although I have to admit, maybe it is now they're pulling it back and they're going to do something. Yeah, they're going to like, nope, that's not it. Oh my God, Scranton to get someone else. Get the AI to give us some new stuff. Exactly. I don't know. We'll see how it goes. I mean, I think he's on like, what, three or four songs, he said? Oh, I didn't see that. That's cool. I thought he said that. Maybe I didn't read it. Talking about Jethro Tull now? Yeah, Ian Anderson. Yeah, he said three or four tracks. So that's a substantial contribution. Yeah, that is.

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Well, you know, there's plenty of room for him to move around on a non-metal album like that. So that's why I'm hoping that it's actually similar to something like Cross-Eyed Mary, which is heavier. Yeah. And I just want to hear them like have a heavy song. And then when it gets ready to break into the guitar solo, you break into a flute solo like they do in Cross-Eyed Mary, which to me is I always thought was one of the most metal things ever. Yeah. Even though it was like 1971 when that came out. Halloween did a flute solo on Seven Sinners. Raise the Noise has a flute solo.

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So it's very strange. Yeah. Why not? I mean, everyone's doing all kinds of wind instruments. There's like brash violin noise on a lot of albums. Do you have any of that on your prog album, Trevor? No, that is one thing. From a prog standpoint, it's just kind of, you know, meat and potatoes guitars, but the prog is more in terms of the guitar playing than the instrumentation. What flavor of prog is it? Is it like a keyboards? No keys.

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Early 90s Prague. I don't know. I mean, I describe it as that because there's a lot of, you know, meter changes and some really bizarre chord phrasing and stuff. I don't know. It's somewhere in kind of the Devin Townsend realm, but I hate to say that because it sounds really like I know it's not that good. And it's not that big of a wall. Yeah. And it doesn't have Annika. And it doesn't have Annika. Yeah. Well, it's definitely not Devin. Yet.

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You haven't asked, have you? It's got some amorphous. There is some enslaved and Eason related things, but purely very melodic. And with Mark's vocals, it pulls in some kind of like, I don't know, very different things. So anyway. Right on. Excited to hear that. Yeah. Me too. All right. Our next item, High on Fire, announces their new album, Cometh the Storm, releasing April 19th, and they shared the single Burning Down. Anybody? I liked it. I guess my comment.

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is the whole time I thought it sounded like a monster magnet song and I kept waiting for Dave Windorf's vocals to come in that was my biggest takeaway it was a cool song the video was creepy as shit but yes but yeah it was cool I liked the solo I thought it kind of went on and on and was nice and melodic and not too showy but I don't know I don't know if I'll go back yeah I liked it had a good thunderous groove to it I thought Pike's vocals were pretty had a lot of venom in them I like that yeah it was good I mean I love high and fire

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I was thinking about how many times High on Fire has made my top 25. So I actually went back through all my lists and every single album from High on Fire has made the cut. All eight LPs since The Art of Self-Defense 2000. That has to be like one of the longest streaks ever for me. I'll probably eat my words, but I wasn't really all that thrilled with it. I mean, I've really liked the last few albums. Maybe it just caught me at the wrong

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time, but it just didn't feel as heavy and involved as like the last couple albums. But you got to hear it in the context of the album sometimes too. We've had that happen where the single comes out and you're like, I don't know. And then you hear the album and it fits perfectly. Yeah. There's a new release that we're going to be talking about that this happened where the first time I listened to it, I was like, and then the second time I was like, Hmm. So, you know, we'll see. I don't disagree. I mean, as a first impression, I wasn't like, this is my favorite album.

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I agree.

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It's solid. It was well mixed. I thought it was a good production on it. Vocals were good, but it didn't blow me away. Yeah. I mean, I'm a huge fan of the first two Deicide albums. After that, kind of hit or miss for me. However, given all the pomp and circumstance around them doing this album, I thought maybe it might be better. Again, it's just one song. We'll see. Yeah. All right. Let's move on to new releases then.

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First up, we have the new Borknagar, or Borknagar album. It's called Fall. It's their 12th album. This was one that I wasn't anticipating really being all that excited about, just because I'm kind of a like olden domain. Is that right? Yeah, that sounds right. But now that I said it out loud,

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It sounds wrong. Yeah, I'm confusing it with like the archaic course or whatever it was. Yeah, but I think it's Olden Domain. The Olden Domain. I can see it from here. Yeah, that's like, you know, Borknagar for me. However, you know, like all the cleans and stuff that they've been putting in there, I'm kind of in the Will Camp there, but I did listen to this. They've only been doing it for like almost 20 years. Yeah, and I'm clean vocals. And I've been listening to metal for like five decades, so. No, I'm saying the band has always had cleans.

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That's so funny. They've never not had them. I know, but... It's been around like 30 years? Oh, yeah. Easy. Early 90s. Yeah, it's just, it's not as, it's more melodic than it is black metal. But that said, when I listened to it, I was like, yeah, it's kind of cool. I like it. It was not as wimpy as I was expecting. But there's stuff isn't wimpy though. No, it's just, I don't know, too many cleans. It's not wimpy, it's lush.

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You know, it has lots of heavy parts in it, but it's very lush. It's very melodic on every song. So that's what dominates the album as a whole, but it still has heavy parts to it. Yeah, and that's what I'm saying. It's better than I thought it was going to be because it was heavier and there were more harsh vocals. And I was like, I'm not like, well, I joke. I mean, clean vocals in any music doesn't bother me. But when it's super melodicized, you know, if you're like doing

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Rhapsody-flavored black metal, then it's not really going to be my jam. Yeah, I don't get the Rhapsody thing because they're not doing those gang vocal choruses. So, I mean, to each their own. I mean, we all hear things different. I guess I'm just not hearing that. And I'm not hearing it either, but that was what I was expecting. Wow, that's quite an irrational expectation. Just go ahead and call me a dumbass. No.

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You know, there's a joke behind me saying that, that my educational background, that was something that came up all the time, rational expectations and irrational expectations. So yeah, I'm just having poking fun of myself. Okay. Well, I fucking loved it. I did too. I thought the opening track Summits was... I have settled in. At first, I was actually more Team Vinnerzorg then, but I've come along. I actually prefer, I think, this one now. I mean, Empiricism will always be my favorite, I think. But yeah, I heard that song. I was like,

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This is it. I'm ready. Bring it out. I love it. Which song? The new single. What was the second single they released? Okay, because I thought the fault wasn't. The first one was Northern Anthem. And I was like, that's okay. That one was okay. I'm with John, though. That Summit song is awesome. It's like one of their best songs, I think. Yeah, it's probably the heaviest thing they've done in a long time. It's a great way to start the record for sure. Yeah, George, I'm not going after you.

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just trying to figure out where you're going after me and i'm gonna i'm putting up my dukes because there's like tons of harsh vocals on the album there are i don't know it's entirely possible i was confusing it with the same other band called arcturus no pretty much eliminated harsh vocals right have they done that i haven't listened to last well i'm still mad at them so to me it's the same band they both started off with christoph on vocals and then what's his name came in and took over and they went from being was it ics4

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was ich bin

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I liked the Vinter's Sword before he joined Borknagar. And I'm not saying that like, oh, I liked him before. I'm just saying that's the stuff I liked was before he joined the band. I actually prefer the later stuff, like the Focusing Blur. Now, is he singing English or is his stuff in Norwegian on those albums? The early ones were not in English. What's that? The early ones were not in English. That's what I thought. I thought that he did them all in Norwegian. He put that in later. Like, I think with Cosmic Genesis, maybe it was the first record. I think so, yeah. That's right. Okay, that's what I thought.

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Hey, Jay. I like it too, so we'll see where it stands. I'm a big fan of the last ones. You must have sensed that the next new release was Chapel of Disease, and you decided to show up. Wait, before we go, let's, George, not to interrupt, can we ask Jay about the Ian Anderson-Opeth collaboration, if what he thinks about it, because he's a tall fan. Jay, go. Yeah, awesome. I mean, most likely, this is obvious, I'm sure he's just placed flute on them. In fact, maybe he even said that in the interview.

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But first of all, he's on several of the tracks, as I recall. And I'm a huge Ian Anderson fan, and I totally get that connection. Like, that makes total sense to me. It does. That he wanted him to play on his record, that he would sound right on one of their records. So, it's awesome. It's great. Can't wait. George, I'm now hoping that it's one of those interludes from Aqualung with just Mike and Ian on acoustic guitar singing, so you could just say, I don't like these interludes.

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We had a big discussion about that when we talked about Aqualung on the other podcast. It was really funny. But that would be great. It's like, just a minute, just in between, no purpose of this song whatsoever. It's not a filler. It's an interlude. It's an interlude. To that end, if you ever want to know what's great about Jethro Tull, and there's a lot that's great about Jethro Tull, but if you just, as performers, if you've ever seen Nothing is Easy, the Live at the Isle of Wight or Renning, one of those, a camera, but it's so good, dude.

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And he is so crazy in it. It's just the best. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah. I think he's perfect match made in heaven. Far as I'm concerned. Right on. Do you have any thoughts on the Slayer new shows or Carrie King new album? Totally shocked that Slayer is doing shows, but I'm still one of those people that's like, they're not going to do a tour or anything. So it's not like to me, fine. They can do, they're doing a one-off. I bet you they get a big payday for it or two off or whatever it is. And that's probably why they're

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They were like, wait, Ozzy can do this? Well, we can do that. You know, it's interesting. I think, especially with Tom and like keeping your voice in shape, that's like has to be this ongoing thing. So it'll be interesting to see what kind of shape he's in when he comes. I know Carrie is still playing, obviously. Also kind of thrilled with the makeup of Carrie's band in general. So that's kind of cool. Honestly, well, are you going to go? Markisan one of those in Chicago, isn't it?

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Yeah, I'm definitely going to go. I'm waiting for them to release the single day tickets, though, because right now you can only get like festival tickets for all the days. They usually do that later. So as soon as they do that, I'll get a ticket for sure. I always get a VIP ticket when I go. I don't always go to Riot Fest because they don't always have metal. And I mean, I like other things besides metal, but usually I don't like most of the bands at Riot Fest. So I'm kind of curious, too, who else they'll put on the bill, because usually if they have somebody like Slayer, they're going to add some more metal as well.

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More mental stuff, yeah. The other thing I'll say is, like I say, I don't think it's a cheat or anything. It doesn't bother me. And also, hey, any summer where there's some Slayer shows is a good fucking summer. So I think it's fucking cool, you know. It's Slayer. Like, any time you get a chance to see them, especially now when they've already retired, like, you gotta be happy about that, I think. Also, to that end, I don't think we talked about it on the cast yet. We only talked about it privately. But how fucking good of a choice was Marcos Agueta to do the Kerry King thing? That was amazing. He kind of sounds like Tom.

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But it's not like a ripoff of Tom. And yet he's a guy who can sound like that anyway. He's from the original old school trash scene. And even Carrie, I read this interview with Carrie where it's like, you know, it couldn't be Phil because then it would just be, we'd go do Phil, what's his fuck? Because then we'd go do a tour and we'd have to play Pantera's songs. And I didn't know he was that smart. Like that's exactly what I did not want. You know what I mean? That is not the kind of thing I was looking for. I want something like this. So super psyched about Carrie's record. Yeah. Mark sounds amazing as always.

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Oh, yeah, he does. He sounds really good. I met him a couple of times because he's, well, when I lived in San Francisco, he used to go to shows and stuff. And I think I'm friends with his wife on Facebook. Did he go on to have some sort of successful career as a software guy or something? I don't know about that. Okay. I met him once too. It was after Death Angel first came back. They played Jax in Virginia. And I got to talk to him after the show. And I was like, dude, where you been for the last 15 years?

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And he, you know, this was like, you know, I mean, when they stopped doing stuff, there was not much internet yet. And so he explained to me about the bus accident and how, you know, people got hurt and it just kind of derailed the band. And so it was cool. He was very cool to me. So that was nice. Was your discussion that you all had pretty positive thoughts about the Slayer thing? I assume probably. Yeah, I think so. Mostly. We just, we talked about that. The timing was kind of weird. Like Carrie's new band is here.

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But it wasn't just the single. It was the interviews that Cary did talking about. I haven't talked to Tom since. Yeah. And not that it was a huge shock, but I really didn't expect there to be a tour announcement, what felt like a week later. And again, love it all. I'm happy to watch any and all of it. That's great. That is so crazy. If I remember right, Cary King got attached to some kind of cool. Oh, no, he's going to be part of that Leviathan. Leviathan. Oh, my God. I don't know what that is.

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Yeah, it's Mastodon and Lamb of God are doing a tour, and Mastodon is playing all of Leviathan, and Lamb of God is playing all of Ashes of the Wake. Yeah. And he's going to be touring with them? Yeah, and he'll be opening with them. Yeah, he's one of the two opening bands. So it's the 20-year anniversary for both of those albums. I believe they came out on the same day, and so they're touring together. Yes, I am going, and yeah, Carrie is one. I can't think of who the other opener is, but it doesn't matter. It's somebody kind of no-name-ish, I think, actually.

