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Metalhead Podcast, Metalhead Podcast, GO!

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You must listen.

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You must listen.

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Now, here is the podcast, Metalheads Podcast.

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Hello and welcome to the Metalheads Podcast. My name is George.

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This is Jay.

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This is John.

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This is Matt.

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This is Markisan.

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And we are joined today by podcast listener and fellow metalhead, Justin Riley-Velez.

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Yes. Hello, everybody. Thank you for having me. We spent a couple minutes getting that right, and you got it wrong. It's Velez. I think you said Velez. It's fine. Valet? It's fine. Values? Fuck if I know. I told you I'd get it wrong. I always get it wrong. Anyway, thanks for coming on. Thank you for having me. I really appreciate it. You guys, you know, I have to say, like, before we get, like, really into things or whatever, you guys over the pandemic really, like,

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It helped me a lot because I had a lot of things that I could focus on instead of just being in my head all the time. I'm sure everyone probably experienced their own degree of that during all of this. But yeah, you guys really helped. I basically listened to all of your episodes during the pandemic. I just discovered you right before. So it's been awesome. I feel like I know you guys, but I also feel like it's weird that you're here and I'm going to forget that I'm supposed to be talking.

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You just blew through my first three questions. That's all right. I'll come back and elaborate. I'd like to believe we got you through the pandemic because you were like, here's some motherfuckers who sound even less happy than I am. That's good. I feel better about myself listening to these guys. It's nice to listen to people who speak the same language as you when you're talking about music. You can even have people that like the same kind of music as you, but they don't.

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They're not so into it that they can even talk to you about it. So it's cool to listen and kind of in your head feel like you're answering the same responses everyone else's in your own version of things. You know what I mean? It's cool. It's like Alcoholics Anonymous, to be honest with you. It's like you're obsessed and you need other people who are obsessed to talk to. I may not be able to pronounce your name, but I know how to talk about metal. Yeah, well, I feel like we were talking for like a while. Oh, I know.

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I'm like harassing him because I just keep talking to him about metal.

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I don't know.

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No, no.

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I mean, we've had some pretty epic conversations over the last couple of months.

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And yeah, no, I'm one of those people that my phone is always right here.

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And I'm like, it's impossible for me to not look at it and respond.

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I'm like using a computer right now.

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And I like literally unless I'm like at work, I'm not using computers.

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I use my phone for like literally everything.

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Cool.

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So.

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36 I guess.

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I guess that's why.

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Right.

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Well why don't you start off by telling us a little bit about yourself.

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Where are you from?

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What do you do?

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Stuff like that.

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Who are you?

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Okay.

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Who am I?

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Well I live on Long Island in New York.

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It's we talked about this.

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It's a shitty place to live, but it's an amazing place to live at the same time. You'll ask anyone from around here. They all say the same thing. I'm an interior designer, so that's what I do for a living. That's my left brain, right brain creative outlet. That's what I use to be creative. I started out as an art student when I was in college, and I wasn't feeling the digital side of things.

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I like to be I was always a very reactive when I when I when I used to create artwork and stuff like that I like to do things quickly and because I have something in my head and I want to kind of get it out there so that kind of transferred over into interior design for me I can go into a space yeah no I was just gonna say you know like what do you like to design or lay out like a whole house or a like like is it is it residential stuff or like is there

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It's both. It's every kind of aspect that you would get. So I'm not a fucking decorator. I'm not a decorator. I don't fucking come into someone's houses with like a few pillows and be like, oh, look at this. No, that's like the shit you do at the end if you even give a shit enough. If you're like not wanting to kill yourself from the job itself. But no, it's literally I go from architectural plans all the way to sourcing every sort of material you would need down to your fucking sofa pillow.

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Like everything in a house and with the restaurant pretty much everything besides like

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you know the cooking aspect I guess but everything else surrounding it I also are I do I should say so. So do you do you like make blueprints and things? I take blueprints and I correct architects who are for some reason don't design their architecture for actual function space.

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Like, oh, this is great. You have all these windows in this room. Where the fuck am I supposed to put a bed? Like, where am I supposed to put a bed in here? Like, where am I supposed to put, like, furniture? Like, that type of shit. So I go in and I actually correct their fuck-ups and make it better than they typically do. Nice. I just love the way you describe it, too. Like, they're fucking up and I'm fixing it. Pretty much. I'm here to clean up their mess. Is this, like, AutoCAD thing? Like, is that? Yep, yep, yep. My brother does. That's what my brother does for a living, though.

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I'm already aged out, so I do like the flat floor plans and the flat walls. I can't do all the fancy 3D shit that makes it look like it's actually going to look like. I pay other people to do that. I don't have the time for it. You don't do like they do on the reno shows where they're like, and this is what it's going to look like. Yeah. No, it's a grind of a business. You don't make a lot of money if you're doing it for a living, honestly. Even I live in one of the fucking most expensive places,

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And yet I don't necessarily make what you would think like a TV like H and those fucking people, those HGTV people.

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Well, see, now you're on this podcast and now somebody's going to go, damn, we need to give this guy a TV show.

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Listen, I'm all about marketing myself to metalheads. Like, listen, I'll be the best thing for you because I'm a metalhead, but I'm also an interior designer. So I'll make your wife happy.

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And then I'll allow, get her to agree for you to go out to shows and shit when like, you know. Well, I'm a little disappointed that you don't do pillows, I gotta say. I do do pillows, actually. That's just the whipped cream on top. Right, exactly. I just don't, I don't call, like there are a lot of bored housewives that don't have anything better to do, so they shop, basically they shop for other people at HomeGoods and then they call themselves a decorator. And that's like, you know, it's bullshit.

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I mean, decorating is not designing. I have this vain hope that you're going to look at all the things behind me here. Like there's a motorhead thing I'm pointing at and you're going to be like, move that six inches to the left. And I'm going to be like, dude, that fucking changes the whole thing. There's so much more room in here. Well, that's the whole thing with it. That's why I love what I do, even though it's fucking stressful as shit and you don't make a lot of money and it's kind of like not like an important job by any means. I'm not, you know, I'm not saving people's lives or anything like that.

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But what I love about it is that I get the creative side and I get the OCD side that I have. That's like pretty intense. It's a nice meshing. And there's a lot of people like me in the industry, which is kind of annoying, actually. But you do the drawings. You go into the place and then like explain it to people. Yeah, I have to go. Yeah, you basically you go in there. And that's the other thing, too. It's like there's so many other aspects because you have to like you have to sell yourself because you're selling.

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You're selling your value of your vision. It's not like a tangible thing that you're

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initially selling to them. You're basically saying that I know what's right for you and you have to trust me and I'm going to bring you things that I know that are going to work for you and also that you're going to like. And then that's the thing too. So you have to like sell yourself and you have to like kind of figure people out so that you can take what they want and your creative vision of the space and be able to kind of mesh it together.

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So it's very like analytical creativity, I guess, in a way.

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On this most recent move, we used one for the first time.

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And I'm a graphic designer by day, which is a whole different mess.

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And so I looked at like what an interior designer does to me is so much more, I mean, in my mind is much more complex.

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And like I totally geeked out on like, well, yeah, in this space, you know, you'd want to use this for this reason.

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And this will do this and this will make the space feel like.

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I think indirectly I'm all about space and how do you feel about the spaces you're in. Usually I like less than more because I feel like if there's too much shit in the room I get anxiety. Don't be in this room. Jay's room is a death trap for Matt. It really is dude. Let me show you more of it. It's just fucking ridiculous dude. That's basically what I do. It's cool.

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It's fulfilling. It's really stressful and tiresome. And you kind of are like, what the fuck is the point sometimes? But at the same rate, it's like, what the fuck else am I going to do? You know? So this is what I'm doing. Justin, what's the weirdest or coolest design that you've ever done? Something that stands out to you. Or your Mona Lisa. Right. That's a tough one. I did a house out in West Hampton Beach.

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I would say I've always worked with other design. I have my own clients, but I also work at design firms. So sometimes those are collaborative. However, the one I was working for had her foot out the door. So she kind of threw everything on me. And I probably did. I would say 80% of the design there. And that was like an entire West Hampton beach house. Like the type, the type of shit you see in the movies. Like that's, that's the type of house I got to do. And I, and the client was, and that's the other thing too. It's not just like,

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the end product it's also the experience of the client you have to have someone that

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actually will trust you to make like big decisions and spend a lot of fucking money for them like a lot of

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fucking money so like it's cool when you have someone who's like willing to like not like fight your

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design um and like because that that'll happen they'll fight your design and you have to make

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compromises to get in budget you know so when you don't have to do that it's pretty amazing you have

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The Complete Freedom. Yeah. That sounds awesome. I would say that's probably my favorite one. My most, I guess, fulfilling one that I've done. Where are... There was a lot of... Go ahead. Sorry, I'm kind of switching gears on you because you mentioned a location and I'm wondering where in Long Island are you, if you don't mind. I am in Bayport. So I am like probably a half hour from the Hamptons. I'm about... I'm just off of the Fire Island, Barrier Islands out here. I'm right by the

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I'm about an hour and a half train ride from the city, which

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fucking sucks when they make shows on like a Tuesday. I'm like, I'm going to be fucking

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traveling more than I'm going to be at the show. This sucks, but sometimes I have to do it, you know?

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, cool. I got you here. I mean, that meant squat to me, but I was able to Google it and I see where you're at.

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There's so many fucking people on this island and it's really not that big. Like you could literally go from like north to south

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in like probably 40 minutes. And that's why it sucks so bad. Like there's so many beautiful places because it is like an island essentially. Right. But there's always people there. There's always other fucking people there. And like, I don't really like a lot of people. Hell is other people. Right. That's how I feel about Hawaii right now because the tourism is ridiculous. Yeah. I actually lived in Long Island for a year. I went to school at Stony Brook for one year. Oh, yeah. Literally, I'm on, you know, Nichols Road.

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You're on Nichols Road? I do know Nichols Road. I'm literally at the very south end of that. That's where I am. Wow. There you go. George, I think we need to send Justin on a man in the field assignment because I believe Ross the Boss' batting cage is in Long Island too, so we'll send him down there and hit some balls. Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah. Ross the Boss from Man of War. We interviewed him a while back from his batting cage. It was very distracting on all accounts, but it was cool. Yeah, I kind of saw them, I would say.

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I kind of had to like leave because I couldn't take it.

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But it was nice having you on.

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I was there for a mortal.

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I'm sorry.

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I was there for a mortal.

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They were over.

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I stayed.

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I hung out.

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My friends were all about it.

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They were all like, yeah.

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That's a weird.

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It was just, it smelled.

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There's like a lot of cheese.

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You know, when like the concerts and like there's a certain ones where the air circulation sucks.

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There's just like a lot of cheese in the air.

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You feel like you're just breathing and like grossness.

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That's ironic that there would be cheese in the air at a Man of War show. There was cheese in the air? That doesn't sound right. It was literally floating on the music notes. There was one guy there that literally had a shirt that said, I am too fat for a Man of War shirt. And he was very, very, very, very large and probably contributed to some of the cheese. I would just assume. He's probably growing it all over the place. I'm sure they sell flags.

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Actually, I have a couple right here. There you go. At least one or two Manowar flags, yeah. How did you come across the podcast? Like, did you just, you know, were you just like, hey, these guys look like dicks? No, actually, I was, I, not was, I am very much so, a very big Temple Boy fan. And they had posted, I think it must have been, I feel like they must have reposted it because I feel like it was on for a little bit because it was, it was definitely before their last album.

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dropped. So it was like literally right before the pandemic. Maybe they advertised, I guess, the last time that they had been on because it was dropped. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I spoke a lot of weeds, so I don't quite remember timelines a lot. Well, they were on our spot when we talked to them. We did a, what do you call it? Coronavirus diary with them, I think. It was the one before that. The one before that was. That's where I started. And I think it was old. That's what I'm saying.

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Maybe what I did was I went back because I saw there was another episode with them. I don't know. Yeah, there's a couple. So yeah, so that's basically how I found you guys. And, you know, I talked to Georgia about this a little bit, but I'm like a very big, I'm very snobby with a lot of shit. You'll find out when we start talking about things. But one of the things that I'm super snobby about is my, like, who I'm listening to talking to me. I'm a huge, I'm stereotypical, I guess, Long Island guy. I'm a huge Stern fan. I grew up with Stern. I've literally even listened to me.

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I don't know since I can remember so to me whenever I listen to other talk radio it always pissed me the fuck off and I didn't like it and I so I was very like I need to find something that like because everyone's talking about podcasts and I really wasn't like listening to podcasts at that point in time I was just I was always so fucking busy that was the whole thing like I used to work like 12 hour days so like I was burnt out I didn't have as much time to do like the leg work that you know metalheads do you know

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And yeah, I came across you guys and I'm like, they're not making me angry when I'm listening to them. I'm like, so I'm totally going to go with this. I'm totally sticking with this. That's good. That's a banner quote for the webpage right there, George. Well, next time we get Keith to do some drops, we'll be like, Metalhead's podcast doesn't piss you off when you listen to it. I used to get so angry. Here's the thing. Again, and I'm sure,

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I know some of you guys are in like some crowded areas too so I'm sure you experienced it in your own right but there's nothing I feel like I've never experienced anything worse than the traffic here because it was never designed for for traffic so it's always fucking terrible and when you're sitting in your car especially on Long Island if you're listening to someone who's not clicking with you you're going to get angry like it's just going to make you angrier because you're sitting in traffic listening to like a shithead who doesn't know like it just sounds like an asshole

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I can't take the affected voices and all that shit. I can't. WNBC. Hey, this is a metal show. Shut the fuck up. If you're a Stern fan, I'm sure you appreciated all of Will's dick jokes then. Oh, yeah. I can totally tell. He totally drops Stern references all the time. I don't even know if he realizes that. I pick up on it. I pick up on that show all the time. Which, by the way, I'm a big fan of these days. He does these in-depth interviews now that are just... Totally.

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new level in his career. And if you ever want to listen to an interview with Paul McCartney, listen to fucking Howard Sterns, you know, or whatever it is. Totally. People just reveal some pretty deep shit and he's pretty, his emotional intelligence has gone way up. Let's put it that way. Yeah. He's more mature now. You know, I used to listen to him a lot. I haven't listened to him as much in the last, I don't know, like 10 years or so, but yeah, he's definitely got a maturity that I think really makes him better. It shows up in my YouTube feed.

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a lot. So like, I'll see it and it'll be somebody I like. And it's like, here, here, what so-and-so says about this. And I listened to it and the way he draws people out and his thoughtful, anyway, he really is. He's turning to a good journalist. One of my, one of my comparisons for me, especially like the age that I'm at and like what I have consistently like consumed, you know, entertainment wise through my life. There are two things that I kind of, and I kind of compare them to each other. Is that like South Park, like South Park came out when I was in eighth grade. And when you look back at like the first episode,

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So to South Park. It's amazing for a kid in eighth grade. This is fucking hilarious. You go back now, it's not as good. But they kind of matured themselves throughout their years. They've been going a little overboard now. They can pull it back a little bit. But I feel like that's kind of the same thing. They matured over time, with time. And that's what I think makes them so good. Yeah. For those of you, we won't keep going on this, but for those of you who haven't dipped your toes in, he's a lot more like

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Charlie Rose now than he is like Howard Stern. If you ask me, he's still Howard Stern, but he's like, he's thoughtful. Anyway, you get it. You might want to not want to compare him to Charlie Rose. Get kicked out because of sexual harassment. Like he's gone. And that was a surprise. Whatever. No, he gets other people to do all the crazy shit now. He doesn't really like participate in it. You know, that's really what it comes down to. In any case. And also, I'm not surprised to hear that Long Island has bad traffic because it's kind of a, I know there's more than one road, but it's like,

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One way in, one way out, right? I mean, you can't drive. Yeah, like if there was ever a catastrophe, we're fucked. Like we're fully fucked. You don't have a boat, you're fucked. It's like Outer Banks. You're just going to die. You're just going to die. It's funny to hear that because George knows this. It's like us with the Beltway. Yeah. It's literally everyone between Boston and Miami drives by us or through our area. Yeah. One lane goes down on the Beltway. The whole freaking area, the whole metro area is completely fucked. Yeah. I mean, that's how I got into podcasts.

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listening on my intolerably long commutes. Also why I haven't listened to podcasts in the last year. We get the traffic thing. It's nuts out here. So that's how you found us. So let's go back to your blossoming metal love. How did you find metal? Yeah, totally. So I would say my father was probably the biggest influence on my music. I'm sure a lot of people are.

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But he was into, you know, Sabbath, ZZ Top, Queen, Rush, Led Zeppelin, you know, all of the bigger stuff like that. And so I was always listening. I was always listening to that. Now, my parents divorced when I was essentially like nine months old. So they've always been separate for me. So when I would go with my dad, my mother never listened to music.

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My mother doesn't really have any taste in music. She's one of those weird people who just doesn't really listen to music. But she was awesome because she never gave me shit for what I was listening to. She would just do the whole, what are you listening to? But besides that, I didn't get any other grief from her, I guess. So when I was with my dad, it was like, this shit was cool. He played it. He's a bass player too. So he always had stuff on and that's kind of what I latched onto that type of, I guess, aesthetic.

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but interpreted into my own. So, you know, I came, obviously, I grew up in the 90s. And so my first, the first two albums that I remember buying on my own were Green Day Dookie and Nirvana Nevermind. Those are my two, those are my two first albums. And, you know, and I listened to a lot of like, you know, the grunge bands. I don't consider, I think grunge is like a stupid word. I think you guys have talked about this before. Like, there's so many, there's so many bands in that time.

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and they don't fucking sound like each other so why are you calling them grunge like it's just

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doesn't make sense but you know like the typical like um some of the some of the post grunge i got

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into too like some of the shittier whatever what other people would consider the shittier versions you

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know like i really loved uh like silver silver chairs first time was a huge record for me you know what i

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mean and it obviously wasn't the most solid shit but like it was are you going fat boy fat boy exactly

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Like that was a good show, man. And it was catchy. It was cool. Listen, I was like eight, so like what the fuck. I liked it too, man. Something about a drink of water or something. Some of those bands, and some of those bands survive. Like Chevelle's a really good band still. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You know, so. Yeah, yeah, totally. But yeah, like, yeah, so it was like, you know, you know, Alice in Chains, obviously. I feel like those, out of all the bands from that era that I would say I carry over with me now, it's Alice in Chains. Oh, they're metal. I mean, they're definitely metal. Yeah, and that's kind of like, I guess,

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Maybe how I kind of started getting. So then, yeah, so then I was into that stuff. And then, you know, as I grew up, I got a little, little older, I would say into more metal type music, I would say probably tools on them. I kind of was the bridge to that. Oh, sure. And then, you know, because of the time, I'm not going to be ashamed of it or anything like that. I was, I was definitely a new metal kid. I was a first wave new metal kid, you know, the first, you know, first, first two corn albums, first seven dust albums.

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I'm trying to think a couple other ones. Deftones. And again, in terms of that area, I would say Deftones are the band I carried over from that. I don't listen to too much of the other stuff. As much as I was into it at the time, it was at the time. Well, you know I love Deftones if you listen to this cast. Yes, I know. I've had Deftones conversations on social media before. Yeah, but what about Limp Bizkit? I, okay, I owned $3 bill.

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And listen, there's one or two songs in there that are fucking catchy. I don't give a shit. Like, whatever. I've got the first three albums. Sorry, four albums. I remember specifically, I went, and I'm actually about to, this is actually a good way to kind of jump in. So, like, one of the fortunes I had of being interested in metal was in the town I lived in. So, I grew up in a town called Valley Stream, which is kind of more towards Queens.

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like right on the border over there. And we had our local record shop, which was called Slip Disc. And it was kind of like a pretty big, yeah, it was kind of like a pretty big record. Not big in terms of like the size, but like big in terms of like, if you were a metalhead in that area, you knew about it. Like that's where you went for your shit because you could go in there at that point before there was like a lot of distribution and you can get like a mortal and emperor and all that shit from Europe. You could, they had the imports there. So it was awesome. So you could, you really got exposed to a lot of stuff.

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I missed the hunt.

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Totally.

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Back in the day,

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you know,

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they did an amazing used section that I used to fucking go through all

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time and get like whole awesome shit from anyways.

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I remember specifically getting the first disturbed album,

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right?

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It was a promo.

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It was one of those promo CDs.

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They would send out like six months earlier to the record stores and see

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if they wanted to order them.

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Yeah,

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I got that.

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I remember listening to this and I'm like,

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I think I'm done with this whole deal.

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I think I'm just done with it.

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You're not down with the sickness? I literally, and then it was so funny because then like six months later, all of a sudden, like six months later, all of a sudden, all these kids in my school were like, oh, did you hear this? I'm like, I'm like, I'm sorry. I'm like, that's not going to work for me anymore. At that point, I would kind of, because I was in that realm, I would say what kind of brought me into, I guess what, you know, metal proper was probably Sepultura.

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and Machine Head's first record. Those are really big bands for me. So I grew, again, I'm also not a big thrash guy because we got to look up, you got to look at when I grew up and where thrash was and the output that was happening at that point was not very good. So I was not a big thrash guy. However, Sepultura, that was my shit. Like I started with Bloody Roots even though I don't ever go back to that one. Once KSAD hit,

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And I was like, this is fucking great. I love this shit. It was them. It was Pantera. It was like, you know, I fucking loved Pantera. I still love Pantera. I feel like Pantera fans give certain Pantera fans give other Pantera fans shame. So I feel like a lot of people like Pantera more than they're willing to admit at this point in time, which is kind of sad because I love them. I never got to see them live, but I love them.

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I was listening to that stuff. And then

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there was this, I don't know if you guys remember, there was this channel, it was called

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what Fuse was, it used to be called Much Music.

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It was when it was in Canada. And they had that late, I think, which was essentially

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their version of a Headbangers Ball, which didn't exist when I was coming up.

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And I was watching that, because

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they were still playing some of that mid-range shit. And then I remember

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Or Morbid Angels, Where the Slime Live came on. And I'm like, what the fuck is this? I fucking love this. I want more of this. That was like my spark, I guess, into like the more extreme end of metal. It was Morbid Angel. And then it just took off from there. It was, you know, suffocation, immolation, some of the mellow death stuff, which I don't really fuck with too much anymore.

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But some of those earlier records from Soil Work particularly, I would say that they were kind of like my band in that era. And then I just, you know, I took off from there and started going to shows. And we had, again, I was lucky enough, we had this amazing spot in Brooklyn called Lemores that used to be around. It's kind of been talked about a lot. Yeah. Heard of it. Yeah, I think Overkill used to play there a lot, right? If I'm not mistaken.

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Well, actually, yes, but also I believe that if I'm not mistaken in the story of Thrash, it was a show at Lemores that was like Anthrax and like three other bands and all the other bands about Anthrax got signed. It's a very famous metal thing from the 80s. That makes sense. Yeah, and what was so killer, and I don't know about, you know, obviously I don't travel around a ton, so I don't know of other venues like this, but what was so killer about this particular spot was they had two, basically two rooms back to back.

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And what they would do is they'd have a band, the main touring bands on one side and local bands on the other. And so when the, when the, the bands were breaking down, you'd go in and there'd be a local band playing and then you can go back and you would see, you know, Calma corpse or deicide or whatever, you know? So that was, um, awesome. It was innovative. Yeah. And one of the things that made it really cool and it's funny. Cause like, I guess I was kind of like quasi in a scene.

