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Now, here is the podcast, Metal Heads Podcast.

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Hello and welcome to the Metal Heads Podcast. My name is George.

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This is Jay. This is Will. This is John. This is Matt. This is Markisan.

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And we are joined today by Trevor Portz, back with us yet again to talk about the new Ashen Horde album, Antimony. I believe that's how that's pronounced. I say antimony. Antimony. Okay. Like alimony. Right. Well, anyway, welcome back. You were on here last year for the Abhoria album. I think you've been on here so many times now you should probably be an honorary pod member. So we'll send you your, your vest patch in the mail and a membership card.

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a Dakota ring. Nice. Nice. Can that get me into like any cool locations in LA? Uh, no, but you can get you in, get you in the studio here. If you ever happen to be on the East coast, George's house, a place to sleep. I can just like show up at your door and be like, dude, well, you can do that anyway, but the only benefits you get from it is it'll keep you out of some places and everything costs a little more. So just don't wear it anyway. Yes. So, all righty. Um, so how's everything going? Are you a void?

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and all the flooding out there?

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Yeah, well, yes.

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Yes, in terms of damage.

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But, like, it's so funny.

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So I've lived in L.A. 12 years now.

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And apparently the founders of the city, when they built it, just assumed it was never going to rain,

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despite the fact that it does actually rain every year for quite a while.

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So the minute it starts, everything floods.

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Our garage floods.

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The streets flood.

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Everyone freaks out.

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So, yeah, no damage, luckily, but it's kind of insane to watch.

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It takes about 10 minutes of rain for the entire city to be underwater.

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Yeah, when I was there last Christmas, it rained pretty much the whole time I was there.

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And I remember I actually tried to get you to meet up with me at the Rainbow.

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And the day that you were busy, but I went and I got dropped off by my brother-in-law and Barb on sunset.

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And the water running down the side of the streets was like, you know, don't get caught in that.

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because you're going to get swept away.

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So, yeah.

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Well, I'm glad.

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Otherwise, yes.

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It's mostly done, I think, which is nice.

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It's like this very, very small window at the beginning of every year where everything is green.

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All the hills are in.

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In about a month, it'll be back to its typical dry brownness.

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Right.

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Awesome.

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You've seen everything out there because you guys do crazy things every weekend.

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We marvel at pictures.

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We certainly try. That was actually the worst part about the rain is it kept us stuck inside for a couple days, which is not good for us. You know what we are going to have this year, Trevor, and you've got access to a couple cool places is there's going to be a hell of a super bloom this spring. That's what I keep hearing. Yes. We drove out. I think it was in right in COVID when that first started in 2020 because it was the only thing we could do. But yeah, we should have a lot to look forward to. Awesome. A lot of allergies. Yeah. Well, you know, it's funny because I have terrible allergies out here on the East.

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But I went to Seattle, which is just like super green everywhere. And no allergies. It's like whatever it is out there. There's a lot of it, but I'm not allergic to it. So I don't know. The things that are bugging you. Yeah, that's nice. Yeah. So I wanted to congratulate you on getting the vinyl version of Antimony funded just a few days ago, fully funded. I can't wait to get that. It's very exciting. I've spent most of my afternoon doing the layouts for the LP.

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and remembering how poor my Photoshop skills are.

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I thought I'd rather just slow.

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But yeah, no, that was super exciting.

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We were really bummed when the label opted not to do the vinyl.

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But yeah, luckily enough people wanted it.

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So really excited that we actually funded that.

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What label was it on? Tell us.

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Transcending Obscurity.

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We were awesome.

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Otherwise, it's, you know, there are reasons out of our control and I'm not angry about it.

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But yeah, that's who we're with for this record.

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So this is your first album with Transcending Obscurity.

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How did you get hooked up with those guys?

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Yeah, it's funny. I actually started talking to Knal all the way back when Nine Plagues came out, which I think is like, I don't know if that was the first or second time I came on with you guys, but like 2015-ish. Yeah, sounds right. And that's how I met actually because his website had done a review of it and I started talking to him through that. But we talked about working together a number of times over the years that just never really happened. Either he had too much going on or we didn't have an album ready or whatever. So it finally came together.

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Signed to Transcending Obscurity. Record was supposed to come out in early 2020. COVID hit, and now the record is coming out in 2023. So here we go. I felt like I heard this years ago, and I thought it was already out. And when I saw the press release for this, I was like, what? I already have this. And I went and I looked at my collection. I was like, I don't have it. Huh. Because I know that like over a year ago, I had a picture of the album cover that I printed out as a sticker.

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because I was going to put it on one of my guitars that I'm stickering.

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And so I was very familiar with the artwork. I'm like, I know I must have this.

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And I don't know. I don't know. Maybe you let me hear something. And I thought it came out, but it didn't. So I'm glad it's finally seen the light of day.

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Finally. Yeah, I'm very excited to finally get it out just because it's been such a long time. So that was a bummer. But yeah, they've done a great job. CDs look great. Tons of merch, more merch than I can ever imagine. Shorts.

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I know it's like they can't do vinyl but they will put your image on just about

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everything else everything everything custom crocs which I'm bummed about but otherwise

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everything else yeah it's kind of crazy though Trevor because you wrote those songs so long ago is it

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weird for you to have it finally come out because you I'm sure you've moved on to do other songs

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it is and it's kind of funny because the same thing happened with that horia uh if you recall that one

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I wrote and recorded, had a record deal, fell through, found another label, then that got delayed for a year and COVID there too. So like my new trend is like I write, record these things, then four years later they come out, by which time I've completely moved on. And like, so yeah, it's a little bit strange. It's kind of nice in a way because I get to go back and revisit it because I don't listen to my own stuff really ever. So it's like, oh, this is all right. You know, mostly some things I'm like, well, I would have never done that now. But so yeah,

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Yeah, it's a little bit weird. So like, as I'm working on projects now, I'm like, okay, is this going to come out next year? Is this going to come out when like I'm 55? I don't know. You have to anticipate the trends. You have the benefit of being an artist who's actually nostalgic before the album is released. Like you're a nostalgic artist at this point. Not to mention, just keep cranking them up. And then that way, when God forbid you die, you can put out as many records as Hendrix has, you know, I mean. Right. I'll just have this huge backlog, like two

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I think maybe we should just avoid like everyone you know they put out the album then there's like the tour edition there's the remaster and box set we're just going to go right to the box set with bonus tracks remastered four times by different people every day well I saw an article I think it was a Rolling Stone article about people re-recording their stuff and how that used to be a bad thing and now it's cool so at some point you can just go back and re-record the first album if you don't have any ideas and you want to release something well with the length it takes to get them out I can just re-record

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the same album.

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Like, do it once.

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Have it ready for release.

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By the time it comes out, we'll have the re-recorded version also ready.

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Yeah.

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It'll be like a month apart.

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There you go.

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Yeah, but make sure it's the fifth anniversary edition.

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I was about to say.

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Maybe the 25th anniversary version.

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It'll have different artwork and all that stuff.

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Yeah, exactly.

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You know, I was just reading today, Peter Gabriel has a new album coming out, and he's releasing

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singles with two different, I don't know, like engineers or something.

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And there's the bright mix and the dark mix. And he's releasing both versions of these songs so that people can hear the difference between the two producers or whatever. Anyway, I just thought, made me think of that. That's what having a lot of money gets you. I'd love to have two famous producers do their own take on our record release, some side by side. Yeah, he's supposed to. We've only made like a million on this album, which is not quite enough. Hey, Trevor, I will volunteer.

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to produce your next Ashton Horde record, by the way. All right. Don't let him. He's going to change it. You'll never guess what it is. There's only one demand. I honestly am so afraid. Trevor, I'll do the other production. I'll give you a hint. Every time you sing clean, there's just going to be instrumental underneath. That means you're going to have the children singing. By the way, that's not an insult to your particular clean singing.

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It's just all clean singing. It's all clean singing. Though, if you'll recall, Will specifically did not hate the clean singing on the Abhoria record as much. It wasn't that clean. Because it wasn't me. Well, that's true. That is true. Well, so there's three songs on this album that have clean singing. I think there's actually four. One is layered with Stevie's vocals, though. Okay, I must have missed that. And, you know, of course, while listening to that, I'm thinking, well, he's just thumbing his nose at Will here.

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But they are, they're not like, they're layered a little deeper in the mix, so it's not as in your face. So I was wondering, maybe, you know, that might appease Will. That's true. I did. So I listened, I got three songs in until I found three or two and a half songs in, and halfway through the third song, I heard some. I was even messaging Jordan, like, all right, first two songs, no clean singing.

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It's the will effect. Yes. And I said, well. But I did notice that it wasn't as, it wasn't as melodic. Okay. Yeah. Well, it's not that it wasn't melodic. I thought it was melodic. Well, it's not, you know. It doesn't, it doesn't, I think what you may be getting at is like it doesn't impact the, the, the flow of the song as much as going like a drastic. Yeah.

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It's harsh to clean change. It maybe flows a little smoother than the things that bother you. I think that's true for the album, though. Everything's integrated a lot better. I mean, I like the other albums, but I think the new one is able to take all those different elements and put it together as a more cohesive whole to me. I like that part of it. That's awesome. Well, that means a lot to me because that's kind of always been the goal. I like to make them kind of varied, but I'd love to have it be more fluid. So if it sounds like that, then yeah, sweet. Personally, I want...

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More Trevor. I gotta have more cowbell. I gotta have more Trevor. More vocals? Because they're all my guitars. No, no, no. I mean, more clean vocals. Higher up in the mix. You know. Just say, fuck you, Will, and just more. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hey. One of these days, I'm going to do an alternate version of the whole thing with just cleans across the board, and that'll be the one Will gets. No one else will get that. I would be honored. I would be honored.

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Don't overlook two words. Youth choir. There's still time. Hey, you never know. I know there's got to be a lot of good choir out in LA. I'm adamantly against saxophone and metal, but youth choir might be my weird thing I get into. Even if they're like 18 or 19. Younger than me. Exactly. Is Castrati still legal anywhere in the world? I don't know. Not at Will's house, that's for sure.

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something like extreme that's the way to go so is what legal castrati that's where they

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snip them so they have the high voices i don't know i like the new cash trader album yeah

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that takes me back to man uh well i mean obviously game of thrones there was uh but that wasn't for

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singing but there was like an ann rice thing where somebody did that anyway um so i looked up antimony

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and found that it's a metallic chemical element. How does that apply to this album? Does it? It does. No, there's actually meaning there. So the whole album is a concept as have our previous albums been. I read a book a few years back. Well, now it's probably like 15 years ago, given how long it's been. But about he was a lawyer in Victorian England named Charles Bravo, and he died from antimony poisoning. And it is one of these like historical

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historical unsolved mysteries where he had a lot of enemies he did a lot of weird things and they never figured out who actually poisoned him and killed him so i thought that was kind of fascinating and like okay we could actually do a record about this guy um and so that's how it started so antimony that's where the name comes from and as the record starts the first song throws of agony is him in he's dying he's been poisoned he realizes what's happening and starts kind of wondering like who would do this to me what have i done why is this happening

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And then the subsequent six songs look at people in his life, kind of talking about what's their relationship with him from their point of view, and why would they ultimately have wanted to kill him. So it was fun. Stevie and I had a good time. We kind of divided up the lyrics and like, tried to get in the heads of these people and think of like, based on the relationship, why would they have wanted to murder him? So that's interesting, because I noticed that all but the first and last songs began with the, and that made me think of like a tarot deck.

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And, uh, but it's actually more like clue.

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It's like clue. Exactly. It's a little silly. I was like, if we promote it as a murder mystery, it sounds really pokey, but yeah. And that's like summoning is the opening instrumental. That was kind of a play on like a jury summons. And then animus Nesindi is a court term as well. And that's basically, here's all the evidence who did it and kind of looking at it from beyond the grave. So it was fun and it, you know, gave us something different to write about.

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That's cool. Very cool. Are you going to play live, Trevor? It comes up all the time. I don't know. See, the problem is we're all spread out. So Robin's in Australia. Igor's in Colorado. Stevie lives in Nashville. Plus, Stevie's on tour a lot. Robin, Igor, and Stevie, what do they do in the band? For the rest of the listeners who aren't as familiar as we are. Yes, sorry. That helps. So Robin is our drummer. Robin Stone, he's a very well-known session drummer who lives in Australia.

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He's amazing. Igor Panasiewicz, I think that's correct. I hate saying it out loud because I always get it wrong. He's our bass player. He actually plays with me in Abhoria as well. He's in Colorado. And then Stevie Boiser is our vocalist. Has been for the last two records and some EPs. He lives in Nashville. And he's busy. He's on tour with Inferi a lot of the time. He also just had a baby, so he's busy with that right now. So I would love to. I don't know what the realistic scenario is.

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I think actually putting together a tour would be hard but my dream would be to like play a Euro

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festival if we could make that happen uh that would be like an excuse to fly Robin out get

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everyone in one place right so maybe maybe someday that'd be amazing so obviously you and Stevie were on the last album were either of the other guys on the album or is this their first just the two of us yep so how was it working with two new guys on this record it was good it was a different experience though I had been using programmed

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for so long that it was really interesting bringing an actual human into the mix. So I still had very detailed demos. Like, I didn't, you know, worry about all the fills and everything that I had in the previous records, but I'd still mapped everything out and had the demos for him. But he didn't always hear things exactly the same. And so he'd send me back what he came up with. And sometimes it would be very different. And I'd be like, Nope, sorry, this is Wade, not what I was hearing. Other times, he'd come back with something that was like super cool.

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And like on the third song on the consort, I think that's third. Yep. The original drum pattern was completely different. He came back with this like old school thrash beat that was not at all what I'd heard in my head. But then after I listened to a few times, I'm like, Oh, man, this is cool. And so to like rework the song, and there were actually other parts of songs that I changed to mimic what he had played on the drum. So in a way, we did collaborate. So that was interesting. And then bass wise, I just ego is great. He did such a good job with that.

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I'm going to outsource the bass duties on this record and see what he comes up with.

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It's also the first record that I didn't mix, so that was new for me too.

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At least for Ashen Horde, I had someone else mix it.

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Some of it was just time.

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I'm like, I'm going to let other people handle things that are better at these things.

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You're like, I'm a rock star now.

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I got all these bands, they're all on rare labels.

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I ain't got nothing with this.

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It's good that you let go.

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It's good that you let go a little bit and let other people, invite other people into the

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Yeah. And part of it too is like, A, I think live drums do sound better. Even well-programmed drums on albums I love, like live drums are just cooler. Yeah. I really wanted to get to that. So how did, how did you work that? Like you had, as you said, you demoed it. So you with probably with, you know, the, the, the program drums. Did you then give that to Robin and he, did he, you know, play to that and record it?

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Or did he, based on what he heard, do drums, give that back, and then you put guitars and everything on top of it? Because usually most people start with the drums and then layer on top of it. So how did it work for you guys? Yeah, so it was like that. So I would do a demo with, you know, not perfect guitars, just kind of cut and pasted to make sure everything was in the right place and played cleanly enough that it wouldn't throw them off over the program version. Send him that, and then just a version with just a click and me playing guitar.

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And so I think he did listen to the demos because in some cases you could tell he did similar things to what I came up with but in some cases I think he just listened to it's like you know what I'm hearing something completely different here I'll do it I'll send it if you like it great and if you don't fine too he's really cool about that no ego like I was always afraid to come back and be like man what you did is cool but it is completely not what I heard from this song can you please more like the demo every time he's like yeah yeah no problem yeah I know like Trevor do all these guys

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Since you guys are all in four different places, does everyone go into a professional studio and record and then send it to you? Or is this all at-home stuff? It's all, well, it depends. So for me and Stevie, it's at home. Robin's actually got a really cool setup. He lives kind of out in the boonies in Australia, basically in farmland. He actually buried a giant container, one of those big things, in his yard.

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One of those big things. Underground. In an underground container. That's awesome. I think it's like the coolest metal thing ever. Do you live in South Central Australia? He's got a drum bunker. New South Wales. I'm not super familiar with like my drum. New South Wales is it's like where Sydney is. Okay. Yeah. So it's a little more populated. Like 50 kilometers from Sydney maybe ish.

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Okay, yeah. So if you know Mad Max 3, with all the crazy underground stuff, that was all filmed in Cooper Pedy, which is South Central Australia. It's all the opal mines there. Oh, okay. So it would be very easy to... Welcome to the Mad Max podcast. I mean, I thought that was an L.A. joke, Will. I'm sorry, what? I thought that was a joke about L.A. No, no, no. So anyway, so that, and then Igor,

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I don't actually remember who where he recorded bass for this record I can tell you though for the

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second Abhoria record that we just finished he recorded with Nick Shins his bass player from Sepholic Carnage and uh

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I think Job for a Cowboys that was the place for anyway he he recorded with him at his studio so

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whatever happened to Jobs I know do they still exist about this like I don't know I have no idea I used to like them and

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I think they do still exist and um

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The reason I think that is that whenever their drummer has filled in on, he's played with Behemoth a lot, and they always still refer to him as the drummer in that band. Not formerly or something. Yeah, formerly. I think I read that they're working on a new record, actually. Oh, there you go. They had one, was it called Gloom or something? It was a little bit darker. I kind of liked it. That sounds right.

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The final song on an EP or something was very death-doomy. It was phenomenal. Was it just the Peter Gabriel dark mix, though? I just looked it up in Job for the Cowboy three weeks ago. It was news that they are finishing up the recording for their first album since 2014. Wow. I must have read this. Jesus. Yep. It's crazy how time passes

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and there's no new album like uh this will come up later but uh i was reading that

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their anthrax are working on a new album their first one since 2016 i'm like how did it get to be

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seven years god barla kings was 2016 yeah it feels new to me yeah me too i'm like god that's almost as

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old as the podcast i thought it was a couple years old yeah no 2016 god seven years that's wild

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Yeah. Okay. Wow. I feel ancient now. I know. Look, I'm even supporting today. Hey, there you go. I'm actually going to see them here pretty soon. They're with Exodus on a few dates. Oh, yeah. Nice. Exodus is coming out of a new album. Are they? I know Testament was supposed to. I didn't know about it. By the way, For All Kings was great, so I'm looking for it. It was good. Yeah, I agreed. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah, I hated that one. I remember that you hated it. Was it too?

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For All Kings sucked. No, it didn't. I thought it was just like this great big celebration of metal in general, you know. Both of their comeback albums with Joey were awesome. I agree. Will, isn't it time for you to watch football? Get off my lawn! Oh my gosh. Hey Trevor, can you talk about the album art? Because I remember when you came to Hawaii, you had showed

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me that was a while ago. And it's a really cool image. Yeah. So that Nick Sundin did that here. You guys may know from Dark Tranquility is their guitar player for most of their career left a few years ago. So I'd actually hit him up a while back for the infamous prog metal record. I think I mentioned every time I've been on this thing, but it's still not finished. It's like literally done minus the vocals. But I'd hit him up because I really love the artwork he'd done for,

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I just loved his dad on the Mitochondrial Son album.

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And so I hit him up to do the artwork for that record.

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I loved what he came up with.

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So we had a different cover for this Ashen Horde album that ultimately didn't work out.

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I'm not going to go into detail.

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I don't want to shame anyone, but it was not right.

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I'm sorry.

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I tried.

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You tried.

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Crayons were not the right medium.

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I mean, stick figures of dicks.

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It does not really work for Ash and Horan. Hey, he didn't give me enough direction. What are you going to say? It's funny, Trevor. So I had to make up and was like, and of course, this is when we thought the album was going to be coming out, like soon after we'd recorded it. And he was able to put it together really quick. So I don't know his whole process, but just kind of describe the album to him. And so what he told me is that image of those two figures was basically what he pictured of a guy who is dying in the Victorian era and seeing these two people

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people standing over him as he dies, kind of watching him do it, him thinking like, oh, God, what have you done? So I thought it worked out. What have thou wrought? I assume that every Victorian death took place more or less like that, by the way. Right. Somebody looming in the corner looking down at you. That's just what it was like. I don't know. Yeah, I was thinking Mercury, too. I was like, what? Anyway, so back to this prog metal album that only needs vocals.

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I would assume that these vocals would be done by you. So what's the holdup? Well, see, then it will wouldn't want to listen to it. And that is the sole reason. Do I have, I am not doing the lane again. The will is the holdup. He is the holdup. Um, honestly with this one, I mean, I don't, I don't think I'm a great singer. I think I'm fine. I think it works for this, but for what I wanted on this record, I do not have the chops to do it right. So I wanted to get someone that did. So that that's the reason I,

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So you're waiting for Devin to come along? On record, again, my disdain sometimes for clean vocals is when you have this phenomenal first two Ashen Horde songs, which are like, yes! Or you hear like six songs in Abhoria, and you're like, yes! Phenomenal! I love it! I love it! And then it gets this break, and you're like, why did they do that? So if it was clean vocals all the time? The whole album is like that, that's fine. Okay, so it's all or nothing.

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That's it. All or nothing. You don't like the black and white cookie, do you? No. No, fuck it. Why would you want that? Because you're a little black, a little bit of white, a little ebony, a little bit of ivory. That doesn't actually work for Will because he likes albums that have mixes. I mean, Camas has a mix of vocals and he loves Camas. But I would say it's mostly clean singing with a little bit of harsh. But it can't go the other way. You can't go the other way.

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It's all about me, Trevor. All right. Either yin or yang. I'm looking forward to this, the Prague metal album. I am, too. I'm really, really excited for it. So, unfortunately, the vocalist I'm working with, I mentioned last time, he is great. He just had a really shitty year, honestly, between family emergencies and some COVID long health stuff and everything. So, I just talked to him the other day, and I think we're going to try to knock it out here sooner than later. Nice.

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for that record to finally happen. So what style of

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prog vocals are you looking for? Are you looking for like a Matt Barlow kind of thing?

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You're looking, like, what do you...

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I mean, I don't know. Clean with more range.

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So he's the... I mentioned last time he sang for this band called Animal Bag back in the 90s.

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Right. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Oh, yeah.

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So if you check them out, it's that style.

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He just has some more melodic and a lot more than I can do.

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So I don't want to like operatic, nothing like that.

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Still kind of harder edged, but...

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Yeah, yeah.

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I want a lot of yes yeah yeah but I bet he'll put a hard edge because he actually sings for a Motorhead cover band too so oh there you go Motorhead cover band really is uh are they like in a in a like battle of the bands with uh Abbott oh god yeah I know I was gonna say it's actually funny so he's in one in North Carolina called killed by death my buddy Justin

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just started one in Colorado. It seems like a motorhead trivia fans like the thing to do now. They need to have a convention for motorhead cover bands. Yeah, right? Only one can survive though. Yeah. The others will be killed by death. What's the status of the thrash and horde album? The thrash and horde record. That really needs a proper name. Yeah. Nothing has happened with it. I had tried to recruit a couple people who were interested and then it just fell off and it is sitting fully demoed with the

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I need a vocalist for the thrash record.

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I don't know who to hit up for that one. All right. You can ask me. It's fine. Okay. Thanks. That was easy. And then we'll mix it for us. Yeah. Yes, I will mix it. And I'll cut all your vocals out. Just to piss off Markisan because we've had this AI conversation. I found an AI lyric generator, AI metal lyric generator. Oh.

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through it like for like an hour or two and just like copied down the ones that i thought were interesting and i want to do some sort of like one-off just like totally raw like grind black whatever fucking thing using these ai generated lyrics that are just fucking stupid there should be one of those for white snake because i feel like that's how they write them anyway and oh my god love has to be in there and also he doesn't know where he's going but he sure knows where he's

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which he frequently reminds us of which well that's because you know he's getting older and he doesn't know he just doesn't know he doesn't know i don't know if you guys saw this but they were they were doing their farewell tour in europe and he got sick and they canceled the whole thing yeah it's too bad everybody lives in tahoe and he's he sold that house he sold that place right yeah yeah i follow david coagdale apparently a little too closely but yeah yeah he hasn't been around

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He's not there, you know where he is. Well, I wanted to picture him in the Godfather house up there, you know. Oh, yeah. Which it was, which that was just for sale recently, by the way. The Godfather house on Tahoe from Godfather 2. All right. Yeah, I've been wondering about his health because, like, he had another vocalist lined up for that two or two, right, to kind of help supplement what he couldn't do. So it felt like. And he got some sort of respiratory, but they referred to it as like an infection. And that was it. And he's done no social media posts.

