WEBVTT 00:00:00.020 --> 00:00:05.140 Metalhead Podcast, Metalhead Podcast, go! 00:00:26.200 --> 00:00:27.880 You must listen. 00:00:28.779 --> 00:00:30.080 You must listen. 00:00:31.220 --> 00:00:32.480 You must listen. 00:00:36.980 --> 00:00:40.420 Now, here is the podcast Metalheads Podcast Go. 00:00:40.800 --> 00:00:42.260 Hello and welcome to the Metalheads Podcast. 00:00:42.470 --> 00:00:43.280 My name is George. 00:00:43.960 --> 00:00:44.500 This is Jake. 00:00:45.400 --> 00:00:46.080 Me, I'm a Will. 00:00:47.560 --> 00:00:48.120 This is John. 00:00:49.080 --> 00:00:50.300 This is Matt. 00:00:51.020 --> 00:00:52.020 This is Markisan. 00:00:52.620 --> 00:00:55.820 And we are joined today by David Greger of Morta Skull. 00:00:55.860 --> 00:01:23.500 How are you doing, David? Very well, thank you. Thanks for coming on. Thanks for having me. So you and I met on the Dead Letter Omissions podcast recently and kind of hit it off, and you kindly agreed to come on with us here today, so thank you for that. No, I appreciate it. I feel like I kind of forced you, but either way, I'm happy to be here. Not at all, not at all. I was like, I got to talk to this guy because I think you and I had some really good dialogue going. I thought so. 00:01:26.460 --> 00:01:55.820 So that's why I messaged you privately. I'm like, dude, can I just come on your show so we can, like, you know. That's going to work for about 10 minutes and then someone else is going to cut you off because there's six of us. On this show, dialogue equals monologue, to be honest with you. George was gushing over the prospect. He was, indeed. Yeah, he was totally excited. He said he had a good time talking to you. Yeah, as well here. So back in September, more discussion 00:01:55.860 --> 00:02:24.960 Released Your Sixth Album, Suffer for Nothing. And I've got to say, this is a pretty solid slab of classic death metal. Well done. Thank you. Suffer for Nothing is the follow-up to 2017's Wounds Deeper Than Time. When it came time to start working on Suffer, how did you go about writing and recording the material? You know, what's your process? It's a pretty basic process. It's very old school. You know, just, I mean, it's changed over the years. 00:02:25.860 --> 00:02:55.280 Way back in the day, we would obviously get together, all of us in a room, you know, hey, who's got a riff and kind of pony off of this guy. Oh, I got this. I could add this, you know. Today, it's a little different because two of my guys live about an hour and 40 minutes north of us. So it's really hard to get us all in the same room more than once a week. In Canada? No, no, no. Northern Wisconsin. Okay. All right. So really, the process is pretty much, you know, 00:02:55.860 --> 00:03:25.240 I'll come up with a riff and I'll pony off the other guitar player and we kind of just keep going back and forth. That's one part of it. Another part is sometimes I just came up with a whole song like Dead Weight. That was all me. I just started with a riff and started adding and kept adding to it and then I just showed it to the band and then they kind of came in with their own thing whether it was a harmony or a drum fill or whatever and then just kind of the song is born at that point. 00:03:26.560 --> 00:03:54.940 What kind of things inspired you this time around? In terms of your lyric writing and stuff like that? Life. Life. I just literally go around. Sometimes I'll be driving in my car and I'll see something on a bumper sticker or something like, oh, I really like what that says, but I'm going to take this word out and put this, you know what I mean? So it could be anything. It could be something written on a wall. Sometimes movies. I'll hear a phrase in a movie and I'll be like, oh, I like that, but I don't want to plagiarize. So I mean, 00:03:55.840 --> 00:04:25.460 I can't tell you how refreshing that is to hear to be honest with you because it seems like some people always want to come up with some message no matter what it is and sometimes it's not maybe it's just like you said you're driving down the street you see something it jogs a memory or creates a memory and you got something to run with. 00:04:25.860 --> 00:04:55.820 And I kind of like that a lot better, I think, these days. Yeah, and so, you know, and I really tried not to overdo it either. I know on Wounds Deeper Than Time, I was really trying to write all these, you know, thought-provoking lyrics. And, you know, I mean, you read a lot of lyrics from, you know, Chuck of Death, and you're like, holy crap, the guy was a poet, or, you know, he was just beyond his time. And at Wounds Deeper Than Time, I felt I was trying to force 00:04:55.860 --> 00:05:24.700 lyrics more so than on Suffering for Nothing. On Suffering for Nothing, I'm like, screw it. I'm just going to write something. Nope. And my girlfriend's like, you know, Dave, really a lot of us don't give a shit about the lyrics anyways. So I was like, oh, okay. So I just kind of just scaled it back and I didn't try as hard. I just kind of let it happen naturally. And like I said, John, if it was a thought, it was a thought. I just put it on paper. Hopefully it works out. You know, she could have just said, you know, lyrics are subjective. 00:05:25.840 --> 00:05:55.780 She could have. Thanks, honey. Yeah, exactly. Hey, I wrote this one just for you, honey. Right. Don't get me wrong. She's a huge death metal fan. Oh, I know. That was the one thing that really attracted me to her as a person is she's not afraid to listen to Cannibal Corpse or Death. That's what we share in common. Death is like one of our all-time favorite bands. So, yeah, she's not really afraid to put in some black metal. 00:05:55.840 --> 00:06:25.400 or whatever. She's just kind of all around. She just loves heavy music. I can't even imagine that. You took the words out of my mouth. What? I don't like having a situation like that. Oh, yeah. It's funny. She'll buy me a death t-shirt. I'll buy her a death t-shirt. Or we'll get the latest CD from somebody. I'll be like, hey, oh, sweet. We got to crank that up. It's funny you say that because we are all married and none of our wives like heavy metal at all. Yeah, but Jen likes hard rock. 00:06:25.420 --> 00:06:55.160 So I went. That's not to say our wives don't listen to a lot of heavy metal. They hear all the time. Yeah. Well, but that also raises the unfortunate thing. And I wonder if this happens to you guys. We've never talked about this, where there'll be some story about a metal band that I can't fucking stand, like in the newspaper or something. And my wife is like, do you like these guys? You do not know me at all, honey. You know what I mean? Do you like Slipknot? Yeah, right. 00:06:57.080 --> 00:07:25.360 That just reminds me of that meme or that cartoon I sent you guys about Slipknot and Homer Simpson. Yeah. My wife likes the stories about metal. She likes to hear about the history of bands and things like that when I'm talking about it. Barb will watch documentaries with me on it. Right. Willingly? Yeah. My wife slept through. Oh, my wife did watch the Kitty documentary with me. Nice. Yeah, that was actually not a bad documentary. 00:07:27.140 --> 00:07:54.980 Thank you. It's on animals on prime. I've seen it. Well, was that on animal planet? No, but I do want to, to, to circle back around to a serious question. The common house cat is the most vicious killer in the animal kingdom. Yeah. And the laziest. No, but David, to circle back around to the lyrics and how you were talking about like, ah, you know, I just kind of like, didn't want to dive too, too deep into like, 00:07:55.400 --> 00:08:25.380 you know thought-provoking lyrics on this new one you're sort of just letting it flow naturally but one of the things i definitely appreciate about um your your vocal style is it reminds me a little bit of frank mullen from uh from uh and corpse grinder um frank mullen from suffocation corpse grinding you can actually hear you can actually understand what you're saying despite the fact that you're you're completely brutal in your your vocal style and that's one of the things i actually like like kind of like chuck chuck schoeniger was like that too like he could be 00:08:26.460 --> 00:08:55.360 I know what he's saying. And it's funny because today I was with my daughter all day and we actually went to Atlas, my brewery, and we were listening to some music. And I forget what we were playing. She's like, I can actually understand what they're saying, Daddy. So I do appreciate that about your vocal style through the years of Mortal Skull is that you can actually articulate and you can listen to the lyrics. With that said, you know, we know 00:08:55.380 --> 00:09:24.680 what you're saying. So don't phone it in. Is that his grocery list? What is that? I mean, seriously, think about it. Some guys could be singing about their grocery list. You're like, what did they say? Right. Chuck was probably one of the first guys that really influenced me. So the goal from day one, the weird part about it is on the first demo, 00:09:25.380 --> 00:09:55.340 I had another guy in a band help me because I had never sang before. It was a last minute decision while we were in the studio. So he kind of held my hand figuratively and for real. And we're going to write these lyrics, you know, so we're going to write real basic lyrics so you can sing and be effective. And he kind of wanted me to sing more in audible because that's how his style was kind of more of a John Tardy style. And so I kind of adapted that at first. And then afterwards, I was still very audible. And I just told him, I'm like, I can't. 00:09:55.380 --> 00:10:24.020 I can't slur my words like you. I have to pronounce my words. I have to. And that's the one thing that I always, I mean, I don't care what studio I'm in. I've done some backing vocals on a couple of like a, there was like a rock band here in town that wanted some death metal vocals. I did them. I told the guy, I says, you're not going to get, you know, inaudible vocals with me. I can't do it. So if that's what you want, I'm not your guy. I did some other vocals on a black death band from Michigan earlier in the year. 00:10:24.900 --> 00:10:53.980 came in and I just fucking laid it down and they were like so impressed or like Jesus Christ or like you drove an hour and a half for two lines or you know like like two lyric lines and you did it so fast and so professional we gotta have you do more of the song. No David I would say if you take your glasses off you kind of look like Jesus Christ by the way. I can't take credit for that. You know Jesus might have needed glasses too. He just didn't have them. 00:10:54.920 --> 00:11:24.840 Yeah, they didn't have the technology. No, but I would say that's a weirdly important thing because if you think about, and us on this podcast, we like the most extreme and extreme. But there is something to say about when you can actually hear what the vocalist is saying and enunciating and you can go along with the lyrics. Some of the most popular bands in the world or most commercially successful bands, 00:11:24.900 --> 00:11:54.420 in the world, you actually know what they're saying. And you can say that from, you know, whether it's Metallica or Slayer, you know, and go through the list of bands. Like, I actually think, and I'm a vocal snob, like, and these guys will let you know, like, I am a vocal, a death metal vocalist, heavy metal vocalist snob, and vocals will turn me off in a second. Dude, me and you both, there are some bands, I'm not going to mention them, but there's some bands. Go ahead, go ahead. No one literally listens. 00:11:54.420 --> 00:12:24.140 No one listens to this podcast. No, there will be. But like, there's some bands where I'm like, uh, well, here, good example. I just saw the new Michael Shanker video today and I fucking hate it. I don't like the guy's voice. It's the singer from Primal Fear. I never got into that band, but I'm like, you're killing, you're killing me here. I went from Graham Bonnet to Gary Barton, McCauley, Doogie White. And then this guy comes in and I just can't, I can't get past the vocals. I don't like his vocals. 