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Now, here is the Podcast Metal Heads Podcast.

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Hello and welcome to the Metal Heads Podcast.

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My name is George.

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This is Jay.

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This is actually Will.

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What?

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Welcome back, Will.

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This is Markisan.

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And this is Sam.

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Bam! Who the hell's Sam? Today we are joined by our new friend Sam. How are you today, Sam? Sorry for jumping in, George. No worries, man. We roll with it. Hi, everyone. I'm doing really well. Thanks for inviting me. Super excited to be here. Awesome. So, just an FYI, you didn't hear Matt. Matt is out doing familiar things and will be here in a little while. You never can tell. Matt just pops up once in a while.

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So we met Sam at this year's Maryland Death Fest. And we got along really well right away. And immediately, as we always do, we're like, hey, you got to come on the podcast. But before we talk about anything else, I want to toss this over to Will and have him explain how we met. So yeah, we're standing by the car in the parking lot at MDF. And I see this tall drink of water coming around.

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And I forget what, you must have had a t-shirt on or something. Maybe it was just those baby brown eyes you had. And I'm like, I need to talk to this guy. This guy is going to be fun. And so I just walked right up to him. I think I hugged him. I may have given you a little kiss, maybe a little nibble in the ear, something. There was something. Yeah, I think considering our age gap, you definitely thought these were baby brown eyes. And yeah, you definitely, you saw me in a gray mugwa shirt that was wearing,

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this is the most random phrase

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I've ever heard in a parking lot, but this seems to be a friendly crew. So. Yeah. What'd you think about that? It's just some random guy coming up to you in a parking lot. Yeah. You look lonely. That sounds like an ABF. You want some candy? It's in my van. Yeah. Like I said, that's how horror movies start. Hey man, I just noticed you about yourself over here. Can you help me find my lost dog? Oh, speaking of horror movies, there's one about candy in a van and it's, uh,

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Ethan Hawke is in it. It's called The Black Phone. It's pretty good. I saw something about that. It's on Peacock or something like that. Yeah, I thought it was supposed to be like a throwback to an 80s horror kind of thing. It kind of is, yeah. They're definitely dressed in like the 70s, 80s. Okay. Interesting. All right, so Will walks up. Will walks up, grabs Sam. He's like, you're coming with me. And the rest is history, man. We just took him in.

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and swaddled him and and covered him in metal love and beer and uh and he was never lonely again i was never lonely again i spent the deicide set uh sitting in the parking lot yeah yeah we do tend to spend a lot of sets out in the parking lot if we're not all that jazzed about whoever's playing although i did and actually will you were there for deicide as well yeah i go deicide i'm going in yeah but

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All right. So tell us about yourself. Yeah, I was going to say, give us some background. I know you're originally from India, but now you're in Charlottesville, right? Yeah, go ahead. So yeah, I'm originally from India. I came to the United States as a master's student at the University of Virginia studying biomedical engineering. So my profession is basically designing mathematical algorithms for medical images, especially magnetic resonance images.

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Ph.D. program at Charlottesville at the University of Virginia. Hopefully it should wrap up in the next two to three years. Has Carcass approached you to write some lyrics? Yeah, sometimes. Sometimes, yeah. I just was too young when their Parole Jigsaw or Country album came out, but maybe the album would have turned out different. But yeah, getting back to the point, I came to the States in 2017. My first visit to the States was in 2014.

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as a general electric engineer. I did my schooling in India, worked in India for four years, and then quit my 9-to-5 because I was not quite enjoying the 9-to-5 experience Monday to Friday, and got back to school. And here I am in Charlottesville, thanks to Richmond and Baltimore. My sanity is maintained, and D.C., of course. We have enough number of shows around, so I managed to go around and still stay away from the city.

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the mountains and try studying. So yeah, that's how life is 24-7.

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Have you been to many metal fests or do you like, you know, like MDF or do you just go to regular shows?

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Well, I wish there was more time to go for festivals like DMDF. So MDF is basically DMDF for me through the year. It's the only fest I attend. But otherwise, I do manage going for small shows like, for example, the North Carolina Chainsaw Massacre.

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It was a two day event organized by John McEntee and his wife for his wedding anniversary. That was cool. Yeah. So they had nice. Yeah. They had like six to seven bands. It wasn't a fest, but you know, it was a small show where you had demolition hammer, nuclear assault, incantation. That's a cool lineup for the small show. Wow. That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. This is, I think I know the answer to this, but I'm assuming you were a metal fan in India before you came to America. This wasn't something you discovered when you came to America.

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No, Jay. So 2014, I've been a heavy metal fan since high school, since I was in sixth grade. Back in 2002. So, well, I was born in 90, so you can understand I might be the youngest year. Of course I am. That's the year I graduated high school. John's a little younger than you. There's a big scene there, though, right? I mean, India, I think, has a lot of metal fans. For the size of our population, the metal fans are statistical and

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What I realized is there is statistical anomaly all over the globe. Look at Sam. It's science. Sorry, man. Oops. Oops. It's a statistical anomaly, Captain. But they have like, they have post for instance. But yeah, Jay, not statistical anomaly now. But Jay, I've been listening to Heavy Metal since 2001, 2002. Of course, George had mentioned that we'd be talking about this, so I prepared us

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of course, I got introduced to heavy metal back in India through bootleg cassettes. So there used to be these shops where they used to get pirated CDs and shirts from Thailand and Singapore coming in. And that's the place where people used to go to get all these pooled shirts with all these skulls and dragons and weird folklore and science fiction stuff made in shirts, right? And people used to also print cassettes

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So I remember there used to be, you know, these really bad resolution prints of different cassettes with side A, side B written on it. And we used to just slap up whatever the music store vendor used to give to us. So that's how my interest started, primarily thanks to a cousin who was introduced to heavy metal through a Russian roommate of his. So that's where the root of heavy metal is in my life.

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Sorry for the long answer, but yeah. Do you remember the first thing you heard? Oh yeah, I do. Actually, I laughed because before getting into English music, I never used to listen to English music before 2000 or 1999. So my foray into English music was typical pop charts, you know, Spice Girls, Manga Boys, Backstreet Boys, you name the popular trash. And I was laughing it up because my mom was buying all these compilation,

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Best of 2000 Pop Chart CDs, right? But the first thing, Metal, that I consider that I heard was the Black Album by Metallica. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Get him off. Sorry. I'm sorry. I don't have an exotic answer to that. I knew I would get Metal. I feel like Matt had the same thing. It's more that Will hates that record with his fiber of his feet. You know, I could have said Bryan Adams, Bon Jovi,

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Led Zeppelin, anything. You know, but I'm sorry. That's what hit me first at that age. It's true for a lot of people. A lot of people. If it helps my case, the song that hit me was Through the Never. So it'd be a second song. So at least I had some trash influences there, you know, not just Antisandr. That's a good one to talk about, though, because our top five kind of is about that. What's like the gateway into metal? Like, now you're listening to extreme metal.

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You had to start somewhere. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, anyways, it was Metallica. Black Album was the first one. And then, of course, lots of different ones happened eventually. Sepultura, Pantera, Cannibal Corpse, Cattle of Filth, Death. They all used to be put into the mix and you used to listen and try understanding what's happening. There also used to be something called World Space Radio. I don't know if you folks are familiar

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with something like this. There used to be a

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firm called BPL Music. I think

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British Publication Limited, I'm not sure. They had something called

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World Space Radio. So we used to get radio channels from the States, from Europe,

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from Australia, South America, playing local tracks.

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So that was another way for me to get introduced to music sitting in

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Inderjee back in the early 2000s. I remember that.

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Hey Sam, so when you're talking about these bootleg shops and stuff, could you almost order something like, hey, can you get me the new Sepultura? And the guy's like, yeah, he makes a phone call. Yeah, you can. You literally can. So they have these catalog prints. So randomly you'll get a Burzim shirt and a Bathory shirt, but you won't get a Lambe of God shirt. But then when one day you walk in, it'll be stopped.

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with tons of Lambe of God shirts, different bootleg designs. Some even saying pure American metal, pure American heavy metal. You know, things which you won't get at a show, people getting creative. But unless it's an album cover, it's difficult to get a custom design unless it's popular. But album covers generally you could get. So for example, Sepultura, I remember I got a bootleg Chaos AD shirt. Nice. That's a great cover too.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. The individual getting milked out in the mummy coils, yeah, that's really cool. But yeah. That's not that different from America, at least in the 80s, though, because... I was going to say. I'm sorry to... Yeah, the blue-length shirts at, like, the county fairs and stuff, Joe. Oh, yeah. Yeah, well... It was just like, we were, like, a couple decades before that we were getting it, I guess. Right. I'm like, you're talking about getting cassettes in, like, around 2000? 90s and 2000s. Okay. Because, like, by 2000,

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You should be getting it from the same place everybody else is, like Napster. You know. Illegally downloading it like everybody else in the world. Sam, when you're getting into metal, though, were there other people that you knew around you who were also into that, or is it just something you did on your own? Actually, thanks for asking me the question, Marcus, because that always makes me super happy. It was just me alone. There was no one else.

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That's why it's kind of, it's been my personal friend for a long time, as it might be for a lot of you. So, yeah, so when I got into metal, it was just my cousin brother. He used to share cassettes with me, and my mother was very supportive. Unlike most Indian parents, my Indian parents didn't care about the parental advisory stickers on the cassettes. They used to get cassettes for me, so it was quite supportive. Mom used to buy Sepultura cassettes. Well, she got me the Chaos AD cassette, by the way.

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And yeah, it was my brother. So yeah, sorry, well, you were going to say something. I was going to say like, please don't be insulted by this question, but did your parents speak English? So in other words, could they understand the lyrics? Yes, they did. Okay. They understood exactly what was being said. They pretended to ignore for the first 10 or 11 lessons, stating that the distortion is too high. Then eventually when they get it and the 12th or 13th try, we've already done it 12 times. So the kid is already gone. Yeah. There's no coming.

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I know English is widely spoken there.

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Yeah.

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So much anti-Christian stuff.

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That would have been the thing that would have been a problem in the United States with your folks,

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but that probably wasn't a problem with your folks.

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I mean, they didn't care about.

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Oh, no.

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I mean, as the whole concept was, it was anti-establishment.

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I made sure I explained this to my parents long back.

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There's nothing personal against Jesus.

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There's nothing personal against any politics.

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There's something personal against everything which is organized sometimes.

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I'm an equal opportunity destroyer, as Peter Steele once said.

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Absolutely, yes, yes.

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So Sam.

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But yes, Marcus, that was just my cousin brother.

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Yeah, to answer your question.

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Yeah.

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So Sam, what part of India did you grow up in?

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What town, city?

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Unfortunately, it's the town which is notorious for a chemical disaster in the '80s.

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Bhopal.

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Bhopal.

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I remember Bhopal well. That was a terrible thing. Yeah, so I come from bang in the middle of the country called Bhopal. It's the central part of India. The state is also not very innovative. It's called Central India or Central Provinces. Madhya Pradesh is what we call it. But I've traveled a lot as a growing individual. I have not stayed in one city. So I was there in Bhopal. Then I was there in New Delhi,

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which is the national capital of India up in the north. I spent some years in the Middle East. That's where in fact I went for my first heavy metal show in Dubai, the Desert Rock Fest. And then I went to India in Bangalore, which is the Silicon Valley of India. So in all your travels, like in your hometown, you had this one shop or whatever. I mean, was there multiple shops that you could go to and get heavy metal bootleg?

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where you go and you spend some time and get out. Only there used to be chains. Like Napster, there used to be these physical record stores which were present, but then they all got shut. And only the popular labels could go in there. Like, you know, your Sony and your Universal. You never got your Underground Relapse or Seasons of Mist and all these other record labels then. Is there more there now or is it still kind of the same now? You do have more of them now, especially with around five to six,

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individuals and then they're having import centers because you know our government has you know lots of taxes and different things so it's these guys end up incurring losses if they end up getting cds and they're not able to sell it so a lot of times it's a demand basis where customers who enjoy music reach out to these guys tell them that these are the records we need from these label stores and then they get bulk orders from europe and the us and south america sometimes yeah

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So that's why you wanted to move to America so you could get more fucking metal.

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But you've got...

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Because of the PhD, the metal is just followed.

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It's a pleasant coincidence, yes, yes.

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But India's got transcending obscurity, right?

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Yes, we do, actually. We have transcending obscurity.

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I remember discussing it with some of you at MDF.

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We also have something called Cyclopea and Eye Records.

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They do more extreme metal, more underground stuff like Cult of Fire and Demolish. And then the other record labels. How do you get more underground than Transcending Obscurity? Which is a great label. It is a great label. It's a good label. Yeah, I've heard some things which are really messed up, which are more messed up than regular messed up.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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There's something called war metal.

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Maybe if we have time today,

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we can briefly discuss about it.

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I don't understand why people listen to it,

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but I'm still trying to wrap my head around.

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What is it?

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War metal?

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It's literally war metal,

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like W-A-R, war.

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Yeah.

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War metal.

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I've heard of it,

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but I don't know.

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I mean,

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it can get really extreme,

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but whatever.

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What I'm trying to say is there are labels which have 20 to 30 bands,

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then you have transcending obscurity,

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but heavy metal and then this,

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is concentrated in around six to eight different cities. Yeah. Okay. Interesting. Yeah. So being in Charlottesville, I don't know of many shows down there, but do you get an occasional one or you have to go to like a Harrisonburg or Richmond? Well, Richmond, that's why I said Richmond and Baltimore helped me maintain my sanity. So does North Carolina, Raleigh, Durham. So shows happened there. The recent show that happened in Charlottesville, which is fun.

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I'm sure some of you listen to Elder, the band from Boston. What a cool band. So Elder played in Charlottesville recently and prior to that, Weed Eater played. That was fun. Okay, yeah. But not many shows. Not many shows in Charlottesville. Yeah. It's either like Richmond, D.C., Baltimore. Harrisonburg gets some every now and again. How far is Harrisonburg? Do you know? Yeah, the Golden Pony.

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I've seen Arbitrary at the Golden Pony. That's a cool venue. Yeah, it's an hour and a half. It's almost as a distance as Richmond going to the Golden Pony. Yeah. Well, if you want to come up to any shows up here, let us know. We'll hang. Oh, yes. Oh, you're in Harrisonburg? No, no. In like Maryland, D.C., Virginia area. Oh, definitely. Yes. I don't know if you folks would be going for Catatonia and the likes. Catatonia is touring the United States from Sweden. So I'll be coming up for that.

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keep people posted when I'm dead. That'd be cool. Cool. Yeah. Somebody else cool on that bill. Was there somebody else? The ocean. Who was it? The ocean. Oh, there you go. Yeah, it's Catatomy, the ocean and Seller Darling. And on some shows in Texas, someone's playing with them too. That'd be cool. That'd be a nice show. Yeah. Yeah, just out of curiosity, before we get into the main thing, George, how long has this podcast been going on?

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And have you friends been doing it as something started off as a hobby? So it's been going a little over eight years now. Okay. And it started off with me and another guy. We added Jay. Jay came on for an interview because Jay has a band. Oh, cool. And we just couldn't get him to leave. So he kept coming back. It's the old Ordos question.

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I was on way before Jay. Yeah. I just, I just, I just didn't like stick around like a invited house guest. Yeah. Will was, will was, uh, an occasional, you know, commentary brought in to do lists or whatever. And, uh, I think the first, just to fill this out, I think the first episode I listened to before I was on, Will was up. So I did, I did sort of think it was part of the whole thing. I just had like a year and occasionally or mid year. And then,

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Yeah, I met Will at Jack's, this Northern Virginia little metal club. I don't know, it was probably like an Opeth show or something, death metal. It was the sound of thunder, I think. Oh, okay, that makes sense. And yeah, just sort of hooked up from there. And then through knowing Will, I met John. Because Will was doing the...

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these metal nights at the brewery.

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But, you know, the precursor to holding shows at Atlas Brewery.

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And I feel like it was the yesterday's Saints, like, listening party that I met John.

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At Fairwinds.

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Oh, at Fairwinds.

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Fairwinds, yeah.

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Yeah, because you were doing them before you were in the brewery.

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And I was like, you know, hey, like, a tall drink of water across the room comes up

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and asks me if I'm George.

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And I was just like, well, you know who I am?

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I was like, yeah, fucker, you gave me herpes.

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And I was like, okay, well.

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Did you ask him if he was lonely?

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And I was, you know, I was instantly smitten.

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So I was like, well, this guy's got to be on the podcast.

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The first time I met John, he walks up to the bar at the first brewery we worked at.

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And he was wearing an Opeth shirt.

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I'm like, hey, man, you like metal?

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He looks at me like, duh.

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Duh, you asshole.

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Yeah, of course. Actually, I think it was more like, fuck yeah, you too. And then we kissed and made out right there. Yeah. That sounds more true though, John. Yeah, that's what it was. And then Jen's like, what is wrong with you two? He turns to Jen and whispers ear, I'm going to get free beer out of this. And she's like, keep making out. And then Matt, who's still not here yet, but

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Matt's a fun story because he was a listener of the podcast and back in 2017 which is I guess the year that you came to the United States I went to Germany to the Wacken Festival and and I I said something on you know on an episode or on Facebook or something about hey going to Wacken you know hit me up if you're listening and uh you're gonna be there and Matt was like hey we're going to Wacken too and so I met Matt at Wacken and uh

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We hung out for those couple of days and clearly hit it off. How could you not met such a cutie? A little bit cheap, but cute. Yeah. He should be. It'll be interesting to see how he's at. I was recording while I was there. Oh, yeah, we heard it. I know, I know. It's unlistenable. It's unlistenable. When I got back, I was like, you should come on.

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and like help talk about this and you know one thing leads to another he's a full-time

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member and then we get to mark us on uh another case it's like a it's like a it's like an old lady who

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collects cats meow yeah and they all have some sort of physical problem by the way

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we're all rescues yeah this one's incontinent watch out and uh i don't know i mean maybe mark us i

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I know we put out another like hey if you you know if you ever want to come on

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give us hit us up and Markisan was like hey I'd like to come on and he did and you know who couldn't

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instantly fall for that mohawk I didn't have a mohawk back then all right fine Hawaii so you got inspired by the show

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uh-huh no I mean I'm no no definitely not joke that I'm the only one who actually looks metal on the show

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I went to Hawaii and I just wanted to change my look. I always wanted to try a Mohawk but I was kind of scared to do it. And then I moved to Hawaii. I was like, fuck it. I'm just going to do something completely different. And I love it now. I love doing it. But Hawaii is definitely the place to do it. Then you can go surfing too. Just chill in there with the population. Yeah. Hey, Marcus, I have to take an issue with you saying you're the only one that looks metal because we all look like Hansi from Blind Guardian and that guy's fucking metal as fuck.

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I just thought of us like who do we look like? I just watched blind guardian. I just watched the video the other day. Yeah, I totally look like Shane Embry. Come on. I mean without the hair, but I was just a fan of the show. I don't remember that a few months before and then they put out that call because they'd like to it's all about community here, you know, people on meeting people who are into metal and that's the that's the point.

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So yeah,

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I came on and then they invited me back,

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I think for the year end,

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year end.

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I did that.

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And then I was,

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uh,

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alternate to fill in for will because you know,

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well,

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it's not,

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he's like part-time or really,

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he just phones it in most of the time,

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but you know,

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uh,

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so I would fill in,

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I think I filled him for like one time.

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Maybe you filled him one time.

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You filled him more than once.

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That's true.

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Will's a,

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he's a parent.

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He was working at Atlas doing shows.

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He's got to run the hole. I mean, he's got a lot going on. Divorce, cancer. I mean, well, I came up for all that. But at some point, you just sort of like Jay stuck around. Sam, you'll be the seventh member. Exactly. You don't know it yet, but you might be. This is so cool. But thank you. Thank you. I'm looking forward to this. So can you recommend any good Indian metal bands? Do you know any Indian metal bands? I know. I mean, not no, but like.

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Well, I personally know them in the sense, George, do I hang out with them like that? Personally, no. Well, both. I mean, can you recommend any? Sure, sure, I can do both. So I personally hang out with what is currently the most popular band from India called Bloody Wood. They play fusion metal, as they call it. They combine local folk influences with traditional djent melodies, as we call it.

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And they have this fusion band called Bloodywood. It's a take on Bollywood and Death Metal. Interesting. So they are currently touring United States. In fact, I'll be coming to see them in Baltimore. They're playing in Baltimore if you're interested. When? September 9th or 10th if I'm correct. I'll share with you maybe after the podcast if you're interested. Yeah. That's the most popular band currently. I know the drummer because back in the day they used to come

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for the Wackin Metal Battle from India. One band goes from India to the Wackin Festival. Besides that, there are some really good bands from the east part of the country. There's a band called Third Sovereign. They play Morbid Angel style, Brutal Death. Then there's a band called Cryptos. They play heavy metal, similar to Judas Priest back in the 80s, that kind of a band. And last but not the least, Zik Nima from Bombay.

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I can share it with you over an email but yeah there are some metal bands from India which are stellar really good music are you familiar with Moral Collapse sorry John what's Collapse Moral Collapse are you familiar with that band they're from India Moral Collapse no I haven't heard of them oh really yeah yeah I like I know Moral Putrefaction but not Collapse well the main guy is Arun it's really funny that you mentioned that too John because I just got an email from him yeah and he sent me

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Five Minute Instrumental Demo for their upcoming record. Oh, Moral Collapse. Sorry for my realization. Man, I know this band. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Isn't that like Grindcore? Who, Moral Collapse? Or like Death Crying? No, they're like a technical death metal band. Oh, yeah, I know these bands. Sorry, John. Most of the times I know these bands based on the band members. I know the basis of the band.

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Isn't a guitarist also, he's tied with Subcontinental Records, I think? I'm not sure about the Subcontinental Records, but they're also part of this band called Eccentric Pendulum. That was a big band from India. I think Arun owns Subcontinental Records. Yeah, there's some type. That's the band that Hannes Grossman played drums for. Yeah, yeah. Oh, okay, yeah. That's the band that Hannes Grossman played drums for. Today, he sent me this instrumental for the thing,

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because I had emailed him a couple years ago when that album came out because I ordered the test pressing and then we just started chatting because he clicked on my email signature and he wanted to tell me how much he liked my website. So he just out of the blue, he just sent me this instrumental and was like, you know, I know you're a big fan of the band and I just want to send you this where we're almost done with the record. It hasn't been announced yet, but so actually I should throw that in the

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It's pretty good. Pretty good riffs on it. Actually, there's another

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Indian band that had ties to the D.C.

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area, Sky Harbor.

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Oh, yes. I think there was

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a couple guys here that played

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with them for a little bit.

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Sky Harbor has an interesting story.

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The lead guy in Sky Harbor,

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he started off as a typical

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95 guy who would come back home after

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five, shut his windows down

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and record music and just put it out there.

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If I'm not wrong,

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Marty Friedman reached out to him over YouTube to play with him. And then he also got to tie up with Dan Tompkins. Yeah. They were playing in Skyhark. But I think similar to the United States, I'm not sure if it's typical here, but even in India, most of these bands that you see, they're mostly these musicians who are really passionate about music, but they have more than one band.

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So I think that's the case with Moral Collapse 2. It started off last year. But the bassist does eccentric kind of thing. Anyways, yeah, cool. What about Girish and the Chronicles? Your ACDC band. He's our ACDC guy. Yeah, he has, he's blessed with the wide vocal range for sure. Seeing him live is an experience. I've seen Girish.

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and the Chronicles live several times. He's really good. And of course, they end up covering more of Guns N' Roses ACDC and clean singing, traditional heavy metal, as I like to call it, than other formats. There are a lot of people nowadays, like I said, who are into Bolt Thrower, basically play Bolt Thrower-inspired music. I'd like to mention two bands, you know, which play Bolt Thrower-inspired music.

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in India. One is a lesser-known band called Dvesha. D-H-W-E-S-H-A, Dvesha. They're a bunch of musicians who are scattered, but man, they have a stellar album called Stupa. They sing in their local dialect, their state language, which is Kannada. But you can see both through a top-to-bottom influence through and through stellar music. Another band, besides Dvesha, which uses

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Folk Influencers. Damn it. I'm forgetting the name. Once I recall it, I'll let you know. But the ratio is one band from India, which I'd like to point out for folk. Are they on Bandcamp? I feel like I've heard of them. Yeah, I can just share it on chat. Sure. They just have one album. Oh, I know. I actually, seeing the name now, I do know this band. Yeah. Yeah.

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They're on Bandcamp, Dunklehead Productions. Yeah. I know, I may have even listened, but... Yeah, I remember the other band, yes. War Marshall. That's a band from Hyderabad. Great. We're also into thrash. We do a lot of thrash. So, yeah, 4x4 is going at 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 80, 3, 20 BPM. Piston, Amorphia. These are some new bands from India, which are doing really well for themselves.

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They don't get to tour that often outside India because, you know, of course, you need touring for a band is not that easy always. But within India, they get to tour to six to seven different cities and sometimes go to Nepal or Singapore for a show. So, yeah, these bands are doing well. And I'm lucky to know some of them as a fan because I used to go to these shows and hang out with these kids.

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That's cool. It's like, you know, being there at the beginning of something awesome. Yeah, absolutely. I think that's the best part of the smaller community. It's quite personal. That's what I love about metal, too. Almost every show, even in Chicago, you know, where they have bigger shows, you can go and just hang out with the bands before and after. And, you know, I never liked going to those big stadium concerts. I just, I will, if that's a band I haven't seen before, especially some of the older guys.

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But I really just prefer the smaller shows. I'm going to see Elton John next month. Yeah, it's pretty big. Sam, I was going to ask you, are you planning to stay in America or are you going to go back to India after your schooling is done? Well, that's a loaded question, Marcus. I get asked that question by the CDP, you know, the Border Police. Oh, you found me out.

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Yeah, but anyway, jokes aside, I plan to be here in the States for a few years after my education to see where I can get employed post my PhD. Because I want to become a professor. And there are some universities which do my kind of research here. And the other option, of course, which remains is conducting research in industry. So short answer should be around for a few more years. Markisan, never know where life takes me. Long answer, I don't know.

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After four years where I'll be, where my job takes me, I'm quite open to traveling anywhere. Good, because Marcasson's always looking for a little spoon at these festivals. Oh, I'll be bad. I'll be your spoon. Hopefully you're not bad. I'm always the little spoon. I'll be the spoon that disappears, you know. Well, you know, they've announced Decibel 2023 in April.

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So maybe we'll see you there. It's in Philly, but you know. Oh, for sure. Let me mark these out. So another reason why I never went for all these festivals, to be very honest with you, George, is after a while, four-day fests with 100 bands in two different stages. When you don't know anyone, you're just like, let me go for one or two bands. It's okay. Oh, believe me, I know. It's short because after the second or third day, it gets really intense, you know. That's why you need a bunch of dipshits to hang out with and drink beer.

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To drink beers and find lonely people in parking lots. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, if I go to, if I can, the previous MDF that I went to before they brought back the Edison lot, I think it was 2018, 2019, or maybe 2019 was maybe that was the last one I went to, but it was like the first day I had John and I had will. And then the second day I had John. And then the third day I was on my own.

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I just said fuck it and left like halfway through

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because I couldn't do it by myself.

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I'm like, I'm bored.

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The problem is when you go with your friends, though,

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you end up seeing like two bands.

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Yeah, but you...

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That's the problem when you're going with friends, Jay.

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I agree.

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I was married to see at least five more bands

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on the last day of MDF,

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but instead I was enjoying five different beers

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in the parking lot.

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Yeah, that's true.

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That was true.

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I think I go to most prog powers by myself.

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You know, I've been to 20 of them,

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But then, from going to everybody else, it goes to Prague Power. Oh! I don't get hands there. Mom! You're just more metal than me, John. I'm a social concert goer. I'm like Stacey. I have to note that I have dubbed Stacey the metal queen of the Midwest because she goes to every fucking show in Chicago. I'm going to shows with her. Yeah, I know, I know. I don't mind going by myself. Yeah, she doesn't either, and I'm like...

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I can't tell you how many shows I've bought tickets for by myself and then day of the concert comes up and I'm like meh I'm just gonna eat it I don't feel like going yeah but I mean Sam's right though a festival's different because it's days it's the four day thing you know a single one or two days definitely going there alone is great going to MDF alone yeah that would be tough you know what's what's interesting is I used to go to all these shows alone but now that I run all this stuff at Atlas like

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I can't go to a show and not know 10% of the people there. Yeah, well, that's what happens at Prog Power. At some point after X number of years, you're like, I don't even care if I'm going with anyone because I'm going to run into eight or nine people I know. Right, exactly. Yeah, true, that's what happens. You can't even hang out with Will at MDF now because you're walking along with Will and halfway to the stage, he's met three people already that he has to stop and talk to because he knows everybody. But it's true, if you honestly, having just gone to Vegas, it's true.