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or anything, which he was always used to do. So I don't know. I hope he's okay. Yeah, likewise. I just want to recommend a backup vocalist for Don Dockin. Oh my God, yeah. I respect that he doesn't want to quit touring, but holy cow. He's bad. That last live record they put out with the reunion record where they played Under Lock and Key, it actually isn't terrible, but if you listen to the original audio, like the bootleg audio, oh man, he redid everything. Pretty bad.

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Well, I saw him a couple years ago on M3. Sorry, Jay. And, you know, everything was like transposed down a couple steps. You know, it was like they did Dream Wars and it was like, Dream Wars. I want to hit Trevor with some Dokken trivia, which I only know because, well, whatever. It doesn't matter what I know. Don Dokken sing background vocals on an album by a huge metal band.

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because he was going to replace their singer. Yes, that is correct. Who lost his voice. Do you know what record I'm talking about? That is Scorpions. And the record was, now this is what I'm going to remember. It was at a, oh shit. It was between Love Drive and Love It First Sting. I can't remember which one. Blackout. Oh, it was Blackout shit. Yeah, but you got his placement right. Yeah, they had brought him in because that was, Klaus had famously lost his voice. And then, and they told him he'd never sing again too at that point, right?

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Yeah, I had some vocal nodule or something, and he was going to be the guy, which that record would have been an older record, but he is on there. He sings background vocals currently on there. And then the irony is that Don can't sing anymore, and Klaus sounds the same. Yes, he does. Klaus sounds amazing. I was pleased to see, I think if I remember right, you put Rock Believer on your end of year list, which was on mine. That was great. Yeah, I did too. I loved it. Like, it wasn't like a big groundbreaking anything, but it was solid top to bottom, and I think,

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It was like Alex Skolnick or someone I read when he heard it. He was just like, it made him feel the same way as when he heard those records in the 80s. It was just that same excitement. I'm like, yep, totally agree. And yet there's tons of references where they kind of own up to their own age. Absolutely. Yeah, so that's one of the reasons it worked. It's a little tongue-in-cheek. Yeah, cool. I saw you liked that, and I was like, good man. Did Michael Shaker claim he wrote all the licks to that album?

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He has to figure out how to work Twitter first. Sorry. I've got a couple questions that I meant to insert earlier, and the flow didn't work that way, so I'm sort of looping back to them, even though they don't really fit with the flow. But for those that aren't familiar with Ash and Horde, how would you describe the band and this album to whet their interest in Ash and Horde?

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It's kind of like country pop, I think. Yeah. Like Luke Bryan adjacent. Yeah, totally. Yeah, I know. So Ashenord to me is, I don't know, it's just kind of what I always wanted to do with a extreme metal band, which is basically just write whatever I want to and not really be as concerned with like genre specificity. And so that's what it is. It's I think that gives it kind of a proggy edge.

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But like it's got some death metal bits and some thrash bits and some prog stuff and definitely a black metal core because that's where the original record was a little bit more black metal I think but so yeah I mean to me that's what it is it's kind of the it's the whatever I feel like doing at any moment band and it's a lot of fun I don't know I feel like with Abhoria I try to write a little bit more strictly into the black metal thing but with this it's just whatever and the other thing that's kind of for me makes Ashenord feel a little different from stuff I've

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I've done in the past is, for guitar nerds, but it's the tuning. So I do, I use Open C, which is the thing I stole from Devin Townsend, but I feel like it just, everything you play that way is a little bit different than you would in standard tuning. So I feel like it opens up when I'm writing just different chords, different voicings, different patterns that don't necessarily flow out of me when I'm working on standard tuning guitar. So. Open C? Yeah. It's C-G-C-G-C-E. So can you do like a,

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a bar kind of thing like you would with drop d solid it's all the strings yeah yeah

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because i was like huh and but so you can still do like power cords on the uh the a and d and

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you can yes you can do with those two um and you can like you get kind of used to where the

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placements are if you want to do something like that but that's what i kind of like is it forces me

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not to rely on power cords and stuff i like power because most cases oh i do too they're great um but

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it's easy to fall into that trap because they're easy to play and like you just kind of go there if you're a metal guitar player power chords are a huge part of your life so yeah it's just the way to kind of keep you from doing that all the time well so c c is pretty fucking low on the on the e string is that shit like flapping off or how do you how do you deal with that no no so i've got um so for the two guitars i have that have that tuning i just use these uh heavy top light bottom

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I think it's Ernie Baldwin.

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But yeah.

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Heavy bottom rather.

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Sorry.

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Isn't that your Tinder description?

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Yes.

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What was I saying?

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I know.

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So anyway, they have like the lower strings are much heavier that will support that.

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So they don't get flab.

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And then the high strings are what you'd expect for kind of standard tuning.

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So you get the right feel for them.

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That's nice.

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Yeah.

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Like if I try to do something Sabbath and C sharp, I'm like, good Lord.

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It's so low! And C, that's even lower, so that's crazy. So there you go. So that's it. In my mind, it's Ashen Horde is the... It's my free metal thing. It's just whatever I think works. People like it, cool, but... That's cool, because whenever I go that low, I have a problem with things getting really muddy, and as everybody knows, I don't like muddy. And so to be able to go that low and keep it nice and crisp and

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Whatnot. That's pretty cool. But, you know. By the way, can we isolate that? You're like, I don't want to go too low. Sometimes it gets too muddy. Like, can we just isolate that, by the way, and use it for a sound? No. Thank you. Only when you say stupid shit, not me. So, Ash and Horde, I guess, that's your main band. That's the band you're always going to do music for. Trevor, would that be true? That sounds true, yes. That one, like, yeah. That's kind of the core.

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of everything. All the other stuff I love equally, but yeah, Ashenhold's my go-to. I mean, I'm already working on the next one and have ideas for the one after that. So that's kind of the center of my universe when I'm writing and stuff. Is that a 2027 release? If, then God, I hope so. But that's only the next one, not the second to next one. I know, right? Yeah. I remember reviewing, I don't know if it's the first album or what, but like a million years ago.

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It feels like before we'd ever spoken or anything, we emailed and like I did written reviews and you're like one of the people that goes the farthest back in my experience doing this kind of stuff. And I'm extremely happy that you're still here to, well, you're still here, that I'm still here to make this journey with you. It's kind of crazy because this is a

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This is actually the 10th anniversary. That first album came out in 2013. It just kind of blows my mind. Admittedly, I would have had more than four albums out in that amount of time, I think had things gone the way I hoped for. It's just cool. I'm really fortunate that people give a shit enough for me to keep doing it. I thought that that would be the stop. I'd probably still put out records for myself. It's fun. I still have the same passion and interest in doing it as when I started it. I was wondering,

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What does your wife think about the fact that you're this guy that does all this heavy metal stuff? I mean, you know, obviously we see all the crazy things, not crazy things, but all the multitude of things that you guys do on Facebook that you're always active doing things. So I'm sure she takes that in stride, but I'm just curious what her thoughts are on her husband being this metal guy that does all this metal stuff. Before you say anything, I just want you to know, George, I thought you were going to say, I'm kind of been wondering, what is your wife's

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think of me.

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Oh,

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I'm sure she has no idea I exist.

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I'll save that for when we're not recording.

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I don't want to.

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But in any case,

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I stepped on your answer,

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Trevor,

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please.

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No,

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no,

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it's all good.

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Um,

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so yeah,

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I mean,

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I'll tell you,

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so we've been together for a bazillion years.

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We started dating God back in 1998.

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So,

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uh,

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her first exposure to me was my band in high school.

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We had opened the garage in my parents' garage and set up our

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our gear and all the people just stood out in our cul-de-sac and watched us played and amazingly no neighbors called the cops or anything but a friend of hers had dragged her along she was like a friend of hers who was friends with my brother one of these things and brought her along she had no idea what death metal was barely probably any idea of what metal was in general she was like a pop broadway person um came on so her first exposure to me was as weird death metal guy uh and admittedly it took me like six months to convince her

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to come around again.

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But it works.

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So that's always been part of our life.

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She's not a metal fan at all.

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Yeah, admittedly.

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And that's fine.

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But she's also super supportive.

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And I think the thing that makes me the coolest thing she ever does is in random

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situations, someone will be like, oh, I don't like that crap.

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It's just noise.

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It's blah, blah.

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It's not music.

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She will fight to the D like, you have no idea the level of skill it takes to make

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music like this and blah blah and defend it to the teeth so that part i think is amazing um and she always talks me up when she's you know oh my husband's in a metal band and blah blah so it's really cool that's awesome that's and she wears the shirts she wears the abhoria shirt and stuff around and so even though she doesn't love at least she wears the right one by the way by the way did you see again trevor who had abhoria the highest on a year-end list that's right that is true

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Speaking of which, I got a bone to pick with the rest of y'all. Hey, I was, I had it on there. It was like number 25 or something. I would rather you be honest. It's probably around 17, I'm guessing. It would have been really weird. Like, sure. I was a fan of the album. I was involved in it and I was proud of it. But if you'd all been like, this is the best album. I'd be like, no, there's something weird going on. Exactly. If I put you at 17, I mean 17. Yeah. It is hard.

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sometimes though,

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because,

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you know,

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we love you,

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you know,

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but you gotta be honest.

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I mean,

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you know,

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what are the ones that you love the most?

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Absolutely.

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And I respect that way more.

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It's kind of one of those weird,

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I don't know,

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catch 22 is the right term,

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but like when you're playing music like this for your friends that are into it and they're like,

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oh,

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it's great.

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And it's like,

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but are you saying that because it's me or because you really like it?

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So it's always like,

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it's not to say that your close friends opinions don't matter,

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but it's different because there's that awkwardness of being like,

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Oh, yeah. They're not going to say that they hate it. Yeah. I will 100% admit that I, and I've said this many times in the podcast, that I am influenced by bands and albums if I know the people who made them, if I personally know them or had a very good personal interaction or something like that, and it does influence me. Well, yeah, but it's because you're, I mean, for me anyway, I'm more likely to listen to it more. Right. You know?

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So if I listen to it more, then it's going to be sticking in my mind. And, you know, if it's a friend and it sucks, I'm not going to listen to it more and it's not going to do anything. So. Oh yeah. I've definitely had friends who made albums that suck. And, but you know, you make a half decent one, I mean, it's going to catch my attention. Yeah. And it's really good. And the guy's handsome. They're like, yeah, I'm going to rate it higher than everyone else on this podcast, by the way. Right. So wait, so wait,

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Wait a sec. You're also saying beyond the clean vocals you don't love that I'm not quite handsome enough to get it to the top of the list. So that hurts more than you not liking the music. My number one album was Behemoth for two reasons. One. Oh, so you're like a Nurgle. He likes children singing. I like them. I like them. I like them. I like them. I like them. I like them. I like them. I like them

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But the fact that he killed all the children that sang on the previous album, I mean, that gave me, that's huge points in my book. Huge points. Wow. What you need to do on the next one, Trevor, is the album cover has to be Into Glory Ride. I'm talking loincloths. Okay. You know, just loincloths. If that. Well, you know what? I can ask if Transcending Obscurity will make some for me with all the other merch. Yeah, there you go. Branded loincloths, yeah.

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And you just on the cover going. I got a great idea. Can the six of us get in loincloths and pose and be on the album cover? I'm going to stop this right now. We're not going to put you through that. I was going to say, if it actually happens, we will do a limited edition slipcover metalheads podcast variant. We're just going to put, you know, all we're going to be wearing is like chili pepper socks.

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Except for Will. They're going to be like baby booties. You know, the little baby socks. Nobody on this podcast will even buy that. I was going to say the six of us will fund it. Are you kidding me? I'll be doing like my Jack Black, like, you know, Nacho Libre kind of thing going on. Trevor's wife will buy it though. That's right. Because George is on it. And we now know the answer.

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Now she feels about you. Exactly. Tell her wink wink nudge nudge. I'm 50% Polish so I hope that plays into it. There you go. Was that where the nose came from? What is POR? It's German. It's German? Yeah. Yeah. Are you drinking beer Trevor? I don't know how popular it is there but yeah. Trevor doesn't drink. There are a lot of PORs.

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If you look them up, and they're all in. Oh, that's right. I forgot. You don't drink beer. I forgot. Oh, no, I do not. Yeah. Sorry. Do you drink green tea like Jay? I do. Actually, I drink a lot of black tea lately. I'm so such a nerd old guy now that I drink unsweetened black tea. It's like the saddest drink on earth, but that's what I drink. Oh, well, I drink it iced. I drink a lot of iced tea, man. I don't know why, but that's my good stuff. The only thing sadder than black coffee is unsweetened black tea.

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And I'm a black coffee guy.

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I don't know.

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There's nothing to say about black coffee.

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That's the shit, man.

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Yeah.

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To me, it's like, it's like, it's super bitter like a beer.

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That's how I justify, you know, it's my morning beer, but not.

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Anywho, it's probably a little bit out of order, but it's almost a two-parter, Trevor.

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I'm just wondering, I mean, clearly you were writing a ton of music.

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So like at what point in the day do you find, do you have like a time of day you like writing? Is that part of like your normal flow of like, hey, I get up, I have my black green tea and I write black metal or is it end of day? Especially considering like, I mean, clearly on the weekends you spend your time roaming California and maybe, maybe it works into that. Secondly, you're writing for multiple entities. Do you find yourself saying, I'm going to schedule time to write

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for Ebboria and today and tomorrow I'm going to schedule time for Ashen Hort or is it just kind of like well you start you know you pick up the guitar start strumming and then you think this is for this band yeah yeah that's a great question so I think I have a couple phases so I will say that I this is going to sound weird I feel like I'm kind of always writing because a lot of time like whether I'm at work or out and about or whatever especially if I've got so I keep like snippets riffs things and stuff on my phone so when I'm out and about

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I can just play through the riffs. And then one will get kind of stuck in my head.

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And then when I'm out and about, I will expand on it, get it stuck in there, run around, add things to it, come in and then kind of put them down. So that happens a lot. Like just last week, I was in Tulsa for a funeral. It's not the ideal reason to be there, but I'd gotten one of my new riffs stuck in my brain the whole time. So by the time I got home, the whole song was written. So I just sat down, pulled it, you know, put all the rest of the parts down on the deck.

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demo and kind of baked it like that. So that's a common way for me to write.

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So not to interrupt you, but so as you've been writing for years and years, has that process then become more simple in the sense of like, hey, I can be out with snippets. And by the time I get home, it's already done.

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Sometimes. And then there are other times where I'll have a snippet that I think is awesome. And I just can't figure out what comes next. So I have 20 seconds of music. Yeah. And it'll take three years to come up with whatever the thing is that goes after that. So it really depends.

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And then so when I like I have to I have to be structured right I have a full-time job but like you said we have activities around all the time so when I do have time when I come into the studio I have to be very focused what is today am I recording am I just practicing and learning stuff or is it a writing night and come in and kind of do that so and it shifts like when earlier like late last year other I was like I need to finish writing the third abhorreo album because I want to be done with it

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I had bits and pieces around. So third, I know. So I committed for like a month. Every night for a month, I would work on just writing the Abhoria record. Finished that, pushed it off. Now I'm jumped back into Ash and Horde land and in recording the one I'd written before I did that one. So just to be clear, there is no second Abhoria record yet. It is with the label. We shot a video and we're just waiting for a release date on that. But anyway, so

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So it's yeah and that's I have one thing I will say though is wait wait wait are you serious about that 100% dude awesome yeah yeah record is done literally in the hands of prosthetic and we're just waiting on release day and last month we shot a video in Colorado for the oh that's the one where you were calling for people to come in yeah yeah I wish I was there for our video we did get some and it turned out like it was amazing but uh sweet were you were you a black metal band lost

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in a forest in the snow? We weren't lost. We were, but we were in the snow in the forest, but we knew where we were. It was the people in the storyline part that were a little more lost than we were. Fins, yeah. So I just wanted to, you were mentioning about putting things on your phone. I just wanted to do a PSA from Kirk Hammett that if you put things on your phone, you might lose them. Oh, did he lose like his entire thing?

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Yeah. And they're in my iTunes library. So we're okay. All right. Excellent. Just wanted to be sure. Luckily, I don't think I have like a celebrity stalkers that are anxious to keep or like want to steal my songs and go. I don't think anyone's really trying to steal Kirk Emmett's riffs anymore. He might be even safer than the rest of them. I think you're right. They were just, they were just stealing a phone. Oh man. I think somebody did a, a, a, like a,

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public service by like Kirk. Fuck. You know, all this crap off your phone. So it can never be. Well, what's funny is that he doesn't even write anything. It's all fucking Hetfield. You know, he just gets to do his wah-wah solos. And that's, you know, it's not like he's writing songs. So, so, so. Actually, though, though, that EP put out, was it last year? Oh, I love that. Actually. Cool. That was very cool. That's true. That's true. That was really cool. I was thinking the solos for the Unforgiven six and seven, but you know, okay.

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Was that one was stolen? Probably. All right. So any other questions? I mean, I have a very important question because we have to be prepared for this. What are you and Alicia doing tomorrow? Okay. You ask as if we don't have something planned, but we do. We actually, as part of what she wanted for Christmas was professional photos of the two of us taken. So we're going to

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Downtown LA, professional photographer that she got in contact with to take like, not like, you know, these classic formal headshots, but like us out and about in the city, but just to have some like really cool photos while we're still young and don't look like horrible. So yes, that is tomorrow's plan. Matt knows about those. Go do that tomorrow. Sure. Nice. Well, feel free to send them to us. Okay. I will. Maybe frame them. Yeah. So my

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The final question of the interview is, what's next for you? What band? What album? What's coming up next? You've got so much on your plate. What are you doing? Yeah, so admittedly, the universe seems to have plans on when things happen, but like I said, new Arboria records turned in. So, well, I guess I'd take a step back. New Ashenord record comes out on the next week. Yes. A week. So that's the first big one. I'm psyched to finally get that out.

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Then, I guess for me, it's recording. I'm about halfway through recording the guitars for the fifth Ashen Horde record. Robin did all the drums, working on the guitars now. The Abhoria record's turned in, so we're just waiting on an announcement about when that one's going to happen. And then, yeah, hopefully get the vocals done for the Prog album. So a lot on my plate. And then Markison mentioned the Thrash record. I was actually thinking that might be what I'll record.

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after I finished this Ashen Horde thing. There's also, in addition to the new Ashen Horde record, being our 10th anniversary, I'm working on a little EP to kind of celebrate 10 years of Ashen Horde. So that'll all happen at once. So I don't know. Plenty to keep me busy, that's for sure. Yeah. We're coming up on the... And we have horny shows hopefully in the fall we're trying to put together too. Awesome. Yeah, we're coming up on the 9th anniversary of the podcast. And I'm trying to figure... I was thinking the other day, I'm like, what are we going to do for our 10th?

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We got to do something special. Something. Yeah. I don't know what. Loincloths. No, no, that's definitely a ninth kind of thing. Loincloths. Out on cover. I don't know. We'll figure it out. But yeah, that's awesome. I think so. I think I may have even said this at an earlier day, but I think you guys need to put together like a compilation of all your, all the bands that have been on this thing. It'd be a matter of you get like a, you know, an exclusive song, but like that would be really cool to have like a,

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You know,

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you know,

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metalhead podcast,

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10 years of bands that would be cool.

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Yeah.

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We could put out an autumn vinyl and,

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uh,

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you know,

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there was a point where I was like,

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we should put together something on vinyl just for the fuck of it to have something on vinyl.

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Um,

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but no,

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maybe like a live aid song where you get all the bands to come together and sing.

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That was,

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yes.

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We all the world.

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We can probably put together a box collection of dick jokes on vinyl.

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That would be good. And also any sales would go to benefit us in some way, shape, or form. And that wouldn't be Metalheads. That would just be Will Cook. Solo album. I'll just make a obvious, yeah, for like nine years, ten years worth of stuff, I'll just go through and take all the little tidbit clips that I've made and just string them all together for like an hour's worth and put that on vinyl. You did that. You did that. At the end of an episode. I did.

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and it was hysterical.

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Yeah, I could do that again.

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Because, yeah, they were, it was like telling a story with clips from various episodes of, I mean, it's mostly dick jokes, but.

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It would be funny to use a lot of those on a vinyl album, all our clips as bumpers between songs.

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I was just thinking that, John.

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Oh, that would be cool.

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Like, get like bands to be like, all right, yeah, we'll contribute this song to it.

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And then in between, there'll be like some commentary and then the song.

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but try to match the commentary to this song. Cause I really want to hear Markisan saying, man, check out that fucking rainbow. They hear that crash and then go right into a song rainbow in the dark. Next time you want to kickstart, like a kickstart reward. If it would be like, Hey, I will put your bumper into my album. If you give me $500, there you go. It'll be like, we're selling ad space. So it's gonna be like eight.

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but like all these commercials in between right or and it'll be like the who sold out sell out you know kind of thing platinum donation uh if you give me a two thousand dollars i won't sing on this album and you're already signing up for this oh my god yeah oh gosh before we move on though that will be i will rate that even higher than the rest of these guys that's right so yeah before we move on though i think for that record you're putting out you do have to call it every dick joke tells the

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A three inch story On the cover like holding a flower or something I don't know Something very sentimental It would be cool to do vinyl And I've already done it myself You know I already have the connections And it's not that hard I got it all set No it's not hard You just gotta have something worth Putting on vinyl I'm sorry Having something worth putting on vinyl Is definitely not the criteria For putting out vinyl Well for

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For people as.

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I don't I don't know the word for this.

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Refined.

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Refined.

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Thank you.

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It has to be something quality or something completely trash.

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One or the other.

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That's true.

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You can do all of my my cover stories.

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Yeah.

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Markisan describes things.

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Part one.

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And then, you know, flip side, Markazine describes things, side two. I like it. All right. So Trevor, we get like what, another hour? Yeah, you got an hour. All right. Let's do t-shirt and beer check for those who partake in t-shirts and beer or one or the other. Trevor, what are you wearing?

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I'm on first all right I've got a classic anthrax persistence of time oh I saw that tour back this was my first anthrax record so it's still my favorite I think that's very good very good and the beer I'm drinking is a my muse organic enhanced water blueberry palm acai nice yeah very high alcohol I'm sure Jay will love that so metal yeah I know right mark us on yes well I

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I'm drinking Surly Darkness.

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Ooh.

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Two.

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This year.

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Delicious.

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We're 22.

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Very good.

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And I'm wearing the greatest shirt I've ever had on this podcast.

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It is a Tim Capello shirt.

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If you don't know who that is, he's the saxophonist from the Lost Boys.

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Oh, yeah.

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Oh.

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Oh, dude.

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That's funny.

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So I just recently, within the last six months, watched Lost Boys with Barb because she'd never seen it. And I took a screen grab of that scene with the saxophone guy when he came up because I was talking with a guy. Yeah, literally that one. Because I was talking about it with a friend at work and I sent him a picture of that exact screenshot.

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And I was like, dude, we're watching it. So that is awesome. Yeah. Dude, like saxophonist. He's a real saxophonist. Yeah. He still looks like that. Yeah, he does. Tina Turner. Well, he well, let me tell you. So the captain got me this shirt. He just randomly came to my house. It's like, I got something for you. Gives me this shirt. And today I put it on. I was like, I haven't worn it yet. I got to wear it in the metalheads podcast. He texts me right before the cast. Have you worn it?

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This poster. No, he texted me a poster. Tim Capello is coming here. He's going to play it solo. It's like, we're getting tickets to this. So, yeah, we're into it. I think I'm going to see what that... I feel like I have a new goal in life now, despite my hatred of all saxophone and metal. Like, you know, Kenny G played on that Imperial Triumphant record. So I feel like I need this guy on our record. I don't know if you can see it. This is the poster.

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Oh, man. Wow. Are you saying Kenny G played on the last Imperial Triumph record? He did. Well, that's why I don't like them. Go check it out. Actually, that would be the only thing to recommend them to me. So April 29th, we're going to go see this guy play, and it says the tagline is a night of pure sax you can't miss. So that'll be after Decibel. So we'll have to sax you up beforehand.

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get you ready. Yeah. And then what's funny too, is I don't like saxophone and metal that much every once in a while, but I'm not, I'm not the guy that's into it. Matt, light him up. All right. Listen to our sister podcast, Sax in the City. Yeah, exactly. All right. Well, I guess it's your turn, Matt. Although Mark's on, you didn't say we were drinking. Oh yeah. Yes, I did. I did Surly Darkness. How do you forget this beer? Beer. Yeah. Okay.

