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Now, here is the podcast, Metal Heads Podcast.

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Hello and welcome to the Metal Heads Podcast.

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My name is George.

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This is Jake.

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This is John.

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This is Matt.

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This is Markisan.

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And with us tonight are Tanner Swenson and Sammy Sati,

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the creators, guitarists, and vocalists of the progressive black folk metal band Oak Pantheon. The heart and the balls of the OP, if you will. Which one is the heart? Which one is the balls? Yeah, which one's the one at the end of the night? That's what the Metal Thunderdome is tonight. Heart versus balls. Yeah, well, thanks for having us, guys. This is Tanner. Thanks for coming on. Thanks for having us. This is Sammy, the balls of Oak Pantheon.

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So who does what? I know, but you know, for the listeners, who does what? Sure. Yeah. Well, we both do guitars and vocals. And so I do primarily the, we both do harsh vocals and I do primarily the melodic cleans and Samuel do the kind of sad boy deep, you know, neo-folk cleans.

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The spoken word sounding kind of stuff. But yeah, we both write music too, so it's just a constant ego battle between me and Tanner trying to one-up each other with better songs. And I think, yeah, if you listen to all the Oak Pantheon albums, the good songs are the ones I wrote, and the filler tracks are the ones Tanner wrote. That's how it's going to be, is it? Okay. So I read that you

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You guys met in high school and it's, you know, everything came from that. Yeah. We've known each other for too long. So we like to take barbs at each other a lot. So buckle up. But yeah, I don't know. What was it, Sammy? 10th grade, maybe? 9th grade? Yeah. I think it was like 10th grade. We saw each other in the hall and we both had Iron Maiden shirts and we just pointed at each other and we're just like, we're friends now. That's how it works. I think that's it. I think we were jamming within about five minutes of that.

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We just like apparated into a room with guitars or something. I don't know. So you guys were playing before that then. When did you start actually playing music? I think I had started playing guitar probably a year or two before I met Sammy. And so I had been in your typical, you know, early high school, you know, quote unquote bands that, you know, not really anything to write home about.

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But when we started playing together, Sammy, well, maybe it'll come out in our, when we talk about which albums are, describe us, but he's a big power metal guy. So we started playing a lot of power metal inspired instrumental stuff. I was actually our drummer for a while. That's why he's got the balls. Cause he's, he's like, gotta squeeze them to get up there. That's right. Sammy, you should just do this. You should do this whole interview in a falsetto.

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I am not going to do that. There's a reason we were instrumental back then. Yeah, we we tried incorporating vocals and like it just it was horrible. So we're just like, yeah, let's just be instrumental. And it's it's it's hard to get someone who's good at power metal vocals. And even when you find someone who's good at power metal vocals, people hate it. Yeah. What's the point?

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It's a fine line between cheesy and good power metal. Yeah. No, they're the same thing. Cheesy power metal is good power metal. I don't think name one good power metal band that's not cheesy. You can't do well. I mean, there's cheesy bad and there's cheesy good. Well, wait, wait, are we talking Euro power metal? Because you've got bands like I got to can't think of any now. I'm on the spot, but there's some that are just they're over the top. Like I will not listen to them, but you know, like Manowar or Rhapsody or, you know, I mean,

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Those vocals aren't cheesy. Those are Eric fucking Adams fucking voice of the gods. But like Rhapsody, okay, maybe that's a little cheesy, but it's also pretty good. Or at least it was. He's fucking awesome. Yes. He's not cheesy. But he's not really power metal. It's U.S. power metal. There's a difference. U.S. power metal doesn't have all the cheesy keyboard stuff. Yeah. And the gang singing. Maybe Aventasia is for me,

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towards the cheesy bad side.

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Yeah, I tried like an invitation.

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Is that the guy from Ed Guy?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I don't see a difference between cheesy bad and cheesy good.

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To me, cheesy is just good.

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So, like, this conversation is making no sense to me.

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So, Sammy, what I'm hearing from you, Sammy, is that you are probably a huge glory.

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What's her name?

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It's not glory hole.

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It's glory hammer.

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Glory hammer.

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Thank you.

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I got confused with the other glory thing that we talk about all the time. Glory. Yeah, what was the, not the most recent album they had, but they had one album that was about like goblins in space and stuff. So I like that and dislike that at the same time because to me it's kind of like, the music's really good, but I feel like they're too aware that it's cheesy, that it becomes a joke. So like the most recent album that came out that I've been listening to nonstop was the newest Twilight Force album.

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them. That is cheesy and they just go all in and embrace it. These guys

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don't even think they know that they're nerds. It's better because of that.

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And those dudes can shred. They're insane.

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What about something like Aelstorm? Introducing the Pirates.

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Aelstorm's great. I like Aelstorm.

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I like Pirate Metal.

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Actually, Aelstorm, back really early on, like 2012

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when we released our first full-length From a Whisperer, the front man for Aelstorm

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was like our Facebook fan like he was like cool I like this guy and we're like oh sweet somebody actually cares I still think he was lost I don't know yeah that's quite true so you've got a new album that came out back in January the absence I was wondering if maybe that was the explanation for no album for seven years the no album calling us out like that

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I don't know.

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There's not a great explanation, I guess.

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All right.

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Well, the explanation is, well, I'll let Tanner.

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Yeah, no, there is an explanation.

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In 2020, in March of 2020, we were emailing venues to book a show.

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And because we were practicing for a live performance.

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And then obviously we know what happened.

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Yeah.

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And so we just had shifted gears a little bit.

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I guess.

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And we're trying to do what we're doing now.

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We actually just announced a live show and about to announce another one,

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but it's July 25th.

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Wait,

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no.

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July 15th.

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All right.

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Edit this part out.

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July 15th at Amsterdam barn hall in St.

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Paul.

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Oh man,

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I can go to that.

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Sweet.

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Sweet.

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Yeah.

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So that's,

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that's why it took so long,

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I think.

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And then we just had to end up,

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Scrapping that idea and work on writing an entire new album. 2018 was the last time we put something out. We apologize. Don't apologize. I'm not apologizing. Sorry. Just be like, fuck you, man. We'll put it out when we want to put it out. Just shut up. 15 years for the next one. Sorry, not sorry.

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You know, I didn't mean it judgmentally. I was trying to make a joke. It was actually a spur of the moment joke because I was seeing the title. We have to go, actually. Damn it. That's fine. Just come back in another seven years. Yeah. All right. Well, I mean, you guys got day jobs and everything. I mean, Tanner, I met you because you're a structural engineer and I know,

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how demanding that job is and how many hours that you work. So is it hard for you to find time to do music? Yeah, so that's kind of why at this point in my life, I'm finally at a point where it's been my fault basically that Oak Pantheon has been so slow. Yeah, 100% of the blame is on Tanner. If it were up to me, we'd put an album out every two weeks. So, you know. Well, I'm so busy, but I'm blaming Tanner. I'm glad it's not up to Sammy, but yeah, no, just

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with school and I had kids young and I started my job. It's just been really hard to find that one day a week even to dedicate for practice. We just didn't have a band, I guess is another big thing. We finally found the right people that were willing to help us out. Every Monday night we get together and rehearse now.

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Meeting Tracy was is pretty funny, you know, learning that her husband was a metalhead. Oh, yeah, my husband. Oh, okay. Interesting. It was interesting for me because you're telling me you're an oak pantheon. I was like, I've heard your stuff. I know this bad. Yeah, that's pretty cool. That's cool to hear. Yeah, it's like you do all this music and you never expect anyone to really care, you know. That's happened.

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a couple of times that like my wife's parents moved out to Elk River, Minnesota, which is, you know, a little out of the cities and their neighbor kid, like her, Jesse's youngest sister was having a party one night when she was like 19 and all her friends were over and the neighbor kid walked like wandered over and she was talking to him and he was kind of, kind of, you know, awkward and quiet. And she found out he was wearing like a metal shirt or something. And she's like, Oh, you're a metal head. My brother-in-law's in a band.

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And she couldn't remember the name. And he's like, what does it start with? She's like, I think it's an O. He's like, Oak Pantheon? Yeah, actually. That was pretty cool. No way! No, it's amazing. I mean, you don't even realize it, but I mean, your music, it reaches out, you know, across the world. There's people who listen to it in all walks of life, different places. So it's like that with comics. I feel that same thing whenever somebody comes up to me,

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as they've read it. I never think about that. I just make it. But the stuff you create touches people in unusual places. Hey, knock that out. Save that clip, George. That's one thing I like to try and remind people of because I think some people will put their creative works out there and they don't get any immediate feedback. And it's like a lot of people will consume your stuff and never let you know about it.

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at all. Like, no, most people aren't going to message you and say, this is great. They're not going to seek you out. They're just going to like, listen to your album and be like, yeah, that was cool. Or yeah. So like people are listening to stuff, reading stuff, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah. They're passive. They either don't know how to get ahold of you or they don't feel like, you know, maybe you'd want to hear from them, which is crazy. Cause you know, I'm guilty of that. I, you just like listen to something, you know, listen to 10 albums a day at work or,

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or whatever when I'm working.

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And you just, you don't have time to like, you know, oh, wow, I really liked this, you know, thing and reach out to everybody you listen to.

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So I get it.

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And I'm guilty of that, too.

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But yeah, Sammy's right.

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When we were at Decibel Metal and Beer Fest last month, apparently I didn't get to meet the person, but apparently somebody in line who was from England saw some of the crew wearing one of our podcast shirts and came up and said, hey, I love the show.

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Awesome.

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And I'm like, damn it. And apparently it happened like two or three times and I wasn't there for any of them. I talked to him up at the bar for a while. He's actually, he lives in Philadelphia or in the area. Okay. Yeah. We, we talked for a while. Actually, Steph pointed them out to me and then she brought them over and we, we started talking. I don't know. God, how long? Yeah. So he's cool. That's neat. He was cool. Yeah. That's cool. So you guys, um, you mentioned that you got to write songs and it's like a competition, but I was wondering what, what are your strengths as songwriting?

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Maybe, Sammy, you can talk about Tanner in a positive light, and Tanner, you can do that vice versa.

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That's a great idea.

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Oh, man.

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Why would you make me do this?

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This wasn't in the plan.

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So Tanner's really good at writing songs that make me super mad.

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Wait.

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Oh, positive light.

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Hold on.

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Give me a second.

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No.

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That deprived me of happiness.

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Actually, no, no, no.

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Yeah, yeah.

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No, Tanner is really good at like... When Sammy said it makes him mad, what I'm thinking is that now that we're playing, practicing for live performances, just my style and the way we've recorded for so many years is basically you write a song and just by necessity and the limited time we get to put aside and record, I end up recording most of my guitar parts on my song.

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Sammy records most of his guitar parts and his songs. And so now translating that in him having to learn my stuff for the first time. And then he's like, okay, dude, what the hell? That is a dick riff. Yeah, right. Exactly. I've been spending all these years writing stuff with the intention of like, this will be played live someday. So let's make sure we can sing and play it. And Tanner's, oh yeah, positive stuff. Hold on.

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I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. They've been doing music together for like 20 years. They have nothing good to say about each other. Still the bands together. Now that's probably the best thing is the personality. We can get along together really well. We can critique each other and not really take it personally, which I think is probably the biggest strength in a band. But no, Tanner's really good at writing really complex stuff that sounds simple. So like going off of kind of what we've been talking about,

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Having to learn how to play some of his songs, I realize how complex some of the parts are, but then you listen to it and it still has a groove to it. So it's, I can't do that. I just write in four, four and six, eight. Like that's, I like focusing on like themes and structure and all of that. But like, there's a lot of Tanner songs that I didn't even realize were like in five, four and then six, four, and then it switches back and it's like, what, why did you do this? It's like, no, it just flowed well. Awesome.

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Yeah, to piggyback off that, that was basically, the opposite of that's what I was going to say with Sammy is that he is really good at just not overthinking it and letting the song be what it needs to be. And if that's very simple, then that's great. Like the entire Soul EP, we had that acoustic EP back in 2018. Some of the song structures are a little more interesting, but a lot of them are pretty straightforward.

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But they're all like just amazing songs and like get stuck in your head and he's really good at like he was saying just running around those motifs and and structuring them in a way that they just seem to stick. Thank you that's the nicest thing you've ever said about me. I like to bring people together on cast. That's right. Of course correct now. I think the whole like structure of Oak Pantheon is going to be a

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to fall apart now that we had to be nice to each other. So like, yeah, you break up after this podcast. It's because of you guys. You guys ruined it. Quick, say something mean. Sammy, you're terrible at guitar. Yeah. What about it? You're the one playing in a band with me, you dumb. Just kidding. You used to be good at guitar when you played power metal, then you could shred. I actually, yeah, I used to be able to shred a lot. And then I just like stopped because it just wasn't fun. So,

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If you like power metal so much, how are you playing this kind of music? How did you get from there to here? I also like black metal and I also like death metal and I also like pretty much every metal genre. Okay, so yeah, like everybody else. Yeah. Power metal is the one that always seems to be the stopping point where people either only like power metal or they like all other metal and they get to power metal and it's like, hey man, those vocals are really lame. I don't like that. I can attest to that, Sam, because I go to

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the progpour every single year. And the amount of bitching between prog fans and power fans versus, you know, about the other subgenre is some of the funniest stuff, yo. I mean, power fans literally will not even get close to the line. They will stay way on the opposite side. Some of the prog fans are a little more lenient, but it, yeah, it's very true about power fans. That's why we have simple. Sorry, Sam.

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This is the end of Oak Pantheon. You heard it here first, people. I was just going to say that's why we have Symphony X to bring us all together. I hate Symphony X. I can't stand that band. No. I remember showing you that band. I think I gave you one of the CDs and I was just like, here, take this. I can't even listen to it. That is a theme between me and Sammy and actually Sean.

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There's so many CDs that I saw in Sammy's basement as a teenager that I saw. I'm like, oh, what's this? Can I borrow it? He's like, yeah, it kind of sucks or whatever. And it's like, never more. This guy looks like never. I like never more. That's a good thing. I was going to say, George, you might have to cut Sammy's mic so you can go watch some CSI now. Yeah.

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So Oak Pantheon kind of has been me, Sammy, and then the engineer, Sean. And he's kind of like the fifth Beatle, I guess. We just consider him a core member at this point, even though he doesn't really play an instrument. So he's a guy, we've always gone to his house and record, and he's like the producer, engineer, mixer. We end up sending it out for mastering, but he does most of the work in the band, I guess.

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But the joke is that between the three of us, there's very few bands that all three of us can agree on. It's usually like two versus one. And so it's like, I think the bands we can agree on are System of a Down. Agaloc. Agaloc. That's about it. That's it.

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the month and only once have we all agreed on an album and that was two mold

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nice yeah that was pretty they're pretty cool

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well let's talk about the absence some more you know it's a it's a pretty eclectic album it's

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different than what you guys have done before so you know what was different how did you approach

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these songs that maybe you didn't before. So that is still one of, I don't think we were expecting to hear that kind of commentary on that album because we, when we saw some of the first reviews come out, people were saying like, every song's different. It's way different than the stuff we've done in the past. We're like, we kind of did the same thing we did for our past few albums. I didn't expect it to come off as a huge departure from our sound. I don't know. I think me and Sean expected that.

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Well, see, it's a two versus one thing. That's right. No, I do remember, I guess, like towards the end of it, I remember Sean was bringing that up where he's like, none of these songs fit together. And I was like, what are you talking about? This? Yeah, no. Yeah, he's right. But no, I think it, no, go ahead. I was just going to say it's, you know, obviously seven years since the last full length. And just, I don't know if it was,

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that length of time and

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having all sorts of different ideas.

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And

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I don't know. It's like it was like an extended period of

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growth

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of musical taste or

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trying to get a little piece of everything.

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I think the only thing you forgot

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was the kitchen sink.

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Right. Yeah.

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And I mean that in a good way.

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I think also

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all of the songs kind of came

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from a different starting point in a sense

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where previous albums, I think we sat down and were very intentional about what kind of sound we wanted to, or it was just the time period we kind of had our very core influences. But over seven years, the influences kind of just changed dramatically. There's a song on there that wasn't even intended for Oak Pantheon. I wrote it for another band I was in at the time and then was listening to it. I was like, this is too good of a song. This needs to go to Oak Pantheon.

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You know, it's kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation since it's been seven years since your last full light. Had you released another album just like in pieces, then you'd have people saying, there's no growth in this band. They're playing the same shit over. Hey, I've heard this already. I don't need to hear it again. So whatever. Just do what you want to do, right? I mean, sometimes I feel like that's what people want. Like some of the times I'm listening, look at the albums. People are

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really latching onto him like well you've heard that before i don't know yeah like i'm trying i think i was a little intentional with my songs of just i like to push my boundaries too like i feel like if i practice or try different things i can i listen to something else i'm like oh that's cool i bet you i could probably do that if i like work at it and figure it out and to varying degrees of success little baby steps here and there but um i don't know like at the end of old yarn we have some like

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Falsetto Power Metal screams just to pay them off. I'm still amazed that you ended up having the first Oak Pantheon song with power metal influences. Yeah, I'm like, why not? I think I've just been too scared to do that and I should just be more brave. So, next Oak Pantheon album, Power Metal. I like Tanner. Wait, was that a compliment to Tanner? No. Be more brave? No. Don't misconstrue this. I didn't say he was brave.

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I should be more brave. Tanner's still a coward. We have so many joke band names that one of them's Orc Paladin that we got to do a power metal. You have to do that. That's great. Well, Tanner, I know you and I have talked before too and the band has been compared to other bands in the past. Was that something that influences you too to try new things? I don't know what band you could be talking about. I'll say one thing. This is the first album.

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we put out where people didn't say that we sounded way too much like another band.

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What band would that be?

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I can cut it out if you don't want it out there.

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No, we're just being stupid.

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Egg a lock.

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Yeah.

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Which is funny because I sent George a message today and I said, you know, I could still hear little vibes of this in the music.

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That's what's so funny.

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So if you were saying earlier that you didn't think there was that much difference.

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So, you know, there's still, I mean, whatever.

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Well, like Becoming None is a very, that's the first track right at the start of the album. And it's, that's a very Agaloc inspired track. And then after that, it just all goes off the rails. And I think we forgot Agaloc existed. There were two things that I thought of while listening to this album. And not that they sound like this, but I was just curious if you were aware of them, the artists. One of them is a little known band named Thrasenblatt.

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black metal band from Canada. And Joel, who's the guy behind that band, he does some pretty intense black metal stuff, and he also does some cool folky stuff and cleans and stuff like that. And while it doesn't sound, I would never confuse the two bands, it's almost like there's some similar DNA in the thinking and just the way stuff happens. And then the other one,

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in a couple of songs, and I'm guessing this is Sammy, some of the quieter cleans have this Leonard Cohen rasp. Do you know who Leonard Cohen is? Yeah. I wrote down, I'm tired, lay down this weary frame. It doesn't sound like Leonard Cohen. It sounds like Leonard Cohen if he was doing metal. It's the kind of deep,

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kind of dark thing that it stands out to me. I'm like, ooh, goosies. You know, it's like. That is very, yeah, it's very similar to that style. But the place I got, like, decided to try and do those vocals like that, which we did that first on Soul. I was listening to, has anyone ever listened to Tricky before? He's a trip hop artist. Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely. He does vocals like that on a lot of tracks. And I was, like, obsessed with his entire discography.

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for a bit and I was like I could do vocals like that and just put it in like a folk metal kind of style music and it's like a lot of other folk bands do vocals like that but I wasn't consciously thinking about that when I started doing vocals like that it was 100% inspired by Tricky. Interesting. I have seen the Thrasenblatt comparison too in person I've listened to his stuff before and

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I don't personally hear like you said

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George. It's more of the blackened parts

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I mean and again I'm not saying you sound

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like it. It's more the

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spirit behind it

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you know of

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his stuff's very personal

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and

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I'm not even going to do that credit

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but the point is

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because that's George's favorite

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it's like my favorite band so if I'm comparing

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you to them at all

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it's a compliment

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Well, thank you.

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Yeah, I don't really know how to explain it. It was more of a feeling than, oh, that sounds like.

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I know what you're saying. Those feelings are impossible to describe to people.

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It's kind of like a purple-bluish kind of feeling.

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Basically, you tweak George's nipples, is what he's saying.

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Yeah, to be perfectly honest, I was hoping to get further into the episode before absolutely kissing your asses.

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But I fucking love the album. I really do. It's pretty unique to me. It has all the parts of a metal album and folk things, but it just doesn't sound like anybody. Even Thrasenblatt, it just doesn't sound like anybody. And it really excites me a lot. So thank you for that album. I think that's really great to hear. That's like a huge compliment that we don't sound like anybody because I think the initial reactions,

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of the people who, you know, we're a pretty small band still. So the people that pay attention to us have a pretty specific idea of what it's going to sound like. I think it caught a lot of those people off guard. Like some of the, you know, just random comments we've seen have been like, what? Like I got to track two and then it turned into metal core and I turned it off. It's like, it doesn't make any sense that somebody would say that either. It's so funny. Metal core, really? Come on. My favorite one was,

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some comment that said,

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part of the hell bent ages sounds like it turns into pirate metal.

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And I was like,

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really?

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John said that too.

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I didn't,

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I didn't hear that.

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And I like pirate metal.

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I think I know the part that there's that rolling kind of,

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it's even worse than pirate metal.

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It was inspired by days and days.

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So it was inspired by like,

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like folk punk.

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So that's,

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yeah,

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no,

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I,

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I mentioned to George,

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I said that just in the first couple of minutes,

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I get that though.

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And I think that's probably what caught people off guard was that was the first song you guys released from the album, right? Yeah, it was Bard and then Listen. Yeah, because I said, I'm just kind of getting this little different vibe here on this song. I said, I got to tell you, I love the solo, though, in the middle of the song. I think it's awesome. But that was the one I mentioned to him earlier. So, sorry. I'm really proud about the solo that we did in that song because I was trying to push us to just do an on-the-spot solo.