00:12:24.420 --> 00:12:54.200 So I'm the same way. First of all, we can talk about Michael Shanker all day if that's what you want. I haven't heard that yet. I got the poster right on my wall. Fuck yeah, dude. I'm a huge fan. Me too. But I did read about that guy. Also, his name is so odd to me. Ralph Sheepers. What a weird fucking name. But in any case, I haven't heard the track, but now you've made me wary. He's got a new album coming out, doesn't he? Yeah, January. Does it have all different lead singers on it again, or is he singing on every one? Ronnie, 00:12:54.440 --> 00:13:23.140 Ricky Romero, which was in, uh, not deeper, um, I think for a while. And then he's got his own band. I guess he's doing a major part of the vocals on this record. He was in the, um, I'm coming back to do one summer's worth of tour rainbow thing that Richie did a couple of years ago. Yeah. Yeah. John, I cut you off. You were going to say something, John. No, I was just going to say, Michael said, Gary Barton was still going to be on it a little bit. 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:54.400 No Graham Bonnet, which sucks because I'm a huge Graham Bonnet fan. The new Alcatraz album for me, I fucking love it. I don't care if Joe Stump's an Yngwie clone or not. I think there's some very tasteful songs on it. Graham's vocal melodies just grabbed me, and the music is like, you know, I was never a big Steve Vai fan, so I didn't like that Alcatraz. I like, you know, the No Parole for Rock and Roll, and then this one came out, and I was like, oh shit, like, this could have 00:13:54.440 --> 00:13:56.020 came right after the Yngwie album. 00:13:58.520 --> 00:13:59.940 I was kind of a 00:13:59.990 --> 00:14:01.840 Graham Bonnet hater, to be honest with you. He used to be in that. 00:14:02.450 --> 00:14:03.540 Yeah, but no, but Assault Attack 00:14:03.700 --> 00:14:04.800 could change that for me. That was it. 00:14:05.270 --> 00:14:05.960 Right, right. 00:14:06.620 --> 00:14:07.080 I get it. 00:14:08.580 --> 00:14:10.880 So, going off of 00:14:13.120 --> 00:14:13.840 your desire 00:14:14.060 --> 00:14:14.820 for good vocals, 00:14:15.780 --> 00:14:17.700 that takes me back to the last time we talked 00:14:17.920 --> 00:14:19.720 when you talked about, we were talking about 00:14:19.920 --> 00:14:20.620 production as well, 00:14:22.700 --> 00:14:23.579 because you were 00:14:23.580 --> 00:14:52.580 You were talking about how even on the demos back in 1990, the production was, you know, decent. It wasn't just, it wasn't muddy and crappy. Right. Well, you know, it kind of goes hand in hand with the vocal thing. Right. So you had bands from our area, very revered bands. Not by me. I hate to say it, but I just, I didn't like their sound. Like their sound was so sludgy and just audible and razory. And please don't get me wrong. I mean, 00:14:53.320 --> 00:15:23.240 Bands in their own right. For me, I just couldn't get past the sound. And everybody's like, that's what we love. And I was like, oh, so you like shitty guitar tones. Okay, well, cool. Good for you. I don't. You know, we really worked a lot on our tones on those first two demos. And I remember I even went out and bought like some, all this rack mount gear and, you know, I just, I bought EQs. I bought all kinds of stuff because I really wanted that leprosy, just heavy guitar, you know. 00:15:23.300 --> 00:15:53.280 I just I wanted that nice clean kind of produced but heavy songs and you even go and listen to the demos today I think they still stand the test of time in my opinion as far as like quality with the recording and by the way I will I will give you a plug that um relapse release the they took your first two demos that put them together on one album and they released them on bandcamp through the eyes of the dead I just I have to also just jump in and say when you said demos today when you said demos today those two words together I heard for 00:15:53.300 --> 00:16:20.840 The first time what is an actually pretty thick Milwaukee accent you have there. I didn't really realize. Oh, really? Yeah, you totally did. You know, demos today or whatever it is. I know I haven't heard it. I don't speak it myself. I understand it, but I don't speak it. It's funny you should say that, Jay, because a good portion of Jen's family, you know, is from Wisconsin, even though she's from Chicago. And every so often she slips and says something and I just smile and she's like, what am I? Nothing. 00:16:23.280 --> 00:16:53.260 I used to have it when I was a kid and I moved to Missouri at nine that people were like you got an accent I was like you got a fucking accent dude what are you talking about but yeah and then he moved to California northern California that matter where we never had any accent whatsoever yeah now I have newscaster English I believe it's called literally that's what everybody sounds like well David you know congratulations on 30 years because the demo came out in 1990 so it's a big anniversary for that it really is it really is yeah it's too bad with everything going on we couldn't have 00:16:53.280 --> 00:16:54.940 done something special, you know? 00:16:55.800 --> 00:17:01.060 Well, lots of people are doing the online live shows and during the pandemic and all that. 00:17:01.470 --> 00:17:07.600 And I know last time we talked, you were, you'd mentioned possibly recording some performances, editing them, editing them and releasing them on YouTube. 00:17:07.709 --> 00:17:12.280 And I feel like I just saw a post from you a couple of days ago that there was something about that. 00:17:12.280 --> 00:17:21.620 Yeah, we just recorded on Monday and it was like, we got up around, we had to get up real early because my other buddy's band, they had the second part of the recording and we had the first part. 00:17:21.640 --> 00:17:51.220 So yeah, we had to start at like, I think 11 AM. I look at my guys and go, God, I don't know, man, singing at 11 AM. I was like, well, I used to sing at 9 AM when I did the first Milwaukee metal fest. So, you know, so yeah, we went in and, uh, yeah, we laid down, uh, seven songs actually. And, uh, we're just waiting on, uh, the guy to mix them up, edit them. And then of course, you know, uh, get all the video footage, edit it, make it look cool. And then, uh, yeah, I'll be throwing those out. I don't know when, but I'm hoping in the next like two weeks, I'm hoping. 00:17:51.640 --> 00:18:21.600 to have something in the works. Cool. Look forward to that. Pretty cool. The cover of your record is fucking cool, by the way. Thank you. Thank you. I'll tell you who did it, George. Go ahead. Oh, S.V. Bell. Who has done, according to your band camp page, Amorphous and Running Christ albums. And the Gutted album. And yeah, he's done quite a few. And it was funny because I was trying to get him to do like a short video clip of like, 00:18:21.660 --> 00:18:50.660 what came up with the inspiration. He never said nothing. I said, everybody is asking me what the inspiration was. I said, I really don't know. I picked the cover because I had the title of the record. I was on his page one day and he just had this painting. I was like, I really think this is it. I love our other album covers that we've done. They're real articulate. They're very, just all this different imagery going on. 00:18:51.680 --> 00:19:20.680 I thought was real basic. It gave me like a don't break the oath kind of thing. Dude, I was just going to say that. That's why, honestly, that's why I took it. That's why I was like, I want to buy this. Please don't sell it to anybody. Yeah, there you go. But I love that because there are these, like, quite frankly, like archetypes, dude. And that's one of the reasons I really like the cover is that it's not, it seems like it could have come out in almost any decade of metal. You know what I mean? Like it's sort of universal and it's just. 00:19:21.040 --> 00:19:50.680 And if I could interject real quick, I wanted to bring this up because of those colors. And I was going to see you had mentioned earlier about the print shirts on demand, which I wanted to at some point get to. I was going to say, if you do that shirt, I can guarantee you the first person who's going to buy it's going to be Jay. Because he's got the Don't Break the Overs shirt that he wore to MDF. I mean, I literally can see him like nine blocks away. Awesome. Make sure that the background color, the main color of the shirt is yellow. Yellow. Yeah. 00:19:50.780 --> 00:20:20.640 You know, you give me a yellow shirt, I'm your man. Jay, I found you everywhere in that parking lot anytime I needed to find you. Jay, can you put that on now? You know, it's down in the bottom of a drawer and I admit that I have to tell a story because it's funny, but it's short and it doesn't fit really well and it never has. And it was when I bought it. The story or the shirt? Both. But it was, I thought it was one of the best sales pitches I ever heard in my life. The guy, it was, the guy had one copy of the shirt or one, whatever. 00:20:20.760 --> 00:20:50.740 And I was like, hey, do you have any of those? In large? Because it was in medium. And he said, no, no. And I said, well, it's medium, so forget it. And he goes, oh, no, dude, it's a Canadian medium. It's not a thing. He was just like, buy the fucking shirt, man. If it was a Canadian medium, wouldn't that make it even smaller? No, because when you buy a book in Canada, it's always like $1.50 more. Yeah, right. That's probably where he got me was with the... If you look at the back, it's exchange rate. It just looks 00:20:50.760 --> 00:21:19.600 Well, it's because of the conversion, though. Yeah, I just said that. It looks funny when it says US $6.99, Canada $7.99. I'm like, man, they're getting fucked up there. Their taxes is really high, too. And their customs. But what do you call that when you pay one to come in? Duty tax. So, hey, David, I got a question for you. So all six of us, we live, eat, breathe, die on Bandcamp. 00:21:19.960 --> 00:21:49.920 The only two things you guys have on Bandcamp for Mortar Skull is Peaceful put out your new one Suffer for Nothing and then you have the Relapse release your demos. Is Peaceful going to release all your previous albums on Bandcamp? I don't know. The Bandcamp. Okay. I can ask them because I'm glad that you're mentioning this to me because sometimes I don't get to see everything. And I will ask them because 00:21:57.460 --> 00:22:09.500 Asmany Fates. It's not on Spotify. Why? I'm like, I don't know. So I go back to the label. I go, hey, some fan wanted to buy the record on Spotify. And I think within like a week or something, they had it loaded up. So I will mention that to them. 00:22:09.740 --> 00:22:39.580 Yeah, I think everything's on Spotify, but what I do love about all my co-conspirators on this podcast is we actually use our, we pay for stuff. Like, we get demos, but if we like it, we'll still pay for it. Promos, not demos. Yeah, promos. So, thank you. So, we will actually pay for stuff. So, like, if you release, you know, the older albums on Bandcamp, even though we may have the CD sitting there, like, we want the flyers. 00:22:39.600 --> 00:23:09.260 I cannot figure out how to burn my CDs on the flack, even though John has told me like 500 times how to do it. I can't figure out how to do it. We will literally buy them. I've gone back and bought all incantations discography just so I have it on flack files. That's the cool thing about Bandcamp is that you can get it on those higher. It might be high res. Yeah, the new Tombs album is $24.96. Nice. You might want to check with Peaceville. Sorry, George. I will. 00:23:09.620 --> 00:23:39.560 Because they have been releasing a ton of stuff. Catatonia. Catatonia. Everything's come out. But they're doing it like every day. A couple more come out. Because they're part of that whole burning shed thing and case scope, whatever, in England. And they're all releasing stuff the last month or so. All those labels have been putting stuff out. So, David, go back. Find the guy in Peacefield. Punch him in the face and say, release my crap on bank. Or just ask him. Just ask him. If you want to be polite about it. 00:23:39.600 --> 00:24:09.540 it. Right. Right. Well, getting back to what George was saying about the live performance type thing. I kind of correlating with the band camp thing. I thought to myself, well, I'm just going to get the MP3s from these songs. And I'm thinking about just making my own band camp. And then if people want to buy the live songs, they can buy the live songs. I don't know if that'll work or not, but I figured out worth a try. I think he could do that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they're going to be mixed and compressed. 