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here without even realizing it until now that I'm older because now I'm looking at all the guys that I used to hang out with when I was in high school and who were in bands who are now in actual real bands like they're in like legit shit and they used to be the bands when they were teenagers they were the band on the other stage playing you know a lot of the guys from so Dan Gargiulo from Revocation and Artificial Brain him Sam Smith who's also an Artificial

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and uh was that other one he's in uh sleeper vessels or something like that i think it's called

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um no fawn limb i can't think of the name of it they just came out they came out the record last year

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that everyone's talking about it's like a grind record i don't remember and then um they were all on a date

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sam actually wasn't in their band but uh this guy dan was in it uh this band they're called cyanide breed

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um they're on they're on uh the metal archives and shit like that but um it was cool there was like an

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And so I was in that, you know, for quite, you know, for a few years. And then basically what happened was I moved. My mother moved me around a lot as a kid. And she's like, I promise I'm not going to let you, I'm not going to move you again until we, until you graduate high school. And it was literally, I was in my cap and gown and my house was empty because my mother. So I went to go live with my dad. And so I wasn't in the

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the town anymore and they were a little bit younger than me so I kind of lost touch with them so like I wouldn't say that I'm necessarily like still I like a part of it but it was cool like that I you know these are the guys you used to go to shows with you know it's cool that they're like doing their thing and they're actually like doing it you know that was cool yeah so then I moved away went to college I went to just local college around here so I was going to school full-time working full-time in a new relationship so I took a break for

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a good chunk of time. I was listening to what I was already listening to or following those bands, but I wasn't picking up anything new. And it wasn't until probably like three or four years ago when I realized that I kind of need to take care of myself in therapeutic ways, I guess. And I'm like, I need to get back into this shit. I'm like, all these people are dying that I want to see. They're breaking up, they're dying. I'm never going to see them again. I'm like, I need to just start going back to shows.

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and start getting more familiarized with everything. And then the pandemic really kind of amped that up where I feel like I'm finally like, like caught up as much as you can be caught up. Yeah. Let's hear what are some of your bucket list? Uh, once guys that you're like, I got to go see them before they die. Oh, don't say let me. I'm trying to think, um, or not. Well, I'm really fucking pissed that I was supposed to go see fucking Deftones and Gojira. They changed the date and then they changed it again for next year.

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I'm like I'm like what the fuck I got was all pumped for that I haven't seen Gojira yet so I'd love to see them

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it was just the last couple of days too I think that wasn't it yeah yeah yeah

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um I'm trying to think of the other one I'm trying to think of some I don't know like I feel like there

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there aren't I've kind of knocked off a lot of them of the past couple years um it's more of like

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I'm sad that I never like gave myself the opportunity to see certain ones that aren't around anymore I guess

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So now I don't want to hesitate anymore. I'm just like, I'm going to go fucking see these motherfuckers if they come around and I like them. Who knows? Who knows? Yeah. Well, what are some of your favorite bands and styles of metal? Okay. I'm definitely death metal wheelhouse. That's my comfort zone. I would say I listen to the most, like if I see a couple people talking about it and it's death metal, I'll listen to it. I'll check it out. Somewhere Will's heart just grew three sides.

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Yeah, when I do, I, you know, I do dabble in other genres. I just, I have very particular things that I like and that I don't like. And it, so it takes a lot more editing to find them when I'm going outside of death metal. So like, but like I would say, favorite bands in that genre suffocation is my all time favorite. I love them. I guess, I don't know. There, there is something about, I guess, living here that you can hear in their music that you identify with.

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because they literally live right over here like they live near me um i i connected with them

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before i knew that because i'm like like slightly pre-internet where like you look

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everything up like there was some internet but i didn't necessarily utilize it i guess like everyone else did

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um so like they're probably my favorite um death tone is one of my favorite but i'm sorry we're in

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We're in death metal, right? Morbid Angel, obviously. And I was going to say this, but I have to say, you need to get, particularly I know George's shit on this before. You fucking need to give those post Dave Vincent albums, Formulas Fatal of the Flesh, Dayways to Annihilation, another listen. Was that like Steve Tucker? Yeah. They fucking rule. Well, you know, I, you're right.

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Because like that last album, Kingdoms of something or other. Disdain. Disdain. Was fucking awesome. I don't know who sang on it. Who sang on that? Tucker Stanger. All right. Well, see. Yeah, so. And then honestly, comparatively to those two, I feel like is weak to me. I feel like once Sandoval left, like the kind of the spirit of the band left too. Does that make sense? Yeah. It's just that I get annoyed when things change a lot with bands.

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I find a band, I like them, something changes, I'm like, all right, fine. And then something else changes and I'm like, no, no more, no more changing. I'm done. And I don't know, just something about that just didn't work for me. But you're probably right. I mean, so many things that I've shit on, I listened to later and I'm like, oh, this is actually pretty good. Of course. Those albums were really fucking big for me when I was, you know, cutting my teeth into death.

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Those are big. Decapitated, early decapitated, especially Nihility specifically. I probably shouldn't talk about that because I think I'm supposed to talk about that later. Oh, okay. Whatever. No, actually, you're going to be surprised. But no, no, it's not. But yeah, decapitated. I'm trying to think of who else I was really into back then. Diabolics, another one that people don't really talk about. They're a lot thrashier. They're a little sloppy, I guess, but they try to be technical.

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What I loved back in the day, which I still kind of hunt for, is I really like brutal death metal with some progression in it or some technicality in it. So, like, if you tell me it's a technical death metal band, I want it to either be, like, a brutal technical death metal band or a progressive technical death metal band. I don't like, like, just straight-up tech. Like, I was, again, like, that early decapitated, like, early origin records.

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Early Nile, I like that grittier Nile. The first two I feel like were really gritty. And then it just got a little bit too polished for me. But at the same side, I also fucking hate the new wave of this, like I'm in a well and I'm singing and you can barely hear me. I can't get into that shit either with death metal. I'm still particular in death metal. But then I also love black metal. I like very riffy black metal.

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Like, uh, Immortal is a big one for me. They're probably definitely like a top 10 band for me. Emperor, um, with all my issues with them. But Emperor, um, is definitely a big one too. Um, but I, I like, like the really riffy shit, you know? Um, that, that album that came out last year that, uh, I think it was called, like, I pronounced it Kevin because I think it just sounds funny when I pronounce it that way. But you know what I'm talking about? It's like K-V-A-E-N or some shit like that. It was a black metal album that came out. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like that.

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I was like this is the type of black metal that I like. I like this riffy shit that has some other like that more of like a speed to it I guess. I don't know. Not like an atmospheric melodic sort of thing. I like somewhat. I like the early Demi Bush year stuff. I fucking loved Old Man's Child. He's doing a new album finally. Yes. Yes he is. I'm super excited about it. Because he's like a fun. That guy's awesome black metal riff guy.

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He's just an awesome blackmail riff guy. And I feel like Demi Bougier at this point probably, like, I feel like they, like, have him where they want him and they're not going to let him do anything more than that. Because I feel like when you listen to Old Man's Child, you're like, this guy fucking rips. Why isn't he ripping, like, on Demi Bougier shit? Yeah, like the first two Old Man's Child albums? Oh, man. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I predict that we'll, I think Morda will get back together this, real soon here, is my guess. Yeah, with all their,

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There are various failures. Yeah, truly. I mean, yeah. Yeah. But I'm guessing. So to me, I feel like what you're, especially when you mentioned Immortal, you sound like a real Sons of Northern Darkness guy to me. Yes, that's probably, it's funny because like if someone were to tell me like, oh, what album should I listen to from Immortal? I would probably tell them At the Heart of Winter. However, Sons of Northern Darkness is my favorite, yes. Yeah. I mean, it's the riffiest one of all the riffiest ones. Yeah, and it also,

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Well, it dropped. It was one of those important ones that kind of dropped when I was like, it was new. That was the newest thing that I was able to get from them when I liked them. At an impressionable moment, it walked through the door. Totally. Last episode, we did our mid-year 2021 list. Is there anything so far this year that's really got you pumped? Well, you guys mentioned Ex Imperitus, which I'm happy about.

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I'm glad I made some lists because I think that's probably my favorite

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record so far this year

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that's definitely my number one

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yeah I really love it I just love it

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like I wish like that's what I wish

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Niall was still sounding like I wish

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they sounded like them where

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it's just like that little bit of extra

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shit in there to make it interesting but it's still

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super gritty and riffy and I don't know

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it just sounds huge too

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yeah and it's like

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weird like I haven't had the time

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There's a whole weird message behind it and philosophy with it and shit. I don't know. But that's really good. Who else have I been really high on from that? That Crypt Crawler, I think I mentioned it on one of your social media posts recently, but I love that shit. People have to give the first track a little bit of a break because it really sounds like a death ripoff. But get a little bit past that, and I promise it sounds fresh to me. I don't know. It sounds like they're doing it where they're

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They're not incorporating, they're mimicking in my ears, if that makes sense. And I feel like they incorporate it properly throughout the album. I really love that one. I haven't heard too many people. It's one of the few black metal ones that I'm really into, that Grima. I can't think so. I don't remember the name of the album. I don't think I wrote it down. My dog knocked my phone off my couch so I can't look.

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But yeah, no, that one's really good. I really like that Demiser album too. I haven't seen that one pop up too much. It's like a blackened thrash, I would say. Oh yeah, I remember. I wanted that. There's just some really good, awesome, again, I love, it's weird, it's like there's certain times where you look at certain instruments, but I feel like if you have a good riff for me, that's gonna hook me in, and then

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I'll pay attention to the other shit to like decide how much more I like it. And that just has a lot of really good riffs. It's just really catchy shit on there. Cool. Yeah. So what three albums? That's where we are. What three albums will help people understand you better as a person? Yeah. I kind of like blew up some of them already because I accidentally talked about them. Spoilers. Yeah. But anyways, yeah, I would say, so the, the, the,

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I got to see them. I didn't realize it until later on when I looked it up.

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Apparently, I saw them at their first ever US show in Brooklyn, which was cool. I saw them with, I think it was Incantation and Impaled, I want to say. That was awesome. And left lasting effect. I mean, it sucks that, you know, that lineup can never happen because, you know, I feel like he was one of the guys that really made me pay attention to drums more.

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I feel like for that time like him and Sandoval I feel like to me were like I would oh I was obsessed with them like just listening to their that part of of the music you know um and then so yeah so I'm very like regimented very OCD and I feel like that kind of is represented with something like you know a decapitated it's very precise and you know kind of frantic and then the other side of me is like whereas I do say that I do have a disdain for a lot of people I I try to be um

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A realistic optimist, I guess, in a way.

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As much as I maybe sometimes don't come across as that, I do like that.

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And one of the big bands, and again, it might make you cringe a little bit, but this is one of their earlier albums, Kill Switch Engage, Alive and Just Breathing.

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That was a really big album for me.

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It was, to me, like I, being from Long Island, you get exposed to a lot of the hardcore scene here, because it's New York hardcore. It's everywhere. It's literally everywhere. But they never were a part of that, at least around these parts. And they always played with the more mellow deaf bands. And that's kind of how the approach that I took from them. Literally, it's just those first two albums for me after that, that it just doesn't do it for me. I don't know if it's because the guy switched over, the main guy started writing more of the,

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I don't have time for that shit. That's just

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bullshit. Like, be realistic. Like, be like a normal person, right? Yeah. I like those early Killswitching kids. They have the original singer back with the band, I think, now. They do, but it's still not the same. I feel like they're writing for money. And, like, I'm not going to blame them for that. Those first two albums felt like what they were singing about, they actually, like, were experiencing and caring about. I'm not saying that they don't anymore, but I felt like you could really hurt it on those albums, whereas I don't necessarily hear that on some of the

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stuff. To me, it's kind of like feels a little bit too cut and paste at this point. Whereas I feel like those came from like a genuine, you know, place. Yeah. Well, it's interesting with those kind of bands, especially with like hardcore, like metalcore, those early bands, some of those albums are amazing. And then what happened is it just created this movement of like of bands you don't like. And those original bands seem to like go into that style too. It's like they created something and then became it. And they, what they did before that was way better.

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I remember seeing Shadows Fall in a basement show.

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Right, I love Shadows Fall.

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And they were playing a bunch of hardcore bands.

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Yeah.

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That and Dead Guys at the Decibel Metal and Beer Fest.

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And they only did the one album, and it's freaking awesome.

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But it was like the roots of metalcore.

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So people just lump it into metalcore.

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Yeah, I couldn't get into that.

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My stepbrother was very into that early metalcore stuff.

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Like the Zao and like

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On Earth and

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those type of bands. You know, just like the earlier

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stuff. So he used to

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drag me to shows a lot. So I saw a lot

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of ones that ended up being

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pretty big for, I guess, the scene

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at the time. Like Throwdown I remember seeing.

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Sworn Enemy.

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You remember them?

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I almost fought. I almost punched out

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so many fucking hardcore kids there.

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I'm like, you're not a real hardcore kid. You're a fucking

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Like, don't try to be hard to a fucking kid in a fucking dying fetish shirt. Are you kidding me? Like, you're going to try that shit? Like, I was about to fuck whatever. Again, like, this is, again, it's the Long Island attitude, but I'm really not an angry, it sounds like I'm an angry person, but I'm actually really not an angry person. I'm actually pretty shit. Well, I'm a little scared, actually. Well, good thing you're all the way in Hawaii. Justin, did you get into any, like, postcard court at all? Like, especially, more specifically, New York?

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Like if I threw out Orange 9mm? Aware of them, but not really, no. Okay, all right. Yeah. Where do you... It was one of those... Go ahead. No, no. Please finish that off. No, I was just going to say, it's one of those things where like, I like, you would think, again, being from New York, that I would be, you know, a little bit more into hardcore than I am. I like things that have that those, some of those hardcore elements or fundamentals in the music, like suffocation.

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has that hardcore groove in them. I mean, they literally like, you know, brought that, that chugging type of shit into, into death metal really. Um, and there are a couple other ones like that, that like, they have that little tinge to me, but I was never really in the hardcore scene, I would say. So again, I was aware of a lot of it, but I wouldn't say I necessarily followed a lot of it. How do you feel about typo negative? I love typo negative. Love them.

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All right, you can stay. Again, I live in fucking New York. Do you think I would have gone and saw the fucking typo negative? Yeah, you'd think. Yeah, and I didn't. I didn't get to see them. And I'm pretty sure they played with like Nevermore once too. And I'm like, I never got to see them either. And I'm like, what the fuck? And I'm never going to be able to see either of those again. That's what I mean. Like why I'm motivated to go to shows because it's like at the time I'm like, I love typo negative, but I don't want to go to, you know, the city on a Tuesday.

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I have work in the morning.

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Yeah.

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But I love Typo.

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I say October Rust.

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I would easily put that in my top 20 albums of all time.

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I love that record.

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October Rust.

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Yeah, totally.

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That and the one right after it.

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Those two were big for me.

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Life is killing me.

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No, the one.

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World Coming Down.

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World Coming Down.

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Sorry.

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Yeah.

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That shit was like I've never heard anything more depressing than this.

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I'm like this shit is so depressing I love it

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it was cool

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did you have a third one?

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did you?

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oh yeah my third one

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again I kind of blew it up a little bit

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but it's Suffocation Pierced From Within

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just because that was my record man

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I just

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when I came across

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I got

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I think I got It Did You First

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and I was really into it

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but then once I got that one in

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I was like fuck

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I'm like I love this

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this is my shit

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I've probably seen them the most

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I've any band

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I got to see them

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amazing show

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again

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that was one where I was like

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motivated to go

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I'm going to the city because it was one of Frank

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Mullen's last performances in New York.

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And it was them,

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Kyle Decapitation and Chrisian.

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And I'm like, fuck yeah.

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I'm like, I'm totally going to this.

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And it was an amazing show.

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And it was awesome.

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I love them.

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And I love that album.

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And every song on there is great to me.

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I don't know what else to say about it,

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but I love that shit.

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Awesome, man.

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Cool.

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Hey, while Jay is out,

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Can we all just refer to him as Jean for the rest of the night? I saw that, yeah. Jean Valjean. His name on there. Jean, what is your number five? Jean. But then Jean will be confused. True. He'll think we're going French on him. That's true. So, Justin, what made you reach out to me to talk about getting on the podcast? Okay. Yeah, so, you know, I, one of the things, you know,

00:51:20.740 --> 00:51:26.580
I love what you guys do and I like kind of in my own head being a part of a larger

00:51:26.960 --> 00:51:32.660
community conversation on certain things as they come up and I was just kind of looking like you know

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where and I've been thinking a lot because I've been getting back into metal so much more these past you know five some odd years just like where I kind of stand in the scene and one of the things I guess that's I don't know I'm not going to say unique to me but one of the things about me is I am a gay man I have a husband

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We've been married for six years. We've been together for 18. Yeah. So like we, we were kids when we got together and it was great. And, but one, but that was one of the things is that when I was kind of getting out of high school, getting into college, that's kind of when the, my sexual orientation became like a factor, I guess, you know, and it was one of those things where because of moving away,

00:52:19.940 --> 00:52:48.200
and going to school and all that kind of stuff and being in a relationship, I kind of needed to focus myself more on that side of myself. Because it's something that a lot of people in my community have to do later in life. And that's just the way this shit happens, you know. And I was thinking about, and while I was kind of away, I kind of, you know, I kind of found my place within the gay community.

00:52:48.720 --> 00:53:17.600
in terms of making friends and establishing long-term, healthy friendships with people in my community. And when I really decided I want to still get back into metal, I did that. But it was one of those things where because they were always a separate thing for me, because when I was in high school, it wasn't even there for me to consider addressing at the time. It wasn't like I was forcing it back.

00:53:18.760 --> 00:53:47.960
It's a very odd thing to describe to someone. I would say it's almost... Yeah, it's because you're... I'll kind of get into this a little bit more. I feel like I'll be able to explain it better then. But I always kind of kept the two separate. And now that I'm in a point in my life where I'm just a little bit more mature, I see my priorities and the things that mean a lot to me. And I'm also, again, I'm one of those people who I like to have a lot of context to things.

00:53:48.020 --> 00:54:17.600
So I like to kind of compare things to each other. And I, going back into the metal scene, I see that there are so many similarities between the communities. And yet I still see that there's an issue between the two communities and you see it pop up in social media. It always pops up occasionally and there's always some reason behind it and all that kind of shit. And, and I had perspective on it. You know, I feel like I had perspective from both sides.

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And I'm like, you know what? I'm like, this is a perfect opportunity for me to like, at least bring something to you guys instead of just being a metalhead fan, I guess, you know? So I figured it was just something that I, and again, I'm not speaking. I don't have any sort of, you know, gay authority of any sort. I don't, I don't speak for, I don't speak for the larger community at all. These are my own feelings and perspectives. I feel I'm a, again, I mentioned briefly, I moved around a lot as a kid and I feel as a kid.

00:54:46.580 --> 00:55:16.560
And one of the things I feel like I got from that, like as maybe like a coping mechanism, is I became a very observant person. I'm the type of person where when I'm in a room, I might be talking to someone and looking at them, but I'm also focusing on like three or four other people. I think it comes along with that and also being a game in, you kind of always be aware of your surroundings. So it kind of, you see how people react to things and you have a perspective of like, all right, I see that they're like kind of coming from this way, but if they just

00:55:16.580 --> 00:55:45.180
understood where this person was coming from. They may change their way of thinking. And that's all I could hope for because, you know, until we live in a society that's not filled with tribalism and indoctrination, I'm always going to have an issue in life. I've come to terms with that. It's fine. I have way less issues than a lot of other people that are in my community. I am kind of lucky enough in some aspects.

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But that doesn't necessarily mean that, you know, I feel like there's, there can't be room for improvement. And I don't necessarily think that it takes a whole lot of change or energy for people to maybe see that a little bit clearer. I feel like things, you know, I feel like things nowadays get very skewed with the internet and things being online and things being taken out of context and, you know, real issues versus,

00:56:16.539 --> 00:56:45.860
which I feel like are two kind of different things in a way and they kind of get lumped together and they shouldn't be like I'm a gay man and that shouldn't be a political statement like that that's that there should be no politics behind that and unfortunately there is and I feel like it that because it gets politicized it kind of skews people's views towards LGBT people yeah when you when you came to me with these

00:56:45.880 --> 00:57:15.560
these thoughts. I was like, I really want to hear about this. This is something that I really wanted to delve into and to bring to the podcast. So thank you for doing that. Can I make a comment and ask a question? Sure. The comment is this. It is an interesting, the gay community has a very interesting, or I think it's the reverse. The metal community has a very interesting and I think shaky relationship with the gay community in some ways. I was really surprised. I follow some Judas Priest,

00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:45.780
bullshit fan page thing on Facebook and somebody was reading Rob Helford's book and they were like, yeah, it's pretty good, but he's just talking about being gay the whole time. And I was like, dude, that's what the book is about. So shut the fuck up. I mean, because he really talks about his experience. And so that was really weird to me. I hadn't seen a homophobic and it did strike me as homophobic comment. And, and yet, and yet I think the generations beneath us, like I speaking of Rob Helford, when he came out, if he had come out in the eighties, I honestly think it would have been a different reaction than when he did come out because we'd come a long way.

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We have.

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I'll get into that too,

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because there is a certain little caveat to what you just said about,

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especially with someone like,

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like Halford.

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Cool.

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And please pursue that.

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But my other thing is though,

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let me stick in.

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My question is simply this.

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I've never,

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we've never gotten to ask one of our listeners this,

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and that is,

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does your husband like metal?

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No.

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Join the club.

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No,

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he does not.

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He gets down with,

00:58:14.880 --> 00:58:44.860
He gets like our common ground is 90s alternative because that's where we both came up. That was on the radio. So we can get down with that. He has learned to respect my music. I have learned to respect some of his music and at least not shit talk the rest of it. Tolerate it. Surely you've heard us have this conversation before though, correct? I mean, I'm sure if you've listened to the pod, you know that we are all, for the most part, our spouses do not care about

00:58:44.900 --> 00:58:50.800
So that was interesting to hear that. A couple of anomalies. One of the

00:58:51.020 --> 00:58:54.820
Soin albums, the one with Lucidity on it, I don't remember the name of it. He likes that

00:58:54.870 --> 00:58:56.560
for some reason. I don't know why.

00:58:58.660 --> 00:59:01.000
That's kind of a crossover type of a band.

00:59:01.280 --> 00:59:03.120
It's very chill. Very rocky.

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So have you found that there's much homophobia in the metal scene

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from your perspective?

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So this is kind of like, there is, I don't feel like there's a yes or no to this answer. Like I kind of said before, I feel like there's always going to be homophobia in society in general. I mean, it's just not something that's really going to go away. Unfortunately, it's just not. I'm like, and I think a lot of that has to do with, and again, I get like very like existential with certain topics like this, but like,

00:59:42.460 --> 01:00:12.440
To me, our society in general does not have a very healthy relationship with sexuality in general. And I feel like there is that Kinsey scale. I feel like that's a real thing. And I feel like people might fall on it, but because they're told that they have to be one way or the other, they have to fight it. And when they fight it, it becomes more of a

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That's where it comes at it. So it's, there's a lot, there's a lot there on the surface with, with that. But in terms of being in the metal community, it's, it's, it's a hard thing. I'm trying to trying to put it into perspective. I had notes too. Um, but homophobia metal. Yes, it's, it's, it is there. It is there. And it's one of those things where you don't necessarily realize

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it. And so you kind of peel back certain aspects.

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And I think a good indicator of this is what happened with... Do you guys remember the guy Roddy, the guy from... Oh, Faith No More.

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Faith No More. Yeah. Roddy Bottom, there you go.

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A couple months ago they put out

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a video

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and

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one of the shit rag

01:01:11.260 --> 01:01:12.540
metal zines

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posted about it. Now

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it's one of those things where

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they're kind of baiting you because

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they know it's going to get a negative

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reaction but the fact

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of the matter is that there's a negative reaction

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because

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it's sexual and I

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think that

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kind of

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being gross, like saying that it's gross or like, oh, I don't like this.

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And oh, this isn't like this sucks. It's not metal. It's not supposed to be metal. Like it's not supposed to be metal. It's supposed to be

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two people creating music together and they're talking about their sexuality. Whereas like sexual orientation, we've come a long way with.

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I think that's what I was trying to get at. Like we've come a long way with being accepting of people's sexual orientation.

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And people think that just because we now have gay marriage, that means that we're cool. And we don't have to necessarily, no one has to do anything else to appease us and, you know, stop trying to shove it down our throat. But the fact of the matter is, is that you still need to hold people a little bit more accountable.

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It's as if the Emancipation Proclamation did away with racism.

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It's not even close to how that shit works.

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And it's one of those things where you see these things and it's not blatant.

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Because again, they're like, oh, I don't have any problem with that, but I don't want to see that.

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And it's like no one's forcing you to see that.

01:02:46.400 --> 01:02:48.440
So why do you feel the need to denigrate it?

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Because what that does is it shows that people who are in the metal community that are LGBT, that when they go to shows, they have to make sure that no one really knows what they are. Because they may not feel safe. Right. And, uh, dude, I'm suddenly thinking of, and I'm quite serious and I really like feel open-minded about this. I mean, I, well, we all live around, um, the gay community is much more visible now, obviously though. I live near San Francisco. So it's, you know, I work with so many gay people.

