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Now, here's the podcast.

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Metal Heads Podcast.

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Hello and welcome to the Metal Heads Podcast.

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My name is George.

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This is Jerry.

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This is Will.

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This is John.

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This is Matt.

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This is Markisan.

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And we are joined today by our friend Trevor Portz of Ashen Horde.

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and more recently, his new project, Abhoria. Welcome back, Trevor. Thank you. Thanks for having me. How's everything? It's going all right. No complaints, I suppose. Excellent. There's plenty of them, but I'm not going to share them here. Right. You know, I was in LA over Christmas. Tried to meet up with you, but you know, we couldn't make it work. It was cold as shit in LA at Christmas. It was like 40 some odd degrees, raining cold, and like,

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A month later-ish, the Super Bowl happens, and I see that it's like 90 degrees all of a sudden in LA. I'm like, what the fuck? So you guys got some crazy weather. Yeah, it's funny. When we moved here from New York, all I'd been told is LA doesn't have, it just has climate. It's consistently spring, basically. When it's not summer, it's spring. So the first year we were here, we moved in. First off, I was like, why do we have a heater?

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There's a heater in the apartment. I'm like, this is the biggest waste of food ever. But yes, there's like a two week span where we actually get a little bit of frost and it gets very cold and I was not prepared. There's no insulation in the walls here. It's terrible. I grew up in Colorado. I'm used to winter and it is still awful. Yeah. Well, I'm glad it's warmed up. Heaters in LA are like air conditioning in Minnesota. Right. Right. There's like a window where you actually need it. Well, it's crazy because

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You know, I just moved from Hawaii back to Chicago, and literally a day later, a snowstorm hit. What is this white shit? Welcome back to Chicago, fuck you. Welcome home. Sanitarium. All right, so Abhoria's self-titled first album came out on February 4th on Prosthetic Records. Congrats on that. Thank you. It's been getting some great reviews, and you were even featured on the band Camp Home

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which is just about the greatest thing that could happen

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from my perspective.

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Forget Rolling Stone or any of those things, man.

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If you're on Bandcamp, that's the shit.

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Have you ever made the cover of Rolling Stone?

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I feel like that's kind of the end.

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Yep.

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If I've done something so horrible and sold out to such a degree

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that I can never go back.

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I remember Bruce Springsteen won an Oscar one time for something.

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I remember his acceptance speech as well.

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I guess it's all fucking downhill from here. You know what I mean? If you're a rock star, you win an Oscar, forget it. You're done. I don't know. I mean, you could be like shunned like Rush was for what, 30 some years from Rolling Stone. Then one day they just said, hey, we can make money off them. They're really cool. Let's put them on the cover now. Yeah. And Zeppelin and, you know, and they ended up making 10 times more money because of it. And so they got the full weight of it. Now I want to see Trevor on the cover. That would be awesome. Well, now that you've said it, like it wasn't the life goal.

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What would your pose be for the cover? I think, let's see, that's a great question. I'm trying to think of like the iconic ones from like the 80s, maybe Motley Crue, something more like recreate that. I do not want to be Tommy in the Speedo. Scarf, maybe. Nobody can be Tommy in a Speedo unless they will. I think Tommy, or it's Tommy. I think you should wear a t-shirt that say corporate bands rule, which would be awesome. The anti-Nirvana? Yeah, the Nirvana.

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Hey, has anybody watched? Yes. Yeah. And what do you think? Tom and Pammy? Oh, no, I have no. Which led me to a question, but I don't want to ask it. But yeah, it took some turns that I didn't expect it to. The rest definitely feels like a lot, but at the same time, I mean, I've seen Motley Crue enough to know that. I don't know that it's that great of an exaggeration of things. I mean, I did see the video as well. Yeah.

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It was like them on vacation, like calling each other, babe. And we're trying to get you preggers. That's all I remember from the video. Yeah. Um, well, I came up on it. I started watching it and to tell anybody the reason I started watching it at all, because I could give a shit less was the guy who made it was the one who made that I Tanya movie, which I thought was fucking great. The one with Tanya Hardy. And this is done very much in that vein. It's, it's, you know, so in any case, the story, like the story itself is interesting in how the tape was

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found, you know, in that whole process, especially back in whatever year it was, 1990. Like, you know, I'm talking about like, well, you could put it on a website. Oh, what? Anyway. In the first of many derailments and sidetracks. Trevor's like, I shouldn't talk about my tape. I'm saving that for like the second or third ad. So tell us how Abhoria came about. You know, you have.

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There was Ashen Horde and then there was something else.

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Yeah, well, Ashen Horde is exactly what I want it to be.

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It has kind of shifted, though.

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I think it's pretty far from the black metal that it kind of was in my mind when we launched.

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It's gotten a little bit more bizarre and proggy and deathy and whatever else.

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And I really wanted to get back to kind of the core of the black metal that I was into back in the day, particularly in the late 90s.

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That's when I discovered black metal.

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So I wanted to kind of do something that was a little bit more genre pure to a degree though having read a lot of reviews and people's comments apparently the death metal and prog stuff crept in there more than I even noticed on my own so but the intent was to be much more of a kind of you know 90s inspired black metal thing so yeah so I just wanted to do something like that and here we are Abhoria is that the release that I came up with. So did you name the band? I did.

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It's actually named after a song by the UK rock band, the wild hearts. I know you're a fan of them. I'm a big fan. I have no, no hiding from that. Um, yeah, it was this song is that it, here we go. This is a bizarre, I'm going to connect it to the, the Tom and Pammy thing. Uh, it was a demo that a label released kind of without their permission on a compilation, much like the tape was found and released for,

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without their permission. So anyway, I know that was a bit of a stretch, but I would think it works. It works. And it wasn't already a band, which these days, if you come up with a name you like and it's not already a band, that is it. And it's not five words or 20 letters. Yeah. It's not like a sentence. Yeah. Or ends in 80. Yeah. Cool. Or X. Yeah. So other than personnel, what's the difference between Aporia and say Ash and Horace?

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I mean, you said that, I mean, you just mentioned the sound that you wanted to go back to, but in terms of, you know, there's different people and did you write differently? Did you record differently? Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's funny to a non-metal person. I'm sure they'd be like, there's no discernible difference. But I think there's a lot, I mean, even down to the tuning. So this is, I know cheesy guitar stuff, but like I write all the ash and

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stuff in open C tuning. It's something I learned from old Devin Townsend records.

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Whereas I write the Abhoria stuff in standard D flat standard tuning, which just gives me a different set of chords, different finger positions, things like that. So that even from a writing standpoint is that when I'm working on Ashen Horde stuff, typically my goal is to come up with something that's weird, different, hard to play things to really push myself as a player.

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It's not that I don't still want to push myself into Abhoria, but that's not the goal. I'm really looking for something that kind of dissonant and hits more of a feeling that I'm trying to convey. So yes, from a writing standpoint, there is a difference. Whether or not you hear it, I don't know, but I do. Oh, definitely. Yeah. Well, and you write most of all the music. Now, what's the collaboration process with the rest of the band then, Trevor? Are you Putin? And they're just like, yes, sir. Oh, boy.

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I'm trying not to come across as the Tobias Forge in this, but it's very much, I write the music, I do very fleshed out demos with program jumps and everything, send them to them to learn. It's not to say that they don't add their own spin. Ultimately, that's what I want them to do to a degree. But at the same time, I've got, I know what I want the song to be. They know what I want the song to be, because I've

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I'll say, yeah, actually, this is cooler than what I came up with.

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Sometimes I'll say, nope, sorry, you need to follow the demo closer.

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So it's controlled, but I do want, you know, some input.

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And that's, you know, you have other people like Wally on vocals and Igor's playing bass.

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They have skills that I don't.

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So I do want them to bring them in here and feel like they can put some of themselves into it.

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But, you know, within apparently the parameters I set.

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I mean, you're such a nice dude.

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It seems to me like it would be really difficult for you to be like, you know, I think you need to do it this way. Because I think I feel like that should be hard for you. Is it? I don't love being that guy. But yeah. So yes, I struggle with a little bit at the same time. I guess because they are things I've written. I'm pretty passionate about like, nope, this is how I want it. So it's not as hard to say, sorry, I like your idea, but you got to go with what I came up with. Right.

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Hey Trevor, so who's the rest of the band members? I mean, you mentioned two of them right now, but are they permanent members or is it kind of like, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Wally and Igor are both permanent as far as until something goes weird, who knows if someone cheats on someone, you know, with their wife or something, but a sex tape comes out. Yeah. When the sex tape comes out, we'll see that happen. But yes, for all intents and purposes, Abhoria is a band and I wanted it to be a band. Is it a three piece? It's currently a three piece. We had a studio drummer.

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who I think is going to end up playing on the second one as well but we have yet to kind of settle on a permanent drama especially if we start to do shows and stuff we're going to have to do that that was my next question are you going to do shows yeah we're talking about a lot we had really been delaying it because of a the release got delayed by a couple years honestly and so it's kind of like as was noted to come out yeah I think I think like Mont Blanc is that the name of it Mont Blanc the song came out like oh Mount of Bank yes

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Did you say Mont Blanc from Friends? No, it was like Mont Blanc. I was thinking Mont Blanc like the fancy pins. Yeah, yeah. I thought it was a kind of wine or something. Whatever. I feel like it came out like 10 years ago. When the promo came out, I got it. And when I loaded it into my player, it came up and said, Emporia 2019. And I told Trevor, I was like, dude,

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This says 2019.

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And he's like, oh, yeah, then you'd update that.

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I hope that got fixed.

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Yeah, it did.

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It did.

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Things where, I mean, the songs had been written a while back.

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We recorded it.

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We had one label deal, waited for a long time.

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COVID delayed everything.

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And then that fell apart.

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So then I had to go find another label.

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And then there was another huge delay just because of COVID and everything else.

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So, yeah, there was quite a stretch between the initial gambit of that first song and when the album came out.

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So it's kind of funny because in my mind it feels a little bit old because I wrote these songs a long time ago but I have to remember like no one else has heard them so hopefully they still sound you know new and not dated. Yeah no they sound great. I listened to it again this morning I was like fuck this is good. Yeah I'm really happy with it. That was kind of the cool thing about it in a way not that I want most albums I do to take years to come out but I hadn't really listened to it for a long time. I've been working on other stuff so when we started to talk about it

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I should actually listen to this album and learn these songs again.

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It was cool going back with a bit of a more objective view than I had when I was so into it.

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Trevor, I almost messaged you the other night because I have a Sonos surround sound system in my house.

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Sonos only works with a few things.

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And so you have to have music downloaded, you know, at Pandora or Amazon or TuneIn or whatever. Spotify. Or you can just, no, it does not work for Spotify as far as I know. Mine does. Oh, well, I need to fix that then. I wish I could get it banged. Anyway. I get to play the shit right off my phone. Yeah, I have. Well, that's the thing. That's what I was going to get at. I was, I don't have that much music on download on my phone, but I have the Ampourri on it. So the other night I'm sitting in my house, I'm having a beer and I'm

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Blasting Emporia. It was dark, just chilling out. Masturbating furiously. Sounds so romantic. Well, it was romantic to me. And I almost messaged you like, dude, I love this album and I'm just enjoying myself right now. See, told you. And I'm wondering though, what held back? Was it the clean vocals on Sunless? Like, nope, I can't. I can't do that. I think he was actually enjoying himself. You know, I see. No, no, no.

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That was actually one of my upcoming, it wasn't comment, more of a question, but for the listener's sake, a running joke around here is Will giving you grief about clean vocals on the Ash and Horde songs, but you told me an amusing story about the cleanish vocals on the last song. Maybe it was so minor you don't even remember it, but you told me. Are you talking to me or are you talking to Trevor? What are you talking to?

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Yeah, well, it's funny. I assume this is what you're thinking. Yeah. So when there was no plan to have clean vocals on that at all, I actually wanted because of this stylistic purity deal that I was going into. I was like, no, I want this like straight up pure black metal, black metal vocals the whole way. I wasn't there when vocals were recorded. They recorded them in Denver where Wally lives. And so I didn't even know this was happening. And so I heard they were going to, they want to do this.

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some clean vocals. I was like, no, not doing it. This is not the place.

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But they were like, well, let's just do what we have in mind. Send it. See what you think. And I got it. And I was just like, fuck, this is actually really cool. And so, and then I guess that touches right on giving them a little bit of freedom. In this case, I was like, no, no, no. But when I heard it, I was like, yeah, yeah. All right. This is actually really cool. So I did. I have already intimated though, like this is not the road we're going down.

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for this band.

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This is a Will-friendly band.

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I want him to push himself.

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I want him to do weird stuff, but that isn't the thing we're going to be doing.

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Yeah, I haven't read the credits yet, but I really hope you thanked Will or dedicated that song to him in the credits.

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I don't know.

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I know for a fact you guys are named in there, but I don't remember if Will.

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No, I don't think I mentioned that.

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That might have actually been in the Ash and Horde album.

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I know you're named somewhere, but anyway.

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No, I should have done that, and I will do it going forward.

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What I'm thinking we'll just do is we'll release two versions of the album. The regular and the special Will Cut. All the clean vocals. The Will Remix. You know what though? When it gets to the clean vocals, the Will Mix should just be dead silence completely with no music or just a loud klaxon horn or something just for like however long. It should just be screaming, not even music or anything, just vocals. It should just be like

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It goes censored beeps. Like whenever the clean scene comes on, it just goes beep. Like on that horrible killing is my business version where they bleeped out all the stuff on these boots. Yeah. Actually, Trevor, if you wouldn't mind on the Will remix, can you replace the clean vocals with children? Yes. Like screaming children or like just like a children's choir? Well, you know, that brings up a good question. Will, if children are screaming, is that okay? As long as they're not singing.

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You know, there's two albums that they had children on. It was one of the Machine Head albums, the second last Machine Head album. And then like Behemoth, wasn't it? And the Behemoth one. And God, there's a joke on the podcast where like, I love Behemoth, but man, there's three songs on their last album where they had the kids singing. It's like, I just have to skip over. I'm like, I cannot listen to it. So Will, are you cool with the wall? Yeah, because it's Pink Floyd.

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Get those kids, Trevor, and you're good. They're a little old now. They're all adults now. Can you sing exactly like you did on the wall? They're all 55. We don't need no education. Trevor, we're in the background yelling, no pudding for you. How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat? Oh, man. And for the listeners out there, to be

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The last song on the Aporium album that has some clean singing is not really all that clean. It's not like that Ashen Horde stuff. It's a little dirty. It's actually not too shabby. Dirty singing. Dirty, dirty. Really, this clears up what I've also wondered. It's my clean singing that you have. Exactly. You should not sing on any album that has

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Harsh focus on it. You shouldn't. I'm just telling you. I have no response. Yeah, yeah, there is no response. Trevor's not going to dignify that response. So Trevor, when you're working on these albums, do you, say you're working on Abhoria, do you just work on Abhoria or are you working on other albums, different bands and stuff? Do you focus on one thing at a time or are you doing multiple?

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I do try to do that. I found historically, if I bounce from project to project, I just don't get anything done. I tend to be too ADD with it. So I really make a concerted effort. Like right now I'm working on guitars for the second Abhoria record. That's all I've been doing for like the month of February. And when that's done, then I'll work on something else. Prior to that, I was working on another thing. So yeah. Sometimes like if I'm in just writing mode, I'll do whatever feels right at that moment. But when I get to like trying

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to finish things or record. No. It has to be focused. I would think you'd want to do that because I would feel like if you were working on several things, they would start bleeding into the other projects without you even realizing it. Right. That's also true. I do try to keep some, like, separation between them. Yeah. I mean, sometimes I don't even, that's been the age-old argument about, get a producer in the studio. You can't even understand what you're writing anymore because it all sounds the same. Right. So I can see that happening when you're playing. And that's a thing for me, too. That's always a fear. It's like, I don't want to self-plagiarize.

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too much. I think it's bound to happen eventually, but I don't want to get to a point where it's happening all the time. You're like, oh, well, there's that exact thing he did three times again. Well, at least you don't have to worry. You're not going to end up like John Fogerty and Corp being sued for music he wrote himself. Right. Copying the music he wrote himself. All you got to do is take Ash and Horde songs, play them backwards, and they're Abhoria songs. Or, you know. Well, I'd say technically, given the two tuning differences, I could play the exact

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same thing. All the notes are going to be different. There you go. It doesn't sound terrible, but it'll be different. The thing I always liked about that John Fogerty case is at some point, some lawyer had to say to him in a courtroom, you realize this sounds just like John Fogerty, right? I thought that happened. I thought he actually, that was one of his comments. He said, well, yeah, it does sound like that because I wrote it. It's my song. Oh, man.

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like a single person on a queen album cover right now i was gonna say that or like the photo shoot for the black helm but it made me think like i want him to be in a turtleneck but i will but that makes me realize like metal shirts we need turtleneck metal shirts you know it's funny you said that because i literally because i i turned on the lights out back because a lot of times like foxes and stuff will walk up here so i turn the lights all back but in in the house if i turn the spotlights on in the backyard then

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the living room lights start doing strobing. So I had to turn the living room lights off to turn those on. And then when I sat here in my black shirt with the light coming on, I'm like, oh, this looks like a queen album. This looks like a queen. Now you just look like a disembodied head. Head to head. Very active disembodied head. It does look weird. It's pretty awesome. So Trevor, how did you get hooked up with prosthetic? That's no small

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Yeah, it's funny. So it was like such a weird fluke. So when the Transcending Obscurity deal kind of came apart at the beginning of, I guess that was the beginning of last year. Time doesn't really mean much. That's kind of like up until January 2020 and now. But yeah, when that came apart, I was really bummed because again, the album had been waiting for a while to come out. And I was kind of in this like, do I want to self-release it? Eh, probably not. You just don't get the read.

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and it's expensive and it's all this other stuff. So I had this like week long kind of mopey period. I was like, what am I going to do? Are we going to release this thing? Are we just going to forget about it and do a new record and whatever? I even thought about like, you know, should I like change the name of the band and re-shop it as something fresh? Whatever. I don't know. But I was like, I'm going to give it one more shot. I had a list of labels that I had not contacted the first time around. I'm like, I'm just going to send it to all them. See what happens.

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If nobody comes back to a great, we'll self-release it, fine. And I had, it was so funny because the list had maybe 20 labels on it. And there were like tiny labels, medium-sized, big, and, you know, a handful that I'm like, we'll never reply. And that was like the Century Media and Earache and Prosthetic, whatever. Noise Blast. Nuclear Blast, I mean, sorry. Nuclear Blast, yeah. And so I sent it out and it was like the next day I got a reply, which was half the time, or not even, like 80% of the time, I don't get anything. Yeah.

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And just said, you know, from Steve Joe, who used to actually be the head of Century Media, like talent, whatever, he jumped over the prosthetic a while back. And he's like, hey, I really like this record. Do you have time to talk next week? And I was just like, holy shit. It felt like getting into MIT when I had like done no electives and wasn't good at science and math. And so, yeah, so we had a chat. He really loved the record. And that was that. So, yeah, it was really good.

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timing. And yeah, I'm just super happy it worked out. Were you like, hey, I've got this other band as well? Yeah, I actually, I have talked to him about that. Nothing has come of it yet. We're, I'll say this, we're super happy to be with Transcending Obscurity for the Ashen Horde record. That one's going forward. It's coming out later this year. So that's all great. But yeah, in the back of my mind, I was like, well, I've got like 50 other ideas if you want to just sign a suite of projects. But I did not.

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So what else are you working on? Can you talk about that? Are you doing something in a different genre? Yeah so the record I was working on before diving back into Abhoria Land is uh I mean I guess I'm not gonna reveal the name yet but because we got to do all that right but um something I've been wanting to do for a while which is much more of the like proggy metal record in the vein of Devin Townsend and Amorphous and things Queensryche elements I guess that kind of thing

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Purely Clean Vocals. So again, Will, sorry. No, no, no, no. I want to clarify. Some of my favorite bands are straight clean vocals. It's like when you mix them and they don't feel, I personally don't feel like they're necessary or whatever. It's like the trifle on Friends where Joey was happy, but Rachel accidentally mixed like beef and ladyfingers and whipped cream.

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because the pages were back together. Am I the only one that remembers this from Friends? Yeah, I remember. Vagly. Vagly. No. It was really bad. So if it's all clean singing, he's down, he's in. If it's all clean singing and you're not the one doing it, Trevor, then you can't do it. So then check and check. It's not me. There's actually, so there's a band that I'd be shocked if any of you remember, but if you do, that's

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It's amazing called Animal Bag from the late 80s and early 90s. They were signed to Atlantic. Terry

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Date produced an album for them. Anyway, they put out two albums in the late 80s that were fantastic. Did a third album called Image Damage in the early 90s, or about 95, I guess. Absolutely killer. It was produced by Terry Date. He'd done Pantera, I think, and some other stuff. Amazing record. Label was like, nope, this is not what we want to do. It's heavy. It's brutal. It's crazy. Too proggy. Dropped them. It never came out.

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I was fortunate enough to find a copy used in a record shop for like a quarter, 25 years ago, right? Loved everything. Anyway, when I was trying to come up with what I wanted to do for vocals for this, I was like, fuck, I'm going to reach out to the singer. His name's Luke Edwards. He's still active. He's got a Motorhead tribute band down in South Carolina, North Carolina, where he lives. I was like, I'm just going to hit him up. I love his vocals. I loved his band. Wrote him. He's like, yeah, these songs are kick ass. So he's going to be doing vocals on this thing. We're going to start working. That's amazing.

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And I'm really hoping it's going to turn out cool. Robin, who plays for Ashen Horde, did do the drums on it. Very proggy. It's still heavy, though. There's some double kick stuff, no blasts or anything like that. But hopefully, you know, I'm really happy with it. I think it's going to be cool. Very, very different than the other stuff, though. When's that? Do you have an expected release for that? No, we so guitars are basically done. I got to do solos and stuff. Drums are done. Hopefully we'll kick out vocals in the next month or two.

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And then it's going to be the whole shopping thing. Hopefully someone's interested. Awesome. But yeah. That's great. You've got so much going on. So I noticed as I was, I don't even know why I was looking at you on metal archive. I think it was to confirm the release date. Probably because you were jerking off. Well, yeah. With you, when you were listening to the album,

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Somebody's got to help hold that thing. Jesus. Anyway, I was on Metal Archive and I noticed you credited as Vore. Yeah. Is that your black metal name? And if so, how did you end up with that name? You know, it's so funny. This is one of those, like, I know it's early days to be like, that was dumb. Why did we do that? Yeah, we kind of were like, let's go into this thing with pseudonyms just because it felt right. It's 90s black metal. A buddy of mine back in high school used to always say, like,

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If you ever needed like a metal pseudonym, just go by Vore. And so Wally was already going by Walthrax and I was like, all right, let's just do it. But like, as soon as we did it, I was like, you know, this is kind of dumb. I don't think so. I'm not super happy about it. Whatever. It's cool. I wish I had a black metal name. But yeah, whether or not we'll stick with it, we'll see. But yeah, it's one of those changes for the next album. Yeah. With all new names. Yeah. Zor. Send them to me.

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I'm not no longer for I'm not Rove. Yeah. For your fourth album you can be four. No one's ever heard of that. I love that animal bag name. Somebody should just go with that or animal box would be good too. Yeah. Animal bull sack. That's a mouthful. Same thing as animal bag just different. I feel now like I should have adopted a totally different persona for

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I kind of or I kind of lost it I should have been like different just like creepy black metal guy I mean if you're going 90s you should have done some corpse paint okay this is another funny thing I think you'll appreciate that was one of the comments when I was talking to prosthetic and the owner of prosthetic was you know he had to run it by him or whatever and he's like yeah this is cool he's like but do they do corpse paint because that's like not we're not into that anymore no we don't I was laughing I'm like if that's something we need to do

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Yeah, but no, we don't do that. Yeah. Oh, man, that'd be fun. I did it back up the day when I was younger, but yeah, I don't know. It's been established on this podcast that I like to dress up. I don't want to get other black metal bands at all in any way because whatever, it's all cool, but I do feel like some of it's gotten a bit cliche these days. Oh, yeah. It's like, come on. Why don't you just put a bag over your head like all these black metal bands are doing today? Seems like there's like 90 bands and they all wear some like... Sack.

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Like ghoul, I think. Don't they do that? Or they wear like a bee. What do you call those bee things that beekeepers wear over the face of the bees? You actually do the big, huge beekeepers. Yeah, actually, no one's done that one yet, but I can think of like eight bands that do that. Doesn't you want to wear something? They just wear like, or Midnight. Midnight just wears like completely. I was thinking of the locusts for what you were talking about, Joe. Oh, yeah. You know, all the running around Midnight does. How do they see through that?

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I don't see any eye holes in there. You just get bubbles for everybody. Just be bubble boys. Yeah. Yeah. That's been done. That was, uh, Jesus. That was, uh, Francisco, um, flaming lips, and you know, uh, chili peppers, didn't they dress up as light bulbs one time? No, somebody else has had like a light bulb thing too, from San Francisco. I think it's chili peppers. I can't think of it now. So yeah, none of that. Maybe, I mean, we could, I don't know.

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what we could do. We could wear masks of the other people in the band so you won't really know who's who. There you go. That's another Pink Floyd The Wall reference, by the way. Did you? Oh, they did that? Well, you know, it was really cool when they, you know, Roger Waters, The Deep Thinker, when they did the few versions of the show live, the first song was played by people wearing Pink Floyd masks, the opening song. It's actually pretty cool. It's worth watching if you've never seen that live show.

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I don't think I ever have actually yeah well it's only available available on shitty versions but like laser disc or VHS no no no like beta oh yeah eight millimeter this beer's going quick so uh you mentioned shows is prosthetic gonna like hook you up with any cool tours or anything oh so yeah we know I never even finished that thought so yeah I guess we'll see um I we are hoping to do some maybe later in the year early next so the beyond

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all the other reasons we were waiting one of the biggest ones too with covid was like i didn't want to schedule something that got canceled everything i see is just perpetually sorry these shows are off these shows are off so you know between us not being big musicians that can just drop everything and go on the road like we have jobs and families we've got to worry about i really want to make sure that when it happens it actually happens so i think we're looks like we're kind of at the back end of this thing so that can happen so yeah hopefully later in the year when i

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We'll actually get out and do some stuff. Nice. And yeah, hopefully they can hook us up with some good. I know Paladins on the label. There's a couple of great bands on there that may, you know, from US that we might be able to go out with. Are you coming to the East Coast? Yeah, but you got to play Atlas. I mean, nothing is scheduled yet, but it's seen, honestly, East Coast is easier because you can get to a lot more cities and a lot less travel time. So yeah, you got to play here. That would be fucking awesome. There's traffic here. Don't, don't forget.

