WEBVTT

00:00:00.020 --> 00:00:05.240
Metalhead podcast, metalhead podcast, go!

00:00:26.260 --> 00:00:27.940
You must listen.

00:00:31.160 --> 00:00:32.560
You must listen.

00:00:36.239 --> 00:00:39.980
Now, here is the podcast, Metalheads Podcast.

00:00:40.400 --> 00:00:42.420
Hello and welcome to the Metalheads Podcast.

00:00:42.630 --> 00:00:43.680
My name is George.

00:00:44.290 --> 00:00:45.080
This is John.

00:00:46.060 --> 00:00:47.200
This is the math situation.

00:00:50.020 --> 00:00:51.300
And this is Markisan.

00:00:51.550 --> 00:00:54.740
And with us tonight is a first-time guest.

00:00:55.600 --> 00:01:24.040
He's the progressive metal mastermind behind John's number two album at midyear. The sensational prognomenon known as Ed Levitsky of the Anchor It. Yeah, crowd goes wild. Hey, everyone. So, John, why not number one? Yeah. Dick. Fair question. So, obviously, I know where this is going to go for the next six hours. So, let's get it going. Honestly, I only had it for a week.

00:01:25.600 --> 00:01:55.520
The Album Dropped the Day Before We Recorded Our Mid-Year, But Will It Tip, which, okay, let's just knock one of my questions off already. They were very kind to send it out a week early. So I got it. And I'd already been listening to, I think there was at least one song up for a while, wasn't there? I can't remember if they put a second one. Yeah, I think we came up with Forsaken. We went for the saxophone right away. Hated or love it. And I was in. That caught me, and the album cover caught me right off the bat. So I was down. So I was very happy to get it.

00:01:56.340 --> 00:02:25.540
And I have spun that out more than any other album since it dropped. So. I praise. Thank you so much. And I also actually discovered Storm Haven thanks to your number one pick. So thank you for that. That's my OPA fix. Yeah. With a touch of black metal. Not much. Just a tiny bit in the sound. But. So. And John didn't share the album with us. So we didn't get a chance to listen. Oh. Do we want to discuss that now? The reason why? Or do we want to just not? I want to hear it.

00:02:25.580 --> 00:02:55.560
There's a reason for it, John? So, this is so funny because I mentioned to Will I was going to have to probably bring this up. I didn't know what you guys would think about it. Marcus, son, you have been on the record saying you are not part of the sex love club. True. So, I was like, I don't think he's a big sax guy. Plus, there's flutes in there. I like me a flute and metal. Don't get me wrong. You know? So, that's why. That was the main reason. I didn't know if anyone would dig it. I'm glad you guys

00:02:55.640 --> 00:03:25.560
If you do, if you do like it. And you can listen to John and my sister podcast, Sacks in the City. Ed, we'll have you on our next episode. Yeah. The drink of Cosmopolitans. Yeah. No. Although I think my last number one album had Sacks on it. Yeah. By the way, I have to say thank you. I believe, Ed, you tagged me on the Instagram of talking about the album when I made it number two. And I think I sounded very intelligent. And you clipped off the part right when I say they throw the whole

00:03:25.560 --> 00:03:54.240
and kitchen sink at you, which was awesome because I was about four or five beers in at that point. Yes. Yeah. I heard about that last couple of episodes there. Honestly, thank you so much for saying what you said. And I'm wearing the kitchen sink metal thing on my sleeve, honestly. Yeah, you are. Yes, you are. Yeah. And I feel it should be a general, you know, Neoblidia Viscarius is definitely one, maybe a couple of others. Alkaloid is another one that just throw everything at you. Definitely this talk.

00:03:54.300 --> 00:04:24.260
Because that's what I'm looking for in music. Where I am right now, that's exactly what I want. Neither John nor Markazan, I don't believe, mentioned the name of the album yet? No, I don't think so. It all began with loneliness. That's a cool album title. Where'd you come up with that? No, it absolutely began with loneliness. This whole album was my creative outlet during the pandemic. It had to happen. I was down on my luck. I felt depressed. I felt lonely. I felt

00:04:24.300 --> 00:04:54.260
in many ways. I just moved as well from one city to another city. Restarting your life, it really took a toll. And then this whole pandemic was absolutely Kafkaesque. That's the perfect word to describe it. And I never, I was thinking about creating music. I was in a couple of black metal bands in Montreal. I moved to Quebec City for work, you know, starting my life again. And yeah, I always had this idea of introducing saxophones and metal, you know, bridging

00:04:54.300 --> 00:05:24.200
maybe giving like a little bit of an homage to bands I grew up listening to. The Genesis and you know all that you know all these about Goldie's stuff that my father listened to and I was lucky enough to grow up around with. But when I proposed that idea to my black metal bandmates they just shut the door on me and so I kept it in the back of my head. And so the pandemic hit I was in this new place I didn't even have a sound card to record.

00:05:24.280 --> 00:05:54.260
My guitars were still in Montreal. I sold a couple. I had to restart your life. And I was recording what I could with my cell phone, sending myself voicemail messages. And that thing led to another. The pandemic persisted and I ended up with a more or less a studio at the end of it all and pretty much finished songs. And I used that opportunity to, I was really, you know, when I'm looking back at it, retrospectively, I was looking for that human

00:05:55.360 --> 00:06:23.920
as you sometimes do through music. I just wanted buddies to chat about music like I'm doing it today, but I wanted it through my music. I wanted to have some sort of collaboration. So I started looking through Reddit, going online, sending demos left and right, and ended up with the beautiful people that have all contributed on the album. That's awesome. You got a hold of Andy Tilson to play on this, which is awesome. How did you end? I don't want to jump that far ahead, but you mentioned that.

00:06:24.300 --> 00:06:54.260
you get a hold of him because for anyone who doesn't know he's a keyboard to the player for the tangent main band is tangent which is a big prog band that has members from or used to have or still has i think jonas is still in the band isn't he on base uh from the flower kings yes he is and he used to have gavin harrison at some point as well and from porcupine tree and roin stolt from from the flower kings was in the band for a little while so how did you manage to get him because that's a big grab that's a great question though

00:06:54.260 --> 00:07:22.360
It's a good question. Yeah. Honestly, Andy Tillerson is a prog rock royalty. He really is. He has a story about everything. He was very generous with his time with me. And I got lucky by contacting him through there's apps like Fiverr. And I feel like a lot of musicians were in a situation where they were looking for work or to collaborate on albums, maybe a songwriter, songwriter stuff. And it was just a situational thing.

00:07:22.420 --> 00:07:52.240
And I got lucky that when I sent out these demos, I started seeing bigger and bigger names. Andy Tillerson was one. I sent him a demo. I sent him the last track on the album, which is like the less heavy one, because after all, it is Andy Tillerson. And I didn't want to lose my chance. And he just took a day, did a one-shot take of that organ solo and sent that back. And I said, you know what? I'm doing this heavier thing. I don't know if you know Opif. Man, he schooled me. He plays video games.

00:07:52.440 --> 00:08:19.740
He's 60-some years old and he plays video games. He knows everything about everyone. He listens to hardcore punk. Man, that guy is the heart and soul of the anchor. I might have written the music. He's really making it something special. Wow. That's awesome. He definitely adds a unique sound to it because if anyone's left the album, you know that there's some heavy guitars and there's some moments where there's some extreme metal.

00:08:22.440 --> 00:08:52.400
kind of different take on it has these killer keyboard solos in there but they all sound good and he doesn't have the death keyboards like pair did when he was with opeth but it's pretty close it's very john lordish in terms of the power that comes behind it but it doesn't overpower the song at all it it just fits in it mixes in nicely and that's what struck me is okay you've got this prog world and if you're a prog nerd like myself all this stuff and then you got these heavy extreme guitars

00:08:52.420 --> 00:09:22.340
and it just seemed to work really well. It mixed well. So I'm really glad. When I saw his name, I was like, whoa, nice. Nice grab for the album. Yeah, that's what I thought too. I was like, okay, I'm extremely lucky. That's the only thing I can say. His take on the music was incredible. And I tried it to, like when I was sending out the demos, there were already completed songs, right? And the way that I've basically just messed up all the instruments and tried to do virtual instruments where I couldn't. And I played my shitty guitar solos and say like, do this.

00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:52.400
but do it better and do a saxophone thing. But I think the whole purpose was like, I was sure that album, I was sure it's going to be just like for 12 people because it's like in the, on the edge of being heavy, even in the production, we were like, not too heavy. We need to roll back less compression, less triggers, less this. And we really stick the stock to the edge. And I honestly thought I would piss off both the prog rock community because it's a little too heavy and also piss off the

00:09:52.420 --> 00:10:22.400
community because it's like yeah you've got saxophones and flutes in there yeah no thanks kind of thing so i'm honestly humbled by the reception and i feel like it might be a great gateway to both of those worlds a little bit but the secret behind all of that was to be open to like the collaborations to open to whatever andy was going to bring into the table and not be like no this is too far left field no you just make it work you work with it you know yeah you've you've played this is played to more than just 12 people

00:10:23.340 --> 00:10:52.400
I see you everywhere I'm looking and liking on posts I'm like hey guess who that is I just like this post too because I see you on so many different sites and different band pages this is getting around to a lot of prog related sites right now for the most part and some metal sites too which is good but yeah you're getting to more than 12 people trust me well thank you but it's it's all thanks to people like Hugh John who are sharing that and piquing people's interest because this reception

00:10:52.440 --> 00:11:22.400
is crazy. I mean, when we got offered the deal with Willow Tip Records, that was a Hail Mary on my part. I just sent it out into the universe and said, what the hell? Let's just go for broke. I think it's heavy enough. When they reached out back on the next day, which is you never hear about stuff like that ever. I asked them, are you sure? Do you know what you're asking right now? Are you sure you want to? Did you listen to this? Did you listen to this? There's saxophones and flutes and like the production is weird. They are forward thinking and

00:11:22.420 --> 00:11:52.380
Jason has been shout out to Willowtip because yeah they're great they've been supporting us from I've been annoying them this is my first experience and they've been I've been annoying them he's been there every step of the way so thanks they ventured a little bit on their sound they were definitely into heavy grindcore early on then they started getting into the progressive death like I think half has two they have two or three albums with them don't they that were did really well yeah they got the sludge stuff and then they

00:11:55.300 --> 00:11:56.700
Yeah.

00:12:22.420 --> 00:12:48.040
Flesh God Apocalypse was released on it, Mafia. The not-so-deafy bands that Willetip was putting out, and those bands and the fact that I've always associated that label with quality releases, that was my Hail Mary. I'm like, you know what, I really want to go ahead with this. There's a local band called Naraxis also that's pretty legendary in Montreal that were signed by them, so that's where I heard about the name.

00:12:52.400 --> 00:13:22.280
on the record, how did you go about doing that? Did you have a list of people or did you just throw it out of the internet and put it on sites and see who would come to them and find them? Oh, man. Yeah, no, it's I reached out to people looking for other people to work with. So I knew that there were M4M. Yeah. So I started out by soliciting those people asking and getting the conversation going and a couple of clips left and right and, you know, saying sorry about the production. It's really not there.

00:13:22.400 --> 00:13:51.800
Yeah, there's saxophone. I'm sorry about that. But what do you think? Kind of thing. And there's a lot of people that didn't make it, unfortunately, on the album and that I still have demo recordings of, but they've enjoyed their time doing it. And it's still people I'm still talking to. And I can call friends today. Follow up album. Remix album. Oh, yeah, there's there's definitely gonna be that I'm hoping. And there's a couple of songs that didn't unfortunately make the album to cut because either they were too heavy,

00:13:52.420 --> 00:14:22.100
not heavy enough. We really tried. And it's sad to see them go maybe in the next album, but it just wasn't fitting that it all began with loneliness vision for us. And maybe on the follow-up, or maybe it's going to be another EP or something like that. I'm excited to present the people that have worked on it. But yeah, to answer your question, Mark San, it's really just, there's apps everywhere. You can do everything on the internet if you look hard enough. It's out there. And people who love music,

00:14:22.260 --> 00:14:52.220
love to talk about music and share music. So it's easy to find musicians when you start looking, but you just, I guess, get lucky finding people like Andy to listen. And it was interesting because you said you needed to be open to different players and what they would bring to the project. So obviously you had a vision of what the album would be like, but when you were working on it, did that vision, did it morph? Did it change based on what people brought to the table? Yeah, a little bit, but honestly, it's just

00:14:52.240 --> 00:15:21.360
question of like in the production with the because the songs I was expecting a hundred percent I was expecting to make them shorter or longer depending more verses here and more riffs there kind of situation but none of that happened everyone just took the songs maybe they didn't listen it to the same way as I did for example there are places where you know my singer is singing but I also wanted to have saxophone and we said you know what just let's just put both of those together and see if it works and it was just like a happy accident.

00:15:22.260 --> 00:15:50.980
But nothing really morphed. The only thing, though, is that you create a sandbox. As a songwriter, you just create a sandbox where people can play in, but you still have that sandbox idea. For example, for the flute, I was very... I like flute, but I also don't like flute. And I had to have flute that was just totally out there, and you've got to play all the wrong notes, and it has to be metal. How do you play metal flute?

00:15:51.020 --> 00:16:19.060
And I started listening to those big band, jazzy bands, where there was a whole fashion at a certain time when they were doing jungle music. And jungle music is just you take a trumpet and you just play all the notes and all in the in-between notes kind of thing. And I wanted that with my flute because I thought it was sounding so great. And so I was looking for a flute player that didn't play the flute classically or normally.

00:16:22.040 --> 00:16:50.980
And I said, I just go crazy, move things around. And she filmed herself actually doing it. And you can see her like playing it and just like sliding the flute like as if it was. It's so weird and it's so cool. But it took me a couple of tries to find that. I always knew I wanted that. And I knew what I didn't like. And it's cool. You stuck to your guns and found the right. On a couple of places. Yeah, for sure. A hundred percent. A couple of places. Flutes. All you need is Jethro Tull. But that's like saying, hey, can you play Opus solo? Yeah. What do you mean?

00:16:54.139 --> 00:17:21.000
I get it because I just I'm not really a huge fan of saxophone or flutes and I know I get it why John didn't want to send it he wasn't sure if we were going to dig it but there's something about your album where those instruments are essential to the music and it just works it flows with the music that that works for me well that doesn't happen that often so was that something that you really tried to do is like I need the the parts in this music

00:17:21.000 --> 00:17:24.579
need to be essential to it in order to work.

00:17:25.079 --> 00:17:47.180
I think it's a very good point. And I think it's very important. That was one of the things that I did stick to my guns with. If I'm bringing in an instrument, it has to be part of the DNA of the music. I wanted to avoid at all costs bringing in just like castanette player to do two measures or something and just leave and never show up. I'm just imagining how it would look like live. Imagine you just bring someone out.

00:17:47.820 --> 00:18:10.580
Yeah, it's like a shitty condiment. That's what I hate about that stuff. Yeah, or it's an afterthought. You're in the production room and you do something and you're like, oh, how about we do, I don't know, like a gunshot there. It's cool, fine, but if I wanted to bring in an instrument, I was sticking to my guns and I wanted it to be part of the DNA of the whole, it all began, the Anchor It vibe to it.

00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:39.480
That's a good point, Marcus, because when you listen to any of the non-metal instruments on the album, they tend to be very emotional as the song's going on. You have a very unique singer for this music. When you think Prague, the first thing is, is this going to be a high-pitched singer? Is it going to be a whaler? Or to George's dismay, is it going to be John Anderson-type singing? Because he's not a big John Anderson fan from Yes.

00:18:39.900 --> 00:19:09.880
Hey, I like Only Owner of Lonely Heart. Come on. Yeah, I know. I know. There's not many prog bands that have lower register voices that are prominent. There's a few. And the vocals on the album is definitely different, which I like. That's what I actually dig. And yeah, the saxes seem to play off of everything with the emotion of the song. I'm not saying it's not technical, but it's not technical to be wanky. So there's none of that going on. There's solos and stanzas.

00:19:09.920 --> 00:19:15.300
stuff like that but it all seems to just flow together like you said Markisan and i think

00:19:15.460 --> 00:19:20.520
that's what i think that's why you probably got the sax and flutes because they're all connected

00:19:20.940 --> 00:19:25.300
they're all pieced together it's one big string it's just this is the part of the string you're at now

00:19:25.430 --> 00:19:30.300
that when you're listening it's all about the songwriting is very tight in it it's not exhibitionist

00:19:30.660 --> 00:19:36.559
which is what i like about it like i like songs like i like structure and i like things to flow into it

00:19:36.580 --> 00:20:06.460
It's why we'll talk about this later. It's why I can't get into the to alkaloid. Oh, wow. But for this album, it's just completely different for me. And I just immediately as soon as I put it on after mid-year, I just fell in love with it. So I had to order it on vinyl. Thank you. Honestly, I think those are incredible points because I think somebody called our album an exercise in restraint. And I tend to agree because I've got a great I got lucky.

00:20:06.580 --> 00:20:36.540
with an amazing guitar player who could probably show off a little bit more. But what I feel like happened is that we were all changers working on this album and everyone was being polite with each other. So there's not that syndrome of having someone that's like a main character. Usually the singer is, he thinks he's in the spotlight or then you've got a crazy guitar player, he's in the spotlight or maybe a really sick drummer. We didn't have that. We just had an exercise in restraint. Everyone is giving space

00:20:36.580 --> 00:21:06.540
for everyone. And the way that I was writing, because I couldn't just bounce off ideas from people from the internet, I wrote sandboxes for each and everyone to feature things left and right. And I also always had the idea of having this kind of live experience because I am definitely bringing the show on the road and it has a lot of moving pieces. So it's really harder to do than I'm just saying it, but it's very hard to do. But what we're probably going to be doing, and my vision was that there are moments where we jam a little bit

00:21:06.580 --> 00:21:36.540
more. And that's not something you see a lot in metal, especially, but with the saxophone, we have it. So why not use it and have him play like an extended version of a bridge or something like that, or the flute? So that's where they can shine. But on the record, everyone has their own kind of sandbox to play in. And I got lucky that everyone was polite and had the same vision too, 100%. And John mentioned the singing, which I love Sylvain's work on there. Can you talk about how he got involved and what you think he

00:21:38.520 --> 00:22:05.500
Yeah, Sylvain is a very old friend. He's actually the only person I knew from the Anchorhead that it started. And I always had him. I'm a big fan. I was always a big fan. I've seen him open like Heaven's Cry. I've seen Heaven's Cry open for like Nightwish way back when Tarja was singing. And he's an amazing songwriter. He's an amazing bass player. And I always had him.

00:22:05.820 --> 00:22:34.480
his vocals in mind. And he is an old friend that actually gave me my first job at a music studio when I was like 16 years old. Yeah. So I returned back to him. We hang out a couple of times and I kept this whole project secret until I felt like I had something that was worthy enough of having him. And when I presented it to him and I said, I just see your voice on it and think he was very humbled by it. And he was very inspired.

00:22:34.580 --> 00:23:04.380
And what he did his thing, and that's what you get on the album. I let him do his own thing. Because you can't really, you can't really, like the singers are so vital to the whole, they're the glue of the whole album, of the music, that it's very important to let them free, leave them free reign. And I think he had the same vision as me. There are certain elements that we talked about, especially for, he had an incredible job to do because I had,

00:23:04.960 --> 00:23:34.400
And like I said, the whole album, even though it's not a concept album, it has to do with a lot of loneliness and there's isolation. And for example, Forsaken, that first single released is about Alzheimer's. And I know people with Alzheimer's, something that I'm extremely afraid of as well. And like even the video clip represents that if you squint and really analyze. But I presented those like bigger ideas, but he had the ultimate and gargantuan task of

00:23:34.420 --> 00:24:03.040
of taking it and creating lyrics around it that touch on more everyone. So to a lot of people, instead of being just like super laser focused like I would. So he wrote his own lyrics. He sang. He experimented a little bit more with his voice from what I understand because the music is a lot heavier than what he usually does. So he had that, I call it the Russell Allen kind of mid-growing thing that he does. He experimented that so that he's very happy with it. Yeah.

00:24:03.120 --> 00:24:33.040
I want to just mention this real quick. I don't want to cut anyone off, but you mentioned Alzheimer's. Are you familiar with the band The Reticent? Yeah, Le Bliette, I think. Yeah, yeah. It was a tough record to listen to. It's just something that, I don't know, I got older, I got, you know, sick a couple of times, and I started losing focus, and it made me think about just how fragile we all are, and yeah, it messed me up, and that's why I wanted to create that song, Forsaken. That's great. I just saw The Reticent last week.

00:24:33.680 --> 00:25:03.020
Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah. They played a prog power and they were the opening band for the whole thing. And they had video screens and they were showing patients that were dealing with dementia and Alzheimer's because he lost his father to that. I'm going to tell you right now, it was really hard to watch that set. And then the opening band, there were people crying and he was actually having a tough time on stage. I thought he had incredibly big balls to do that. He had a fest. And it,

00:25:03.120 --> 00:25:32.700
They sounded great. I just, you mentioned that. I don't want to cut anyone off, but I just saw somebody play something like that. Yeah. When there's raw emotion on stage and you don't, you see it often, but you don't see it that often, right? I saw Oceans of Slumber in Quebec City and I don't know, maybe they were having a off day or maybe that's just what I think Camille is her first name. Beverly. She cried on stage while singing. Man, it's still something that's really, it's a hard memory, but it's also a great show kind of thing because you felt it.

00:25:32.740 --> 00:26:02.380
I don't like covers that much, but their cover of Nights in White Satin is by far one of the best covers I've ever heard. And her vocals are amazing. So. That last album was great. Yeah. Actually, I wanted to go back a little bit, like really far back, but how did you even get started playing music? I didn't ask you that question. Yeah. Oh, wow. Well, I'm actually t-shirt checked right away. I'm wearing one of my first shows that I've ever been to. You probably don't see it, but it's Children of Bottom.

00:26:03.780 --> 00:26:32.180
from 2004. That tour, I was 15 years old. I think they were not ever gray was opening. So I've never, I discovered gray there. I have children of bottom was the second band and the headliner was ice earth, which my friend really enjoyed. And he was like, yeah, you got to go see it. So I didn't know about children of bottom. I heard about ice earth cause there's a singer and that's great. That's cool. I was getting into metal from listening to Linkin Park. So that was a jump within a full year. And then I discovered children of bottom.

00:26:32.720 --> 00:27:02.040
my kind of gateway band to all the growling and all that stuff and guitar. First guitar I bought was Alex Laios V that was just like really too heavy to play. I kept at it. Just giving away his top five. Right away. Right away. So I started I started playing guitar. But the thing is, I was already playing trumpet in high school and it wasn't a marching band. I went to this really fancy high school where it's all about arts.

00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:31.600
You have to draw. There's a choir practice. It's an obligatory thing. And I was playing trumpet. And there was blues bands. And you were playing this orchestra thing. So I was like, this is work. This is not something that I enjoy. But picking up the guitar and listening to music, I started enjoying the trumpet as well. And that got me to a little bit more of Miles Davis. It piqued my interest. I was already doing it. But I started to love it after discovering metal. Who was singing Fry's Earth? Was it Matt Barlow or Tim Owens? Tim Owens.

00:27:32.720 --> 00:28:02.600
I'm guessing 2004. Oh yeah. And I was to see either one of them. I always wanted to see Matt Barlow, unfortunately, but Tim Owens, what I remember is that his microphone was like five feet away and he was singing and I could hear him sing without the mic, the use of the microphone. That's just how powerful his voice is. Yeah. I hope you get to see Matt Barlow one day. I don't know if you ever will, but I've seen him George. I know you've seen him. Yeah. I saw real life. I saw East Earth with Ripper and I saw, I did at,

00:28:02.720 --> 00:28:31.520
Wrecker in Towson. But I saw and interviewed Matt Barlow at Angels Rock Bar in Baltimore. We both saw him for Ashes to Aries, right? Yeah. That's what I saw him with. Yeah. And like Angels Rock Bar, the stage, you can just put your foot up on it. You know, it's like a foot off the ground. And so I'm just standing there with my foot on the stage with Matt, who I just interviewed like two feet in front of me. And I'm just like, oh, that's awesome. And Matt is so cool. He's such a good dude.

00:28:32.480 --> 00:29:02.460
That's great. Yeah. Wow. What a first kind of metal show to get into. We'll save that for later, but that's cool. That is very cool. So what were the influences then, not outside of the metal, but did you have any other influences in music? Obviously you like Prague, right? You're a nerd, right? Like me. A Prague nerd. Honestly, I'm a stranger in a strange world. I got to say that I'm going to be honest with you. I just kind of, I grew up with music that my father listened to. And here's a cool story, right? I'm from

00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:31.820
Soviet Russia, like legit Soviet Russia. We left in 91, just before the whole collapse thing. And my dad was sneaking in vinyls illegally through Finland between two pieces of steak because that's the only way you can sneak those in. And he used to do like illegal, everything's illegal. So whatever you do, you're breathing illegal there. But he used to do illegal copies of vinyls to his friends on radiography vinyls from like the hospital. So crazy, crazy story, right? My dad is like really my pillar for music.

00:29:31.880 --> 00:29:32.860
And I'm,

00:29:33.260 --> 00:29:33.700
hey dad,

00:29:33.840 --> 00:29:34.380
if you're listening.

00:29:35.360 --> 00:29:36.220
That's crazy.

00:29:36.600 --> 00:29:36.680
Yeah,

00:29:36.840 --> 00:29:37.360
it's crazy.

00:29:37.540 --> 00:29:38.320
It's like the Levi's.

00:29:38.440 --> 00:29:39.340
Remember that from Maiden?

00:29:39.490 --> 00:29:40.100
The Levi's.

00:29:40.560 --> 00:29:44.840
People sneaking in Levi's to buy albums or to get albums on the Eastern

00:29:44.970 --> 00:29:45.080
block.

00:29:45.420 --> 00:29:46.160
That's what they would trade.

00:29:46.560 --> 00:29:46.680
Yeah.

00:29:46.960 --> 00:29:47.380
Yeah.

00:29:47.600 --> 00:29:50.820
The bubble gum Levi is anything that has to do with the American culture

00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:51.380
particularly.

00:29:51.570 --> 00:29:52.420
Just to get one album.

00:29:53.060 --> 00:29:54.500
Just to get one album through Finland,

00:29:54.760 --> 00:29:58.440
through a DJ guy that he just met and probably shared a few vodkas.

00:29:58.850 --> 00:30:00.040
That part he doesn't say,

00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:00.760
but quote unquote,

00:30:01.060 --> 00:30:01.340
a few,

00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:30.820
A few. Glasses, obviously. But he listened to music all his life, and he used to listen to all the psychedelic proclaharum stuff. Really deep, Uriah Heep a lot. And I know you guys are talking about Uriah Heep a lot on the podcast. Jay loves Uriah Heep. Yeah. So he used to listen to stuff like That Space and whatever, Super Tramp, and those are albums I grew up with, but I never knew they were prom. I just knew that. This is dad's music. Yeah, this is dad's music.

00:30:30.920 --> 00:31:00.080
And when my dad came to Canada, when we came to Canada, he just Columbia House. Oh, yeah. He would look at the menu and he'd say, yes, please, basically. And because he had all the access. You know, I had like Shania Twain CD and like Radiohead CD, the same like thing. But and I ended up liking it over time because you're, you know, you're young, you're rebellious and you're like, no, dad, everyone listens to rap music. And that's what I like.