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I run into a bunch of people I know there. And you would too. You would be like, hey, it's that guy. Honestly, Jay, that's the reason why I'm here. I mean, this was the first MDF where I got to know people because generally I've been doing MDF alone for the last four years, except the pandemic years. And I must say it's a very different experience. I mean, you get to discuss music in the parking lot, meet like-minded individuals, but every now and again, your band goes off and you're like, damn it, I'm just sure.

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Sam, so were you legitimately there all by yourself? Yeah. So you were lonely. Yeah, I wasn't lonely. I was enjoying my solitude like paradise. Who's this? Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. Yeah. Thanks, John. I know I hit you. You fucked up his solitude, man. You felt bad for Will. Yeah, I was going on solitude and turn this on my existence. You'll never go alone again. So there's that.

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I thought there was a guy that kind of attached himself to you like a barnacle. There was a guy that seemed to me always standing next to you when I saw you. That was a great story actually, Jay. So just like how I was standing next to you guys because of the cheers. This other guy who was standing next to me, if I'm not wrong, was a friend that made the previous day. He had a wild story. He was a construction worker from Saskatchewan. Right. I'm pronouncing that correctly, from Canada. Yeah.

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I've shown the finger to his manager for coming to MDF. And he was like, screw you, I'm going to travel to the States and attend the show. And I met him in the Sepultura Cavalera Brothers merchandise line and just invited him to the parking lot. So that's the guy who was standing in the parking lot, Jay. Yeah, now we took pictures with him. I know this. What was his number of name? Yeah, I'm sure it's in the post. No, I was really, yeah, now I've forgotten. No. Yeah, I'll figure it out.

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So you invited him to the parking lot to drink our beer? Is that what you're saying? Yes, Will. I identified there are these free beers that Will is distributing to lonely people. There's more than one lonely person at MDF. For someone just coming in on this conversation on the podcast for the first time, they keep hearing, yeah, we just kept going back to the parking lot. Like, what's going on in this parking lot? Is this like in an alley or something?

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That's the great thing about the podcast. I mean, that's what I like because I was going to a lot of shows by myself in Chicago and I didn't have anybody to talk about metal with. And so when I found this podcast and the camaraderie that you guys had on it, I was like, man, I have to listen to this. I have to be on the show. I want you guys felt like friends. And of course, now we're friends. But at the time you chose wisely. Yeah, it was a way to like hear a conversation about metal and hear the things that I was thinking in my head.

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And now I get to do that, you know, every month more actually, because we talk every day on social media, but you know, it's better that way. You know, I didn't, oh boy, there it is. Yeah. I know the community is really great. Alexander was his name. Alex, Alex. Yes. Yeah. It was kind of a mess. I feel like every time I saw him, he was kind of face down. You know what I mean? This guy, Alex. Yes. That dude. Well, I knew the worst thing is he'd already gotten mugged

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on the streets of Baltimore.

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No shit.

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And he had already gotten monk the previous day.

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He was like, dude, this guy walked up with a knife, came up to me, took my belongings,

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and then I told him I'm broke, and I ran back to my hotel.

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This is the story he's telling me in the merch line, man.

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Wow.

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I have one word for you.

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One word for you.

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Baltimore.

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Baltimore sucks.

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Welcome to Baltimore.

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Yeah, well, come on.

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But that's why I said you need to come to the parking lot and have some beers,

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Because it just happened to be the same day. I was also carrying some treehouse in my car. And it just happened to be that there was some beers. It wasn't too steely of beers. I had some extra beers, you know, just saying. That's the key to MDF is safety in numbers. There's enough of us. You don't get mugged. Well, it's funny because I don't think I told this story. But when I was flying back, I met a guy who had attended MDF and he was wearing the battle jacket. And, you know, I had a metal shirt on.

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And we're waiting to get on the plane. And he turns around. He's like, oh, you had MDF? I was like, I sure was. And he's like, oh, I just celebrated my 18th birthday there. And I just woke up in a gutter the last night. I, like, drank so much. And I woke up in a gutter. With Jay. In Baltimore? Jay, who was the big spoon? Actually, he was probably safe for doing that, Marcus. I was like, what? He got so ham... Well, maybe he was 21. Those are the best stories, Marcus. And those are the stories which make

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He's from Chicago. He's like, oh, I didn't mind like passing out in a gutter in Baltimore because I'm from Chicago on the south side. Makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Well, I gotta say, he was probably safer passed out in the gutter than walking around sober. Just leave him. He's hammered. Just leave him on the side of the road. Yeah. We got enough people on Baltimore on the side of the road. So yeah. Yeah. So then I find out later, I go to Bucket of Blood and I was telling Grant,

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who owns Bucket of Blood, his books and records. They have a lot of metal in Chicago and they sell sci-fi books and fantasy books. And he's like, oh, I know that guy. He comes in here and buys stuff all the time. He was like, really? He passed out on the gutter in front of my place the other day. Small world, right? I think these guys who pass out in the gutter, every community has them. And everyone from their community is popular. I remember going in Tampa and seeing their passing out in the gutter individual.

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who's been going to Brass Mug since Obituary Death Days and is still the only one who passes out with the gutter. But anyways. But I would like to add one thing to what Markerson said. This is the first time I'm getting to discuss music with fellow metalheads on a broadcast. And once I went through what George had shared, what we were going to do through the whole show, I really found it extremely detailed and very involved.

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And I think once we get to the album discussion, it leads to active listening is what I'd like to call it. Because a lot of times in your 24-7 routine, you just have music on in the background where you need to listen to a song at least 100 times to capture those key riffs. But when you're preparing for a podcast to discuss with your fellow friends, you bloody well know at least some part of the album which requires active listening. Which I failed with this week because I was so busy.

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I only listened to like half of them. Yeah. I saw the entire list day before yesterday. So I've been just blasting all the albums yesterday. It was an experience. Yeah. There's a weird sense of responsibility that comes with the whole thing. Yeah. Yeah. We sound like a bunch of drunk idiots, but we actually have to do a little work. A little bit. Shit. It's a little bit. It's a little. Well, anyways, cool. Yeah. Okay. Well, if you have any questions for us along the way, you just fire them out there. All right. Yeah.

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What's that for? I mean, like, you know, just like you asked about how long the podcast have been running. Oh, that. Like, if you have anything. I'm going to be a shameless outright. Hey, excuse me. I have a question. Yeah, good, good. That's what I'm there in class for. Just make sure you raise your hand, okay? Yes, yeah. Or anything else? Should I do the Zoom raising hands like this or should I raise my actual hands? Let me know. Yeah. Nah, that's cool.

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What's the best beer in India? Because I've had some. Kingfisher. Definitely King of Good Times, Kingfisher. It's a lager. It's like the Indian. I won't call it Indian Yingling or PBR. I would call it the Indian Miller. That's what it is. The champagne of beers. Comes in a green bottle. Stay away. Yeah, yeah. But right now there's another beer called Beera. Beera 91. That was United Nations Beer of the Month. They're doing really well for the

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themselves. That's India's most popular beer right now. B-I-R-A. It's the Mad Monkey. They make six versions of it. Indian pay wails and blonde beets. Quite nice. I've got a poster. It's like a world beer list thing. And there's like a beer from all these different countries on this thing. And you like scratch it off like a lottery ticket once you've drank the beer. I need to see what the India one is. I actually did go grab one. So I'll look where I'm in.

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The best thing there, George, is besides the Indian beers, you also have Indian food. So I'm sorry, I'm going to be shameless on the cuisine. There's just so much to eat now. I love Indian food. And there's just so much variety, even if you have a subtle palate or a strong one. I mean, we cover the spectrum. I make my own hot sauce, and I make a wicked Kung Pao chicken, which is obviously not Indian, but it's hot as fuck. It's East Asian. Yeah, I get it. And my Indian co-workers were like, dude, we're Indian.

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We know hot. You know, you're not even hot. And so I invited them over. I made my Kung Pao chicken. And they were like, dude, that shit is too hot. Another reason why we should hang out sooner, George. And anyone else that's been interested in having Indian food. Indian food is my favorite food. So I love all things hot. So George has threatened to make hot things for me. Y'all come over. I'll make you my Kung Pao chicken. You'll cry. Shameless plug. Besides Kung Pao chicken, we also,

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some Indian single malt whiskeys. They're not as popular as Japanese single morts, but they're also doing reasonably well. Sam, what's your favorite Indian food? Goat. Goat curry. Any form. You feed me goat. Any form of goat curry, I'll be a happy man. Gotcha. That can be brown, yellow, green, all forms of curries based on the spices that go in. Generally around 10 to 20 different spices go in, so it depends on the proportions. But goat is what I love. Nice. I mean, I go in Chicago. We have a

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I go down to Devon Street and they announce it. Oh, yes. The mini India. Yeah, that's where I get a lot of spices. So I do a lot of cooking with those. So yeah, man, it's my favorite by far. Heavy metal and food. Never mind. We might be digressing. Sorry about that. So just, yeah, I'll carry on with my questions till we gather together with Will and Matt. Sure. Just wondering on the albums to discuss, how do we come to a concern?

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in this group on which albums to select for discussion. It's me. Oh, it's you, huh? Because generally in a group, there are three to four individuals with different music tastes. Three to four different albums. That is definitely this group. We all have different tastes. I try to, I write the scripts. So I would love to know who does what actually. So who's inclined to what. Yeah, we can talk about that.

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I tend to pick them based on how well known they are and whether they're a band that I know that somebody here likes. Okay. Which I did that for several of these bands today, knowing that other people liked them. I was like, I think we're going to include that one. And there were actually a lot more new releases than I could have included. But I was like, we only usually do about six. And I was like, man, there's a lot. And I put these in, but I was like, I got to.

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I gotta stop it somewhere yeah within the last couple of weeks there's been a lot of stuff a lot there's even stuff on here you didn't include that from before a couple weeks ago that came out and I was like oh shit I forgot we that came out as I was going through my list for what I'm listening to yeah so I I'll take some of them that I didn't put on there and I'll just put them on my what I'm listening to list and okay so and this is done every two weeks it's about a month it used to be two weeks but because they're

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six of us, it's hard to schedule everybody more than once a month. Fair enough. It's also in world, so to keep a detail, you want to have it. Yeah, makes sense. That's why we end up doing like, you know, four to six hour episodes because it's, we only do it once a month and then we talk and we talk and we talk and we talk and we drink beer and we talk and, you know, that's how it goes. So, yeah. That's great, George. Okay. It's fun. And so it doesn't

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It's like Gilbert Gottfried.

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is Albert Mudrian. But he's just like, fuck that. I don't have like a day to spend on your podcast. And it's true. But, you know, once you get here, you're just like, hey, it's we're just hanging out and talking and drinking and having fun. And it's not like work. So, you know. Yeah. It almost reminds me of our literature groups that we have here at school, except the only difference is we catch up and discuss literature once a week. There's no beer.

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There's some tea with biscuits. Yeah, tea and biscuits. Yeah, it would probably shorter if we did that. Romantic side of life rather than the Hail Satan worship doom side of life. Yeah, but you know, there's a place for that as well. Absolutely, absolutely. Of course. So, I see part of Markassan. I don't see all of Markassan. We were talking about horror, which reminds me. Burrito.

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Are you, do you folks listen to Fulci or F-U-L-C-I? Oh yeah, yeah, the Italian band? Yeah, yeah, I love those guys. Yeah, so Fulci, there's a death metal band called Fulci, which is touring the East Coast. Is anyone planning to attend their show, Italian death metal? Where are they playing? In Baltimore. They're playing in Baltimore, they're also playing in Richmond.

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For some reason. Should only be three hours, but it's like at least five or six hours. So I don't go there very often. But Baltimore, I might go to see them. Let's see. Where are they playing? Yes, I just got reminded. They're playing pretty soon. Yeah, Tuesday, 8.30. Oh, that's 30th August in three days. Wow. And where are they playing? Metro Gallery. Oh, Metro Gallery, Baltimore.

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Cool. Anyways, digressions are done. All right. I just wanted to say, while I was filling up... Cheers again. Cheers. While I was filling up, I looked at my poster, and Kingfisher was the beer for India on my poster, so... There you go. The king of good times. All right. So, I'm curious. Do you listen to other styles of music besides metal these days? Yes, George. Thank you for asking that.

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I don't want to cannibalize this episode. I talk about Lady Gaga all the time, so don't worry about it. Okay, cool. So I won't be talking about Lady Gaga, but I'm going to talk about Synthwave. I've been listening to a lot of Synthwave. I love Synthwave. Yes, so I do enjoy Synthwave. I enjoy Nudo Vipo and Audi's Tied of Contemporary Classical Music, too. A bit of blues. I'm getting into jazz. What blues jazz do you like?

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As far as blues goes, I'm listening to Buddy Guy. You know, more of the Chicago-based artists because I visited Chicago and attended some clubs there. Carl's Weathersby, then Kingfish, Ingram, Christone. Kingfish, Christone, Ingram. There's a new kid in the block. I don't know if you've heard of him. I haven't. He's a big, heavy guy.

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He's the heavy dude. He's a kid and he started getting viral because he was this kid who could play so well. He's got a career. Nah, I didn't hear that. I love Liz. He's quite intense. But yes, otherwise it's mostly metal, metal, metal. Within metal it keeps fluctuating between stoner, doom, trash, death. The typical for most of us, I guess. That was something else I was going to ask you.

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your favorite bands and what are some of your favorite styles yeah so um i had basically listed out

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everything based on the uh document you had shared so i prepared it in order um but but if you're

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coming to that part no no no well sorry um this is still a casual thing right it's still a yes this is just a

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like hey i like death metal more than black metal or perfect got you got you yeah so personally

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Speaking speaking, death metal for me is best enjoyed lights. I wouldn't listen to death metal sitting alone in a room on my LP player. I would rather listen to psychedelic, atmospheric, experimental. Aranty Pazuzu? I haven't heard that. Oh, you need to hear some Aranty Pazuzu. See, that's another reason why he joins this podcast.

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Yeah, good luck with that. Hold on, I'll put it in the chat. Yeah. Thanks, Jay. Yeah, so, but personally right now, George, it's mostly atmospheric black and black metal. Okay. And Doom. Doom and black metal, those are my two favorite genres right now. All right, and do you have a couple of bands from each of those that you want to shout out? Yeah, sure. Doom, in fact, the easiest to shout out would be Conan, since it's there on your album review list. Yep, yep.

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Conan is there. Oh, yeah. And Sludge. Then you have Spirited Drift, Chemists. Wow, wow. Yeah, we know them well. Yeah, you know, they're fun. Elder. Then, of course, in black metal, you go to your classics. Immortal, Bathory. I've been listening to some Norwegian black metal. There's a band called Nakasha. I can, N.A.s, never mind. Yeah, Norwegian ones.

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The Norwegian is finished.

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Oh, Nakash.

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I love Nakash.

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Yes, yes, Nakash.

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Thank you.

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I actually bought their album in Norway when I was there.

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Oh, yeah, man.

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So good.

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That's awesome.

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And this podcast is going to go great.

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You already know people who know Nakash.

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Really good.

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We know everything.

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Because it's black metal with hooks, man.

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That thing just ruins.

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Yeah, man.

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Yeah.

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So I like stuff which has groove melodies, but also gives you enough time to relax.

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Sukayis, I don't know how many of you enjoy that.

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Sure. Of course. Kais can be fun. I've been listening to some Brandt Bjork. Yalamanta, Brandt Bjork was the drummer of Kais. He broke off from Kais and started his own band. Excellent multi-instrumentalist albums called Yalamanta. Or Yalamanta, I don't know how you pronounce it, Brandt Bjork, but that's what I've been blasting down with, yeah. Awesome. Yeah. So you and I talked at MDF a little bit about how metal is a giant metal.

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Melting Pot. Yep, I remember that. Tell us your thoughts on that. I love talking about stuff like this because this is part of what I love about metal. Yeah, I can see why that's the most interesting part for you because honestly when I came to the United States that was the most interesting part for me to observe. So I consider it an honor to have attended heavy metal shows in two different continents.

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and three different countries.

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Because the kind of crowd that shows up at the heavy metal show,

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regardless of how you appeared at the end of the day,

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if there is a slayer riff coming up,

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everyone understands, as we all call it, fucking slayer.

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So I've actually experienced it firsthand necessarily.

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I personally feel heavy metal is a melting pot

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for different communities all over the globe, especially because the kind of music that we listen to, it offers you solitude, I'd like to call it will, yeah, solitude in times where you need it the most, sometimes, and also allows you to party out with your friends, which I think is a very common human emotion, so I think it offers you both sides of the spectrum which a human needs, so definitely it's a melting pot.

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A better answer to that would be I've met people from different countries and heavy metal shows, which has been exciting. I still haven't forgotten. I was at an Iron Maiden show in Dubai. And this was in the Middle East, United Arab Emirates. I met a guy from Kuwait there in Dubai who had, you know, literally taken a holiday and flown from a different country to visit Iron Maiden, specifically in this country. And I still remember him describing that Dubai is,

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But I would definitely travel for something like Maiden. I'm going to take a break from my work and that's why I'm here. I remember people from 20, 30 different Middle East countries coming there for Iron Maiden. So, yeah. Sorry for that long-winded answer. No, that was a perfect answer. Seeing heavy metal in Middle East, in India, in the United States, that's one thing which I can vouch for. It's definitely a melting pot. Yeah.

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I understand metal, somehow the person seems more familiar, approachable, friendly. You would discount some of their bad habits also to a certain extent. Yeah, you just make friends. It's one big metal family. And that was my favorite thing about going to Vaken was, you know, Vaken is like the melting pot of metal because that's the biggest thing. And there were people from everywhere. And I just got off on that. I was like,

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I was up on the rail for Gravedigger talking to this guy from St. Petersburg, Russia. And we were just like, you know, hey, why is Trump such a dick? And I'm like, yeah, I don't know. But... What do you mean you don't know? Well, this was 2017. I didn't have a lot of, you know... Anyways, 2017. But, yeah, there were just so many... That's why there are these safe spaces for conversations like these that you just said, George.

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It's just no holds barred, easy flowing conversations where you don't have to worry about what would the other person judge me for? What would the other person think? You just talk, let it out, and you're done with it. Yeah, it was just so cool to see all these people from all around the world. You know, there were people from South America. There were people from, you know, like Japan and Wales and just everywhere. And it was just so cool. It's like, why can't the rest of the world get along?

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like people at a metal show.

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Hey, we got two brown people on the cast right now.

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That's crazy, right?

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Who's the second one?

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George.

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Dammit.

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Markisan.

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Markisan's brown people.

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So have you ever been?

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Sam's like, hey, he's not brown.

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Yeah.

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I'm more of a pink, a bright pink.

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It's true.

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You are kind of pink, George.

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Well, it's the alcohol, you know.

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Hey, since we were talking about how many continents you've seen metal on,

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Does Bush count as metal? No. Okay. Hard rock. If Bush counted as metal, which I know it's not, I would have four continents. Doesn't matter. You saw a show. Yeah. Even seeing a show on four continents is something. I've seen shows on almost every continent. You haven't been to Antarctica for a Metallica show yet. No. I saw Sick of it All in Bogota, Colombia.

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The striptease shows don't count, though. And I went to Rossgiller Festival in Denmark when I was backpacking around Europe. And then when I was living in Australia, I saw Bush. It's in the Bush. It's Australia. They have that there. You got a show in Australia, so you went. Don't get many shows there. Australia has some sick bands, man.

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about one of those.

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Yeah, I do.

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So, Sam, have you ever been harassed or anything at a show before because of, you know, race or anything?

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No, actually, not at all.

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In fact, I found it quite endearing.

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Actually, I went to Richmond and for the lack of anything better, I had these local dudes.

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I mean, they were basically typically Caucasian males who tend to show up and similar to Bill.

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They don't offer beers, but they end up asking me out of curiosity. How is the heavy metal scene in India? And I quite appreciate people coming out and openly talking about it rather than, you know, being behind bars and having that barrier to communicate because a lot of times I feel our misunderstanding stem from ignorance. Yeah, totally. A couple of conversations and honestly speaking, not everything disappears. So I've never been harassed. If you talk about getting injured,

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in the mosh pit. We've all been there. That's not harassment. I think that's tough love. Good friendly violent fun. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. Yeah, I got a tough love. But otherwise, the most serious altercation that I remember having was, in fact, at this MDF. I think people were, you know, they were running right off the edge, especially with the reins and the management. You know, there was some management hassles at some of the venues because of the

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I remember getting kicked in my ass by this dude who was just kicking people viciously because he was pissed. There was a stampede for the arbitrary show. Right. There were emotions which I had to deal with at that time, which weren't very pleasant is the best way I can put it on this podcast. But that's about it. That's the most harassment I've ever faced. Otherwise, it's never been. That's good. I'm glad to hear that. Yeah, because I love... Let me rephrase this question. George is actually talking about sexual harassment.

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No, well, everything doesn't have to be sexual, man. I think he's talking about NSBM and maybe he might have a section on NSBM stuff, you know, because I listen to bands which unfortunately may or may not be classified as that. So, yeah, it's a constant like question of like, oh, well, you know, I like this band and suddenly everybody's saying that this guy used to hang out with a guy who hung out with another guy who said something bad one time.

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can I listen to this band? No, absolutely, George. That was a huge problem. I think I can safely say for more than 100 Indians because Inquisition popped up in India to play a live show along with Napalm Deaths. And I remember seeing Inquisition live. I mean, everyone knows Inquisition, I guess, unfortunately. Yeah, I won't listen to them anymore. Yeah. And what happened was they showed up in India. These stories were not out. And what happened was everyone heard them. They slayed it. We really enjoyed listening to them.

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The movies came out. And I don't know. I mean, the book is still coming out. There are some of us who enjoy listening to Inquisition because you're trying to separate the artists from the acts. It is, almost. Well, that's the way I used to justify Burzum. Yeah. But I just, at some point, I just got to be like, no. But dude, of all people that Inquisition played with Napalm Death, that's nuts, dude. Because those guys are so hyper-liberal.

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Right. But if they didn't know, then they don't, you know, it's not like Napalm Death is setting up the set, you know. Yeah, Napalm Death is like straight edge, hyper liberal on the other side. And these guys are on the other side. But again, they were playing on separate stages. Indian festivals are more like five bands go up, bands play one after the other, get some beers, eat some food, get out. Five band, one day festival, you're done. So, you know. But yes, George, I, I, I,

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I wanted to agree with you on that. Artists hearing different bands, especially those which have been involved in some of this extreme stuff, because sometimes it gets difficult for all of us where to draw the line between what we are singing about and what defines us as a human being, because a lot of times art defines these artists, right? Right. Like, you know, some people say things and you're like, okay, well, I can't get behind what they just said. Or they have songs that are about things. Like Will and I had to adjust our year-end list one time,

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because of a band that we didn't realize was singing about stuff that they were. I remember that, yeah. And we were like, oh, last minute change. That's not going to be on our list. They had a lot of homophobic lyrics. Yeah. Oh. And that was where I drew the line. I was like, oh, no, no, no. Because, you know, it's death metal. You don't really pay attention to the lyrics half the time, right? You're just like. And but somehow it came to my attention that I need to do it.

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to read the lyrics and after reading the lyrics I was like oh no no no this can't be on my list. I think George that's also driven by in which localities you're hosting shows right because I've noticed that it depends on which regions you're also hosting these shows there are some geographical regions which are more open to shows which can be more extreme in their viewpoints versus bigger cities where certain bands may never show up

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because of the lyrical themes they carry and the social groups present in the cities, right? So this leads me to an interesting question, or maybe it's not an interesting question, but it feels like one to me. You know, I've noticed that obviously the United States is very aware of all the possible things that people could say or do that might offend someone. And so people are getting canceled left and right.

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There's a lot of discussion about it left and right. But in Europe, things are less, people are less concerned with these sorts of things. Like, you know, in Scandinavian stuff, racism's like, whatever. Yeah, we're racist. Fuck it. You know. George, I'd like to point out openly, I don't speak for all Indians, because I understand this is a podcast. At the end of the day, I come from a country which has a multi-million dollar industry for fairness claims.

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So when it comes to racism or understanding race, I don't think anyone is in a position to talk about these things comfortably. Just because we look different. As far as cancel culture is concerned, I think... Never mind that's... No, dude, you can speak your mind here, really. But honestly speaking, as someone coming from India and being in a university environment, I feel that it can be bottled up.

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And sometimes I feel that there are individuals who want to speak on my behalf and want to speak and act defensive on my behalf in society, which I genuinely don't like because I can speak for myself. So I remember getting into a brief discussion about this with Will too. We were discussing something about Sahara Desert or something in the desert in the MDF parking lot. But yes,

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Not to take too much of this conversation, but this cancel culture can be toxic. And sometimes as an individual, just to give you an example, in the PhD program, I only wear black and only wear metal shirts to school. I get all the possible looks by all the possible individuals and I get judged left, right and center. Unless we can live in a society that that stops happening. I hope those looks are like, what a tall drink of water that guy is. Yeah, nothing sexual though.

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Alas. Hold on. I knew there would be something sexual coming from Will. You met him in the parking lot once and you know that Will is hypersexual. Sam, you're in Charlotte still though. So they see a metal shirt down there and if it doesn't say the Dave Matthews band, then you're a total douche. Yeah, John, I get into tough conversations with all the ladies who get their dogs with their kids at the farmer's market wearing a dying fetish shirt.

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It's Dave Matthews. He's massive down there. Yeah, so I'm like, Dave Matthews, dying fetus, same thing, man. Just ignore what is written. There's more pig squeals. There's just no violin in Dying Fetus, you know? I want a Dave fetus shirt. Well, you know, I'm curious because, you know, Charlottesville's been in the news the past couple years, so. Yeah, in fact, it was in the news for something which happened one day after I landed, and I remember my parents telling me, you are brown.

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Be safe. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. And I was like, man, I'm sorry. This, this has UVA. There's a school. I hope the school is good. Charlottesville is super liberal. It's a college town. They brought all the, that, you know, the whole thing with Charlotte, that's all people coming into Charlottesville. Yeah. It was literally, that's what happened. And once you stay here long enough, you realize, in fact, I was, I shouldn't be joking about this because it was unfortunate.

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But what happened, at the end of the day, I do talk to some of my colleagues at the college and end up telling them that after looking at the shirts that I wear and going out in public, people would think I belong more to the other group that came in rather than the Shannesville locals, you know. Wow. So that's not very positive. I just look at it. Hey, it's Matt. It could be like Dave Chappelle on his first episode. If you guys know what I'm talking about. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's good, John.

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Matt A.

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Matt A.

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That's a friend from Wacken.

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Hey Matt, this is Sam this side.

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Sam, how are you, man?

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All well, man.

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Super excited to be here.

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Thanks for inviting me along with George.

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Yeah.

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Awesome.

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Greetings, bitchy one.

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Yes.

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Greetings.

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So please tell me you're at least slightly pre-lubricated.

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No, I was literally, I just drove for like two and a half hours.

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Oh, well, get started, man.

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Get started.

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It's always slippery.

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That is true.

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I do come pre-lubed. Well, we haven't gotten to Vegas yet, so we'll talk about that later. Oh, sweet. Nah, man, we're still... I probably want to get there soon. Yeah, I was going to say. I only have like one... We really... It's the question. This is the one that I warned you about. What three albums would people... Would help people understand you better? Ah, so I'm just assuming, George, whatever you ask is dedicated to me because no one answers.

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talking.

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So I'll just go ahead and keep answering until you ask me to shut up.

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Okay.

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No,

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that we,

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that is not going to happen,

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dude.

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Yeah.

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I don't want to cannibalize the conversation because I know different people listen to this podcast and I don't want to bore people.

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Well,

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this is the question that we ask everybody that comes on.

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So it's your spotlight.

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So I'll go ahead.

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I hope my crappy Logitech webcam microphones are doing justice to my voice.

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It is.

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Okay,

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cool.

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Let's go.

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This is a very tough question as it might be for almost everyone. So if you don't mind me mentioning three albums in three honorary mentions, that'll be okay. Three albums that define me as a person would be Symbolic by Death, Bogwa, Exercises in Futility, and Rotting Christ Rituents. The honorary mentions would be Catatonia, The Great Cold Distance, Death, Sound of Perseverance, and Bolt Thrower.

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Those Once Loyal. Nice, bolt thrower. Awesome choices. And Two Death. Yes, Two Death. That's always a tough option because... But they're very different death albums. Double Death. Yes, Symbolic hit first when I was in school in around 11th grade. Sound of Perseverance hit more in the mid-20s. Oh, nice. Why did you pick those? Yes, yes. Yeah, so what about those are, you know, personal for you?