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I am well into that. You might be able to get to San Francisco faster. Right. No, I mean, I think we'd definitely be down two for one off stuff like that. I think that'd be really cool. Go out and do that kind of thing. Awesome. Trevor, when you get a chance, look up the band Residents. Residents? Do you remember the Residents? Like back in the day Residents? Yeah. Oh, yeah. They used to have the big giant eyeballs for their face covers. Yes, that's right. They never showed their faces. They did various things, but they were anonymous.

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The Eyeball was the famous thing they did. Sorry, I didn't want to forget. Awesome. Yeah, yeah, no, that's a good one, yeah. So I understand you used some unknown artist for the album artwork? Yeah, this guy no one's ever heard of. Yeah. What was his name again? Yeah, Alan Burr or something. Aaron Burr, I think. Yeah. Oh, right, yeah, shot the, yeah. Yeah, yeah, exactly. He's still around and doing great art. Nice. Yeah, that was actually when we

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When we had first signed on with Transcending, Kunal is a really big fan of Adam's. And so I kind of was asking, you know, who do you recommend? He was like, Adam Berkshire guy, go to him. So we did. And yeah, came back with, I thought, a very perfect illustration of kind of the dystopian landscape I was picturing in my head when I was writing the song. So I thought it turned out really cool. It's pretty striking. It's like even like out of the corner of your eye, you're like, oh, that's Abhoria. Yeah. Yeah, it is eye-catching. So yeah, I was very happy with it.

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Yeah, I love Adam Burke. I own two original paintings by him. He's more than any other artist. Hey, did Adam Burke do the last Temple of Void album? It sure looks, it's that kind of thing, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, I'm looking at like, so I think you did. Yeah, I'm just looking at the Aporia album cover. I'm like, man, this kind of looks like it does. He has similar themes in his stuff. So yeah, where it's like a little like, you know, a perspective with

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like small things in a distance and yeah that would be me i love the one he did for half which

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actually i think comes out next week we got the promo today i haven't sent it yet i haven't

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downloaded it yet what are you doing george i've been busy you know getting ready for now and i think

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cool the last one was really good yeah by the way i just i'm gonna go back two seconds here and i know i keep

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diverging but i just saw this the other day and it's cool because you brought up the water and they got put

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on the Amorphous tour here in America. Oh yeah, I saw that. I actually thought that was kind of a weird choice. Not anything against any of them. I mean, I saw them at Decibel a couple years ago. They're great, but it just seems like an odd choice with Amorphous personally. It is a weird choice, but I like both bands very much, so I'm totally looking forward to that. I actually like when they do that, when they have bands that just have different styles instead of doing like-minded bands. We've heard that before. Apparently Europe mixes it up a lot,

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more than we do here in the States. And here it's all like, oh, well, this is the bill. These are the kinds of bands you're going to have on. There's not going to be variety. I don't know. I mean, I've seen tons of tours where it's a complete mix of bands. So maybe it just depends maybe on the label that's pushing the bands on tour and stuff. I think it seems to me that was kind of vogue for a little while there, like maybe five, ten years ago when we're seeing some weird bills. And now it does seem a little bit. Yeah. Generic to me, but not generic, but.

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like yeah i don't know if you guys all agree with shows now is

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there's like six or seven bands a lot of the time on the bill and when they sound exactly the same and

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it's not that individually they're not great but that's a lot by the end you're kind of like

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burned on that one style i will i will 100 agree with you i just went i saw kind of a corpse in

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And I remember when the, you know, Ticketmaster announced it, I just bought tickets. I didn't care who was supporting artists. And then the day of the show, I'm like, Oh, you know, I don't even know who's opening. And it was all these, it was, um, what's the name? White Chapel and it was revocation and some other band. And it was like, all these bands are like this, like metal kind of like adjacent kind of stuff. And I was like, man,

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I could have skipped all this.

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Just came at like 10 o'clock at night and just saw Camel Corpse.

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Like it was,

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it was really disappointing.

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And it was literally like three bands that sound all exactly the same.

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And then Camel Corpse,

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it's like,

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dude,

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what,

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I don't know what the record label was thinking except like,

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Hey,

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we need to increase white chapel sales because Camel Corpse was playing.

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I,

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you know,

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I,

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I agree with both of what you guys are saying.

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Also,

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even if it's just not the same,

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I just don't need four bands on a Tuesday night,

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man.

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The earlier bands, too, because I think, like, even what you said, Will, I've been, you know, done that, too, where I look at the bill, and I'm like, if there's six bands, I'm not going to show up for the first four because, like, I got things to do, and I want to be energized for the last two, and they get screwed because no one shows up. Yeah, you have some national park you need to go hiking or something. Exactly. That's right. I used to love a long lineup because I didn't know the bands, so I was interested in going

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to find out of bands. But now I feel like I know most of the metal bands. And I'm old. So I skip some of that early stuff. But I do feel bad because those bands that are up and coming or are looking for a bigger audience, you know, they want people to come out and they don't get as big a crowd. We need to start. Maybe I'll start this at Atlas. Like, let's have the headliners go first. Yeah. So we can all then just go home. Go home. Didn't that actually happen a lot? I think I remember. Some people do that. And the Kiss would go and then there would be two bands after Kiss.

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Back in the early 70s.

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So yeah.

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I mean, Kiss, these guys in their 70s are like, we got to go to bed.

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We're going to play first.

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Oh, yeah.

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The metal musicals kicking in.

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So I've got a quandary next weekend.

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And it's not that I can't try to do a little math, but Exodus is playing a show.

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And I'm going to go to it.

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And it's on a Sunday or something.

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And it's got two bands before them I don't care about.

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But it starts at 2 o'clock in the afternoon.

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And I'm like, well, what fucking time do I go?

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You know what I mean?

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Yeah.

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What is that meme? Back in the 80s and early 90s, I loved, I went for the opening bands. It's like, okay, I'm going to see Megadeth. This is a known thing. I know this. I know I'm going to like this. But who's this band? I don't know. I mean, that's how I learned about Annihilator, Wrathchild America, who nobody knows about anymore. I know who they are. I've seen them a bunch of times. We know who they are.

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Their first album, Climb on the Walls, is fucking classic. They did a great, speaking of Pink Floyd, cover of Time. It's funny because they're actually from where I am now. People around here are like, oh yeah, I know all those guys. I used to play with them. They're from Hagerstown. Oh, okay. I didn't know that. No wonder I saw them all the time in Philadelphia. And Brad, the singer-bass player guy, he's like a tour manager now. And I'm like,

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on LinkedIn with him.

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So,

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um,

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well,

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it's tough too,

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for some shows because I know,

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I mean,

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there's so many shows here in Chicago.

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I I'm already ready to book a few of them,

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like go to a bunch,

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like 10 shows,

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which is nuts.

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Cause I haven't seen a show in like two and a half years,

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but some venues will actually start really late.

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And I wonder if it's because they want to get people in there before they

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start.

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Right.

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So like a place like empty bottle,

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I love that place,

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but they always start like an hour to two hours late.

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And it goes, you know, into the night. Sometimes it's hard to gauge with it. So usually I'll just roll with it and just go and see those bands. Or sometimes I'll even just go early and just drink beers and have food or whatever. Man, you just had me singing Ace Frilly in my head. Into the Night. Oh, nice. See, I knew Trevor would know that one. Oh, you bet. I have the seven inch somewhere near me. Hey, Marcus, that's funny. That's funny you should say that. On a good day.

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I'm laughing because it's so small. What were you saying, John? What I was trying to say was Will and George would know about this. We had a place here called Jack's. Yep. And they would always book six and seven bands at shows. But like the first three would be the same three bands every time because they were local bands. Yeah. Dominion. Doors at seven starts at eight. So you're like, okay, that's cool. I can roll in around maybe 930.

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They sometimes wouldn't even have started yet. I remember I saw the headline come on once at like 12.30, 1 o'clock in the morning. I was like, you gotta be fucking kidding. I hate that too. I don't know if it's my age, but yeah, it happened a lot in New York too, where it's like, especially the weeknight, it's tough when the headliner goes on at midnight or what. It's like, dude, I cannot. And then they play for like an hour and a half. You're like, oh, this is bullshit. I will tell you that I'm the director of heavy metal operations at Atlas. And when we say we're starting a show at 8, I mean,

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It's either starting at 8, maybe at the latest 8, 10.

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Right.

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8, 30, 8, 45 at the latest.

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Awesome.

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No, no, no, no.

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I'm like, no.

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And I'm like, I don't care if there's not many people there.

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Like, we said we're going to start at 8.

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We're going to start at 8.

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Because guess what?

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On a weeknight, I have to clean all that shit up.

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I have to break the stage down.

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I have to break all the sound equipment down.

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Because where the bands play is right in the brewing space.

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So especially if it's a weeknight, that stuff.

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has to come down. So I show start on time at Atlas. There are a couple of tightly run tours I've seen from time to time. I want to say Alice Cooper was one. And I think Maiden has done this before. When you go and literally they'll post on their Facebook page the band times. I love that. That is my favorite thing. Yep. The best. It's the best, dude. Well, you know who's 930 Club used to do that for every show. They used to post it on their website. I love that show. Then they went indie bands. And so I don't know if they do it anymore.

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You know who's really good

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at keeping on schedule

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is MDF at the Addison Law.

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Because of the back and forth stages,

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that shit is precise.

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They are really good.

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That's good.

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Because we're all going there.

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Yep.

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Hey, if I can bring this back to Aboria

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for a hot second.

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What?

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Wait, oh, that's my man.

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That's you, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, hey.

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I want to know how in your in your band like your three band member um promo photo how you got Gary Holt and Scott Ian to pose with you I had not thought of that but uh you look at that photo on band camp that literally looks like Gary Holt and Scott Ian and you how do you know it isn't them I mean it could be the one guy definitely looks a lot like Scott Ian from Anthrax and the other guy kind of looks like if Gary Holt

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had a younger brother and got punched in the face.

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But no.

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Ouch.

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He says well.

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Oh.

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Wow, you're right.

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This is still better looking than all of us except for Trevor.

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Trevor's super handsome.

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Yeah.

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Thank you.

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No, but that was a good comeback or a good save there because you were sort of like,

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he looks like Gary Holt.

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He looks like Gary Holt's got Ian in you.

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And yeah.

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This is kind of a little.

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Your hair's pretty though.

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Like you were disappointed.

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Not saying that either one of them.

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I'm just gonna dig this whole deeper not saying any either one of them are good look I mean Trevor's

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obviously hot as shit I mean he should know we were talking about magazine coverage you're not you're gonna be

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either on men's health or playgirl you're not gonna be on Rolling Stones dude he's taking the Peter Steele route

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speaking of which how tall are you again me uh about six two and a half okay I thought it was more than that we were talking about that because because Will said something recently he's like Trevor's short I'm like no he's not

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I'm standing next to, but yeah. All the things about myself, no, I am not short. I think you seem short because you were with, I think the last time I saw you at Philly, you were with your buddy who was like 7'5". Was his name Justin? Jordan was the one we were hanging out with. Yeah, yeah. Isn't he like super tall? Yeah, I thought so. He seems super tall. Maybe it's because you're so fit and skinny that you seem short.

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What's the word I'm looking for? Not ominous. Menacing? No, no, no. That's not even what I was going for at all. He's like an imposing figure. Intimidating. I'm glad he came up too because I loved hanging out with him. I literally remember when we left, like I'm not joking, we parted ways at a cheesesteak place late at night, if you may remember.

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And I literally said to Jordan, I was like, you know, I knew I was going to have a good time, but I didn't know I was going to fall in love. I just had so much fun with that guy. We kind of hung out together a little bit, like when we're at the hotel and shit. And whose room were you in? And did you tell him that you were his favorite guest? Hey, I've hung out with Trevor and he's fun too. Damn straight. Trevor was there.

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What band again is Jordan in? Because I remember it was weird because... That's right, because I actually own that album on Bandcamp. And I was like, oh, dude, I own this album. I fucking love it. And I think they're working on a new record, too. Cool. Yeah. Yeah, he and I actually...

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God, it's been so fucking long. This again, I think I might've mentioned it on the, what was it called? The war journal or something? Yeah. Yeah. I wrote a thrash record early on in the Corona days when I was needing something to focus on and didn't know what the world was coming to. So I wrote a full thrash album and Jordan is going to be great for that. We just haven't gotten around to recording it yet. And yeah, Markisan looking, yeah, you contributed lyrics to that one too.

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I've heard the whole thing. It's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I did lyric. I don't, how many songs I do? Three. Three. Yeah. Should I do more? Should I do more? I don't, I forgot about this. I've got an idea for the album cover. It's based off of Metallica's load. Okay. I'm ready. I'm ready. I just need a couple of panes of glass. And when you said you're ready, he just got.

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That's what I meant. I meant like I'm ready. Wait, wait, let's back up. Artisan, you wrote lyrics for their thrash album? Yeah. So, well, Trevor and I collaborated because he did a song for a short story that I wrote. I did a prose story. And I asked him to do a song for the lead character and he did an instrumental. And it's kind of like a do me or song than what he's done. Ashen Horde. It's under the Ashen Horde moniker.

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So we put that on as a cassette and then Trevor asked me if I want to do lyrics for this. There it is right there. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's cool. In fact, that's Jonathan LaMacha who did the art and he's done shirts for Trevor too. So we got all this collaboration going and now I'm talking to John about doing covers. Jonathan LaMacha, I just said. Oh, sorry. Don Quixote. He's a great horror cover artist and he's done stuff for heavy metal and comics and all kinds of stuff.

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So yeah, so Trevor asked me to do it. I was like, I don't, I've never really written lyrics before, but I'll give it a shot. So he sent me all the tracks because they're all done. I mean, I say done. They sound like they're done, but Trevor's always tinkering with things. He sends me like, these are rough demos. He thinks they sound like demos. They're ready to go. They're ready to be put on an album. Just put some, you know, vocals on and it's ready to go. So yeah. So I did three songs.

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And I haven't done, I was going to do more about the Hawaii move and everything. So now I should get back to do that. Cause that was actually pretty fun to do listening to the album, then come up with a lyrics for it. So I think they're pretty good. I think they're pretty good lyrics. A bit of a kick to get it moving again too. And Trevor wanted, he wanted to do something that was, you know, vital to what's going on in the world, you know, something a little bit different. Something that said something about what was happening.

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I know.

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into that. It was mostly about children singing and your giant member. Yeah. Very important things. Two separate things, by the way. Two separate things. Very, very, very separate. Right, right, right. You know, metal bands need to start wearing shirts by like hip hop artists and pop musicians. This is a two-way street, people. If they can wear metal shirts, we can wear frickin Billie Eilish shirts, okay? That's right. That's right. I do have,

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I like Oasis t-shirt I was wearing the other day. I'm sure that'll... Did it make you want to punch yourself in the face? I like Oasis. I mean, they punch each other, but you know. That's just a little Oasis humor if you know anything about the band. Come on, folks. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They've thrown a puncher too. It's crazy too because I don't think about Oasis that much, but Mark Lannigan passed away recently.

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And I had read his book within the last couple months. I had a signed copy of his book and read it. And he talks a lot about Oasis and that. And it was all over the news because they did not get along. Oh, God, no. Geez, I wonder why. Yeah. Marcus, speaking of which, did you see Colt DeLuna's post about Marx? I did. That was a wonderful, wonderful story. And did you read the message he sent back to them? I did. Yeah, that was very cool. That was really cool. He did that.

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It's neat too, because it kind of comes back around to Trevor. He was talking about, he really admired that band Animal Bag, and he asked the singer to come and be a part of his new project. And the same thing with Cult of Luna. They were really big fans of Mark Lanigan and wanted him to come on the record and just ended up asking him. And he's like, sure, I'll do it. And then saying that doing that record, doing the song really touched him. I mean, what a wonderful email or message to get.

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from them. Shit, I'm going to write to Dee Snider on Twitter and be like, dude, I want to do a podcast with you. Do it, man. He did the Ed Guy record, or not Ed Guy, Aventasia. He seems like a cool dude. You never know. That's true. He might. By the way, he's standing up for Ukraine. I know. That was awesome. I was like, God, I love this man. I'll tell you this. If you get Dee Snider on, you know how my daughter came on for Chemist? My son will come on. My son is a

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I don't mean having him on here I mean starting a new podcast with Dee Snider oh like oh no no you know like like like you have the singer for the band on your album I have Dee on my on our podcast all right listen this this is it's all about me right now no no I fulfilled my my daughter's dream that she got to interview the lead singer guitarist for her favorite band in the world chemist Phil from chemist if I if you can get Dee Snider on this podcast

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and I can get my son to ask him questions, then I will be the best father in the world. If we can do that, I will literally recreate the Load album cover. You know, Will, I have a recommendation I've been meaning to tell you about, and it's because I know you like Stay Hungry, and I do too, a lot, and the records before it as well. There's a live at the Hammersmith Odeon show they released a little while ago, so 81 or 80, whatever year.

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was the Stay Hungry tour. It is so fucking good, dude. If you don't have it, you need to get it. You can download it everywhere, probably. Live at the Hammersmith? Yeah, it's so fucking badass, dude. It was right when Stay Hungry came out. It's got everything on it, burning hell and blah, blah, blah. And it's just fucking raging good. Dude, I remember I was in seventh grade, I think, when Stay Hungry came out. And I was obsessed with that album. What year was that? Seeing those videos? 84? Yeah, it was like, holy shit. Yeah, probably 84, George. I love it.

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I was obsessed with it too well. Sophomore in high school. Well, that's, you know, you're old. But, you know. My son loves a song, We're Not Gonna Take It. And I love Burden Hell. And so does Ukraine. The reason we brought that up was Ukraine is using We're Not Gonna Take It as a rallying cry. And he supported that. Oh, okay. Oh, I didn't know that. All right, cool. And he posted on Twitter, he was like, that's great, and fuck Putin, and blah, blah, blah. Anyway, it came out in 84, George. Of course I got that right.

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What are you talking about? What you talking about, Jay? Exactly. I don't have a question. I have a statement. Oh, yeah. Okay, go. Abhor is by far my favorite thing that you've ever done. It is amazing. I literally went one Mountain Blank. What's it called? Yeah. When that song came out, I'm like, holy crap, I cannot wait for this. And I had to wait two years. But dude, like, it is amazing.

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For the listeners out there, just go get it. It is literally an amazing album. I'm probably going to play it on the Sona system, sitting here drinking a beer when we're done with this and just chilling. Because you won't be asleep for a change. Yeah. It's not early tonight. It's crazy. Hats off to You Got You and Igor and Wally. It's a really great album. It's amazing and I love it. Thank you. Also, every heavy metal band needs at least

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one member named Igor. We need to start this now. That is so fucking metal. Wait, does he ever go by Igor? Does he ever go by Igor? It's funny you say that because he actually plays on the new Ashen Horde as well. And I guess for that reason, I was like, there's no Igor. Two Igors and one plays base. So there you go. Where is Igor from? He grew up in Venezuela, but I believe he's Polish.

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I grew up in Venezuela. One of the two. I forget. Probably born in Poland because Igor is a Slavic name. I have to thank Will who sent this to me. It's Jay. It's got the hump and everything. For articulated parts though, Will, they should have that hump.

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So you can move it from side to side. That's right. Wait, wasn't there on the cover side? I have to go back and watch that again. I absolutely love that movie. Yeah. You know, I did convert you a fan this past week. I was talking with our friend Justin, who's been on a few episodes ago. And I don't know why it came up, but I was like, maybe he was, I think he was asking about the new episode. And I was like, oh yeah, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he was like, oh yeah, I listened to a little bit of that.

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It's just sort of like noncommittal. And I was like, well, you fucking better listen to it. And like two days later, he comes back and he's like, dude, he's like, that was awesome. Glad I listened to it again. So that's it. Word of mouth is the best way to get this stuff out these days. So sorry to out you, Justin. Oh, geez. Well, it's awesome that you, you, you got in with a prosthetic. Cause I feel like I see a lot of promotion for Abhoria and that's really nice.

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that they're behind the album fully and that you're getting out there. Trevor, it's been cool. And some of the, you know, opportunities like getting due to guest DJ spot on Give Me Metal was really fun. We got to do, I got to do Pulse of the Maggots on Knotfest with Corey and Stapop. That was really cool. So yeah, it's been really, really cool. Just like seeing it out there so much. What's it like to be a rock star? Let us know. Well, nothing like I thought. There's no money.

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No parties.

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That sounds typical.

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I thought this guy was going to be a rock star.

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What the fuck?

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Who would have thought?

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I always assumed like you get one like underground black metal record out and that's it.

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Everything turns around.

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I got a mansion and like, no, no, none of that.

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A cover at a Rolling Stone, of course.

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I know.

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I'll tell you this.

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You know, we're all on Zoom so we can see each other.

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And John's background is very similar to Trevor's background. And it's just like a stack of CDs. You know what? You need to stop wasting your money on CDs and start investing it into a mansion. I do. That's true, actually. That would probably be a smart thing. My wife would probably approve of that. Yes. You know, it didn't used to be like that. I'm reading the Pete Townsend book right now. And, you know, they had like one hit song and all of a sudden he's like, got cars. Yeah, exactly. And that's what I was brought up like. That was my vision.

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And then obviously I didn't get into music for that, but it was like, that's what I assumed happened when I was a kid. Like you get a song, an album comes out and now you're like this multimillionaire. Yeah. Well, it's like, look at Twisted Sister. We're not going to take it. It's like they wrote one song, went on the radio and went viral, like viral, you know, before viral was a thing before viral was a thing. Yeah. And, uh, you know, and now they're broke. Yeah. And now, yeah. In D's book, he talks about taking a job as like a receptionist at one point.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause, cause they just like lost everything. Yep. How did they lose it? The record label just took it all or they just spent all their money? I think spending, I know I've read about like Bobby Blotts or a few of those too. Like this peak of like, they made a lot and it just doesn't stay there. Like $3 million doesn't really go that far. Yeah. It's cool. It's not going to last you for 20 years. Yeah. But if you're, but if you're buying a whole bunch of cocaine and not that D was obviously, but, uh,

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I'm sure Bobby Blitzer was.

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This reminds me of that moment. I don't know if you guys watch the extras to Bookie Nights at all, but the scene where they're in the studio and they're just totally fucking wasted and the studio pulls the plug on them and they're trying to make their record. And the guy is like, you're not paying us, so we're taking your record. He says, but if we finish the record, then we can make the money to pay you. It's like, it doesn't work that way. You haven't paid me yet. It's like, no, you don't understand. If we just finish the record, we can pay.

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How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat? Wait, wait, this is Boogie Nights? They're form stars. Yeah, they, there's, in the extra state, they actually go into the studio, they decide they want to become like a rock band. Oh, okay. They're fucking horrible, which is the whole, which is the whole point of it, you know, but it's just, it's John Riley, who I, I still think that's his best role, and he just, it's, to hear him discuss this, this back of the chicken and the egg thing, you know, back and forth.

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It's really funny. So when you said that, yeah, Rockstar got no money. It made me think of that scene. I don't know why, but it did. Hey, Trevor, when you're walking down like the streets in like Beverly Hills, is anybody like, oh my God, it's Trevor. No, you know what everyone says? Oh my God, it's Dave Grohl. That has happened. And I'm not joking. Really? Oh, Dave, you should come to Springfield, Virginia. Come to Springfield, Virginia.

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are like, oh shit. And I'll people will look. And I know every fucking time they're like, oh my God, it's Dave Grohl. And if you go and like put on like a hat and sunglasses, then they'll really think it's you trying to hide being that it's you. Absolutely. Yes. So it's funny what John was saying, because I was listening to the, I listened to Howard Stern show quite a bit. Justin, you're welcome. And, um, and, uh, he was interviewing the Foo Fighters and Dave Grohl. And I just realized that Dave Grohl is from Springfield, Virginia.

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which is like yeah two minutes from us yeah yeah it's like right down the street i'm like okay

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because he started talking about like yeah i grew up in like the suburbs of dc and he was

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talking about dating this girl and and going to the like the senior prom or something on a boat on the

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potomac and this whole like he went in this whole thing i was like wait a minute and he's from

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springfield oh yeah i say hey well by the way i was driving over there probably actually know it i think he

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I think he actually said Annandale. I believe it because I was driving in the area once about 15 years ago and I swear to God I was coming down I can't remember where it was if I was on back like or something and Mercedes was crossing my path and I swear it looked just like him and as I drove by I looked at him I said motherfucker's here in town to see his mom and I just you know I'm convinced it was him because his mother I think still lives here. Yeah well he's got there's a song on

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a thing called Arlandria that I think it's like Arlington, Virginia. It's like Arlington, Alexandria. Yeah. He's back here all the time. Apparently that's the rumor that he's always in the area. And Trevor, just for the record, you're way better looking than he is. Thank you. I appreciate that. You actually play metal. Yeah. Yes. Hey, so does Dave now. Now that's right. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I'll respect to Dave. The thing, I don't know. This is like topic jumping, but

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That track they put out is what is it demon? I forget what this track is called. Whatever it is. The song. The thing that made me nuts about that and like I think they're actually great. I really like Foo Fighters. I think he's super talented and worthy of all his fame. I do too. I hated how everyone was like the Foo Fighters go death metal. I was like oh my god dude there's nothing death metal about this song. Yeah Luke Oram one of our friends posted about that. Did you see his post? He was like

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What is this? It's like Foo Fighters put out mid-range, you know, vaguely motorhead-y rock. Everybody says they go death metal or whatever. It's like back in the day when Helmet's Unsung album, or Meantime, sorry, Meantime album came out, Rolling Stone was like death metal. And that's like nothing like death metal. It's nothing like death metal, but I will say I love Meantime. Oh, yeah, it's a great album. Oh, that's a great record, yeah, but it's not death metal. No. You know what else is in death metal? The band.