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But the cool thing about Cary getting to do it is that his first outings are going to be basically arena shows because those are going to be big shows. Those will be in big places. So good for him. Cool. All right, back to new releases. Also, by the way, hi, Trevor. Nice to see you. Nice to see you. Our next new release is Chapel of Disease, Echoes of Light, their fourth album, a German prog death band. I, you know,

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Last episode, I believe it was, Jay mentioned this as one of your anticipated albums. And like a fool, I scoffed. I was like, yeah, whatever, Jay. I know you like that band, but they suck. And then I heard a track and I was like, wait a minute, this is not sucky. This is awesome. And then I remembered that the last album was cool and I did the same thing last time. And I was like, oh yeah, I bought that album. So apologies, Jay.

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It is a very good album. It was super old school death and then they've mixed it up every time since then and it's pretty cool. Yeah, it's just like if Tribulation was better. I think that's a reasonable sentence, George. It's kind of got a hard rock vibe to it too. The melodic death and hard rock and there's these jam bandy instrumental parts to it. There's no end of solos on that album. It's like proggy hard rock Tribulation.

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I think I sent that to you, George, didn't I? I think that's the message I sent you. I was like, am I missing something here? This is what we're getting. They're on the same label as Sulphur Ian. I don't remember the name of the label. Fan? Fan Records? Is it? Okay. Oh, I don't know. I'm asking, is that Fan? Oh, I'll look it up. I don't know. I think it might be. I'm pretty sure that's what Sulphur Ian's on. That's what I thought. At least the last album was. They're not tied at the hip, but I think they do a lot of shows together and stuff. They must be from the same town in Germany, I'm guessing. I don't know. I'm not a huge fan of the

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the vocals on this. Really? Because it's like growl vocals, but they're super light. It's like... Death metal light. I don't like that. It's like you're not trying hard enough. What I didn't like... If you're going to growl, you've got to give your all. What I didn't like, and I'm sure this would appeal to Will, is when he went clean and it was like really weak. It sounded like Morrissey Jr. or something. Well, he was just kind of talking and whatever. It's probably him like branching out going, well, let me just try this. And so, I mean,

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Yeah, I'm okay with that. It wasn't terrible. It just wasn't great. But I just think the vocal performance is a little bit weak overall. The music's cool. It's a little meandering because, like John's saying, there's like solos everywhere. I kind of wish it was a little bit more condensed. Their best one is still their first one. I'm going to look up the name of it. And that one's just a straightforward death metal record, old school death metal record. I'll find it. But anyway, I believe it's about the Mask of the Red Death type thing. What the fuck was that called? Anyway, so really, maybe,

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I love that they're being froggy and branching out, but the truth is they've never sounded as comfortable as they did on that first record. It was probably where they just stayed. They remind me of Sweevin. You remember that band? Yeah, they're cool. They have that vibe where Morris Kahn was the death metal band. The main guy formed his own band. It kind of reminds me of them where you've got the harsh vocals over kind of proggy parts and some clean vocals and some heavy parts.

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Oh, so here's the one that I, and it's not their first record, but it was two records ago, but it's called the mysterious ways of repetitive art. It was really good. Like really good. Meanwhile, both ranked it real high that year. Yeah. And you know, it was not going to get too proggy. So I'm not going to get proggy at all. Yeah. All right. Let's just breeze past this next one. Cause I'm sure nobody has anything good to say about it. That would be the new Eson self-titled album is ninth album. Yeah. Who cares? Fucking Amber or whatever.

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guy. He's back again. Oh, he's got it already. With his turtleneck. Oh, wait. I love it. Instrumental or the orchestra version. Yes, I got both versions too. I just popped in the orchestral one this morning. I haven't listened to the orchestral one yet. Yeah. I don't think that'll get a lot of plays for me because there's just not many times that's going to be the right soundtrack, but I had that. Trevor, it's called Being a Fan. That's right. Exactly. Gotta have it. Gotta have it. But yeah, this, I loved it. This blew me away.

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I was like, wow. It's like the metal version of the album has both metal and orchestral stuff. And it's not like anthems where it's all blended together in the blender. It kind of has layers. Like the metal is here and like below it is the orchestral stuff. And there's a very defined separation between them where you can hear both. And it kind of blew my mind that he was able to do that. I mean, it's so well crafted and yeah, the mixing and the way they just, he put it together is stuff.

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Yeah. So no spoilers here. Album of month for me. Yeah, for sure. Maybe two. I'll tell you right now, probably three. You know, I love it. I expect the big things out of it. I like the advanced stuff that we got to hear out of it and stuff. I think it's great. He can go wherever he wants as far as I'm concerned. I want to always follow him there, but this, I probably like this the most since Arctis, which I thought was really fucking strong too. Yeah. Yeah. That was good. I love everything.

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He's done, but I agree Arctis is the best. See, I'm still in, I still like After the most. I mean, that series, I feel like After, and I mean, honestly, I can't think of anything I don't like. And he goes, he does, he goes, every album, he goes somewhere different. Minus the first two are probably fairly similar. Once he got to After, every album is not completely different. He just goes in a different direction. I like that the symphonic part of it, there's moments where it's,

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The symphony stuff that he's doing is heavier than the actual metal he's doing, which makes it sound even heavier on the metal side. But you have to put the headphones on to hear that. And I have to read through the notes to see who played. Does anyone know? Did he actually work? I think he did everything. I think he's just got it. Oh, I had it sitting next to me. But did he work with any members of a symphony at all? Or is it all stuff he programmed? I think he just has drummer. Okay.

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Yeah, all vocals and instruments by Eson, except violin, drums, and some additional progression. That's it. Wow. Okay. And how, so seriously, how insanely talented he is, man. It's kind of one of these things that blows my mind. Like, I wouldn't even know where to begin doing something like that. I'm not saying I write, like, genius music by any stretch, but, like, I wouldn't even know where to begin doing something that epic and layered. It's just, like, nope. Nope. Yeah, no, I get it.

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Totally. I totally get that. And his harsh vocals sound harsher than ever. And his cleans get better every album. His vocals get better every album. Yeah. Marcus, did you have something negative to say? No, I mean, I definitely admire it. It's not my kind of music. It just, it feels more like a soundtrack for a musical. You know, it's operatic orchestral insanity, really. Yeah. And I admire it. Like, holy shit, the mind.

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the way his mind works. I love that, but I can't. I listen the whole thing through, and I appreciate it, but it's not something I'm ever going to go back to. It's just not my kind of thing. That's cool. I feel like this is the heaviest thing he's done since probably after. I thought the same thing, actually, yeah. That's interesting that you got that, Marissa, but I know you haven't always been a fan. Are you an Emperor fan? I do. Well, I do like some Emperor, yeah. Okay. Yep, definitely. Yeah, I don't know. It's just, I don't like,

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It's too grand for me

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You're right on this album

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It is

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It's a big grand sound

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I agree

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It's too much of an effort

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Like a chore almost

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To listen to it

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I can appreciate it

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And like wow

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I can't believe you

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You're able to put this together

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Because I'm just fascinated

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By his mind

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But

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Markasson

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Did you take out the garbage

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And listen to the Eson

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I don't enjoy it

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As much as I want to

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You know

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I love it

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I love it

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But I'm going to help you

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out a little bit and just say that I would and I get why people don't like it because you pick the perfect word but I'm gonna add a few letters to it it's grandiose you know like I mean it's a little artsy-fartsy schmancy pants you know and and I love it but I think that's I think even if he didn't have actual orchestra instruments and that's who he'd be anyway like there'd still be this big sweeping thing that yeah that's interesting that you chose that word that's all that's funny because I like

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I like live emperor infinitely more than album emperor because every time I've and I've never seen them live but I've listened to their live stuff and every time I've watched them I'm like this band is so much more powerful live without the orchestration stuff in the background and I get it I still love all those albums too but man it's funny and then on his solo stuff I'm like yeah give me more of that maybe it's because it sounds better his production I George you're the production guy I think the

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sounds great on every one of his, almost all his albums. I know what he does. That's another thing I just really admire. I've never heard anything like that. Yeah. You know, that's, he's singular. Yeah. And I just, as far as enjoying it for myself, like I just rather listen to other things, I guess. Fair enough. Not your cup of tea. All right. Well then let's move on to job for a cowboy and their long awaited fifth album, moon healer.

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So I'm not gonna lie. First time I tried to listen to this, I was like, meh, and turned it off after like two songs. Oh, seriously? I haven't heard it yet. But then I listened to it again yesterday because I figured I gotta get through this thing. And I actually enjoyed it that time. You know, I mean, it's not really, like I told John earlier, it's not really where my head is at right now, but it is, it's an okay album. You know, it's better than my initial thoughts. This was the one I mentioned earlier where, you know, I listened to it and I was like, eh. Then I came back and I was like, ah.

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So it's all right.

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I think it's awesome.

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How long was it since their last record?

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Because that was a long time ago, right?

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It was.

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Yeah, 10 years.

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Long time.

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Yeah, no, I think it's awesome.

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I mean, I think it's pretty stunning.

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Progressive, technical death metal.

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The bass and the drumming on that is just pretty otherworldly.

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And it's just, to me, it's amazing.

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It's a band that I didn't care about.

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It was doing metalcore.

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And they moved to this really kind of stellar, progressive death.

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Did you like their previous album too? Because I thought their previous album supposedly was when they first started doing this style. Yeah, it was good. It was really good. I'd actually been listening to it because I've been listening to this. I was like, I got to go back because I liked it. But I think part of what colored my perception of it was the fact that they had moved from metal core to this and I wasn't really a big fan of the band. And now I like Sunheater a lot more. And this is kind of a continuation of that. But this is Trevor, you'll appreciate this. This is relentless.

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So the previous album, Sun Eater, had a lot more breathing space in the songs. This one does not have that. And I kind of dig that for this particular record. But yeah, I mean, you can really hear that bass pop in there. Like the songs are really memorable. Just great riffs. Like I'm just, I'm in awe of a band that started from something that I didn't like and now has become a band that I really appreciate. So yeah, this one has gotten a lot of play.

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for me since we got the promo actually a while ago so yeah love it so last album was son ever listen to them for the reason like the metalcore thing i just didn't care listen to sun eater and this one yeah this yeah i was like wow really pleasantly surprised and it's funny though there is a connection here all the bass on depths was recorded at nixon studio the bass player he and igor did all the bass parts at his studio he was oh wow forgot so and igor did all the bass on our record fretless which

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was kind of a weird thing to do for a black metal record, but they worked really hard on that. So we do have a connection to Job for a Cowboy. That's cool. I mean, the way the bass sounds, it's great. Like you can hear all the individual parts, which I really like, cause you don't get that in a lot of albums, especially like a technical death metal album. I think that's the key too. I don't know how much he had a hand in the final production of this one, but I think it's interesting to have the bass player be involved in it. Cause yeah, they just take, they tackle it differently. It doesn't just get buried in the background. Yeah.

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is just amazing on that record. So yeah, I'm really high on this one. I don't know what my album of the month is going to be, but this one's definitely in the running. So the last album was Sun Eater. This one is Moon Healer. This next one can be like Star Friend. I mean, what else? What other celestial body can we name our album? Star Gazer. Star Gazer, yeah.

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Star-toucher. Yeah. Star-molester. Oh, no, George. Too far, buddy. Too far. Okay. Next is the new Mortis-Skulled album, Creation Undone. Seventh album from this Milwaukee death metal band and a friend of mine, Dave Greger. I freaking love this album. To me, this is kind of like Sepultura on steroids. I got definitely that Sepultura vibe, yeah.

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And I was just like, oh yeah, this is like death metal. Not like, you know, this is old school, new death metal to me. You know, I mean, like you listen to Job for a Cowboy and I'm like, yes, this is cool and all, but it's just a little, maybe over the top, a little grand Eos, but Morta Scald is like, just kick you in the face. Oh yeah. It's muscular meat and potatoes. Death metal. It is really well. Brushing heavy riffs.

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and making no apologies for it. Yes. I freaking love this. So yeah, it's good. It is good. And there's times I want this type of death metal. I don't want, I mean, I love blood incantation, but sometimes I like when my band is actually not in a cave. They're actually playing in a studio, you know, and that's what Mortar Skull gives you. And I like that, you know? Yeah. It's cool. It's, it'll be fun to talk to him again. He was a really good guest. The first time we had him on.

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He was fun when George and Will and I met him at Atlas. He was a lot of fun to hang out with. I'm curious too because the album cover looks like it could be AI art. I doubt that knowing him. It really looks like it though. Have you looked at it? I don't know. It might not be. We could have that conversation offline first. Yeah. Spilling the beans here a little bit but Dave is planned.

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as the guest for next episode. So hopefully that will work out. Let's see. I don't think that looks a... No, it doesn't. Let's see. Let's look at the lineup. But Marcus, you really bring up a good point because at what point do we start questioning everything? Normally that one in particular, though, doesn't look like it to me. But more and more covers are looking like that. And I'm wondering, you know, is it... What's the expression?

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Is it real or is it Memorex? Yeah.

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For those of you who are old enough.

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As someone that has played with AI art quite a bit, I can see why you would say that.

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There is somebody credited though, a guy named Paul G, but he could be G-I-A-I-D.

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I mean, and he could be an artist who enhances his stuff with AI too, you know?