00:31:00.140 --> 00:31:29.300
I was lying to myself because that's the music that really resonated with me. And so I grew up on bands that ended up being prog. Genesis ended up being prog. To me, it was like folk stuff. And actually through the Anchoret, the albums that kind of stuck with me the most, that's every song on the album is an homage to a specific album. And some of them are a little bit more,

00:31:34.400 --> 00:32:00.120
Like, just throw that in, mix in a little bit of Opeth and stuff that I enjoy. And that's the DNA of that song. I'm thinking that the reason there is saxophone in the Anchorhead is because of Crime of the Century. Specifically, that song, that kind of

00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:30.120
really resonated. And that's an album I still listen once a month. I think you're a lost relative of mine. I love that album. Oh my God. Yes. And a couple of ABBA stuff to you left and right. Maybe you're not. That was my test. That was a test. Wow. Tough customer here. Jeez. That's awesome. That's what's funny. You're mentioning all these albums and these bands that influence

00:32:31.820 --> 00:33:00.120
the work for the anchor it and a lot of times when bands you'll hear this in reviews oh they're wearing their their influences on their sleeves it's really funny i hear some of that but i don't feel like you're a derivative of that at all if anything you've created your own sound trying to do that which is not only hard to do but it's somewhat unique because i don't have a problem with bands not being derivative but having their influences show through their music that's just the way it is it happens that way

00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:30.120
You wouldn't have Aerosmith if they weren't Rolling Stone fans, right? They're basically a dirtier version of the Rolling Stones. And that's just one example. But Van Halen spurred on a bazillion bands in the 80s. And you can pick Metallica how many bands and those thrash bands did. So yeah, you're mentioning these influences, but I don't think any of them make it sound like you're trying to be them at all, which is hard to do. So that's well done on that part. Thank you. And I think that most bands, I'm pretty sure

00:33:30.180 --> 00:34:00.120
that they try to get their own sound across because you have to have something to say you have to have a certain vision and i was lucky that i had that one and i stuck to my guns and everyone who collaborated on it follow through but honestly like pantera is a great example is they're basically doing music that they probably grew up listening to a lot of blues like a lot of southern blues and they just threw in like heavy guitars on it and it just happens to be their sound um and it's

00:34:01.599 --> 00:34:30.120
that did that. In my honest opinion, if you're listening to prog metal in any capacity, kind of like Rob Zombie said that Black Sabbath did every cool riff out there. King Crimson, specifically the album Red, did every cool prog metal thing ever. You just dissect that. You just dissect any single piece of that album and you can find it in Beyond Creation and you can probably find it

00:34:56.520 --> 00:34:58.000
It's hard to describe.

00:34:58.140 --> 00:35:01.200
It's got great rhythm

00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:02.140
It's red

00:35:02.940 --> 00:35:03.380
It's red

00:35:03.800 --> 00:35:04.960
Actually it's black

00:35:04.960 --> 00:35:05.700
The fastest caller

00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:06.580
Yeah exactly

00:35:07.180 --> 00:35:08.540
They improvise on one song

00:35:08.720 --> 00:35:10.060
I know some people don't like that song

00:35:10.220 --> 00:35:10.860
But it's just

00:35:11.620 --> 00:35:12.320
It's got melody

00:35:12.560 --> 00:35:13.580
It's just different

00:35:13.860 --> 00:35:15.320
But every metal fan that I know

00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:16.580
That likes Prog though

00:35:17.040 --> 00:35:19.000
Like Galen I think is a big fan of Red

00:35:19.240 --> 00:35:19.880
And King Crimson

00:35:20.300 --> 00:35:21.500
Our friend from Farrah Brewer

00:35:21.640 --> 00:35:22.320
And Umpteen

00:35:22.620 --> 00:35:23.580
He's not that band anymore

00:35:23.600 --> 00:35:24.740
But he's got Umpteen other bands

00:35:24.860 --> 00:35:25.600
He's with Wolves

00:35:25.960 --> 00:35:26.700
In the throne room now

00:35:26.700 --> 00:35:27.499
As their bass player

00:35:27.800 --> 00:35:55.040
I think he's a big fan of that album. So many metal musicians love the album Red from King Crimson. That's a great mention. Yeah. So thanks dad for that one too. I pretty much owe all my days to him. I just now am learning that it's actually Prague. So how is your dad and your family doing? Oh, they're doing great. Thanks for asking. Yeah, they're a little far away. They're sad that I moved out, but that's overbearing Russian parents. That's what you get. That's all parents. Yeah, exactly.

00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:25.420
I have one question. So as you mentioned, making it all began loneliness was very personal experience for you. It started from this awful period of isolation and disconnectedness. But now that you've made this record in the pandemic has subsided, how do you feel about your place in the world and your place with other people?

00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:56.300
Honestly, like I'm talking about it all began with loneliness with a big smile on my face right now. And I feel like such a fake saying that, yeah, I was very sad, but I really was. But at this point, I don't even remember it because the reception has been just, I'm being honest, the reception has been just overwhelming. And I do feel like a stranger in a strange world because I had my metal guys that were just no on the saxophone. But I'm also discovering this whole community of people.

00:36:56.380 --> 00:37:26.360
looking for stuff that are challenging and pushing boundaries. I'm getting into this pro community, discovering so many things. My personal favorite thing to do is actually read reviews about the album, good or bad. And people saying, you know, what they see inside those albums. Some people say, oh, I can hear some Baron Earth influences. I had no idea what that is. Amazing band. Disillusioned. I've discovered that thanks to reviews. And I'm like, oh my God, where have I been living under a rock? I guess I was too busy being

00:37:26.860 --> 00:37:56.320
doing this album, but it's fantastic to, it's a great gift to have people listen to it, take it on, take that personal journey and discovering things that they love inside the album. It's honestly, I feel very privileged and humbled. You don't, you're not in the box. Honestly, if that's how you got here, this catharsis of getting here, you're not in a musical box. So you could literally do whatever you want because you've already done it.

00:37:56.380 --> 00:38:25.820
where some bands, they like to be in that box. They'll stay in there. It's funny. Will and I had this conversation today. We're talking about the Overkill. I was just going to say Overkill. And they do it so well, and it's awesome. And I said to Will, I only need three or four Overkill albums. I don't need to have them all. On the prog side, it's like Osric Tentacles is like that. You don't have to have all their albums because they all pretty much sound the same. That just depends what you like. But you don't have that constraint, which has to feel pretty good.

00:38:25.900 --> 00:38:55.600
If you started at one place and got to here, you pretty much can fly free with whatever you want to do going forward. It feels great. But then again, now that there's expectations, it's a scary thing. You can't go to Jazz Odyssey now as your next album. If anyone knows their reference, Final Tap, Jazz Odyssey. Come on. I'm just going to have here. I just know I'm not going to get any Stonehenge on the show. Yeah, I totally agree with John. You have this album and it's very unique. It has its own sound. And that's,

00:38:55.880 --> 00:39:25.440
not something you hear on a first album. You know, you see bands and you can hear some derivative parts of albums past and then they maybe they'll move into their own sound. But just coming right out of the gate with this like very unique album. Yeah, I can see where you might have some pressure to deliver. But you also you created it. So you have that template and you can go beyond that. And you already got pieces of music that you might be able to incorporate in the next album. We're really looking forward to whatever you do next.

00:39:25.480 --> 00:39:26.160
Thank you.

00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:27.820
And Armored Saint said,

00:39:28.080 --> 00:39:28.860
Can You Deliver?

00:39:29.680 --> 00:39:29.940
Yeah.

00:39:31.500 --> 00:39:31.760
Sorry.

00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:32.780
I love that song, man.

00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:33.320
It's so good.

00:39:33.720 --> 00:39:35.520
It's like the only Armored Saint song I really like.

00:39:36.380 --> 00:39:36.580
Really?

00:39:37.660 --> 00:39:38.920
That first album's good, I thought.

00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:40.500
That's my, I should restate that.

00:39:40.620 --> 00:39:42.100
That is my favorite Armored Saint song.

00:39:42.240 --> 00:39:42.500
Oh, okay.

00:39:42.520 --> 00:39:43.560
So Madhouse is cool.

00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:43.960
Yeah.

00:39:44.360 --> 00:39:44.480
Yeah.

00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:45.940
I was going to ask you, Ed,

00:39:46.360 --> 00:39:49.060
so those black metal guys that you were playing with before

00:39:49.780 --> 00:39:52.260
who weren't into the music that you wanted to do,

00:39:52.900 --> 00:40:22.760
Have they gotten back to you about your album? What do they feel stupid now? They're probably the only people that have not. You know, to be honest with you, a couple of people, you know, did show up and said hi and they're friends. But it's always it's I don't blame them. I'm a happy go lucky kind of person. And there is, you know, I was feeling this loneliness because I did move out and I tried staying in contact. When then you discovered that maybe the friends that you had weren't actually friends because now you you're far from their eyes.

00:40:22.900 --> 00:40:52.220
They don't really bother anymore. So that discovery hurt. I've rekindled old friendships and that's fine as well. But you've made a bunch of new friendships. That's exactly where I was going. This whole, you know, I just went on Twitter expecting that to be a dumpster fire. And the whole metal community on Twitter is just so amazing. It's so friendly. It's so fun. It's so supportive. And funny thing, though, there are podcasts, there are things that I follow along here in Quebec.

00:40:52.300 --> 00:41:21.780
And I have a feeling that they're all kind of snubbing me more than anywhere else in the world. That's what you get in your home court. Maybe other bands live the same thing. Maybe the... That's gonna happen. You can't avoid that no matter how hard you try. You guys got a mention on the Prog Report though. So that's a big nice thing to have. I think they mentioned Forsaken, didn't they? On their songs to check out? They did. That was incredibly unexpected. And Roy kind of contacted myself and we did a little bit of an interview.

00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:50.460
Double Date with No Spoon, which is a great album. It's so good. If you haven't checked it out, it's a little bit more different influences. It's basically if Metropolis Part 2 was written by Hagen. And that's how it sounds. That's to me. It's definitely derivative, but that's how it sounds to me. And save that for later, okay? It's going to come up again. Okay. Promise. Yes, sir. It's on the notes. It's coming up. Wait for it.

00:41:52.280 --> 00:42:22.260
I'll report for anyone who doesn't know that it's they had a website and I think Roy's in he's in the music business already and he started a podcast so they do stuff they get a lot of the prog rock and modern prog rock and prog metal bands on their YouTube channel and they have blown up they've got they put out a book that I picked up from them I don't necessarily agree with all their opinions on some stuff but it's cool although they're they do this new thing called it's like a wheel spin

00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:52.200
Yeah, whatever. And they take a band and they spin the wheel. And then when the album comes up, they do that ranking thing. What is it? S, A, B, C, D, F, or whatever. Have you ever guys seen that before? There's a ranking app site page and you could rank albums on where they fit. So S is like the super albums or whatever. And then you rank them by grade after that. They just did Opeth, which I actually agreed with for the most part, which is surprising because I usually don't agree with those things. I'm always like the old fart prog. I was like, yeah, raw.

00:42:53.080 --> 00:43:21.920
I'm excited to check that one out. They have Mike Portnoy ranking. He was on it, yeah. Opeth. That's crazy. Yeah, it's cool. They did one for Porcupine Tree and I was just shaking my head the whole time. No, like that. But that's the beauty of these things. Everyone's got their own opinions. Porcupine Tree is a good pull. I bet Ed's a fan of that band. I think I can hear some of that. Yeah, I got into Porcupine Tree through Stephen Wilson's, like I said, I'm a stranger in a strange world. Don't hate me too much, but I got into Porcupine Tree.

00:43:22.300 --> 00:43:52.260
through Stephen Wilson's The Raven That Refused to Sing and other stories, which is just... He says that and then he drops a porcupine tree reference for the song when he says, don't hate me. Nice. Without knowing. Yeah, without knowing. Yeah, okay. I have zero points on that one. I apologize. Okay, I'll give you a point. That's all right. You're gonna have to. That's interesting because I'm a porcupine tree from the 90s before, obviously, Stephen had his solo work out there. And so it's interesting to meet people who are a fan of porcupine tree because of his

00:43:52.300 --> 00:44:22.260
is solo work first. So that's unique for me. Because usually it's all just a bunch of crotchety old prog fans arguing about which is better. But you're way more refreshing to talk to than my old crotchety old friends about this stuff. I could say the same with my black metal friends, the narrow-minded black metal friends. You know what? Maybe you needed those friends because their non-approval pushed you forward to go even further. Yeah, of course. I kind of say that jokingly, to be honest. And I'm pretty sure a couple

00:44:22.300 --> 00:44:51.040
of the friends will be watching. They did push me in different directions and made me explore a lot more things. And I am who I am because of the hardships that I lived through and through the good things too. I owe, I'm pretty sure I owe them a great deal. And maybe they've pushed me to a limit where I was always trying to make things better and better. Forsaken, that first single basically was the first song that I wrote for the album. That was like the template of what I want to capture as far as sounds go.

00:44:52.280 --> 00:45:22.100
I had that specific song written for a long time, but I just never wanted to get rid of that saxophone because I thought it was extremely important and integral. And that song became what it became because of those hardships, because of people pushing things away. So you're 100% right there, John. I think that I owe them much more than I'm willing to admit. Well, that's a good attitude to take about it because if they didn't want to do it and you still went forward, you could.

00:45:22.500 --> 00:45:52.080
Not that they're the, you know, it's the old adage in sports. Yeah, we don't need any tabloid or newspaper or chalkboard material to get us pumped up. But sometimes you need a little bit to get you started. Yeah. And I always say, you know, I don't regret things. Like there's things that happen in my life that I look back on like, oh, that was dark. But I never regret anything in my life because if I didn't take that one path or if I didn't meet certain people or have friendships, I might not be where I am today. I try to look back on it and think of it not fondly,

00:45:52.100 --> 00:46:21.200
But as part of that, the whole journey. With perspective, yeah. Everything affects you one way or another. If it's something good, it moves you forward. If it's something bad, it inspires you to move forward. Everything has a reason, good or bad. It's all about the journey. I agree with that 100%. Everything is all about the journey. The Anchor It was all about the journey for myself, like a personal one. I grew a lot since the release of the album.

00:46:21.260 --> 00:46:51.240
But I'm hoping that the album itself is a journey to people. The way that even it was composed musically, the ending always has to have this climax. And the lyrics are, I don't know if you guys dug into the lyrics a little bit, but I thought for sure I'll be pissing off all the metal people because it's just positive. Because you're sad, it's bad, but here's a solution. There's always a way out. And that was important for us during the pandemic. That was important for Sylvain, who was

00:46:51.280 --> 00:46:51.500
singing.

00:47:21.260 --> 00:47:48.880
Hey, Dia was positive singing about demons and swords and dragons. So you can do it. So I just have one quick thing I want to ask. I'm not sure where we are in the interview being if we have a lot still to go, but you mentioned about playing live and I'm curious what you're thinking about. And the reason why I bring that up, I don't know if you know this, you probably don't because you weren't there. I don't think, but at Prague power in Atlanta last week, Forsaken was on the house playlist in between sets.

00:47:50.080 --> 00:48:17.600
So there's actually quite a few new bands that are in the same kind of umbrella that the Anchor It's in that were getting Airplay. And I was actually really happy because as you start to get older and you remember where you started with music and where you are now, you're wondering who's going to follow up, who's going to continue picking up for bands that have been around. And it was on the playlist. I was like, fuck yeah. What a great band to have on the stage at Prog Power.

00:48:17.680 --> 00:48:47.120
You know, so, although there's only three years left, but what are your plans? I gotta go to one of them, man. I gotta go to one of those with the gen. Yeah, there's some stuff coming. I know it. It's obvious it's already started. Did he do an announcement like Vaken does at the end where it says this was coming? Yeah, they do. Yeah, they did. They dropped a massive surprise on everybody. Wow. So, we can save it for later if you guys want to talk about it. I don't want to take time away from it. But what are your plans?

00:48:47.680 --> 00:49:17.640
to do this live. I mean, you got a pretty big deal if you're going to do this because you've got a lot of instrumentation going on the album. Yeah, I know. And like the worst thing that I could do is just show up with a backing track at this point because it's not the kind. Yeah. That's such a hot topic right now. Because of that whole reaction, for sure. But like, I want to get an experience that comes across as genuine, too. And as I said, when we're looking at things and maybe we're just digging in way too deep because I'm thinking of playing without a click track. I'm thinking of how to do this live.

00:49:17.700 --> 00:49:47.640
having maybe improvisational moments with we have a saxophone i don't want him to stand there and not do anything for the seven minute track he's there for a good amount of time but how about we just add him a little bit more into the spotlight kind of thing maybe the flute to have that too maybe have nimewari come out and sing gospel vocals live that would be great and we're also playing with logistics sure there's a lot of layers i'll probably be picking be picking up guitar instead of bass and because

00:49:47.680 --> 00:50:17.640
a great bass player and he will be the singer as well just because of the logistic of this whole thing so we're just like playing around things but we've already started booking and looking for next year what can be done where can we go and what what can we do about this all but at at this point in time i'm relearning everything by ear to play guitar yeah it's almost becoming like a are you familiar with arne lucasen yeah yeah this is becoming like an arne lucasen project

00:50:17.680 --> 00:50:47.640
because if anyone doesn't know Aaron Lucas and he has the band Arian, Star One, and they're just these big, gigantic, grandiose. He's got like 4,000 people on every album and he's every album gets a bigger name on it. And they just did. They just had a weekend that Aaron and weekend. I think this, I don't know if it was last night they played or not, but they just played. So they played last night. They're playing today as well as I think too. I think they did Human Equation, didn't they? Yesterday, the whole thing. I think so, but I wish I was there. I'm so jealous, but maybe, maybe

00:50:47.680 --> 00:51:17.340
One Day Playing the Netherlands. Say hi to Arian. But yeah, I hope you can do something and be able to realize some of this. And yeah, don't if you don't have to do a backing track, then you just don't do it. So I agree with that. And I don't think that's what the fan that's what the fans deserve. They deserve the whole experience and the most honest experience. I was as honest as can be with the songwriting, as honest as I can be with the lyrics and the whole production and the reason of the band. I'm not going to start faking it on stage at the last minute.

00:51:17.660 --> 00:51:47.160
So you're not Motley Crue is what you're saying. Not yet. Give it 20, 30 years. Yeah. They weren't faking it back in the day to shout at the devil. They were in the prime. 20, 40 years. Hopefully not. Maybe we'll stop. But it doesn't look good when Tommy Lee stands up and raises his hands to the crowd. The drums are still playing. You're like, huh, how's he doing that with his hands up in the air? He's just that good. You know the stick he's using. Then that's pretty amazing. I'm impressed with that. He could play with that. As a former drummer, I'm impressed. Jesus.

00:51:48.640 --> 00:52:17.640
20, 30 years from now, it's all going to be AI anyway. We're not going down the Skynet. It's not a lot on this podcast. I think we should move on to the three albums that would help people understand you better as a person, Ed, unless you wanted to say anything else about the record. No, I can't think of anything right now. You can always just shout it out later. That's the best part of being a guest. You can say whatever you want, whenever you want. I'm just being polite because I would probably talk about three hours and

00:52:17.680 --> 00:52:47.320
No one really wants that. Right. Three hours. We're already over an hour. You wondered why we go long. See, it's my fault now, you know, definitely your fault. You made it very easy to talk. So yeah, let's get these three albums. Yeah. I'm excited about this. We always do this with new guests. So do I like fire them all three and then go into depth or do you want to go one at a time? One at a time. One at a time. Yeah. Okay. In no particular order. Okay. I'll go with. Yep. Okay. I would go with open watershed.

00:52:47.660 --> 00:53:17.640
because that was the album that kind of tied in everything that I loved about music together and specifically that album because I got to learn about Stephen Wilson through it. That was my journey and my journey back to the prog world and understanding what actually prog is, you know, going from like the black metal stuff and whatnot. So it's a bridging album for me. And I listened to it very often to get ideas. And I know that I was debating because

00:53:17.680 --> 00:53:46.880
after learning about Opeth, you play around. Maybe Still Life is more my favorite album now. That's the right choice. That's the right choice. I saw it in your eyes, but you felt it. From Virginia, you felt that, yeah. But if I'm very honest, I think Opeth Watershed is the one that kind of got me into it and made me understand that music, made me go back into the prog world, and I owe a lot to it. So that's one of my choices. It's a good choice. I like that one.

00:53:46.920 --> 00:54:14.700
The other choice is a little bit of an unknown band and I'm looking to see if you guys know about it. It's called Winter Horde. It's a band from Israel. It's a progressive black metal band, right? And I was going in from this heavier side of things and I always enjoyed black metal in the sense that I never really liked the mayhem stuff. I really enjoyed the whole atmospheric part of it.

00:54:17.040 --> 00:54:46.800
was what I was really looking for. And then I stumbled upon Winter Horde, which is a very heavy band, but it's specifically that album called Underwater Moon. Yes, that was the one I got into. Yeah. And that's that album. I don't know what it's about. Like today, I would probably name maybe Bork Nagar or Esan or Enslaved or Arcturus, like those bands. The only reason I even know about them and went to seek them out is because of the Underwater,

00:54:47.680 --> 00:55:14.100
It has blast beats. It's extremely heavy, but then it has a whistling solo. And the whole songs are, it's a concept album about gypsy curse and people lost at sea, ghosts coming back to life. Like it's the whole, it opened up my horizons of what extreme music could be. Even before, not before OPF, but definitely in the prog, in the black metal realm of things.

00:55:15.900 --> 00:55:44.980
And the third one, actually, Sylvain Leclerc turned me to it because I had no idea about it at all, believe it or not. And it's Cynic, Trace the Nair. And that made me rediscover death. It made me discover and understand just death metal in general, because that is something that I never got into it. I'm not very well versed in death music, in death metal. And actually the band death, I wasn't aware of. I thought the production was a little bit off growing up. And I'm like, yeah, I'll just return to this. I'm not ready for it.

00:55:45.020 --> 00:56:15.000
kind of thing. And it brought in this jazz element that stuck with me forever. And hopefully that you can hear in the Anchoret today and probably hear in every other album I'll ever do under any other banner because it's just, it blew my mind. It really did. Nice. And we're big Cynic fans. I just saw Cynics. What did you, John, right? I saw them right after you in July when they played with Atheist. And I just saw them last week at Prog Power on the big stage, which was...

00:56:15.640 --> 00:56:44.980
Fucking awesome. So it was so good. And their band sounded amazing. So that those are great. They played focus, not Trace Center, but they did play two songs from Trace Center. Because it's the anniversary for focus. Yeah. Just 30 years the other day. Yeah. It's crazy. Very nice. Those are great, Ed. Thanks. I actually have one of the winner of Horde albums on vinyl. Yeah, I remember you. You have a lot of vinyl back there. Yeah. You got to revisit that, George. I know. I haven't talked about it.

00:56:45.020 --> 00:57:15.000
This is going back. I have Maestro on vinyl, but the Underwater Moon was the one that I was like, oh yeah, this is so good. But I don't think they had it on vinyl back then. I don't even think they, I think they changed like labels and you can even find it on Spotify until like recently because now the label published that. So maybe we'll get lucky and get it. It's on Bandcamp. It's on Bandcamp for sure. Cool. Awesome. All right. Oh, why don't you

00:57:15.040 --> 00:57:43.580
Tell people where they can find you on the album, on social media, website, all that stuff, Ed. So you can find Deancaret on deancaret.com, which reunites all the links for Twitter. We're on Deancaret Official. On Bandcamp is deancaret.com. So I got tired of saying that. So you just go to deancaret.com and you'll find all the links to access. We've got shirts. We've got two vinyls variants. We've got CDs.

00:57:44.760 --> 00:58:14.640
Awesome. Pick it up. I just got my vinyl in the mail, actually. Yeah, they look great too, by the way. Both variants. Thank you. I was excited to see how they turn out. It's always a little bit of a guess, but I think they turned out really good. I'm excited to get mine because I haven't gotten it yet. Did you get a test pressing or anything? No, I didn't even hear the test pressing at all. I kind of trust Jason with it. He's the expert. He's a professional. But we did get it mastered specifically for

00:58:14.680 --> 00:58:44.640
the vinyl and we were. Oh, nice. I responded a few times. It sounds damn good. Thank you. I appreciate that. And also a stranger in a strange world. I got to say it and I'm going to be honest and I'm going live on the air, but I was not a big vinyl person at all. And it's just something that's new to me. And now I just love it. And my whole paychecks are just going into it. As happens. George actually quit getting vinyls and I can't believe he did it because he has a

00:58:45.200 --> 00:59:14.620
I quit when I got laid off and I didn't have money for a few months and I just never got back. I don't say never. I still get the occasional thing but my addiction is cured. It's impressive, George. Yeah, it is. It must be. I hope you never move from different places. Yes, yes. A lot of the I have not moved since most of it came here. I'm like the idea of moving at all is daunting. Yeah. As you guys say that you can see my image.

00:59:14.680 --> 00:59:44.620
behind my head right now. So yeah, I've got at least that many CDs, possibly more CD side. Yeah. I moved my stuff from Chicago to Hawaii and back to Chicago and it was not fun. I've got boxes of cassettes still. Oh, I so glad I, and I, God, I remember they first started coming out and I didn't get that many. I probably had about maybe 20 or 30 max. That was it. Oh, I've got at least 600. You know what? The whole pencil thing really,

00:59:46.580 --> 01:00:14.340
Yeah, but in the early 80s when I got into music, it's not like there was an option. You know what I had a lot of? I had a lot of mixtapes that I made. Yeah. That was the best thing. You get the dual cassette and you would just dub albums. It's like the Napster of the 80s. The speed dub on those things? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. All right. We're moving on? Yep. Let's move on.

01:00:14.680 --> 01:00:44.100
All right. I want to just give a quick update before we do t-shirt and beer check. I've been complaining about this for about a year and a half now. And I have finally received my heavies headphones that I backed on Kickstarter or whatever it was. And it was a Kickstarter. Okay. Yeah. And, uh, you know, heavy metal themed aimed headphones. And, uh, I got them finally.

01:00:44.680 --> 01:01:13.960
And was it worth the wait? I think it was. They're pretty good. They're physically a little bit bigger, a little heavier than most headphones, Bluetooth wireless headphones. Over the ear. You got to go over the ear. As I was telling the guys beforehand, and I guess it's not going to show up on here, I'm going to put it up to the microphone just in case it comes through my microphone. So I have a pair of Sony headphones.

01:01:14.220 --> 01:01:43.140
And when I turn those on, there's a, I imagine a petite little woman that goes, power on. And then she's like, Bluetooth connected. And then you get this, which I'm going to play it. And then for people, if it doesn't come through. Power on connecting. Hell blocker activated. Connected. No dice. That's very strange.

01:01:43.240 --> 01:02:13.200
because it comes through on the recording it seems but it's this vin diesel like deep heavy voice and it's power activated hell blocker activated hell blocker is it's noise canceling and it's just funny it's almost like stereotypical metal voice but whatever if the headphones aren't good who cares and so i put these on and the first thing i noticed i remember what i put on obviously metal these guys have

01:02:14.760 --> 01:02:43.200
speakers like you normally would in a headphone and then at the front of the cup there's two more speakers so you've got i think there's it says there's eight speakers there's like an up and down normal one on each ear and then two more at the front of the headphone and so you have eight speakers overall and it makes for an amazing stereo field so if you're listening to an album that's properly mixed with

01:02:43.540 --> 01:02:45.140
where they should be.

01:02:46.300 --> 01:02:49.340
It's like you're in this big wide room of music.

01:02:50.660 --> 01:02:53.740
And I complain a lot about production on albums.

01:02:54.860 --> 01:02:55.440
Not really.

01:02:56.260 --> 01:02:56.920
Me now.

01:02:58.180 --> 01:02:59.220
Every cast.

01:02:59.440 --> 01:02:59.640
Yeah.

01:02:59.860 --> 01:03:00.980
Well, production.

01:03:01.320 --> 01:03:04.760
I've found that things are not as bad with these headphones.

01:03:05.370 --> 01:03:08.120
If it's properly mixed, like the new two mold is a great example.

01:03:08.740 --> 01:03:09.400
I like two mold.

01:03:09.400 --> 01:03:10.340
I've always liked two mold.

01:03:12.040 --> 01:03:14.280
because of the stereo separation,

01:03:15.540 --> 01:03:19.560
you've got music that goes around the sides of your headphones,

01:03:20.080 --> 01:03:20.540
stereo field,

01:03:20.650 --> 01:03:25.280
and the vocals are right in the middle and they've got space and you can hear them.

01:03:25.610 --> 01:03:27.320
And there's so much separation in these headphones.

01:03:27.560 --> 01:03:28.760
That is what I like about these headphones.

01:03:29.000 --> 01:03:31.180
It's the separation you get from all the different tracks.

01:03:32.120 --> 01:03:35.000
You can hear everything in its place where it belongs.

01:03:36.340 --> 01:03:38.820
And I think it would be really good for Ed's album.