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I was like Tanner we're gonna do dueling guitar solos like I'm gonna do a solo and you're gonna do a solo we're not gonna prepare it at all and we just recorded what we came up with that day is that one take then maybe like like takes in terms of like we were coming up with it as we were recording okay gotcha once we felt like okay that's the solo I actually that's one I even I made the comment about the first person that's one of my favorite parts of the whole album you do that for about what I guess a minute and a half right there in the middle of the song he did say that it's a nice

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a little kind of turnaround too on the song too because the beginning and end has got that kind of fast not giddy up but it has that little bit of pace and tempo to it it's the king of the hill theme song no that that yeah that middle part most of it was just that day we we got together and our goal was just to like like you know improvise and experiment with that part and i think i cleaned up maybe the back half of my solo at the end

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that kind of kicks back into the heavy part. But yeah, for the most part, it stayed pretty much that improvised session. Some of the best stuff you'll hear on albums, you'll find out later on years from like, oh yeah, we were just kind of messing around and this just kind of happened on the album. You're like, fuck. Happy accidents. Yeah. They're the best. Yeah. I mean, when you sent it to me, Tanner, one of the first things I said was like, it doesn't sound

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like George said. You have so many different influences in that album. Do you guys ever worry that you're blending too much? That you're putting too much into it? Do you ever know? Now they're going to doubt themselves. The next album is going to be shit. I want to keep throwing shit into that blender until the blades don't work anymore. So that's what I want. Yeah, it's either that or you guys are going to have to sound like Throssenblatt on your next album.

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I don't know it's it's a pretty low risk it's just a it's basically a hobby for us so it's right right we just write what we write and like for me I don't have I don't have time or energy to like have a different side project for every slightly different it's vibe right at the end of the day we're doing metal and if I think if if you're trying to be very marketable about metal music I think you're like doing it wrong in the first place because just do pop music at that point

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I don't know I changed my mind I want to make a lot of money

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I got two words for you

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orc paladin

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good point

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we can do some like dad metal

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butt rock called old mantheon

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old mantheon

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I don't think you should

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turn that away I think you should run with that

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that's a side project

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I think I didn't finish

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I think I forgot to finish a thought earlier

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When you were asking about just the reception, and I guess it ties into the different, too many different styles, I was saying that when it released, you know, some of the reaction was maybe a little like, what? Like, this isn't what I expected. I don't know if it's true or if it's happening. I'm hoping that as the year progresses and it sinks in a little bit, people start to be like, okay, can I come back to it and it maybe clicks?

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Maybe. Hopefully. Yeah. Well, and that's the other thing, too, though, is like we can kind of look at the statistics of play counts and all that stuff. And there's a really weird phenomenon I've noticed where some of the stuff that people are still really vocal about saying, like, this is the best album that we've ever done. Like some people say From a Whisper is still our best, but we look at the play counts and it's like no one's listening to that album. But we get a lot more plays on like the new album.

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we got a decent number of plays on even though it's kind of like what people comment on isn't always like what people are actually listening to. I mean it's one I think you have to sit down with. I think you made a comment earlier Sammy about Tanner a nice thing which is that he writes complex things but you know it still has like a good riff or something you can grab onto and I feel like that album has that as well. When you listen to it the first time

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There's a lot of songs that get you into it that you groove to, but there's so much going on that you want to go back to it and kind of figure out what's happening in the record and how it works. I feel like I've replayed it too many times in my car and still somewhat enjoy it at this point, so that's probably a good thing. It's got enough to sink your teeth into, but surface level is cool enough to kind of bob your head too.

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when we're working on it. And then the day it releases, I never listen to it again. This is the first time where I haven't really done that. Like, I'll still throw it in every once in a while. I'm like, yeah, we did something pretty cool there. So. Yeah. Well, I wanted to ask you guys, too, because now you have the full band. How did that come together? And how is that working? And are you going to be all riding together on future albums? And when you guys aren't yelling at each other, do you guys gang up to, you know, shit on them?

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Absolutely.

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So I think, you know, yeah, we've got, we had Jake from State Farm. So Jake from State Farm.

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We're as khakis to every rehearsal. We're like, dude, stop.

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No, we were, we've been friends with the guys in Face Meridian for a while. And originally when we were going to do live shows

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before this album, they were just like, hey, we can be your live band. And that was kind of the thing that opened the door for us. Like, hey, we could actually probably do more stuff with this band. We had Jake write a lot of the bass line. I mean, he wrote all the bass lines for the album. I don't think you or I came up with anything cool, right, Tanner? I think we had, like, the demos, the basic stuff, and he might have stuck with some of it. But I'm definitely not going to put that much effort into bass.

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Yeah.

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Which like that alone, I think like made the album much more enjoyable in the sense of like with Tanner and I wrote bass lines for our songs. We're just following the guitar. Like there were a few times where it was like the bass should do this and it'd be cool, but we're not, we're never really good at listening for like, this would be a good moment for the bass to shine. But just having another person focused on that instrument is great. Um, and then it's time passed down. We ended up, uh,

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I think was Sean old friends with Andy or I don't I don't remember how we met Andy to do that. Yeah Sean so yeah so Andy Anderson did the drums on the on the absence and he was Sean's old he knew him from high school I think and we kind of hired him as a session drummer and worked with him to get the drums and he's not the one we're playing live with it's actually Kevin who is the drummer

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Also for Faze Meridian. So we're kind of trying to figure out, you know, what the future looks like right now. We're focused on, we're just focused on getting a set together for our shows and getting it locked down. So we got to think about that as time goes on. I don't know what they want to do because we're kind of sucking a lot of their time from their own band. So we got to figure that out. But yeah, Faze Meridian, check those guys out.

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Oh yeah, you sent me that. It was great. I like that. That man. Yeah. Very, very proggy three piece. They all do vocals. Yeah. They're, they're pretty cool. That's all. Well, it's great that you guys are practicing and doing stuff every Monday. Now that's, that's different for you. Do you feel like you're becoming better players because you're, uh, you're doing that? Yeah. I'm, I'm forced to actually play guitar, which is cool. Um, vocals are,

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a work in progress. Obviously over time our vocals have changed pretty drastically. I feel like every album as we figure them out and then spend three years not doing them at all and then coming back and trying to re-figure it out. So now trying to figure out for a live setting has been a good challenge and I feel like it's coming together pretty good. Yeah and it's one of those things too where I always forget the most obvious thing where if you're holding your guitar you're infinite

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more likely to come up with new music than if you're not holding your guitar. So I think just, yeah, getting together every week and playing music has been great. I finished the entire soundtrack to the video game I've been working on, Astro Gunners, just mostly because we started practicing with Oak Pantheon every week. And I was just like, oh yeah, I can like just, while I'm practicing, I'll just come up with a new riff and just be like, okay, that fits there. So.

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I was going to ask you about that because I have that game. Wait, really? Oh yeah. I got the game. When I first got it, it was too hard, but it's changed over time. Now I enjoy it more because I don't have time to play hard games. I want to get in game and just enjoy it. But the soundtrack is awesome on it. That's great to hear. How did you start working on that project? Me and my brother. So my brother does the artwork for it and I do the programming and audio for it.

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We were just driving through Taco Bell like 2 a.m. one night and we were just like, hey, we should make a video game. And he said that to me and I was like, yeah, it sounds cool. And then we started making a video game. That's as deep as the story goes. It's a side shooter and it's got the best soundtrack I've ever heard in a video game. And you can get it on Steam. I don't know if it's elsewhere, but that's where I got it. It's currently early access on Steam. I swear I'll finish it someday.

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Hopefully this summer. He's never going to finish it. Yeah, we've been working on it for way too long. More than we were working on the absence. So it's been a minute. But yeah, hopefully I can get it on the Switch, Xbox, PlayStation, etc. But that's, if it happens, it happens. I have to say, Sammy, usually when somebody says, yeah, we were rolling through Taco Bell at 2am, dot, dot, dot, it doesn't usually follow up. Yeah, we made a video game. Usually it follows up with some really bad

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Next thing I know we were in Mexico. I didn't realize I got arrested when I woke up. I don't know if you've ever worked on a video game before, but it is the most depressing type of creative project to work on. Really great for inspiring black metal music. You do all of this. You do every art form. You do basically a narrative. You have music. You have programming. You have visual art, storytelling, etc.

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Every single art form combined into one thing and then you show it to people and it's like this is a toy for children. Yeah. You gross adult. Yeah. And you played it on it too right Tanner? You did some solos and stuff on there? Yeah I did one guest solo on there. Actually no I did help. It's all fake drums. You helped with the drums. I helped the drums too. I mean I played drums on it. I'm really good.

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It's all programmed drums. Tanner didn't play shit. Awesome. Cool. Well, should we do the three albums thing or does somebody else have any other questions for them? No, yeah, let's do it. I want to hear these three albums because it was dropped earlier in the episode and I've been kind of trying to figure this out. Not really. I just wanted to say that, but I am interested. So, yeah.

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So usually when we have guests, we ask what three albums would help listeners better understand you as a person. So I let you guys know that in advance. So hopefully you got some good ones. So let's start with Sammy. Oh, no. I had a really tough time actually picking stuff for this. So I guess, I mean, continuing off of what we were just talking about, let's go with my first pick.

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The Soundtrack for Guilty Gear XX. Is anyone familiar with that? Crickets? You guys are metalheads and has anyone played Guilty Gear? I don't play video games. I can't hear what you say. I actually heard crickets. What is it? Guilty Gear. Guilty Gear. Guilty Gear. Is it a porno?

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I was kind of thinking maybe I do know this. It's set at a Taco Bell at 3 a.m. Guilty Gear has got no rhythm. It's a it's a Street Fighter style fighting game on crack. You can jump 10 more times and you can air dash and all that stuff. But the thing about the game that makes it cool, the guy who made it was a huge metalhead. So every single not every single book character, but like a good 80 percent of every character and every move is a reference to.

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heavy metal stuff. So you've got, like, for example, there's a character that has his special move called Ride the Lightning. You've got a character named Testament. There's a million examples. So I played that game when I was like 12 or 13 years old. And that's how I got into metal was playing that game. Looking up what all the references were to, and I was like, oh, Testament's a cool character. Let me look up what band that references. Like, oh, this band is cool. And just so on and so forth.

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That right there is the coolest answer we've heard ever, I think. There's a lot of legit game music out there, man. I still like the soundtrack from Diablo. The first soundtrack was badass. Well, they release soundtracks regularly now. Final Fantasy, I've seen a full orchestra concert for Final Fantasy. I have a huge vinyl collection of just video game soundtracks. I love the Skyrim stuff.

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It's cool too. In any case, let's hear album number two. One more thought on album number one. No, no, no, no. No more thoughts on Dumpetraps. Jay likes to cut people off. We're all about brevity here. And you're done. The actual soundtrack is incredible. That's probably the thing that I was inspired by the most for the Astral Gunners soundtrack. It's instrumental power metal with some other thrash and death elements.

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elements thrown in there. Standout tracks from it are Holy Orders and Off. She would really highly recommend listening to it. Very cool. Well, yeah, that sounds hugely influential on you. Probably the most influential one. So do I go through all three albums or are we going to jump to Tanner's album number one? No, all you. All me? All right.

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Second album would be Embodiment Collapsing Under the Weight of God by Sculptured. Wow. Part of me was going to put an Agaloc album on this list, but thinking about it more, like I like all of Agaloc's albums, and this is a side project from one of the guitarists from Agaloc. This album was actually probably more influential on me than any of Agaloc's albums, just as one single album.

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Nothing I've heard sounds like it to this day. The drums are absolutely insane. I don't, there's no like cohesive time signature or anything. It's just nonsense. And I love it. The themes of the album are some themes that have kind of ripped off in all honesty. It's the whole album is kind of about just feeling uncomfortable.

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in a human body, anger at God, but not also knowing if God exists. And this suicidal ideation, but with the intention of meeting God, I still haven't ever heard anything quite like it. Awesome. I can second that it's a very strange album, and it does describe Sammy. Wait, was that just sort of like a backhanded? Yeah.

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A Little Bit. Absolutely. I mean, considering how much notoriety Agaloc has gotten, I'm always surprised that some of the side projects from the band members haven't gotten as much recognition because I think that album is just as good as some of the most popular Agaloc stuff. It's always that way, Sammy. We did Thunderdome last time with solo albums from very well-known singers. And people just don't listen

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of that stuff as much as the main band. They never do. The name of a band has so much weight that it's hard to fully describe. Yeah, so album three, it's tough to narrow this down to three albums. I wouldn't want to do it. What's that? I wouldn't want to do it. We just make other people do it. For my third one, I would pick Catch-22.

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by Hypocrisy. That album has a weird history to it as far as I understand. It came out and everyone thought it was way too emo and lame. And it kind of was. So basically, I think they re-recorded the album because they thought, okay, the album quality, sound quality just wasn't good enough. We'll re-record it and people will get it. And then they re-released that re-recorded version and people still said, this sucks, I hate this. And I saw Hypocrisy

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in Minneapolis, I think a year ago now, and they played one song from that album, which was the first track from that album, Don't Judge Me. When I listened to that album, I skipped the first track and listened to every other track after that. So that was the only track they played, and I was just like, really, this is the only one? But after they were done playing it, I just like, I instinctively just put up the metal horns in the air and just shouted, yeah, and I think, uh,

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I'm drawing a blank. It's Peter. Yeah, Peter. He made eye contact with me like he was surprised that I was excited to hear that song because it was crickets in the crowd. Yeah. And that like made there was like a weird connection there. And now when I listen to that album, I listen to track one. Did you guys did you guys fall in love when he locked eyes with you? Maybe. I've had a moment like that. What Joe from Thross and Blonde? No, it was the Sentenced show. You know, another one of my favorite bands is Sentenced.

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And I don't know if they ever came over here more than once, but they did. They were like the very opening band on Inflames, Kill Switch, Engage, and Dark Tranquility, I think. And I went to Virginia to see them. I mean, I watched the other bands too, but that was like, you know, the draw. And, you know, it's a small venue and it was pretty packed.

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And Sentenced is playing. And everybody's just staring at them. And I'm like losing my shit. And so, you know, I stood out a little. And so, I was five, six people back from the stage. And so, the singer, you know, sees me. And so, he's like up on the monitor, like, you know, extending his arm out. And I'm like doing this back. And we're just like singing to each other. And it was fucking cool.

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It was like the greatest thing ever. Was that at Jack's? It was at Jack's. Nice. I do think so. Like people were into every other hypocrisy song at the show. It was just that one. But I do think really good bands will recognize moments like that where it's like, all right, only one guy in the crowd cares about us. Our entire show, we're locking in on that like one part of the crowd. Yeah. Because like you got to pull the energy from somewhere. Exactly. Nice. All right. Well, what do you agree?

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What do you got, Tanner? Is it my turn? Yeah, finally. I'm so embarrassed. I got a fourth one. Hold on. Oh, okay. No, I'm kidding. All right. I'm going to start with one that's probably pretty obvious for some of the songs that have shown up on our albums. Opeth's Ghost Reveries. Ooh. And I chose that one because it kind of describes the part

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that is very meticulous, I guess. It's very clean. It's very polished. It's got the proggy parts. It's got the heavy part. It's got a little bit of everything. And it was basically stuck in my CD player for 10 years of my life in my car. So I feel like I absorbed a little too much of it, maybe. And so it's one of my favorite.

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You know, O-Pet's one of my favorite bands. That's no surprise, I'm assuming. But I feel like that does describe me, even if it's a little on the nose and obvious. But my second album, I'm going to go with the Beach Boys Smile Sessions. I wasn't sure if we were going non-metal albums. You can do whatever you want, Tanner. But I wanted to be different. So

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You know, Pet Sounds is famously one of the greatest albums of all time, I think. I think it's pretty well agreed, I guess. Smile Sessions just does something else for me. I mean, does everyone know the story of it? Basically, it's the unreleased demo tapes of what was supposed to come after Pet Sounds. And there's just something about it that it's got like a

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Four or five fully formed songs with just a ton of little vignette like transition tracks between. So it's like an hour of music and there's a bunch of one 30 second one minute two minute songs on it. So it's like a rap album. It is it is a rap. It's the first rap album. Yeah. I thought. Or a grind album. Yeah. It was actually the first slam album. But.

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Just the harmonizing and the use of instruments on that album is really inspiring to me just to try different things. I don't have many deep thoughts about that one. It just is. I can listen to it any day, any time. The third one is Weird Al's Poodle Hat. Yes, Poodle Hat.

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I love Weird Al. Cheers to that. Weird Al just defined a portion of my life in a way that no other artist really has. I like Running With Scissors a lot too, but Poodle Hat hit me at a formative time in my life, I'll say. It's stuck with me. It kind of just describes my age, I guess, too. That style of humor and the songs he was

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in that album were some of the things that were popular when I was growing up. But

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funny. So

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this is a story about Sammy. I got a picture of Sammy. We've got a group chat.

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We do a cabin weekend every summer. We inherited a little

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trailer out west of the

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Twin Cities here from

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my wife's grandpa. And so

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we've gone there every year for the last five or so

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years. And it's

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Literally five miles north of the biggest ball of twine in Minnesota. And so the picture for the group chat is Sammy standing by the biggest ball of twine. And he had short hair at that time. But I just love looking at that thing. A lot of, you know, I'm flattered that you like looking at a picture. Now we need to see this picture. I'll have to send it to you guys. But just for anybody who doesn't know that Weird Al has a song called

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The Biggest Ball of Twine in Minnesota. That's why I'm making that connection. My five-year-old daughter is obsessed with that song. So every time we go out to the cabin, we have to listen to it like 30 times. I do have to confirm that if you hang out with Tanner for more than like an hour, you will hear Weird Al. It'll show up on a speaker that appeared out of nowhere. I think I know the answer to this question for you, Tanner, but I've been meeting the

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the rest of the guys,

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because we talk all the time.

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If any of you guys watched the,

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his,

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I was just going to ask the same thing.

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It was so funny.

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I liked it so much.

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I just thought the world of it.

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I thought that they just decided let's just fucking,

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well,

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it,

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you know,

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it might take a repeat watch for me because when I watched it,

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I was just like,

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this is fucking garbage.

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I mean,

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I got,

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I got the point that like the entire thing was bullshit.

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And so it just,

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I think I was expecting something else than what I got. And I think I need to go back and see it again because this is like the only thing that he's ever done that I've not liked. So if anybody hasn't watched it, it's just a sarcastic, like nothing in it is real. Yeah. Like the whole thing with him and Madonna. You know, and, and, and that, you know, that beat it, eat it wasn't a takeoff on beat it. It was the other way around, you know, just, it's worth your time. I'd like that stuff, but I don't know.

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I don't know what did you watch it I did yeah I loved it it's if you're clearly I'm the problem yeah you're the problem but no like 10 years ago there was a funny or die skit that was a fake trailer for a movie called weird and it had Aaron Paul you know Jesse Jesse Pinkman from Breaking Bad yeah playing Weird Al and it was this movie is basically just a full-length version of that oh cool like all the same beats all the

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the same Madonna plot points and I'm the weird one all drunk on stage. That's all from that trailer and they just are like yeah let's stretch that out the whole movie but I liked it yeah. Well I mean it's funny just because he is famously just such a nice fucking guy you know like and so down to earth and blah blah blah so anyway. I've been meaning to ask the other guys if they watched it. Yeah I haven't watched it yet I keep meaning to but. I mean don't let me overplay it it's not like amazing or anything but it's just it's a good joke as well. Yeah. I like you

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UHF. UHF's good. Oh. UHF. Spatula City. Spatula City. Nice. Well, that was awesome. All right. Those are very different answers than we've ever gotten. I gotta say. Very much. Very much. We try so hard to be unique and different. Well, the truth is, I feel like if I listen to those records, I wouldn't know you guys at all. It's such a random concomitant of records. I'd be like, what?

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I think it's a clown who lives in the street. What's going on? Maybe it'll help you understand the absence better. Now I want Weird Al to guest star on the next album. Oh man, I can do the accordion solo. Oh, that's pretty good. Actually, our bass player just, Jake just bought a house from his, I think it was his great aunt, and he said that she,

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He used to play accordion and I don't remember if he said he got the accordion or

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I don't know but somehow the possibility of accordion came up so maybe a

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An homage

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Was he

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Just bought his house from his granddad or

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Yes

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Not Weird Al

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Weird Al bought my house

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He came into an accordion

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Weird Al just lives with Tanner now

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Weird Al lives in my basement

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We hang out with Weird Al every week

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He's a super chill dude. It was a great when the pandemic started and you know you couldn't find toilet paper and blah blah blah. I mean my life that I saw on Facebook was of a music store and it was just a big row of accordions and it said limit two per family. That's basically in the movie too. That's awesome. So before we get into t-shirt and beer check I just wanted to mention to everyone.

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listening that the new Metalheads Podcast merch store is now up on our website. You can buy t-shirts not out of the trunk of my car at a Maryland Death Fest. You can actually order them and they will come to your house now. So if you feel like being ostracized for what you wear, go to our website and pick up one of the t-shirts and there might just be some new designs coming soon. We'll see. So anyway, let's move on to t-shirts.

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George's doing a promo. Look at that. Anyway, let's move on to t-shirt and beer check. The time-honored tradition on the podcast where we say what shirt we're wearing, just like you would on the red carpet, and what you're drinking, alcoholic or otherwise. And we're going to start with you guys because you're the guests. So you may choose who goes first. All right. All right. So I'm wearing a

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Button Up Shirt. Nice. That has a checkered blue and gray design. How very Midwest of you. You know, I probably should have, I knew this was going to happen, so I should have worn a more interesting shirt, but you know, this is, this is what you get. So. Wow. Keeping it real. Prep for the cast, buddy. Love it. You guys were just saying how great we were integrated. Yeah. I love it. I think it's awesome. We like people that also try. Yeah. It's a great pattern.

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Let's go together really well. Yeah. Yeah. Can you bring out your eyes? Make some pop down shirt off maybe. And you know, I don't know. Under underneath this button up shirt. I have a plain blue V-neck V-neck. Yeah. I like V-necks. Just a little tuft of hair. Yeah. It gives you a little bit more room to breathe. You know, I don't feel so constricted. I like feeling relaxed. Yeah. So really, really big fan of the V-necks. Mystery follicles. Yeah.

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of this exercise to be fair, but fine. Are you drinking anything legitimate? So I believe that drinking beer is sinful. So what I'm drinking is by antioxidant cocoa fusion. This is Molokai coconut flavor. It has one gram of sugar and no artificial sweeteners. My wife loves that stuff.

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this when I'm traveling. For some reason, I had a really bad headache once when I was driving for like six hours, and I was just like, let me just try this dumb anti-accident shit. And my headache went away. So now, whenever I'm traveling, it's just my good luck charm. Speaking of which, you are in a hotel. Where are you? That's a secret. I'm on a secret.

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I'm in Michigan. I'm in Michigan. I'm from Michigan. I'm near the Grand Rapids area. One of my cousins had a graduation party so I wanted to show up for that. Grand Rapids is nice. I could make that and do this. Congratulations to your cousin. Is it a college or high school? It was a high school graduation.