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I always ask loaded. I'm loaded. We're all loaded. We ask questions. I have a big load here. Of course, you've got big loads there. Yeah, so death, on a more serious note, Chuck Schidliner's work in Death and Symbolic, specifically the song One Thousand Eyes, that hit me at an age where you start going, I don't know if every metalhead experiences this, but personally, for me, the music

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The lyrics hit after, because most of the times music is what you can understand immediately and lyrics take multiple listens to understand. Chuck's work on the album Symbolic was just stellar for me and it just blew my mind that people could do that with an instrument, especially because it was one of the earlier albums I heard. The song One Thousand Eyes is one of my all-time favorites because it talks about lack of privacy in the future, which

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could see at the time where internet didn't exist. So I really like how futuristic his thought process was and the way he wrote the lyrics. And of course, that was the time where I was also experimenting with odd signatures. I tried playing the guitar and the bass and I quite enjoy different odd rhythms and my fair share of drog. So you play? Yes, I do play. Not much, but I do. Okay. But so yes. So that's symbolic.

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because of musicianship, lyrics, and the variety I got for something which is considered death metal. It wasn't just blast beats straight through. There was a reasonable variety for my personal listening. Moving on to the second album, this is more recent. As some of you might know, Mokwa, the Polish band MGLA, which translates to Fog, Exercises in Fertility. There's a certain part of me in which, as I've entered my late,

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and getting into early thirties,

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uh,

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is quite fascinated,

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fascinated by nihilistic philosophy,

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even though I don't follow it personally.

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Um,

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Mogwa's exercises and fertility helps me go through days where I literally feel that no matter what you do,

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these are all exercises in fertility.

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Uh,

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so it's,

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uh,

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quite literal.

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Um,

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I really like that.

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No nonsense approach to music.

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Uh,

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they were on stage.

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It's nothing new.

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Maybe some other artists did it,

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but,

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I appreciate their concept of removing individuality from rock and keeping it more about the art than the artist. I appreciate their Nishian philosophy that they project through their lyrics. Some of it might sound despondent, but combined with the melancholic pentatonics, it gets really cool listening to some of their tracks. I love those guys. Yeah, and I just love their stage presence and the symbol work of Darkseid, the drummer,

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The Drummer Darkside is just a legend that I personally feel. And last but not the least, Rotten Christ. I think, again, not to geek out, but most of you would know that there are, I guess, three to four different scientists around the globe who have named species of different fish or different creatures after Rotten Christ, inspired by what they believe is songs which transcend boundaries of color, creed, religion, race.

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because I truly feel Rotting Christ embodies what's happening in society nowadays, which is the rotting of spiritual practices to an extent where they've been reduced to shows, pitiful moral shows for individuals to hide behind and continue creating acts. So Rotting Christ for me is a brilliant band. Rituals album deals with something which is very intense and the only constant in life, which is death.

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So I think the album is excellent. It talks about different rituals from different parts of the globe and tries incorporating folk music from different individuals around the globe along with traditional black metal music. So sorry for my long-winded response, but that's why I like my first three. That's fine. That's great. Now, that's the point of the question. We really wanted to get into why these albums and what they mean to you.

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why they define you.

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You know, you could mention them and somebody could say,

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all right, I understand you a little bit better

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because you told me about these albums.

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Yeah, and I think Marcus and the other ones,

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the honorary mentions, Sound of Perseverance,

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I think the album defines what it stands for.

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It's literally Chuck wrote it at the time

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where he was struggling in life

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and he was going through different record labels.

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And if you go through the lyrics along with the way

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the art has been rendered, especially musically,

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You really feel that pain to a certain extent if you try empathizing, if you're also going through that phase in life. So Sound of Perseverance is an album which recently grew on me, and especially after the Chuck Tribute show, which happened recently in Tampa on 13th December 20th, Chuck's Death's Anniversary. The Great Cold Distance, Catatonia from Sweden, is just a melancholically beautiful album. I haven't mentioned my Paradise Lost and My Dying Bride, but I really like my doom and sadness in my

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music quite a lot. Catatonia is responsible for most of it, especially the great Cold Distance album. Journey Through Pressure, not many people know that song. It's the last song on the album, but I think it's a beautiful track. So is My Twin. I think they discuss schizophrenia. They discuss more aspects of the mind, I feel, rather than the tangible aspects of life. So I think that's a great album. And of course, Bold Thrower, you can't go wrong.

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It's cannons, tanks, and battle cries, and straight-up groovy death metal. So that completes my list of six. So that's what I'd like to stick with. It was very difficult to come to these, but thank you for allowing me to talk about this. Of course. Hey, have you ever listened to the Requiem Metal podcast? I haven't. Oh. No, you're not supposed to mention other podcasts on our podcast. I'm just kidding. Just kidding. I think I've heard of it. I don't follow podcasts. They do.

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They do a deep dive on bands and they just did a three-parter on bolt thrower. So they're a long form podcast and they play album, you know, songs from the band. They, they interview people from the band. They talk about the history of the band. And so really good podcast. If you like, you seem like you're, you're a guy who really likes to study metal. You, you do have a better than average knowledge of metal from the people that we've talked about.

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Not like podcasts, but I'm just like in general. You clearly have a good knowledge of what you're talking about. I just geek out alone most of the time. It's fun to talk to other people about metal for sure. No, and I'm really enjoying the, honestly speaking, this is why I joined for, because amongst the conversations you heard about new podcasts, new bands, what's happening around in the industry, that's always great. Yeah, check it out, because I think,

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They do a good job with their podcasts. Okay. Yeah. They're covering Inflames. Yeah. They're covering Inflames. Inflames is on too. That'll be fun. I think they did Inflames actually. Oh, no. Sorry. March 30, 2020. This is archived. Oh, okay. Cool. So, yeah. Sorry. That was a long-winded response, but those are the six. Even though Black Album, again, too much. Well, Black Album is what got me to Metal Man. I'm sorry, dude. I'm sorry. No need to.

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I like that album too. Guilty pleasure. I listen to it once a minute.

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So, all right. I don't have any more questions, but do you have any questions for us? Because, you know, you're just still getting to know us. We've only met you once. So is there anything you want to know about us?

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Yeah, well, absolutely. I think one thing which really interests me is the different kind of music styles that each one of you gets to this podcast in terms of,

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listening preferences. That would be the first question. And the second more loaded question, perhaps if you want, you can summarize it as your journey into this form of music. Because I think for everyone, the starting point is different. But I find it fascinating how different webs, no matter where the starting point is, the culmination is more or less the same pool of bands where you land up. So I always like hearing that. So in case anyone is interested in sharing that, I would love to.

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Sure. I mean, I'll let people talk for themselves, but Will is definitely our death metal guy. And John is definitely our prog metal guy. Oh, okay. Okay. So John, I can discuss Faith's Warning and Symphony X and Will, I can discuss Morbid Angel and I get it. I get it. Ah, yes. Perfect. Matt sent a really... I can do Riverside with George. I can do Riverside with John. No, I can do Riverside with John. Oh, yeah. He loves Riverside. Perfect.

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He makes up most of the bands. Post-metal.

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I think Max will be my best friend. Is he the reason why Russian Circles is on the list?

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Well, John's a big man.

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I love Russian Circles.

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I mean, I think a lot of us like Russian Circles.

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Okay, you're in Chicago too.

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And then...

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Are you into black metal, Matt, by any chance?

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Sorry, I know you're eating.

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No, it's all good.

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Yeah, I do.

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I'm probably more into the quote-unquote

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the atmospheric black model than the traditional.

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Oh, that's beautiful.

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Norwegian.

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What I talk to three artists that you're listening to nowadays.

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They're not real.

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They don't exist.

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You also follow black men.

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You just got to make up the names.

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There's the three frake ones.

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I mean, the three at the top of my head, probably Panopticon, Uwada, and Yellow Eyes.

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But Yellow Eyes is probably more of a traditional black model,

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but I am just hell-bent on Yellow Eyes, as I mentioned.

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Field Recordings.

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Yeah.

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Uwada, definitely a great bunch of folks.

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I met them at MDF.

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Super nice to chat with.

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More hoods.

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Mm hmm.

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More hoods.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Cool.

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Yeah.

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So I think I can really get along with Matt because I do that.

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Fuck the rest of us.

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I'm looking good for Jay.

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Quite often with John because I do my Riverside and I'm going for the Porcupine Tree Tour,

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which is coming in right now.

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So that's four, John.

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That's four.

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Are you going to DC?

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I'm doing Boston, New York, and DC. I'm following them on the East Coast. That's such a John thing to do. Yeah, I did that. I do that. I did that for the whole decade of the 2000s. I followed them all over the place, saw them in England a few times. Oh, that's beautiful. Oh, my God. Yeah, we can get out of trouble, hopefully. Jay, explain yourself. Jay is Iron Maiden, Conquestadors, Running Wild.

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I do, but it's because, you know, it's my youth, but I like everything. I mean, on our website, we kind of put a thing. And my favorite genre is, and I say this, it's just heavy. I know when I hear it, and it can be as far out as. As long as it's groovy and heavy, you're good to go. Yeah, I mean, like, everybody, and I think that's true.

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for all of us to be honest with you like we all love wayfarer but we all love dio you know i mean so i just fucking love music you know and just like everybody else i listen to a lot of different music but i definitely go down wormholes and i'll get some one a bit i probably listen to motorhead oh yeah that's a classic wormhole where all of us land up right venom and motorhead you know and those are some of my favorite bands but also it's merciful fate it's like famously on this podcast one of my favorite

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But, you know, I get surprised every year by cool albums. There's nothing I won't try, and there's stuff that I fall in love with that I'm sure if, you know, I don't even know what my genre is. It's just fucking metal. I love Heavy. I love Heavy. That's true of all of us, yeah. I tend to. It is true of all of us, but I probably am a slightly more of the traditionalist here. I think John is probably the next closest to me that, like, you know, in this,

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I'll put up a song list and do like a random song list to listen to. And it'll have thrash and black metal and death metal, but it'll also have some deep purple songs. And there's no part of me that cannot transition straight into that next song. So. That's the same here. That's cool to know that there are others doing this too, actually. That's so cool. That's because in your mind, it makes sense. What's that? Because in your mind, it makes sense. In my mind, it makes sense. And I don't see them as being that even terribly different. You know what I mean? Yes.

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Yes. So, and I think, I think that's true. George, I think that's kind of describing you a little bit too. Yeah. I mean, I, I listened to anything. I mean, I, you know, I mean, I listened to just about anything that's metal. Lady Gaga. I, and things that are not metal, like Lady Gaga. I love Madonna, like eighties pop. I love blues. I love jazz. I like old country, like Johnny Cash. Oh yeah. I like classical. Jump out of a car right now.

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You know, a little bit of like old 80s hip-hop rap stuff like I like iced tea and ice cube. I like music, but what I tend to do is I'll go down a rabbit hole of, okay, well, for the next three months, I'm listening to a lot of doom metal.

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And then for three months, I'm listening to a lot of death metal. And my focus changes, but I like it all. I'm probably the biggest Doom guy. I really like evil, slow fucking Doom. I went through a huge funeral Doom phase. Oh, you went through a funeral Doom phase? Oh, yeah. I mean, everybody likes it, but... Evoken and those... Yeah, yeah. One of my favorite, yeah. Asunder is one of my favorite bands.

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So I think for you, Marcus, one of your favorite bands would be Sun. Actually, it's Jay. Oh, that's Jay. I love Sun. Oh, I love Sun, yeah. If I can catch up with someone who enjoys Sun, that's always great. When I started buying vinyl again, they were some of the first records I chased down was as many of the Sun records as I could find them. I still don't have White, which is hard to find. And it's my favorite one.

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I'll show you guys the new toy I got. Jay, you upgraded your subwoofer, didn't you? You don't have to, dude. That can come through a little, what do you call the little one, John? No, I'm saying so you didn't blow your speakers. Oh, gotcha. No, that's man of war. I got a new bobble, which I love. Let's see how this is. Is that cool? It was honestly a drunk order that I think on Revolver, and it just showed up at my house, and I was like, when the fuck did I order this? I've been trying to get Matt to drunk order for like weeks now,

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I just drunk over the new sleep on vinyl.

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Oh, you did.

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You wanted the new sleep with the weed one?

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Oh, I was going to say.

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I couldn't get that one, no.

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Dude, I almost drove to Detroit just to get that fucking weed one.

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I'm like, that's crazy.

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Do you play it or do you smoke it?

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Both.

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Or does it smoke when you play it?

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Like, does it, you know, is it, the needle like releases the fumes into the air and you like CBD. I don't know. Not CBD, but one of the other. The THC, rather. Yeah, man. We should get to news because it's like. Yeah, I want to keep Will on here as long as possible. Well, we haven't even gotten the t-shirt and beer check. Yeah, we need that. Yeah, sorry. Yeah, that's why I shouldn't ask loaded questions. Nah, man. This is fun. This is fun. Yeah. All right.

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Well, what t-shirt are you wearing, Sam, and what have you been drinking? Great. I am wearing Demolition Hammer because Demolition fucking hammer, that's all I like to say. What a band. I just love them. Practicing without a degree, 44 caliber brain surgery. There we go. Exactly. That got well back in. Yeah. I can see I'm getting excited.

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But yes, I'm wearing Demolition Hammer from MDF. Good memories from the show. Currently enjoying Wanderer, German-style Hell's Lager from Treehouse Brewing Company and just already finished an alter ego from Treehouse. Whoa, whoa, whoa, back it up. You're drinking a non-hazy beer from Treehouse? Yes, I'm one of those traditionalists who takes a left at a sandwich and goes to the

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their traditionalist beer centers and be like, hey, can you give me a typical beer? Which is beer. And then I'll get to your funky beers, which I also enjoy. Don't get me wrong. How do you actually like a lot of Charlottesville? I got a treehouse in Charlottesville because I'm one of those lucky slash unlucky individuals whose wife stays in Boston while I stay in Charlottesville. So I visit her every once a month or once, one and a half months. And I come back in the Amtrak carrying 70 to 100 cans with ice coolers.

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So if you're coming back on Amtrak, you pass by Annandale and Alexandria, right? Yes, I do. Well, you can stop. That's where John lives and Will. Will and I live like five minutes from each other. So now I know that John will are in BC. Jay, the rest goes straight. Yes, San Francisco Bay Area. I'm across the bay from San Francisco Bay Area. Jay's in the East Bay. I'm in Maryland, DC, Virginia area. So I'm, I'm,

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I can definitely meet you folks if I come to DC or Maryland area for the shows and what about you Matt which part of the world do you decide? Bitchy USA. I'm in Minneapolis. Minnesota. Exactly. Wow. Will did he get drafted or something? What's going on back there? He well yes he's now you want to talk about it William? I'm interested.

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Is your kid wearing a chemist shirt? Sorry, man. Yes, he is. Okay, that's cool. Yeah, both my daughter is very much a chemist fan. In fact, we have Phil's Flying V hanging on the wall in the house. When it's not being played. Yeah. Phil Pendergast, the lead singer, guitar player, I got his Dunnable Flying V for my daughter. That's awesome.

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Dad of the Year Award.

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Yep, yep, Dad of the Year Award.

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But yes, William is wearing, my son William is wearing a chemist shirt.

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And he got selected for a baseball travel team at eight years old.

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Awesome.

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And so today we went to Dick's Sporting Good and we got him a new baseball bag because his old baseball bag was kind of a piece of junk.

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So he's walking around the house, checking it out, exploring it.

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What can I put where? I came in to find some baseballs. There were some baseballs in there. Is that a Nats thing? What is that? A Nats thing? What? I'm just kidding. How dare you? We're a Philly guy. I know. That's why I said it. We don't dislike the Nats. It's local. It's a nice stadium. Go there and serve Atlas. They have Atlas, yeah. They have Atlas beer. I loved it a couple years ago when we came out with the Hasawodo beer.

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We made a beer called that. And there's all these like dads drinking a black Saison and Nat's Park. And so like, oh, I'll try the Hasewoto. And they have no idea it stands for Hail Satan Worship Doom. So yes, I appreciate that. Want to say hi? Yeah. Sorry. I think, yeah. He looks like a Ghostbuster in training. That's enormous here. Who are we going to call? So I think I'm guilty for breaking Matt's train of,

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I pointed out the chemistry, Matt, sorry, you were talking about something. Oh, was I? I don't even remember. Yeah. Yeah. Sam, stop. You're messing things up for us. Cause this happens all the time. Don't. Yeah. What are you doing? I'm trying to be overly polite. Was it Matt's turn? Wait, no, Markisan. Markisan didn't go yet. So I don't know. Let's just move on to Markisan. I attend a lot of zoom calls in school. We just go order by order. It's just so nice doing it.

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It's your turn, Marcus. Roll. I'll go. I am wearing a goat horror shirt. I just saw them. Goat horror. Goat horror shirt. Yep. And I've never seen goat horror, which is crazy. What? Considering how many bands I've seen. Ben has been on the podcast. So good. They're really good performers. That was a great show.

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Well, I'm good. It tastes my favorite death metal band, as I've said many times on this podcast. I am drinking Brimminghorn's, well, I finished this, Brimminghorn's anthropomorphic personification, a traditional honey mead, aged five years. It was their five-year anniversary brew. You enjoy your meads too? Yeah, I'm in the mead club for Brimminghorn, and they actually made a mead for my comic book series. So yeah, we love Brimminghorn. Oh, man. And I make mead. Well, I haven't in a while.

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But I'm going to start again. And now I'm drinking from Anchorage Brewing Company. Furthermore. Nice. I like Anchorage. Yeah, this is fucking thick beer. This is a double oaked Imperial Stout with coconut in it. It's 15%. It's basically motor oil. It's pretty good though. Motor oil with coconuts. Yes. Delicious. It's cold. It's cold. All right, Matt.

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I'm kind of a minimalist with the shirt. I've got my Cycle Vegas t-shirt commemorative. I bought it because I think it's like a creamish color. It's just not black and I thought I would mix it up a little bit. Like I said, we just got home so I'm drinking my lawnmower beer, Greenbelt premium lager, the staple of this area. Was that shirt on your registry? On my registry? Yes, it was.

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He's just preparing for MDF wearing a white t-shirt. Yeah. All right. John. I wore this for Sam tonight, even though I didn't know. I feel like I've recycled through this band. I don't know how many times now, but Symphony X. Yes. Twilight and Olympus. My first beer was three Floyd's Dreadnought. Double IPA. And then I'm drinking from Asheville, North Carolina Dissolver.

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Tone Death.

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That's a barrel blended imperial breakfast stout.

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So, Dissolver is good beer, man.

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If you've never had them.

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That sounds like a perfect time for a stout.

01:42:26.630 --> 01:42:28.300
You need to get inspired by you.

01:42:29.020 --> 01:42:30.740
Asheville is such a great beer city.

01:42:30.930 --> 01:42:31.880
Beer town, I should say.

01:42:33.240 --> 01:42:35.480
Your liver finally gives up after a while, right?

01:42:35.520 --> 01:42:37.420
Because all these blocks have all these beers,

01:42:37.700 --> 01:43:07.580
And then you're like, there's only one liver to process out of this. So, yeah. So, all right. This is awesome. You're muted somehow. I did plan to change my shirt at some point before the podcast, but this is just a shirt I've been wearing all day. I'm wearing my Iron Maiden slash Star Wars Trooper. So, it says Galactic Empire in the Iron Maiden font. It's got the, you know,

01:43:07.720 --> 01:43:37.660
Basically the traditional trooper illustration, but instead of Eddie, it's a storm trooper. Is that like, like the campfire of the band? No. Okay. This is literally just somebody who likes Star Wars and Iron Maiden decided to make this shirt and I saw it. Yeah. I probably bought it on Facebook like 10 years ago. I've had a shirt forever. Yeah. This is what I was wearing all day. I was planning to change, but I didn't. I didn't have time. And then I'm drinking Victory's Golden Monkey. It's a

01:43:38.500 --> 01:44:07.560
Yeah, it's a good triple. I find post-radiation chemo throat killing me that this is one of the beers that I can drink and it's not like napalm going down my throat. So I think it's all the lack of hops, the extra sugars. I have that year at my wedding and everybody freaking slammed because it's like 9%. Yeah. Well, we should we should get you some curio then.

01:44:09.400 --> 01:44:14.320
I have one oh I had a lunch date at the casual pint

01:44:16.470 --> 01:44:17.820
on whatever and

01:44:18.560 --> 01:44:22.380
I picked up a four pack of curio nice yeah and I have one left

01:44:22.590 --> 01:44:24.700
and so that one is

01:44:26.500 --> 01:44:28.780
that one's a little rougher to get down because of the

01:44:29.320 --> 01:44:31.620
barrel aging yeah the barrel aging and

01:44:32.210 --> 01:44:36.560
yeah it's just something about it it's a lot harder to get down so I hear that a lot but

01:44:38.280 --> 01:44:39.440
All right, Jay.

01:44:40.200 --> 01:44:44.280
I'm just having my blue bottle iced coffee after supper, which I love.

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And then I'm showing you this here.

01:44:47.220 --> 01:44:48.020
Coffee or supper?

01:44:49.080 --> 01:44:49.420
Both.

01:44:50.760 --> 01:44:55.080
I'm showing you this here because this is the reason buying my shirt, which is the 30th anniversary.

01:44:55.390 --> 01:44:58.480
So these books, the art books.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

01:45:00.280 --> 01:45:02.080
It's the record plus a lot of shit.

01:45:02.860 --> 01:45:03.700
Motorhead, by the way.

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Motorhead.

01:45:04.360 --> 01:45:34.320
This is a podcast that cannot see, Jace. You have to explain. Oh, right. Big part. Overkill. It's Motorhead's Overkill, 30th anniversary. It's a giant art book. It's got to be 40. For a Gasmatron, that's what I want. It's actually 40. Well, I celebrate that every day. Iron Fist. So I'm wearing my Iron Fist shirt to celebrate the fact that I just pre-ordered my Iron Fist. Jay, did you get the deluxe Lemmy figure from Super 7? I got the pre-order. No, but I

01:45:34.360 --> 01:45:35.380
I have a war pig already.

01:45:35.940 --> 01:45:37.640
Yeah, I was going to find out the war pig.

01:45:39.960 --> 01:45:40.740
No, you're right.

01:45:41.220 --> 01:45:41.760
Did you order it?

01:45:43.000 --> 01:45:43.220
No.

01:45:43.720 --> 01:45:53.200
No, I thought the thing about these pre-orders I've noticed is that, you know, it's like six months to a year out or something when it seems like.

01:45:53.600 --> 01:45:56.500
Because there's another one that was a bigger one that I really wanted to get.

01:45:56.640 --> 01:45:57.700
And I'm like, well, I'm renting.

01:45:57.860 --> 01:45:59.660
I have no idea if I'm going to be here in a year.

01:45:59.880 --> 01:46:02.080
So I can't order this.

01:46:02.080 --> 01:46:03.080
You can change your address with them.

01:46:03.120 --> 01:46:32.080
No, you can change your address with that. Will, do you remember we ordered Murray? We're waiting for Murray, and that was a long time ago. Oh, yeah, I ordered it, too. It was Murray. Oh, yes. Actually, yes. Man, this is worse than vinyl. That's been a long time. I don't remember. You can just change your address, Will. I mean, if you move, you just... I actually have a spreadsheet for shit that I order, so I know if I'm going to move or something, I can change it. I did it because I'm Hawaii. I knew that we weren't going to be there the whole time.

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Well, you're not wrong about the Lemmy thing, but I just feel like that Warpig is so quality that Motorhead is represented in the toy show. Whatever gets you through the day, Jay. We have the four-inch Lemmy figure. There you go. I should probably get that one. Is that what you call it? Yeah, you should just get like a video game and just stick it in the corner. That should be your Lemmy tribute. Hey, I've been there. You know what I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah, I was just there back in December. Yeah, I was at the end.

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at the whatever the fuck it's.

01:47:05.440 --> 01:47:06.440
Does it still have a size course on it?

01:47:06.730 --> 01:47:06.840
Rainbow.

01:47:07.220 --> 01:47:07.840
No, it's gone.

01:47:07.960 --> 01:47:11.220
You guys actually went to that pub that you used to play video games?

01:47:11.450 --> 01:47:14.740
Yes, I was there back in December at the Rainbow Barn Grill.

01:47:15.020 --> 01:47:16.000
They're trivia games.

01:47:16.960 --> 01:47:19.320
Yeah, but it's not there anymore.

01:47:19.900 --> 01:47:20.200
No.

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Yeah, I actually saw it.

01:47:22.140 --> 01:47:26.260
But I did see the life-size Lemmy statue.

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And I mean, literally everything in the outdoor portion of the rainbow is branded in Lemmy. I mean, his face is everywhere. Inside, obviously, there's a lot more than just Lemmy because it's a historical place. But the outside is like the Lemmy lounge. Yeah, that's new. I never saw that. And everything Lemmy is out there. And I hate Jack Daniels, but I had like at least three Jack and Cokes just because of Lemmy. Because you were there. I was there and I was just like,

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History, man, history. And I can attest, if you're there at night, literally, it's like you turn around and you could name umpteen numbers of musicians that you know from the last 40 years hanging out in there. It's just like, fuck. If you've watched the Rainbow documentary, the dude that's the son that owns the place, he was there, like sitting there just smoking cigarettes, hanging out on his phone just the whole time. Oh, smoking cigarettes in California in the establishment?

01:48:27.020 --> 01:48:56.960
It was outside. It was outside. But anyway. How do you pull that off? Yeah. Well, you own the place. That's how. So me, yeah? Yeah, you don't. Wearing my death shirt because, you know. It's death. It's death. So I started out, as I generally do, with Brimminghorn Mead. This time it was Thundering Waters Piment. No, actually, no, it's gone now. But it was very great.

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It was very nice. I liked that one. And now I'm just about done with Heavy Seas. Isn't Heavy Seas like loose cannon kind of stuff? Yeah. They make loose cannon. Yeah. But this is Heavy Seas Impending Doom. And it's a West Coast double IPA and it looks all metal and shit. And that's quite good. I like the double cannon and the tropic cannon. I like anything Heavy Seas. Will right now froze on my screen.

01:49:26.780 --> 01:49:54.560
and he's got the bottomless beer. Yes, he does. I know. It's a perfect. It's like, wow, look at all that beer he's drinking. And I'll probably move on to the Flying Dog Double Doggy Double IPA. Oh, and Will is gone. Oh, man. Oh, no. Bye, Will. He'll be back, or maybe. It is good to see Will on this podcast, man. Wow. Yeah, he hasn't been on for the last one or two. It's been a while. There he is. He's back.

01:49:56.780 --> 01:50:26.740
I want to hear about Matt and Jay getting married. Right. So let's move on to fear and loathing at Psycho Las Vegas. Jay, Matt, hit us up. I'll start just by saying this, because I really want to sell this to you guys, and I think Will's already bought it, but taking into account that this town, the whole point of this town is to get tons of people in, get booze and food into their stomachs comfortably without having to get food.

01:50:26.780 --> 01:50:56.740
having to stand in line too much and the best air conditioning you've ever been in and every toilet is clean and every this and that because they want you to stay and give them your money it's the perfect place for a festival man i'm telling you something falls on the ground there's three people they're picking it up yeah and who picked you up and it was and so that alone was just awesome i mean the infrastructure of the place is set up for a good time yeah i remember when i was in vegas there was like the only thing laying on the ground were like the the like stripper calling cards

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Or not, sorry, not a stripper, prostitute calling cards. How is the sound dead? How is the sound system dead? How is the, I mean, the food access? Food is ridiculous. It's in a casino, so. There's food everywhere. Oh! Yeah, and so there's food everywhere. Everywhere. Is the main stage inside? They all are. Well, no, actually, it's outside in a tent, but it was there. That was the pool one, right? Okay.

01:51:26.780 --> 01:51:56.740
No, it was called the event center. And it's like, it's just, you walk up, it's literally right outside the door of one of the doors of the casino. And it's just a big tent that was pitch black with huge air conditioned tubes going into it. It was super comfortable. So you never got too warm in Vegas. No, we got hot, but only when we walked outside. So I would say that the second biggest stage would be the pool, the day club. And then there was a ballroom. And then there were two that were in rest were in like rest

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And then one was literally in a food court. So how many different places were there? Six. Wow. And then there was a merch area. But all in this place called Resorts World and sells super walkable to each other. You know, I mean, like no big deal. Is it on the Strip, the old Strip? Is it completely a separate other place? Like what casino is it in? It's about a mile from Treasure Island and the Bellagio and all that. I mean, it's on the Strip. Yeah, it's basically at the top. Is it the first time someone,

01:52:26.760 --> 01:52:27.960
on this podcast.

01:52:28.640 --> 01:52:28.840
Yes.

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As I spent that.

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Okay.

01:52:30.510 --> 01:52:30.600
Okay.

01:52:30.800 --> 01:52:30.920
Cool.

01:52:31.460 --> 01:52:32.300
I've been there before,

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but like,

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so first off,

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just picture a casino.

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I mean,

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those are like comfortable,

01:52:37.680 --> 01:52:41.980
well-lit awesome places with tons of restaurant choices.