01:03:39.180 --> 01:03:39.260
Actually,

01:03:39.600 --> 01:04:08.860
Actually, I did listen to it on there, and it sounded good. Nice. Awesome. We'll do an Atmos mix and send that your way for testing. Okay. Yeah, the 5.1s are pretty, it's pretty popular right now. I don't know if you guys heard about the 5.1 mixes that are just like all the rage at this moment. Yeah. Maybe those eight speakers are actually going to create this like ambience thing. I think it would, yeah. Yeah, I've gotten used to it. Like when I first put them on, I was like, wow, this is different.

01:04:09.220 --> 01:04:10.420
It's clearly different.

01:04:11.380 --> 01:04:13.140
But I've been listening to it for a month now.

01:04:13.230 --> 01:04:15.580
And so now I'm like, yeah, this is what music sounds like.

01:04:16.480 --> 01:04:22.600
But when I go back to my other headphones, I'm like, wow, everything sounds so flat and not multidimensional.

01:04:23.320 --> 01:04:23.640
This is.

01:04:25.339 --> 01:04:27.840
So I hope you'll like some, Marcuson.

01:04:28.360 --> 01:04:30.620
It's time today, so I'm going to listen to it tonight.

01:04:31.000 --> 01:04:31.320
I have noticed.

01:04:31.320 --> 01:04:34.020
I'm going to do two mold and I'm going to do freaking anchor it.

01:04:34.300 --> 01:04:34.440
Yeah.

01:04:34.440 --> 01:04:35.420
Those are the two albums that I play tonight.

01:04:35.540 --> 01:04:42.920
I have noticed that some non-metal music sounds flat because it's probably just not mixed the same.

01:04:43.380 --> 01:04:44.380
Well, they're made for metal.

01:04:44.720 --> 01:04:46.040
And they are made for metal.

01:04:46.160 --> 01:04:50.520
Did they say anything about how many hours you need to put in to break the speakers in?

01:04:51.340 --> 01:04:51.720
They didn't.

01:04:51.980 --> 01:04:53.040
If they did, I didn't notice.

01:04:53.420 --> 01:04:53.580
Okay.

01:04:53.780 --> 01:04:58.140
Because usually you have to put in a significant amount of time to get everything.

01:04:58.440 --> 01:04:58.600
Yeah.

01:04:58.700 --> 01:04:58.820
Yeah.

01:04:59.240 --> 01:04:59.540
Set.

01:04:59.660 --> 01:05:03.640
Usually a hundred hours is usually a good spot where you can tell then at that point,

01:05:03.780 --> 01:05:33.600
If they sound amazing, then you've got yourself a prime piece of cans on your head. I'm sold. I got to get them, so I'll get with you later about ordering. I'll just go to the site and get them. I actually think the first album was horrendous. That's pretty funny. I was just like, oh my god, I'm a month. That's a good one. There's a lot going on. Cool. My opinion, Heavies, thumbs up. Did Heavies pay you to do this? I know they should.

01:05:33.780 --> 01:06:03.600
Right? Jay's not here, so somebody's got to pick up the slack for the heaviestheadphones.com. But yeah, no, for sure. I'm like, I waited a year and a half to get these freaking things. They should have been paying me to do this. Yeah. George had to talk about it. I know. That's the funny thing. I'm going to order mine and get mine in two weeks. You guys are going to be like, fuck you. Nah, you're going to wait another year. I actually sent him a message maybe five days ago because George got his. It's at least a month and a half. Yeah. And I was like,

01:06:04.180 --> 01:06:33.720
You told me that you were going to ship these soon because I got a notification saying they were going to ship it. Are you going to send them? And then they sent me a thing back saying, yeah, blah, blah, blah. Just standard. Yeah. Yeah. We're working on it. Yeah. I got them. I got a shipping notification through USPS saying we've received information about this, but we haven't received it yet, but we have a tracking number and that's about it. I don't mind waiting. It just seemed like a really long time. Then they had problems with the pack.

01:06:33.780 --> 01:06:34.460
and everything.

01:06:34.820 --> 01:06:36.120
So I'm just happy I got them.

01:06:36.220 --> 01:06:37.300
I can't wait to throw them on.

01:06:37.440 --> 01:06:39.220
I'm sure they're going to be amazing.

01:06:39.620 --> 01:06:52.380
And I'm going to enjoy listening to metal so much more because a lot of the bands that we like that we mentioned just have so much going on in the music that you got to go under the cans to really get everything horrendous.

01:06:52.560 --> 01:06:54.900
Tumor, Anchor, and Alkaloid would be another one.

01:06:54.950 --> 01:07:03.380
Like I want to listen to Alkaloid, even though I'm not as big a fan of Alkaloid as you guys, I would love to listen to that under the headphones because I'm sure I'll appreciate that even more.

01:07:03.420 --> 01:07:04.940
So we'll see.

01:07:05.880 --> 01:07:06.920
We'll see.

01:07:07.940 --> 01:07:08.280
All right.

01:07:08.780 --> 01:07:08.960
Now,

01:07:09.950 --> 01:07:11.120
t-shirt and beer check.

01:07:16.860 --> 01:07:17.120
Ed,

01:07:18.220 --> 01:07:21.680
I believe you're wearing something of a children of bottom type nature.

01:07:22.840 --> 01:07:23.240
I am.

01:07:23.360 --> 01:07:26.400
I'm wearing the hate crew death roll children of bottom shirt.

01:07:26.670 --> 01:07:28.220
I bought in 2004.

01:07:29.140 --> 01:07:30.800
I'll let John do the math.

01:07:30.890 --> 01:07:31.720
I think that's,

01:07:31.860 --> 01:07:32.980
that's what happens on this podcast.

01:07:33.060 --> 01:08:03.040
But I was 15 years old and that was my second show, second metal show. Evergrey was opening up for Children of the Bottom and the headliner was Iced Earth with Tim Ripper Owens on the vocals. I saw them on Hate Crew Death Roll, but I feel like they were opening for somebody else like Niall or something or Demi. I know I was with my sister, so it was either

01:08:03.080 --> 01:08:32.380
It was probably Demu. I bet it was Demu, Children, and somebody else. Like, they were in the middle. Absolutely my favorite Bodum, Hate Crew Death Roll. Love that album. I owe all my guitar skills to it. You know, I picked up a guitar because of it. R.I.P. Lexi. Nice. Are you drinking anything? I am. I'm drinking a, I'll speak in French, Exploration Cosmique from Noctum, which is a brewery.

01:08:33.080 --> 01:09:02.740
here, maybe 20 minutes away from where I live. It has, just to keep the space and the anchor at field to the beer, it has a kitten and a sort of ape in space flying around. It's a double IPA. It's 8%. Nice. And it tastes like beer. Tastes like beer. As it should. That's pretty good. Score. Nice. Markisan. Yeah, so I'm wearing my Danzig,

01:09:04.200 --> 01:09:31.640
Oh, it's backwards. Okay. That's why I was like, that looks like a Danzig shirt. But oh, yeah, I mirrored my thing so I can see myself better, I guess. Maybe I'll switch that. Anyways, I'm going to see Danzig tomorrow at the Aragon Ballroom in Chicago. So they're playing their self-titled debut in full for the 35th anniversary tour. It's crazy. I bought it. It's as old as me.

01:09:32.859 --> 01:10:01.460
I was pushing carts in a Kroger parking lot listening to that album. Studying for a final in college. And I've never seen Dancing. I don't know how, but I haven't seen them. They rarely tour. So I'm pretty excited. And Chicago is actually the last stop on the tour. So I'm hoping maybe they might do something a little special. And the other great thing about it is that the lineup is awesome. It's freaking Behemoth, Midnight, and Twin Temple.

01:10:02.540 --> 01:10:31.700
So it's pretty stacked. You guys heard of Twin Temple? Of course. Satanic doo-wop for listeners who don't know. So I'm excited to see them live because I've seen. It fits with heavy metal Elvis Presley. Yeah, it does. You're right. Genius booking right there. Yeah, it's very good. It's a really good lineup. And so I'm excited about that. And then I am drinking while I finished a beer called Ghost in the Laboratory. Oh, yeah. It's a collaboration.

01:10:32.540 --> 01:11:02.500
and equilibrium. That's right, Matt. Pretty good. Now I'm drinking Anchorage's Furthermore, which is a double-oaked imperial stout with coconut. You should have said Furthermore. I'm drinking Furthermore. Don't edit me. Nevermore. Excuse me, sir. I'm sorry. And it's delicious. I think I've had this one before, but I can't be sure because I've had a lot of Anchorage beers. All right, Matt. Me. I've got my

01:11:02.540 --> 01:11:32.460
That old school death logo t-shirt. Older the goodie. And then I started the night out with, I believe it's this called Hops From Above. It is from Beer Zombies. It is a brewery out in Vegas. It was one of the, it was actually the one brewery that Jay and Sergey and I did not hit while we were there. It is a, what is it? A double dry hop, double hazy IPA. It was good. And now I've moved over to Naturalist Brewing. It's their seventh anniversary beer. It is a barrel-age blended strong ale. They do a lot of strong ale.

01:11:32.520 --> 01:12:02.460
and barley wines, barrel aged, could not be anymore in my wheelhouse. And it's very good. Nice. All right. I'm going to take a few minutes here. All right. First off, George knows this one, my priest firepower tour shirt. Yeah, we were there. And I went and saw them. All right. So I went and hung out with Will today for a little bit. So let me get to those beers first, because those count, because it was a meeting of the minds. They count. You were on the clock. I was on. I've been on the clock.

01:12:02.540 --> 01:12:32.500
since about three or no two. All right. So George will know what this means. So I started out with Tropicalia from Creature Comforts Brewing. They're from Georgia. Creature Comforts and Tropicalia is a right of passage each time I go down to Atlanta for Prague Power. I always have that. And that's a, hold on. I want to get all the details. It's an IPA and it's 6.6 ABV. You can add an extra six if you'd like. That's the first one we had there. Then we got a little nasty and we had rye imperial stout from

01:12:32.520 --> 01:13:02.500
Incendiary Brewing Company. And oh my goodness. It was good. First off, Will Sine goes, ooh, you had me at rye. He and I both love rye and our booze. So it was a big old huge thing. I think it was like 15%. No, it says here 13.6, but the bottle said more than that. It's probably the wrong check-in. All right. Variable. So then I had, remember, we had a golden monkey from Victory, which is a Belgian triple. That's for you, man. I love that one. Bitch. Oh, let's just not

01:13:02.520 --> 01:13:32.280
I had to stop on the triples. Then I had Bold Monk Brewing, which I just picked up down in Atlanta. They are a Belgian brewery that I'd never been to for. And it's a Star Wars themed beer because it's just called The Way. And it's pretty good. It's a typical Belgian, 8.8 percent triple, I should say, not Belgian, but it's nice. And I've got another one lined up here, but we can save that for later. All right. All right. That's quite the day, John. Yeah.

01:13:32.540 --> 01:14:02.280
Well done. Well done, sir. It's not how I planned the day to start, but that's how the day is going to end. It's like a perfect day for you, John. All the beer and all the prog. It's all over the place. It's your day, John. It's special. This is my day. Every day is my day. It's just everyone doesn't like my day sometimes. That's how it plays out. I'm kidding. I'm joking. J's got the day now. J retired. Every day is a J day. Yeah.

01:14:02.540 --> 01:14:32.460
Unfortunately, Jay's probably the only one that's going to get my shirt. I am wearing my Elsinore beer shirt, which anybody know the context there? No, no. Crickets. Wait for it. Is it Lord of the Rings? Elsinore? No. Elsinore Brewery is the brewery from the 80s cult classic movie, Strange Brew. In this wonderful piece of 80s,

01:14:32.520 --> 01:15:02.500
movie magic that if you haven't seen it, you're going to hate it. If you watch it, you had to be there. Two Canadian brothers have accidentally spent all their dad's beer money on donuts, as one does. Oh, this is Canadian. Maybe you'll get this. Actually, you should know this. This is your birthright. I know you weren't born in Canada, but this is a Canadian movie. And so they spent the beer money on donuts. And so their dad's

01:15:02.540 --> 01:15:32.080
Brad expects them to get some more beer with the money he gave them and they're out of money so how are they going to get some beer eh? And so they come upon the plan of going to the local Elsinore Brewery where the beer that they drink is made and they take a bottle and put a mouse in the bottle and say hey we found this mouse in this bottle of beer give us free beer. And from there the movie spirals out of control into this down this rabbit hole of adventure that they rarely comprehend but. Yes.

01:15:32.340 --> 01:16:01.540
And this movie was like a big part of my younger childhood, like seventh grade. You have to be in seventh grade to truly appreciate this movie. Prime beer drinking age. And yeah, exactly. The last time I went out on Halloween, I was one of the McKenzie brothers. Me and a friend of mine, we dressed up in heavy jackets and knit hats. And my dad drinks Molson and gave us the bottle so we could put a mouse, rubber mouse in the bottle and walk around and nobody knew who the hell we were.

01:16:02.980 --> 01:16:32.320
Anyway, I saw this shirt. I was like, Elsinore Brewery. I'm getting this. Oh, yeah. Nice. As far as beer goes, I started with something that Nick, our friend and listener Nick, sent me. This is from Barn Town Brewing, which I'm guessing is in Iowa or nearby there. And this is a barrel-aged cicada killer imperial stout with salted caramel marshmallow browns.

01:16:33.420 --> 01:16:59.240
What? Kill anything. Nick likes his stouts and porters and such. He sent me a peanut butter one last time. Peanut butter and jelly one, if you recall. That was amazing. I drank this one because we are currently experiencing cicadas here. Me too. They're everywhere, man. It's insane. So, cicada killer. I moved on from there to something that I picked up entirely because I know Matt.

01:17:00.600 --> 01:17:29.740
And this is Old Mother Brewing, which is local to me here in Frederick. And it's called Coldy Scheisse. And it's a cold IPA with German aroma hops. Coldy Scheisse. So it's cold shit. And that's what I'm drinking now. Cheers to you for that, George. Just real quick, I broke up in a zombie dust because that's traditional for me. John, can we?

01:17:30.600 --> 01:18:00.500
All right. Now it's time for the news. First news item. Inter Arma are working on their first new album since 2019's Sulfur English. Has it been that long? Time goes by really fast, particularly when you have a pandemic. I thought that too.

01:18:00.580 --> 01:18:02.420
It doesn't feel like it

01:18:03.260 --> 01:18:06.180
But yes, so I am definitely looking forward to

01:18:07.420 --> 01:18:10.340
Just to add some context to that

01:18:10.450 --> 01:18:11.640
That album came out

01:18:12.660 --> 01:18:14.260
Around the same time as the famous

01:18:14.500 --> 01:18:14.900
Mosh Pit

01:18:15.300 --> 01:18:16.700
I was just thinking that's when

01:18:17.580 --> 01:18:18.400
Will's album

01:18:20.260 --> 01:18:22.240
Will basically bought beers for

01:18:22.540 --> 01:18:23.460
Everybody at the venue

01:18:23.630 --> 01:18:25.000
And that was in the middle of the pit

01:18:25.340 --> 01:18:26.620
And then it turned into a shit storm

01:18:27.460 --> 01:18:29.980
And James knocked him down

01:18:29.980 --> 01:18:59.920
and broke him. That's right. Came out of nowhere like a lightning bolt. Yes. So in this news item, I read that in April they talked about they had some setbacks with the new record. Yeah, they like threw away half an album. Yeah, threw away half the album because they didn't think it was good enough. And they're around like their third bass player now. And I contributed to why it took long. I don't think it's actually that long. Four years. No, not really. Not today. They're like a two year term.

01:19:00.120 --> 01:19:05.100
is my preferred four years ain't that bad for most bands no it's like the Metallica schedule

01:19:06.000 --> 01:19:13.360
is Metallica four years or yeah it's more like five six seven it keeps growing not that I keep tabs on

01:19:13.520 --> 01:19:29.400
Metallica much anymore I know you do George I do Marcus you bring up an interesting thing real quick I won't waste much time but I wish bands wouldn't throw away material I wish they would shelf it because you never know they might come back to it and pull something off of that material

01:19:29.420 --> 01:19:58.860
that would work for something else. Like Ed was talking about, he's got extra material. Who knows? It bums me out to hear that they did that. Because Ed, you mentioned Watershed, and Mike from Opeth, he dumped Watershed too. He got rid of the whole thing. Yeah. In fairness, John, they said they axed it. It doesn't mean they threw it away completely. Oh, okay, yeah, I was going to say. He said they axed it, but it doesn't mean they actually got rid of the files or whatever. Because you never know. Maybe they'll come back to it. You never know. Shit, if you're a Van Halen fan,

01:19:59.420 --> 01:20:29.200
Almost all that shit on their first three albums and a little bit on the fourth was all written 10 years before. So you can use it still. Anyway, I won't belabor. And to be honest, most bands probably throw away half an album worth of stuff. You have like maybe 15 songs and you just choose maybe nine good ones. And a good album is like a piece of art that represents that moment of time. It's a flag that represents that. You at that moment.

01:20:29.420 --> 01:20:29.640
of time.

01:20:29.770 --> 01:20:36.360
So it takes balls to throw away half an album and to state it openly on social media.

01:20:36.690 --> 01:20:37.920
Honestly, I respect that.

01:20:38.270 --> 01:20:41.280
If they felt that they needed to throw that away, I agree with them.

01:20:42.060 --> 01:20:43.640
That's the decision that they made.

01:20:44.500 --> 01:20:46.080
Or it happens all the time creatively.

01:20:46.620 --> 01:20:51.200
When I'm writing comics, I have billions of ideas and sometimes they just don't go anywhere

01:20:51.560 --> 01:20:52.440
and I just shelve them.

01:20:52.490 --> 01:20:57.520
But maybe I come back to them and then I put them into a different comic or I cannibalize

01:20:57.540 --> 01:21:25.020
something that didn't work before. Put it in something new. So this is how it works. Cause you just creatively, you just, you're always thinking of something. It doesn't mean it's going to work. Or you hold onto them and release a compilation album five years later from all the different albums. Then that way it doesn't have to flow. It scares our extra checks. Cause our fans are awesome. Yeah. It might also feel like, you know,

01:21:28.080 --> 01:21:29.380
A Live 12.

01:21:30.000 --> 01:21:30.740
It has to be.

01:21:31.060 --> 01:21:31.960
You have to be careful.

01:21:32.180 --> 01:21:33.740
Here's all the stuff that we're not,

01:21:34.020 --> 01:21:34.940
we don't think it's good,

01:21:35.000 --> 01:21:37.020
but the label's running after our asses to release.

01:21:37.160 --> 01:21:38.160
Yeah, so here you go.

01:21:38.780 --> 01:21:42.520
Three sides live and then a studio version after that.

01:21:42.840 --> 01:21:42.940
Yeah.

01:21:43.520 --> 01:21:43.680
Yeah.

01:21:44.020 --> 01:21:47.680
Yeah, there are times when you don't want to do that, for sure.

01:21:48.700 --> 01:21:50.300
All right, so next up,

01:21:51.420 --> 01:21:55.900
Aranci Pazuzu is also working on the follow-up to their last album from 2020.

01:21:57.180 --> 01:22:27.140
It's only been a couple of years, but damn, am I ready for more Ronzi Pazuzu. Yes, and tour with her in this so Warren and I could man hug at the show and have a good time. We had such a good time at the show. Bastards. It was one of the best live shows I've seen. Oh, the one you and I saw, George. Holy shit, that was amazing. Yeah. I mean, we have people, friends of my member coming up to me like, what did I just see? I'm like, I told you. Their music videos, honestly, are probably some of the greatest

01:22:27.180 --> 01:22:56.600
The greatest music videos I've seen, honestly. That's a huge inspiration for me. Thanks. I also felt like they did a good live stream during the beginning of the pandemic. They did, early on. So good. So good. We got Waste of Space Orchestra. Yeah. Which was them, and was it Dark Buddha? Buddha, yeah. But I'm ready. Yeah, let's do it. Time. Let's go. Bring it. All right. Hopefully we'll be hearing about that on our next mid-year.

01:22:57.160 --> 01:23:24.140
I'm guessing maybe. Yeah. All right. So Decibel is releasing a book on producer Scott Burns called the Scott Burns Sessions, a life in death metal, 1987 to 1997. Scott Burns, of course, down there in Florida with more sound studios doing all the cannibal corpse obituary, all that good stuff from the late eighties to the late nineties. Yeah. Yeah.

01:23:27.180 --> 01:23:52.880
He worked with Sid. Did you say Napalm Death? They're not Florida. Are they Morse Hound? They might be. Yeah. Funny fact is that he came out of retirement for a new album that just came out, Tilted Dirt. Oh, did he do that? Yeah. He produced that. He came, yeah. Oh, wow. Isn't that on our list? It is. It is on our new releases, yes. That's the guy from Atheist. Kelly Schaefer. Yep. I'll check it out.

01:23:57.780 --> 01:24:25.960
The book says that it looks at over 100 extreme metal albums by nearly 70 bands that are recorded. Yeah, that's a lot of work in 10 years. Yeah. Once it became a thing, he was probably just like cranking them out. Yeah, you know, print that money. D. Allen Parsons of death metal. Yeah. This ain't no Fleetwood Mac album. It ain't taken two years to make this thing. And Decibel does a nice job with her books. I've got several of them.

01:24:27.180 --> 01:24:56.940
I almost ordered it. I'm like, eh, I'm going to hold off because I have so many books I have to get to at this point. But sometimes it's in the danger zone of selling out, but they haven't in a while. Like, I think they've printed enough. They're good about giving you the warning, too, when you're getting close. Yeah. So I definitely want to read this one, though. I do, too. All right. Last news item. Imperial Triumphant covers Rush's Jacob's Ladder. I was telling the guys before we started, I meant to listen to this, so I don't know what this sounds like.

01:24:56.980 --> 01:25:26.600
Did anybody listen to it? Oh, I did. I did too. And? Go ahead, John. Obviously, I don't want them to cover the song exactly the same. However, I thought the instrumentation parts were cool because they were a little different. Still sound like the song. Man, that first vocal section, I was like, oh, come on. Fuck. And it just, it didn't do anything for me.

01:25:26.680 --> 01:25:55.480
And I guess it's unfair for me to think of covering Rush. And was it Allegiant did subdivisions? Yeah, that was good. It did such a good version, even with the harsh vocals. It still was so good. And so I it's cool that they did this. I'm glad they did. I'm glad to see extreme metal bands covering a band like Rush, because that means that a band like Rush is part of their DNA to some degree. Just the harsh vocal part did not sound like.

01:25:56.700 --> 01:26:25.680
the song itself. I couldn't pick up the parts until they went to the instrumentation after that. Yeah, for me, it's actually my favorite thing they've ever done. I just, their music, I can't get into. It's just too avant-garde for me. And we saw them live and I checked out basically for that. But so the cover, like I would, you're right, Jeff, you listened to the beginning, you wouldn't even know it's like a Rush cover at all. The beginning's actually cool. It's very dark and ominous. It is cool. I like it.

01:26:26.040 --> 01:26:55.700
A little down tuned and everything. Yeah. But that first, the first vocal lyric, I just like, ah, and after that, it's great. It's fine. Even the second towards the backside of the song is fine. I just, the first one I didn't like that much. So. Yeah. I mean, I clearly the band has a high level of musicianship. I like that. They love rush and they want to cover it. I think it shows off what makes Imperial triumphant a unique band, but I think having the structure of a cover like this,

01:26:56.060 --> 01:26:58.120
helped focus it a little bit more for me.

01:26:58.570 --> 01:27:03.460
And that's what I think I liked more about this song than their original stuff.

01:27:04.030 --> 01:27:06.040
Because I just haven't been able to get into that band at all.

01:27:06.110 --> 01:27:06.880
I just don't get it.

01:27:06.950 --> 01:27:07.220
I know.

01:27:07.440 --> 01:27:09.320
Everything about that band says I want to like them.

01:27:11.160 --> 01:27:16.060
And I was glad I got to see them for, I think, George, you and I watched them for about three or four songs.

01:27:16.320 --> 01:27:16.540
Yeah.

01:27:16.860 --> 01:27:17.760
I wanted to see them.

01:27:18.000 --> 01:27:18.900
And they are.

01:27:19.000 --> 01:27:19.800
They're great musicians.

01:27:20.260 --> 01:27:20.920
That's obvious.

01:27:21.440 --> 01:27:21.580
Yep.

01:27:21.620 --> 01:27:49.400
But I love, I'm not a jazz fan, but I like Fusion, which is a little more rock version of jazz, I guess you can say that. They just don't grab me as much. I really want to. I love the whole aesthetic. I love the artwork. I love the theme that they're going with. It's just, I can't. It's an original kind of spin on avant-garde music. I love the spirit of ecstasy. I love that style of music. It really pushes boundaries.

01:27:54.360 --> 01:28:21.600
I needed that Moog solo. That's the whole spirit of that song. I was expecting maybe a solo, maybe bring in maybe, I don't know, saxophone. Why not? Then it'll be a 10 on 10. Something to cover it. Yeah, I agree. It's like everything must have saxophone. Yeah, 10, no saxophone, 10 on 10 has saxophone. Yeah, could have been a dude on a xylophone just as long as you're playing that part. Yeah, I know. And Rush is just

01:28:21.620 --> 01:28:51.600
a hard bandit cover because come on it's rush you know my joke right Markisan a legion it took five guys to play with three guys can play and the three guys still sound better and that's no slack or pulling shade on a legion they did an amazing cover and i i bitch about covers i'm not a big covers fan and i thought their cover was outstanding because they treated it with respect and i'm not saying in imperial tribe didn't i think they did i think they just did it their way and i agree they are definitely an

01:28:51.620 --> 01:28:56.060
because avant-garde is the thrown around statement now most bands they say oh

01:28:56.060 --> 01:29:02.340
they're avant-garde no not anymore if the dictionary said avant-garde they'd have a picture of

01:29:02.520 --> 01:29:07.340
imperial triumph that that should like gorgats or something but most bands now when they play this

01:29:07.340 --> 01:29:10.500
way they're not avant-garde anymore now they're just extreme because they're not doing anything that's

01:29:10.660 --> 01:29:15.420
different they're just doing what somebody else has done but i'm glad they they tried and they have a

01:29:15.440 --> 01:29:19.400
lot of fans that seem to love it so that's all that matters no and that is all that matters we just

01:29:19.420 --> 01:29:40.880
I just haven't figured it out yet. Not yet. That's the way I look at it. I used to say, oh, I hate this band. I hate that band. That's why there's so many bands. I just haven't figured it out. That's cool. Good for them for doing it. It takes balls to cover a band like that. It really does, yeah. Big balls. Big Jacob balls. All right. Let's move on to new releases.

01:29:51.120 --> 01:30:18.680
First up, the new Alkaloid album, Newman. Their third album, German Prog Death Band. I like Old Men better. Oh, man. I just think of Seinfeld every time I hear that, though. Oh, I do, too. That's why it's like Newman. Hello, Newman. But yeah, so this just came out yesterday. What a day yesterday. Wow. It feels like it's been like a few days, but it's only yesterday.

01:30:19.400 --> 01:30:49.380
I know. And I don't know. John's our resident Alkaloid fan. I like Alkaloid as well. But I did make the statement one album to rule all with their last album. I love Alkaloid. I do not think this is as technical as people are saying it is. I think they actually hold back on this album because it is way more accessible than their other albums. It is definitely more accessible. But that said, it's still technical, but it's not to me. It's not as overbearing. I'm not a huge tech death

01:30:53.040 --> 01:31:19.380
I like some bands like obviously I love Gorod I think they're great but again and I think Markisan you and I were going on about the new album this year the orb yeah yeah they're technical but they're not technical for the sake of technical I thought I really felt Alkali help back in this album to be honest with you but it gets a win every time because Hannes Grossman's on drums and he's just a fucking god so I like it was awesome on

01:31:19.420 --> 01:31:19.880
this podcast.

01:31:21.940 --> 01:31:22.540
It's actually,

01:31:22.840 --> 01:31:23.340
it's not honest.

01:31:23.620 --> 01:31:24.880
It's key for Southern one,

01:31:25.250 --> 01:31:25.980
but let's get,

01:31:26.030 --> 01:31:27.440
you are listening to the,

01:31:28.260 --> 01:31:32.080
he did an impression on the Jack Bauer.