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So congratulations to your cousin. And your nephew. Congratulations to everyone. Indeed. Yeah, I grew up outside Ann Arbor, so I'm Midwest at heart. Midwest is a good place. Yeah, I like it here. Where is everyone now? Now I'm in Maryland. Like, I'm in the, what do we call it? The DMV, the DC, Maryland, Virginia triangle.

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I'm not in the city but I'm across the bay from the city. I'm in Virginia. I'm part of the DMV too but I'm in the V part of the DMV. I'm in the M part in Maryland. And I guess you know where Microsoft's from? Chicago. I'm in a Minneapolis suburb. Oh which suburb? Edino. Oh cool. Yeah I'm in Golden Valley. Oh nice. Yeah. Cool. Is it my turn to do the t-shirt walk of shave as it's going to be?

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That's the new name for it. So I looked through my drawers. I knew the assignment. And there was nothing in there. Nothing. I'm an extreme uncollector. I do not buy stuff. And I haven't been to many shows since being an adult. You could have thrown on an Oak Pantheon shirt.

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My wife took that one.

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I don't know where she was.

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So I'm wearing a gray shirt.

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It's my invisible ink Gorgas shirt, I guess.

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You have to spill beer on it to make it show up.

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Right.

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So I'm trying something new.

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I'm trying this called Sticky Bubbles.

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It's like an Imperial Seltzer.

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And it's got Imperial Hard Seltzer with Blackberry, Lemon, and Basil. It's from Big Lake, Minnesota. Lupulin Brewing. I heard your accent when you said Minnesota. That's the first time I've collected. Minnesota. Oh, no. You didn't hear nothing. It's like 9% alcohol. It's pretty good. Wow. For seltzer? Yeah. It's not super fizzy. It's pretty sweet, I guess, but it's pretty good.

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I have something on deck. I'm almost done with this one. Let's see. On deck. I was on a job site last week and I got this Hershey's Chocolate Porter. Oh, I've had that. Oh, yeah. The England. Oh, yeah. Pennsylvania Springwater. Yeah, the contractor. I don't know if he was from there or something, but he basically is the old. Yeah, America. It says it right here. America's oldest brewery.

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And he says it tastes like a Hershey's bar. And he was talking it up. Apparently he was drinking on the job. It was chocolate. So I mean, come on. Yeah. Well, it's just food. So yeah, yeah, exactly. So I'll crack that open soon. Yeah. All right. Mark is on. Just so you know, Tanner, you win that round against Sammy. I win every round against. Oh, throws down the headset.

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You know what? I am drinking a cup of hotel coffee that I'm going to get charged $20 for. I think I lost harder. Yeah, you've lost points on the man meter. So before I forget Tanner, Tracy says hi. Hi, Tracy. And so I just finished Brimminghorn lion's tooth. It's a honey grape apple pear meat.

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I got it in the club. You know what's funny? It's meads with strong. I've got now literally right over here off screen. I have that George for the last four but like the last year's worth of clubs meads still unboxed. So four packages worth of mead. So like 16 bottles of mead sitting right there. I'll drive up to your house and drink them with you. Yeah, do that. You should definitely do that. And find some time to get Will on and drink it.

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But now I'm drinking, and I've been saving this for a while, and it's called Haku Taku, and it is a whiskey barrel-aged Imperial Rice Stout, 12.5%. And I thought I'd drink it because I'm going to Hawaii tomorrow. You are. Oh, Kaka Leaky. Yeah, Tracy's going out there to do a little work, and I get a free trip as the spouse. I get one free trip. Life is so rare, you do.

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And so I'm going to do that. And I get to go back. We're going to do Maui and then going back to Honolulu. I'm going to do a signing out there for By the Horns. So I was like, all right, a rice stout. That's Hawaii-esque. But yeah, this is delicious. I don't think I've ever had a rice stout. No. That'd be interesting. I've had rice ales, but not rice stout. It's crazy. 12.5%. I wonder if Hittichino does anything.

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I have that is that rice too yeah but I wonder if they have one this one's by um Martin House Brewing Company and I came in a cardboard box where you had two two of these beers in it sitting in it so it was a really cool packaging and um so yeah I really dig this I'll have to uh to seek it out again but I feel pretty hammered now after these two things what are you wearing

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Oh, it's an enslaved. That's what it is. I saw the E and I'm like, I'm seeing rainbows tomorrow. And I'm wearing enslaved. Nice. Make love to the camera. Nice. I got this on the, when they came out here, the recent tour. So I think it has the tour dates on the back. Excellent. Which is pretty awesome. You haven't seen the back? I almost got in a fight. But I told you guys about that. Yeah.

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But other than that, it was still pretty fun. Cool. All right, Matt. I finished what was a cold IPA from one of my favorite local breweries, Blackstack. I think it was called Without a Trace. And then I'm going to start. It's called, the brewery is Kunhen. It is a barrel-aged old ale, a highly rated old ale. That's all I can say so far.

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and toasted marshmallow-like character, blah, blah, blah. So basically my speech will slow down soon. And then I'm wearing a Crip Sermon shirt. This is the Crip Sermon shirt I bought. So I bought a Crip Sermon shirt at Decibel, not this last time, but the time before. And it was a little bit snug. Like they were low on sizes and I was just hell-bent on getting a Crip Sermon shirt. And so I'm still working through the sit-ups. So I bought this one as, you know, until I have those washboard abs to fit into the shirt.

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You'll get there soon, Matt. Soon. I remember you buying that, Matt, because they had the little kid sizes only. And I wanted to get one, too. Half shirt for you, John. Why not? It's a fucking headband, man. What do you know we're all family? I'm going to wear it next time, and we'll see how it looks. That'll be the next Thunderdome. That fucking, that band's due for a new album, too. Yeah, they are. Yeah, they are. All right, John. All right.

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Shirt First. I dug this out today. Prague Power 8. That's a long time ago. Coming up this year. So I don't know how I found this in my drawer. I was like, hey, I wonder if that still fits. And lo and behold, it still does. But just saying something, because that's from 2007. Way to date yourself, John. Dude, come on. If I could date myself, wouldn't that be awesome? Oh, wait. Come on. I wish I had lesser dates. All right. So my first beer from the Metalheads Butler gave me this. Metalheads Butler! All right.

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So that one we've all had. This one's for you, Matt. So I am drinking, and you guys will appreciate this, Double Oaked Macedon, Belgian-style dark ale aged in bourbon and wine barrels from Rheingeist Brewery in Cincinnati, Ohio. The barreling is done by New Riff Distillery. This is good stuff. So there's the bottle. Again, Matt, Double Oaked Macedon.

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Nice.

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All right, Jay, what coffee you got?

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I was trying to fool you.

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No, you almost had me that time.

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Is he frozen?

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You almost had me.

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I'm not living in the desert yet.

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That really plays well to the audio audience.

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Yeah.

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I am just a water when the coffee comes next.

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And I'm eating a fake chicken sandwich.

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But the shirt is the motorhead.

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Okay, I swear you were wearing Merciful Fade earlier. When Iron Fist came out, you've seen it a million times. It's because my t-shirts are like a pitching staff. They're on rotation, and Saturday is... Exactly. Jam the same way. It's like, he's starting again this week? Fuck, he just started three days ago. Well, this is my first time wearing it on here. I just got this new old Sisters of Mercy first and last and always shirt. I saw them a week and a half ago.

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for the first time. However, I did not purchase this there because all the shirts that they had for sale there were garbage. So I went to hottopic.com and ordered a real shirt. Like a real prepubescent wood. Exactly. Exactly. I was a little shamed, but you know, when I was in the show, it smelled like Hot Topic. So it was all incense and cloves and, you know, fishnets. And I've never been to a goth

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¿Qué te ha hecho? ¿Puedo ver el show? ¿Puedo ver el show?

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I don't think they have a bass player. There was two guitar players, the singer, the keyboard slash drum machine guy. And the one rhythm, I don't rhythm, the one guitar player guy did backup vocals and his mic was twice as hot as the lead vocalist. So all we got were backup vocals and drum machine. Nice. So it was, it was cool to see Andrew.

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But it was a pretty shitty show. Was the guitarist tuned to drop A though so they didn't need a bassist? I don't know. All we could hear was backup vocals. Yeah. And they were bad backup vocals. I mean Andrew's vocals are kind of deep. I don't know if you know Sister's Mercy but they're kind of deep. So this guy was going high. So he kind of cut through and that was all you could hear.

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and he wasn't really all that in key. So it was bad. George, where'd you see the one? Fillmore. That's weird too because Fillmore usually has pretty good sound. Yeah, well, it was the first night of the tour. So maybe they were trying to work shit out. I don't know. So shit show then basically. Yeah, I know Sergei was actually supposed to see them, I think a couple days ago. Jay, I don't know if he... I think he had a conflict, but I'll ask him how it was if he did go. I think there was some other beer festival or something he chose to go to.

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He said there was some stuff. Yeah, he had like 47 beer fests and concerts in like 13 days. So I was curious if it sounded any better, but. Yeah, I'll ask him. Anyway, so that's my shirt. I started off with a new beer that I hadn't tried before. It's New Trail Brewings Double Replenish Double IPA. I was like, it's a West Coast. I'm in. So you can see through it. Yeah. But then I had to go hazy just because I'm not going to go.

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I'm a nerd because Black Flag has nerf herder. And I'm like, you scruffy nerf herder. I have to drink you. Was that an approved beer, by the way? Huh? Was that an approved beer, by the way? Oh, I don't. I would assume not. It's from Black Flag in Columbia here. You can cut that out. I was referring to our friend Warren. Well, yeah. I mean, Warren used to work at Black Flag, which is why I don't tend to buy Black Flag anymore because he doesn't work.

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there anymore.

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Yeah, I know.

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I'm just joking.

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But Nerf Herder, come on.

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I gotta try it.

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I love Warren.

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Yeah, we all love Warren.

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All right.

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Some decibel.

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Yep.

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Hell yeah, man.

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All right, let's move on to the news.

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First up, Iron Maiden has still not been inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, despite being in the top five fan vote. Is anyone surprised? No, you shouldn't be surprised because the fan vote means nothing. It literally gives you one vote on the whole panel. I just found that out. One fucking vote. It's a big fucking scam just to make people feel like they're engaged. Four of the five didn't get in the top five. That's right. Yeah. But they shouldn't even do a fan vote.

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if it's not going to influence the timing. It makes you think you're contributing, and all you're contributing to is just a waste. It's just like democracy. That's bullshit. One vote out of how many? One. Oh, the panel's huge. I don't even know how big it is. So it's really completely... It's like the Hollywood foreign press. Yeah, it's just... And the funny thing is, is that there was somebody that's on the panel that their band got in, which I thought was kind of funny. Tom Morello was on the panel, and lo and behold, raged him against

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the machine gets in. I'm like, really? Come on, guys. You're saying they're more important than Maiden? I know. I mean, Ridge deserves it. Yeah, I think we should have been in a long time ago. Well, they absolutely do. No. I want to give a hot take. I think Iron Maiden is better off not being in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. It makes them cooler. Oh, it does. It lets them keep their edgy vibe, even though they're not edgy anymore by moderate standards. But, you know, they're cooler because of it. You know what my take is, Sammy, is that

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It's not that they're in or out. It's the hypocrisy of the hall to say, well, you know, we want to put in bands that are influential, that have inspired other bands, that have sold records, that are still doing it today. Okay, that is everything that's made and not the people that went in before them. Hey, but on the plus side, because Dolly Parton went in last year, she has now done, what was it, Stairway to Heaven? Yeah, she's done a rock album. She did a rock album. She's in Willie Nelson's in Who's Next?

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I did too, but he's not rock. He's like stoner country. Taylor Swift. We hate the rock and roll Hall of Fame, but it just makes us mad every time. Yeah, this is our annual bitch fest about the Hall of Fame. The thing of it is, she was made and they were snubbed a couple years ago and the CEO of the hall actually addressed it. And so for that to happen again. It's like they just have to wait their time. Another thing I don't like is

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I don't see a lot of bands protesting inductions on behalf of other bands and who are more deserving I think have been around longer and accomplished more. John's talking about rage like we know rage they're all about fight the power activism and stuff like that. I would think I would hope that they would stand up for Maiden because they do love metal as well and just say something about it. I'd like to see that more and I just don't see that because it's just ridiculous.

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That is a very metal thing to do, to just be like, hey, we don't want this award. These guys deserve more. The Sex Pistols did that. Johnny Rotten told them to fuck off. It's like a punk metal kind of move, but how many punk metal bands actually get... Those genres just don't get recognized by the music. And then when they do get it, they're like, oh, thanks. Yeah, of course. So Marcus, to answer your question, the only time I've ever seen anyone...

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the band's play. I'm curious, and I'm also curious to hear what they say in their induction speeches, but... Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's what I'm getting to. The Foo Fighters were the only band ever to protest because they inducted Rush, and Dave Grohl took a massive shot at the committee by naming all of their albums in order and basically took shots at them during the speech, which was awesome. And then Alex Lifeson did the infamous blah, blah, blah speech for

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For three minutes, he said nothing but blah, blah, blah. If you haven't seen it, honestly, even if you don't like Rush, it's one of the greatest moments because if you watch it a couple times, you start to know exactly what he's saying. You're like, okay, so they're kids at this point. This is when I got the call. He's excited. And then you can see the band behind him just like, what the fuck is he doing? Yeah. And I have hope that maybe Rage will do that when they get on stage because they're known for that. So that would be great. I would love to see

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more of that. You just don't see it that often.

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That's what they're getting in for. They're not getting it.

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Actually, the president said, well, they're going or they're right up on the site was they're going in because of their social part of their band, you know?

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And I'm like, shouldn't you be going in because of being a good musical band and all meeting all the criteria of selling albums and influencing other bands?

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I can't think of another band's influence more metal bands, good or bad than Maiden.

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Yeah, but metal doesn't matter.

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We got the best genre of metal because of Iron Maiden. We got power metal because of that. Yes. I take it back. I don't think that should be in. You've got power metal on your album, Tanner. Now you have to take that back. That's true. You're right. Priest and Maiden were held out and they inspired all these power metal bands, which is so funny. There's so many power metal bands. They're being punished.

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Maybe the committee has heard power metal and they're like, guys, what did you do? What have thou wrought? I just laughed because maybe we'll do a show in Brazil and still play in front of 200,000 people. Yeah. 40 some years into their career, whether you like them or not. I want to say how many of those other bands are playing in front of 5,000 people? Yeah. Yeah. But you know, saying that they keep snubbing them of all the bands, one of the biggest bands ever. They've only been nominated twice, I think. I know. But right. And like in 2021,

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or something. But look who didn't get in with them. Did you guys see the other four that didn't get in, or other three? Warren Zeevon didn't. Soundgarden didn't. And Soundgarden didn't. I thought Soundgarden was a lot to get in. Who else is getting in this year? Kate Bush. Yeah, she's only getting in because of the song recently. Absolutely, John. I mean, she's great, but that's why. Oh, Stranger Things? Yeah, the Stranger Things. Her name never came up in the past.

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Crowe, Willie Nelson. Yeah. I mean, I like them, but... You know, the people you'd expect. Yeah. There was one other one. I'm trying to think that got... Oh, the spinners are getting in, which I'm like, wow. They're finally getting in? Like, are any of them still alive at this point? I want to see Warren Zevon in there. He is one of my personal favorites. He just has to wait his turn. He's dead. He's not going anywhere. It doesn't make any sense when some artists who came out like,

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20 years or more.

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Guns N' Roses got in on their first time.

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And how many other bands?

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Wait your time.

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Wait your time.

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If they're going to let Willie Nelson in, they better do it ASAP.

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Yeah.

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Is he like 90 now?

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He's like literally in his 90s now.

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I think he just turned 90.

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I just read his book like a couple months ago.

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And he's still touring.

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It's crazy.

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I hope he lights up on stage when he goes up there.

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Yeah.

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Oh, yeah.

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If you remember, that's kind of a, I'm referencing, um, beer fest, you know, at the end of beer fest. I don't, have you guys ever seen the movie? Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Sorry. I'm thinking like, you know, decibel. No, no. At the very end of beer fest, the guys that are all part of the beer team actually stumble into the wrong place. And it's apparently like pot fest and Willie Nelson is the one that greets them at it. I always thought that was kind of funny. Yeah. He's a character, man. All right. No more hall of fame. All right. Well, let's,

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Let's move on to another piece of Iron Maiden news, which now Iron Maiden are the bad guys because they're attempting to block the trademark of Maiden underwear from Maiden wear. Now, at first I was like, all right, that seems kind of a dick move. But then, you know, you read more about it and it's like, what would you say, like Renaissance themed kind of stuff.

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It's like corsets. Which, okay, could technically, you know, make people think of metal, which could lead you to some misunderstandings. If it was like, if it was like maiden wear and it was, you know, hip hop stuff, I don't think we'd have a problem. Do they have anything on their site that says maiden wear whatsoever? You can't trademark maiden. Yeah, you could. Yeah, you can. You could. You could, but it's just. Does the logo look similar?

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What's... Yeah, I mean, is Eddie their logo? I couldn't find... The only thing I found was an Etsy page. So I couldn't find anything. I don't see the logo or anything. It doesn't look like... Cease and desist is working. Yeah, I suppose so. Markison, you can trademark and register anything. Yes, you can, but it's a common word, though. You know, it's not... Well, that's the whole point of it. They're trying to fight this on a common word, so... That's an online.

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a trademark right now. It was like one of the food companies. Oh, Taco Bell. Taco Bell's fighting the trademark on Taco Tuesday. Oh, no, poor Sammy. I love Taco Tuesday. I don't want them to take it away. But the problem is that it's some like small that I'd never heard of company before that trademarked it. And Taco Bell is like, hey, we want to be able to call it Taco Tuesday as well.

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And it's kind of like happy birthday. If you say taco Tuesday, you owe these people money. And, uh, well, he had the expression three Pete. You ever heard of that in sports? Three Pete? Yeah. Is it, um, Oh shit. The guy who used to be at the Lakers, Pat Riley, I think he trademarked or registered three Pete. So anytime a team wants to use that on any of their paraphernalia, if their sports franchise is going to win three championships, he gets a cut of it. Well, I hope, I hope all these people realize that ultimately they all owe their

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to Gene Simmons.

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I don't know.

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He created the world in

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however many days.

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He created Orange Juice, remember?

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He's the god of thunder.

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I think I've got to wait for Oak Pantheon

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to make more money, Sammy.

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It's going to involve you

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infiltrating a high school

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and learning the newest lingo

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and then trademarking it.

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Pretty much.

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But don't get caught.

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That's a good idea.

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Yeah. Let's not do that. We can sell t-shirts. Oh my God. He's asking me questions. I just pictured Sammy. Never been kissed too. I just pictured him in 21 Jump Street. Yeah. Oh, that's even better. Hey guys. Even better. How old was that guy? Andrew Greco in that? Was he like 30 something years ago? Richard Grieco. Richard Grieco. Yeah. I don't know.

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He's sold.

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Oh man, I watched part of an episode because it came up on my like sling thing

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because I used to watch it when I was a kid and I was like, you know what?

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It's not quite that bad.

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It's not that bad of a show.

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It's not.

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It wasn't that bad.

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I never watched it.

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We watched it like, I don't know, 10 years ago.

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I don't know.

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We had DVDs of it when Netflix was.

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Isn't that Steven Williams?

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Isn't he the boss of them?

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Stephen Williams, who was Mr. X in the X-Files? I think it was. I think it is. Yeah, he is. Yeah, Mr. X is awesome. I love that guy. Might not be a popular opinion. Now, my wife back in the Johnny Depp heyday was a huge fan, so we had to dig into his... Oh, yeah. Johnny Depp was like my favorite actor because he did Dead Man. He just did all these awesome indie movies, and then he just got weird. Hey, I'm not going to lie. I like at least the first couple

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Pirates movies, you know, because he's just all, you know, what you can't see are the awesome hand gestures. Okay. Did you guys hear who he was trying to impersonate Keith Richards? Yeah. Yeah. That's why Keith Richards plays his dad in one of the movies. It's just, it's perfect because yeah, if you know anything about Keith Richards, literally Johnny Depp is

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pretty close to speaking just like him yeah dead man is awesome too by the way the

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soundtrack to that fucking movie so yeah neil young did that yep our so good sean our engineer is

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obsessed with that movie and i've never watched it so it's absolutely fantastic i really i love it

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it's just something it's it's funny but it's spiritual at the same time and i don't know there's

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something about it just puts me in a strange mood that i don't feel in any other film and a lot of it

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with the soundtrack that Neil Young is. Just guitar. Yeah, you come out of it sort of, not creeped out. I don't know what it is either, but it definitely affects your mood. But it's such a good movie. It's probably an accurate depiction of what the West was really like in some ways. It's just a strange film. Weird actors in it, like E-pop. Yeah, I love it. It's like one of my top five movies. Did he have a shirt on? No, he has a dress on. He wears a dress.

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I don't think he's ever worn a shirt for the last 50 years. And he eats a lot of possum. All right. So our next item is the fact that DSI is done recording or yeah, it sounds like I think recording their new record that is not named. It does not have a record label connected to it yet. And we know nothing about it, but apparently they're done. So, yeah, looking forward to that. Mastered now. And they said in an interview that it's going to get pretty progressive. What?

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The DSI Changing? That's unusual. Will's going to hate it. Well, I'm curious. I mean, you know, like the first couple albums I liked a lot. Since then, I've just been sort of on whatever. So we'll see. I think them shaking things up would be a good thing because they are one of those bands that are like, they're classic, but also like, I just forgot they existed until just now. Yeah, well, it was cool seeing them on the Legion.

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That was pretty good.

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Because the first time I saw them.

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You're right, but they do disappear for great periods of time.

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Yeah.

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I saw them at Jack's 20 years ago.

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I don't know.

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And there were like 10 people there.

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And, you know, Glenn was all fat and shit, which, you know, happens to most of us.

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Yeah.

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But it was a horrible show.

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They sounded terrible.

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Glenn bitched that there were only 10 people there.

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I was like.

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But then last year or whatever.

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I think it was last year MDF when they did the Legion thing that was pretty fucking awesome so well they got the new guitarist last year Taylor Nordberg from In Human Condition and of the absence which kind of ties in so I wonder if that'll have an effect on the album but it was who said that it was going to be progressive so has there ever been a more metal name than Taylor Nordberg by the way sounds like a real

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I don't know what sounds like a department store unless his nickname is nordy if his nickname is nordy than not sounds like a hockey player then watch out pup you coming your way then yeah he does sound like a pretty mean yeah especially if you if you do it in that Minnesota accent well yeah it's gonna keep coming out a little stronger as a pound

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So does that mean you have to actively

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repress it?