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The Eagles of Death Metal. Exactly. If you've listened to the Desert Sessions sessions they did prior to the Eagles of Death Metal themselves albums, where they did like kind of acoustic-y country with Death Metal growls. Trevor, that was a lot of whiskey and a lot of cigarettes. That's what that was. It made sense. I like how Trevor's like, good try. Good try, guys. Yeah. Almost there. That's a lot of cigarettes.

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So you mentioned that there's,

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it sounds like there's some Ashen Horde in the can ready to go.

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Yeah.

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The fourth record is done and it's been,

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again,

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it's this like endless delay pressing plants and stuff.

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I think you say the can,

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is it in the trash can or no,

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I seriously hope not.

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No,

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it is with transcendium security done.

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I just really literally waiting for the announcement.

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Actually, I saw a post today, and I don't know if it was in a private Transcending Group or on their webpage, but they made some holographic stickers of the album artwork. It's the first official sneak peek of anything relating to the fourth record that's out there. It should be coming shortly. It's got a really cool cover by Nick Sundin from Dark Tranquility did the artwork for it. It turned out really cool. The cover kicks ass. I saw it long ago. You're going to have two albums in one year.

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In one half year, maybe. Does Adele have an album coming out anytime soon? Shit, I hope not. Because if she does, it's not coming out until 2025. Trust me. She has completely blog jammed all the vinyl plants around the world. Oh my God, I know. Yeah, people don't believe that story. It's true. That is true. So weirdly enough, right behind me in that dark abyss back there is Adele 30 in vinyl. Oh. Yeah.

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I've got a Dell vinyl. Yeah, it's amazing. The reason why I have it is I have the record player here and there's no need for any vinyl at the other place. So I inherited all the vinyl. So I have a sing soundtrack. I have some Prince Purple Rain. Oh yeah, so do I. Let's go. Purple Rain.

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You don't have to like it to respect the

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ability. Respect the purple.

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I will say this. Prince was a way better guitar player than he ever got credit for.

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Holy God. Phenomenal. Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, speaking of guitar players, we have this guy named Trevor Ron.

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He plays guitar.

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Yeah, I try.

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He does it all, dude.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So did you have any albums from last year that really stood out to you?

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You're asking me personally? Like that you enjoyed, you know? See, I'm moving on. I'm into other areas. Yes, he's asking you. Yes, me. Yeah, you know, there were certainly things I liked, but the one that stands out, and I posted about this on Facebook at some point, but I had submitted some sort of top albums thing. I forget which site it was for, but I heard it like two days later, but Jason Beeler's record that came out last year, Songs for the Apocalypse,

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He was the guitar player from Saigon Kick, who I never cared about. Only knew that one Love Will Find A Way song because it was on the radio a lot. His record is phenomenal. Best thing that came out in 21 as far as I'm concerned. You like it then. Okay, so I'm actually going to see him in a couple months. Love it. He's playing Prog Power. Yeah, yeah, I know. I'm jealous. And he's been interested in Scott Soba recently, but I thought that was like... Cool. I'm going to check that out. I love Saigon Kick. The Lizard, I love that. Oh my God, I went back and bought those.

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records after 11.

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They're really good.

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They're very,

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they are.

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They're kind of ahead of their time.

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Very much.

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So it's funny.

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You mentioned Saigon kick.

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Cause this is going to play right into my next.

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It's not even a question.

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It's more of a,

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it's more of a quiz.

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Oh,

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wait,

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is that the only album he has?

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Yeah.

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Well,

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he's done a bunch of still,

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but it's no,

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it's you.

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Is that the only album you like from last year?

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Oh,

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going back to that.

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No,

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sorry,

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George.

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I'm trying to think of what else came out last year.

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I really liked the Monster Magnet record, the covers one. I thought it was fantastic. What else? Cannibal Corpse came out with a record. Yeah, it was fine. George, kick him off. I love Cannibal. I agree. It's probably my favorite death metal record, but it was good. It just didn't settle with me as much as other things. What else came out last year? There was an old Guns N' Roses song.

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I used to love you.

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Oh, now you're going to kill me, eh?

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Yeah.

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That's really...

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Wait, so you're saying Trevor's a dog?

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That's what the song's about.

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Is that about a dog?

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It's about his dog.

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I don't think I ever knew it was about a dog.

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Really?

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I'm pretty sure it's about his dog.

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Yeah, it's supposed to be...

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It's supposed to make you think it's like he killed his girlfriend or something, but it's really about having his dog put down.

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Yeah, that's all it is.

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Oh, but everyone got offended in the 80s.

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Yeah.

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I thought it was pretty clever.

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I found my top albums of 21 just to remind me what came out.

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The Halloween Record, I absolutely loved. God, everyone has said that. I haven't listened to it yet. Loved it. I mean, I love old Halloween, new Halloween. I thought this was like all of it pushed together. It was amazing. Is it like, is it harking back to like Walls of Jericho, Keep Your Seven Keys 1 and 2? Yes, very much so. There are elements of the later Halloween because, you know, Andy Daris is still involved. Is Kai on the album too? Did they bring everyone back? That's what I thought. And they all sing different. They all sing, yeah. All three, yeah.

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It's really like it's the best of every era of Halloween all put together

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Okay

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I need to pay more attention to that

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Great

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I really like that Esa Holopainen from Amorphous

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I loved Silver Lake I thought that was super cool

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Pine Harrier put out North Star I liked a lot

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The Cradle Record

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I actually thought Existence is Feudal was the best cradle thing in a while

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Yeah

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I can agree with that

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Northwest by Reed was great.

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That was great.

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Stones that dancing into oblivion was great.

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Um,

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those are things I had on my list.

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So there you go.

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All right.

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So I was in the car the other day and on Ozzie's boneyard,

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they do this ultimate center thing.

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Were you in the back?

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No,

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uh,

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I was driving where listeners get to talk about and spend some of the

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songs they like.

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Shut up.

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And,

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uh,

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this woman,

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played a song that just highly offended my musical sensibilities. And I was like, are you kidding me? Like who still listens to that? You know, this is going to be a Trevor still listens to that kind of thing. Yeah. And I know that like myself, Trevor, you still enjoy some of the eighties hair and glam bands. Here we go again. Now this is going to be worse than that. So yeah, I immediately like I'm driving

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down the road and I immediately wondered I wonder if Trevor listens to this band still or has ever for that matter very high like firehouse or something or this is going and there's a high likelihood I have it here and so I came up with George's do not listen hair metal list these are bands from that period that I absolutely despise and I want to see if you like them there's like 15 defend them all right oh this is yes it's sort of like that who has that defend your shitty taste it's like metal sucks or

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from Decibel. Decibel, okay. Yeah, Defend Your Shitty Taste. So that's what this is. I've got, I think there's like 14, 15 bands. I'm just going to list them and you're going to say like them or hate them or don't care. Or don't know, yeah, okay. All right, so the- This should be a regular segment, by the way. I know, I know. I like this. But, you know, no, I mean, I like- I like a lot of the stuff that you like. Exactly. But I was just like, hey, this is something neat we can do. Except you're not shaving your taint well. But,

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I was actually wait well I want to back up because I think I think I did do a lightning round with you Trevor the last yeah yeah yeah okay he's a veteran yeah all right but I was gonna do I was gonna do a quick lightning round it was just basically gonna be like clean vocals or chainsaw taint shave and is a killer band name I know right that's a total grindcore so this could take a hit for your extreme

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Just saying. Oh, please. As if my entire personality and being doesn't already do that. All right. So the one that inspired this that I heard on Boneyard was Jackal. Oh, man. Okay. I actually really like the first Jackal record. I think I Stand Alone is absolutely fucking killer. Subsequent Jackal stuff, I do not care for. I picked it up now and then if I see it and it's like, meh. But I do think the first record's good. All right. Get your chance.

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And Lumberjack is fucking incredible. Come on. That's the only one I know. I know. Me too. Check out I Stand Alone. It's a really solid kind of ACDCS or whatever. That sounds like a Killer Dwarf song. Speaking of which, that's not on the list, but Killer Dwarfs. Can I just stop you right here? Because I like Killer Dwarfs. I got hooked on this 80s revival festival that happens about two hours north of me. And so it's funny we're starting this out. So Jackal is one of the headliners.

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And then you said Killer Dwarves, George. They are also involved. I fucking love them. So I stand with you on this, Trevor, if anything comes of that. All right. I mean, Matt, did your heater break? No, our heaters are, our heaters are, well, they're, they're working well, but I'm in the basement. What's with the fingerless? Yeah, I feel like you're on a street corner with like a steel drum. Is it like my Paris Hilton gloves for when I DJ? It's called Minnesota. Yeah, literally. Okay. So my hands are literally. Minnesota.

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My body's fine, but my hands literally crack and bleed. That is happening to Barb right now. I don't do it every time. O'Keefe's. Do you know about O'Keefe's? Well, well. No, but I saw a commercial. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Thanks for showing us your beat-off lotion, but I'm talking about O'Keefe's for your hand lotion. It's lots of use. Multi-use, that's right. It is multi-use, trust me. Here in Minnesota.

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Our palms freeze.

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It will.

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Everything is nice and soft here.

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That's right.

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I just really like friction.

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That's what this is.

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Okay, so.

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Wait, it's guaranteed relief.

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It says right here.

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One down.

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I like how Matt was going to try to say something, and we just started talking about his gloves.

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Oh, right.

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Yeah.

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Sorry, Matt.

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You good?

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Hey, next episode, we're all going to have months, so I get it.

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So yeah, you ask Trevor, and then I'll tell you if they're headlining this show, and then I'll let you know that I will have these gloves on at the show.

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Okay. So next on the list, and this is going alphabetical from here, Bang Tango.

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Oh, God.

01:17:42.460 --> 01:17:47.300
I know nothing of them. I could not name it at all. I know the name, but that's it.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Can it be shortened to Bango? Because that would be better.

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Bango.

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Or just Tango.

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You can have a tribute to Bango.

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Mongo.

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Bango.

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We can play that.

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Bango sounds like a dating app that we was going to keep. For drunks. Yeah. Bang and go. All right. Yeah. There you go. Bango. Brittany Fox. Oh. I picked up the best of and it was painful because I never loved them either and it was hard to get through. Yeah. Okay. It's a lot of hair. This is a tough one for me because I really because they they were like hair metal but they didn't they dressed more like Robert Palmer.

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This is Bullet Boys. Oh, yeah. Oh, I think Smooth Up In Ya is a great song. Oh, my God. Okay, next time. Smooth Up In Ya. Mark Corey's got a great voice. There's actually a couple songs on that first record that are not terrible. I don't hate the second one either. What is it? Hang on, St. Christopher. Give us your best clean vocal Smooth Up In Ya. Come on. Oh, I can't do that. I just did it. You can do it. I think my wife's taking a nap. That would just be me.

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No. Do it quietly. Taking a nap. What the? There you go. I don't know. Do it loud. All right. All right. Well, I'm already ashamed. Hey, just dude, there's plenty more to come. All right. Danger. Danger. Naughty, naughty. No, I don't care much for them. All right. Too many keyboards. Okay. Enough is enough. Oh, God. I don't hate enough's enough, but don't love either.

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I know it all comes back to the Wild Hearts. The Wild Hearts did a version of their song, Time to Let You Go, that's actually quite cool. But I don't know much beyond that. All right, fair enough. I think Kip's Enough just put on Melm a couple years ago. Yeah. Jet Boy. I only remember the Mohawk. Yep, me too. I know nothing of the music. Pretty Boy Floyd. Nope, another one. Only know by name, don't know the songs. Shotgun Messiah. Nope, same story.

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I like the name though it's a little more brutal

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you're getting better cred here now

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George is in the weeds now

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I know we're high

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Sleazebees

01:20:07.340 --> 01:20:10.200
oh I fucking love Screwblood and Tattooed

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Stranger Than Paradise

01:20:12.390 --> 01:20:14.940
the title song Screwblood and Tattooed

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that album is killer

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their earlier record with a different singer is pretty good too

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but his English is not as good

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not so Sleazebees

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actually I take it back

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most of their records are fucking cool

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Power Tool is good. Insanity Beach is good. So no, I'm actually 100% on the Sleaze Bees boat. All right. Steelheart. I just remember his voice on that Never Let You Go was like brutally high, but I don't know anything beyond that song. Yeah, I had a roommate that really liked them and I was like, uh. Tora Tora. Nothing. Not Danger Danger, but Tora Tora. Tora Tora, no. Okay. TNT.

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Oh, I think Intuition's a solid record. Cop Between the Tigers is great. Enslaved covered one of their songs. Wow. There's some actually famous musicians from that band, aren't they, that have been around for a while? Tony Harnell was in TV. Yeah. Tony's playing at Rock Timber. Oh, nice. All I know is I Want to Be a Star by them. Intuition's a good record. If you like, like, 80s prog metal, it's a good record. All right. Two more. Trickster. Okay.

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This is getting sad, but yes, I do like Give It To Me Good. I met one of the trickster dudes when I was about 13 at the show, and he was really nice to me, so maybe that helped. Well, of course. Yeah, but anyway, yeah, I think One In A Million and Give It To Me Good are not terrible tracks. All right, Stuart, here's the last one. Winger. I love Winger. Winger is playing Rock Timber. The first two, three records are great. I haven't followed anything beyond that, like the newer, so I hear it's good.

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#meetual. Hashtag #meetual. 17 is the dark mark on their catalog. It's awful. Kiss is still out there. Christine. 16. I know, it's just creepy and whatever, but no musician wise they're fucking great. Kip had come out of the doing Alice stuff and I think those records are great. Alright. I don't know what this ultimately says about me, but there you go.

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I'll give Winger one bit of credit. Rod Morganstein plays with them. Yeah. Rod Morganstein is fucking incredible. Between Rod and Red Beach and Kip is a great guitar player or bass player. Funny little twist to Kip is actually he's from Denver, which is where I grew up. And my babysitter when I was a kid was introduced me to a lot of that stuff. She was into Rat and Wasp. And now that's some good stuff. So that's where I got into a lot of that when I was a kid. When she was younger, Kip babysit.

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He sat her. Wow. Oh. Hey, George, I got your Stuart joke, by the way. Yeah. Yeah. Everything you just said, I think I've seen on a porn site, by the way. What, right now? Hey. Oh, my babysitter was introduced to me. My babysitter. Oh, yeah. Her babysitter was introduced to her. I know it's hard to believe, but my babysitter. Yeah. Are you going to the Wasp Armored Saint show? Is it coming? I'm assuming they're playing out there. It's coming through. I'd love to go. Actually, the

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The Singer I was talking about from Animal Bag. He was super psyched about that show. He's going to go see them. Yeah, I'd love to go. More for Armored Saint than Wasp. I like Wasp a lot. Blackie's kind of a weirdo now. Of course he is, but I still want to hear. I want to be somebody. Have you, I think it's on Netflix. Have you seen The Mean Man with Chris Holmes? Not yet. It's a documentary. Oh man, it makes, well one, it makes Chris Holmes look, I mean he's a complete, he's like awesome.

01:23:56.440 --> 01:24:26.260
Like what? Yeah. Yeah. But it also makes black. You look like a complete narcissistic. Jack hole. I'm sure he is. Probably. But I also think Chris is so gone. Who knows? I mean, it sounds like he forgot how to play guitar. Oh, yeah. It's yeah. That bad. And the lyrics like beyond cringeworthy. There's this.

01:24:26.460 --> 01:24:54.840
- There's one video that he did, and it was when he first kind of came back, and he had two songs that came out, and one of them, and I watched the video because it was on Blight-Renough or something, and it's literally just like him, just like eating ice cream and shit, like he's singing the song and he's just walking around town, and he has no sense of how to present himself, and he's like sitting on the bench, you know, it's a song about how all women lie or something like this, "All girls lie," and they're like, "Eats the ice cream." He literally looks like he couldn't be bothered to make this video.

01:25:00.720 --> 01:25:25.000
That documentary, Will, was his attempt to get an Osbournes type thing going. So it was really put together as a pitch. And then when nobody went for it, he was like, we'll just put it out as a documentary. But now that's stated, and I hope you're excited about this, Trevor, there's a big Wasp celebration of the early Wasp years tour coming. That's what I was talking about. Yeah, that's what he's talking about. Yeah, I know.

01:25:25.040 --> 01:25:53.940
If they stick to that, I know he's even talked about like, yeah, okay, maybe I'll play Animal again, right? After ditching it for years. Yeah. All right. To see that, I want to be somebody, love machine, that kind of stuff. I think that would be worth seeing. Yeah. I'm super excited. I think it's everything up there. Headless Children, at least that's what he's referenced. Right. That's when I stopped listening. Me too. So, all right. Headless Children was great. Yeah. No, no, I meant like through, yeah. Through Headless Children.

01:25:55.060 --> 01:26:24.560
It's funny. We actually talked about doing the song Still Not Black Enough from the album as an Abhoria cover. It was in the pot of songs we considered. It didn't happen, but I thought we could do something kind of cool with it. Nice. All right. So T-shirt and beer check. Let's do that quick. I know Trevor's wearing a T-shirt. You're probably not drinking a beer. That is correct. So what's your T-shirt? Oh, yeah. Sorry. I'm sporting Broken Bones, UK punk band that came from Bones,

01:26:24.640 --> 01:26:28.040
from Discharge.

01:26:29.440 --> 01:26:32.620
They were kind of, yeah, started as kind of like a similar DB punk thing.

01:26:32.670 --> 01:26:33.280
I fucking love them.

01:26:33.290 --> 01:26:37.380
They did a couple of kind of thrash records in the late 80s, early 90s that are cool.

01:26:37.540 --> 01:26:38.120
They're still around.

01:26:38.440 --> 01:26:39.440
I really dig them.

01:26:39.660 --> 01:26:44.660
And another one, they have a song called Decapitated that I want to do as an Abhoria cover if I can get the other dudes.

01:26:45.100 --> 01:26:45.280
Nice.

01:26:47.060 --> 01:26:48.040
All right, Marc Hassan.

01:26:49.820 --> 01:26:51.520
I'm wearing a Cobalt shirt.

01:26:53.320 --> 01:27:22.600
Those guys are from Colorado too, right? Yeah, I think so. Guy? Yeah. Guy, yeah. God, we need a new Cobalt album. We do, we really do. Yeah, the last one's so good. What's cool though is because I was in Hawaii for two and a half years and so I had left, I have like hundreds of metal shirts. So I left most of them here. So I haven't seen them in years. I come back, went to the storage and unloaded it and it's like I have all new shirts.

01:27:22.720 --> 01:27:25.640
And this is one of them. I think Slow Forever is probably

01:27:26.480 --> 01:27:29.220
like a premonition of like when the next album's coming.

01:27:30.060 --> 01:27:31.200
Yeah, pretty much.

01:27:32.920 --> 01:27:39.800
So and then I'm drinking a beer from Old Irving Brewery, which is right around the corner from me.

01:27:40.360 --> 01:27:41.760
I never had any of their beers.

01:27:42.560 --> 01:27:46.620
It's like five minute walk and their beers are phenomenal.

01:27:47.120 --> 01:27:49.640
And their food is actually phenomenal as well.

01:27:50.120 --> 01:27:52.580
And this one's called Dark Incantation.

01:27:52.640 --> 01:28:22.440
It's a coffee imperial stout with this Colombian coffee from a Hexay coffee company that's here in Chicago. It's got a pretty cool label. So I want to try the coffee because this beer is so good. I like it because sometimes I get the imperial stouts and they're too sweet. But this one's really well balanced. It's coffee forward. I like that. But now I am drinking the pterodactyl death scream from Burnt City.

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And this one

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has a cool little thing on the

01:28:27.380 --> 01:28:28.160
side. It says,

01:28:28.700 --> 01:28:30.400
Scraw! Scraw! Scraw!

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Succumb to the terrifying call

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the juiciest of the dinosaurs.

01:28:36.180 --> 01:28:36.940
And it's a

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double dry hop, double IPA.

01:28:41.440 --> 01:28:42.780
Doesn't have a cool label, but

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I mean, it's called Pterodactyl Death Scream.

01:28:45.380 --> 01:28:47.260
I'm actually disappointed given all that

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that there's not like a cool image of it.

01:28:48.800 --> 01:28:49.380
There's this.

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There's the eye of the Pterodactyl.

01:28:52.560 --> 01:29:22.480
The Eye of Sauron or Jurassic Park. Juiced of all the dinosaurs. The juiciest. Which I'll now only think when I think of pterodactyls. Well, it's funny because in Voracious, my first comic book, we didn't do a pterodactyl. We did a Quetzalcoatlus, which is like a pterodactyl, but was the largest flying creature ever on this planet. Just like bigger version of a pterodactyl is the first thing that our lead character ate. Right. I remember it well. All right.

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Matt. Let's see. For sure, I've got a Star Wars sweatshirt on to acting as my Snuggie for the evening. And I've got, what is it? This is a long sleeve from Decibel. I started the night with the Barnaby Golden Lager from Wayfinder. Looks like there's about seven or eight breweries who were brewing in honor of Barnaby Struve. And this is Wayfinder's version. Good stuff.

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And then I was able to nab a bottle of the Hardywood bourbon barrel gingerbread stout. I believe I've seen Metalhead Butler drinking that quite often. Wait, did you get that in Minnesota? I got it through Tavor. Oh, okay. I can get Tavor now. I couldn't get it in Hawaii. Oh, that's exciting. I might have to try that. Can't get anything here except Remy Horn. Yeah, and then also Matt has gloves from

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Tiny Tim from A Christmas Carol. Exactly. God bless us everyone. All right then, John. Sorry about that. So my shirt, old style, enslaved from the 2007 Ruin Tour. Love it. First beer we started out with, Back to Virginia, Hop Slam from Bells, which is always nice to drink a beer I can actually see through. And my second beer that I'm finishing up here,

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I'll have to get a third. Weird. Hardywood gingerbread porter. Oh, nice. That sounds sweet. Oh, it's good. And I don't feel like I've just drank like 14 barrels of beer because those gingerbreads can be heavy. So the porter's kind of nice. It's like I've got more room for a different beer. With you guys, with all the gingerbread stuff. Are you shooting the Christmas episode? Hardywoods, that's their big calling thing at Christmas time. They put out a, how many will would you say?

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There's like four or five different ones. They do Christmas morning. So Hardywood was started by a guy named Patrick Murtaugh and this guy, Eric McKay, I think. And I went to brewing school with Patrick and they came up. I remember this because he, Patrick said like, Hey, we're going to make a gingerbread style beer. And he sent an email out to all the classmates. Like, Hey, have you guys ever made this? And then Hardywood in St. Richmond, Virginia. Yep. They, they made this,

01:31:52.340 --> 01:31:56.540
Christmas beer and on Beer Advocate, they got a hundred point, like a perfect score.

01:31:57.020 --> 01:32:00.540
They got a perfect score for us and it blew the fuck up.

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Yeah.

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And then so they started making it every year, mass producing it even more because it used to be one of those, what they call white whales, where it was like this hard to find beer.

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You can only get it in Virginia.

01:32:11.660 --> 01:32:13.320
You can only, there's only so much of it.

01:32:13.750 --> 01:32:15.500
Half the time you had to go down to Richmond to get it.

01:32:15.780 --> 01:32:15.940
Yeah.

01:32:16.530 --> 01:32:17.720
And then, yeah.

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So now, now they mass produce it on a bigger scale.

01:32:23.460 --> 01:32:51.360
and they do a whole bunch of different variants of it, like different barrel aging, Kentucky bourbon barrels or whatever. But it is a great beer. It literally tastes like you're drinking a super high alcohol gingerbread man. Yeah. I think we've had the bourbon barrel aged gingerbread stout at George's during the podcast. I think that was one year at one point the chicken came out. Yes, you brought one that was aged for a couple years.

01:32:51.520 --> 01:33:20.080
It was so good as bad, so bad as good. At one point, Jay just had his look on his face because we just went off on this weird tangent. He's just like, what the fuck? It was so funny. I don't think I was on for that. I think I aged that for three or four years. It was a while. It was great.

01:33:21.520 --> 01:33:51.480
That's what I got. John, are you growing your hair long? It looks longer to me. It's always beautiful. I think you should grow it out. You have just an amazing head of hair. John, I literally Googled Will Ferro and Zoolander. What I noticed more was your chin beard. It got gray, yeah. Well, it's all gray, but it got bigger. It seemed like it got bigger. I was like, oh, you're starting to look like Will Ferro.

01:33:51.520 --> 01:33:53.740
and I looked it up like oh yeah

01:33:55.220 --> 01:33:57.320
my hair used to be down like

01:33:57.780 --> 01:34:01.780
halfway down to my ass I used to have it that long but wow me too when I had it

01:34:03.380 --> 01:34:07.780
yeah see it's long so now it looks gray so when I get it cut short then it looks a little browner

01:34:07.820 --> 01:34:17.260
I have a few months to play with then it gets gray again I keep my hair marine corps length because all the grays at the bottom so if I cut it all off

01:34:17.280 --> 01:34:45.980
You got the Reed Richards going. Yeah, I look at least a year and a half younger. If I grow it, it gets real wavy. Then you get the Billy Connolly thing going on. It's real bad. It's really bad. I can't do anything. It probably looks amazing, though. Then one day it gets long. I'm like, I could do this for a while now. I can like this. Then I got tired of dealing with that shit all day long.

01:34:47.280 --> 01:35:17.180
It gets old after a while. Screw all you people with hair. But here's the thing. Sit in the blow dryer for 10 minutes in the morning like, what the fuck am I doing? I haven't used a blow dryer in like 30 years. Put your sweatpants on. Let it down, Trevor. If I don't blow dry my hair, it goes out. Really? Yeah, it gets really wild and then you can't control it. I'm just down to the landing strip now. Have we gotten to Will?

01:35:18.540 --> 01:35:46.260
And John, you've been here the whole time, right under my nose. It's true. He does have the best hair, though, really. Yeah, he does. John has the best hair on the podcast by far. You know why? Anyways, Trevor has like an hour and a half now. Yeah, so I'm like, let's move it along, people. Last podcast, I'm wearing a Temple of Wood long sleeve shirt, and I'm glad that it's black because I look like I'm on the cover of a Queen album. Floating head.