01:31:32.640 --> 01:31:32.800
Yeah.

01:31:33.240 --> 01:31:34.240
I didn't even have to ask him.

01:31:34.240 --> 01:31:34.520
He just,

01:31:34.890 --> 01:31:35.740
he went right into it.

01:31:36.080 --> 01:31:36.460
It was great.

01:31:36.880 --> 01:31:37.300
It was great.

01:31:37.500 --> 01:31:37.780
I agree.

01:31:38.320 --> 01:31:38.600
But this,

01:31:38.780 --> 01:31:39.340
I told George,

01:31:39.540 --> 01:31:40.580
this is a lot to listen.

01:31:40.820 --> 01:31:41.200
This is a,

01:31:41.540 --> 01:31:42.340
it's a long album.

01:31:42.440 --> 01:31:43.320
It's longer than it should be.

01:31:43.500 --> 01:31:44.020
That's for sure.

01:31:44.160 --> 01:31:45.020
Hour and 10 minutes.

01:31:45.620 --> 01:31:45.700
Hey,

01:31:45.740 --> 01:31:46.800
it's a double album too.

01:31:47.140 --> 01:31:47.280
Yeah.

01:31:47.400 --> 01:31:48.620
It should be trimmed down a little bit,

01:31:48.700 --> 01:32:18.660
But I liked it, but I need way more time with it still. It wasn't an immediate listen. Some songs are. Some songs will take some time. The musicianship is just off the charts. They're all great musicians, so I'm just glad they did something. Yeah, I've gotten through it once, and I've got to say it's a grower, not a shower, I think. I agree. I didn't dislike anything that I heard, but I didn't necessarily comprehend and appreciate

01:32:19.380 --> 01:32:48.460
everything I heard. There were two tracks that stood out to me that I liked. A Fool's Desire and the title track, Newman, were like, wow. And the last track as well. There are some Morbid Angel riffs in there still. They still throw them in, but they don't, not as obvious this time. There's some big riffs in there, but at the same time, it's way more accessible, which is weird to say, because I thought the last album was fairly accessible. I mean, you sent me a message when Liquid Anatomy came out, and you're like, I don't know, maybe it's me, but I'm hearing 90125 from Yes on this.

01:32:48.680 --> 01:33:18.540
I'm like you're full of shit. I listen to it. First message like holy shit that's owner of Lonely Hearts. Yeah. Then we asked him he's oh yeah we did that. I was like oh son of a bitch they did. That's strange. This band is just tough for me to get into just because they have a lot of surprising changes that come out of nowhere to me. They got the kitchen sink. Yeah they do. I was gonna say that. It's different than Ed's album where it's more disjointed. I'm always like what the like that's how I feel like. There's a lot of surprise moments on the album.

01:33:19.380 --> 01:33:48.660
Yeah. Yeah. And I don't, I'm just not, no, sometimes John, I hear that and I'm like, that's really fun, interesting, refreshing. But then most of the time I'm listening, I mean, I just wish it was a little more cohesive that it flowed a little bit better. And that's just my taste though. Obviously they have a high level of musicianship. The musical gymnastics are insane. Oh yeah. They schooled me a hundred percent. Yeah. But it's just, I don't know if I can listen to this more

01:33:48.720 --> 01:34:18.040
than one time. So I am going to go back to it, try to listen to it again. You might have to piecemeal a song or two here and there and see, maybe it starts gelling. If it doesn't, you know, whatever. These are guys that were associated with Obscura. But I think they're, although Obscura is kind of controlled now compared to what they were early on. It has a lot of Obsidious, a lot of Obscura, obviously. But honestly, I thought it had an ebb and flow that was, compared to the previous work, a little bit more. Catcher songs, catcher,

01:34:20.640 --> 01:34:48.660
I agree with that and I felt that it was more of an ebb and flow to the music. Marcus and you say that there were like surprises and changes but I don't know man they've played with dynamics a lot and I gotta say this like I usually notice right away right from the bat if the recording if the mastering is good if the recording is good is production good the songs were so powerful they're so good from the get-go it took me at least four tracks until I was like oh my god this sounds amazing. I didn't even know

01:34:48.720 --> 01:35:18.640
how good the whole recording was until like the fourth song and honestly this is amazing an amazing album a 10 out of 10 for me it might be a tad too long but i did listen to it i did go through it twice and both times i stopped in the middle because i knew it was a double album and that's the way i consumed it and that helped it a little bit honestly i love lovecraft but i feel like it has no place here kind of thing because it finds i find it extremely funny that the music

01:35:18.680 --> 01:35:48.640
It's so serious and so good. And then the lyrics spew out like shades of Shubh Nigarath. And it makes me laugh and make me go out of my bubble. But I would go like, first time I listened to it, I went through the first three songs and Clusterfuck I listened because it was one of the singles. And I said, okay, I gotta start over again because it was just so good, those three songs. But it does lose momentum. So taking breaks within the album to me helped me better consume

01:35:49.240 --> 01:36:14.780
Kudos to those guys too. It's a 2496. Yeah. Black file. It's huge. It's I think 1.5 gigs the album. So yeah, I can't wait. And I don't have, I can't wait to get that. So you guys, when you listen to them on those headphones, you're going to pick up on stuff that probably we're not even getting on regular headphones. Normal humans can't even process it. That's the best.

01:36:18.680 --> 01:36:45.680
But yeah, I get all your points definitely. They're just not my kind of favorite band. I love their musicianship, but I don't know. It's just shocking to me. I'll hear something like, where is this going? I don't like that in music very much. There's been easily some of the best musicians in the world across the board easily. To be able to do that, yes. And the lead singer, I'm bringing it back, is from Dork Fartress.

01:36:48.660 --> 01:37:18.640
I will say as not the prog aficionado on the podcast, I am the new metal aficionado. If you have any questions, bitchy matt at bitchy matt.com. I'm working on it. I really dug this. I really dug this album. I'm actually excited to listen to it again. And now I have to order these damn headphones. So I'll join you in this. In a year and a half. Coupon for $40 off. Matt, can you send me that coupon too? Yes. Because you need the nookie on there, Matt, as the

01:37:18.680 --> 01:37:48.600
New Metal Aficionado. It helps. $3 bills, y'all. Okay. He did it all for the Snuggie. No, he's graduated. I have. We got a new one. We do. It's the full body anxiety. What is it called again, Matt? The shit, I can't remember. I'll find it here. Go on, George. It doesn't roll off the tongue like a Snuggie. No, it does. I just can't. I'm like five beers in, man. Come on. All right. All right. Only five, John? I heard about 17 beers that you rattled off earlier. All right, fine.

01:37:48.680 --> 01:38:17.460
Markisan. Oh, go for the R tapped. I stopped you on an untapped. I'll do that. Hey, dude, are you at a show with TR right now in some foreign city? Are you in Georgia right now? I'm going to have to listen to this again because Ed's giving it 10 out of 10. I got to go back to it. Oh, yeah. Back to school for you. Matt has graduated to the hug, sleep, swaddle blanket for adults. Gotcha. By joking, it's a real thing, man.

01:38:17.840 --> 01:38:20.280
We like to be warm.

01:38:20.480 --> 01:38:21.000
All right.

01:38:21.170 --> 01:38:21.340
All right.

01:38:21.410 --> 01:38:26.480
So our next album is the new God Thrym album, Distortions.

01:38:26.640 --> 01:38:29.000
It's their second album, UK Epic Doom.

01:38:30.480 --> 01:38:32.360
Any lovers of God Thrym out there?

01:38:32.920 --> 01:38:33.360
Yeah, I like them.

01:38:33.820 --> 01:38:34.800
I thought this was a good album.

01:38:35.880 --> 01:38:36.540
It's Epic Doom.

01:38:36.680 --> 01:38:38.780
It's a couple guys from My Dying Bride, isn't it?

01:38:39.960 --> 01:38:40.320
Hamish.

01:38:40.730 --> 01:38:41.560
Oh, is there a Hamish?

01:38:41.750 --> 01:38:41.840
Okay.

01:38:42.260 --> 01:38:43.400
Sean Steele's the drummer.

01:38:44.180 --> 01:38:44.720
I thought it was good.

01:38:44.830 --> 01:38:45.280
I like it.

01:38:45.370 --> 01:38:47.060
If you like it, this is, you know me,

01:38:47.140 --> 01:39:17.100
I don't have to talk about doom in a long time and this year I'm listening to all kinds of doom not death doom decibel James not James no death doom on here nope however I do believe I do believe James likes God through doesn't he I think oh yeah I mean decibel put out the album so they must like them no but I thought that he because he's not a big doom fan I thought but I thought he liked the first album a lot I feel like it was they've done vinyl for both of them so I think they're big fans I think it's well that would be Albert though it doesn't mean James is oh no but I remember him being

01:39:17.120 --> 01:39:46.940
on the podcast. I think you're right. I think he talked about it. He talked about it. He was shocked that I had it so low or I didn't have it on the list. So I think it's a good album. I like it. I didn't care for the last one much. Not that I didn't like it. I just didn't. Didn't grab me as much. Didn't grab me. And this one didn't grab me either. However, I put on the headphones, the magic headphones, and I was like, all right, I need to listen to it more. I need to be in the mood for it. Yeah. I have previously,

01:39:47.120 --> 01:40:17.080
been a huge fan of doom music it's just not where my head and heart is right now giving it a good listen with these headphones i was like all right i understand why people like this it's quality it's not junk oh it sounds fantastic yeah it does it's a new band for me but it i i just couldn't stop comparing it to paradise lost even the production and the vocals and i grew up with paradise lost so i'd rather listen to that and it also it was like paradise lost singer with i don't know like pallbearer

01:40:17.100 --> 01:40:18.480
Yeah, they're thrown in together.

01:40:18.740 --> 01:40:19.100
Yeah, they're thrown in together.

01:40:19.560 --> 01:40:27.180
And sometimes when a band reminds me too much of someone else, I'd rather go listen to that someone else, unfortunately.

01:40:27.660 --> 01:40:29.040
And that's the effect that I got.

01:40:29.240 --> 01:40:31.460
However, the production, I'm extremely jealous.

01:40:31.680 --> 01:40:32.260
It's so good.

01:40:32.360 --> 01:40:32.820
It's big.

01:40:32.900 --> 01:40:33.320
It's heavy.

01:40:34.180 --> 01:40:36.860
It's not muddy, which is slick, but clean.

01:40:37.260 --> 01:40:39.080
And usually it's a little muddy.

01:40:39.080 --> 01:40:43.380
For example, what we talked about, the Inter Arma.

01:40:43.380 --> 01:41:12.160
And I remember not getting into Inter Arma back in when it came out. Actually, I just learned about the Prince cover and I'm not a big cover person, but I couldn't get into that band, unfortunately, because of the production. It's so muddy to me. That is exactly the path that I was on. I was like, Inter Arma, eh, the production sucks. But then I saw them live and I got it. I was like, oh my God, this is an instance where the live band is better than the recording.

01:41:13.380 --> 01:41:42.220
Yeah, I didn't like the Sulphur English as much as the previous record. I really liked the one before that. I thought this is a good slab of epic doom. I love doom, but I like, I guess, dirtier, more atmospheric, like growled vocals in my doom. I don't, I'm not like the clean version as much. This is a pretty long album too. I think it could be a little bit shorter, but it's quality all the way through. I think it's an, I liked the first album.

01:41:42.480 --> 01:42:12.460
I thought this was an improvement on it I think it has a lot more layering to it it has more atmosphere than the first record so I like it I just when I listen to doom I want it to be a little bit dirtier I want it to be a little bit more evil that's how I like how I like doom I don't want the clean versions it's interesting because this is definitely it's still doom but it's nothing like my dying bride this is more like candle mass from the 80s almost absolutely yeah but not that they sound like candle mass it's just

01:42:12.480 --> 01:42:41.740
in that epic doom realm. With that Paul Bearer influence that Adam is talking about. Yeah, I can hear that. Yep. Cool. All right. So next up, we have a band that more than lives up to their name. Horrendous. Ontological Mysterium is not horrendous. It is actually really good. So good, in fact, that for the second time in the 10-year history of the Metalheads podcast,

01:42:42.260 --> 01:43:11.640
We have a consensus on the album of the month. And six votes for horrendous is the album of the month for August. So what can I say? Because it's a little progress and even he's on board. He wasn't sure at first. He wasn't sure at first. He doubted. We listened to it today together for a little bit. I was like, this album is just so deep. Honestly, I was never really a fan until this album. Oh, really? What? Nope.

01:43:12.280 --> 01:43:40.980
I've met them and I've seen them several times. I've been like, yeah, it's all right. I think this is their best album. But this is amazing. So I loved Idol too. I thought that was great. Which John, what I find interesting is that I did not realize that the greater majority of people don't like Idol. And I thought Idol was a masterpiece. I think it's amazing. I thought it was by far their best album. This one could top that. Oh, I think it's this one's better. I think.

01:43:41.040 --> 01:44:11.020
And even they thought Idol was not their best album. But yeah, I literally thought Idol was amazing. I liked Idol. It didn't make my list. And the other horrendous albums did. And the reason was I just felt like there wasn't enough riffs to grab onto. So it just didn't, it was like on my honor roll mentions, I think, that year when we did it. But this one, and it's so rare that we agree on a record like this. And it's funny because John sends me a message. He's like, oh, do you want to do it?

01:44:11.060 --> 01:44:40.720
I want to write something about this because we're all on it. We probably should have something. I wanted something special for it. And I had already started writing it. So I'll read what I wrote because it encapsulates what it is. So, and so the pentagrams have aligned once more for only the second time in the metal heads podcast history. All six of us have chosen the same album of the month. Horrendous ontological Mysterium is our unified selection for August.

01:44:41.060 --> 01:45:11.020
This great conjunction only occurs when an album is special. An ontological mysterium is certainly that. Five years after their last record, Horrendous have delivered a triumphant work that surprises and dazzles with its eclectic mix of ferocious death and anthemic prog sorcery. Its 38 minutes of incendiary riffs, dynamic rhythms, exciting and unexpected vocal variations, and shape-shifting song structures

01:45:11.060 --> 01:45:40.420
Leave us breathless after every listen. Ontological Mysterium is daring and unique. It's brilliantly forged. It's essential. So good. I love it. I feel honored being here, listening to that. That's amazing. I feel like we need a Clint Eastwood on a set. It's just like, and we're done. If you'd ask me to write anything about it, I'll probably say, I can't believe this isn't bother, butter being death.

01:45:41.060 --> 01:46:10.920
So I can't believe this is like a long loss death album. It's amazing. I've never I've discovered the band with this release and it blew me away. Nice. At 38 minutes to you. I think it's been polished. I'm pretty sure it probably was like over an hour long and they're like, yeah, let's lose that. Let's lose that. Let's keep focusing on the good stuff. And they did. And we love that. And they still do very prog elements. This song that's just very progressive in it, but it works perfectly right in the middle of the album. And it's so brittle in section.

01:46:11.040 --> 01:46:40.980
They're still a death metal band. And that's... I don't lose sight of what made them a great death metal band. And they were smart, keeping it close to 40 minutes. I love it. So this kind of music, that's the attention span works with that. And you can do a lot with it. And you can get X number of songs and it works. And you know, what I find really fascinating right now is that Tumult Planetary Clairvoyance was our July 2019 album of the month.

01:46:41.020 --> 01:47:10.960
And it went on to be the Metalheads podcast number one album of the year. So it will be interesting to see if history repeats itself, especially because our last unified champion in two mold, I think is already in the running for one of the best albums of the year for 2023. And we're going to be talking about that later today. So this is really an interesting year. It's wild how that played out. Yeah. Which we didn't know was coming out until a couple of days ago.

01:47:13.480 --> 01:47:15.560
I don't know if you guys saw Decibels

01:47:16.400 --> 01:47:17.420
review of the album

01:47:18.380 --> 01:47:19.780
did you I think George you said it was

01:47:19.940 --> 01:47:21.400
like they got it they gave it a 10 out of 10

01:47:22.080 --> 01:47:23.960
of the horrendous yeah they gave it

01:47:24.100 --> 01:47:25.260
10 out of 10 yeah

01:47:25.640 --> 01:47:27.940
now did anyone notice that they called out

01:47:28.100 --> 01:47:29.460
Will in the review

01:47:30.000 --> 01:47:31.220
what no I did not

01:47:32.120 --> 01:47:33.420
yeah they did I'm gonna read it

01:47:34.300 --> 01:47:35.440
sticking point for some

01:47:35.860 --> 01:47:37.620
in parentheses incorrect folks

01:47:38.640 --> 01:47:39.940
Damon Herring and Matt Knox

01:47:39.960 --> 01:48:09.920
and play a variety of vocal techniques, including clean singing and a weird Lestane-Abbath hybrid on the death knell ringeth. It works perfectly. I swear they wrote that for Will. Okay, they didn't actually call him out. No, but you can read between the lines. So, Ed, I know you've listened to some cast. Will does not like, he doesn't like mixed vocals. He doesn't like when an album is like death and then they throw in some

01:48:09.980 --> 01:48:39.780
or whatever. He's just, he's adverse to it. He's a purist. I was hoping he'd be here for that, but I was like, ah, you gotta drop it. Now he said to me today, ah, they got the clean vocals on and on the first song too. I think I swayed Will for the album of the month because I was talking, I talked up horrendous a lot because I think I was the first one where I got it because I got it on vinyl so soon. And I was talking about how there was just levels to the game and stuff. So I wonder if I influenced him a little bit. And he may have been like, everybody else is doing it. I'm doing it too. Let's go jump off.

01:48:40.800 --> 01:49:09.920
I'm glad he jumped with us so yeah yeah it'll come up again he may have picked the next band that we're going to talk about he didn't say much about this though nobody did it's true he really didn't the new incantation album unholy deification yeah I didn't dislike this album at all but it didn't hit me as much as the last one did I don't know if it was just timing or what but Markisan as the podcast

01:49:12.080 --> 01:49:39.900
What were your thoughts? Yeah, I thought it was another great death album from Incantation. I think they once again deliver something a bit different than what came before. It's a darker album. It's grimier than Sect of Vile Divinities without going, I guess, full murk like earlier records. But it's also full of these oddball dissonant passages in it as well. And part of what I love about this band is just

01:49:39.920 --> 01:50:09.820
the interesting way that they craft songs. They can be complex or banging, but there's always an artistry to Incantation that has made them, to me, one of the most consistent bands in metal without resting on their laurels, without repeating what they've done before. So I don't know if I like it as much as the last album. I just know it's a really good album. So I have to spend more time with it. And we've gotten so many great records this year. I don't know where it's going to fall because Incantation,

01:50:09.920 --> 01:50:18.080
And I think when it came out. Yeah. But that's what I appreciate about

01:50:18.260 --> 01:50:22.200
incantation. We've talked about this a little bit before where there's bands who just do the same

01:50:22.200 --> 01:50:39.180
thing over and over. You only need a couple albums. You do not know what incantation is going to bring on the next album. You never know. And I just feel they're one of the most influential death metal bands, but they're just always a band that kind of takes chances. You know it's incantation, but they're still doing something.

01:50:40.700 --> 01:51:09.780
And that to me is amazing for a band that's been around this long. So yeah, I really like the record. I'm sure it'll probably make my list. Just don't know where it's going to go. Any other comments on Incantation? I did. All right. I know John's not a big fan. He's putting it on his list, but yeah. I didn't listen. I'll be honest. I've been so busy the last few weeks going back to when I was in California three weeks ago. And I haven't even had a chance to listen.

01:51:09.900 --> 01:51:39.860
everything and I've got so much to listen to still by Monday, unfortunately. So I'm just trying to catch up on so many things. And of course, I'm like, oh, alkaloid, not bad for Friday. Oh, wow. Two more, too. What the father? Of course, I listen to the two more record and I'm like, oh, man, I like this a lot. I gotta listen again. Fuck. Oh, wait. Alkaloid, 70 billion minutes long. I gotta listen to that again. So and then George puts all these albums on that we haven't talked

01:51:39.880 --> 01:52:09.780
about, you know, in between casts, I'm like, oh, great, horrendous, let's talk about that. Yeah. Fuck. Yeah. I just haven't had a chance to listen to everything. I tried so hard to listen to everything. I just couldn't get to all of it. Unusually long list of new releases this time. Well, yeah, from a lot of bands that we all like for some, at some degree, at some level, you know, so. Yeah. So next we have the new Terminalist album, The Crisis As Condition. It's their second album. They're a Danish black thread.

01:52:11.240 --> 01:52:39.340
And maybe a little tech in there, too. I don't know. I know, John, you like them. I like them. And yeah, this was good, I thought. A little different. I think the first one was a little more kind of hyperspace speed level. I mean, they admit that they're fast as hell. And I like the last one. This one, I only gave one spin. I thought it was pretty good. A little slower in pace, which I actually liked more because they were balls out from the start.

01:52:40.240 --> 01:53:09.320
I didn't get a chance to spin it anymore than I wanted to. So I haven't, I don't have a great feel for it yet. I thought it was pretty good. It seems like it's a lot of people listen to it and like it. So. Yeah, I think it's really good. I think it's ripping. I think it moves pretty good actually, but it does have those slower moments. There's more variety on this one compared to the first one, I think. Yeah. There's more ideas in it. And especially for a thrash album, usually thrash albums have short songs. These are all, the songs are mostly like five. Like the last song is like,

01:53:09.440 --> 01:53:39.340
over 10 minutes long or something. They're not like Vector. They're not that kind of long. But you're right. You don't feel it. And you don't feel it. Yeah, I agree. Because they weave in a lot of melody. I heard a lot of black metal on this one, to be honest with you, too. They definitely have some black and riffs going. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. But I said black fresh. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Good call. It's a list of or knows first. It's hyper aggressive, but it has those slowed down moments. I just really like the way the band builds songs and then shifts those riffs.

01:53:39.420 --> 01:53:41.100
It keeps it intriguing all the way through

01:53:42.000 --> 01:53:44.160
If you're gonna do long thrash songs

01:53:44.220 --> 01:53:44.620
I guess

01:53:45.020 --> 01:53:46.480
I mean that's the way you gotta do it

01:53:46.880 --> 01:53:47.920
You gotta have cool riffs

01:53:48.120 --> 01:53:50.920
And they'll have like multiple cool riffs in one song

01:53:51.260 --> 01:53:52.960
It reminded me of Exodus

01:53:53.380 --> 01:53:54.400
Shovelheaded Killing Machine

01:53:55.360 --> 01:53:57.100
In that sense like it's like

01:53:57.160 --> 01:53:59.140
Proggy thrash metal

01:53:59.540 --> 01:54:00.720
Stuff but it keeps you interesting

01:54:00.940 --> 01:54:02.340
And 7 minutes, 10 minutes goes fast

01:54:03.100 --> 01:54:03.880
So fast

01:54:04.980 --> 01:54:06.280
It goes by quick

01:54:06.660 --> 01:54:09.400
I don't know how long the running time for the record is

01:54:09.400 --> 01:54:39.380
But it's not a super long album. But the tracks themselves are. The tracks themselves. Yeah. It's good. I just gotta give it more time. Yeah. All right. Next we have the album Till the Dirt Outside the Spiral. This is the first album from Florida Progressive Death Band Till the Dirt featuring Kelly Schaefer from Atheist. And this album blew me away. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, John. Yes.

01:54:39.420 --> 01:55:09.380
I was like, holy shit, this is death metal, this is Alice in Chains, this is, oh, this is so not Will's kind of music. But it has, it mixes up so many different things. This is the kind of stuff that at 52 years old keeps me going. I'm glad you like it a lot, George. I actually was happy to hear that. Actually, still 51 for another couple months. But when you've heard as much metal as I have, you need something new to tweak your

01:55:11.700 --> 01:55:38.820
and this did it. I was like, oh yeah. That's awesome. And I'm baffled by your opinion, John, but I respect it. But I'm baffled. It didn't grab me the same way. And I tried and I, you know, I snuck it in as a listen to because our good buddy, our podcast extended family, Justin was just like, dude, if you listen, it's because Justin and I are big atheist fans, which I'm still.

01:55:39.560 --> 01:55:46.140
We don't understand how you don't like Tilda Dirt.

01:55:47.140 --> 01:55:51.000
Yeah, I haven't talked to him yet about it. I gave it one lesson.

01:55:51.460 --> 01:55:54.580
It didn't rub me the right way. Do you like Nevermore, John?

01:55:54.840 --> 01:55:57.060
I love Nevermore. We all love Nevermore.

01:55:57.180 --> 01:56:00.220
Listening to it, but keep in mind, Dreaming Neon Black,

01:56:01.740 --> 01:56:05.700
honestly, that's what the vibe of Tilda Dirt brought back to me.

01:56:05.800 --> 01:56:35.480
It's got this whole theatrical thing and it has a lot of nevermore in it, which is incredibly surprising. Sure, it has atheists, of course, but. Actually, and I didn't actually hear too much atheists, but I agree there's some there because his vocals are so different. Yeah. When he goes to the kind of straightforward, I got a, I think George, I said, yeah, I got a little too much groove in the vocals on a couple songs. And you mentioned Alison Change. Like, okay, I agree with that too. And I'm not a super groove fan. It just never. I didn't think of it. I have to listen.

01:56:35.800 --> 01:57:05.060
Again, like I said, I haven't had a chance to listen to everything fully. And it's just been. It does. It definitely does have the groove and swagger about it. But honestly, to me, this reminded me, it got me my Nevermore fix, which is incredible. And I didn't expect it. This band blew me away. That's alkaloid. And this one were my. Nice. That's awesome. I didn't get any Nevermore. I'm with you, John. I just did not. What? Okay. Both of you go back, do your homework and listen again. Talk to me next episode.

01:57:05.140 --> 01:57:35.100
Just because you guys are so high on it, I'm surprised. I cannot even fathom how you didn't get this. Fail! Fail! I was like, oh, this is very mad. Can I get his job? Yeah, because I at least like atheists, so yeah. Yeah, I'm with you, Marcus. It just didn't grab me right away. It's not, and it's his, all the kids for me. Kelly Schaefer's my age, roughly. I think he might be a couple years older. And it's just all the kids he has in his band now for atheists. They're just incredible.

01:57:36.000 --> 01:58:04.680
And I think it's at least two of them, isn't it? Maybe three? It is. Yeah, and they're phenomenal players. They're so talented. Oh my God. But I really didn't like the Alice in Chains sound in it. A little bit, yeah. It's so clearly just like aping Alice in Chains. I didn't like that. I read where he said- I didn't like the vocals very much in it. He started with one thing and it just started taking a life of its own and he's like, all right, we'll just keep going with this. All right, cool, let's do this idea then.

01:58:05.160 --> 01:58:34.940
I think that's how the album morphed together. When George put this on and I spent it, I was like, is this a joke? Am I really supposed to be listening to this? But I will go back to it because now I know that you love it and Ed loves it. So I will go back to it and listen again. But wait, this is a lister right here. So you need to figure that out. You need to sort yourself out. Before I spend the effort, I want to know what Matt thinks about this. Matt just added it to his cue.

01:58:38.420 --> 01:59:04.720
Matt didn't do his homework. I got kids, bitch. I can't listen to everything. I was actually hung up on what I believe is our next album. Yes, as one would be. I'm really surprised. I'm really surprised by how much you guys like it. I'm not surprised. Here's the thing. In real life, literally, I love to till dirt.

01:59:04.860 --> 01:59:34.820
because I like to plant seeds and I want those seeds to grow. So you're from the Midwest. Of course you are. Exactly. I feel like I'm already like off on a great start. The Matt situation tells the land. The Matt situation. I love it. That's right. All right. Is this going to become a gardening podcast again? So he has this podcast. Is there anything about gardening there, Ed? Yeah. Praying mantis in a bag. I just bought a home. It was like it dropped at the

01:59:34.860 --> 02:00:04.380
I was like, yeah, I have aphids. Mantis or ladybugs. Exactly. Thank you for your service for that, too. I don't know. It's like you're in Quebec City, you said? Yes. I don't know what it's like. The rules are there. But if you got a woodchuck and it's bothering you and you can find one of those water rifles, the kid little water guns. Super soakers. That's a good way to not hurt them, but say, shoo, get away. Because they will eat the shit out of your property.