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Maybe. I don't know.

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It might be that it's produced by alcohol.

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Maybe. Let's explore that as the podcast wears on.

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All right. Well, apparently...

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When you get that Snuggie on, maybe you could drop

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some accent on us, too.

01:35:08.760 --> 01:35:09.640
I would love to.

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I've been in Maryland now for

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23, 24 years,

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and apparently when I got

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here I had a Midwest accent that I did not know I had. And I just now disappeared. I'm now an East Coaster. I was born in Wisconsin. Then I went to Missouri and then Arizona. And now I just have what I call newscaster English. It just doesn't have it. You sound like me. You got no accent. Yeah. Yeah. That's the way I see it. But I used to be heavy Wisconsin accent. I had the Minnesota thing.

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You got no accent at all. Speaking of accents and hockey, have you guys watched Shorzy? Yeah. Kenny's spinoff? Not yet. Because holy fuck is that good. That is funny shit, dude. You gotta watch that. If you haven't watched Letter Kenny, you gotta watch that first. There's a new episode of Letter Kenny out too. What? Oh, there is? Yes. Well, Shorzy is great. Shorzy, it's almost, it's episodic. Like it, it has a story to it, which I did not expect.

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But you actually see him now. You see him. He's that same crazy character in it, but it has a really great story. Tracy and I loved Shorzy. So watch it. He's the best. I love Shorzy. You guys familiar with Ladder Kenny? I know. I've watched a couple episodes of it a few years ago. I'm familiar, but I wouldn't know the characters' names. I had it recommended to me after years of being obsessed with Trailer Park Boys and all my friends.

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I like Yellow Park Boys more, but Letterkenny's also good. Well, I'm saying try Shorzy because you don't even need to know anything about Letterkenny to watch that show. And it's a different show because like I said, it's more of, it has more of a story to it than Letterkenny, which is just Hulu. Hulu, yeah. There's too many streaming services now. It's ridiculous. Exactly. Oh, I have a spreadsheet now because I can't keep anything straight. Yeah, dude.

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There's like all these series that I hear about and I'm like, oh, I gotta watch that. And I'm like, I don't even fucking know. Which, by the way, right now I'm watching the White House Plumbers is fucking awesome. Oh, yeah. I saw the trailer for that. It's a fucking riot, dude. The guy who plays G. Gordon Liddy is so fucking funny. That sounds like an HGTV show. I'm going to make an off-the-wall recommendation. Anyone watch Chimp Empire yet? I didn't even recruit that.

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It is the most, I'm not going to say best, but the most entertaining nature documentary I've ever watched. It's basically just following the, like, politics and warfare of chimpanzees. It's basically like Game of Thrones, but with monkeys. That sounds actually very interesting. I'm willing to bet 80% of it, maybe 99% of it is highly dramatized, but I've never had that much, like,

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I sat down to watch his background noise and I was just glued to the TV. What's it on? It was on Netflix, I think. Okay, cool. I mean, I gotta watch that. Just the name alone has me intrigued. I don't want to spoil too much, but the basic premise is there's these two warring factions of chimpanzees. One's this giant empire with one alpha at the top and then the other one's like this anarchist structure where everyone has equal power. It's great.

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Wait a minute. Is this Planet of the Apes? No. This is what chimpanzees do in the wild. Allegedly. John, I was thinking this is the next concept for the next album. There you go. I've already got like five songs written about this. I'm in. We could like totally have like an album cover with like a chimp in a monolith in the background and he's like tearing his skin apart. Somebody walked into a network pitch room with like an hour presentation and said, okay, it's called Chimp Emblem.

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And they were like, we'll take it. That's fine. You can just skip the rest of the presentation. We're signing on. Yeah. Oh, man. It sounds like the first Orc Paladin record. And hopefully the chimp is wearing a button down with a V-neck. Wow. The alpha. Of course. Maybe we should talk about Ozzy now. Yeah. Ozzy. The headline is Ozzy refuses to stop doing shows, even though he keeps canceling.

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He can refuse all he wants. He's done. Well, he's doing the... He's got one thing. He's doing one-offs. And he'll be sitting in a fucking chair when he's doing it. Hey, Phil Collins did that, and I watched it. He said, this was with Metal Hammer, and he said he'd get back out on stage even if he's wheeled out there. And he said, I mean, you can't retire from this game. It's not a job. It's a fucking passion. I don't know what to do, how to do anything else. What am I going to do?

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I'm a road dog, you know. I've been doing it fucking 55 years. It's the best thing to have ever happened to me. Translation, Sharon says get your ass back on the road. Make mama some money. I say he's done. He can say that all he wants. Have you seen any footage of him lately, man? He is a fucking wreck. Yeah, but have you heard the new album? Not that it's like the greatest thing ever, but he can still sing. No, I know, but I mean, he's, you don't need to see some, find

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The most recent footage you can of him, I mean, his Parkinson's has taken over, the guy can't stand up. Well, I mean, just listen to the... He talks like this now. I mean, he... Yeah, if you listen to the Ozzy Speaks thing on XM with him and Billy, you know, and then Billy's like, yeah. The new albums, the music's not so bad and his voice sounds good, but it sounds, it's so tuned up. Yeah. They're processed big time. Process. Yeah. And done by committee, you know, done by corporate committee. I mean,

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I think the producer...

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...great since Diary of a Madman.

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A couple other things after that were okay,

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but he made two seminal 80s metal records,

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and he's been kind of a joke since for me.

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Hey, Zach Wilde, Eris.

01:41:28.520 --> 01:41:29.320
No, I know, I know.

01:41:29.620 --> 01:41:30.940
I like a few Zach Wilde albums.

01:41:31.080 --> 01:41:34.340
I know, and I know that's a common feeling on this podcast.

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I stopped at No More Tears.

01:41:36.880 --> 01:41:38.000
No More Tears is good.

01:41:38.380 --> 01:41:41.140
His best song is, oh, what is it?

01:41:41.900 --> 01:41:43.560
Oh, Perry Mason is his best song.

01:41:43.560 --> 01:41:45.120
Yeah, that one was hit or miss.

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I liked on that album. Then I checked out after that. That was it. I don't mean to be hard on him. I just, I think he's been done for a while. And I think the state of his health is he's not. Jay, do you feel like he's turning into, it's going to be a Motorhead video out there at some point where that last couple of shows for Lemmy, you're just like, I can't watch this. It was hard. Yeah. And I feel like that's going to be him at some point. I don't know. You know, the producer of this album

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The Last Album, I forget his name, but he's like a musician as well. And I think he's probably, you know, writing most of the music based on... Is it Roy Z? No, I think it's like Alex something. If it was, it'd be a really good album then. Andrew something, yeah. Andrew something. Yeah, and... He's a pretty young guy. And so he's like got good ideas, and then he's like, all right, bring in Ozzy and let him sing this stuff. And Post Malone. And, well, yeah, that was a bad idea. God, that was so bad. But the last album, was it Ordinary Man?

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Under the Graveyard, that is one of my favorite Ozzy songs. And not because it's technically great or anything, I just relate to it and the hooks, they're good. And same thing with Patient No. 9, it's got hooks. It may not be what you want to listen to, but if it comes on the radio, I'm going to turn it off. I'll listen to that over Scream. Yeah, no, Scream is terrible. I try to imagine, though, being in his position and literally that's all you've done your whole life.

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Yeah, like I'm not going to go see any of those shows, but I do have a degree of respect. Oh, of course. Of course. Of course. And I don't mean to be take this with a grain of salt because I agree with you. Like that's what he's been doing is cranking it out. But it's like when I heard Eric claps and had arthritis, like it's hard for me to feel sorry for somebody with hundreds of millions of dollars. And, you know, he can do whatever the fuck he wants. Like go relax, dude. Go enjoy your life. Yeah. And if you really can't do it and not be on a tour bus, I just don't get it. Yeah. I'm with Jay on this too.

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The third album is my favorite. I know. You keep saying that. It's good. It's not right. It's where I came in. Bark at the Moon. I know. That's usually what happens. Where you come in is where you plant your flag usually. By the way, it's not for me to say I get it. I totally think Tanner's right. If you've been on his treadmill all that time, it must be really hard to get off. I personally like Ozzy. I think he's probably a pretty good dude.

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He's made some music I love. So I'm sorry to hear it. It's just I personally don't. I think he I don't even know if he'll make this big Coachella thing he's supposed to be part of. It's not Coachella, but it's taking place in that area. Yeah, I remember I seen it's like Guns N' Roses, Ozzy, Metallica or something. It's like huge. It's like all these huge bands. Yeah, it's like 600 bucks. It's tough for me because I feel like he's having a good time. He's recording songs with people who want to do stuff with him. And that's fun. I think it's just like

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He's not making music that is great or relevant anymore. And that's what we have more of a problem with. Yeah. And so I don't know. It's always I mean, should he just like retire and just, you know, live on the great things he did before? Or should he keep going and have fun with it? I think I think if you like doing it, you should keep doing it, you know, the fuck he wants. But I just don't think he can. I don't think he's going to cancel shit. He's not going to make that stuff. Look at him. I think we missed the point.

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Maybe he's trying to get out of the house because of who's in the house. Maybe we should stop slagging him so much and give him some support. We all kind of understand this. Well, he said he's a road dog. Like, he's probably not happy just hanging out in that house. And who knows what's going on in there? Oh, yeah. He could go out on the road with Jack again and do another show about traveling, you know? I don't. Ozzy's already. Those are actually bad, actually. I never saw it, but I wanted to.

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to me, Ozzy's an icon and you're never going to be able to take that away. He made some amazing music, fucking help start metal. So he can do whatever he wants. It's not going to take away or tarnish the legacy for me. I'm just not going to listen to that stuff. That's all. I agree. Yeah, that's fine. He, you know, it's for him, right? It's, you think about, you think about, you know, your grandma that gets old and stops going out to see someone and all of a sudden she's, you know, declining because she's not doing

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anything that's stimulating.

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That's a good point.

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If grandma wants to keep baking cookies, I'm going to keep eating them.

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It's for his own mental and physical health.

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Take it back to us, Oak Pantheon.

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It's like not that many people really care, but it's for us.

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Well, they should.

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Well, I cared.

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Your In Pieces album was my number three in 2016.

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I mean, listen, I cared back then.

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Yeah, I should say I cared back then.

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I'm pretty sure you guys are going to show up on our lists. We're doing mid-year next month. We're going to protest that list. You should. You guys are never getting in the Hall of Fame. We're going to have to shut down our list because Pantheon's pissed. I did not mean to turn that back to us. I'm just making the point that it's at this point for him. We'll bleep out your picks every time your name comes up.

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You guys need to realize though. I mean, you're on the metalheads podcast right now. This is the height. This is the best it's going to get. Oh, great. Wonderful. Yeah. After this, it's all downhill for us. Wow. I really expected to get like, not a lot out of my life, but a little bit more. Ouch. Once this is edited about what a week from now, three people are going to sit down and listen to this very intently. Hey, I mean, I hope one day, Sammy, you can afford to buy a

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I have a lot. I'm sure you do. Sammy actually does have a lot of metal shirts. I failed you guys. He's traveling. I want to make a public apology right now to the Metalheads podcast and their community. I have let you down and I will do it again. I'm going to make it a point of not wearing a metal shirt for the next episode. I'm going to make it a point to not wear a shirt at all.

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We should dress up. We should wear bow ties. Okay, so that's a great idea. Who remembers the episode where I was in drag? Hello? Oh, George has dressed up. That is true. I did an episode in drag. Thank you very much. That was special. I don't remember why, but I did. I don't remember why either. I just remember being confused. Yeah. All right. Who's next? Next. Ah, next up. Oh, this is a sad one.

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So Exodus's Gary Holt has started to go fund me for his brother who was involved in an accident in Rome. Apparently he was on vacation in Rome his first day there and he got hit by a, I think it was a taxi. That's right. Yep. And, uh, and spent three days sitting on a gurney in the hallway of a hospital. I'm like, dude, I hear you brother. I mean, I, after my Wacken experience and the shit that I went through in Berlin,

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I hear you.

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But hopefully he's going to be okay.

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It sounds like he just needs some surgery.

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Yeah, I mean, and Gary was talking about like he works at a coffee shop.

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He saves up all this money to go on these trips and he turned his life around.

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I don't know what his life was in the past, maybe drugs or something like that.

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But Exodus fan.

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Yeah.

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And then, you know, this happens to him.

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So it's on the GoFundMe.

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It's called Help Charles Holt Get Home and Get Well. They already reached their goal. They're at 62,000 of 60,000, so that's great. But yeah, the taxi driver actually put him in the taxi and dropped him off. They don't even know really what happened, but he broke his femur. Do you think he gave him a break on the fare? He gave him a femur break. That's what happened. You know what? Let's make that $10 even. I feel kind of responsible. Yeah. Sorry, that is a sense.

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I saw an update today where they were supposed to fly back here and United wouldn't let them fly becomes some sort of medical thing like you're not supposed to bleed on the seats so like they were he was doing like the thumbs up to leave and he's like yeah this actually never happened so they're still stuck but that sucks yeah now and it's interesting too because people think you know Gary Holt's been around a long time has been in a lot of great bands but he doesn't you know he doesn't make a ton of money but sometimes people think because

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you've been in these bands and then you're known that you have all these riches and it isn't really the case so i you know it's a really sad event i hope he gets better quickly but also it's a good just a good reminder that a lot of these bands especially metal bands they just don't make a lot of money touring and doing things they do it out of passion and love you know not everybody can be a structural engineer like tanner yeah yeah just the structure engineers are the highest paid engineers in the world so

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That's a joke. Is that true? Probably. But without them, there's no structure. Astro engineers? No, like computer, computer engineer, like software engineers get paid a lot of money. We do. And we don't get paid as much money. We don't do work. I am not complaining. We're, we do fine, but. Sounds like you're complaining. I was going to ask, is this, this is Gary Holtz. Was it his brother? Yeah. This is his brother. Yeah. Yeah. Sammy, what do you do as a normal job?

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I do a variety of things. Mostly I've done like programming and database. Oh, the video games. Yeah, that's where I came in. Yeah. But yeah, mostly right now I'm working on database stuff. Oh, okay. Like Oracle or SQL server or SQL server I've done a lot with in the past. Right now I'm using some third party software to do inventory management. And

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It's not as nice as just having direct access to SQL server. Let's get into the nitty gritty of this. Let's get down to numbers. I can. I use SQL every single day. I've been an IT contractor for 24 years, so I know a little bit. There was a point in my life where I thought being a SQL developer was like my dream job, and then I did that for like three or four years. I was like, what the fuck was I thinking?

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I don't know.

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Although it just lands flat because there was some stuff.

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Fucking idea what you're talking about.

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So true, King.

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It reminds me of the Steve Martin bit he used to do in the 70s where he's like,

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there's a bunch of plumbers at the show tonight, so I'm going to tell a joke just for them.

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The rest of you aren't going to get this.

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And then he tells this joke with all these weird phrases, like 10-inch gangly wrench and stuff.

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And then he's like, are those guys supposed to be here tonight?

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Am I got this wrong?

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I believe the punchline was, it says sprocket, not socket. It's a good joke. Okay, then. Sprocket. Yeah, thank you, sprockets. This is what we do the time we dance on sprockets. Exactly, Mark. Let's drag this train back on the tracks. All right, one last news item, and this one is personal to me. Heavies has started to ship headphones. Now, if you're not familiar, Heavies is a company,

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that said, hey, we can make headphones that are tuned better for heavy metal music. So fund us on Kickstarter, and someday in the distant future, we will send you a pair of headphones. I did my Kickstarter a year and a half ago, and I have still not heard anything about getting anything. Well, they're shipping. But they are shipping. They have not notified me that it has shipped yet.

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And I'm not trying to diss them. I'm still hopeful that this is going to be something awesome and life-changing. Well, they're from... I have Sennheiser headphones is what I've been getting for years and years. Yeah, they're good. People that do the heavies came from there. So, yeah, they're going to be good headphones. We just have to wait a little longer, apparently. I'll wait for you guys first. Yeah. And I'll buy them if you guys like them. Because I like what I have. I have focals and I like them. Yeah. I mean, it's...

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not that expensive so like my main headphones are like three times as much money as what these cost so i'm like you know is it actually worth it i don't know i backed it a year and a half ago just on a you know shits and giggles um and uh we'll see if the drums sound like a trash can then i'm not getting them oh no no no no no those are the lars headphones i was thinking that too yeah yeah it's like wow did you see the picture of the guy who was recreating the thing and he's

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He was his kick drum was a beer keg. Yeah, if you guys ever see that, there's a guy who's playing Metallica songs that are not from St. Anger, but using a beer keg as his snare. And he's using a metal baseball bat. It's absolutely hilarious. And it's scary how much it sounds like St. Anger. So he's Clown from Slipknot playing St. Anger songs? Might be. Nice. He might be.

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Yeah, I can't wait to get them. We'll let you know when we get them. Yeah, because I could always use another pair of heads. Yeah, I don't have enough lying around here that I don't use. I'm serious. I need a second pair. I couldn't resist because like I said, I really like Sennheiser and they came from there, but also they're making headphones for metal heads. I mean, I got to try that and they weren't that expensive. No, and to be honest, I have like the gold standard ones.

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that are ridiculous. But probably my favorite all-time pair was the Motorhead ones that came out back when there was a Motorhead. And I don't think they make them anymore, but the Motorhead headphones were really good. Yeah. Iron Maiden made headphones, too. And I thought about getting those for a time, but never did. Just to be perfectly transparent, I don't think Iron Maiden actually made any headphones. No, I'm pretty sure Bruce did. That would be funny if they were put together by the band, though. Bruce and Steve were there making them a signing.

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themselves. No, they just signed off on them. It was actually Nico. Actually, Lars. He got in there involved in that. And Gene Simmons. Guys, that's a great idea, Marcus. Lars should join Iron Maiden. You're right. Well, you know, Nico can only go so much longer. I mean, they've talked about that. He's a new producer. Yeah. Hey, Steve, why don't we cut down that song by like eight minutes or so?

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I love Maiden. I love the last album too, but yeah, I mean, there's people that take that album and then they cut it down and then I listen to it and I'm like, that makes sense. Yeah, I listened to one that was like cut a little bit and then sped up like 20%. I was like, yeah, this is good. All right, let's move on to new releases.

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First up is Eridus and the first album Serpent Moon. This is from our friend Galen. He's his first album from his he moved back to Santa Fe. It's a black metal album. You know he plays bass with Wolves in the Throne Room. We know him of course from Inferro Brewer which nobody mentions in the articles. And what was the other band Street Tombs?

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But Erdos just came out and I love it. This is black metal. It's all him. Yeah, it's all him. And this is straight up black metal like you want it. It's not symphonic and it's not overly atmospheric and it's not overproduced. It's not underproduced.

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It's right in the sweet spot of a black metal album that you'd want to hear. And I like it a lot. I do. Not just because I know the guy, but I really do like it. Well, it's good, too. And I mean, it conjures those visions of the windswept desert at midnight, you know, because it has those like field recordings of stuff from the desert where he is. He's very influenced by the terrain, by the environment. And I like that part of it.

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Even Aridus, the name. I'm sure it means dry. Yeah, it was just on a couple episodes ago. Yeah, it's a really great record. So people should definitely check it out. Yeah, get it on Bandcamp. Next up, we have the new Cattle Decapitation album, Terrasite, their 10th album. And I'm embarrassed to say the first time I listened to this one, I didn't like it. What?

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I've been a

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for a while. And I've, you know, I've always pretty much been a fan. Uh, but the first time I listened to it, I don't know. It's like, we got the promo and I think maybe it wasn't a high quality. And, uh, I was probably in a bitchy mood cause sometimes I get bitchy and, uh, no, I know. Sorry. Don't want to intrude on your territory, Matt. Um, but, uh, I was just like, eh, this fuck this album. And then, uh, I listened to it again.

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today and I was like I'm an asshole of course I know I mean I knew going in I'm an asshole I was like this is a really good album and uh yeah I like it now so I'm good no I think it's great I get I'm gonna see cattle decapitation and black bread the day I get back from Hawaii I get back in the morning and the shows at night but fuck it I gotta see cattle decapitation what date is that Markisan I don't remember 31st maybe I don't remember no that's me you gotta be the 30th then

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Oh, and I said hi. No, that's my date. It's our date. Your date. 30th, yeah. All I know is I have to get my kids swim passes and my daughter has softball practice, and I will lose my shit if I don't get there for BlackBrain. Yeah, yeah. I'm going to put her in a lift. I'm excited. And Stacy's going, so we're going to have a time. Oh, man. But I love, oh, go ahead, John. Oh, no, I'm sorry. I was going to say, Matt, just get some headphones and take her to the show with you. I love the

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the cattle decapitation album. I'm with Sammy, like Death Atlas, I really love that. It's actually my favorite cattle decapitation album, which is, you know, saying a lot. So they put out a lot of quality material. But I disagree with him a little bit because I feel like it is different. It's just, it's, it's more ferocious. It's got the catchy choruses. It's got the themes about the end of the world, but it just feels more streamlined, more direct than Death Atlas to me. It just, it really goes for the throat more.

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And, but I like that. I like that they changed it up a little bit from Death Atlas. It does build off some of those themes from it, but it's a different album. Not as much Metal Church vocals. Yeah, exactly. The Goblin. I love those vocals. I call them the David Wayne vocals because they sound just like... Yeah, see, I just can't get into this band because of the vocals. All I could hear was Brian Johnson doing Death vocals the whole time. I love all of the vocals.

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the best part.

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I'm pulling a whale here.

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I'm pulling a whale card.

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He'll do the goofiest things and make it sound super badass.

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I don't know how he does it.

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Like it may be.

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I love those vocals.

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I love them.

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I fully agree though.

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I prefer older.

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Like I prefer older Cal and decapitation albums,

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but I just love these so much because.

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Okay.

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I want to make sure I'm hearing all this correctly from all you guys.

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Now,

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and the next time you guys bitch about some dude singing with clean

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You like Brian Johnson death vocals more than a clean singer. I just think they're like Afrin, like Afrin deathcore. They're not clean. Afrin death. No, I'm just saying. I like here is like, oh, clean vocals. Fuck this shit. That's Will. I like the transformer vocals. That's the metal church vocals. Love them. I don't know what it is about it. It just seems very modern and interesting to me. And then you mix it with a death vocal. Go back.