00:24:10.020 --> 00:24:39.580 And, you know, I mean, they're not going to sound like shit. I mean, even though I've listened to them unmixed and unmastered and everything right now, just a live performance in general, it sounds pretty good. So, but yeah, no, that's what I thought. I thought, oh, I should just make a band camp of my own, you know, for Mortisko, where I can just sell our live songs for people that want to maybe hear some live shit. Yeah, you should totally do that, dude. Yeah. Cool. So, as Markisan mentioned, this is the 30-year anniversary 00:24:39.640 --> 00:25:09.000 of Mortis Scald. After having been in the business this long, what are some of the differences that you notice between now and then in terms of how things are? Back in the day, I felt it was more, it was just more organic. Like, you just wrote something, you recorded it, and like, people bought it. Like, now it's like, if you're not a flavor of the month or flavor of the year, 00:25:09.460 --> 00:25:39.120 or if you're not, you know, a trending band that everybody's buying, then it's kind of like, eh, you know, some people are like, eh, whatever. And it kind of sucks because I felt like back in the early days, it was more, it didn't matter who put out a record or who put out a tape. Everybody kind of got a piece of the pie. Everybody was looked at at the same level. Everybody was looked at like, oh yeah, I got to get this and I got to get that. And hey, I just picked up this and I just picked up that. And now I just feel like because of the amount of 00:25:39.140 --> 00:26:09.120 Bands that are out there. People can pick and choose more. And some bands, honestly, some bands, we get everybody's like, holy shit, holy shit. I listen to and go, I don't hear it. I don't hear it because I was around and Spiritual Healing just came out. It was their third record. It was my first demo. Obituary had two records out. DSI had one record out. I was around when all of that was just 00:26:09.140 --> 00:26:39.100 starting to bubble up and boil to the surface. And we were lucky enough to be a part of that genre that just exploded. And we were kind of like, I always tell people, I feel we're, well, we are, we're a second generation death metal band. We weren't the ones who started it, but we're a second generation. But isn't that crazy to think that you were second generation, but you're maybe like four, three to four years later than like your first, your first actual album release, you're like three to four years later, but like that three to four years, 00:26:39.720 --> 00:27:08.640 you're already considering yourself second generation. Yeah. Well, actually, actually, Dying Remains was actually recorded in 1991. For some reason, there was a problem with the label and they waited like a year and a half to release it. So that album was recorded. So you're one or two years later than some of that stuff. Right. But you're still considering yourself second generation, which is insane to me in a sort of way. Really? Why? Because it happened so fast. Yeah. We got to the second generation. 00:27:09.560 --> 00:27:38.240 But I do say, yeah, that's almost really first generation though when you think about it, because I don't know if I consider foundational. It totally is. Well, I mean, but I mean, because I think death is like the foundation. It's like, you know, first generation is the first born. There's the first death metal album, yeah. Yeah. It was, because that was not death metal. That's an ongoing argument on the podcast. I would even throw in there, I would even throw in there, onslaught power from hell. Yeah. 00:28:07.540 --> 00:28:07.580 Das war's. 00:28:09.140 --> 00:28:39.120 And we just wrote stupid shit. Like our singer wrote a song called Keep Grandpa High. You know, stupid shit like that. Because he couldn't sing to save his life either. He was more of like a talker. You know, like a talking kind of guy. But yeah, we did our first demo with that. Just totally naive to the point where we went to a studio in Minneapolis for some reason. Don't know why, because we have them here in Wisconsin. But we traveled to Minneapolis in a piece of shit van and we brought our PA because we thought we needed a 00:28:39.140 --> 00:29:09.120 PA in the studio. So that's how naive we were. But it's all the idea for Mortar Skull was brewing all the way from that. You know, we'd lost a couple of members and then we started getting heavier. And I was like, you know, I really want to like that testament, testament souls of black and the new order and legacy. That was all huge for me. Like just the tone, you know, I just wanted to get that heavy chunks and bite in there somehow. And I wanted to 00:29:09.200 --> 00:29:39.080 emulate them, but without sound, you know, totally sounding like them. So the premise was really turned, the wheels were starting to turn in 1989. And then 1990, I was lucky enough to, you know, get with a bunch of, uh, I was, I was an adult. The other guys were kids. They were like 16, 17, 18, whatever. And I was like probably in my twenties. And we were just lucky enough to where lucky scene had been so fruitful, uh, you know, with bands, uh, you know, 00:29:39.140 --> 00:30:09.060 like Dr. Shrinker and Phantasm and, you know, all these other great Acrofet and Realm. And we were just lucky enough to kind of slide in there. And it just kind of, you know, we did the first demo. And I remember getting called from Def Records at like four in the morning because, you know, they're in the UK. And they were like, dude, your tape, your tape, it's everywhere over here. It's everywhere. You know, we really want to sign you guys to a deal. And that's not back in the good old days. 00:30:09.140 --> 00:30:39.040 You know, like Metallica, I said, we did this and then this happened. And it was kind of the same story. You know, you could sell cassettes out of your car and make a living. And, you know. I think you should re-record that grandpa song and put it on your band cap when you launch it. Hey, so I'm curious, how did you get to that point? Because when I listened to you on the Dead Letter Admissions episode with George, you were talking about, because I think you're roughly my age. 00:30:39.160 --> 00:31:09.120 I think you might actually be a couple years older than me so I'm not the resident ARP guy here tonight. So you're like 63? You look good for 63. Well it says a lot about us Will. I just turned 54 in October. Okay and I'm 52 going on 53 so you had mentioned on there about how the first time you heard Blizzard of Oz. Yes. Ozzy and right away when I heard that I was like all right we're 00:31:09.160 --> 00:31:39.060 together because we grew up in the same era. Kindred spirits. Yeah. Well, yeah, because you were a little bit ahead of me. So I actually have two questions here. But the first is how did you get from growing up with that metal where you started cutting your teeth then to getting to death metal? Because it's not that it's a big jump, but if you grew up in the late 70s, early 80s on that metal, that's a completely different world. It really is. And it's only a few years when it starts, you know, when it changes. Right. You know, I had, 00:31:39.140 --> 00:32:07.660 I've always really been into soundtracks when I was younger. So I was into like the Flash Gordon soundtrack and the, what is it? Dark Nosh, I can't think of, the Black Hole. Oh, wow. I was just in all, yeah, I was in all these like really weird. And then Star Trek, the very first motion picture came out and I got the soundtrack and I just fell in, I don't know what it was about soundtracks. Right, right, right. You shut your mouth, Will. It's okay to be by, Si. 00:32:09.140 --> 00:32:38.900 So I started listening to that. And then all of a sudden, I think I got like a Styx record. And then like a Foreigner record. And I was like, Oh, this is this is awesome stuff. That's my right. Right, right. Me too. So anyways. So yeah, so I started really getting into that, you know, journey, Styx, Foreigner, you know, Alice Cooper, all the classics. And then I went to a private Catholic grade school. 00:32:39.460 --> 00:33:09.000 And I remember we were going into a pub. By the way, that explains everything. You don't have to tell us anything else. You could have just said it. You could have been my older brother. I had the same story. You're Catholic, aren't you? I was born and raised Catholic and you say no more. Me too. Me too. Amen. So I went. So I remember it was eighth grade, he graduated. And the next year, 00:33:09.140 --> 00:33:39.120 We were going to a public high school. I was scared shitless. And there was only out of all the guys, all the boys, and even all the girls, boys, whatever, in our class, only like three of us were literally going to the same high school. Everybody else is going to the private high schools, whatever. So I was like super nervous. And I just remember getting in there and I remember walking down the hallways and you see a foreigner t-shirt and a journey t-shirt, a black Sabbath t-shirt. And my friend, we were really good 00:33:40.080 --> 00:34:08.419 He had a lot of older brothers and sisters. So he grew up on everything. Zeppelin, all that stuff. Floyd. And we were, most of us, were sitting in a pizza hut, not far from where I live now. And we were sitting there and we were doing like a Dine and Dash thing. You know, everybody's like, all right, everybody get up one at a time, you know, and leave and don't pay nothing, you know. Artless, my buddy's like on a jukebox and I pulled the jukebox and I see, he says, he goes, you got to hear this song. 00:34:08.679 --> 00:34:38.139 I said, well, what is this? He goes, Ozzy. I'm like, who the fuck is Ozzy? He goes, you don't know Ozzy. He goes, well, you got to start with Black Sabbath. Let's start there. So he put on Black Sabbath, Paranoid, whatever. I was like, dude, I'm done. Mom, you know what I want for Christmas? I want every Black Sabbath cassette that's out. And I think at that time there was like, what, six, seven, eight, whatever there was at the time. So that Christmas, I got all Black Sabbath cassettes. And they were like $5.99 back then too. 00:34:38.520 --> 00:34:42.740 Oh yeah, I loved it. I think they're five 99 now. 00:34:44.780 --> 00:35:08.340 They're like eight to 10 bucks. Yeah. Uh, but anyway, so, you know, I stumbled on Ozzy blizzard of Oz was out. I said, Hey mom, I really want to get this record. Uh, I had, I had a paper out and all that. I said, fuck it. I'll just go buy it myself. Went and bought it. I think I wore the tape out like two or three times and, uh, just fell in love with it. And then when die of a bad man came out, I was like, wow. Yeah. Blew my mind. It's one of my favorite all time. 00:35:09.779 --> 00:35:15.020 I saw the performance right before Randy had died. Unfortunately, I couldn't see a lot of it because 00:35:15.140 --> 00:35:37.560 everybody was standing on their seats. So I could just see like Randy's head a little bit bob up and down, you know. I was really as disappointed because I really wish I would have saw more of the performance. I have to virtually high five you really quick again and just say my other 3D artwork is that I ever made. Oh yeah! I love it! I love it! I love it! So yeah, so you know, that kind of started my love for it and I thought, well, I'm going to be a singer. 00:35:38.799 --> 00:36:08.160 I loved Ozzy. He's a big idol of mine, but I wanted to be a guitar player. Cause I thought Randy was fucking awesome. And I tried to teach myself how to play guitar. It didn't work. Uh, and then long story short, I went in the Marines. I was like, fuck it. I I'm not good at anything. I'll go in the Marines. I'll be a service member. I'll retire, blah, blah, blah. Uh, went into service and, uh, I was home on leave and, uh, my buddy was like, Hey, he's like, uh, you know, we were, we were like, I would work. 00:36:08.200 --> 00:36:38.000 I kind of come in and help him and work sometimes. And I saw this cassette and he said, dude, he goes, you'll probably love this guy's. It was death leprosy. It's really good stuff. You like it. And I put it in and I was like, dude, this is it. I went back. I went back to service. I'm like, I'll get the fuck out. I want to serve my time. Fuck out. I want to be a musician. That's exactly what happened. I went back. I finished my tour. I think it was like maybe a year. I came back and went to the conservatory of music. 