02:00:04.840 --> 02:00:34.820
Yeah, they will. George, you have to pull one of Ed's quotes where he's like, thank you for your service. Definitely. That's what we do. We service you. Actually, for some reason, I feel like a little comment needs to come before that. Ed say, thank you for your service. Edit it out. You have all my permission. You're listening to Metalhead's podcast. Thank you for your service. These guys are professional. Yeah. All right, George, let's just get to it. The surprise album of the week. Yeah. So next up, we have the

02:00:34.840 --> 02:01:04.800
Newtomold album, The Enduring Spirit, their fourth album. They're from Toronto. I had a little bit. So this was a surprise drop on Friday, though they did announce it a couple of days before. Like Tuesday, I think. Yeah. Their last album was the first album that we all agreed on for album of the month. And was our album of the year. Yeah. Obviously, it means a lot to us that this was coming out. And I've given it my first time.

02:01:04.820 --> 02:01:34.800
and yeah it's good yeah somebody went back and listened to a lot of death from the human individual thought patterns period and a lot of jazz fusion because this is Markisan told me to get my towels out but he didn't say get three beach towels out he just said get your towels i did because it's the most progressive record they've done but it's still ultra heavy i think i think clearly there's some influence from from derek vello's work in dream on

02:01:34.840 --> 02:02:04.800
For some of the atmospheric parts, yes. Absolutely. When they do light those prog fireworks, they feel natural, they feel earned, and they're just mind-blowingly expensive. There's a lot of jazz guitar work in this. Oh, yeah. That last song is just littered with it. It's like somebody's listening to a lot of Alan Holdsworth. Yeah. They're just a band, I think, they know how, they have the ability to enhance that kick-ass

02:02:05.140 --> 02:02:33.720
death metal sound with just new textures and instrumentation. And it feels effortless to me when they do it. And production of this album is light years ahead of their other stuff too, I think for me. So good. Yeah. You can just actually, John, I'll, you can just put it down for my album a month. There's, there's nothing beating this for me. So you can lock that bitch in. And another album that's what 43 minutes long, which is the right amount of time.

02:02:34.840 --> 02:02:36.820
I think we may have

02:02:37.680 --> 02:02:38.820
a chance for this

02:02:39.130 --> 02:02:40.980
album to do back

02:02:41.060 --> 02:02:42.300
to back sweeps.

02:02:43.020 --> 02:02:44.760
Or not. No, we're not.

02:02:45.100 --> 02:02:45.960
We're not going to.

02:02:47.700 --> 02:02:49.040
I'm not jumping on

02:02:49.180 --> 02:02:50.800
that wagon just yet, but I

02:02:51.100 --> 02:02:52.940
didn't think. Yeah, we'll see. I don't

02:02:52.940 --> 02:02:54.620
think we will. I may end up there, but

02:02:55.010 --> 02:02:56.340
yeah, I've got some other plans.

02:02:57.080 --> 02:02:59.020
We still got Primordial this month.

02:02:59.360 --> 02:03:00.860
Yes, we still have

02:03:01.160 --> 02:03:02.860
Primordial. There's a new mushroom

02:03:03.060 --> 02:03:03.700
head, I think.

02:03:05.340 --> 02:03:33.280
I don't think anything's beating T-Mold. Actually, for me, there's a band out of Israel called Obsidian Tide that I like a lot. I'm curious to hear what their first song so far. The second one dropped yesterday. I haven't listened yet, but the first song's awesome. Beautiful artwork, too. Oh, God, so good. So good. You guys can edit me out, please, for my reputation, but I didn't enjoy T-Mold. It took me a couple of listens, and I'm going to let you know why.

02:03:33.340 --> 02:04:00.400
because I'm not very versed in death metal, right? So it sounded a little abrasive at first. The first song is so heavy and it's a little muddy, a little heavy. And then, you know, I wanted to give it a second chance. And usually when I give a second chance to an album, I go to the last song and boy, that blew me away. It's not even the same band to me. So I listened to that last song. It's incredible.

02:04:03.340 --> 02:04:32.520
to go back and listen through the whole album because I didn't have that experience on the first listen on the first song. Yeah, that's a super cool perspective. It is. Well, it's almost like listening to the new Brannock album. I would expect that kind of response. And I know Marcus, I know sometimes if you listen to the first song, you're like, eh, I don't know. But then you listen to the last one, the Threnody to a Dying Star. I'm actually going to talk about it, but it's a masterclass. The only reason it ends,

02:04:33.340 --> 02:05:03.280
It's because it fades out, but I can listen to that sucker for like 10 more minutes. That's an ending riff. Just that song alone, I could just listen to off that. The album's great, and I'll just take that one. Yeah. Wow. Cool. Yeah. Yeah, it's so weird to me that some people have such different tastes. Like, you were so into Till the Dirt, but Tumult took you like a little bit more, like that last track, which to me, like Tumult is like, light years better band. I'll say this about the album. I don't know what you guys thought, and I'm curious, Marcus, on it.

02:05:03.340 --> 02:05:32.520
George, what you think if you get under the cans with your new heavies, I thought the production on this album was light years better than the other one. It's not as cavernous. Yeah, no. And I feel like all the instrumentation, everybody stands out without anyone dominating the sound. It's balanced better. I like the production on the last one. I feel like it had to be more crisp on this because it's just more progressive. There's just more happening. Right. But it's still brutal in parts, though. It's brutal. Yeah.

02:05:32.580 --> 02:06:02.540
And I just feel like it doesn't feel like we're 152 feet below the earth in a cavern. Like in L'Oreal. We're not, George, we're not in L'Oreal right now, you know. I love that sound though. That's like one of my favorite sounds. I don't like that. As someone who doesn't listen to death metal, that's one sound I want to avoid. And as soon as Tom Mould started out and you're saying that the production is much better than the last album, that's what hit me. And I was like, yeah, that's probably not for me. That's why I give it a sound. You gotta listen to more death metal. I do. Give me like a top five.

02:06:02.580 --> 02:06:32.440
I'm on it. I'm on it. That's interesting. Top five. Hmm. All right. Yeah. I mean, here's what I thought it sounded better. Death, right? I've listened to death. Yeah, but I was late to the game. But yes, I've listened to death and I like the newer stuff more than the older stuff, which is apparently you can't say that. But yeah, I will say I'm 100% with you. I'm 100% with you. Human. Human is. Scream bloody gore. Come on. I am. I am a latter era death guy. Symbolic for the second.

02:06:32.580 --> 02:06:33.520
Yes, of course.

02:06:34.320 --> 02:06:36.280
I also say that...

02:06:36.280 --> 02:06:37.120
Oh, sorry, George, go ahead.

02:06:37.160 --> 02:06:37.440
No, you.

02:06:38.600 --> 02:06:42.780
When I said I wasn't listening to Tilt the Dirt because I was listening to something else,

02:06:43.150 --> 02:06:44.540
it was actually not Tumult.

02:06:46.040 --> 02:06:48.100
Well, you ought to listen to it.

02:06:48.840 --> 02:06:49.820
You dirty dog.

02:06:50.120 --> 02:06:51.020
You know what I just realized?

02:06:51.680 --> 02:06:52.120
Mastodon!

02:06:53.200 --> 02:06:56.840
I didn't make any comments on incantation.

02:06:56.910 --> 02:06:58.340
Did you listen to incantation?

02:06:58.350 --> 02:06:59.580
You were very...

02:06:59.600 --> 02:07:29.180
It was very caveman death metal to me, honestly. I just, you know, like death metal, I couldn't get, I got into Carcass, Cattle Decapitation, because those albums that I had is going crazy over there. They'll put my remission here in a second. It's a Leviathan, what are you going to do? Yeah, and the album that really stood out for me growing up for death metal was Dying Fetus. Whoa.

02:07:30.660 --> 02:07:59.560
I am dying right now. No pun intended. Dying fetus. What was it? Retribution or big American cover on it, making fun of all sorts of stuff. What was it? I don't remember exactly. See, I'm not much of a death metal guy. I don't know either. I don't know. War of attrition. War of attrition. That's the one. All right. Or attrition or something like that. But anyway, so dying fetus. And I think that the reason I listened to that because dying fetus is just

02:07:59.580 --> 02:08:29.380
So freaking nasty. And I was, you know, in my rebellious phase as a 15 year old. Sure. I'm still there. I'm 45. It's funny. He's like, he is the opposite taste of will. I still need a top five though. Marcus. Like a top five all time. Or do you want like top five from the last year? You gotta make me love caveman death metal. Like if you've listened to some of it and you listen, incantations, not caveman.

02:08:29.600 --> 02:08:35.040
death metal like that's like primitive man or they have some of that in there but

02:08:35.220 --> 02:08:40.120
they're actually very technical they do a lot of interesting things with their sound so i'm

02:08:40.150 --> 02:08:44.680
actually surprised that you didn't hear that in the the music given the music that you make

02:08:45.560 --> 02:08:50.820
but maybe you want to go back incantation is my favorite death metal band oh all their albums are very

02:08:51.010 --> 02:08:59.560
different and they do different things in the with their music that you don't expect yeah there is a lot

02:08:59.560 --> 02:09:29.360
I do, but I tend to like more bands like Tumult who do different, unique things. They're more progressive death metal like death or something like that. But yeah, we can send you a top five. Do you like Morbid Angel? Yeah, Morbid Angel, C&I Kinda-ish maybe. Niall Kinda-ish as well. Niall, yeah, that was a good one. I love Niall. But yeah, it's just I'm not versed in it. And I have a feeling that if I start getting versed in it, the next Anchoret is going to look and sound.

02:09:29.560 --> 02:09:30.240
It's different.

02:09:30.800 --> 02:09:30.960
Oh,

02:09:31.240 --> 02:09:32.420
cause of death.

02:09:32.740 --> 02:09:33.000
There's some,

02:09:33.030 --> 02:09:33.500
a lot of great,

02:09:34.570 --> 02:09:34.960
I don't know.

02:09:35.080 --> 02:09:36.880
I don't know what my top five death metal.

02:09:37.160 --> 02:09:37.260
Wait,

02:09:37.300 --> 02:09:39.080
we did do top five death metal of all time.

02:09:39.320 --> 02:09:39.460
Didn't we?

02:09:39.460 --> 02:09:40.880
We actually did an episode on that.

02:09:40.950 --> 02:09:41.240
Didn't we?

02:09:41.320 --> 02:09:42.380
We may have.

02:09:42.440 --> 02:09:42.500
Yeah.

02:09:43.120 --> 02:09:45.260
There's gotta be some cannibal corpse in that episode.

02:09:45.390 --> 02:09:46.140
I think we did it.

02:09:46.520 --> 02:09:47.300
I'm going to do my homework.

02:09:47.890 --> 02:09:48.660
We did a top five.

02:09:48.820 --> 02:09:50.180
Cause I remember my top five.

02:09:50.650 --> 02:09:53.080
I think Justin was on it and we did it right.

02:09:53.240 --> 02:09:53.580
No,

02:09:53.900 --> 02:09:55.260
this is going way back.

02:09:55.400 --> 02:09:56.640
Cannibal corpse kill.

02:09:57.770 --> 02:09:58.660
You got to listen to that.

02:09:59.320 --> 02:09:59.420
Okay.

02:10:00.180 --> 02:10:29.440
Oh, absolutely. What was the one I had that was the greatest last album ever? Bolt Throw. Those ones, Law. Anything Bolt Throw. For victory. Their last album is their best album. Those ones, Law, is their last album. Yeah. John's favorite, my favorite. Yeah, absolutely. Just can listen. That's the only one I can listen to and I'd be happy. You know what? Start with some Bolt Throw. There's been a lot of bands who've tried to emulate that sound over the years.

02:10:29.480 --> 02:10:59.420
including bands with members from Bolt Thrower and Memorial. Yeah, I love the first Morbid Angel. Did you guys mention that? Altars of Madness? Yeah. It's fucking great. So good. So, yeah. Yeah. Cool. Any death? Yeah, the first two, yeah, good call markers on the first two. Left Hand Path. Entombed. I love the first, and I enjoyed George loves Wolverine Blues. Yeah, Wolverine Blues is amazing. Left Hand Path is my favorite from them. That's funny, and mine is Clendid.

02:11:23.920 --> 02:11:29.460
I'll do my homework I'll do my journey I'll go on my journey self-discovery and

02:11:30.300 --> 02:11:58.360
Yeah, exactly. We have one more new release, and you really ought to hear about it. And that is Uwata. Uwata know that this is their fourth album called Crepuscule Natura. They're an Oregon black metal band. And yeah, I liked it. I don't know what anybody else saw. I think it's definitely a continuation of Jin, their last album. Yes, I think so. Yeah.

02:11:59.060 --> 02:12:29.000
And agreed, I dig it. For as much as I say I'm listening to it, I would definitely still be in the processing department. Yeah, for sure. I like it so far. For whatever reason, their first two albums were, it definitely sounds like the same band, but I think the first two albums were a little bit more raw, whereas the newer stuff seems, and I use this with the last album, and I hate using this term, but it sounds more mature. And by mature, I probably mean like aged, like you would age, like a girl.

02:12:29.060 --> 02:12:57.560
or something like that. And that is a compliment. Their sound seems like it has more volume and depth to it. Not that I don't love the raw stuff. Don't get me wrong. I feel like I was getting you wrong there for a moment, but you sorted me out. So thanks. I love that it's a continuation from their previous albums. I like that this is like an entry level black metal band because it is catchy. You can sing along to it, which is probably the worst insult for black metal bands. I know I get it.

02:12:57.640 --> 02:13:27.300
But your former bandmates are cringing. Yeah. Hey, everyone. But no, honestly. And I also see like their evolution through like the first albums and even on their album covers, which is pretty interesting. You can see someone like through Jin and this one, he's opening his chakras, evolving. Like it's the same character every album cover. And this last one, he's transcended, which I love it. That's definitely way more thought than I put into it.

02:13:27.620 --> 02:13:57.600
So way to go. Definitely well said. Nice. Yeah. I mean, I liked it a lot. I liked the last one, but there were some passages in the last album that just went, I guess, too off kilter for me that I didn't like, but this one doesn't have that. So I dig this one a bit more, but I feel like I definitely have to listen to it some more as well. Yeah. I feel like it could be a lister, but I don't know yet, which is weird upon a few listens already. I may be listening to it.

02:13:59.080 --> 02:14:26.920
and I'm not sure exactly how I feel about it, but it is, I think because it is more of a continuation of the last album, it's not really giving you anything completely new. Like when you get two molds, this album, it's a departure from the last one, even though it's very identifiably two mold. And I like that. It gets me excited because they're trying something new. With Uwata, they're continuing their formula and with small tweaks.

02:14:27.700 --> 02:14:56.640
I guess I'm not as excited to listen to it, but it's a very good record. I will say that the last track is my favorite, The Wax and the Wind. I think it does a great job of kind of pulling everything together, which is ideally how we would want an album to be. I guess from a marketing standpoint, if you're thinking structurally, that isn't always the case. It's definitely when you want to stick through to see how it wraps up. And that's my favorite track on the album as well. Same. Same.

02:14:58.300 --> 02:15:27.580
I'll be back. All right. Well, do it. I'll give you a moment. Bring it. What did Matt say? Two by two? Two by two. Whatever it was. Two and two. Who used to say that, that we'll be back in two and two? Chuck Willery? Anybody? Love Connection? I know the name of you. So tell us what happened on your next date. Bow chicka bow wow. Well, I'll tell you, Chuck, he showed up in a VW van.

02:15:27.640 --> 02:15:50.200
I sat at the restaurant for six hours and nobody showed up. Hey, I've done that. Maybe not six hours. So what happened? Why didn't you show up? Because I was sleeping with her sister. That's a love connection. Yeah. All right. And if you want to find hell with me. Oh, yeah. All right. We're going to move on now to what we are listening to.

02:16:14.340 --> 02:16:27.340
And Ed, you unfortunately are our first. It's not unfortunate. We want to hear what he's listening to. Unfortunately for you, you have to go first. That's the way we do things.

02:16:27.640 --> 02:16:57.599
Ed's prepared. You can tell this guy's a freak. Yeah. We mentioned one of the albums that I do listen to recently. It's Rannock, Conflagrations. It's incredible prog death metal, honestly. And that last song, if you have to listen to one song, one track, you listen to that like 16 minute masterclass of an opus called Threnody to a Dying Star. Yeah. And like I said, the only reason that you stop listening to it is because they decided to fade it out, which I hope they won't do live and just keep

02:16:57.639 --> 02:17:27.380
going. That's a great song. What else are you listening to? And probably going to be a Lister album for me, I think. I really like this record. I also listen to, and I'm going to throw Avant-Garde a lot. I know, John, you might not enjoy that, but I'll explain why, too. Oh, I just think it gets overused. It's like progressive gets overused now, too. Yeah, I agree with you 100%. One thing that they did mention about The Anchored is that we're catering to more what's been done in the past, and we're not pushing boundaries.

02:17:27.639 --> 02:17:56.340
And that's what progressive is all about. And I tend to somewhat agree. And I also think that progressive is all about the state of mind and how the compositions flow in the journey of the music. Was that angry metal guy that said that? No, actually. Wait, did they review your album? They did. Angry Metal Guy? Yeah, they did. I don't go to that site a lot because I think they're wrong most of the time. Yeah, but if you're on there, you probably made your good. You got somebody got listened to you, so that's at least a positive. That's cool.

02:17:57.620 --> 02:18:27.599
I like better personally but their grizzly bots is a good so anyway sorry we derailed you sorry go ahead no problem can we do it no it's actually a YouTube conversation at YouTube like a YouTuber going over reviews of the album and they've listed a couple of other bands that are pushing the envelope and lately and honestly this year and I don't know what happened maybe it's a post-pandemic kind of situation labels tend to take a lot more chances with bands that are pushing the envelope and a lot of the pushing the envelope comes from black metal kind of

02:18:27.740 --> 02:18:57.580
And one of the bands that I really enjoyed is a flesh vessel called Committee and Fate Sealed. And honestly, I can't really explain how it sounds. It mixes in classical music a little bit as well, but it's not Igor, right? It's not going crazy. The way I would explain it to someone is, what if Ennio Morricone did metal? It's really interesting. And you listen to that whole album as an album, which is also

02:18:57.980 --> 02:19:27.559
you know the intended way to consume that music which is something I like. They're really pushing boundaries it goes from like piano it goes from I don't know maybe there's whistling there's a lot of like old western passages and I don't know it really does push the envelope of what. That is very avant-garde black metal for sure. Very avant-garde. I've listened to that a couple times. And I think it's interesting because they're looking for those I don't know soundscapes that make things interesting. The structure there's no verse chorus structure.

02:19:27.620 --> 02:19:57.020
to it. It's not that kind of music, but it's a whole experience. You're listening there for a full album, but it does make sense. They're mixing in things that end up making sense together at the end. I highly recommend that one. And in the same vein, another album that I listened to is Liturgy 93696. Wow. Yeah. That thing's crazy. That thing's crazy. Right. And how can you really explain it? It really just there's, it starts off with, I don't know, it's Bjork metal. Yeah.

02:19:59.000 --> 02:20:26.780
I feel like I have one-liners for every single band today. But yeah, even if you don't like it, you have to respect the work behind it. It's glitchy. It's super dissonant. It's incredibly dissonant, but it all makes sense in the melody at the end of it all. It has flutes in there. I'm pretty sure it's like a keyboard. If you want to go to real kitchen sink stuff, that's kitchen sink.

02:20:26.920 --> 02:20:55.600
They're just like pick and choose anything that comes from their mind. There's everything in that album. Yeah, it's pretty crazy. It's pretty crazy. And I run I can recommend that's a little bit of a the style of doom that I enjoy. And also it's a 10 and 10 because it has saxophone in it. Sapturinian disposition. I don't know if you've heard about that. I feel like I have that on my wish list. Oh, no. In fact, I know I do because of the saxophone.

02:20:59.579 --> 02:21:26.680
It's playing saxophone in a sexy way, but it fits in a deaf... Yeah, there it is. Individuation. Individuation. Yeah, yeah. I totally put that in my list because of the saxophone. Yeah, and it's used not in a metal way. We're using a dissonant. We're a metal band. We want it to sound dissonant. We want it to go to King Crimson, I guess, way. But this one is extremely melodic, and it's playing over,

02:21:26.920 --> 02:21:56.880
like the quieter parts with brushwork on the drums and yet it's still deaf do more doomy feel to it and doom in the production so it's experimental but it's refreshing 10 on 10 it has saxophone yeah favorite track haunted uh optimist so check that one out um definitely yeah yeah no i'm done with that all right i love that ed's his the favorite albums that he's been listening to are these kind

02:21:56.900 --> 02:22:26.020
of chaotic, dissonant, avant-garde metal albums. And you have the Anchor It, which has a lot of elements of that, but reigns it in. So it almost feels it's you're getting ideas from all these bands. Like you're invigorated by all the weird things that are going on in other bands. And it's, oh, I got to see if I can incorporate that and put it into the Anchor It at some point. And then bring it in, reign it in into my style. I like that. I don't know if that's the case. That's how I feel.

02:22:26.779 --> 02:22:56.020
I've seen you commenting on some of our posts like the new Music Friday and stuff and I know your style of music so I'm like okay you know this but then you'll talk about something that's completely different and I'm like oh he likes some music he's not just this he's got wider tastes than you might know from this and it's fun he likes the forward thinking he likes things that are out there that people that are brave artists that are brave that are trying new things and that's cool yeah I think it's

02:22:56.040 --> 02:23:26.020
It's important to know where they come from because I feel like it's not per se like I'm going to be inspired by liturgy for example it's so out of left field from what I would do but what are they inspired from how did they transform the music so it's like a second degree of inspiration you know that's where I can see Ennio Morricone in Flesh Vessel probably not even Ennio Morricone but it remind me of it so that's where I'm going to go to get the inspiration from and I like that I enjoy that I just

02:23:26.060 --> 02:23:32.200
I've been on a cure of frog because I'm trying to push boundaries a little bit.

02:23:32.320 --> 02:23:33.260
Have you heard Wayfair?

02:23:34.120 --> 02:23:34.780
Yes, of course.

02:23:35.080 --> 02:23:38.340
Because that's the Ennio Morricone influence to me.

02:23:38.840 --> 02:23:39.720
It's a good point.

02:23:40.380 --> 02:23:41.860
It's interesting for Flesh Vestal.

02:23:41.860 --> 02:23:44.100
I'll have to go back to that one because I have listened to it a couple times.

02:23:45.140 --> 02:23:47.140
I don't like as much dissonant kind of thing.

02:23:47.460 --> 02:23:48.580
It takes me a while.

02:23:48.620 --> 02:23:50.640
I want to appreciate it more.

02:23:51.600 --> 02:23:55.400
And so when I listen to it the first time, I'm like, this might be too much for me.

02:23:55.980 --> 02:23:59.600
But then I'll go back because I always like to give bands a second shot.

02:24:00.360 --> 02:24:24.680
Yeah, I'm not going to lie. It does take effort, but it's not one of those. Maybe Rannock is easy listening to by comparison. And I listen to Kriegsgrave a lot as well. I love it because it's to me, it's easy listening and it heightens the black metal element of it because it has some killer solos. It actually has people knowing how to play their instruments and they're really good people too. We get along a lot.

02:24:24.680 --> 02:24:54.660
I had that on my mid-year list. Also, Flesh Vessel is an amazing band name. All right, so my turn. What am I listening to? Okay, so first up for me is Ante God Hand, Blight Year, American Dream. Oh, I'm going to burp. This is progressive cosmic black metal devastation layered with mournful, cascading guitars, just otherworldly vocal rasps in here. I haven't really heard anything quite like that.

02:24:54.720 --> 02:24:59.960
this band actually would have been my album of the month for August if not for

02:25:00.040 --> 02:25:07.320
horrendous their last album wretch made my top 10 a couple years ago and I know Matt's now getting

02:25:07.350 --> 02:25:11.760
into the band which is cool it's cool that he's catching up to me that's pretty good so good so I

02:25:12.140 --> 02:25:19.160
expected that Blight Ear is gonna make the cut too because I feel like every time out they add something a

02:25:19.160 --> 02:25:20.660
a little extra to their sound.

02:25:21.500 --> 02:25:25.560
And I just really enjoy listening to the way they progress and experiment.

02:25:26.200 --> 02:25:31.720
But there's always this emotional component to their music that I really respond to.

02:25:32.720 --> 02:25:36.700
Even though the vocals are some of the harshest vocals I've heard in metal.

02:25:37.360 --> 02:25:42.820
The next record on my list is Myru, Soul Cultist on Trepanation Recordings.

02:25:43.380 --> 02:25:46.840
This is a sludgy, atmospheric post-dune album.

02:25:47.640 --> 02:26:17.420
The vocals on this are used pretty sparingly. It's Pelican fused with Cult of Luna, but with a little bit of Isis mixed in there. So there's a bit of ambient music, some shuge, some synth, some texture experimentation on the record that really sets a foreboding mood on this record. And the fact that it's mostly instrumental with the occasional growled vocals on the tracks, it really enhances that vibe for me. This is a really cool record.

02:26:17.620 --> 02:26:46.140
I think it's under the radar. I haven't heard a lot of people talk about that one. Chasm, K-A-S-M, Lux Obscurata. It's an independent release. This is an album I may have missed or possibly found later, but our friend Carl Chamberlain from the band Al Sione. Carl! On the Metalhead's Facebook page when John posted for New Music Friday. So when he did that, I was like, I gotta check this out.

02:26:47.640 --> 02:27:17.600
is because Chasm features the vocalist from Wake, Kyle Ball. But the credits, they just list him as KB. But Carl's a big fan of the band. He's friends with those guys, too. So I'm sure he knew about this one in advance. So shout out to Carl, as George already did, and his nipples, because they're always out. They are wonderful. Appreciate the heads up. But yeah, Chasm plays a very vicious black metal, but it has this undercurrent

02:27:17.620 --> 02:27:47.120
of emotional melodicism to it. So I hesitate to call it melodic black metal because the way they layer the songs is a little bit different than what you might expect. It's almost like they have this sinister black metal floating over these waves of sunlight to me. As opposed to... Are you saying they're walking on sunshine? I am. You want to sing it, George? You're walking on sunshine. Excellent. Yeah.

02:27:48.319 --> 02:28:17.600
But you know when you think of melodic black metal it's like that perfect fusion of those two elements and this one doesn't sound like that it's a little bit different the way that they do it maybe it's in the production or the way they compose the songs I don't know but I like that it's it's a little bit strange and mysterious to me I like that. Stormkeep, Lost Relics, Order of the Divine Light Records. So I don't remember if it was last year or the year before but Tales of Other Time was on my top 25. It's a

02:28:17.620 --> 02:28:47.400
and sorcery black metal band. But this album, Lost Relics, is not that. It's a dungeon synth record from the band. So apparently it was a limited bonus edition CD for Tales of Other Time. But they've now made it available as a download and a limited cassette tape with all new art. So I really like dungeon synth. I feel like dungeon synth is exploding now. I just, I can't look at it and not see it.

02:28:47.640 --> 02:28:48.960
It's just like everywhere

02:28:49.620 --> 02:28:52.060
So I love it because it's especially good when I'm writing

02:28:52.420 --> 02:28:54.500
Sometimes I don't always want to listen to metal when I'm writing

02:28:54.600 --> 02:28:56.520
I want something a little bit more mellow

02:28:56.760 --> 02:28:57.340
with no vocals

02:28:58.280 --> 02:29:01.040
So yeah, I love Stormkeep and it's cool that they

02:29:01.579 --> 02:29:02.960
did this kind of medieval

02:29:03.940 --> 02:29:04.660
dungeon synth

02:29:05.280 --> 02:29:08.640
as a side project to their black metal

02:29:08.880 --> 02:29:09.960
Let's see here

02:29:10.380 --> 02:29:11.200
Sulphur Aeon

02:29:12.220 --> 02:29:12.740
Not out yet

02:29:13.700 --> 02:29:14.760
I've been waiting for this

02:29:15.200 --> 02:29:17.040
Seven Seals, we have the promo

02:29:17.420 --> 02:29:46.960
on Van Records. We got the promo like, I don't know, a month ago? Yeah, at least. I don't know when this thing's coming out, but it's not yet. October. Shit. I've played this son of a bitch a ton. I love their last record, and this just, it continues their Lovecraftian Black Death sound. So it's heavy, but I also feel like it's a little bit more haunting, a little bit more otherworldly than the last record. I really like it. So yeah, I can't wait for people to actually hear it.