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and listen to Metal Church's second album, The Dark. I love that album. David Wayne is the singer on that album. These are David Wayne vocals. He's dead. David Wayne is dead. So he is. I hear Brian Johnson. You hear David Wayne. He is. He is. David Johnson. Brian. Whatever. Wayne. I mean, I don't know. Travis Ryan could sing with a Vox box. I don't even care what he does. I love it. Whoa. We're pulling out some Peter Frampton here? He could do like a Merman thing and I would love it. Jay, you just came back. What did you think about?

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I like it but I still think Anthropocene

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Extinction was probably their high point for me. I think both of the last two have been a slight

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drop from that but they're still really good records. I like it a lot. It'll be on my list but

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it just doesn't reach the height of that one to me.

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I kind of have the same opinion as Jay. Death Atlas

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It was good. It didn't stick with me though. I'm going to butcher all the album titles because they're, you know, I don't remember exactly what they are. I think of the latest four Cattle Decap records as like the new era of them, right? So start with the Monolith of Inhumanity, which is the album. When Sam was talking about the Apes and I was talking about the album cover, I was thinking about that. Oh yeah, perfect. That's what I was mocking. But then the next one is a

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Amprothor scene. What is that? Anthropocene. Yes, that's my favorite one. It has, it kind of has all the choruses and all the catchy stuff, but also just totally brutal. Death Atlas, they're kind of feeling like more of the same to me at this point a little bit. I like all that techie stuff. There was, Anthropocene is super techie too. Yeah, maybe that's my prog nerd that likes that, I guess. Yeah, Death Atlas was for dumb people, which is why,

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How does everybody feel about the Harvest Floor? That's great. I think it's great. Honestly, I'm a Karma Bloody Karma guy, but I feel like the Harvest Floor is transitioning into that new era which you're talking about, Tanner, which I fully agree with. I love all the new stuff, but I think losing the vocals that I kind of refer to as nasally does something more for me in that earlier stuff. Humaneur fits into that too, by the way.

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And that's the greatest album title ever. Greatest cover as well. Yeah. I like the newer stuff better than the older stuff, even though I do like the older stuff. I miss the techie stuff, and I think, I don't know. I don't know. I think Death Atlas was better than this one, and I think the new one's good, but I just don't think they're knocking it out of the park right now. This one is just, it's more fierce. Death Atlas had more room to breathe, which I liked about that one. Yeah, this was pretty fucking heavy.

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Yeah.

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I say again, though, I'm sure it'll be on my list. I mean, these we're talking about degrees.

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I mean, they're a great band regardless, you know, and they change their sound and they're it's still pretty awesome.

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I think if you gave me any one of the four albums and I hadn't heard of them before, it'd blow me away.

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Like, you know, yeah, totally.

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That's that's.

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Yeah.

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And nobody sounds like, you know, it's a metal church.

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That's kind of the downside of being a band as good and unique as them is that you can still create a really good album, but since it's not a masterpiece, it's like, hey, that kind of sucked. Yeah. No, there are these bands out there and there's not that many of them right now that so consistently put on good records. Nevermore was like that for a while. Goat Horror, I think, is like that now. And I could probably come up with five, but Kettle Decaptation is one of them. They're not going to put out a bad record at this point.

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But the cool thing about Cattle Decapitation is we're on this cast. We're talking about them. We've all each named a different album that is our favorite. And that's pretty cool. Except for John, of course. So I think that's pretty impressive. Maybe John's album will be the next one. Who knows? I mean, Will also hates those Transformer vocals. You know my deals with them? I cannot stand

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The constant. I'm a former drummer. I haven't played in years. I can't stand the constant

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bass work from them. At some point, it has to stop for two seconds.

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No. It needs to keep going all the time.

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No. No.

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Never stop the kick. Just always double kick all the time.

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See, to me, that's not drumming. It's just you mastered using your feet really fast.

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It's running in place.

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It's not drumming. It's drumming 2.0.

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Right. Yeah. I mean, all the drummers that I like don't do that. I mean, they still use double bass. John Bonham was like Blast Beats 24-7. I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah. So, I mean, I just, at some point, I just, I can't do it. It's too much. It's just noise to me at that point. So. Well, that's a different drama. Just let the noise wash over you, John. Like a warm blanket of rotten flesh. Yes.

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A meat blanket. Of humanure. Same thought. What is it? Human jerky or something like that? Is that the other one? Yeah, that's the first one. Yeah, I know. I'm the bad podcast. Oh my god, I bet we taste so good. You're the human jerky of this group, frankly. It's a flesh shnuddy. The human jerk off of the group? I mean, we all like what we like, but I just, I can't do that constant.

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My drummer, just that, personally. One important factoid here is, and I don't really know the names of the guys in that band, even though I have most of the vinyl and stuff, is the primary songwriter left after Anthropocene Extinction. So they actually have the guy who was kind of responsible for their song from that time backwards is gone. That's actually kind of interesting, Jay, because that's the album that you keep pointing to all the time. Yeah, and they still fundamentally sound like themselves, but I think he was,

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I see a techie guy. I think he took all that out with them. Oh, they're definitely techie. I hear that. I get all that. So, all right. I don't want to shit on the parade anymore. Sorry. All right. Let's move on to the next album, which is the new frozen soul album, glacial domination. It's their second album. They're a Fort worth, Texas death metal band. Some of us just saw them at decibel last month. And, uh, yeah, unfortunately, unfortunately, what are you talking about? Unfortunately, it was awesome. I see.

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I mean,

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I,

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I,

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that's why I like it.

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It's so bolt thrower,

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but it's like bolt thrower 2.0.

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It's,

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it's more than the first time was way more bolt thrower.

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I think,

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I think it's a little,

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I mean,

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bolt thrower is very militaristic.

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Like,

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you know,

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it's a tank rolling over you.

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This is,

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has a little more,

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a little bit,

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a little more just space than a bolt thrower album,

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but it definitely sounds like bolt thrower,

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but I don't have a problem with that.

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Yeah,

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I know.

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I know.

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I love bolt thrower too.

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Yeah, I mean, it's solid caveman death, but after seeing it, that's the reason I don't, I don't, I'm not into this band because, you know, we talked about bands, we see them live and maybe we didn't really listen to their albums and then we listen to them live and then we're like, okay, we're into it. This band's the opposite for me. So I liked their previous releases, but on stage it felt like every five minutes the vocalist was like trying to rally the crowd, let's fuck this shit up.

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He was. I agree with you there Marcus. Sometimes in the middle of the songs he'd do it. It was all fucking rah-rah fucking fuck and it was like a huge turnoff for me. It was like watching a brocore band and I hated it. I'm with you on that Marcus. I thought the band though sounded great. I thought they performed well. But I did get a little tired of let's get this shit running. Yeah, no I get that but this actually turned me around on them seeing them at decibel. They sound awesome live. They get good songs

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The Riffs Are Mighty. But yeah, that was a huge turnoff. And it's taken me some time. I keep seeing that in my head when I listen to the album. And it's fucking with me because I don't like that. You know, Marcus, you bring up an interesting point because when Gorgots played, they didn't do any of that. And that hit was fucking huge when they played. But it's Gorgots. I understand. And Luke dressed for it. Yeah, Luke and his fucking work

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We made him even more of a badass. I like that guy even more now. I don't think Frozen Soul needs to do it. You don't need to egg on that. You have the riffs. The music speaks for itself. I think he just needs to learn. I mean, it's their second album. Maybe he just needs to learn how to be a frontman 101 without being a douche. Let's give him some credit, too. They were probably pretty excited to be on stage on a fest that was full and everyone was having a good time.

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I mean, most bands say that shit, you know? It's just that... It's not in the middle of songs, though. It's, like, really bad. There is something, too, seeing, like, a hit form. When it's, like, directed, it just doesn't feel the same as when the audience is just like, let's fuck each other up. But hey, if this was a power metal show, the singer would be up there going, Sammy, come on. They'd be up there going, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

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You know what? I'll chime in, and I wasn't even there, but I totally hear where Markson's coming from. There's certain people who end up somehow in metal bands who mistake their job for professional wrestling, and it just brings the whole thing down a notch. I love professional wrestling. I can't stand that kind of like, let's do this. It just turned me off so much. It misunderstands what the metal crowd is really about.

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or it taps into parts of it that I really don't much care for. That's a really good point. It does seem like someone from outside the metal community trying to guess. I get what you're saying. Jay, that's a good point. I think you and I were standing together during Carcass the first time. Jeff would just stand up and put his foot up on the monitor and just look at the crowd and just stare at him. Then the pit would just go fucking crazy. He didn't say one word.

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stared at us.

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Yeah.

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And it can come down to personal preference.

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It just,

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it,

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it bothered me.

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And so it's translated into the album.

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I keep seeing that and I don't like it.

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I'll go back.

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I just liked that with a good album.

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I just liked that with undeath actually.

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I felt like undeath was a little too.

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You know,

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the,

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the,

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the,

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the bands that are playing death metal that are basically playing death metal that

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happened like 20,

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30 years ago.

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I would actually put Frozen Soul in the category with Undeath in the sense of like, I just feel like there's been so much buzz about these two bands. I almost feel bad for them in terms of their expectation. We watched Undeath in Vegas. We wanted to see Frozen Soul, but we didn't have a chance to do it. So it would have been fun to kind of see both bands before all this buzz happened, but it has been interesting to watch it unfold. And like you, I mean, I think they sounded good. I wasn't paying super close.

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attention to them at Decibel. I think just because there had been so much buzz about them that for whatever reason I just wanted to disengage. But yeah, I mean, it's a good point to say. I'm with you on the organic versus unorganic circle pits. Another reason why Chuck was still a badass. Didn't have to do that shit. I think also there's something rooted about that kind of showmanship in like Phil Enselmo, which I can't stand. Oh, yeah. There's this whole weird thing.

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and metal that started in the 90s and stuff with Pantera, who I'm happy to go on record as if, don't like at all. And partially because of him. I don't like Phil Anselmo. I don't like his presentation. I don't like anything about him. So some of that, it's this kind of like guy who drives a truck and is like, yeah, fucking Steelers rule, bro. Hey man, watch out. That's what Pantheon's about, dude. Come on, man. Trucks and circle pits.

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The concept album about trucks. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, clearly it works because people were really into that. But for me, it just, I don't know. I won't lie. I love Pantera. I hate Pantera. Sammy hates Pantera. I'm not a fan either. I'm in the middle. I actually remember being in high school and like, I didn't know who Pantera was because we were still like learning about metal bands. He was like, dude, you have to listen to these guys. They rip. And I listened to it and I was like, this sucks. Wow. I hate this. Sammy, you're an anomaly.

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then, because so many people who grew up in that period, you know, that's when they started getting exposed, were like huge fans. I'm a big fan of being a contrarian just for the sake of being a contrarian. So I lucked out and hated Pantera because of that. Well, Tanner, I got to tell you the story that I've told a million times on this podcast then. When I was in high school back when there were dinosaurs and Metallica was still cool. Wow, that was a long time ago. It was. It was the 80s. Oh, please.

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And I worked at a Kroger grocery store. And this was my first job. I was like 15 years old. And one of the other guys that worked there, you know, knew that I was into this stuff. And he was like, dude, you have to come to this show with me tonight. And I was like, what? Yeah, I've told it a lot. And he's like, my friends from Texas are in town and they're playing a show.

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And I was like, oh yeah, who? And he was like, Pantera. And I'm like, that's a stupid fucking name. I'm not going to go to that. And this was like, you know, a hair metal Pantera. This was like pre-Cowboys. Well, yeah, Cowboys was what, 90? Yeah, that was like when I graduated high school. So this was like 88, maybe 87, somewhere around there. So it was still like hair metal Pantera. Nobody knew who they were.

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And this guy was like, these are my friends. You should come meet this band. And I was like, that sounds stupid. I'm not going. And then like three years later, I'm like, no, come with me. So that is one of those like one that got away stories. So you know, the asshole was for shows for me when I was in high school, long before you were in high school. This is what I got. Show me your hands. We love you. That's what I got.

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And it shows that was Ozzy. That's all he said. Show me your hands. So that's how he ginned up the crowd. Way back in the early 80s, not the late 80s. I've never heard of him. Yeah. Anyway, I think it's time to move on to the next album. Yeah, please. This is a band called Nightmare and their second album of tech death called Deformity Adrift. Now, I know this band because

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Because Justin, our friend Justin mentioned it. And I listened to it and I was like, this is interesting. It's like death metal, but it's like super bassy. Pretty dissonant to the sound, I thought. Yeah. It's pretty angular. And yeah. And so, I don't know. I just, it stuck out to me. I liked it. I put it in here. Yeah, it's pretty good. Sorry if you hate it. I like it. No, it's all right. I think the album cover is cool. I've listened to it one and a half times maybe.

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And I do like the I like the Diso Death sound, but I can't tell a lot of the bands apart at this point. Well, that was sort of what stuck out to me was that it was a little bassier. Yeah, a little more organic. Yeah. You're on to something, Tanner. It's getting hard because Matt and I like a band up from your way, Sunless. Yeah, I was just going to say Sunless is really cool.

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I love them, but right after a while you start to wonder, who am I listening to here? It's no disrespect to them, it's just that sound kind of... It's like intentionally hard for your brain to grab onto. It is. You really have to put a lot of effort into listening to that music to absorb it and kind of differentiate what you're listening to. All right. Well, I think that's enough of that. Sorry. I thought it was already a while. I'm sorry. So this next one... I'm a dick.

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Now, you know, in terms of eras and such, I don't know if we're moving forward or backward, but we're going to move on from the Anthropocene to the Holocene with the new Ocean album, Holocene. It's their 11th album, German. Just so you know, you're moving backwards. Moving backwards, all right. Yeah, I don't know my scenes. How many billions of years have they traveled now, this band? Through all of them.

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All of them, exactly. I'll just say if I wanted to learn geology, I would have taken a class. Sorry about that. I think this is a fun way to learn. I do too. I don't know. I'm curious to hear everyone's opinions on the ocean because they've never quite clicked with me. It seems like a band that should have clicked with me. They're one of those bands that when I remember they exist, because I only listen to this album because I saw

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that we were going to talk about. I was like, oh yeah, these guys are great. But then I'll go like two years without ever listening to them again. They don't have that pullback factor, but when I am listening to them, I love them. Yeah, this one's definitely more post-metal than a few albums back. Yeah, they actually pulled the proggy part back a little bit on this one. But I do like it. Yeah, it's good. I do like it. I mean, it's not as heavy. It's not as extreme.

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or any of those things, but it is cool. I mean, the ocean for me was kind of one of my gateways into post-metal, which I really loved. But, you know, to your point, Sammy, I don't venture back to them usually until an album comes out. Otherwise, I'm usually delving into other post-metal or, you know, what else I'm listening to. But I do like everything they throw out. But I would agree this one does feel a little bit less froggy, a little more posty.

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I've been a fan since pre-Cambria, I guess, when I came out. So I love The Ocean. But this one is definitely a little different. It's a little mellow. The first three songs are more kind of electronic and synth-y with the sound. And then they kind of blow up into the post-metal stuff there in the middle of the album. And then it kind of doesn't meander ever, but this one takes a lot more to listen to than the previous three. I'll say it was like great work music for me. It just kind of washed over me.

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Yeah. Oh, I think all their stuff. Yeah. You didn't have to pay attention to it, right? So, I mean, there's that too. That's actually, that's a good song because as much as I love them, I'll put them on sometimes and I'll kind of lose where I am in the song, but I hear it. It's there and then like, oh, that was fucking badass. Then I'll go back to working and then, so I think that's kind of maybe part of the plan of their sound to kind of do that. But I know this.

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They're fucking awesome live. I've seen them twice. Maybe they're subliminal messaging us. Yeah, I gotta play backwards. Suddenly I want to drink Coke. Yeah, subliminal message from the ocean. I just bought Tix's Disney World. I don't know why. Eat it, crabby dicks. Why do I like shrimp so much? Scallops. Abalone? I'm eating all the fish when I'm in Hawaii. No, no seafood. Seafood bad. Anyway. That was good. If you liked it,

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I like the ocean a lot you'll probably like it but it's a lot more work I think it takes a little a few more listens to to kind of absorb oh the we're talking about the ocean oh yeah the place you're going yes in the middle of I miss looking at the ocean every single day you know so that's going to be a treat but I like Holocene yeah it's cool yeah it's different it's got that you know sludgy progressive post-metal sound that they do but just

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It doesn't quite flow like an ocean on a normal day. You know, it's a little choppier to me. It's a little stormy. Stormy. Yeah, exactly. And I was actually worried. I was listening to that thing and I was actually worried like the first few tracks, there's not going to be any heaviness on it. And then you get your ass blown up in the middle of the album. Like Atlantic comes on, John, like that last three minutes that fucking blows up. Boom. And I was like, oh, so then it stays heavy throughout.

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the rest of it. So what you're saying, Marcus, is there's some white caps in this album? I would say. Yeah. All right. Yeah. It's, but you're right, John. But that's with all the ocean albums, right? You got to spin it a few times before you really know where you stand on it. And most of the time, it's like, I love you. Yeah. They're like Colta Luna. If you like this stuff, you got to put a lot of effort in to listen to bands like that because they build their songs up. They take forever to get going. And then you get hit with a sledgehammer at some point.

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And then they're like, oh, then it's background music. And then Sledgehammer again. So.

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Vault of Luna. Yeah. I loved Mariner with Julie.

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Oh, so good. So good.

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It's so crazy good. I think she was like the missing piece. Like I like their stuff. It's the same. It's kind of the same story where I like their stuff. It's just kind of it's just kind of this dense wall of it just kind of washes over me.

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I don't necessarily remember.

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I couldn't pick out any specific parts of it necessarily.

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If I go back and listen to it, you know, I'll recognize it.

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But the Julie Christmas one, it was like, all right, now there's hooks.

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Now there's something for me to grab onto.

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Plus that post sound, posty sound that I really love.

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Yeah.

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You know what they did on that album?

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They actually kept it short too.

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Was that like only a 50 something minute album?

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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I will say this.

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Five songs.

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Yeah.

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Both bands live.

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Holy shit. They're so good. None enough. Yeah. But I feel the exact same way you do Tanner. Like I just, I want to love called the moon and I just, I don't really like most of their up, like they're fine, but they, they're never good enough to make my top 25 except for that one. And it was like, I feel like there was an element missing in it and it filled that hole for me perfectly. Yeah. And not that they're not a good band. I just, I don't know.

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I just can't I can't get into their regular record it's just it's it's sort of a a one I don't want to say one trick pony but it's it's sort of monotonous in a way and she really she took it to a new level well it's different for them right which is also the name of a Pantera song so but it's a new level oh yeah everything goes back to Pantera so I want Cult of Luna to be more innovative I agree with that I feel like see I think

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I think they need more double kick in blast beats.

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I need some Lars.

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My head jump.

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Yes.

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They need some sacks.

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Let me give him a call.

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Let him know.

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Yeah, call him.

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Let's talk with Tanner.

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We was like, you know, I don't like the kicks all the time, but maybe add a few.

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You guys have that kind of pull, right?

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Yeah.

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Of course.

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Oh, yeah.

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Of course.

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I was going to talk to me. So awesome. All right. So our last new release is the new album from Thul Chandra. Hail the Abyss. It's their fifth album. They're a German black death band. I got into this band because initially back in the day, because it was like, it was dissection without the guilt. Yes. I was going to say that I was going to make that comparison.

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So I really liked this album. Yeah. It did derive dissection a lot. The earlier stuff is even more dissection. Oh, really? I'll have to dig in. Yeah. To me, I feel like this album is actually starting to get a little bit away from it. I mean, I don't know. Maybe I'm just used to it by album five, but the early stuff is way like it. And it was like, it was so cool. And I've liked pretty much everything they've done. Because like I said, you can listen to it and you don't have to feel guilty.

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He's dead, so you don't have to feel guilty. I said the exact same thing because there's bands that are canceled. Who listens to Burzum anymore? A lot of people, actually. Yeah, but they're dicks. Present company accepted. Or they just don't know. Yes.

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That's just the classic separate the artists from the art discussion. It's like, well, it's like sometimes it, sometimes it's okay. And sometimes it's not because, um, you know, uh, Varg is a fucking crazy person. And so I will not listen to anything that he does. Yeah, I agree. Um, but John from dissection made some bad choices, was maybe not quite right in the headshot himself, you know, um,

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He's kind of a crazy person. He's kind of crazy. And how many artists that were crazy that cut off their ears and did whatever do we still, you know? I wrestle with it because I love Storm of the Lights band so much. I do too. The Somber Lane is amazing. The Somber Lane, yeah. Even what's the line? Reinkaus? Yeah, Reinkaus. I'm trying to read it like some, you know. Yeah, no, I mean even that was amazing.

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And that was like Post did my time in prison. And so, you know, don't mess with me. I'm out of prison. I did my time. But I'm going to shoot myself now. So it's tough with some of these bands. And so when you have a band like the Wakandra that sounds like that and you don't have to worry about that, it's good. Yeah. I'll have to go back and listen. I was, I'm happy.

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I'm happy to hear that there's maybe a replacement for this section. Definitely. It definitely sounds like it has that vibe. Yeah. Yeah. I really like the new record. No doubt. Yeah. I like it too. Maybe I don't think I like the last one as much, but like the first three, very good. Um, and, but this one's definitely back on course. This one's strong throughout the whole thing though. Yeah. This one has a lot of melody and a lot of like, you know, trad metal guitar.

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Dueling guitar type stuff. Yeah, it just hit the right spots for me. It has a nice balance of all those elements that go into a really great melodic black death, you know. All right. The list, you never know. Yeah, it might. Okay, so now it's time for what we are listening to.

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And since Sammy has left the building, Tanner, it's up to you to start us off. Sure. Yeah. I have been listening to this album.

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by a band called Conspiracy of Zero. Nice. It's like this. They've got, let's see, on Spotify, they've got 160 monthly listeners. Like super small band. I can't remember exactly how I found this album, but it's called Anthos Auroras. I think they're from like Greece or something. Conspiracy of Zero. It's, I don't know.

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It's hitting the right buttons for me. I'm kind of picky, honestly. What kind of music is it? It's sort of proggy. I don't know. It's hard to describe. It's very melodic. It's a little bit proggy. A mix of, you know, death and clean vocals. Kind of a... The harsh vocals are a little monotonous death metal vocal, maybe.