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I don't know.

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Yeah.

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Well, I mean, there's definite like, you call it like a grunge effect where you...

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Yeah, some after effect stuff.

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I think that's fair.

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It's cool artwork.

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I do like the artwork.

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I just like...

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I feel like you have to like smudge your art after you get it. It's like, well, I got to make this more nineties. So let's just grime it up a little. This is why I hate AI now too, because I'm like, I'm looking at it. I was like, wait, is that real art or is that questioning it? Yeah. I don't like that. I don't want to do that. Question everything as they say. All right, let's move on to the next album. I am pleased to announce sleepy time, gorilla museum and their fourth album of the last human being. And John and I,

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talking about this and he's like i don't know you're gonna like this and i was like dude i love this album this how messed up is me how messed up is my mental health that this album soothes me i love it already got mine i've been a fan since day one yeah it's been around a long time oh so good it's so weird long stretch between releases too wasn't it i feel like 17 years

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They were out in your hood, Jay. Oakland. I ran into a few of them a few times. Cause now he's around all the time. Wasn't he? Yeah. Well, I saw them a couple of times, but more to the point I used to run into them at shows and we were kind of friendly. Actually. He used to turn me on to bands. I didn't know about and stuff. And like, believe it or not, he turned me on to Mastodon. Only remission was out. And he was like, dude, trust me.

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I got this and it was that I was at opeth show and it was like one of the first shows in the United States of them headlining which was crazy and it was like packed and everybody was like the fucking place to be and anyway in this and we got talking about it and he sent me towards remission so I used to run into a mirror once in a while but that's good I figured you did I mean if you're not into Avent Prague you probably won't like this yeah but this is way out there I've actually seen them live on a big stage I saw them at near fest in like 2000

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It was insane. The instrumentation they had on stage was all these, some of them were like handmade

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percussion instruments. And I get it. If you don't like it, if it's not your thing, because they did this whole, I was telling George, they do the whole Rock in Opposition, which is a really small, minute number of bands that did this in the 70s where they were protesting the music industry. So they held a fest called Rock in Opposition and the music couldn't be any more descriptive of what it is.

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It really is opposite of what rock is. Well, you know who they're like in the philosophical senses, King Gizzard and Lizard Wizard. They just do whatever they want. Whatever they want. Yeah. And it's always of a type with them. They're not as all over in genres like those guys are, but they definitely don't have a blueprint. Right. Now, George, let me ask you real quick. What did you think of his vocals, Niles, when he sang? Because they have the, I think her name's Kara,

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I might be getting the name wrong. She sings on the album too. Yeah. He's 58. He sounded amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Sounded great. I was reading that it's been so long because they broke up over creative differences. And I was listening to the previous album, 2007's In Glorious Times yesterday and maybe today's Saturday. Yeah, it had to be today. Wow. It's been a long day. And I noticed a, that he was much more prominent.

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and B, that it was much more metal. Yeah, this one's more of a mix, I think, than the previous albums. And yeah, I think this is more of a return to their previous form. I was wondering if maybe the whole, you know, disagreement was over the metal direction that they were taking and they wanted something a little more less metal. And, you know, there's not a heck of a lot of metal on this album. There's some very heavy parts. These songs are metal, but yeah, there's not.

01:37:34.660 --> 01:37:36.240
It's not a consistent front to back

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Yeah

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So I don't want to say this

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Like I really knew the guy

01:37:41.350 --> 01:37:43.280
But I'm pretty sure he is like

01:37:43.640 --> 01:37:45.300
The artistic driving force in that band

01:37:45.390 --> 01:37:45.860
I mean

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I think everybody's probably throwing them

01:37:48.180 --> 01:37:50.300
In their little pepper and salt stuff on top of it

01:37:50.300 --> 01:37:52.040
But I think he's the kind of creative genius

01:37:52.900 --> 01:37:53.840
As far as like

01:37:54.390 --> 01:37:55.440
The liner notes on this one

01:37:55.440 --> 01:37:56.700
I thought it was

01:37:57.800 --> 01:37:59.100
Maybe not all him

01:37:59.760 --> 01:38:00.080
You know what

01:38:00.160 --> 01:38:01.680
Let's say it was

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I don't even know

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Yeah

01:38:02.900 --> 01:38:04.160
But I agree with you

01:38:04.120 --> 01:38:34.000
about that. It always seemed like it was his vision. I will say this. They have the greatest title for an album ever on their debut album, which was grand opening and closing. Yeah. There's a weird humor to them, too. Also one of the great band names of all time. That's an amazing band name. You'll never forget it. Yeah. Nothing AI could come up with. That's right. That was the old name generators from like 20 years ago on the internet. Remember? Yep, I do. Yeah, it's called Beer. Yeah.

01:38:35.000 --> 01:38:35.400
Yes.

01:38:36.220 --> 01:38:36.960
Or drugs.

01:38:37.500 --> 01:38:37.640
Yes.

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All right.

01:38:38.540 --> 01:38:41.060
Well, we've heard from myself and John and Jay.

01:38:41.320 --> 01:38:42.960
What do the other guys think about this one?

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I hate raining on parades.

01:38:45.540 --> 01:38:48.080
I just, I really don't like it.

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So it's fine.

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I don't know.

01:38:50.460 --> 01:38:52.420
It sounds like circus music to me.

01:38:52.420 --> 01:38:56.040
It makes me feel like I'm trapped on a unicycle between a dancing band.

01:38:56.120 --> 01:38:58.120
See, that's what I love about it.

01:38:58.500 --> 01:39:00.200
Who doesn't want to be trapped on a unicycle?

01:39:00.360 --> 01:39:01.080
That's why I said that.

01:39:01.880 --> 01:39:31.080
It's like being on a unicycle between a dancing bear and a tutu and a bearded lady swallowing swords under a Burnham and Bailey circus tent that's been set on fire. At a Tom Waits show. I hate, I don't want to say hate it. I just, I. You don't get it. No, you don't. I'm not, and I'm not ripping you from what I'm saying. Because you're saying, you're saying it, it's a circus music and it's really not. It just embraces that aspect of circus. Because there's more to it. And that's, and I don't say that you don't get it to be.

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I'm saying if it doesn't click or doesn't jive, you just don't get it. And that's not a knock at all. I really do truly. I knew you wouldn't. I actually said to George, I don't think Marcus is getting this one. It's weird because I love progressive music. I don't even know if that's what this is. It's not metal to me. There are definitely some heavy parts though. You know what? I would compare it to Frank Zappa. Who I also don't like.

01:40:01.120 --> 01:40:30.700
Some of Zappa's records are so unlistenable to me. Yeah, I don't get it. I like Zappa, and I don't get most of his stuff. I really don't. I just don't get it. I had a similar view to Marcason. Not that I didn't like it. I did, but it kind of hits the review of Esau where it's like, I super respect it. Love that they're doing it. I enjoyed listening to it, but I probably won't ever listen to it again. Yeah, and Marcason is funny. I said the two people I didn't think would like it would be you and Will. Well, let's ask Will what he thinks. Will.

01:40:30.760 --> 01:41:00.520
This is weird because Will and I have completely different tastes. Will, did you like Sleepy Time Gorilla Museum? As way of introduction that Will's here? Yeah, temporarily. I'm here very temporarily and then I can come back on later. But it actually sounds like you guys are done with the interview. Hi Trevor. Oh yeah, we're moving right along. Almost through a new release. Oh, okay. I listened to a little bit of it, the first song, and it literally sounded like a lullaby bedtime story. And it took a while.

01:41:00.740 --> 01:41:30.580
Like, is this going to change at all? And it did, but I had a very, I had a busy day today with the kids. Yeah. You don't have to go back. Well, I don't think it's your thing. Yeah. I can pre-press the shirt. It is not. No. Matt, did you have anything? I know you don't like wild stuff sometimes, like where it doesn't seem to make sense. Yeah. I know. I've never liked that weird kind of avant-garde or crazy jazz kind of thing. Now this is avant-garde. Yeah. This is really, this is circus.

01:41:30.740 --> 01:41:31.260
Music Man.

01:41:32.620 --> 01:41:34.180
Matt, did you have anything to say about it?

01:41:35.100 --> 01:41:37.060
You know, I heard I probably heard one track.

01:41:37.600 --> 01:41:41.600
It sounded exactly like the name of the group, but I definitely want to go.

01:41:41.720 --> 01:41:43.340
I want to go back and listen to you more.

01:41:43.740 --> 01:41:44.120
I'm intrigued.

01:41:45.420 --> 01:41:50.840
I will say if you ever got a chance to see them, you should just go just because their stage show is.

01:41:51.760 --> 01:41:52.140
It's great.

01:41:52.460 --> 01:41:52.840
It's wild.

01:41:53.000 --> 01:41:58.960
I am going to recommend this album to my buddy, the captain, because he loves stuff like this.

01:41:59.400 --> 01:41:59.720
There you go.

01:42:00.000 --> 01:42:29.900
So, you know, and anytime these things come up or somebody recommends, I always listen to the whole thing. I never give up. It just, even if I don't enjoy it, I'll still listen to the whole thing. So I am glad that I got to experience it because I've never heard anything like this bad. I gotta say that. Asking for a friend, would you list this album as metal? I would not. I definitely would not. Yeah, I probably wouldn't either, but I fucking love it. It's definitely metal and spirit.

01:42:30.020 --> 01:42:59.980
Oh yeah, for sure. But I think their earlier stuff is much heavier though. It's definitely heavier than clutch. Ooh. Well, I don't even say those jokes anymore. Yeah. I don't even say them anymore. Cause I know. All right. Let's move on to our last new release. You're muted. Will. So if you're cussing me out. No, anyway, don't worry about it. Yeah. He did cuss you out. He did. I just said that John, you and I have worked all this out with the whole clutch.

01:43:00.100 --> 01:43:29.980
things over pints at the pint yes and we'll continue to do this i don't know i don't do that to him anymore all right our last new release is spectral voice and their second album spragmos or a denver death doom band take it away anybody but me real good dirty dirty death doom yeah it's an it's an eerie malevolent force of death doom i

01:43:30.000 --> 01:43:59.540
I would say. It's like got dirty funeral doom to it also. But also grandiose. Oh yeah. Colossal dynamics in this though. Like the atmosphere they craft on this thing. It just, it immersed me for sure. Like one moment, it's like you're traveling through a cavern of slow stalking horror. And then the next minute you're just buried in a landslide of crushing death. And it's just a, it's an experience, this record, you know, it's not an easy listen, I would say.

01:43:59.580 --> 01:44:28.060
No, I didn't particularly care for it. It's funny. These two albums back-to-back are extremely difficult listens for completely different reasons. I have to make you go, you know what, maybe I don't like music. Hey, Marcus, son. Try finger painting. Marcus, son, what do you prefer on this album? Do you prefer the Funeral Doom or the Death Doom? Because I actually like the Death Doom better because I think they really do it well. I'm not a huge Funeral Doom fan, though, either.

01:44:30.380 --> 01:44:33.580
I think this band wouldn't be the same without both those parts.

01:44:34.440 --> 01:44:38.800
I think what they're trying to go for, it all goes together.

01:44:39.380 --> 01:44:42.860
So they don't have one part. The other part doesn't work to me.

01:44:44.020 --> 01:44:51.780
But it's a tough listen because when I first heard this was coming out and I heard the first song, I was like, oh, this is going to be my album of the month.

01:44:52.360 --> 01:44:58.260
But it's like, I don't want to say it's a chore, but this one's all, it's got avant-garde-ness to it as well.

01:44:58.620 --> 01:45:00.400
It's not something that's immediate

01:45:00.860 --> 01:45:02.220
There's not those riffs that you can

01:45:02.600 --> 01:45:03.540
really grab onto

01:45:03.820 --> 01:45:05.580
It's like a complete absorption

01:45:05.960 --> 01:45:07.520
complete listening experience

01:45:07.720 --> 01:45:09.120
that you have to go through

01:45:09.480 --> 01:45:10.380
It's, I don't know

01:45:10.500 --> 01:45:13.040
It's very different than what I expected it to be

01:45:13.140 --> 01:45:15.720
because the last Spectral Voice album is not

01:45:16.520 --> 01:45:17.820
That was more immediate, I thought

01:45:19.440 --> 01:45:20.580
Yeah, I agree

01:45:20.760 --> 01:45:22.980
I think it's a chore, to be honest

01:45:22.980 --> 01:45:24.240
And I like them, I think it's a chore

01:45:25.020 --> 01:45:27.340
And that's the thing, I like it

01:45:27.340 --> 01:45:45.780
I appreciate it. I keep listening to it and wondering when it's going to be like, all right, I totally completely get it and I'm going to be immersed in it. And I don't know if that's going to happen. I don't think I'm on the same page as you. Same. Yeah, I like it. But I'm like, I need, when is it going to fully click? And it hasn't yet. I like it, but I like it.