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I will edit that out because I'm dumb. Matt. It's all good. T-shirt is Black Sabbath Volume 4. My kids have resorted to giving me T-shirts for Christmas now and one got me this and the other one got me a chemist shirt. So I feel like that's called good parenting. It is. First beer I drink was a bourbon. It's called Bourbon Barrel Qualified by Taxman Brewing. It is a Belgian style quadruple aged in bourbon

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I just cracked one called Fimble Winter. It is a lager aged in maple bourbon barrels. It's coming in at 19.7%. So this is me signing off. I will see you next month. Did you say Fimble? Fimble Winter. Okay, because my sister's cat, which is a long-haired Norwegian giant enormous cat. His name is Fimble. Nice. Yeah. This is by a white

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They do a few things like this that do have that kind of that Scandinavian look to them. Which I don't remember them because they usually knock me out. Yeah. Speaking of my sister, I just have to announce and give props to my sister. A week and a, no, two weeks ago now, had her third child. First girl, my niece and her Viking name is Sigrun. Nice. So. Congratulations.

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meet her someday because she's in norway i love norway so so much i know

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it's so good but yeah no she has three kids i've only met one of them because

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oh wow that's what uh you know pandemic keeps having babies and they can't travel here we can't

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travel well actually we can travel there but we haven't so um yeah anyway uh from matt to john

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All right. So I'm wearing the coolest shirt with a naked guy on it ever. Until we do. Until we do. So it's my Rush 1976 tour shirt, which is the 2112 tour. I was not there. No, I bought this years later. But very cool. And I'm drinking a beer I have not had in seven years, which is hard to believe. But I just found this today.

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locally, and it is the Arctic. Nice. From Three Floyds. Wow. I don't know that one. Oh, yeah. They put it out every year, but it comes on around now. What is it? John, you want to read it? It's a big, giant Imperial IPA, which is not that big compared to a lot now, but it's tasty. And I can see through it.

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I like that. Yeah, it's good. I got some beers lined up for later. Matt will be happy with them. So he knows what I'm talking about. Excellent. All right, then, Will. I'm not wearing anything metal right now. It's Eagles. I can't wear that right after anything. My T-shirt is actually my Phillies-San Diego Padres divisional round from this last playoff season, and I'm wearing my Eagles hoodie because

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The Eagles are going to play in eight minutes, and I'm about to sign off to watch the game. But I am drinking. I did drink. The one beer I had is the David Lee Raw. David Lee. That's awesome. If you look at the can cover, it's a riff off of the Van Halen 1984 cover, except instead of a baby, it's more of like a baby devil with wings. Instead of a baby angel. And still looks better than the Born Again cover. Yeah. It's true. It does look a lot like it.

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Well, yeah, thanks for the clean singing of clothing. Well, Jesus. Oh, shit. That's awesome. Hey, no. You know, at work the other day, I was wearing my Slayer South of Heaven shirt. I got some looks up for that. And then I, so Looch, the Looch. The Looch. Angelucci, friend of the podcast, dear friend of mine from the Marine Corps, he sent me a gigantic box of,

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Yummy Yummy Beer. So this is from New England Brewing Company up in Connecticut. And he sent me a whole bunch of stuff. And so the stockpile is dwindling down, but that was one of the ones he sent me. So it's very good. Nice. Looch. Is Looch going to be at Decibel? I don't know. By the way, I did buy tickets to Hell in the Harbor. It's kind of like Maryland Death Fest. I know.

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I wanted to. I'm going.

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But they wouldn't let you?

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In the harbor.

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I am wearing my slug.

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Oh.

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This is cold.

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It's the long sleeper.

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What a goody.

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I'm hoping for.

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They might make it into my top five list this week.

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But that would be more of a hope than a.

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Drink.

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Than a anticipation.

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I saw he posted today about.

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Trevor, I am drinking non.

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Fuddled with water. Just good old tap water. Nice. Forget about it. It's Chinatown. Which, by the way, which is all about water, right? Hello? Thank you. Anyway, that's me today. All right. I'm not metal at all today. I'm wearing a Star Wars shirt. Just the Star Wars logo. What? It is black. It is black, at least.

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I started with a Magnify Brewing Fade to Black Quadruple IPA. Metallica themed, if not sanctioned. But this is my first quad IPA. Left Hand Brewing has a Fade to Black beer. They do. You cannot have... I've had it. No, no, you can't have two beers by the exact same name. They will sue each other. I'm surprised Left Hand Brewing

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has not come out and sued the shit out of them. Well, maybe they have, but these guys are in New Jersey, so they're going to break some faces. Can I, as a non-beer guy, ask what's a quad IPA? What does that mean? It's IPA times four. I don't know, Will. All I know is this is the first quad I've had that's an IPA. I was jealous because Matt had one a little while back and I found it. It slows your speech down by a four.

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Most IPAs have somewhere between 6% to 7% alcohol by volume. A double IPA usually is like 8% to 9%. And then a triple IPA is like 9% to 10%. And then a quadruple would be like 10% or 12%. This is 12.4. Bye-bye. It's not an exact like double is 14% and a triple is

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is 21% and a quadruple is 28% or something like that. It's not an exact standard, but the quad usually is, I guess, the Belgian type beers will make quads, doubles, triples, and quads. So somebody at some point decided like, well, we're going to just apply that to American style beers and make doubles, triples, and quads. Yeah, I've had a quad Belgian, but not a quad IPA. Yeah, I love quads.

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So then for my second beer, it is a

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higher than a quad is a glute, by the way.

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Okay.

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Wine. Isn't that a thing?

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Yeah.

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So then for my second beer is Kushwa Brewing.

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I'm not sure where they're.

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I think they're local.

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And it is a another Metallica themed beer called forever trusting as in who we are.

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Because nothing else matters. Hey, George, what do you think of the new Metallica song, by the way? We'll get to that. You liked the first one. We'll get to that. We'll get to it. We'll get to that. It's funny because I bought both of these today and did not realize until I got home that they were both Metallica themed. Yeah. So, yeah. Yeah. All right. Hey, boys, I'm going to log off. But anyway, Trevor, great to see you again. Great talking to you.

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I'm going to do a deep dive into this new Ashen Horde album. Just skip songs three, four, six, and eight. Yep. Just listen to one and two, Will. One, two, five, and seven. One, two, five, and seven. Okay. Honestly, we should make a sticker for the album. This is going to be a parental advisory. I do love you, buddy. You're great.

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I love the rest of you. I'll talk to you guys next time. Take it easy. Bye well. No pillows. All right. And then there were six. So if we were going by the script, this is when John would do his year end stats, but we're going to do this out of order because we have Trevor. Sure. And I'll just slip it up to the top when we want to do it. I'm like, no, you guys got to do what I want to do. Oh, no, no, no. Actually, we do. You know, I mean, you don't want to sit through this.

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Yeah, I mean, you weren't part of it. There's no reason. So we will do it out of order. He wants to hear me anyway. So it's okay. Let's talk about you. I'm so with that. So, you know, it's more work for me, but I'm willing to do that for you, man. Yeah. So appreciate it. All right. So we're going to move from that to the news. So and now the news.

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First up, in case you haven't been on the internet in the last week, Jeff Beck died. What the fuck? I mean, I know, right? So, uh, Jay, John, possibly Trevor, uh, have at it, you know, tell us why this sucks.

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much.

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There was nobody else like him, for one thing. And first of all, he's a cool motherfucker. I mean, I've watched interviews of Jeff Beck where he's just talking about cars, and I was so enthralled with what he was saying. But he was the guy. First of all, he does matter to metal because, you know, like he was a Yardbirds guy, and that's really the Rootsy, Rootsy, Rootsy metal stuff. And if there weren't without the Yardbirds, and honestly, without Jeff Beck, there wouldn't have been a Led Zeppelin. And then so everything stems from there, as you know.

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Now that stated, he was just this endlessly creative, amazingly innovative guitar player who didn't sound like anybody else, who could play with anybody. I don't own all of his records. I think I've probably got about eight Jeff Beck records, and I love them all. And now I'm buying more, too, because he's gone, and of course he's on my mind. But I would say this, for anybody who wants to check him out, I would suggest Wired. That's probably my favorite one.

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But he does have eras where he does completely vastly different things. And so that's kind of into the fusion era. I don't know about you, John. Do you like Wired better than Blow by Blow? Because I kind of do. Well, big surprise. My favorite of the fusion albums is There and Back. His last one. Yeah. Which is the one that is last on most people's list of the three. But I like that one the most, personally. I always thought he should have called it There and Back. Oh!

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He really was a cool, cool fucking guy. And I'm not joking. He is super fun to watch being interviewed. And strangely, I found this interview where he's being interviewed by Alice Cooper a few years ago. It was so interesting. He was talking about his record coming out called Motion and Commotion. I honestly think he's one of the three best rock guitar players ever. And there's an argument to be said he's the best. And he was just a cool fucking guy. I really felt this one personally. I fucking love this.

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I was a huge Jeff Beck guy. I really got into him a few years ago through a guitar teacher of mine. I've been listening to a fucking shit ton of Jeff Beck. When we get to audio listening to, that's what I'm listening to, Jeff Beck right now. You and John really had a lot to say about this, so I wanted to give you guys some time to work this out. I'll add one more thing, and that is that I saw him live on what John, I believe, was referred to as the Grammy Tour, because he won a Grammy for this album.

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called Live at Ronnie Scott's Jazz Club in London. So fucking good. And he came out and did that whole record on this tour. He did a, and he was touring, he toured a lot, but he, I mean, he was also home a lot, but, and it was great. It blew me away. It was, I was just like, it was probably the best guitar player I've ever seen play live. And, um, you know, it's funny. I really, really felt sorry for that, um, tell Wilkenfield for some reason, because I know they were like close and she, I was so waiting to see what she was going to say. She's this kick-ass bass player that looks like she's 12. Yeah.

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So good. Yeah. I mean, I guess I don't know what else to say about it, except for to me, this was like Leonard Cohen or one of the big ones we've lost in the last few years. That means something. And playing. And as far as guitar playing goes, this was like losing a Dio, you know, like as what Dio was to singing, Jeff Beck was to guitar. And he's not everybody's cup of tea, but I love him. I mean, and he, I don't know if you guys have ever heard the Birds of Prey album.

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By Mahavishnu Orchestra. The other night I was just watching him play this, a version of one of the songs from that with John McLaughlin. And he holds his own with John McLaughlin, which says a lot, dude. Because John McLaughlin is not wrong with that fucking guy. But I don't know. I'm sorry. I'm sorry he's gone. This is this one was really, and it was like sudden and unexpected. Yeah. Yeah. Fucking meningitis. I know what it is. I've heard of it.

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But I don't know what the fuck it is. I don't know how to kill them so fast. It ain't good. It's brutal. I will say that it's not. Oh, is it? It just like fucks you up. I mean, obviously. Yeah, we had a friend that went through it back in April. And she survived. But like, her memories are gone. I mean, like, she barely can function, can't hold the job anymore. Like, it does horrible damage to you. Wow. Oh, that's terrible. Well, and he was in the 70s. So maybe it hit him. Yeah.

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He didn't have as much defenses. The only other thing I'll add is that all those guys, all the guys you know, almost all of them, like including modern guitar players like Steve By and stuff, you probably saw their posts and they were all sincere. They were like, fuck, this guy was the fucking best. Yeah. You know, there was so much social media about this. Like everybody from all genres was just like, holy shit. So actually I'll add one more thing too. And I'm sorry to go off at great length, but he, he also didn't give a shit about

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or what people thought of him. He just played what he wanted to play. And he got better and better and better because of it. He was actually kind of having a bit of a renaissance as far as his career goes. Well, since the Ronnie Scott thing, when you say, Jim. Ronnie Scott is just, if you haven't seen it and you want to know what he's about, it's a small club. And his band is just, I mean, Vinny Caluto's on drums on top of it.

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for a little bit and it's just i agree with john if you want to know what he's about get that record and

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that was topping a lot of the lists that i saw i was like what should i listen to and that was

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topping a lot of the lists i like wire better personally but i love that record and and this is not we're also leaving out completely the fact that his first two records are just these like well like first three records are like these blues rock records yeah they're nothing like this kind of the blueprint uh zeppelin stuff early on big time in fact some of like

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songs like you shook me from zeppelin one or on those songs they all covered the same shit and um and for those of you who don't know those records rod stewart sings on um he he kind of brought him to the forefront him and ron wood yeah yeah you know so yeah jake you said the name of the one we should listen to the one you'd recommend uh ronnie scott's perfect i got it man if you want i'll give it to you thank you i got it so yeah and um and then i would also maybe get wired blow by blow and then

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You should go back and listen to like Truth. And Beckola. And Beckola. Those are the first ones. And that's where, that's the Yardbirds-y type stuff. It's not at all like what he became. But it's still him playing kick-ass guitar. I also just learned that Jamie Page was on Bex Bolero, that single I didn't realize. He wrote it. He's got the credit for it, Jay. Actually, I think that was something else I learned in that interview. I'll just say one other thing, and it's this. And it was that in the interview with Alice Cooper, and it was a different interview with

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with Alice Cooper, where he was talking about the Yardbirds, because I don't know if you guys know, but Alice Cooper's band started as a Yardbirds. Like back in the 60s. And they opened for, and the Yardbirds came and played where he lived. I don't know if he was in Phoenix or Detroit at the time, but where he went to high school and he graduated in Phoenix. They opened, well, one second. Sorry about that. They opened,

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And they opened for the Yardbirds. And they did all the Yardbirds songs. And so the Yardbirds, and first of all, the Yardbirds were cool about this. But his, he said his biggest memory of Jeff Beck was that Jeff Beck had his guitar. And he played it like a great note, blah, and then he held it out like this. And he was talking to somebody on stage while it was feeding back in the coolest way. And then he let the thing slide down like this, just with the weight of it.

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So he gets one exact perfect note at the end. The whole time just talking to some guy. Oh my God. Like talking to a roadie or something. So what is that you were holding there, Jay? I don't know that one. A PRS. I was going to say, it looks like a PRS. Yeah. Yeah. It's a Santana. It's pretty great. Yeah. The, the, the, the frets give it away. Yeah. Anyway, rest in peace, man. That's, that's a tough one. And he does matter to metal too. So yeah. A little bit, John.

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I don't have anything to add I'm gonna admit he's always been kind of a blind spot for me it's no disrespect or anything it's just not I've really ever gotten into his stuff but I feel like now it feels a little bad when I do it after the fact after these people pass but um yeah so I'll check out the records you guys mentioned for sure so I I'm not a guitar player but um I always kind of identified even though I'm a drummer I've always identified as a guitar player meaning I've always I'm always thinking

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that way, even though I play drums. I was going to say you're a drummer. Yeah. And which is weird. Cause usually drummers are thinking as a bass player a little bit because they're the back line. But I always kind of thought maybe cause I was a, my favorite drummer was Neil Peart who was a little more aggressive at his playing. He kind of led songs sometimes, but regarding Beck, this is up there with my, my biggest ones for me in 90 was when Stevie Ray Vaughan died. I was a huge C Ray Vaughan fan.

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Yeah. Um, then when Bowie died, that was a gut punch for me. Um, just for the sheer fact that I was a fan of his whole career, then Neil Peart was, you know, fuck that. And then this is right there with Neil. Uh, I just loved everything about him. I don't have a lot of his stuff. My main go-to is his fusion period, which is blow by blow wired and there and back. And the funny thing is there and back is my favorite for,

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a couple of reasons.

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If anyone remembers the movie Risky Business, guys all saw it.

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Underwear.

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No, that's Bob Seger, though.

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But yes, underwear.

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No, that's all I know about it.

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The scene where Tom Cruise gets in his dad's Porsche, remember, and he takes off and he's driving at night and it's just kind of music playing.

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That's the pump from Jeff Beck.

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It's this really cool kind of ambient sound that just builds up.

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And then I saw Jeff Beck in 1983 on the Ronnie Lane arms tour. Ronnie Lane was part of the faces and he was sick and they did a benefit tour. And Jay will know who I'm talking about here. Bill Graham was like one of the big promoters of this tour. And Bill Graham made damn sure that there was an X number of shows in San Francisco. And he took away from other cities to make sure they were in San Francisco. And I went and at the time I was a huge Zeppelin fan. And so the three big guitars were Jeff Beck.

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Eric Clapton and Jimmy Page. I saw them all on stage at one time. Wow. Yeah. And I was just like, oh, just, you know, kid with a hard on for Jimmy Page. And all honesty, when I go back and watch it now, probably the worst of the three. Clapton being second. And Beck was just on fucking fire that night. And now when I go back, I'm like, oh, my God, I wish I would have paid more attention. Of course, I was 83. So I was, what, 15 when I saw that.

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And Simon Phillips was on drums. And that's where my love for Simon Phillips came as a drummer. And ACDC. No, that's Simon. Right. Yeah. Simon was the 21 year old who got pulled in and played on sin after sin by. Oh, God. Yeah. I was like, I know I knew the name. That's why. Yeah. And he's he's a famous kind of jazz fusing drummer, but he's plays with Derek Sherinian on a ton of stuff. As a matter of fact, Trevor, you could probably see him at the baked potato at some point.

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Like on some night playing. Cause all those guys hang out there all the time. All those jazz fusion guys. But, um, just to, to wrap it up, I, I've never heard anyone like him. Uh, all my friends that I contacted about this were devastated. They were guitar players for 50 years. And just like these, they, their favorite rock guitarists. Now we're talking to rock obviously, but Jay's right. It all started with those guys in the yard birds and they all kind of went there sort of different ways.

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But he just

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Nobody ever sounded like him

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And he couldn't be replicated by anybody

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People tried to play like him

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And nobody could

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And nobody

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Like for instance, Eddie Van Halen

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I still think is one of the greatest guitarists ever

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But everyone tries to emulate him all the time

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I mean, that's the whole 80s scene, right?

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Yeah, and you can do it

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It can be done

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It can be done

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I mean, if you guys know who Phil X is

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Phil X is a great guitarist

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He sounds like Eddie Van Halen

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I mean, he actually really nails it

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There's nobody who can do what Jeff Beck did. Nobody. Like Neil Peart, I don't know if you guys know this about Neil Peart, he taught himself or he had to go back for lessons as like the greatest drummer in rock. I'm going to go back for lessons and learn how to play traditional style and I'm going to learn how to be a jazz drummer. And hold my sticks. Yeah. Jeff Beck did the same thing. He dumped the pick and went to all finger picking. Oh man. And it changed everything for him. I mean, you

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Watch him. It looks like he has a pick. At least it sounds like he does. Yeah, well, also, he kind of looks like a guitar player. So he's like, he's just some hammered dude who's like thumbing away or like an air guitar, thumbing away. And then you hear these sounds. Just, he never played a bad note. You guys know who Rick Beato is? He's got like one of the biggest fucking YouTube channels in the world. He's got like 3 million subscribers. Yeah, you guys might like him. He does a lot of music stuff. Made the comment on there that he's the guy that he's never heard ever play a bad note.

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once in his career. I think that's probably true. That's a good quote. You know, I would say, I may have said two other brief things. One is this. No offense, but take Jimmy Page. He's not doing anything. Jeff Beck was still working, man. 78, he's still working. So there's that. And then secondarily, oh, I was just going to say, actually one record I can suggest that people who listen to this podcast might like is called Bogart, or excuse me, Bogart, Beck, and Apathy.

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even strum a guitar like what the fuck everyone was shocked it just came out of nowhere so

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uh if and if he's not your cup of tea it's not your cup of tea i get it um i will say one last

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thing the coolest thing i've ever seen him do is his rock and roll induction where jimmy page

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inducted him and during the uh these are the little montage before him they show all these clips and

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people are talking about the artist that's getting inducted and in the middle of the clip it just stops

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And then you hear, don't even look at it. Stop looking at it. And if you know what that is, that's Spinal Tap. Nigel Tufnell says to Marty Berge, don't even look at my guitar, because if you look at it, it might go out of tune. That's the Paris says, this goes to 11. He's playing Jeff Beck. That's the character they're doing in the movie. So in that Hall of Fame, he comes out in his first song, his famous song. I mean, he's got a number of them, but the

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One that you've probably heard a million times. There's two. There's Freeway Jam and then there's Bex Bolero. And he's doing Bex Bolero. And just before the solo, which is basically the whole song is a solo, he stops and announces Jimmy Page. And Jimmy Page comes out and plays with him. And they rip into Immigrant Song. Wow. Yeah. Well, he actually plays all of Robert Plant's vocals. Oh, nice. That's like a vibe kind of thing to do. Yeah. And so here is Bex out there doing that whole intro.

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on his guitar.

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And then they finish with Peter Gunn.

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And I'm like, only he has the balls to do shit like that.

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Yeah.

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Anyway.

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Wow.

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I know we talked a lot about it, but this, Jay's right.

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And George said it about, like, again, about the internet blown up.

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This one is huge.

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And I don't think enough people who aren't musicians maybe understand how big it is.

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And that's not their fault.

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They just, they don't know.

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So.

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Now you know.

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Yeah.

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I knew that was going to happen. That is the space that he held as a guitar player. That's the only reason why I could go on and on. Let's drink to him. I got a new beer, Matt. Cheers to Beck. I just toasted that one. A guitar legend. And well said, boys. We all have our own personal

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that we look up to or that strike a chord with us. I mean, there's a couple more I have. If I got news, I'd be devastated. And I don't usually get devastated. But here I'm like, ah, it really sucks. Fuck. Like the David Crosby one. I was never afraid. I was like, oh, that sucks. But I mean, it doesn't really resonate with me. This one fucking hit hard. Yeah. I just watched the Randy Rhoads documentary, the one with Tracy Guns. Is that good? Yeah, it was actually pretty good. Pretty good.

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And it never occurred to me that there would be a rivalry between Randy Rhodes and Eddie Van Halen. Oh, and there was. And I was like, oh, wow. Eddie, actually, well, Eddie complimented him and said he felt bad that he died. He trashed them all in the same conversation. He did. I was like, damn, Eddie, that shit's cold. But he also said, but trashing him, he said he was the only honest guitarist to admit that he stole all his stuff, which is not true.

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because they were roughly

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pretty close in age.

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Roughly.

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And Quiet Ride started in 73, 74.

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It's not like they just came on the scene

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out of nowhere.

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So, George, do you remember the one moment of that?

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They're talking.

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By the way, I thought Kevin Dubrow,

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listen to him, he was actually kind of cool

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in all the parts they had him talking about the band early on.

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Yeah, just stay away from the cocaine, dude.

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Yeah, of course.

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Oh my God, right?

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But everyone thought he was just kind of a goofball.

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He actually had some pretty insightful things that he said. He did. But when they brought in Nikki Six to play with them, he just shit on Nikki Six with the biggest load he possibly could. He's like, yeah, he came in, but pretty much Randy had to show him how to play bass. He had no idea how to play bass guitar. I was just like, oh, that's brutal. Yeah, but you know, I mean, I loved it. Actually, I thought it was great. I can't stand Nikki Six.

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I got nothing to say about that. I'm a friend with somebody who's friends with him. I just don't like him wearing all his chains and leather. He's not that tough. He can write a fucking song. Too Young to Fall in Love and stuff. Those songs are fucking killer. He can write great songs, yes. I don't disagree with that at all. I'm not a fan, but he writes great music, yes. But at the time of the Quiet Riot thing, not so much.

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But he got there. He got there. He got where he needed to be. Because of the unsung hero of Mick Mars. When Miley Crew started, not so much. He still was. I saw some movie where they were like, he was in that band London. They were like, he really wasn't any good. But I also totally agree with Trevor. The guy hold his shit together. And by the way, you can, you know, you don't just flip a dice and write a song. I mean. No, he can write. There's no doubt about that. But I will say this. The unsung hero of that band is Mick Mars. Oh, hell yeah.

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who recently officially retired and was replaced by John five. It sucks when it's like a thing that's kind of out of your control. Like you just physically can't do it anymore. And I actually liked him. I always thought he was a pretty decent player and I always thought he wrote cool riffs, you know, so. All right, let's move on to the next item, which probably will not take as long to discuss. And that is the new cattle decapitation album releasing their 10th album, Terra site on May 12th. Definitely looking

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I'm looking forward to that. Yeah. Yeah. Last. Yeah. Honestly, all of them are good, man. I did the deep dive once upon a time too. Yeah. Yeah. But they really start getting like the new ones are around, not the killing floor or whatever that one's called. The harvest floor. Yeah. And then there's one right before, after that human order, I think. Is it Anthropocene? Oh, uh, karma, bloody karma is right before that.

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And then before that is Humanewer. You know, and they kind of made those under the radar. I felt like maybe people know about them more than I did, but now I think they're pretty fucking huge. Oh, yeah. I mean, Death Atlas was amazing. And then before that was Anthropocene, right? Yeah. I'm really excited about this one because Death Atlas was my number two in 2019. And it's one of my all-time favorite death metal albums right now. So it wasn't the number one on the podcast?