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got some good clean stuff in the guitar and drum work is like really super solid I don't know just a surprising pick look them up and listen to it and I'd be curious to hear what other people yeah so I listened to it and you know listen to it and then kind of moved on and realized like I had these songs stuck in my head and I went yeah it was it was conspiracy of zero I was like oh shit this is really good I feel like I've heard the name so I need to check it out they do get stuck in your head you know I'm it's sort

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those things where they get stuck in your head. You can't think of what it is. Yep, exactly. And then you're like, what was that? And then you throw it back on. You're like, oh, okay, yeah, that's what that was. And I've listened to it enough now where I'm starting to kind of, I'm really bad at track names and stuff, but I'm starting to pick out track names now, finally. So yeah, that's what I've been listening to a lot lately. Anything else that you've been listening to? That's it, just that album this whole year.

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Oh, I don't know. I've most of my listening happens at work. And so it all kind of just washes away. Well, here's a question for you, Tanner. Obviously, you're a big metalhead. Maybe you don't dress like it. Clearly, none of us do. But you're you're a structural engineer. Do you tell people in the office what you do or what you like and how do they react to it?

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Everybody at this point knows. And I've got some advocates. Tracy and I work with Tim Greger a lot in the Chicago office. And he likes to embarrass me by calling it out. We were at this in January. I was at this. Our company does these workshops where they get, you know, up to 50 people from different offices all around the country together and bring them to the headquarters.

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near Markisan in Northbrook, Illinois. And Tracy was at this workshop and Tim was there. We did this. There's like 60 people in the room did introductions. We go through it. I think that like, it was like, what's your name? What unit are you in? And what, uh, what's, what's like the first album you bought, I think was nice. And so my first album was like in sync, no strings attached.

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So that was my answer. I didn't mention anything about being in a band, but then Tim, you know, stands up. He's like the last one to go. He's like, my album was this. And Tanner's in a band. He's got a new album dropping this Friday. Everyone's like clapping. It sounds exactly like NSYNC, by the way. So if you like that. Well, yeah, I try. I like to get like five male voices.

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at one time together.

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You do do that a lot.

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You have like pop style harmonies on things that do not need it at all.

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But it turns out cool.

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It does turn out cool.

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Yeah.

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I remember when you're doing stuff on becoming none.

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I heard each individual.

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I was like,

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this is going to suck.

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He was like,

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just trust me.

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It was like,

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I don't,

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but then it did sound cool.

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That was another compliment guys.

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It was,

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it wasn't a compliment.

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It was,

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uh,

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it was,

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uh,

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I don't do that. Concession. I'm glad we could have this therapy session between you two. Yeah. Yeah. We don't even, we don't even make you pay. Yeah. That's a good deal. I mean, I will send an invoice after that. But it can be paid in ear or music or. Can I use my HSA? Yeah. Yeah, definitely. We accept all forms of payment. I'll send you guys like 200 vinyls or something. That's, that's,

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Way too much. All the same one. Oh, that's a lot. Same one. Okay. You should send us the, send them a couple of boxes of our from a whisper vinyls just to get them. They're, they're like weighing down your apartment or your. I ordered too many. I mean, we do accept doubloons, uh, the ale storm form of payment. Yeah, I've got some doubloons. Nice. Is it Sammy's turn to, uh, it is. Are you done Tanner?

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I'll dig through my Spotify and see what I've listened to. That's what came to mind. That's what I was prepared for, guys. That's cool. We're just making sure. Sammy, what are you listening to? I thought I would have too long of a list. No, we don't have that here. I guess the first thing I've been listening to non-stop lately has been just everything from Black Hill, which I didn't do

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I don't have any story about what they are but it's all like post rock but it has no drums so every song sounds like a three minute build up to a heavy metal track but it never completes that build up something about it is just really great if I'm like up at five in the morning and you've got that like coffee anxiety haven't eaten breakfast yet it just fits that mood perfectly or you're at Taco Bell right well I don't have Taco Bell breakfast man

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I have some self-respect. It's so good. It's only a few hours difference, though, between 2 a.m. at Taco Bell and breakfast. Yeah, that's true. By up at 5 a.m., I mean waking up, not staying up until 5 a.m. Sure. So then another thing I've been listening to a lot is The Abyssal Plane by Dryad, which I found out because someone reviewed our album, and they had a bunch of reviews.

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and they gave this album like a two out of ten or something and the description was like if you like garbage noise black metal that you can't understand then this is the album for you and i was like yeah that sounds like my kind of album it doesn't even like i think the recording quality for it sounds good so i was like confused by sammy has terrible opinions though guys i have great opinions like all opinions are welcome

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Sammy's mixing critiques are like, it's like Sammy, no. Can we have less bass? Can we have less bass? Oh, like Injustice, gotcha. Jake came in and you guys were like, yeah, that's great, but we're going to just pull that down. Yeah, Jake, you're here for his formality. Other than that, I'll represent Power Metal again. At the Heart of Winterville by Twyla,

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I think that is a hall of fame top tier power metal album. There's something about it that's just incredible. It's it sounds like you know it just sounds like I'm actually in a fairy tale. It's great. That's magical. It is. Let me see here. How many more can I talk about? As many as you want. Markazan's going to talk about 30.

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Well, George used to have like these. I used to have 30. I actually have a longer list this time. They were alphabetized. I mean, that's good. I have like seven this time. Wearing Marvel's in Consensus Reality by Alluvium, which is not metal. Alluvium is just like the perfect background music for me because it's just kind of like noise but electronic. Sometimes it hits a groove, but most of the time there's just noise.

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That album's been great. And then there's one from a band that's from Minnesota that I have, I listened to at first just because we met them and we're friends with them and I was, you know, being nice. Like, yeah, I'll listen to your record, but I'm actually addicted to it still. It's Burnout by Atomic Lights. It's like, it's punk music, but it's got a bit of a, I don't know,

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I almost say like a black metal kind of recording quality to it. There's something I got to figure out how they recorded it because I love how it actually just sounds. But it's great. I gotta listen to that one. Yeah. It's funny because in this digital age, everything sounds really great unless you don't want it to. And then you have to make it sound like shit. There's a skeleton with a guitar smoking a cigarette on the cover. Yeah. So the song I like in particular a lot from that.

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That is No Vacancy, I think is the name of it. I'm trying to confirm that's actually the track. It is number two is No Vacancy. I'm looking at it. Well, this is pretty cool. So the wallpaper, their main banner has Silver Surfer on it. Nice. It's a Marvel character, what I love. And then all around it is an alien, like the classic green alien, smoking a cigarette, giving the finger. So yeah, I gotta try this one. Yeah, these guys are cool.

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We're actually going to one of our shows

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is going to be with them.

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Nice.

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You spoiled it.

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We didn't announce it officially yet.

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I mean, it's not with them.

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It's not.

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I mean, you have to announce it in the Middleheads podcast

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because we're one of the biggest podcasts around.

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Yeah.

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Trust me.

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Everyone's going to hear it.

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Oh, God.

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Other than that, I've been listening to the Dead Cells soundtrack

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from the video game Dead Cells.

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I'm always listening to that.

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Can I throw a couple more Minnesota? No, you had your turn and you only said one album. Take off, eh? This is the Sammy show now. Why do you like that soundtrack though, Sammy? What kind of music is it? It's like atmospheric, very clearly soundtrack music. It's a lot of war drums and then acoustic string instruments layered on top of each other.

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There's a lot of use of sound effects in really interesting, cool ways. Like, for example, the song for the clock tower level just uses, like, clocks winding up and ticking as the rhythm for the song. There's just a lot of really, like, impactful moments, I guess, in the soundtrack that just, the chords hit a swell that just feels right. Also, I love the game, so I don't know if it's just nostalgia and it's just stuck in my head.

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And I listened to it and my brain's like, yeah, we remember when we played that. Awesome. Can I point something out about Sammy's hotel room? Yes. The new enslaved album art right behind it. I'm doll. So it must be like a new remastered version or like bonus desk or something. It's just a mirrored zoom. Yeah, exactly.

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Zoom Edition. Nice. Holy shit. That's pretty much everything that comes to mind right away. Cool. Tanner, did you want to mention a couple before I go? I've got two more. I've got two more. So Nothingness put on an album. I think the same day as us, maybe? And they got more attention. Just kidding. But no, it rips. It's like super good. I've heard of it. Just good death metal. Really

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There's a couple parts that made me just have a really stupid grin on my face and like kind of kind of laugh in a good way that came up. I thought that grin was permanent. Oh, yeah, it is. But the grin and the Minnesota accent comes through it sometimes. So nothingness and then majesties. I think a lot of people heard about the guy in that band's also named Tanner. So I guess. Oh,

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Oh, Tanner Anderson. Yeah. Yeah, no, I know Tanner. I know that Tanner. Well, me and Matt love Majesties, I guess. We do. No, I like Obsequia. What's more? Is it Obsequia? I don't know. I mean, yeah, I didn't see him with that. It's Obsequious. Obsequia. I don't know. I mean, that's all that word. I thought it was Obsequia, but I don't. I thought it was Obsequia, but. Yeah, me too. I would have to put it into Google. Do you guys have his number? Can we dial him?

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I actually do have his number. The other Tanner. I messaged him on when the singles were coming out. I messaged him on Instagram like, hey, Tanner, it's other Tanner. He's a seriously nice dude. I think we should have a battle of the Tanners. When Markisan was like, yeah, no, Tanner's going to come on. I was like, wait, what? Because Tanner Anderson,

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is too humble.

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He's like the old Pantheon guy?

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I've tried to get Tanner on, and he's like, no, I'm too shy.

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I'm not going to come on.

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He does seem a little shy, yeah.

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Just from watching live footage of his bands.

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He does all the vocals on the albums, but then he sticks to guitar when he's playing live.

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I'm going to try not to be shy live.

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I'm working on my stage act.

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Sammy doesn't know anything about it yet but

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I've seen you

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not acting shy and I'm gonna say

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just go somewhere in the middle

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don't don't incite

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a mosh pit in the middle of a song place

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yeah if you're a hundred

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if you're at a hundred percent confidence you're gonna start

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river dancing on stage or something so

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like just keep a little bit of

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you know self self-awareness

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yeah all right

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yeah that's all I got

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all right are you sure you're not

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gonna chime in again

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I will. I'll interrupt one of you. That's fine. That's how we roll. Okay, so now it's my turn. It is. I'm all right. Wait, Tanner, you got anything else? No, just last turn. The big throw clear. I mean, I got like maybe 10. I don't know. So a new Outer Heaven track just dropped from the upcoming album. The album's called Infinite Psychic Depths and it's a filthy banger.

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And I've spun that several times. And the record comes out July 21st. We interviewed them at Decibel. It was like a couple years ago now. Nice guys. Black Braid has released two new tracks. I think Matt mentioned this earlier. Upcoming second album. And the tracks are phenomenal. I'm not sure how Skagasawa managed to level up. Because the first record dropped.

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less than a year ago. But I already like these songs a lot more than the first album. They're just more layered. They're more epic to me. The album is called Blackbreed 2 and it comes out July 7th. Parallax Occlusion, Vapor Chamber, Dememure Morty Records. Parallax Occlusion is a technical death doom metal band they formed over the pandemic. And they put out a few demos and they just kind

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kind of went away for a little bit.

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And then they recently announced that they were breaking up,

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but they dropped this proper full length record that includes everything they've done.

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Plus a few new songs.

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So it's nine tracks total 68 minutes.

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And I think it's,

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it's probably the best death album I've heard this year.

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Gate Creeper.

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This is one.

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I don't know if you've heard this one,

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I don't know what I'm saying, Sammy, but you probably should. From Western Shores, from Cruz del Sur. This album is, it's become my top traditional metal album this year, edging out Megaton Sword. I haven't heard of that, but I'm definitely going to listen to it. So it's just so fantasy epic, and it's varied with folky parts and just blistering solos. But what I really love is the vocalist on this.

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He has a great, powerful, mid-range voice, but there's these select times on the album where he'll go King Diamond and just let out this fucking short burst high scream. It's like a call. It's like he's fucking Beastmaster squawk summoning the Hawk for battle. That sounds awesome. And it's awesome. I do like when traditional metal and power metal has not just falsetto vocals all the time.

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One of my favorite power metal bands is Falconer and they're just always low range vocals and it's like there's not that many that actually do that and yeah I'd like to hear more of that I like power metal but I like it more mixed with traditional metal so this is right up my alley and I just I just think it's the best traditional metal but it has those elements of power metal in it and I just got it in vinyl so now I actually won't get to spin it because I'll be in Hawaii damn it

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What was the name of the band? Or was Gatekeeper the band name? Gatekeeper is the name of the band. The album's called From Western Shores. They've had an album or two before that, but they think they had a different vocalist. The new vocalist is a lot better. The production's a lot better on this one. It's great. I really like it a lot. I sent it to Jay. He's not here. So I'm kind of wondering what he thinks about it because he likes this kind of stuff.

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and really loves Megaton Sword. But for me, I told him, I think it edges out Megaton Sword and I really like them. Next record is Chain to the Bottom of the Ocean, Obsession Destruction on Red Scroll Records. Just a really great Sludge Tomb record. It's really good songwriting on it. It kind of feels like a merge of Vow and Neurosis to me. It was actually mastered by Cult of Luna's Magnus.

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We talked about Cult of Luna earlier, and I think that was a good choice because Cult of Luna, even though I just never seemed to, except for that one record we were talking about, I never seemed to get it. I never get it enough, but I feel like their records always sound amazing. So I think it was a really good choice for Chain to the Bottom of the Ocean. Next one is Blaze of Sorrow, Voltus Fati.

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on Eisenwald Records. This is a killer melodic guitar-focused black metal. It has a medieval bent to it, though, which works really well for the record. And every time I listen to it, I just like it a little bit more. I haven't heard a lot of people talk about that one, but it's great. Sanctuarium, Into the Mephitic Abyss from Gurgling Gore Records.

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I'm gurgling gore has been on my radar lately because they did that troll cave album that I got late last year and it actually made my list so this is a new death doom band from that label and the vocalist from troll cave is on vocal duties for this one and that's why I got my attention so it's real slow crushing darkness doused in a dungeon murky atmosphere so if you like that kind of stuff you'll really dig that

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Allocuria commotion on venerate industries. This is a post-metal sludge band with melodic progressive elements tossed in. They have a very dark and intense heavy groove sound with black metal vocals, but there's also passages of atmospheric beauty throughout the record. And I was a big fan of their previous record, Throws. It came out in 2017, so it's

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I think it was on my list that year. So it's been a while since they released

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something, but I think this return is even better than that.

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Commotion was actually my runner-up for my April album of the month, just behind Fires in the Distance.

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So it's gotten a lot of spins from me this year. I really like that one.

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Cipher, Arcane Paths to Resurrection on Transcending Obscurity Records.

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This is just a really brutal, fun, death black horde.

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It just comes straight at you.

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It has like a thrashy aggression to it, even though it's death black.

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It's only 36 minutes.

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Really raspy vocals on it.

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I like the energy a lot on it.

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It almost feels punk to me sometimes, that energy. And it's a fun record to throw on. I gave that one one listen, and I liked that album a lot. Yeah, Decipher's great. It's another one I think it's a little bit under the radar, too. So I love Transcending Obscurity. They always put out really interesting records, but they put out so many. But this one's grabbed me for sure. And then the last one on my list is Botanist, which I just found out, dropped.

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because it's on Prophecy Productions and I have a subscription to Prophecy Productions. I didn't know it was coming out. It's Botanist 8 Salino Trope and it's a gorgeous shimmering post-black progressive album. I don't know if anybody's heard Botanist before because this is the 8th album. So for people who don't know or listening to that, they use distorted hammered dulcimers.

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instead of guitars. And all the songs are in the project are part of this epic story. And they're all told from the perspective of this protagonist called the botanist, who's basically this crazed dude of science who lives in exile far away from humanity and the crimes against nature that humanity has perpetrated against the earth. And he has this sanctuary.

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of fantasy and wonder.

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And it's called the verdant realm.

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And he surrounds himself with trees and flowers and shrubs or whatever.

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And he envisions the destruction of mankind and envisions plants covering the earth once again.

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So this has been going on a while.

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And so I got this,

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I've listened to all the albums,

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but it's just been a minute.

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So it's like the male poison Ivy.

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Pretty much. That's a good reference, George. Well done. Thank you. From DC Comics. Yeah. Yeah. And I got the deluxe edition because every time I get something from Prophecy, it seems like they do a regular edition and a deluxe edition, which is cool. The deluxe edition features another, like a whole second album of just ambient compositions as well. And I've really been enjoying that. I've liked Botanist before, but there's something about this one. I don't know. That seems to strike me a little bit.

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more than normal. Don't know if I'm in the right mood for it or what, but I really dig it. Botanist has been, I spent some time with, let's see, I'm looking at the band cap now, Six Flora, a lot. And it had been, you know, it's another one that for me, it's like great work music because it's just kind of, it's sort of low key. It's low key and it's long, like usually long. Yeah. Yeah. It's a hard band.

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to just like sit down and listen to like intentionally. Yeah. And I thought about that. Like I thought about, should I listen to all eight albums in one sitting? I'm like, no, I can't do that. I'll die. I will die. You might become a plant. I don't think so because I eat too much meat. You don't know. You don't know. But I do really like this one. And I feel like you don't have to listen to any of the other albums to enjoy.

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a single one, even though it's this epic story. Yeah, I didn't know all about that. I know the band, but I didn't know that. Well, that's what the podcast is for, George. We like to inform people of things, even people on the cast. You've informed me of many things. That's why I'm on the cast, because I listened to you guys before. I was even on. Exactly. You good? You done? I'm done. All right, Maddie.

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So my always underwhelming follow up of Markisan you such a great job describing things. I don't do fine. Carbomb live in Santa Cruz. I love Carbomb. I don't love live albums, but I really dig this one. One thing I really love about Carbomb is they have the best rip off logos. And so they took the Santa Cruz logo and turned it into Carbomb. My favorite of theirs is when they took the Contra logo and turned it into Carbomb. It's beautiful. Nice. Spoiler.

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We Took the Kids to Guardians of the Galaxy. It was really good. It's out? Yeah, part three. I heard a song in there, and after two notes, I realized it was a Faith No More song, and it was We Care A Lot. I've been listening to that album quite a bit because I haven't spent a ton of time with pre-Mike Patton Faith No More. Really, really good. Friend of Mine's band, that was a cover they did on their album that people liked. Yeah. Anyway. It's a good song.

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It's a good album. Yeah. I have to mention Fire's Not Distance because... Okay. Nice. To me, I think it's a really good album. The keyboards to me are a little bit new agey, almost like EnyaCore, but they really work. I am completely hooked on it. Super good album. I love it. Ever since my Stoner Doom Awakening, and I'm not saying High on Fire is a Stoner Doom band necessarily, but it's just been so much more on my radar. Margarita Witch Cult has a self-title out

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It came out last month, I think. It's UK. Stoner, Doom Band, obviously. If you don't like them, we're not friends. And that means, like, I will erase our friendship. I will go back in time and do that. We've all seen Primer. It's possible. I have to mention Julie Christmas. As we previously talked about her, she has a new single out called Not Enough. I mean, I've always been a fan of hers from her solo stuff, Made Out of Babies. Obviously, Marinder is a masterpiece.

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Blood Ceremony. I've always loved Blood Ceremony. They have a new album out. Not so much metal, but kind of your like rock you core. Yeah. Sounds really good. Calvary Decapitation, Terrasite, gosh, gosh, gosh, gosh, gosh, gosh. I'm a super big fan. And when I don't have anything good to say, I just say gosh. I really dig the band Haunt. Like that dude is super prolific. I want to say he's also Beastmaster. Yeah. Which I haven't listened to, but for my trad metal fix this month, it's been Haunt. Golden Arm is the name of the album. I think there's an EP.

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that also was released on the same day and has, I think it's two cover songs. One is an 80s song, and I can't think of what it is. Check it out. BlackBraid, gush, gush, gush, gush, gush. As I said, I'm a complete fanboy. Super excited to see he slash them live like in 10 days or something like that. Yes. What is it, the 20th? 11 days. As Mark Stone mentioned, Outer Heaven has a new track out, Infinite, Psychic Dips,

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It completely rips and the ocean holocene. To be perfectly honest, I haven't made it all the way through it because it's like I turn it on when I was like, my kid and I had my wife's out of town. So it's like, as is my daughter. And so it's me and the boy. And we're just like, we're just like, we're scraping to get by as men. I see that. He's been in the background a couple of times. Exactly. I'm like, you do your thing in that room. I'll be in here. Like, let's just not burn the fucking house down. Okay. And so we did like 30 errands to like impress the women of our lives.

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And so I had that on every time and it's like I would get like six songs in and then it's like my phone. I'd have to take my phone and do something and reset. So what I've heard, I really dig. But I'm super excited to just digest the whole thing. So that's me. All right, John. All right. My list will be anti-climatic because I don't have as many albums to you guys. My first one is Death of Giants, Ventersorg. It is a debut album of Doom, a.k.a. Grief Metal.

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from Norway that features doom, funeral doom, and death metal. I guess the guy who put this together, an album and a butcher's name, Morten Sorbis-Kilmergen, his wife passed away, I guess, for brain cancer in 2018. She's only 31, so he wrote this album as kind of a cathartic part of his life. I don't know how to even describe it, but it's just killer.

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Yeah, from Spall of the Sun, the guitarist. So similar thing, it's for the most part has that kind of Swedish doom metal kind of sound to it. His vocals sound very much like that, like Sorcerer or Candlemas a little. Nice. What's the guy who was in Candlemas and also Eternus, Solitude? Oh. What's his book? Matt.

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What the fuck is his name? The guy with the name that somebody else. Robert Lowe. Yeah, Robert Lowe. Yes, yes. Has similar type vocals, but he does have some harsh vocals too. It's a killer album. The crushing riffs, atmospheric passages, and he even covers, which is kind of appropriate. Usually I'm not a big fan of covers, but he does a cover of Maidens, Only the Good Die Young, which considering the subject matter kind of fits the album. Yeah, the theme. Yeah.

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Fires in Distance, Air Not Meant For Us. Interestingly enough, we haven't done a podcast in a while, so a lot of albums have come out since we were at Decibel, and this is one of them. It's their second album. We've already mentioned them. It's a great album. Matt, I wouldn't say it's Enya Kor. I just kind of got the gothic vibe with the Death Do. But that's just me. What do I know? What do you know? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. I know nothing. Don't forget it. What? Don't forget.