01:46:03.239 --> 01:46:27.320
All right. So this metal Thunderdome, I actually made my first pick ever. And it kills me because what I wanted to do was do something and will is here for it, but I'm not, I'm going to go with what I picked. So yeah, John knows. So I picked from 1987, two albums from 1987 thrash legends. I pitted anthrax's

01:46:27.340 --> 01:46:57.280
Among the Living versus Overkill's Taking Over. And we're going to start with Trevor on, which one do you pick? So I'm just going to blaspheme right at the gate and said I've never really been an Overkill fan. I'm sorry. That's just the reality of it. I don't think they're bad. I've just never gotten that into them. Conversely, Anthrax were the band that got me into heavier metal after being a fan of predominantly 80s and 70s rock. So Among the Living definitely wins.

01:46:57.360 --> 01:47:27.320
for me, though I will also say out of all of the anthrax albums of the Joey era, it is probably my least favorite, which I know is probably a strange thing to say. It is. It's got some great songs and I don't know if maybe it's just the, oh my God, the overkill of hearing NFL and I am the law and Indians and stuff eight trillion times. But yeah, but at the end of the day, it's going to win it for me. What anthrax do you prefer over this? Persistence of Time is my favorite Joey

01:47:27.620 --> 01:47:57.320
- Okay. Nice. And then Among the Living. Yeah. All right. This does not illegitimize that choice in any way, Trevor, but because I find this happens a lot with me, but the general mood in Anthrax is we kind of phoned it in on persistence of time. And, and I'm not, I can't tell you how many times bands have been like, yeah, we were a little tired on that one. And I'm like, dude, that's my favorite one. That is a good album. See, I always thought that was

01:48:07.479 --> 01:48:27.320
I think I misspoke all right Markisan stop looking at your beer bottle making faces with it John what am I doing you're doing you're choosing anthrax or overkill Thunderdome okay all right all right what did Trevor pick he chose anthrax okay

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All right. So I guess the first thing I'm going to say is I have no affection for either of these records. Wow. Well, fuck you. No, fuck you, George. Well, that's what I meant. That's what I meant. That's what I meant. Listen, I've never been into Overkill. And when it comes to Anthrax, I just, I really liked the John Bush years and the newer stuff. I don't have a problem with telling you you're wrong. No one ever. Oh my God. No, I am with Markisan this. And this is from someone that got into Anthrax in the eighties.

01:48:57.360 --> 01:49:26.140
John Bush years. And I like the new stuff with Joey, like for all Kings. I think that's really good, but I'm not really big on a lot of the older material. So I had zero reason to listen to these two albums again until the pod father selected them. That's right. And respect the pod father. Yeah, I always do. But listening to them again, nothing's changed as far as I perceive them. So in order to make my pick,

01:49:27.340 --> 01:49:56.920
for these records. And fortunately, once I did that, the choice was pretty easy. No, I did not. I don't like to do that. Gotta have a reason. I'm going with Anthrax for the lyrics. So the track ADI Horror of It All is a tribute to Metallica's bassist Cliff Burton. We all know died in a bus accident while Anthrax and Metallica were touring Europe together. Sweden. So that gets points for me.

01:49:57.360 --> 01:50:27.000
for immortalizing a fallen brother. And then also among the living, it just has a cool mix of other real world stories like that, but also a love for pop culture that speaks to me. Stephen King, you know? Yep. You know, there's a song on there that's dedicated to another real life human being, though dead. I don't know if you know what that one is, Marcus. Oh, this is a good deep. I don't know. That's NFL, Ethan Lick and Fesson. It's about John Belushi. Oh,

01:50:27.340 --> 01:50:55.960
I didn't know that. Well, yeah. Caught in the Mosh, they did that. And it's about a band's tech who got pulled in the mosh pit against his will. There's a song called Indians about the plight of American Indians who are forced to live on reservations. Then there's I Am the Law, which is about Judge Dredd, the legendary UK comic book character. And then George mentioned there's also a track on there based on a Stephen King story. So. By the way, have you guys seen this? Have you all read this?

01:50:59.720 --> 01:51:01.040
I haven't seen that.

01:51:01.040 --> 01:51:04.480
It's like comic stories written around the songs on the album.

01:51:05.020 --> 01:51:05.140
Nice.

01:51:05.710 --> 01:51:06.100
I got it.

01:51:07.120 --> 01:51:08.740
Oh, and that makes the pick even easier.

01:51:09.380 --> 01:51:09.460
Yep.

01:51:09.840 --> 01:51:16.220
So yeah, even though I don't really like either of these albums very much, Among the Living definitely has that little something extra.

01:51:17.220 --> 01:51:22.020
And even more because Trevor just brought out the book, comics based on it.

01:51:22.260 --> 01:51:51.860
that little something extra that I can identify with, whereas the other album does not, that I know of, have any of that. So, Anthrax. All right. Matt. I want to talk about the thrash deficiency with our youth. Save the children. An essay about the Matt situation. I touched on it at the year end when I was talking about Sadist. My life in general has had a thrash deficiency, which is odd because it was thrash that was kind of my gateway drug.

01:51:51.920 --> 01:52:19.040
that got me into like what I would deem real metal. It was Andrastis Ra, it was Seasons of the Abyss, it was A Vision of Misery, and I just don't think we have enough of it in America. That said, I love Overkill, but I've never really had an Overkill moment. My moment with Metallica was one, my moment with Slayer was War Ensemble, my moment with Anthrax was actually starting up a posse.

01:52:20.840 --> 01:52:50.100
Starting up a posse. And that's what we're gonna do. Yeah, especially when it got into the heavier part because Attack of the Killer Bees was my first exposure to Anthrax. The whole John Bush thing, I actually totally agree with what y'all are saying because Sound of White Noise was, you know, I was on a school trip to Washington, D.C. as a kid and I didn't have my parents with me and so I just bought whatever albums I wanted and one of which was Sound of White Noise. Did you pick that up because you're like, hey, this sounds a lot like Limp Bizkit and Korn. This would be great.

01:52:50.160 --> 01:52:50.360
Oh,

01:52:50.940 --> 01:52:52.280
Limp Bizkit didn't exist yet,

01:52:52.720 --> 01:52:53.320
but I would have.

01:52:53.680 --> 01:52:55.320
And also doesn't sound anything like that.

01:52:55.900 --> 01:52:56.160
I thought,

01:52:56.160 --> 01:52:57.500
I wish a band would sound like this,

01:52:57.600 --> 01:53:00.520
but like kind of rappy and they would call their album $3 bill y'all.

01:53:02.420 --> 01:53:05.520
I didn't really know of what anthrax existed before that.

01:53:05.620 --> 01:53:06.060
I went back,

01:53:06.180 --> 01:53:07.500
did my homework and I really loved it.

01:53:07.500 --> 01:53:09.240
And the reality is like at that age,

01:53:09.660 --> 01:53:11.940
anthrax covers were everywhere and you could not,

01:53:12.260 --> 01:53:13.140
not see that logo,

01:53:13.420 --> 01:53:14.500
especially steady euphoria.

01:53:15.220 --> 01:53:15.520
You know,

01:53:15.620 --> 01:53:16.800
it just stuck in my mind.

01:53:16.880 --> 01:53:17.780
But as I did my homework,

01:53:17.900 --> 01:53:47.860
I realized that I really do dig some of those earlier anthrax albums my the first time I saw overkill my first exposure honestly was 2010 at Valken seeing them play live and they were amazing and you know I've listened to interviews with Bobby and really dug them but I just never had that moment of saying like oh overkill yes and again not to discredit them in by any means but I have to go with anthrax not looking good for overkill all right

01:53:47.880 --> 01:54:17.580
So my turn to pick. First off, I want to say I have one album between these two bands in my collection. An overkill album. I will say Jen has more anthrax than I do. She has her original tape that came out in the 80s of Among the Living. So I'm not a big anthrax fan, to be honest with you. I never got what was so great about them, to be honest. But I listened, and I do like the album, and I've never been a super overkill fan.

01:54:17.880 --> 01:54:18.580
Although I like them.

01:54:19.230 --> 01:54:21.080
But I have to say, after listening to two albums,

01:54:22.330 --> 01:54:25.560
I find that the overkill has a hell of a lot more aggression.

01:54:25.800 --> 01:54:29.100
And I like the speed metal aspects of it a lot more.

01:54:29.940 --> 01:54:31.060
It just sounds heavier to me.

01:54:31.220 --> 01:54:32.720
It sounds balls here personally.

01:54:33.880 --> 01:54:39.160
And I have to say that what really put it over the top for me is fate's warning.

01:54:40.270 --> 01:54:44.900
If you go back and look at their liner notes from the specter within from 1985,

01:54:45.900 --> 01:55:14.940
there's a section in there called No Special Thanks To. So bands have a special thanks to, they have a No Special Thanks To, and Anthrax is included in there for their red carpet treatment that they gave Fates Morning back in the early 80s. And so I was like, well, you know what? And yet Joey Garrett played for both bands. Yeah. I'm going to say, you know what? Fates wasn't cool back then. I'm not cool. No. That's not my memory. I just like the Overkill album better because I think it's balls.

01:55:15.080 --> 01:55:45.040
and grittier and I like the speed metal aspects of it more to be honest so and I figured it was going to go this way that I would be out on an island by myself on this one again at least up to this point so I think you're super cool John likewise all right well what's Will got to say about it thank you Markisan and Matt so I love both bands the way this came down to me is I'm a bigger of the course of their career I'm a way bigger overkill fan than Anthrax fan because I

01:55:45.060 --> 01:56:15.040
I feel like Anthrax has kind of let me I'm not a fan of John Bush years there's nothing redeeming about that that I like just me personally I have a much spottier career to say the lead and I think for all I didn't like for all kings but I liked worship music I love worship music did not like you know anyway overkill has never put out a bad album what it is you know what you're gonna get they're kind of like cannibal corpse you know what you're gonna get it's gonna be good I'm gonna like it however so if I had to like listen to one for the rest of my life

01:56:15.080 --> 01:56:44.640
It would be overkill for sure. If I could take one discography, it would be that one. However, Among the Living is my favorite Anthrax album. And this is kind of like when we did Rust in Peace and I think Justice for All. And I love Justice for All. Well, I should say I don't love it. I like it a lot. But Rust in Peace is my favorite Megadeth album. So I'm going to go with Anthrax only because Among the Living is my favorite Anthrax album by far. Wow. I thought you were going to go overkill on that one.

01:56:45.080 --> 01:56:48.240
I mean, if you would have said any other elements,

01:56:49.030 --> 01:56:52.360
yeah, almost any, if you would have put years of decay, hands down years of decay.

01:56:52.720 --> 01:56:52.840
Sure.

01:56:52.980 --> 01:56:55.500
If you would have put under the influence, what, you know,

01:56:55.600 --> 01:56:58.920
the next album after taking over would have been a much harder choice,

01:56:59.590 --> 01:57:01.340
but taking over is great. I love it.

01:57:01.430 --> 01:57:04.880
I think it's their second album after feel the fire. Yeah. Second album.

01:57:06.020 --> 01:57:06.160
Yeah.

01:57:06.300 --> 01:57:09.880
So I don't think they hit their groove yet where I think anthrax was in their

01:57:10.160 --> 01:57:12.100
prime groove on among the living.

01:57:13.000 --> 01:57:14.840
Let's move on to Jay. Keep things moving.

01:57:15.360 --> 01:57:44.600
So, gosh, I mean, this is funny because so many people have already said things that, well, Will, Will probably is the closest to my opinions on both of these bands, actually. I think Anthrox is great. I think the crew is super spotty, not a Bush years guy. Do agree with, disagree with Will, as you know, I think on For All Kings, which I actually liked. But, and then Overkill, I get it. I understand people who don't like Overkill, they're sort of like, I don't know, I'm trying to think who else.

01:57:44.980 --> 01:57:47.020
they remind me of, I mean, like,

01:57:47.750 --> 01:57:49.740
you know, a good example of Saxon,

01:57:49.820 --> 01:57:51.040
we've talked about many times,

01:57:51.050 --> 01:57:52.220
they put a record on it every two years,

01:57:52.270 --> 01:57:53.080
you know what you're going to get.

01:57:53.960 --> 01:57:55.140
And, you know,

01:57:55.170 --> 01:57:56.260
and maybe every third one is great.

01:57:57.460 --> 01:58:00.300
I would say anybody who does want to dig into them,

01:58:00.580 --> 01:58:04.140
start with the older ones and then like hit like Ironbound and some of

01:58:04.220 --> 01:58:06.200
the later releases are really good.

01:58:07.200 --> 01:58:11.120
If you had chosen Horoscope and in contrast to what Will just said,

01:58:11.240 --> 01:58:12.960
which is probably my favorite of the early years,

01:58:13.230 --> 01:58:14.140
I would have gone with that.

01:58:14.780 --> 01:58:41.120
But the truth is that Among the Living is my favorite Anthrax record. It came out not too distant from Master of Puppets, and so there was a while where those two tapes just dominated my boombox in the 80s. And I was like, wow, these two great records out at the same time, and then they were on tour together and everything. So I have to go with Among the Living, which, by the way, could use a remix or remaster.

01:58:41.500 --> 01:58:42.920
Yes, I've been waiting for that.