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I don't know if it was number one but it probably was up there you have to go look at our website I love you a fan Trevor oh yeah yeah death atlas well I have to admit I didn't listen to them much for years I remember when human ear came out I think that's only kind of crossed my or came into my radar but uh yeah I think death atlas is fantastic so I'm keen to hear the new one I love cool I love that there's like this whole death metal aspect and then there's this semi clean vocal which yeah you know

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And it's very, to me, it's very like David Wayne metal church-ish. And I'm like, because it's just like, I don't know, but it's like, it's semi-clean and it's just amazing. It's totally David Wayne. And it's funny because it was driving me nuts. And then one day I put on our text thread that we keep going and I was like, hey, I just realized he sounds like David Wayne. And you were like, yeah, dude, I was even months ago. Yeah. It's so like, you know. You need to hear it for yourself. Yeah.

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Yeah. So yeah.

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Can't wait.

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Came off this, the killer tour and, you know, um, Travis running saying, Hey, this is the end of our touring for death Atlas. And me thinking like, Oh shit, we got to wait like two years. And then I'm saying, well, you know, at the end or mid mid year, you'll get a new album for me.

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I'm with Trevor. Like I, I liked them, but it didn't really click for me until the later albums. And then death, death Atlas to me is their best record. And I just looked it up.

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It was number four on our 2019 combined list. I think that that was awesome, but I honestly personally think Anthropocene Distinction is a little better. I could agree with that. Also, they were one of the last bands I saw before the lockdown, and it was the Bring Back the Plague tour. Oh, yeah, their video. It worked. It was so funny. Yeah, the record wasn't even out yet, if I recall. They had just put out the single for Bring Back the Plague.

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and they were just finishing their tour. But I think I saw them like

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late February, early March, you know, whenever that was.

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Yep. So I'll say this and I'll remove this from what I'll talk about later. But when I did my deep dive,

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I was kind of with Jay, like Anthropocene was kind of my jam for them. And then, you know,

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Harvest Floor was probably my first album and I had listened to everything, but not at any great length.

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And so I really did a deep dive and I probably spent the most time with

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to serve man through karma, bloody karma. In between that is humanure. That is some killer shit. I mean, it really felt good to kind of go back and see. I listened to the first two albums and I didn't really connect with them as much. The one thing that I loved about the tour that they just were a part of, which was them, Obituary, Carcass, Amon Amarf. I don't know if you all saw it, but it was on Instagram. It was Travis Rind doing soundcheck with Carcass singing Exhumed to Consume.

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I'm thinking like how have I not connected these two bands in my head they have so many parallels you know not just from their sound but from their beliefs you know how they look at the world what do they sing about and I was like I almost was like you know what y'all I need to go home I need to take a half day because this is some killer shit I totally think they should and they're also vegetarians I think that's not so true in cattle decap anymore across the board but they're very similar yeah that's crazy

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And so fucking talented, dude. The tech death stuff on Anthropocene is fucking nuts. Yeah. But also, by the way, Death Atlas, fucking awesome. Yeah. Super psyched for this one. Definitely this was one of my very most anticipated. Well, don't give it away. Oh, really? I think it's going to be on a race list. We just all shot the wild deer. Not everyone. I got to get a ray.

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Yeah, John didn't have Death Atlas on his name. No, that's true, John Jade, that one. Yeah. And I will Jade this one, too. No, I'm sure you will, yeah. And honestly, Will does, too. Will doesn't like him. Well, fuck him now that he's not here to defend himself. He doesn't like the David Wayne thing that he doesn't like. It is, which is like the best part, because it's so, it's just so like not anything else death metal like that, you know?

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One of today's honestly premier metal bands. Yeah, definitely. All right. So I have one more news item added today per Markison's request. Vinyl sales begin slowdown in 2022. Except for Ash and Horde because that shit got funded. That's right. Well, that's what made me think about it because that vinyl. Come on to my house soon.

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So yeah, I mean, they still grew, but they only grew 4.2% as opposed to like almost 50% of the last couple of years. Yeah. So I was interested in it because, you know, most of us collect fine. I know George kind of stopped every once in a while. I only buy things from people like my friends, Trevor. Right. And Matt's like an occasional purchaser, but the rest of us, Trevor. Right. Right. Right. Yes, that's right. I was, I was the, probably the latest, but the last.

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Yeah, you put them over the top, Matt. That's right. I was going to say, you're the reason it happened. Stallone, over the top. That's me. I kept saying, I got to do this. I got to do this. I'm going to keep getting the things in my feed. I was like, okay, shit. Now I really need to do it. I went into the Indiegogo thing towards the end because I was like, man, I hope this thing gets funded. I was looking to see how much is left because I was like, I'm doing the chin rub thing. Can I afford to just...

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Do I fucking do this or what? Exactly. But I didn't need to because people fucking rock. Well, that's why I put it up on the Metalheads for Instagram and on my site. So I just wanted to get it over the top, man, because you guys deserve it. Exactly. Thank you. And I'm looking forward to just having it. And that little single as well. Yeah, yeah. And a side note there, Marcus, on your buddy who was just on his Comics Coffee and Metal podcast today.

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I'm going to have him do the cover for the single.

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You are. That's fantastic.

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Yeah, yeah. So we're talking about that now.

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So yeah, a friend of mine, well, I mean, I wasn't friends until recently.

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I was on his cast called Comics, Coffee, and Metal.

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That's right. I always get them out of order.

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Yeah, I think that's right.

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Yeah, yeah. Which is great.

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Like, I love all three of those things.

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And I was a guest on there, and we were just shooting the shit.

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We had a great time. I was on there longer than most of his guests.

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And he mentioned that he wanted to get metal bands on there. I was like, you got to talk to my friend Trevor. Got a new album coming out. He's an awesome guy. He likes these things. Get them on. Yeah, I appreciate it. It was awesome. It was a blast. Yeah, I'm glad you had a good time. And he's a good artist, man. He's got a Kickstarter going right now for his book. Oh, yeah. And it did like gangbusters. They funded it like a day or something crazy. Yeah, it's called Evie and the Hellzings. Yeah, looks great. Yeah, yeah.

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He's a cool guy. I never really talked to him before I did the cast, but I like that there's a community. We have a community here. We do Metal Heads podcast. I feel like being in comics, I've become part of a community. I didn't feel that in the beginning, but now I do ever since I started doing By the Horns. I like just being able to share all these things. You know people are doing cool things. Let's get everybody together and let people know about what's going on. I'm glad you got to do that cast, and I can't wait to listen to it.

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Yeah, that was awesome. Yeah. I was just going down the well of these things that we're all nerds about. It's awesome. But yeah, so I wanted to do this particular vinyl sales slowdown because I was just wondering what everybody's buying habits are. I think I've slowed down a little bit on vinyl. I used to just buy almost everything and I've slowed down quite a bit on it, trying not to get as many albums, trying not to get overly excited about every single vinyl that comes out. And of course, we had the

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the pandemic and also we have the fact that there's these plants and they can't produce enough vinyl. This is what basically what happened to you, Trevor. Like, yeah, exactly. So I don't know if that I'm sure that had to contribute to some of the the slower sales. But I was just wondering what what you all thought about vinyl, the state of it, what your habits are buying vinyl. What do you think of it now in 2023? Maybe you start Trevor.

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Yeah, well, I can say I'm happy to hear that the backlog has been more or less cleared. Talking to Steve at Prosthetics Sunday, he's like, yeah, the year, year and a half thing, that's done now. And I've noticed that records seem to be coming out much sooner after they're announced. Now, I thought at first maybe it was labels delaying the announcement. I think it's actually, so that's great. But I mean, yeah, I'm horrible. I'm like looking around. I've just got mountains of stuff that I bought in the last few weeks.

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So, yeah, I don't know. I'm certainly not contributing to any slowed sales. I'm probably making up for hundreds of other people who are not buying. You're keeping it in the black, for sure. Yes, I am. You're making up for me. I would not have guessed that it would have slowed down, but at the same time, from a, I don't know, history and business perspective, I guess it would make sense that when things go crazy, they have to plateau at some point. I'm kind of the person who, you know, when I hear a band,

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I either ordered on vinyl or I don't. I don't have any sort of algorithm to say what I should get. The last album I bought, aside from the Ashen Horde, was when Dope Smoker came out on vinyl. I should probably own that. Otherwise, strangely enough, I probably like the genre of doom and or more classical.

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rock on vinyl. By a number of you on the podcast, I've been gifted some amazing vinyl, which also falls into the category of, you know, things I will listen to, even, you know, something like a Possessed or Venom's Black Metal. Like, there's just something amazing about them on vinyl. But I would say that the minimalist in me is saying, well, I have this, you know, we have a thing that our TV is on, and I have like two columns in there, and I can only fit so many albums in there. So I try and be more selective about what,

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What I did do this year was I got everything logged into Discogs. I knew of Discogs, but to actually put everything in there and kind of see what it is, what the value is, and just what's out there. Pretty amazing. So yeah, from my perspective. Something I want to throw out before, sorry, I don't want to cut you off, but I just remembered, I read this the other day, and I'm probably getting the stat wrong, so I'm going to, don't fact check me, or fact check

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me, but don't hold me accountable. But I think I read only something like 70 or 75% of people that collect vinyl actually own a working turntable. It was 50%. That was pretty funny, too. Wow. Because a lot of people are buying it just because it's cool, and it's probably just going on the wall or on the shelf. That's insane. Yeah, it was like around 50%. Oh, is it 50? Okay, so there you go. Yeah, it's even less. So I'll throw my head in real quick. Yeah, go ahead, Jay.

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In fact, one of the statistics from the past has been that in those plateaus and ups and downs of sales, it seems to me that metal is one of the best selling categories of vinyl. Rock accounts for 50%. 50%, so there you go. And so speaking for myself, I just have too much, so I have slowed down a little bit, but what I do, what I can still be tempted by is like the Celtic Frostbox set that just came out. Even though I have all of those, I was like, okay, I'll fucking get it, fine.

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and like those motorheads special edition things so you're you more tempted by the older stuff that you just want on vinyl and not so much newer things actually it depends like i i bought probably everything in my top five from this year on vinyl yeah but and it's not just all this stuff it's when they come out it's like i had to get the holy diver diver joba rusty thing on vinyl because you gotta get what that sounds like so if they come out with a special edition about something i really care about or

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John, a number of the beast, beast over Hammersmith had to get that on vinyl. It's things like that. And I admit that I resisted for the first time for a while in that they just announced, I'm sure you saw John, the $299 dark side of the moon. Oh my God. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. I honestly was like, well, that's a no brainer. And then I was like, no, stop. I'm resisting. I'm resisting. I'd love to have it, but I don't need it.

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10th copy. Exactly. I already have so many versions of that. Right. Right. Well, I know there's some new bands, Jay. So for example, like Megaton Sword, I bought that. And then I told you about it. And then you, and then you ordered that because it was your number one album. So there's certain bands that, you know, you just got to pull the trigger on the vinyl. I went an extra mile on that one and asked them to sign mine before they send it out. Yeah. Stuff like that. If it's, if it's really special to me, then I'll get it. And, or if it used to be, if it was,

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something from my childhood, you know.

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Yeah, I would play on that too.

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Like, I just bought like the entire ACDC collection of everything.

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Because I'm like, I don't have these.

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I need all these records.

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So everything up to, I think, Ball Breaker, because they didn't find that one for cheap.

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But yeah.

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That's actually exactly how I think of it, Trevor.

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I do that too.

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Like, I love Primordial.

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I only had like no one album on that.

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I was like, I have to have all these albums.

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So I just bought the entire catalog of Primordial.

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I'm not happy.

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Yeah, to me, that's the beauty of it. Because it's one of those things where you can't actually explain to someone for them to be able to understand why you would do that. But those who understand it don't need an explanation. Yeah. I'll tell you what I'm a sucker for. I know I got a couple minutes left. It's like, you guys on the phone can't hear, but they just reissued the first Immortal record with this alternate cover. And I'm such a nerd for that stuff. It's the same record. It's not remastered. It's like everything, but it has different. New cover, new art. Gotta have it. Why wouldn't you?

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Along those lines, and since we're playing show and tell, I gotta do it. And like, this was one I had to have on vinyl. And I love everything. Absolutely. I love it. I love the great one record. It came with a kick-ass poster. It's like metallic. It's so beautiful. Oh, yeah, right on. He's a great person. Hey, Trevor, Matt and I ran into him at Vegas. Oh, no shit, that's awesome. Was he like his crazy, usual crazy stuff?

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He wanted to give us free shit. He was so nice to us, dude. That's awesome. We were both like... Yeah, that's like proper royalty. Well, John, what are your thoughts on vinyl? You're a big vinyl buyer. I am. So I'll give you my quick on what I do for myself and then I'll give you my anecdotal take on what's going on in the industry as a whole.

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For myself, I have slowed down only because I'm limited in space in my house. It's not that I don't want it. I actually prefer everything on vinyl. If I can get it all on vinyl, it's just a matter of space. So I limit it to bands that I really like a lot. And even then, when it's bands, I don't know, Trevor, if you do this, I think maybe you might for some bands because you have a lot of CDs like me. If it's a band I like a lot, I get both formats.

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Yep. Absolutely. That's the most common thing now. Like, uh, yeah, I just get both. I get both because I like, I still like CDs and like, for instance, I just got the new Riverside stuff. Oh yeah. It's just this, I love these cool digit books kind of thing, but they're hard cardboard. They're not the shit ones. And then Jay and I can get a boner over this one. I love how I can sell it from here. John and Trevor's backgrounds are amazing. It's all. Yeah.

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And it's, I love these, I love these book size ones. They're awesome. It's worth the money. Cause it's like, I don't care about the music as much as all this artwork and all the people writing and all these clips. And so I still love getting stuff, but it's, it's honing in more on bands that I like all, you know, for, for everything and certain bands, I have to get everything. So Riverside is one of those bands. Oh yeah. I've heard of those like, I'm sure you're the same, like enslaved, announced something new. It doesn't matter if it's a reissue.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I got the box set. New versions are great. And we left out Monolith in Humanity when we were talking about it. And so that's why I brought it up again. But I went and bought everything just because I was so into them. Yeah, absolutely. In a similar vein, and actually since I'm toward the end, I'm going to throw this out there because I also wanted to bring this up. So last year I was on like right about now talking about the Avoria record. And one of the new songs that just come out was Synchro Anarch.

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from the Voivod record. I think I talked about it at the time. I had not ever gotten into Voivod. Always was aware of them. Didn't ever. It was for the show that I watched the video to make sure I had something to talk about. I was like, holy shit, this is good. That record was my top record of last year. And so that was a well I went down. I picked up the Forgotten Space box that has everything after Warren Payne. Picked up Warren Payne. Picked up Nothing Face and Angel Rat at Record Store Day. Yeah, those are my two favorites. Now I'm just going to fill in a few of the other

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But yeah, that was when I'm like, bought all the CDs first. I'm like, now I got to go back and get all the vinyl. Nice. That is an angel rat so much. Nothing facing angel rat. They're the two best. Those are the only two ones I like. It's the funniest thing too, you guys will appreciate that. When I was home, I guess it was like in April or something, I played synchronically for my dad. He's a rock guy. You know, that's part of the reason, like ACDC, that I grew up listening to that. But I was like, dude, I think you're, this is weird, but you

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I like it he is obsessed so of course for Christmas I sent him Angel Rat and The Wake and uh I forget which their Outer Limits oh yeah here you go to keep taking him down the boy bod well because he is now a huge fan that's awesome yeah I got I got roar on vinyl in 1984 five it was like one of my very first vinyl albums back in the 80s because and and I was just like oh my god you know the album art how could you not buy this

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Right. Yeah. And I've been a fan ever since. So that's like one of my oldest, like extreme metal band faves. That's awesome. Nice. This is great. So I was going to say is that obviously the sales have slowed down a little bit, you know, only 4% increase, but I did read that broke a record in the final weeks of 2022. Yeah. It's 2.232 million records is the most. But what I want to ask you guys is,

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Is that do you think that vinyl is here to stay? Because obviously we know that vinyl was big back in the day and it was gone for a while basically and then it came back and now it's had an incredible run and now we're seeing it plateau a little bit. May I go? Yeah, please, George. I got back into vinyl about 10-11 years ago, which is mind-blowing that it's been that long

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It was pre-podcast, so it was at least like 2012, 2013 that I was just like, yeah, I'm going to start buying vinyl again. And, you know, a lot of stuff wasn't being released at that point. I was just hitting the used record stores, buying stuff for a buck or two. And I was like, this is cool. And then it started getting bigger and more things were coming out and I went a little crazy, just saying.

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You have a lot of vinyl records, George. I do. I have about 1500 is my guess. Nice. And four or five years ago, I got laid off and that brought my vinyl orgy to an end because I didn't have money for a while. And I never really got back into it. But I still buy things by everybody I know.

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I know that puts out vinyl. I pick it up. But part of the problem is that I have 1,500 records. Yeah. And there's no room anymore for more. I have like eight, nine, ten, something like that. Ikea shelves full of records. What would normally be somebody's dining room is my record room. So basically I was told stop buying vinyl. And between.

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I want to ask, do you get this too? And this is maybe just me, but you mentioned like right back in the day when it kind of wasn't as popular, you can get stuff for a much better price. Yeah. And now because of the popularity that has happened. So I feel like if I don't snag something quickly and I like make that stupid boneheaded mistake, like there's a couple of satiricon records I wish I'd bought came out. Now they're like two, 300 bucks on discogs. Yeah. And it's like, look, I don't want to spend that much. So I feel like I got to jump on things less

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I spent like two,

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$300 on like sentenced records because right.

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Oh,

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you got that box set.

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Oh,

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right,

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George.

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What was there a sentence?

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Oh,

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no,

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I did.

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I did get the box set that,

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that was actually one of the few things that was,

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I did recently get that was not a friend,

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but no back before then,

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like the,

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uh,

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the mid to mid mid mid era sentenced albums,

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they were like,

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you know,

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a couple hundred bucks each.

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And I,

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yeah,

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Trevor's right though.

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Like if you don't jump on it,

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Like even they just put out the single. You haven't even heard the whole record. If you don't get it, it might be sold out before the record comes out. And then if you want it and you really like it and it goes on Discogs, it's going to be at least double the price sometimes. I've been trying to get out of that mode. I paid $100 for a 7-inch Woods of E-Prey single. Wow. That's your favorite band though, George. It is. I think I spent $100 on, believe it or not, a Trypticon 7-inch

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just because I had to have every trypticon thing in this one. Right, it's usually the one that you're missing that's like, yep. And that threshold starts to go up the more you want it. Like, I think, yeah, I finally bought that enslaved satiricon split 350. Oof! It was the one enslaved thing I didn't have, and it was making me insane. I'm like, fuck it, I'm doing it. So here's one of my sad stories. Do you have Shadow Thrawn? No, I do not have the original pressing of Shadow Thrawn. A couple of times, and I haven't done this in a while, but I'll

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I bought something for more money than I sanely should have. And then it was re-released. And I was a motherfucker, you know. You're like, oh, you just got to tell yourself you have the original. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I did that both with Monotheist and with, um, um, yeah, and this Godless Endeavor. I paid like 150 bucks for my Godless Endeavor and then it came out again. Yeah, I'll try to wait it out. Cause some of those, you know, if the anniversary is coming up, they're going to put them back.

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Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. For sure. But you know, what's funny is that like the whole time I was doing this, all this craziness, I was like, this is going to bot that, you know, I know this is a trend and it's totally going to stop. And all of this is just going to bottom out and everything that I put into this is going to be worthless, but it hasn't happened yet. But it sounds like it might be coming. This might be a good time to watch that Beanie Babies documentary. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I mean, that's what leads into that question I had. Do you think vinyl is going to be coming?

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to stick around this time or do you think it might go away you know i've always felt it was going to go away again but it's lasted a lot longer uh than i thought it would so let's get trevor out of here so he couldn't yeah this is a good this is a good place to segue so trevor thank you for uh coming on today you lasted longer than will which is you know that that's a that's a win for you so uh

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We love having you, buddy. Yeah, always. I love coming. I appreciate every time you guys have me out. But it's always a blast. I love just hanging out with you. Since I don't get to see you ever, because everyone lives in different places, this is awesome. Well, you should come to Decibel this year, dammit. Probably doesn't need to be said, but we think of you as a friend. And I really like following your Facebook and making jokes of your pictures and shit. You know what I mean? Just like stuff you do with your buddies. And you always do, and I love it. But it's what you do with your friends.

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I've hiked with him dammit. That's right, we have hiked. Hiking is like Viking, but hiking. I can't wait for everybody to hear it when it comes out next week. It's really good. It is. Pick it up now. You'll sign our copies of the vinyl when you send it out. I will. Thank you, Trevor.

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Have a great rest of your evening. Thanks, Trevor. Take care. Take it easy. We'll talk soon. Send us your headshots from tomorrow. Definitely. See you on Facebook. Bye. Bye, Trevor. All right. And then there were five. Yeah. And now it's time for new releases.

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I know this first one was even coming down the pike did you guys know this was coming out

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oh yeah oh yeah I'm an idiot you're an idiot I honestly was worried they'd broken up because

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oh it's been a long time oh had no idea so the first one tell us what it is yes the first one is Ahab the choral tombs their fifth album of German funeral doom and whenever I think of these guys I think about dragging Matt to see them at Valken and he was like

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Oh my God, I just want to sleep. Cause this is so. That was, that was actually Eric. I was more like, that was the day we learned that Eric doesn't like doom. He loves doom, but he does not like doom. I actually was happy to see them because I had heard that name thrown around for years. Um, I had listened to one album, which is probably, you know, their most famous, but, but like you also kind of a little bit surprised they're still together. So. Yeah. Well, it's like their albums are amazing.

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But watching them live, I felt bad making you guys watch them because it's kind of slow. And in a lot of beer, but also listen. It's like, you know, when you just put your headphones on and you're chilling with it, that's one thing. But when you're standing there watching the band play really slow, you're like, I think people are getting bored. And I don't know. It was just, it was funny. But hey, at least I've seen them. So.

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Choral Toomes fifth album. I like it. I admit to not having listened to it yet, but I literally, when I saw it on the list, I was like, okay, so I've downloaded it. The Boats of Glenn Kerrig was the last one that was mine. I wanted to just see where it was. It was my number five right after Anthropocene Extinction, which was number two, or excuse me, four that year. I love the last record. I agree with

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I think all the records are great. Super excited about this. Yeah, I mean, it was my number one in 2015. That's before I even knew you guys. Really? Yeah. Yeah, it was my number one. And I think this album is good. It has all the doom and death elements that I expect from the band. And it does feel slower to me, more cinematic to me, I think. And it's taken me a few spins to adjust to it for some reason. Yeah. So the first time I listened to it, I wasn't that into it, to be honest.

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I wasn't either. Really? Yeah. Same feeling, George. But I have subsequent lessons. I'm definitely more into it. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's the way I felt about the Boats of Glenn Kerrig, too, because the Giant was like, it blew my mind. The Giant was like, it's one of my favorite albums of all time. And so the Boats of Glenn Kerrig, I was like, meh. And I didn't actually like it very much when it came out. But in prep for this, I went back to it and I was like, yeah.

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It's fucking awesome. You know, it is good. And then I listened to this the first time and I was like, you know, because especially with the first track, I mean, even warn you in the description, it's going to be really fast and heavy, which is not a hab. Yeah. But, but it's just something they did with somebody and, and then it's back to a hab as usual. So, um, and I really, I kind of, you know, my favorite part of a hab is the, the clean guitars and the clean vocals that are just

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just very, you know, I can't think of the word, but just sad and mourning. You're just doing a lot of awesome hand gestures. I am. I'm like, ooh, if I could only turn that into words. He's in the sea right now. Yeah. But yeah, definitely cool out. They're slow burn. I'm glad they're still out there making records. Yeah.

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And I'll predict right now this is probably going to be on my list this year. Haven't even heard enough. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Eight years is a long time, you know, between albums, you know, so. Which doesn't even seem that long ago. It feels like a couple years. Like some of the other things we're talking about. Well, they put out a live album that was really good. They put out, you know, things here and there, just not a proper album. Not proper. Yeah. You know, they're just a slow burn, you know, their music is a slow burn. And then, you know, getting into it, it just takes a little bit of time to get into all the elements.

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that they're putting into their music, I think.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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So then next up on new releases, unfortunately, Trevor's not here, but Ashen Horde's

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Antimony.

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Antimony.

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Antimony.

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Antimony.

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Fourth album, Prague Black Album.

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That is coming out next week.