01:35:47.300 --> 01:36:17.200
I was drinking. It was courtesy of my dear, dear, dear friend, Matt Stewart, who gave me a surly darkness. What year? I don't even know. What's the monster? I don't know. It's that one. Okay, cool. I think it's the barrel aged. This is the barrel aged. The first package I ever got at this house was from Matt.

01:36:17.260 --> 01:36:47.240
Matt had Legos in it. I had some unicorn rainbow macaroni and cheese and some beer. And you got yourself a weekend in Vegas there, man. All you need is some hand lotion. Anyway, it was, it was, and I messaged Matt after that. I'm like, dude, this is awesome. And my, and my son William was like, Oh my God, look at the Legos at this house. And I'm like freaking out about the beer. So I wanted to have a beer.

01:36:47.260 --> 01:36:52.720
I saved them and I want to drink one on this podcast so thank you Matt I really

01:36:52.930 --> 01:36:59.740
appreciate it you are a super dear friend awesome human being and I love you more than George does

01:37:00.640 --> 01:37:06.320
and likewise and likewise I just want I wanted that little no for everybody and the nice thing about

01:37:06.500 --> 01:37:10.301
Legos and mac and cheese is it covers up the sound of swishing beer when you're at the UPS store

01:37:14.940 --> 01:37:40.260
It was phenomenally perfect. So anyway, that's what I was drinking. So go ahead. Jay. Jay, I hate to burst your bowl. It wasn't a weekend in Vegas. It was a weekend in Bailey's Crossroads. So we all know what that means. Well, do you know where that quote comes from too, though? Yeah. Weekend in Vegas is from Dr. Strangelove when they're going through their emergency packs. It's like, what do you got here? $4.

01:37:40.300 --> 01:38:10.260
or 500 rubles. Rubles ain't worth shit now. No. They've never been worth anything. Yeah. So I'm just drinking water out of a very faded A's cup because I'm really hoping baseball season starts at time. Kind of like their seasons, huh? Yeah. Everyone's season right now. All I see is canceled all over my app. There you go. Persona. Roll it then. Jay, I'm going to predict that that album is in your top five.

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for the 2020s.

01:38:15.040 --> 01:38:15.920
It's going to challenge.

01:38:16.460 --> 01:38:17.020
You know, it was funny.

01:38:17.050 --> 01:38:18.560
I was thinking we should rethink.

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The 2010.

01:38:20.480 --> 01:38:21.880
Like our five favorite metal bands.

01:38:22.300 --> 01:38:24.160
That's just something we should do on a regular basis.

01:38:24.290 --> 01:38:27.140
I know, or not regular, but five, like your five favorite metal records.

01:38:27.340 --> 01:38:32.240
Because like I was thinking, you know how like, not five favorite, but the best of.

01:38:32.240 --> 01:38:35.660
And what I mean is like, you know how like a bunch of us like Disguidless Endeavor.

01:38:36.940 --> 01:38:39.280
That's one that's like really stayed with me through the years.

01:38:39.340 --> 01:39:09.320
And I've decided that last slugged record, that's in my Hall of Fame. You know what I mean? And there are other records. Anyway, we need to talk about our Hall of Fame. What were your top five inductees into the Hall of Fame? That'd be a good one. Yeah, exactly. And it would... Well, you know, we've talked about having a Hall of Fame on the podcast and like induct, you know, inducting them at some interval. I know, I remember. George, how many conversations have you and I had separately about this? A lot. A hundred. And we haven't been able to come up

01:39:09.340 --> 01:39:38.960
with a like, well, does like one person put an album? Do we all vote? And like, you know, I came up with a killer name for that. Well, we'll talk about that later. Heavy metal hall of honor. I think it was, but you know, it's not, it's just that number of the beast can't come out again. You know what I mean? But there are, there have been records in the last, ever since then that I think are, you know, on a similar, I still want to do it. Yeah. We'll figure it out. We'll, we'll get it figured out. Just for the record.

01:39:39.360 --> 01:40:09.040
I think I'm slowly creeping more into the peace of mind. Shit, yeah. From where? Yeah. From Number of the Bees. Really? Oh, yeah. Die with your boots on the Trooper and Flight of the Icarus. Still life. Yeah, Die with your boots on is my favorite. Peace of Mind is amazing. No, Peace of Mind is great. Well, you know, it's funny. Well, two things about that. One is I used to say Master Puppets was, I thought, the greatest metal record of all time, followed by Number of the Bees. Those have changed places for me,

01:40:09.360 --> 01:40:38.960
I love Number of the Beast first, but I still think there's probably not a better record than Number of the Beast. And also, I listen to this. Have you ever heard Rain and Blood? Have you ever heard Abhoria? Fair enough. Have you ever heard Abhoria, yeah. I swear to God, I listened to Peace of Mind this week, and it made me go watch Dune again. Which, if you haven't watched Dune, fucking watch Dune, dude. Are you talking about the new one? Yeah, that's good. I want to watch it again, because it's so long.

01:40:39.360 --> 01:41:08.880
falling asleep, trying to watch it late at night. And I bought it as soon as it came out. It was even better the second time. And I totally, like, I still have every word from To Tame a Land memorized. And there's a lot of weird fucking words in that song. You know what I mean? And so anyway, it was really cool. Yeah. He's the Chris of Caledown. He was born in California. Fear is the Nine. Can I take the Dom Jabbar. Which is also a Fear Factory album. Yes, it is.

01:41:09.960 --> 01:41:10.920
Fear is the mind killer.

01:41:12.580 --> 01:41:13.900
Oh, fear is the mind killer, right?

01:41:14.860 --> 01:41:15.960
Watch Dune if you haven't.

01:41:16.450 --> 01:41:17.680
Somewhere in there was the answer to that.

01:41:18.000 --> 01:41:19.160
Let's try to get Trevor to the news.

01:41:19.960 --> 01:41:21.360
Well, I still have to go.

01:41:22.340 --> 01:41:22.740
I know.

01:41:23.160 --> 01:41:23.840
That's why I'm saying it.

01:41:23.940 --> 01:41:27.880
So I think, I can't tell because I can't read it, but I think I'm wearing my Mordefarum shirt.

01:41:28.420 --> 01:41:29.600
Yeah, it looks like it.

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Oh, boy.

01:41:31.440 --> 01:41:32.100
Yeah, it looks like it.

01:41:32.550 --> 01:41:36.620
You know, it's interesting because when I talk to Hassan, he's like,

01:41:38.140 --> 01:42:06.540
I say mortiferum and he goes, what does he say? Mortiferum. Mortiferum. That's just wrong. Mortiferum. That sounds like something from the Addams family. I almost feel like he should know because they're playing again at Atlas in the next month or so. Yeah, I can't go. I know. He's wrong. He's wrong. Mortiferum. We're going to find out they don't pronounce the M or something like that. And your mother smells like other babies. Exactly. Mortiferum.

01:42:06.820 --> 01:42:35.520
Oh yeah. I was going to tell you too, Will, my friend, the captain who came out to Decibel is going to be in your neck of the woods. And he was like, I want to go to Atlas Brewing. I was like, Oh, I got to tell. When's it coming? I think it's like early March. I'll find out the dates and that's like next week. Yeah, I know. I know. Maybe it's the second week. March 3rd is high spirits from Chicago. Oh, I'll text him now and find out when he's actually going to be there. I love high spirits.

01:42:36.820 --> 01:43:06.500
William and Evelyn, my kids, really love high spirits. Good stuff. Wednesday night. Yeah. Weeknights are rough. Ain't nobody going to D.C. on a Wednesday night. Not this motherfucker anyway. All right. So, uh, Brimming Horn, Wolves of the Ironwood to start. That's good. Just had that. Yeah. Uh, Idiom Brewing, uh, in Frederick, Maryland, along with a billion other breweries, uh,

01:43:06.820 --> 01:43:33.540
Stabbing Westward, which if one knows, that is a band from the 90s. I have a new album coming out. It sounds great. Cool. And moving on to the little black dress of any beers. Permanent Funeral. Three Floyds. Yes. All right. Now we can move on to the news.

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And this isn't on the script, but I'm ad-libbing it. I'm going to try and keep this really fucking short, but we have to fucking mention. That's easy for you. Well, yes, it is. I'm used to things being short. Except for episodes.

01:44:07.160 --> 01:44:35.040
Now you've sidetracked me because I have to... We talk about how long albums are and how long episodes are. No, but you could fit like... Move along. Move along. These are not the dicks you're looking for. Yes. You could fit 10 Reign and Bloods in one of our episodes, okay? Just keep that in mind. I'm extremely well aware. 47 Grand Corps albums can fit in one new segment. Yes. So we can't bitch about things being long.

01:44:35.280 --> 01:45:04.380
Except, well, because, ouch. But in all seriousness, the world is completely fucked up right now. What's going on in Ukraine? What the fuck? You know, I don't want to go down a really long path, but, you know, Putin's a fucker. We know this. We've mentioned that. D. Snyder agrees. A pig fucker.

01:45:04.880 --> 01:45:34.400
Yeah. And I just got to say, you know, I think it's really, I think that this president, uh, Zalinski guy, if he doesn't get martyred first, is going to be like the next, like Winston Churchill because of the shit that he's saying and doing. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm really doing all the right things. He is man. Um, I, I actually, I'm, I'm forgot I was going to do this. I wrote down something that he said, and it reminded me of, of the Churchill. I made.

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Yes, we will defend our island. And this is what he said. He said, I am here. We are not putting down arms. We will be defending our country because our weapon is truth. And our truth is that this is our land, our country, our children, and we will defend all this. Wow. You know, the dude is like, has been offered to leave, you know, be evacuated by the U.S.

01:46:08.180 --> 01:46:34.120
And they're not pussing out, man. They are fighting. And I swear to God I thought I was going to wake up this morning and hear that Kiev had fallen. And it didn't. The motherfucker held. So fucking kudos to them. And fuck Putin. And the rest of the world, I don't care if they're in NATO or not, the rest of the world needs to fucking sit up and fucking help these people.

01:46:34.900 --> 01:47:04.040
Yeah, I agree. So that's what I got to say. So Evelyn had a basketball game today, my daughter. And there was a late addition to her team. This girl, Susanna, who has played on her team in years past. Well, Susanna has not been on the team the last two years because she was living in Ukraine because her father is one of the defense attachés in Ukraine.

01:47:04.900 --> 01:47:34.860
And so they got evacuated. The two girls and the mom got evacuated and they were living here in our neighborhood again. And then Peter got evacuated. And so I saw him today and I wanted to chat with him for a while because he's literally been in the front lines of Ukraine for like years. And just so people don't forget, like, this

01:47:34.880 --> 01:47:39.040
conflict in Ukraine has been going on for the last eight years.

01:47:39.600 --> 01:47:40.640
Like this is not new.

01:47:41.100 --> 01:47:41.180
No.

01:47:42.520 --> 01:47:42.920
Actually,

01:47:43.100 --> 01:47:43.900
to be more accurate,

01:47:44.120 --> 01:47:47.140
it's really been going on since the iron cream came down.

01:47:47.320 --> 01:47:47.500
I mean,

01:47:47.580 --> 01:47:51.060
like Putin has never been okay with the fact that things fell apart.

01:47:51.440 --> 01:47:51.680
Yeah.

01:47:51.720 --> 01:47:51.820
Yeah.

01:47:52.060 --> 01:47:52.140
Well,

01:47:52.180 --> 01:47:52.340
I mean,

01:47:52.700 --> 01:47:54.840
but specifically Russian,

01:47:55.100 --> 01:47:58.100
Russian occupation of Ukraine has been going on since 2014.

01:47:58.920 --> 01:47:59.100
Anyway,

01:47:59.680 --> 01:48:02.640
he was at the basketball game for like a hot second and then like,

01:48:02.760 --> 01:48:03.140
oh shit,

01:48:03.160 --> 01:48:03.960
I got to go into work.

01:48:04.620 --> 01:48:04.700
You know,

01:48:04.820 --> 01:48:11.160
It was bittersweet to see him

01:48:11.200 --> 01:48:12.220
because I've known him for years

01:48:13.100 --> 01:48:15.260
and they've been living in Ukraine

01:48:15.440 --> 01:48:21.460
and by the way, his daughter had a sweet swish two-pointer today

01:48:22.500 --> 01:48:24.320
It was sweet, it was awesome

01:48:24.960 --> 01:48:30.461
Anyway, this whole thing super bums me out

01:48:30.460 --> 01:49:00.440
But we talked about having a Ukraine-centric episode with John BT, with Sergei, and my buddy Louie, who is a National Geographic war correspondent who spent a lot of time in eastern Ukraine. Doesn't he have a documentary about it actually coming out? No, he does. He was trying to get a Vulcan to do a song for it, and then I was trying to negotiate that, and it kind of fell apart. But yes, he has a documentary coming out. He's done documentaries for...

01:49:00.460 --> 01:49:27.080
in Kandahar and stuff. He's a phenomenal photographer, phenomenal human being, metalhead through and through. Yeah, I met him through Will. By the way, he's almost at every Atlas show. Yeah, I met him at Atlas through Will, and I was just sort of like, oh, this guy's cool. I'll friend up with him. And then I'm like on Facebook looking at all his stuff, and I'm like, dude, this guy is fucking, he's somebody. He's amazing. So way to go, Louis.

01:49:28.720 --> 01:49:58.061
I would like to add two cents to it too just because Sergei is a dear friend of mine and he's a bass player in my band he's a Ukrainian export he moved here expat well no export though he is an expat now I didn't want to call him an expat because this country is being attacked right now and he is a fucking patriot and so I know I know that's not what that word means but he you know he tells me stories from time to time and he grew up in

01:49:58.060 --> 01:50:25.420
the Soviet times ended. He's only been in America for, I don't know, maybe eight or ten years. He is a full-fledged American citizen now, which still speaks terrible English in the best kind of way. And he has these parties at his house where it'll be like all of the expats from Ukraine, Belarus, by the way, all love each other, some Russians. You know, these are all just people who are at the bottom of the food chain. They're not the Putins and the shot callers, obviously.

01:50:25.520 --> 01:50:54.960
Yeah, we can't say fuck Russia because it's not Russia, it's Putin. There's a lot of great people in Russia, a lot of great Russians. I'll tell you this. This is a Hitler single bullet theory. You kill Putin, this is all done. It is. Or a Stalin one because that's how he rules. He's Stalin. He's never going to be Stalin, though. Nobody can let him get to be Stalin. Hitler died and World War II is over. You kill Putin, this is all done. I agree. But I think the only thing I'll say about it is that,

01:50:55.060 --> 01:51:24.120
And so from time to time, both Sergei and his wife, their moms will fly over. And so I've met their mothers and then they fly home. They're both in Ukraine right now. They go home from time to time. Nah, I guess I kind of don't want to talk about it that way. We'll see if he comes on, but I'll just say he has a wonderful circle of friends and I really, he's a stoic.

01:51:25.500 --> 01:51:54.500
guy and I can't imagine what he's going through right now. Let's put it that way. Except to say we're getting together tomorrow. You're going to get through a case of beer. This is how he deals. This is how Serge deals with me on a constant situation. We have this new drummer who's playing with us. And I can never remember this poor fucker's name for some reason. It's Gabriel, but I keep calling him Gavin. And so I texted both him and we haven't played since Omicron.

01:51:54.600 --> 01:52:21.080
And I was like, hey, maybe we should start again. Plus, I just kind of wanted to see Sergei. And they're like, yeah, cool. So we're going to play tomorrow afternoon. And I said, sorry, it's been, you know, that we took a little break, Gavin. And, and correct. And this was a text thread. And Sergei texted the text thread and said, it's Gabriel, goddammit. You know what I mean? Like, I keep getting it wrong. And then about five minutes later, he sent me a list of Alzheimer's.

01:52:24.600 --> 01:52:54.400
support things in your area, colon. Anyway, I can't imagine what him and his family are going to do. And all I can say is that it's just at the bottom of all this stuff is human beings that are just like you and me. And I can't imagine filling my car up right now with as much as I could get in just so I could go and get across some fucking country line. Fuck Putin, fuck Putin. Yeah, well, you know, what's one of the things among many that's really,

01:52:54.600 --> 01:53:18.240
is that there are expats that they're interviewing or just referencing that are going back to help defend. They're like, I don't even live in Ukraine anymore. I'm going back to defend my country because this is my country. And it's like, holy shit, the bravery and the backbone of these people is, I applaud it.

01:53:18.840 --> 01:53:48.500
I'll send you a surrogate. It is, you know, like totally on the outside of Ukraine. So he has a, you saw it. Okay. Good. A place to donate for, for help and stuff. And yeah. Yeah. I, I think that's, that's a good thing to do. And maybe we should post that on our site. I think we should. If you want to go ahead and do it, dude, it was one option to send F35 fires over there. Is the ghost of Ukraine real?

01:53:49.620 --> 01:54:18.740
I don't know what that means. There's this fighter ace over there and people are not saying if it's a legend yet or not. There's some guy they're calling the ghost of Ukraine and apparently he's like shooting the shit out of the fucking Russian airplanes. Yeah. And like people are talking about it. It's like I think it's a real thing. I mean, he's a real fighter pilot, but he's just apparently some he's like some ace out there just kicking ass. And Kiev is holding Georgia right there. While we've been here, there was a CNN update that said there was a large explosion in Kiev.

01:54:19.280 --> 01:54:20.100
So, yeah.

01:54:21.880 --> 01:54:22.140
All right.

01:54:22.260 --> 01:54:24.840
Well, I will extend the invitation for

01:54:25.020 --> 01:54:25.580
Sergey to come.

01:54:25.680 --> 01:54:26.460
He is kind of stoked.

01:54:26.780 --> 01:54:28.140
I don't know if they'll want to talk about it, but.

01:54:28.480 --> 01:54:28.620
Right.

01:54:28.900 --> 01:54:28.980
Yeah.

01:54:29.320 --> 01:54:32.120
Well, well, well, he also might love to.

01:54:32.340 --> 01:54:32.720
I don't know.

01:54:33.120 --> 01:54:33.780
Let's hope so.

01:54:34.240 --> 01:54:35.620
I'd love to do something on that.

01:54:36.300 --> 01:54:37.540
Would he make love to?

01:54:38.240 --> 01:54:38.520
What?

01:54:39.380 --> 01:54:40.060
And we just, we all.

01:54:40.080 --> 01:54:42.380
Hey, what happens at Valken stays at Valken, man.

01:54:42.700 --> 01:54:44.580
We all just want him to say hamburger.

01:54:45.120 --> 01:54:45.520
Hamburger.

01:54:46.920 --> 01:54:48.020
He does say some good words.

01:54:48.060 --> 01:55:14.120
So good. I was lucky. And so was Matt lucky enough to meet Sergey. Absolutely. Absolutely. All right. Well, let's move on to some, well, I can't say it's less depressing because the first one, a news item is that a Y and T front man, Dave Manichetti was diagnosed with prostate cancer as a, as a rather at least semi large Y and T fan. Notice they weren't on the list, Trevor.

01:55:16.240 --> 01:55:18.040
I could not name a Y&T.

01:55:18.100 --> 01:55:18.420
They're not.

01:55:18.760 --> 01:55:18.980
They're not.

01:55:19.340 --> 01:55:21.880
Their first five albums are not even remotely close to here.

01:55:21.920 --> 01:55:23.000
They're not pretty enough for me.

01:55:23.600 --> 01:55:23.700
Yeah.

01:55:23.800 --> 01:55:24.860
I don't even know who they are.

01:55:25.460 --> 01:55:26.440
You ever heard of Y&T?

01:55:26.880 --> 01:55:27.100
No.

01:55:27.740 --> 01:55:28.420
Yesterday and tomorrow?

01:55:29.400 --> 01:55:29.500
Yeah.

01:55:29.860 --> 01:55:33.740
When George put it on this list, though, I did look up the band and listen to the tunes,

01:55:33.820 --> 01:55:34.760
and they were pretty fun.

01:55:35.300 --> 01:55:35.520
Yeah.

01:55:36.020 --> 01:55:37.120
But never heard of them.

01:55:37.240 --> 01:55:37.940
Wait, wait, wait.

01:55:38.240 --> 01:55:39.800
Which tunes did you listen to?

01:55:40.180 --> 01:55:40.840
I don't remember them.

01:55:41.140 --> 01:55:42.400
See, I love the thing.

01:55:42.600 --> 01:55:43.340
I don't remember the name.

01:55:44.800 --> 01:55:45.120
Stop.

01:55:45.360 --> 01:56:14.040
If you listen to Summertime Girls, I guess it's fun, then we gotta stop the conversation. Hey, I like that song. I did. I listened to that one, but I listened to other ones, too. God damn it. That's what came up, John. I don't know anything about them. That's the problem. I will say this, John. I won't stand behind that song, but there are good songs on that record. That's the problem. Yes. Anyway. Black Tiger. Masters of Slaves is on that record. There's a bunch of cool stuff on there. He has, George, he has prostate cancer, yes.

01:56:16.220 --> 01:56:44.880
Yeah, that's something that can be cured, right? Well, I don't know. Ask Frank Zappa. If you catch it early. Right. He says he's that guy. He said he's in a position where his doctor is like 90% of people come through this. George, I feel like you saw him recently at that M3. M3, yeah, didn't you? Yeah, I did. He still sounds amazing live. Oh, yeah, they were great. He's well in his 60s and still can just crank on stage. Yeah.

01:56:47.480 --> 01:57:14.440
They hold a special spot because they're from the Bay Area and I grew up with them. They were huge. He still lives here in Redwood City. He never left. They do a couple shows a year here either at the Fillmore or sometimes out in Cotati for some reason. Yeah. Mean Streak's an awesome album also. Earthshaker's great. They got that Defenders of the Faith kind of artwork. They really do.

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Yeah, for sure. All right. So MDF, which we have said we are going to. So if you're going to MDF, let us know. We will drink beers with you or, you know, not beers if you don't drink them, but we'll hang out. But MDF has lost Morbid Angel and a few other bands, but gained Deicide and Immolation, which to me, fair trade. Oh, it's more than a fair. Well, Deicide is going to perform their Legion album in its entirety,

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which is pretty cool. It is. Both of the Edison lot which we're doing and Love Emolation's Amazing

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Live and their new record which we're going to talk about later is great. Yes. So I'm happy for this because we lost Morbid Angel and there was a bunch of other bands. I mean Blaze of Perdition I think was one of them but they weren't at Edison lot either so it didn't matter. Right. Right. Because we don't have we only have Edison tickets so. I think it's a rare occasion where the replacement acts are actually better than the original lineup.

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Yeah. For sure. I'm just sad Danger Danger and Trickster aren't on there, but. They'll be at M3, I'm sure. Still time. They're at the pre-show, Trevor. Still time for Immolation to pull out so that Danger Danger can get on that bill. Yeah. I don't think that'll go too well at the Edison lot. It'd be kind of funny, though, to do it but, like, not announce it and then just, like, boom, here they are. Ryan breaks out at the Edison lot. Yeah.

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This last one we sort of already covered is that Dave Grohl recorded a metal album to accompany Studio 666, the horror movie that the Foo Fighters put out, which I want to see this movie. I mean, I'm sure it's probably hokey as shit, but it's got to be pretty funny. And I'm a big fan of Dave Grohl. Yeah, you know, the song that I heard, I mean, it wasn't bad. I'll take it over Justin Bieber or a lot of other things.

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So, you know, I want to hear the rest of this. I like the ProBot album. My only comment on him, I liked the color and the shape. I thought that was great. And then the first one. I like most of the Foo. I just think he's just so ubiquitous now, man. I just, I kind of might have had enough Dave Grohl. But, you know, given how little guitar there is in popular music this day, today, these days, whatever, you know, at least we have a little bit of representation.

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Okay. You know, there's a, there's to, to your point, Jay, there's, there's a point of overexposure. It's just, there's H.P.O. specials. I think Jamie, Jamie Jost in the metal world got like that. Corey Taylor in the metal world got like that. There's a couple of guys who are just like Scott Ian probably got like that. Oh, but, but, but, but the music isn't as good. It just isn't. I'm glad that he's, he's doing something different. I mean, he's very talented clearly, but the color and the shape is easily their best and most memorable.

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record and they haven't really come close to matching that yeah i i'm willing to admit i kind of like

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obsessively listen to that for a while like when it came out great great a lot of great records i think the

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last couple are forgettable but i thought i thought wasting light was fantastic and that was good

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like that was like a return to form a little bit yeah for sure yeah i think the thing i'm kind of with

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you though on dave girl like he's just at first i was kind of envious because i'm like this is a guy

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who's in a position to do whatever he wants. And it's kind of amazing. Like, I would love to be able to do that to a level where he can, I want to make a country record. I want to make a metal record knowing it's going to be successful and you have the money to do it right. You can get all your favorite heroes on there. That's cool. But now it's like overkill. It's every day there's something else that he's got his face on. My wife saw the Shauna Nas at Hollywood Bowl open for some like grease sing-along and he drummed with the Shauna Nas.

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There's a point where it's too much. It's too much. Well, in addition to that, there's like an HBO documentary about their one record. They're doing this movie about this record. He's in some fucking, there's some wireless commercial. He's in that. We're over-grilled. We're over-grilled. Over-grilled. All that stated, I think he's a pretty cool, nice guy. And at least he's on the right side of the fence. I think so. And he was the drummer in Nirvana, which is like one of my all-time favorite bands. That's the only time I've seen him. Who would have thought that? Was with Nirvana.

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To go back to that moment when Nirvana was around, who would imagine that most of Dave Grohl's vast empire of money would not have come from that? You know what I mean? That this many years on, he made such a success out of himself. Yeah, I know. When the first food came out, I was like, oh, this is not on nowhere. Yeah, I know. It sounded like just kind of a little bit of a clone that was going to fade quick. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, but the thing of it is, it's kind of like rock for the masses. There's not really something for me to grab onto. And that's fine.

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Do whatever you want to do. I'm happy you're successful. You deserve that. But I just I I'm not into the stuff that he's doing except for maybe Queens of the Stonehenge was a long time ago. Probot 20 years ago. Like I like those projects, but that was a long time ago. All right. Well, let's move on to new releases.