02:29:47.040 --> 02:30:17.020
I can't believe they sent the promo that I know it happens yeah but yeah it's definitely a bit different than previously but I like it a lot that's what I thought so good though and I like that I want bands to try something a little different and you still have a sound that's recognizably them but do something new do something exciting I feel like it's more death than black it used to be more black than death yeah yeah but

02:30:17.060 --> 02:30:47.020
It has those like chorus vocals to it. And I don't know. It's different. It is. But it's freaking awesome. And I'm glad because I was like, we, as you said, we got the promo like a month ago and nobody said anything. And I'm like, man, does nobody like this? Because this is freaking awesome. I'm just too busy. That's just because I know I got too much. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And actually, I contacted a season of mist because

02:30:47.060 --> 02:31:17.020
we got horrendous and alkali are both on there so now we're on the promo list for that we're going to get all their albums a month ahead of time they told me and it's awesome and they said hey do you want to interview the members of alkali or horrendous on your podcast oh we've already had hannes thanks which we've had we've interviewed horrendous too i haven't gotten back to him but we'll see i'd like to see maybe listen horrendous play hard to get oh as long as they don't make us jump through who

02:31:17.060 --> 02:31:19.380
like nuclear blast or something like that.

02:31:19.380 --> 02:31:19.440
Yeah, no.

02:31:20.699 --> 02:31:22.600
That's why I don't do bigger labels.

02:31:23.480 --> 02:31:23.640
Yeah.

02:31:23.660 --> 02:31:24.140
I don't want to.

02:31:24.540 --> 02:31:25.740
They might not do that though, George.

02:31:25.980 --> 02:31:26.280
We'll see.

02:31:26.420 --> 02:31:26.920
I'll ask him.

02:31:27.040 --> 02:31:27.380
We'll see.

02:31:27.920 --> 02:31:28.160
All right.

02:31:28.220 --> 02:31:30.040
And then I have two more.

02:31:30.160 --> 02:31:30.740
I have two more.

02:31:30.740 --> 02:31:31.800
I have a longer list.

02:31:31.800 --> 02:31:33.980
I got a George, old school George list here.

02:31:34.960 --> 02:31:35.320
Tideless.

02:31:35.460 --> 02:31:36.960
I have water on chaos records.

02:31:37.580 --> 02:31:42.760
This is really great crushing expressive atmospheric doom death.

02:31:43.420 --> 02:31:46.580
It dropped on Friday, but we got the promo for it a couple of weeks ago.

02:31:46.640 --> 02:32:15.660
I put it in the box. I think this is a really great record. And I think it might be a sleeper pick for me come year end. I feel like a doom death with more of, I would say it leans heavily towards the doom end of it because it's a little bit slower. This is just a really great record. Bolt Gun, The Tower on avant-garde music. I just discovered this band pretty recently. They put out an EP called The Warren that I talked about on the last cast or the, maybe it might have been in the cast before, I don't remember.

02:32:15.960 --> 02:32:45.740
It just caught my attention because it is a really intriguing mix of experimental black metal, post-metal, noise, ambient music, and there's saxophone in it. You might want to give it a shot, Ed. Automatic done on done. And the EP featured Igor Cavalera on drums. Yeah, whatever episode we did, we talked about Cavalera because they re-released some of those records. I also talked about this. So this is a full length.

02:32:45.800 --> 02:33:14.660
The Tower is a full-length album that kind of continues what they started in the EP. The EP has songs that are not on the full-length, but I really like it. I guess it would fall again. You might be overusing this word, like John says, the avant-garde, but I think it might apply to this band. It's a little drearier. It's weirder. It's more hypnotic, but I dig it. I've listened to some of their other albums because they've had albums before that EP in this album. They're not as heavy.

02:33:15.120 --> 02:33:44.980
So I feel like from the EP, The Warren, and then this one, they've gotten more metal to me. And so I'm digging this band. And then the last one I have on my list is a fun one. It's called Verlust. And the album's called Hymns to Oblivion. And that's on colloquial sound recordings. I found this album unexpectedly, and it's really great US black metal from Hawaii. And apparently, this is a one man band.

02:33:45.120 --> 02:34:13.860
who started Verlust the year I moved to Hawaii, which is like 2020, I think. But I never heard of him. Now, that's not surprising because metal has virtually no existence on Hawaii. It was the pandemic. The band never played shows. But even so, I can't tell you how much time I spent just going to different stores searching for signs of metal in Hawaii.

02:34:14.040 --> 02:34:44.020
There's gotta be bands here in Hawaii. There's gotta be somebody who likes metal. And I maybe found like one band, but it was really difficult. But fortunately, the guy who owns Colloquial Sound found this band. And the album was originally self-released in January. But this label dude, he happened to be in Honolulu, that's where I lived, in the summer. And he was wandering the shops in

02:34:44.060 --> 02:35:14.000
And he stopped in a bookstore. He picked up a book of poetry by Mark Lanigan. And as he was checking out, he noticed a small pile of cassette tapes from Verlust. And he's a clerk. What the fuck are these? And he's, oh, it's some black metal band from a guy named J. The letter J. That's all. That's his name. I don't know anything else about this guy. So he shrugged. The guy picked it up. He went back home.

02:35:14.060 --> 02:35:43.800
He listened to it and he loved it. And so he contacted this guy in Hawaii, Jay, and said, hey, I would love to put this album out on the mainland. Do you have one more track that we could put so we could make it a little bit more unique? Round out the cassette. He sent him an extra track. Jay knew about this label. And so they put out the album again. So the album originally released in January. Now this new version with an extra song just came out.

02:35:43.880 --> 02:36:13.840
I think maybe last month. So I love that this owner of Colloquial Sound discovered this Hawaii band by chance because that's exactly what I was trying to do when I was in Hawaii and I failed. So this guy did it and now I get to be the beneficiary of it. You failed? It's a really good record. Or lust, yep. I'd watch that movie. I thought it was a good story. Yeah. So there you go. Matt, you're up. As always, I have to follow that and

02:36:13.860 --> 02:36:43.820
I sound like a bumbling fool. So my first pick make them beg for death dying fetus. We talked about earlier about being stuck in a box not getting outside that box sometimes we want to stay in that box and that is for me is dying fetus like I would never want dying fetus to change their sound. They are brutal death metal with hints of technical elements and unfortunately I will say they are going on tour unfortunately I will be out of town when they're in my neck of the woods. I'm sad about that.

02:36:43.880 --> 02:37:12.560
That, blah, blah, blah, who cares? New Uwada, we talked about that already. A band that is not on my list for our top five, but really got me into what is metal as it exists in my life as sadists. I don't hear about them much, but they did really, they have an album coming out. The album is called Shadow Inside, but currently we have It's the Sickness and Ride the Knife. There's preview tracks for that. Two Mold, The Enduring Spirit, we talked about that.

02:37:13.320 --> 02:37:42.960
I have really been fanboying on this new Outer Heaven album. Infinite Psychic Depths. Really love it. I don't know why I'm fanboying because I've always loved Outer Heaven, but for some reason I'm just like super smitten on this album. I would also say the same thing of a band called Ageless Summoning. UK death metal band. The album is Corrupting. The Untempled Plane. I think really what they do so good for me is just double bass. Like I feel like a good double bass.

02:37:43.140 --> 02:37:47.120
really pulls me in and that's it. New Horandus, we talked about it

02:37:47.740 --> 02:37:51.260
yesterday. We got a video from Blood Incantation called

02:37:51.860 --> 02:37:55.880
Luminescent Bridge. When I investigated that on Spotify, I realized there's

02:37:56.200 --> 02:38:01.960
also a new song called Obliquity of Ecliptic. It's Blood Incantation. It doesn't suck.

02:38:03.161 --> 02:38:06.180
John, that's not me being bitchy. Just semi-bitchy.

02:38:07.180 --> 02:38:10.180
Outer Heaven also has members of Tumult in it.

02:38:10.520 --> 02:38:11.020
Very true.

02:38:12.960 --> 02:38:40.980
Lastly, Altaraj. I love this band. I've always listened to this band since their existence. It was today when I was listening to them. The album's called Worst Case Scenario, which is the most simplistic term or simplistic title they've had for an album. Worst Case Scenario to me sounds like a rock band. And these guys are like super intense, complex death metal. But whatever. I don't care. I don't judge. I didn't see that come out.

02:38:41.960 --> 02:39:11.140
Yes, it just came out yesterday. Like, I literally, I didn't even know it was coming out. Yeah, I'll check that out. Which is the best case scenario. Right. John. All right, so the last 28 days has been like heaven for me with all these progressive death bands releasing. John, 28 days or 28 days later? Or outer heaven. Oh, wow. That's a good point. Yeah. My watch just Googled outer heaven for me. Thank you, watch.

02:39:12.020 --> 02:39:41.440
Thank you for letting us know you found it on the web. So we've mentioned a bunch of these already. So Alkaloid, we've talked about. We've talked about Horrendous. We've talked about Tumult. Matt just mentioned Blood Incantation, Luminous and Bridge. It's a two-song maxi single that's 18 and a half minutes long, so it's a double grindcore album. Two songs. One is a very progressive metal song, not too much definite. And the second one is an ambient, not like the time,

02:39:41.940 --> 02:40:08.020
What is it? The EP they put out, I guess. God, I can't even think of the title now. The one they did, the ambient EP that came out last year. It's not like that. It's similar. Zero. Yes, thank you. I couldn't think of it. It's like that, but it's a full band playing with full instrumentation, not just all synths and keyboards and stuff like that. So that's cool. And thank you, Matt, for being bitchy and letting me know about it because I didn't know about it. Wow. Yeah.

02:40:12.619 --> 02:40:41.880
Yeah. Two more. One, Ed mentioned earlier, which I didn't know about this band literally at all until the other day. That's No Spoon Opus, their album that came out earlier this year. I had no idea who this band was, especially a band that has a straight line over the U in their name. And the only reason I know them is because they were announced to play at Prog Power next year on the day two. So I was like, let me check this band out.

02:40:41.940 --> 02:40:43.160
And holy smokes.

02:40:43.990 --> 02:40:45.140
This is a great album.

02:40:45.820 --> 02:40:47.180
I had no idea this was out there.

02:40:47.240 --> 02:40:49.340
They're a prog metal band from North Carolina.

02:40:50.520 --> 02:40:52.580
They sound like they've been in the business for 20 years.

02:40:52.820 --> 02:40:54.180
It sounds very good.

02:40:54.260 --> 02:40:55.220
It's professional sounding.

02:40:55.800 --> 02:41:00.160
It doesn't sound like they're playing off of their influences.

02:41:00.400 --> 02:41:01.380
It's just a great album.

02:41:01.980 --> 02:41:06.300
And I agree with your characterization of the band and the influences they pull from.

02:41:07.260 --> 02:41:11.400
And a quick shout out by two friends that I see at Prog Power now every year.

02:41:11.540 --> 02:41:41.500
Julie and Lance. They come from Cleveland. They comment on our New Music Friday. We spent a lot of the whole time at Prog Power together. We did some day drinking before some sets. It was a lot of fun. We went different places and we watched a lot of shows together and had a great time with them. So I just want to give them a shout out because I made me think of them when I saw this mail and I liked them because it's next year's Prog Power. And then let's see. The other one is the new Tesseract that came out, War of Bane. I like Tesseract, but

02:41:41.540 --> 02:41:42.800
This one is just

02:41:43.720 --> 02:41:45.920
This I think this is her best album so far

02:41:46.340 --> 02:41:48.540
Yeah, they have the genti sound and all that and people get all

02:41:48.920 --> 02:41:52.200
Burned up about that, but I just think this one's better. It's a heavier album

02:41:52.400 --> 02:41:54.420
There's a lot more growling vocals on this

02:41:54.820 --> 02:41:59.700
Which I liked it just the songs are better. So it's cool. Is this the barefoot guy band?

02:42:00.900 --> 02:42:04.520
Yeah, the bass player. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so and it's good. I liked it

02:42:04.580 --> 02:42:08.500
I liked the last album. I think that was my first not the last one the one before that

02:42:08.520 --> 02:42:37.680
was my first time on a year end that made my top 25. And then tons of Prog Power bands because I was just there. So I was listening to a lot of Cynic, Green Carnation, Poverty's No Crime, The Reticent, Swallow the Sun, and Zero Hour. I've been spending those bands a ton to get ready for Prog Power last week. So that's all I got. Nice, John. That's a lot. I'm exhausted. To be clear, I did stalk John at Prog Power. He did. Of course he did.

02:42:38.520 --> 02:43:07.120
He always stalks me. I feel like whenever I go anywhere, I can't do anything. I was not saying, is Matt looking over my shoulder? Is Matt watching me? I'm actually in your living room, John. I always feel like somebody's watching me. All right. My list. What are we listening to? First up is the band Begravement and their first album, Horrific Illusions Beckon. They're from St. Paul, Minnesota. So Matt, they're probably right behind you. Yes.

02:43:08.120 --> 02:43:36.400
So they're behind me then too. Yes. Yes. Stacy told me about this band and I was like, yeah, whatever. And I listened to it and I was like, holy shit. Like she said, this is really good. It's like death and Slayer and a little something else. I started listening to it and I was like, it's just typical death metal, but it's not. You got to get into it. You got to listen to it. It's good. We'll see what happens with them moving forward.

02:43:37.640 --> 02:44:04.300
My second album is the first album by a new band called Empire State Bastard. Oh, yeah. And it is called Rivers of Heresy. And this is two members of the Scottish rock band, Biffy Clyro and Dave Lombardo, of course. So first thing I want to say is, Hannes, you better watch out.

02:44:07.620 --> 02:44:10.020
the other drummer in music.

02:44:11.480 --> 02:44:14.480
He's just picking up the scraps that Hannes didn't play on.

02:44:14.720 --> 02:44:15.120
I don't know.

02:44:15.400 --> 02:44:16.660
It's like Dave is Dave.

02:44:16.780 --> 02:44:18.160
You know Hannes has Germany.

02:44:19.320 --> 02:44:21.000
It was like literally two drummers in the world.

02:44:21.160 --> 02:44:21.480
That's it.

02:44:21.560 --> 02:44:21.880
Exactly.

02:44:22.520 --> 02:44:26.840
But soon there will only be one because Lombardo will conquer Hannes.

02:44:27.600 --> 02:44:28.580
He'll play an alkaloid.

02:44:29.020 --> 02:44:30.680
And he will be the new drummer for alkaloid.

02:44:30.740 --> 02:44:31.820
I guarantee it.

02:44:32.440 --> 02:44:34.000
But Empire State Bastard.

02:44:34.180 --> 02:44:36.620
So I saw this band in Decibel.

02:44:37.360 --> 02:45:07.040
I saw the write-up and I was like, huh, Biffy Clyro, I've heard of these guys. Dave Lombardo, of course I've heard of this guy. Let's check it out. And this album is probably going to be the two-mold upsetter for my album of the month. This band is interesting. It's kind of grindy, which if you know Biffy Clyro, it's like, what, grind? What? So I need to write what,

02:45:07.080 --> 02:45:09.100
I said,

02:45:09.250 --> 02:45:13.300
Empire State Bastard sounds like full of hell for the grind.

02:45:14.460 --> 02:45:19.740
God flesh for some of the more droning do me parts,

02:45:20.160 --> 02:45:23.020
nine inch nails for some of the electronic stuff.

02:45:23.620 --> 02:45:27.040
Manson for more alternative stuff and a little bit of ghost.

02:45:28.380 --> 02:45:30.160
So that that's like crazy.

02:45:30.190 --> 02:45:31.180
Who sounds like that?

02:45:32.260 --> 02:45:33.220
Empire State Bastard.

02:45:33.520 --> 02:45:34.800
Empire State Bastard does.

02:45:35.320 --> 02:46:04.860
And I absolutely love this album. It's Avant Weird Shit. I don't even know what to call it. It's crazy. And if you haven't listened to this, you should. And if you don't like it, you should. But yeah. And this led me to my next item, which is Biffy Clyro. I was like, if I'm going to listen to this, I need to listen to this. And I've heard the name before, but I've never, it's not like a big thing.

02:46:04.940 --> 02:46:34.900
in the middle world, because they're a rock band. And so I went and I investigated and I listened to the album Puzzle, which I think is their fourth album. It's their first album with Roadrunner. Before that, it was like small labels, independent, whatever. Puzzle was their first larger album, but their last album before they hit it big, before they became arena rock, as apparently

02:46:34.940 --> 02:47:03.740
They are known. And it's really cool. I would call it blink 180 Foo. Wow. How long did you spend on that, George? About two seconds. It's really good. It's really good. It's mostly sounds. It sounds kind of like Foo Fighters to me, but there's a little blank in there with some of the punky. Which era of Foo Fighters, though? Any era, honestly. Foo has a sound. And probably mid, early to mid.

02:47:04.000 --> 02:47:32.360
If I have to pick one. Is that the color and the shape area? Yeah. Because that's like the best area. Yeah. For sure. The point is it's catchy as alternative music based on Foo Fighters or Blink-182 would be. Slightly punky, but it's avant whatever that is. Word for the day. It is. But it's totally commercial, which is why they are apparently a big band that I've not been aware is a big band.

02:47:34.020 --> 02:48:03.700
But it's not stupid big. It's like interesting. It's oh wow. Listen to that. That's cool. They did that. That's not like pop music stuff. I think you just named the podcast not stupid big. There you go. Yeah. Sorry, but I don't want to go on too much about a band that's not metal, but I liked it. And there's a whole bunch of albums that I'm looking forward to listening to. I really want to listen to this album. I cherry picked a little before a little after.

02:48:04.020 --> 02:48:33.800
Actually, the early stuff does sound more like Empire State Bastard because there's some screamy stuff. Anyway, let's move on, shall we? I have two more. First of all is the Black Braid, the new Black Braid album that is a couple episodes ago, I'm sure, for everybody else. But I finally got into the second Black Braid album. And yeah, it is good. I can confirm this. So let's move on. Nice of you to catch up, George. Thank you. Yes, I was a little behind. Well, the first album was on the fence.

02:48:34.020 --> 02:49:03.020
me. Okay. I agree. And this one's way better. It is. It is way better. And I was like, oh yeah. Okay. I'm in. And lastly, I didn't think anybody was going to mention it, but Markisan did the new sulfur a on album, seven crowns and seven seals. So fourth album. And I feel like this album is different from the last one. It's more accessible in that the vocals are more upfront.

02:49:04.000 --> 02:49:33.460
I feel a little more I don't know but and I was worried that people weren't gonna like it because of that I'm like oh this is different it's a little more death metal than black metal I think but regardless it's fucking awesome and we're not gonna know because the fucking thing's not coming out exactly exactly by the time it comes out in another month nobody's gonna remember what I said it's November or no October 13th I believe okay Jesus that's still a long ways away exactly nobody's gonna know what I said so

02:49:33.480 --> 02:50:03.340
If they hate it, they're not going to remember. It's cool they set up the promo so early, but I am pretty interested in seeing what people think about it because I love the last record. I love this record. It is different than the one before. Yeah, I wanted to get Jay's opinion because Jay's always been a big fan of them. Next month, I think he's got to move first. Yeah, he'll tell us. Next month, he's going to be available for everything. Yes. He better be anyways. He better fucking be, yeah. What else are you doing? Can't say he's working. All right.

02:50:03.480 --> 02:50:07.360
That brings us to our top five list.

02:50:30.980 --> 02:50:56.420
And this time, we are doing albums that led us to metal. There's a lot of ways you can interpret that. I chose to interpret it one way. But let's see what everybody else decided. Yeah, we'll see what Ed says first. And Ed, being the poor guest, has to go first. So, Ed, what is your number five album that led you to metal?

02:51:01.000 --> 02:51:01.660
for the podcast,

02:51:02.060 --> 02:51:04.260
just to know how to interpret that.

02:51:04.290 --> 02:51:08.400
Cause I didn't want to cause any situation where I'm just bringing in like,

02:51:08.730 --> 02:51:09.980
you mean the Matt situation?

02:51:10.360 --> 02:51:11.500
Matt is the situation,

02:51:12.921 --> 02:51:18.380
but the way that I interpret it and is really to go back and showcase my

02:51:18.640 --> 02:51:19.860
journey into metal.

02:51:20.100 --> 02:51:23.440
So proto metal bands and things that are not,

02:51:23.570 --> 02:51:24.660
I wouldn't consider metal,

02:51:24.820 --> 02:51:25.640
but got me there.

02:51:25.900 --> 02:51:26.000
Yep.

02:51:26.840 --> 02:51:27.420
You're on point.

02:51:28.821 --> 02:51:30.360
So number five,

02:51:30.640 --> 02:52:00.600
I think this one was a big one big influence on me I think I was like what 14 13 Linkin Park hybrid theory it was my first show that I bought and I went to it was called Summer Sanitarium in 2003 John would do the math but I was 14 15 years old yeah Summer Sanitarium I didn't even know Metallica I just went there for Linkin Park imagine that I've discovered on that lineup there was Deftones Mudvayne

02:52:00.640 --> 02:52:30.560
Limp Bizkit, Matt would be happy. And there was Metallica. So I've discovered all of those bands, that whole thing at that show. And that was my official first show. And that's where I guess my journey would start. Right off. Yeah. And a lot of those bands are way better than Michael Park. I love Deathtones, man. That's one of my favorites. I like Hyper Theory way better than Deathtones. Every Deathtones album is better than anything. I like Crosses more than Deathtones, which is surprising. Oh, I love Crosses. It's just, there's something about the voice.

02:52:30.640 --> 02:53:00.600
where I can hear him breathing every second word that kind of annoys me sometimes. Muse does that too. Everything he sings, there's always a... Oh, I forgot about Muse. Yeah. I liked the early albums. Oh, it was good. How old were you again, Ed? 15 years old. What year was this, though? 2003. Shit, I was 35. You're young, Ed. John is 172 years old, but...

02:53:00.640 --> 02:53:27.280
That's okay. He likes to say that, but I'm really not. He's only 120. You don't look a day over 110. Look at that hair, though. His hair is more rare. Gandalf the white. It's only the front, though. The back is all brown. He's a proud wizard. It's the truth. I literally just have it in the front. That's it. I didn't notice that. Because I'm looking at your face. Turn your head. No.

02:53:31.500 --> 02:53:31.960
You'll see.

02:53:31.960 --> 02:53:32.220
That's cool.

02:53:32.380 --> 02:53:33.500
I do like Linkin Park, though.

02:53:33.660 --> 02:53:34.660
There's some songs I like.

02:53:34.660 --> 02:53:39.000
I don't even like everything, but it's a really good gateway band, I think.

02:53:39.220 --> 02:53:39.800
Yeah, totally.

02:53:40.020 --> 02:53:40.340
That's it.

02:53:40.500 --> 02:53:46.100
And there's one thing, like everything that I do, I go back to Hybrid Theory and Meteora even today,

02:53:46.360 --> 02:53:49.380
and I don't like the music as much as I did back in the day, obviously.

02:53:49.980 --> 02:53:52.780
But strip away all the production value of those albums.

02:53:53.120 --> 02:53:56.920
You're left with two random guitars, a bass, and great singing, but that's it.

02:53:57.020 --> 02:53:58.480
Drums that are just boring.

02:53:58.800 --> 02:54:28.740
Like everything is boring, but the amount of production on it, I wish that every band would be able to achieve that level of production in their music. It's just incredible. Yeah. Agreed. He's like you, George. He likes the really excellent production and everything. Yeah, man. Your kindred spirits in that way. Exactly. Not like I like shitty production. I think we all like good production. It depends on the band. I like black metal. They just record it on a fucking. No. I don't know. I like that. That's enough for me.

02:54:28.800 --> 02:54:58.040
I like Misfits and all the old Misfits stuff sounds like crap, but it's good because it's good. All the dancing stuff is not well produced. The solo stuff's not bad compared to the Misfits. Yeah, compared to Misfits. Yeah, that's true. Misfits sound like they were recording a tin can in the garage up my butt. It's weird though. I do enjoy like my favorite type of black metal. Like I want to hear the guy singing and dying right after he finished singing.

02:54:58.820 --> 02:55:28.460
Usually that happens when the microphone is placed two rooms down. And it sounds terrible, but the production is purposefully made that way. So there's art in that. It's not just... Yeah, but it's just that second wave of black metal. Yeah, these days, to have black metal that sounds like that, you have to work for that. Because with digital recording being what it is, it's not going to sound like that unless you make it sound like that. I love that perspective. I love it. It's true. Everything gets cleaned up automatically. You have to actually work.

02:55:28.480 --> 02:55:57.860
I was like to stop that from happening. Yeah, no, I mean, I do digital recording and I'm like, I need to make this sound more dirty, you know? Dirty, dirty death. Excited. Dirty, dirty. All right, well, that was a good pick. I guess it's my turn. This was fucking tough because I just feel like there are quite a few albums that helped me move towards extreme metal. So for me, I tried to pick.

02:55:58.480 --> 02:56:28.300
Five albums that are important to me, but also representative of my musical state of mind at the time. So I'm starting with the first album, I think, that led me on the path to extreme metal. And then each pick after that is like the next stage towards getting to that. Sure. So it's more of a chronological countdown from Teen Son to Jackhammer, which was my college nickname, as you guys know.

02:56:28.460 --> 02:56:56.680
Of course. Everybody knows. Oh, I know it from experience. Number five for me is I thought about these over and over. I can't tell you how many times I had albums. I had to switch them out. Sailor Biscuit, Sailor Biscuit. Nope, nope, nope. It's a little bit earlier than that, George. Not quite John's age, but I'm a little bit, a little older. So it's Def Leppard, Hysteria. Oh, you missed it by one. 1987.

02:56:57.960 --> 02:57:27.860
On Phonogram Records, listen, my road to extreme metal definitely started with hard rock and glam metal. And I remember listening to bands like Poison, Bon Jovi, Cinderella, Europe, with my buddy Dave Marshall at his house in the late 80s. But the album I loved the most was Def Leppard's Hysteria. And listen to it now, it sounds like pop rock to me. Oh, it is. Back then, but back then though, dude,

02:57:27.960 --> 02:57:57.900
It was so much heavier of a band than what I was used to listening to because I was into like R&B, Motown, jazz. Like Ed was talking about, all the bands that I listened to, the stuff I liked before this was my dad's stuff. He was into that. He had records on vinyl. I would ask him questions and he would give me that stuff. So Def Leppard had this heavier sound than I was used to, but it was also singable.

02:57:57.960 --> 02:58:27.200
which is what I really liked about like old Motown bands and stuff. Yeah. And I fucking belted out those jams. And I think Def Leppard, that album in particular, had like seven number one songs or some crazy shit like that. But the, oh, go ahead, George. I brought Hysteria into my high school on vinyl and used it. So I had a speech class in like 10th grade and you had to do a demonstration speech.

02:58:27.340 --> 02:58:56.660
So I brought in my entire music system, which in the eighties was like this big old like dual cassette and vinyl thing with speakers. Cause you had to have speakers. Nothing was fucking Bluetooth or shit back then. Yeah. I brought all this shit into my speech class and played hysteria backwards. Oh, I showed how to do back masking. I had some more heavier stuff, like some Lizzie Borden.

02:58:57.340 --> 02:59:27.160
something else. But Hysteria has a couple of backwards messages on it. Interesting. I didn't know that, I don't think. Yeah, it's on, uh, what is it? Uh, gods of war, I think. Oh, that makes it so much more metal. But, or maybe not. Cause I remember the message was we've been fighting with the gods of war. Might be on Armageddon. Maybe. I don't know, but I don't remember. But that was 30 fucking however many years ago. But yeah. It's 36 years ago. Yeah.

02:59:27.340 --> 02:59:55.960
And I was there because I was alive. And that's awesome, George. The other thing that I wanted to mention about this album was that that year, glam metal bands really exploded. And there were videos for their songs that were played heavily in MTV, which something that was something I watched a lot of. And 1987 was also the first year of Headbangers Ball. Hell yeah. 90 fucking percent of the stuff on there was glam metal.