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Yeah, they remastered it a couple years ago. Did that not do it for you? You mean like a proper remix from like the ground up? It just doesn't quite have the balls it could have somehow, you know? Like Twisted Sister's Stay Hungry comes to mind. Like that record is so much heavier than the way it's produced. Yep. But I have to say, from start to finish, Among the Living is really, doesn't really have any bad songs on it, you know? And I was way into it at the time. Anthrax is, to me, a B-level band, in all truth. Not my favorite band. You know, I like them well enough. But of those two,

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But is there any number of Overkill releases? I just want to make sure that, you know, like they're not a band that's just not, they're not just an also ran band. They're Overkill's great, you know, and but that's just that particular title to me doesn't muscle out. Interesting. I just realized over my right shoulder, I have one of those living and I got it from that Z2 comic book. It's one of the posters. Yeah, it's one of the posters in there. I was wondering if you're trying to send us a message, but you know, a hint. No, I just, I just.

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I just realized that's up there. Imagine if you went the other way. I know. I don't have any overkill stuff hanging in my house. As I mentioned, I picked both these albums mostly because they both came out in 1987. I had actually thought about doing like a three-way, which we haven't done before, but like adding in another 1987 album. Oh, yes, we have. Not on Thunderdome, I mean. And like throw in like Death Angel had Ultraviolence came out.

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this year and Exodus Pleasures of the Flesh and Testaments the Legacy. So I was just kind of like, but I stuck with this. I love both albums. I honestly, when I picked it, I thought I would go with Anthrax because Anthrax because Among the Living. However, I got into Anthrax on Spreading the Disease. That was my first album. And then this came out after, whereas Overkill, Taking Over was the first album for me. And when I got that cassette, it blew my mind.

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I mean,

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I mean,

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years of decay is my favorite overkill album,

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but hard behind it is taking over that album.

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Songs like wrecking crew deny the cross.

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It was,

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you know,

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that was so powerful in 1987 that I just lost my mind to this album.

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So I got to go overkill.

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You know,

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you just reminded me of something,

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George,

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and it's,

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and even though they're not the same caliber of bands,

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I can,

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a fistful of metal was my first dance.

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was my first after X records because I was just buying anything on Megaforce.

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Yeah.

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And then they had an EP and stuff.

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But when Spreading the Disease came out, not unlike the jump from Killmall, the Ride the Light,

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and I was like, holy shit, did these guys fast forward?

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Like it was a huge leap forward for them, both in production and writing skills and everything.

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You know what I mean?

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It's just like that's a very different record from that first one, not to mention the singer change.

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Yeah.

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You know, but they had done something with Joey before the take it.

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What was that?

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Armed and Dangerous. Thank you. And then they went back and he sang a bunch of the Neil Turbin songs as well. Live in the studio, as I recall. Yep. Can I just say too, and I think, we've said this before, having seen Anthrax maybe quite a few times in the last, I don't know, eight to ten years, Joey sounds better than ever. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I agree. Like, not only better than ever, but like better than he used to sound. Like, he's just such a good

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the singer now. I'll be looking forward to that new record for sure, actually. Apparently it's some real aggressive, angry thing, says they. I think they're just, they're a better band too. I mean, I know you love the old stuff, but I just think they've gotten better musically over the years. So that's why I prefer the newer stuff. Yeah. What's the drummer's name? Is it? Charlie. Charlie. Yeah, Charlie Benante. He was on the metal show one time, that metal show. And you remember how they used to have maybe a guitar player?

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playing.

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Yeah.

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Oh, yeah.

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And he was playing drums and stuff.

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And then he played guitar before one of the commercial breaks.

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And he's an amazing guitar player.

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Hmm.

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Like he could be a guitar player.

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Doesn't he play on some of the albums?

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Yeah.

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I thought he did early on.

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Does he?

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He played live with SOD too on the Budokan.

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He does a couple of tracks.

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Gotcha.

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But I mean, like, seriously, like, like he could have been the other guitar player in

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Anfax.

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That's how funny he is.

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Yeah.

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Well, I think that's why he's been the musical writing driving force. I know Scott writes the lyrics, but Charlie's really been the musician, which is rare for a drummer to be the main songwriter. That's what I thought. I thought he wrote a lot of the music, yeah. And this whole Pantera thing may put off the Anathorax recording for a while. Who knows? But I guess he's probably, I wonder if he's getting a pretty big paycheck right now. I hope they're... Sure, he's doing... He's doing all right. He's getting by. He's doing all right. Yeah. They keep playing those big shows, he's going to keep doing all right.

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Yeah, I don't know. I was, I mean, yes, I agree. And I was kind of wondering that out loud as I was reading about one of those things. And I thought, as much as I don't like Phil Anselmo, I bet him and Rex went four ways with these guys. Cleaning up right now. Very close to fair. Yeah, I'm sure too. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. They played Madison Square Garden last night. You know? Yeah. They're cleaning up. Yeah.

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What are you listening to, Trevor? Ison. We talked about it earlier. That's been a big one for me this week. Other new stuff. The only other really new records is the new Ace Frilly I checked out, which... I like that.

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be a much better record but i think it's quite well written i know steve brown did most of the work on that but yeah i was very pleasantly surprised with that record it sounds great the songs are pretty cool it's ace sounds all right and then for me the other new one i've listened to it's new old is the helicopters just released a new version of grande rock where they went in and like re-recorded some parts added some parts dragon played on it so it's like the original record plus and i've really been liking that because i listened to that record

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incessantly for many years. So it's nice hearing it through kind of a different filter. I know it's not technically metal, but Nick was in Entombed. He started it. It counts as metal. Besides that, I do not keep up with new stuff nearly as well as you guys do. So one thing, though, I recently discovered with these Tony Martin Dario Molo records that came out back early aughts, I guess, The Cage 1, 2, and 3. And I love Tony Martin. He's like my favorite Black Sabbath singer. Those records are really cool. They're kind of proggy.

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I don't know a little bit Frontiers music style stuff but anyway

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you're not alone every tenth person is like

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hey man sorry it's Tony Meyer for me

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yeah

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did you know they're getting ready to re-release everything

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I'm so ready for that

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those albums need remastered

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I'd love to have a version of Tear that actually

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sounds like powerful but

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Tony I only says they're coming

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no offense to

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I'm ready for the announcement

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No offense to Tony Martin, but nobody's better than Dio. But I respect his catalog of work. There you go. And then, I mean, this week, all I've been listening to is old Aussie records. That was just what I was in the mood for. So trying to spot the differences between the original and tweaked Blizzard of Oz and Diary. I have to try to nuance differences in the playing, but that's kind of been my playlist. So I have, I'm sorry, but,

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hearing others talk makes me think and and so two things i want to suggest to you is one there's i saw this amazing video okay let me just say first off tommy aldridge is one of the most undermentioned drummers in the history of fucking drumming the guy's amazing maybe he's not undermentioned maybe people get it but there's a really cool thing on him i'll send it to you trevor on youtube and it's just this in the studio interview where he talks about his whole career his years with ozzy and stuff he does a play through bark at the moon or something and but also i just

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came away thinking this is the nicest most talented fucking drummer in the world oh cool yeah so there's that i've seen some of the jade's good okay cool yeah but i'll promise i'll send it i almost sent it to the group this week because i was like this is so fucking good these guys do this and he's looked the same for 50 years yes he has he hasn't changed he's looked 70 for 50 years but he still sounds fucking but he's still he even talks about that in the interview he's like thank god no authorize yet yeah second there's a documentary

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about Lee Kerslake, which I haven't watched yet, but I watched the trailer for the other day. And it's called not on the heap. Cause he was, um, you're a huge drummer, but he is of course the drummer on those records you're talking about. Yep. He's the one who came up with the over the mountain intro and all that shit. It looks like an interesting movie, but I haven't got a chance to watch it yet, but I know in the trailer, he definitely talks about that shit. Yeah. That's interesting. I didn't realize they made that. I'd love to hear. Yeah. He died not long ago. I recall.

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He looked terrible before he died, but he had cancer or something. And in theory, if I remember right, Ozzy and Sharon gave him some money before he died. Yeah, and then the most recent Reubenmasters, they did go back to the originals, and then Ozzy and Sharon for the whole thing. Can I ask you, did you know, I mean, I noticed the difference. Oh, yeah. I mean, definitely they followed very closely, like, they didn't, like, interpret it their own way, but yeah, you can definitely tell. Yeah, you can tell. Yeah. Anyway.

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That's kind of what I've been listening to. Mark is on. Oh, I get to go right. Okay. Hold on. I got to cough. She's still not 100%. It's like three weeks of sickness. Oh, that sucks, man. Unbelievable. All right. What are we listening to? My first album is Chainsword, Born Triumphant on Gods of War Productions. If you miss Bolt Thrower, then this is the band for you because they have that sound nailed down, or I guess more appropriately,

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So yeah,

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if you like bolt thrower,

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you're going to like this band blazar fatal cosmic wound and carbonized records.

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This one doesn't come out until March 1st,

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but we got the promo and I really like it.

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They play cosmic funeral doom sludge metal,

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which hits the sweet spot for me.

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So definitely give this one a spin next week when it drops.

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I think it's their first record.

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Sweet.

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Slower.

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Self-titled.

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Heavy Psych Sounds Records. A musician from the band Fu Manchu started this project because he was teaching a student how to play Slayers South of Heaven. But she was a beginner. So he ended up slowing down the songs for her and suddenly realized doing that sounded completely badass. And so he put together this cover band to play these slow, doomed versions of classic Slayers.

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And I think the album has done well. And they sold out of the vinyl. And I think they're going to do another record with more Slayer songs. So very cool. Hey, sorry, Markisan it. I had to go check on the kids, but who's the main person behind slower? I thought you were just mentioning something. He's a guy from the band Fu Manchu. I can't remember his name right now. Okay. So, but if you look up Fu Manchu, you know, and actually, if you go to the

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It might have the guy's name on it actually. I'm not sure well. I saw that you ordered the album actually on Bandcamp. Yeah, I got it. I love it. Isn't it great? Yeah, it's just like this weird like, hey, I think Matt is the one who said like, what is this? These lyrics sound familiar. You read it or you listen to it like, oh, this is just slowed down Slayer. It is slower. It is. With female vocals too, which is perfect for me. It is. So next record on my list is Traveler, a prequel to

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Madness, No Remorse Records. This one just dropped yesterday, and it's a fiery assault of anthemic traditional metal. It's got an 80s priest, diamond head type vibe to it. Lots of memorable choruses, shimmering guitar work on this. I really like the band's last album, but I think this one blows that one away. Really good. Next one is Hulder versus an Oath on 20 Buck Spin Records. Hulder's first record was fine to

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But it wasn't something I played a lot. So this follow-up kind of surprised me because it delivers that same 90s style frigid black metal mixed with gothic synth that the first one had. But everything on this one feels better integrated and there's better production on it. And so it just really works for me. It's kind of like how I felt with the Black Braid record between one and two. Like all the parts were there on the first one.

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But in the second one, they put it together better. And that's what I feel like for Holder. So I've been spinning this one way more than I anticipated. And I was on the fence if I was going to go to the Decibel tour, because I really want to see Worm and Necrifier is there too, and I like them. But Holder is also there. And now that I've heard this record and I like it, I'm like, I guess I got to go to this tour. So I'll probably do that in March. Next up on my list is Hideous Divinity, Unextinct on Century Media.

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This album actually doesn't drop for another month until March 22nd, but the promo has been on really heavy rotation for me. And honestly, I haven't given this band much thought over the years, but they've been around since the mid-2000s. This record is just a, it's an absolute typhoon of brutal, technical death metal with really gargantuan, melodic solos on it. And I love the terrifying growls.

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On this one, this is a vocalist who really puts the effort in. Into the growls on like a chapel of disease where I was talking about that earlier. I just feel like too light. Like you've got, you got to put more into it. So yeah, I love this record. So it doesn't come out for another month, but put it on your radar. Cause I think it's a really strong effort in this genre. Hideous divinity. And then the last one on my list is a band called blood nymph.

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And a record shop in my neighborhood called Tone Deaf Records is doing a release party next weekend to celebrate a split LP for two Chicago bands. One is named Dusty Turrets and the other is Blood Nymph. And so when I saw the poster for this show, I kind of fell in love with the name Blood Nymph because it's a great name. So I went and I checked out their stuff and their band camp description says they're hedonistic,

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queer wrath dirge from Chicago. But I say that they're raw, angry, black crusted metal. And I think if you could go into the wilderness and transmogrify a Wolverine into metal, that's what this band sounds like to me. And so I'm going to go to the record release on Sunday. I think the captain's going to come with me and I'll probably buy the split because I like to support local bands and I never would have heard.

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of this band otherwise the other band dusty tour is actually pretty good too so hopefully they'll play it doesn't say if they're going to play or not but i assume they will because they do have a space in this record shop which is a great record shop in chicago if you're in chicago go to tone deaf records it's like right around the corner for me which is nice cool and that's what i got all righty then matt what you got nice i don't know if you remember all if you all remember quite a while ago it was a friday not quite a while but

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But for the last few weeks, I sent you a pic. I threw it in the chat. It was of me listening to, I want to say the intro to Decade of Aggression by Slayer. If I've listened to anything this month, it has been so much Slayer, completely unrelated to the Gary King announcement or the tour announcement. I just cannot get enough Slayer. I don't know what piqued my interest. Your Slayer sense was tingling. It was very tingling. I think it was probably a little bit of just that, I can remember being a kid and just being fascinated.