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So if listening to Trevor didn't make you want to listen to it, then let me tell you

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now, you need to listen to it.

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So I don't know.

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I mean, if anybody wants to say anything more about it, we can. I mean, I think it's their best album they've done for that band. Yeah. Easily. I think it's great. You know, I think they progress every single time they put out an album, even though as we talked to Trevor, he did it in like 2020. Yeah. So it's been a while. And so I'm really curious to see what the new stuff sounds like, because you just had three years to reflect on that and try different things. And but yeah, I love Antimonia. I think it's a it's a great record.

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So, you know, the reviews have been coming in. They've been stellar. So it makes me happy for Trevor and the boys too. Totally does. It's, it's really cool when you know somebody and, and their stuff continues to grow and expand their audience. And you get to see this. It's, it's, it's very, it's, it's nice. I like that. Yeah. So I will say this when they updated their band cab photo to be four people, it reminded me of the,

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Metallica Postera. Yes. From the Black Album. The Black Album. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Fucking Trevor is a really good guitar player. Oh, yeah. We really see that when he was here, but the guy is like. It's for a dog. Riffs are en fuego. Y'all. Don't want to make his head big, but he's not here. So he and he probably. No, no, no. So it's all right. No. All right. Next up, we have the new ESOC Trillium album. Funeral is their ninth album this year. I mean, their

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ninth album. French there. It's he. French black metal band. I do think this is like the third one in the last year. But. Well, no, I was going to say this is almost like a running agenda item on new releases. I mean, they never stops, you know. Yeah. If you're if you're one man band and nobody's holding you back, you just throw shit out. Right. Yeah. Labeled his music as black metal massage music.

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What's happening is when I was looking at my list to talk about, I realized, like, we talked, it was kind of in our chat a couple weeks ago. What's that in your mouth, Matt? It's a... Everlasting Godstopper. It's like a gummy fruit wedge. My wife bought this bag of all sorts of gummy things, including gummy worms and gummy wedges. I got it. It's just lodged in there. It's like a ball of freaking candy stuck in his cheek. It's really hard. I bought tobacco about seven years ago, and so I got to go to gummy.

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If Will was here, that would be a completely different answer. Oh my God. You put it right there. I'll be proud of you. I have not listened to this at all. And I hate myself for it. I know. It's like one of those things on my list that I just haven't gotten to. I've listened to some of it. And I like the music. I don't know about some of the vocals. I totally agree with you, George. I feel like he needs to focus. Instead of putting out

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He needs to focus on making better songs. I mean, it's not like the songs are bad, but I don't know. I mean, you know, a few releases ago, like six months ago, four albums ago, I was really into him. And I feel like he's putting out so much stuff that it's just not as good as it used to be. Yeah. I can't think of the name of the album, but I can picture the cover that was probably in my top.

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seven for the year yeah um and everything after that has not quite

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gotten up there for me and and honestly the stuff prior to that has not gotten up there

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but still stays on my radar yeah i don't know what it is but matt i just want to tell you to swallow

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i can't i want to get all this i want to get all the sugar off well i like i like the more

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the music on this one is gorgeous. It's ethereal. I like that part a lot. It's the vocals. Like George said, I have a hard time getting into them, especially the clean vocals on it. It just doesn't sound right to me. So sometimes when I listen to an album like this, I feel like, oh, I'm not in the right mood or it's too different. I haven't heard him do that before. Maybe I had to come back to it. I don't know if that's going to be the case.

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with this one. I suspect not. I suspect that I just don't really like the vocal delivery on this one. It's too bad because I really like the music on it. Yeah, I want to support this band, but I don't know. Well, you listen to it, so you know what? That is supporting the band. You're giving it a shot. Yep. All right. Moving on to the next one. The new Catatonia album, Sky,

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I avoid of stars their 13th album of Swedish whatever metal I don't I don't know what you want to call it but um Swedish whatever sounds great Swedish whatever you know honestly uh I mean John and I were talking and I I love the early Catatonio stuff and I think uh I can't remember the name of it now uh but probably like four or five albums in I was kind of like eh you know and I wasn't a big fan after that but

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I actually kind of like this one.

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You probably just needed to take a break, George.

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I think they are one of those bands where it's kind of like,

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and I don't mean this disrespectfully, but it's sort of like enough already.

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You know what I mean?

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Like if, if Maiden had kept making records like Peace of Mind, Power Slate over and over and over and over,

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there was a point where you're like, okay, I don't really need an X on that bad,

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no matter how much you like a band.

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Yeah, well, part of it is that they write songs that use an extreme metal format or structure, which doesn't necessarily include a chorus, but they're clean vocals, melodic. And so, as I was telling John, the song builds and builds and builds, and you're waiting for the payoff, and there's just no payoff.

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It just keeps going with verses and then it's over. And that's been one of my big things with them for the last, I don't know, four, five, six albums is that the structure doesn't work with a melodic kind of music. But while they still don't have, you know, quote unquote, like verse chorus verse songs, this album worked for me.

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I mean, I listened to it while I was working and it was sort of background music and I was kind of like, oh yeah, kind of like that. And so then I listened to it again, paying close attention to it. And I was like, yeah, it's still kind of good. It's not super. It's not going to make my list, but it's enjoyable. Yeah. I, um, I think background music is a good way to describe it for me. Um, I love Catatonia. I think I really got into them.

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You know, early on and then through maybe the Great Cold Distance, I guess. But this one, I just feel like I've moved on from this band because I haven't really gotten into anything since Great Cold Distance, I guess. I sampled tracks here and there, but I just don't really get into the album. I feel like they kind of settled into a sound and they're just coasting on that one. And that's fine. If you like the last few albums, you're going to like this album.

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If you're hoping for something different, something heavier, I don't know, just more energy into the band, I think you're going to be disappointed. And that's how I feel. I would like to see them do something else instead of doing this kind of the same. I don't expect heavier. I just expect a better songwriting structure to there. It's like if you're going to do clean vocals, you need a hook. If there's no hook, there's nothing.

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If you're going to melodic, then yeah, lean into it. Give us something to sing or something. Exactly. Black metal, death metal, there's no chorus, there's no hook. It is what it is. But if you're going to do melodic, clean vocals, you kind of have to have something to hook people. And for the last, how for many albums, they just haven't had that. Last Fair Deal Gone Down, is that the name of the album? That was like the last one that I was really like, okay, this has some hooks in it.

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Oh, wow. You don't think Viva Emptiness has hooks? Well. That album's loaded with hooky songs, I think. Well, maybe it is, and I just haven't listened to it enough. And I think The Great Cold Distance is the last great album they made. All right. So you agree with me, John? Yeah. Well, what do you think of this new one, John? I'll be honest. I was a huge Catatonia fan for years. I mean, I love Brave Murder Day. I love, like George said, Last Fair Deal Gone Down is my favorite from them. Tonight's Decision's Awesome.

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I love all of them, but ever since last, or a great cult diss, it's the same album for me. Although I do like the fall of hearts. I thought that that one, they, they did a few things on there that were much better than they had done, but it's just, it's the same of the same for me. It's kind of like Mastodon a little bit, although I liked the last Mastodon album, a little bit like Gojira's Becoming. I think I'm the last holdout with them out of all of us. And even then I'm like, it's getting close.

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It's not that I don't like these bands. I told George, I still like all these bands. It's just I am going to stick to what I like by these bands and not maybe continue on the journey sometimes. Yeah. That's not bad. I mean, there's some decent songs on it, but I don't know. I just don't see myself going back to it again. And that's I know there's people that absolutely love this band and they continue to support them. And that's awesome. I'm glad.

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It's fine. You know, there's nothing on it to get you excited. I feel exact same as you do where, you know, I just I just feel like I've moved down from the band. Like, if you like that man, great. Enjoy their albums. For me, the older stuff is what I'm what I'm going to listen to. I don't I don't need some of this newer stuff that's basically the same album for the last three. Yeah. Yeah. Like I said, ever since and I keep harping on this, I say it all the time, but

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Great Cold Distances. That was the last album, I thought, where they didn't do this. They're notorious for these big intros, and then I go to this kind of ambient, quiet, with this electronic drum shit in the background, and he sings, and to all of Jonas' credit, he has become a very good singer over the years. He's a better singer.

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I read a quote about this band and somebody said maybe I'm off here but I think this band struggles now because he's too good of a singer compared to what he was before but it's an interesting take because I feel like the music has changed as he's become a better singer you know and they're they're entitled to change their sound of course they are you know and I've seen them there are my of all the bands I've seen there in my top 10 I think I've seen like 15 or 16 times live they've been great live

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So, you know, I'm glad people still really enjoy their stuff. And I don't dislike them at all. I'm just not on the ride for every album. So, yeah, I agree. All right. Let's move on to the next really topical album or not. Leper Colony with their self-titled first album. They're a German death metal band featuring Raga Johansson from every German death metal band.

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I just can't get into a guy I don't know where to go with his

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career. What do I get into?

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She's too much. He's very prolific.

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He is very prolific.

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You know, I, anything that, I mean, if, if somebody says, Hey, Rog is on this album, I'm going to listen to it. Cause I know that there's at least a minimum level of quality that I'm going to get. And, uh, and that's the same case here. I think it's, it's listenable, you know,

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It sounded great production-wise, I thought. I mean, and maybe that's a bad thing in death metal now, but... Yeah. By the way, I'm going to take two steps back and just say I didn't know this, but the new Ahab is based on 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. Yes, it is. That's weird. Yeah. Don't you think that's a little weird, Jay? 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. Well, yeah. It's not like they're a band about ocean things or anything. Yeah, no. Well, no, I mean, that was...

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because they obviously are.

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I know.

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I was,

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um,

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and I hadn't realized that.

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So it's nice that they obviously keeping the theme going,

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but I like that.

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They switched authors to a couple of times.

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Yeah.

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They're the,

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uh,

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they're the,

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they're the,

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uh,

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funeral slash death doom of,

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uh,

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sulfur a on.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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With the theme.

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I should say.

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So did any,

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was anybody else like traumatized by 20,000 leagues under the sea as a kid?

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Uh,

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like watching the dudes with the,

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like the sucker marks on their face from,

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I love stopmation films. I actually think they're great. They need to remake that today. Have you seen Pinocchio, John? Like when I was four. No, no, no, there's a new thing. No, no, the new one from Guillermo del Toro is a stop motion animation. Oh, did he actually get a stop motion? Yeah, yeah. It's on Netflix or something like that, John. I haven't watched it myself, but it looks amazing. Oh, cool. Yeah.

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I watched it last night.

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That looks messed up. Is it messed up?

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Yeah.

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It's not really a horror movie per se, but it's

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sort of a psychological dark comedy.

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I liked it more than I thought it was going to.

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All right.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Thanks for telling me that, Marcus.

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I like Jason and the Argonauts and all that stuff.

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I love all that stuff.

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Nice.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, and I mean, you know, Guillermo del Toro is a really good director. He's been working on it for a long time. And so I've been meaning to watch it. It just won, not the Academy Award. What's the other one? Golden Globes. I think it won Golden Globe for Best Animated Pictures. I don't care about awards, but it put it on my radar. I was like, oh shit, is that on streaming? And it is. I mean, it's like, is it on Netflix or something? I think it's Netflix. Or Disney Plus. Yeah, I mean, I can't even keep all this.

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It's on Netscape. Nice. Netscapeulu. Nice. Mount. Anyway, next up we have the new Oak Pantheon album, The Absinthe. The Absinthe. This is their third album. They're a Minneapolis black folk band. I would think that Matt would

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I know about these guys. I know. I told myself that yesterday when I was looking them up, like, holy shit. I didn't realize they're from my neck of the woods. Yeah. I didn't realize I had previously bought their albums. I mean, you know, Oak Pantheon, it's kind of a generic sounding black folk kind of metal album or band name. And I'm like, I mean, I've heard of them. Yes. And I didn't realize that I actually bought all their albums. It was confusing them with the guy who was in,

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And yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't think of the name of the band. Black obsidian tongue. Yeah. Um, yeah. And, uh, I was like, oh, I listened to like three seconds of it and I was like, yeah, whatever. And then I was like, all right, well, this is in our new releases. I'm going to listen to it. And I was like, oh shit.

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is fucking awesome.

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It is.

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Well, we've had it a long time because I got it from Tanner in like early December or some shit.

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I did not remember who put it in there, but I was listening to that.

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I was like, oh, my God.

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And so I went and bought it like today or yesterday on Bandcamp just to support them, even though we already had it.

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But yeah, this is a fucking amazing album.

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This is very, I mean, this is in my wheelhouse.

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This is like Joel-esque music.

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It's folk black.

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It's different than Thross and Blot, but it's still in the same neighborhood. You know, it's like there's clean stuff and black stuff and folky stuff, and it's really good. I love this album. Yeah, I think it's phenomenal. Yeah, it's an eclectic mix of all those things you said, George, atmospheric black, post, prog, folk. Yeah. But it sounds unique. I know they've probably, I think Tanner's told me this, that they've been compared to like Agaloc before, but I, if that's

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true like this does not sound like that no it does not so i i love the previous records but i think this is by far the best record they've done and it's been a while it's been a while yeah um well tanner is a structural engineer the reason how i know him is he's worked with my wife tracy oh wow on projects so she introduced us and we immediately bonded because i was probably wearing a metal shirt he's he looks kind of clean cut even if you look at the promo shots because the structure

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You wouldn't know he's a metal guy. But we got to talking right away. And he's like, I'm in this band Oak Pantheon that I do with my best friend from who I've known forever. I was like, I know Oak Pantheon. What the hell? So in fact, he just gave me this CD. I bought the vinyl, but he gave me the CD signed by the whole band. I can't see all the signatures. I can see a little bit. He gave it to Tracy. And she had a conference and he was there.

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He lives in Minneapolis, but sometimes Tracy goes and works on different projects from various places. So Taryn and I have become friends where we're texting each other about metal and stuff like that. That's awesome. And so he sends me stuff. He's given me all the albums signed and everything, and now I buy them because I want to support the band. But anyways, I think that the melodies, the choral arrangements, they're just beautifully done. I love that soft, lush tug of

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Guitars on songs like Beating Heart. It hits you like right in the chest. But then they also bring that galloping black fury to the album. And I just think this album is a masterclass of how to stir in a lot of different ingredients and spicy twists into the pot, right? But yet you still conjure a balanced, cohesive flavor bond.

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of metal. And so it's the first record I've heard, I think, this year that it's a lock for my list. I'll just say that now. I just think it's terrific. Yeah. Hey, you know, if you want to bring him on, that's fine. Yeah. And I know I've told Tanner how much John likes the band too, because John had them pretty high. Was it the last album or the one before? I don't know, John. In Pieces was number three in 2016. That's still my favorite, I think. But I haven't spun this one enough.

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I'm going to go on record. I'm pulling a will here with this album.

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The fifth song, that Bard song, there's something about those style. It reminds me too much. I'm not saying it's not power metal, but it's got those folky power metal kind of leanings a little bit with everything else like you said.

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Really? A little bit. It reminds me a little bit of the Bard song from Flying Guardian. Just a tad. Just a tad. I'm not saying it is.

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But there's just something about the gallop on it. And I'm like, oh, that's the one thing I'm not big on. But I like the rest of the album a lot. I like it. I just don't know if I like it as much as in pieces just because I like in pieces that much. But it doesn't mean I don't like this. I do. I think this is great. And I wanted to buy the CD. And you can tell this to Tanner. But I don't. And I refuse to use PayPal to sign up for an account. And I cannot buy it because I have everything else on CD.

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But I can't buy it because I have to create an account to buy it to finalize the purchase. I'm like, well, I'm going to have to contact them. I'll have them. I'll get you a signed one. Oh, yeah. It drives me. It's not their fault. PayPal has like 97 different ways to buy something. I know you've had issues with that, John. I can get you a signed copy of it. I'll just tell Tanner. He'll send it to you. Because for some bands, when I have everything, I keep buying everything. For some bands where I don't, I don't care. I'll send them a message now.

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I even have the sleeves for all the splits they did with M and Seuss. I have all those too. I love the record. I can't imagine this not being on my year end list. It's so good. I love that you had bought all the albums and you kind of listened to a couple seconds of this new one and you're like eh. It's because I

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I listen to so much stuff, you know? And I was just like, yeah, it's funny. I mean, I can't tell you how many bands that I have, like, their entire catalog and don't even know it because I bought it and then forgot about it and then they come up again and I'm like, oh, yeah. And I'm like, oh, wow, look at that. I already have everything. But yeah. We all have bands like that. Yeah. So it kind of came back to me when I was like, oh, yeah, I remember buying this now. And so.

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Yeah. It's great. So yeah. Very good. We have two more. Unfortunately, Will is not here, but the new obituary album, Dying of Everything, their 11th album, came out last week. I like obituary, and I like this album, but I'm glad Will's not here. I'm not a big fan of the guitar tone on this album.

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It's really kind of like stoner doom fuzzy guitar tone, which makes the album not super heavy. Has anybody else noticed this? I think it's pretty heavy, George. Oh, it's heavy. It's a good, it's a good album. I'm not saying it's not a good album, but it could be heavier if they had a more chunky guitar tone. And if you listen to it, it's very stoner doom fuzzy.

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guitar distortion.

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And it's just kind of like, huh, it's not as heavy as it could be.

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Anyway.

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Yes.

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I didn't notice that, George.

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Well, listen to it again.

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I will.

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I will.

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I will listen to it.

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I'm not kidding.

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I will listen to that with that in mind because you didn't say production you're talking about.

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It's not production.

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It's just the tone.

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It's I'm not trying to knock it.

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I think it's a great album.

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It's probably going to be a lister.

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But I was just kind of like, what is this? Because I was expecting more punch. And the stoner doom fuzzy thing is not as punchy. It's just a little. And so, yeah, that was my take on this. I was like, this is a great album, but I want more punch. I thought it was solid. I wouldn't say it's great. I mean, I think if you dig the band, you're going to like this album. I think they've done consistent quality death from metal legends pretty much every time. But it isn't a record I'm taking.

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I take my pants off for.

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You know.

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No.

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No.

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I mean.

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It's just a good.

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Yeah.

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It's a good album.

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It's not a pants.

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No.

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Definitely not.

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Maybe socks.

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I take my socks off for it.

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Socks can come off.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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But.

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Sure.

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Whew.

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Glad Will's not here.

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All right.

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So our last new release.

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This.

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And I got a story about this one.

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So the band is called Scala.

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It's their first album called The Secrecy. It's a U.S. black metal band featuring my friend, our friend, Chris slash Neutrino from Infero Brero. I goofed. Okay. I thought this album came out this month. It came out last month. So this should have been on my year-end list. Came out late though, didn't it? It was in December. It was early December, actually.

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I think it's like the ninth. Yeah. But because we had intended to have him on this episode, I thought it came out this month. And so I didn't, I didn't, and I did not get notified by Bandcamp, even though I pre-ordered the album because I love my boy. They didn't let me know that it was out. So I didn't notice until January that it was out. And I was like, wait, I thought it came out this month.

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And so I was all set to be like, this is my album of the month, blah, blah, blah. You know, interview. But I fucked up. That would have been tied on your list because didn't we do the year end the next day? Yes. I think we did on the 10th, didn't we? Yes. Yes. But I mean, he gave me the album like, you know, a while back. But I thought it was coming out this month. So I fucked up. It should have been on my list. FYI.

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I'd have to look at the list, but it would be on it for sure.

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I love this album. Chris was in Infero Brew with Galen. I love those guys. Great albums. Infero Brew is basically on eternal hiatus, I think is what they're calling it.

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Galen's working with a bunch of other bands. So Chris put this band together, wrote the music, and it's honestly, I think I like it even more than Infero Bruro. It's a really good album. And he was supposed to be our guest today, but something came up, so he had to postpone, and Trevor was kind enough to step

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at the last minute. I was hoping to have Trevor next month because the album comes out next week. Hopefully, Chris will be on a future episode to talk about this, but I fucking love this album. It is really good, and I'm totally impressed. I agree, George. I think I really like this record. I like it way more than Farabur. I know you guys like that band, but it's extra

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FOLKY,

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You should have told me it was on. I was like, yeah, well, I don't know. I figured you were already listening. Yeah, no, I know. It was my fuck up. I know. But I think it's a great, great record. I really like it a lot. Yeah, that's good to hear. I really like it too. I was listening to it in the car today, which is, you know, most things I listen to on the headphones. And I was in the car. I was driving over to my parents' house and I was listening to it. And I was like, man, there's a lot of bass on this thing. This is like the anti-embodied

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And that's because Chris is the bass player and also the main guy in the band. This has a decent low end to it for a black metal album. You know, black metal tends to be very tinny and, you know, not bass heavy, but this one has a good, good low end to it. That's good. I mean, I'm looking forward to talk to him about, about the album because it is like different than the other stuff he's done. And, um, obviously he has his hands in a lot of different types of metal. So it'll be interesting.

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to see what he says about it. Yeah. So hopefully we'll have him on in one of the next few episodes to talk about this album. All right. Let's move on to what we are listening to.

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Mark is on.

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All right.

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What we're listening to.

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Wow.

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It feels like this is going fast all of a sudden.

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So yeah,

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I've been spinning a ton of albums and there's a lot of stuff from 2022.

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Like George was just saying about,

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about Scala that I either missed or just did not spin enough.

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So I'm going to run through those first.

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And then I'll mention a few albums that I,

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that dropped this month that I,

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that I've also liked.

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Cool.

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The first two albums I have on my list are,

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are albums that I probably,

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they probably would have made my top 25 or been close if I had heard

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them before we did the year end cast.

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And the first one is,

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is ghoul and it's spelled G G U colon L L.

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And the name of the album is X-Est from Consoling Sounds Records. It's a hypnotic, drone-laced doom and probably my favorite doom record of 2022. So I'm definitely bummed that I heard it after a year-end cast. I liked it so much I went and got the vinyl for it.

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So now I have them on Bandcamp and I'll get notified. But really great. If you like Doom, I think this is one of the best ones from last year. And then the second album that could have made my list is Lune, L-U-N-E, Hymns to the Lunar Realm on Wolfspell Records. And this is an album, they kind of play this cosmic atmospheric black metal with a mix of

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of the black and shrieks and choir vocals. And it has this kind of grand orchestral feel to the album that makes me want to just basically stare at the stars while holding a sword. And I kind of do that sometimes actually. But I was listening to this today with Tracy in the room and she's like, what the hell are you listening to? And I told her and she said, and she told me, it sounds completely over.

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over the top and excessive with all that or orchestra stuff. And she's like, it sounds like it could be the soundtrack to the Wheel of Time show or something like that. And I said, yes, that's true. Welcome to metal. So that was our interaction metal today. Sometimes she it's funny. I'll watch like wrestling or something and she'll kind of watch some of it and then comment. I'll listen to metal sometimes and then she'll still have a comment on it. But I appreciate the fact that she actually listened to it and then.

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It absorbs enough to say something about it. Wait, wrestling? Really? I love wrestling, yeah. I watch WWE and AEW, so it's a lot of wrestling. Fortunately, you know, it's kind of like background music, you know. I kind of think of it as like Catatonia for me. All right. All right, so the next one, so those two, they would have been strong contenders for my list if I,

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if I had listened to them before we did the year end. The rest of these are also, well, not all of them, but the rest of the ones I'm going to do right now are from 2022, but I don't know if they would have made the list, but I do enjoy them. Death Bell, A Nocturnal Crossing on Svart Records. This band plays psychedelic doom rock with really haunting vocals. I just read that they broke up and that's a shame because I thought that they got better. I think they had an album before that that I liked and then this one was better than that.

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Death Spell Omega, The Long Defeat, Norma Evangelium Diaboli Records. It's really well-crafted and engaging cross of post-black metal and avant-garde black metal. I completely forgot this man put out a record last year until I listened to Alan Averill's podcast. He's the front man for Primordial. I mentioned Primordial earlier when I said I bought all the records.

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So he did a podcast. He talked about his favorite 2022 records. He didn't really order his picks, but he did single out three albums as his favorites. And this, this was one of them. So it was a very interesting album. Yeah. I liked him because they do something a little bit different every time. Oh, I love the band. And they, they release it. They didn't even announce it. It just comes out. Yep. Next one is, I'm never going to pronounce this right. Um, it's from,

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It's a la hombre de jamera saison de deceptions from violence in the veins records. This is really a phenomenal dark post-metal record from France. Like I said, has a whisper of hardcore elements in it, but I'm mostly post-metal. It's really, really well done. Um, violence in the veins. I think I listened to a different album that they put out and then I just looked at their catalog and came across this and that's how I found it. Uh,

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Heron, Empires of Ash on Sludgelord Records. This album was pretty close to making my list. It's a mix of Heavy Doom and Sludge, but it also has sweeping post-metal parts to it. Kind of sounds like Conan teaming up with Pelican, if you can imagine that. I really like it. There's a couple tracks on it that I thought were just standout songs for the year, but I just didn't listen to it enough to have it actually crack my top 25.