02:59:56.900 --> 03:00:26.760
So, of course, as it went along, there was much heavier bands. Creator. That got Airplay on there. But in 87, I started watching that show because I was into these kind of like hair bands, glam metal bands. And it would introduce me to some really important bands and albums that started my shift from Shit Like. Not shit, because I still like it, but artists like Stevie Wonder, like Bobby Brown, and something like that that I was listening to before then. Hey, ain't no problem with Stevie Wonder.

03:00:26.900 --> 03:00:56.500
No, I love that stuff still. I love Bobby Brown. It was the shift to heavier guitar-based music with these kind of glam metal bands that started my journey. All right. Matt. So my list, I would also describe as chronological. And I would also say that for my first two picks, I had a cousin, Ryan, who really got me, an older cousin, who really got me into what I'm about to listen to.

03:00:56.560 --> 03:01:26.360
And interestingly enough, I had a chance to chat with him this past May. And it was kind of funny, like, metal has become my life, whereas the person who got me into metal, it's definitely not the same for him. Like, he still likes metal, but he's definitely not, like, a devout and, like, hopeless metalhead like myself. He also had a friend who was in a band with the bass player from Agaloc called Victimized by Gypsies. And I remember the night reading U.S. Black Metal, the book, and literally,

03:01:26.580 --> 03:01:56.540
sitting up in bed just about to scream like you guys victimize my gypsies anyways my pick the band is kiss the album is love gun oh he he put it on a cassette tape for me and i took it home the song that stands out to me the most is plaster caster while there are many other really good hits on that album yeah that's the one i always think about plaster wieners what year is this oh gosh is that 70s or is it early 80s

03:01:57.380 --> 03:02:26.020
70s. 70s. 70s? Like later 70s? Yeah, all too. 76? 77? I think. It was like, Destroyer was like, what, 75? 74, 75. The pen wasn't even a twinkle. I was going to say. No, it was the birth of the pen. 12 years away. Jesus. All right. John. So my first two picks are going to be subgenres that got me into those subgenres. And my picks.

03:02:26.580 --> 03:02:55.760
One, Two, and Three will be actually bands that got me into heavier music. So it's going to go to the Wayback Machine. I can't wait to hear these picks from 1847. This is going to be great. 1947, not 1847. No, 1847. That was Lincoln's first album. Not that old. You should respect your elders. Anyway, so to go with extreme metal, because it took me a while to catch up.

03:02:56.560 --> 03:03:26.300
I was way behind, but it's cliche now to say this because this is a lot of prog fans will go point to this album, but it definitely made a change. That was Opus Blackwater Park in 2001. That one got me into more extreme metal. I was obviously listening to tons of metal, but not extreme. And now I don't find it as extreme as other bands, but it got me started. So. Was that your first Opus album? Wow. This is later than I expected.

03:03:26.640 --> 03:03:55.620
Yeah, I got orchid when it came out. Yeah, I was behind. Yeah, so I was, I think I definitely was. I probably am sure that's the case for most of us. Time and place when it just, they skirted by. Yeah. And I only found out because Steve Wilson produced the album. So I was like, let me listen to this. First time through, I just like, music's cool. I hate the vocals. Because I wasn't big on the harsh vocals. Second time through, I was like, yeah, they're not that bad, the vocals. Third time through, this might be my new favorite band.

03:03:56.580 --> 03:03:57.580
It only took three listens

03:03:57.950 --> 03:04:00.180
So is your list going from like

03:04:00.520 --> 03:04:01.800
the first time you heard

03:04:01.880 --> 03:04:02.860
really got into metal?

03:04:03.440 --> 03:04:06.320
No, the first two are subgenres

03:04:06.920 --> 03:04:07.360
Subgenres

03:04:07.400 --> 03:04:08.200
So I mixed mine up

03:04:08.320 --> 03:04:10.620
Then the first or the last three

03:04:10.840 --> 03:04:12.620
will be from when I was a kid

03:04:13.000 --> 03:04:13.720
Oh, I gotcha

03:04:13.740 --> 03:04:15.140
Yeah, so I mixed mine

03:04:15.220 --> 03:04:16.720
I like how it's a different

03:04:17.420 --> 03:04:17.920
take for everybody

03:04:18.460 --> 03:04:18.640
Yeah

03:04:19.300 --> 03:04:20.360
And I told people

03:04:20.410 --> 03:04:21.620
I was like, you can go either way

03:04:21.670 --> 03:04:22.080
You can

03:04:22.720 --> 03:04:23.860
Because I thought about going

03:04:23.940 --> 03:04:25.279
like, what's my first

03:04:25.540 --> 03:04:55.240
the band that got me to death metal. What's the band that got me to black metal? But I didn't go that way. No, and I like that, George, because everybody's journey is a little bit different. So you want to tell it a little bit different. I could give you five hard rock bands from when I was a kid, but what's the point? That's what I did. Thanks. Not including Journey. Yeah. I don't want to stop believing that, but I realized we're all going to go our separate ways.

03:04:57.340 --> 03:04:59.000
I love Journey so much.

03:05:00.399 --> 03:05:03.460
You weren't complaining when I was loving, touching, and squeezing, George.

03:05:04.460 --> 03:05:05.000
Why would he?

03:05:06.640 --> 03:05:08.680
I need a Journey song right now.

03:05:09.680 --> 03:05:10.460
Any way you want it.

03:05:11.440 --> 03:05:14.180
I understand that you're faithfully trying to do what you're...

03:05:14.939 --> 03:05:16.660
I come to you with open arms, all right?

03:05:16.800 --> 03:05:17.220
All right.

03:05:17.980 --> 03:05:19.340
All right, we need to stop right now.

03:05:20.000 --> 03:05:22.240
What do you mean, don't stop believing, though, John?

03:05:23.240 --> 03:05:23.680
I agree.

03:05:24.320 --> 03:05:54.120
Because I'm stoned in love. Which stoned in love is a badass song, by the way. So all of mine are hard rock albums leading to metal. And my number five is Quiet Riot Metal Health. Oh, that's a good pick. I was in sixth grade when this album came out. What year? 1983, I believe. High school. Sixth grade, old man.

03:05:54.340 --> 03:06:24.280
And this was an album that just, I was like, holy shit. Honestly, there's really only two hits on here. Come on, Feel the Noise and Metal Health. Yeah, but Metal Health was so good. Yeah, but then there's like Slick Black Cadillac. There's a couple other good ones on there, but this was like, this is metal. Okay. All right. And they were heavy for those LA bands. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they were heavy. So this was something that drew me into, I was like, all right, this is metal.

03:06:24.840 --> 03:06:25.480
Okay, I like this.

03:06:26.540 --> 03:06:28.680
And it's part of the Randy Rhodes family.

03:06:28.920 --> 03:06:29.340
Exactly.

03:06:30.520 --> 03:06:33.320
Marcus had to turn off his camera to...

03:06:33.960 --> 03:06:34.920
Take his pants off.

03:06:35.100 --> 03:06:35.720
I don't know.

03:06:37.180 --> 03:06:39.680
He is muting himself, so who knows what's going on back there.

03:06:41.200 --> 03:06:41.640
All right.

03:06:42.120 --> 03:06:44.160
Number four, Ed.

03:06:44.960 --> 03:06:47.380
Yeah, so I had a hard time ranking all of these.

03:06:48.460 --> 03:06:52.820
But I think, you know, so Linkin Park was my number five pick

03:06:52.840 --> 03:07:22.200
because that's the first time I heard some heavy music, but it's still a first chorus kind of situation, right? And it has singing. Number four, I would go with Rammstein. I didn't grow up with MTV at all, but we had much loud music, much loud on TV. And they only showed maybe, I don't know, Godsmack, Metallica, and Rammstein. And I caught that. And I think it's still the heaviest guitar sound I've ever heard.

03:07:22.840 --> 03:07:52.540
Is that the Duhast album? It is the Duhast album, yeah. It's the one with Angel as well. That's the one that got a lot of airplay and went into movies. You know, like the power of simple riffs and the heaviness of the whole songs, the keyboards. There's no vocals per se. He's not an amazing, Till is not an amazing singer by any means, but the whole music is making the music. The vocals are just maybe my first, I would go with the first proto growling.

03:07:52.820 --> 03:08:22.760
I guess that's where I would go for. So yeah, number four, Rammstein's Endsucht. Nice. Yeah. You gotta love a German, like, it's not exactly metal, but it's industrial too. Yeah. For kids like me, you can't really undermine the power that band had with the sound. This was probably the heaviest thing in the world for us. Sure. Yeah, they were heavy as fuck. Yeah. All right, Markeson, number four. I'm not a huge fan of Rammstein,

03:08:22.820 --> 03:08:51.900
But you know what? I've gone to see them live and holy shit, that is fun. The fire, just the performance, just everything about it was really good. Made me more of a fan of the band. I feel like their music is a little too simple for me, but I don't know. Simple music is good music. But the performance, you know how it is. Sometimes you watch a band live and you're like, oh, I get something here that I did not before. So that's really cool. And I know a lot of people who've gotten into metal through that.

03:08:51.960 --> 03:09:21.200
That's a good pick. All right. So number four for me, we're going to 1990. Whoa. On Columbia Records. I wasn't even in college yet. Alice in Chains, Facelift. So I mentioned MTV last time around and the song Man in the Box got a lot of love on MTV. And that's how I first heard the band. Maybe it was on Headbangers Ball. Maybe it was 120 minutes.

03:09:21.940 --> 03:09:35.320
But that song led me to the album Facelift, which of course I love. It also led me to all the Seattle bands like Pearl Jam, Mother Love Bone, Soundgarden, Mud Honey, Nirvana.

03:09:35.680 --> 03:09:36.680
Oh, you're killing me.

03:09:37.800 --> 03:09:50.580
I mean, yeah. Alice was the catalyst for that period of musical exploration in my life. So I think it's a good representative, even though I flirted with putting some of these other Seattle bands on the list.

03:09:50.600 --> 03:10:17.700
But I wanted to go with the first one that kind of kicked it off for me. You like Mudhoney? Yeah, man. I loved all those bands. Nice. Yeah, I saw them once. Yeah, I've seen them too. So I think without that heavy alternative rock of the 90s, I probably wouldn't have gotten to metal because that's like metal, of course, is number one for me. But right behind that is 90s rock. I listen to that a ton still.

03:10:20.620 --> 03:10:50.540
when I kicked off and it's thanks to MTV, which is hugely, obviously, influential on me because they had the video. I don't think I would, what have you ever heard of this band if not for that? Yeah. Nice. That's a great pick. All right. Thanks. Maddie. Okay. So again, my cousin made me a tape of this album. We're going to replace you with him now, right? Yeah, I know. And the first song on this album, it immediately,

03:10:50.660 --> 03:10:56.340
became my favorite song for this band. And last summer I had a chance to see Stephen

03:10:56.580 --> 03:11:03.640
Piercy play live with the song Wanted Man. This album is Rat Out of the Cellar.

03:11:06.001 --> 03:11:18.080
That is wow. That to me is wow. Okay. When that I'm sorry, but when that album came out, I fricking, fricking, I fricking.

03:11:20.681 --> 03:11:47.840
I fucking freaking lost my mind to that album. It's like turducken but with metal. Nice John Madden reference there. Yeah no out of the cellar amazing. Still an album that I go to probably at least once a year. I love rat. They were around and round. Shut up.

03:11:49.080 --> 03:12:18.940
I was hoping to get some more new metal by now, but I guess it's coming. I guess it's coming. Yeah. Or is it? Or is it? All right, John. Be honest, Matt. Be honest. So my number four now is going to be the album that got me into prog metal again, behind the times. I was late. My, my period of college and into my grad school work. I just didn't venture as much into,

03:12:19.080 --> 03:12:48.620
But in 1994, I heard an album that changed everything. And it was because I came to see my friend in Virginia who drank 11 out of the 12 beers in his 12 pack that night. I had the other one. And he hung all the beers on his Christmas tree, all the empty cans, which I thought was amazing. And he's basically the closest thing I'll ever get to a brother. So this is a thank you out to my buddy, Rich.

03:12:49.060 --> 03:13:18.400
But it is Dream Theater's Awake. I got hooked on that opening of 6 o'clock in the morning. Or 6 a.m. I was just like, whoa, what is this? That's like heavy guitars, like Metallica, but like all this proggy shit going on. So you weren't even able to pull me under yet. No, I just, like I said, I had to circle back on a lot of stuff. There was a lot going on. I know everything before you. I'm really surprised.

03:13:18.500 --> 03:13:48.160
I really thought John was in the metal earlier. And this is a revelation for me. No, this is just those two subgenres. Yes. I was in the metal, trust me. I was. Subgenres. Just these two subgenres. Nice. Now I'll go old school with my next three picks. I'm going old school. I'm going old school with this next pick and there's nobody here to hear it. I think Dream, I think Falling Into Infinity was the first. In 97? Yeah.

03:13:48.480 --> 03:14:18.360
Yes. I don't think I got in a dream theater until then. Images and words, bitches. Images and words. Yeah, that thing fucking blew up. But anyway, George, your pick to the three of us. My number four. Long pause for Ed to get his headphones back in. Yeah, because that's too bitchy. My number four is ACDC Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Chief. Nice. So this is something that I heard on the school.

03:14:19.141 --> 03:14:48.320
was the title track for this song. And to be honest, I thought it was Dirty Deeds, Dunder Jeep. Everybody did. Okay. But I was like, all right, I like this Dunder Jeep. What can you tell me about this? And then call back to Ed, Columbia House record and tape, whatever. I was like, what can I pick? I don't know.

03:14:48.460 --> 03:14:50.440
ACDC, Dirty Deeds, Dunder, Cheap.

03:14:51.200 --> 03:14:55.380
And I got that and it was like, oh, you know.

03:14:56.480 --> 03:15:00.280
It was definitely an early album that led me towards heavier things.

03:15:01.260 --> 03:15:03.200
But what's the best song on the album, though?

03:15:04.260 --> 03:15:05.560
I've got big balls.

03:15:06.200 --> 03:15:06.820
That's wonderful.

03:15:07.600 --> 03:15:10.600
Actually, I would say my favorite is probably Ride On.

03:15:12.059 --> 03:15:14.420
I was going to say, for me, it's Problem Child.

03:15:14.920 --> 03:15:15.120
Okay.

03:15:15.700 --> 03:15:15.820
Okay.

03:15:16.560 --> 03:15:16.700
Yes.

03:15:17.060 --> 03:15:46.860
That is absolutely an amazing song. Dirty Deeds, Big Balls, because who doesn't want to have big balls? Problem Child, and yeah, right on. Well, Jailbreak on the Australian. Medium-sized balls are fine, I think. Medium-sized balls are good, but big balls are better. You know. You don't want them enlarged too much. That doesn't sound good. That's called elephantitis. Yeah. Quite Right was my last one, but ACDC was really the beginning.

03:15:47.080 --> 03:15:47.400
for everything.

03:15:48.319 --> 03:15:49.180
That's a good pick.

03:15:49.560 --> 03:15:50.500
Makes perfect sense.

03:15:50.700 --> 03:15:52.240
And a metal journey there, George.

03:15:52.840 --> 03:15:52.980
Yep.

03:15:53.460 --> 03:15:53.800
It's funny.

03:15:53.900 --> 03:15:56.820
My first experience with ACDC was Ball Breaker.

03:15:57.200 --> 03:15:57.460
Nah.

03:15:58.380 --> 03:15:59.460
Sorry about that, by the way.

03:16:00.020 --> 03:16:02.980
If we go into the ACDC talk, man, that was a huge band for me, too.

03:16:03.500 --> 03:16:03.660
Yeah.

03:16:03.820 --> 03:16:04.020
Wow.

03:16:04.460 --> 03:16:04.540
Yeah.

03:16:04.680 --> 03:16:06.860
I kind of didn't think of it on my top five.

03:16:07.060 --> 03:16:07.300
Bonus.

03:16:08.220 --> 03:16:09.300
Definitely a bonus in there.

03:16:09.480 --> 03:16:09.580
Yeah.

03:16:09.780 --> 03:16:15.640
I think this is the hardest top five because I feel like I could do at least 10 albums

03:16:15.660 --> 03:16:45.440
that really got me on the journey. So it was tough to get it down to five. If I gave you my list from when I was a kid, it's easily 50 albums. It's crazy. And maybe two or three are metal albums. But they lead to metal. All right, so number three, Ed. So Blinking Bark, number five. Number four was Rammstein. I got to understand.

03:16:45.660 --> 03:17:15.580
and heavy guitars and fall in love with that sound. Number three would be Ozzy Osbourne, Osmosis. Wow. Yeah, that was my kind of ticket to the whole world. Retrospectively, looking back, it has Geezer Butler on the bass. So that kind of tied me into the whole Black Sabbath thing. Zach Wild on guitar. Every guitar player wanted to play those riffs, which is like the screeching thing. It has, hey, it has Rick Wakeman.

03:17:15.640 --> 03:17:42.260
on Mellotron. Hell yeah. So that was a familiar sound for me already. And I was like, oh, that's pretty cool. So that ties me back into yes and that whole world. And apparently Steve Vai was also credited on it too. And I remember going through the CD credits and seeing that, who are these people? And started going on this journey of discovery, which brought me through to Steve Vai, Rick Wakeman,

03:17:45.660 --> 03:17:46.840
who Perry Mason was.

03:17:48.119 --> 03:17:50.760
And there's a Journey connection on that album too.

03:17:51.340 --> 03:17:51.480
Yeah.

03:17:51.900 --> 03:17:53.680
Dean Castronova was the drummer.

03:17:54.900 --> 03:17:56.900
Yeah, see, I didn't even know.

03:17:57.460 --> 03:17:57.900
There you go.

03:17:58.120 --> 03:17:58.700
This is very cool.

03:17:59.100 --> 03:18:01.300
He's been a drummer and singer in Journey for years.

03:18:02.440 --> 03:18:02.880
Right on.

03:18:03.240 --> 03:18:04.320
So it comes back to Journey.

03:18:04.940 --> 03:18:06.240
So there's a Journey to Journey.

03:18:06.360 --> 03:18:06.720
Nice.

03:18:07.560 --> 03:18:08.260
It comes back to Journey.

03:18:08.420 --> 03:18:08.740
Very cool.

03:18:09.020 --> 03:18:10.320
We got to escape that right now.

03:18:10.620 --> 03:18:10.800
Yeah.

03:18:11.260 --> 03:18:12.640
Or we'll be there for an infinity.

03:18:13.000 --> 03:18:42.800
I really like this top five because it's some great albums, but also just really sheds a lot of light on where we came from, how we got here to the Meadowlands podcast. Our meager beginnings. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. All right, Markisan, give us more of your meager. Here, let's, let us go back. 1992. Huge year for me because there were some seminal albums that came out. Stone Temple Pilots' Core, Body Count, Helmets,

03:18:43.000 --> 03:19:12.140
Meantime, Dirt by Alice in Chains. But the album that I'm picking for number three that was really big for me, Danzig, How the Gods Kill. How the Gods Kill. Wow. On American Recordings. Yeah, there was a kid, I'm in high school, there was a kid in my English class who wore the Danzig skull shirt, this shirt, but I don't think it had Danzig. I think it just had the skull on it. And whenever I saw that, I was like, what the fuck is that?

03:19:13.000 --> 03:19:42.920
I had to come up to him, ask him about it. And he was more than happy to tell me all about Danzig because at that time, there wasn't a lot of people in my high school that were listening to Danzig. And when I did ask him in around that 92 period, maybe 91 or something, how the God's Kill was about to come out. He told me about Danzig. I did listen to the first two records, but I was more excited for the new one to come out because you know how it is. You just feel like you want to get in.

03:19:42.980 --> 03:19:46.780
on something new that somebody hasn't heard before even though i was late to the party

03:19:47.580 --> 03:19:56.280
and it is my favorite dancing album i love it i played it non-stop as soon as it came out and i still play it

03:19:56.780 --> 03:20:01.480
i'm sorry that you haven't heard lucifuge but that's okay no like i said i listened to the first two albums before

03:20:02.120 --> 03:20:08.801
love all of them i love a lot of them but for some reason this one stuck i know how i know how it works yeah

03:20:09.619 --> 03:20:38.760
And it's considered a metal record, but it's a lighter form of metal. I wouldn't call it extreme metal. No. Yeah, it was a big one. And I think really the whole aesthetic of it, I was already wearing a lot of black. I wore a black trench coat when I was in high school, like all throughout it. But it mostly was because of comics. I love the series Punisher. Oh, yeah. I would wear comic shirts and stuff like that. And I was in the band and things like that. But when I saw that burned skulls, I was like, I need to know what that is.

03:20:39.740 --> 03:21:08.220
So I like the idea of metal and just the darkness of it where I really wasn't as exposed to it prior to that. That was something that I had already started to gravitate towards. And this is an album that kind of brought me more into that. Yeah. So I want to use this moment to tell my dancing story. Do it. In the mid to late 80s, John,

03:21:08.420 --> 03:21:38.160
left the fucking room. Fuck you, John. Fuck this, I'm getting my beer. This is my time. So in the mid to late 80s, my first job was as a bagger at a Kroger when I was 15. Oh, wow. I was a bagger slash like cart boy bitch. And at this time, I was listening to Metallica and Slayer.

03:21:38.420 --> 03:22:08.340
and Testament and Testament and Motorhead and things like that. And as a young lad, Will, I, there was a girl that worked at the Kroger that I was, I fancied. And she wore a lot of Misfits shirts. And I was like, what is this Misfits you speak of? And so I went and listened to some Misfits and I was like, yeah, it's all right. But then the first Danzig album,

03:22:08.420 --> 03:22:37.560
came out. And I was like, oh, that's the guy from the Misfits. I should check this out because I like this chick. Okay. It's all about a girl. And so I picked up the first Danzig album because I was trying to like, you know, making some inroads on it. And, and, uh, I was like, ah, this is pretty good. You know, this is different from Misfits. This is a little more metal. And that was what got like, Hey baby.

03:22:38.420 --> 03:23:08.300
Do you want to find hell with me? Exactly. Actually, I don't think I ever even intimated anything because I was too scared to. But the point is that she got me into Danzig and Misfits. And I found out when I went to Michigan this summer that she died like this last year. That sucks. Because one of my friends worked with me there with her and he knew her. And he was like, oh,

03:23:08.420 --> 03:23:38.200
Yeah, she died last year. I was like, oh my God. That's fucked up. Yeah, but anyway, she's the reason I got another Miss Fitz and Danzig. That's the fucking saddest story ever. Thanks a lot for that, George. I know, right? That escalated. It did. It did. It went from like teen, like nice stuff to like death really fast. I'm sorry. Sounds like a Danzig song. You know what's good about it, though? There's a legacy that she's involved with and that she helps you on your path.

03:23:38.400 --> 03:23:39.640
She was instrumental

03:23:40.440 --> 03:23:42.000
In both punk and metal

03:23:42.240 --> 03:23:43.940
because she got me into Misfits

03:23:44.100 --> 03:23:45.140
which is a very punk thing

03:23:45.300 --> 03:23:46.620
and into other punk things

03:23:46.740 --> 03:23:47.320
and then dancing

03:23:47.620 --> 03:23:48.980
so thank you

03:23:49.540 --> 03:23:51.580
It's so weird when you hear about

03:23:51.960 --> 03:23:53.500
people that you grew up with

03:23:53.580 --> 03:23:55.020
that have passed away

03:23:55.260 --> 03:23:57.360
and clearly they're not that old

03:23:58.639 --> 03:24:00.900
So yeah, it's happened a number of times

03:24:01.060 --> 03:24:02.980
even people like I wasn't that close to

03:24:02.980 --> 03:24:04.980
but you still feel something about it

03:24:05.060 --> 03:24:08.380
Wow, anything can happen at any time

03:24:08.380 --> 03:24:37.680
Yeah. You just go. Anyways. All right. Matt. Sorry to make you follow that again. Oh, yeah. Matt's next because I went. Because George had a completely aside story there. Sorry. He did. A good one. A good one. It was very good. Unfortunately, I cannot top that or will I change the pace of where we're at right now? Because my number three, I remember being in second grade and screaming the lyrics to one of the main songs off this album.

03:24:37.760 --> 03:24:43.960
On the playground, I think the song is titled You Give Love a Bad Name.

03:24:46.119 --> 03:24:50.360
Flippery Went Wet by Bon Jovi.

03:24:55.040 --> 03:24:56.980
You know, that song makes me think of the school bus.

03:24:58.140 --> 03:24:59.000
It's great.

03:24:59.370 --> 03:25:03.720
I remember hearing that on the school bus for the first time and getting off the school bus going,

03:25:04.000 --> 03:25:06.240
Yeah, man, you give love a bad name.

03:25:06.640 --> 03:25:06.760
Yeah.

03:25:07.400 --> 03:25:36.440
Man, I love Slippery Room Wet, but New Jersey is really the one that I love. I know all the songs by heart on that, which is insane. They're so good. That falls into the whole Def Leppard category for me, because once I got that, you just fell into that hole. Fill that hole. All right, John. Fill that hole. Man. Please. This is unreal. For those of us who are actually young adults during this,

03:25:36.860 --> 03:25:38.280
It's just really hard to hear this

03:25:39.460 --> 03:25:39.900
Wow

03:25:40.460 --> 03:25:40.660
Alright

03:25:41.320 --> 03:25:42.880
Some people weren't even born then

03:25:44.180 --> 03:25:45.020
So let's

03:25:45.960 --> 03:25:47.760
All these next three albums all

03:25:48.060 --> 03:25:50.060
I got into them roughly around the same age

03:25:51.500 --> 03:25:52.760
And I will start with

03:25:52.900 --> 03:25:54.620
And they're all cliche bands at this point

03:25:54.800 --> 03:25:57.140
Because I'm going in the super way back machine

03:25:57.360 --> 03:25:58.460
So yeah I might have

03:25:58.770 --> 03:25:59.040
You know

03:26:00.260 --> 03:26:02.160
I've been in colonial America at this point

03:26:02.560 --> 03:26:02.640
So

03:26:03.480 --> 03:26:04.060
And it's

03:26:04.480 --> 03:26:05.520
They're somewhat obvious

03:26:05.520 --> 03:26:34.020
But I can't help but bring these three bands out because I could literally name about 50 albums between 1979 and 1983 that were so influential. It's still my favorite period of music. Just do it. I'm going to do it. And it's been so cliche because it's already been discussed on a different podcast. But my number three is Led Zeppelin 4. I mean, the song Black Dog is so heavy.

03:26:37.859 --> 03:27:04.180
Everything about it, I was like, man, I want something heavy like this or more. And then when the levee breaks, it's just so big and massive sounding. So that's the first of my very early 12 years old when I started getting into this stuff. And it was on the radio constantly. It still is today, but back then they were just, what, not even a couple of years removed or one year removed from their last album.

03:27:05.120 --> 03:27:33.620
I was expecting Vanilla Fudge or something like that. Led Zeppelin is not that far removed. I think that Vanilla Fudge got them on tour and that's where Led Zeppelin became popular. Yeah. And then Carmine taught Jon Bonham everything. Yeah. Funny story. I played bass. Carmine, the piece and his brother, they did a Drum Wars tour. They needed a bass player. So that was one of my big highlights. You played with them? Yeah. Those guys were cool. What?

03:27:34.240 --> 03:28:03.860
Yeah. So we played like Rod Stewart and all sorts of stuff. We played some Dio. So that's awesome. Completely. That was like a checklist of bucket list right there. Yeah. How did that come to be? So Sylvain Eau Claire, my singer, he offered me a job at a music studio for a practice, a practice place. And I heard through a promoter back then I was playing with my black metal thing. And that promoter was like, Hey, I have this crazy idea.

03:28:04.300 --> 03:28:34.060
is coming in town and they need a bunch of musicians. Can you learn this songs? And the only reason I'm asking you is because you have access to this like rehearsal space. So we got into rehearsal space. The singer was not good for the gig. It's Ronnie James Dio and they were expecting something soaring highs and stuff like that. This singer, we needed to down tune pretty much everything. Great singer, but blues guy. So they were just about to quit it until the promoter himself started singing. And he's like,

03:28:34.240 --> 03:29:04.220
I'm good in karaoke so why not and they kept him so that he saved the day by just playing singing karaoke stuff um yeah and I got the gig and we traveled and we toured and they gave me like all sorts of like stories really cool guys really generous for their time too that's awesome yeah Carmine and Vinny both totally different people yeah uh the car last names even though it's spelled the same yeah but they did it because they don't know they don't know themselves so

03:29:04.240 --> 03:29:33.340
We're not taking chances. The legacy must go on. I asked. It's really funny. Yeah, but they were probably just as old as you, John. A little older. So we were in a hotel room just before a gig, and they get their pills, and they get their thing. We looked at them like rock stars until we saw that day, and they look at us looking at them, and they're like, yeah, this is the good stuff. So funny. So funny. Nice. Is it me? Yes, it's me.