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You know nothing, Jon Snow. You're right. You're right. I don't even know what you're talking about because I don't understand. I really want to listen to Enya now. I love Enya. I love what you're talking about. Enough with the Enya. Let me finish my list of five. I'm kidding. Third album, Herod, Iconoclast. They're kind of a proggy sludge band from Switzerland. I first heard of these guys because I think, Matt, you liked their previous album that came out in

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2019 somber destin i guess i said i only heard about them because i checked them out post

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year end and i forgot about them and they had a new album that just came out and i thought it's great

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there's heavy crushing riffs it's sludgy it's kind of proggy it's cool uh we've mentioned the ocean

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race i'm not going to go any more detail i like the album but it's a grower and it's a shower so it's

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It's kind of cool. And then a band no one's mentioned yet, Matt. I'm a little disappointed because they were your album of the month last month. Void Ceremony. Sorry. Threads of the Anointing. It's a killer kind of technical proggy whatever chaotic technical angular album with a sense of direction which usually those albums don't have with a little bit of kind of jazz metal fusion kind of mixed in. I feel like the guitarists are fans of

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Allen Hallsworth. But it's cool stuff. They're kind of a super group, I guess. I can't name all the bands they're part of, but it's cool. I like it better than the first album. Just so you know, Matt, John had a pretty detailed and long conversation with you while you were gone. He did. He name-dropped you a bunch of times and you weren't there to respond. He kept saying Matt, and then the last time you said Matt, he sat down right after me.

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I was even looking because I was reading. I had to pee. I apologize. Hey, Matt, go fuck yourself. So anyway. Which, by the way, that's the summary of what he said while you were going to say it. When I'm done fucking myself, let's go. All right, fine. Since I didn't talk that long, Matt, I mentioned the band Herod, Iconoclast. I mentioned Point Ceremony. And yeah, Point Ceremony, which I like. I like that Point Ceremony. I like both those albums. And thank you for mentioning it.

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Sorry I wasn't here, John. Sorry my life. I choose to make my albums that I'm listening to all about you, and you disappear. John, you remind me of a joke. Oh, thanks, Jake. John, you remind me of a joke. Hard stop. I couldn't even share that myself. Yeah, well, I'm still going to tell the joke, but you remind me of something else, too. But the joke is this. It's David Mamet,

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who wrote Glengarry Glen Ross and all that. You know, just harsh, filthy language movies he writes. Anyway, and he had his favorite joke about New York is that a tourist goes up to a New Yorker and says, excuse me, can you tell me how to get to the Statue of Liberty or should I just go fuck myself? My list is super short, partially just because I always listen to the stuff that's on the script.

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I've listened to a lot of just constant shuffle metal going on in my life and stuff. But the truth is that the things I've been listening to most for the last week are, strangely, a lot of old school Mexican classic Mexican singers. I think it's because I'm buying a house in Arizona. I mean, old school stuff from the 70s and 50s and 60s and 40s. I'm totally addicted to it. But on the heavier side of things, I've been listening to, I got this weird, I fell into Jimmy

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Hendrix spiral as I do from time to time. And since I mentioned him particular, I'll say that anybody who wants to get into Hendrix, I always think his live records are better than his studio records. And in particular, live at Woodstock, the Monterey Pop Festival and Band of Gypsies are kind of in constant rotation at my house right now. Nice. The regular Band of Gypsies or the expanded version? The expanded version, but I kind of like the format of it because I listen to

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of the earlier ones so much, you know what I mean? Yeah. So there's a weird part of me that wants it to be that way. But the expanded version is so fucking good. I honestly think, I don't think there's anything I like better by him than the Woodstock thing. I mean, and it sounds silly and it's got nothing to do with the fame of Woodstock. It's just such a good live show. Yeah. See, I like that he did Machine Gun, you know, for the Band of Gypsies and they did the four shows at New Year's Eve. So. Yeah.

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And lots of other metal mixed in, but it's just sometimes when I fall into this Hendrix thing, I'm stuck. And that's kind of where I'm stuck right now. So I don't need to list anything else. All the other stuff we've talked about today, of the records we've talked about, the new releases, despite me saying it's a little bit lesser, I have listened to the Cattle Decap a lot. That is one of the things that's currently that I've really liked. Anywho, George. All right. Bless you, George. Is it a sneeze? Yes.

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I muted for that. Um, so my first album is not metal, uh, but as the band concrete blonde and their third album from 1990 bloodletting, John knows about this because, uh, uh, it's one of my favorite albums, uh, of all time, honestly. Uh, and I managed to pick it up on 24, one 92 flack, uh, on co-buzz.

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And it sounds so much fucking better than... You have to remind me what their hit was. They had a song I really liked. It was a guy's name. Joey. Joey, baby. I don't know anything else about them. Well, you should. And I think that's a good song. The title track alone is amazing. But this album is awesome. And it will eventually be featured on the other new podcast that John and I are doing.

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Stairway to 11. Because it is a... Tanner Laugh and he gets it. I like it. That's a good title. It's Zep plus Spinal Tap. And we've recorded our first episode, which will be coming soon. And yeah, but this will eventually make its way onto that podcast because it is more of an alt-rock kind of album. But I'm not going to spare you from hearing that I listened to it. So,

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There it is.

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But the rest of the list is pretty metal.

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The new Enforced album, War Remains, their third album, Richmond Thrash Band.

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Very good stuff.

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Very Sepultura-ish, if you will, like back when Sepultura was actually Sepultura.

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Escuela Grind, their second album, Memory Theater.

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We just saw them at Decibel and holy shit were they amazing.

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And I gotta tell you,

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they were like one of the,

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I don't,

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were they,

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were they the first opening band?

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First or second on the second day?

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I think they were the first opening band,

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but their merch line was like through the venue the whole time,

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that whole day.

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Like nobody else had the merch like they did.

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They,

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they,

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they played such an amazing set.

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They were so,

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you're talking about a squalor,

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squalor,

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squalor,

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Yeah, it was so amazing. And yeah, I dig them a lot. So that shirt I bought isn't too tight. It's too big. So I have a different problem. I spent half an hour in that long ass merch line just to get up there and talk to them and go, don't have my fat ass size. Thanks. So Matt, does that mean you're going to have to eat a lot of chicken wings and drink beers to wear that shirt then? I told the girl, I said, I'm a dude, I can shrink anything in the dryer and it's not working. So I may have to. That's because it's probably pre-drunk. Yeah.

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All right, next up is Fires in the Distance, Air Not Meant for Us. Mentioned several times already. It's their second album. It's good stuff. Next up, I have a band called Healthy Living, and that's no spaces, healthy living, all one word. The album is called Songs of Abundance, Psalms of Grief. It's kind of a post-metal female-fronted band. It's kind of do me, you know.

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I came across it on Bandcamp because it was one of the featured albums and I was like, holy shit, this is really good. So, you know, I dig that. Then the Iron Master album, Weapons of Spiritual Carnage, their second album, Swedish Death Metal. Our friend Justin turned me on to this one. Swedish Death Metal, what are you going to do? And lastly, to

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to no one's acclaim.

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The new Metallica album, 72 Seasons.

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I fucking love it.

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Fuck y'all.

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It was my album of the month.

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You know, I'm old enough to know Metallica in 1983.

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And, you know, shit happens.

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Load happens.

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St. Edgar happens.

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You course correct.

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And they're back on track.

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And I think this is a really great album.

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I thought Death Magnetic was great. Yeah, it was. The last one. Now I can't even remember the name. Hardwired to self-destruct. Hardwired. Man Unkind was dope. It had some good stuff. It was a little slower. Yeah, this I'll be honest. I have not made it all the way through the newest one. It just I don't know. It didn't didn't grab me. It didn't it didn't feel like I needed to listen to.

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Well, I will admit the first time I went through it, I was like, this sucks. You know, I was like, no, it's, but it's a grower, not a show. Wait. Yeah. A grower. And the second time through, second time through, I was like, oh, wait, you know, my expectations were set. And I was like, all right, I know what I'm going to get here. Let's check it out again. And the second time I was like, all right, I get this now.

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And the third time through, I was like, I really like this. So, okay. I'll have to give it another shot. I've got a question. I've got a question jumping off of that that I think is really important to ask everybody. Was that your last one? It was. Okay. Megadeth or Metallica? It's an age-old question, but it says a lot about a person. The problem is, you're going to hear all kinds of things like this. Metallica in the early days.

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Megadeth later.

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But not now. Actually, Metallica, I think, is probably better than Megadeth right now.

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Metallica all the way.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Ultimately, yes.

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I mean, I really like Megadeth album two through cryptic writings.

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I don't like Dave's vocals.

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Never have.

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Never have.

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So I've never been into it.

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I think Metallica for sure.

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Rust in Peace is better than any album Metallica has ever put out. I still like a lot of Metallica. They have a soft spot in my heart, obviously. It's what got me into metal in the first place. But Rust in Peace is just... God, it's an objectively amazing album. Tornado of Souls.

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I like Countdown.

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I still like Peace sells a lot.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Rust might be their best.

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But even Euthanasia I think is really good.

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Yeah.

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Euthanasia.

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I like Euthanasia.

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I'm the oddball.

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I prefer Megadeth over Metallica.

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So you have the correct opinion. But you don't like Dave. No, Dave's kind of a douche, but I did. He was nice to me when I met him. Oh, yeah. It just he's. Hey, George, how's it going? Yeah, pretty much. Hey, yeah, but he did everything I asked of him. Love the podcast. They're not mutually exclusive. You can still think the person is kind of a douche, but still acknowledge that they make great music.

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This is true.

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Are they mutually assured destruction, though?

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Yes.

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Well, as long as they're not Varg, it's okay.

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But yeah, I prefer the...

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When we did our 50 albums, remember, for 50 years?

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Peace Sells, I still...

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That's my favorite album from them.

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Yeah.

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So that through Rust is just lights out for me.

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And I do like euthanasia a lot still, too,

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even though it's kind of the newer sound of that period for those bands.

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That's on Countdown. I like Countdown to Extinction. That's a good record. Yeah, it's a great record. Yeah, Reckoning Day and Train of Consequences and Etude Le Monde. I have like a tightness of my chest holding back my Dave Mustaine like just belting them all out right now. And I'll say his bands don't hold back man belt it out.

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Megadeth Live is awesome. Well, dude, I've pitched this before, so I'm going to pitch it again. They had a record after they kind of had their little comeback thingy when his hand was okay and blah, blah, blah. Yeah. It's called One Night in Argentina. Oh, that's awesome. That's awesome. And there's the version of Reckoning Day on that is like my favorite version of that song. Megadeth Live is a lot better than Metallica Live from what I've seen. Metallica is, frankly, pretty sloppy live. Yeah. I'll buy that.

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They're pretty loose. The last record he made that I really liked was the United Abominations. I don't think he's anything super interesting. I think United Abominations is really underrated. It's great. It's great, yeah. See, I loved Endgame just because I love Chris Broderick, the guitarist. He's so fucking good. He gets dissed by Dave so much, and I'm like, fuck. The only saving grace for Dave is that he brought in Kiko from

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as his guitarist, who's just as good, if not better. That's the only saving grace he has, because he kind of didn't let Chris do what he wanted to do in that band. They put out 13. I was like, ugh. And it's super collider. I was like, come on, dude. You know what was really interesting to watch was the behind-the-scenes footage of the Marty Friedman thing in Japan. Oh, yeah. It was cool, actually, and Marty was like... He was down with it. I took him at his word, too. He was like, man, the band is so good right now.

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him that he thinks they're like firing on all cylinders dave always has good musicians he always does i just saw something that speak to his character of how many rotating musicians are in the band you're right that's unreal that's a sign that he's probably not easy to work with yeah uh no i think he's not and this marty friedman stuff i'm talking about they do all sort of deferred like they all sit on one couch and dave sits on another one and they all sort of worship him a little bit and you can tell like he kind of enjoys that and it's like okay that's

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That's kind of what it's like with us too. I'm trying to replace Sammy at some point. Yeah, none of this happens. Sammy, do not be online with anything you don't want people to see. Just saying. And with Tanner? Yeah, or anybody. Are you talking about Ellison? Yes. Who is also from Minnesota. That's what we do in Minnesota.

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So actually, I know there's a guy that teaches guitar. He's like a family friend. His name is Brad Schmidt. And he was friends with David Elfson. And they moved out to L.A. in the 80s and met Dave Mustaine. And Brad did not join the band that they formed. And David, you know, Dave did. And they've got pictures of like them all hanging out in like some motel. He's like, yeah, I guess I probably could have been.

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Megadeth's first guitarist.

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Oh.

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Whoops.

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Dope.

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By the way, speaking of Dave Elveson, did you see his comments about saying that

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Mustaine just needs to fucking get over Metallica now at some point?

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I was like.

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He's back into the hater place.

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They kind of like made up for a while there.

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Oh, yeah.

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And then he had his little incident.

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Yeah.

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You know, and then Dave Mustaine just beat him over the head for how many?

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About a year or two.

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And finally, the other dave was like, all right, I'm done with this shit. Fuck you. Which I'm like, finally, somebody's saying something back to this thing. Hey, I accidentally watched the Ellison video and I'm like, you go, dude. You accidentally watched it. Well, I didn't, I didn't. So at the time, I did not know that you could. You clicked the wrong video, Tanner. You thought it was something else. No, I did not know you could show that sort of thing on Twitter because like Facebook, you can't. So I was on Twitter and I was like, click.

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And I was like, what the fuck? George, are you familiar with the term French mistake? I am now. Google it. Anyway, a French mistake is, and this is a famous old term from back in the day, and Mel Brooks used this in one of his movies. He had a song called French Mistake. It's in the Blazing Saddles. Anyway, it means when you accidentally have a homosexual encounter with somebody. Yeah, well, no. I had no idea that you could show dirty things on Twitter, because

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Facebook doesn't allow that and I don't use Twitter very much so I was like alright let's see what

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you know let's watch this thing and then I was like show everything on Twitter

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somebody probably snuck it out there for a few minutes

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yeah it was

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it's now where Tommy Lee posted his most recent exposure

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yeah let's just say it was bubbling over

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oh god

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wow alright

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I like Metallica better

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that was such a good thing to sneak in the theater

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But I agree, rest in peace still slays everything else. It's pretty good. Pretty fucking good. Should we move on to the Thunderdome? Yeah. Speaking of thunder. All right, yeah. Yeah, so. The balls of Oak Pantheon have made it this far. Yes, we are almost there, gentlemen. This may actually destroy them. They say, we're like, we sat through that shit? Yeah. Well, in Thunderdome, we know.

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kind of on the fence. We didn't know what was going to happen. Yeah, we didn't. So last time the Thunderdome was Bruce Dickinson's chemical wedding versus Halford's resurrection. Oh, yeah. I wonder who came up with that. So it was this was yes, it was you. So this was probably the closest one. Really? It came out. It was 52 percent.

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to 48%.

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Wow.

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I thought for sure Halford would get crushed because everyone just figures that made,

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or Bruce did a better run.

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Well,

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well,

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well,

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well,

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well,

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well,

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well,

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well,

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Yeah, everybody's different though. But that was the thing we talked about sort of earlier on, but you forget about these solo records. Yeah. That's why I brought it up for the Thunderdome because we obviously know Rob Halford and Bruce Dickinson from their bands, but they've done quite a few solo albums and they just don't seem to get the same play as the albums from the band. Yeah. And I wanted to revisit these and they're considered the two best and they're produced by the same guy.

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Yeah, so either way, Roy Z wins, you know. Yeah. So that's really cool. I love A Close Thunderdome, but I am very interested to see what Tanner and Sammy might think about these two albums. Yeah. If they know anything about them. Do you have an opinion? You might not. I've listened to The Chemical Wedding a long time ago. I remember it being better than I thought it would be. It's great. Yeah. I, you know, I wish I had more of a strong

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I mean, I mean, I mean, I knew I liked the Bruce album,

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But, uh,

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but, uh,

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Alford,

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I was like,

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well,

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it's solid as fuck.

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You know,

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it's funny too.

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The Roy Z thing being involved in both of them reminds me of back way back when Jim Carrey first got started and,

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um,

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dumb and dumber and,

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um,

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Ace Ventura like came out in the same year and he was like nominated on the MTV music awards or something or movie awards for,

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and for both of them at the same time.

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And he won for one of them.

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I don't know which one,

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but he went up and his speech was,

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um,

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You know, there's a lot of, um, he said, you know, obviously there's a lot of people in this category that I respect and like, but clearly I'm better than them. But he said, he said, but I refuse to believe that I'm a better actor than myself. Because both films, he was nominated for two different films twice in the same category. Sorry. That's a funny fucking joke. All right. So I'm thinking Roy Z should refuse to believe he's a better producer than himself. Indeed.

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He plays guitar in both too, though, right? I believe so. Yeah. You know, he's sort of the Rick Rubin of, you know, that scene, right? Because Johnny Cash is into, like, rehabilitating people. So who do we need to put Roy Z in touch with now? Who's out there that needs a little shot in the ass? Oak Pantheon. Nah! I don't think you need it at all. You are right where you need to be. No. They need a shot in the ass and in the dick. Oh! You know what? Wow.

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Well, that's what I was thinking, Ozzy, but I think the guy Ozzy's got is good. Has he worked with Ozzy? Fair enough. I thought he has. With Ozzy? I thought he has. They may well have done. I don't know. I mean, he's got his hands on everything. They did wrong about that. I thought he did. Well, he should work with Maiden because the production's not very good on the last few albums. I agree. What's his name that's been doing everything since Brave New World? Kevin Shirley. Yeah, not so good. I want to see Roy Z.

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How are you going to have a Grim Reaper album at this point? Yeah. He did. Oh, Steve died. Yeah. Last year. The Reaper got him, Sammy. I did not know that. Well, he had his legs taken off and then later he died. Oh, I just really love See You in Hell. Yeah, it's a great album. It's a great, yeah. By the way, Richie Faulkner has been heard to say lately that Rob Halford is just killing it on the new record. So I'll be looking forward to hearing that. Yeah. Yeah.

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I was going to ask, there's a lot, I think, I feel like there's a lot of examples of a, a, you know, lead singer going off of a more popular music band and becoming bigger than their band. Are there, are there any, I mean, yeah, I guess, yeah. What are some of the metal examples of that? I think Ozzy is the only one. Cause I think metal is like, there's too much respect for the instrumentation part of the music.

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in the scene that like I don't think you get that same sort of worship of singers quite in the same way there's still some of that but it has to do with the quality of the material but the truth is is I think both Halford and Bruce were a little more successful than their bands at that time yeah it was playing fucking clubs man I saw I saw Maiden at Harpo's in Detroit which is a small club and Priest was in a similar situation and Bruce and um

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Rob were both being invited to, you know, fucking walking and stuff like that. Maybe Dio. Yeah, it was a great example. Yeah, actually, yeah. I don't know that he totally eclipsed. This is a good question. I like this. Now, Dio, I mean, but I don't know how well, I mean, certain Dio albums I sold real well, but I don't.

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None of them have probably sold as much as... But as a force in metal, he's an icon. Everyone knows Holy Diver. Not everyone knows Rainbow in the Dark, necessarily. I'm just thinking you got Sting got pretty huge. Peter Gabriel's massive. Peter Gabriel. Phil Collins off the Genesis bus. It's an interesting... It's not a metal thing. It's more of a pop rock thing.

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That's right. Metalheads are too keen on the personality instrumentation. Oh, I got one. King Diamond. Yeah, all right. Yeah, he's bigger than Merciful Fate, probably. But to be fair, Merciful Fate, that was really them just changing the name of the band because they felt like there was all kinds of negative connotations for Merciful Fate. So King Diamond started with a bunch of Merciful Fate guys. So maybe that doesn't count. Yeah, no, I think King Diamond counts. Ozzy King Diamond, do you know? For metal?

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What about Steven Percy? No. Sorry. My bad. You know, I'm literally just like paging through my iTunes here and it's there just isn't much that you're right. I can't see a fucking thing that stands out of me is. It's like that dude left and went crazy. You know, Jeff Tate. Wait, no. I mean, there are people who have less bands and found success in other bands and stuff, obviously. Well, there's there's there's people even.

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He might not be a singer. So for example, like Slash is a very famous guitarist went on to do his own band. So he, you know, which all sucked, not as successful, but, but yeah, but he's a name. Like you, you know who he is. Like he's a, he's an icon, you know? Yeah. I just, yeah, I just can't think beyond those couple that we've mentioned who has gone on to become more successful as a solo artist than their band. I mean, sounds like a really hard top five.

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in deep purple, but I doubt it. And I know he's not a singer, but Richie went out and did something. He did some good stuff. Michael Shanker would be another example. Somebody went out and had a good career. That's a good question, though. They're not bigger, but I will say one close to is Dave Mustaine. He went out and made it fucking. Yeah, actually, I guess the trick to making that work in metal is to not do the project under

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your name, but just to make a new band. Yeah. I mean, obviously he doesn't have near the success as Metallica, but he's still got. He lets us know that all the time. I mean, it doesn't always work though, because Halford did Fight, which I love. Oh yeah. But that wasn't very successful. No, it wasn't. It wasn't. All right. So we're still doing Thunderdome here and it's Matt.

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So, um, this, I was actually waiting in the wings. Cause we've been talking about the, uh, likelihood, the odds, the Vegas odds of whose Thunderdome was going to be. So I kind of was thinking and thinking and thinking. And then it was like, it was just a click, like, Hey, I had this conversation with James at decibel. We were kind of talking about like, gosh, all sorts of stuff. And I was like, Hey, it's cool. How like everybody,

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He likes different music and we can all get along and we can argue but we still get along

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and then I had mentioned

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you know this

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I said that I was always confusing

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the album Swan Song

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with the album Cold Lake

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and I said clearly I would really

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love this one you know that would be

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the obvious choice and he says oh no I would

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totally listen to this one I would prefer that one over

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and I thought this is like the

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pinnacle of what we're talking about so

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Carcass of Swan Song versus

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Kiltic Frost, Cold Lake. I thought you were going to go with the bands that people love, but the albums by them, they don't. Well, you know, in this case, that would work. But at the same time, you know, how, you know, is this unconditional love? Well, I have a prediction. I think one band is going to sweep the fucking board here. I think so, too. This may be, this may be

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the two mold of Thunderdome.

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But I think that's because one of them is so much substantially worse than the other one.

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Whereas the one that I think is going to win, there are strange, no not strangely, but there are people who like call it out as like, hey, that's the one I really fucking kind of like.

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I like it.