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We have a number, so let's try to keep it. I know this was, this is probably the biggest one ever. First up, we have the new amorphous album, Halo. This is their 15th album and holy shit, do they still have some fucking gas in the tank? What was that? Oh yes, yes, yes. That's awesome. That's right. Well, that was not, well, that was like subliminal because I just listened to that album.

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I was telling John, I'm like, you know, this is like sort of, I mean, it's not really melodic death metal, but it's melodic with harsh vocals. This is not really my thing these days, but damn, I like it anyway. I don't care. Songs are really memorable on it. I mean, I'm a huge amorphous fan, but I wasn't sure what to expect on this record because I

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I loved Under the Red Cloud in 2015, but I was not into Queen of Time at all. That record did not even make my top 25, which is surprising because Amorphous almost always makes my top 25. They're almost a shoe-in for the top 25. But Halo defends the queen because it's incredible. It's like by far to me the best of the last trilogy of albums. And I think it's like one of my all-time favorite Amorphous

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which is saying a lot i've played it at least 20 times that's great dude i you know i put i just back

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up on that mark so under the red cloud was in my top possibly three that year i'll have to go look um queen of time

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didn't chart with me and i think this is has everything that under the red cloud had i i love the new one

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i think it was great and a little more i would say a little more than that too there's a couple songs though on

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And under the red cloud, there's this one called The Skull. Fuck, it's so fucking good. But I'll match them up, and I'll just say there's no way this won't be on my list this year. Yeah, I can't imagine that. Yeah. So I have to make one comment here because I feel like I'm the weird outsider. You are part of the family, dude. I think it's a really solid record. I really liked it, but I was kind of like, it sounds like an amorphous record. Nothing on it stuck with me. And funny, I loved Queen

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of Time. I thought it was great. Underlight Cloud's also good, but I thought it just felt like, yep, this is kind of the record I expected. Not bad, really solid, but I've seen so many people like, album of the year, greatest thing ever, and I was just like, that didn't come through to me. I was like, yeah, it's better than most of the records I've heard recently, but... You've convinced me to revisit Queen of Time. I think I do need to rethink Queen of Time. I did that, and I did that, and I appreciated

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a little bit more because I feel like this new one takes the best elements of the newer amorphous and just nails it like perfectly on this new record so like Queen of Time was almost like almost more experimental to me you know there was there's things that just didn't quite work for me but everything seems very cohesive on the new album and and the riffs and the songs are just really memorable to me yeah it's a good one yeah yeah

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All right, so this next album, it's got a funny character in it. It's A-R, and it's the Scandinavian D with a line through it, which I'm told by my new friend Derek Weston is pronounced T-H. So the band is called Arth. A-R, squiggly D, Arth.

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I did not know that okay well this makes sense because if you recall there was a band what was the name John uh hem hem for ham for ham for ham for ham for yeah and they ended the I'm sorry I was gonna say it was a singer of barren earth and of uh yoten yeah and that ends in one of these squiggly dts things as well so th makes sense so thank you Derek arth hopefully uh hopefully uh that's correct because we'll just wait

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But the first album is called Take Up My Bones. This is a UK doom band that features Mark from Winterfelleth, Mark Deeks. And he's the keyboard player, piano, and like vocalist, not like main vocalist, but he does like these choir vocals on this Arth album that are just fucking phenomenal.

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Hey, this is George. I'm sitting here editing this episode right now, and I realized that what I just said, there's a disconnect between what I was meaning and what I actually said. And in terms of art, Mark is the main singer. What I meant was that he wasn't the main singer of Winterfelleth. Carry on.

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Like this is one of my like favorite new albums right now. Um, because it's so, I mean, it's not that different. It's, you know, it's a kind of doomy album, but it's like with this like monk chant vocal thing that just, it's just different. Yeah. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. It's majestic. It has that Gregorian chant, like chorus stuff to it. It's that stunning really. Um, I like that.

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texture on the album. It has a fragility to the album that moves me that I didn't expect when I put it on. And then I also kind of feel a little bit smarter when I listen to it because it explores this historical. Yes, it does. It's all about the whole North Umbrian St. Cuthbert, whoever that was, who lived in like, I don't know, 634, 630s AD, I think they said. So I was like, man, now I need to find out more about what the

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was about.

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So I like all that.

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I like that he puts so much into this record.

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And then there's like these different levels and textures that you can keep unwrapping as you listen to it.

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Plus, it's just gorgeous.

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It is.

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All I'm going to say is we'll probably talk about this a little more next episode.

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Next up, Cult of Luna, The Long Road North, their eighth album, Swedish what?

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Post-metal, John?

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Did you call it that?

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Yeah, I think they probably started out with Atmospheric Sludge, Hardcore Sound, the first two albums, and then Atmospheric Sludge. And yes, they're post-metal. It's just easy to go with that. Sure. So I used to, like back in the days of like Vertical, I was fucking huge cult of Luna fan. And, you know, not for any good reason. I've sort of drifted away over the years just because my attention was elsewhere. But this album,

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like brought me back in a big bad way i fucking love this album so you know okay i have one

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comment about this record and it's and it's it has no quality to it at all all i mean just say this band

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cranks albums out man they do every every year we're talking about a cult of you not luna album well

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actually it's only been the last couple of years like at least the last three possibly four last three

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releases have come out uh i think the last four years yeah well they do eps that are like lp length yeah

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Yeah, their last EP was 40 minutes. That's because this album's 80 minutes. Right, right, right, right. They are just relentless right now, dude. As far as, you know, being... They've fully taken advantage of COVID without question. Yeah, there you go. Well, how do you feel about it, John? Because I know you wanted to absorb it a little bit more, and you're a huge Cult of Luna fan. Yeah, I've been a fan since... I don't know the exact date, so I'm going to say somewhere between Salvation and somewhere along the highway. So I go way back with them.

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I will say this about them and that was the last show I saw before COVID hit I saw them they are their sound is massive it we say that about a lot of bands until you see them live they are huge I mean just this all-encompassing massive atmospheric sound and they just crank on stage and so you get it right from the very first synthy keyboard sound

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It's just this loud like horn off the keyboard and it just kicks in with the drums and

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for me they have never put out a bad album since Salvation.

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I'm not as I like the first two albums I just don't spend enough time with them but

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I know Markisan you said that you think you like this one better than the last few releases

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and I don't know where I fit with that because the releases are all 80 minutes long.

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They're all too long. I wish they

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There's so much work. I wish they would be shorter because I think if they put out

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a 40-minute record, it would be perfect. Like the EP last year, apparently.

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Yeah, but that one didn't grab me that much like this one does. I don't know what it is, but again,

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like with Amorphous, I feel like it has more memorable tracks on this one.

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I really liked the Julie Christmas collaboration they did, the Mariner record in 2016.

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Mariner's awesome.

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But since then, I haven't been, like I've liked Cult of Luna.

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I haven't really been jazzed about all their stuff until this record.

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It's a little long for me.

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I could cut it down a little bit, but I just think that I feel the energy in this record more than the last one, especially.

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Oh, I thought A Dawn to Fear in 2019 was awesome.

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I thought it was I still don't know if I like this out more than a dawn to fear because that one a dawn to fear came out I was like this is my favorite thing they've released since somewhere along the highway they had me at the uh at the very first song with the like deep v-ger star trek fucking synth I was like they're telling you they're coming yeah yeah I was like oh and they don't do it just once no they do it twice just like I'm gonna

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and beat you over the head with this and then the drums come in and then yeah i mean if you if you like post-metal

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they're rhythmic will usually tells us when he's coming to if you're gonna notice that

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we all get a text so yeah did anybody get that feature reference come on it's it's great and if you're a fan of the band there's plenty to like from different eras of this band i firmly believe they haven't put out a bad album ever so no i i would definitely agree with that

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I just they're a little bit long I think if they tighten it up a little bit and I don't know about this kind of aggressiveness then I would you know there's a lot of people say like you're too aggressive you're too long and I need to tighten shit up yep yeah you need a body is what you know cuddling is nice once in a while well weird floating head so yeah so I've seen Trevor nodding a lot to this stuff so I'm guessing you have an opinion on cuddling no I really don't I actually did

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not check it out. I've never really listened to Cold Luna, honestly. But when I saw this list, I checked it out, and I was like, ooh, I need to go back to this. So that's all I have to add on this one. I think John and I have a lot of things that we like. Probably. CDs. So the fact that he's, well, CDs for sure. I've got a shitload of vinyl too. You just can't see it, right? Mine is all off to the left. It's all off to the side. But hearing him talk about how much he likes it, I'm like, okay, I need to dive into this catalog, and I have a feeling I will be very

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So I would say if you do, you have to be patient because everyone has mentioned that their albums are super fucking long. They're very post, I don't want to say rock because they're a metal band, but they get very post rocky where they'll drag parts out and it'll be very atmospheric. And that's that I'm kind of touch and go with that. I do have a bit of riff ADD, so we'll see what happens. But yeah, but but they they bring heavy fucking riffs. So.

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I mean, I would say post-metal is a genre that I'm more fond of than other genres, and I would attribute a lot of that to Cult of Luna. And it would be not Salvation Jam, but the other album you mentioned. Somewhere Along the Highway. Somewhere Along the Highway. Fucking awesome. I also really got into the ocean, and I love the ocean. Ocean's awesome too. But there's something about Cult of Luna that draws me a little bit more to them. And I would agree that I really love this new release. Well, they're fucking heavier for one thing. I mean, they are.

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A little bit more raw, but I would agree. I have just general ADD with music. I also have zero fucking memory. So after about 20 minutes, I can't remember anything. So yeah, when you're talking 80 minutes, I mean, it's difficult to get 80 minutes to listen to just music in general, let alone one album. But podcasts, it's no problem. No, fuck, 10 hours, we're in. By the way, I'm sorry, Matt, I was going to say real quick, George is right, Vertical is fucking awesome from them from early 2013.

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I think it's amazing.

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Yeah.

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All right, let's move on to Corpse Grinders self-titled solo album.

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I, you know, obviously the singer from Cannibal Corpse, produced by Jamie Josta.

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You know, yeah, Will, Will has given a thumbs down.

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You want to, you want to talk about this a little bit?

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As the, probably the premier resident on the podcast of Cannibal Corpse fandom, I mean, it's Corpse Grinder. He's one of my favorite vocalists in death metal. You know, there's aspects of this album that, you know, I don't want it to be Cannibal Corpse, but I want it to be Cannibal Corpse.

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Right. You know, it's like, it's like you want Bruce Dickinson's solo albums to be Iron Maiden, but you don't want to be Iron Maiden. So it's like this, this weird thing. But like, I, I feel like because Jamie Josta, he did this with Dee Snider. He did this, uh, there was another famous person he did this shit with, and he makes it sound too much like hate breathe, like too much hardcore. Yes. Yes. Yes. So like mid-level or like mid-tier Sepultura at times.

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It just sounds like this generic metal by numbers. That's the best way to describe it. It sounds like a metal by numbers kind of thing. It was one of the best death metal vocalists in the world. It's not terrible, but it's not great either. I don't hate it, but I don't love it. Yeah, I get that. It's fine. It's a fist pumper. It gets your blood going, but it's exactly what you'd expect. I think the best part of it,

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for me is the cover. Seeing Corpse Grinder as a demon carcass crushing badass is absolutely adorable. Yeah, it is. Adorbs. Adorbs. Totes adorbs. Hashtag adorbs. All right, well then let's move on to a different death metal album and that is the new Immolation album, Act of God, their 11th album. Now I know we have differing opinions on this one. So, will Death

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Why don't you tell us what you think? I liked Atonement better, the last album better. This one seems... I mean, it's immolation. I like it. I should say, it's immolation. I love it. However, I felt that, and I've listened to this album a lot. This one is almost on my phone that I can play on the Sonos system here, and I've listened to it a lot, almost as much

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is the new Aporia. But, you know, it's one of those things like all the songs just kind of run together. And I felt like on Atonement, there was more of a, there was bigger riffs that made the individual songs more distinctive. And you knew like, oh, this song is coming on. And you knew because of that riff, where this one is sort of like, you know, it's a long album. I don't know. It was like 12 or 13.

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songs on it, whatever it is. And it's like, it sounds a lot the same throughout, but what I hear, I love, I just wish it was a little bit more like, I always harken back to like death, like death leprosy. Like you knew every single one of those songs, like from a riff, you know, like I know this song, I know this is pull the plug. This is leprosy. This is open casket because the riff, the riff told you what it was.

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where I feel like this album, it's like you, there's not enough distinction between the songs that you can say like, oh, this is this song for what it's worth. That's my opinion. Based on your opinion. I love it. It's immolation. I love immolation. It sounds awesome. I just wish, I want more riffs. I want more distinction between the songs. That's it. I like it. I thought Atonement did that.

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Here's what I will say. And this is maybe the difference in our perspectives, Will, because I've always liked Immolation, but I don't know that I've been a diehard. But man, once I heard the promo, I was completely hot for Teacher. Like, I am in love with this album. And maybe some of it was seeing them live in Philly. Ross's hair is beautiful. I mean, let's not skip it. Not as good as John's. John's hair is a contender. Yes. Ross Dolan has phenomenal hair.

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Oh my God. And I, you know, I love their total, like DIY attitude that they have. And again, I'm, I'm looking at all factors. And so, Will, you're taking a much more technical approach and you, I mean, you have been a, probably a deeper fan of immolation than I have over time. And so I'm probably a little bit, you know, green or wet behind the ears, as they say, really loving this album, regardless, loving this album, um, playing it a lot. Good shit.

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So I equate this to incantation because I like Profane Nexus more than, so I liked. You're the guy that says I like their old stuff better. It's one of those things like immolation is going to make my year-end list no matter what because it's immolation. The last record was somebody's number one. Was it yours, Will? It was my number one. It was yours. That was before I was actually on the cast, but I think I told you guys about that.

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Ja, aber nicht.

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I think so. I think everyone had it somewhere between like two, three, four, five. Between one and 25. And then John J ate it. Yeah. Fucking asshole. Of course. That guy is good hair, but not a good guy. My point being is that I liked. This hair allows me to do that. Yeah, yeah. Well, I agree. Well, I agree with you in some aspects because I do feel like the songs are different enough in it. It's a more aggressive record than a tome.

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And I like that. I think Immolation is one of the best death metal bands on the planet. 100% agree. 100% agree. They're supplementing that with every album. All their albums are just outstanding. This one's more aggressive. It has the dynamic textures that make them stand out, but I think that the aggression kind of buries that a little bit. So I've been listening to it more and more because you hear that more on Atonement. Atonement had, I guess, different colors.

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Yes, I think you're hitting it right. You're articulating it way better than I am because you're more articulate than I am. You're Markisan. And it was at that point that the whole podcast turned into Mars Attacks. I agree. I like Atonement.

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because it had more colors to it but i like that they followed it up with this had time changes i had slow points it had like i just felt like it had riffs and memorable moments where this one is brutal start to finish and i love that about it but i i don't feel like the connection to the individual songs it's just like right brutality throughout i think atonement is a real high point but i like that they came back with a more aggressive record and didn't try to do the same thing it is a little long

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Like the Cult of Luna.

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Yes.

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Record.

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Like, Will.

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Was it like 50 minutes?

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How long is it?

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It's a fucking EP for Cult of Luna.

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Oh, it's true.

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If it's longer than Rain of Blood, it's too long for me.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Well, let's move on then.

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We're doing a time probably terribly.

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Yes.

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Yes, we are.

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So hopefully this next one will be relatively quick.

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That is the new Napalm Death EP.

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Resentment is Always Seismic, A Final Throw of Throws, which is some, I don't know if it's like leftover tracks or whatever, but it's an addendum to the last Napalm Death album. And it's, you know, not really an EP guy, but I am a Napalm Death dude, so me likey. There's a couple cover songs on there. It's B-Sides covers, unreleased material from their last record.

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Which usually is not great right usually you just put that in there for like a quick money grab but I think this fucking EP slaps. Yeah. It's always great with them though they don't seem to have throwaway stuff and I would you know I made it kind of a derogatory not derogatory but I made a comment about how Albert is always choosing you know like his he's reliving his childhood and that's how he chooses the list for you know Dustful Beer Fest and here but here's what I think I really like to say was he for instance was having Napalm Death coming

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play what two very early records have napalm death come play their last three fucking records dude like they're so fucking good and they're so relevant now and they're so heavy as fuck that that that's what i'd like to see yeah i think the utilitarian apex predator throws like just boom boom boom they've been so good not that this stuff before wasn't but it has just been such an amazing hot streak for them yeah it has and that includes this ep and then i would actually

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including that the rough cuts and rough bits or whatever it was thing that came out of double album that's a similar to this like it's fucking great so anyway i like this i love this a lot their last album the throws uh was my favorite of theirs by far it's not close for me for for any of them i love that last record so it's cool to have these b-sides i might put apex predator above it might but they're both wonderful you know it's funny i was listening to i hadn't listened to head cage in a while

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I put that on recently, Pig Destroyer, which I forgot. I was going to say, that's Pig Destroyer, dude. And I forgot how fucking good that was. I want those two to tour together. They are touring. Right now? Yeah. And so when they're in my town, Sunless is going to open for them. What? That's a great show. I don't know the string of dates or anything like that, but yeah. I'm about to find out. It's funny you're saying that, Jack, because I was like, Napalm Death and Pig Destroyer? Like, this can't be real. You're going to have to, Matt, that is such a good show.

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You're gonna have to wear full-fingered gloves for it. Dude, it's like, how many bags of ice am I gonna need for my crotch after this show? All the bags of ice. Oh my god. All the animal bags of ice. All the animal bags of ice, yes. That's crazy, dude. I can't believe that you just fucking, that was your answer to my fucking dream. Right? Just blue-faced face off. I'll make it happen. All right. Just another reason to believe that the Matrix is real. Yeah. Jay, put a wish out. You want a morphosite?

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You got it.

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I literally got it back.

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Yeah.

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Put the wish out there in the atmosphere and Matt the fucking genie.

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Great.

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You want Foo Fighters Stadium?

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You got it.

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Well, that was going to happen.

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Yeah.

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But you want Motley Crue and it?

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You want it?

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You got it.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Okay.

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And there is a Berkeley date.

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Fucking A, dude.

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So.

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I'm so happy.

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Next up we have.

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Welcome to the internet, Jay.

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Next up. We have Pike versus the Automaton, self-titled album from Matt Pike of High on Fire and Sleep. I know Jay likes it. We know that. You don't have to mention that because that's later. You could say it's almost a High on Fire record, but it isn't. It really kind of isn't. I mean, it's obviously Mike Pike all over the place.

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Yeah, I fucking dig the fuck out of it. It's heavy as fuck. It's got a lot of different little moods on it. It's definitely more High on Fire than Sleep. Yeah, for sure. Oh, yeah, by a long shot. Yeah. And speaking of favorite recent albums, I love High on Fire from the get-go, but I honestly think their last record was their best one. It was really good. Yeah, Electric Messiah was so fucking good. You know I love High on Fire a lot. He's in a hot place right now.

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Who? Let me. Let me. Yeah, I really like this Pike versus the Automaton. But it's odd. Sometimes it sounds exactly like High on Fire. In fact, the beginning really does. Like the first half of the album is like very, and then in the middle, it kind of wanders. It's like Matt Pike just like fucking around with something different and experimenting. So the record, it doesn't quite feel cohesive, but I find that it's always interesting throughout.

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I like that I don't mind like if you're gonna do a solo record don't do something you've done before just try and do something different because it's almost like there's like country in there and it's just it's it's it gets all over the place all right it's good next up we have Klaus Mein and the Scorpions of course Jay leaves right now Rock Believer the 19th album I'm Arnold Schwarzenegger and you're listening to

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The Metal Heads Podcast. Close enough. Same difference. That's like Canadian and American. Yeah. Oh, boy. Oh, wow. Somewhere Joel is like, fuck you. I mean, really? Is there that much of a difference except for an accent? And they're nicer? And healthcare? Well, yeah, that's what I'm doing in surgery. Did you guys see the commercial where he was Zeus?

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Yes, that was awesome. From the Super Bowl. I don't watch the Super Bowl, but I saw the commercial. It was really good. It was pretty good. It was him and Salma Hayek? Yep. Right? As his wife, and he's on Earth, and he's... Recharging things? Yeah, recharging. It was great. It was one of the best commercials I've seen in a while. Anyway, Rock Believer, the new album from the Scorpions. As I was telling Jay, I don't know if it was this morning or yesterday. I think it was this morning.

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It's been a long day living in Reseda.

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When you whispered in his ear when you heard the big spoon.

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Yeah, yesterday.

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Okay.

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You know, I like the Scorpions and, you know, they're old as hell.

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But they're still putting out music.

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Some of them are 73 years old.

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Exactly.

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What?

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Yes.

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But honestly.

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They're about 73.

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They're no Rolling Stones.

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No, they're better.

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They're obviously German.

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Keith Richards will be alive.

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He's like, what?

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He's like 140 or something. Yes. And he still looks like he's 40. Like he's 170. Yeah. You know, Rock Believer is not going to probably make my year-end list or anything like that, but it's the Scorpions, man. It's fun. It's like you listen to it and you're like, yeah, you know, you can bang your head and you can just enjoy it. And that's all you need from a Scorpions album, so I'm happy with it. I thought the same thing, and I picked up like the Japanese

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with like six bonus tracks full thing even the b-sides are good like and you're right it's not going to break any it's not this like monumental piece of art but the fact that they've been doing it for 57 years and it's that good is like yeah 1965 they first got together yeah i mean it's like uh acdc like the last acdc album power up which was amazing yeah it was pretty good these guys are old as fucking dirt and it was great yeah i don't make relevant music which is

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I almost made Saxon Carpe Dia on my album of the month. Speaking of bands, I've been plugging away forever. We were talking about that. That's a good record. There's a band who's changed it up over the years. Okay, that was sarcasm. Yeah, I love Saxon. Don't get me wrong, I love them. I'm just saying, there's a band that's... Although their last few have been really good. Denim! And leather! The Eagles Landed is one of my favorite live records ever. Oh, God, it's so good. So the Scorpions,

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So,

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not to trash his brother. Yeah, of course. All right. So I think I'm going to be the cheese standing alone on this one. But the next album is the new Voivod album, Synchro Anarchy, their 15th album. And holy shit. George, I'm really proud of you, by the way. I like it. I know. I said it right. I said it right. Voivod. Not Voivod. I like it. It's good. I got it. It's a great album. I've only listened to the single

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I think it was the self-titled. Planet Eaters. I watched it last night. I was like, holy shit, this is fucking awesome. I want to get the deluxe edition, so I got to pick that double disc. But yeah, it's great. Thank you. Because, you know, Voivod's had a long... I did it there. Voivod. Yeah, you slept. Voivod has had a long journey. You know, the early days were good. The middle days were all right. The later days were not.

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Not so good. And they've been slowly making their way back. And this is like, wow, this should have come out, I don't know, either after Outer Limits. Yeah. Maybe. You know, it's funny. So I try to listen to this record. I can't get into it. But I know how much you love them, George. Absolutely love them. I've gone back and listened because I've never really listened to them. Listen to Nothing Face. That is my all-time favorite. I'm getting to there.

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I listen to the entire discography. I don't like the new album that much. It's mostly the singing. I like the music. The singing I don't like. You gotta get he's it's like it's like when you first drink a beer you're like ooh beer that's fucking bitter and that's Snake Man and you just have to get used to it. All right I'll try it again but but there's two LPs in the catalog I really like. You just mentioned one of them. Nothing Face and Angel Rat. Yes Angel Rat is awesome. It's different. A lot of

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People Hated It's a great album. Love it. And you know what's interesting about that too? It's weird because when I'm listening to them because they were more thrash in the beginning, right? So those are these albums. I don't know what it is about them. I think the singing is a little better on them, but maybe it's the sweet spot transition period where they move from thrash to more of the progressive metal. But I like the quirky kind of killer alt metal vibe to those records. But what is also interesting is that Record Store Day is coming up April

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23rd and those two albums are being released on vinyl so i may pick them up i already have them on vinyl the only two i really like from the entire voivet catalog and i'm sure they cost me a pretty penny too because really nothing face and angel right are the only two you like those are the ones i like well they are really good dimension mattresses it's good too were they oh that's awesome it's when they first brought in the prog with their technical fashion yeah outer limits is unreal how good that album is i bought i bought roar

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Those are the ones that struck me. I got it. I bought Roar on vinyl in 1986. That is a little raw. It is. It is. And I was like, whoa. But I was like, the artwork, the dudes all in leather and spikes. They had a song called Fuck Off and Die and Kill Corgle the Exterminator. And I mean, it was just like, and the artwork that Away does is just, I'm like,

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Whoa. And so that sucked me in. And I was like, yeah, you know, it wasn't the greatest album, but it got better progressively with each album. So Markisan you should, if you like technical thrash, you really should spend some time with killing technology. I mean, it's, that's, I think that's where they really started. I don't know, George, you tell me, I know they really kicked off with that. That was definitely where they, yeah, that's where they started to make their mark. I thought, I don't know what it is.

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I just like I listen to everything and those those two records just really stood out to me there was just that like I said it's like kind of that quirky middle period alt metal I don't know well it's like when piggy was in the band he he turned in he started using all these like jazz chord weird shit and and and and that's where you know people were either like you love Voivod or you Voivod or you hate Voivod and it's because of that

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weird avant jazz shit that he was doing. The Angel record is by far my favorite. And that was the most accessible album they had, I would say. That's their controversial album of that period. That's my favorite by far. But it's catchy as fuck. Do you think that one step though, George? I don't even think they're jazz chords. I think they're just piggy chords. I don't know what the fuck they're doing. That's a good point, Jay. George, you had a weird ear. I'm one of the weird people that

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I know I agree they are a band either you love or hate I'm actually I'm the reverse bell curve guy I actually like them I don't like everything by them but the albums I like I love but then there's albums by them like whatever they're very different the albums are very different and I think they're very unique for sure yeah so I think this one Harkins has a little bit of the the mix of older and new in it because there is definitely a more technical thrash bit to this but

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But it's still catchy, though. The first time I heard this, and I've listened to it a bunch now, the first time I heard it, I was like, I mean, like almost in tears. I was like, this is so Voivod. I can't help it. So, George, you being super Voivod fan of the podcast, do you feel like this is the first album where their new guitarist has finally, not that he's channeling Piggy, but it's

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It feels like it's now not the new guitarist anymore. Now it feels just like Voivod. For a while, he was like, oh, it's cool. You know, he's not Piggy. I feel like on this album. No, he he nobody even mentioned he picked up right away like Target Earth. I was like, wow, he did. I was like, is Piggy not dead? You know, I was like, damn. But I feel like no one's mentioning Piggy anymore. Not that that's any disrespect. I think now it's just Voivod. He's got what they're saying now about the band. Yeah. I mean, and in a

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I can see that.