00:36:38.220 --> 00:37:08.180 for like I think two rhythm basic rhythm classes and then after that I just I said fuck it I'm not learning covers I'm not learning any of these material I'm just gonna write my own shit and it just kind of took off and then next thing you know what I'm listening to assuming impulse from pestilence and uh the craticism from carcass and then it just kind of just kind of kept snowballing cancer uh just all that all the good old just killer classic uh death metal man I 00:37:08.240 --> 00:37:37.800 I just love hearing people's descent into hell man. I tell you it's always because it does we've had this conversation. Are you talking about the music part of the Marine Corps part? Well of course I thought of you well when he said that because of course it was leprosy which I want to believe you first heard in the Marines but I could be wrong. But all I need to say is I retired from the Marine Corps. Did you really? Yeah. Oh separate five brother. Yeah. Yeah you still got it rocking. Yeah. And leprosy is his favorite death record. Yeah. 00:37:38.220 --> 00:38:07.720 It's by far my favorite death metal album of all time. I mean, we're all, we are all close in age and it just starts with so many of us. It's so funny how it goes, sticks, foreigner, you know, it's just a great, I love that trajectory. And it's my trajectory too. All of us really. But you know, here's the thing when you were, when I was in high school, you could wear anything from foreigner sticks, journey, Slayer, black Sabbath. And you didn't get shamed for nothing because it was all music back then. It wasn't segregated into genres like it is now. Yeah. 00:38:08.220 --> 00:38:38.140 I ask that question is because it flipped really fast. Because when I first started listening to music, it was ACDC, it was Kiss. And then overnight, all these bands that came out that were metal bands in the 80, 81, 82, it just completely changed from hard rock to now metal out of nowhere. And I only asked that question because I know I get a lot of shit for being the oldest guy and I self-deprecate about it, but it really was, it was like when we went from Pong to Nintendo. 00:38:38.260 --> 00:38:39.180 Yeah, for sure. 00:38:39.180 --> 00:38:46.520 I mean, it was, it was from cable where your cable remote was actually on a cord connected to your TV set. 00:38:46.680 --> 00:38:46.800 Yeah. 00:38:47.100 --> 00:38:47.200 Yeah. 00:38:47.740 --> 00:38:48.820 And then it went off a cliff. 00:38:49.080 --> 00:38:50.980 It just went completely off the cliff. 00:38:50.980 --> 00:38:54.300 You know, to go back to that genre mix thing too. 00:38:54.500 --> 00:38:58.620 That's why I want to, I love like seeing old pictures of the Reading Festival and stuff like that. 00:38:58.660 --> 00:39:04.360 And this is, and, and where there's guys who have like the, the old war vests, you know what I mean? 00:39:04.460 --> 00:39:34.440 and they've got like a motorhead patch and then they've got like a UFO patch and then you know what I mean like it's like it was so totally non like there was a lot of weird shit that got thrown onto one jacket and that was metal um Michael Shanker would have been on there too you know and that's so funny to me and then slowly it started to take over though now you don't see that as much now it's just like if they got a black metal one they're all black metal and death metal so anyway that is interesting and I you know I think we all remember those times with maybe very few exceptions well and you know for me too coming from 00:39:34.440 --> 00:40:02.020 You know, obviously he retired from Marine Corps. I wish I kind of would have, because now I'd be retired and I wouldn't, but then again, there would be no mortis gold. So it is what it is. Let me back up and clarify a few things. I retired from the reserves. So I did my active duty time and then I stuck with the reserves and I retired from reserves. But we can cut this out too, David. So what'd you do in the Marine Corps? I was a basic hygiene engineer. 00:40:03.100 --> 00:40:32.340 So I was at North Carolina. If there's any field ops or something like that, like we'd set up the showers or purify the water for drinking. Was that in the engineering field? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. We were on the same base as the electrical engineers and we were kind of considered like plumbers, so to speak, you know? Yeah. But yeah. We can cut that out if you want. Oh, I don't care. I'm not worried. What do you do now? What do you do now? 00:40:33.080 --> 00:41:02.460 What do I do now? I'm an unemployed musician. Congratulations. Thanks. Yeah, I lost my job back in March like everybody else. I'm sorry, brother. I'm so sorry. I fucking hated the place anyways, dude. I'm one of those guys where I really wish I, besides the music part of it, I wish I had a career to fall back on. But I just don't. I wasn't smart enough like some of the other guys where they said, fuck it. Good musician, but I'm going to go to college. 00:41:03.100 --> 00:41:32.600 And that's what it seems like in town here. It seems like these awesome musicians we have in town are all in cover bands because they went, they got good jobs. Obviously leave their jobs because there's no touring. You know, touring is just not in their lifestyle. For me, I've always wanted to be a musician. I want, I want to live it. I like you guys. I live and breathe the music and, and just the atmosphere of it. I pretty much hate every job I ever do anyways. I just do it. I just do it necessary. 00:41:34.040 --> 00:42:03.020 I got to have a paycheck. I'm very fortunate that my girlfriend has a very, very good career. She makes very good money for herself. So it does allow me to kind of sew it, be like a little bit of a slacker. That's all right. I think almost all of us on this podcast. Don't let her hear that. She hates that word. That's all right. And the funny part about it was I do pay my bills. You know, I do pay my own cards. 00:42:03.160 --> 00:42:32.540 My car note, but just small stuff like when we were moving, like Matt was saying, you know, you're moving at all these expenses. I never really wanted to be a homeowner. So I said to her, what's your first house for 15 years? You can own the second house. And after seeing everything she went through, I said, I'm glad I'm not an owner. I didn't have the money. I mean, she spent probably a good 30 grand fixing up the old house while we were there. And then she had to spend another amount of dollars here. 00:42:33.080 --> 00:43:02.960 And then buying the house and then having the two houses at one time and bridge loans. And I'm like, I give her credit because she's 41 years old and she is a smart cookie. And she just, she's no bullshit. Um, like I said, we both love death metal. We get along great. We love our beer and it's just a, it's a great relationship for me. I couldn't ask for anybody better. Is she there? Does she want to come on and like say hi? No, no. She's probably better looking than you. She is. 00:43:03.100 --> 00:43:32.940 I told her about the beer thing. It's funny, ironically, because I told her, she went out and bought this for me because she says, you can't go on, you can't go on there with like Mickey's malt liquor, Dave. So she bought me this craft beer from Milwaukee and she's like, well, at least they'll give you something to talk about. You know, I don't mean to, you know, she's a big craft beer freak. So I told her she'd probably get along with you guys, but she decided to, you know, go out with a friend. So please take this with you. 00:43:33.080 --> 00:44:03.020 Numerous grain of salt, but are you sure she's a girl, dude? I hope so, because if not, I'm in trouble. Yeah, well, I mean, hey, go with it, you know, but the other reason I keep hearing, by the way, I've been meaning to ask you if you know who this guy is, and I apologize, but the other reason I keep hearing. I love how uncomfortable Marcason looks right now. Super comfortable. I'm not uncomfortable. You're talking about dicks. The reason I keep hearing your Milwaukee accent. We've never done that before. 00:44:03.680 --> 00:44:32.500 Yeah, yeah. It's partially because I used to live in Wisconsin, but you also, I keep hearing the accent of a guy I like a lot, and I wonder if you know who he is, Mark Borchardt. That sounds real familiar. He's that horror filmmaker from your town. They made a movie about him called American Movie, which is like one of my favorite fucking movies. Yes, I honestly. And they're terrible movies. He makes shitty movies, you know. Right. Yeah, actually, I went, I actually went when he was having a screening for that. 00:44:33.100 --> 00:45:02.400 I don't know how I did it, who I was with, but somebody told me, yeah, it was called, what's it called again? American Movie. American Movie. Yeah, I was there. Like, all the actors were there. They were there. I didn't know anybody from Adam, but somebody told me, like, yeah, just come because you're in a band and maybe you'll make some contacts. So I was there for, yeah, I was there for the screening. I met him, but I don't know him, but I do know of him and I was actually there for that particular event. Awesome. What part of Milwaukee are you in? Are you right in Milwaukee? Yeah, I'm like, 00:45:03.500 --> 00:45:32.880 God, I'm trying to give you a landmark here. Are you familiar with South Ridge Mall? I'm right in the heart. I'm right in the heart of the city. Do you know Eagle Park Brewing? Yeah. My niece works there. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I'm real close to like, I'm just like, we're not in like the urban part of the city. You know, we're in kind of more of like the, like right outside the suburb type type kind of city. Okay. Yeah, sure. Right on. The, and let's see, you know, it's funny. You were saying, well, 00:45:33.100 --> 00:46:02.780 We brought up Chicago earlier. Who brought up was some interesting Chicago? That was me. I mentioned Chicago. But they're so close. Chicago PD, baby. They're so close, though, John. They are. Yeah, Chicago for me, depending on what part, I can get to the northern suburbs in probably like an hour. But like the city, if I wanted to go, let's say, the metro or somewhere like that, it's probably about a good hour and a half. Do you think it's really culturally different than Milwaukee? Yes. Is it like a world away? Yes. 00:46:03.080 --> 00:46:32.800 I know it's more violent there now. There's just a lot of fucking violence going on in Chicago. And no, there's some parts, like I said, when I go to the suburbs, I feel like I'm at home and I feel like I haven't left home. But when you go in the city, you can feel the vibe is completely different, especially like Milwaukee city is very small. You can drive through our downtown and probably like five, 10 minutes as we're Chicago. You know, you could get lost and you're in traffic. You're in traffic. First of all. Oh, I hate their traffic. 00:46:33.700 --> 00:47:02.880 I always wanted to live there up until a couple of years ago and I was like fuck that I do not want to ever live there but there are some motherfuckers getting shot in Chicago like seriously like the shooting numbers in Chicago are startling I think when we started talking about violence in Chicago we lost Markisan no I think his intercom for the building went off it sounded like that oh hey he's in Hawaii by the way yeah yeah he lives all the way in Hawaii so he lives in like a highway 00:47:02.900 --> 00:47:32.800 It could be an earthquake. It could be, yeah. Hey, David, I got to ask you something. Also, something I caught. It was a couple of things I caught from that Dead Letter of Missions that I want to bring up at some point. But we're talking about Milwaukee. I've been to Milwaukee once and I went to the Rave for a show. Oh, oh, oh, God. Dude, that place is fucking insane. You know what? I worked there for many years as well as played there. Mortar Skulls cut their teeth pretty much on that venue. Like we were the, I don't want to say we were the house band, 00:47:32.900 --> 00:48:02.260 But a really good friend of mine, Jack Koschick, who started the Milwaukee Metal Fest, he was like a booking agent there. And he kind of like made us a house band. So in Tomb would come through, we played. Carcass came through, we played. Obituary came through, we played. Autopsy, Death, Cancer. I mean, the list goes on and on. Sepultura. I mean, we just, he was like, hey, you want to do this show? We're like, fuck yeah, throw us on, you know? I've never been to a venue where there was multiple shows going on. Like, we had to walk through one part of it. Yeah. 00:48:02.920 --> 00:48:04.880 on to get to the big room. 00:48:05.960 --> 00:48:07.700 And the doors were open to both. 00:48:07.940 --> 00:48:08.180 Yep. 00:48:08.670 --> 00:48:09.420 They had like four. 00:48:09.620 --> 00:48:13.400 At one point, they actually built two extra stages in there. 