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You know, and what I would say is, and I'm not going to physically say the conversation that you and I had, Jay, but it like the rationale behind why the album sounds like it does,

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I think speaks for a lot of reasons as to why we don't like albums like as people like as bands evolve and we either like their work we don't like their work and some of those reasons as to why we don't like them goes back to this so if I could be more vague I would like this is the most well I mean I think I don't know if you're referring to this particular thing but I don't think it ruins anything and it's that Tom himself says Cold Lake sucks because he was happy at the time yeah

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He was married. It was a half pieces of everybody's life and apparently he needs to feel like shit to make good records. I've always made the joke, God, it must be so nice to be sad and have something to write music about. It's funny, Tom gets a pass with me because I like him so much, but he's a bit of a fucking, you know, like, it's like, come on, dude. He used to write these blog posts that were just like, I felt like his appendix burst one time and he woke up on the floor.

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in a world of piss. You know what I mean? It's like, come on, dude. Like, you just fucking, he tries a little too hard to be dark, to be honest with you. But. Well, you know, I knew there was a problem when, you know, you listen to Cold Lake and it's like, ew. I mean, and I even get on a pass for Mexican radio on Into the Pandemonium. And Into the Pandemonium itself, which I think is actually a very interesting

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record, but you could argue it's also, you know. Yeah. But it's all right. It's all right. Yeah. All right. Well, let's light this fucking candle. Tanner. Yes. Celtic Frost or. I think I feel like. Carcass. I feel like I might have the unpopular opinion just based on what I've just heard. Me too. I kind of dug the Celtic Frost album. No.

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It's

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somehow

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it's like the vocals almost

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work

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by the way it's not 100% bad

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no it's

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not at all

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I think removing it

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I like Celtic Frost

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but I'm not

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they're not ingrained in my DNA

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so

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and I also

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like cheesy 80s

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Glamrock and stuff like that. And Cold Lake. Yeah, and so turning it on and listening to it, I was actually, Markisan set it over, I don't remember, you know, yesterday or the day before. So I didn't, I was like, oh crap, I'm not going to have time to listen to this, but I mowed the lawn today, so I threw on both albums. Perfect. And I couldn't find Cold Lake because he like erased it from his, like, it's not on Spotify.

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It's on YouTube though. You can always find full album. I found it on YouTube. And so I had it going. I'm like, you know what? It's kind of dope. And so I listened to like maybe half of that album. And then I was like, all right, I want to make sure I have time to listen to both. So I threw on the Carcass album. And the Carcass album was kind of corny. And I don't know Carcass that well either.

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Maybe they're kind of goofy and have a sense of humor about it, but it was like, I don't want your politics. It just kind of had this, I don't know, corny. They're not usually like that. That's just this album. Yeah. I mean, Jeff is when he talks, but yeah. Corny is the right word, though. It's bad. It's real bad. It was pretty corny. It wasn't terrible. The rotten roll style.

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I think I'd take Cold Lake over

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Carcass. Wow. So much for the sweep. Sammy. Cold Lake 100%. Wow. Who let these guys in?

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So like I'm also kind of in the same boat as Tanner. I haven't listened to Carcass that much but

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But from what I felt from Swan Song, I was like, yeah, I've heard this before. Cold Lake, I think, at least tries to do something. It does kind of suck, but it's at least doing something interesting. Kind of? It's like the absence. It doesn't really sound like anything else, right? It kind of sucks, but it doesn't sound like anything else. It does kind of sound like, oh no. Marcus, help us out here.

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Wait, Sammy's not done. He probably has more to say. That's about it. I only got to listen through each one once, but yeah. I'm sorry, but you're not going to get the sweep. Yeah, and I'm sorry I invited these guys on. That's all right. You know, the rest of the stuff they said makes up for it. I just sent you a picture. Does it? It does. You guys are pretty awesome. I sent you a picture in the messenger. It's like, I like the music, but the people are even better.

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Thanks. Yeah, I'm sorry, Matt, but this one is a very easy one. I love Celtic Frost. I've talked about Celtic Frost many, many times, but Cold Lake is absolutely unlistenable. It's an abomination to me. I don't know. For some unexplicable reason, Tom G. Warrior decided to make this sleazy glam metal album with ridiculous breathy female spoken word sections, which makes it even worse.

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And then they put out this photo that I just sent you. Even before the record came out. I like it. And it's fucking horrifying if you know anything about Tom G. Warrior. He looks so bad. This record is the biggest mistake in the history of metal. It's the definition of the phrase, what the fuck. Thankfully, Tom G. came to his senses and he started a course correction with Vanity Nemesis,

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Although I'm not a huge fan. That's not bad. And then they went away for a while, which was a fucking good idea. And then they returned with the masterpiece Monotheist. Yes. And then we got Trypticon after that. And Tom G has even owned up to the Cold Lake disaster saying, and I quote, G said something earlier, but this is the exact quote. It is the biggest piece of garbage that ever happened to mankind. I cannot agree.

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So it's horrid. Swan Song, also a record created for more mainstream success. And it was supposed to be Carcass's major label debut with Columbia Records, actually. But there was some kind of contract dispute and they ended up staying with E-Rake. But it definitely would have been more at home on Columbia, I think, because it's kind of like Carcass's load record.

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It's very rock and roll. Everything's dialed down. It's simpler. There's no speedy riffs. It's super dumb drums. Even lyrics, which we talked about a little bit earlier, are basic, straightforward garbage. It's all about light society stuff or rock and roll, which is always the kiss of death. If you're going to sing songs about rock and roll, probably going to be pretty bad. That's why I hate Kiss. But the album,

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does still rock and we still get death metal vocals on there and as far as i know carcass never did a glam metal photo shoot so for the win carcass easy all right um i guess matt you get to go last since it's yours so john

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I found out about this I guess last

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because I just heard about it last night

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at like 6.30.

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Sorry.

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Yeah I had no idea we were doing this.

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So I really didn't listen to either album that much.

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Maybe like half of each album this morning.

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And I had a preconceived notion going in.

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But I will say this.

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Some of the songs with Cold Lake were a lot better

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I thought they were. It's not my stuff. It's not all glam metal. I think that that's kind of the easy way to go about looking at this album because they look it. I will say this. Had they never released an album prior to this one, people would love this band. I'm telling you right now, they would love this because the songs aren't horrible at all. It's just I don't like glam metal. I never have. But that said, when I listened to Swan Song, I was like,

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Really? I have to choose between these two? I wasn't impressed by either one. And I have swan song. I just haven't listened to it in years. As I went back, I was like, ugh. You know, so I'm only going with Carcass just because Bill Steer's cool. And Jay and I had an awesome interview with him. He couldn't have been any nicer to us. Yes, that's right. You know, but with that said, you know, whatever.

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I'm not a fan of either album. I mean, it's not prototype by Celtic Frost, which might be the worst thing ever made, which is nothing more than a promotional demo. I'm not a fan of either of these records, too, but I guess we're all going to say stuff like that. First off, I'll just say briefly, I do think Cold Lake is one of the worst things that ever could have happened in anybody's career. And the fact that Tom survived it and came back to make the good stuff he did,

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and not everybody's laughing at him still. Shows you how good the comeback stuff was. And that we all totally forgive him for Cold Lake, I think. At least I do. I mean, not that he needs that. Was he even involved in this album that much, though? No, I feel like I read somewhere he was like the other band members were writing the music and I was just going through the motions. Yeah, so was that? The producer pushed him towards it, maybe. No, but I'm saying he wasn't the driving force.

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of it that he was just he had other shit going on in his life yeah i feel like i've heard

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that too i mean he he put a stamp of approval on he is caloric frost i mean i understand but he said he

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wasn't you might be right as involved with it he was with all the other albums he just sort of let it happen

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that makes it worse somehow that's like that's like the project manager just saying yeah all the new

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like the interns did the work and i just said thumbs up yeah of course it's like sammy writing all the

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The only song that gets us any sort of royalties on Spotify is Sammy's. Oh, wow. I retract. Even though I said that I do think Cold Lake is not 100% bad because I really don't think it is. Yeah, it's 105% bad. But it's wrapped in enough bad that there's no reason to own it.

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There's no reason to have it and to put it on. So that's that bad. I don't think Swan Song is that bad. I think Swan Song is kind of a weird, interesting left turn they took. It's not going to be the carcass record I'm going to put on. But also, by the way, they survived it the same way Tom survived his thing. You know, Metallica will never really live down Lulu and Lode and all that shit. There's a whole bunch of people that are never going back. The names are Will. What's that? The names are Will.

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But I think Carcass and Celtic Frost totally survived both of these records. Long story short, I shouldn't go on for too long. I love Tom, one of my favorite artists of all time. But Carcass for sure in this particular situation. Yeah. And both bands, by the way, I wish Tom would put something new out, but both groups of musicians, especially Tom, but I mean Carcass is more of a group, Tom's more of a guy, put him out top-notch stuff these days.

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He's this far into the careers, putting out vital, listenable, kick-ass music. I mean, they're supposed to be more Trypticon. He said he was working on that for a while now. Yeah. Yeah. He's moving a little slow, but at least we got the Requiem thing in the meantime. Yeah, Requiem was great. Yeah. So in any case, but that is, by the way, how great is that? You know, like Monotheist and Surgical Steel and stuff. Those are great fucking records, man. We're this far down the road with these guys. It's an interesting,

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thing, because I am not opposed to people trying new things and doing something different, but these are like, it's just too far. Like, they didn't know what they were doing when they did it. You know what I mean? I don't know. It's just, they're mistakes, but at least they own up to it. At least that they go on and then they create even greater works, you know, beyond that. That is impressive. Sometimes you need to talk about Cold Lake forever, but he'll talk about it now a little bit.

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Sometimes you need to go on that weird tangent and just get it out of your system. Yeah. Totally. I understand that completely. You ever hear Self-Portrait by Bob Dylan? Brutal, dude. Yeah. So, George. Right. To be clear, Carcass was my choice. Yeah. So, while I love both of these bands, Cold Lake, Neverlight.

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I liked it. Not a bit. Um,

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Swan song. However, I've always loved that album.

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I understand it's not typical carcass, you know, it's not hard work. It's not, uh, necroticism.

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It's not surgical steel. It's different. It's, it's carcass light, if you will, but, but it's still fucking better than a lot of other things that are out there.

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And so for me, hands down, Carcass. Yeah, I mean, I agree. It still rocks. It's just, it's very light Carcass, for sure. There's just no complexity to it. I liked it when it came out. I was like, all right, this is cool. I dig it. And then I was like, wait, they broke up? I thought it was called Swan Song because they knew it was going to be their last record. Yeah. No, it was because they broke up, I think, even before it even came out. Before it came out. They did. And,

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Yeah, but... I was just... By the way, we mentioned Surgical Steel, but I want to shout out to Torn Arteries, too. Yeah, great album. It's so good. I just... I think Oak Pantheon needs to do a glam metal album next. Clearly there. Or at least a power metal album. Or a power glam. Or a power glam. Sammy, didn't we have... I think we have a glam metal joke name. Soaked Panty Thong.

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I was waiting to see if you would say that one on air. Wow, you guys have so many great alternative names for your band. And then a food metal one called Parmesan. Yeah, there's a lot. I want to hear all of these. Parmesan does not sound appetizing. What? Come on. You bake it a little, it'll be fine. It's gluten-free. I still haven't figured out the sound of

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in my head. Would that just be like noise rock? No, it'd be definitely granola-like hippie music. It'd be like Weird Al food parodies. That's it. All right. So you work on Oak Parmesan and I'll work on Ork Paladin. Okay. You need to have like restaurant field noises or something in there. That'd be good. The grease. What the fuck is up Denny's? It's true. You just go to Taco Bell and record and then you put that in the background.

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I love that video.

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The Denny's album, Track 2, Moons Over Miami.

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Let's get Matt's choice here, by the way.

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That's so good.

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Sorry, Matt.

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I forgot I wasn't the last.

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Please, discuss amongst yourselves.

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Strangely enough, I actually paired Monotheist and Surgical Steel on one of my prior Thunderdomes.

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In some ways, I just can't get away from these bands.

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And so this is what I would say.

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I think as you're going through life and when you experience things in real time, you can have a much different experience versus experience it in retroactive time. And so for me, both of these albums are retroactive. In 10th grade, I fell in love with Necroticism and then Heartwork. And then I didn't do anything with Carcass and Tell Surgical Steel. Celtic Frost, most of that catalog has been retroactive to me.

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So I didn't listen to their music and then was like giving Cold Lake and thought, oh God, you know, like when you listen to Justice and then you got the Black Album, which for me was not a game changer. So what you're saying is you're young. We get it. Exactly. I don't have a lot of chest hair. But the reality for me is like I have zero issues with Cold Lake. Yes, it doesn't sound like a lot of other things, but like to me, Tom is untouchable. I mean, the man is a wizard, but I live and die by carcass.

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And the strange thing is, I can remember over the pandemic, we were, we had lived in Minneapolis and we had sold their home and we're moving to where I live now. But in that, we had like this four month period of time we had to kill. So we moved in with my, with my mom and stepdad. And I just remember running every day. I would go out and run and have carcass on rotation, just their whole catalog. And every time like a, like a song from Slonson, we're going to be like, wait a minute, oh my gosh, this has got to be a Slonson track, you know, because I wasn't familiar with the names of the tracks and like it all had to be.

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to meld into my brain. But that said,

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for me, it's a numbers game. I have to go with Carcass.

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I've loved Carcass my whole life. I didn't realize it until a few years ago.

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Nothing for me beats Carcass. And I guess to what y'all are saying,

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I would agree with Swan Song is less of a departure than Cold Lake is

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for Celtic Frost. For sure.

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You know, I can tell you this, having lived through it in real time,

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not as a brag, but being a huge Celtic Foss pin at the time, I felt fucking betrayed. I was like, what the fuck? And I'm not even that guy anymore. I mean, you can do whatever you want. You can't betray me with your band. I get it. That's not how I feel as an older person. But at the time, I was like, Jesus. I mean, you really got to look at the back of the Morbid Tales one time and taking the pictures of those guys. This would be like if Dark Throne did this. You know what I mean?

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Yeah. And that's, I mean, that's exactly what I'm saying, Jay. It's like, when you get slapped in the face like that in real time, like, that feels much different when you're looking at it retroactively. I also think it's the reason why Metallica's never going to make another Master of Puppets, right? Because, like, they're not driving around in a van in San Francisco in 1984, you know? They just, much like Tom's, like, he's married, he's happy, he has nothing to, you know, there's no discord in his life at that time. Yeah. Boy, I'll tell you what, though, when they end up

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My La Fiesta's concept. Because it took them forever to fucking record it and we heard about it for years. Boy, did I welcome them back with open arms. And I was just like, I'm sure this is going to be fucking great. And it so exceeded my expectations. It did. I did not expect anything when I heard this. It was so good. And then I was like, holy shit. And it was their swan song. It still stands out. It's so perfect.

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from start to finish.

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Yeah.

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There's just so much thematically and stuff I could talk about that I could bore people to fucking death with what I know about that record.

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You already have.

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Don't worry about it.

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Yeah.

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Even more so.

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In any case, so that's, it looks like we got, what, five carcasses?

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All the metalheads versus Oak Pantheon.

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You know, all the single ladies.

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That just means that me and Sammy are unique and special.

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Actually, I've been everywhere.

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I changed my vote to carcass.

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I was just going to say it's amazing you guys came together because you were talking about how there's albums that you only agree on like two albums not the case anymore now there's three yeah it's like choosing between Dahmer and Ed Gein or something like that by the way I want to stay for the record I did not choose either out of my chose Bill Steer

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being kind of wrong about Bruce versus Rob. There's no way that Carcass doesn't wipe this one out online. There's just no way. I'm rooting for Cole. I'd have interest now. We'll see. I would say I'm thankful, John, that you and Jay were able to have that conversation with Bill so that Jay could introduce Bill to me in Vegas. That was one of the highlights of mine was Bill being introduced to me. Dude, for what it's worth, that obviously had nothing to do with that conversation, but that's exactly how it went down.

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We don't know how many people worship at the Temple of the Oak.

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So they may be going with Sammy and Tanner on this.

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It's true.

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True.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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All right.

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So we have one more thing to do.

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And that is pick the album of the episode.

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Anything that has been mentioned by anyone, and I'm curious to see where Matt's going to go with this. Yes. Anything that's been mentioned, what is your favorite album? And since Tanner has turned off his camera, Sammy, it's on you. So out of all the albums mentioned. By anyone or at all? By anyone and everyone, it's going to be Cold Lake from Celtic Cross.

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No, it is not. I'm doubling down. No. Are you a messed up fan? Shut up. I did this like three hours ago. Shush, Jay. Shush. No. But I want to know if he's... We didn't know. We only got one part of it. We didn't get the other part. I'm curious if you are. I'm always wondering what record of those you might like. Shut up. I am...

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I never got into Mastodon. Thank you. Okay, moving on. This gets me punched sometimes. Do you know the title of any Mastodon albums? No. Have you heard Leviathan or anything like that? I heard Leviathan and Tanner and Sean really liked it, so I just kind of felt to keep the 2-1 rule. No, no, no, no. You know what? Here's the thing. Matt is contractually obligated to choose Leviathan as his album of the episode, if anybody mentions it.

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a chance to mention it yet. So I kind of set you up there a little bit. I just had to get it out there. Do you want to choose for Tanner as well? I'll choose for Tanner. What's one of the things I listed? We'll say that Tanner's album of the episode is At the Heart of Winterville by Twilight Force because he absolutely hated that when it first came out. Perfect. So I'm just attributing that to him now. I love it. Hopefully he'll come back and have an opinion. No, let's.

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Let's have him keep that opinion. All right. Well, for the moment, we'll move on to Markisan or Matt Stewart bitchy for life. John is Matt Stewart 2.0 and I'm Matt Stewart bitchy for life. That's the fourth and the installment. So, um, all right. Uh, yeah, I'm going to go with monotheist. Uh, I love that record and we've talked

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about it a little bit and now i really want to listen to it especially after

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suffering through cold lake i mean i couldn't even listen to the whole thing but

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cold lake's their best album

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so yeah monotheist is a great record and um really the return to form for tom g warrior who i do love

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even with this cold like abomination in his catalog all right so tanner welcome back uh we need to get

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your album of the episode. Anything mentioned by anyone other than Mastodon's Leviathan? This has been already decided. Tanner doesn't get a choice anymore. I spoke on his behalf. Sammy picked your album of the episode. What was it, Sammy? It was At the Heart of Winterville by Twilight Force because I remember when I showed that to you, you were just like, dude, this slaps. I don't think you showed that to me. I don't know. We found it at the same time. You're a liar. I would never tell a lie.

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All right, well, if you had a second choice, Tanner, what would it be? I'm going to go with the one that I mentioned that was the Conspiracy of Zero album. Fair. I'll check that out, by the way. Yeah, I want to do that, too. Definitely, yeah, yeah. I'd be curious to hear what you guys think about it, because it surprised me how much I've found myself coming back to it. No, you describe it in such a way as to intrigue me, so I'm definitely going to... You have piqued my interest. Yeah.

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Yes.

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All right, Matt, say it.

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Because the obligation that I have contractually, before I was even born, it was decided for me that if the album Leviathan by Mastodon was mentioned on any episode by anyone on that episode, I would be my number one choice.

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Nice.

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However, if there was no mention of it, I would have gone with Swan Song by Curtis.

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Nice.

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Fair enough.

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All right, John.

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I'm going with Death of Giants by Vener Sorg. Or excuse me, band Death of Giants album, Vener Sorg. Ooh, John really likes that one. Yeah, I need to hear this. I haven't heard this yet. I think in honor of the best head of hair on the podcast, I'm going to go with the expanded version of Band of Gypsies. That's my album of the best head of hair, of course. Honestly, at this point, the only head of hair. And that's, Marcus and I realize, you could produce

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I can't produce hair if I choose to. I've got a little bit of, you can't see it. I got a little, you know, there's some back here, but for the most part, it, you know, I used to have really long hair, but I don't anymore. I don't have hair anymore. I had hair down to my waist. It was, it was fucking metal, man. But yeah, like 57 years ago. Yeah, exactly. You don't have to have long hair to be metal. No, I have proven this. I hope.

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Barney doesn't have long hair. No, he does not. Ron Burgundy. What's your album of the episode there, George? So I don't usually do this. Usually I pick from something that was mentioned otherwise, but I kind of got to go with the guest. Oak Pantheon is my album of the episode, The Absence. Oh, wow. Again, I am. He is really. I'm inadvertently kissing butt, but I really mean it. It is my album of the episode. I like it a lot. Thank you.

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It is fantastic. I actually didn't expect that that touched me deeply. No, it, it, it, you know, I've been a metal fan for like 40 years and this is something that really meant something to me. So for what it's worth, George touches everybody eventually. Yeah. But he's on parole. Way to ruin it, Jay. Yeah.

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I was trying to be George and Oak Pantheon. And what did you do? He's just giving, giving him a heads up. That's all he's doing. We all, we really love the record. So it was great to have you guys on. And actually, do you want to tell people where they can find the album and where to find you and all that? Yeah. Give them their specific address. Thanks for having us on. I mean, the Oak Pantheon, the absence is on pretty much any,

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thing you can listen to music on. Bandcamp is where you can buy vinyls, t-shirts, CDs, all that. We've got a show coming up July 15th at Amsterdam Bar and Grill. Make it out to that if you're in Minneapolis or Minnesota area. For the United States, you know. That one's with Ashbringer and Alcom. I like Ashbringer. Alcom and Ragwoman.

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And then we've got another one we haven't announced yet coming in, I think, June 29th, a Thursday night, as sort of, I guess, a warm-up show for that bigger one. And that one's with Atomic Lights we mentioned earlier and Phase Meridian, who's two-thirds of which is part of our band. Double duty for them. What is the venue for that one, Tanner? That's going to be Eagles 34. Oh, sweet. Yeah.

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Yep. You might see Matt there because it's the neck of the woods. Yeah. Well, not only thank you for joining us, gentlemen, but thank you for spending so much time with us. And we really appreciate it. And for being so humorous and affable. Yes. Our type of guests. That goes a long way with us. And I'll tell you, just like I tell everybody else we've ever had on the show, you're my favorite guest ever. I keep getting better and better, but we do. That means so much.

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It's been great. It has not seemed like it's been

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almost four and a half hours now. It's just hanging out with friends talking about metal, man. That's all it is.

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I haven't met most of you and it's felt like we've known each other for a long time. It's been great. Thanks for having us on.

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Anytime. Can't wait to have you guys on another seven years and put out that next

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Yeah. Congratulations on your record. It's going to be an accomplishment to put that much energy into something. So congrats, guys. Yep. Thanks. We love the record. So we do. Peace out, gents. All right. Thanks, everyone. Have a great night. See you, boys. Thanks, guys. Talk to you later. Bye. See ya. Thanks. Take it easy.

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