03:29:33.460 --> 03:30:03.120
All right, my number three is Twisted Sister, Stay Hungry. When this album came out, it changed everything. You know? I mean, it was glam, but not glam. It was heavy, but not as heavy as what was going to come. But at the time, it freaking blew my mind. And Dee Snider was,

03:30:03.180 --> 03:30:32.920
and still is one of my favorite singers slash icons of music to today. And one of my go-to moments in history is when I saw him at Jack's with what they did. Wasn't Twisted Sister. It was wrecked. Something wrecked brother or something like that. It was a play on the name Twisted Sister. And John knows Jack's is a teeny little fucking.

03:30:33.200 --> 03:31:02.600
Hole in the Wall Place. And I was right up on the stage and Dee Snider was singing and whipping that blonde mane of hair and just beating me with his hair. And I'm just like, beat me with your hair, Dee Snider. You know, it was one of the greatest moments I've ever had in music. So absolutely one of the bands that got me into harder music and beyond. So back to you, Ed, number two.

03:31:03.340 --> 03:31:32.800
With Me With Your Hair, Dee Snider should be the title of the episode. Remember that, Mark. We've kind of shit to the titles already. So number two is a product of my generation, I think. It's Nightwish Wishmaster. And there's a reason for it. Basically, Kaza and Napster and all that stuff appeared. And people like myself, we started using it, searching for stuff. The thing is, when you write something,

03:31:32.980 --> 03:32:01.880
When you write Wishmaster, and I can guarantee you, I was probably looking for the Wishmaster, like 1997 movie with Robert England or something like that. And Nightwish came out and I'm like, Wishmaster, that sounds about right. You download that. And it was just one song, took three days to download. And it wasn't Nightwish at the end of it all. It was some band that's obscure that you don't know about, that doesn't have a name. In retrospect,

03:32:03.000 --> 03:32:32.880
Searching for the Nightwish music led me to finding Camelot, Rhapsody, Bad Guy, I'm pretty sure. All those like power metal bands, which were, which was my, when I started being passionate about power metal, passionate about metal, I went through the power metal phase because it's extremely accessible. Sonata Artica has the fastest double pedal back in the day, super cheesy vocals and super accessible.

03:32:33.000 --> 03:33:01.620
stuff. So Nightwish, Wishmaster, that whole story, because of that album and because of that song, it opened the floodgates to a lot of these bands. Great story. I just saw Camelot the other day. It's so good. I've seen him a bunch of times at Prog Power. I miss Roy Kahn, obviously. I think that's my nostalgia kicking in, but everything they did is great. Yeah, Roy's awesome. I've seen him with Conception twice. They're awesome.

03:33:03.000 --> 03:33:31.900
How many fog powers have you been to? All? Every one but one. I missed them before. So I've been to 21 and 22. Damn. And I'm pissed that I missed the fourth one. Why did you miss it? It's a long story. But I ended up not getting my shit together to go. But I bought my gold badge for it. I just didn't end up making it. I'm pissed because Pagan's Mind made their first appearance there. Oh, wow. Oh, yeah. I would have liked to have seen them on their first time. Yeah.

03:33:32.980 --> 03:34:02.800
Well, you didn't. Oof. It's a sore spot for John. Don't get out of him about it. No. Yeah, Symphony X played there, too, again. And I like Symphony X. I'm trying to think of what it was played. I have to look at it. I miss a lot of bands. I'm pissed about it. It was probably the best prog power ever, but John wasn't there. No, they didn't. Why don't you? It was not the best prog power ever. No. I think it might have been. But we don't know, because you weren't there. Yeah, but the year before. I want to go to one of these.

03:34:03.000 --> 03:34:32.580
I went to one. The time that I saw Blind Guardian the first time ever, I'd never seen even a thousand people go that crazy for a band. I was just like, who is this band? Why have I missed out on them? They were there when I went. You saw what the place was like during that. They're a festival favorite. I love Blind Guardian. And I'm not a power metal fan, but I love them. Oh, yeah. They're amazing. All right. Where are we? Marcus.

03:34:35.160 --> 03:35:02.960
So, I mean, I've talked about this from the very first Metalheads podcast episode, which by the way, boys, I forgot to mention this earlier. Monday is my five-year anniversary on the Metalheads podcast. So I should get a dartboard or I don't know, like piece of fancy cheese, something. Here's some fancy cheese for you. Yeah. What do I get for 10? You don't get anything because you still get it.

03:35:04.861 --> 03:35:11.680
I just give that's the thing so for me my journey is a little bit different

03:35:11.980 --> 03:35:18.760
because I grew up in Syracuse New York and Central New York was the epicenter for hardcore

03:35:20.021 --> 03:35:31.860
so as you know like I was very into hardcore this is what really got me into metal because I was so involved in that scene in Central New York and the very first

03:35:32.620 --> 03:36:01.840
album I really got into was Snapcase Lookingglass Self, 1993 on Victory Records. And then Victory Records was absolutely huge for me. I believe Victory Records is located in Chicago, but Central New York was the hub for all these bands. Snapcase is from Buffalo, which is where my mom is from. I immediately gravitated to their sound. It's basically all out heavy pummeling intensity from starting

03:36:01.860 --> 03:36:31.840
to finish. And that band opened the door for me to other hardcore bands like Earth Crisis, Integrity, Dead Guy. And then also post-hardcore bands like Orange 9mm is one of my favorites. And Gilt. Gilt's one of my favorites. They only did one full-length LP. But all that really primed me for a full move into metal because that hardcore stuff, especially early on, was very heavy. I moved right into that from

03:36:31.880 --> 03:37:01.760
some of that hard rock. And yeah, I was a big hardcore kid, even through college too. Even when I started to get into metal, really into hardcore. So without that, that is the biggest change in my musical listening was hardcore. Being involved in the scene and being able to go to all the shows and listen to that music, which is very close to metal, but not quite there. Yeah, definitely was the big primer for me. So yeah, Snapcase, Looking Glass.

03:37:01.880 --> 03:37:31.640
I still listen to this day. I have it on vinyl. They re-released it and it's great. Right on. All right, Matt. Okay, my number two and the last of the glam metal picks for me. But one album that was super influential. I remember looking at the cover thinking, wow, these look like girls. It is poison. Look what the cat dragged in. Dude, that came out. I was like, these checks are hot. I'm going to buy this.

03:37:31.880 --> 03:38:01.720
And I think I actually have this on vinyl. Just because I love it so much. But yeah, Look What the Cat Dragged In. And the song Talk Dirty To Me is in my head right now. I keep thinking it's Look What the Cat Dragged In, but the song is Talk Dirty To Me. It's a good album. Yeah, it is. Glamicide, it's a good album. But it's number two. It's the end of the glam. I literally bought it because I thought those chicks were hot. Yeah. Like the open up. Yeah. Every rose has its thorn.

03:38:01.880 --> 03:38:31.300
That's the next album. I know. That is what, every bro says it's thorn is what got me into playing the guitar. I would say that. Oh, wow. Wait, you play guitar? Yeah, and the funny thing is I just bought, I'm teaching my kid to play. I re-bought some guitars. What do you got? Some acoustics. What do you got? I got him, it's a, not a dreadnought, but the version, the smaller version of an acoustic, and then I got myself a Fender acoustic. Nice. Right on.

03:38:31.880 --> 03:38:32.140
Yeah.

03:38:32.170 --> 03:38:32.280
Yeah.

03:38:33.350 --> 03:38:33.720
All right.

03:38:33.910 --> 03:38:34.040
John.

03:38:34.400 --> 03:38:34.900
Number two.

03:38:35.880 --> 03:38:37.560
Let me put this train back on the tracks.

03:38:46.080 --> 03:38:46.260
Wow.

03:38:46.620 --> 03:38:46.780
Okay.

03:38:47.760 --> 03:38:54.540
So you guys can make fun of me for being old all you want, but I never got stuck in this rut of glam.

03:38:55.420 --> 03:38:56.080
I'm so happy.

03:38:56.680 --> 03:38:59.220
If I want to listen to glam, I'll go listen to Bowie.

03:38:59.840 --> 03:38:59.920
So.

03:39:00.220 --> 03:39:00.520
Word.

03:39:02.060 --> 03:39:30.500
I like glam, but remember that when we were kids? All right. John was in an era where there's only trains and horses, so. And depression. And buggies. Come on, forget it, go all the way, go all the way. All right. This album, when I heard it, when I was 12, when it came out, and I was there before this came out, I was hooked on the hits from this song because there were two huge hits, but it was a huge hit.

03:39:30.520 --> 03:40:00.500
was one song on there that I was like, whoa, I need to find more of this. The song was called Rapid Fire off of the album British Steel by Judas Priest. When I heard that, I was just like, what is this? It was just so, at that time, in 1980, nobody was doing that. And it was unreal. So I got that album, and then I immediately got

03:40:00.560 --> 03:40:30.340
Unleashed in the East, which we can debate if it's live or not. It's live-ish, mostly live, minus some of the vocals and some extra guitars. But yeah, that was one of my very first real metal albums that I got. For sure. And I got it when it came out in 1980. And I remember my grandfather saying, why are you buying this? What is this? And I just look at it like, this is amazing. You know, watching some guy's hand bleed as he's grabbing a razor. So. Yeah. I knew,

03:40:30.540 --> 03:40:58.920
The Judas Priest would be on the list. Yeah. And that one I can honestly say I got when it came out as opposed to my Zeppelin and my number one. I obviously was a little too young for those. What year was that, John? 1980. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, it was like nine. Eight, maybe. I was 12. Ed was not. He was two. He was not. Period. He was not.

03:41:00.540 --> 03:41:30.440
My number two was someone that I heard about around the school. And I looked him up when I went to the music store and I was like, wow, what is this? That was Ozzy Osbourne, Bark at the Moon. That was my first Ozzy album. I was like, whoa, I've heard of this guy. He bites bats. He's, you know, in the early 80s,

03:41:30.540 --> 03:41:32.600
people were like picketing him and

03:41:33.320 --> 03:41:34.640
really giving him a hard time

03:41:34.920 --> 03:41:36.580
about like Satan and stuff which is

03:41:36.900 --> 03:41:38.200
ridiculous when you see him now

03:41:38.760 --> 03:41:39.940
I don't know what you're talking about

03:41:40.580 --> 03:41:42.580
but he was when I bought

03:41:43.030 --> 03:41:45.120
Bark at the Moon he was like

03:41:46.240 --> 03:41:46.460
the

03:41:47.460 --> 03:41:48.800
thing that you don't want to

03:41:49.120 --> 03:41:50.820
be into because

03:41:51.640 --> 03:41:53.020
oh my god that's exactly why we were

03:41:53.170 --> 03:41:54.500
into him right

03:41:55.299 --> 03:41:57.100
and and Bark at the Moon is still

03:41:57.180 --> 03:41:59.180
my favorite album from him because it was my first

03:41:59.760 --> 03:42:29.160
And you got that when it came out, right? Yes. In 83? Yes. Wow. That was not a bark at the moon, but... It was more of a bark at the moon. A bark at the moon. But yeah. George, just so you know, when I saw him in 81, they used to have this kid that they would hang during the show. And now the noose was, or how they hung him was actually around the waist, but then they'd have this phony noose

03:42:29.901 --> 03:42:58.900
And literally, parents lost their shit over this when they did that live. I was like, how's that kid still alive? In 81, I was only 13 years old. And it took me a couple years like, ah, it's a trick. Yeah. When I got onto Ozzy, it was like full scale satanic panic. In the magazines, it was all like, oh my God, Ozzy Osbourne. He worships the devil, blah, blah, blah.

03:42:59.180 --> 03:43:29.100
And I was like, does he really? Maybe I should learn about this. Tell me more. Tell me more. The devil you say? Yeah, exactly. So those are good times. Hip Parader magazine, man. That was where I learned my shit back in the early 80s. Cream magazine. That was there too, but Hip Parader, man. My first Hip Parader magazine had David Lee Roth on the cover. And he was like all, and there was like just a hint of,

03:43:30.000 --> 03:43:59.140
Oh, yeah. It was like the little stairway to heaven. He was like, you. Yeah, no. It was like him all like. Agestive. And yeah, it was like, because I bought it and my mom was like, oh my God. And I'm like, whatever. Pubes happen, mom. I hear George getting a foster and hot right now. Yeah, exactly. But that was my first rock music.

03:44:00.201 --> 03:44:06.340
magazine was hit paraded with david lee roth on the cover and his pubes it's so funny

03:44:06.740 --> 03:44:11.920
because there were so many magazines and there's still some magazines now but i wouldn't read anything

03:44:12.140 --> 03:44:18.580
except decibel why would you you've got revolver but that's a big steaming pile of shit air riser was good

03:44:18.780 --> 03:44:25.859
before they screwed everyone over that's british yeah and also piece of shit now now it is yeah yeah no

03:44:26.641 --> 03:44:55.140
In the current world today, decibel's the only thing that matters. I like Prague. Prague Magazine's awesome. Are you saying that nothing else matters? Nothing else matters other than decibel. That's how I interpret it. You're welcome. It's the only one. It is. It really... This is a really interesting top five, I gotta say. I feel like we are talking about each one more than we normally do just because it's so seminal.

03:44:56.000 --> 03:45:23.940
It's who we are. It's our education. It's who we are. It's our souls. Yeah, it's very personal. Let's get those number ones. I want to hear these. Yep. Number one. So I toyed with two bands and two albums and the album that didn't make it was Sad Wings of Destiny. Oh, my favorite. It did not make it because I discovered that very later. And if I'm totally honest, the one that did make it is music that my dad was listening to.

03:45:25.220 --> 03:45:29.140
one that I spawned the most at home, Black Moor's Rainbow.

03:45:30.060 --> 03:45:32.140
Ooh, you bet Jay's not here.

03:45:32.350 --> 03:45:32.460
Nice.

03:45:32.940 --> 03:45:42.960
Yeah, so and specifically that song, I just looped that song so many times, and it's probably part of my DNA at this point is Catch the Rainbow.

03:45:43.270 --> 03:45:54.360
I know that Rising has what, Stargazers on it, which is, you know, can be argued as the first power metal song per se, but Catch the Rainbow has that like melodramatic,

03:46:21.680 --> 03:46:24.480
I fucking love rainbows.

03:46:24.960 --> 03:46:54.880
Yes, you do. All right. That's cool. That's cool. And unexpected. A really good choice. My turn. All right. So this is definitely a metal album. This is 1994, and it's my first year of college. So I was into hardcore quite a bit. I had listened to some metal records and enjoyed them. But at the time, I was mostly listening to 90s rock and hardcore, and I was more casual.

03:46:56.301 --> 03:47:24.220
So this is the record that really kicked me into the fucking abyss. And it's Slayer Divine Intervention on American Records. Not one of their more popular albums, but I get it. I do. No, I'd heard Slayer before, but again, like I said, I was more into the hard rock and hardcore. So this was the first.

03:47:25.699 --> 03:47:54.880
that I really spun over and over. And I remember I bought it in the first few weeks of college at the University of Stony Brook. And I was in the bookstore picking up textbooks for my classes. But the store also had CDs in there. And I can't remember if it had one of those long boxes. Remember those? Oh, yes. Fucking long boxes. This may have been phased out by then. I can't remember if this had it.

03:47:54.940 --> 03:48:23.480
But in any case, I love the cover of it so much that when I saw it, I knew about Slayer. I saw the cover. I'm in the store. I was like, I fucking, I have to have this. I only had a limited amount of money to buy books. So instead of picking up that Anthropology 101 book, what that motherfucker is, I picked up Slayer Divide Intervention, much to the chagrin of my parents.

03:48:24.120 --> 03:48:53.640
And then I proceeded to wear the shit out of that on my dorm room stereo. And so I think that one was really the catalyst for me to like, I need to listen to a lot more metal. The next year, I ended up transferring to Oswego State University where I met a bunch of metalheads who were from Canada, Stoodle, New York. And all they would do is drink beers, smoke tobacco pipes, and listen to metal in a,

03:48:53.880 --> 03:49:22.880
blacklit fucking suite every single night. And they called that suite the Death Star. And so those guys ended up introducing me to a lot of extreme metal bands like Incantation, which we talked about earlier, My Dying Bride, Cynic, which we also mentioned earlier. But I had primed myself before that to really open myself up to metal with the picks that I've mentioned.

03:49:22.980 --> 03:49:52.680
But yeah, that's where I really took off in metal when I transferred to Stony Brook and met those guys. But this is like the lead up to it. And Slayer was like the final peg. I saw Slayer on the Divine Intervention Tour. That was my first time seeing Slayer. Nice. And it was awesome. It was a teeny little fucking place called the Orbit Room in Kalamazoo, Michigan. And yeah. It's interesting going back on this because like,

03:49:52.980 --> 03:50:22.960
I kind of, I thought I remembered the journey a little bit differently. And then when you actually go back, I'm like, well, when did I actually start listening to heavier albums? It's a little bit different than I remembered because I thought I had listened to earlier Slayer albums. And I may have at the same, I may have, but this was the one that really put me over the edge because I love South of Heaven is by far my favorite Slayer record before, but I must've come to it after. Like John said, I arrived later to the

03:50:23.000 --> 03:50:52.760
the game that I fought in my mind. But gotta tell the truth. These are the albums that actually brought me to where I was. Yeah. Or where I am now. I got Rain and Blood when it came out. And that was the only album to ever terrify me. Really, George? When it came out, I was like, oh my God, this is so evil. Yeah. And it's not like I was religious or anything, but I felt guilty for listening to that album for a while.

03:50:52.980 --> 03:51:22.960
Now you don't though. No, I'm like, yeah. At the time I was like, that was like my one and only crisis of, I want to say faith because I never had faith, but my own crisis of like, oh my God, should I be listening to this? And it was rain and blood. Yeah. And I get it because it's so different than when you've listened to it before. You didn't fully absorb that at the time. That's why this top five is so interesting because you kind of gradually

03:51:23.000 --> 03:51:52.480
move into metal. Even if you flirted with it at periods in your life, it still took a little bit of time before you fully accepted it. Because I was the same way. I know I've heard those because I was listening to Headbangers Ball. There was heavier things on there than just glam metal. But it wasn't until a little bit later that it resonated with me and then I was able to understand what I really liked in music and then move towards it. So it takes some time with that because it's not what your parents are going to give you.

03:51:52.500 --> 03:52:22.460
And unless they're like real metalheads, which I haven't heard of any parents in my lifetime who were metalheads and then they got their kids into it. So that's will exactly right. Nowadays. Yes. But I'm talking about back then when exactly when we were growing up, it wasn't the norm. All right, Matt. Yeah. My number one pick is on a similar track. This is really the straw that broke the camel's back. And strangely enough, new metalheads.

03:52:24.439 --> 03:52:52.480
All Phases that I got myself deep into were actually after this. It was from this moment, this album, and this moment in time where I sold my soul to extreme metal. And that is Injustice for All by Metallica. Wow. I was completely smitten with this album. I had a friend who had a tape. He let me borrow it. I loved every moment of it. I probably spun To Live Is To Die like 100,000 times, which is the longest song on the

03:52:52.520 --> 03:53:21.800
the album with the least amount of lyrics but I just loved that concept and from that point on there really was no looking back really and like I say new metal was a departure or like a sidetrack phase whereas after listening to this album like I was solidified like that was like my the core of my life was metal and extreme metal at this point thrash which kind of branched out into other things but that's my number one this is really a good list

03:53:22.659 --> 03:53:50.680
Love that record. Yeah. John. Right. My number one got into again when I was right around 12 years old. Had an evil cover. I'm surprised my parents let me have it, but I somehow got it. This album has a song on it that we used to do a segment about. What was it? That one metal song that you identify with. Do you remember us doing that? We did that a few times and we stopped before it got to me.

03:53:50.760 --> 03:54:20.300
And I was going to do the opening track from this album. It's one of the best riffs I've ever heard. It is still in my top three all-time metal albums. And that will never, ever change. And I heard this now going on 40-plus years ago. An album's a lot older than that. But it's not older than me. I'm older than this album. Nothing's older than you. Nothing. Nothing else matters. No, not that album.

03:54:20.760 --> 03:54:31.900
And it has one of my favorite lyrics ever that to this day, I always scream out when I'm driving in my car. And the two words are, you bastards.

03:54:50.760 --> 03:55:19.720
She's been there. But it's number three on my list now for favorite metal albums. Or favorite albums all time. So that opening riff to Sabbath Bloody Sabbath is just so dirty and nasty. It is. And I think it's still to this day an underrated album in their catalog. I think it should be higher than what most people rank it. But then Tony goes into the jazz break. This is heavy bass. I'm too young for those albums. I didn't get to it until much later. Yeah, and you were talking about a time.

03:55:20.380 --> 03:55:48.840
I remember buying Heaven and Hell in the store when it came out. But I still identified more with Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath. My number one is the same band. What? I know. Shocker, right? It's the first album, though, isn't it, Josh? It's not. It's actually a compilation album. Interesting. Called We Sold Our Soul for Rock and Roll by Black Sabbath.

03:55:50.360 --> 03:56:20.020
I got this on where? Columbia House record and tape. Of course you did. Because that was what was available. And that was my first Aussie slash Sabbath moment. I don't know why. Honestly, to this day, I don't know why I grabbed it, but I did. And it's a compilation of, it's got Iron Man and the Wizard and all kinds of good shit on there. And that to me was like,

03:56:20.800 --> 03:56:49.560
This is metal. It was, and it is. And I'm not trying to be like special or anything, but. But you are, George. I am special. I am the pod father. You are. But, uh, yeah, no, I can still picture the cassette. I probably still have it here in the room somewhere. It's literally in the room with me right now. The old record Columbia house thing with the, remember John's probably the only one that will know this, but it's got the name and there's like a pink line.

03:56:50.380 --> 03:57:20.120
on the top and the bottom across the name of the, you know, and it's like the name of the band and the album. And there's a pink line across on a white thing. And it was Columbia house. Yeah. So that's actually a really good compilation too. It is not, it's lacking on some of the later era stuff, but it's still pretty good. I, I got this and I probably got mob rules around the same time. Also same pink line. And I was very confused by the fact that,

03:57:20.380 --> 03:57:48.800
One of these was Ozzy and one of these was Dio. And I was like, I don't understand. Who is this guy that's singing this other album? Clearly, I figured out eventually once the internet was invented. This guy took lessons. Yeah. So, all right. That's my number one. There we are. We are at four and a half hours-ish. And we have one thing left to do, and that is to pick our album of the episode.

03:57:50.380 --> 03:58:17.740
So Ed, I told you, it just goes by. It does. It absolutely does. It doesn't feel like it, does it? No, I had so much fun. Thank you so much. Yeah. All right. Ed, what is the one album that you or anybody else has mentioned that is your album of the episode? I haven't picked mine yet. I need to look at my shit here. What is your album of the episode? Of the whole episode? Anything you or anyone else has mentioned?

03:58:20.380 --> 03:58:50.340
been on this podcast that you think it's dang this is the album oh man that's a tough one and it can't be Leviathan by Mastodon because that's Matt it's always Leviathan by Mastodon yeah Matt is contractually obligated to choose that one if anybody matches it I'm totally taking his thunder there by the way I'll take the easy way out to be honest and I'll just pick horrendous that is a good pick great pick so there you can add my little name to your

03:58:50.380 --> 03:59:20.340
6. The 7th. 6 asterisk 7. Plus 1. Yeah, plus 1. Alright. Mark is on. There have been a lot of albums on this list. Yeah, I had Linkin Park and Rainbow on the same list at this point. Those won't be on my... Those aren't contenders for me. Would you let it go? I'm gonna pick Danzig. How the Gods Kill, because I'm

03:59:20.380 --> 03:59:49.680
and the fucking shirt is on my list and I'm seeing her tomorrow. I feel like that's the winner. I love that record and I can't wait to see Dancy. Cool. Hope it's good. Me too. Matt. Because of the contract. I have to go with Leviathan by Mastodon. But if I didn't, I would have to go with the second contract, which would be Remission by the band Mastodon.

03:59:49.700 --> 04:00:18.060
And the third? If all contracts were broken, I would have to go with rat out of the cellar. I'm not going to deny that. I'm a wanted man. It goes round and round. It does. It does. It does. Quickly. You got to return to the scene of the crime. I do. And I will. But not till the morning after. I know my rat. All right, John. You dirty rat.

04:00:19.700 --> 04:00:49.580
Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath, and Black Sabbath. In his top three. I'm gonna go with Ed on this one. I think horrendous. Nice. That fucking horrendous album is horrendous. In a good way. 37 minutes, super polished, amazing. Yep. Yeah. I wouldn't change one thing from that record, so. I would. What's that? I don't like the glossy vinyl cover. Oh,

04:00:49.680 --> 04:01:18.440
You're right, John. I would change that, too. You can't take pictures of that fucker. It's annoying. It's a great cover, and you cannot take any pictures of it. Because it's glossy. It's absolutely bullshit. Yeah, because when you take a picture, it reflects, and also it picks up everything. It's like a mirror. So it picks up everything in the background. Yeah, you cannot take a picture of that. Fuck those guys. Fuck them. Yeah. All right, I'm going to go with fucking Rat, then. Fine, I'll go with Rush.

04:01:19.220 --> 04:01:48.680
Jesus Christ. About time. It was wishy-washy motherfuckers. That's what you get for having a glossy cover, you fucks. I agree with John, though. I don't think it takes away from the album, but yeah, I wish I could take away from the album. It's just my beef with the album. I completely agree. I was thinking the same thing. I don't like glossy covers. When I sent you guys that picture and I got that shit so early, I was like, I took seven pictures of that fucking thing, John, and could not get it perfect. Nope.

04:01:49.240 --> 04:02:19.140
All right, here we are at the end. Four and three quarters hours. No will. No will. He couldn't make it. He texted at least and said that he couldn't make it. But yeah, Ed, it was great having you on. Yes. It was absolutely fun having you on. It was so fun. Thank you so much for having me on. I had a blast meeting some of the people who've kept me company. Felt like I was on your couch.

04:02:19.220 --> 04:02:48.660
for a couple of episodes now. Right on. Thank you for listening. Stay in touch. Love to have you back. Oh, I'll keep you posted with my journey of death metal discovery. I have to. That's definitely missing for me. I appreciate you taking all the time to give those thoughtful answers for all these sections. I went with Matt's idea. I just faked the whole thing. Sounded intelligent. All made up ants. Are you talking about the edge situation here?

04:02:49.240 --> 04:03:18.700
what we're talking about? The ad situation. I'll take it. Yeah. It's awesome. All right. Cool, man. Thank you so much. Thanks for coming on. Thanks, Ed. I'm sure I have a feeling that you'll be back. I would love that for sure. So, you know, when you're ready, let us know and we will definitely have you back. For sure. Yeah. Yeah, man, it was good. We appreciate having you on and thank you. Yeah, it was a blast.

04:03:19.240 --> 04:03:49.180
Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, me too. I feel really privileged. Everything that's happening about the Anchor It, nothing was intended. It's great meeting people. Yeah, it just happens. And I got to meet a lot of people. And thank you, John, for putting me into this Crosshairs thing. You have great taste. Yes, you do. We love the record. Yeah. We've gotten to hear it. So, yeah. Absolutely. It's tremendous work. I appreciate that. So have a great rest of the night.

04:03:49.699 --> 04:04:02.560
Yeah, man. Have a good Sunday, too. Yeah. Yeah. All right. We'll be seeing you. Yep. Yep. I'm sad it's over. Bye. Peace. Yeah. We're done. Four hours. Bye. See you, boys. All right, guys. Take care. Bye. See you.

04:04:19.220 --> 04:04:31.560
I shatter the ball to drag me to pain to wheeze