01:52:42.490 --> 01:52:42.700
I mean,

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I don't,

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we stood in line for food once.

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Yeah.

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And that was because we came out of a show and everybody walked to the same

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fucking pizza place in the place.

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And that was stupid.

01:52:51.160 --> 01:52:51.420
But,

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and what's just to say,

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you could just,

01:52:53.560 --> 01:52:55.360
there was 8 million things to choose from and,

01:52:55.650 --> 01:52:55.940
you know,

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I mean, it was like 70,000 tons of metal without being on a ship.

01:53:02.000 --> 01:53:02.100
Yeah.

01:53:02.660 --> 01:53:03.040
Which helps?

01:53:04.520 --> 01:53:11.740
Sorry, George, but this is almost reminding me of the venue here in D.C. at the National Barber where Judas Priest played recently.

01:53:12.780 --> 01:53:15.240
It's actually a venue inside the casino.

01:53:15.840 --> 01:53:18.960
It's the MGM casino at the National Barber at D.C.

01:53:19.700 --> 01:53:25.220
And I remember just walking into the Judas Priest show at a casino and I was like, what the fuck is happening here?

01:53:25.300 --> 01:53:55.260
Yeah, that's a relatively new place. I haven't been there yet. It's super convenient, actually, because the sound is good. You have all the air conditioning, as you rightly said, Jay, and the food options are excellent. And the bathrooms are not the leaky ones that you typically get at the MDFs. I kind of want to back up, because I'm trying to, like, so how big is this tent? Like, isn't there, like, massive, massive? It's massive. Yeah. How massive is massive? We sent, I think, some of the little footage and pictures we sent

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And that was the... That's the tent? The tent, yeah. Well, that's not even the right word for it. I don't know. Those parking lots are so big around those casinos that there's just... The space is incredible. Wait, parking lots? That's where we hang out. There was carpet in the floor. That's true. Yeah. It was more like a... Honestly, Will, it was something more like you would have seen in the military or something. It's like a big... Like a clamshell hangar.

01:54:26.300 --> 01:54:53.340
Okay. Yeah. And so all of that was awesome. So just that alone was great. And, and then for me, and please step on my toes here, Matt, when you're ready to do so, but it was, it was as much fun as the carcass decibel was. Cause also you run into everybody. Yes. You know, and which is to say the bands. And, um, and so that was crazy. And this, fuck, I don't even know where to start. I had so much to say, Matt.

01:54:53.420 --> 01:55:22.860
So where do you run into the band members? I know like you were staying there at the hotel. Yeah. So I'm trying to like, I'm trying to, I'm asking a lot of questions. Cause I want you guys were there. You're not describing it. Well, you saw the hotel, like is, is, is the hanger in the hotel parking lot? Is there one hotel? Well, all of them were inside except for that one. And that was literally 25, 20 feet outside the door of one. But there's two large buildings.

01:55:23.380 --> 01:55:53.360
It's called the Conrad and it's massive and that's like just hotel rooms and the other one is hotel rooms but it also has the casino and they're connected you know you don't have to walk outside to get what's the name of the casino it's called Resorts World and I think there's actually a third hotel that blends into it but Jay's right there's the two towers but you also have like a mini shopping center connected to it you also have your kind of standard things like ballrooms and conference rooms and crap like that and then you have just this boatload of restaurants so it probably did take us that first day to figure out like

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All right, where the hell are we going? We got lost a couple times. Think of yourself being in a shopping mall connected to a hotel with a casino in the basement. And our running joke the first day was to find all the people working there in suits and be like, listen, really sorry. Get the hell out of here by Monday morning. Because there's just metalheads everywhere. I mean, we're in a shopping center. I mean, you see normal adults and then there's just lines of metalheads. Yeah, you can clearly see a segregation between the casino goers and the metalheads, right? That's the most interesting activity of such places, yeah. Sorry, we're not.

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We're not here to spend our money on gambling. We're just here to rock out. I mean, at times it felt like being, you know, I mean, there's a ballroom and then outside of that ballroom are people serving drinks, you know, or you had a wedding or at some sort of event. And it was just kind of two big ones of that. And then the pool was completely outside. You had to walk around to get to the day club. And that was the most strict area to get into. You actually got frisked. Everything else, you just kind of walked through a metal detector. And that was all fast, by the way.

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You know, one thing worth mentioning to that end, well, I lost it, but in any case, Matt asked a few of the people like, hey, man, like, how are you finding the workers? Like, how's this going? They're like, dude, seriously, we get realtors and all this. This is one of the best groups we've ever had. Because everybody was just so chill and just there to have a good time and stuff. You know, it's interesting you say that because I was thinking about when you guys were out in Vegas, it was the exact same time that, I don't know if you've ever watched this, but if you watched the Woodstock

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99 documentary on either HBO Max or on Netflix. One on Netflix is a little bit better, more in depth. But like what a gigantic shit show. What a group of assholes. I've been to massive metal concerts. I've been to Woods, Ross Gilda in Denmark. I've been to MDF. I've been to Decibles. None of that stuff happens, like ever. I was at Woodstock 99. Yeah, same here. You were? Yeah, it was a disaster.

01:57:52.920 --> 01:58:22.500
What, you were there too, Matt? Yeah, I was. That's weird. Oh my God. That's why the first time I went to Valken, like when I, when we like after the first night of shows walking out into the camping area, I was like, and somebody had like a campfire going. I was like, oh fuck, they're going to burn this place down. And there's massive fire truck with fire, like firemen on top of it looking down and like, everybody was cool. Everybody was chill. I mean, there wasn't any destruction of any kind. That's because Limp Bizkit wasn't there, unlike this year. I've seen HBO.

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- On HBO? - Yeah, I haven't seen the new one. - There's a new one on Netflix, it's a little bit more in depth, it's like a three part series, yeah. - No, I need to watch it. - It makes you really, really guilty to be like a man of a certain age who acted like complete savages and hooligans, you know? - When I think back, the majority of the crowd was not us, it was douchebags. I mean, it wasn't like pure sheds. - Bros. - It was like, yeah, it was like a frap party. - Yeah, it was.

01:58:52.500 --> 01:59:22.300
But most shows, right, which are heavy metal or not heavy metal, I mean, in my personal opinion, I've seen a Coldplay show where the attendees are all hooligans versus an MDF show where everyone is hammered but coming out of a mortician show hugging each other and just having fun. Somehow, not to sound biased, but the heavy metal community knows where to draw the line even though we have the maximum number of security and cops at our festivals because of rowdy moshmitting. Yeah. I'm going to pause.

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just because there's a few points I know we want to make.

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But again, I say, so really, I mean, just picture being at a big casino in Las Vegas that's attached to a hotel, which they all are.

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That's what it was like.

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And then, because honestly, the other thing is those things are so well designed that you could be watching one of the shows that was really fucking loud and walk around the corner and you couldn't hear it anymore.

01:59:42.680 --> 01:59:43.260
It was bizarre.

01:59:43.760 --> 01:59:46.520
So it didn't bleed out into the rest of the casino and stuff like that.

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And there were plenty of families there and stuff doing other shit.

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But I just, you walk from one place to the other place, and all I can say is this is just so convenient. There's no, like if you've got to take a leak, you're going to pass 10 toilets and they're all the cleanest toilets you've ever seen in your life. And they're not crowded. And because that's what casinos are all about. They're just like, we're not just going to have ice, we're going to have a pool full of ice so that everybody who wants ice gets ice. You know what I mean? And when you're walking down, and you're walking down the hall and you're like, hey, there's a band playing at this bar, you know what, we're going to stop and watch for five minutes because you can do that in the hallway. That's my next question.

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Did you guys do any lounge bars for those singers? We didn't. We went one day early and had a blast going a day early, but once the festival took off, it just took off. The highlight of any casino, and I've spent plenty of time in casinos living in Tahoe, you just see a lounge singer up there with a piano playing, and you're like, oh, this sucks, and then you watch for five minutes, you're like, this is awesome. I'm going to watch this whole show. I mean, it's a lot of fun. You know what? What I've not heard yet,

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Is there anything about Sergey?

02:00:53.460 --> 02:00:58.120
Yeah, he was fun. He could have killed Matt for making him watch Bone Slings and Harmony Boy.

02:00:58.660 --> 02:00:59.640
That almost killed him, dude.

02:00:59.820 --> 02:01:00.820
He looked good. Watching what?

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Bone Slings and Harmony.

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Yeah.

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Oh.

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He just stared at me.

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I actually think I have something by them.

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We stayed in an Airbnb, which next time we'd stay in the hotel. We stayed in a place off the street.

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Yeah, I was just going to ask you that. Did you stay in an Airbnb event? Because I was also thinking about the festival next year.

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Yeah.

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Would any B

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We would literally be like we got an hour and a half for the next band. We would catch an Uber, go to this brewery five miles away, sit there for an hour and a half and then go back. And shout out to the show. Yeah. Shout out to the Metalheads butler because he's the one who named dropped the Able Baker. We, I mean, we tried, there was like three or four breweries in that area, the arts district, but we ended up just keep going back to Able Baker. We tried a few of them, yeah. But so, so, and then as far as like. Cool, actually. And, and, and, and also, I don't know, Jay, if you've done with that, but I was,

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I'm also wondering once you get done with this what's your opinion on the curated set list over the days that you were there because the artists there who come in are quite diverse I don't see I don't see any common trend there which in a way is great but I was just wondering it's called psycho Las Vegas I get it it's Las Vegas but maybe once you're done with the housing perhaps yeah stop talking about lounging and yeah well that's just it's like being

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Comfortable and MDS was the whole point. So we'll get to the music, I promise. But also, just to answer Will's question about how was it that we met people, it was two ways. One was we decided late one night, hey, we're going to go meet King Diamond. I don't know why we decided that was going to happen, but we just decided we're going to go meet King Diamond. You were drunk? Did you? No. But we went over to lobby the hotel and literally met everybody else. Like, I mean, Alice Cooper's bass player, the guy from Immolation walked through, Danny Loplin,

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was over there.

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We started in the lobby and then we're like, well, okay, this is pretty quiet. So we're starting to walk towards the casino and we both simultaneously looked to the right and saw like a hallway that was a bay of elevators. And we looked at each other like, I think we should stay here. And that's where we, everybody was either coming out or walking through. It was like literally one after the other.

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Then we just ran into like a bath and Bill Steer and Matt Pike were just us walking around and they were just doing things. Bill still remember you from Philly? We'll tell you a short story about that. Okay, so man, are there other points that you want to mention besides music stuff? Like, are you guys actually married? No, but that's, so that's the other thing about

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Las Vegas is everywhere you look at something funny and cool and weird so that's entertaining too and we were walking back like one night we did go to the brewery and I don't know why we decided we're walking back because we walked like five miles or something but we're walking back and I was like dude if we see a chapel like we gotta take a picture for the guys and literally like 30 feet later there's a chapel so you're not married I'm very disappointed that you're not married although at the same time I'm like alright well I can

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Still get mad at MDF next year. They could be. So a quick rundown of music though. First was Magwa. That was the first thing we saw. And it was awesome. It was a great start. That's so cool. Suicidal Tennessee's put on an insane set. I've seen them before and it was so good. They called a bunch of people up on stage at the end of it and all shouted ST. It was so good, dude. Yeah. Mostly the old stuff or did they play like an infectious groove?

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I mean, they've come out with a lot of new albums. It was all 90s and 80s. Maybe one of the off the new record. Did they play How Will I Left tomorrow if I can't even spell the name? No. What? Really? I think they did feel like shit. I'll have to look it up. That's like their jam. Yeah, I've got the set list. Their set list is not that long, but they kind of dragged songs out and stuff. Was Lombardo playing? No.

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No, he's in Europe with Testament right now. Wait, he's drawing for Testament now? Yeah. God, who is he not drawing for? The Metalheads podcast. Yeah. The bands that Hannes Grossman's drawing for. So, Jay, if I step back to the first night, it was Miguo and then Carcass and then Enter. And then we went out to the pool for Cephalic Carnage. Did you mention Ulslo? No.

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Oh yeah, they canceled like three, four days before. Yeah. Emperor. Emperor. Okay. And then we went out to the pool for the first time for Cephalic Carnage. Nice. They had like this mystery band. And so we, and that was actually at Famous Foods, which is the food court. So we went back in to see that band. And I think it was just more of a kind of a traditional. It was cloak. I mean, it was cloak was playing. Oh yeah. No, you're right. Yeah. I think it was cloak. And then we,

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We headed back out to the pool for nuclear assault and that was kind of that was kind of Friday and they sounded awesome was super warm that was probably the only place we would fully sweat was out there you know just smash talking about the actual pool or like the actual venue the pool venue yeah which was you know always a good good crowded but I mean watching watching a circle pit in a pool was pretty pretty impressive yeah I mean it's the desert so it's still 98 degrees at night all this generally

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It's the same timing as MBF shows begin at 4 in the evening, 2, 2.33 in the afternoon. No, no, the first show starts at 11. 11, yeah. I mean, it was music all the way through. I mean, the last day. 11 in the morning? Yeah. Yeah, there were 140 bands. Like, Nuclear Assault probably went on at like 11 something. Something like that. In the morning or at night. At night. They closed the pool. Yeah. So, Saturday, I'll just run down. I drug everybody to Ms. Moore and then Indian, and then we went to the food court and watched

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Black Savage, which was good. I made everybody go to Bone Thugs, and then it was back out to the pool for bombers, and then Suicidal Tendency closed Saturday Down Forest. But they did other weird shit, too. And this might have been the next day, but they do other stuff. And one thing was, one of the guys from Ruatang Clan was playing chess on stage in the food court, and he beat like 11 people in a row, and this eight-and-a-half-year-old kid came out and beat him, which was awesome. It was fun. It was just so fun.

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But it's to happen in the middle of the day. Yeah. Okay, so then Sunday was? Sunday, I went to Urinal Light and then Crematory Stench, and then there was a chess boxing portrayal of guilt, undeath, a little bit of human, as with the dudes in the pizza place, a couple seconds of Lord Buffalo. Oh, Lord Buffalo. I love those guys. Back at the event center, went to Samael. Ooh, Samael. We watched one or two songs of Paradise Lost, and then then it was High on Fire.

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So I wasn't going to go. You just mentioned a whole bunch of bands. And the one that was like, oh, Paradise Lost. One or two songs. Yeah, because I think we went back to the brewery after that. Paradise Lost, beer. We wanted to have a bunch of beer before High and Fire came out. Yeah, High and Fire because I was not missing High and Fire. And of course, we were not missing Merciful Fate. And that was who was after High and Fire. All the performances we saw were great. I mean, Carcass was predictably wonderful. Merciful Fate was the highlight for me without question.

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I've never seen High on Fire and I've had tickets to at least two of their shows and I've seen them so many times like 20 times yeah I don't know if you guys remember when I was in it once yeah this is probably my third time I don't know if you guys remember when I was in Mexico I just got on this massive High on Fire kick and that was back in April I've been on it the whole time and then there was that day in the casino where there's Matt Pike because we were talking I'm like Jay

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Is that my bike? Is that my bike? And look, check his toe. So we were going to do a photo of me like drinking a beer, like with him in the background playing craps, you know, because I didn't necessarily want to approach him while he was playing. But then when he walked away, we kind of ran up to him and we're like, hey, how about a photo? And he's like, yeah. I said, no, he knew he said, well, he was like, man, I'll just get punished if I do that. Meaning like everybody around here is going to start saying, can I get a picture? And then we were both like, hey, man, either way, it's totally cool. It was just good to meet you. And then he actually put his

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I had a blast. I know Matt had a blast.

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And Sergey was an easy, flawless blast.

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So we did write up some BS questions.

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Do it.

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Here we go.

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Did you get yours with you?

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Matt?

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I'll just go through my hands.

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So this is true or false? One of our Ubers was a Ferrari. False. True. That's false. Kerry King has a bunch of bodyguards, but they really just like Slayer fans. True. True. He was surrounded by a bunch of fat guys in Slayer shirts and walked through the place as fast as can be. Why do you mind? I just ruined it. Were they actually sort of like, you got the impression

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They were around. They were literally, it was sort of like they were a donut. He was the jelly. You know what I mean? Like they walked through the room quick and it was just probably, they looked like Slayer fans to me. I swear to God. Like the fan club or something was like, can you guys just walk me through this? And they have Slayer carved in their forearms. And he would have gotten mobbed to be fair. Like we were like Sergey and I were running out to go to the bathroom and Jay stayed inside. And that's where we got out of the event center, heading back to the casino. I look over and I'm like, Oh shit, Brian's.

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I go, cool. And then Sergey looks at me, he goes, that's Gary King too. And like, oh, I didn't even see the mad dash of people surrounding him. So. He was coming to see merciful fate. So. All right. Next question. This one I already ruined, which was, we suddenly had the notion we were going to meet King Diamond, but met everyone else instead, which is absolutely true. So we met in about a five, almost 10 minutes, couldn't have been more than 10 minutes. It was Alice Cooper's bass player, dude from MLS,

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Which guy from Emulation? Bob Ross Ross Ross Ross the lead guy Ross Dillon Not Bob Ross but Ross Dillon He's dead One of the guys from Semi-L Joey Vera came through Wait which guy from Semi-L? I think he's the Vorf? The guy in the back with the drum set and the keyboard

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We don't have any clue who we met. We just know they're in this bed. Well, there were some other guys that we probably didn't know who they were that we should have known and been like, hey, let's take a picture with us, please. So I've already ruined this one, too. But it was true or false. We did or did not watch Matt Pike, who has famously quit drinking and develop a gambling problem. And I don't know if he developed it while we were there, but we watched him. So this was the most metal thing. The only if it had been Lemmy, that's the only way this would have been cooler. But when we saw him, he was at the craps table.

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So he's playing craps, just in the middle of the casino, and he's betting, and he's fucking losing, of course, because he's like Matt Pike. And so we watched him lose all his chips, and then he walks away kind of dejected. And then we went and maybe saw a show or something. We did a few things, and we came back, and he was like, some attendant was trying to help him navigate an ATM machine unsuccessfully. So I was thinking, no, he emptied it. You know what I mean? He was like, this can't be right. You know what I mean?

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So anyway, we saw Matt Pike develop a gambling problem. But I loved seeing Matt Pike play craps. That was just a perfect Fire and Fire souvenir. He could have followed up by just going on the stage. He had all black, wrist guards on, the sweatbands on. Yeah, he did have a shirt on. Yeah, Matt Pike is surprisingly goofy on stage, though. I remember when High and Fire was playing live in Richmond, he was busy blowing his nose and just looking at his crowd and just saying,

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I think my one big true or false question is true or false, I met Bill Steer. Of course you did. The answer is false. Bill Steer met me.

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Well, and the joke about that is that so we were waiting in line to get to the pool to see maybe nuclear salt. I can't remember, but we're waiting in line to get to the pool and Bill stairwalks by. And so I stop and he's like, nobody else sees him. So I just said, Bill. And then for whatever reason, Matt was looking the other way. And I was like, I can't let this happen. So I said, let me introduce you to my friend. Like I'm a real estate agent.

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I just wanted to make sure Matt got to take his hand. And then we saw him the next day in the casino and he offered to take a picture with us. Offered or he was like, hey, would you like to take a picture with me? He's one of the nicest musicians. Jay and I interviewed him. He was so nice. The thing is, Carcass is my band. I haven't talked about this on the podcast enough. And of course, one of the big parts of Carcass that I love are just those magnificent riffs. I do believe that Bill Steer has been around

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for thousands of years writing these riffs. It's like that Bill who's on True Blood. I don't know if he's a vampire or not. And he's so unassuming, actually. When you look at him, you can't imagine that he's the man behind this riffs. He's a stellar man. It would totally make sense. But then for, you know, I mean, I've just been on such a huge immolation kick this year. And then to run into Ross, which I told him that. And then I've been on such a high on fire kick. And then to see Matt and then watch High on Fire play. I mean, it was just such cool moments.

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Go ahead, Jake.

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Well, just because I have one more like that.

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Oh, yeah.

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We cannot leave it out.

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And that is that Al Bath's Motorhead cover band is awesome.

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I mean, and I knew that already.

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I'd seen them video of them.

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They sound just fucking like Motorhead.

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And they played the pool and they did the perfect set.

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You know, had like We Are the Road Crew and Overkill and The Hammer.

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Just every song you would want to hear.

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And they were so good.

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And then me and Matt, shortly thereafter, went to just find a bathroom and an air-conditioned spot. And we walked out of the bathroom and Matt was like, there's a bath, man. And he was just walking through this big empty spot in the casino. So we went up and grabbed him. And I was like, hey, dude, just got to tell you, that was a great set. Fucking love Motorhead. Your record was my number one record this year on our podcast, blah, blah, blah. And he was so fucking nice to us, dude. And why is he not? Why do we have Sam? Why do we not have Abbott today? Come on.

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No offense, Sam. We love you. He had a rolling suitcase with him, but it was just like for equipment or something. And he had his base over his shoulder, which was hilarious. I'm happy he's overcome his drinking problems, man. He was going through tough times in Argentina, I remember. I think he's fine now. I really do. That's so nice to know, actually. What a legend, especially with Immortal. He leans down and he opens his suitcase and he's looking for something.

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what it is and the girl there's a girl with him she's like those are in the hotel room and we're like what the fuck is he doing he's down there for like a minute two minutes or something it's just a three of us standing there and he was like ah fuck it and he had something he wanted to give to us and instead he was just like i'll set to give you these and he gave us a cd copy of the new record took the nicest photos with us like that's so cool did he have his face paint on no no no no he actually looks like when he does bombers he kind of does the lemmy

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with his mustache and stuff.

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Oh, you started doing that with his mustache now, huh?

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For Bombers, just for his motorhome.

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That was outside of Merciful Faith.

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That might have been the highlight of the weekend for me,

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was to meet him and have him be so engaging and give us so much time.

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It was so nice to us.

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That's awesome.

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It was awesome.

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It's very interesting hearing this, Matt and Jay.

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Based on the bands that you folks have mentioned, again, it's quite diverse.

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I mean, I'm just wondering how did these guys come up with a curated list like this? Yeah, well, I mean, there's even more than what we're listing. I mean, there's so many bands that we didn't see that are, you know, maybe even more drone. I know there was even some like, you know, alternative, even some folk rock, stuff like that. I think it's grown, Sam. I think that used to be really exclusively metal and now they're sneaking in some other stuff. That worked perfect for me because I did not feel constantly like I had to be in front of a stage, which honestly would have been kind of a bummer. It's such a distracting.

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So what we ended up seeing was like eight to 12 really great sets over the course of the weekend and had a blast every other minute we weren't doing that. So I will say this people went to see Bone Songs of Harmony so somebody wanted to see them you know what I mean like it wasn't as full of play but it was. I can't get over the fact that you guys only saw Two Songs of Paradise Lost. Well I don't get who it's killing me. Who are the. I mean I heard Two Songs of Paradise Lost.

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What I don't get is who is a Bone Thugs

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and Harmony fan that goes to this thing and goes, yeah, I'm going to go

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and watch Bone Thugs and Harmony and skip 90% of the other bands

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because they're fucking stupid metal bullshit.

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There was a thousand people in there watching them.

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I don't get it. Yeah, but I don't know.

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To your point about Paradise Lost, though, for what it's worth,

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It was Sunday night

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And by the way

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We felt kind of fresh as daisies

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The whole time

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And we got a lot to drink and stuff

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And we walked a lot

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We walked miles

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But that stated

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By that time

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We were just like

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We're going to hit the brewery

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One more time before we go home

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And I am fire

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It's on in an hour and a half

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So we had to make

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A devil's bargain

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Yeah

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And like

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Bone kind of fit into that mold

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I think of nostalgia

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For a lot of people

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Because even

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We even chatted it up

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With some people standing in line

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And they're like

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Well yeah I love bone thugs

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When I was in high school

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And you know

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That was kind of

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I think that was probably the big draw for people is like this is part of my past that I really dug and so I'm going to go be nostalgic for an hour. So I kind of started to mention this too and we really will wrap this up because I know we got other stuff to do but one of the great moments was suicidal tendencies because he's such an evangelist if you've ever seen them I mean he's like a preacher up there on stage and and again he called a bunch of people up at the end of the thing and there was like maybe 20 or 30 people on stage with them doing the ST blah blah blah and this was

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It was the only time outside of Merciful Favour. And then everybody spilled out into the casino after the show and they were still shouting ST. It was so cool. People were so hyped by that. Is Rocky George still in the band at all? I don't think he is. He's not. No, but you know who's playing bass for him? Robert Trujillo's son. Yeah, his kid. Oh, okay. He came from ST. Yeah, that's cool. So him and then he has two guitar players and I think they're both white guys if I remember right. What?

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And his drummer's a kid too. I mean, that's gotta be, that might be a true VL kid or something. Cause I'm telling you. I wonder how I meant to look it up. He was a great drummer. And then, um, and Mike Miller just doesn't age, man. That guy's boundless energy. I know a bunch of you guys feel this way too, but I just love suicidal tendencies. And yeah, I'm an old school fanatic. I mean, join the army, how I laugh tomorrow, life's kind of revolution, feel like shit. Deja vu. Like they were,

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They were my jams. Even the first one. Institutionalized. Yeah. There's no bad songs on their record. It's funny because my kids are starting to drink soda now. And every time I'm like, all I wanted was a Pepsi. Just some Pepsi. I think the only song they did off their first record was I Shot Reagan. And I think that was it. Am I making that up, Matt? No, I think you're right. I think you're right. Anyway.

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I have one more thing I have to say about the Bombers set. That was going on as well. We were trying to get back to the casino for it because I believe we had gone back to the brewery and we got back right around the time they were going to start and we were both hopeful that nobody really knew what Bombers was. It was like, who cares? And I bet, I would imagine, Jay, that when we got to the line, it was probably about 200 people. Does that sound about right? And we skipped them all, Jay, while we walked right up to the front.

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I was like, man, fuck this, let's just go this way. So we literally just walked adjacent to the line and nobody said anything to us. We walked. Just literally cut in right at the security guards. We did miss one song because they opened with Bomber and we didn't get to hear that. But I recommend checking out video of Bombers, dude, or if you get a chance to see them live. That was one of my top three favorite bands of the weekend. It was killer, man.

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So I really would love to see this group of people there. Yeah. And I know we got Will already and we've got pre-sale. I already got some clearance. I thought about going because you mentioned it to me way back. I wanted to go this year too. Yeah, I didn't. I guess I must have missed something because I did not know that you guys were going. We had some things going on. Some shit. Yeah. You were probably doing all this stuff. It was one of those. I had a lot going on.

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Yeah, it was one of those text threads, Will, where you probably got on at 8 o'clock and it was already like 8 feet long and you were like, I'm going to go all the way back and tell this. Well, anyway, and I don't need to tell you this, Matt, but you were a fucking great time, man. Likewise, dude. Likewise. We were two peas in a pod. We were two peas in a pod and we had blast. You're like two spoons. So please, please, please, those of you who, I liked it better than MDF. I liked it better than Decibel.

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What the one thing is that they just had the beer like decibel. Yeah, I liked it better than MDF because of the facilities. Never mind all the other people that you got to hang out with at MDF. Right. Good point. No, but I mean. No logistics. You know, and they always, one of the reasons I went this year was Merciful Fate, but the other reason was I always see the lineup and I'm always like, how come we don't go to this? Right. Because it's in vain.

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I guess. Like witchcraft who canceled were supposed to be there like last year. You know, I mean, when you're going to see witchcraft, they don't come to America. So they always do something special, you know? Yeah. Anyway, psycho, psycho Vegas. I mean, I'm not a big fan of Vegas, but if you go for something like that, where it's all in like one spot, it, it, it is pretty awesome. Cause I did that for a comic convention one time and it was, it was all in the hotel. Anytime I ventured outside the hotel, I was like, I don't like that.

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If you want something weird to eat at 3 in the morning, you're going to find it. And you're not going to have to look hard to find it. You know, and that sounds dumb, but it's just like those weird things. Like literally you're in a place where they look after you. No, they take care of you. Everything is right there. You don't have to worry about anything. You're right. You're right about that. I did like that part of it. No, above and down all that music was awesome. And, and what, so now we got to see Carcass like twice in the last six months or something, four months or whenever it was.