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So that's the 2022 stuff.

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And then the new stuff I'm listening to lately,

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the first one is frog skin into disgust on violence and veins records.

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This is probably the record that I was listening to and then listen to the other one,

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but it's slow,

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tortured,

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doom and sludge.

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I was a big fan of their first record.

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I have that on vinyl.

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Then they did a second record and it was just,

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he's kind of veered into this strange territory.

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Like it wasn't the same kind of record.

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almost like they were trying to do something a little bit more commercial. But this album kind of brings it back to that pit of despair sound that I really liked from the first record. So I'm kind of into it. The Gauntlet, Dark Steel and Fire on Eternal Death. This band is jokingly referred to as Stadium Bathory and the musical synthesis of motorcycles and epic fantasy. And that's completely accurate.

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I really enjoy this just a good time the howling void into darkness ever more profound on funerary records I love doom and this is the it's a slow funeral doom with big mournful guitars this band they weren't as they weren't on my radar as much before this record because this one pushes the guitar work

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to the forefront. And the other records, they didn't. It was almost like background guitar. I don't know how to describe it. But this record, the guitars are right out front. And it makes them a way better band. So I'm really, really digging the Howling Void. Aravu, A Fate Worse Than Home. This is an independent release. It's atmospheric progressive black metal. Very progressive. It has a cosmic feel to it.

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almost a psychedelic atmosphere to it. I just came across it when I was looking for new metal and I really dig that record. And then Inherits the Void, the impending fall of the stars on avant-garde music. Just really great riffy and melodic black metal. It just came out. I really like the atmosphere on this one. And then finally, since this is a long list, I'm going to mention two really

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I think these are my favorite in the genre so far in 2023 and that would be Nothingness, Superliminal on Everlasting Spew records and Negative Vortex, Tomb Absolute on Sentient Ruin records. So that's what I got. I listened to the Nothingness one today. It was good. It's good, George. Do you like it? Yeah, I like it. Okay. I'll have to check out the rest.

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Okay. All right. Matt. So my favorite time of year is post year end because I completely stopped listening to new music and I dive into old stuff. So let me dig in. In Flames, a lot of early albums. Yes. Paired well with that New Majesty's track. It's called Vast Reaches, Unclaimed. Some local boys for me really did that.

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Yes, exactly. For Inflames, I hope you're listening to Horacle and Colony because those are by far the best. Yes, yes. And Clean Man. And like anything, I mean, I'm not going to lie. I love them through a sense of purpose, but it was everything probably come clarity and back, but more back than forward. Full of Hell, I've never, I mean, I've always loved Full of Hell, but to actually kind of walk through their catalog was cool. Wasp, early stuff, probably first three or four.

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albums. Wait, did you say Wasp? Yes. Like the Wasp. Like Blackie Lala's Wasp. Correct. Fuck yeah. That was my last show. Well, and that's actually part of it, George, is that and seeing him being interviewed recently, you know, because he did a lot of kind of meet and greets and a lot of that showed up. He did. Things like Blabbermouth. I saw him. He was like five feet from me at the show. He came out. We were waiting in line and he kept, the bus was right in front of me.

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And he was like, what's up? And got on the bus. And I was like, hey, Blackie. And to be perfectly honest, he's one of my, from the 80s, he was one of my biggest heroes. It was Blackie. He's an interesting guy because he's not stupid, but he, you know, he seems definitely confident in himself. And he also still sounds good live from the videos I saw. He did.

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But I did kind of feel your frustration, George, in the sense of like taking a ton of songs and turning them into kind of a montage. It does kind of feel like a cop out. I felt like that, but ultimately I thought the show was all right. Oh, good. Right on. Well, to kind of segue, because you also saw Armored Saint with that? Yes, I did. Okay. I read Scott Ian's book, and so I always knew he was a big part of Anthrox. I didn't realize he was Anthrox.

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essentially,

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after Danny,

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you know,

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after Danny kind of got pushed out of the band.

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And so my first anthrax album was actually attack of the killer bees,

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which I didn't,

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I honestly didn't realize what a compilation was.

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And then it was kind of persistence of time.

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And then it was kind of John Bush era,

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which would have been the first two John Bush albums.

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I listened to volume eight the first time ever and thought it was a piece of

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shit.

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I don't mind.

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We've come for you all.

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But as I was doing all that,

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I kind of went back and listened to Joey stuff. So long story short, I listened to all of Anthrax. Interesting thing about them is I always loved the cover of State of Euphoria. I wanted it to be a much better album than it was. It was a great album. What are you talking about? But I didn't love it. I actually really loved Among the Living. Well, yes, obvi. But reading the book, Scotty was like, oh, yeah, we totally rushed that album out so we could tour with Iron Maiden. Like, well, fucking A, that totally makes sense. I saw them with Iron Maiden.

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Maiden on that. It was steady euphoria and no prayer for the dying. I didn't see Anthrax live until the Slayer Farewell tour. So, and I felt really good about that. But I will say worship music and for all Kings are so good. Great albums. Joey is such a good singer and not that John Bush isn't a good singer, but like that Anthrax is a completely different Anthrax. I recently read that they're trying, he's like some guy who was their live guitarist. I can't think of his name was saying that they're going to kind of put

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together a two-run and do that anthrax in the near future. Interesting. Which, I don't know why you'd want to compete with what's going on, because I feel like the anthrax of now is a really fine-tuned machine. Yeah. I think Joey sounds better now than he's in the 80s, honestly. He does not sound like he skipped a beat from those days. No. And I think maybe they're just producing him better or something, but he sounds so good, dude. He does. I like him. Actually, there's something I like about him. I don't know exactly what it is, but, I mean, above and beyond his

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He handled the whole breakup with Grace, really. Maybe not back in the day, but these days he's like, eh, it is what it is. It is what it is, yeah. I agree. He kind of swallows that, and then he just spends all his other free time doing a Journey cover band. Honestly, Jake, to your point, that's one of the things that stood out to me about how he handled that, and the fact that he came back to the band, and honestly, they probably sound better than they ever have. Definitely. So, yay Anthrax.

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Also, in solitude, I'd been wanting to get back to them for years. Oh, nice. Calvary Capitation, already talked about. Mastodon, I don't talk about them enough. Leviathan? The funny thing is, most of my time was, thank you, George, but most of my time, honestly, was spent thinking, like, why haven't I listened to Remission more? It's not Leviathan, but it's an amazing album. And I'm saying this, like, I went through the catalog numerous times, never a bad day when you're listening to Mastodon.

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So you gave me remission. Mother Love Bone. I love Mother Love Bone. Oh, yeah. To me, Mother Love Bone is the connection between hair metal and grunge. Oh, yeah. I love Mother Love Bone. And I never understood the disappearance of hair metal. But if you watch the, there's a documentary about Pearl Jam. I think it's called 20. But. Yep, it is. Andrew Wood was amazing. Yeah. To me, Mother Love Bone was that spanning connection between hair metal and grunge. Well, I mean, Alice in Chains was a hair metal band before they became

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Like Alice in James.

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They were.

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Yes, they were very much.

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So was Pantera.

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That's true.

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That's true.

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I spent some time with what I would call Discord era stuff.

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And by Discord era stuff, I mean everything that ties to Ian McKay.

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There were many other bands in that, but anything from Teen Idols, which also featured Henry Rollins all the way through like Minor Threat, Fugazi.

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Fugazi.

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After that.

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I love Fugazi.

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Because that tour, I spun some Amon Amarth. Stuff that stood out to me years ago. And like Amon Amarth was one of those bands that was a gateway drug for me to get back into good metal. They were very accessible at the time. I've seen them live probably 10 times. My first real album was Twilight of the Thunder Gods, which I still love. But going back, I really love With Odin On Our Side. I really love The Avenger. Yeah, it's good. I think Versus The World was another one I really love. Those are the albums that stood out to me, even though they've

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I've

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probably only been hit by some of their more popular things. Well, don't rush through it. Yeah, no, which are so good, but I kind of went through the catalog. Farewell to Kings better be your favorite. Well, here's the thing. I haven't actually landed on a camp, but that's because, you know, I've, I've talked to a number of people and I've always known that Russia was a popular band in this podcast, rightfully so. Back in September, I started a new gig and as my new boss and I are trying to get to know each other, I've talked about, you know, my love of

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He threw out all the Rush he had on vinyl. And I was like, all right, I've always had good reasons to listen to Rush, but this is it. I might as well. And- -Jesse Nash, yeah. -Like, exactly. Like, Moving Pictures is a great album. And to me, for a lot of people, it's their most popular album or their favorite album. And rightfully so, 'cause it's a fucking amazing album. Jay, I reached out to you about it and you gave me two tracks. And those were the two tracks that had stuck in my head. The Camera's Eye and I think,

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Witch Hunt were them. Oh, yeah. All I thought in my head was like, man, what would this be like to see those songs live? Like, well, blowing. You can hear them. Why, why is it? Totally. Well, Witch Hunt's not on there, but they do a really great version of Camera Eye on there. Okay. I will definitely seek that out. I went through the full catalog twice. Fly By Night really sticks with me, but it really kept going back to 2112.

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all the way through probably signals and i meant to say like at some point during the night i just want to be looking over here and then be called upon and just go subdivisions i really like i kept going back to signals but like all those albums are so good like today we i drove my kid to a birthday party and we listened to farewell the kings and that one was probably at the top of my list because of their most recent tour that primus did playing that album but so good but i also love how that album flows into

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is it's like no not signals but

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hemispheres and

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you know just the way 2112 sounds

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or honestly the way signals sounds

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you know what signals is so

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undermentioned it's the one that

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came after moving pictures it's

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kind of a it's so good there's so

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many good songs on their record I

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just I wish people mentioned signals

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more often you know what they need to

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say is Presto they're all so good

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yeah Presto's a great fucking album

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I think John's orgasming on there

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When we logged on, I said to have Rush shirt on, I was like, oh, I'm going to need a minute to go to the bathroom. Just letting you guys talk, because I talk about Rush all the time. I'm giving you all the air time. That was my Tom Warrior Rush. As Jay had mentioned, if you watched the documentary, I watched it maybe five, six years ago, so I need to kind of go back and just let that shit hit me in real time with what I've experienced.

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I honestly like I literally cannot stop listening to it because it is so fucking good but it's like like I think it's the it's the problem of there's just too much like yeah you know I do I do I need to make a spreadsheet and I'm saying let in a question but I already have like the spreadsheet of what I should listen to next take it a little late in the game George but presto was the first time I saw him live wow nice well I never saw that I never would have been 89 or

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That was somewhere between 89 and 91. That was actually a while ago. I never saw Rush. How many times have you guys seen Rush? Twice. I saw him on Presto and Roll the Bones. John, how many times? I'm looking it up. Hold on. I've only seen him once. I only saw him one time. And I'm glad I got it in, of course. My number should be higher. And I'm embarrassed by my number because I first saw them in 85 on the Power Windows Tour.

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But I had a chance to see him on Grace Under Pressure and Signals, and I did go. But I've seen him 17 times. Wow. That's all? Really? Beautiful. Power Windows is awesome, too. I was five rows in front of Alex Lifeson. Boing. Yeah. I'll tell you this. My seats were not that good either time I saw them. I was somewhere off the floor in the back. Let me tell you this, Jay.

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That was the last time I was in the fifth row in front of Alex Lifeson. Everything else was in row 352 for every show after that. I do remember highlights, though. I remember they played the trees on the Presto tour, which is fucking cool to hear the trees. Yeah. Well, and other stuff. No, we won't go into the whole fucking thing. I think it was like the Test for Echo. I fucking love that album, too, actually. Yeah, it's a good record. I think it was that tour. My buddy Brian, he's like,

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I'm getting tickets to Rush. I'm going to get one for you for your birthday. And I'm not really a big stadium tour guy. I like the smaller shit. I was like, yeah, I got to see Rush. What am I doing? That's ridiculous. I haven't seen them. So he took me to it and it was like amazing. Even being in that giant fucking dome. The sound was great. I was going to ask a Rush question.

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What was it? Oh, which one is... I always love this song title, and I think it's on Presto, but maybe it's on Roll the Bones, but it's called Anagram for Mongo. That's on Presto. Presto. And Shirley, I love that joke. John, I bet you know where the joke comes from. Blazing Saddles. Yeah, yeah. Because there's a famous... Well, not a famous... There's a scene in Blazing Saddles where

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They come in with a candy gram for Mongo. Yep. So I always love that they called the song anagram and they were like, one of them must kept saying anagram for Mongo. You know, and they put, this is when it was the title. And every album was dedicated to a letter. Do you remember what that's from? Say it again. Every album was dedicated to a letter. Remember this album is sponsored by like Sesame street. Yeah. If you look at my guess, but I was like, it's gotta be less obvious. It's either that or electric factory.

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I think Electric Factory was... Electric Company, hello. Electric Company, whatever. Yeah, yeah. If you go in and you look in the liner notes for years, they would always have this album is brought to you by, and they have a letter. Yeah, the rest is fucking great, man. Well, really cool that you're doing the deep dive on it, Matt. Yeah, I mean, it was and continues to still be amazing. I did, I reached out to obviously to John, he gave me his top eight, and I love that you're like, the rest is the shit show.

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I can tell you I don't remember the name of the album. I can promise you that this is the last one. I can guarantee what I think is shit. Hold your fire shit. I like hold your fire. Hold your shit. It's got like two maybe three songs. Wait what's the top eight? For me? Yeah John. Alright. I mean Farewell to Kings I know is number one because it's my number one and we talked about this before. Yeah so Farewell to Kings Moving Pictures

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Hemispheres, Permanent Waves, Signals, 2112. And I can't remember if I went Clockwork Angels and Grace Under Pressure or if I flipped them. I think those are my eight. I can't remember. It was pretty good. I absolutely love Clockwork Angels. I think that's the best thing they did in 25 years. I was surprised at how that album really felt heavy.

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And it's heavy. It's pretty good. But like I mentioned, I like Test for Echo. I like Vapor Tree. I like most of their records. Yeah. I don't. The only one I don't particularly care for is Hold Your Fire. Apparently. I just don't like the sound. I think there's only, like I said, three songs. I'm like, yeah. All right. Whatever. Well, it's Mr. Christmas on there. And it was time. What's Time Stand Still on? Time Stand Still is all right. I mean.

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It's on. Prime Mover, I think, is pretty good. Turn the Page is pretty good. Prime Mover, that's Zodiac Time Warp. And then Red Sector A, I think is under pressure. Yeah. No, Red Sector A is on Grace Under Pressure. Yeah. Grace Under Pressure is really good. How many albums they have, John? 19. 19 if you don't include the covers album. Okay. Damn. That's a lot of material. Mm-hmm. Well, we should probably move on. We've been talking about runs for like 18 minutes. Yeah, so Matt.

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Move on to John. Longest time ever. Did you get to finish though Matt? Was that everything you wanted to say? That's it. I mean as far as new stuff, Downfall, I got a new track out and a new album coming, Lepre Colony, Collapse, Death Engine, also Inherits the Void was something I really dug this week. Yes. Aravu was another one that stood out a bit. Yes. And honestly that fucking Majesty's track blew my mind.

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And like I say, it was kind of a parallel to the older and flames I was listening to, which they also referenced and kind of a little paragraph about it. But yeah, the majesty is fucking, I said, I was like, I fucking, I love this. I can't stop listening to this one fucking draft. Yeah. Okay. I wish we could get Tanner on. We can get Tanner on. He, I don't, I have asked him before. Tanner majesty's obsequia. Oh, right. I can reach out to you and see.

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I've talked to him at Hammerhurt. Yeah. No, I've, I've, John and I've met him. You talked to him at like Shadowwoods? Yeah. Yeah. We've talked, he, he doesn't want to come on. He's not, uh, uh, he was cool about it too. He just, it's just not, he just, he just doesn't like to talk. He's antisocial. So I get it. All right, then John. All right. Uh, real quick, Matt, if you want Witch Hunt live, you could listen to a show of hands, but I would,

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I suggest Time Machine because they play all of moving pictures from start to finish in that show. And I think it's the only time they ever did the camera eye the full version of it too. Because whenever they played it, they always cut apart out of it. But anyway, real quick, not much to say. I've listened to a lot of non-metal. I'm so sorry, John. I don't think it's an expurgated version on moving pictures. I think it's the whole thing, isn't it? I mean on YYZ. They've always cut a piece out of it. Yeah, in the middle.

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All right, you're going to make me go listen to that. Yeah. It's real slight because I think the song, the song's like 11 minutes, but I think they only play like 10 and a half or something. It's always been this thing about them. I don't know. Cut out that 30 seconds. Oh, well, if you're a Rush fan, I mean, for 2112 for years. Hey, no, I'm not mocking you. No, no. It's funny. For years, they were like, well, it's the first time they played 2112 in its entirety. It's like it's 20 minutes long. Anyway.

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I want one mentioned one album from 2002 and I have Jay to thank for this. It's a band I just could not get into. I tried so hard and Jay said, check out their latest. I think you'll dig it. And I did. That's Elder in Eight Passage. Fucking love it. It is really good. And I got the previous one, but I think I like proggy Elder more than kind of do me. Yeah, this is way different. I mean, not way different, but it's different. This is definitely a slightly different direction. I just like it better personally. Just man.

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I know other people like their older stuff. So thank you, Jay. I appreciate that. We've already mentioned Ashton Horde and Oak Pantheon. Two albums. I've only listened to Ashton Horde, I think, once. A little bit made one and a half times in Oak Pantheon. I've given a number of spins. Not a metal band, but it just came out. Riverside's new album, Idea Entity. I'm a huge fan. I've been on with them since the ground floor when I first heard them 20 years ago. And they're one of my favorite prog bands.

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They can't, but I mean, that's just, but they didn't, but they didn't, but that's what we like to say about our favorite bands. They could do no wrong. So then we find ways to nitpick, which is really funny. Um, the band I heard a couple of days ago, full, I've been waiting for this cause I've heard a couple of sample songs, but I heard the full album and I was just like, fuck this band put a marker down for, for the doom album of the year. And it's just January. And that's tribunal, the weight of remembrance from 2019.

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I was just gonna say Beauty and the Beast.

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It's in the umbrella, but her vocals are haunting and they're richer and deeper and they're darker. She's not like an angelic singer at all. That's not enough. She's a great singer. But I think she fits the music because it makes the music even darker. And his harsh vocals, they're not like, was it Aaron Stainthrop? Is that his name? Yeah. But they kind of remind you of his vocals because I don't think people remember. He used to have some serious harsh vocals.

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early on. But it's cool. And they incorporate cello. So all these bands are incorporating new wind instruments and string instruments. Cello. Cello. But it doesn't overpower the sound at all. It's part of the sound. And there's some really good heavy riffs. It's very good. It's very good. So we can thank our brother Justin for this one. Justin Riley Velez. I like to say his full name. Yeah. Just because we love him so much. He sends me a message last night.

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And he asked me about an album and he asked if I heard a single from a certain

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Eson. I had no idea. What? Yeah. So Contorted Monuments. I hadn't done the single was out. So I guess he has a three song EP coming out soon. So thank you, Justin. It's cool. It's Eson. What the hell, Justin? Why didn't you message me, you bitch? Because he was messaging me this time. Spreading the wealth. Yeah. It's typical Eson, newer Eson.

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But he's really getting into the whole rock thing. All his newer stuff has a very interesting... It's still Ysansan, but he's digging the rock. I mean, when I saw him last time, he played a Lenny Kravitz song during the show. What? It fucking slayed. Which one? I'll look it up here and I'll tell you in a second. He covered the song too, I think. Are you going to go my way? The worst lyrics I've ever heard.

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I want to fly so very high into the sky like a dragonfly. Dragonflies mainly hover over stagnant ponds. So I don't know what Lenny's talking about. So that that's that might have something to do with weed and shit, you know, but anyway, I read the Lenny Kravitz book. George, you were asking. He did Rock is Dead. Oh, OK. And he also played Wrathchild by Maiden in that show, too, which was nice. Yeah. And last but not, we already talked about it.

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Just a boatload of Jeff back since his passing. Which I always, I listen to those three albums all the time anyway. I mean, they're in my rotation. But even more emphasis on listening to them, so. All right. That's it. I only focus on the newer stuff that I've listened to. Sure. So. Jason. So, for some reason, I've been, well, not even for some reason, I got my,

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Pink Floyd, Green Masters, Dark Side of the Moon, and Animals recently. 2018 mix, Jay? Yeah. And so I'm kind of in that mood right now. So good. Especially those two. Yeah. Probably my two favorite Pink Floyd albums. But above all else, I've been listening to Jeff Beck's song. I'm going to do a fairly short deep dive here and just name all the ones that I've really been giving attention

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So we'll just start with the list here. Blow by Blow,

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Live at Ronnie Scott's, Truth, Wired,

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let's see what else, Darren Beck,

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Jeff Beck's Guitar Shop, Live at the Hollywood Bowl,

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Jeff Beck with the Yon Hammer Group,

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and who else? Those are probably the ones I've listened to the most lately.

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Yeah, fucking Jeff Beck did that,

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and watching a ton of Jeff Beck shit on YouTube.

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I just went down a rabbit hole.

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I mean,

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he's on there playing with the fucking beach boys.

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John McLaughlin,

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as I mentioned,

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John McLaughlin,

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as I mentioned,

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he's,

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he plays some,

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so many good performances.

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Did you see the ZZ Top stuff?

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Did you see the ZZ Top stuff?

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The ZZ Top stuff?

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The Grange?

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Yeah,

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the Grange.

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Jeff's a big car guy,

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as previously mentioned,

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and he wouldn't write songs about cars and stuff

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because he thought Billy Gibbons had it so right. And then they started to not feature the ZZ Top car for a while and that's when he started having records called Jeff Beck's Guitar Shop. Jeff Beck built from the ground, well not from the ground up, he bought a body, but he built the car from American Graffiti because he couldn't buy it. He built it with his own two fucking hands. He was a big hot rod guy. And then I just, there's just so many good things on YouTube and I was quite sincere when I said I just enjoy listening to him talk and that's been true.

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since well before he passed. There's this one stupid show called Car Crazy where they interviewed him. And he just talks about building these hot rods. And I recommend you watch it because he's just so humble and sweet. And you can tell he's talking about somebody he's passionate about. And it's just great. And my mind's blanking a little bit, but I must have watched him performing with other people. You know, like there must be 20 things on YouTube I watched over the last, well, since he died. And the guy, you know, just, it was fucking monster.

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And that's also led to some Jeff Beckadays and shit. Like I've been putting on a little Mahavishni orchestra and stuff like that. But, you know, I wish I had, I wish I could say I was smart enough to have seen him every time he came to town and I did not. But I'm glad. I'm the same way. Me too. I mean, I wouldn't, like honestly, yeah, I'm a fucking moron, dude. You know what I mean? I'm too old. So I don't do shit sometimes, but we didn't know. Yeah. That's my lifestyle.

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Sorry, man. I'm too old. I didn't know. Sorry, I didn't know. But that's really, and honestly, that's going to go on for a while here because it's also, I'm trying, I could never sound like him, but I'm trying to figure out some of his stuff on guitar and stuff too, just notes wise, not tone, volume knob and whammy bar wise because forget it. I can't do that, what he does. Jay, do you know what I just saw of his that I never saw before until the other day? Did you know he plays on Bowie's

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at the Hammersmith Odeon with Ziggy Stardust.

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No.

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He actually comes out and plays Gene Genie.

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I did know he did some stuff.

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He played with every fucking book.

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So you know that's the movie, right?

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They did the Ziggy Stardust live, the whole movie.

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And that's where Bowie proclaims, this is my last show ever.

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What people didn't realize is that's the last show he was doing as Ziggy Stardust.

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Ziggy Stardust.

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Because he was already working on new stuff.

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But he comes out and they did not include that in the DVD or the video or the live album. And I'm watching this. I'm like, what the fuck? And it goes on for like eight minutes, Gene Janney. And Mick Ronson's literally just standing there watching him while he's playing. It's just like, uh. Is he playing Les Paul or was he playing? I think he might have been, yeah. Because I think the Les Paul probably sounded better for that music. Yeah. Two other fast facts about him.