01:03:18.780 --> 01:03:25.400
on things. But it really does strike me suddenly that not unlike systemic racism, there is systemic homophobia.

01:03:26.420 --> 01:03:30.940
Like that strikes me as like a thing I've never really put my mind to, but absolutely, for sure.

01:03:31.740 --> 01:03:43.740
Yeah, it exists. It's one of those things, too, where like you have to realize that like they're like, again, I present as a more I would say I present as a more masculine gay man.

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And it's, it's, again, I don't, I'm a pretty big guy. I'm 6'1". I'm like, you know, I'm like 240. Like, I'm not like, you know, I'm not a little wavy. I'm not, you know, not someone who like, you automatically think that. And it, it's one of those things where like, I don t necessarily have to worry about my safety when I go to a show. However, if I really want to feel like I'm a part of the community, what I notice is some of the shows that I've been going to, especially when I go like by myself, you know, you always strike up conversations with people, you know?

01:04:13.900 --> 01:04:43.880
And you get to a point where you have to decide if you're going to kind of edit the way you speak about your personal life or if you're going to just talk about it. And that's what I'm talking about when I say that there's still homophobia in metal is because you, I still don't feel necessarily if I'm talking to a stranger at a show and I'm by myself, I don't necessarily feel comfortable revealing the fact that I'm a game

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And that, you know, eventually, if you're talking to someone long enough, those type of things come up.

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Yeah.

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So it really comes down to, you know, making making the bands a little bit more accountable or aware and making the fans a little bit more accountable and aware.

01:05:04.060 --> 01:05:09.220
Like you just you shouldn't be so presumptive when it comes to this stuff.

01:05:09.600 --> 01:05:38.840
And by showing your support a little bit more by calling out people that are obviously doing something that's slightly homophobic, it helps. It does help because it makes people realize that they're going to be held accountable. And it's going to make people realize that they can feel good about going to these shows and not have to worry about their safety. And just feel like a part of the community. One of the things that I feel like I want people to kind of, again, put it into context to kind of help.

01:05:40.680 --> 01:06:09.260
Relay how a person an LGBT person feels. It's it comes from a very again like an emotionally stunted place. So if you remember like when you were a teenager and I'm sure a lot of these a lot of this happened with you guys where like you felt you probably felt like you were isolated that no one understood who you were that you were kind of you know free falling maybe you were rebelling against a conservative.

01:06:09.580 --> 01:06:15.400
or religious family or whatever, and you found your place in metal and you're like, I found my place.

01:06:15.760 --> 01:06:18.420
I found my people like this is awesome.

01:06:18.980 --> 01:06:20.960
I feel like I'm finally a part of something.

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That feeling of being alone is still there for a gay person like threefold.

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If your life is actually like privileged in a way, like how like I would consider myself privileged.

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I grew up in a place and I know that's like a trigger word and I and it's kind of douchey.

01:06:39.260 --> 01:06:43.020
I really don't like using it that much but I feel like it's legit it's a genuine

01:06:43.520 --> 01:06:52.240
referral in this in this instance where um I grew up I I again I I'm I act like this I am the same

01:06:52.700 --> 01:06:57.300
person I feel like in terms of how I present myself and how I act as I was when I was a teenager

01:06:57.340 --> 01:07:09.220
there are other people that haven't and you go through it a very there's a there's a a thing where you're you're supposed to be expressing that when you're younger right and when you don't and you kind of um hold that back you you

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That feeling of isolation that no one understands you and you kind of have that low self-worth. A lot of gay people bring that into their adult lives. It's there. It exists. And they cope with it in different ways. And simple acts of acknowledging acceptance from people in the metal community and people in the actual

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It does make a difference. It really does. Like, um, uh, since I know how to say the name and I just, it just did kind of sang with Suga bog. There you go. Right. Um, they apparently just left, which sucks, but one of the guitars it identifies is like, you know, basically like being part of the community and they basically made a statement that says, we want people to know that this show, if you are,

01:08:09.220 --> 01:08:35.240
A person of color, trans, gay, lesbian, we have your back. We want you to be here to enjoy your shows and to feel like you're in a spot where you can do that and feel safe. Again, I don't need a band to start talking about how much they love Dick. I don't like to feel like they're supporting me. But you like this podcast. That's all we talk about.

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Statements like that really help people feel like they're a part of this community that's supposed to be for people who don't feel like they're a part of the larger picture and feel that isolation and feel that. And it's just it's it's to me there's a lot of easiness to it. And there's so many similarities. Like you don't understand like in the gay community like just like sub genres. There are literally sub genres of gay of like different physical attributes of gay men. Like it's like it's crazy. Bears.

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Yeah, I mean, that's what I identify. I'm in the bear community. And I know that sounds stupid to people who don't understand what that means. I think everybody knows that one, though. I'll be honest, I think. Right. Yeah. But do they know, like, the fact that, like, in the bear community, there are different terminologies for different types of bears? Well, that's just OCD. Come on. I mean, that's pretty much how metal is, too. Yeah, there's otters, there's cubs, there's fucking...

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Otters, yeah, they're like skinny bears, essentially. It gets ridiculous. It really just comes down to this was a response. This is like a punk rock response to the general gay community of like, we are not washboard ab Calvin Klein models. Not monolithic. Absolutely. You know, this thing keeps occurring to me. And it is funny because this was so different in the 80s. And for those of us who are old and in the 70s,

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And even in the 90s, I saw a very interesting interview with Dee Snider from Twisted Sister one time, Long Island Boy. My mom dated his brother. And she was like, oh yeah, he was a fucking weirdo. No one talked to him. Dee? Dee was the weirdo? I saw this great interview with him and it was not, it had no homophobic bent. In fact, it was very self-effacing. And he said, you know, it's real interesting when I think about it. He said that, and this, so this harkens back to the 80s. And he said, it's the 80s.

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They had like the hair metal bands and he mistakenly lumps twisted his sister in with them but he says and here we are up on stage dressed as women with all these biker guys coming to watch these guys dressed as women and stuff like that and then he kind of got deep down into this and he said a few more comments I can't remember what they were except that he said somebody should look into this and I've always loved that he was just like yeah there was there was a lot of strange tamp down expression taking place in the 80s and he really kind of turned the light on that to me.

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As a gay man, I love the fact that, you know, metalheads who probably, you know, some of them that aren't maybe as progressive are dressing up in fucking leather and shit to go to shows. Meanwhile, it's like, this is from a leather daddy. Like you, you picked up the decor of a leather daddy. Like, yeah, you know, that's awesome. Yeah. You know, I have seen, oh, go ahead. No, no. So I have seen a lot more bands like talk about inclusion, you know, like a chemist.

01:11:36.880 --> 01:12:06.860
actually wearing the shirt now they've been posting a lot about that about how you know anybody who comes to their shows regardless of race or sexual orientation or anything you know is invited to come to their show as and if you if you don't believe in or subscribe to that just fuck off and i appreciate that yeah that's basically my whole spiel for the metal community in general and it's sad that it's not the utopia that i think

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is.

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But to me, the metal community is for everybody, open to everybody.

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You know, we're in a sense, and I don't want to imply that, but to me, metal is the island of misfit toys.

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You don't have to be broken to be there, but everybody, anybody can be there.

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It doesn't matter who you are, what you are, what color you are, who you love, even Republicans, if they can be nice.

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You should have to hide who you are to enjoy metal. Exactly. I think one of the things that keeps sparking, at least for me, like the conversation of this homophobia in metal is honestly it's linked to, again, I know you guys have discussed it a bunch before and it's on the forefront all the time, but it's the NSVM bullshit. It's the I'm okay with listening to people

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who have ideals that align more with Nazis instead of saying, you know what, fuck you, because you would probably want to kill a lot of the people that I do respect. And that's what I'm saying. There's that weird line where it's like, no, I'm okay with listening to Nazi metal instead of not listening to Nazi metal because, again, cancel culture, I'm not about that. If someone said something like 2015, 10, even years ago,

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that is questionable. I don't think they should be cancelled. However, I do feel like, you know what? Fucking own it. Talk about where you were then. Talk about how you've changed now. Because if you don't, then I'm going to assume that you're okay with whatever you said. That you're okay with that. And that the people that are still listening to you are okay with that. And that, again, you might not be, but you're allowing that shit to be okay by being okay with it. Does that make sense?

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Yeah. Like it's, it's like, it's okay to make a mistake and own it and, and, and be better. But if you don't admit the mistake, then you're denying that you made one. But you know, this actually often on this show, because we'll learn something about a band that we don't like something, a fact about them. We don't like, we had a very detailed discussion about this when we talked to the author of the USBM. And it was a really thoughtful conversation. I mean, none of us,

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came down hard anywhere he's just like listen whatever the fuck you want to but you do have to make a decision inside of yourself which by the way i think for most of us we're usually like okay that's enough of them yeah whatever it is right and again it goes back to i i i get that and i'm not going to give people shit really for that however if i if someone makes a statement that there's homophobia in metal and you're saying no there's not because i'm cool with gay people but you're listening to nazi music and you're allowing people you're allowing that

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That to me says you don't care. Like you really actually don't give a shit. You just are kind of skating the line a little bit too much for me for my days. Like for instance, this is this is again something that I struggle with because like again, I told you I was a huge huge emperor fan. This came up again for me because they had that big huge streaming thing. And at one point I was like, I really care. I'm just gonna watch it. But then I was thinking about it. I'm like, you know what? No, that motherfucker Faust stabbed a

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you stabbed a fucking person 37 times and killed them because they were gay. And he's like, well, I was young. And if it was anyone else, it would have been. No, you picked out a gay person because you know that they are more vulnerable and that people don't give a shit about them more. That's why you chose a gay person. So you stabbed someone 37 times and you're still haven't even thought it was even respectable to be like, oh,

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Oh, well, you know, this is where I was. I'm sorry. I'm not like that anymore. I apologize, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Again, then I wouldn't give a shit. And I'm like, all right, whatever. Fine. Do your thing, dude. Like you fucked up, make amends, call out other homophobic bullshit, like whatever. But I'm not going to spend money on you. And the fact that they, his name is a banner on a sell it as a selling point to this show. It's kind of like, wow, Mike, they don't give a shit about the fact that there are gay people.

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people that are fans of emperor like they don't care yeah that's interesting well first of all i doubt you

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oh no i shouldn't speak on your behalf that that's a pretty big fuck up no matter of the

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ideology 37 times you know what i mean like you're not going to talk your way out of that one with me

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probably but um did you did you watch that uh the movie oh i did yeah i don't quite remember that part

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like oh it's brutal oh that is brutal i know it's brutal yeah yeah yeah i read about it too i read i read the

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Yeah, a long time ago.

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Yeah.

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The question was neither here nor there, but both that and the murder scenes were just brutal.

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They were.

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And the suicide.

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And the suicide.

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And so though he hasn't owned this, so I guess that's the point in any case.

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Well, the section is the same.

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It's a hard thing to talk yourself.

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Honestly, I don't care about the section as much.

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I don't care about the section as much because the guy's dead.

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Yeah.

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So it's like, you know what I mean?

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And it's like, I understand like people, you can, at least you're not, you're not propagating his like brand by, by listening to dissection because the fucking guy's dead. I mean, I hope do, do I, in some way hope that he felt, um, as maybe some of the same discomfort he gave to the person he murdered because they were gay when he killed himself? Maybe a little bit, but maybe that's just me being a cynical asshole. And that's, that's, I guess. No, no, no, no. I don't think so. I mean, they're, they're tough. It's funny for me though.

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I always come to this place and I know we're talking about very specific

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expressions here or you know

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sins that people have committed against

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others these terrible things they've done

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I don't mean that in a religious sense

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but I always just end up on the fence

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there's 8 million metal bands

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I can find another one to listen to

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you know what I mean

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I had a friend or not a friend

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Trump was recently quoted as saying

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Trump is your friend

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no something about Hitler

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and forget it doesn't have to be trump i'm not trying to be political but some i've heard people in the past say you say what you will but the other you get shit done and i'm always like you can find a better example dude there are a lot of people in history who could get shit done so shut the fuck up yeah anyway at the expense of a lot of other people though so justin do you have um you know other gay friends who are into metal that you you talk about uh this with or no i i did connect and i think that's also why i felt like it you know it's good to kind of speak up there i definitely have uh you know there's a lot of social media groups specifically for people like me

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where it is basically gay metalheads. Is it redundant and it doesn't necessarily need to be there? Kind of. It's nice to connect on things. When it comes down to it, metal isn't about sexual orientation. It's just not. It's about the love of music. That's really all it is. Just treat us like shit. We'd love to see music as you like. That's really all

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Yeah. So like, um, there's a lot of like, I'm in a lot of groups like that, but I wouldn't say there's anything like prolific that differently about any other, you know, fan page site that you're on, you know, where you're just posting videos and shit like that. Um, and then I made, I made some friends through there. There's a, uh, one dude I actually haven't met yet is actually from around here, but he's further out West. Uh, he's actually an artist. He does a lot of blackmail covers. It's cool. Well, I would say one thing that would be different though. And again, I shouldn't speak to your experience, but it eliminates

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that, when will this come into the conversation later thing that you were talking about at shows, where it's like sooner or later you talk to somebody, you're going to, and you don't have to worry about that in that group. So that's, so at least that's different, the comfort level. Yeah. And I, and I connected with, I actually have a friend who's, you know, a little younger than me, um, in the bear community. Um, and he is into like a lot of, a lot. So a lot of, um, the, the, the people I talk to, there's, there's a little bit of overlap in the music. So in other words, there, a lot of them are,

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There's a very big

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queer community within the noise scene,

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which is kind of adjacent.

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There's a few other

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little scenes like that that are a little bit more

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accepting, I guess, so that you

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find a lot more fans of that in

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these metal groups.

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My one friend that I found,

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it was like a miracle because

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usually they live in fucking Croatia

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or some shit like that. I'm never going to actually meet these people

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in real life, but he actually

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lives like 15 minutes away and he hangs out

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all the fucking time and it's cool and he likes all the same shit I do he's just not like he doesn't consume it like I do so like even though he's there I'm like I want you to talk to me about this fucking album can you listen to it already like so you can talk about it thanks you know that type of shit yeah you need a podcast yeah many people do that it is rare it is it is it is rare to find others and even find others that you know that there could they could be there but sometimes you don't know which is fine because it just means that you know I guess it's

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But it would be cool if someone went there and was with their husband and they were slightly like closer together with each other than a man and a woman who are a couple that are there. You know what I mean? Like it would be cool to be able to like recognize that and like be like, all right, that's cool. Like there are other people like me here. Well, you know, I know Matt knows this because he's been to Valken like a million times. But I remember being at Valken, walking towards the infield.

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and seeing dudes in leather shorts and whatever, holding hands and skipping to the infield. And I'm like, fuck yeah. I mean, I've said this a bunch of times, but to me, Wacken was so awesome because it's like this melting pot of everybody. It was like openly gay people, black people, Asian people, everybody. That's metal to me. It made me cry.

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Well, one of the things, too, is why, you know, why you maybe you don't see as many gay people like where they'll come out. Because, again, there's certain people like me who's just like, is it worth my energy to, like, kind of come out of the closet to a stranger? I don't know. But a lot of it, there's also, there's a lot of internalized homophobia in the community. And especially in some of the groups that I was previously in, where they, anything that had

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to do with like again like being sexual they're all like oh no oh that's that's what why do

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that why do that it's like because this is a place for gay people like it's okay to do that it would be the

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same as if you were to post i don't know a fucking white snake video like what the fuck like

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calm the fuck down you know what i mean like ew look at her rolling on the hood of that car so gross right

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so there's a lot of internalized homophobia because it's one of those things where again i go with that

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I was talking about. There are different routes I see that people take. A little bit of each is healthy, but there are some that aren't. A lot of it is when you come out of the closet and you don't have a bad experience. Everyone's like, okay, that's cool. If you were repressing something, you might be like, you know what? Everyone's cool, so I'm just going to act like this the whole time. Even though I want to express myself more, but I'm fearful of expressing myself further.

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because this is where people have accepted me. This is their line. You know what I mean? And sometimes you can come out to someone and they'll be okay with it to a point and then they're not. So a lot of gay, especially gay bear metalheads, which yes, is a thing. They were in the thousands, which I was shocked about. But a lot of them were super, you could tell, had a lot of very much internalized homophobia. And unfortunately, that's one of the symptoms you get when you have to repress yourself.

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So like, and again, this also speaks to something in general, but like, I hear a lot like, why, especially during the month of June, why is all this pride shit going on? Why are they shoving it down our throat? Why do my kids have to see this? It's like, this isn't for you. This is for your kids, because you might be a raging asshole and your kid might be gay. And this is so that they know that they can step outside of that issue and be okay and not have to kill themselves. That's why there are pride flags everywhere.

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It's totally out of the blue here. Did anybody ever tell you you look like Matt Damon? You look like Matt Damon from... Bear Damon. Look from his nose up. No, I see it. I see it. Totally. If you shaved, I see it. Maybe. I guess. If Matt Damon was from Long Island. I can't unsee it now, so fuck.

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from an ever-ending story. Nice! Wait. Yeah. Sebastian? Sebastian, yeah. I was thinking of Matreju. That's an awesome movie. And that scene is still traumatic. That scene's traumatized from that horse scene. Oh, I know. You've got to keep trying. Swamps of sadness. Yeah. I remember there was some scumbag lawyer character in The Simpsons, and he would always refer to his previous cases, and one of them was his suit against the

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any story.

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I think you could figure it out on your own.

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It was like,

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you know,

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false advertising or something.

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Yeah.

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So what's a mindset that you would like more metal heads to adopt when interacting in this situation?

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Obviously rule number one is don't be a fucking dick.

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Don't be.

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Here,

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here's the thing.

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And this is again,

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and I think that's,

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that kind of,

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uh,

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um,

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set.

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That's kind of like a,

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you know,

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obviously a no brainer when it comes to that.

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One thing that I think people just need to realize is that like,

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We don't necessarily want, and by we I just mean like, I know I've heard people talk about this to me or in a public forum, and also I also totally understand what they're talking about because I would feel the same way. No one wants, no one who's there that's in the LGBT community, no one there wants you to go up to them and be like, oh, hey, you're gay, that's cool. Like, let's be friends. Like, no one wants that. Like, oh, hey, you're a trans person? I'm really, you're so brave that you're here.

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No one wants to hear that shit. They just don't. Because what you're doing is you're still calling it out. It's not an important thing. All it really stands for is that you just need to be respectful of them and that you don't give a shit where they put their private parts. Literally, that's all you need to worry about. But if you interact with them and talk to them like they're a regular person who's a fan of metal that you can click with, it will make an infinite amount of difference to someone who will then feel like they are

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a part of something. Because there are a lot of people that come in and they go right back out because they just don't, they can't get what they buy. I'm fully willing to admit that I've had the, and I'm going to, it's a parallel to white guilt. And I believe it, this was many years ago. And I work and live with so many gay people now that it's just second nature to me, or at least it doesn't, I think I have assimilated my feelings about all that very well. But I do remember saying to one time somebody, and they, and I didn't

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I know they were gay. I also have terrible gaydar in a lot of cases. Somebody said to me, they said, oh, well, I'm gay. They told me. This was my reaction. I said, oh, well, that's great. That was the dumbest fucking thing. I would never say that to anybody. Good for you. I'm sure that was 20 years ago. Honestly, that's a fine reaction for back then. I always say this to people. There was a time when I would be out with my husband.

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We would be out somewhere and we'd be in a regular bar when we were going to a gay bar or anything like that. And there would be people there that, you know, and I've learned this technique where I just duck out and I'm just like, oh, I got to pee, bye. And I just like fucking duck out and I leave whoever's there in the dust and they have to deal with this drunk person. But for a long time, there was these drunk people that would just come stumbling over and be like, hey, just want to let you know, I think it's really cool that you're gay.

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And then they start asking questions. That's them just trying to make themselves feel better. Well, here's the thing. This was earlier on. This was before gay marriage, right? I was perfectly happy with educating people on and making them realize that there's nothing, there's not really that whole bunch of difference between people. However, it's fucking 2021. If you have questions, just fucking Google it.

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Let me ask you this. Were you married in Long Island? Is that where you got married? Yeah, I got married over here too, yeah. When did it become legal in New York? I think 2012, I think. Wow, it's been that long. Yeah. We were engaged for like six years before it was even legal. It was crazy. It's crazy when I look back on it.

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It's a long way. And it's awesome. But like, you know, I didn't, when I was younger, I didn't think that we were actually going to get married in our lifetime, especially when I was young. I just lost, you know, we have a lot of pets because that's what gay guys do. They have animals. So I have a dog that you may have been hearing whimpering in the background. Has he been? Yeah, a little. No, no, no. I thought it was mine. Yeah. Yeah, no, he's a rescue. And he is,

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He doesn't do well with I don't know what happened to him if he got like abused or something and he he gets very nervous around this time of year with fireworks and lightning and this past a couple weeks he's like shell shocked so he's just like yeah freaking out so anyways I had we had a cat that we got and we just put him down a few months ago he was 16 so we got him like right in the beginning of our relationship and we named him Riley Delez because at that point we didn't think that our names would

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actually be able to be hyphenated. So they're like, hey, wouldn't this be fucking cool if we got a cat and we named it my last name and your last name? So something living has our shared name. You know what I mean? RV for short. What's that? RV for short. Well, then it became Riley Riley Velez once we got married, I guess. But yeah, no, it's, you know, we have come a long way. Yeah. I mean, I remember.

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You're not an 80s kid, you're a 90s kid, but I remember in the 80s, with no malice whatsoever, but we used to call everything gay. Yeah. Well, we were homophobic. I was homophobic as a kid, there's no question about it. But I mean, we also used to make fun of each other for jerking off, dude, to be like, he jerks off. Yeah. Well, I never made a connection between going, oh, that's so gay, and actual gay people. It was just something you said in the 80s. It was like, gag me with a spoon, and that's so gay. I mean, I'm not gonna lie. I still say it, but I'm also,

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I guess it's like one of those things where I'm allowed to. Right. You know, like you're not allowed to. Yes. You get to walk around and go, that is gay. That is gay. I mean, I grew up in a small town, and you kind of did too, George. I mean, I was 20 before I met the first person who I knew was gay. In high school, I worked at KFC with a trans dude. In high school? Yeah.

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Well, I mean, he wasn't from my high school, but he worked where I worked. And so, I mean, I worked in Ann Arbor, which is basically the gay capital of the Midwest. So I've heard that. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, you know, gay was never, despite it being Michigan, gay was never a thing for me or I mean, it's just about Ann Arbor. Yeah. University of Michigan, man. Super gay. Okay. So, I mean, it was very open in Ann Arbor and, you know, it was just,

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It's like, yeah, whatever. So. I can't, I'm, and we're not done here, but I've enjoyed this conversation, actually, and I'm glad, I'm glad. This is so interesting, man, because for one thing, I'm always looking for ways I can improve my own kind of attitude about things, but. Yeah, and again, it's. It's been a really cool perspective. Well, I appreciate that, and like, again, it comes down to like, I'm not, listen, I'm not, I'm not like, being like, everyone's homophobic, like, do all of this, do all these things. It's like, just,

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All it is is just be conscious of how you treat, how you just don't assume things out of people. And it's cool. Treat everyone with mutual respect. It's cool. And realize that other people might not and just be like, hey, dude, don't be a fucking asshole. Yeah, that's pretty much the universal rule. Don't be an asshole. I think about all the times each of us meet someone who is also a metalhead whom we don't know.

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whether it's a t-shirt or you're at a show or you know they mention

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something i mean i feel like with a lot of those people i meet i feel like an instant

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connection like sure brothers or we are brothers and sisters depending on it and that's the way it

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should be across the board i mean there should never be anything about anything other than you know

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like i am matt you are justin right you know if you're in the fucking pit if you're in the pit

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family yeah and and somebody goes down you don't stop and go before you pick them up you don't go

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You're gay? Right. If you're gay, if you're not gay, I'll pick you up. You know, if somebody goes down in the pit, you pick them up. Doesn't matter what color they are, anything. That's metal. Yeah. Justin, you brought up a good point. I have two kids and we, it's one of those things like we don't pound these things over their head, but at the same time, we make them aware that there are people who are different than us and we accept them no matter what. Yeah.