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by Decade of Aggression, the artwork that came with it, just the photo of them setting up the stage and wherever they were playing completely pulled me in. And it just kind of led to me wanting to listen to more Slayer, which is never a bad thing. Can I give a Slayer shout out real quick, Matt? Just because I put in Live Undead for the first time in a while, maybe a couple of weeks ago. That's the Metal Blade little live EP thing they did. And I forgot, I hadn't listened to it in years, but I'm back probably since the 80s.

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And I'd forgotten that in addition to the crowds cheering at the end, they have like demon sounds as if demons are in the crowd and it is the greatest thing ever. You're like, yeah, Slayer. You should consider coming out here for Riot Fest. We can go see Slayer together. I do have a pencil and I have written it down on a Mead notebook paper. Slaytanic Mountain. Yeah, definitely. Also new Iporia, High End Firetruck,

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we talked about uh fang e they dropped an album yesterday i believe

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been digging that a little bit we have a new track from gatekeeper caught in the treads i like

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that probably not as good as some of the more recent things they've done creation undone word of

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skull really good moon healer which we talked about toad liquor l-i-q-u-o-r i listened a little bit of that i believe there's a new album from pestilence

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Not out yet, but a pre-order. Isn't it like a re-recording? Yeah, I think it is. Levels of Perception, New Rod and Christ, which we have in the box, really digging that. Owl, Ghosts of Summer, a band probably more of a person. I got to dig into that a little bit more, but they kind of bounce in and out of my happy place. I know at least one of their albums has been on my list. There's a new track from Witch Vomit off a 20-buck spin. That album is called Funeral Sanctum.

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That is probably it for me. Spectral voice holder. Cool. Johnny boy. All right. So I have a long list, but I'm not going to bore everyone with it. Thank you. Yeah. I figured you'd be happy. I have listened to all the new releases that we talked about a lot or most of them a lot. So those were all on my list, but I'm not going to mention them again. Cause we've already talked about them. So these are the ones that were not in the new releases section.

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So the fourth album from the band Farsat, however they pronounce the name, Life, Promise, Death. They're a German black metal band. It's their fourth release. It's a good, solid album. They kind of venture a little bit. They add some atmospheric stuff, some proggy stuff in there. I think their last album, Failure, was number three for me in 2017. 19. Jeez, wow. In 2017.

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of theirs since that album. Good stuff. Can I mention the hardest working drummer in the business? Honest Grossman released an EP, Echoes of Eternity. It's more Honest Grossman. It's insane playing. It's only about 20 minutes and it is pummeling for him as usual. The new Judas Priest song, The Serpent and the King. This is the best song they've released from the album so far, as far as I'm concerned. I don't know if you guys listened to it yet. Haven't. I saw Rob said it was pretty badass. It's a very,

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It's very painkiller-like and it restored my faith because I did not like... Oh, I don't like that song "Crown of...". Dude, you gotta defend the faith. Yeah, so I will say that the album's off to a good one-two punch with Panic Attack and then The Serpent and the King. That's a good start to the album. And then my final album is not a prog album at all, or it's not even a metal album, it's not a prog album, and it's not even really like a hard rock album.

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I don't know what to call this but I want to mention it because no it's not a circus it's the album from the band North Sea Echoes really good terrible things which is two members from Fates Warning Jim Mathios and Ray Alder it's like OSI which is a band that Jim Mathios is part of Office of Strategic Influence it's like a light version of that band there's a lot of atmosphere

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It's not even hard rock. It's rock, but it's not, you know, it's not even that much guitar on it. Really. It feels like just it's in the above. It's very toned down. He plays a lot of acoustic on it and he's doing a lot of electronics. It's a good album. I mean, I like it. I just don't know how much I'll go back to it because I'm such a fan of everything else, but it's good. And the selling point is Ray Alder probably sounds better now than he's ever sounded in his career. Singing wise. I think this fits.

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It's just all their albums that are related to the Fates Warning family since their last album have all been very hard rock or rock. They're not doing much metal. I still think the best is A to Z though. I really like that record a lot. Probably. Isn't there a new one of those coming out? Yeah, I think so. That's, but there was also an announcement that Ray Alder said that, oh yeah, maybe we will play some more shows as Fates Warning at the end of 2024. I was like, fuck you. That's awesome. He slayed you.

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Yeah. So, and I'm cool that they don't release any more music and that these guys want to do their own thing now and they're done with the metal. That's fine, but they'll still play metal. So I'll take the live stuff. I'm happy. I mean, I really liked that record. It's super light though. It was way lighter than I expected, John. Yeah. The only song that really gets heavy is the song empty in the middle of the album, which is very OSI like. Jay, I think you liked the first OSI album, don't you? I do. Yeah. You might see that came out. God, that came out way back. Like when.

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Yeah, that was right around the time that John Archer's first thing came out. Yeah, same year. Yeah. So it's got that little bit of a feel, but it's very light compared to that. And OSI at times isn't that heavy, but they get super heavy. So this is good. I don't know how much I'll reach for it, but it's if I want to like mellow out one night by myself, I'm just kind of sitting there. Will can't go out.

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I have to tell you a brief funny thing.

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Just all alone in the moonlight.

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George mentioned Defend the Faith.

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And I saw this interview a while back, and it made me laugh so hard.

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And it was the end of the interview, and it was Biff from Saxon and Lemmy were sitting there together.

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And they were like, okay, we'll sign off with the interview.

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And they were like, so is there anything you want us to say?

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And Biff looked to the camera and he goes, so all our fans keep, he said, keep the faith.

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And then he looked over at Lemmy and said, keep mine. I'm not using it. Is that a good thing to say? This is right there. Yeah. Anyway, that's all I got. We already talked about all the other albums. All right. Will. You guys have talked about these because some of these are on the new releases, but the new Spectral Voice, I'm digging that one. Marcason already mentioned Slower, self-titled Slower. What a perfect name for it. I know. It actually is. I mean, you're just literally,

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changing out two letters. Yeah. Perfect. Not sure if anybody mentioned this, but the Temple of Void, the compilation, the first 10 years, I got that. So I just like having all that stuff in one spot. So like, yeah, take my money, Temple of Void every time. Yeah. I'm sure you guys talked about the new Mortis Gold, Creation Undone. And then of course, Aporia, which I'm sure you talked about quite a bit. I did have one because not to belabor, but I saw that Slayer not only is doing the two festivals, but they've also announced like a

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is that real? No. No, that's not true. Okay. People making shit up. I know, but there was like a full-blown like album art with dates listed in the whole or not a poster made with dates listed in the whole thing. Yeah. People are making shit up just like the Carrie King thing that I was talking about earlier that you weren't here for. Yeah. Okay. All right. I saw that. I was like, wait a minute. Hold on. Yeah. Don't trust the internet. Well, yeah. Okay.

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That's the problem now. Is this real? Is it not? It's AI Slayer. It's an AI post. The reflection on Jay's glasses right now makes him look like a cyborg. So he's probably not real either. Well, let's see. I just came out of a portal somewhere. Hey, Jay, your glasses are reminding me when we were kids. And remember the paystations? They would be like, they would show you a snapshot of what was actually on. And then it would be all fuzzy. And you'd have to like, look, he's like, I think I saw a titty. Oh, yeah.

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You remember that? And you would sit there and you'd wait for like a half an hour and everything? Yeah, PBS. Yeah, like HBO or something like that. That's how desperate we were as young men. Just to be clear, that was Cinemax. So your glasses, I'm like, what is he looking at? That was brutal. All right, Jay, what are you listening to? Well, mine, with the exception of the later stuff I'll mention here, really does reflect everybody else's too. The new release is Bork the Garbage. I didn't get to hear you guys talk about that, but I liked that one. I think it's a good record.

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of disease,

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ISAN,

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and there you go.

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But I'm also fully willing to admit that since there's some,

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I had sent you guys some messages recently,

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namely about two rock documentaries I watched.

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I had listened to so much YNT and triumph over the last.

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Nice.

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It's just ridiculous.

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Speaking my language.

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I got allied forces in 24.

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96,

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I think from the queue.

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Yeah.

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From the,

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from the record.

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So good.

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It's probably my favorite. But I like everything. Well, with the exception of after Never Surrender. I don't really care too much about anything after that. Under 7's all right. It's not good. Under 7's okay. I like Sporter Kings. It's good. It's all right. Yeah. But I would also mention them because I really would encourage anybody who even kind of likes those bands to watch the documentaries. They're both really good and they're both like the nicest fucking group of people you ever saw in your lives. I'll watch anything Sam Dunn does.

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I'll watch anything Sam Dunn, I don't care who it is. Yeah, he did the Triumph one, and then the Y&T one's a little more low-grade, but not that bad. I mean, it's well put together, and I don't care what anybody says. I mean, I think Dave Wynichetti is such a good singer and an amazing guitar player. Those first five albums, Jay, are so good. I don't care what John says. Contagious is cool. I know, George, we go back and forth. Well, no, I think we can all agree Contagious is no good, but I'll throw in Rock We Trust, at least

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half of it.

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Okay.

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You know, but with, with the full admission that Tom Allen wrote half those songs literally and blah, blah, blah.

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But anyway, just such great bands that, you know, both, I think deserve to be a little bit bigger than they were.

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Triumph probably did get about as big as they could get, which was pretty big, but great stories.

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And anyway, just have spent a lot of time listening to those two bands.

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Jay, did they show a lot of the Us Festival on the Triumph?

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No, but it's a big part of the doc. I mean, they talk about, because it really was. They were on fire. They were on fire, and it was kind of their introduction to America, and weird sort of, even though they had already. The funny thing was, too, and I watched the Y&T one first, and Tramp's first show in the United States was in Texas with Y&T, when they were still called Yesterday and Today, and they both talk about this show and their documentaries, unrelated in any way, except that there was some DJ in Houston or Austin or San Antonio.

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who was like really into him and he had both bands come down and they just killed it and so it was funny that they crossed like that the only other thing to as well would say not to belabor it but i went to dave mine and kedy's website and he's selling i mean i don't need it and i'm not going to buy it but he's selling his marshall super lead head with a master volume on it that is on all of those records all the way up through in rock we trust

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Just went. Yep, I need that. They were so big in the Bay Area because they're from the East Bay. And they were just, everybody I was friends with listened to them. Everyone loved them. You know, they should have been bigger than Sammy Hagar. You know what I mean? Like, he was maybe the other kind of hard rock guy that was kind of close to them in a weird sort of way. And they should have been a little bigger than they were. Yeah, they got killed when they released Summertime Girls. It put them in a different demonstration.

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Oh, for sure. And they lost all their hardcore fans. But also, both of their stories were really intriguing. So I'd like, I highly suggest that it's so much fun to watch the documentary about a band who's up and coming in the late 70s, early 80s. You know, I mean, there's just something about it. And these were both so well put together. So cool. You know, I was by the way, is there any other? Is there a new Sam Dunn thing coming or anything? Because that was really good. That triumph documentary. I haven't heard anything lately. Okay, I'll have to look and see if he's where did you watch these?

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I think I saw the Y&T on Prime. Okay. Oh, I saw both on Prime. Okay. The Y&T is called On With The Show. It's real obvious. I mean, you'll find it pretty easy. And the Triumph one is called Rock and Roll Machine. And by the way, I won't belabor the belabor, but Y&T has some of the greatest lyrics that are also the biggest nightmare ever, which is the, is it Barroom Boogie? Yes. Yeah, that last verse. Oh my God.

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He wakes up with Frankenstein's daughter. I believe you just you build up to you like, oh, no, he was drunk. So that's my pitch for those two bands. I mean, if you're at all a proto metal guy, you know, both of those bands are probably heavier than you realize. So right on. All right. So I'm starting off with the Ace Freely album, 10,000 volts that Trevor mentioned. It's pretty clear that Ace is singing because the vocals are not perfect.

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But it's, I like Ace. I don't mind his singing. And most of the songs are actually, you know, okay. It's a fun album. It's not, you know, make a list or anything. But it's fun. It's fun. Is it better than anything Kiss has done in 30 years? Because that was his claim. Absolutely. Absolutely. I almost, I just believed it just because I think that's a pretty ballsy statement, but I like it. Yeah, yeah. That's true. Honestly, he's had this one, there's something punk about him in his delivery of lyrics and stuff in the weirdest sort of way. Yeah. Yeah.

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I'll have to give it a spin. He was always my favorite person in the band. Most people. Next up, I have an album that I haven't heard about on here, and maybe somebody mentioned it last episode, but Dissimulator, Lower Form Resistance. It's the first album that are Montreal Death Thrash Band. I heard about them from Justin, and he was like, hey, you might like this because it's kind of like Voivod, and he's right. I put the promo on this.