00:48:13.470 --> 00:48:18.880 So they had six stages at any given point where six different shows could go on. 00:48:18.880 --> 00:48:19.880 It was insane. 00:48:20.150 --> 00:48:24.940 It was the longest walk-in I've ever had from front door to get into the main room. 00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:26.020 Right. 00:48:26.370 --> 00:48:26.500 Absolutely. 00:48:26.970 --> 00:48:29.900 But I had such a blast at that show there. 00:48:30.820 --> 00:49:00.780 Yeah, I mean, I do. That place will always hold a special place in my heart for me because not only did I cut my teeth on music there, but I worked there for many years and just a lot of fond memories. It's a shitty neighborhood, sucky neighborhood. It's getting worse. They've done a lot of renovating. Now there's actually, instead of like the open front parking lot, there's actually a gate. They have like a big kind of gated fortress round and now the front just because of the crime. Even the inside too, they've made a lot of 00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:05.800 a lot of improvements to the doors and the stages and the sound. 00:49:07.560 --> 00:49:08.920 It's a big place. It was a fun place. 00:49:09.320 --> 00:49:13.460 You know, if you think that's in a bad neighborhood, I have two suggestions, which I know you know. 00:49:14.500 --> 00:49:17.460 Harpo's is probably in the safest neighborhood I've ever been in Detroit. 00:49:18.200 --> 00:49:18.600 Harpo's. 00:49:19.680 --> 00:49:22.460 And, which is another crazy venue, Will will test this. 00:49:22.600 --> 00:49:23.780 Go to a show in Baltimore sometime. 00:49:24.280 --> 00:49:24.880 I have. 00:49:25.340 --> 00:49:28.800 I played the Maryland Death Fest. 00:49:29.140 --> 00:49:29.540 Yeah, I know. 00:49:29.620 --> 00:49:29.900 Trust me. 00:49:30.340 --> 00:49:59.740 And scary. We were, it was the first night and we were there just seeing bands and we thought, well, fuck, we're only like a mile and a half from the hotel. We'll just walk. Bad mistake. Bad mistake at two o'clock in the morning going through the downtown. I don't get intimidated a lot, but I was scared shitless. And then you get to Fells Point and it's fine. Yeah. Yeah. But you know what? You can't go to my buddy, I'll talk about this later, but Jim, 00:50:00.340 --> 00:50:30.320 Jim Forrester from... He was North Fells Point. Yeah, I know where he was. He was standing outside his tattoo shop in Fells Point and got killed. Wow. Yeah, that part where his shop was located, that's just on the upper edge of Fells. To me, Baltimore can be hit by the nuclear bomb and I'd be like, okay, sure. Yeah, but as long as Max's and Ale Mary's and Soundgarden are cool... The Ale Wife, yeah. As long as they... 00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:31.500 Yeah, yeah. 00:50:56.510 --> 00:50:56.860 Yeah. 00:50:56.880 --> 00:51:01.660 It really is. It kind of turned into this whole 00:51:01.660 --> 00:51:05.640 you're looking around like, oh, I don't think we should be outside the venue now. 00:51:05.840 --> 00:51:06.420 It's after dark. 00:51:08.280 --> 00:51:12.100 When I lived in Michigan, I remember one time 00:51:12.210 --> 00:51:15.080 a friend of mine and I, we went to a Tigers game. 00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:16.880 This is in the old stadium. 00:51:17.610 --> 00:51:18.600 I haven't been to the new one yet. 00:51:19.530 --> 00:51:20.820 We got lost going to the stadium. 00:51:21.820 --> 00:51:24.520 It was just like, you know, 00:51:24.900 --> 00:51:54.700 Burned Out House. That one has people sitting on the porch. Burned Out House. It was like a bomb had gone off. That's Detroit, man. That sounds like Camden. Hey, David, have you ever played the Northern Virginia, Washington, D.C. area? We actually did play in 2017. We were on a tour. The place is no longer there. 00:51:54.720 --> 00:52:24.620 anymore. It's shut down, but it was like... Empire Nova or Jack's? God, I probably should write this shit down before I come on in. Was there an Afghan restaurant next door? It was in Virginia, and it was right around a heavy populated college area. Planet? Ah, fuck, I can't remember. I know the venue did close recently. Sounds like a word about George Mason or something. Yeah, all I know is it was a great venue. The fans are great. I fucking loved it. I love Virginia. 00:52:24.720 --> 00:52:54.080 I can't wait to play there again. So truth be told, I'm the director of heavy metal operations at Atlas Brew Works. And we have, so you guys may be too big to play our venue. So we're a brewery. There's no such thing. Trust me. Trust me. I've played smaller clubs my entire life. There's a club in Indiana called Black Circle Brewing Company. And that place is tiny as shit. And we play there every so often. 00:52:54.720 --> 00:53:24.680 So we used to be able to fit about 250 until the fire marshal showed up one night with the Outer Heaven and Full of Hell show. So now we're down to about 150. That's still a nice size. Yeah, but we give you free beer. You like tacos? Yeah. Well, actually, the taco guy, I don't think the taco guy is around anymore. What's up with Fred, man? Well, I think COVID and whatever else hit. I don't know. Well, you're not having shows either. If you ever come to D.C., probably the guy you want to talk to 00:53:24.680 --> 00:53:53.980 is Juno Hassan. Hassan for Ripping Headaches Promotions. No. He does a lot of the stuff, a lot of the death and black metal bands in the East Coast. Oh, very cool. Thank you. At this point, you just contact me directly. If we ever have a show, we haven't had a show in nearly a year because of COVID, but my brewery, we host crazy amounts of shows. That would be awesome because my guys are really big into their craft beers, especially my bass player. Yeah. 00:53:54.720 --> 00:54:24.640 So no, we would enjoy that, honestly. And I, I, no, we've, we've actually played a couple of, like I said, the Black Circle Brewery and then we played another one. So yeah, it's, it's very common and it's, it's a fun time because you know, you're not just slamming down like paps, you know, and you know, we treat you right. We give you unlimited free beer. All the money goes to the bands. We don't, we don't keep any of the money whatsoever. We just are nice. I'm just, I'm just a music nerd and a beer nerd. So it's like, I was talking to George about this. 00:54:24.680 --> 00:54:53.420 because he had mentioned that you are a brewer. So I was saying to my friends yesterday, I go, yeah, I go. And one of the one of the guys in the podcast, a brewer, he goes, and he was thinking like a Milwaukee brewer, like a. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. My last name is Yelich. By the way, my last name is Yelich. Let me rephrase that. He's a beer. That's good, though. We've been we've been trying to find because all these bands are coming out with this beer. 00:54:54.700 --> 00:55:23.220 With the last album, I said to my guys, I said, I really wish I could find somebody to do a beer for us. I know it's hard. We're not Metallica or Mortarhead. I will stop you there, David. I will stop you there. For me, and I've done beer for bands before, but there has to be a personal relationship and it has to be that the band has a chance to have the beer. I've been approached by many, many bands. 00:55:26.059 --> 00:55:54.660 I'm embarrassing myself. What's the big death metal band out of Montreal? Gorguts? No. Cryptopsy? Yes, Cryptopsy. So I'm on the phone one night with one of the guys from Cryptopsy because I just got off a tour with a dude I know. He's like, you know, he's like, what do we need to do to get a beer? I'm like, well, you're in Montreal. Like, if we're going to do a beer, like, you need to be involved in the process. You need to tell me what kind of beer, like, if you can actually be there to brew 00:55:54.700 --> 00:56:24.640 the beer. I want to make sure that the band is heavily involved in the beer. Picking out the style. Actually being there to brew it. And that's the problem. So I've done a lot of beers for local bands. I'm down. Here in the D.C. area. But so what you need to do is get your ass from Milwaukee down to D.C. I can do that. You know what? But it has to be followed up by a show. Play a show. That would be perfect. Yeah. Because I. We can make that happen. 00:56:25.240 --> 00:56:54.080 When we were on tour in 2017, there was a band we were on tour with that was on the package, and a real young guy, right? He was a filling guitar player, and he was telling us, he's like, yeah, I'm getting my own brewery started. You know, here I'm thinking like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, you know, whatever. Anyways, so sure as shit, we get off the tour about a year, goes by this, and boom, he opened his own brewery. Actually, and we did play there. We were on one show after a Skeletal Remains run, 00:56:54.260 --> 00:57:23.300 And we just happened to be passing through. And I said, Hey, man, you think we could play your brewery? You know, it's like, yeah, yeah, that'd be awesome. That'd be awesome. And I was talking to him about brewing beer for us, but he doesn't, he's one of these brewers that like, it's, how can I say it? He doesn't can anything. He doesn't, it's just like a tap. So we were, we were telling him, and I told him, I said, I'll come down. We'll fly down. I'll do whatever I have to do. And it just never happened. And so, no, I, I, I honestly will. 00:57:23.540 --> 00:57:53.240 I would love that because I like being a part of the process. Yeah, so ironically, two of the beers that we've made at our brewery were for Detroit and Milwaukee area bands, who I know. So do you know Temple of Void from Detroit? No. All right, well. You should. We should just end this interview now. Who's the Milwaukee band? Ukiyara. Ukiyara. Yeah. 00:57:53.560 --> 00:58:22.820 Do you know those guys? No. They're young guys. Maladic Death Metal. Temple of Void is very, very highly regarded. Interesting. Like a Death Doom band from the Detroit area. So we've become friends with them on the podcast or separately, and they both played our brewery. So I get them involved in the process, and then when they play, we release the beer. Nice. So for me, as a brewer, and we can stop talking about this, 00:58:22.900 --> 00:58:52.800 in five seconds. But for me, it's like, I'm not just going to like, hey, I'm going to make a beer and then I'm going to throw some band's label on it. And they have no involved. They're not involved in the process, not involved in the style. Like, I want you involved. I want you to drink it. I want you to play a show. Absolutely. No, it sounds like a plan, man. If you do that, you give George and I a reason to come into D.C. early and get breakfast for dinner and then go get our ass slap. I will like 97 times during the show. 00:58:52.900 --> 00:59:22.780 Yes, sir. The good old days. We got to have metal breakfast first. Yeah. There's a place a couple blocks away that has the great breakfast, you know, all day. A diner. Yeah, so good. Well, we lube up with a few beers first, then we head over. Of course. And when he says lube up, he's talking about saying lube up, you know, if you know I'm tired. No, well, that's post-show. Come on, you know better. I think that's pre and post. And during. It's called after hours, Marcus. That too. Out of curiosity, though, David, 00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:51.920 What kind of beer would you want made for the band? Oh, man. That's, you know, we were toying around with the name. And we were at first, we came up with something called Hops Deeper Than Time. You know, Wounds Deeper Than Time, Hops Deeper Than Time. I really don't know. I'm more of a lager guy, to be honest with you. I know a lot of people scoff at me for that, but I like my lagers. But I do like a lot of other stuff, like the Hazy IPAs, you know, Voodoo Ranger. Right now, I'm drinking something called MKE, 00:59:52.300 --> 00:59:53.740 or that's the brewery MKE. 00:59:54.360 --> 00:59:55.740 It's called Outboard Cream Ale. 00:59:56.980 --> 01:00:04.300 So I, you know, I don't venture off too much, but I do, you know, I do like the different, the different beers, you know. 01:00:04.540 --> 01:00:08.980 So I don't, I would just leave it up to Will, like him and I, like you said, it would be a collaboration. 