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No, our daughter even goes to school with a person who was, she was, I don't remember if it was a boy trans transitioning to a girl or vice versa, but like, that's a normal part of her life as it should be. Like, it's, it's not something that needs to be like, yes, it's discussed, but it's like, that's what people do. I mean, it's a normal part of life.

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I love that stuff that we've had to necessarily learn, but adjust to because of the people that raised us, that the kids coming up now, all this stuff is just the norm for them. And that's just what they know. And I think that's going to be a really healthy thing for the future.

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Yeah, it's one of those things where like, you know, my,

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but we have a really close, uh,

01:35:42.700 --> 01:35:45.680
two really close friends that we've run since like high school. Uh,

01:35:45.880 --> 01:35:49.260
my husband's name is Brian. Um, and, uh,

01:35:49.760 --> 01:35:53.040
they have two kids and one of them's like five, I think. And,

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and she's like, uh, she was questioning because we were going to one of our mutual friends who also is gay wedding.

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She's like, Oh, who's getting married? And, and the little girl asked. And,

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and she's like, uh, she's like, Oh, David and Mike are getting married. And she's like,

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but there are two boys. She's like, yeah, two boys and two,

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two boys can get married if they want to. She's like, oh, really? Oh, okay. And that was it. There's no other fucking conversation that needs to happen. This pisses me off when I hear like, well, how do I explain to my kids? You don't have to explain anything unless you're a shitty parent who doesn't feel the need to explain anything to their kids. Yeah, kids just get it. They just accept what you tell them. I mean, my kids, we're a blended family. So my kids come from, you know, they have a dad, they have me, they have their mom, they have a stepmom. I mean,

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It doesn't. And they also know that it's like, you can have two dads. You can have two moms. It doesn't fucking matter. You know, we all love each other. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah. It'd be good if other people were like this all together. I know, right? You put just fucking assholes. I don't know. Yeah. Before we go any further, George, I want to just clarify one thing. You mentioned about the two guys skipping and holding hands at Vodka. I can tell you right now, that's nothing new. You don't have to go to Vodka.

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I used to see that all the times a kid growing up in San Francisco. Oh yeah, of course. And frankly, it shouldn't have been something that stuck out to me. But it was the skipping mostly that stuck out. It drew the attention anyway. You were drawn to the hot pants, don't lie. I mean, come on. Listen, and it's okay to notice something that's out of context, right? I mean, it's fine. I remember when I used to go to Lemores,

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There was this one woman, I don't remember her name, she's probably dead by now because she was really, really old and she would wear like fishnet things and she would come to these shows and she'd wear like wigs and stuff and everyone knew her and she was super cool, but it was like you couldn't not notice the fact that there was like a 70-year-old woman in like fishnets and a wig. Like you're going to notice that, obviously. She's drawing attention to herself just by being there. Right.

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But that doesn't mean you can't be cool with them. Exactly. We were so cool with them. Like, she was cool. Like, we were like, she's awesome. There's a guy who comes to the shows here, and he goes to every fucking show, and he's got long hair, but he can't give up the fact that he's gone bald on top, so he does this sweep over thing. And it's brutal. And he's also just kind of a nerd and shit and stuff, but he's, like, sweet and stuff. And I don't know him at all except to say that he's that guy. That's what we call him. So, like, if I go to a show and a friend of mine didn't come to the show, I'd be like,

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That guy there. So some just pointed out that yes, things stand out, you know, and you're sort of like, oh, that's a little different for this group or whatever it is. Jay, we have a guy, George. I don't know if I ever told you about him. You might have met George from the hills. Have you ever told you about him? I don't know if I've told you about him. Oh, no, no, I don't think so. There's a guy. No, no, I'm asking George if I haven't mentioned it to him before. I thought you were going to talk about Crazy Mike. Oh, there's Crazy Mike, yeah. And there's Chicken Man, but. Oh, well, Chicken Man. Around here, yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah, there's this guy that I would see just up and down the eastern seaboard at shows called George of the Hills and TR, the metalheads butler. We'll know who I'm talking about. They'd just be somewhere and all of a sudden he'd be stopping on my shoulder and he'd just lean over and say, dude, George is here. George of the Hills. And I'm like, oh no. The dude in the big yellow chicken suit. And he gets in the... I'm talking about this. There's a different guy. His name is George of the Hills. Oh, different. He's this gigantic dude, big bushy beard, big

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I thought you were talking about chicken guy. No, no, that's another person I'm saying. There's also chicken man. Justin, I have to tell you that one of the most revealing and disappointing parts of this interview to me has been that your husband doesn't like metal because I'm like, well, there's no fucking hope then because none of us has a spouse who likes metal. But just like everybody else, the spouse doesn't like metal. I tried. I definitely tried.

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I, when I was very into, like, I've always been, you know, when I was younger, even, I was like, I was, you know, when I was looking for dates and stuff, I would try to use that as a criteria. And if I had done that. Yeah. For we all would be. That's not true, though, because I told you guys, Jen likes anthrax. Okay. She likes anthrax, really? Yes, and I don't. That's what I think is really funny. That's an odd one to be just, like, randomly, like, I don't like metal, but I like anthrax.

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I told you she likes classic and hard rock. She likes a few metal bands. She went to make it. John Bush Anthrax. That's not Anthrax though. That's Armored Thrax. I don't dislike Anthrax. I'm eviscerated for this. I just think they're overrated. Going into my lack of thrash knowledge, for a little while there, I thought that Anthrax was like an alt rock band because I would hear those

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Those cuts on K-Rock, which is the station around here. I'm like, oh, they're a thrash band? I told you, George, I thought they were awesome when you and I saw them. They're great lives. I never got in them like everybody else. I don't just like them. I like John Bush with Armored Saint, but I don't like John Bush with Anthrax. I paid attention to Anthrax, but for all the wrong reasons. It gets for drift. It's for me.

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That's definitely one plus that I have. Well, I know you guys don't have because I go to metal shows, which is that I can find eye candy, which is great. Somebody in the band then? Who? Who is it? Oh, Scott Ian. I would totally get it. Really? I'd have been thinking like Frankie or something. I'd probably like cut that fucking thing off. You know, I grew one of those in high school because of him. I had this like long ass fucking goatee down to here all like, you know, twirled up.

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to this. I don't need to push you on the spot. I'd like to know who some of your other metal crushes are. If you have other ones that come to mind. Yeah. I have a thing for drummers. Fair enough. So does John. That's because I play. So broadly speaking, that's a category. Flo Marniakian. Cryptopsy?

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There is a few and they're not coming to mind.

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Well, you can shout them out as they do.

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But that is in the middle of the episode.

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Just be like, blah, blah, blah.

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And we're like, okay, okay.

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Yeah, I'm trying to think of some other ones.

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Not, not, not, not like current, but I would say like, like mid 90s to early 2000s,

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Kerry King was kind of had it.

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When he had hair?

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But now that I know him.

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No, no, no.

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When he was bald, but before he started wearing out bald. He's got to be in the bear community, right? Or in the bear category somewhere. Oh, yeah, definitely. Definitely. And that's why. He's early. Yeah, but then I started like, you know, then I'm like, he's kind of a douche and he's short. I'm like, I'm like, you kind of like, yeah, kind of like peter off with him. But yeah, there's definitely a lot of drummers. There's drummers in there that I can think of. Interesting. That I had to think of, I should say. I don't know what it is. I like a burlier guy, so that's usually you find that in drummer, you know what I mean? Yeah.

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Yeah, if I was gay, I would definitely be a bear metalhead, but I'd be like a wombat bear. Well, you know, we were talking the other day over text, and he mentioned his husbear, and I thought that was the greatest fucking word ever. I was like, oh, because I'm like, I mean, that is one of the nicknames that my wife has. She calls me bear. And I'm like.

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Right, well, that's really what it comes down to. It's not even like it was a, it's not like even a reference to the community. Right, right. It's just like I called them at and it just happened. Yeah, well, I got it. I mean, follow up. I tried to get her to, you know, use that and she won't. She's just like, I'm not going to do what you say. And no, it either happens or it doesn't. Because you'd clean up, George, by the way, as a bear. Oh, I know. Dude, I am such a bear. See if she'll call you Wombat.

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I was trying to say, yeah, there are so many others. I mean, there's polar bears, obviously. Wasn't there a gay community where they actually go into polar waters? I've seen this before, where they're bears and then they actually go into ice cold water. They actually do that. I think off Oconee Island they do that. I didn't necessarily know if it's a gay thing or they are also called polar bears. There's a polar bear. It could be.

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It's a club called the Polar Bears. It's all around the world, actually. Yeah, and they're not necessarily gay. But they might be. But, you know, there's a lot like, like, I don't even know what some of these terminology, because again, it's like, it kind of gets redundant and stupid. It's like, you know what I mean? Like, I don't know. It's like making a death, doom, grind, core, you know, yeah, like genre, you know. Right. As I was saying, it's so funny. And they're all like, and they're

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There are certain people in there were like, oh, you know, you're not part of this because you don't have you don't meet this this this criteria. And it's the same, you know, you hear the same metal, too. It's like, you know, and what I love about that, too, is like people are who are in the metal rebelled against like conservative, like religious people who have all these rules and shit. And then they start in like doing that to metal. And it's like, no, you're not supposed to do that to metal. That's the reason why you're supposed to like metal is because it's not that, you know, it's not regimented and and and shit like that.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Are we ready to move on?

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Yeah.

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Well, thanks for sharing all that, Justin.

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You know,

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I'm glad I was able to.

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I hope I made sense.

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I hope I made sense.

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Yeah, totally.

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I totally.

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We're glad that you feel comfortable,

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you know,

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telling that to us on the metal as pockets.

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Cause we,

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I mean,

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we are very inclusive.

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We love exactly.

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If I,

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if I didn't feel that and listen,

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uh,

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uh,

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sexual innuendo is funny no matter what.

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Oh yeah.

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It doesn't matter. Yeah, I asked him that before coming on. I was like, dude, you know, we make a lot of gay jokes, right? They're cool, though, right? They're like tasteful. They're not like hateful. You're basically just threatening to blow each other all the time. Exactly. That's not a threat. That's a... Validated. Exactly. Because I'm worried about that. I'm like, you know... We do worry about it sometimes. Yeah, because it's like... Listen, am I going to say that there maybe are people who are maybe more sensitive to it than me?

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Maybe, but at the same rate, again, I feel like you can't be like that in the real world. That's not a real world thing. You have to be able to adjust to the fact that not everyone's going to talk or say the things that you want to hear. To me, it's us acknowledging that while we aren't necessarily like that. You're not denigrating it. Exactly. It's just an acceptable and normal thing that people would do. I kind of want to take this opportunity, though, because people who

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do listen to this show repetitively it is worth saying that we have and this is true we've had thoughtful offline conversations about this before yeah saying like oh like are we are we are we stepping on toes here and stuff we really have had those talks before and and we just all decided we're kind of easygoing bunch of dudes you know it doesn't it's not supposed to mean anything we're not saying anything that's that's that's mean spirit you're not denigrating a gay person listen i would probably tell gay jokes too but they would come off as promises or threats

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Yeah, yeah, we get that too. Listen, when I'm with my gay friends, we talk dirty to each other in ways that we know are gross to us, which typically is certain types of genitalia. Or we do mom jokes. There's a lot of things that you can take sexual innuendo that someone says and be like, you're mom, and then just repeat what they say, and it always has a greater impact.

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I guess I get a little bit of a leeway because I'm a gay man.

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You know what I mean? So like we kind of get a little bit of a I mean, I don't denigrate women either. It's always again, it's a it's a very much a thing that is just created out of air and it has no factor or meaning towards anyone. You know what I mean? And it's towards one particular person. And it's just being, you know, it's again, it's it's having fun. And it's it's it's, you know, giving people shit in a in a in a hopefully harmless way.

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I do hope it's harmless, but I also think it's about the comfort level between us. Right. It's a brotherly thing. I wouldn't say something like that to a stranger or someone I didn't know or that I didn't sort of feel comfortable. And that's what I pick up on because I can see if you guys are comfortable enough with having those types of things being said and not reacting in a, ew, gross, or no, don't you, like that to me says if you're going to do that or be like,

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Don't talk to me like that. That to me says you, that means you have a problem. That means that you have some sort of issue with it. No, no, that's a good point. That's a good point. And we take jabs at each other concerning lots of different subjects. So nothing's off the table for the most part. I was just going to say, that's what I was going to say. It's like, nothing's off the table. Anything could happen. And also to be clear, I'm usually the one that gets the

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the jokes thrown at me.

01:50:32.480 --> 01:50:33.400
About that?

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Because, again, it's one of those, and you might appreciate this because, again,

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there's things I feel like in metal that are just as ridiculous with stupid things.

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And one of the things is, I don't know if you've ever heard the terminology,

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like a gold star gay.

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Have you ever heard that before?

01:50:48.580 --> 01:50:48.660
No.

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It basically means that you've never, it basically means that you've never.

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Okay, I got it.

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Have done any sort of experimenting whatsoever.

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Yeah.

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And then when I was in the city, again, someone told me this. I had no idea because, like, who gives a shit, right? But apparently I'm a platinum star because I was a C-section. That's how crazy people are. Never even come close to one. It's like, who thinks of this shit, you know? Like, I definitely don't. I just now know that it exists. Wow, that's funny. Wow, there's so much going on with the culture.

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That's a funny joke, though. It's creative. That's the thing. Especially in the gay community, it's so based in camp and stuff like that, too. There's a lot of aspects of the gay community that I don't identify with. I totally respect the artistry of drag, for instance, but I am not a fan of drag. I don't like cabaret. I don't like Broadway. I've never been to a Broadway musical.

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I live an hour away from Broadway. I've never been doing musical. And not because I'm like, I don't remember, but I just don't have the interest. I understand that it's value. That's the whole thing. I understand a lot of things value that I don't necessarily like. But that doesn't necessarily mean I'm going to shit on it. Or at least I feel like at this point in my life, I won't shit on it. Even when I was younger and angrier, I did. I don't have it. I was going to show you the picture of me in

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I don't want to see that I want to see the picture of you with your crazy goatee there's there's no such thing but I maybe you with a braided goatee in drag would be perfect yeah definitely yeah oh well what could you try to think of I'm trying to think of what your name would be if that if that was yeah yeah it was Georgina I named him and it always has to be right and always has to be somewhat dirty your drag name you know yep yep I remember because you sent that picture and that's what I named you

01:52:57.200 --> 01:52:57.880
I see.

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I have like thousands of photos on my phone and I know I had it on there not that long ago because I think I sent it to Stacy.

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But one of the funniest, dirtiest drag names I've ever heard.

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I was at a show.

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I live so I live in five.

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I live like 15 minutes away from the fire iron fairies, which for anyone that doesn't know it's as a reference.

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It's like it was one of the first gay Hamlets beach Hamlets like in the U.S.

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Since like the 50s, that's where people would go and they could be openly gay and not have to worry about anything. And they still exist and they're still there. So we go out there all the time because it's just an awesome place to go. It's just, it's beautiful. It's just beach, you know, it's like right in between the ocean and the bay. It's really cool. And I went to one of the shows out there. I tend to zone out because they usually repeat themselves, but there was one drag queen that came out and her name was Chitania Finger.

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I was watching, you know, it's funny, we just watched Priscilla Queen in the Desert again fairly recently, which I think is, you guys know Priscilla Queen? Yes, yes, of course. Oh, yeah. And I had forgotten that one of the drag names in that was Felicia, Felicia Jolly Goodfellow. And by the way, Rob Helford announced his on an interview all back and it would be mushy peas. So British. He didn't have any time to come up with it, to be fair. Yeah, I literally just finished his book like two days ago.

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So good. Fabulous read. Fabulous read. It was really good. And I, I came away from it just thinking, what a nice guy. Yeah. And that down to earth dude. Yeah. I mean, we talked about like, you know, maiden and priest and, you know, yes, I might, might like some days I might like maiden songs more, but it's like, who would you want to hang out with? He would hang out with Rob. Yeah. That's not even a question. He, um, I loved, uh, in the book, um, because he kept, um, as you know, a lot of his early relationships,

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for people who were either bi or probably just star fuckers, to be honest with you, not even gay at all. And I love that one of them was the one who said to him, you know, Rob, why don't you try fucking having a boyfriend who's gay? And Rob was like, well, and he really wrote the book. Well, when you put it like that. So good. Yeah, he's a good dude. Yeah. All right. For sure. I saw, I saw actually, I think I saw Halford when he was doing his solo thing. He played a little more. Nice. Yeah.

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Yeah, he did a couple things. As Halford, do you think? Or as Fight? It was... It was Halford. It was the... Whatever record had that song One on it. I just remember that one song. It's either Resurrection or the one after that. But in any case... I think it was the second one. Second one. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, I don't know about anybody else, but I want to take a quick break before we move on. Get a refill. Hit the bathroom. I'm going to piss my pants. Exactly. All right. We'll take it. We'll be back in like, you know, two.

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The Metalheads Podcast. They're too sexy for this podcast. Too sexy for this podcast. Too sexy by far. Do I really have to say this? And let's do t-shirt and beer check after two hours or so. Sorry, Dan. I should refill my shit. So we're going to show you guys. So I because of you guys, I started drinking some of that Birmingham because I know I support.

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But it's kind of expensive to ship, so I don't get it that often. And I'm not a big drinker. I am definitely a weed guy. I will fully admit that. It's legal here now, so I can't. But anyways, when I do drink, I do have some meat sometimes. So this one is Apple of Discord. Nice. Yeah. Anyways, it's good. I was originally going to have something in a glass and be like,

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and come up with some ridiculously sounding brewery name that doesn't exist. That's Matt's job. Yeah, you should have done that. It was going to be something like aborted alien fetus stout or something like that. And I was curious if anyone would have been like, oh yeah, I had that before. I don't think they would have. I think everybody would have been like, what'd you get, dude? Let me write that down. I think the guys. And I'm spoiled too because there's

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I'm around a lot of really good breweries. I mean, I'm aware of being good breweries. That's what people tell me, but I'm not a bit, I'm not enough of a beer aficionado to really actually know if that's true or not. Like we have like blue point is right. Like literally right here. I don't know if you guys have ever had that, but I don't know if it's like, I don't know where that ranks in like the realm of like craft beer. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know if that's like a whatever, you know what I mean? Or can you weigh in on it, John? Is it?

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If I'm not mistaken, Blue Point was acquired by a larger brewery, meaning one of the macros. If I'm not mistaken, I thought... I think that's Blue Moon. No, I think Blue Point also. I'm pretty sure. I could have sworn they were acquired, but they had a toasted something ale years ago, but I haven't had anything because I don't see them too much down this way, at least by me I don't. I don't know if you see them, George.

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I feel like if I saw it I'd go oh yeah. Everyone goes apeshit over one they have called Hoptical Illusion. That sounds fire. That might have to be the one that everyone likes. There's also Montauk Ale out here which is really, I'll hit that sometimes on the way out to the beach or something like that. They're good. And what are you wearing? I'm wearing my Zoss shirt. Nice.

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I'm tucked in so I can't like I'm sitting I can't like any higher than this

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I'm extended so yes uh inter interdimensional invocations nice they're really cool band from

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Seattle yeah I like them yeah black like I guess I don't know what you would consider them like black in

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death like tech thrash yeah it's like it's just one of those bands you know yeah it's one of those weird bands you can't necessarily play which is why I think I like them so much you know yeah

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All right.

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Um, Marcus.

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Like a sludge.

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Yeah.

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What are you wearing?

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What are you drinking?

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The first thing I had was Brimminghorn, of course.

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So I had the orange blossom, uh, traditional mead.

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Finished that a while ago.

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And now I'm drinking, uh, Mother Earth's Big Mother Triple IPA Anniversary Ale.

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Which is pretty good.

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Nice.

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And I am wearing my Chemist Dueling Wizard shirt. That's pretty badass. Is that a new one? I haven't seen that. Yeah, it's new. It just came out. Nice. So I just got it, I don't know, a couple days ago. Sweet. So, I mean, they always have, I have like a ridiculous number of Chemist shirts. I know, I have more Chemist shirts than anything. Their designs are so good and anxiously awaiting, patiently waiting for an announcement for the new album so we can pre-order them.

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All right, Matt. I am rocking a thou t-shirt. As always, close is my Temple of Void Snuggie. I started the night with this. It's called Quad Rainbow. It is a Belgian-style quadruple aged in whiskey barrels. All of that is amazing. I believe the Dubco is a brewery. And now I've moved on to

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It is a quadruple IPA. And by, let's see, magnify bring. Quadruple IPA? Yeah. Where have I been all, where's that been all my life? Just expect my senses to kind of get a little bit slurred. Matt just one-upped me. I know. Triple IPA, he just goes to quadruple. I've never heard of a quadruple IPA. I've heard of, you know, Belgian quads. Belgian quad, yes. I'm not going to lie, I have a quintuple IPA over about 10 feet from me. Well, I've got an infinity IPA.

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I've got a sex tube of IPA. I see them from time to time. I mean, it's not common, but I've always been. Yeah. All right. Well then, John. I started mad. Is that a chia pet behind you? That little pot? Or what do you have? A chia pet? Yeah. I think that's the outdoors. No, it's probably from HomeGoods. Oh, I can't tell. It was kind of one of those, like, you know,

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The whole house got, you know, designed and then my wife kind of had some accents. She put the pillows in. She went to a lot of plants. There's a lot of pillows here. A lot of plants. Listen, I don't judge. Listen, I just went and picked the pillows today because I just literally the couch I'm sitting on got delivered today. That's right. Ours is, I told you that, ours is like 45 minutes away and has been sitting there for like a week. And we have no idea when it's actually coming. Don't get me started on Friday.

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Furniture Shipping. It's been a nightmare. It's been a nightmare of my life. Well, it's because they do this freight thing and they're like, oh, well, we're not going to ship it until we have 12 other things going to your town. For no other reason than it's random. Could you save this on Byte, George? Don't get me started on furniture shipping. I just feel like that should be a button push every once in a while. Don't get me started on furniture shipping. Listen, I moved to Hawaii. Oh, they didn't want to know. With my job, I have to deal with dealing with people whose furniture is not.

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when it's supposed to be.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I can.

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Yeah.

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That must suck, dude.

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Yeah.

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We ordered this couch like months ago.

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Rich, privileged people.

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Don't.

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Yeah.

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Don't have patience for shit like that.

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I feel sure.

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Uh-huh.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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John.

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Make it quick.

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Two beers I'm in so far.

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Drinking a Kolsch from a brewery I've never heard of before called Von Trapp Brewing

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because I didn't want to drink anything heavy tonight, to be honest with you.

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And that's already my third beer in. And my fourth beer in, uh, keep Virginia beautiful from the Virginia beer company. It's a 100% Losaic IPA. That's what I got going. And the shirt I'm wearing is a non-metal shirt because I haven't been listening to much metal at all since the, uh, mid-year is my Riverside 2019 tour shirt. Riverside's a prog band that has some metal aspects to them, I guess from Poland. I kind of dig them.

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Yeah, Riverside's cool. Do you recall, John, is that the band that I went to the record shop and they couldn't let me in the record shop because they were practicing? Yeah, the drummer was all grumpy. Yeah. He owns a record shop and Nurgle from Behemoth told me go to this record shop. So I went to this record shop. He's apparently got a really cool record shop, yeah. Well, you can't get into it. They left me standing out there for 10 minutes and they were like, nah, sorry, we're practicing. We got a show, so fucking fuck off. All right.

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It was almost that. At least it wasn't like he was sitting there eating Funyuns watching TV or something. He's like, I got me in practice. Get the fuck out of here. Jay, what you should have said is, can I come and watch and then I'll buy some vinyl. I know, I know. I did think, honestly, that's what probably would have been the right thing to do. I want some Funyuns now. Dude, I have not had Funyuns since 1988 when I was camping out for Metallica and Justice for All tickets.

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Got drunk, ate a bunch of Funyuns, and then threw them up. Oh, well, there you go. Were you under a bridge or anything? No, I was at a mall. I feel like that was just like when I was in college. That was a total stoner meal. Sorry. I'm sorry. It was Funyuns, cream soda, and Junior Mints. Get rid of the Funyun. You know what I mean? Yeah. Wow. I mean, they were good, but just haven't had them since. Yeah, you're youthful, but you're also.