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which was great to see carcass again yeah that's right yeah anywho good good times super fun guys well thanks for the report i don't think we can do it justice in truth but think of carcass mdf and then everything or carcass decibel that decibel and how fun that was and then added some extra shit yeah i could say mdf also yeah yeah mdf was great no yeah without question yeah

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I had to stand in line for a port-a-potty for this one. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. But we did agree that next time we need to get rooms at the hotel instead of Airbnb and put a bunch of beer in there. And then that's the only other problem you need to solve. It was beer, but it was like, you know, 10 bucks. And that's what we kept going to the brewery. When I went to a comic convention, they had those like little convenience stores. And so they had, I think they had Dogfish Head Ale, like 90 Minutes IPAs, which was a

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a lot cheaper than going to like any of the restaurants and buying beer or whatever so what i would do is i made friends with the clerk there and i was just just save us all these dogfish heads you get them in put them on the side and we would just buy them and we would just take them into all the places that would go just smuggle them in everywhere and it was great it was so much cheaper well actually mark has done what we've undersold though was able baker which was so cool and we made we had planned we planned out next year we're like first thing we do go to able baker buy a bunch of sixers you know they have this great

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selection. They got like 36 things on tap that they make. And most of it you can get in cans. But what's cool is like you liked it so much, but you learn too. So the next time you go back, you know what to do right away. Get it just right. Yep. Yep. So there, somewhere in there was, I hope, a not too long synopsis, but super fun. Really wish you guys had been there. Would have been that much more fun. Yeah. So Matt, just Matt lost power because of a storm. Hopefully.

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Hopefully he will get power back. To make his curse. Yes. We will pretend that Matt is still here. We can just make up his selections and it'll probably be pretty close to the truth. Well, hopefully by the time we get there, he'll be back. Well, that's probably tomorrow. So, yeah. So, this is probably the longest time and you can just tell by looking at Will. When you run out of steam, dude, don't hang out for our...

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I'm looking at the time and it's like

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three hours.

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We haven't gotten the news yet.

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The news is quick.

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The news is quick.

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We'll be hopefully quick.

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Don't talk too much about Dio.

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Alright, let's do the news.

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There's only a couple items this time.

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First off, Grim Reaper's singer Steve Grimmett passed away recently. I don't know if there's many Grim Reaper fans among us, but I am one of them. I know he's had some health problems over the years.

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for the past few years, but still was kind of a surprise. So I'm not a fan, but I definitely was surprised. I was like, whoa, just, I mean, I knew who he was. I just never really listened to them that much. Like the first two albums were fucking awesome. I mean, you know, maybe that's dating me because I'm an old fucker from the eighties, but yeah, the first two Grim Reaper albums were awesome. Actually, no, sorry. First three. Cause that was Rocky to Rocky to hell was the third one, I think.

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or whatever.

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Yeah.

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No, they had a good following, you know, of hardcore fans.

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I just never really got into them.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, sad to hear about it.

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It's unfortunate always when anyone passes away.

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And only 62.

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I mean, that's not too old.

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No.

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No.

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That sucks.

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Speaking of people that are passed away, though, Dio's documentary Dreamers Never Die

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is set to debut in theaters in September and October. I know some of the people on this podcast have purchased tickets. I have not. Markisan and I believe Matt. Yep. Yep. Got my ticket for the first showing on September 28th. So yeah, theater I always go to not too far from me right near the comic shop. So can't wait. Looking forward to it. You know, that film incorporates never before seen footage, like personally.

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Photos, you know, intimate scenes. It's got interviews with all kinds of people. Wait, do you be an intimate with people? What? With other people. I'm kidding. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's outtakes, too, I think. The cinema screenings are going to include outtakes from the film. Nice. That's kind of cool, too.

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Yeah, man, looking forward to it. We've heard about this documentary for a while. And now it's finally coming out. So hopefully it's really good. I'm looking forward to it. I probably will not see it in the theater, but I will see it eventually. Oh, yeah. Same with me. I'll probably watch it at home. I have the chance. So not that I don't leave my house if I can help it. No, I never go for these screenings. I don't know why. Maybe I just don't want to be around a lot of people. So I wonder if there'll be a lot of people for this. It'll be interesting.

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to see how many people actually get tickets for this.

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Yeah, that's true.

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Yeah, I know when they did the Rush ones, I know T.R. was telling me, I think I could be wrong, but I thought he said they were pretty crowded.

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So who knows?

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I guess it's different for every one they do.

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I've been to a couple and they weren't.

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There's a few people in it, but I never know.

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I bet Eddie Munson would be there if he wasn't dead.

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Stranger Things, hello.

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I know.

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I thought it was the guy from the Addams family

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alright well let's move on to new releases

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even though half the fucking people are gone

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that's alright because they probably

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never listened to it

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actually I do have to say one thing about the deal thing

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Jay had his speakers turned to loud

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it's this I watched the trailer

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I'm going to see it no matter what

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but in the trailer

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They had Eddie Trunk, Jack Black, and one other person, maybe two other people, and I thought these are the last people I want to listen to talk about Dio, just to tell you. I was just like, come on. Well, hold on. I'm not a super Eddie Trunk fan, but he may have interviewed him X number of times, and so you might get some insight from him from the interviews, even though some of those interviews might be a little vanilla. Jack Black had a really cool tribute. He actually did.

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I have to give him that he did. He did, but I don't like the way he deals with Dio. I don't like that character he played in that movie that he came in and he was the dragon guy. Go fuck yourself. Dio is so much more important and real than that to me. So I just, Geezer Butler better be in that fucking documentary. Oh, he is. They listed it. Tony Iommi, Geezer Butler, Rob Halford's going to be in it. See, I want to hear what Rob says because I know Rob loved Dio. They listed those people. Now that stated, it looks like it's put together about like

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Maybe Murder in the Front Row. It's going to be super entertaining, and I hope there's a lot of cool old footage I've never seen, too. I'll see it. They said that. I'll go on record and say I'm hoping there's tons of outtakes from Metal, Headbanger's Journey. I want to hear more of what Dio thinks of Gene Simmons. Also, John. They said the cinema screenings have the outtakes, so I don't know if they put it on video if you're going to get that or if that's just going to be for a movie. Oh, please, yeah.

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I don't know if the footage is lost or what

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but having to listen to Live Evil a million times which I personally think is a good record

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it's a little muddy but it's a good record

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he mentions in that I know you people in the audience notice we're filming tonight

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but we're also recording this where the fuck is that film

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I want to see the Live Evil live video stuff

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so Jay my guess is in that same warehouse

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no I'm not joking

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Is it the Warner Brothers warehouse that burned down? Yeah. Or a portion of it burned? Because there's like just so much stuff that we'll never see that got lost. Apparently it's so apparently the rumor is I have no idea if this was just anecdotal or just embellishing. But apparently when Eddie Van Halen died, they were talking about, oh, yeah, there's this warehouse, all these tapes and audio, whatever. And the guy said, yeah, you remember that scene in Indiana Jones at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark?

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When they put the art, it's basically, it was a warehouse like that. It's just littered with just unbelievable amounts of audio that no one's ever heard from umpteen number of bands. I'm like, fuck, I want in there. I can do this. I apologize for taking us a step back there. I just, but I'm going to, the only thing I want to ask is, did you all, I didn't get an email. It's gotta be playing here, but I don't know. I haven't heard yet. I didn't get an email, even though I signed up for the mailing list and I know you got yours, Mark. Yeah.

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I can I think I still have the email I can take a look would you send it to me or take a look afford it to you yeah yeah I already bought mine for the first night so they're doing it a couple nights but can you remind me of the dates more or less the 28th of September is the first date and then I can't remember if they do it the next day and then I think it's like October 2nd or something too okay cool it's like two or three dates yeah I don't remember don't don't let me give you the impression I'm not excited because you know I love I love the man

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Right, right, right, right. So I'll be there with bells on. I'll make one more comment since we're on deal, which is the Joe Barresi thing, and I really want to inspire people who listen to us to get the Joe Barresi remixed again. My take on that record at this point is, the Joe Barresi version, is that if Black Sabbath hadn't made Mob Rules, it would have been the perfect record to come out after Heaven and Hell. It sounds more like a Sabbath record to me now, and

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Especially of that style. And you may remember Martin Birch produced Heaven and Hell. And this has a much more Martin Birch production to it. But it's a better record. And that's saying a lot. You know. The Joe Barresi thing is bitches. I will add. If you could get the super deluxe version. I'm showing the guys here on the podcast. These books that come out. I know Jay knows these. Because he's gotten the Jethro Tull ones. These things are.

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They're in between a digibook and an art book. And they're like, uh, they're like trade paperback sizes and they're loaded with stuff. I mean, I've got so much of these for Jethro Tull and, um, the Spam Rillion, but then I didn't realize this was coming out like this in the super deluxe book. And I got this thing is awesome. It's so worth getting. John, did you, um, Oh, it is playing by me. Thank you.

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Yeah, I was just going to tell you, I just sent you the email and I just looked in San Francisco and like there's some shit. Awesome. One right next to me. John, I also wanted to ask you, did you get the video version of the Vanden Pals thing or do you just have the audio? Vanden Pals. It's not Pals, it's Pals. Well, for me and John, that's the fan club. Exactly.

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I got the three discs, Jace. I got the two CDs and the DVD. Okay. I need to get the DVD. I told you, man, get it from Laser's Edge. I keep telling you guys, if you want that kind of music, that's the perfect place to go. Laser's Edge. Ken is awesome. I feel like Sam should be into Vandamplas. They're awesome. This will come up in a little bit. I mean, if you're into like the Riverside and all that other proggy stuff, then you probably want to get it.

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One of my favorite metal singers too is

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one of his voice

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We'll get

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They'll come up again

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Maybe tomorrow when we finally get to that part

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Let's roll

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Please take it away

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Sorry I just

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Text from that

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Yeah his power is still out

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What's your favorite

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Bandit Blast album

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Color Temple or The Broad Thing

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Firstly, if you want to do it real quick, mine is the God thing. I know Jay has a different one. You can't go wrong with any of them. Mine is Christo. Christo is awesome. It's a kind of Monte Cristo, but it's with religious themes. So I like those two the most. Christo and God thing are my two things. Far of Grace is awesome too. The new live one would be almost the perfect entry though. I agree.

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All right, let's move on to new releases. First up is the album A Through Z by A Through Z. It's their first album featuring members of Fate's Warning and Warlord. I'm going to toss this one to John.

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So if you're not familiar with any of these guys, the A through Z refers to Ray Alder, who was the former singer of Fate's Warning, because Fate's Warning is no more. And the former drummer from Fate's Warning, Mark Zonder, who has been out of the band for a while, but he was part of their classic period, their early prog period. And it's a hard rock album. This is not a straight-on metal album, but it's got some metal tendencies. It's got some proggy tendencies.

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The Best Way to Describe It is it's Fate's Warning Parallels Era with Journey Choruses. I mean, it's uncanny how it sounds like Fate's Warning early on, and then it just rips into like a Steve Perry chorus. And I love it because it's a palate cleanser for me. It's not your traditional metal stuff. If you're not into this, it wouldn't be your thing. But the band is loaded with five amazing musicians. The musicianship on this album is outstanding. It's beyond belief.

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Another guy, Lalu, if anyone knows who Lalu is, I think I say his name, he's a French keyboardist. He had an album out earlier, so he's making the rounds with a lot of people, but he's got the basses from Steve Vai, the guitarist. I don't know some of the bands he's been in, but he's from the Netherlands. It's just a killer hard rock album with Prague and kind of AOR tendencies to it. Wasn't Mark Sonder in Dream Theater too? Who's that? Mark Sonder? Was Mark Sonder in Dream Theater? No.

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No.

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What's he in something else? Warlord. Warlord. Which was, but George, they had what, two albums, I think, didn't they, early on that were pretty well-known? Yeah, like 83, 84, somewhere on there. And they were close to break in, and they just didn't, you know, so. Broggy stuff. Yeah, like. No, more kind of traditional metal-ish a little bit. Some technical stuff to it. I think Deliverous was like 83. Yeah, yeah. It was like Metal Blade,

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It was, yeah.

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I love the A-Z album.

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Yeah, it's great.

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I think it's amazing.

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It's so good.

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I can't stop listening to it and singing the songs.

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Don't stop believing, man.

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No, really.

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The courses really are catchy.

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It's good.

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And like every single song is good at it.

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Ray Alder, it's like, I mean, I love him anyways, but this is the best he's ever sounded.

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I think so too, John.

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And the production's really good on it. Everything's great. And it's like, it has prog on it, but it's not, it's kind of like they pull back on that a little bit, you know? Until the guitarist, until he solos, and then he just fucking shreds. Right. Which is wild. So, yeah. And there's metal on it. I mean, it definitely qualifies for metal, but it is a lot of hard rock in there as well. So, yeah, I think it's one of my favorite records this year, to be honest with you. Wow. I would suggest, if you're looking for a little bit of a palate cleanser,

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because sometimes we all get in our wheelhouse of music that we love and sometimes you just need to kind of shift a little bit just to kind of give yourself a break it's i think it's a good album if you're a hard rock fan sometimes i need a little shift yeah you do honestly you really do because we sometimes listen to the same stuff over and over again you're like oh my god so anyway all right well let's move on to the next one which is conan evidence of immortality

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It's their fifth album, their UK Sludge Doom band. They've been mentioned already. Who is digging this? This is like Will's wheelhouse big time. I like it a lot. I knew you would. I think Sam likes him too. Yeah, I don't think they're really too different or anything. They're just straight up Conan. One of the things I love about Conan is they played Atlas,

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T-shirt with the actual dates and venues on the back. So I have a Conan T-shirt that says Atlas on the back, which is awesome. Yeah. I like this record a lot. I mean, I like Conan, but I find they're kind of a tricky band for me to love because they have really good songs. Like Levitation Hex is really good. It makes me want to just fucking hack up a giant snake and curse Krom. Yeah. But, you know, they have this kind of like a doom soup sound and it can get repetitive, you know?

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But this album is cool because I think they add some new ideas. Like they speed up the tempo on a couple tracks. Yeah, there's a lot of punk actually in ritual of anonymity and stuff. Yeah. They add synth, you know, to it. So but that experimentation is good, but it doesn't always work for me. So like that closer is really like this dirgy droning sound. And it lasts like 14 minutes. Whoa. So I like that they're trying to do other things.

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because they have a very, you know, their sound is like the same on a lot of songs. But I have to keep listening to it. I bought it on vinyl, actually, because I like Conan so much. But they're almost like one of those bands where I think I might have to make like a best of collection. I don't do this very often, but just take songs I really like from the album and put them on a compilation and listen to it. So. Nice. Sam, what are you thinking about this album?

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Well, I gave it a listen from song one to the last song. Besides Lepitation, Hope, Switched Your Love, Anonymity, and the last song that Markerson was mentioning, the 14-minute one. Besides those three songs, I quite agree with what both Will and Markerson mentioned about this album. Conan has a very specific sound, in my personal opinion.

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It's very doomy, gloomy, low-tuned, slow, dirgy guitars, and that really comes out on this album. I also feel that it's quite diverse in terms of its musical textures from different songs. So it makes for a good listen, George. I do feel that you would require multiple listens for this album for it to actually grow on you.

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There could be times where one song stands out more than the other. But that's the fun part about this album. I think, on the contrary, because Conan has a very specific sound which is repetitive, you can expect something from Conan which they deliver consistently. Which to some members in the audience, that could be a positive point, you know, because it suits their oral experience.

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So that's my,

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those are my two cents on Conan and this particular album.

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Yeah.

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Thanks.

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All right.

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Let's move on to the next album.

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Don Walker house of sand.

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It's their fifth album.

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They're a UK post metal post rock band.

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This again,

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you know,

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I put this on here because a couple of guys seem to like it.

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And so I'm hoping somebody has something good to say about it.

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I thought it was,

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It was beautiful. This album was beautiful. I totally loved the melancholy just crashing out the raw production, art transitions. It was just beautiful. Thanks for putting it. Yeah, sure. Does anybody else have anything they want to say? It's the album that has a house on the cover. It's like an Opeth album cover. Yeah, yeah. It's like a concept of it, actually. I love it. I'm sorry, go ahead, Will.

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Yeah, something's very short. Like, the first couple riffs of whatever song that they chose to listen to, and maybe, like, song number nine or something, some later song, the heavy riffs in the beginning remind me a lot of Inner Arma. I was like, holy shit. And then they started singing, and I was like, I'm out. Actually, this album is a lot different than their early stuff. It's even different than the last album. And they specifically kind of

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The word watered down is bad. They kind of pulled back a little bit on this one. I'll let you go ahead, Marcus. You were talking about it being a concept album. Yeah, no, I like this one. I didn't expect it, though, because it is very different from the last one, which I liked. I think the last one was actually on my top 25. Me too, yeah. So this one has just a lot more textures to it. It has a lot more going on in it. It has less of those, like, folky elements, and I don't know.

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They're just pulling from a lot of different places for this record. It feels a lot more experimental. But I like it because it is beautiful. Like Sam said, there's just passages in there that are just stunningly good. But yeah, I'm not sure how to feel about this record, to be honest with you yet. I keep listening to it, but I'm not really sure where I stand on it. I think it's a good record, but it's very different than anything they've done before.

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Yeah, well, you're right. Their last album, Ages, was a post-metal album. So there was more aggressive singing and heavier riffs. They purposely pulled back on this one. So the metal is there, but it's different the way they do it. It's more of a rock album, post-rocky. It's even proggy in spots. And the album title is based on an Elvis Presley song, which they cover on this album,

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which is kind of wild because it's a kind of a surreal version of a Elvis song from I'm trying to find the title of the song or album or it's from the movie Paradise Hawaiian Style from 1966 I watched the actual video that they have for the song I'm just like oh boy because you know if anyone knows anything about A. Murphy's commentary on Elvis and how he used to act it's spot on he couldn't act for shit so he just sang it as all his parts in his movies

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I was just listening to it again. It's song number nine, Coming Forth By Day. It is some of the heaviest riffs you can imagine on this, interspersed with some, like, proggy or stuff, but those initial, those heavy, heavy riffs, like, this is in Arma. And then, like, that, and then it goes, like, yeah, I think you would probably like their earlier stuff more. Well,

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It's like a little bit

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It is. I agree. It is. Yeah. Yeah. I was wondering what you folks think when you compare this to something like Sleep Token, which is also from the UK and considers itself a collective, which is quite interesting, which is quite out there and has elements from metal, but it's quite diverse. Do you folks have opinions on that? Because it reminds me of Sleep Token sometimes.

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I know the name, but I'm not familiar with them. So, Sleep Token. But I love this album. If I had like an overall list of all music, this would be on my list. But I don't know if I'll put it on for this year just because it is pretty rock driven. Yeah, and that's true. We struggle with that sometimes too. Because I had an album on the mid-year list, Astronoid, which you could probably, it's more rock, you know, but they have elements of metal in it. They have blast beats and things. What do you do for that?

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because it's probably not going to be on a rock list. So where do you put it? You know, it's like, I'm actually having trouble with A through Z. I don't know what you think, John. Could it be on a metal list or is it a rock list? I don't know yet. Yeah, for me, it's on the rock list. Yeah, for me, it is too. It's really symphonic. It was, it fits the rock bill better, but it doesn't matter. It's more about enjoying the music as Jay was mentioning. No, we enjoy it. It's not always about lists.

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But it's still really rocky for my liking. I mean, it needs a mood to listen. Yeah, Don Walker's probably going to fall on that. If we did rock lists, you know, it'd probably be high on the list for me because I do really like it. Yeah, these bands, I think, are just, these are all post-COVID albums now, so they all were kind of venturing limited resources during COVID. Now these albums are all coming out, so. Yeah. What about you, Jay and George?

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You guys would probably like their last album a lot more, I think. Just because it was more post-medally. It was pretty heavy, actually. I mean, I feel like I know the name. I've probably actually listened to them in the past. Yeah. Well, like I said, that last one was on my list. Yeah, mine too. We talked about it. It was on John's list, so we definitely talked about it. I think you've listened to it, George. I'm sure I have. Yeah, it's just we listen to like 5,000 albums a year and we can't keep it all straight. Yeah, I know, right? No, that's cool.

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All that stated, I did not listen to the A through Z record, and now I feel stupid. You are stupid. Jay, it might be in your wheelhouse if you're looking for that. Don't stop believing, Jay. Is it in the box? No, but just remind me I'll put it out there for you. Yes, please do. Yeah, because I just went and listened to a snippet, and I like Ray Alder in particular. He sounds amazing on this album. He really does.

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Well, let's move on, shall we? This next one is called Dreadnought. And it's their fifth album called The Endless. At least I think it's their fifth album. They're a Denver Black Folk Doom band. They're on tour with Elder right now. And Ruby and the Hatchet. And I actually really, I mean, I've known them in the past and I dig them. And I like this. It's kind of like,

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If Lorena McKennett had a black metal album. It's not really black. This one's not really black metal. Well, like Black Doom. I mean, there's some black in there. This is really almost a straight proggy avant-garde album, I thought, at least for my opinion. There's some like... She does, yes, she does drop the black metal vocals once in a while. Okay, right. So it's like Lorena McKennett doing a black metal album. She goes from like indie girl rock to

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like just vicious, brutal black metal vocals, which is kind of funny, I think. Yeah. I thought it was cool. It's a second generation mirror pur, George. Yeah, yeah. Oh, way heavier, though. Although this gets kind of, I don't want to use the word jazzy, but they do some weird kind of avant-garde kind of things. I love this album, personally. It's my favorite of their five so far. I thought it was really good, too. Yeah. It's like a pretty little explosion of an album.

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That sounds like a show on like CW or something. Like Pretty Little Explosion. No, I think that's actually pretty good, Marcus. The thing that I think, George, you probably agree with this because you and I talk about them every so often. This album, the songs are shorter. They're all like six to eight, nine minutes. And I think that that's new for them because most of their songs are like 14 minutes, 12 minutes. It seems like the eight, seven minute range works really well for them.

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I thought it was a good choice. Yeah, me too. And there's like a couple songs are like 10 and then the other ones are like six or seven. I think it works better for them personally. Apparently they're outstanding live. Everyone loves them live more than on albums. So I have to see them now. So indeed. But the real question of the episode is Machine Head of Kingdom and Crown, their 10th album. So

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I did because, you know, I've been a Machine Head fan from the first album, okay? And the second album, and maybe not so much the third album, and maybe not so much the fourth album, but then I like the fifth album and the sixth album. It's been a rocky road with Machine Head, and the last album was absolute garbage, okay? Like nothing good.

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As Decibel did the review that was a shrug. You know, okay. I get that. I understood that. I agreed with it. And clearly Rob Flynn was like, fuck these guys. I'm going to go a little bit heavier. And this is more, this is where they should have gone after the Locust album. Honestly. Okay. And I haven't,

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To be honest, I haven't listened to the whole album. I've listened to about three quarters of it. And it's definitely better. I can get into this. I get why you didn't listen to the whole thing because it's as long as fuck. But I was actually very prepared to hate this. And I almost didn't bother listening to it, George. But my dedication to the pod compelled me. So I have to say with much surprise, I actually like the record. It's not. It's pretty good. It's not a return to form.

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And it's definitely too long, but it's a good time. And it's a life-saving injection for a band who has meandered a lot in some weird new metal hazes. So it was cool to see that they still have some quality metal left in them. Yes. Rob obviously likes to, I don't know, like see, conform to whatever the trend is, even though the last album conformed to a trend,

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that was like 15 years old. Yeah. But clearly he understood the reviews of the last album and decided to work on that. And, and yeah, no, it's, I mean, as a machine head album, I dig it. Yeah. Okay. Well, you've kind of given me at least enough hope to listen to it. Cause I went with your initial instinct. Marcus. I was like, I'm not going to waste my fucking time.

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I'm expecting them to try to do something to get back to form this time.

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Ralph Flynn is such a love him,

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hate him guy.

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And that literally varies from year to year with this fucking guy.

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And I still think their pinnacle was the black name.

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That was such a good record.

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That's what they're trying to get back to with this.

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Yeah.

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I don't think he's going to get there.

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It's not that hard to get back to,

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but they didn't get back to it.

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My opinion,

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like the first couple of songs like,

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Oh,

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this,

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this is way better than the last piece of shit.

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But then as it meanders on, you're like, yeah, there's still all that new metal garbage. And that's where I haven't gotten through the whole thing. I'm sure there's some Hollywood Vampires or Ramstein album that you could revisit or listen to and save yourself. Ramstein is way more metal than Machine Head. I thought it was pretty solid. I'm not even a big fan of any of their albums, to be honest with you. I'm not really a Machine Head fan. I just don't like how he jumps on track.

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but he always seems to jump on trends when the trend is kind of fading out

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by like a couple decades

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yeah

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it's a great song

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you see that you see that the

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on the last album had that promo picture and they're all in like acid wash jeans i'm like

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hello early 90s

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and i'm sorry he's never

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ever

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never living that down

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no

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the sweatsuit and that fucking spiked hair

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no

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he still gets one

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I don't expect anything good from him ever again. But when Dio died, or maybe it was the anniversary of Dio's death, he did a great acoustic cover version of Die Young. But I haven't cared about anything since the Blackening, and that includes the Locust record, which I thought was okay. I liked the Locust. I mean, I wouldn't have listened to this out, but George did not put it on the list. I wouldn't even bother with it. We're spending way too much time talking about it. That's a very schoolboy-ish. I don't know why.

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It just felt very repetitive and dull. You're right, Marcus. I'm in a judgment to put this. I don't know if I would have bothered listening to it. Well, you're welcome. And on that note, let's move on. Yeah, let's move on to the next one, which is fucking awesome. And that is the new Psychroptic album, Divine Council. It's their eighth album. They're an Australian tech death band, and I fucking love this album. It's good. I need to spend more time with it. I've only listened to it a couple times.

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their production with Arxfire.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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I mean, I was wondering because Arxfire to me sounds cleaner, tighter, and much better produced as compared to Cycloptic.

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But at the same time, Cycloptic sounds a tad bit raw with cymbal work being more diverse.

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That's what I personally felt.

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But do you have any opinions on that, George?

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Yeah, no, I get that.

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I agree with that.

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But regardless, I still think it's a really good album for this year. Solid Melody is a really good album. Yeah, I agree. It was good, yeah. I like it. I definitely like the spin it more, too. I only listened to it once. So I haven't been the biggest fan of them, but I did like it. The last two of them were pretty good, I thought. I thought so, too. But not enough for me to put them on a list. Do you folks enjoy Take That in general, like listening in your rooms rather than watching it live? Because for me, live is definitely

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much better than enjoying in a room especially by the way um i'm this is not going

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backwards but i appreciated migua so much more live than i do on album by the way oh yeah man so they were so good

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weird they have a vibe yeah they kind of have a uana vibe live and anyway yeah i forgot to mention that how

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Were they the last band to perform that night? No, they were the first band of the whole festival. Wow. But it was dark at least, right? Let me rephrase that. They were the first band in the event center. Oh yeah, it was dark. Yeah. I just want to mention that, you know, one of the, let me look at this. Actually, two of the guys from Psychoptic were in a band called Domination Campaign, which did make my list.

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Last Year, which is another death metal band. And yeah, it was really good. Well, you know also, the one that they have with the cover that looks like Under the Red Cloud, what was that one called? That was on your list. The last one they did? You remember what I'm talking about? It's got patterned red and white. Because there's been so many red albums.

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I'll find it. He's just like a

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cycroptic album.

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A cycroptic album? Yeah.

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Yeah, as the kingdom drowns. That's like

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red-ish, blue-ish.

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For Sam's point

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there, there's a lot of bands that are live

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that are really good live. We even have

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another one on here that I think is

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awesome live, Spirit of Drifts.

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I don't really like their

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albums as much.

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So, you know, I think it's, for me, it really needs to be a combination of both. Dying Fetus is a great band when you watch them live, but listening in your room, I'm not sure. Yeah, exactly. Hey, George, it's a self-titled one. Oh, really? Yeah. Look at it. Look at it, George. Look at it. And it looks like the cover of Under the Red Cloud. Oh, yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah, I get that. Yeah, it's very,

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Finnish looking. I'm positive that was on your list whatever year that was. They're Finnish Australians. Yeah. Spanish Greeks. I remember seeing Cycloptic live in India. They were doing India. Really? Yeah, yeah, I've seen Cycloptic live in the small room. Nice. Are they from Finland? No, they're Australian. They're down under, mate. Die. Me of Liverscadus. What a band, man. Me of Liverscadus.

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Have you guys heard of it? What was it? Me of Liviskatis. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. No, actually, I saw them here in Baltimore. What a band, George. Yeah, they were great. At the soundstage, I saw them there, yeah. Okay. Are we going on to Russian Circles next? Yes, Russian Circles, Gnosis, their eighth album. Oh, man. Damn it. This is where I stopped listening because I ran out of time, but

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I'm looking forward to hearing reviews about this album. I'm sure it'll be stellar. They're also on the tour, right? I'm sure some of you would be watching them live. Yeah, no. I've seen them a number of times live. They're good. I've seen them once and looking forward to seeing them again this November. For a while, they seemed like they were opening for everybody. Yeah, and they're actually headlining those touring estates coming up. Nice. It's good. I mean, the problem with post-metal,

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instrumental, post-metal bands is that how do you differentiate the albums over time because they sound similar. And Russian Circles is probably my favorite of the kind of post-metal instrumental bands. And I like it. And I know a lot of people are loving this album. It's darker and heavier. I've listened to it once. I liked it. But I definitely need more time with it. But you won't be disappointed if you like them, I think is what it makes me.