01:00:09.560 --> 01:00:10.440 Suffer for beer. 01:00:12.520 --> 01:00:17.920 Yeah, I would say that never apologize for being a lager fan because. 01:00:18.340 --> 01:00:18.820 I love them. 01:00:20.120 --> 01:00:49.680 The Pilsner, as a style of a lager, is the hardest beer to do well. Wow. And you always judge, always, always, always, whenever you go to a brewery, ask for the Pilsner first. If they have a Pilsner or a lager, ask for that first. If they can, and if they can brew one that tastes okay, then they're a good brewery. If you ask for their Pilsner and it sucks big floppy donkey dick, then you're like, I'm out of here. Yeah. We have a, we have a, we have a bar here. 01:00:50.840 --> 01:01:19.940 right outside of Milwaukee called the drunk uncle. And this guy, you guys would be, well, you'd probably be in heaven because he has 50 taps and he always gets like all these, like any lakefront, MKE, you name it. And then sometimes all these other breweries I've never even heard of. And he'll let them come in and do a tap takeover and he'll let them just bring all their shit in. And he only charges like two, I think two bucks or three bucks. 01:01:20.120 --> 01:01:49.200 Pint. What? Yeah, it's ridiculous. How does he stay in business? You know what? He just started raising his prices now, so like the more expensive beers. Like my girlfriend likes the fruity ones, and he'll do an eight-ounce pour, and he'll charge you three bucks for an eight-ounce pour. So she likes your beers like she likes her boyfriend? Good one. I'm not telling her that, though. So, David, I live in Minneapolis, and so we are neighbors. Hey! 01:01:50.220 --> 01:02:19.840 I've been in Wisconsin and drinking. It's been like my first experience. I can't even tell. I was outside of, let's see, I was outside of Madison. Okay. He's like, yeah, I'll take five beers. And he's like, uh, it's five 25. Five beers. He's like, yeah, five 25. You can literally go to his place. And, uh, I can't, I I've had so many different beers. I've been like, I can go with like 10 bucks and like walk out just shit face because it really is. And I mean, and then, and you know, it's even really more ridiculous is on Sundays. 01:02:20.580 --> 01:02:47.940 Saturdays and Sundays, he goes down to a dollar IPAs all day long. Yeah. You want to know what the difference is between where you live and where you live? It's going to cost me more than $10 an hour to park before I even get in the place. Oh my God, John, you're so right. Right? Yeah, but then all you have to do is get into Atlas and bat your eyes a little bit, wear some tight pants, and you get free beers all night. Man. I still pay for my beers there. 01:02:50.120 --> 01:03:19.700 and all this one. Skinny jeans. I'm going to draw the line there. Skinny jeans are not going to do it for me. Going back a ways to when we were talking about the music from the old days, I was wondering if you remembered what your first album was that you acquired. My record? My album? Yeah. Like the very first cassette you ever owned. 01:03:20.120 --> 01:03:49.580 Oh God, like with your own money. Or, you know, other ways. I know how you got your death leprosy, so. Yeah, I stole that one. Honestly, my very first LP would probably be the Flash Gordon soundtrack, believe it or not. But my first cassette was, I believe, Blizzard of Oz, actually. Cool. On Jet Records. Yep. You know, one of my first LPs was the Grease soundtrack, by the way. That was the given. 01:03:49.620 --> 01:03:51.640 for Christmas that year. 01:03:51.920 --> 01:03:54.120 And that was the year I got a record player. 01:03:54.300 --> 01:03:55.840 Hey, Jay, that's funny. 01:03:55.940 --> 01:03:56.720 You got the soundtrack. 01:03:56.860 --> 01:03:58.400 I actually went to the movies to see that. 01:03:58.840 --> 01:03:59.320 Oh, me too. 01:04:00.539 --> 01:04:01.280 Check this out. 01:04:01.500 --> 01:04:02.040 My parents took my brother. 01:04:02.040 --> 01:04:03.120 That's the podcast over. 01:04:03.900 --> 01:04:04.220 Yeah, sorry. 01:04:05.120 --> 01:04:10.880 My parents took my brother and I to see that because my other two brothers got to go to the Indianapolis 500. 01:04:11.240 --> 01:04:14.140 So our payment was they took us to see Grease in the theater. 01:04:14.210 --> 01:04:15.740 You know, that's so much worse. 01:04:15.810 --> 01:04:18.100 And for the record, I fucking hate musicals. 01:04:18.160 --> 01:04:48.140 It's the only one I actually like. Have you guys seen it? There's a heavy metal version of one of the songs. Have you guys seen this? I'll send a link if you haven't. It's actually great. I'll send it to you. It's fucking awesome. My first record was Jefferson Starship Knee Deep in the Hoopla. Your dad got that for you, right? That's right. Classic. Sticks. Mine was sticks. I don't know if I've ever mentioned this or omitted this on the podcast. My first ever cassette that I bought 01:04:48.160 --> 01:05:16.220 with my own money was Jay Giles, like the Freeze Frame. Great album. I was in third grade. But now, isn't this fucking crazy? We're talking about stuff that like just was like back. What was the other? Not Jay Giles, man. There was another one. They just eluded me. But yeah, stuff like that was just, it was all over the way. Dire Straits. They were huge. I mean, like Jefferson Airplane, Starship. I mean. I think after that, it was officially followed by like, 01:05:18.160 --> 01:05:48.020 High and Dry, Pyromedia. Yeah. And then On Through the Night. Oh, man. My first two cassettes were 404. And for those about to rock, we salute you. Both of those are on my USB right now. I love both of those albums. We were talking before you got on. I got to tell you, dude, I'm not too depressed about the new ACDC record. It's actually worth listening to. Oh, it's great. I just got it. I've been listening to it on YouTube for the last couple days. 01:05:48.160 --> 01:06:17.980 And I think it's really like I told my friends, what do you mean ACDC? I said, dude, it just you put on that first track and you just want to like go to the barge, like have a shot and like just start drinking beers. And there's a really sweet song in there called the Mists of Time that kind of reminds me of like a Cheap Trick song. I don't know. It could be a Cheap Trick song. I'm super impressed by it. I'm impressed. All the shit that they've gone through and how old they are. I mean, you throw anything at them like this is a great album. 01:06:18.180 --> 01:06:48.140 In fact, I talked to my dad the other day, and my dad, for my children's Christmas present, my dad bought the new one on the new ACDC on vinyl, and it's getting to my children. That's awesome. Dude, Brian Johnson sounds better than he's done it in years, dude. He sounds so good. Hey, Will, you got to up the ante now, and you're going to have to pick up like maybe Power Age or Highway to Hell for them and say, now this Brian Johnson stuff is good, but now I'm going to 01:06:48.180 --> 01:06:49.300 to introduce you to Bon Scott. 01:06:49.720 --> 01:06:50.180 Yeah. 01:06:50.600 --> 01:06:50.760 Right. 01:06:51.420 --> 01:06:52.420 What happened to Bon Scott? 01:06:52.620 --> 01:06:52.720 Well, 01:06:52.720 --> 01:06:56.260 he got drunk and that's debatable. 01:06:57.840 --> 01:06:59.460 It's a life lesson. 01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:00.260 Yes. 01:07:01.080 --> 01:07:03.120 Brian Johnson sounds really good on this record. 01:07:03.580 --> 01:07:04.500 Same thing with like, 01:07:04.720 --> 01:07:04.780 uh, 01:07:05.380 --> 01:07:06.160 Joey Belladonna, 01:07:06.700 --> 01:07:06.940 Anthrax. 01:07:07.080 --> 01:07:07.840 He's sounding great. 01:07:08.140 --> 01:07:09.680 He sounds better than he's ever sounded. 01:07:09.880 --> 01:07:11.020 I think he sounds better now. 01:07:11.340 --> 01:07:16.040 And then you go to the other side and like Don Dockin, 01:07:16.180 --> 01:07:16.280 like, 01:07:16.700 --> 01:07:46.660 I'm sorry man I couldn't even get past that minute of that video clip because I was so embarrassed for the guy I'm thinking to myself yeah you're either wasted up there your voice is gone I'm sorry bro but yeah I saw open yourself so David here's a question for you answer this because you're gonna split the podcast either way on this one oh shit Bruce Dickinson okay I'm gonna go out there I'm not a big Iron Maiden fan but 01:07:48.060 --> 01:07:50.840 I think his voice I think he just cut out on purpose 01:07:52.320 --> 01:07:52.760 yeah 01:07:53.880 --> 01:07:55.740 I think he's lost a huge step 01:07:56.540 --> 01:07:57.640 sorry so David 01:07:57.960 --> 01:08:00.260 complete that sentence because you totally cut out 01:08:00.520 --> 01:08:02.500 I said I'm not a big Iron Maiden fan 01:08:03.060 --> 01:08:04.500 I've like probably like one 01:08:04.650 --> 01:08:06.060 album out of their collection for me 01:08:06.540 --> 01:08:08.360 but I think the live stuff I've seen 01:08:08.430 --> 01:08:09.840 every time I put it on or hear it 01:08:10.420 --> 01:08:11.600 I think his voice is phenomenal 01:08:11.850 --> 01:08:14.120 I think the way he runs around 01:08:14.600 --> 01:08:16.660 and the cardio he does and then he sings 01:08:16.680 --> 01:08:46.620 like that. Yeah. So I, I think he's probably sounding the best he's ever sounded. So let me take that back then, because I think he sounds great live. So let's backtrack and say, you're not the biggest Iron Maiden fan. No, no, no. By the way, I went to a book, when he did his book signing here in the area, I went to it and somebody asked the question, there were questions at the end of somebody asked the question, how do you stay in such good fucking shape? And his answer was, I believe the human heartbeat has a limited amount of beats. So he said, so for three years of the year, 01:08:47.380 --> 01:09:16.600 I run around like a maniac and for the rest of the year I don't do fuck all. So he doesn't do anything to stay in shape. He just he's in shape because after the fourth show, you know, right, right, right. Yeah. You know, he might be losing his marbles a little bit because I seem to recall last time I saw him, I waited 30 some years to hear where he goes. I remember to come out and sing the fucking song. And I look over at Will and George. I'm like, 01:09:16.660 --> 01:09:46.640 You know, it's second song in and I'm pissed already. Oh, this is where I famously or infamously get drunk at every Iron Man show and record at every Iron Man show and I'm the one person who goes, no, that show fucking sucked. That show sucked. Everyone's like, no, no, it was great. I'm like, no, that show was actually really good. That show sucked. My whole thing with them is, I mean, are they a legendary band? Absolutely. Are they fucking phenomenal musicians? Absolutely. But I can only 01:09:49.180 --> 01:09:54.360 I can only hear that so many times before I go like okay I've heard it you've done it five albums 01:09:54.660 --> 01:10:00.240 already like let's and they have three guitar players you have three guitar players you should be doing 01:10:00.460 --> 01:10:04.000 something interesting with three guitar players I know they do three-part harmonies which is cool 01:10:04.600 --> 01:10:11.320 they do a lot of like Grateful Dead stuff now one guitarist is just basically flipping his cord around yeah 01:10:11.320 --> 01:10:41.280 He's a pretty good player. He's just throwing the guitar like 100 feet in the air. It doesn't have to be one or the other, but are you a priest guy? I'm a huge priest fan. I think Rob Halford's voice. You've redeemed your soul. Yes, thank you. And I say some words too. Right, right. And it's funny because I didn't really, I don't have the firepower. I just got the firepower record like a couple of months. 