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Your matured palate may not appreciate them now, George. It's hard to say. I don't know. I like onion-y things. You like grapefruit. I like junk food. Those don't taste like onions. I'm about to stand up and get my... I just ate. My wife was nice enough to have stopped and picked up some lasagna somewhere at a health food store. I don't know. I'm going to get up and get my iced coffee. I'll get about two minutes. I'm wearing my cattle decap shirt today. This kind of came up in rotation on the old underwateraudio.com. By the way, I have to tell you,

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I had a story in that this happened twice this week and I was swimming and I'm so glad to be swimming again I was listening to music like you do and I hadn't put on purposely in the longest time this album and run to the hills came on because it's it's random you know and um and I I kid you not dude I was in tears while I was swimming I was just like like just how glorious it was you know what I mean like I know I've heard that song a million times when I was exercising so I had the endorphins going and everything and Bruce sounded fucking great and I was just

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This is the best day of my fucking life, man. I don't know what it was, but it was all these right things. So it's so fun to hear something that I probably haven't purposely put on in as much as five years, maybe more. If you're swimming, how do you know there's tears? Because it's all water. In case your goggles fill up. What's wrong with these things? They're all fucked up. Bullshit. But anyway, so it's nice to have that thing. And speak of the devil, speak of the number of the beast. Exactly.

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I am wearing woe to you.

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I'm wearing my Iron Maiden Number of the Beast t-shirt.

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I haven't worn that in a while.

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Thought I'd wear something different.

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I started, much like several other people on the cast, with a Birmingham horn,

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the Inningarder, which they seem to ship with every order.

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It's like it's always, it's always, yeah, yeah.

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It's always good though.

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Of course.

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So I started with that, moved on to, so I went to Total Wine today because a friend of mine in Texas was like, dude, I need some zombie dust. Can you get that there? And I was like, I believe I can. I've never had it, but word is that Virginia has it now. And so I went to Total Wine and I bought like all their fucking zombie dust. I'm going to ship half of it to Texas. But I moved on to a zombie dust. Three flights.

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I thought you could get it because John's been drinking so much of it. I have one earlier today. I bought I bought like a case of it. And yeah, it's funny because, you know, so I lived in Chicago for almost 20 years. And when zombie dust first like appeared there and it was really fucking hard to get in those early days. And now it's just it's still hard to get when I was there like six, seven years ago. Yeah. I mean, you had to line up early and it was it was insane. Yeah.

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Now they're just making it nonstop. Yeah. And since, you know, I've had Dark Lord, but other than that, I really haven't had much Three Floyds. And there were like five different ones there. So I also picked up some Laser Snake IPA from Three Floyds. And that's where I am now. So good stuff. All right. All right. John, why don't you take us through some mid-year stats and awards?

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Yeah, I won't spend too much time because it's mid-year. And as I was telling George earlier, this stuff, this is just for fun now. It's not real. You know, we're not really getting to the shit until the end of the year. Shit doesn't get real until the end of the year. I mean, we put a lot of effort into it, though, John. Oh, of course. The point I'm making is that these are great now. This is all going to get thrown out of the window. It'll change. Yeah. So, but I think, Marcus, you'll enjoy one part later on. Oh, God. Anyway.

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So just real quick. So there's how many of us? Six. So there's 25 on the list. So is that 150? We had 90 different albums. Holy shit, John. That's a lot. That's really a lot. We don't agree on shit. That's crazy. Yeah. And we had albums or bands, whatever you want to say, from 25 different countries, including one unknown. We still don't know where that band is from. Yeah. And we don't know how to say their name.

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They don't technically exist. Apparently they don't anymore. Apparently Marcus and I are the only ones who have that album. The only ones who have it, yep. And total number of labels, 60 this time. Wow. Just hard to believe. I know. When I put my list together and then completely lost that part of the spreadsheet, I did actually have to add a few that you didn't have. Yeah, that's fine, thank you. And you have a pretty extensive list in there. I'm going to add everything you guys added to it on the side. I will add.

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to it for the year end. So, all right. So real quick, uh, these are countries that had the most individual albums, not the most selections, just most individual. Germany takes the top spot this time. We had eight Sweden, seven, England, seven, France, six, Italy and Russia, four. The U S always is number one, but I always saved them for last. There was 24. Now a lot of you guys, uh, wrote United Kingdom on the side. Now I separate them out.

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Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Because if they can play in the World Cup and the Euro Championships as separate countries, then God damn it, they're going to be separate countries on our list. So that's why I did that. By the way, tomorrow, Matt, is the Euro Championship between England and Italy. It's at 3 p.m. I'm sure I just pissed off anyone who actually likes soccer. Well, luckily nobody here. Yeah, well, you're missing out. I like soccer.

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I was a big soccer star when I was in high school. It's called football. I like watching rugby even though I have no idea what's happening. Yeah, it just takes a while to figure out the flow of the game. But yeah, it's cool. They just all go like this and then they move around and then the ball squirts out. That's called a scrum. Yeah, I know. Were you talking about the England game? Yeah, it's tomorrow at 3 p.m. against Italy.

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It's gonna go to penalties because I

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I don't even get me started on this

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Let's avoid this tangent shall we

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I'll get me started and I hate I hate penalty kicks to the side games

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It's part of the game but I hate it anyway uh it's like overtime in football it's like really come on

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Oh yeah I don't know for sure

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Yeah it's like baseball let's put a guy in second base now to make it go faster

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It's like tennis when they have to do a tie break. Yeah, it just doesn't end. It's like dominoes when... Sorry. It's like a sports discussion on the Metalheads podcast. It's like, who can throw the ball the furthest? You win. All right. Then the albums that got selected the most, Sweden 17. I can't remember how many, what we had. But I think we all had a number of albums we all selected.

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So I'm not going to go too much of that. Specific countries by each of us. Marcus, you're very German this year. So really? Why is everyone saying shit? Basically. Not even basically. Exactly. Come on. Come on. Come on. Schnell. Schnell. I'll tell you the story later. Matt, you chose two frenemies in Europe, England and France with three each.

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was also England and then Will, Jay, and George, your number one country was Sweden. For whatever your numbers were, I think Jay was five and Will was three and George was four. All right, let's move on. We're done with that. Now to the news. Not that news. Not that news. He's got more stats. He's got more important stats. Sorry, I made a joke as in a newscaster joke. I thought this is. Right. All right, so the America Fuck You Out war goes to me.

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I had the most albums from US bands. And get this, only nine. Oh, shit. So I took the America Fuck Yeah Award. Now, I used to make the next award kind of derogatory, but I changed it to the most worldly, and that would be George. George, you had 20 albums from non-US bands. I kind of want to know what the derogatory award was. I think that means the America Fuck You Award.

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I thought it was more of a George gets around. He's like the time. Don't I wish. Don't I wish. Podcasters without borders. Euro trash George. Podcasters without borders. He's a sloppy party bottom. I would be. I would be. All right. Record labels now. So this year, Metal Blade and

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and season of mist we had the most from them for each uh and then i void hanger and

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transcending obscurity records is that it three each nice i love so we brought uh we bought i void

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hanger back into the mix again of course this was a year for them to release a bunch of weird stuff

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which is cool because their weird stuff is always cool yeah yeah um and then of course i always put

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I think the Metal Blade record should have been like 16 times on our list, which is a lot for Metal Blade. You know, we don't we usually get that, but not that much. So. Right. Yeah. All right. This next is the Brotherly Love and Frenemy section. The Brotherly Love Award this year goes to Markisan a John. We had nine matches. We're back, John. We're back. We're back, baby. Nine matches. Yeah. And then Jay and George had nine also.

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Now, the Frenemies list, unfortunately, Will's not here. But he apparently didn't like any of us this year. That's why he's not here. Yeah, so Matt and Will, Frenemies. Four matches only. Damn it. And you knew that John and Will were Frenemies. Of course. Yeah, Will. Frenemies with a reach around, of course. Four reach also. All right, so now we get to the most important stuff. The J-Wards. We only had two this time.

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Believe it or not. So the first one goes to me for the crown. Everybody had the crown royal destroyer on their list. I did not. Second one goes to George. We all had blowed. Burn in many mirrors. He did not have that on his list. Wait, I thought there was one that maybe it was just that everybody the people who did it scored it so high. I'll have to go look on my list. But so never mind. That was neither here nor there. But I thought I had a J. But no.

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I don't think so no you are Jay you don't need one you'll ever get one Jay my name is on the award that's enough for me trust him John so uh and then I I don't know if we have a name for this but I once sent George a message and said we need to come up with an award for the the dude that's out on the island by himself and the Wilson yeah the Wilson word but I think I sent him first a picture of a guy in a space suit just floating in space and I was like this is me with my list this year which is funny how it turned out but

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So this Wilson Award, the winner went to Will. He had 12 individual albums. Will wins the Wilson Award. Awesome. Will Wilson. Mark, you weren't that far behind. You had 10. Matt had 11. And then myself, George, and Jay had eight each, which I find really funny because George and I were both like, no, we're definitely going to have the most individual albums. We had the most matches. So that's it.

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All right. Now we can actually move on to the news.

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I'm just really happy that John and I are back in alignment. I felt like we were drifting apart and now we've come back together, John.

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Well, you know, that ship finally saved us on that raft in the middle of the ocean, right?

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Big polar bear hug to you, John. Just watch the left shoulder. I'm in therapy for right now. Okay. So to dial the happiness back a notch, Tom Hunting of Exodus is going to be undergoing full gastrectomy on Monday the 12th, which is two days from now. That sounds like a pretty shitty thing to have happen to you. I'm not familiar. It's the full stomach.

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The whole stomach. Oh my god. But he seems pretty like chipper about it. Like, because like the treatment's been working and all, but they're still gonna have to take his whole stomach out. It's not the whole stomach. I did some reading now, but it is the vast majority of the stomach, which. Well, they'll make like a pocket somewhere. Something. Yeah, I don't know what they'll do for it, but it doesn't seem like real. I agree. He seems, she sort of seemed upbeat, George. I agree with you about that.

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Yeah, I guess this thing licked. If it's that bad, I mean, do you want to go in feeling like shit and then just have this negative attitude about it? I don't know what you do. I've never been in that situation. I don't know, but yeah, yeah, yeah. And it seems like people who go in with a more positive attitude, I know there's no science behind this, but it seems like a lot of those people, they fare a lot better, maybe. Actually, I think there might be some science behind that, John, believe it or not. I'm sure there are some studies along those lines. Yeah, the positive. I mean, he had a big tumor and he says half the size since it was.

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Yeah, it's probably why he's like, get this shit out of my body. Yeah. And can I just say, doesn't he look good with short hair? Like, seriously, dude, like he went from this guy who was kind of a goofy looking mope, you know, to kind of like a handsome guy with his hair. He looks good with his short hair, and that happens to a lot of guys. He should have got that. That's a lot about this, Jay. They look like you just saw him coming out of the park somewhere, and then you see him with their haircut and combed. You're like, wow, who is this guy? Yeah, absolutely. That's exactly what I'm talking about. Yeah. Yeah, best of luck. Best of luck to Tom.

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Hopefully next week we hear that things went well. Yeah. But he also posted recently, I mean, he's out there living his life. He went to a Giants game with Gary Holt recently. He posted that. I know that's pre-surgery, but he's obviously got enough energy to get up and be part of the world. So fingers crossed. Fingers crossed for him, especially since I'm really excited about that new record and I'd hate for them to have to deal with some really bad news before they move on to that. So we'll see. All right. Moving on.

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Voivad, if you prefer, started a Kickstarter campaign to fund a documentary about the band, which I think is pretty cool. I haven't actually backed it yet, but that's just because I forgot that I needed to, but I would really like to see this documentary, so I hope that happens.

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I'll say two things. One, I agree with you, George. I'm not a huge Voivad. I like to say Voivad or whatever. Voivad, Voivad, whatever.

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I think this is a band that deserves it. And I'm not a super fan, but I love it. But how has Sam done in his group not doing something on them? Yeah, no shit. He's a Canadian, man. You know? Fucking traitor. No, I mean, he's done some cool stuff. I just thought I was thinking, man, he should be involved with this, his group. I wonder if something's going on with him because I'm one of the ones who notices that Banger's output has been weird lately. I don't know if it's just from the pandemic or if it's something else. You know what I mean?

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They're branching out more. But he's working on something, and that might have something to do with that, Justin. Let me look and see what it was, because it was something I was excited about. He's so much stuff. I mean, the Rush documentary was amazing. The Maiden Flight 666. I was actually in the same section he was filming in in Toronto when they were filming, talking to the fans. And I've always liked this stuff. And I'm not a big Voyager fan, but I did notice that it is directed by a

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Felipe Belal Cazar who did the Death by Metal documentary about Chuck. I like that documentary. Yeah, yeah. You need to listen to Nothing Face and get your shit together, man. I'm going to go one album before that, personally, George. I saw Hattro's fine. I totally just thought of the other Nothing Face. Yeah, not the band Nothing Face. Anyway, yeah, I hope it gets done. I mean, they deserve it. They influence so many bands and so many different metal

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I mean, I think the Kickstarter is pretty high already, so it looks like they're on target. Excellent. It ends on August 15th, so I mean, that's quite a bit of time, too. Cool. Yeah. All right, next up, King's Ex is mastering their first new album since 2008. I didn't know they'd done anything since Black Flag, that Black Flag song, but you know, whatever. What? I'm just fucking with John. Come on. I'm just fucking with you. Come on. You can hit him for me. Oh, yeah.

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I mean,

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John and I are big King's X fans.

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I had this news item on when I put it on the Google docs,

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because I'm just really excited for it.

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It's been a really long time.

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15 was an awesome album too.

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It was really good.

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So yeah,

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Doug Pennick said he brought in 25 songs when they started recording.

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That's just him.

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Tabor.

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It's just him and Jerry Gaskell.

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They also brought more songs and they chopped it down to 17.

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And not all of them are going to make the,

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the,

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the album. But I mean, that's awesome that they have that many songs because Pinnock also said that it's possible this could be their last album. Well, he's 70 now. He's 70. Yeah. Isn't he family? Isn't he family of mine? Yeah, he is. Yeah, that's right. And I was pretty openly so long. Yeah, it's been a long time, but it wasn't it wasn't immediate. They had a few records out before he came out, though. I don't think he was hiding it. I just caught up to that. Sorry.

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They're just not in my listening wheelhouse, so I just have peripheral information on them. You know what I mean? And I thought I'd never do that. He, even at 70 years old, is still one of the best hard rock singers in the world. His voice is just... And then you add in Ty Tabor's Beatles-type vocals to his soulful blues. Just works perfect. I would love to see them play with you, John. I'd like to watch them with you. They're by far the loudest band I've ever seen in my life.

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His base has no filter.

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If I may, I would like to introduce...

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He's in the waiting room.

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Well, actually, before we move...

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Oh, sorry.

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But I will say just briefly, and that is that Sam Dunn has been working on John,

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another Canadian band.

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Can you guess who it is?

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And I think this is why he's been busy, because it's getting ready to come out.

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Triumph!

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Triumph, right?

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Yeah, that's him.

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Oh, fuck yeah.

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That was just a wild guess.

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That's acceptable.

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That is acceptable, because I love Triumph.

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So that's where his time has been spent.

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I thought you were going to say Gorguts.

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Why not?

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You need Luke to actually want to do that.

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There he is.

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Will is here.

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Waiting room.

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You have arrived.

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We'll go real quick.

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I got to find my page.

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I want you to at least hear this.

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Now hear this.

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We haven't gotten very far.

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We just started the news, Will. Are you serious? Yes. But you have to hear this real quick, Will. When we did our stats from the mid-year, we did a brotherly love and frenemies thing. And Markisan and I are back to getting it on, and so are George and Jay. However, you were a frenemy to both Matt and myself. We only had four matches on our list. So I just wanted to let you know, you and I are keeping it strong still. I have one word.

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Philadelphia.

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Will also won an award too, John, right?

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No, he didn't get one.

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Will hardly ever gets the Wilson.

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Oh, I thought he was the Wilson.

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Yeah, the Wilson.

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That's right, you got the Wilson Award.

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Will Wilson, you had the most individual albums on your list this time.

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That nobody else had.

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That's because they're all death metal albums.

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Yeah, man, you've been missing out, man.

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Justin's been laying down some serious death cred.

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Oh, yeah?

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Yeah.

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Hi, Justin.

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What's up?

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How you doing, buddy? I think I pulled a couple from you, Will. I think, was that, I don't know how it's pronounced, it's like S-N-E-T, Snet, or whatever it is? No, that's not me. That's Matt. That was Matt, yeah. There's one I definitely pulled from you, and I was like, I totally am into this, and I'm trying to think of who it is now. That's it. Cannibal Corpse. Well, I got a cowl corpse, cowl corpse. What was that accent, George?

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I was trying to be Matt and pronounce it funny. Oh, okay. The band's called Snet. Snet, okay. Skynet. They're called, I think it's Snet. That was nice, Matt. Matt was like, no, don't talk to me. Seriously, shit. Where are we in this news list? We are moving on to High on Fires. Matt Pike is getting his own illustrated lyric anthology titled Head on a Pike. The illustrated lyrics of Matt Pike. I know nothing about this, but Markazan told me to put it on here.

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Take it away, Markazan. Yeah, I mean, I'm stoked for it. I ordered a signed edition of this book because I absolutely need to see a visual interpretation of Frosthammer or Ghost Neck or fucking Razor Hoof. I love the lyrics on High on Fire, and each of these chapters is going to have, like, brand new artistic interpretations of his lyrics from different painters and illustrators and also tattooers and printmakers. So, you know, and I love art stuff, so it's a great way to get it.

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It's at rarebirdlit.com. Thank you. You can get like a regular edition. You can get a signed edition. There's a signed edition with a slip case. Is it signed by Matt or by the artists? By Matt. Is it like a comic book kind of thing? So they have the lyrics and then they have like artists who are interpreting the lyrics. They read the lyrics and they draw something based on it. So if you think about the lyrics for like Frost Hammer or something like that. I'm going to buy this. Yeah, I'm going to do it right now. Yeah, it sounds pretty cool.

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That's why I put it on the list. So what would be really cool is if all if there were, you know, male characters and all these song lyrics and they didn't have shirts on. That literally took everybody. That was like this one pause. Like, why is he talking? Oh, you're right. He doesn't. He never does. By the way, they played something recently for the first time since post pandemic. And I'm not, I don't know if it was a streaming thing or what it was.

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And he always goes shirtless and he fluctuates between bear and otter. I don't know if you've noticed that. Yeah. He is white bounces around for sure. Matt doesn't have the best. He's not the guy ice from enslaved. Who doesn't he hasn't worn. I don't think I've ever seen that guy in a shirt in the 20 years. I've seen them play live or whatever. Which one is that the guitars? Yeah. Yeah. I never have to see that. I haven't got to see them live yet. That's another one I'd love to see live. And I don't really get to. I really don't.

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I don't know this very well, but I suspect he's the best looking guy in the band, too, Justin. To be honest with you, at least that's my take on it. He's not bearish or anything like that. He's not the drummer, though, so fuck off. All right. Okay, you're right. This should be a top five. Top five artists I'd like to see with his shirts off. Or her shirts off. I went to the site just to make sure it's not sold out or anything. But yeah, there's definitely copies signed by Matt Pyke. So yeah, yeah. That's why I wanted to tell you guys about it. Is this something earlier in the messenger, the link to it? It's just Allison.

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right now, Will. Is it, um, is, uh. I can put it in there too. I'm literally there, gonna order mine. Um, the, uh. Okay, nevermind. I forgot the fuck I was gonna say. Anyway, I'll send it. It's going to the Metalhead's thread, Will. All right. Cool. Yeah, but it's rarebirdlit.com. Um, so. Perfect. Before I move on to the next news item, I wanted to mention something that I'm pouring that I was, I was holding

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off because Will wasn't here, but because Will is here, I'm going to talk about it. And it's one of the things I picked up today. It's called Funk Brewing. Ever heard of Funk Brewing? Yeah. They did a West Coast IPA called The Fallen. Have you heard of this? No. It's got camo all over it, and the can lists,

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Did you say camel or camo? Camo, sorry. Okay. Camo would have been way better. The can lists the names, ranks, and like... Yeah, it's like the Vietnam War Memorial. Yeah, it's like a Vietnam War Memorial on a can. Yeah, I've seen that. And I was like, oh shit. I was like, how can I not buy this? Honor does that in Virginia. Yeah, Wes Rabiso is one of the brewers there, and I helped train him when I was the brewer at...

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at Fairwinds. Also, it's a West Coast IPA, so I'm looking forward to that. How's it taste? I'll tell you in a moment. That's more important. And is it hazy? No, it's West Coast. Well, hey. Yeah, that's what it's supposed to be right here. Yeah, Will, it's a West Hazy Coast IPA. No, it's not hazy at all. How's it taste? It's good. I like it. Will, is there any hazy beer you like? I mean, they can be unfiltered, but when they purposely try and make them hazy, you just lose me.

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But I'm drinking the Fathead's Benjamin Danklin. Nice. Is that Stimpy? Who is that? George. George had a Hitler mustache. That's crazy. What are you wearing there? Is that Crip Sermon? What are you wearing there? Actually, I wore this all day. I didn't even change my shirt. I wore this all day at work. I was at work for 15 hours. Dude, take it off like Matt Pike. That would be me. That would be me.

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I got to tell you I was like I better look at the I'll just go for the cheapest

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thing is like 20 bucks you might as well just get the big

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God package that's what I got 50 bucks

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the shirt and a book and everything cool thanks for the

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heads up on that Markson yeah no worries no worries

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all right moving on to the next news

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item uh for John

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even though Markson told me about it but

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um three hours and you guys

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are just on the news like what

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what did I miss a gripping interview

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Will

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yeah there's a lot of gay stuff that you

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weren't here for yeah you yeah

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There's different forms of bears. There's like otters and wolverines and wombats. Polar bears. Dude, you're going to have to listen to the episode. You shouldn't spend so much time at the goddamn glory hole. You need to hear this stuff. Actually, maybe you don't know. Justin is gay. What do you think I was for 15 hours? The thing is, I don't see them. Exactly. I didn't know this before it came on, but Justin is gay. So we spent a lot of time talking about that.

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Yeah, well, it was a gripping interview. Sorry, we took a... Was it a firm grip or like a soft grip? Did you use like lotion? Oh, God. Moving on to the next news item. Right. Bridges, has this train fallen off today? A lot, dude. A lot. Yeah. We're known for our tangents, but we are very... We'll just hijack the train. We'll hijack the train. I feel like Steven Seagal needs to fly in a chopper and drop on the back of the train and save all of us, you know? We'll just hijack the train with this pistol.

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So Alex Lifeson of a band called Rush has a new band called Envy of None. Nice name. I like that. Yeah. I put it on the list. It's a nickname of the podcast, by the way. I put it on the list because I knew that you would like it, John, because, you know, we're simpatico now. You and I are on the same wavelength. Big Rush fan. And I hadn't heard anything that Lifeson was doing. And so Envy of None has this female singer named Maya Wynn on it. And I listened to a couple of her songs on YouTube.

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and she has a really good voice but it's very delicate so i'm curious to see what this is going to sound like i'm wondering if it's going to be super soft if there's going to be any rock at all to it will anybody envy it at all no probably he's got two songs on his website this is all coming out now too because he just got his signature guitar was just announced um and so he's doing it all at the same time two songs are out there and they're they're okay they're rock songs it's

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If you're expecting Rush, then just go back and listen to Rush. He's just, the guy's what, 68 now or something? He's just having fun. What I found funny is that it's also the, what's his name, is in the band Alex Curran, who I didn't know, but the name sounded familiar, and apparently he's the dude from this band called Coney Hatch. Oh, no kidding. Yeah, old school. Yeah, big time old school. It's so old school that this name has been seared in the back of my head.