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Jones tried to get him to join. And he said no. And this was, I mean, this was like when, um, before they got Ron Wood. So it was, they were well into their career. And he said no. And Pink Floyd wanted him to join when Sid Barrett died, but they were too intimidated to approach him. When he died or when he left? Or when he left, excuse me. Yeah. Yeah, when he left, sorry. And, um, I was trying to think of somebody else that, there was somebody else that wanted him to play. Also, I thought you'd like to hear this.

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John especially well and George too well and Matt for that matter and that is that him and Alice Cooper in that interview I was talking about he says they both say the best rock drummer that they ever knew of I'll give you I'll give you one guess and this and it's something you know and everything I'm just saying who who amongst the guys that we all love and stuff do you think they thought was the best rock drummer that ever was that they could play with and Jeff

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I did play with him in some... I can't remember what configuration was we played with him. Bonham. He's British. Oh. I thought you'd go Bonham. Yeah. It's wrong. What? Is it Bonham? What did you say, George? I said Bonham. So, now go to number two, who's actually really number one. You gotta be the next guy you're thinking of. I'll be Keith Boone. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah, they both, Alice Cooper and him were both like, there was just, he said, he felt that, Jeff Beck felt that he played drums the way John McLaughlin played guitar. Wow. Yeah. When Keith Moon wasn't clowning around on stage, which he did 95% of the time, when he actually played, you and I, Jay, talked about it, just I'll say real quick, that last performance they ever did was with that radio show. Yeah.

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or whatever they did. That's the one that films where Pete Townsend does the running slide. Was that for the radio or something? I mean, it was just an airplane. They were in a studio for that, and they had a small crowd, but that's the one where the lights go out, and then the lights come back on. It's that famous old scene where he comes running down the stage. It just literally leaps and slides across the stage and throws his arms in the air and his guitar in the air. You watch that. Keith Moon is just like lights out, and that was his last

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If I'm not mistaken, John, I think Jeff Beck was saying he played with him in the Yardbirds. Was Keith Moon in the Yardbirds? I didn't think he was. Okay, I'll look it up. Anyway, please continue on. That doesn't sound familiar. Maybe it was while Jeff was in the Yard. Oh, no, maybe he's on Beck's Bolero. I'll look it up. Is there a good book about the Who? Or a member of the Who? I read the Pete Townsend book. That was good. Okay. Okay.

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I mean, do you want to read about the who then? I think George read the book then, because Pete Townsend wrote all their music. Yeah. And it was a good book. It really was. Sweet. Yeah. Okay. All right. Me? Yeah, he plays drums on Dax Polaro, believe it or not. That makes sense. Especially in that chaotic kind of guitar riff portion in the middle. So that's where he played them. Wow.

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Nice.

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I can Jeff back too.

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I'm so bummed still.

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I am too.

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I really am like upset about this.

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I mean,

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at least it's one of these things that's forced me to sit down and really like do it again,

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you know?

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Yeah.

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I'm sorry,

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George.

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Go ahead.

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Hey.

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And that was everything I'm listening to.

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All right.

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Um,

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so I have a slightly longer than usual,

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but not old school George list.

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Uh,

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First up is the band Ashen. And their Ritual of Ash. This is their first album. They're an Australian death metal band. Justin got me into these guys. And yeah, dig it. It's good. Wait, wait. Sorry, George. Guess who plays bass on fucking Bex Spoleto? Johnette Westall. John Paul Jones. John Paul Jones. Really? Wow. That's like a record, dude. It's Zestual.

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Next up is a band pronounced gold, but it's GGGOLDDD because there's several bands by this name. And the album is called This Shame Should Not Be Mine. It's their fifth album, I think. And they're like a Dutch post-rock band.

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from the previous years, and this is not new. It's a couple years old, I think. But when I finally sat down and listened to this, I was like, wow, this is really good. This is one of my post-year-end albums, and I really, really got into them. I bought a bunch of their albums, and it's very good.

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Next up, it's not out yet, but the band is called Host, and the album is called Nine, I-X, Nine. It's their first album, but this is Nick and Gregor from Paradise Lost. We just got the promo album this week, and it's not metal at all. You can skip Jay and Matt. You weren't going to listen anyway, so. But it's very, very,

03:21:31.460 --> 03:22:01.180
Very like, you know, electro pop kind of stuff, but it's really good. There's some heavy guitars in there once in a while, but I dig it a lot. And moving on to our post year end, you know, trying to do something different than metal. I did do a Led Zeppelin deep dive of their ass end of their catalog, which would be presence.

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In Through the Outdoor and Coda. And I did this because I picked up the whole catalog in high-res 2496k audio. And Presence was surprisingly good. It's a fucking great album. I love Presence. Despite the fact that there's not a lot of hooks or anything, musically it's really good.

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Vocally, eh. But musically, it's very good. But what was that, eh? There's just not a lot of vocal hooks from Robert Plant on the album. He also wasn't singing that good at that time. But the music is amazing. It's like one of the first prog metal songs ever. Kind of. It really is. For Your Life. Yeah, no. Great album. I was like, wow. I was impressed. It was a very good album.

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I don't like it as much as everything else but it's better. No of course but it was still surprisingly good. Into the Outdoor yeah you know I like the hits but yeah. Oh wow really see I like Casa Ramba whatever you say. Yeah no the long one yeah. And in the evening I think it's awesome. I like Fool in the Rain and All of My Love and the rest was okay. Hot Dog is no. Yeah and then Coda.

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Yeah, it's their two-step. And then Coda, the compilation after they finished was just meh. It was not. Actually, did you get the standard version or the full version? So the full version, remember they released everything when they remastered all that? They made a big production out of releasing this stuff all in vinyl again. I think it's like three discs, so it's all the stuff that they did. Yeah, no, I have that, but I only listened to the original tracks. It's much better.

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It's got, it's got, um, there's a really, there's one really good lost track that came out on our general. It's called the girl I left. I'll have to look it up. I like the Bonzo Montreau thing. The drum thing. That was cool. But Bonzo's Montreau. Bonzo's Montreau. Yeah. Working in Groove is kind of a cool cover. That version of, uh, I can't quit you baby on there. Yeah. But I mean, that's not like new or anything. That's from a song. It's, you know what it's from? It's from the sound check on the

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That is so good. That is so good. It's insane how good that show is. Yeah. But not a new song. It's also got Wearing and Tearing on it. I like Wearing and Tearing. That was not bad. That was all right. That was probably my favorite of the regular tracks. So anyway. I have to pull that out. Yeah. Yeah. So next up mentioned by John the Riverside album ID Entity. Their eighth album. I really

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I really, really, really like this album. I listened to the whole thing a couple times. I dig it. Nice. So you're welcome, John. Next up, I also got the Sisters of Mercy three studio albums on high-res definition. First and last and always Floodland and Vision thing. And so I was listening to that a lot because I really, really like the Sisters of Mercy. Floodland's awesome.

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Yeah, that's the best one. And from our friend Dan Clancher, I picked up Thy Darkened Shade, Liber Lucifer 2, Maha Prahla, Prahla. It starts off Latin, ends up Hindu. Okay, the album title. Liber Lucifer, you know, I mean, Liber, that's like kind of,

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And then Mahapralaya is Hindu. And it's their third album. They're a Greek black metal album or Greek black metal band. And wow, this was surprisingly good. Thank you, Dan, for mentioning this one. It was extremely impressive. It's good. He actually named it his album of the year already. I know. I saw that. He said it was in contention. Yeah.

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It's good. I don't know if it's going to make album of the year. No, but it might make my list because it is really good. It is. There's a lot of talking on it, which I don't like, but whatever. It's still pretty good. Yeah. And my final one is a band called Turbid North and their fourth album, third or fourth album, I thought it was their third album, called Decline. They're a Texas band by way of Alaska. That's where the North comes from.

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They started out in Alaska, ended up in Texas, Fort Worth, Texas. And this is kind of a doomy death album. It starts off more doomy, ends up more death. It's their first album in eight years. I've been a fan of them for their first two albums or three, two or three albums. And yeah, this just came out the other day and I really dig this a lot. So I do you too. You should check it out. I saw you mentioned it, George, and I haven't listened to it yet.

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But I did see on Angry Metal Guy, they gave it like a two or some shit like that. Yeah, well, fuck Angry Metal Guy. Yeah, I mean, they're almost always wrong. They are. They really are. It's crazy. It starts off really doomy and it gets more deathy towards the end. And I think it's because it's been eight years since the last album and it's sort of a progression kind of thing. But if you, I mean, you know, if you like doom and you like death, I think you've listened to the whole thing to like it.

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Yeah. So. Let's do our top five albums.

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And this time we are doing top five albums we are most looking forward to in 2023. Markisan start us off. Yeah. Well, first I want to give a shout out to Looch. We talked about him before, but he sent me this beer. Looch. Lawson's finest liquids. What? Foyston maple imperial stout aged in Mad River distillers rum barrels. I don't. I. He's.

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I was sending him something that he really wanted and I was like you don't have to send me anything

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he's like I'm gonna send you something

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he's like I'm gonna send you this one I was like I don't know about maple because I don't like my

03:29:09.400 --> 03:29:14.940
stout's too sweet but you know what this fucking stout is really good it's very well balanced so I should have

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trusted in the luch I shall never doubt you again

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alright so top five albums are most looking

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forward to in 2023 we haven't done this category in a couple years

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And it's cool to do it now, I think, because there's a lot of great albums that have been announced. So my number five, I think I mentioned this a little bit earlier when I was talking to Jay, it's Megaton Sword. Light and power on dying victims productions. Whenever I need bombastic trad metal with catchy choruses and soaring vocals about victory, then I'm going to Megaton Sword. This is the band that I think of now whenever

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I want that kind of music. And they've released one track. It's good. Solid. I'm just really excited to see if they can match the energy and the passion that they had on the last record, which was great. I believe it was Jay's number one. It was pretty high on my list. So pretty high on this band. Right on. Matt, you're number five. My number five is Wayfarer.

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Because I think they have an album coming out. Thank you. Well, I'll just tell you right now, not on my list, but didn't know. Well, I talked, I asked Wayfair about it. They have played songs on it. I think it is coming out this year. It is. Because I just saw them like less than a month ago and I asked them because they played a new song and I was like, hey, what's the name of that song? We don't know. We haven't named it yet. Nice. That's awesome. So yeah, I love those dudes.

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I love their sound. They're definitely in a genre of their own. You know, the old west black metal. I love them enough. They're good live, man. They're so good live. Or metal. What's that, John? Sper metal. Sper metal. I like it. I like that. Sperm metal. What do you have to corrupt it, George? Because that's who I am. John had a good name for it and you just killed it.

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Hey, if Will was here, he would have done it. I immediately pictured Leviathan from Mastodon. Nice. John. All right. So, my number five, I'm going to give two because I don't know if either one of these are legit. This is the problem with doing this list early on is because you hear a band's going to release now, but are they really going to release it?

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So do it. Take for what it is. Number five is either Judas Priest. They're supposedly releasing an album, but I have no idea if that's going to happen. And the other, and here's the other one that they just dropped a song out of nowhere. Nobody knew this. The ocean just released a new song. And I'm like, is that me in a new album? So I don't know that it's either one or releasing. So I hate to cheat and do two because that's not really fair, but I don't know who's releasing it.

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Who's really releasing an album here? So we can do that. Cause it's our podcast. I've got one like that too, John, but it's related artists. So it'll be my number four. I'm almost certain. I read that the priest thing was in a state of near readiness. Yeah. I hope so. Or at least Rob was like, but it doesn't mean it's going to come out this year though. Because they haven't even given a TBA yet. They just said, Oh yeah, we're working on an album. But yeah.

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Yeah, maybe, maybe. And in the ocean, they caught me by surprise. So. Jay, do you think? My number five is, I mentioned this earlier, it's a hope, it's a hope more than a, I know, but I do feel like it's time and I think some posts on social media have made it seem very possible to me, which is sludge really like to have any records here. I hope so. Nice. Yeah, we're due. Participatory with an asterisk. Yeah, we're totally due for new sludge. Yes, I do.

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That last album is so good. It was number one on the Metal Eds podcast. I think it was in everybody's top five, actually. George. Oh, number five. Anthrax. Supposedly, they have a new album coming out this year. My five and my four are like maybes, you know, not sure. But yeah, totally Anthrax. Cool.

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I think I've heard that one's taken pretty firm shape too George I'm trying to remember Scott said it was supposed to come out this year so hopefully okay nice all right back to mark sound for number four yeah I like that you guys are doing hey we've heard rumors of these albums and we were anticipating them because I had one for that I did not put it on my list but like coroner hasn't said that they're recording you I don't think it's coming out this year

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So I didn't put it on my list, but

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if I knew for sure it was coming out, it would be on my list. Hell yeah.

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All right. So my number four

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is a very recent

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edition. Our

03:34:38.760 --> 03:34:40.400
friend Tom Ballard just announced

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this album last week. Oh,

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all father. Yeah. Truth.

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Oh, awesome. Right on Trepanation

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Records. It's scheduled to drop March

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31st and the first single

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is being released on

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Monday, I believe, which I didn't

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So it's been a while since we've been pummeled by their fucking

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Brontosaurus riff brush. So their last album came out 2018. Again, another album I thought came out sooner than that, you know, like a couple years ago. It's been a while. He was on here to talk about it. He was on here to talk about it. He was featured in my comic book, Voracious. He did a recipe for dinosaurs.

03:35:24.480 --> 03:35:54.400
meet. So I've had a lot of conversations with Tom. Really cool guy. And I'm very much ready for them to bring back the guitar fire and live up to their tagline, which is beards, metal, fuck you. Yeah. Let's go. Let's go. Looking forward to that. All right, Matt. My number four, Jay, I'm curious if this is your number four as based on a comment you said. It is either King Diamond, i.e. Merciful,

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I don't know which it'll be, but my fingers are crossed.

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Why this?

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Maybe.

03:36:02.460 --> 03:36:04.060
I think King Diamond will happen.

03:36:04.760 --> 03:36:06.420
I also agree, but...

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Well, I'm sure they're happening simultaneously is the word.

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I don't know.

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Well, the Merciful Fate was supposed to be like a song or two.

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Well, he mentioned one of them's coming out before the other one.

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Now I can't remember which one it was, though.

03:36:18.540 --> 03:36:21.060
But I just feel like with all the touring that they've done,

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is Merciful Fate that maybe that would kind of

03:36:23.810 --> 03:36:24.580
change the momentum.

03:36:25.300 --> 03:36:25.440
Yeah.

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No, the Merciful Fate thing is going to be a full record.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Nice.

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Nice.

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John.

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All right.

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My number four actually was announced in a magazine, but it's a TBA.

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So there's some credibility to it.

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And that is the new Horrendous.

03:36:42.860 --> 03:36:43.000
Yep.

03:36:43.340 --> 03:36:43.860
Yes.

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Looking forward to that.

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Why not?

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Not looking forward to that.

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Recently, John, they were here. I saw them not too long ago. So they're geared up. Yeah, they're getting ready. So looking forward to it. H4. Matt, you are exactly right. Merciful Fate, backslash or slash, whichever one I wish I forget, King Diamond. I'm going to put my money on the Merciful Fate coming out first, just as with not a lot to go on, except for I think Matt really hit it with that they just did this round of touring.

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and that kind of thing. So we'll see. Both of them are supposed to be eminent. But, well, I mean, how? When was the tour, George? I think Matt, you went to it, too. The Institute thing. Yeah. Yep. 2019 is exactly right. And they were, in theory, working on the record at that time. So, you know. I love how ever since you guys went to Vegas together, you're completely in sync. We are. Not to be confused.

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with NSYNC, which we also are in NSYNC.

03:37:50.470 --> 03:37:51.240
Yeah, I knew that.

03:37:51.780 --> 03:37:52.940
They're a boy band, you know it.

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Two guys left, we took their spots.

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My number four is another like, will it happen, will it not?

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And that is the Cary King solo album.

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He says it's happening this year, so I'm going to take his word on that.

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He says it's gonna sound like Slayer. And so I'm gonna take his word on that. Was it solo or did he have a band? Well, it's him and Paul so far. Okay. Supposedly they're writing together and you know, blah, blah, blah. So that remains to be seen who's supposed to be singing. Yeah. But we don't know details. In theory coming out this year. So I'm gonna put that my top three are actual real albums. Yeah. That are actually coming out. Same for me.

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I believe it's called

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Kerry Kings Slayer

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is that what it is

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yeah

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it ought to be

03:38:51.020 --> 03:38:51.320
it's called

03:38:51.580 --> 03:38:52.060
Kings Slayer

03:38:52.540 --> 03:38:53.180
Kings Slayer

03:38:53.210 --> 03:38:53.800
oh that would be

03:38:53.960 --> 03:38:54.660
that would be

03:38:54.870 --> 03:38:55.380
fucking awesome

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I'm proud of Tom

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for quitting

03:38:59.260 --> 03:38:59.880
when he wanted to

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and I feel bad for Kerry

03:39:01.160 --> 03:39:01.960
who didn't want to stop

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it's just

03:39:02.740 --> 03:39:03.420
you know that's too bad

03:39:04.040 --> 03:39:05.460
I feel like he had a quote

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just this week about

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or maybe it was last week

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yeah

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like he was nowhere near

03:39:09.790 --> 03:39:10.200
ready to stop

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he's like my idols are still

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touring and we're not

03:39:12.700 --> 03:39:12.800
yeah

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but Tom had to quit

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He's fucking deaf as hell. He had that neck surgery and he was like, he just didn't like being the guy who used to be able to bang his head and couldn't do it anymore. Yeah. I mean, I get it. It is sad that they had to quit, but yeah. You gotta do what you gotta do. I'm sure the new record's gonna be fun. Yeah. Yeah. All right, Markisan number three. Yeah. Matt's mentioned this already and I was surprised by that, but I'm pleasantly surprised

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by it. And also surprised that it's my number three because I didn't even know it existed last year. And its majesty's vast reaches unclaimed on 20 bucks spin. This is a new band by members of Seque and Exorum. It's bringing back that early Gothenburg death metal sound that it mixed the intensity and aggression of death metal with the melodies and the

03:40:14.300 --> 03:40:42.360
twin guitar harmonies of new wave British heavy metal. So like at the gate stuff from Inflames and Matt mentioned like those two albums that I talked about earlier, Oracle and Colony from Inflames are some like my most played records ever. I'd love those records in the 90s. I wore the shit out of those CDs when I was in college. So I'm just really excited to hear a band go back and mine that musical style.

03:40:44.300 --> 03:41:12.820
So as soon as I heard the first single from Majesties, I was completely hooked. I ordered the vinyl. And we were talking about vinyl earlier. Normally I won't do this. I'll wait. I'm not usually buying vinyl like on the first song, especially on new bands. But because I have such an affection for that style and that song was so good, I just went ahead and ordered it. The album drops on March 3rd, so there's not too long a wait for that.

03:41:14.320 --> 03:41:44.160
that song that they put out because I really like it. I'm kind of surprised. I mean, Tanner from Obsequia, that's not, I mean, it's not what he's known for, that style, but that doesn't mean anything in terms of what he likes and what he likes to do. So, but yeah, I'm totally looking forward to that. Yeah, stoked for it. I thought you were going to say NSYNC. Well, they are,

03:41:44.300 --> 03:41:47.780
NSYNC, minus Timberlake.

03:41:49.000 --> 03:41:53.020
To your point, George, I feel like when tenor does something, he does it right.

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Oh, yeah.

03:41:54.040 --> 03:41:57.640
And Majesties is definitely no exception.

03:41:57.880 --> 03:41:58.860
I mean, yeah.

03:41:59.000 --> 03:42:00.600
That first song is so good.

03:42:00.820 --> 03:42:03.100
I mean, I've probably listened to it a thousand times.

03:42:03.320 --> 03:42:05.640
I probably listened to it about 20 times.

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And like 10 of those were like in a row.

03:42:07.920 --> 03:42:09.620
I just kept hitting the play button once it went.

03:42:09.620 --> 03:42:10.060
Yeah, me too.

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And I mean, it really came out of left field for me.

03:42:12.660 --> 03:42:13.980
Like, what the fuck?

03:42:14.100 --> 03:42:43.680
Yeah, because you just don't hear that sound, the old school version of it anymore at all. And for it to sound so relevant. Yeah, let's get yourself. Officially, by the way, you are witnessing the first official start of the next nostalgia wave. Yeah. We get it from time to time, you know, where bands resurrect that. Suddenly all those bands are going to be fell in bigger places again. We'll see. Yeah.

03:42:44.100 --> 03:42:45.640
I'm still over them.

03:42:47.359 --> 03:42:48.320
Over what?

03:42:49.060 --> 03:42:51.620
Over the old school melodic death metal.

03:42:51.760 --> 03:42:57.540
I mean, you know, I mean, I like at the gates and stuff like that, but I'm not ready for another wave.

03:42:57.580 --> 03:42:57.780
Yeah, yeah.

03:42:58.340 --> 03:43:04.740
But I mean, there's bands that are kind of bringing back those sounds like John's number one album, Mother of Graves.

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They're bringing back a sound that we hadn't heard in a while.

03:43:07.620 --> 03:43:10.060
Like nobody's ever really touched that sound.

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And that was a really good album.

03:43:12.960 --> 03:43:14.060
You know, I like.

03:43:14.060 --> 03:43:44.040
I like that bands are like hey here's some shit that maybe could have gone on longer like we could we could have got a little bit more out of it and now we're gonna get back to it I like that idea yeah I I think it's great that people revisit something that was good um yeah George is wrong I'm trying to find my way to the end of the sentence and all right George you should have just

03:43:44.060 --> 03:43:44.220
George.

03:43:46.180 --> 03:43:47.560
You should have one like this George.

03:43:48.400 --> 03:43:49.840
Just two more hand gestures George.

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Oh.

03:43:52.960 --> 03:43:53.720
Machine head review?

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Okay.

03:43:54.460 --> 03:43:54.540
Cool.

03:43:58.440 --> 03:43:59.100
All right Matt.

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All right me.

03:44:00.380 --> 03:44:00.980
My number three.

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Back streets back.

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All right.

03:44:02.480 --> 03:44:04.460
My number three is in Slavid.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

03:44:08.319 --> 03:44:09.900
Sooner rather than later.

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Is there a date on it by the way?

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Yes.

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That is sooner than later. That's nice. Pre-ordered vinyl because if it's enslaved, I'm getting it on vinyl. Call that a POV. Even if it is enslaved. Or a VOP vinyl pre-order. That's a VPO. And the tracks that are released are just really good already. Yep. I mean, you wouldn't expect anything less from enslaved. Come on. Yeah, I'm excited. Yep. All right.

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3. Nobody will know this. That's fine. I made a joke to George that you know there's going to be an obscure prog metal band on my list. And yes, there is. And I didn't see this one coming. It's a band called Ice Age and the album is Waves of Loss and Power. Seriously? I say seriously because I've heard of them. Have you? Yeah. I know them. I'm serious. Seriously.

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They haven't put out an album since 2001. Apparently they got announced to play Prog Power and they had a new album coming. I was like, what? Holy shit, that's a long time ago, John. Sign me up. This is like Cynic-like almost. Or let's see the other one. I like Psychotic Waltz. So yeah, that's my number three. Wow. Yeah, no, I know them. 22 years ago they released an album? The last one. Probably most everybody's got this on.

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somewhere. Matt put it in the right place. Enslaved. Ooh. Really? All right. It's slotted. Well, I know. That's interesting. I'm interested to see why you reacted the way you did, George, because maybe you got it higher. And I mentioned that because I think it speaks pretty highly of my two most anticipated records of the year. Well, I'll tell you, I didn't have Enslaved on my list because I know it's going to be good. So I don't anticipate it that much.

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So it's not on my top five. But it's a good rationale. But my number three is Cattle Decap Terracite. Mentioned, yes, but yeah, totally anticipating that. All right. All right, number two, Moccason. Wow. And then I will repeat what George just said. My number two is Cattle Decapitator.

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Terrasite,

03:46:44.100 --> 03:46:44.720
Meta Blake Records.

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Yeah.

03:46:45.160 --> 03:46:46.140
We mentioned this in the news.

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And like I said,

03:46:49.750 --> 03:46:50.060
you know,

03:46:50.090 --> 03:46:51.380
it was my number two album,

03:46:51.840 --> 03:46:52.540
the last one.

03:46:52.800 --> 03:46:55.620
So I can't wait to see what they're going to do.

03:46:55.760 --> 03:46:57.080
And they always try to do something a little different.

03:46:57.380 --> 03:47:02.740
And what I find interesting is Terrasite is kind of a continuation of

03:47:02.740 --> 03:47:03.780
what happened in Death Atlas.