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I know you did, but I didn't listen to it until Justin told me to. Cause I was like, oh, that's that thing. Mark is on mentioned. So it's really good. That's why I put it in there. Yeah. And I was like, yeah, it is kind of Voivod and it's just kind of bad-ass too. So that is pretty awesome. Speaking of Justin, I texted Justin earlier today just to be like, Hey, what's up? And he's like, oh yeah, cool dude. Yeah. I'm in Gettysburg. And I'm like, are you in Gettysburg, Gettysburg? And he's like, yeah. I was like, dude, that's like a

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half hour from here. And he's like, no way. Okay. He obviously, Justin doesn't talk like no way, but yeah. So we're having lunch tomorrow. Barbara and I are going to go up to Gettysburg and hang out with Justin. So yeah, him and a bunch of his friends are hanging out there tonight. I would have gone and joined them had not the podcast been scheduled for this evening. You know what though, George, I think it might be dangerous for you to go hang out with a group of people. I was just about to say something. Because believe me, they're just going to be, they would be like, yeah, you're one of us, buddy.

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Hey, I would gladly accept that acceptance. They're emeritus. Yes, exactly. But yeah, so, you know, I had to shuffle things around, but yeah, hopefully we'll go see him at lunch tomorrow and the barbacadet to meet him. That's awesome. Yeah. So, and then we'll see him again at decibel in a matter of weeks, but yeah, I'm like, dude, you know, you're only a half hour away. Anyway, moving on, this next album is not remotely metal at all, but it has a story.

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So I heard this band Inhaler the other day. It's kind of like pop rock music. And I was like, it's kind of cool. It's kind of like a slightly U2-ish kind of thing. So I listened to it and I dug it and I played it for Barb today. We were in the car and I was like, hey, you should check this out. You might like it. And she's like, oh yeah, this is kind of cool. And she's like, yeah, I get what you mean about like he sounds kind of like Bono. And she was like, where are they from? And I was like, I don't know. And I looked it up and I was like, huh, they're from

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I was like no wonder I was like I think I said yeah if you're from Ireland you've got a little bit about Bono in your blood by your birthright and so you know continue driving a little bit listening and the album covers on the screen and it's got like their four faces and I was like you know it's funny that kind of that guy there he looks kind of like Bono did in the early 80s wouldn't it be funny if this band was like the sons of all the guys in U2 and she's like

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I was like Elijah

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Hewson Hewson Hewson and she's like

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what's Bono's name I was like Paul something she's like look it up and it's like Paul

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Hewson and I was like shut the front door

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and then I looked at it up and I said well of course he sounds like Bono

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he's Bono's son and we were just like

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mind blown

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The Point is, I'm the Potfather, and I know my shit. Apparently not. I haven't heard this, but it is interesting that it would sound a little like him. He sounds a lot like him. Julian Lennon sounds like John Lennon. He does. He does, totally. A similar set of vocal cords, you know? Yeah. So anyway, I just thought it was funny. I wanted to share that in the middle of my What We're Listening To. I've got three more. Bear with me.

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Bear with me. Do you need to reveal George? So the new new the first make Mars solo album the other side of Mars. I was really kind of hoping this was going to be good, but it's not. I actually read an article. I read an article saying it was the best like non band thing that anyone's ever done like solo project from that

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Yeah, I mean, it's not low bar. It's not that it's not that it's bad. It's just very generic. As Lars would say, it's stock, you know, stock. It's stock. Better than Methods of Mayhem. I don't know, man. I kind of liked Methods of Mayhem. I did too. All right. So we're going to move on from that. I believe Matt mentioned this one, the new Rod in Christ album of indeterminate or at least unpronounceable name, their 14th album. It's not out yet.

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but we got the demo and I dig it. Give me a stylistic review because they changed it up here and there and I haven't heard it yet. So like what's it like? It's in the box. It's in the box, bitch. Fair enough. All right. My own work. Yeah. A lot of shit in that box. You gotta grab it, Jay. Come on. Yeah, yeah. You're right. I need that. It's been a while since I took a trip to the box. All right. All right. You're off the hook, George. I'll figure it out. Figure it out. And lastly, Sebastian Bach, his various solo albums. Bear with me here.

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I just read Sebastian Bach's book, which was actually pretty good. Actually improved my opinion of him. I mean, I like the first two Skid Row albums. I didn't listen to any of his solo stuff because I figured like most people like, no, I'm like Mars. Um, you know, after their heyday, it just wasn't going to be any good. And I listened to his first album. I think it's called Angel Down. And I was like, okay, he sounds actually pretty good.

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Sucks Balls. Like, he's buried under the music. Oh, Georgian projection. And I was like, oh my god, this would be so great if you could, if his vocals were actually on top where they belong. I was like, what asshole produced this album? So I went and looked. Any guesses? This is something we know, obviously. It's someone you know who produces albums by Bruce Dickinson and Rob Halford. Oh, Roy Z. Roy Z produced this.

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piece of shit. And played guitar on a couple of the tracks. I was like, Roy, what are you doing? What are you doing? So I was shocked because I was like, I know Roy Z's got a good rep, fairly good rep anyway. And, but I was disappointed by his work on that album. So, well, Rob and Bruce have bigger budgets. So true. True. Like, I think he notoriously, I think he has a shed out behind his house where he records. Like I'm not making that up. And no, he actually, Sebastian,

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mentioned in the book that the place they recorded he was like he wanted to do mixes and stuff and Roy was like nah you can't mix here this is we record only you want to mix you got to go somewhere else there's this little you know tin shack place or whatever but he's in the triumph documentary by the way and he comes across as pretty fucking lovable because he's just running around his house going like check out track number two you know like he wants to use his look he's Canadian right so yeah he's a totally like and strangely enough he's actually playing in my town tonight he's actually

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playing right now. And I say that because my wife and daughter have been watching Gilmore Girls. And so when I see him, one of his episodes comes along. We always yell my name and I am hands down. I love those first two Skid Row albums. And I do like him. I mean, he's a weirdo, but at least he's definitely likable. I thought he was. He's a great fan of music. He is. He loves Kiss. Exactly. In fact, he, there's a good Ace Freely story in there. A couple of them actually. And you know, he doesn't hold. Ace kind of

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He did him, but he didn't hold it against him because he's a fan.

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And it was a good book. It was interesting.

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You know, I had a lower opinion of him going into this because I thought he did stuff that he never did.

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And I mean, like, like I thought he was like into heroin and stuff and he never touched the stuff.

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He just drank too much.

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And, you know, but yeah.

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But anyway, what I found interesting about the book was that he comes across as a really cool kind of nice guy.

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I think he is.

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But he does not see the forest for the trees. He does not see how his behavior affects people around him. And the reason that he got kicked out of Skid Row, because he was just, he was a wild man, but he wasn't like ridiculous. I mean, he was like nobody in Motley Crue. You know, he wasn't that bad. But you know what he was though, George? I think he was the guy where you're like, you're having a party and you're like, let's don't invite him, dude. Something's going to get broken. Yeah. And he just didn't understand

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how his actions affected people around him. And he still doesn't. But otherwise, he's an okay guy. So let me share a theory about that. Not that I put a lot of thought into this. But he really is like this huge music fan. And I think he's just one of those guys that really believed the lyrics to all the Kiss songs he listened to when he grew up, man. You get out of rock and roll night and party every day. You know, and that's kind of innocent and sweet in a weird sort of way. Yeah. I have a kind of appreciation for him.

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I mean, his voice is amazing. Yeah, it still holds up. I would actually pay a decent amount of money to see a Skid Row Union if they played Slate to the Grind. Yeah, I mean, that album is freaking awesome. And it's heavy, too. Yeah, it's heavy. And he, you know, he was into like Slayer and all the thrash bands in the 80s. And he was like, he wanted to go heavier. He wanted to do stuff like that, yeah. Yeah. Well, okay. Look at him. He's frozen. All right, okay.

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A lot of rock on here. Is this the Stairway to 11 podcast? Might be. It's a crossover episode. That's my comatose look on my face. All right. All right. Let's move on to picks from the crypt. I will say first quick though. You guys are doing a great job on Stairway to 11. I've listened to all that. Thank you. Really good. It's a lot of work. Thank you. I know. Yeah, I understand. It's really good. I do more work on that one than this one. Yeah, me too. It's because like I can't just go. Yeah, I like it. What are you learning?

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I actually have to have notes.

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Well, let's get back to Ruligud.

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Yeah, so picks from the crypt.

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My pick from the crypt going back to 1997 is the first Mithatan album.

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Oh, I've got that.

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In the Sign of the Ravens.

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I picked this up back right after it came out.

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I think this is the original pressing on Invasion before Metal Blade got it.

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Original artwork, too.

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They re-released it with some less interesting art.

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But I love this record.

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It's kind of the first like folk influence black metal type thing I'd ever really heard with all the folk melodies and stuff. I really love these guys. All three records I think are killer. Followed Carl when he joined or Wiener Hall when he started Falconer, which I also really liked. Anyway, I think that's just a great record that is shockingly old now, but it meant a lot to me when I was younger and I still love to listen to it. Yeah. You said he was in Falconer. Is that what you said? Yeah, he started Falconer. I think it's all there for Mike that didn't create a Falconer.

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Are they completely defunct now? Yes. I think after that last record he said, this is it, I'm done. I don't know what he's doing now. Yeah, I think they played Prog Power. I saw their last show ever. Oh, you did? Oh, awesome. And I'm not a fan. I stayed for three songs. I wanted to give them that. I was pissed. I was like, dude, you gotta watch one all because, yeah. I like Falcon 8 a lot. There were other reasons why I didn't want to watch the rest of the set, but. Yeah, well, I loved these albums when they came out and then I jumped over to Falconer when that came out too, so that is an amazingly great pick.

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And by the way, that dude is a huge Ian Anderson fan. And I think that's apparent in Falconer's music personally. Like I can see that. Definitely hear that. Yeah. All right. Markisan. All right. Pick from the Crypt. So I did this one a little bit differently this time around. So when I was trying to think of a record, I realized that I've been doing a top 25 list since college. And I've written descriptions for most of the albums on those

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So I've been revisiting what I wrote and it's been fun to find LPs that maybe I'd forgotten about or haven't played in a while. It's also been weird to see how I wrote stuff years ago because some of it kind of makes me cringe because I'm description over the top. I know I'm very discreet, but some of these old ones are like. Markisan over the top, what are you talking about? But it's also pretty funny. So tonight I'm going to give you my

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I picked from the crypt and then I will read the old description that I actually wrote. Nice. So my pick is Forsaken after the fall. Just before you continue you understand that back when I wanted to be a musician my band name was the Forsaken. Ah. And if this is the Century Media Band is this the Century Media Band? No different band I think. Okay. It's from 2009 and it's on iHeart.

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I hate records. Okay. Well, funny George,

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because I never heard anyone pronounce foreskin that way. Yeah. Anyway,

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I wrote to century media when they put out an album by the forsaken.

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And I was like, Hey, I've had that out. I've had that name for years. Now you guys need to cease and desist and stop that.

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And they never responded.

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I totally pictured baby shorts,

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like the picture that we got on his message the other day. Yeah.

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During that anyways. Yeah. You know, it's just forsaken, not the forsaken.

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Just the Forsaken, got it. Epic Candlemast style of doom, but with a bit more of a, I would say Dio Sabbath in there and just really memorable vocals, mammoth guitar leads. It was my number 10 album of 20 or 2009. And this is what I wrote about it 15 fucking years ago. After the fall is the most epic of the metal albums on my list this year. It's like Olympus Mons.

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Soaked in virgin sacrifice and molten Martian lava, cascading down like liquid fire Formula 1s on your unsuspecting face. Filled with guitar solos and towering riffs, Forsaken's latest is a traditional Doom mastery, but unlike a lot of Doom albums, After the Fall is not all despair. It does manage to sprinkle in some inspirational passages, like Rays of Light,

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just before a parade of burning asteroids that blot out the sun and barrel through the ozone.

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So this is just like you right now.

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Well, this one doesn't actually make any sense.

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So I don't know what I was saying there, but reading it did make me want to listen to it again.

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And fortunately it is on Bandcamp and it is pretty good.

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And I didn't realize that they had a lot more albums.

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So it's kind of cool to go back and see what I was listening to then.

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and then realize that they've had some other stuff that I have not heard. I don't know why. Just so much metal. But yeah, Forsaken after the fall. I'm going to have to check that out. I got to get my, got to write them and be like, cease and desist, bitches. I was there Forsaken. Yeah. Hey, I have actual releases of these albums that are out there. I did an interview in a French magazine with this band, okay? Fancy, whatever. Anyway, please read my

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Yeah. All right, Matt. So the, we usually don't talk about what the album or what this episode's, each episode is titled until after we post it. This one is the working title is Thrush Atonement. And you'll see a theme for what I'm talking about. My pick from the crypt. Hmm. What I would tell you is that I, okay. So my life is about carcass. I'm a carcasser. When I'm doing something, I'm carcassing. I just like to sit around with my family and carcass.

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But after Carcass is Slayer. I'm a Slayer. I love Slayering. Slower Slayer? It's just been in my blood. Yeah, a little bit. It's been in my blood like my entire life. That said, I didn't come into the picture until Seasons. And so everything before that was retroactive. And honestly, I got caught up in a lot of other shit, mostly trying to solve world peace and hunger. And some other albums came out after Seasons, namely a live album and then another album.