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for 40 years. And the reason is, is they opened for priests in 82 and I saw them and I just don't remember anything about them other than the fact that their name. And when I saw it, I was like, why do I know this name from somewhere? And I had to go back and look. It's because I saw them 40 years ago. And they are unmemorable. I, um, they were one of the names that was kind of, as I was doing my research as a young metalhead that you would hear about these. They were like in hip parader. Yeah. Yeah. And I checked them out once and I was like, okay, whatever. Yeah. So. You know, it's,

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Who cares? He's making music. That's the way I look at it. Yeah. No, I don't remember. Is this Coney Hatch Canadian then? Yes, I believe so. Yeah. There's been rumors that he and Geddy Lee are doing stuff, but it's all anecdotal as far as I know. Yeah. It'd be cool if they did something. Yeah. Yeah. But they just had some Alex Lifeson's father just passed away and then a week later Geddy Lee's mom passed away. That's right. That's right. Yeah. And they're both well in their 90s. So yeah. Which by the way,

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It affected both of them because those guys grew up together. So yeah, they're both known each other's parents. And yeah. So, all right. They've had a tough couple of years. Yeah. All right. Last news item. Not a big fan of Trivium, but I just thought it was interesting and thought I would mention it, that Matt Heafy tested positive for COVID despite being fully vaccinated. So just keep that in mind. It does simple. But yeah, you can still get it. I mean, it's not like you can't get it. Yeah, I know.

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It just means

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I was curious

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What do you guys think

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Are you gonna wear masks

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If you're at a show

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Or are you not gonna bother

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Nah fuck that

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That ain't metal

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Masks aren't metal

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I mean they are

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But they're not

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I don't intend to

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I don't intend to

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But I'm gonna wait and see

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I think what's happening

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In the news matters to me

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Like if we get to September

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And it's like

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Oh shit here it comes again

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Then I might

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Oh I plan to bring one

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I feel like it's dumb sounding

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But like if I'm on the train

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On the way into the city

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I'm gonna put a fucking mask on

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But then when I get to the show

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I'll just take it off

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Yeah

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I mean I

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I don't wear a mask when I'm outside now. I used to, as soon as I got out of the car, I put on the mask to walk in and just keep it on until I got back to the car. Now I don't do it until I'm walking into a building, but I will wear it in the grocery store or restaurant, wherever. Yeah, I loved not being sick for a year. It was great. And to be perfectly honest, I'm like, can I just keep wearing it all the time? Because I love, it's like wearing sunglasses. It's like, you don't see me.

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You know, I'm a fucking introvert. I don't want to be looked at. Don't fucking look at me. I'm going to wear this mask for the rest of my life now. Too bad it kills your immune system for the common cold there. I don't mind wearing the mask if it's like for limited times, but like I did a signing recently for my comic book and I had to wear it all day. So that can get cumbersome, you know, because it's hours and hours and hours. So definitely not wearing a decibel. Especially when you have the beer going. Totally. Yeah. Which means it's probably not doing anything anyway. Yeah.

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But then there's also that Delta variant that people are talking about now too. But they're saying if you're vaccinated that it's not going to do much to you. Right. And you also have a very good chance of not getting it. By the way, another interesting fact about a band about which we are disinterested. It's about that guy, the guy Matt Heafy. There was a story about him recently saying that he makes $10,000 a month off of his Twitch account.

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And that's even more lucrative for him than the band. Well, than Spotify. That's not surprising. That pissed me off. Not to go off on a tangent, in two seconds, what is Twitch? Twitch is like where people stream themselves playing video games. Like YouTube. And then followers and people watch them. Yeah, but he makes more than I do in a month just fucking playing guitar and playing video games and shit.

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I mean, I mean, I'm not saying that he doesn't like deserve it, but it's just, it's deflating to the, to the poor bastard like me who like nobody wants to fucking hear anything I have to say or pay me to do anything. So, uh, yeah, but it's, it's Jay hit it on the head. It's the fact that he has to do that because some asshole who created Spotify is making billions of dollars off of the backs of every musician in the world. That, that,

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There's a problem with that. I said it before and I say it again. I respect the hell out of Taylor Swift. I don't like her music, but she's like, F you. I'm off Spotify. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think she's there. She's got the fan base to do it too, though. No, but I think she's on there. Well, she may have renegotiated something. Yeah, that's what she did. She got like a huge contract with them. So she is on Spotify, I think. Oh, she's back on it? Yeah, but she's getting big fucking money to do it. But here's the thing that's bullshit about that. Peter Frampton, have you guys heard about that? Yeah. This is the one that just irks me.

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Dude, Baby, I Love Your Way has been played something like, what, 17 million times? No, no, no. Or 40-some million times? And he's only made $17,000 off it. What? Honestly, I think it's a billion, John. I'll look it up. It's a lot. He testified before Congress on this and said it's one of the most played songs on Spotify. He's made $17,000 from it. Yeah, I'll tell you the exact numbers because they are. And the CEO of Spotify, that fucking asshole, had the audacity to say put out more music and you'll get played more. Okay, so actually,

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You got it's 55 million streams and he got 1700 bucks. 1700. $1,700. And famously, and famously, as he said that, and that even the congressman was like, I'm sorry, could you repeat that please? Because he was like, that sounded unreal to him. You know, that's one of the few times when both parties in a congressional meeting were both just. Yeah. Like, yeah. Well, you know, as someone who's never made a fucking dime off of anything,

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Related to anything creative, whatever. Well, that's part of your choice, George, because you could do like a Patreon for this podcast if you wanted to. I could, but I'm so goddamn metal and underground that I will not. You could write a song called Baby I Love Your Body. Part two. I mean, you give the shirts away and stuff. I know, I know. I am the worst businessman. I'm like, spend money, give things away. Yes. But you're also super nice, George.

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George comes from my point of view of finances, which is buy high, sell low. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not a yes song or something. I need a business manager to help me out. Keep trying to get Barb to do that. You know, be like, I'm probably going to backtrack a little bit here. But Justin, where do you live? Are you coming to decibel? I am from Long Island, New York. Long Island. No, Long Island. Long. Yeah. You had him at long.

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You know what? I live at Long Island. I'm going to try to come. I hesitated, and now the tickets have sold out. Have you looked at, like, you know, StubHub and shit yet? Yeah, well, there's this other thing I wanted to check out. I think I got one of my tickets through it for, I'm seeing InterArma with Artificial Brain, and I think Glorious Depravity just added to it. Nice.

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I'm hoping there will be some generous metalheads on it that can't make it.

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Justin, I'm sorry, just real quick. So I don't forget this. You know what you can do also, Justin, is you can like the event on Facebook. So you get the updates whenever there's an update to the event. And in the event, in the comments, people will put that they're selling tickets at face value in there. Yep. And you can connect through Facebook.

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I'm going to try to make it happen. You got to do it, man. I don't even know where I put my tickets. Actually. Well, mine are online for two years. Yeah. With COVID and everything and the fact that so many of us have bought these three years ago or whatever it was, somebody's going to be selling a ticket. Okay. Anyway. A decibel. George will be the little spoon with you. Okay. Cool. All right. Unless you've already established that it's going to be. I mean, I typically like.

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I really like to do a little spoon most of the time. Hey man, we're flexible, but not that flexible. We're getting old. The way you gotta be. All right, moving on to new releases. First one I put on here because I was all excited about it until I actually listened to it. This is the band The Absence

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They're a Florida melodic death metal band. I thought it was alright. This is a band that I've blown off for years because I thought they were something other than they were. Like new metal or metal core or something. And so then I was like, Confanized? That sounds kind of metal. I was like, let me just listen to this for a second. And I was like, this isn't that bad.

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So I was like, all right, let me throw it on the list. And then I listened to it and I was like, well, it's mellow death. It's not that, but there's a lot of thrash thrown in there too. I thought it was pretty decent. It's not, it's not bad. It just didn't go where I thought it was going to go. So, but it's, it's definitely better than I thought they were. So I'll give them that. Yeah. I, I, I, I, I thought they were. Did you say Justin? Yes. Do tell. No, I was just saying, I agree. I, I, I had a different impression of them too. And I checked them out. I'm like, wow, this is pretty solid. Melo death. Like,

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It actually reminded me of this band and like a mixture of them and like At The Gates. Like I feel like it had some interesting shit in there. Like it was like, all right, this isn't boring. When you say this band, because this is a Zoth. It's Zoth. Okay. Yeah. We already covered this. Don't worry about it. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Don't go too much lower. No, he's right. I should have said it because no one can see this. I forgot. Speaking of At The Gates, that's our next new release and their new album, The Nightmare of Being. It's their seventh album of Swedish

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What do people think of this one? I mean, I thought it was solid. I think I like it better than the last one, but I'm not a fan of the saxophone or the talkie vocals. You just pissed Matt off. He's making his fuck you face. Well, I mean, certain bands can do the saxophone, but I didn't like it on here. I don't like talkie vocals. Talkie vocals are like kids singing for me, man. Did you guys think the vocals were completely different on this album? I did, yeah.

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Yeah, they seem more like screamy blackmailish. But also kind of strained. I felt like, or maybe, I almost felt like he was kind of losing his voice a little bit or something. It just seemed different to me. I think if you listen to it again, because I felt the same thing, but when I went back and listened to it, I just feel like they did something different, like production-wise, like maybe an effect or something on his voice. It just seems like there's something like either added or taken away that makes it sound slightly different from like the last few. That's how I felt anyways.

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So yeah, maybe it was just a different approach. I will say this. I actually, first of all, I think it's actually okay. I thought it was a pretty good record. I'm not a huge fan of theirs, but I actually wanted to kind of put a better effort in this time. Because you were hanging out with the guitar player guy? But he was such a nice fucking guy, man. He was. You guys talked kiss in vinyl. You kissed and talked vinyl. Yeah, he spent like a whole day with us. And anyway, it's good. It's not that I think it's going to make the end of it.

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It's one of the things where it kind of falls in that same space for me as like memoriam where it's like these old metal vets they craft a good listen but it does not wow me so it's not enough to get on a list It's not Slaughter of the Soul I feel like it's very dependent because like I give At The Gates a little bit more credit for because like I come like I'm 36 Will so like I come from a certain generation where like Oh my god you're a baby We were the like that that was one of those albums for us like people my age where like

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you're like, oh, this is fucking awesome. It sucks that they're, like, not around anymore. So, like, we were one of the people that, like, kind of made it that, like, cult, like, they got very, which is why they essentially got back together, you know what I mean? And so I can't give them a little bit of leeway, same with, like, Memoriam and Bolt Thrower, but, like, there are other bands that have been doing that where I'm not giving them leeway, which I think we'll probably get through. Did you like how he just said people my age, like, trying to, like, make us all feel old? Well, because, you know, certain records hit at a certain age for certain people.

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Yeah, I will 100% agree with that because there's albums that I loved growing up in the 80s that I still love today, but if I heard a very, very similar album now, I'm like, Power Metal or some of the thrash stuff, I'd be like, this is garbage. But I grew up with this. I'm like, I love this. Justin was talking about that earlier because he's like, I really liked the first two Killswitch Engage albums, but I don't really listen to them now, but they were seminal albums for me.

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Right. Exactly. And yeah, totally. Yeah. I like the first Poison album. What are you going to do? You like a lot of stuff, George. I like things. All right. So next up, we have Feld and their first album. They're an Oregon black metal band, and it's called The Intimate Earth. I'm pretty sure Markisan Doug these guys. Oh, I love this record. I really like it. It's just a sorrowful, folky.

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black metal with violin in it and there's growled male vocals and then there's sometimes

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there's a female sung vocals on it serial female vocals yeah it's intense it's soulful it it kind of

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reminds me of a like a folky sub rosa which is a band i really like my dying bride so sub rosa

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disbanded so this kind of fills a little bit of a void for me uh with that band but i actually think

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They might be a better band. So I really dig this album. I've been listening to it for a while because we got the promo like months ago. Yeah, I was going to ask that very question because this was not unfamiliar to me, but I didn't listen to it before this. I was just like, wait, wait, I fucking know this cover. It's fucking really good. It's really good. Speaking of voids, by the way, Will, Justin's a big Temple of Void fan. So it brought me here. Yeah, totally. Yeah, that's how he found us through Temple of Void. Yeah. Wait, did anybody else listen to Feld though? Yeah, I did.

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I got it. You like it? Yeah, it's cool. Good stuff. I like the earlier. More interesting tangent with Temple of Void. Now we're back to Phil. What's going on? I like all of Temple of Void. I like some of the earlier tracks on Feld. It lost me with the, I have a very low folk tolerance. So like once it starts getting feeling like a little bit more fantasy, I kind of check out a little bit. I like my female vocals like from like a grittier

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They're alt-indie. That's like my palate cleanser to metal. So I don't really like ethereal vocals either. So it kind of lost me with some of the tracks, you know. But there was some stuff in there that I liked. It was cool. You know, speaking of female things, there was this band that I... Vagine? Exactly. There was a band that I had heard of that I didn't listen to at all because I was slightly put off by their name.

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And they were called Fucked and Bound. Or Bound and Fucked. Fucked and Bound, I think it was. And that sounds pretty ravey, but it turns out that the singer's a female and it's a very feminist, grindcore-y kind of thing. Anyway, they changed their name to something new. I forget what it is, but it's actually kind of cool. So you don't like Bound and Fucked. Well, there goes all our plans at Decibel. Indeed. It seems to me you paused there for a minute because you thought maybe it was Fucked and Bound,

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And I was going to say, the order really does matter here, George. I think it's called fucked and bound, but you would think you'd have to be bound before you. I would think. Usually. Depends on how old you are, I guess, right? Yeah, fucked and bound. Did they mess that up and then they changed their name and just switched the order? It could be. They really kind of decided that their new name is Filth is Eternal. And basically they were like, you know, we don't want to

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to censorship, but we really can't do much with a band called Fucked and Bound.

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So we had to change our name.

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Just not going to get that Sesame Street deal, fellas.

02:52:24.220 --> 02:52:24.540
Exactly.

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Exactly.

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But yeah, no, I was like, it changes everything.

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The perspective when you're like, oh, it's just like feminist metal.

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All right.

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It, you know, but anyway, moving on.

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Next new album, Noctambulist.

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The Baron Form.

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It's their second album.

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They're a Denver Black Death Band. Did anybody listen to this? Yeah. Lots of nods. I thought it was awesome. Yeah. Yeah, I got into their last album. Yeah, I was actually listening. I was surprised. I was happy when I saw it on there because I already started listening to it. It's cool. It kind of gives scratches that same itches like Suffering Hour does. Maybe the guitar work's not quite as odd as in Suffering Hour, but I still feel like it has the same kind of

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I like that song that track dissolution is really cool track I noted that will you like suffering hour I like it a lot yeah I was looking for a reaction there but you were like stone face I was like oh I'm sorry I'm trying to look up this barren form I haven't done any any homework because I wasn't really going to be on here and I'm only going to be on here for a few more minutes I'm always interested in where's where your mute button as well because it's

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When you go down, it's usually like this. You'll like the Noctambulist, I think. Yeah, you'll like it. I literally, I just looked it up on Bandcamp and I put it in my wishlist, just like with the, whatever the, Feld. I do like female ethereal vocals. Well, and it's not like every track has the female vocals on it. Right, yeah. So they use it pretty sparingly. But it does have violin. It's got violin wheels. Violin's great. I'll take a violin over a saxophone. Okay. Oh yeah, it's a much better instrument. The saxophone at the gates is just like,

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That threw me for a loop. It was like getting donkey punched. Yeah. I mean, I like this. I like the saxophone on that Owls album. I just realized why the saxophone kind of broke man's heart a little bit. It was Rivers of Knee Hill, isn't it? Yeah, it was. Okay. And others. And others, but still, I mean, that record was very close. Like Shining that isn't the black metal band. Aetheria Consensia or whatever it's called that came out this year. Was it? Aetheria Consensia or something like that it was called?

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They had a lot of saxophone. It was actually pretty cool though. But it was odd. Revers of Nile did it really well. It just depends. Here's the thing. I will never forget the day when George text that he put that promo in the box and that there's a lot of sax. And I thought, did he mean to misspell sex? Okay, I guess whatever. Sort of like good news, bad news, isn't it? Yeah, at first I was like, your mom's out of the hospital.

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you need to know. Exactly.

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She's got a third arm, right?

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That's right.

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I put it on.

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I started listening to it and I was like, son of a bitch.

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Oh, yeah.

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Matt was totally bound and fucked by that album.

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That was my album of the year that year.

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Whatever it was.

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Yeah, I was.

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That's what I'm saying, dude.

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I was fucked and bound and bound first and then.

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Fucked after that.

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But then I went backwards.

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Yeah, and then bound again afterwards.

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So I was fucking bound.

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Yeah.

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It was a human centipede in reverse.

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All right.

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Next up, we've got two more. And this next one's called Pestilence. The album, Exitivum? Exitivum, I think, isn't it? Yeah, you. Exitivum? I don't even know how to say it. No idea. John did it. Chipotle. If you have irritable bowel syndrome, the side of things include death and high blood pressure. Ask your doctor for Exitivum.

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It's their ninth album. And... Hated it. Did you? Hated it. I really did. I was waiting because Justin was like, there's two things on here that I really hated. And I'm guessing they're the last two at this point. I just... I mean, obviously I love progressive metal, but I just felt like... It was phoned in. Yeah, I don't know. It just seemed like... I hated the vocals in it too. I felt like they needed to be pushed back a little in the

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or maybe I just didn't like the tone or something of it, but I just didn't like it.

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Yeah, I felt like he was trying really hard to be like Chuck and Martin Van Drun at the same time, and it's like, it's kind of hard to do that. That's not what I was getting.

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Yeah. Dissenting opinions?

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I didn't think it was as bad as you guys think it is, to be honest with you.

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Yeah, I guess hate's a strong word.

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To me, Pestilence has become like Opeth and Gojira. They seem to get so much hate for their new albums.

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because they don't sound like they're old albums and i don't understand that but

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well they're john they matured

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oh god

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it really is

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people have there's trigger words no i mean i like those i like those old school death metal bands that

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come back and bring stuff out you know like at like the the asphix one like i love that one

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but this one just felt like it was phoned into me like they were just like oh or we're pestilence we

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You just like right standard. I didn't. I just didn't. There was something there for me. I don't know. No, it's fine. I just I don't I don't understand the we don't like it. That's one thing. But it's just I'm also not a huge special fan. So I can't really so much hate for these guys. And I didn't realize that. Oh, I didn't know that either. John, I will keep an open mind. I have not listened to it yet at all. So maybe I will like it and you will be. I mean, I just like next time. And then I can be the big spoon. I think we will stop being.

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Well, I didn't say I liked it. I just think it's an okay album. I just don't understand the hate. That's what I'm saying. Well, speaking of hate, I guess let's move on to this next one because I feel like there's a lot of venom about to be pointed this way, and that is the new Thy Catafalque album, the 10th album of Hungarian avant-garde metal, Vodok, perhaps it's called. Personally, I like it. I think I like it better than the last one. I like it quite a bit. Yeah.

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I like it too. I don't get it. I want to hear why you hate it. We know Marcuson hates it and I'm pretty sure Justin hates it. It feels all over the place. I don't. Have you ever listened to one of his albums before? I've listened to it. Yes. But I just I don't like that personally. Yeah. So I have a hard time getting into it. I don't hate it. I mean, I should have said I hated the last album, but I can't get into it. It's all over the place to me. It feels old in a lot of places and then newer in some places.

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It's so funny because George and I had this conversation. We both said, this is like, I think we both said, it's way more focused than his other stuff. I thought so, yeah. I thought the last album was maybe a little all over the place. That's funny. He's an avant-garde guy. If you don't like avant-garde, you're not going to like it. I mean, I listened to it because it was on this homework assignment, so I listened to it. You know what I mean? It's not my deal. I can understand people liking it. I see the value in it, I guess. But to me,

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to my ears it was just like uh it was like rammstein at like a ren fair rave like that's what i got from it like don't excite jay like that and listen i'm not i'm not necessarily saying that's a bad thing that's just what i got from it which is not necessarily something that i want you know what i mean yeah that's all yeah i didn't hear any techno in the music at all but that's cool yeah exactly but i feel like the ren fair version of a rave right like

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is actually Romanian folk metal. I mean, he injects a lot of music. That makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. It would be a ROM fare, not a rent fare. I like this album a lot. You do? Okay. I haven't bought anything of his ever up until this point. I guess I'll have to listen to it again. Yeah, no, I honestly was considering list worthy. Yeah, pretty good. Yeah. As I said this to George, I said, I actually like this album. And he laughed because usually I'm like, I like two or three songs.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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Some I think.

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This one actually lists a whole album.

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Yeah.

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And for me,

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like this is a real band.

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So it's a very difficult for me to make that decision.

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Yeah.

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No,

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I really just didn't like it that much.

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It was hard for me to get through it.

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But,

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um,

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you know,

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when you guys have those opinions about stuff,

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then I,

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I re-listen.

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Like I said,

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Marcus,

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if you're,

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if avant-garde doesn't jive with you,

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it's just nothing you can do.

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It seems like something you should like though,

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to be perfectly honest.

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I feel like I'm at guard a lot. I mean, I had a of our guard black metal album on my top 25. So it just it just depends. I just feel like this one doesn't gel well together, even in a in certain songs and then overall. But, you know, it could be that I was not in a good and a mood to listen to it. Yeah, that happens to me all the time. I'm like, yeah, I'll be like, oh, this is fucking stupid. And then I'll come back like two weeks later and go, oh, what was I thinking? This is really good. So, you know. Yeah, I remember when you told me about that, about Master of

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Yeah.

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Like 20 years before I knew you.

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Yeah.

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I got I got to jump off here shortly because I got to wake up.

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I got to wake up.

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Guys, you know, no idea.

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I don't know.

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You don't have to explain.

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Don't listen to these motherfuckers.

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Yeah.

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You do what you got to do.

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At least you showed up.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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I got to talk to you.

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Oh, yeah.

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No, no, no.

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But yes, exactly.

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I came on because George is like,

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Justin wants to get super gay with you.

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And I'm like,

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Oh man,

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I can't wait.

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Uh,

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but I will say,

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um,

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can we jump to the Thunderdome?

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Cause it's actually technically,

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I love Marcus.

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I'm just shaking his head.

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Like you fuckheads.

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Um,

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yeah,

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we can do that.

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We can,

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we can do that out of order.

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Cause I think I,

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if I can remember correctly,

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this is my Thunderdome.

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It is. Yeah. And so I'm going to sign off. All right. It makes sense because we're going to talk about some of these same albums right again. So let's just do that. All right. Go to the Thunderdome, then do what we're listening to. Yeah. Okay. So last time on Thunderdome, it was Anthrax worship music versus Exodus blood in blood out on the podcast. Exodus took the crown, but the public has spoken. And at 64% to 36,

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Anthrax took it. Public are idiots. I told you guys this. I'm the public. Thank you. I vote for Anthrax. I'm glad. I'm happy about that. What I pick, the audience picks the other thing. Yeah. Well, I also try to be a little cantankerous sometimes because to be honest with you, it would have been close to... Well, no, I'll take it back. I'll take it back. But, uh... Alright, it is what it is. Was it 64 or 32 because there's 10 people that voted or like 20 people that voted? No, there was more.

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It's secret, just like the Oscars. They don't tell you that shit, but there were more than you've mentioned. Yeah, but the Oscars suck, so you can tell us. Well, we suck, too. We probably suck, too, yeah. I don't have a true opinion on it, so I may not even vote it online because I don't want to vote if I don't have a true opinion on either album, you know what I mean? I'm just not a thrash guy, so it doesn't. No, no, no. It's better to abstain in situations like that. Right, right. But let me just tell you, you probably would have gone anthrax.

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Because of our previous conversation. Exactly. Scott Ian's hot. Exactly. Unless you give Tom Hunting the pity vote. We all learned that today, Will, that Scott Ian is hot. We don't know. I feel like I miss so much. I'm sorry. You do miss a lot. That's right. Yeah, he's a burly little cubby bear. Exactly. Was cubby bear, what did he have designation? He's like, short.

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Okay. Yeah. Stocky. Yes. Stocky. I throw them around. Yeah. There you go. Got a fucking petty ruck spin. Right. I'll throw them right by that fucking thing. You'd be like. I like knowing that there are threats among the gay community along these lines. Not necessarily threats.

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Aggressive Fantasies are called. Aggressive Fantasies. It sounds like the Scottish High games here or something like that. You're throwing those big huge logs or something. Paper tossing. Going to metal shows makes it really easy to make your way through a crowded gay bar because you just go into that concert mode where you have your one arm in front of you and your one arm behind you just plow through people. It's really convenient actually. Awesome. The things we learn on this fucking show.