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So it's darker and heavier compared to When Death Rides a Horse, Youngblood. No, no. If These Trees Could Talk, I mean, that's a separate band. They're past those first three albums. Every couple of albums, they kind of shift a little bit, but not much. So it's more in line with their last few albums. Well, I thought it was really good. I think listening to this album, it feels like the band went a little simpler this time around. It didn't seem like there was as much experimentation on it to me. But really fat.

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Serrated Guitars there with heavy shifts in atmosphere and Menace. Like, it felt a little heavier to me. Oh, it's definitely heavier. That's weird because I thought there was a couple... Heavier compared to what? Oh, what's the last two called? I can't even think of the names of them. Borns of a Dying World. Oh, no, that's FD Street Script. Oh, sorry. Hold on. I don't remember the last one. It has the silver cover on it, though. But, yeah, I thought they kind of got a little bit more back to basics. Which is kind of... Which is funny because they have a couple

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or songs on this album that they haven't done before, which I thought was interesting. It's interesting these post-metal bands are releasing all these songs together because there's another band called Long Distance Calling. Yes. Long Distance Calling is cool. Yeah. They also released another album, which is not there on the list, but that makes for a good listening. Yeah, no. Sam, I would say that this album is heavier than, like, say, their last couple, which is, like, Blood, Urine, Guidance. A lot heavier than those two. Got it. Heavier than Guidance. Heavier than Cotty.

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Yeah.

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You know,

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but like I said,

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every few albums like M pros and Memorial kind of have the same vibe and then enter station and Geneva all have their similar vibes.

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So they,

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they kind of every few albums kind of morph a little bit,

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but Marcus,

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I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying.

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I just haven't listened to it enough to,

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to kind of get that judgment yet.

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So I it's coming in the mail soon.

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So I'll listen to it.

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So,

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yeah,

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I think blood year had a lot more like just experimental things.

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Oh,

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I agree.

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It wasn't a heavy album at all. For them. For them. This was more focused, you know, and heavier. So that's why I say a little bit more back to basics than what they were doing. Because they have done a lot of cool, like, experimentation-type songs before in the past. And this one doesn't... Yeah, it has some slower things, but it just seems simpler to me, which is fine. I like when bands kind of do that, and then maybe they'll come back with something completely different. I will say this. If you've never seen them live, you've got to see them once, because they are heavy.

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As fuck. They're just fucking tight live, too. Fucking heavy. Anyway. I'm just, like, digging that, you know, Sam brought up the long distance calling. Yeah, they're cool, too. I like them. It's a great one. And it's good. The new one's good, yeah. I haven't heard it yet, but I like them. Yeah. All right, moving on to the next album, Seventh Storm, their first album, Maledictus. They're a Portuguese metal band.

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Featuring the drummer from Moonspell. And this was not at all what I thought I would be based on Moonspell. Or the cover. I thought for sure it was going to be like some symphonic. Like Running Wild, you know? Power metal, yeah. But it's, I mean, I just call it kind of metal. It's just metal. It's just metal. It's like, it's not power metal. It's heavier than power metal, but it's not like, you know, thrash or anything.

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like that it's just kind of metal and i dig it yeah it's cool i thought it was good and it's like epic swashbubbing metal with without the vocals without the cheese it's kind of like john bush fronting the metal baby of nightwish and hammer heart era bathory okay all right fair enough any other comments no if you're looking for a straight ahead metal i'll give this a spin all right well let's move on to the next album then because

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I love this one so much. This is the new Psy album. Shiki. It's their 12th album. They're a Japanese avant-black band. I love this so much. It's so good. I'm not a Psy fan and I told you this earlier, George. I was like, what the fuck? These guys are crazy and very original and

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I love this album so much

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at least for the last four or five albums

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you know

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yeah

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I'm gonna spin this some more this is cool

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I like it

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this is definitely a list buster for me

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so expect to see it at the year end

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apparently there's like real drums on this album

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meaning like it's not a shitty drummer

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from what I've been reading

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that guy just cranked on this album

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So I don't know who it is. I have to look more into him. Yeah. Any other thoughts on Psy? Yeah, I mean, I liked it. I think there's a lot going on in it. It's like I got to go back to it because there's just like choir choruses and chants and percussion solos and traditional Eastern instrumentation and synth and there's laser ray sounds on it. It's like it's a little overwhelming. I do like that it's pumped by these like big chug engine

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that has a dark atmosphere to it that I like. I like that unhinged rasp raptor vocal style. You know, I like this band, but I feel like it's one of those records that I probably will end up really loving, but I haven't, I need to immerse myself into it a lot more before that happens. Need time to digest it. Immerse yourself. Immerse yourself. I knew George would like it because there's a high level of skill and musical chairs that always makes his pants wet.

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But yeah, for me, it was a little overwhelming. I think they do a good job of merging it, but holy shit, there's just so much going on in it. Yeah. So I'll go back to it. All right. How does it compare to that other bands in Japan? What was the band? Dear in Grey. No, I know who you're talking about, and this is way better. Way better. No, no, it's not. It's definitely not.

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on my mid-year list.

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All right, we're going to fight about this one, Mark, is on, because...

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This is heavier.

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This is, like, way heavier than Dure and Gray.

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Exactly, because Dure and Gray is, like, the, like, you know, new metal version.

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Baby metal.

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Baby metal.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, baby metal.

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Exactly.

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This is a completely different thing.

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So, I mean...

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Dure and Gray is, like, a more...

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There's more emotional band, but...

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We will...

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We'll just leave it at that.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Okay, so Spirit of Drift.

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That's 20th century's fun. Yes. So I didn't realize this until we got the promo, but I thought this was going to be a whole new album, but it's really just two new songs and some covers. Yeah. Waste of time. Not entirely. I mean, I like the two new songs. I think they're pretty good. I just hate cover albums. I know you do. When you get tripped like that. They do a typo negative cover, which I thought was interesting. They covered Metallica.

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is Escape, which is such an underrated song. I'm glad to see it giving some love. Some Thin Lizzy, ZZ Top, Skinner, and yeah, that other racist band. But, you know, I mean, I dig Spirit Adrift. I do too. I love their heavy metal tendencies more than their doom tendencies. I just, I only want the two songs off of it. That's it. Yeah. I mean, this is obviously not given.

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Given the context of what it is, it's not going to be a lister. Oh, no. But, you know, I'll listen to it. No, I liked the two new songs. I thought they were good. There's six cover songs on it, too, right? The rest of the whole album is covered, yeah. It's prompted me to ask you a question, though, John, which is completely somewhat unrelated, except for it concerns a cover song. I was looking at something about the new Megadeth record, and did you know there's a cover of Sammy Hager's Burning Hell on there? What? Really?

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What? On the Megadeth album? I'll check that out, actually. I haven't heard it yet. I like that song. It's a good song. Yeah, I'll check it out. Maybe. I don't know if it's an extra or what, but it's not my song. I'm curious about that Megadeth, because I like the one song they put out, and I've heard good things about it so far. Oh, yeah. They put a second song on that one. It was good, too. Yep. This is typical Dave M.O., though. He'll put out a good album, then he puts out, like, two week albums after that,

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and they progressively get weaker. Then he's like, well, I got to rein it back to old Dave. And he does this a lot. And it's frustrating because you're like, he's got like 15 albums, but I like like six of them. Yeah. So here's, here's the quote. It says the sick, the dying and the dead features a cover of dead Kennedy's police truck and Sammy Hagar is this planet's on fire. Oh, the planet's on fire. Well, that's burning hell. Um, yeah. The latter of which includes vocals from Hagar himself. So I'll check that. I love that song.

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Yeah. All right. Sammy Megadeth. That's one of Sammy's heavy. That's a total metal song. I mean, it's a metal song. So I bet he still sounds really good at like 74. 74. Holy shit. He's at least 72, 73. I think he's 74. He's up there. He's an old fucker. When does that Megadeth album come out? Does anybody know? September weeks. Yeah. Yeah.

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That's crazy. Very curious about that. All right. Well, that is the end of new releases. Let's move on to our Thunderdome results from last time. Just give us the results and let's move on. Yeah. I was honestly surprised by this because on the last episode, Neurosis took it, like, hard. I was the only one. Yeah, I was the only one that went with ISIS.

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It was Neurosis' Through Silver and Blood versus Isis Panopticon. I was the only one to pick Isis. Yet, sad to say, so sad, Isis won on the website by 56% to 44%. It was close. I guarantee you, though, the people that would listen to this show or purchase their website, more people know that record than the Neurosis record. I'm almost sure that would be true. Yeah. And I will say,

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I agree. It's more metal adjacent too. And if I had chosen Oceanic, I think Isis would have come close to winning that. Because I know Jay and I would have definitely taken Oceanic. I would have gone Oceanic. Sam, are you familiar with these albums and do you have an opinion? No. Okay. I'm not familiar with these albums. That's fine. Well, you know what? Don't get them. Get Isis Oceanic. Don't be pleased. It's such a good record. Isis Oceanic.

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Yeah, the thing I feel smart about recently is besides Spotify, I applied for something called Hi-Fi Streaming. So you folks apply for Tidal or Cubos. Have you heard of these streaming? Yeah. Yeah, so I recently got a Cubos subscription. So I feel smart about collecting artists there. So let me try these new artists out there. Nice. I hold Oceanic in similar regards, even though it's a very different record.

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is like Leviathan. I think it's one of the best records of the early 2000s. Damn it. You had to say it, but that's okay. Matt's not here. He can't do it. It'll be my record of the episode. No, no. All right. Damn it, Matt. Where are you? Fucking goddamn. In case we haven't mentioned it, Matt's power went up because of a thunderstorm and he's not here. It's interesting. Real quick, George, about those results. Dan, our friend from Canada, had a funny comment

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on Facebook is like, is this even worthy of a pairing up because he's such a neurosis fan? Yeah. Whatever you say there, clown car. Yeah. But I had a feeling that once it got out of the podcast, it would be a different result and it served its purpose. Yeah. Yeah. No, definitely. All right. Let's move on to what we are listening to.

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All right, so what are we listening to? Sam, what are you listening to?

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Oh man, again, I think you had mentioned you mentioned six albums. I was like, screw it. I mentioned six to ten. Yeah, whatever you I used to put. I used to put 30 albums on here myself. That's cool. George's list was my bathroom break. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not feeling that bad. Yeah. Okay, cool. So let me begin with synthwave first. Listening to this artist called Ascender. There's an album called After Dark.

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Makes it really nice listening after dark. Especially after 7 or 8. It's nice. You guys should check it out. The artist is called Essendia. E-double-S-E-N-G-E-R. The next album is Dead Roots Stirring by the band Elder. They are recently on tour, so I've been checking out Elder with Dead Roots Stirring. Then there's a band from Singapore called Worm Rocks. If Matt was here, he would be doubly agreeing with me.

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The New Room Rod album is awesome. Yeah, exactly. So I've been blasting some Room Rod voices. As you know, they've undergone some changes in the band with the singer retiring and the band manager changing. Anyways, then I've been having some fun with Ufo Mammoth from Italy. Oh, wow. God Like Snake. I'm happy that the band is back. Sleep, The Sciences. Om, Advaitic Songs. I really like Om, the band.

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This Place Will Become Your Tomb. And last but not the least, the section Storm of the Night's Bane. Oh, wow. Yeah. I mean, come on. Aside from the fact that he was, you know, kind of a dick. Yeah. But the album is... That is one of the things where I was like, I had a real problem. I'm like, he's kind of an asshole, but this album is so good.

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I mean, oh my god, shit. Yeah. It's like a freight train, actually. Yeah. He's one of the people that I kind of forgave, in a sense. I mean, he paid his dues. He was in prison for his due time, and then he shot himself. Yeah, it's like, well, if you're dead. What else? Yeah, you're dead. So much a man can do. Exactly. So, yeah. I still listen to this section.

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despite all that.

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Yeah.

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I mean,

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Somber Lane is good too.

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I mean,

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no,

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of course.

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All three.

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I mean,

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you know,

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Storm,

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Somber Lane,

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and Rain Chaos are all amazing albums.

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Yeah,

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Rain Chaos is insane.

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I mean,

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if you guys especially understand the significance of the lyrics of his last song,

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where he's playing to Kali,

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it's literally the goddess of death.

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Right.

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And if you get the significance,

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It's quite meaningful and gets quite intense if you understand what's happening. Right. And what ended up happening in reality. But musically, he was a genius. Yeah. Crazy ass genius, but a genius nonetheless. Definitely. Yeah. All right. Okay. Who's next? Mark it's on. So that's what's up. Yeah. So what am I listening to? Morbid Evils, Supernaturals on Transcending Obscurity,

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This album is a heavy, thunderous ooze of death doom and sludge driver hypnotics. It crawls, it crackles with this dark, tormented energy that I really like in it. I think it's going to be one of those albums that kind of flies under the radar, but I think it's really great. What's the name of the album again? It's called Morbid Evils. Morbid Evils. Yep, and the album's called Supernaturals on Transcending Obscurity, which we've talked about.

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So next album is Autognosis, Moon of Foul Magics, independent release. I just stumbled across this freaking monster today, and it's just a devastatingly great high-energy Black Death record with these gut-punching solos. It's unbelievable to me how a record like this, and this happens all the time, is this good, and it just drops in out of nowhere, you know?

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and then you just find it somehow. I don't know how, but I just find these things sometimes and it's great. Autognosis, I looked it up because I was like, this probably means something. It means the awareness of one's own existence as an entity in time. The next album I have on my list is Black Braid and the album is Black Braid 1, independent release. This is an electrifying Native American black metal record from the Adirondack wilderness.

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It's a one-man project by a guy named Skaga Sawa, who mixes traditional black metal with sounds from Native American instruments into these kind of moody, earthy compositions. It's mostly straight-ahead black metal, but you get those little flourishes of things that kind of elevates it to another level. There's a lot of great riffs in it, very riffy black metal with a melodic depth to it.

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How do you spell it, Mark? BlackBraid is B-L-A-C-K-B-R-A-I-D. BlackBraid. Okay. And Skaga Sawa? How do you spell that? The guy's name, I don't remember how to spell the whole thing. I just remember his name, Skaga Sawa. Okay, so BlackBraid is the name of the... Yeah. Just look up BlackBraid. It's on Bandcamp. It's on Bandcamp. Yeah, it's all over the place right now. Yeah, yeah.

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It has killer production on it too. So that elevates the album for me as well. Oh, okay. This looks sick, man. It's really good. The next one is Species to Find Deliverance on Awakening Records. This is another one I just found and didn't know anything about the band. It is their first album, but it's a lava hot technical thrash destroyer. Blistering solos on this thing. Rasp cranky punk vocals. I love the guitar tone on here. I love the roll

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Bouncey Bass that's on this thing throughout. You really can hear the bass on it. And they just deliver a lot of great shifts and melodic breaks that keep me engaged for all 44 minutes. It's one of my favorite thrash records of 2022. And I've been lamenting the fact that I haven't had a lot of good thrash albums, but lately we've been getting some good ones. So for me to say it's one of the better ones, that's something.

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because I already have Ancestor who I love. I love that album. And Critical Defiance just released their album. And those are both great thrash records. But this is Speecy's first record. And it's pretty impressive for that first outing. The next one up is A Chrome Ghost, The Diving Bell from Seeing Red Records. This is an album from 2020. But I've been revisiting it because the band announced a follow-up record coming out in October.

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And the Diving Bell was one of those albums that just kind of slipped through the cracks for me a couple years ago. We all have these records where we find after the fact, you know, you probably should have been on my top 25. This is really gorgeous, warm and mesmerizing post-Doom. Are you also following this, Markison, on that 666 Mr. Doom channel on YouTube? No, I don't even watch YouTube. Did they talk about this there?

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Yeah, no, this is on a Doom channel where I mostly get my Doom music just like I get my black metal from, black metal promotions. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So have you heard Chrome Ghost then? No, actually, no. I quite enjoy that kind of stuff. So that's why I'm noting it down. Yeah, you'll like it. I mean, they have some really, the singing on it is great. They do growled vocals, but there's a lot of great singing on it as well. And the riffs are just fantastic on it.

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It's a fucking

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just more well-developed planetoid of metal.

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And I think it's

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going to probably be their breakout record.

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It's officially out on October 28th.

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So we got it a couple of months ahead of time.

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And so that's what I've been listening to.

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Nice.

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How do you spell The Last Land again?

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Universally Estranged.

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Universally Estranged.

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That's okay.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Blood Harvest Records is what you said. That's right. Yep. It's up there. I think they may only have one song right now because it's just one. Yeah. Just dropped. But you can listen to their previous record, which is also really good. I just did some little incantation with this sci-fi and metal stuff. A little bit. They don't quite sound. Blood Incantation is a little spacier to me. This one's more. Dojo. Yeah. It's more evil. More evil. I don't know.

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Yeah, it's really good. And this is a step up from the last one, I think. Okay, so they're back. Thanks. Yep. All right. Matt is still without power, so we're going to move on to John. Okay, so we've already talked about most of my list, so I'll just run through it real quick. A through Z, Dunnwalker, Dreadnought, and Russian Circles only once, but I was spinning the other three a lot this past couple weeks.

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the newer albums,

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uh,

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Aprian bound albums called multiplicity.

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It's a prog metal band from Florida.

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That's got some,

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uh,

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kind of extreme avant-garde moments to it.

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Uh,

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has kind of a nineties metal progressive metal feel,

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but that's what actually featured them on,

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on their website,

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which I was a little surprised because I didn't think decibel actually

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featured many prog metal bands,

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but they did.

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And they kind of referenced it as fate's warning,

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songwriting,

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writing stylistics and progressive bent.

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And then also mentioned between the buried and me.

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And I was like,

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I'm not hearing any of that.

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Then I went back and listening.

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I'm a few more times.

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It's like,

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okay,

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I'm hearing all that.

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Do not doubt the decibel.

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So I was happy to see that they featured them.

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I think it has more,

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it's like nineties sounding prog metal,

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but between the buried and me a little bit more.

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So it's kind of cool.

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I liked it.

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And I'm gonna spin it some more. Cause it just came out and we still have, what's the date? We're on the 27th and we got a few days left to pick our albums of the month. Oh shit, that's right. Fucking getting crazy. I'm all set. All set. I would probably pick A through Z, but I can't cause it's not really metal. Right, so we got a few days. You better get picking something else then, Biatch. Biatch. It's actually also not really out. What's that? A through Z?

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A through Z isn't released yet.

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Yeah, it came out like last week.

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I don't know right now.

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Yeah, I already got it.

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Come on, Jerry.

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I was just looking for it and I couldn't find it.

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And then I let's get it.

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Anyway, whatever.

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Okay, cool.

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Get with the program, Jay.

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I haven't heard yet, but A through Z is out.

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Yeah.

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We got a couple more.

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Bandit, no one's mentioned so far, came out a few weeks ago, Raking Aura.

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Oh!

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And Bowmill.

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I like it.

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I think it's my album of the month, was it?

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Was that in July?

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If now is August, then yes. For July, yes. Was it really? Wow. Yeah, it goes fast, right, John? Fuck. Well, no one's mentioned it, you know, and I have spanish. Yet? No, no, not on the podcast. Yet? No, no, on the podcast. Yet? On the podcast. Yet. Oh, boy. Anyway, it's a cool death metal. I don't know if there's any standout tracks, but I like the whole album.

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And it's a short album, it's only like 33 minutes, but it's good stuff. It's got members from Grey Skies Fallen, Artificial Brain After Birth, Blood or Buckshot Facelift, which is like, wow, that kind of sounds like it hurts. Yeah, it really does. It really does. And now my note, Jay is looking forward to it. That's the Van and Plass Live and Immortal. This is just such a good live album. It's unreal. If you like that kind of 90s into early 2000s, progressive

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Sound. These guys are our band for you. Vanden Pals. Vanden Pals, yeah, exactly. Chronicles of the Immortals Tour. It's from 2016, so it's an actual few years old live album. The album just came out, but the show they are releasing is from a few years ago. It's just so good. It really is. It's the same five guys from day one, and like Jay was saying earlier, their singer, who's now, Jay, you're ready for this? He's 60 years old.

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I was like what the fuck when did that happen

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that is shocking yeah he sounds

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amazing at his age it's unreal

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how good he is so

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anyway it's a good if you like that

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stuff it's a good live album and

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I'll be the first to mention

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it I've been spinning

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holy diver deal that Joe

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remix like

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crazy

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it is the next

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album after mob rules it really

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is yeah it sounds

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It's almost more like a Sabbath record now. It sounds exactly like Sabbath. That's no disrespect to Dio. It just, the production sounds like heaven and hell. It really does. Since it's been brought up, you know, when this came up, I was like, what? I need to hear this. And I went online, and because I don't buy the physical products like the rest of people do anymore, I bought a digital version. And it was like, oh, this is Dio, Holy Diver, came out in July of 2022.

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this is what you want and so I grabbed it and it was the remaster which is closer to the original in terms of the song structure not the remix and I was like well I mean I listened to it and I was like holy shit this sounds amazing okay but then it came to my attention that this was not the remix I'm like well remixing is a lot different than remastering if you know anything about I was like big

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You gotta get the fucking remix If you know anything about music, remixing is completely different than remastering. And so I was like, alright, I'm gonna drop another $12 and buy the remix version. And I was like, oh yeah, definitely worth it. It's like he tore it. It's almost like re shouldn't even be in the order. It's like he tore it down and started from scratch. Yeah. Really. The things that I enjoyed is that they

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got rid of any vocal effects on it. Well, with the exception of, um, um, it's, it's, it's the wise man always, right? No, we can play the fool. What's the son? Hold on. Let me get it. Yeah. But for the most part, all the vocal effects are taken out and it's just him singing straight. And it just, he doesn't need to have those anyway on those albums. Never needed them. They layered them before him. And now it's just, man, now,

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It sounds so organic. And George and I were going back a little bit on it. And I agree with George. He used the word punchy. And that's not it. It just has an aggressiveness, but it's clean, but it's not overproduced. It sounds very organic. You can hear every. This is the first time I've actually appreciated Vinny Apocet on drums because he sounds amazing on this. I always knew he was good, but now he's

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It has to be. Caught in the Middle. So Caught in the Middle is one of the few songs where he left the vocal effect on there and somehow it made that song sadder and sort of slower. It feels slower to me, especially in contrast to the way the other ones are so punchy. The record flows different now. Not to mention you get like an extra whole minute of guitar solos on his visible. And there's no fade outs on the album at all.

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And the only one that he could have done a fade out on was Shame on the Night, because that's kind of like over and over, or what's the one on Lonely is the Word? Yeah, it would have made more sense to do it there, yeah. So my take on it, John, is that it's like, remember when we did, well, forget the Thunderdome, but when, famously, when Ozzy

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He made, um, uh,

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Blizzard of Oz. Thank you. And they made heaven and hell.

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I think this record sounds like blizzard of Oz and in heaven and hell smashed together.

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Cause there's also more history onyx in the best kind of way by Google and Campbell on this.

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It's, and I figured out what was wrong with, with it. There wasn't anything wrong.

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It was a great record, but it was that they just,

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it was right when metal was breaking and they just gave the O to some dude to mix who was like, okay,

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everything that's metal kind of sounds like this right now.

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And he mixed it that way.

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This is like if Martin Birch mixed it.

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And it somehow took a classic record and made it that much fucking better.

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It's so good.

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I agree.

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I rarely give a shit about remasters, remixes, because they're just like, yeah, okay.

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It sounds a little clearer.

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But this made a huge difference.

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Huge difference.

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Huge.

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And it's one of my favorite records of all time.

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Yeah.

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And it's better.

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I like it better. Well, and that's why I say on last cast, when we were first talking about it, it's like, this is the definitive version. I'm not going back to the old version ever. Cause it's so fucking good. And George, I agree with one of your comments. Partially. Fuck you. Yes. No, I think you'll, you'll agree. I'm just kidding. Some of the count-ins I think work. And some of them like, okay, you didn't need to have it there. They do some. Yeah. I didn't need the count-ins. I'm like, some of them they work on. And some,

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I don't. Well, I mean, it's not that it doesn't work. I mean, it's always works. It's a count in, but sort of, but it's just that, you know, I'm not used to having count ins on this album, so I don't need them. Yeah. Well, so here's my take on that. I don't mind them and I could go both ways, but one of the things I think this record accomplishes and the count ins are part of this is that I don't think listening to the original version, you appreciate how good a fucking band this is and how tight they were probably as friends.

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and brothers and people with a shared vision. Like the podcast people. Pull off really something pretty spectacular. It's all melted together in the original mix. Everybody's a star on this one. John was saying earlier, he liked how it feels more organic. And I like with the count-ins, it actually adds to that too. So I like that part as well. It also sounds more live, you know. I mean, I get that. I'm just going to say that, Jay. It sounds like they're actually playing in the studio one take. And they probably were to a certain extent because, you know,

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I'm sure he was like you know they probably did overdubs I mentioned also too that they brought up in almost every single case the background vocals which were Ronnie they brought them up in the mix he brought them up in the mix and so you can really appreciate some of the other notes you know what I mean like as dumb as that sounds I just can't say enough good about it and I'm not I'm with you John I've been listening to this a lot now I

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I really wish that we would get Diary of Madman like this because

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the one thing well the reason there's a specific reason why without the fade outs I love hearing those guitar

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solos that I always hated hearing fade out like you hear the guy just going nuts in the back

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and you're like no no come back don't go away and on this album so what there's one only one song I can't think of it that the extended ending is like okay we can end now

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It might be Invisible because it goes and goes and goes

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But the rest of them all sound great

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In Invisible goes on for like an extra minute

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and they just cut Vivian loose

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Yeah, and I love that stuff

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I love it, so anyway, that's all I got

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Well, I'm with you on that 100%

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I just love this

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I embraced it from the get-go

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I didn't know what to expect from it

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but it made one of my favorite records better

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So, what am I listening?

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What are you listening to?

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That's a fair question. So I have some weird shit this week. Outside of that, and that really is on my list, the other newest release that I'm listening to is the Vandenploz record, about which John is exactly right. Vandenploz. You know, we're fanboys of them. I mean, I think maybe even me a little worse than John, because John has a lot more prog stuff to listen to me. But I don't know. That band's got my number. Very, very good live record, which pushed me into

03:43:47.980 --> 03:44:17.520
I'm going down to a live record wormhole. And John, you will not be surprised that even though I haven't really set this aside yet, I must have spun this 10 times this last two weeks. YYZ. But even more than that. Still the best album in 2022. But you know what? You know what I really realized? And we did this a while back. We're like, what's your favorite Rush record? I said, Hemispheres. But you know what? It's movie pictures. It's such a good record, dude. It really is.

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I mean, it's sort of their

03:44:20.260 --> 03:44:22.120
screaming for vengeance or whatever, you know what I mean?

03:44:22.580 --> 03:44:24.800
And I mean that in both good and bad connotations.

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But that's a great tour.

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Now, the other thing that I listen to even more than that

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is that permanent waves show you sent me.

03:44:32.199 --> 03:44:33.180
It's so good.

03:44:33.760 --> 03:44:35.200
It's so good, dude.

03:44:35.500 --> 03:44:36.440
So I've been stuck in a rush.

03:44:37.460 --> 03:44:38.920
And then for some reason,

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so the other thing I'll mention is that

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with having seen the live bombers thing recently

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and also kind of getting ready for the Iron Fist,

03:44:47.080 --> 03:45:16.980
I've been listening to Motorhead a lot again lately. And then last but not least, and this I think comes out of the Rush stuff, and I was just in a frame of mind of when I was listening to those records first in my life, which would have been like high school, and I really did go through huge Rush face in high school. But I kind of fell back towards Pink Floyd again, and I listened to Dark Side of the Moon for the first time in a while the other day, and I realized something, and it's that Animals is my favorite.

03:45:17.080 --> 03:45:47.040
a Pink Floyd record. It's gotta be, dude. Hands down. And I listened to that like five times in the last week. That's such a fucking good record. I know I'm getting off the metal trail here, but. Hey, Jay, the remaster's coming out in a couple weeks. Yeah. You know, wasn't there a big group of them that came out, though? Didn't they do like everything? Yeah, but this is the only one that hasn't been released. It is, okay. The remaster's not a remix. Just saying. This is a big deal. There was like all kinds of issues legally

03:45:47.060 --> 03:45:47.540
about this.

03:45:48.199 --> 03:45:48.520
Oh,

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that explains a lot,

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John.

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Cause I did get on Amazon and I'm like,

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why don't I have this on vinyl?

03:45:54.260 --> 03:45:54.880
Cause they did those.

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I bought the big monster box.

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The immersions.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And,

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and,

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and then again,

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I say,

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it's my favorite one.