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And then we had Dialabus. I feel like Dialabus became this really weird thing. Did you say dialysis? There was dialysis when you listened to Dialabus. And so I worry that this album that came after Seasons, like looking back retroactively, is kind of like overlooking. And that is Divine Intervention. And I've been putting that on. That is one of the albums I've been listening to a lot in my month of Slayering, which may continue into a second month of Slayering.

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I don't think it was because of the record though I think

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I think it was like it was just a weird time yeah I that was my first Slayer show was on the Divine Intervention tour with Biohazard and it was a good show I thought it was an okay album you know it was obviously not up to the par of the some of the previous albums but sure I would but I would rank it higher than some of the later ones yeah well I think it's underrated well you know what to that are really first of all Repentless was pretty good but Christ Illusion and World Painted

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are both really fucking good. Like if you go back and listen to those, those are really good records, man. Especially Christ Illusion. Is that the one with Dave on it? Yeah. You know, that's one that I never really listened to that much. I think you might be surprised at how strong a record that is. It's really good. Yeah. It's got Jihad on it. It's got the whole 9-11 song. What the fuck is it? It's also got the really like super anti-religion John Blank. I got it. Let me see. It's. It was like the, it was the single they released.

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"Skeleton Christ"? No. That one's like that. What the hell was it? Which is funny since Tom's religious. This is interesting too though because when we did this recently it was the top five albums that led us to metal. You know that my number one was "The Divine Intervention" by Slayer. Is it really? Oh wow. Yeah. That was the first really like the first metal record that I listened to and enjoyed.

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very big fondness for that album and their catalog. So, yeah. And then we did that. I don't, I remember we did that. It was not long ago. It was towards the end of 2023. Yeah. I'm noticing that Dave played on both Christ Delusion and World Painted Blood. And I'm going to give him a little bit of a Cliff Burton influence there that he had an effect on that band that really raised their game. Cause those are two of the best later at Slayer.

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Yeah, but he kind of jerked Carrie King around in the press, so you know, screw him. Which we've heard about recently. Again. Hey. The song I was thinking of, by the way, is Cult. They're probably just about to get back together with him. Cult, yeah. Yeah, they didn't say who was drumming on that Slayer episode. Oh, it was a lot of stuff, but I mean. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's pretty awesome that you picked that one, and I just, I talked about that a few episodes ago.

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Yeah, it's interesting. And honestly, when I look back on some of their set lists from their farewell tour, the only song from that album was Dittohead. We have like two and three, Serenity and Murder. I just think it's a really solid offering that kind of just gets overshadowed by, you know. Is Mind Control on that one? Oh, I feel like it is. Yeah, I think so. What's the song? Oh, Bitter Peace was the one I liked about the Balkans War. That's Diabolus. Oh, it is? It is. It's the new metal. Oh. You know, everyone says that about that album.

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Yeah, I mean, it's just slightly different. It's a slower album. What is it? Like, that was the first album that I saw them live on with Fear Factory and Kilgore. So they just kind of got, they toured a lot, I think, with new metal bands. And so they just got lumped into that. And I don't know, there is one song where people are like, Tom is a rapper. And I get what they're saying. He's always kind of been yada yada, you know. And also, honestly, there's some stuff on God Hates Us All like that, too. Yeah, yeah, totally. And like, they also did a song with Ice

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Like, come on, it was fabulous. So let's go. Judgment Day soundtrack. Yeah. What the heck was it? I remember when they played it back in the same, it was the same day as Body Count. And I was like, please, what song was it? But Ice-T played it, but Slayer did not play it. And I was like, I wish they would have played it. Wasn't the name of the song just Judgment Night? I think it was the title track. Yeah. I think the song was called Judgment Day. So off of Diablos, there's a song, a Hanneman written song called Overt Enemy. And that is my fucking jam.

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I actually like the album quite a bit. Yeah, it's good. Oh, Disorder was the name of the song. Oh, yeah. Divine Intervention is like that weird album for me because it came out when I was in the Marine Corps and I couldn't really spin it as much as I wanted it to just because, you know, you're busy. And for me, it was a significant drop off from Seasons in the Abyss, which is one of the best albums of all time, in my opinion. Totally. Yeah. So I just never had a

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very good connection with divine intervention killing fields that's a good one but for me sex murder art that was good that's what i'm thinking of george killing fields about i think it's about the war in the balkans yeah serenity and murder 2 2 13 which was for me i was like really in the hardcore and i when i was starting to get into metal that was like one of the it was the first real metal record that i loved and i got it when i was in college and um i love the cover of it almost like what is it like a little pentagram but with uh bones

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It was in one of those long boxes. Remember those? And I picked it up. I mean, I knew of Slayer, but it's the first one I listened to and really loved. So that's why it has such a soft spot. That's why it was number one. Divine Intervention was the first Bossed Off album. Oh, yeah. I'm so glad they're going to do this, man. People are going to go fucking crazy at those shows. Hope so. I want Matt to come out of yours. I'm looking for somebody else's pick. Yeah. How about John? Do it, John. Alrighty.

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So I realized I used to do something long before we started doing this. I used to do a fault pick on what I'm listening to now. And I was hoping I hadn't replicated myself on some of these because that would be kind of lame. So I had to go back through all our old episodes to find when I did these fault picks, which is the same concept as we're doing here. And I only did, I think, three or four of them. And I'm glad for you. Gladly I haven't duplicated myself.

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So this was one that I was worried that I had already mentioned. I'm guessing nobody here knows this and probably most people listening do not know this band, but I do find this to be a great release from the mid-90s. My vault pick or crip pick is Vaudeville to Dimension Logic. They're an Australian prog metal band and they kind of flew under the radar, unfortunately, but the one singular album, they have two EPs that sound nothing like this album.

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But this album was really just a great

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prog metal album that was guitar driven. It wasn't keyboard driven, which

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I've said many times I'm more in favor of guitar driven

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prog than I am keyboard driven prog, which is funny because I

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don't mind it in regular rock music, but it has a darker kind of edgier sound to them. It's got that 90s production.

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So I don't know how you guys feel about some of the

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bands that didn't have the best production.

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They just that sound is kind of nostalgic when you hear it again compared to some of the overproduced stuff today or some of the brick walls that you listen to today and so it's just a great like I said guitar driven progressive metal album if you're a fan of early Queens right you know Crimson Glory Fates Morning this would be right up your alley. Sweet. Sounds like something I'd like. Sounds like you guys all want to just check it out. I do. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. All right.

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It will. I can't remember if I use this one like John was saying from The Vault or Panky Crip. I had one that I wasn't sure if I did it like two episodes ago, so I didn't put it on. There's a couple old school albums I just am in love with, and this is one really close to top of the list. Rigor Mortis, self-titled. Back in 1988, I think I was a freshman in high school, and I was working in a machine shop at work after night, and I would play this nonstop.

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All horror movie-themed stuff. There's not a bad song. In fact, every song is great. I don't like saying there's not a bad song. Every song is amazing. It's great. The great Mike Scatia, or Scatia, however you pronounce his name. The guy who was in ministry. Yeah, he was in ministry. Died on stage in a kind of like a reunion comeback with Rigor Mortis. That was just a couple years ago, wasn't it? No, that's been about 10 years ago. Oh, was it? Okay, well.

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I have no sense of time. Seems recent, but we're old. You got to remember that. It's one of those albums I put up there that's perfect start to finish. I love it. I'd recommend it. Nice. Didn't we drink a rigor mortis themed beer together once? I think we did, yeah. It's in the book, isn't it? Yeah, I think so, yeah. The holy book? The Bible. So mine is staying on brand with what am I listening to? And it is a live record.

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called Y&T Yesterday and Today Live. And it closed up their career, basically, before they came back. And so they're kind of at the height of their powers. They don't play any of the dumb fucking songs, John. I assure you it's a great set that was played in Santa Clara. And I forget the name of the joint, but you probably know it. And it's a great set list. Everybody's on fire. Dave Manchetti sounds like Dave Manchetti and is such a great guitar player. So if you have any interest in this, you know,

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I don't even know who I'd compare them to but super solid hard rock swinging towards metal on several albums and that was their goodbye swing at the fences and it was pretty fucking cool nice so actually you mentioned you were going to do a deep dive George I don't know if you did but that record is the perfect place to start with Y&T and then start walking backwards yeah it's on my to-do list I think I put the albums on my phone yeah they're hard to find out they're only available in one big set the A&M stuff

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Oh, really? Because I got remasters for the big three ones. Yeah. Go look, dude. They're so hard to find now. And I mean, I have them myself anyway, but I don't think I didn't have everything digital. And to get it, I had to buy the set called Earthquake. That's the A&M years. And then there's the previous two before that, too, the yesterday. Yeah, the one there yesterday and today. Yeah. But those, the albums three, four, and five, which are Mean Streak, Black Tiger, and. Oh, it's the other one.

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Those three are freaking awesome. Those are great. They're so good. Super solid hard rock records. So anyway, YNT live yesterday and today was literally their last show before they kind of did a comeback thing many years later. Quick interruption. Stacy just said hi to everybody on the pod. She's at a show. I was going to go. Of course she is. Selena Plexi is playing and they were on my top 25. But of course we have metalheads. I can't go. So she just texted me and said,

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You're missing a great show. Tell the pod I say hi. Hey, Stacy. See you soon. She's like, I bet you'll be on for a couple more hours. Little does she know. Yeah, we're not. We're almost done. Almost, almost done. So I think it's you, George. Oh, yeah. So my pick, I'm thinking one or two of you, maybe three of you might know this one. Probably nobody likes it.

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This is Riot and Thundersteel. Their sixth album. I suppose you'd call this power metal, but I don't really. It's not extreme or anything, but it's also not like Hammerfall or Ed Guy or anything like that. So like you ask power metal then. Yeah. That's pre-power metal, to be honest with you. Yeah. The first five tracks are all classics in my book. The title track, Thundersteel, Fight or Fall, Sign of the Crimson Storm, which makes

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Makes Me Think of Dia with, you know, Sign of the Southern Cross. Flight of the Warrior and On Wings of Eagles. This album was amazing. I bought it because of the comic book art. I was like, oh, it looks kind of metal. It was like in one of those cassette bins back in the day. And it blew me away. And this was a completely revamped version of the band. Mark Reale was the only remaining member from the band. And they brought in Tony Moore on vocals and some other people.

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And I don't know.

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You know, I mean.

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I definitely do.

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Hey, I'm with you, George.

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You know, they're like a band.

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They remind me.

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They should have been bigger.

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One of those bands.

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A few people who know them are really dedicated.

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You know who they remind me of?

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Not stylistically, but it's a band called Manila Road from the Midwest.

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It just made so many good records, but just never.

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Yeah, never.

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Never broke through.

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Never got out of the garage, really.

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Riot did better than that, but not much.

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Yeah.

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I mean, the earlier Riot stuff is what people know them for. Yeah. But this is a classic. It's great. Yeah. So funny. You guys are talking about bands that George knows this every time after the year end, I go on my U.S. power metal surge and I listen to all that stuff from the mid 80s to like the early 90s. They're not power metal like Europe power metal, the U.S. power metal. So it's all guitar driven. Yeah. You know, and it's just a different style of.

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that metal stuff that started in the early 80s. And it's also good. And what band is actually big from that? Armored St. was kind of big. Sanctuary was kind of big until it became Nevermore. Sanctuary. You know, all those bands are great. There was some glory is another one that almost made it, but didn't. It was a really good band. What was the name of this? Malice. Yeah. Yeah. I was licensed to kill. And the dude kind of sounded like Rob Halford a little bit.

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I think if I recall they had this what was the name of that record I remember they had this song called No Haven for the Raven I just love that song whatever that I can't remember that record but let's see and they came out of LA right when the LA shitty thing was happening yeah they were hairish but let's see the band was called the record I'm thinking that was called In the Beginning I think yeah In the Beginning was 1985 License to Kill was 87 that was when they kind of I thought broke through

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But in the beginning was almost like a priest record with a couple of attempts at hits on it.

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Yeah, they were. Yeah, they were definitely B-level band, but.

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B-level band. No, fair enough. That's true.

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Yeah, but you know, they weren't bad.

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All right.

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All right. Well, thank you for joining us today, Trevor.

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Of course. Thanks for having me. I love doing it. Love hanging out with y'all.

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Yeah, it's good to see you again.

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Always fun.

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Always fun.

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I'm sure you'll be back again,

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back on again before too long.

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I'm ready.

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Now that's like the only reason I put albums out is it gives me an excuse to come on here.

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Oh,

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Trevor,

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next time you come on,

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we want to hear tour stories.

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So do some crazy shit.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's what you want to hear.

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Tales from the Road.

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It's going to be the most boring stuff.

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I know.

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That's what I'm saying.

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I'm telling you in advance.

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Have a healthy lunch.

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We had fast food this day.

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By the BK lounge.

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Hey,

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Trevor,

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I didn't really get a chance to talk to you but I you know we've messaged each other

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privately but like I love the new Apooria album I love the new edition of the singer it's just it's great I love it thank you no I really appreciate it I have it all vinyl it's been all my record players I did specifically say I want to write a Will album but I also was like I think Will's gonna really like this work I think you're fine we're good you're good all right man have a great evening enjoy the show thanks all see you guys take it easy see you Trevor

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I've never known for war to trick me to win