01:11:11.340 --> 01:11:40.120 and like spinning that record all night, you know, and then we move on to Talis or Helix or, you know, or whatever, you know. The last cast, we spent like 10 minutes of me opening that album because it came out for a record store day. I just finished reading the Rob Halford book. And, you know, we're known for dick jokes on this podcast, but oh my God, there is a lot of cock in that book. Great book, by the way. It's great. It's really good. 01:11:40.880 --> 01:12:10.820 Yeah, I haven't opened it yet. And it runs right up to the beginning of COVID. So. Wow. Nice. I'll get to it eventually. I got a bunch of other stuff I'm reading right now. My stack is too big right now, man. But I would also take this moment to remind other people to read the KK Down. Oh, my stack is so big. So to bring it back to the band. So based on what you said earlier, this sort of taints my question a little bit. 01:12:10.880 --> 01:12:40.840 because you said that you recorded the first album in 91 didn't come out until 93 but my question was right you released four albums in five years from 93 to 97 yes which is a much more prolific period than most bands nowadays yeah uh what was it like writing or recording so much music in such a short time well you know the thing is like i said i've never been uh you know i've always kind of you know i guess not trying to paint a bad picture of myself but like i've always just been one of these guys where i always lived 01:12:41.320 --> 01:13:10.740 I've always run the band. I've always been the leader. I thought, you know, it was just something I just, it just happened. So with being with that, I didn't really have a lot of the luxuries that some of the other guys had where they could just come and play and stuff. I had to do a lot of outside work stuff. So, you know, there'd be time job hop here job. You know, if I couldn't get off for a gig, I was like, all right, see ya. They're like, where are you going? I'm like, I got a gig tonight. I told you I'm not coming in. Bye. You know? Um, so unfortunately with me, um, 01:13:11.380 --> 01:13:40.600 There's been a lot of sacrifice. And writing the records was just one of those things where we were practicing at that point four days a week. I kind of ruled a band back then with kind of iron fist. I was like, you know, we're going to practice Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, Sunday. That's our practice schedule. I don't give a fuck what you got going on in your house. I don't care what your wife says, whoever's married, whatever, we'll be there. And there were times where Christmas, 01:13:41.880 --> 01:14:10.460 on a practice day. And I was like, don't give a fuck, be here. And all four of us, we would get together on Christmas, Thanksgiving, whatever. It didn't matter. If a practice day fell on a holiday, we still jammed and then everybody went about their business. So when you're getting together more often like that, it's not easy, but it's easier to write. Like now, we can write a full song and it might take us a month because we only practice once a week. But back then, we could write a song a week. 01:14:10.660 --> 01:14:40.640 So the process was much faster. And also, uh, the original lineup, uh, wrote a lot faster than like my current lineup does. Um, so like I, sometimes I go in a studio and there'd be like two songs I have no lyrics for, never sang over. And I'm writing them kind of as I'm in the studio because these guys would write so fast. Um, I turn around and they'd already have a song written or we'd have a song written and it just was a very fast process. So I think what helped us was the 01:14:40.680 --> 01:15:10.640 The Fact That We Wrote Most of Dying Remains in 1990, recorded it in 91, and then between that and Ask Humanity Fades, we broke up for a while. I went my way and the other three guys went their way, and then we came back together, and then Ask Humanity Fades was the product of that, joining again. And then it just kind of just kept going, you know, and it was just really easy for us because we were always writing songs. We were always writing. We didn't tour at all back in the day, and we didn't play 01:15:10.680 --> 01:15:39.480 We played out maybe once a month. But the gigs back then were so high profile. You're opening for Carcass and Obituary and Cancer and we're playing the Milwaukee Metal Fest once a year. So we didn't have to go on tour back then to sell records or be popular. You could play one show in front of like 1,000 or 2,000 people and then you're good for another month. You're good till next month, till the next show came along. 01:15:40.140 --> 01:16:09.620 Who are some of your favorite bands to play shows with? I love playing with Morbid Angel a lot. Those guys were real, you know, that was fun. Obituary was always a fun band for me to play with because we played with them probably over a half a dozen times in my career. So they were always a real fun band to play with. I'm trying to think who else. I remember Carcass was a really fun show because I remember up on stage, I'm like, hey, everybody, 01:16:10.900 --> 01:16:38.660 Come back to our place. I was goofing around and I get home and there's like 200 cars parked outside our house and they're like, where's the beer? I'm sitting here at 11 o'clock at night and we're like, yeah, we'll rehearse for you guys. We used to do that shit all the time. My poor bass player's mom, she'd be sleeping through the whole thing. We'd be cranking amps at 11 o'clock in a residential neighborhood and get a kegger going. Some real fun memories for sure. Awesome. David. Yes. 01:16:38.860 --> 01:17:06.400 Do you want to do a famous Metalheads podcast lightning round? Sure. I don't know if I'm prepared for it, but yes. That's the point. That's the point. Okay. Okay. It's to, you know, keep you on, off your game, I guess. Oh, okay. So the lightning round is, I'm going to say this or that, and you have to answer one of them. There's no, there's no thinking. 01:17:08.860 --> 01:17:38.100 And you have to answer. Okay. So it may be something like chocolate or vanilla. You have to answer. Okay. All right. I can do that. Can you do that? Yeah. Are you sure? I'm positive. There's some tough ones in here. I'm not COVID positive, but I'm positive. All right, David. Let me rearrange these things. So is there multiple things you're going to ask me or is it just one? 01:17:38.840 --> 01:18:06.080 There's like 20 of them. Okay. All right. Fair enough. It's called the lightning round because they go fast. Oh, okay. It's not a right or wrong. It's like black or red. There's one question. It depends. There could be a right or wrong. So there's a couple of them that you would definitely be right or wrong. Okay. In my opinion. All right. Hit me. All right. You ready? Yep. Beer or wine? Beer. Ale or lager? Lager. COVID-19 or gonorrhea? Gonorrhea. 01:18:09.500 --> 01:18:38.060 I have medicine for that. That's true. That's good because that was such a fast answer. I thought the answer was going to be, well, I've had it. It's not that bad. He said he was positive, just not for COVID. Beard or mustache? Beard. Toilet paper or bidet? Toilet paper. Iron Maiden or Judas Priest? Judas Priest. 01:18:38.860 --> 01:19:08.100 or quarantine? Quarantine. Missionary or doggy style? Missionary. Black album or chainsaw taint shave? Black album. That would be one of those questions. That's one of those questions you got wrong. I didn't know what the other one was. No, he was actually offering you a chainsaw taint shave. I will shave your taint with a chainsaw. Okay, well then I would change that. Then I would change that. That's how poorly he thinks of the black album. 01:19:08.840 --> 01:19:38.700 Death Metal or Black Metal? Death Metal. Plague or Famine? Famine. Face Mask or Pants? Pants. COVID-19 or Chainsaw Taint Shave? Chainsaw Taint Shave. Morbid Angel or Deicide? Morbid Angel. ACDC or Led Zeppelin? ACDC. Coke or Pepsi? Coke. Bill Cosby or Harvey Weinstein? Bill Cosby because he doesn't know who he is anymore. 01:19:40.500 --> 01:20:08.360 USMC or AARP? Oh, USMC. Well done, sir. You left out an important one, Will, which is Dio or Ozzy. Oh, no, no, no. I'm not going to go there. All right, fine. Oh, that's actually a good one. Dio or Ozzy. Black Sabbath, Dio or Ozzy. Yeah, Black Sabbath. No, no, Black Sabbath. Dio or Ozzy. Ozzy, Ozzy. Okay. All right. 01:20:08.840 --> 01:20:38.760 And that's also no wrong answer. Yeah. Even though, you know, when I was working at the rave, I worked for, I worked for Ronnie James. I was a production assistant. So really, basically, it's a glorified gopher with a car. So if they said, go out and we want, you know, ink cartridges or dinner or whatever, shopping for pants for me, whatever, I would go do that. And I usually would meet the artists. I'd have to take them to their hotel. I remember one night getting so pissed at Ronnie James because he's waiting and waiting and he's talking to every single fan. 01:20:38.860 --> 01:21:08.600 I want to get home to drink. He's waiting and shaking every single hand. And after that, after he had died, I remember that. And I said to myself, wow, Dave, you are such a dick. Like he is just trying to relate to his fans. So I took away from that. So when, if you come up to me at a show at my merge table and you buy something, there's two things you're going to get for me. One is a thank you. And two is a handshake. Yeah. I do. When you said hand, I was like, really? 01:21:12.460 --> 01:21:38.620 I was actually hoping for chainsaw taint shave. That's on the, what do you call it? The primo list, you know. The VIP. Yeah, you gotta pay for the VIP treatment to get the taint shave. Worth mentioning, Ronnie was famous for that, but also, let's not just gloss over the fact that you drove running James Deo homes or to the hotel, so that's cool, man. 01:21:38.860 --> 01:21:39.580 Yep, absolutely. 01:21:40.280 --> 01:21:43.420 How many years was that during the Dio tour? 01:21:43.820 --> 01:21:45.140 Yeah, that was, what was that? 01:21:45.420 --> 01:21:47.580 It was called Something Machines or Anger Machines. 01:21:47.580 --> 01:21:48.500 Anger Machines, yeah. 01:21:48.800 --> 01:21:50.680 Yeah, it was around that era. 01:21:51.560 --> 01:21:58.720 And unfortunately, at that point, I had kind of not really followed him anymore because that really wasn't my favorite album, you know? 01:21:59.720 --> 01:22:02.720 But I respected the guy and, ah! 01:22:03.360 --> 01:22:04.580 I'm trying to amuse the kid. 01:22:05.180 --> 01:22:05.680 Oh, cool. 01:22:06.700 --> 01:22:08.000 It's not a shock trooper, is it? 01:22:10.020 --> 01:22:37.900 The Mandalorian was pretty decent yesterday. I don't know who watches that. I haven't started the new season yet. We were watching it earlier tonight, weren't we? I'm going to wait and watch them all at once. I see all Will's Star Wars figures back there. I used to have all of those. I came out of the Marine Corps and sold them all because I needed a buck. Luckily, I sold all of mine to my little brother for baseball card money. Then he left them at the house. 01:22:38.640 --> 01:23:07.940 And then my mom gave them back to me. Nice. So now I have them. Nice. I traded a land speeder and a storm trooper to my brother for Kiss Alive 2. Ooh. Yeah. And it would have been like 78, maybe 70. You know, and I remember that record and ironically, our new record, when we were discussing with the label, they were like, yeah, you know, whatever. I said, no, no. I said, I really want this record to be a gatefold. And they go, well, what? 01:23:08.060 --> 01:23:38.020 Why? I said, they pay more attention to some of the other bands on the label. Obviously, we're not like their high, high priority. But I argued with these guys. So they're like, oh, it's going to cost us an extra buck, you know? And I was like, so what? I said, I want a gatefold. And they said, why? I said, because I remember as a kid getting those vinyls. Remember back in the 70s how everything opened up? It was so awesome. So it's funny. They put the record out and they're like, yeah, released on awesome gatefold. 