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And I was like,

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what,

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why is it not up on the shelf?

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It's such a good album.

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It's so good.

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It's a,

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it's a,

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it's what metal it's about as metal as you can get for a prog album.

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I think it is.

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And it's,

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um,

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I do think it's their finest moment.

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So anyway, I kind of got this older stuff this week, but I was reminded how much I love some stuff.

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And I'll send any, Marcus, you in particular, George, you'd like it too, I'm sure.

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Oh, of course.

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This Permanent Waves set was an excellent sound, by the way.

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Where did that come from?

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Was it done professionally or something?

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It's just a bunch of the best soundboards from that tour.

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And it's every song from that show. I think it's only missing one song. Okay. So good. It's so good. I don't know if you guys listened to the live at YYZ thing, which was, this is on par with that. I would say it's just as good. Yeah. Yeah. If you're a Rush fan, you'll like those two albums a lot. When is the Animals thing coming up, Jim? Let me take a look. It's soon. It's like really soon coming up. Okay.

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I got a little bit off the metal track there, but the most metal things going on in this house this week were Dio, Van de Plaza, for sure. All right. Anyone of you see Primus covering Rush in the recent tour? Yeah. Yeah. Was it Farewell to the Kings they did? Yeah, Farewell to the Kings. I was wondering if anyone saw that, what was your opinion as compared to the original Rush's performance? Yeah. Okay. So I couldn't go because it was a cover band doing it.

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And I'm a huge Rush fan and I have all the respect for Primus. I just couldn't do it. I just couldn't do it. That's because that's my favorite Rush album. And so I would only want to see Rush play. However, I did watch the South Park 25th anniversary concert with Primus doing The Farewell of the Kings and Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson came out to play Closer to the Heart with them for the first time since 2015. So I did watch that. And? It's fucking awesome. Of course it is.

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It was like an eight minute long version of Closer to the Heart, which is like two hours or two minutes and 50 seconds. I was like literally just listening to that like two days ago. This is so good. They did the South Park theme song too and some other stuff. Yeah. Going down to South Park closer to the heart. Yeah. And Matt Stone tried to play drums. He did an admirable job for not being a live drummer. For not being Neil Peart. Yeah. So.

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And I have all the respect for Primus playing it. I just couldn't go. It was too hard for me to do it. I'm actually not really interested in seeing somebody else do that. I have never even watched the complete version of the Foo Fighters doing their 21-12 thing. It's like covering Zeppelin or something. It just doesn't work somehow for me. And what's funny about it is that the only time I've ever seen Primus was opening for Rush in 1992.

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In, of all places, Jay, the Oakland Coliseum. It was a home show for Primus. Dude, the last time I saw them was their opening for, of all people, Slayer. This was on the farewell tour, and they were like, and even Les Claypool was like, we don't know why we're on this tour either. He literally was saying this from the stage. He was like, now's the good time to go buy a Slayer shirt. I will give them this. They have a good sense of humor.

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about that stuff.

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Oh,

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one thing they did at that that I liked John was they had,

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uh,

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the possessed had a record called beyond the gates,

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which was after seven churches.

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It's good too.

03:49:53.260 --> 03:49:54.120
It's kind of concept.

03:49:54.300 --> 03:49:55.200
It's a good record.

03:49:55.740 --> 03:49:56.500
Didn't get enough attention.

03:49:57.520 --> 03:49:58.080
And they did a,

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um,

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primus shirt in that,

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as that record cover.

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Cause Larry was in possessed.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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And so they did that.

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And I don't know if they did that everywhere or just the Bay area or

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probably for every Slayer show.

03:50:11.460 --> 03:50:41.420
But anyway, what is? Hey, Jay, real quick. September 16th for Animals Remix. It actually is a remix. Remix? Yeah. And George is into those. Yeah. Thanks, dude. The magic word. That brings us to you, George, with my apologies for having gone on there. That's all right. Most of my list has not been mentioned except for one. Wow. Nice. How unusual, right? Yeah. So first up is a bad

03:50:43.640 --> 03:51:10.960
The Wretched Sermon. It's their sixth album. They're an Irish death groin band. And you should listen to them. It's very good. That's not very Irish. He said grind, so probably not. Yeah. Next up is Carrion Vale, V-A-E-L. Abhorrent Obsessions. It's their third album. They're from Richmond, motherfucking Virginia.

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And they're not listed as such, but I consider them a tech death band based on the album. It's very arch spy-ish. So if you dig that, I think you'll like this. Next up, it's unfortunate that Will had to leave, but Cast Trader, Defiled in Oblivion. This is their first album, they're a New York death metal band. I know Will would like this. He would have mentioned it if he was here.

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Next up, Christian Mortem Solas, their 12th album, their Brazilian death metal band. If you don't know these guys, then you might as well just fuck off, because, I mean, come on. It's Christian. Come on. Just listen to it. Fuck off. Fuck off. My next one has actually been mentioned surprisingly by John. Reeking Aura, Blood and Bone Meal.

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New York, New Jersey, death metal album band. That's their first album. My album of the month last month. Fucking awesome. And got to give a shout out to Justin because he made me listen to this at the last minute. And I was like, oh, shit. So thank you, Justin. Even though we had it on New Music Friday. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But, you know, I don't fucking listen to you guys. Well, George actually changed his album of the month. I did.

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I did. Yeah. But I don't listen to you guys. I listen to Justin because apparently fucking Justin rolls, man. Maybe Justin listened to me. Maybe, maybe just saying. No, Justin's always on, on par with that. No, it just was the timing of it. I was like, Oh shit. And lastly, I would not. Yeah. Well, six, I limit myself to six these days. Uh, I did not expect to put this on here, but

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But finally, with their 12th album, I finally got this band. Soulfly, Totem, not mentioned yet. I mean, I'm a huge Max Cavalera fan. I love Sepultura up through Roots-ish. But I never really got Soulfly. And so now I listened to this and I was like, holy shit, this is an amazing album.

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And then I went one back. And I was like, oh yeah, that's pretty good too. And then I went one more back and I was like, oh yeah, that's pretty good too. So I'm currently working my way back to figure out why I don't like all the Soulfly albums. And maybe I do. Maybe I do at this point. I got some soul bitches. So. My soul flies. My soul flies. So. And you know, it could be because at MDF, we

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We saw Max and Igor doing the Sepultura stuff, and it fucking blew my mind. Could have an influence. I don't know. I've heard a lot of people like the new Soulfly album a lot. But I don't know. I mean, when the first Soulfly album came out, it was a little too new metal to me. I mean, it just wasn't eh. It was like eh. I don't know. I don't know what to say, but I have not listened to the first one yet. Like I said, I'm working my way back.

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We'll see.

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But I definitely dig this one and at least the last couple before.

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So.

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Cool.

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And that is it for what we are listening to.

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Now.

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I got to point something out to you real quick, John, because as you were talking about A through Z, which I went ahead and gotten, so you don't have to worry about putting it up.

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Okay.

03:55:02.659 --> 03:55:04.180
Um, and I'll listen to it tonight.

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You were describing it.

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I want to say you said it was a bunch of pro guys doing A&R stuff.

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Right. Or AOR stuff. Album-oriented rock with Journey solos or Journey choruses. And I can't remember what you said about the verses. So it's the music has a Fates Morning Parallels vibe with AOR Journey-esque type choruses. So when you said that, I thought of one band. And I'm sorry about this. Asia. No, but I looked at the record cover and look how A through Z is, dude. That is the total Asia.

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There ain't no dragon on there. What are you talking about? By the way, well, no, but look at the way the their logo is. I don't get that cover. And that's you sign who's like godlike for album covers. You know, he's did all the rush album covers. I don't get it. The inside cover, I think, is actually better. But yeah, it's it's I saw it. I was like, this is this an Asia album.

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That cannot have been a mistake. I'm sure they do that. I have to go back and look and see if Hugh Sime did that. If you don't know Hugh Sime, he's a famous artist. The Asian one or theirs? I have to go back and look and see if Hugh Sime did the Asia album because it's too similar. It really is. It is by

03:56:43.779 --> 03:57:10.280
You know what, dude? I don't think you're going to believe me when I tell you who it is. Michael Jackson? Travis Smith. No, it's Roger Dean. Oh, is it really? Well, yeah, it makes sense for the artwork, yes. Oh, with the logo, you mean? The logo, you're right, it's spot on. They look exactly the same. Says here, Asia's artwork and logo were created by Roger Dean.

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That's so funny. That's so funny, but I guess it makes obvious sense. So just to interject, Matt just sent a picture to the podcast chat of Han Solo, frozen in carbonite, because he cannot get back on. And that is pretty awesome. Is he coming? No, he's still out. No power. His phone works. His phone does, but he said he needs to save his power.

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All right, well, let's belt out this top five. Yeah, so top. Kid, you're clear. Let's blow this thing and go home. You tell Sam's getting tired. You like that? Sam's like, did I really sign up for five hours of this shit? Buck up, young buck. No, man, the thing is, I'm just listening to stuff which I haven't involved myself into so good because I haven't been listening to DO or the dual album. Oh, my God. What the fuck?

03:58:10.760 --> 03:58:40.540
Yeah, you got homework. Hey, that's the best part of this thing. If you have homework after this, that's a good thing. Dio might be the patron saint of this podcast, I would say. He's one of the great loves we all have in common, for sure. Sam, if you're going to hang out in a parking lot with a bunch of strangers, you're going to have to bring your A-game. Sure. I can tell you Dio is coming up again. Yeah. Get on it, buddy. There's a movie coming in.

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All right. All right. So top five.

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Our top five this time is top five bands we'd recommend to people who want to try metal. Now, Markisan mentioned earlier today that this was a tough, tough list. For me, it was absolutely easy. And I want to say that because unlike most lists where five is the lowest and one is the best,

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For me, this list is walking in backwards. Because you have to start at the beginning and end more recent. Interesting. So while my number one... Shit. I completely fucked up how I wrote this down. My number five band is probably something that I would consider better than my number five.

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number one band,

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but because I'm backing into this as I'm somebody wants to get in metal.

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Okay.

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I'm going to start them here and I'm going to work here and then a little more and a little more.

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Oh,

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I see.

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You,

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you did a different way than when I started older and went to newer.

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You're talking about,

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here's the first album I'm going to give you.

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And then I'm going to progress with this next album,

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the next one,

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right.

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To get them,

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to get them from something that maybe they don't understand to something.

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something eventually that is a lot heavier than they might actually think.

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You're just like, George is like a plan for one person.

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Like, this is what I'm going to start you with.

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Then I'm going to go into this one.

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I am your heavy metal trainer.

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Or drug dealer.

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Or drug dealer.

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Actually, much by accident, I did the same thing.

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Excellent.

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I didn't do that.

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I picked bands that I thought, you know, would be good entryways for people.

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Yeah.

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Based on what they are.

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Let's fucking do it.

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Progress.

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Yes, well, it shall be what it shall be. But we're going to start with Sam. What is your number five? Yeah, your number five. Sure. Let's see. So this is something, before I begin, I'd like to point this out. I didn't follow this list personally, but I think if I would have followed this, maybe two things would have been different. That's cool. But that being said, let's begin.

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I think number five should be Jimi Hendrix. Are you experienced? Oh, yeah. Perfect. I think that's what everyone should listen to once to understand what music structure is about. And even if it leaves you frustrated or irritated because you don't get the music or it's not something which you understand in the first listen, I think it's an album which will help you cultivate patience and also help you understand how good music is written.

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Yeah.

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Because it's just simple stuff done really well, extremely well, way ahead of its time.

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Yeah.

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That's a total pregenitor of metal.

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Yeah.

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And one of my all-time favorites is Jim.

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Honestly, I'm embarrassed I didn't choose that myself.

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Yeah, totally.

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I went a similar route, and I love Hendrix.

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I might not have chosen that album.

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I might have chosen the band of Gypsies or something instead, but that's great.

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I would have gone with that experience.

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I'm a little confused.

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It says top five bands we would recommend. And you guys did all albums? No, I picked. No, I did bands. I did bands, but it's fine to mention albums. Oh, no, no, that's perfect. Perfect. Okay. Okay. Just want to make sure. I will probably mention an album for each band, but just saying. Yeah, no. Okay, good. I just want to make sure I didn't do it different than you guys. You didn't fuck up, John. It's all right. No, I know I didn't fuck up. I just want to make sure I didn't do it different. You want us to make sure you didn't fuck up. Yeah.

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I fuck up all the time.

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So how are we doing this?

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Every one of us mentions a band number five once and then just seems to band four?

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No, we'll go to Markisan now.

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So we're going to go.

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Now I do my number five.

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Yeah.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And then we round robin until we get down on one.

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All right, Marcus.

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Give it to us.

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Yeah.

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My number five is a Pelican.

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Oh, yeah.

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What a bad man.

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Yeah, I know.

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One of the biggest complaints I hear from people who don't understand metal is they dislike the vocals. And growls are a hard sell, of course. I thought the Pelican didn't have vocals. I know. Well, we'll get into that. Jesus Christ. Which Pelican is this which has vocals? I thought Pelican didn't have vocals. What was that, Sam? Which Pelican has vocals? I thought Pelican didn't have vocals. Yeah, I didn't think they did. They don't, but George is jumping the gut because he's probably drunk and didn't listen.

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what I was saying. George likes to interrupt even though they have vocals on one song. And they do have vocals on one song. What I'm saying is one of the biggest complaints I hear from people who don't understand metal is that they dislike the vocals. The growls are a hard sell. I've also found it hard to turn people on to like big operatic singers. So I felt like I needed to have an instrumental metal band on my list. Therefore Pelican. Gotcha. So Pelican is one of my all-time favorites in this genre.

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And I think their mid to late period albums offer a good amount of variety, compelling riffs, enough for people to get interested in the band who like rock. And I also have friends who are into ambient music as well. So an instrumental metal band might be something they can give a try because it's adjacent to their wheelhouse. So you get a little bit of heavier riffs, you get some good song structures. I think it's like a good introduction. You can kind of move on to some other things.

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I agree with this. It's a good choice. Thanks, George. All right. My turn. So, George, thank you for preempting this. I did exactly what you did. I based my list on starting people out with baby steps and moving them forward with each of my picks. So they're not only in order of chronologically being released.

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So I did do the same thing. And I cheated with my number five. I have a tie. I have three different artists for number five, but hear me out. It's the Black Sabbath family. You can't do one without the other two. So if I was going to start someone out listening to metal, I'd say, let's start from kind of the generally accepted first metal band. And you should listen to the first six Sabbath albums. And in the first two Sabbaths,

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with Dio. You should also listen to the first two Aussie albums with Randy Rhoads and at least the first two Dio albums and listen to them all because if you like all that then you can progress. You can move forward. You can go past go and continue. I think you can't listen to just one without those other two because they're all intertwined together in some weird mesh of a family. Jesus, you just did your whole list in one go. No, that was tied for number five.

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I get it and I agree with that I totally do because you can't list Sabbath and say just Ozzy and then say well wait there's those other two really cool albums with Dio but then wait Dio had his own two good albums Ozzy had his first two good albums so it's just take that big pot and just dig through all of it yeah I get it because they all deserve your attention if you're going to explore so fair enough so the Black Sabbath family

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That's a good way of putting it. It's like the Partridge family, but metal. So my number five, and I have to say, like, I really am embarrassed. I didn't think of Hendrix. I thought it was a really good choice to throw Hendrix in there because I do think he's one of the first metal guys. You know what I mean? And you made me think of another one, which is not my number five, but cream. I would also put close to that. Cream is fucking heavy, you know? Now that stated, I say the progression,

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of heavy, having been like a lot of the guys, a lot of those British dudes listen to the blues dudes. And then they heard some of the high singing and stuff like that. And they were like, what if we did that all the time? You know what I mean? Like that's how music said to get heavier. And then there were bands who heard that and said, what if we did that song all the time? And that song that I'm thinking of right now is like immigrant song. So I think Zeppelin is like a great, that's my number five. Led Zeppelin is, um, got a lot of,

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A Lot of what metal became in it, and you've got your first, as you say, an operatic singer, and I don't think that's quite the word for Robert Plant, though even Gillen is close by. But I think Zevlin, if you put on that first record, it has as much impact as the first Sabbath album for me as far as just sheer heaviosity goes, Days that Confused, and all those old blues numbers done with this big fuzzy, you know, and Robert Plant flying over the whole thing like a fucking hawk.

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I think Zeppelin is a band I would definitely give to somebody who was like, hey man, I don't know about this metal thing. I would say start here. Yeah. It's a good choice. I get that. And John, you get all the way up to, then you get to Achilles' Last Stand, right? I mean, it gets pretty metal towards the end. So, yeah. I mean, half of physical graffiti can fall into that. I mean, I think so too. Very foundational bands. So, yeah. Yes. In my time of dying is the best blue,

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It was hard rock, proto metal song ever. So. All right. Well, my number five is not all that exciting at this point, being the last guy on the line. Black Sabbath. First two albums, I think. You know, if you're going to get somebody into metal, start them there. It's, you know, it's metal at the beginning. And if,

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If they don't know metal, this is a good place to start them. And yeah. It's like the most evil training wheels you could put someone on. Exactly. Exactly. I mean, if you're not going to like it here, you're not going to like it later. So. Yeah. All right. All right. There we go. Sam. Number four, Sam. Number four. Okay. So I began with Jamei Hendrix. Are you experienced?

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For me, after that, the next logical step should be motorhead. No. Okay. Wow. So I think once your grooves are set with Jimi Hendrix, the next thing that you should naturally listen to in your progression is just good old rock and roll, which is just done well, straightforward, simple riffs, which are just loud and clear and just punching, you know, just simple right there. Yeah.

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And faster than normal rock music. Yeah. Much faster, much more peppier, and, you know, just anarchist, whatever. I mean, we get the drill. But the main key being, after Jimi Hendrix being very involved and bluesy, jazzy, we finally get to Motorhead, which tells the listener that metal can actually encompass both complexity as well as simplicity to the same extent, with ease.

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and yet reflect certain ideas without hassles. So I think that's a nice mix and showing that diversity to a listener early on gives them a good understanding of the breadth of heavy metal or metal in general. I love the way you think. Me too. And that's the way I see Motorhead. And I also think, Lemmy always thought Motorhead was just a fast version of ZZ Top and I don't think he's wrong. It's also, they really are,

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the first extreme metal band. Yeah, totally. So you're also getting people ready for battery with that one, you know. And Venom. Slowly. Yeah, and Venom, which would be the next one, really. That's a good choice. Yeah, totally. All right. Makassan. Yeah, my number four is Mastodon. What? I hope it's not Leviathan because Matt's not here to claim it. Well. Makassan, that's the equivalent of saying you should try some pot and then go

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As we've discussed on many casts, we haven't been huge fans of Mass Stunz music since Crack the Sky in 2009. But for someone who wants to get into metal for the first time, the later records, even though we don't like them, they have that more mainstream appeal, which is probably a good starting point for someone new to metal. And the hope, of course, is that you bite your lip, you hand them an album like The Hunter or something, and they

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I dig it enough for you to say oh you like that shit now let me introduce you to a white whale named Leviathan yeah so um you never seen a horse explode try remission exactly so I think I mean in a way there already are like kind of a gateway because they've they've earned that kind of mainstream acceptance not quite you know what I mean but they have those really great metal albums like those super influential metal albums that if you like some of

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that stuff they're doing now you could go back and really get into those earlier records and then maybe that moves you on to something else yeah also i chose i also chose matt's done just to make matt's album of the episode easier which he's not he's not here he doesn't need to say his album the episode because i just said it well obviously we know it's leviathan yeah all right john i'm gonna piggyback off of something sam said earlier in the podcast about two days ago

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when we started this.

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He mentioned the one thing he liked about, and if I'm wrong, correct me,

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you mentioned about metal, the whole idea of community,

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and my number four pick kind of embraces that.

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I mean, this is a band that not everyone's a fan of this band,

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but a majority of metalheads are fans of this band,

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and we all seem to kind of, you know, you can yell out part of their name,

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and everyone knows who you're talking about.

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When you go to their shows, even if you're someone like me who hates to sing at shows, you're going to sing some of these choruses. And you're going to just lose your shit when you hear that phrase, scream for me, and you fill in the blanks. So my number four. Scream for me, Long Beach. Yeah, it would be Iron Maiden. If there was ever a band that promoted the idea of metal community around the world. I mean, you literally could go to any country.

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in the world that has metal fans and you've yelled out maiden chances are pretty high you're gonna get a yeah fuck yeah back at you you know exactly thank you especially i also think john if you don't like iron maiden you just don't like heavy metal like exactly they are like the prototypical fucking center of the universe metal band really yeah you know and they're they're the one band i think marcus i would agree that yeah i'll suck it up and go to that fucking huge

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to go see that. Exactly. Because it's fucking maiden. Yeah. And Sammy said it. They got the coolest expression up the irons. You know, so. I mean, it's a great, obviously. And my first two picks are pretty generic. And that's sort of what I didn't like about this top five because we're going to double up. But it'd be hard not to put those two out there, I think, to get someone. So and plus,

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Maiden leads into that whole kind of Euro power metal thing at some point. Same with Priest, but I went with Maiden instead because they have more of the community feel to them. I actually didn't pick bands like that on purpose because I thought other people would pick them. I only did two. I think that's why it's fun because we are actually mixing up these bands, but I personally feel these popular bands, all of us in our journeys,

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I think none of us would have started with Morbid Angel or Decrepit Birth. That's right. We would have started with something which is more popular, more approachable. And that would have been the gateway to all these other bands that we currently listen to. Dude, Number of the Beast was my first real one. Absolutely. I mean, Run to the Hills. And I mean, that album, I remember, was my first one, too. So you'll see with mine, I start delving deeper into the subgenre. So.

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That's it. That's it. That's my only two popular votes. Well, that was fun. See, my gateway wasn't that. Mine wasn't the popular. So that's why when I, on my list, I pick things where, except for maybe one. Yeah, see. Pick those bigger, bigger bands. But, I mean, absolutely, they're perfect for a list. Yeah. See, and my gateway was Black Sabbath, ACDC, Judas Priest, and Maiden because of 1980. Yeah. Those were all massive bands. And mine are all hardcore. Like, it's all, like, underground hardcore stuff. And I think Moccasin is definitely,

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more appealing to a 21st century underground internet surfer who knows Pelican to begin with before they can listen to Pelican. We all know Pelican. Yeah. Now, see, the difference here, Sam, is that you guys all are still like in high school and I'm getting ready to retire. Exactly. Okay. We got some old motherfuckers. Yeah. And some younger. Younger motherfuckers. I'm almost there.

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I'm getting ready to retire too. We'll talk about that soon. What the fuck? Fuck you guys. It's nice to have a mix is what I was getting at. It's nice to have all these bands mixed up. I'll take it. Now, I thought a lot of the way, I think more than Sam, well, both Sam and John, well, all of us, we seem to have taken us on the route. Mine, so I'll give you his upline and you kind of get used to what the Brits did with American stuff because that was all based on American blues music.

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and then just, you know, turn those marshals up to 12. But now to get you ready for, and also if you didn't think I was going to have this band on here, you don't know me or you don't listen to this podcast or you're not one of you guys. So you can probably see where we're going. I'm so ready. But to get you ready for the Euro thing, the Euro metal thing, and that's the maidens and the whatnots and the whatnots. Oh, I thought you said Euros and I was like, fuck, I want a Euro sandwich right now. Oh, well. Again, if you don't know what I'm about to say, we're going to go a little

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I'm going to start introducing some song structures that are a little speedier. Saxon? A little less. Saxon? It takes something like immigrant song and moves it up a notch and adds some minor key stuff to it. You know I got to have deeper. You know, like seriously dude, go, you know, go to C-King and you know, in rock. In rock is, that record is a great introduction to it.

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What Metal Is About People. Hoppy. Yeah. Totally. You know, one of my favorite bands, to be fair, but I honestly think this is Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, everything springs out of this. Not just this one record, but... Even the album Burn is just fucking so good. It's so good. Yeah. I mean, when Richie got cut loose, look at, you know, Rainbow Rising. To me, that's the first real Euro metal record. That's the first Priest I know. Yeah. Anyway. I would agree with that.

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I give you a deep purple record. All right. I like it. George. I so my number four which yeah. Iron Maiden. You know if you start with Sabbath you got to go to Maiden. So George real quick. Yeah. Did you feel any conflict skipping over priest? I did not. And it's not because I didn't think priest was worth it.

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I was just looking for the next logical step to go forward. Well, you know, it's like,

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Priest had that whole 70s thing going on long before Maiden showed up.

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No, I get that. But, you know, Sabbath was, you know, doomy, riffy, heavy. Maiden, like, you know.

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They brought the speed element to it, George. They brought in speed and just like the Deep Purple thing I was saying,

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They brought it up a level. Peace of mind was the album I was thinking of in this case because it was just so good. It just brings it up a notch. Okay. And that's pretty much my the way the rest of my list is going to go. I like it. So yeah.

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Okay, cool. So after Jimi Hendrix and Motorhead, now in my mind, now is the time you introduced the list of Black Sabbaths. So number three for me is Sabbath, specifically Master of Reality. That's the album I listen to. I think Master of Reality is a nice mix between what I would consider roots of classic music

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Heavy Metal with songs like Children of the Graves, which has these grooves to, you know, just stone up gold mines into the void and, you know, Solitude. Solitude is one of my favorites. I mean, just so classy. So anyways, I think Black Sabbath after Jimi Hendrix and Motorhead would make for a nice mix. It will also slow down the listening for

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The Audience, because you've gone from Jimi Hendrix, which is reasonably complex, to Motorhead, which is straightforward but fast. And now you're going to Black Sabbath, which is groovy, but it has its elements in tritones going for it. So I think this would be a nice segue into something which is Darkering, more extreme, which would be my next two, but that's why I put this here.

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It's curious because, not curious, but interesting. I would have gone Sabbath then Motorhead, but all right. I get it. Yeah, for me, Motorhead is more simplistic. Yeah, exactly. All right. Also, I don't know if you're ready for all that darkness right away. Yeah, really. Right? Because that's part of it. That's part of the metal thing.

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I mean, when you're young, I feel it's the music which hits you. As you keep growing older, it's the lyrics which hit you. And then eventually they hit you together is what I feel. I mean, some of the lyrics of Sabbath are just amazing now. Yeah. Anyways. Yeah. Cool. Marcus in. Yay. Number three. Yeah. I mean, my list is so much different. I tried to, you know, Pelican Mastodon. Yeah. My bands, I try to pick, I guess, more modern bands.

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Bands that have kind of like kept going with the times, I guess. You know, I obviously love all the bands you guys have talked about, but when I've ever tried to get people into bands, especially like younger folks, I'm trying to pick things that they might gravitate towards based on what they're listening to now. So I picked a band that I've talked about many times, but not a lot of people know about them. It's Black Sights. They're a super high energy metal band.

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I often tell people about this band if they like rock, but they haven't really ventured into harder waters. So Block Sight is great because they have this dynamic and catchy songs. They use rock structures a lot of the time, and then they just know how to move their songs. Plus, they have sung vocals, so it's easy to listen to for anyone who is into rock.

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So one of the things I've noticed with people new to metal is that they just find it hard to get into some of the slower moving genres like doom. Because people, if they're not into metal, they're likened typically into more commercial music that makes them want to dance or sway badly, I guess. So they're used to simpler songs with choruses and beats and things you can shake your fucking booty to, you know? I've heard this. I've tried. Like, I've tried to give them like chemists, which I think is a little bit more upbeat. And they listen to it and they're like, it's too bad.

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I don't understand this music. So, um, you know, most metal, they want things that are fun, I guess. And that's not how I would describe most metal. Uh, and as we know, we just said metal's a lot darker and more complex musically than what these like rookies are used to. So a band that can move their bodies like black sites, it's just a, I think it's a good gateway for people to get into it. And it's a bonus that they're good musicians who offer,

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more in terms of songwriting skill. So they're a newer band. They've got maybe three albums out, I think now. They're from Chicago, and I've loved all their albums. That high energy and that mix with rock, I think, would be a good way for people to say, oh, I like this. I like how it's a little bit heavier. What else do you got? Fair. All right. John. All right. So with my first pick,

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I would say to the Sabbath family. And while Sabbath gets all the credit for being the first doom band, they don't actually have a lot of doom music. If you think about it, they have a lot of metal. They got a lot of blues in the early albums. The first two blues influence rock metal, I should say. You know, master realities is where you start to see that the heavy doom influence that they kind of spread out like a dark black blanket over the world.

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And then obviously volume four,

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but by the time you get to Sabbath,

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bloody Sabbath,

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they become like a prop metal band almost because that's a pretty proggy album.

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Same with sabotage.

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Then the next two albums are a waste of fucking time.

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And then they become this kind of crazy straight ahead metal band again in the eighties.

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So my next logical step after that,

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and after maiden was to kind of go darker and doomier.