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It's like, oh man, this dude's totally...

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I heard something recently, and I don't know if it's true or not, but that I...

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I forget his name.

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I don't know if anybody knows his name, but

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the new guitar player guy,

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Chewy is his nickname, I know.

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Chewy is his nickname, yeah.

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I can't remember his real name.

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I feel like he might have been like

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Piggy's Guitar Tech or something like that.

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There's some connection.

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And I was like, oh, so that would make total sense why he's got the style and knows the shit. What band was he in, though? That was a technical thrash band, though, too. He was in another band. I don't know. But all I know is I'm glad to have Voivod back and they fucking bang. Yeah, it's good. I like him. It's going to be a lister absolutely positively. George, would you say Bang Tango? Bang Tango, yeah.

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Yes, my favorite band from the 80s. Bingo! Danger, danger! Hey George, he was in Martyr. Okay. Yeah, you've heard of them, haven't you? Nope. What? I like to do every band. Well, of course I do, John. Well, you found the one. Second to last new release, the new first album from the band called Wait, which is We Are In Transit. The album is called The End of Noise.

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They're from Baltimore. They're a prog death band featuring members from Exist. And what was the death tribute band? Death to All. I'm going to let John talk about this one. I think this is a phenomenal album because, wait, what? It also reminds me of Voivod. Yeah. So, yeah, Max Phelps and Alex Webster from Exist. Like you said, Max was part of Death

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to all which is the death tribute and i think will you've seen him a couple times with them

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because i know you've talked about his performance um he also was in uh cynic for a while as the

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second guitarist when sick um i don't know they ever broke up but they got back together so he was part of

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that i fucking love this album i mean this is not for everyone i'll tell you that right now um but i'm a super

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I've been a fan of this. I've been a fan. So I knew exists when their album is the sunlight came out in 2013. I might have the name or I have to look. I feel bad because I don't remember, but I haven't listened to it as much. And then I kind of forgot about them, even though I liked the album a lot. And then George says, Hey, you might like this album. This is band exists. And I was like, God, I feel like I know this band from somewhere when we got the promo way early for their so true, so bound or so bound, so true album. And I'm a super fan of these guys. I love everything they do.

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This is a really good album.

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Yeah.

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It's technical.

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It's weird.

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People are saying this is gent because of the guitar tones on it.

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But it's, yeah.

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I mean, you know, can it have the boing kind of sound that gent has in some parts?

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But it's not even remotely close to that.

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This ain't no Meshuggah, bitch.

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No, it's not.

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There's actually a lot of fusion in this.

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I wouldn't say jazz, but it's fusion, which fusion is jazz.

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But there are moments in here that are very fusion-like.

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It's killer. I love it. And it's one of the albums that I'm struggling with for my album of the month. I've got a few. Well, February is like the greatest fucking month ever in the history of the podcast. I know. How could it not fucking be a warrior? But, you know. I would honestly say that this is one of my final three albums for album of the month. So I won't waste any more time because I know we've got to get moving, but I love it. All right. We have one. I have not spent a lot of time with this album yet, so I'm going to have to put more into it. You're going to have to wait.

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Wait, wait, wait, you never had a chance to love it. White Lion, really? Yeah. That is one of the greatest guitar solos ever. Fight me on it. It's amazing. No, no, no, he was a great guitar player. Andy Timmons. Yeah, Vito Brada. Wait, who is Andy Timmons with? Who did Andy Timmons play with? I don't know. He's the bass player. Is that their bass player? Will's trying to talk and we can't hear.

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He's like that Homer Simpson. He gets so tired. He's just slowly his head falling into the back. Receding to the darkness. He's going to be on the dust jacket of a book. Like Will's biography. It'll be him just kind of off in the dark. All this black and just his head. It's creepy. I took pictures of it where it's just his head. He's talking to us but he didn't realize that.

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I think he's on the phone now I don't know who he's talking about. George go ahead. All right so our last new release is the new Zeal and Ardor album it's their third album from this Swiss slash New York avant-garde band you know the Zeal and Ardor made a lot of headlines with the first album because it mixed black metal with like bluesy

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and like slave

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song type stuff, slave

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chanting, gospel type stuff.

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And I dug that.

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The second album came out and I was

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kind of like, yeah, whatever this is,

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what do you call it?

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It's just a

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gimmick, you know, whatever.

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The new album came out and

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just on a whim

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I said, I'm going to listen to this album

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and holy

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shit.

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Do I Love This Album? This Album is so good. You're going to hear about this album later. Sorry, I just rejoined the podcast. You're talking about Adele's album, 30? Yes. Yes. Zeal and Ardor, Adele 30. Right behind you, Will. When I used to listen to Chuck and Godless, I feel like this was Godless. Like Zeal and Ardor was Godless's main thing. And I think that was the first album. Yeah. I mean, the first album was amazing.

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Yeah. And it totally like, and the way that he described it was like, hey, you described it and exactly what it was, which totally intrigued me to check it out. And like you're saying, George, like the next album was like, well, cool. But like, man, this third album, this, this is good shit. Is this stuff even metal? It is. It totally is. It, I mean. I always feel like Zill and Ardor is like, like one of these like mixed. Oh, it is mixed. Genre. It is. I feel like it adds metal.

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I don't care what you say.

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Fuck you.

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That's an overkill reference, by the way.

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I have bowel moments, and that doesn't mean it's metal.

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You have bowel moments?

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Dude, I mean, there's definitely a lot of like...

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I think it's more metal than this shit.

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No, no.

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Yeah, that's from the Alexandria water, though.

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Oh, yeah, that's true, yeah.

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You know, I know I'm going to be a man on an island with Matt on this one.

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Man on a silver island.

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And hey.

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They opened for Opeth and Macedon.

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You got worse places to be than hanging out with Matt on an island, let me tell you.

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True that.

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But this album, I cannot stop listening to this album because it's got like this blue.

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It sounds like Gaga.

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Okay, we got it.

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I love blues music. I do. And the whole gospel choir thing combined. They added a new element here. Before it was just sort of like blues and black metal. Somebody explain to me how this is even remotely. There's tons of metal on this thing, dude. He even speaks German. He's like... That makes it great. Scheisse! But... And then he goes into the... But there's this new nine-inch nails element.

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to it. It's like this industrial vibe that's been added to this and it all merges so seamlessly that I'm just like, I didn't even think I was going to like it. And the first time I heard it, I lost my mind. Do you like this more than the last Madonna or Adela album? Of course I do. So I'm going to totally change topics. Thank you. I was talking to my kids for like 10 minutes and I came back to

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I am being disappointed because that's not a tour, Matt. I've been sitting here researching it. What that is, is the North American Brewers Conference and Pig Destroyer and Napalm Death are playing Three Floyds. Okay, thanks for completely changing the subject, Jay. I know that there are dates. It's either Minneapolis or St. Paul. Wait, wait, is it in April? Because then it's Dark Lord Day. Yes, exactly. That's what it is. That's probably what it is. It's Dark Lord Day.

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It has nothing to do unless the Brewers Conference is also in Chicago. They're playing Dark Lord Day. Yeah. So, George, I'm Chicago rules. That's called the North Craft Brewers Conference. That's what it is. But where is the conference? In my pants. It's in the ball. Rick, are you saying a lot of people? There's room for all, believe me. Oh, my God. I love that scene. Are you saying you have a party in your pants?

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Yes.

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George, I'm glad that this hit you like it is.

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I'm not a fan.

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I respect the creativity and the different things they're doing, but I'm glad you like them.

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It blows my mind.

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I just saw them in November.

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It wasn't jiving for me.

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I can see why people like them, so that's cool.

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It's so original.

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There's nothing like this.

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It's definitely different

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And obviously something that's completely different isn't always good

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But in this case, I feel it is because

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It's like when when it's metal i'm like

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Banging and when it's not i'm like

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You know i'm grooving it's it's like it's catchy as shit

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There's no doubt no one's doing that so

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Yeah, I don't know

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Cool trevor you have any thoughts on this if you listen to this

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No, I did check it out and i'm kind of in the john camp where

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I super respect what they're doing and it doesn't sound like anything else and I love that they throw everything in there and do whatever but at the same time I'm like this is probably not something I'm going to listen to regularly but I absolutely respect it I mean that's right I'm super into weird mashing of genres and stuff so but this one for whatever reason it just didn't hit me that hard but yeah I think it's amazing what they're doing it's no winger it's no winger exactly well nothing is thankfully

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I thought Winger had a prog album. Is that true? Their later records are very proggy. No, I'm serious. I'm very serious about that. Karma and I forget the other are very proggy records. Yeah, they got pretty progressive. They went from she's only 17 to she's only 19. You know, it's funny. Okay. As much shit as they take for that song. It is like on a grand scale of things for what bands were doing in the 70s. Oh, yeah. And 80s compared to that song. Way mature.

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that were committing those crimes.

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Oh, exactly, right.

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Anyone thinking about it probably wasn't doing it.

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I think it didn't, something like it was Duff McKagan or Slash,

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somebody had to apologize for one of the Guns N' Roses song, which was, oh, what's all this?

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One in a Million?

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Oh, yeah, that one.

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It's so easy.

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It's so easy.

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Oh, yeah, it's so easy.

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Oh, yeah.

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When you're trying to please me, baby, yeah.

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Turn around, bitch, because, yeah, blah, blah, blah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Which is funny, because WAP was on national television and everyone loved it.

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Yeah. Go figure. And I thought that song was just a love song between me and George. Well, of course. Because I'm so easy. I mean, y'all know that. Y'all know that. You don't need to even tell me that. Remember who the big spoon is going to be in MDF, buddy. Yeah. Not me. This guy. Not me. Yeah. If you like easy cheese, do not get easy cheese at Aldi.

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It sucks. Only get easy cheese at the real easy cheese. This is like Say Cheese. When you get it at Aldi, this is garbage. I just feel like we're going to see Will pass out on a floor with cheese whizz all over his face and in his underwear. That's going to be next episode. As long as he's listening to the Aboria record, I approve. Oh, dude. Hey, Will, I'm going to have to come over and rescue you in two hours.

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This has no nitrous oxide.

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Alright.

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I hope you can clip that out. I want to pleasure you guys with something.

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Bill's such a cheese dick.

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Alright, sorry.

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Alright, we're gonna move on to what we're listening to.

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And we're going to start with Trevor.

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So as you know, I do not have the, I don't know, it's a special skill you guys have for going out and finding all this new music. I don't have it. Between writing and everything else, I tend to go to things that are familiar. But so the last like three weeks, I've been listening to Tony Martin era, Black Sabbath, Old Scorpions, because I was getting ready for Rock Believer. And that's pretty much it. Those have been like the main things. Oh, and actually an esoteric warfare by Mayhem. I've been like obsessed with that record lately.

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So that's been on my playlist, but like nothing new and exciting. What, uh, what old scorpions? Honestly, everything, but, uh, let's see my real favorites lately. I actually kind of rediscovered face the heat, which was better than I remember it being. Um, I honestly love lonesome crow. It's like super psychedelic and weird. I think it's fantastic. Uh, virgin killer is probably my favorite from the Uli era and, um, you know, can never go wrong.

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I always between Blackout and Animal Magnetism of my like favorite of all time. Blackout's awesome. I love Blackout. They're both just phenomenal and they don't get old. Every time I put them on I'm like this is still fucking great. Hey Trevor with the new album I actually heard a little bit of Blackout creeping in on the new album in a few songs. Yeah and there's one I don't know any names of them yet. There's one that really reminded me of like China White a little bit. Yeah. And cool about Mayhem because they're going on tour with Watain which I think I'm going to have to see that one.

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Not cool.

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How is Mayhem not

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like canceled?

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Like every bag is canceled.

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Well, Watain is

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totally canceled.

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Watain is, I feel like, yeah,

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worse if not.

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I know.

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I'm like,

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What did Watain do?

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Oh, no, no, no, no.

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They've got a lot of bad connections.

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Oh, no.

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And I mean, Mayhem's not

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that much better.

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Hellhammer has made many a quote

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that makes me not want to wear

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an Arcturus shirt

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even though I have one

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just because

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it's, I mean,

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it gets down to that whole debate, the art versus the artist thing, right? And I struggle with it, too. I just, I don't know what it says about me. Sometimes I just choose to ignore that part. Yeah, that's me with, like, because I don't agree with what they're saying. But I still like dissection. Yeah, so it's hard. Yeah, it's like, yeah, my God, like, the older music is good, but they hate the military, so fuck them. Right, so it's like, yeah, it's hard, and that's where I wish, you know, it's funny, not to bring it back to me,

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and my band specifically, but that's one of the things I told the guys too. I just don't want anything political or whatever else when we're talking about the band because I don't want that to be part of it. I have views. I have very strong views about a lot of things. This isn't the place. You like the United States military, right? Of course. Both grandparents were in the military. My grandfather was a colonel. I'm not a fan of war, but I absolutely support the military. There are different things. All right, good. Thank you.

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If you said anything different, I would gouge out your eyes and skull fuck you. Which you might like. Old Will is back. So you're going to be the new I-Gore. I-Gore. Wow, I haven't heard Old Will in a while. Nice. I like it. See these early shows bring out the... I know, I know. I'm still awake. It's amazing. The thrash metal record is where you're going to say some stuff. It's the closest I'll get to that, but even then it's not like... I don't know.

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It's not overt. I'm not going to come out and do something. I love Napalm Death and I love that that's who they are and they own it and that's cool, but it's just not something I need to do. I don't know how I got in this thread. I was just saying, I don't like when musicians, sometimes I wish they would just shut the hell up about everything else but music. Unlike this podcast who is very much pro-Ukrainian. Oh, absolutely. I'm not ashamed about that one. I mean, I'm sorry. Yeah. All right.

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listening to. Oh, right. Okay. Um, okay. So what am I listening to? I am listening to star one revel in time from inside out records, a new album by composer, uh, Arjun Arjun Arjun Arjun Arjun Arjun Arjun Arjun Arjun Lucason from Arjun and it's a, it's a cinematic progressive record inspired by different movies, uh, that deal with a manipulation of time.

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So it's almost like an opera because it features about a dozen different metal musicians, a few different singers. It feels more like an experience than a record. It's just really fantastic science fiction starship vibe to it. Just great singing from everyone involved and virtuoso musicianship throughout. So I'm really digging it the more I dig into it. That's probably something you're listening to, I bet, John, right?

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Oh, yeah. I have been a fan of Arne's work all the way back to the very first Arian album in 1995. Oh, okay. So definitely. And that's kind of his MO to work with a bunch of people like that. Yes. Yes. He's done it before. Oh, yeah. He's done it many a time. Yes. I've never really listened to his stuff, but I love that record. I really like it. Get with me later. I'll guide you. Big spoon, little spoon. Wait, two big spoons. No, maybe if you like it.

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I really like it.

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And then the next record,

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I kind of been talking about this on our Facebook page

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because other people are into it too

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because I recommend it as the Mountaineer

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giving up the ghost record from Life Force Records.

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I've been a really big fan of this band,

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especially since their last record.

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But this album just takes them up a level.

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I mean, I don't know how to...

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I think we talked about Cult of Luna earlier, right? And they're a great post-metal band. But to me, this Mountaineer record is the post-metal album of the year to beat. You know, it's the record to beat in that category. It's doomy, it's dreamy, it's beautifully layered. It has these uplifting sections to it. I really love the gorgeous vocal harmonies on songs like

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One of them was When the Soul Sleeps and the other one was Twin Flame. And they actually put a lump in my throat when I listened to them because they hit me so hard. I love this record. And this album is just over 30 minutes. So we've been talking about albums that are too long. This album is like right over 30 minutes. So there's no unnecessary indulgences made. There's no space wasted.

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I just think it's like it's the perfect post-metal record that that I would want that I've been looking for and it's right here then the other album I'm listening to is Sarkani Vernal Despair on Mooncatcher Records this is an album I stumbled upon on Bandcamp at the end of January it's sorrowful blackened funeral doom from New York City and it has these really slow

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memorable riffs with a despondent synthesizer and piano parts in it sometimes hey mark is on how do you spell sarconi and i i was wondering that for a reason yeah s-a-r-k-a-n-y okay so why so there's a sarconi district in kunar province in afghanistan which is on the border of pakistan and uh interesting as soon as you said sarconi i'm like oh please tell me they're afghan please tell me

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I don't you know I don't well it's this is from New York City so I don't know where that doesn't mean from yeah but it doesn't mean that sir Connie typically spelled instead of an instead of a why it's an eye okay yeah I don't know I don't know where I think I kind of get the it's um it's on moon catcher records but which is a very small label I kind of figure it's like one guy doing all this stuff but I don't really know because there's not really a lot of reviews or anything on this this album but it's a fucking phenomenal album

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The production is amazing on it. And since it came out, I've been spinning it a lot. In January, it released. So that's a really good sign for the list if I keep playing it over and over, which I have been. So yeah, I love that one. Definitely check it out. I know I put it up on Metal Fridays, but it's easy to miss stuff on there. When there's 50,000 things on there. That's a good thing. Stop georging it. Stop georging it.

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I really like that record so lunar blood is another one I think most of us know about this one is on pulverized records is a death metal album it basically sounds like a filthy garbage truck with an overflowing pile of bodies in the back as it rumbles down the street straight at you that that's that record it's awesome I love it and a great garbage truck that's awesome I love that I love it I really like it I mean we get so many death metal

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There's something about this that I really like. Godless Truth, it's self-titled on Transcending Obscurity Records, which is Trevor's label for one of his bands. I love Transcending Obscurity. I'm on their Facebook page, like a group where you ask to be a part of it, and they send out codes for their albums all the time. I would recommend that if you guys aren't on it.

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Godless Truth is supposed to drop March 4th, but the label released early and they sent out some codes to people who are on this Facebook page. And I listened to it. It's technical death metal. I'm not the biggest fan of technical death metal, but this album is fucking really good. It has big hooks and big melodies that I don't typically expect from a tech death band. And these guys have actually been around for a while, I think since the 90s. And I haven't really heard anything by them. So I don't know.

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if they're doing something a little bit new by adding this kind of melodicism and hooks to their tech death or if it's something they've been doing all along. But I'll probably dig into their back catalog because I think this is just a really exceptional record for tech death. Like I said, it's supposed to drop next week, but if you go to Transcending Obscurity, all the tracks are on there now. Really good. Serpent Omega.

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And the album's called Two. It's from Icons Creating Evil Art Records. Ever heard of that? This was a spontaneous buy for me at Bucket O'Blood, which is in Chicago, my favorite record store. We had Grant on, a great cast that we did with him. And I finally get to come back and shop there. And so usually when I go through all the metal and I try to find something I've never heard, I see the record, I put it on my phone and listen to it a little bit,

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and then I just bought it for 20 bucks. But this is Sludgy Doom War Metal from Sweden. It's their second album. It dropped in 2020. It's got these really heavy, groovy riffs with bombastic black metal vocals. They almost have this kind of like a gutter punk quality to the screams. But then the singer sometimes goes super deep. It's a woman, which I didn't even realize when I first listened to it.

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But her voice goes real deep. And there's one song where she sings traditionally. And just like one passage in a song, and it's beautiful. So I just never heard of this band before. But I'm glad I picked up the LP. It's super compelling. 40 minutes, just high energy, blackened combat poison. And then the last thing that I'm going to mention is, and I believe Will actually mentioned this band earlier,

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for something else, Evokin. I've been doing an Evokin deep dive. So I've actually been listening to this podcast called the Requiem Metal Podcast. I don't know if you guys are familiar with it. Of course. I know. Cool. Yeah, it does this very deep dive on the history and music of metal bands. And the show features interviews with band members and invites other guests to come on to talk about how the band developed their sound and what went into creating specific records.

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And they also play songs from the band's catalog throughout the show, which is, the show is usually about three hours long. It's kind of, it's a long form show like ours. Lightweights. Only three hours. Right. So they get through the news. They break it up though. So they did this two-parter on Evokin, which is one of my all-time favorite bands. And it featured Albert Mudrian from Decibel on guest commentary. So, and they did a two-parter.

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And after listening to that whole discussion and hearing tracks from the record, of course, I had to go back and spin all of the Evokin's Evil Funeral Doom LPs from Embrace the Emptiness to Hypnagogia, which I think it came out in 2018, maybe. So they might be due for a new record. They do take a while to put out records, though. Hypnagogia.

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Listening on all these records on headphones one after another is is it's like plummeting down a 2000 foot crevice in the dark. It's really slow, unrelentingly bleak and absolutely not a trip I would recommend if you're feeling sad about stuff that's going on in Ukraine or just depressed about the world. But I loved doing that deep dive and really getting into into Evoken.

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I love all the records but yeah I mean I'm a huge Evokan fan and I have I had to double check what I was wearing because I have an Evokan long sleeve um I think I do too so they they played Atlas twice now and we've interviewed them we have first time they played because they they played the uh Dustable Metal and Beer Fest pre-show yep and it was it was interesting what struck me when Markisan me you're talking we were like oh this is like super bleak and dark and when you talk to when you actually talk to

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individual members. Super fucking nice guys.

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Like, like, like, they have no depression. I mean, maybe they do. And maybe they're, I don't know.

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But their music is so dark and foreboding. Yeah. I love, I love all their records. Um, my favorite, I, I think I never really picked a favorite of theirs, but I think it's probably antithesis of light, which is from 2005, but I do like all of their records. Quietus, uh, uh, caress of the

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Void, Atremores. So yeah, they're all really good, but they're just really dark. Strap in, is what you're saying. Oh, strap in, yeah. And their albums are long, too. I mean, they're like 70 minutes long or something. They're not called Alona, but they're long. So they're like a quarter to a fifth of a podcast. Oh, yeah. Roughly, roughly. So yeah, that's what I've been listening to. Go, Matt.

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Right on. Nice. Okey doke.

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I actually put this. So the last week has been a bit of a blur with the whole wedding in New Orleans. And I, when I made this list, I even forgot that Trevor was coming on the podcast. So I'm Horia. Holy shit. That album. So good. Cult of Luna. Awesome. Abraham. Debris. Demondis. Badu.

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They are a post-model band from Germany. Love them. Immolation, Acts of God. That is awesome. Also, A Pale December. I believe they're from Italy. Atmospheric Black Metal Band. As well as Absent and Body. They are a Doom post-metal band. The album has not come out yet. A few tracks up on Bandcamp, but they are from Belgium.

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What else? So this band Violet Cold. Yeah. I feel like someone else mentioned it on the New Music Friday. They reminded me that people actually live in Antarctica. I thought that was just all snow, but it is kind of a, how would I describe it? Well, actually on their, on the Bandcamp page, they say Violet Cold is an experimental AI simulated music project from, and then they kind of list the coordinates.

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I would describe them as Azerbaijan. I thought they were from there. They're not from Antarctica. Well, maybe they say that. Maybe. Nobody lives in Antarctica unless you're a scientist. Or Metallica. Okay, good. I feel better about that. War technically says they're from Antarctica. True. War says they're from everywhere, Will. They're from your pants. They're like George Washington. Essentially, it's a one-person project.

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This is their 11th full-length album. They have a ton of shit out. I would describe it as Spacey Shoegaze with Scrimming and Blast Beats. I mean, I wouldn't describe this as something that's going to make my year-end list, but it's cool. And then I got back into Horrendous again. I've listened to State Tentavital. I feel like Horrendous was on the bill when you saw Cult of Linda, John. Oh, no. That was with Warren, our good friend Warren.

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I saw Horrendous open for Aronsi Pazuzu. Man, we are due for a new Horrendous record. That's what it is. They're working on it. Idol is so good, man. All their stuff is good. I love everything. Agreed. Agreed. I like Annaretta a lot. I mean, I like all their stuff. And they're kind of fun guys to interview. They are mushrooms. Yeah. They're fun guys. I see. They're fun.

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All right, John. All right, so I have a George list, believe it or not. What? I don't even have a George list. February is like the greatest month ever since I've been on the podcast. So good. Not that anyone's wondering, but I've been on this podcast since 2015. What? What? I said when I first started. It was not an official member yet. Yeah, well, we're coming up on the, what, 8th anniversary? Yeah, man.

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I mean, I mean, I'm always surprised how long I've been on it. You know, I feel like I just got on it and I've been here three years. I still remember being at Will's house. We had to be really quiet in his kitchen, his old place, talking about he was going to go on for the first time ever onto the Metalheads podcast. He and I were drinking in his kitchen in the dark. It was fun. I'll give you my list. I gave him my 2014 list. He's like, I don't know any of those bands.

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Yeah, no. It's funny. Was George like, we're looking for somebody with exceptional hair? Yes, always. Yeah, next month will be, no, wait, sorry. April will be eight years. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. Damn. I haven't done anything for eight years except, you know. Drink Master, right? Exactly. All right, so my list. I did not say anything about Amorphous when it came up, so I'll do it really quick.

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I love it. I don't know where it fits on my list. I don't know if I like it

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any more or any less than Under a Red Cloud. I would say that

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of the, is it Tommy

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Jostin? Is that his name? I'm probably saying that wrong. I'm sure I'll be corrected

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from any friends we have in Finland.

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How do you say it, Jani?

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Yeah, he will crush me on that, I'm sure. I would say it's definitely one of the better ones since he joined the band in 2005. Eclipse is still my favorite, but it's a very good album. And yes, you get the same thing every album with them since he joined the band, but there's something about this one that's just a little different. They incorporate some old folky moments from the early albums, but then they still have that symphonic stuff from Queen of Time, but not as, because I agree with Jay.