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If you use elbows, I use my dick. Yeah. So he never gets very far. That only happens at camp. Only at camp do you do. At camp. Just one time. Oh, yeah. Band camp. Oh, wow. So you said you were leaving with? There are campgrounds and they exist. Yeah, man. I have to wake up super early and you have no idea how much I'm in the doghouse because I even decided to do this after work. Understood. I woke up. I woke up at 4 a.m., got to work. I worked 15 hours.

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I did not see my children all day except for the last hour right before they went to bed. But now they're in bed so you can do whatever you want. Which is sleep. But I will say this, Will, it was nice to see your face. It was nice of you to check. Yeah, I'm happy to talk to you, Will. I appreciate it. Yeah, yeah. So anyway, gentlemen, I will tell you that the best title track of an album, Slayer Season,

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Oh, well, I guess that we could have guessed that if we tried hard enough. I didn't think you'd picked that way.

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Way to spoiler everything.

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Yeah.

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You know what?

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I'm in school with shit.

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I'm just throwing out.

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You know what?

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And you know what?

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The human head weighs eight pounds.

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Okay.

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Jerry.

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Jerry Maguire.

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Nice to meet you, sir.

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Now go to bed.

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Yeah.

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Thanks for stopping in.

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I apologize for being late.

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I apologize for cutting in early. Gentlemen, I love you all. Except for Matt because he's bitchy and he's not here right now. Dude. Yeah. Fuck him. He's going to come back and be like, it was Will. John, John, we're so close, but yet so far, let's go have a beer sometime. Hey, I might come down there too, you know? Yeah. Let's plan something soon. Oh, the Hagerstown thing. Wait, wait. Officially announced September 11th. Did you guys see it? Yeah, I know. We already talked about this. I can't go.

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I don't know what is it I don't know dark too so it's kind of it's kind of a weird bittersweet thing for me but on we're having our first metal show at Atlas on September 11th 20th 20th anniversary of September 11th obviously yeah that's another thing yeah but it's evoking death doom band from New Jersey and two local bands which are amazing genocide pact and Ilsa and there's another another

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Another probably a local band that's probably a little bit smaller. But we were announcing our first show at Atlas and I went over there and tested all the sound equipment. We're missing two SM57 microphones. So if anyone's listening and you have those microphones, I will gouge out your eyes and skull fuck you to get them back. I have multiple SM57s here if you need them. What's the bittersweet point? They're not yours, but I own. I deployed to Afghanistan in 2001.

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That was an emergency room after getting into the car wreck. Yeah, I mean, I watched them burning from my high school. I was in a training. Physically, you could see them from your high school. Physically, I was watching them burn from my high school. Oh, yeah. I was literally on the curve at the Marine Barracks watching the Pentagon burn. Yeah, I was at the Pentagon. Yeah. You were there? I was in Afghanistan a few months later, so I deployed to Afghanistan in 2001 for the initial

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The initial wave.

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And so it is weird to me that to spend the 20th anniversary

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at a

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metal show. But on the other hand, it's like,

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you know what? I get to spend...

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I can do...

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You're here.

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We're gonna go.

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Fuck yeah.

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I can do it for a while.

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I mean, but on the other hand, yeah, exactly, dude.

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You went over there and did the things that you did and stuff.

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And you can still come home and do this.

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And that's part of the reason.

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So you're a good man.

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You should celebrate, so to speak, that they're coming back at the concerts. Yeah. Yes. We need to go to the Hagerstown record store thing that we were talking about. Yeah, we're going to do that, too. Yeah. In a couple of weeks or so. Yeah. All right. Go to bed. All right, gentlemen. I love you all. Justin, very good to meet you. And enjoy. See you later. Later. Talking to you. All right. Let's now move on to what

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We are listening to and we're going to start with Justin. Can I pee first so I can concentrate on listening? No. No. Grab a fucking bottle. Yes, of course. Thank you. All right.

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Are we still doing? What are we listening to? We haven't even started yet. Justin, what are you listening to? I am listening to, let's see. I mentioned before that Glorious Depravity, they had a record out last year. I started listening to that because they just got added to the Inter-Arma Artificial Brain show I'm going to. Have you seen Inter-Arma before?

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I have not actually. You're in for a treat, man. That is some serious shit. I'm sure you've heard us lose our shit over them before. Yeah, Enter Armour Live is fucking amazing. I haven't done a dive really into them, but they're definitely on my... I didn't get them until I saw them live. I could totally see that. If you want to do them, start with Paradise Gallows. Make sure you check them out.

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That's their best record by far. Keep an open mind because they are amazing. Okay. I'm down with that. Sidrian, I think they're called. I call them Sidarian. Sidarian. That sounds cooler. So yeah, let's go with that. I'm digging that a lot. That's pretty cool. That Drawn and Quarter that just came out. Congregation of Pestilence. That's really good. Nice. I do dig some, obviously, Temple of Void.

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I like Death Doom, but I always like my death percentage on a Death Doom to be higher than the Doom end. And I feel like this has a nice balance to it for me, for my years. So I've been listening to that. And then, yeah, pretty much what we're talking about. Oh, Catexis. They're called, they had a record out a few weeks ago, I think. Very like Morbid Angel-y, which I could always get down with. That Takeover and Destroy, you guys I think talked about, or somehow mentioned it. I don't know if it was online.

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I haven't heard the new one. I liked their earlier stuff a lot. And I haven't heard this one yet. So I need to listen to that. This is my first listen for them. And I was kind of digging the newest one that came out. And then just older shit, you know, suffocation, immolation, Morbid Angel. I fell into a little classic death metal hole for myself. But yeah. All right. Markisan. Yeah. So I've been spinning albums from everyone's top 25.

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five lists. I already played most of them. But given the positioning on your list, I felt like I should revisit some of those records. So some of the standouts that I've been listening to are Terra Odium, Knee Plus Ultra on Frontiers Records. This is John's number one. And I had not heard it before mid-year. So like one album I hadn't heard. But I think it's a pretty phenomenal progressive metal record. It is. Two of the members are in a band called Spiral Archetype.

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that John mentioned. And John introduced me to that band, I think last year, but I didn't like it very much because I just, I felt like there was too much going on. It was too much jazzy prog for me, but this is right up my alley. Just really great technicality, awesome riffs, just a high energy, more focus. That seems to be a theme for me. But I really love this record. So I don't know, maybe John or I are going to do well on the year end as well, because this definitely deserves

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It serves a consideration. Awesome. Um, uh, Diffney, uh, to men anchor, uh, on metal blade records. Uh, I talked about this, uh, one on our mid-year cast and how it kept going in and out of my list. And I know it made a couple of your top 25. So I had to go, go back to it. Well, according to somebody on Facebook, nobody listed it. So, you know, they didn't listen to the whole cast. What? No Diffney? But it's back on my list.

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I think it's a really breathtaking progressive sludge detonation of a record that's dedicated to Frank Herbert's Dune or Diffney.

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Diffney.

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Diffney, I'm sorry.

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That's how they pronounce it on the planet.

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You know, I thought it was funny.

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I didn't realize this until later, but during the mid-year episode where people were saying Diffney because the V, the U is a V, I was wearing my True Brewing shirt the whole time that said,

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T-R-V-E.

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Yeah.

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I'm like, get a fucking clue, babel.

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It's on my chest.

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Triv-ry.

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Triv-ry.

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Triv-ry.

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Triv-ry.

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True.

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Come on.

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Triv.

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Triv.

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Arf.

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Triv-ry.

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Triv-ry.

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No, not Triv-ry.

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Oh, God.

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All right.

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The next one is Oryx Lamenting a Dead World on Translation Loss Records.

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I believe Jay and Will had this on their lists.

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I'm not really sure what happened when I was doing my list because this album is pretty awesome and very much in my wheelhouse it's really excellent death and doom it instantly reminds me of incantation but it also has like an evil black and sludge sound to it that it makes it stand apart so I've been spinning that a lot more and it's called Oryx O-R-Y-X lamenting a dead world well no you you you acknowledged it I remember in the moment you did and you're like yeah yeah dude it almost made my list

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So I think it did. And that's why I want to revisit it. Cause you had a Jay and I think we'll had it too. And I was like, man, I got to go back to this again. Yes. And I couldn't figure out how it was spelled out, which is why I didn't make my list of things to go back to listen to from you guys. Cause I couldn't figure out how to spell it. So then in addition to those albums that I've been spinning from, from everybody's lists, um, I've been loving this band called hellish form and their new album is called remains on translation loss records. It's a real,

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It's a real slow serpentine funeral doom sludge, but there's some synth and drone on it throughout the album that really works well on it. Sometimes when you have a marriage between those very different sounds doesn't work, but I think Hellish Form does it really, really well. So that's something I've been spitting a lot. And then I also can't stop listening to a band called Anti-God Hand. So their full length was my number three at mid-year, but they also released two EPs this year that have been really,

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on constant rotation for me. So the newest EP is called X. And they also did one called Endless Excavated Earth. And both of them are on American Decline Records. And this band just hits me in all the feels. They play this bleak, menacing black metal that's layered with, I'd say, technical passages and these bursts of forlorn, cascading guitars. And they started adding more progressive elements on X.

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And it just blows me away. Like, I already liked the albums, but now with X, they're just doing even more while still keeping that sound. And I haven't really heard anything like Anti-God Hand, but their music's just connecting with me in a way that just doesn't happen that much in metal. I mean, I like a lot of albums, but I just really am into this band. So those are the things that I've been spinning lately. All righty. Cool. Matt? I'm not going to lie.

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I have not listened to a ton of new stuff. Probably at the top for me, Year of No Light, Consolamentum. I feel like this is mostly instrumental French post-metal. I've been digging them since their album. I think it was Nord. I really dig the new Withered. Verloren. I've been meaning to listen to that. Yeah, I've been liking that a lot. Also, Thy.

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And I mean, no surprise here, but I've been kind of making up for lost time with Bosk migration. I had this, for work, we were doing a video shoot out of town and, you know, I had like an hour drive to the job site. And it was like, just for me, I just listened to Bosk the whole way there, the whole way home, almost on a spiritual level for me. And then I've just been listening to a ton of classic rock. I don't know if you guys

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I just remember me mentioning it last time. I found that as a good avenue to pollute my children's minds or at least begin to like plant that metal seed. And over the fourth, we were out of town on vacation and we saw some kind of live cover bands. And like for my kids to be like, oh, I've heard that song in your truck and being like, yes, I'm doing it. Like I am corroding their minds. I'm polluting their brains.

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And so I would say right now I'm at the stage of like kind of the realization and the kind of the matching of saying just things like, oh, man, the Doobie Brothers are different than the Bee Gees. And I kind of dig some of their older shit. And just being able to like take songs I've known my whole life, pairing up who sings that, and then, you know, making note of that. I feel like for me, the next stage is going to be kind of digging a little bit deeper into things.

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And unfortunately,

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with classic rock,

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there's so much that that will take probably a good year of my life.

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But I have to recommend to you a BG's documentary.

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Yeah,

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it's good.

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Jay,

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I saw it.

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I really enjoyed that.

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I need to give it a title,

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but it's,

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it was like,

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I think it was an HBO thing.

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Do you remember?

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I think Barb wants to see that.

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It's called,

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how can you mend a broken heart?

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It was really fucking good,

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dude.

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Cause they have a kind of both tragic and glorious past.

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And,

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And they were amazing songwriters. Anyway, I really highly recommend it. It was a great, great documentary. Just real quick, Jay, best scene in the whole thing is when they discovered how high Barry could go. And they're like, maybe we should keep doing this. Actually, yeah, and they did. One of my favorite scenes in the whole thing was a joke one of them tells. And they're being interviewed. And it's right around the time of Saturday Night Fever, so they're making all this money. And the guy says, how does that change?

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your lives, you know, and Robin Gibb looks at him, he says, I don't think it's really changed our lives that much. I was talking to a friend of mine the other day while he was cleaning my shoes and, uh, it's a good joke. Even if you don't like them, it's a good documentary. Yeah. It's just a good music documentary. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Yeah. You done, Matt? Yep. Okay, cool. I have hardly anything to mention because

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because as I said earlier, I have not been listening to really metal at all since the mid-year because I needed a break. So I'll go through these quick. Two albums that were divided on. That's why I was glad that we switched to the Metal Thunderdome because I only have four albums and two of them we just talked about. The Pestilence and the Thigh Catafelk. I won't go much into more than those. We already talked about them, but I do like that Thigh Catafelk a lot. So that's cool. We all like what we like.

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The next one I just discovered called Salamoff, Stasis Cocoon. Yeah, they've made my list with their first album. The second one didn't quite make my list. Is that a new one, Sean? When did this one come out? It just came out. Okay, so last year's album didn't make my list. I will check out the new one. Yeah, I want to hear this. I'm not going to say it's progressive death metal from the 90s. It's like old school death metal meets progressive

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that makes sense. Totally. Totally. It's almost sort of like, um, it's got, I think like, uh, think of Chuck Schildinger's more progressive stuff, really, I think. Yeah. But they also go down an edge of sanity Avenue a little bit to the, there's a little bit of mellow death there. Not much, but you can hear a little bit of, of that in there. And it's, it's not a long time. I shouldn't speak too much because the truth is the first one is very different from the second one. So this one might be very different as well. I haven't heard it.

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And I love the, I'll quote their band camp. They describe the story themes are inspired by sci-fi, horror, fantasy, i.e. Swamp Thing. Cool. Hellraiser. Cool. Lovecraft. Cool. And MTG, which I didn't know I had to look it up and that's Magic the Gathering. Lost me there. Nice. Yeah. And then the last one I have here is Scythe Lord. Have you guys heard of this? Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, you told me about this. I don't know what it is about me and technical progressive thrash this year, but man, I just keep finding them. But there's only like six albums out for the whole year, and I apparently found all of them. The third album from a band, that's two guys, one from US, one from Sweden, and I think the one guy's got like a big Twitch account or something. I don't know what is the deal with Twitch lately. So anyway, if you like riff-driven kind of technical thrash with Prague Elm,

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this might be right up your alley. That's it. That's all I got. Cool. All right. I'll be pretty brief, too, because I have not listened to a whole bunch of new stuff. Like, for instance, the stuff on the script I'm listening to, the stuff you guys post, I do listen to. I'm always watching the posts, even when I don't comment on them. So I've been listening to that kind of stuff and also just kind of like filling some weird holes in my collection. I was doing some research. This will not be my Thunderdome, but I was doing some research.

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from my Thunderdome. And I realized I hadn't, I didn't own a copy of Tokyo Tapes by Scorpions. And I'm kind of revisiting the older cooler when they were cool and good Scorpions stuff a little bit lately, stuff like that. But I've also just spent way too much time on guitar players and things lately, particularly Randy Rhodes. And I'm going to share instead of adding anything else to my list, I found this cool thing on YouTube where he had done some guitar clinics on the Diary of a Madman tour.

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And somebody taped some of them on an old cassette tape and made them into YouTube videos. And there's no visuals. It's just him talking. But I learned so much from these things. And so it's been some of my listening is listening to these things. Plus, it's fun to hear him talk. But I will share with you a cool fact that I learned from one of them. And all the guitar players there are all like, what fucking key is this? And they're talking about like Diary of a Madman and Over the Mountain stuff. And he's like, it's a half step. They're all a half step down. And first off, they're all like, oh, because they're wondering why they can't play along with it on the record.

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But here is the cool trivia fact that I learned from listening to these things. And he says they had a tuner in the studio where they recorded it. And this wasn't when they were like guitar tuners. It was like they had this one master tuner that they all used. And he said throughout the recording of it, it kept slipping down and down and down a half step without their knowledge so that the record Diary of a Madman is a slowly descending key. Because then it's always a little flatter than what would be actual E or something. That was so interesting to hear that. And it was just a technical bullshit thing that happened.

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And it's why for years people have been trying to play along with the solar system. They're like, why do I have to play this a half step up? That makes no sense. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. That's cool. That's funny because I did a Diary of a Madman recently and I was like, I was like, why is this? Well, no, I was just like, why is this? You know, yeah. Well, no, just because nobody like changed tunings back then. It was, you know, everything was in standard. So. And they would go down. These days people will down tune all six strings.

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just so that somebody who's getting old like Ozzy can sing in a lower register. But this was just a mistake that it's just slowly slipped and slipped and slipped until they were all. Although like Sabbath, that's all like C sharp, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I included it in my listening thing because I got some great joy out of listening to these guitar clinics and listening to all these 1980s kids geek out and ask them questions and they didn't know what the fuck to ask them. So they'd just be like, could you just play something, man? And he would just rip off the coolest thing.

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It was fun. It was fun to listen to. So that's it for me. All right. It's funny because what I've been listening to the most lately is me. Taylor Swift. Is me? No, me. Oh, oh. I've been working on this Ramones cover album for the last few months. The tracking's all done.

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for like a month now. And I get why people are like, I'm so tired of hearing my recordings. Cause you're just like over, I've done so many different dozens of mixes and shit. And now you're tone deaf, aren't you? You can't even fucking hear it anymore. I bet. I can't. I'm like, I, and I, I'm taking, I'm literally taking a break now. Cause I'm like, I, I can't tell what's good and what's not. Um, so mostly I've been listening to me. It's all about me.

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But if you want to, George, I'm no expert, but if you want to send it to me, I could be a clean set of ears for you. I will do that. I've got like 12 songs that need some hearing that I have no context for. Send them along. All right. By the way, I love the Trevor story or the Trevor story, but the Joel story of you having sent him a one of these covers. And he was like, this is really good, George, but it was a Ramones song. Yeah. Yeah. And so I just love to think that he's like, hey, George, this song you wrote is great. And you're like, dude, it's Hotel California, man.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was very nice and offered me way more feedback than you would. I mean, it's Joel. He's, he's a musician. He's a master at his craft. So it's no surprise that he would like come back with all these really good notes. Um, but, uh, yeah, anyway. Uh, but I did actually listen to some other stuff and came up with a reasonably, uh, okay.

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list. But anyway, Cerebral Rot, I'm sure Will would have mentioned that had he stuck around. Excretion of Mortality, their second album, their Seattle Death Metal Band, real dirty, dirty death, as Matt would say. Diabolizer, Chalkedonian Death, first album from a death metal band from Istanbul, Turkey. Also one that I...

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Yeah, exactly. I think Justin mentioned this already, but Drawn and Quartered, Congregation Pestilence, eighth album, another Seattle death metal band. I wish Will was here for this one, too, because I know he digs these people, and inexplicably so, but inexplicably, this is a podcast favorite, and that is Dream Troll, Realm of the Tormentor, their third album. They're a UK power kind of metal band.

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It's like so cheesy that you can't help liking it. I can't. It's troll metal. Yeah. I feel like I probably cannot like it. Next up, General Surgery, Lay Down and Be Counted, Swedish Carcass Worship Gore Grind. It's their first new EP in nine years and fucking rips. Then we have King Buffalo.

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The Burden of Restlessness, their third album. They're a heavy psych band from Rochester, New York. I'm not really into that sort of thing, but these guys caught me with their last album, and I like this one a lot, too. I think I had their last one. That's correct. I remember that floating around. Yeah, it was very good. And my final one, I just picked it up yesterday. It was supposed to be out last month. It was meant to be in contention for my mid-year, but they couldn't release it on time. It was supposed to be released last month, but it did not come out until today.

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Saturday and didn't come out until yesterday.

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And that is Vincent Crowley beyond Acheron,

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the first album from the former singer of Acheron.

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It's like a death doom album and it's really fucking good.

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So,

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you know,

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you just said something that reminded me of this and I don't remember what the fuck it was,

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but it was that I meant to tell Justin,

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if you did not know that his favorite band Anthrax,

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since we're talking about Stephen King among the living,

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that title track is about the stand.

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Yes.

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By the way.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Just a heads up.

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That's not a pitch for anthrax.

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It's just.

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No, I mean, listen.

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Just a dumb fucking trivia.

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My head's full of it.

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Thank you for sharing.

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So polite.

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Even though the dude on the cover for Among the Living looks like the dude from Poltergeist

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2 who's all like, let me in.

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That's who he looks like.

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Yeah, I always think of the guy from Phantasma. Oh, yeah, that guy too. Yeah, that Phantasma guy. Yeah. All right. So ridiculous. Moving on to our 12 of the podcast, we now have a top five to do.

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We made a list, man. We all made a list. We made a list, man. We all made a list. And we're going to tell you all about it right now. Let's do this. And despite his best efforts to give me a different topic, Justin and I settled on best album title tracks, meaning songs that are also the album title. And Justin and I settled on best album title tracks.

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I'm sure you know how this works so give us your number five okay well we've been talking a really long time so we don't have to go into it because you guys have talked about it enough I was kind of like it my side of things but my first pick my number five is Mastodon Crack the Sky fuck yeah dude good call not my favorite song on the album but still a great call yeah I love all eras of Mastodon and I'll just leave it at that we don't have to get into it again we don't need to go down

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That rabbit hole? Exactly. I feel like we did enough rabbit holes. Fair enough. The yard is full of holes this evening. Yeah, I'll fill a few in. Yeah. All right. Then, Marcus, what's your number five? My number five is Blackwater Park by Opeth from Blackwater Park. One of my all-time favorite Opeth songs, if not my favorite Opeth song. It's everything I love about Opeth in one track, basically.

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One Stop Shopping. Yep. All right. Matty. Like you, George, I did not go super deep on anything. My number five. Oh, I go deep. For the list, I went shallow. And my number five is Heartwork from the album Heartwork by the band Carcass. Carcass. Fair enough. All right. John.

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ones that other people wouldn't think of because

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we're going to get all the usual suspects so I figure why not branch it out a little more so I did my best but I have a feeling several of these would get picked so you know what are you going to do exactly now Marcus will like this pick I know for a fact he will my number five is from the gathering after 1997 album nighttime birds nice yeah but what's called night I was gonna say what's the song called

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A follow up question we will not be needing. I love that album so much. Yeah. Considered it not on my list, but I love it. So my number five is funny because I actually considered your number five, Markisan, but I chose not to go that direction. But I did, in fact, and this is not a nod to John go with the next record, which is Deliverance and the title track Deliverance or the next record after Damnation. But Deliverance is one of my favorite Opeth songs of all time.

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Title Track is great, innovative, awesome. Right on. Nice. Nice. My number five in homage to Will is Slayer's Seasons in the Abyss. All right, there you go. That's what God said. And if Will was here, he'd be like, number five! But, you know, he's not here, so. No, he told us that was his number one. Yep. All right, Justin, number four. Okay. Let's see what I got here. Okay.

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So this one is one of the ones I picked. Again, I'm sure you can probably find other stuff that sounds like this, but to me it was an album of the time and it's always stuck with me. I mean, I don't hear about these guys anymore. I don't even know if they're around anymore. The band is Behemoths. The song is God Was Created. That's like a Christian death metal. Oh, wait, no, the other one, the other one, the other one, gotcha. Yeah, it's actually not.

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It's actually cool. One of the few, like, I'm not like a big, like, I'm gonna sit there and read the lyrics type of thing, but I remember with this one, I did that. It was actually this really cool story about this guy who was in love with this girl who was, like, in love with Jesus, but, like, in, like, a physical way. And it was, like, her obsession and his anger towards her, and it goes throughout the album. So it's the one with, like, a weird, like, head on the cover. It's got a terrible album cover, yes. It's a very terrible album cover. But it's a

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It's got this cool combination of brutal death vocals, but with mellow death guitar work in it. Just really catchy shit. Again, it's that riffy stuff that catches me. But yeah, if you haven't heard of it, I suggest checking it out if you're into that style. Cool. Nice. Mark us on. My number four is Chemist Hunted from the album Hunted,

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So everybody knows I love Chemist. This is my favorite song that they've done. I've played it hundreds of times. I love the whole track, but that last seven minutes really gets me right here. Every single time when Phil starts singing, I see him. He comes forth from darkness. He takes form. And whenever I see them play, I hope they'll play that track. And they usually do play that one. I think it might be their longest song. If it isn't their longest song, it's pretty close.

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Some men are longer than others. Braveheart. Matt. Cool. All right. My number four is my favorite song by Iron Maiden. Number of the Beast from the album The Number of the Beast. Woe to you. It's going to be said about 12 times, even though there's only six of us. And I know some of us may not have it. That's fine. I might say it too. He says it will be damned.