03:47:04.230 --> 03:47:04.360
Yeah.

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I like that.

03:47:05.040 --> 03:47:06.640
They're thinking about the story.

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Yeah.

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And I love that as a writer.

03:47:09.840 --> 03:47:09.960
Like,

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I just like that they're thinking hey you know let's continue this tale

03:47:15.040 --> 03:47:15.760
of metal

03:47:16.940 --> 03:47:17.040
so

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yeah love the last cattle decapitation

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like I said it's

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my favorite cattle decapitation

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album and it's really high

03:47:26.040 --> 03:47:27.640
and my all time favorite death metal album

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so hopefully this one

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lives up to the last one

03:47:31.920 --> 03:47:33.360
and you know

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can't wait to spin it

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alright Matt

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Three things in a row.

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Trifecta.

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Number two is triple decapitation.

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Nice.

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Parasite.

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Mm hmm.

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Yeah.

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When does it come out?

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I don't remember now.

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I thought it was May.

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Yeah.

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May 12th.

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May I.

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Okay.

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Got a little bit to go.

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But not too far.

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Not too far.

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I mean, listen, we're almost the end of January.

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How the fuck did that happen?

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Yeah.

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I mean, we will see each other hopefully before then, but not long after.

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That's true.

03:48:20.280 --> 03:48:20.560
That's true.

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Pause here.

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Is everybody going?

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Yeah, man.

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I have a ticket, but I'm not 100% confirmed.

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Are you going to just?

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I got life things going on this year that we're probably going to buy a house this year

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and stuff.

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Not probably. We're going to buy a house and life is changing around here. So travel is going to be a little limited this year. Jay, I know what you mean. You're pretty much locked in now for the next 37 years. I mean, we bought a house last year. It's California. He's locking in hard. Well, now I'm sad that Jay's not coming. I thought everybody was coming. I thought they were too. And Matt's not confirmed. What's going on?

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95%. That's pretty good. That's close. More than such expectations. I was actually just looking at flights last night to see what the prices are for it. But yeah, I'm a lock for it for sure. I have a cousin who lives in Philly who has a ticket to go to the show. He's got a ticket to ride? He's got a ticket to ride and he don't care. We met him, right? Yes. Super cool guy in middle head. Very pretty. He's like a medical dude out in Philly.

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Yeah, he is very pretty. Yeah. As are you. Thank you. He's probably prettier, but we're all pretty. And it'll be a pretty good time. Yeah, I'm sad Jay's not going now. We're going to have to Photoshop him in like we did last time. Well, you did a good job. It did look pretty good on that screen. Jay on the TV? Hell yeah. No, I booked two hotels just in case. So, I mean. Well, I'll tell you what. Matt and I still plan on doing Vegas this year.

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I'm waiting for those hotel announcements to come out. Yeah. So that's a good time last year. Wait, so you're going to Vegas one over. You go with Matt, but not with the rest of us. I see how it is. I see how it is. Well, first of all, yes. You guys can come, man. Come to Vegas. I'd love to. I'd love to. Regardless, it's going to be a better group of bands than he's got a decibel this year. And me and Matt are going to be there. Can I just remember?

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I recommended Able Baker Brewing to somebody who is headed to Vegas.

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But is Paradise Lost going to be there? That's the question.

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And will anybody bother to go?

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Bye, bye, bye.

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All right. Where the fuck are we?

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Yeah.

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No idea.

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Matt did number two.

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We had a three in a row.

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So I think it's John.

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So what do you guys call Four Strikes?

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What is that called?

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Is that called a turkey?

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Yeah.

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Or a 4. No, that's a 5. Yeah, I didn't think so, Jack. Just wanted to ask. So, real quick, my number 2 is a band I have never been able to get into, and for some reason I'm getting into them now years and years later, and I'm surprised it's taken this long. But I am actually looking forward to the new Ne Abla Vizcaris album coming out called Exul. I can never get into them, but I've started listening to them, and I'm kind of

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I'm digging them now. Took me a while. I saw them a few years ago. It was very good. Yeah. So I'm looking forward to it to see what they got. Nice. Yeah. That's pretty high on your list too, John. So you really begin to do them. No. This list means nothing. It's just five. I had to put them in order. This list means nothing. It's not the list in my heart. I mean. Jay. Go with the competition. Ooh. Another one.

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Yeah, I mean, what norm need be said, but I'm so glad. I didn't know that was coming. So when the announcement came, I was just like, fuck, yeah, there he comes here. So good stuff. Can't wait. By the way, kind of the cover I like, but it's different than they've taken a couple of weird turns in their cover art in the last two years. So our last two albums. So it was an interesting choice. It kind of resembles some of the older covers. Yeah. Yeah. Because I thought Death Atlas was the best cover they'd done.

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And Terrasite seems like a little step back. It's the same artist, though. That's the weird thing. I haven't seen it. Yeah, I agree. It's not the best cover, but, you know, they're trying to tell a story, so. The story is we're all fuked. Kind of. All right, number two for me is a band called Enslaved and Heimdall.

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forward to that shit.

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I got nothing more to say on that.

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That's it, George.

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Yeah.

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I mean, you know, you know, right.

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You know, I don't know.

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Not really.

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Enslaved.

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Hello.

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Fucking awesome.

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I do.

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I do know.

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Okay.

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Right.

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That's all you need to know.

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So you should people that in Slava thing.

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Everyone's all confused.

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Once you're saying Slava, you are a slave to Slava.

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It is.

03:53:33.320 --> 03:54:02.080
Ketchup. Take your pick. Number one, Mr. Markeson. Yeah. My number one is Funerals. Let the Earth be silent on Prophecy Productions. So Funerals is one of my most favorite bands, but I didn't really see this album coming because their past releases are not

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They've traditionally specialized in this chilling, atmospheric gloom sound that is more like, I guess I would say it's hypnotic shoegaze mixed with an ethereal drone to it. But each subsequent release has gotten heavier and moodier. So there was this specter of metal that hung over them, you know? But I didn't think

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What's that, George? Not to be confused with the funeral doom band Funeral. No, not that band. That's way better, man. Okay. So I didn't actually expect them to incorporate the heaviness that's needed to go to the dark side to become more metal, but I was wrong because on this album, they fully embraced the evil. There's three tracks out for funerals,

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And the band has unleashed a doom storm of darkness and mixed with all the elements that I mentioned earlier. And it's just glorious, haunting, ritualistic doom. I've never heard anything that sounds like funerals. And, you know, it's a strange to me because usually when we talk about bands breaking bad for metal, it doesn't happen.

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Like usually it's the opposite of that. Usually it's a heavy band trying new things and then they move away from the heaviness and then they become more, I don't know, lighter or more commercial like Mastodon or something like that. This band's gone the opposite direction where there are more of like an ethereal drone sound and they've moved into metal, which is awesome because I've already loved the band and now you're going to incorporate like heavy guitars into your music.

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And I love the three tracks that are out now. So it comes out February 3rd. And I'm just hoping that the whole album has that metal to it. So I think it will. Nice. Love it. All right, Matt. My number one, in terms of more modern death, nah, I don't want to use the term modern, newer school death metal, which is obviously a debatable.

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This is probably my favorite band. And I'm excited to hear their fourth album. And that band is horrendous. What a shitty pick. It's so horrendous. I want a horrendous pick. I want a bath. Coming up next on WKMC, this is horrendous. That's not a real good introduction. You're right, John. No, you said that, Jay, at Maryland.

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Death Fest member, you're like, yeah, I wonder if anyone thought about that. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you. We're horrendous. I always laughed when you said that. I was like, it's a cool name, but yeah, he's got kind of, but I love these guys. It's got that negative connotation to it. Yeah. I love it. They're so good though. They're freaking awesome. Yeah. All right. My number one, probably potential number one of the year.

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Slaved. Oh, yeah. I don't know that bad. Wait, what? It's called He I'm Doll. Oh, yeah. I believe there's death core. The most Norwegian word ever, Heimdall, is like, that's like the subtotal of the Norwegian language in one word. Yeah. All I know is I'm like Idris Elba, beautiful eyes. I mean, it's so crazy. Is there a band?

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That affects us more than enslaved. Like, it's always going to be on the list. I can't imagine that it wouldn't make our top list. Except for Will. Except for Will. But I mean, you know, whatever. As far into their career, E was our number one album of the year. And then, you know, and then the last one was least in the top five. So, because my number one, all of that. I embarrassed to admit, I can't remember the name of your last one. Was it a Norwegian thing?

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I remember that because I think that was the first year-end that I was on. You guys are doing that. All their albums since we've been on, Jay, have made the list. Yeah. In times E. Wait a second. John, we didn't do our stats. Oh, yeah. We'll come back to that. We got to do that at the end. All right. Well, we'll move forward. Let's move. I'm getting tired. Yeah.

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I'll say mine and I'll just be brief because I'm a I'm showing this off but be able to

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recommend it to man who's doing his deep dive this um anthrax is um it's called kings among

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scotland and it's the live dvd live cd highly recommend this nice and it's um the first the first um set part of the set is all stuff from well all the records and it's got among the living in total but it's also got a couple songs from it's got writing lightning on it and um

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Evil Twin, Blood Eagle Wings, Medusa. It's really cool. Shown it off because mine is signed. Look at that. What's your number one? Well, Markisan, you were right. I mean, I only place this above Kevly, Kev and Enslaved because they are so well set at this point that I know their record's going to rule. And I just want to see if this next band can pull it off three times in a row. Make it ten sword. Can't wait. I just love those first two records.

04:00:01.900 --> 04:00:03.900
so much and if they can hit out of the park again

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then they're officially like

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on my list you know what I mean

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so we'll see what happens but I'm really excited

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to see what they the first singles

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is good you know oh I didn't know there was a single

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so I'll go check it out already yep

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okay cool thanks yep

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George all right

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so I'm

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my number one I'm kind of surprised I haven't

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heard it yet I'm sure if Will was

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here it would have been his number one

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um and that would

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be Metallica's new

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Yeah. 72 seasons.

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That's awesome.

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You just froze, George.

04:00:38.130 --> 04:00:39.240
Yeah, you totally froze, George.

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I did.

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I think it's too much.

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You're too drunk.

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Did he say Metallica or what was that?

04:00:44.760 --> 04:00:45.040
Yeah.

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I'll do it again.

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My number one is Metallica 72 seasons.

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Are you serious, George?

04:00:51.860 --> 04:00:53.280
I am absolutely serious.

04:00:53.520 --> 04:00:55.560
The first two songs are fucking awesome.

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I don't care what Will says.

04:00:59.540 --> 04:01:28.460
I have been a Metallica fan since the early 80s. I continue to be. I mean, yeah, I don't like Saint Anger like everybody else. I don't like Lulu like everybody else. Reload mostly sucks. But you love Reload. I know you do. I like a couple songs off Reload. I know you love Load. I like Load. I do like Load. Who doesn't love Load? He said Load. I did say Load.

04:01:28.460 --> 04:01:58.200
But hey, the first song, whatever it's called, is really good. And I really like the second song, Screaming Suicide. Very good as well. Yeah. Are they doing the back-to-back thing near you? Yes. They're not. They're not coming anywhere near here, so I will not see them. You can go out to my house and stay with me. I would love to. Okay. According to them, they're going to tour for a shitload of time. They may not keep doing those back-to-back things,

04:01:59.759 --> 04:02:26.840
You may get your chance, yeah. Do you want to hear a confession from me? Yes. Yes. Always. So, like, I haven't really liked the Metallica stuff. However, I've been in the vinyl club since they started it. So I have all the vinyl singles that they put out for the last few years. And they're great. Yeah. They're really good. Is this true? It's so true, Matt. I got every single one.

04:02:28.500 --> 04:02:58.440
They're taking a break actually this year because they're putting out the albums. They're not doing the vinyl club, but I have all of them have come out since they started doing it. And most of them are like, it's old school stuff or live or whatever, you know, this feels like a separate podcast on itself. I'm sorry. I don't know how you can't like that. I mean, I like Metallica. I do. I even I like the black album, you know, it's fine. That's all you need to say. But yeah, the new two new

04:02:59.260 --> 04:03:28.440
I like them the first one is better for sure it's back to you know master puppets or something I'm like what are you talking about no yeah but it's kind of almost a hybrid of uh of old school and new school which is good enough that's better than what we've gotten I go school riffing on it the rest yeah yeah I'm okay with that because they've moved so far past their metal roots so if they can come back to it a little bit and kind of merge that that I'm

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I love you guys.

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Let's get John into some stats so we can get him into his.

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All right.

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John was going to just like not tell us stats,

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but I fucking remembered.

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Do it,

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John.

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Do it,

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John.

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Do we want to do that first or pick the album of the episode?

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Do it now.

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All right.

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That means I got to change my screen here.

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All right.

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Get to the file.

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It's Trevor.

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Get to the.

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down for the whole cast and then threw us off. Get to the file. All right. So this is going to be like just you're going to be the early part of this podcast. You'd be like, all right, so here's our stats. Like, why is he so tired after the first thing? No, I'm not. I'm not even enthusiasm right now. I'm not moving it to the front. Y'all can just fucking listen to it now. Fuck editing. Fuck editing. All right. Let's keep this short. So here's our.

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Or statistics. I do this every year just because I find it fun to see. And because we like it. Yeah. See what our musical preferences are and see if we have any trends each time. So I will keep this short because I know we're all tired. At least I am. And I'm short. We have, there's 150 albums that we select between the six of us. If you count 25 times six. And we had 99 individual albums.

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which I think is our most ever. Maybe not. Wow. Yeah, it's a lot. From 26 countries. We had a few international bands. And that's, you know, where there's members from different countries. And 60 labels. Damn, that's a lot. That's a lot. So we had each continent. Well, except Antarctica. We had a band. Somebody selected a band from each continent. So we had bands. We had a band from Tunisia. So Africa got picked up.

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We've got bands now all the time from Asia, which is cool. Australia, I expect. And Markisan and I had one from South America this year. Anyway. All right. So let's move on. So just real quick. I'll say, you know, the U.S. is always the country. It has the most albums every year. This year, I like to break them up, but I'll give you both. United Kingdom, because, you know, we're supposed to officially say United Kingdom.

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But I love football

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So if those teams

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Can play in the World Cup

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Or the countries

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Can play in the World Cup

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They get their own

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Little spiel here

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But anyway

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Ten albums

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From the United Kingdom

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Eight from England

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One from Northern Ireland

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One from Scotland

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Canada had seven

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Germany had six

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Sweden and Finley

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Usually the suspects

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Five and four

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So

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Who is the world traveler?

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We're getting there

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Alright

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Let John do his thing

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George

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Come on

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All right, so, uh,

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well, that's funny.

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You should bring that up because that's the next section.

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All right.

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So by individuals,

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Markisan had, uh,

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eight from the U S and 11 different countries.

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Canada was your place of,

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of residence this year.

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Love Canada.

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Yep.

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Matt had, uh, 11 from the U S 12 countries.

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He also hung out in Canada with you.

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Uh, I had eight from the U S 11 countries.

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And I had like a whole slew of like four or five,

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I think four countries with two each, so I'm going to name them all. So I was all over the place. Will had 12 from the U.S., 10 other countries. He hung out in England or the United Kingdom, whichever you want to say. Jay had 10 from the U.S., 11 countries. Jay was all German this year, which if you know what Jay likes, that makes sense. Scheisse! I was concerned. No, I mean that's a positive, Jay. I mean that's positive. And George, U.S., 10, 11 countries.

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And apparently everything's going on in Canada this year. So you were up there too. So who's the America fuck yeah? Will wins the America fuck yeah. He had 12. And then. Who's world traveler then, John? And our global citizen is Matt with 12 different countries. Nice, Matty. Only half of which were made up. Well, that's a good point. I need to go back and check because we might have a different global citizen there.

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Some of those countries aren't made up too, John. Bands and countries. Krav Magistan. Shnazanazistan. It's the Gestapo award. You just say In Slavistan? Slavistan. Nice. So we go to the labels. Like I said, 60 labels. And then I think we had nine different albums that were self-released.

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There's quite a few. The usual suspects for the albums that we had from the most from each label, Nuclear Blast, Prosthetic, and Willow Tip, we had five individual albums from there. Metal Blade had four. So it's the usual suspects there. I did not put together anything for all of us because there were too many albums that were self-released and then also released by a label. And we all kind of mixed them up.

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And so I was like, well, which one do I choose? Because we all are seeing these albums a certain way when we get them. And there were some that were like the Falls of Roars is actually officially released by two different labels. Yeah. Equally released. Well, which one do I choose? So I didn't do anything for us individually for that because we all were selecting different things and that's, you know, that's fine. So that was our big thing. The usual suspects make up our, our labels. All right. So,

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Podcast Love Connection.

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If any of you are old enough to remember Chuck Willery.

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See you back in 2 and 2.

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Chuck Willery.

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So Matt, what happened on the date after that?

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If you remember the couch.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Here we go.

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We'll start with Marcus Sahn.

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Marcus Sahn's most love was with Matt.

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Ooh.

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You guys matched with seven albums.

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We do live close.

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Seven.

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That's pretty good.

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Your lease is with George.

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Two.

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That makes sense. So Matt's

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most love was with Jay.

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Twelve albums. Holy shit.

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That's actually a lot.

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Yeah, because they went to the desert together.

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That's why.

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Yeah.

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We did our list together.

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The desert.

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And the least for you, Matt, was me.

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Four.

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Oh.

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Right.

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My most was with George.

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Ten.

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Really?

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We seem to like a lot of the same albums this year.

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Surprising.

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Here we go. My least. Not surprising at all. Will. One. I know. We both agreed on cosmic future faction. So Will's most is with Jay. Eight. His least, again, with me, was one. Jay's most is with Matt. Twelve. His least was with Markisan four. We're repeating ourselves now because we're going down the list. George, to me,

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That was his most and his least was Markisan two. So the Get a Room Award goes to Matt and Jay with 12. Yeah, we will. I think it should be called the Get Another Room. Yeah, Get Another Room, which you will this year. Get a presidential suite. But it's interesting, too, because my biggest match was seven, which is by far the least, and that was Matt. So I'm picking, like, the weird shit. Well, so that's where we come next to our award.

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And our first award is the Wilson Award, a.k.a. Volleyballs. Marc-Asan had 14 volleyballs. That's a lot. Matt had 10 volleyballs. I had 12. Will had 14 volleyballs. Jay had 10. And George had 11. So Marc-Asan and Will are the Wilson Award winners this year. Interesting. I don't ever won the Wilson Award, but sharing it with Will.

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I came up with a new one. It's called the Metalheads Podcast Great Prognosticator Award. And that's who had the most in the top 25. I don't know if we've done this before. Interesting. No, we never have. So Marcus, you had eight in the top 25. Interesting. Matt had 13. Whoa. I had 13. Will had nine. I knew it was going to be me. Jay had 16.

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So fucking commercial. And I wasn't anywhere near it, right? I had like two. And George had 12. Oh, yeah. By far the least. I knew that would happen. My albums are weirder. Yeah. I dig deep. So, Jay, you are a great prognosticator. And there's a joke behind it. I worked with a guy. He used to walk around. He'd say, yeah, that guy is a great prognosticator. He could see the future. I was just thinking it was really funny. Somebody said that. Oh, yeah.

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New Mastodon should be your favorite band actually. Jay is the prog-naz-tacator. He's the prog-naz-tacator. All right. And the most coveted award. The Jay Award. We only had one and it went to me. It always goes to you, John. No, actually, no. That's not true, actually. At the mid-year, it went to you. We didn't do them at the mid-year. But we didn't do mid-year.

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That's fine. That's literally only one. Yeah, just one. It was Goat Whore. Oh, right. Usually we have like two or three. But this is so many albums. I mean, it's tough to have all six people. I mean, you have to have five people having one album and one person not. We had so many albums. 99 albums. I mean, you said 99 out of 150 were unique. 99 albums on the wall.

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99 albums on the wall. Oh my god, I thought you were going to sing 99 Blue Red Balloons. 99. I really wonder what it's going to happen this year. I love that song. I mean, I don't know, we'll see. Last year was a really good year. I felt like there was just a ton of great albums that can go any which way. And I don't know how it's going to shape up this year, you know? My takeaway is lots of albums, lots of bands from around the world.

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from places we normally don't have bands from. It's not that they're not there. We just traditionally never have them on our list. Yeah. You know, and a lot of labels, more labels every year. Yeah. Super diverse in a lot of different categories. That's crazy. That's cool. Well, thanks for doing that, John. Yeah. One of the things I really want to do is to do that comparison to decimal. We haven't done that yet. I know you were talking about it, John, but we have never actually done it. So how close we'd be. This is, uh, this will be what for you, Marcus, on,

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4th or 5th? 4th year end? I think it was 2018 was my first. 18, 19, 20. Okay, so we do it this year. It'll be 5 years. It'll be kind of cool to see for 5 years. Yeah. I'll start working on that and then we'll put it together. That's great though. I love the stats, John. So thanks for taking the time on that. Yeah, thanks, John. Oh, sure. And of course, I went through them fast because I'm like just rock tired.

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Skip it unless I brought it up.

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Let's do our albums of the episode fast so we can.

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Yeah.

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GTFO.

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Absolutely.

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All right.

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Mark us on album of the episode.

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Yeah.

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I'm going to go with cattle decapitation death Atlas.

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Cause it was my number two.

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And like I said,

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it's one of my favorite all time death metal albums.

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Just love it.

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And I'm very much anticipating the new one.

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So death Atlas by cattle decapitation.

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Yes, if I don't choose it, I lose millions of dollars. I lose Leviathan by Mastodon. But if I wasn't going to choose that one, it would be Remission by Mastodon. If I wasn't going to choose that one, it would be A Farewell to Kings by Rush. Yes. We have time for you to go through every Rush album if it wasn't that one. Yeah, I love that. We had that one episode where we were talking about the Rush albums and I mentioned Farewell to Kings and it was

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It was John's favorite. And it was like,

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we should get an award for that for coming together on that one.

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That was really special, special moment.

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Can't go wrong for a six year period with them.

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All right.

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So my album of the episode is going to be Tribunal,

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the weight of remembrance.

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I, um,

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Mark,

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as long as you mentioned it when you mentioned mother of graves and all

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these not dead genres,

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but you're seeing some of a resurgence in newer bands,

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older genres.

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And I love that early, mid, kind of death, doom, death, or doomy sound from the 90s. And so it's another band, Tribunal, Dream Unending, Mother of Graves. I'm loving all these bands. And they're not copying anything. They're just kind of enhancing. I absolutely agree. They're taking something that happened in the past and then kind of making it their own. You know, you definitely hear that sound, but it sounds fresh. Yeah. Tribunal, that album's really good. So I've listened to it a couple times now. Yeah.

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We'll see.

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That might be my album of the month.

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Maybe.

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We'll see.

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Yeah.

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We got a little bit more time before you have to decide, John.

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Yeah.

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A little bit.

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Well, I don't know.

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After Trevor got snippy about us not all having his last album on our top 25 on

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majors, he bounced that one.

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I made Jay him.

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Jay that bitch.

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We love you, Trevor.

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We do.

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Yeah.

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Jay.

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As soon as I stand up from this and get my sore ass out of this chair, I'm going

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I'm just sitting in my sink and I will be listening to Jeff Beck's Wired album, which was already mentioned in the episode. It will be my album of the episode. In memoriam. Just turn it up for lead boots, baby. Yeah, baby. Yeah, yeah. It's so fucking good. It's so good. Yeah, I'm going to go straight there. That's a good suggestion. I think my album of the episode shall be Scala, the secret.

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C. Oh, nice.

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Because George messed it up.

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Because I messed it up.

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This should have been on my year-end list.

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It was not by my goof.

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So it is my album of the episode.

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I almost feel like you have to put it as your number 26 at the year end.

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Totally.

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Honorable mention at least.

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Yeah.

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Post-honorable mention.

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It's a very good album, though.

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I'm not saying I was surprised when I listened to it, but I was a little bit because I didn't know it was going to be as good as it was. Yeah. Or is. Yeah, definitely. All right. Here we are. The end of January. We did it. We did it. Nobody's allowed to die in February. What? No dying. Nobody's allowed to die in February. No die in February. No. But we will be back.

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in February for another episode.

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Absolutely.

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Yes.

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All right.

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All right.

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You got some doubles.

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All right, friends.

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Be good.

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Enjoy your Sunday.

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Peace.

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See you next time.

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Bye.

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Bye.

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Later.

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Metalheads Podcast, I just want to say thank you for being a perfect representation of the ratio of the metal community. That would be 83%.

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I like the black album.

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The black album.

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The black album.