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There's something about it was jay i remember said that he thought it was a little too

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polished a little too slick the last album and i sort of agree but i do have better

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appreciation for it because i didn't go back and listen to it so

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also about the new one john and i mean this too and i think you guys will probably agree if it was

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just the first song it would still be one of the best records the first song is so good

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and they all are but that first song is just addictive and yeah i i get the the critique that every album

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sounds the same, but this is a deeper album. You get six, seven songs in, you're like, man, all these songs are good. And I think that stands the testament of time for the album. It's still not Eclipse or Silent Waters for me, but it's up there. George mentioned earlier, we didn't talk too much about them, but Arth, is that how you say it? Take out my bones? It's a very somber, doomy, it's not orchestral, but it has that kind of feel and structure.

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Yeah.

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But it's not, though.

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It's a patient listen, and you'll be rewarded with a very good listen.

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I think is the best way to describe it.

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And I think, Marcus, you mentioned it was Gregorian.

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It is, but it isn't.

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Right.

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But Gregorian is very bombastic.

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And it's not bombastic by any means at all, which I kind of like.

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It's a little reserved.

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It's like they killed some of the monks and just had a few.

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Yeah.

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No.

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Yeah. And I love, I love Gregorian. I have a couple albums. Their version of hurt is fucking badass. But I like it. It's good. I might need to give it some more time. I like Nine Inch Nails hurt. You're talking? No, no. Yeah. They cover Nine Inch Nails hurt. Yeah. Nice. The Johnny Cash version is really good too. It is. Actually, every version of that song is good. Except for mine. True. Which, which stands for how good of a song. An album that no one's going to bring up that I'll probably bring up is

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This is blood incantation released album yesterday. Oh, shit. Yeah. That's why I wore the shirt. Which is their space ambient. I wouldn't call it dark ambient. It's more space ambient album. It's dark a little bit, but I believe it's the most controversial album of the year. People are absolutely losing their shit. But do you like it, John? Yeah. John, is it black gaze? No. No. Actually, I have not listened to it, and I was wondering if anybody else had. This is totally in John's

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wheelhouse. Me too. I love ambient. Me and John both love ambient. So do I. Yes. So I will say this to people. If you want blood incantation, the death metal band, wait for the next album. Yep. They're doing something different. I don't believe they need to change their name. It's them. They can do whatever the fuck they want. Yeah. If you don't like it, that's cool. You don't have to like it. Well, I mean, Wolves in the Throne Room did this. Thank you. That's on my list. It's on the

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Yes, they did the same thing.

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And they came back with two killer albums after that.

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So, and if you follow the band, if you claim to be such a big fan of the band,

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you'd know that they've been talking about this for years.

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They love it.

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They love space.

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Yes.

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They love space.

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The final frontier.

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Yes.

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Yes, exactly.

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Hey, if you want to look up their, if you want to tag them on Facebook,

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you have to write astral necrosis.

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I mean, fuck yes.

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I want to do a headstone blood incantation. They love space. Did you just say asshole necrosis? I think he did. Astral. But I'm not opposed to your idea, Will. This is what happens when you sit in the dark by yourself. This is what happens when you get together with Will for more than five minutes. Oh, hey, if you last five minutes. Hey, I will rock you. Yes, so Parkinson. Lightning, very, very frightening.

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Oh, Jesus.

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What are you going to say, John?

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So, real quick, Mark, get back to saying, yes, I like this.

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This is very 70s-driven ambient, so if you're a fan of Tangerine Dream, kind of 70s sci-fi ambient, you'll dig it.

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Didn't Clanchard say that, too?

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Yeah, he did.

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Tangerine Dream's been brought up, and yes, there's hints of Lussmorde and Atrium Carceri.

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Yeah, it's a little bit, you know.

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Blade Runner soundtrack.

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Yeah.

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It's not as synthetic in the sound.

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Yeah, for sure.

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So, and quite frankly, I mean, we just, we're going to talk about an album or a band deviated big time here coming up in Thunderdome.

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It's no different.

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So anyway, keep moving on.

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We already talked about Colta Luna.

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Absolutely love it.

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I'm a super fan, as you guys know.

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And I think I'm going to do this at some point, guys.

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I'm sorry to drag this out my part, but at some point I'm going to take all our lists and see what bands.

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show up on our lists every year. Just for fun. Shits and giggles. Even if they don't have an album. Yeah. No. So Colta Luna, Chemist, these bands show up on our lists all the time. So I'm just curious. For me, Colta Luna does. I'm just curious what bands we always throw up on our lists all the time. Sounds good. All right. Moving on. Persephone, Metanoia. They are, I guess, progressive, melodic, death metal band. I'm not a super

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I like their stuff. They're from Andorra. I don't have any bands I know that I like that are from Andorra. Where is Andorra, Will? Andorra is in between Spain and France. It's a contested area. Oh, come on. I was asking for Will, you know. Sorry. It is technically an independent state. It's about the size of my house. Yeah. Kind of like the Vatican and San Marino in Italy. Your house is as big as the Vatican? Oh, that's a pretty big house, dude. Yeah, it is. Vatican's big.

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I think you like some other stuff.

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There's nothing that's blowing my mind, but I like them. They're solid.

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I enjoy it, so I don't know how often I'll go back to it, but it's good.

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You talked about Evokin earlier. Shape of Despair, Return to the Void.

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Yes.

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Fuck.

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That's very good.

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I will say this.

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Will, we can't thank you enough for all the shows that you've done at Atlas. George will reward you with a reach around later. Or even now. Yeah. But Shape of Despair is another band we got at Atlas, which they played hardly anywhere ever in the States. They are a funeral doom, gothy, deathy doom, sometimes a little, not much, but I love it. Pretty funeral.

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a gothic overtone to their sounds. I loved a new album. Hey, guys, I'll just say, you know, it's okay to say, you're welcome. You're a demigod to us, Will. It's all lost because Matt left and Matt's the only one who's going to get that joke. It's Moana, I know. It is Moana, yes. Look, it's only 10 p.m. for us. We got plenty of time.

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I'm moving on.

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I'm moving on.

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I'm moving on.

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Woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo.

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Chicken.

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Anyway.

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Oh, what's the chicken's name?

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Hey, hey.

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Hey, hey.

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Hey, hey.

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Chicken's Despair is a really good record.

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Yeah, it's good.

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And I don't like much Funeral June, but I do like Shave of Despair.

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The album, or the band that I appear to be the only person on the podcast who can say

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this name, which is really saying something, because I can't say shit.

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Soliloquium.

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Soliloquium.

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Soul searching.

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They just dropped a new album. How many times do I have to tell you it's pronounced Saxon, John? Come on. Saxon. Sax off. Death Doom Band has a little bit of a Catatonia vibe. They seem to release an album every couple of years. We all seem to like them, but they, I don't know, I just don't spend enough time with them, but I like this new album a lot. It's their fourth album from Sweden. The guy, I think his name is Stefan. He's on a ton of sites that I'm on, and I've always seen him post and

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stuff all the time so tender not that one uh i don't know if i saw him on there

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singles over 50 silver singles he's definitely not over 50 so okay it's not there either damn it

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all right anyway it's it's a good i might like it uh to get back to Markisan star one revel in time

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uh it is a big old prog metal rock space opera if you don't know who aren't anthony

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It means nothing to you. You wouldn't like it. But he has like a thousand guests on his albums for this. Just this album alone. Joe Lynn Turner, Roy Kahn, Dan Swano, Floor Jansen, Russell Allen, Jeff Soto Scott, Tony Martin, Michael Romeo from Symphony X, Adrian Vandenberg. Anyone remember Vandenberg? Yeah. Anyone? Yeah. He's on there. Absolutely. Yeah. And he was in Whitesnake for a little while. I know. I know. And the superstar.

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Steve Vai is on the album. Wow. Also in Whitesnake. Yeah. I mean, it's a super all-star cast. Brittany Slays from Unleash the Archers, which I really like her singing. Floor Jansen from Nightwish is on there. What's the keyboard? It's Jen's, is it Johannesburg or whatever? He's on there. I mean, he always gets all these amazing guests. Bruce has actually been on an album, on an Arian album before in the past. So. The dude from Symphony X, did you mention that? Yeah. Yeah. There's a guitar. Yeah.

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Yeah, so my issue with the album is it sounds a little too new, Arian, and not Star 1. Star 1 is supposed to be the metal version of Arian, so I'm still working with it. It's good. It's got some catchy tunes. All right, almost done. Will, we're getting to you in a second. Hold on. This is a George-sized list. Good job. I'm pontificating a little too much. All right, so this is the one that caught me by surprise. I hope I say this right.

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Vass, Vass, Kat Sionis is the two names. It's like an Archmethios type name. The album is called Ethical Dilemma. It's a debut progressive metal album from Greece. These guys, I don't know who they are. One guy has been in Firewind and Sirius Black. I don't know these bands, but I've heard of them before. They're power metal bands, but this is the album that harkens back to late 80s, early 90s progressive metal. So if you like Fate's Warning, Queensryche, Dream Theater, and Conception from that period,

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This is right in your wheelhouse. And this is a boner alert for me. Boing. Voivod is cool. I like it. And then the new Wait. I love that album too. Of course. So I'm done. So we're on the wheel now. All right, Will. I'm going to go super fast. Like you usually do. Yep. What were we listening to? Immolation, Acts of God. We already talked about that. Creeping Flesh is the name of the band. Their album is And Then the Bombs Came.

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Mr. Justin Riley.

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Velez.

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Is his last name Velez?

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Velez.

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Yes.

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Velez.

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Yeah.

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He told me about that.

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He's like, why the fuck are you guys not talking about this?

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And then I listened to him, like bought it instantly.

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I like it.

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Why the fuck aren't we talking about this?

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Well, the band name is Creeping Flesh and the name of the album is And Then The Bombs Came.

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So Ukraine.

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Kind of.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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And then Matt Pike versus the automaton was in that the new night hag phantasmal scourge. Oh, yeah. And they're coming to Atlas, I think, in the next couple of months. And then Druid Lorde and their album relics of the dead. And then I just looked into the mega box and I realized there's a whole bunch of shit. I really, really want to listen to like violence and shape despair.

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and like two other ones that I downloaded and they've probably been in there for weeks and I just yes haven't had a computer anyway uh let's don't listen to my album of the episode no no no all right go Jay Jay okay so you know by the time you get down to me and George well less so George than me a lot of what has been listened to has already been said but I um didn't chime into the immolation thing I like

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I like the emulation too and not unlike Matt I'm not necessarily well versed in emulation so I don't have anything to compare this to that tells me something previously was a lot better and I think it's fucking cool so that's a cool record um the Napalm Death EP totally worth people's time George pushed me last night to finally get the scorpions on and listen to it and it's everything he said it was and everything he also also everything that you would expect it not to be it's you know nothing that's gonna change your life but hey I could see your clouds mind saying at the age of 70 whatever yep just look at the

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I think is really good. Probably the thing I've listened to most this month almost chose as my album of the month. And I still might change that, John. You're only locked in and you're not locked in until the 28th. So. Okay, good. Because you know what? I might. But Pike versus the Automaton, which I did choose so far. And then I have, John, I finally kind of caught on to watching more of the Sea of Tranquility stuff that John did.

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I used to watch the ones you sent me. And now I just kind of like browse their channel and stuff and watch stuff. And they did a recent versus. Yeah, it was a versus of Assault Attack by Michael Schenker and Quarters of Power by Gary Moore. And I've owned some Gary Moore stuff from time to time. But just a couple things. And now I'm like stuck in the Gary Moore pit, man. He's a wild frontier, baby. Absolute beast on guitar. Well, the

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I hadn't ever listened to Quarters of Power, which they ran up against the Shanker record, which is a close call. I honestly, I'd say my two favorite guitar players are Shanker and Richie Blackmore. And I swear to God in this time, in the last few weeks when I've been doing this, Gary Moore's right there now. Fuck. He's so good. So good. He's so good, dude. And they can just YouTube best guitar solo ever. And four of them that come up are going to be Gary Moore. You know, this is just things people are calling.

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the bestseller. Fuck this guy. And he has a couple of like 80s. Yeah, Wild Frontier is great, George. I love that album. You know, I never did a Gary Moore deep dive before and now I'm fucked. I hold him right up there with Shanker and Blackmore. And he also just has great songs and stuff. And he has guest vocalists and stuff from time to time. And I have spent a lot of time on Gary Moore lately. Been listening to a lot of guitar players in general, but wow. I'm a Gary Moore disciple now. So lots of Gary Moore listens.

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And I obviously,

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I do like to put the Thunder Gnome albums in.

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So I listened to those both a couple of times this week,

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just to throw that out there.

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Jay,

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it makes me happy to hear another person checks out Pete Pardo's

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YouTube channel because there's so much stuff on there.

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There's plenty for everybody.

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They're tireless,

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man.

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And they do a lot of subject things that I like,

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like they just did one.

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That's I think it just came out and it was the album before the big

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album.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, that was a cool one. And then also the Problem Child thing they did. And then I like the Hudson Valley Squares. And that's usually where they do the verses thing. And they also, they're, I have a very similar musical taste to them. Like I could really have a long conversation with Martin Popoff because. Martin's on there every Friday, yeah. And he's a merciful fate Gary Moore guy and all that stuff, you know, and Shanker and all these guys. But they also understand the newer stuff. I love their stuff, dude. What kind of stuff do you do, George, I think, in the past?

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What is Pete Pardo's deal? Is he a writer or something? I really don't know anything about him. Just do this. Just real quick, not to belabor it. So, Sea of Tranquility started with another person who started years ago was a kind of a prog rock metal site. And Pete started, I think, writing reviews for them. And at some point, he took over a couple of years in and he's been the main, you know, focus of it with a lot of other people joining in since the, God, I'd say he's over 20 years now.

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It's been a web scene, but he started doing a YouTube channel, and his YouTube channel is blown up. I mean, he's put, I don't know how he has time to live his life, because he puts out more content than anyone I've ever seen. It's constant, dude. All different stuff. It's hard rock, it's prog rock, it's fusion, it's jazz, it's metal. He's talking about sticks, you know what I mean? He goes from sticks to blood incantation to like Pat Metheny Group.

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I mean, all in the same conversation.

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And even though I'm not, even though I'm not a sticks guy, that is more who I am, that kind of thing. What he does that. You know, I also should mention since we, since I, we, I was doing my listening to, and I left one out and that was that he gave Carpe Diem a really good review. I am one of the more personally over-versed people in Saxon. I think I really do love Saxon, especially like the first four or five records.

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Oh, I love the first five. Yeah.

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You know, and then I listened to everything else too, and I agree with him. Carpe Diem was really good. I was glad to see him even review it, review it with enthusiasm. I just felt like a familiar company. Yeah, and he's roughly, he's a little older than me, so he grew up with all the same bands we grew up with. Yeah. Well, he writes things a little different than I do sometimes. They also recently did, oh, I think I sent that one to you. They did Speak of the Devil Versus. Oh, that was a good one.

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Yeah, I mean, I don't even agree with half the stuff he says. That's what makes it fun. Yeah, for sure. No, but you don't come away pissed off. You're just sort of like... No, he's a super fan. He's a super fan of music, and that's what makes it fun. So, yeah. So, actually, I'm overdue on that, but I finally fell into that well with you, and I check that regularly to see what's new, and I check out the old stuff that I haven't watched yet. Yeah, he does a thing called In the Proxy on Tuesdays, and it's just like, when that comes out,

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I'm like, oh, here we go. I'm going to find out what I disagree on, you know, which is fun. Which, by the way, as a matter of example, I totally write these Saxon records differently than both him and Martin Popoff. Oh, without question. You know, but at least he chose. Denim Lover is not a bad choice, the first one. No. Whatever. And I don't know if anyone else is a fan of Martin Popoff. George, I think you might be a fan of some of his stuff. A little bit the writer, Martin Popoff. Yeah, no. Yeah, yes. Yes. Yeah.

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He's always an interesting person to listen to because I don't always agree with him, but there's so much enthusiasm coming from him when he talks about stuff that you want to listen even when you don't agree. And then you really want to listen when you do agree. And his book's going to be hitting us too. The Merciful Fate book is good, but he really captures his Merciful Fate right, which was before Melissa, there was Hellbent for Leather. A couple of those were the scary records out there.

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there, you know, and then this came along, and this was for the Progressive Priest film, but he also, one of my favorite books he wrote was the Motorhead book he wrote. Anybody who wants to read a good Motorhead bio should read that. God, that was fucking good. His Rush stuff is pretty good, too. I haven't read any of that, so. It's like 19 volumes long. It's huge. Did you see that big Moving Pictures special? I may have. I mean, the record. Yeah, I don't usually jump on the super deluxe stuff.

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It's a lot so expensive. I mentioned it to Jen and she's like, she looked at me straight in the face and says, we don't have kids. I was like, so she's like, just fucking shut up and buy it. And I went, click. I was tempted. Do you think, okay, so two of the things that I was intrigued by, there's a lot in there, but one was it comes with a red bar chet, which I love. Did you get that one? You got the big, the big thing. I went for the whole, that's the first time I've ever gone,

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All In. Okay. I might do it too then. Die dropped. It's like, it's like, what? 300 and something. It's crazy. Might be 310. There's a 5.1 remix that, I don't need it, but fuck that album. Well, why not have it? Yeah. Also, it's got, it says handwritten lyrics by Neil Peart, which I assume are reproductions. Of course. Okay. All right. I was kind of hoping otherwise. One last thing that's in there that every hardcore Rush

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for that period's been waiting for is the 1981 tour. Full show. No interruptions. It's the whole thing. Of course. Yes. Which is exit stage left. You know, I might buy it, John, just because you did it. God damn it. God, fuck. I have all the boxes from A Farewell to Kings to this point. This looks like the coolest one to you. It's by far the best one. It's way overpriced. I shouldn't have thought.

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I want to say it's 300 and change. But I did it. Fuck yeah, it's moving pictures. Fuck. Yeah. They dropped a new song, by the way, from it, by the way. Vital Signs. They dropped that from the show. Jay, if you're interested. I am interested. It sounds so good. Okay, actually, it's actually 289, so it's not quite as bad as I thought it was. Get a fucking room. Sorry, but you know what? Fucking rush. Shut the fuck up.

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I think I am going to order. It sounds expensive. I am going to write this. It is Markisan. I was just, just real quick. I was just saying, yeah, I don't, I don't do this, but it's Rush. And Jen said, just look, I told you to everyone. I said, just look at me. I said, just fucking buy it. And I just went, literally, she said that I'm pressing click. But you know what? I got the justification. Yeah. Before we move it on to, to George and I really will do it now. I will say this. I'm looking at it again. You get a lot of shit for. It's tons of stuff. I mean, you get a red bar, shit, a car. Yeah. And a shit ton of vinyl, shit ton of CD.

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a kick-ass looking book. It's a 44-page book, too, on top of it. And a reproduction tour program, posters. Yeah, I'm totally fucking buying this right now. Man, I got to take a leak, and you guys just go off the fucking rails. I like how Jay basically convinced himself to buy it. Actually, Markisan Jen convinced Jay to buy it. I was. I had been thinking about it. This is awesome. Anyway, George, what are you listening to? Sorry, George.

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No worries. We're still under five hours. This is pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So surprisingly, most of my short list has not been mentioned. Only one of them has. I had the longest list this time. Oh, yeah. No, I only have one, two, three, four, five. I've never been told I had the longest list. So first up is Abyssis, Death Revival. Oh, yeah, yeah. Second album from a Greek death metal.

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that's very obituary, which I sent to Will. He never responded whether he liked it or not. I figured Will would be all over that. It's very obituary. I liked it. I think the problem was when you compare it to obituary, and then I compare it to obituary, and it's like, well, it's not. It's not obituary. It's not, but it's good. So there you have it. All right. My next album, you also mentioned,

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was Druid Lord, Relics of the Dead, their third album, Florida Death Tomb Band. And I dug this too. It's solid. I like it. Yeah. Then I have a band nobody's mentioned, Pure Wrath, Hymn to the Woeful Hearts, their third album. It's an Indonesian black metal band. It's like a dude, I think. And that's pretty good. I love that one, Jerry. Excellent. Also, I'm Indonesian.

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And a dude. And a dude. And a fucking dude. Not just a dude, a fucking dude. I think it's a dude. I think it's a dude. Hey, we have some Indonesian metal listeners, so fuck yeah to Indonesia. Dude, they're hardcore fans there, man. And it's not a good place to be a metal fan. No, it's not. No, it really isn't. Yeah. Next up is the band Schizophrenia.

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Recollections of the Insanes, their first album, their Belgian death thrash band. I know Matt's into them. Matt shows up every like half an hour. For what it's worthwhile, John, I literally just got up to get my debit card. No, it's my time. This is the Goonies. This is our time. All right. Goonies never say die.

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Except for death. And second to last, Venom Prison, Erebos, fourth album, Me Likey. Nathan Explosion. That too. Stop holding up that Rush album, goddammit. Yeah, I've got that one too, for what it's worth. I thought you didn't like Venom Prison, George. In the past, I have not. They have evolved to a point where I do. I like the last album. I like this one too.

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Oh, maybe they can come and show that. We all evolve in our tastes. It's more death metal-y and less weird, hardcore-y, silly stuff. And there's even a little electronic stuff like in the middle of this one. It's kind of cool. And some plain vocals. Sorry, Will. Matt, how many beers are you in? Four. I like the under the... I'm going to use that for now on. It's even a plain vocal. Sorry, Will. And lastly,

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I've been reading the book and bought tickets. I've been doing a deep dive of The Who, who I'm going to see in May, several days before Maryland Death Fest. George, I'm curious to know your favorites, but go ahead. What? I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut anyone off. George, before you go any further, did you listen to Jay and I about the videos you should watch? I haven't watched them yet, no, but... You need to get on that shit, seriously. I know.

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I know and like live at Leeds I was looking at that going what these are a bunch of fucking like they're not even their songs just fucking bunch of covers and shit but apparently it's really good so I guess I'll listen to it plenty of their own stuff at Leeds yeah what are you talking about it's mostly covers no I wouldn't say it's mostly but you're right there's a bunch on there there's a few but there's only like five songs or six songs no no no no no no the whole thing's been released the whole show's been released okay well yes there's like the I'm talking about the original

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No, no, no, fuck that. Dump that thing immediately. All right. And then you can watch that show that Jay and I were talking about, that thing they did in like 79 in the studio. That thing is off the charts good. No, it's on my to-do list. Yes. Is it the one where Keith Moon goes nuts? No, it's the one where they do the... Is that sarcasm? Because he goes nuts in every one of them. Right. Except for the very last one. Except for the very last show he did. That's the one with the power slide, which is like one of the greatest

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I'm curious to know George what

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some of your favorite stuff you've heard is just to hear it

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in terms of the who sure yeah just because I have my favorites I'm curious to know

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well I mean obviously I like all the hits which

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ironically turns out that most of them were singles that were not even on albums

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that's true early on you know you need needy bitty big and bouncy to get any

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of the good stuff like you know

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Okay, not that one. That's on Who's Next. I know that one. Who's Next from start to finish is just... Yeah, I mean, that's obviously the best. It's one of the greatest albums ever. You know, I've listened from the beginning up through Tommy so far. I mean, like, dedicated. And honestly, I never really got into Tommy, and I respect it a little more, but I still think Pinball Wizard is the jam. So...

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What about the quick one while he's away and all that? That one, I was like, wow, I really don't like a quick one. Other than, what's the song? There's one song on there. There's one hit song. It's a... I mean, the song called the quick one while he's away. No, I mean, I know that was like the first Pete-like mini opera. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But what's on there? Like, I can see from Miles. Is that the one that's on that one? I'll have to go look at it, to be honest with you.

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I was actually referring to the track itself because of the coolest part on Live at Leeds, I think. That's crazy. You're only up through, Tommy, you got some big albums still to go through. Well, no, I mean, I'm very familiar with who's next. Of course, but when you deep dive, you always have to sort of go through those albums again anyway. I was surprised how much I didn't like the first few albums. Yeah, they're very kind of... Not great. 60s. So I'll give you my Dark Horse. I don't know if it's my favorite.

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but it's one of my favorites face dances dude yeah so much i love face dances yeah all right well i'm

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getting there you know i feel like that album gets shit on too much it does dude and it's got just a bunch of

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really good songs good songs on that yes probably one of my favorite who songs of all time called how can you do it

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alone because i was never really into the who that much you know where i got into the who is through pearl jam

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because they would cover baba o'reilly so much yeah that's a good one i gotta go back and listen to the rest of

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I got to send you this. I said it. George and Jay and I were talking about this. It was in the chat, but we were going back. They did a studio show in 79. It's, I think, Keith Moon's last show. All those songs sound incredible. I don't know what it was about that show. That guitar that Maroon Les Paul is famous to, the Shepperton guitar, by the way. There are Les Paul guys out there that aspire to have. If not that guitar, that Shepperton.

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I don't know what it is about that Shepardin show they did. It's just, and Leeds, of course, obviously is. I just read about Live at Leeds, which I was like, oh, I just did. Pete Townsend claims that he's part of the whole heavy metal scene. And while I don't think. Well, he did. He did mention that because apparently it's a very guitar heavy album. Yes, he did. I don't think he intentionally set out to do it, but I think it does deserve the credit it gets for being a extremely heavy guitar.

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A Proto Metal. It's very Proto Metal. They're not Sabbath, but they do deserve some credit for the driving force of what would come after that. Yes. Yeah, I mean, he was very, very is, I guess, because he's not dead or anything, a very experimental person and did a lot of, it's interesting. I mean, you know, it's his word against history, but the stuff that he talked about with Jim Marshall back in the day,

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and a lot of the stuff that he talks about, I'm like, wow, you know, nobody did that before. You know, nobody smashed guitars and nobody, nobody did like, I mean, he basically claims to invent the Marshall stack. He was like, Jim, hey, I'm going to take this. I'm going to stick this on top of this. And Jim Marshall was like, no, no, no, it's going to fall over and hurt people. And he's like, no, no, no, I need this stack. You know, he's no Carmen Apichie or whatever his last name is. He claims to be everything.

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That's modern drums for the day for every drum on planet Earth. And also, and I don't, and I'm not going to defend either one of them, Hendrix will have a hard time arguing it because he's dead. But I bet you Ritchie Blackmore and Hendrix would both argue that's static argument. Especially Blackmore. Well, according to Pete, he told Hendrix to go talk to Jim Marshall because Jimmy came to him and was like, I need some gear. And he said, go see Jim Marshall. But he's very, like, very deferential.