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I'm wearing the shirt, but I can guarantee you I'm not going to say it.

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You like Maiden?

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I do, yeah. I'm not like a... I don't have the knowledge and time listens that all of you guys have put into it. I realize that, but I like Maiden, yeah.

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They were there in our impressionable years.

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They were our...

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They're one of the funnest bands to smoke weed to, I'll tell you that right now.

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I'm not that much.

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You must be listening to more recent albums. I have not. I actually don't remember the last. I'd probably Brave New World was the last. It's like an Empire of the Clouds, man. Just be like Empire of the Clouds. 20 minutes. Brave New World is a really good choice for this list. It's the last one you need. It's a good stopping point. John. All right. So I know a couple people will appreciate this pick. I think this is one of the best closers on any metal album ever.

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I know. Nevermore. This godless endeavor. Off the album. This godless endeavor. You know, John, I gave it serious consideration with the only thing was that I didn't know if I could honestly say it was my favorite song on the record only because there's so many good songs. But it is probably the best song on the record. I consider Dead Heart in a Dead World, actually. That's a good call-out, too. That's my favorite. I love that one. Yeah, that's a good call-out. Okay. Jay? Me. Mine's just super

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And you know, these guys are the elephant in the room, at least often. But it is a great song, and it is a great record. Master of Puppets. To me, that track, even as great as that record is, that's the best fucking track on that record by a long shot. It's a step forward in metal technology, if you will. I mean, as long as you don't think about Damage Incorporated or Orion. I honestly think it is the best song. I'm just kidding. No, no, no.

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Well, but you're right, though. As soon as you start thinking, you're like, well, shit. Yeah. Yeah. Same thing with the Nevermore. Yeah. All right. My number four. Black Sabbath, Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath. Oh, OK. OK. I thought you were going to go with Black Sabbath. So did I. I did, too. You know, honestly, that didn't even occur to me. Yeah. But no, fucking Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath. That's like probably one of my favorite Sabbath songs.

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That's why it's on your list, George. Exactly. See, I didn't go deep, but it was meaningful. You went true with a V. Exactly. It didn't matter how long it was. It's how you use it. Exactly. It's not the size of your pencil. It's how you write your name, George. I use crayon. We are back to Justin. It's back to me? Okay.

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Um, uh,

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uh,

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hate eternal King of all Kings again,

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probably not there.

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What would be considered by everyone to be their best record,

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I guess it's,

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but it's my favorite record.

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Cause it's the record.

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I,

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I came into them.

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I saw them a whole bunch on this record.

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This fucking song rips lie.

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People go fucking ape shit.

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When the song comes on this and the one that follows it powers at be,

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uh,

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powers to be,

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I don't remember.

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So something like that,

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whatever.

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Uh,

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but yeah,

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I love this song and it was actually one of the first ones I thought of when this topic came up for some reason. This one just popped in my head immediately. Rutan. Love him. That's why I like the, that's why the Cannibal Corpse made my top, my top list. I feel like if he didn't have an involvement, I honestly probably wouldn't have paid attention to it. Oh, damn. Glad Will left. Maybe we talked about it, but didn't, I don't remember if we talked about it, but isn't Rutan writing a biography or something? Autobiography. I know he's coming out with a tab,

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Is that what you're talking about? Maybe it's just tab book. It's a big difference. Yeah. Technically you wrote it, right? Yeah. All right. Well, I mean, it's just, you know, music versus an actual story. All right. Mark us on. All right. Yeah. My number three. So this band made an appearance on my top 50 of the last 50 years cast that we did with their 2001 album. And this track of the same name,

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So it happens to be my favorite song they've ever recorded. And it is Lateralist by Tool. I think this song is a progressive metal masterpiece. I think it's more than any other song. It really captures Tool at the height of their musical powers. It's like nine minutes of just really gorgeous ebbs and flows. Killer drumming on there, of course. And just a really heavy as fuck main riff. So, you know, this is like my favorite Tool album.

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Like the one I consider, I mean,

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they've always been metal, but just really great metal riffs throughout this one.

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But this song in particular just encompasses everything I like about the band.

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I agree with everything you said, including that that is probably their best song ever.

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Yeah.

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And they got a lot of good songs, so.

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They do.

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Hooker with a penis.

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That's a good one, but I don't know.

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Not as good as Ladderless.

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It's one of my favorites.

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Just saying.

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I might be in the liquor game.

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Four degrees, man.

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Four degrees.

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What we need is a visual book, just like the Matt Pike for Tool, because some of the song titles and lyrics are pretty loud. Yeah, they're all going to be fizzed. Yeah, stink fizzed. So I don't remember how many months ago it was, but I realized like, hey, I need to have a Judas Priest camp. And so I did my Judas Priest research and I found my camp and that camp was an album. Thank killer.

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It honestly only took me about 10 seconds to realize that this album was what my camp was based on the song and that is Painkiller. I thought you're going to switch and go with Turbo. Yeah. To be fair, that is the best song on that record. Except it's called Turbo Lover. We can argue with it. Yeah, good point. Out in the Cold is kind of. Yeah, Out in the Cold is a great song. Actually, I mean, I fucking like Turbo, so go fuck yourselves. Yes, sir.

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Will do. I don't need your damn parental guidance. That's right. Oh, no, no. So my number three, apparently I didn't know that this guitarist did not attune his guitar in the studio until about five minutes ago. And that's Ozzy Osbourne, a.k.a. the rest of the band, Diary of a Madman from the 1981 album, Diary of a Madman. I feel better for not having chosen that now because I didn't choose it and it would

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be an obvious one for me so I'm glad somebody said it I'm going to tear a page from a book Matt's book but a few pages earlier because this song to me sound this song represent the cover represents this song so well I think it's the best song on the record and the scream at the end of this song sounds like this sounds like vengeance I didn't hear anything there for a second well yeah it's that but then it does that it's the hellion scream

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Screaming for Vengeance is... Well, it's a little higher than that, but you did good. Yeah, Screaming for Vengeance is such a great kind of track. And also my favorite track on that record. Why'd you like the whole record? I want to do Screaming Bird Voices every cast now. You and Blake from Pig Destroyer. Hate Beak. Hate Beak. Hate Beak, it's right. Are they still around? Yeah. I think so, yeah. There's some...

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There's like a column, I think. Yeah, there's a column. And they actually had a new feature. There was a new one out recently. That was Jay, so me. John, what was your number three? Dyer of a Madman, baby. The dude who does not attune his guitar song. Exactly. That's my number three, too. Dyer of a Madman. Is that the first repeat? Yeah, but it won't be the last one. Yeah. It is the first repeat.

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All right, Justin, number two. Okay, my number two is Immolation, Unholy Cult. Probably my favorite Immolation record or close to my favorite. It's an awesome song on its own. It definitely is my favorite probably on the album considering it's like eight minutes long. I literally just found out yesterday when I was

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looking at this, I'm like, oh shit, this song's eight minutes long? I had no idea. It's cool. And it's like, to me, it's kind of their transitional record from the more modern-sounding Immolation to the more old-school death metal-sounding Immolation. So I dig it. I feel like it has everything I like about them in this record and in this song. Right on. I love Immolation. They're due for a new album, man. I think I saw they've been recording. I don't know what that means, but I know they've been recording. Their last record.

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was my number one. Whenever that was. That is up there. They have a really solid catalog, but that one is up there. Yeah, it's really good. Yeah. I saw them with one of the last shows I went to was them and Bloody Incantation, actually. Oh, that's a good bill. Yeah. Yeah, it was fun. Bloody Incantation will be at Decival, I believe. Is that not correct? Yeah, I think so. Oh, are they? That's right. Nice. John and I saw them at

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I forgot. Oh, I'm excited. Uh, my number two is high on fire, blessed black wings. Uh, high on fire is one of my favorite bands and a black blast wings is my, as the first album really, I got into the band. So I really love their, that kind of, um, that motorhead meets slayer battle metal that they do. And this particular album, um, you know, because it's like one of the real first ones I got into, it was like, um,

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That's why the title track really makes my list. So I think it's one of their best songs. It makes me want to unsheathe my Conan sword and slash up some supernatural beasties down by a river of blood, basically. Sure. But also, I think High on Fire has some amazing album title tracks that could easily be in this position for me. Death is This Communion was another one I considered in Snakes for the Divine. Yep. All good choices.

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I think I might be the bigger fan than will to be honest with you and it's funny

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bless black wings actually stands out as uh it's a little bit different than the other ones and and I kind of like the other ones are a little more I don't know how to say it it's a little more old school or something it's more raw yeah but I also think you're absolutely correct I think that was a great choice and that is probably the best song on that record too so mm-hmm Matt

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So for my number two, I had the band in mind and I had about three. Well, for me, I had three albums to choose from. The album I went with was South of Heaven. The track is South of Heaven and the band is Slayer. On and on. Pretty good band. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, no. They'll be back. No, they won't. I'm going to buy.

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I still would put money on that. Yeah, I don't think so. Tom's like, nah, I'm done. John. So my number two. This is my favorite song, my favorite album from this band. And I think it's the best vocal performance from this singer, which is saying a lot. And it's by far, in my opinion, the best riff ever written by this guitarist. Jumping on the George train.

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Black Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath. So much for having a list that nobody else picked anything from. You know, I might have chosen Screaming for Vengeance only for that reason. I was like, nobody else is going to pick this. I thought about it. Did you? That's good to know. All right, cool. I'm at the point dragging this out. My number two is Number of the Beast. One of the most wonderful heavy metal songs

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of all time. And by far one of the best music videos ever. Absolutely. And also, by the way, another record, though, not unlike the Nevermore, the Metallica, and all the ones we mentioned, where there are other contenders there. I do think that is the clear winner, but everything else is a close, close second. With the exception of maybe Gangland. Close third. Yeah, they could have swapped that out for Total Eclipse. I want a review of Malcolm Dome,

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Somebody wrote a kind of retrospective about Number of the Beast, and he said, gangland is proof that you should never let your drummer write a song. Because apparently Clive Burr wrote that song. So there you go. George. Number two mentioned already. Master. Master. Master of Puppets. So on and so forth. Nice. Justin, let's bring this thing home. Okay. So, oh, I also wanted to preface. So, I picked those, my me albums,

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three albums earlier. I think those before we picked this topic. Oh, it so happens that probably all three of those would have been in here, but I figured, you know what, I'm going to take the opportunity to like put other shit in here because why not? Right. Um, so with that being said, it would be suffocation piercing within. However, in this instance, my number one is, uh, Sepultura arise. Cause that to me, that's like my, that's like the, I was just obsessed with the artwork on that album. I just don't think it's,

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It's awesome to look at constantly. Every song fucking kills. That particular one. It's also probably, to me, that's one of the best opening tracks to a record for me. Out of the records that I love, that's one of the best opening tracks. That's another top five. Best opening album opener. It's actually one we've done, I think. Yeah, I know. Oh, yeah, I think it is, yeah. We haven't done opening tracks.

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Oh, maybe we have album closers is another one. We did album closers. No, no, we have to do album closers. It's on the list. No, we did album closers because I remember you chose Dora Madman for one of yours. I totally remember, but it's been a couple of years now. John, we need to catalog this shit because it's on the list. Where are we at? No idea. Me, me, number one. Yeah, yeah. My number one. So, well, there's a truth that's hardest.

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Steel Dare Metal Heads. Yeah. And it's that Dio's Holy Diver is my favorite album title track. So it's my all-time favorite Dio song from my favorite Dio album. And just thinking about that track makes me want to jump on a motherfucking tiger and belt out the song lyrics. Right at the tiger. You can see the stripes. I have two different t-shirts that are both the cover of the album and one of them's the baseball and one's the t-shirt and they both have on the back. In between the velvet lines there's a truth

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I just love that song so much. There's actually a graphic novel coming out

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called Holy Diver that's about it. Very soon it's going to be out and it comes with the vinyl

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if you buy that deluxe set. I'm actually really looking forward to it.

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I love just driving and listening to that song over and over.

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I considered it.

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My number one pick represents the theme that I actually wanted to go with

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for this whole list and that was the band.

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has a song of the band name and the album is the same name. Bad company. As the song. Right, right. A trifecta. I just realized I was too fucking lazy to dig after I found two. Black Sabbath would be one. Yep, Iron Maiden being another one. But my number one is Black Sabbath by Black Sabbath. Ah. Black Sabbath. Good job, Matt.

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That's right, Iron Maiden is the same thing. Interesting. Right now? Did Motorhead do it too? Yes. Oh, yeah. Overkill, Motorhead. I don't think it's on Overkill's first record, but Motorhead has a Motorhead song. We tried to do this list once. We should compile that because there's more. Yeah. Deicide one? Is there a song called Deicide? Is there a song called Deicide? I feel like there might be, but I could be wrong. There's only one way to find out.

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Well, there's a lot of ways to find out. To the Google machine. Yep. Remember wondering things and just never finding the answers to them? Yeah. We'll never know. That's why I'm never disconnected from my phone because I always want to know things. I'm like, hey, random thought. Look it up. Ooh. You know, I have a camera. Yes, they do. I'm wondering. Yep, they do. And it is on the first album. It's on. Self-titled. Self-titled. Oh, here you go.

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Well played, sir.

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John.

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My number one

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is by far my favorite

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closing song to an album,

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at least a metal album, I should say.

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And when you see this song live,

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they like to draw the opening note.

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The singer will tell you to listen to that note

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that you hear coming through the PA

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and they want you to keep humming it

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as long as you possibly can.

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And the crowd tries to do it.

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It's really funny because he realizes they're all gonna run out of air when they do that. Like Marcus said earlier, Opeth, Blackwater Park. Yeah. I mean, I knew it was gonna be your number one, John, but I love the description there. If you watch the roundhouse tapes, he tells everyone, do you hear that note in the PA? Hum it. And everyone's like, and he's just like, okay. Opeth was my last.

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They played at the really famous one in the city.

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Radio City.

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Apollo.

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The Apollo.

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The Apollo.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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It was awesome.

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I've seen Still Life guys.

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That's my jam right there.

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That's my number one for them.

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Fuck yeah.

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I've seen them at Radio City, Jay.

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I remember that you went.

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I would love to see anybody there, actually.

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I've seen actually three metal bands at Radio City.

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or three bands, I should say. I just want to see Opeth again because it's just awesome live. But the anniversary album for Blackwater Park, I think it should be shipping any time now. If it hasn't, I ordered it. Because I need two more variants. Did you get it, John? What do you think? And I got another CD of it because it has all the fan pictures in it. Like, I need that. Yeah. I don't. No. But you got it anyways. My number one is the

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The Founder's Stone, The Architect's Dream, blah, blah, blah, whatever I'd say. And I like the synchronicity of the fact that the album doesn't truly have a title. It is the name of the band, as Matt pointed out, and it is Black Sabbath by Black Sabbath. The album is called Black Sabbath, but it's a self-titled album with a self-titled track. The album is the title of the album, and the song is the title of the album and the band of the track. You get it. And it's perfect. And it's also a great fucking song.

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And it's the best song on the record too. Yes, she is. Agreed. And then when you hear it, they're like, what is this? Jay is retrieving something from me. Well, just a reminder of this and it takes some of the creepy out of it, doesn't it? Oh, yeah. It's so adorable. There is a Diary of a Mad Men one now too, by the way. I'm not going to get it because I've got too much Ozzy shit, but it's just like this. It's a plastic case with a diary cover and then a little Ozzy Funko Pop there. They're just releasing it. Nice.

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My number one, nobody mentioned it, but this was the first one that I put on my list. I was like, right away, I was like, oh, I know this is going on here. And this is the band Iron Maiden, but it is not Number of the Beast. It is Power Slave. Oh, another good one. That's interesting. I would probably fight you on that being the best song on that album, but. Oh, no, I mean, I didn't say it was the best song on the album. I just said it was my number one title track.

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that is also a song. I mean, Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner is probably my favorite song on that album. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's one of the best ever from that. And Jay's still not convinced. No, no, no, no. I'm just, I know I was, it was funny because that song actually came up on my swim pod too the other day and it was. Did not make you cry. It did make me cry. It did. I was going to tell that story, but I was like, they won't believe it if I include that in the story. But it's not, it's not when down in falls comes the rain. It's the.

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And then when it spills over, you know, the other thing, it's just too emotional, man. I can't take it. You know what I'm talking about, right? The build after the scream. Yeah, yeah. Wow. Losers. No, man. Live after death and shit, you know. All right. Well, there we are. Wait, hold on. There is one other band album song that we didn't mention that was on my honorable mentions. Metal Church. Ah, okay.

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That's a good call. That is. Metal Church, Metal Church, Metal Church. We should really, really try to get that down sometime because I bet there's like five we can't think of. I got a whole bunch more. Yeah, okay. Yeah. The one that's the most confusing is Black Sabbath, The Mob Rules off the album. Mob Rules. No, the. Yeah, sure. Stay in class from Priest. There's all kinds of them. Yeah, Stay in class. That's a good one. All right. Well, we still have to do our album of the episode.

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So, Justin, of everything that you or any of us have spoken of, what would you pick as your album of the episode? Oof, I forgot to do this one. I always forget, too. I think of it, at least, yeah. What do I want people to listen to the most? I guess because I'm the highest on them right now, I'll go with that Cryptcrawler, Future Usurper. I'm just really digging it.

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There's nothing like, like I said, there's nothing like they haven't heard before. It's just done really well. Like it's done by people who obviously love death metal. And I really picked up on that and I've been really high on that album. So I'll go with that. I also give a little bit of a shout out to two bands that are from around here that I've fallen in love with the past two years. And that's Moontooth. I feel like people, I feel like they should be bigger. They're, they're kind of alternate, alternative metal.

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I guess you can call them. I feel like it's written by metalheads, but it's not quite metal. I guess you can kind of say it's like that weird, like in between where you're not sure. But the guy is an amazing vocalist. They've just really good music. You could hear the musicianship. I love them. And then another one, which I'm sure some of you guys are aware of, but Grace Guys Fallen, who's also a local band from here. I really got into their Cold Deadlands record from last year. That's a good record. Yeah.

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I really like that song a lot. I have a very low threshold for clean singing and I really like what they do with the clean singing. You're a good replacement for Will. Lots of death metal, no clean singing. I like clean singing, but I like greedy clean singing. I'm not into, I would say World Dane was my top, like that. I don't go above him and I usually go below him.

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And if it's in that range, it's got to be a certain type of, it's got to be like a little bit of a grit to it, I guess. I don't know. Where do you stand on children singing? I don't think I even let myself listen to things that have children singing. When he said you were a good replacement for Will, we're actually asking you, Justin, would you please replace Will? We'll see if he listens to this whole episode. Oh, yeah. He won.

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at least not for another six months or so no fair enough all right uh mark us on what's your album of the episode yeah so usually i pick a new record uh just because i like to pimp something that's just come out but i'm gonna go with something older on this one um because it got me to do a deep dive on the band and that is high on fire blessed black wings so just thinking about the top five just made me want to go down that rabbit hole and listen to to all the high on fire stuff and i actually

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I actually picked up a bunch of albums on vinyl because I just I didn't have them I just put it off and so now I'm really into that stuff so hopefully I'll put out some new material soon cool Matt they are working on something I have to apologize I'm in a dead set tie Leviathan by Mastodon or Turbo by Judas Priest actually would be Crack the Sky by Mastodon that was the one mentioned just

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That's true. That's true. I don't know if that changes things for you. It doesn't for me. I'm still turbo. I'm still turbo. Okay. Okay then, John. I have to say one thing before we finish here. Matt, I was really confused during your top five because you kept saying this next one is from the band. I know. The band, like Big Pink. I was waiting for you to say up on Cripple Creek or something.

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Chest Fever.

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Yeah.

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The weight.

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Long Black Veil.

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All right.

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I'm going to pimp a new album.

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The Scythe Lord.

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Earth Boiling Dystopia.

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I really like this album a lot.

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So give it a spin if you haven't heard it.

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And if you haven't heard it and don't want to spin it, don't.

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I don't care.

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All right.

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I'm so damn tired right now.

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I know.

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I just turned into Will.

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I'm ready to be like.

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Yeah, we're right there.

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Wait, what time is it there?

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It's almost midnight.

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Oh, shit.

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Okay.

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Let's get these boys to bed.

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Mine, you're going to think I'm doing the lip service here, Marcus, but I literally,

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before you said what you said, I went with Blessed Black Wings.

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I love that record.

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I'm such a big, huge high on fire.

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All right.

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You're high on Markisan.

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I am.

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When I got my turntable, the very first band that I got complete on was High and Fire. And I ordered, I paid big bucks for some of them because they weren't out. Or they were not currently being printed. So if you put Furio Whip on, a really good system on vinyl, just put your cap in a different room. And also just having that illustrated book of lyrics too. Everything's coming up High and Fire. So it's about time you did the deep dive, Jay. Gotta get into it.

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What, me? I got to do a deep dive for High and Fire too. It would be a revisit on my part. I mean, I have spent a lot of time on High and Fire. There's no corner of their career that I'm not familiar with. And I've gone out of my way to try to meet him since he fucking lives here and I never seem to get lucky enough. It's awesome that it influenced your pick at the end. I really like that. Absolutely. No, no, no. It was nice to hear that title shout it out. Not enough people understand how good that record is. That's funny, Jay.

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You mentioned meeting them and seeing them. And I've actually hung out with those guys before. And I like them, but I'm not that big on them. Sure, sure. Yeah, fine. Fuck you, John. Hey, Jay, King Diamond's over here right now. Sorry, you're busy. See you, buddy. King, come over here. I want you to talk to my friend Jay real quick. George, album of the episode. I have to disregard my top five because obviously any one of those would probably be a relevant choice.

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But I'm going to go with Vincent Crowley Beyond Acheron. This is just, like I said, I've been listening to myself a lot. I haven't been listening to a lot of metal. But this one, as soon as I heard it, I was like, boom, me likey. So I recommend it highly. Oh, Christ. Sometimes when you get to a place and it's been such a long journey, you're just like, fuck it, dude. We shouldn't have come this far. This was a long one. Yeah. Well, don't promise anybody,

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$3,000 for getting here.

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What was that?

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When did I make that promise?

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It was at the end of the last episode.

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You were like, and if you've gotten this far, you've won $1,000 or something.

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And Project Rowan Wolf called you on that and said, hey, we got to the end.

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Where's $1,000?

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It's funny.

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I didn't even want you to explain that earlier.

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I was just like, okay, I'll get my wallet.

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Like, I didn't know why I said what I said.

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Anyway.

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It was just one of those, you know, can't believe if you got to the end.

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Justin, you're a prince.

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I sent you a Facebook friend request, which I trust you will accept.

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Okay, cool.

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And I do hope that you will truly, if you will drop me a line when you come out here, I'll meet you for a drink, buddy.

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We can go to some place you want to go or whatever.

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Yeah, that's cool.

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I don't give a shit either way.

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I'm down.

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Yeah, totally down.

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I appreciate you guys having me on.

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I know I must have made it long and hard, but I hope I didn't make it painful, at least.

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That's what he said.

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I had a blast, dude.

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No, it's not really any longer than any other episode.

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No.

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It's actually shorter

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Yeah, we're under five hours

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and we're probably going to cut at least a half hour out of that

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I was going to say, there was a couple things

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I could have thrown in story-wise

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I'm like, you know what, I'll keep it tight for everyone

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That's what he said

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Now look, man, you're on fire here, man

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But I will say, you were a very interesting person to talk to

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and a lot of fun

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And it's nice that you love metal as much as you do

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Go on, Jay, say it

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You know you want to

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Worst guest we ever had

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No, I'm famous for saying to every guest, you're the best guest we ever had. So I won't fucking say that. But I think it's, it's been a real pleasure talking to you. And it's great to see your level metal. And I appreciate all you guys and everything that you do and the time you dedicate to this. It's really cool. And just know it's appreciated. You know, thank you. We'll have you back again. Yeah, hopefully we'll see you at decibel. Hopefully we'll see. Yeah, I'm gonna try to do my best. I'm gonna try to make it happen. All right, cool. All right. Well, thanks, everyone.

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We'll see y'all next time. Alright, boys. Peace out, Justin. Take care. See ya. Bye.

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Trolls me to make you way!

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