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And I'm going to Sweden for my next band. And their first four albums in the 80s are fucking lights out. Candlemas is my next band. That's my next logical choice. I didn't want to do the Metallicas and all the thrash. I wanted to go darker. So because I'm kind of going deeper into the extremer side, even though Candlemas isn't extreme, the sound would be extreme for that time period. I thought it'd be great if you can get through Candlemas and we can go to the next band from

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there. Good one.

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Do it.

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I was just as disappointed in the new song as you are.

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That record better be better than that fucking song.

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A lot of chorus.

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Not a lot of, I don't know, just technical.

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I liked the last one so much.

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I'm so glad that singer's back.

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So we'll see.

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Yeah.

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But, you know, sometimes you hear a song and you don't like it that much,

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but then you hear the whole album and it works in context for the rest of it.

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It happens a lot with Maiden.

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It does happen with me.

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So,

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my next one is

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is that

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so I first went with Zeppelin

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and then you start to get your Euro thing

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with Deep Purple

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and it is about kind of turning up

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like I said with Zeppelin

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we had Robert Klein who was like

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what if I sang up there in the top register all the time

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and then with Deep Purple they

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kind of took it a little bit further and started to

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do a thing and then there was a band

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who was just like, what if every song we played was fucking fast? And that is Motorhead. So I chose Motorhead too. And I really think, because Motorhead's structures are super rock and roll, so you're going to understand it, you know, when you hear it. I mean, it's, one of Lemmy's favorite bands was the Ramones, you know what I mean? And if you, they really, they're interchangeable in a lot of ways. I think Motorhead, for me, is infinitely cooler and heavier, but, but I think they're a gateway band for sure, you know? And also, you're preparing people

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from some pretty nontraditional vocals. True. I don't mean this unkindly. I like his voice, but Lenny can't fucking sing. I mean, he can. I like him. I like the way he sings, but he's not a singer. He's a performer. He's a vocalist. Yeah, and you hear his history in his voice and all the different stuff. So I agree. He's 100% saying I think Motorhead is a gateway band. Well, I hate to...

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I had Sabbath,

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which obviously is the beginning. Maiden which is you know a bit more. And then Metallica just took it to an absolutely different level. We have to. Yeah I agree. And you know. So Black Album? No. Master of Puppets dude. Master of Puppets. I mean even I mean honestly the first three albums period. Okay. You know.

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Kill Em All, Ride the Lightning, Master Puppets. Actually, I don't think I would do the first album, but yes, the other two I would. Well, I'd put the first one in there. Why not the first one? Not for new people. Because it's so raw. Yeah, but for new people, I wouldn't. I think it's great. No, no. For new people, I would definitely go Puppets, okay? Yeah. You know, Metallica in general, yeah, obviously Kill Em All is a great album.

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But no, if you're trying to recruit somebody, puppets is the way to start. It's one of the best record metal records of all time. I mean, it is. It is. You know, where you put it is somewhere in the top five or ten. And if you don't like it, you probably don't like metal. I mean, it's introducing people right now because of the Stranger Things. Exactly. Exactly. So you see Stranger Things has some Metallica on it? Yeah. Yeah, they sort of defeat a monster at the end by playing guitar and distracting them with master puppets.

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Yeah. And it's like,

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like put it back in the top 40 or something like that.

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For the first time,

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the song master puppets made the top 40.

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Cause kids.

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Yeah.

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But that album is stellar,

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right?

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I mean,

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they have.

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Yes.

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And that's why a lot of people have complained that it's bunch of bullshit

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because it should have been there before,

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but you know,

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well,

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I don't care as long as it's there now.

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after 36 years.

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I'm cool with that.

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Yeah, what's more important is that it's there. It exists.

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Yes.

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So let's bring it back around a second.

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We're closing out.

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Oh, cool. We're back. Okay, nice.

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So yeah, so I've done Jimi Hendrix, IU Experience, Motorhead Overkill, and Black Sabbath Master of Reality.

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So as I said, Black Sabbath, according to me, is the perfect segue into something which is darker and more extreme. So I wanted to set the platform with one album which I wish I would have listened to more often, but whatever. I have enough time right now to do so. It's Black Metal by Venom. So I think this should be number two. It should be Black Metal by Venom because I think by this time the listener has been introduced to Jimmy.

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Hendrix, Motorhead, Black Sabbath. I hope you can see the oral texture that I'm trying to develop for the audience. It's the perfect follow-up to Motorhead. Yeah, so yeah. But Black Sabbath was the last one, so. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I had Motorhead and then Black Sabbath, but whatever. I think we're in the same similar wavelength, Jay. I was one of my favorite records of all time, so. Yeah, so we just play Black Metal by Venom.

04:33:10.980 --> 04:33:40.740
I think this will give a great introduction for people to extreme metal, get them introduced to what would be black metal following the Norwegian scene and the Swedish scene, and could also help people get into something which is darker like Candlemas, like John rightly pointed out. So yeah, so number two would be Venom black metal for me. Nice. Very good. Yeah. Also a band with more rock and roll structures than songs that people

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Yeah, absolutely.

04:33:43.061 --> 04:33:52.939
I mean, they took all the satanic images and all that rubbish, but at the end of the day, their music at the bottom was just hardcore rock and roll done really fast.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

04:33:54.801 --> 04:34:01.160
I think that's a theme because all of mine have that because it's familiar to people if they're into rock at all.

04:34:02.539 --> 04:34:10.461
Yeah, you need some level of familiarity, right, Marcus, and at the beginning at least so that it's approachable for people and they are not put off by the first.

04:34:10.500 --> 04:34:40.400
10 seconds of the song so that they can get into the album. Yes. Did anybody listen to Castrator doing the cover of Countess Bathory? No. You know, I don't touch Venom covers. I mean, I really don't. Venom is like a sacred jewel for me inside. I know. I know. I mean, if you do a cover of Venom, it's Countess Bathory, obviously. But, yeah. I just, huh? I wouldn't choose that. By the way,

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I once saw High and Fire do in Link with Satan. Wow. Okay, that would be a close second for sure. Yeah, it was pretty cool. But yeah, I mean, most people that do covers of Venom do count as Bathory and Castrator did one and it was good. Yeah, cool. All right, then Mark it's on. Yeah, yeah. So here's where we kind of blur the lines with this one. I got to have a classic on the list and it doesn't get

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I don't think they know about

04:35:40.480 --> 04:36:09.900
that. And C, recommending Dio, the Dio Sabbath time, may open them up to listening to the band Dio, which they may not have tried before, and then will open the floodgates to something else. So that's why I picked this in particular. You're also introducing them to the fantasy aspect of metal, of which is a pretty important thing you've got to learn to live with if you don't like that shit. Agreed. Yes, right. So yeah, that's why I pick it. That's a good point. Very interesting.

04:36:11.420 --> 04:36:40.461
I mean, you're not going to go straight to Manowar, right, George? No. I mean, yeah, the kids won't listen to Hammerfall and Dragon Force. Yeah. Yeah, no, I'm totally skipping Manowar. Yeah. They don't want to scare him off. No. Yeah. We're not asking these people to put on loincloths, so. No. All right, so my number two is now I'm taking people from the darkness of Doom to Extendent.

04:36:40.539 --> 04:37:10.439
I realize there was Venom. I realize there was Celtic Frost, but I don't think there's ever been a band that defined extreme metal early on, both in sound and their sound changed almost every album for every album they put out and an image. Sure, made that image, but this image has now prevailed for thousands of bands for almost 35 years now.

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And if you're willing to dig deeper into the depths of metal and get more extreme, then you have to listen to all seven albums from death. You have to go that route. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Because all these bands we've mentioned have been great, but whether you believe death is the first death metal band or possess or whatever, I don't care. No band has redefined how bands that followed.

04:37:39.279 --> 04:38:09.240
They have like a Van Halen effect on extreme metal like Van Halen did on all that shit that came out after them. Every band's got to have the most extreme gnarly looking album cover that's a death metal band now. And all they're most of them are doing is just rehashing death itself. Death is a reference point for like everybody in the scene. Always. We don't we don't we never have anybody on the show who doesn't say something about death. Right. And I just think that if you're willing to continue going down this path that I've

04:38:09.840 --> 04:38:12.039
Chosen, that they would be the next.

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One hand path.

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Yeah.

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Or the right hand or middle hand path.

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The next would be extreme metal, would be Death.

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For me.

04:38:20.539 --> 04:38:22.801
They may not be the most extreme band, but at that time.

04:38:23.320 --> 04:38:24.721
Well, it's a brilliant band.

04:38:24.961 --> 04:38:26.500
It's still a very extreme band.

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If you combine lyrics with what they try to present,

04:38:29.600 --> 04:38:32.660
not try to definitely do a great job presenting with their music.

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And every album is different than the next.

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I mean, even if you follow it up with Control, Denied, and Death,

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I mean the whole series right until Chuck was alive. Everything is excellent. So for my number two, you asked George if you felt sorry for skipping them and I couldn't do it. And that is to say that Scott Hinn, I once saw Scott Hinn interviewed, he said that British Steel was the first record with metal record with no sign of the blues on it that had become its own thing. I disagree. I think it's

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in class, but that's just an argument I'm having with him. This is the first real true Euro metal, Irish metal-ish. Sergey's coming for you, man. He thinks it's hellbent for leather. We had a nice discussion about that a while back. I agree with you, Jay. Oh, is that right? Yeah. Yeah. I can hear the blues on that one. I mean, no, no, no, like the influence, the past.

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I'm with the unsteamed class. Why are you going to be dissing Sergey like that? Not. He brings up valid points. He brings up opinion. He has very valid points. But I also like Hellbent for Leather. I think it's great. But Priest really, to me, is the next most obvious thing after Deep Purple as far as stepping it up a notch. They kind of started out as a little bit more of a Rocky band, but then they became

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Well, early on, they become a straightforward metal band. I mean, you go back to something like this at an aggressor or whatever. But again, and I also think that as an intro to them, give somebody screaming for vengeance. If you don't like that, trust me, dude, it gets weird after this. So see if you can deal with this. But in particular, or I would say, even though I say Stain Class is the first non-blues one, start somebody out on British Steel. Like British Steel, that is,

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There's nothing that's not metal about that record. Just skip United. United. But you know what? When I was a teenager, John, I guess I think I thought that was a pretty cool song. I skip it now, but at the time I liked it. So Priest, I couldn't skip Priest. There's just the metal god. And also we've gone up, by the way, I stopped off at Lemmy, but we went.

04:41:08.360 --> 04:41:37.580
Robert Plant, Ian Gillen, and now we're up in Rob Halford's level of the apartment building, you know. Well, I'm way above that. King Diamond? No. So I started with Sabbath, I went to Maiden, and then Metallica. So how can we get heavier from there? Slayer. I figured Death Punch. I was gonna,

04:41:38.380 --> 04:42:08.300
I was originally going to go Slayer. But I went Sepultura. Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah. You know. They have a massive appeal, George, by the way. I do think they got some people in the middle. Like a lot of people. Yeah. No, I agree. And that's why I went there. I'm like, you know, Arise was a really big deal when it came out. And that's kind of the transition between my number. Sorry.

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I can't they're backwards number two number two number two and my number one

04:42:17.690 --> 04:42:18.280
you know

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metallic is heavy it's thrash

04:42:23.460 --> 04:42:26.640
Sepultura introduces the

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pseudo death vibe

04:42:30.810 --> 04:42:31.800
to a new generation

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and then you know what's next

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Who can say? You can. I can say. And I will say when it's my turn. All right, let's do it. We're bringing it home soon. Yay, finally home. Okay, cool. So after all of that, I think John and I reach home together. My number one band, which I'll make anyone listen to after the journey of Jimi Hendrix, Mudderhead, Black Sabbath and Venom, is Dead.

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I mean, you have to listen to death if you want to listen to metal, end up discussions. Listen to symbolic, because that's the album that I suggest people listen to first. And yeah, after multiple listens, you'll understand song structures, progressions, extremities, blastweets, solos, all of it, whatever you can imagine and much more.

04:43:37.120 --> 04:44:07.060
to make the audience understand what metal is about and give them a nice understanding of the whole landscape before they can detail into stoner, sludge, black, atmospheric, etc. So, yep, and this is, we've not even touched Riverside, Pocky Pine Tree and all of that, but I'm hoping somewhere with Jimi Hendrix, they haven't forgotten that those elements of music exist and somewhere deep down, they'll keep

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their minds open to the tool and the so-ins of the world. Nice. Very good. I'm totally going to listen to Jimmy Hendrix tonight. I know, right? I'm going to put on Bands of Gypsies after this. Nice. So funny, because my favorite is Axis Bold is Love. That's a good one, though. Yeah, but they're all good. Jimmy Hendrix, by the way, in my mind, the one guy who somehow managed to release more records after he died than before he died. Yeah, there's only three albums before him.

04:44:37.740 --> 04:45:06.040
That's true. Yeah. All right, Mark is on. All right. So yeah, my number one is a band that Jay decided that he could only watch two songs from before he needed to get into this band. I never going to understand that comment. It's crazy.

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For the bands to skip, you should not skip Paradise Lost. You should never skip Paradise Lost. I agree. Paradise Lost is a great metal band that just has... What was that, Sam? Which album would you recommend, Marcus? Well, here, I'll get to it. Draconian times, bitch. They're a great metal band. They have a really deep catalog of albums that showcase the complexities of metal while still giving new listeners engaging.

04:45:37.320 --> 04:45:42.900
music with mostly sung vocals and choruses so some of those early to middle period

04:45:43.060 --> 04:45:50.460
records like icon draconian times that feature those kind of like um those husky like james hetfield

04:45:50.660 --> 04:45:57.000
style vocals are really good entry points draconian times has some upbeat tracks on there too

04:45:57.400 --> 04:46:03.860
like i was talking about earlier the kids like the booty shaking so like once solemn is pretty upbeat

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Any new metal baby could get into that, I think. Or even something like an album like In Requiem or the self-titled Paradise Lost album from 2005, I think 2005. They're really quality starts because the vocals are more familiar and palatable to metal virgin ears. And the music is just, it's got a good drive to it. It's got a good, it changes tempos. I think people could get into that. And after that,

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You could introduce albums from their gothic phase or their slow death metal phase from the early years like Shades of God or Gothic. Or you could go with the newer records like Medusa or Obsidian, right? Because they combine a lot of their soundscapes into one and they offer more intricacy and atmosphere. But I think some of those like middle period ones are really good for people who, especially if you like rock, you could get into Paradise.

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Lost and then you can change people's mind

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just with Paradise Lost I think. You start

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with that and then you just give them

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the other albums and they're going to get a

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gamut of metal

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which I think is really cool.

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So that's why I picked them for number one

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because they just have so many cool sounds

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and I think they

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cross over a lot but they're still so metal

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and so good.

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Nice choice.

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That's a fantastic choice.

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That's a great one.

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Thank you.

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John.

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It's funny, Mark, because you mentioned Icon and Draconian Times as good entry points, and those are, in my opinion, two of the best gothic metal albums ever made.

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And it's funny that you mentioned them as rock albums, and people wouldn't realize they're actually fairly gothic at the time, but that's a great choice.

04:47:55.600 --> 04:47:57.220
Why number one is purely selfish?

04:48:02.960 --> 04:48:03.400
100%.

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I need you on Team John for as long as I can keep you. Thanks, Morning. It's going to be. Opeth. It's going to be Opeth. Yeah! Smarter. Anything from My Arms Your Hearse to Ghost Reveries. I'll even keep Damnation in there, even though it's a prog rock album. Yeah. If you're going to keep going down this journey with me, let's go into Team John here all the way to the end. And if you really want to do it, then yeah, we'll throw Fate's Morning in there for shits and giggles. So.

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You know, that's funny, John, because one of the things that's been interesting to me, to all of you guys, because I'm bringing my supposed imaginary listener up to the edge, and I'm like, and I'm not going to show you the box with the extreme shit in it, because you'll find that if you liked everything else I did for you, but you know what? If I was going to give them an extreme ban, it would be Opeth. That's probably the most palatable, obviously likable, even though very proggy in its way. That might be the one extreme ban I would try.

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I was this close to putting my list. I would start with anything after Watershed. I'd probably start with Heritage, actually. But it's a great choice. The only reason it didn't make my list is because their song structure is so complex. So it would have to be the last. Like, John did a progression. It's perfect for John's list. But for my list, I was trying to say, here's a band. I'm not doing a progression. Here's a band I want you to start with. All of mine were like that. So that's why I didn't put Opeth on my list.

04:49:31.440 --> 04:50:01.420
I have to ask you said you would start them with heritage yeah that's a weird move I'd start them with Blackwater Park um I think I would start them with heritage why it's I think it's the first album where they didn't use the black metal vocals if you don't count the acoustic one yeah yeah which was like the double album you know what I mean um

04:50:01.440 --> 04:50:31.080
So I think I would start there and I feel like it progresses from there. Do you know what I mean? So that's my going backwards. So I would go heritage to caught a venom and then I would go back to watershed and work back. Okay. That's how I would do it. Fair enough. That's not a bad theory. Um, well, again, I feel bested by John there because I didn't bring my imaginary listener that far and you do have to show him like watch out because some of this is going on too.

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you're gonna love it but anyway my last one was priest before this and i and i just took it right up to what i think is kind of like the i don't know the fucking anvil in the middle of the fucking metal foundry and it's not sabbath it's maiden i mean i mean seriously dude like if that's metal it's fucking metal and i'm talking like number of the beast give them a copy of number of the beast and just be like dude if you don't like this i'm your problem i'm not gonna like any of this other stuff i'm gonna show you you know

04:51:01.460 --> 04:51:29.940
And because it's catchy, no blues in that thing. That is a metal record straight up. It's got a wide range of kind of different song types on it. It's got some dark imagery and it's fast in places, you know, just Maiden is like the metal band. And, you know, there are metal bands I like more, but that's beside the point. I mean, Maiden is a great choice. I would pick Brave New World because I think all those songs are really highly singable. Yeah.

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But, I mean, you know, all those made-downs are good. Jay, what album am I going to pick, do you think? It's a live album. Oh, live after Gus. Oh, no, Beast Over Hammer. There you go. You know, that's not a bad choice, John, because you get the Paul stuff, too, with Bruce singing. And you don't have to go through the embarrassment of the bad production of the first record. That's a good call.

04:52:06.260 --> 04:52:30.820
I know like George I know you're really big on live after death and I love it but man beast over Hammersmith is just I get it they're both awesome just sounds Bruce sounds exactly the way he sounds I remember the beast his voice is in line he's singing live as if he was in the studio plus it's the only maiden live album where they play run to the hills third in the set list and nobody knows it

04:52:30.860 --> 04:53:00.620
Well, no, it had been out as a single, but it was out for like a week. Yeah. Yeah. And hardly anyone knew it. And they're like, oh, yay. The one guy in the back. I mean, I was going to hear the number of the beasts for the first time. Yeah. And nobody sang the intro. Yeah. Whoa. It's like, what the hell is this? Yeah, they were like that. I'm sure. Georgie. I, so, uh, my number one.

04:53:01.558 --> 04:53:03.140
Also known as number five.

04:53:06.600 --> 04:53:08.020
You are number two.

04:53:08.540 --> 04:53:09.480
Who is number one?

04:53:13.880 --> 04:53:16.300
Yeah, so I don't think anybody's gone this extreme.

04:53:17.140 --> 04:53:20.160
Although I think Will might have, had he been here.

04:53:22.200 --> 04:53:23.700
So I started with Sabbath.

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Got a little heavier with Maiden.

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Got a little heavier with Metallica.

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took us into the death metal.

04:53:33.720 --> 04:53:34.040
Corpson.

04:53:34.900 --> 04:53:35.060
Huh?

04:53:35.720 --> 04:53:36.320
You get a corpse?

04:53:37.940 --> 04:53:38.900
And yes.

04:53:39.680 --> 04:53:39.980
Wow.

04:53:40.100 --> 04:53:40.620
I knew it.

04:53:40.800 --> 04:53:41.260
I knew it.

04:53:41.700 --> 04:53:42.800
You don't care about anything, man.

04:53:42.960 --> 04:53:44.560
I don't fucking care about anything.

04:53:45.900 --> 04:53:50.000
If you can get Sepultura, you can get Cannibal Corpse.

04:53:50.840 --> 04:53:51.220
No, no, no.

04:53:51.240 --> 04:53:55.880
I'm just picturing this poor impressionable mind that you're ruining.

04:53:56.620 --> 04:54:26.560
Hey, if they got past my first four, they can handle cannibal corps. I think they're running for the hills. I've got my extreme metal one I'd give them first. And I think you guys will see the wisdom of this. Surgical steel. Yeah. You know? I can see, because that doesn't go all extreme instrumentally, even though it's fast and stuff. But you get them into Jeff Walker's vocals, and they're going to be ready.

04:54:26.640 --> 04:54:55.740
for a lot after that. I'm trying to get people to start with Sabbath, the beginning of metal, and I'm trying to get them to something more now. I mean, if you're going to be into it now, you have to be extreme, and if you need extreme, I mean, come on, come in. Cannibal Corpse is shit. You're brave. It's funny, it's because I'm still thinking about black metal a little bit too.

04:54:56.620 --> 04:55:26.280
The Album in particular. How extreme that seemed to me the first time I heard it. I thought about pulling out Sepultura and pulling in the death metal earlier and like trying to fit in a black metal album as well. Yeah. But no. Nobody went all black though. There's not one. We didn't have black metal being the prototype. But nobody went to Norway. Right. Right. There's no good entry. Because that's advanced.

04:55:26.620 --> 04:55:55.880
Like, if you really have to listen for years before, your ears are going to be ready to go. Yeah, imagine someone saying your first man should be Mayhem. Right. Exactly, dude. Yeah, go ahead. You know what, Jay? I would suggest that if you want to get him into black medals, start with Celtic Frost. What a bad man. Yeah, I would say Morbid Tales in particular. And then venture to Megatheron, then you'll learn the whole, you know, and then you're good to go.

04:55:56.620 --> 04:56:25.380
Strangely, I think you can understand the musical quality of Transylvanian Hunger. Oh, of course. It's just the way those melodies work and stuff. But nobody wants to listen to that just shit-ass production on Blazing Northern. It's Venom's fault. They were all trying to reproduce that vibe, and it was just because they didn't have a fucking budget. Yeah. Venom didn't have a budget. Yeah, I think Celtic Trust can be made approachable through a trypticon. Yeah, definitely.

04:56:26.640 --> 04:56:56.500
Yeah, totally. Yeah. It would be really interesting to find somebody who wants to do this in the metal and actually take George's list, like here's where we're starting, and bring them on the cast, and each time give them that first album, see what they think, and then progress, and then detail it all the way through. I can probably find somebody that is not a metal fan that I could do this with. There are these videos on YouTube and I refuse to watch them, but it's like somebody hearing Master Puppets for the first time.

04:56:56.620 --> 04:56:57.080
Yeah.

04:56:57.220 --> 04:56:57.740
Which you can't,

04:56:58.020 --> 04:56:58.560
you're like,

04:56:58.670 --> 04:56:59.120
whatever dude,

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like that's,

04:57:00.060 --> 04:57:00.920
that's not gonna be impressive,

04:57:01.160 --> 04:57:02.080
but it's interesting.

04:57:02.240 --> 04:57:02.780
Cause it'll be like,

04:57:02.820 --> 04:57:02.960
you know,

04:57:03.020 --> 04:57:03.380
like Africa,

04:57:03.620 --> 04:57:04.720
like two African-American guys.

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They'll sit them down in front of a stereo and play them some extreme metal thing.

04:57:08.880 --> 04:57:10.300
And this is a common thing on YouTube.

04:57:10.390 --> 04:57:11.420
I've never watched any of them.

04:57:11.430 --> 04:57:13.200
They just show up in my feed from time to time.

04:57:13.330 --> 04:57:17.220
So there is a whole sort of first reactions to.

04:57:17.820 --> 04:57:17.900
Yeah.

04:57:17.910 --> 04:57:20.900
They have all the classical composers that do that too.

04:57:21.040 --> 04:57:26.600
And I'm starting to think they're all just paid actors because they always show up

04:57:29.340 --> 04:57:56.360
I've seen a bunch of them. So that's the thing. If I brought one of my non-metal friends on here to do this, they'd be out after like the first one. They'd be tapped out. They'd be like, yeah, no. Isn't it funny? We all like, we all want people to care about this and you know, in your way. I'm glad that, I mean, if I went through this privately, fine, but you do kind of want people to care about it and it would be hard to have your heart broken like that. And it'd be like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

04:57:58.458 --> 04:58:26.580
You either get it or you don't. Either get it or you don't. We need to follow this up with another top five. Top five bands you shouldn't listen to if you're getting into metal. Or top five bands. Anal cunt. You don't want them to get into metal. Yeah. All right, let's finish this shit up. All right, so let's everybody pick an album of the episode. Shit, this is going to be a hard one. Sam, of everything that you or anyone else

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So, what is your album of the episode? Really hard. Yeah. Because we've named so many classic albums. True that. Whatever. Yeah. Let's just keep it simple. I'll stick to Bad Bays Lost. My heart. Which album though?

04:58:57.138 --> 04:59:26.320
Yeah, you have to pick a specific album for this. I had to go with Jeff Winnia James. There you go. Nice. Beautiful. Good choice. All right. I don't want to hear the first two songs of that record. What? It was a leave after two songs. Oh, my God. You're killing me. You're never going to live that down. I had to go look at the set list now to see a joy in this album ever. Of all the bands that were on that bill.

04:59:30.260 --> 04:59:54.640
I also have to go with Paradise Lost because it was my number one. I don't know what I'm going to pick. Draconian Times or Icon? Draconian Times. Do it. Do it now. I like Shades of God a lot too though. Yes, but Draconian Times. I'm going to do Draconian Times. There you go.

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Making my job easier for Spotify. Yeah. Oh my God. Jay, you did. He's only saw enchantment and forsaken. I can live with a shame. I'm happy. I wish you just didn't even admit it. I know. I'd rather you say you just stopped eating burritos or something. What was funny is that it's my number one on the top five. And Jay said that early on in the episode.

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To be honest, it was Matt who said it, but it was true about both of us. Yes. So it's Matt's fault because he wanted to go see. It's both of us. It just sort of stayed for him. Remember when Matt was on the episode? This is what happens when you bring a bitchy friend to a show. All right. Not to belabor this anymore. I'm just, I'm doing it. Dio. Holy Diver. The Joe C. remix. Yeah, dude. It's so good.

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Wow, that's a great place. You know, it's funny, I wasn't even thinking of it, but it's only because ever since Sam said black metal, it's been on my mind, so I'll go with that on black metal. Wow. A fave. You know, it's hard for me not to go with the holy diver. You know what, we're going to be talking about it for a while, George, you'll probably get another chance. Yeah, I think so. But, you know, my intended, at the beginning of the episode,

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for this was

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Psy.

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Okay.

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Because I fucking love this album.

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Sure.

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Is that your final answer?

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It is my final answer.

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Psy.

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Got it.

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I want to offer up something real quick.

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I know we're closing.

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The Joe Briosi thing.

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This could cause some of us to want to break some rules on a year-end list.

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That's how good this is.

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And so I'm wondering if anybody's going to take that.

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You know, I've already talked to John about this, I think.

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Jay's number one album of the year is going to be Only Diver. Hey, Jay, we can't do that for one reason and one reason only. Because if you get away with that, then Live at YYZ is my number one of the years. I mean, it would be cool to say, hey, what's our top re-release of the year? Maybe we should start doing that. Because every year there's a really great re-release. Yeah. Whether it's remixed or remastered or, you know. Yeah.

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As John just mentioned, all the voter head shit that's coming out. I mean, yeah, you just pick your favorite one. It doesn't have to be a top five or top one. I cannot possibly look at any of your faces any longer. We are at the end. Sam, thank you for sitting with us through this whole entire episode. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Hope you enjoyed spending time with you folks. Thank you.

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I love how Sam was so energetic to start and he just kind of started slowly relaxing and we all just keep going higher and higher and higher. Yeah I was chilling actually right towards the end I was like okay let me just understand what's happening because yeah towards the end I was like okay I need to check out all these bands but it's good I learned a lot thank you so much for inviting me and this was beautiful actually. I hope you will continue to chat with us and

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with us and hopefully see you at some shows. Yeah, absolutely. Hopefully I'll join you on this podcast again and see some of you at some shows. Yeah, that'll be great. Yes, you will. We'd love to get my tray, brother. Yeah, cheers, folks. Thank you. All right. It's great to see all of you. We are out of here. Thank you, everyone. We'll talk to you next time. All right, guys. Adios. Bye-bye. Bye.

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MAKING THE FELL OF

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What's up man? Driving to New York. It's 758 miles. I've got three bottles of Powerade, bag of animal crackers, and half of a metal has podcasts. Seems like it should be enough.