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of Hendrix. He's like, man, he's like, I'm nothing on Hendrix, but I did do this. Which is funny because Hendrix technically wasn't that strong compared to a lot of guys that came after him. It's just his experimentation was so far ahead of the game. Yeah, I agree, John, but I think where he was strong and there's proof of this in a lot of concert videos is live. He lived in London for however long in London and all those guys,

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and they all were just like nobody's like this guy i i got proof of that live jay all you

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have to do is listen to machine gun live new year's eve in new york city that is the greatest guitar song ever

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period yeah bandage is this thing is it or yes yeah machine gun is is the greatest ever and that's just i'm sorry it's that's fact

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no no arguments there's something on um the woodstock thing called um jam back at the house and because he goes hey here's a

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I'm back at the house and they make it up and then he does improvisation and it is easily 8 to 12 minutes of my favorite guitar playing ever. Yeah. I mean that story you told us about where he basically, hey how does God Save the Queen go again? Yeah. His guitar in his hand going out on stage and he goes can you hum that to me real quick? Because he wanted to play it when he got out there. And he nailed it. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Amazing. I know we're not the hard rock podcast but classic. Wow.

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Hey, but there may be one eventually because we're working on it. Get a stairway to 11. Stairway to 11. For hours. All right. So metal Thunderdome. Markisan. What do we got? Oh, okay. So we're doing a Opeth Damnation from 2003 versus Catatonia. Discouraged ones from 1998. So I chose these two albums because I was listening to Opeth a lot.

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And it dawned on me that their album was the first to feature all clean vocals. So that made me think about other bands that have also made that transition. And the first one that popped into my mind was Catatonia. So what's interesting to me, too, is that both these records seem to be considered middle-of-the-road efforts by each band. Like, most people don't name them as their favorite records from their catalogs, but they also

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don't put them at the bottom of the list. So I thought that was pretty intriguing because most of the time we're picking, you know, pretty classic albums for Thunderdome. Right on. All right, Trevor. I'm up. All right. So I really, it's funny because I got the, you know, heads up that this was going to be the two and I've been thinking about it for a couple of days and struggling with it. Yeah. So it's a tough one. Yeah. So not to bury the lead. I think the winner in this case is going to be Discouraged Ones.

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But I really went back and forth a lot. I think

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the thing I

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the problem I have with the discouraged ones thing

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I'll go with that first is I feel

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like Jonas's vocals in particular are

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not where they were going to be.

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He struggles a bit. I feel like his

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voice is not that strong. So

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I think the songs are good, but I actually

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going back. I'm like, they just don't

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it's not what it was going to be

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once, you know, by the time we get to Viva emptiness

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and stuff, he sounds amazing. Yeah. So

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It's not my favorite record

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I think it's fine

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but I feel like it was them

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just kind of dabbling in where they were going to be

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On the Opeth side

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I mean I think Window Pain's amazing

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I think it opens up the record

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but ultimately I find

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I can't really get through Damnation

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I get about halfway

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and I lose interest

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I think it sounds great

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It's performed amazingly well

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You get halfway

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It's pretty good

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I round up. Oh, yeah, that's the thing. I think it's all respect to it. But I just I don't love it. I mean, it's not a metal record. Right out amongst other albums or something. What's that? It's not a metal record. That is the difference here at all at all. Yeah. I mean, they're a metal band that put out this record. That's, you know, progressive folk. Yeah. I mean, I think it probably would have been better to call it something.

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else. And I know that's always the question too. When bands change dramatically, Opeth being a perfect example of it, like, should they still be Opeth? And I don't know. I kind of struggle with that sometimes. Like if you're going to deviate so far from your original sound, from an artistic standpoint, more power to you. Do what you want to do. You should only be doing the thing you love and not whatever you think people want. But at some point it's like, yeah, this is not the band that you were. Maybe just call it something else.

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Well, and it's crazy too, because it came after Deliverance, which I don't know how many months, it was months apart, right, John? Months or four months. Right, and that's like one of their heaviest records. Well, they were recorded simultaneously. That was the point. So I was kind of saving this, because I didn't want to kill Trevor's Thunder here, but it is the same album. Deliverance and Damnation were supposed to be released together. Right, and they released like the big double version. I've got that. And the only reason it wasn't is because the label forced them to break the albums up. So it technically is not their

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their first album of clean vocals. And they technically didn't deviate much. It's actually a dual album where they just had one side was going to be heavy and one side was going to be light. So it's kind of a misnomer. Kind of like Turbo. Because it does the way it was released. Yes, George, yes, exactly. It's exactly like Turbo and Ram It Down. Yeah, right. Exactly the same, honestly. By the way, Turbo was supposed to be between Turbos. Right. That's why I'm going with this.

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I picture Elpath dressed just like they were going to make the Turbo Lover video. Hey, I am your Turbo Lover, bitches. Just saying. So anyway, so yeah, discouraged one gets my vote overall. All right. All right. Markisan. Do you want to go now or do you want to go last? I think I have to go last because I'm going to pick. That makes sense. All right, then Matt, what is your Thunderdome choice?

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This is a good thunderdome. I will be perfectly honest. My first Opeth album was My Arms Your Hearse. My first Catatonia album was Night Is The New Day. What? So I have not spent a ton of time with either band. And after much listening, I would have to go with Catatonia. I just feel it's a little bit more moody, and I connect with that.

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Moodiness. When you're bitchy, you have moodiness. Moody and bitchy go hand in hand. Exactly. Gloveless hand in hand. Exactly. Or fingerless. I'm drunk. Flub that joke. Tiny Tim-ish. I mean, that's about all I can tell you. When you're Tiny Tim, the hand is so much smaller, it makes everything look bigger. Exactly. Go bless Catatonia.

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Deadpool where his hand is growing back. Did you see Deadpool? Yeah. I'm totally joking off tonight. It's going to look so huge. Those movies are great. I love Ryan. Everything Ryan Reynolds does is kind of amazing. That's because he's always Ryan Reynolds. If you like him and everything. I can't wait for the Adam project, by the way. Yeah, it looks good. All right, John. All right. So this is interesting for me because

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I like both bands one more than the other obviously

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so I wanted to be fair with this as much as I possibly could but my opinion didn't last long

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so and this is a little bit of a difficult one to do because one is an actual metal album one is not a metal album at all not even really close to a metal album

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but I got what Marcus was saying despite the fact that Damnation actually is

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a second side of a an album that the way it got released was by the label but it should have been released with deliverance so it should have been a double album but that's not how it happened it came out second so and it came out about six months later roughly i don't know off the top of my head yeah from when deliverance came out in 2003 deliverance being in 2002 so anyway so long story short uh after listening to both albums i made it one song in a damnation and it won by a mile

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Not because I like Opeth more than Catatonia. I love Catatonia up to a point. But I just like Damnation better. It's Mike's first attempt at going prog all the way through and kind of honoring his love for bands like Camel. I know Marcus Hans mentioned it's a folky album. It has folky elements. To me, it's more a prog album. And we all hear it differently, which is what's cool about the album.

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It's, I think, a bigger risk, this album, than Discouraged Ones was for Catatonia. It was a big risk for Catatonia to drop the harsh vocals, which I have to say, the vocalist before Discouraged Ones was Mike from Opeth. He was the vocalist on the previous two releases. But I went with Opeth, one, because they're probably my favorite band, but I just like the album more. Discouraged Ones doesn't even probably fit in my

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my top five Catatonic albums. It was the second or third release of their kind of newer sound that started with Brave Murder Day. And it's good. There's some really good songs, but I just feel like Jonas didn't reach his peak yet, which we talked about earlier. He hadn't yet. And I don't feel like they, the drums are weak. Jonas is a decent drummer, but he's not who followed him. And I felt like that kind of hurt the album a little for me. I get why people like it.

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the album. Both are dark brooding albums. In Catatonia, at some point you want to slit your wrist when you listen to them. For those early albums, you're like, fuck, this is depressing, man. This dude's getting fucked over every album. But they're both great albums to listen to. But I went with Damnation for mine. Yes, it's not a metal album. Will, you're correct. It's not a metal album. It's... An Opeth album. Not a metal album. It's by a metal band.

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by a metal band. So it is what it is. Which is interesting, too, because we talked about Blood Incantation, and they put out this ambient album. They're a metal band. Yeah, and George brought up Wolves in the Thrower. Same thing. I think, George, you brought it up, right? I did. Yeah, same thing. The ants do it all the time. So I will say that the one positive on Discouraged Ones is that there was something very good coming from them, in my opinion. They got better each album.

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And I thought they really started to peak with Last Fear and Deal, Gone Down, Viva Emptiness, Great Cold Distance. Those three albums are just, they're fucking awesome. I mean, tonight's music's great too. Discouraged One's good too. You know, we should do an episode that's just not metal at all. Just to be like, hey, this is our, this is our fucking damnation episode. And we're just going to talk about shit that's pretty. Well, that's something that I liked about this too, is that obviously Opeth is a metal band. That's what they mostly do. And they, they deviate.

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from that and tried something different. And Catatonia did too. They didn't go as far. You know, what do you like? Oh, the Death Doom is completely gone, Marcus, on this album. That's why it's a good choice. Yeah. And it was because Sounds of Decay was the EP that came out right before this. Gone. And I'm glad you mentioned the connection between the two bands because clearly they're friends because the guest spots. Well, Mike and Jonas are best friends, basically. So they've said over the years. I saw them on tour together. I can't even chill.

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Literally, man, I can't even tell you how many times I've seen them together. It's ridiculous. And I was at the first ever, like, official Bloodbath show in the U.S., which was basically an encore of Opeth and Catatonia members. Yep, that was the Ram's Head episode or show that I interrogated Mike backstage. Yes, and nobody knew it was coming, and it came out, and I think they played, was it Without God was the first song they played? I was like, you've got to be fucking kidding.

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They're really gonna do this here? And I was filming this thing from the balcony. And probably literally George standing right next to me because I was with TR at that show. And that's so fun. Yeah, I was up on the balcony filming this thing. And they and the band saw me. And they sent somebody from the Ram set up to talk to me and be like, Hey, you're not filming, right? Because they I had a press pass. I was like, No, I'm not filming. Just taking pictures. And they're like, Okay, so I actually have video that somewhere.

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that I didn't release because I didn't want to get in trouble. What was it? Did they also play Eaton at that show? I can't remember. I think so. I think so. Yeah. Oh, it was fucking amazing. I need to. So I got to figure out where that is. So Markisan good choice because not in our normal wheelhouse and not like you said, not sort of mid range albums. I think they both are on the upper mid range rankings. I feel when we do these verses, you're always you're picking like seminal albums.

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This is not, there's not, no one's picking these two albums as their like favorite. And I like that, that, that part. It's different. And I thought you would pick Opeth, but I really liked your thoughtful analysis on, on both of them, John. That was really good. Yeah. I actually, if Jonas, cause he sings and plays drums on discouraged ones. I think if it was Viva emptiness, then it would be a tougher call because at that point they were just firing on all cylinders. So.

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Well, I'm curious to see what Will has to say on the movie. Oh, this is a done deal. Well, so if I had to choose between Opeth and Catatonia, I'd choose Bloodbath. Yeah. Yeah. See? I told you. Will, do you not like any Catatonia at all? Because there's... I'll be honest. I don't really know Catatonia. All right. So... I really don't. Like, Catatonia to me, from the little, little,

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So my choice is Bloodbath. Sorry. Opeth. Damnation. Oh. Wow. I have heard very, very, very little Catatonia, and what I've heard, it's not even metal to me. Even though Damnation is barely even metal. Like, barely. I get that. I would suggest to you, Will, if you were going to ever list a Catatonia, Brave Murder Day would be the album that you would like. That's the early stuff, right? Yeah.

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That's the album right before this album, though. Yeah. Well, there was also the EP between the two, but yes, Mark is right. But that is like considered one of the greatest Death Doom albums ever. Brave Murder, Days of Amazing. So you might like that. You might. So, you know, I've mentioned this a few times before, and it's true. When Opeth was really first happening, I was a fanatic. I was so into Opeth. The first one that I got was Blackwater Park.

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And I quickly educated myself on the band. I even wrote to Michael and he wrote me back because his fucking name used to have his email on their webpage. And so I wrote to him and went back and forth a few times and said, whatever. But I was crazy about Opus and tried to sell them to everybody. And then when Deliverance came out, I was ready for it, came out, saw their first American tour where they were headlining. And I saw them in this shitty little dump.

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But they fucking filled the place and it was amazing. It was such a good show. And the thing that people really, I think, loved about Opeth and still do, but especially at that time was it wasn't just the contrast between the metal and the, like, acoustic-y stuff. It was that the acoustic-y stuff was at the level that it was. Because it was basically, like, death metal with Crosby, Stills, and Nash. Like, most, you know, metal bands have the worst fucking ballads. Like, seriously. I mean, like, a Metallica ballad is a dump.

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for the most part. But he brought forth this kind of like really pretty acoustic thing where he actually put a lot of energy to it and made it sound really wonderful. So I was excited for Damnation because I was full. I knew, just like John, I knew they were recording them both at the same time. It was supposed to be a double album. So I always saw it as part of the other record, always. And therefore it didn't feel not metal to me. So that's an awful lot to say that I have kind of a... Oh, and then worth mentioning

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was then when Damnation came out, here, I've seen them playing this dump, they came back with Porcupine Tree and played the Fillmore and sold the fucking place out, you know, so in one small season, they went to be this whole different thing, and I do like Catatonia, I don't have a lot of Catatonia records, I didn't own this one previously, by the way, but I bought it so I could listen to it, hands down, I don't see Damnation even as an experiment, I think it was exactly what it was supposed to be, it's a shame they didn't come out together,

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I think it's a great record from start to finish. I still like it a lot. And it's just an easy choice for me. Damnation. Right. Without question. Yeah. Alice is going back and forth, man. What do we have so far? It's three to two, I believe. Well, Trevor. Trevor had Catatonia, right? Matt had Catatonia. You had Damnation and Jay had Damnation. So tied. Yeah. And wait, Will too, right? Oh, and Will had

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All right, so Damnation is winning. And I'm willing to admit, I think you and George are both wild cards to me. I don't know what you're going to pick, so this will be interesting. I don't even know. Yeah, I don't know what George is going to pick, but he's going next. Clearly, I'm going to pick Opeth. So that's all I got to say about that. That's it. I mean, I like both bands. I do. But I like earlier Catatonic.

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And I like later Catatonia. This era Catatonia is okay. But it's not in the same league as Damnation. It's just not. You know, this is where Jonas is like, I'm going to start singing this clean stuff. And it's not terrible. But he's still working on it. And he'll get there eventually.

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But at this point in Opeth, Mike is like, boom. He's on it. So while I like both bands, gotta go Opeth. And I agree with you, George, about that. Michael, and I still think he does exceedingly talented things. And I liked the last record a lot, but he was on fire. This was like... Yeah, no, I freaking loved Damnation when it came out. Yeah, me too. So, I mean, and I've been a Catatonia fan since Brave Murder Day. So...

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You know, not trying to diss him. It's just he's not there yet. No, he gets it at some point. He does. He does. His range, and he's just very good at some point. Yeah. All right, Markisan. Okay, well, damn near this is going to win it no matter what I pick, so I'm not a deciding vote. Very interesting arguments on both sides.

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And I really struggled with this one, which I really liked when I picked it. Cause I was like, I don't, I'm not quite sure. Cause I love Opeth, but I actually, the Damnation album is not one that really strikes that much of a chord to me. Other than what, you know, you guys have said where, you know, it's supposed to be this double album. I think if it would have come out as a double album, I would have liked it even more because it's like, you have that heaviness and then, Hey, we're going to do this.

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going to do this like acoustic progressive folk as the second side. I like that idea, but that's not how it worked. It was an album that stood on its own. So, and that's how I picture it whenever I do that. I don't think of it as a double album. Like Jay said, he, he pictures it as two sides of one coin, right? I don't, I think of it as two. So for me, the Catatonia album,

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It's where I really started to get into Catatonia.

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So I think I'm going to pick that one.

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And that's safe because, you know, Pet 31 anyways.

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But I think that's where I really started to get into them.

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I really, I didn't really listen to Brave Murder Day until after this record.

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So, you know, that always has that kind of influence on you when you,

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you pick up an album by a band for the first time and then you're like oh i really like this i want to i want to hear more of the stuff they did earlier and so for that reason um i like that i love opeth like opeth is one of my all-time favorite bands like like like john said it's probably his favorite band um so i love their experimentation but there was something about the catatonia album that made me want to listen to more of their stuff

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with this record. So I think for that reason. Do I think it's a better

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crafted album?

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Maybe not.

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But if not for that album, maybe I don't

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listen to all the other Catatonia stuff.

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So I've got to go with the

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nostalgic factor here.

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There's no wrong answer here.

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No. And the funny thing is,

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this wasn't a barn burner. 4-3.

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Yeah.

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Probably more or less how it will play out in the public sphere, but we shall see. You never know. I have no idea how that's going to play in the public sphere, to be honest. They have almost all been different than I expected. Some of the wipeouts we expected were not wipeouts, so we'll see. I think the problem with an album like Damnation is people can't separate the album out from the band, meaning like the new Blood Incantation or the Wolves and Throne.

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Well, it's not what they normally do. But I think, see, that's the funny thing, though, John, because I do think one of the things that tilts it in my favor, and I feel like you're saying this is why it didn't for you, Marcus, was, like, I remember when it came out, I'm not trying to sell old school here or something, but what I mean was I was totally anticipating that second part of it, so it didn't feel like some complete weird change to it. We all knew it was coming. We all knew what it was. We all knew what it was about.

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Not everybody. When we went to see them on this tour, everybody's like, you know, play something heavy. And Mike's like, no, no, it's not what we're doing here. Fair enough. Now, I will say that he didn't get any of that in San Francisco, but I'm not sure. He did in L.A. Even though they were with Porcupine Tree? Yeah. I saw most of that tour. They played 16 dates in the U.S. I went to nine of those shows. And I was in L.A. And I'll never forget, one dude was standing right next to me, right in front of Mike, on the rail,

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Giving Him the bird screaming fuck you motherfucker just going crazy and I looked over I said do you not have the internet he literally told everyone for months we're not playing a heavy set so if that's not your thing don't come guys like fuck this guy fuck them I'm like you know what why'd you pay for a ticket exactly by the way also worth mentioning though too on that tour because that tour was awesome was that was also the tour for In absentia on Porcupine Trees Park which is such a good record

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That was just like such a night, man. I just remember. And that show is amazing. It was unreal how good it was. And that factors into my choice here, too, was that was like at that time, man. Oh, fuck. That was like that tour to see that year in my mind. What's interesting, too, is that the listeners who vote on this, I wonder how they're going to perceive it. Because if you have like blogging incantation who just put out this ambient record, people are going to it's going to be very controversial right right now.

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because they want more of what they got last time. But with the Opeth, for example, like they put this album out a long time ago. People have had time to adjust to that. They know their body of work. They know that this was something that they experimented on and did really well. And it's looked back on more fondly now. Do the listeners feel that same way or do they feel it's like an anomaly in, you know, a catalog that Opeth has had? So I don't know. We'll see.

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Same thing with Catatonia. They went to the

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clean vocals, but that's what we really know about Catatonia.

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When I think of Catatonia, I think of clean vocals. I don't think of the old stuff.

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Is that the same for all the listeners, too?

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I immediately think of Brave Murder Day first.

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And then I go to like

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Fever Emptiness and Last Fair Deal and stuff like that.

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By the way, I consider

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people can say what they want about Opeth now, but I consider

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a completely separate thing from what Opeth is doing today. I agree. I don't think they're in any way related and I don't think like it. So that strikes me as so strange that people had, I guess my circle was pretty small at the time, but that anybody would have had a weird reaction to it or the shows because it had been intended to be that kind of thing. Opeth now has established itself as a different kind of band, but at the time it was like, here's the special thing we're doing. I don't know. And it's not just that that's different. It's also just sounds different.

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than the new stuff. Which I will say again, I thought the last Opeth record was great. Best thing since Watershed, without question. And, you know, that's why I just, you know, these two albums made it really good versus cast, clearly. So that's awesome. Yeah. This is the most Opeth talk Will's been involved with in a long time. Is he actually involved in it? That he's sat through. No, I'm giving Will credit here. Come on. Yeah. Hey, you will be very happy to know that on the Sona system,

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the entire house. I was listening to Opeth the other day, Blackwater Park. Nice. You know, Will, I'm going to get you to listen to Still Life more. It's happening. Oh, Still Life is amazing. I'm fine with that. And then we'll get you to listen to Some My Arms Are Hurts. Why does Will look like a Slayer album cover there for a minute? He does, doesn't he? Diabolism music is Will. My greatest Will Opeth story ever is

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Will and I driving back from Georgia's after an episode of just long debauchery. And I was like, dude, I got to play this Opeth song for you. And I put on Black Rose Immortal. And he literally looks at me and says, this is not Opeth. I said, yeah, it is. He's like, what? He gave me one of those in the car. It was fucking fabulous. Just like, I win. Winning. Tiger Blood. Let's do our album on the episode. Let's go to bed. I'm fucking tired. Yeah, I know you are. So let's wrap this up.

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Can we also get you, Trevor, to pick one album of the episode? Of everything that anybody has mentioned, you or anyone else, what is the album that you like the most or are just feeling today? Yeah, yeah. Let me think about that. Crack Danger is up for you. Other than that, that is obviously the greatest album of the episode. Right. Yeah, okay. So if I were to pick one album that was mentioned on this,

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I'm going to pick my own favorite from last year just because I think it needs one more shout out and that's the Jason Beeler. It's Jason Beeler in the Von Bielski Orchestra I think is the full title. The album is called Songs for the Apocalypse. It came out last year. Devin Townsend guests on it. Dave Ellefson's on there. There's a bunch of different people. It's super varietous. It's proggy. It's ultra heavy. The vocals are amazing. Just these big lush harmonies. There's a couple. There's just so much variety. So that is my absolute recommendation record right now. Right on. Nice.

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I'll be checking that out for sure. Markisan what's your album of the episode? I'm first. So, uh, yeah, I'm going to have to go, I'll make it quick. I'm going to go with the Evokin, Antithesis of Light. Um, cause I did the deep dive. That's my favorite Evokin album. Um, it's pretty close cause I like all their albums, but Antithesis of Light is, uh, is my favorite and, um, definitely my favorite of all the albums we've talked about today. So there you go. All right. Nice. Matt.

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Unfortunately, no one mentioned Leviathan by Mastodon, so I have to go with Immolation Accentod. Nice. All right. I almost did, though, too, because I was going to say this Opeth Mastodon tour, but I didn't. Damn it. I'll get you next time. Thank you. John. All right. So for the three people who actually like the same prog stuff that I like, that actually listen to the podcast,

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that surprised me the most in february that's the vas katsionis ethical dilemma the homage to fate's warning without sounding like fate's warning album that came out just recently if you like that early 80s 90s fate's warning you'll dig this all right hey wow and will am i allowed to pick abhoria yeah of course sure why not that's it i love it this is the best thing

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Trevor has ever done. Travis. Travis. Travis guy. Travis is your friend. Travis is just like the dreamier, better looking version of Trevor. There's no such possible thing. That's Vora's first name actually. Yes, actually. It's the best thing Vora's ever done. Seriously, like, you know, I give Trevor tons of shit for Ash and Horde. I like Ash and Horde.

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in parts.

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And then there are the parts that just killed for me.

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But Abhoria is what I wish

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he would just do all the time.

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It's so good.

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To me, it is so good.

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It is.

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It is really good.

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It really is.

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It's leaps and bounds so much better than

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I wouldn't say that.

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But yeah.

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It is.

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To me, it is.

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And it's a compliment.

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It's a compliment.

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It's not trying to detract from the other stuff. It's just like, this is so fucking good to me. Yeah. I love it. Well done, sir. So even though I'm the one who brought it up, I don't care. I'm the one who still was said. And it was said legitimately. And it's a little weird, a little bit off track, but I'm going to go with Gary Moore, Quarters of Power. Nice. Really kind of obsessed with this record right now, Gary Moore in general. And I do think it's, well, I think I'm just saying it a couple of times, maybe somebody,

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I think I definitely will find something new they like indeed I'm gonna collect my Wilson now and uh go with uh and go with Zeal and Ardor their self-titled album I fucking love this album so much so there you have it we are here we are at the end and with that Trevor we will release you

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To the wild with you, Trevor. We're going to see the first theater movie I've seen since COVID started. We're going to see Death on the Nile. Oh, nice. Movie theater since March of 20. Wow. Enjoy. Did you see the Murder on the Orient Express one? Yes. I love the Poirot stuff, dude. And I like Kenneth Branagh. Yeah, Kenneth Branagh's my boy. We're kind of like, all right, we're going to do it. And it just came out like, that's it. We're going to the theater. It feels very bizarre. Enjoy.

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Yeah, have fun, man. Trevor, consider your podcast duty fulfilled for this year, and you will not be eligible for another podcast for another three years, at which time the county will contact you to serve. Sure. Unless you release an Ashen Horde album later in this year, in which case you will be required. Say hi to Alicia. I will do that, and you do it. Good seeing you all. Be healthy. You too, man. Thanks so much. Take care. Have a good night.

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Thanks for coming on. You're my favorite guest. You are one of my favorite hosts. Oh my God. You better put a big dedication in next Ashton Horde album. I will say this. Will alone needs his own. I give Trevor tons of crap, but I love your stuff. And this uphoria thing is fucking amazing. I love it.

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I really do. It will make my year-end list easily. I love it. It's amazing. You're amazing. And just don't sing anymore. So close. So close to being a pure compliment. I have to. I've got copies of his stuff from pre-Ashen Horde. When he was like, yeah.

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And he sings well. So go fuck yourself. I'm not saying he's a band singer. Let him go to the movies for God's sake. All right. Go Trevor. Have fun. See ya. We love you all. Good night. All right. Thanks Trevor for coming on and we will see you all next time. Peace. Sooner than later.

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I've been through the

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Yo, Metalheads Podcast. This is a new episode. I heard a band described as forest metal. Let's stop this, okay? Let's just end this. There's too many fucking genres of metal.

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Don't do it again. Specifically you, Marcuson.