01:23:38.600 --> 01:24:08.040 I'm like dude that was me arguing with you and you don't want to spend another 50 cents and then you're like playing it up like it was your idea you know you know I'm just about the that kiss gatefold which is the famous exploding blah blah blah yeah so look at look at the inside of the Slayer Repumpus Killaji oh that's fucking cool is that not I have said it this so many times dude that's fucking badass yeah I mean that's life-size man I don't you know and it's honest they're new 01:24:08.080 --> 01:24:38.020 A lot of people fucking hate it, but I actually don't mind it at all. I think it's a good record. I like it. I like it a lot, actually. I wish they would have let Gary Holt write more on it. I thought that was kind of selfish, but. Yeah, me too. No, the Exodus record is in the can, by the way. Yeah, yeah, I saw they came up with a title for it today. Oh, did they? What was it? I didn't get, I didn't read, what is it? It's Persona Non Grata. Oh, nice. Oh, wow. What does that mean? Anybody know? Person Not Welcome. Oh, fucking cool. So, Persona Non Grata. 01:24:38.060 --> 01:25:08.040 is an official diplomatic term for somebody who is officially in a country that is um uh like say say say for example just throwing it out there you work for the cia and you have to go to a country if you have to go to a country and they catch you doing something and they will deem you persona non grata which means they will officially send something to the embassy which means this person um can no longer come to that country 01:25:08.640 --> 01:25:37.100 And they deem it persona non grata. And you were never allowed. You were never allowed in that country again. Just because you decide to open up a glory hole or something. Weird stuff like that happens. And, you know. An episode without mentioning the glory hole. And this speaks for itself, but it's a Latin term. But it is exactly what you and I just said. And so it is a diplomatic term. True. But in any case, 01:25:38.080 --> 01:26:07.580 Persona Grata, according to Google Dictionary, is an unacceptable or unwelcome person. Wow. In any case, which, by the way, the last Exodex record was great, too. But I agree with you. I thought the last Slayer was really, I liked it a lot. I thought it was a good record. I like all the Slayer records. Yeah, so there's that. But also, that's the live one, which I know Marcason had that one, too. I like that. It's good. It's not, by the way, I was thinking that it was the, 01:26:08.780 --> 01:26:36.640 The Good Buy Tour, it wasn't. This was the Repentless Tour. So even though it's a lot of the same stuff, which by the way, I don't know if you guys noticed, but that Made in Mexico that commemorates the tour we were just talking about, that album is out too. Which, you know, how many live Maiden records do you need? I wish they had made a DVD because I thought the visuals were so outstanding. You only need two. Unleash the Knees. And what's the other one? That's increased, but... Yeah, it's all you're saying was the Made one. 01:26:37.600 --> 01:26:38.720 Beast over Hammersmith. 01:26:39.140 --> 01:26:39.640 Hammersmith, yeah. 01:26:39.810 --> 01:26:40.560 Live after death. 01:26:40.940 --> 01:26:41.540 Understood, yeah. 01:26:41.720 --> 01:26:44.360 And if you want to venture a little further, you can get Rio. 01:26:44.740 --> 01:26:45.200 That's okay. 01:26:45.560 --> 01:26:46.140 Yeah, Rio's guilty. 01:26:46.480 --> 01:26:46.560 Yeah. 01:26:47.840 --> 01:26:48.100 All right. 01:26:48.270 --> 01:26:48.660 There you go. 01:26:48.910 --> 01:26:53.820 So I've got two more questions before I'm ready to move us on. 01:26:54.580 --> 01:26:55.440 Yeah, let's do it. 01:26:55.600 --> 01:26:56.800 First one is... 01:26:56.800 --> 01:26:57.840 I'm running out of beer. 01:26:57.960 --> 01:26:58.440 I've gone through. 01:26:58.440 --> 01:26:59.300 I don't know how many so far. 01:26:59.300 --> 01:26:59.440 I know. 01:26:59.520 --> 01:27:01.540 We got to do our beer check. 01:27:03.060 --> 01:27:06.540 It is funny how that's like the second thing on the list, 01:27:06.640 --> 01:27:34.900 and we never get to it to about like three hours. I got a list. I got to read off here. Yeah, my top five beers I had while we were doing the interview. So you did a you did a cover of a metal church song, the song metal church for a relapse comp, I believe it was. And it also ended up on through the eyes of death. Yes, I was wondering, did you choose that song? Was it suggested to you? How did you end up doing that particular song? 01:27:36.640 --> 01:28:06.600 A little bit of history of the relapse thing is Eric Greif way back when even though he's from Canada he used to live in Milwaukee and at that time he was really heavily involved in the music scene so he was really heavily involved with like Acryfat and Realm Us a bunch of other bands he was he was one of the only guys around that was really into death metal and of course he managed death okay 01:28:06.820 --> 01:28:36.560 So, you know, all that fallout happened and all that. I was around for a lot of that, like with the legal stuff and all this other shit. And Eric was our producer on the first two records. So what happened, or I mean, the first two demos. So what happened was is back in like 2010 or 11, whatever, he approached me and said, hey, I'd really love to have the two demos we worked on together on CD. Would you mind going in the studio and like, you know, putting, transferring it from the tape and all that? So I said, yeah, yeah, I'll do that. 01:28:36.620 --> 01:29:06.480 that for you. And I went in, I did it and it sounded good. But then, uh, by the, uh, the drummer that was on Prolonged Agony was like, Hey man, uh, do you have the actual DAT tapes and all that shit and all the masters? I said, yeah, yeah, I got all that. He's like, well, I could make it sound way better. You know, there were like a few small things that we kind of noticed that we kind of cleaned up and nothing major. So we went back in, like, I think it was two or three times. Cause every time we'd go, 01:29:06.600 --> 01:29:36.540 So we go back in. So finally, after like two or three times in and out of the studio, we finally had both of the demos on CD. We gave it to Eric. And Eric was just about to re-release all the death stuff. And because he's the power of attorney or the state, he heads the estate of mutilation productions or the publishing company for Chuck. So I was like, so he basically is like, hey, man, 01:29:36.820 --> 01:30:03.700 He's like, I don't know, put this out. He goes, you got any extra tracks? I'm like, yeah, yeah, I got a track called Eternal Suffering that we did for Earache Records back in like 91 that never came out. They didn't even use it. And then I said, yeah, and I said, I got this metal church cover. And he was like, yeah, throw it all on, you know? So I gave him all the tracks. He put everything together. 01:30:06.620 --> 01:30:35.540 the artwork and everything. And then it was pretty much, I thought it was going to be like out in the record stores type thing, but it really wasn't. And behind my back, kind of, there was a deal negotiated where it was just going to be like a mail order release. So that compilation really didn't do much, unfortunately, but that's pretty much the premise behind it. And also in 98, I think it was 98 after we had done Surface, the guitar player that was in the band at the time just left. 01:30:35.740 --> 01:31:05.380 Like I literally came to the studio, all his shit was gone. I said, you know, where the fuck is this dude? And he's like, yeah, he just took his shit and left. And I'm like, okay. So we needed a guitar player and, uh, Tyke from realm, uh, was, you know, we, I just happened to stumble on him. And I said, Hey, we're going to be doing this cover of, uh, uh, an Aussie tribute. Uh, uh, can't remember the name of the album, but anyways, uh, legends of a madman. I said, it was Aussie tribute. We're going to do believer. And he's like, well, if you're going to do believer, 01:31:05.760 --> 01:31:34.380 He goes, you gotta do it right. And I was like, yeah, I'm all for it. He's like, I'll help you guys learn it. If you want, I'll play it with you. And I said, well, I can't do the solo, dude. I'm just, I can't imitate Randy like that. So he was nice enough to come into the band. He did that. And then right after that tribute or that album, right after we did the Ozzy song with us, he got another offer from Still Dead Productions in Poland to do a Merciful Fate song. 01:31:35.340 --> 01:32:03.760 So we decided to do Desecration of Souls. And I am like, I'll be honest with you, I know we haven't touched base on this, but I am a huge old Metal Church fan. Anything with David Wayne on it, I'm there. I don't like Mike Howell. The one singer they got off of that Generation X, I actually liked that album, and I liked him, but I don't like Mike Howell. But I was a huge David Wayne fan, and coming from the military, I hear God's Wrath, I'm automatically just sucked into this. 01:32:04.020 --> 01:32:31.100 And I said to the band, I said, God, I'd really love to do Metal Church, Metal Church. And so when we went in to do Desecration of Souls, we just kind of squeezed in Metal Church, Metal Church. And that's pretty much that's. And then, like I said, for the compilation, I was scrambling for additional tracks. And that track just happened to be free and available because it was a track that never got released on anything. And it was sitting in the archives. And I was like, dude, I got to put this on that compilation. 01:32:31.700 --> 01:33:01.680 Yeah, it's pretty cool. Did you open Desecration of Souls with that cool guitar solo on that? Or did you just go straight into it? No, we did. We did Desecration of Souls. I think I might have a copy. I could probably send George a link and he can send it to you guys. We used to. Huh? Please. We honestly, no. You know, Tyke was a real old school guy like me and he's like, dude, we got to come as close to the record as possible. There's him and I trading solos off in that record. I didn't really want to do any of the solos because 01:33:01.700 --> 01:33:30.480 I'm like, dude, you're much better than me. He's like, no, no, no. You got to do Hank Sherman's part. I'll do, you know. And I mean, on the metal church, he did all the solos himself. It just happened that way. And then on the Ozzy song, he did all the, he did the solo himself too. But on the Descreted of Solos, we traded off. And it was a very fun experience. And we tried to keep it like as close as possible, except for, I obviously can't sing like King Diamond. So for some of the highs, we actually placed keyboards. 01:33:31.600 --> 01:33:59.600 And to take place of the highs. Did you, by the way, an offshoot question here about COVID notwithstanding, there is the Merciful Fate reunion shows coming up. Are you going to try to get to something where that's happening? I mean, most of them are in Europe at this point that are scheduled. There's supposed to be one in America. That's why we got Valken tickets. Yeah, they're supposed to come to Las Vegas if and when the world starts up again. Right, right, right. Yeah. 01:34:01.600 --> 01:34:31.540 So when we were on Dead Letter Emissions, I asked you about the meaning of Suffer for Nothing. This time I wanted to ask you about the title track from Wounds Deeper Than Time. That seems like a cathartic track. What is that about? You know, a lot of people that know me know that I can tend to hold a grudge. I'm a very loyal person. I know Will, you know, being a Marine can probably relate to that. I'm very big on loyalty. 01:34:37.180 --> 01:35:01.540 I take it a bit far. So I've had friends that have been in my life 30 years and they could say like they're do one wrong thing and I'm like you're out you're out you're on the end now you got to earn your way back in you know. So it's not really the greatest quality to have but I'm very just I had a lot of like a lot of the guys that were in my band before for the first four records I really don't talk to. 01:35:01.600 --> 01:35:30.820 a lot. And my current drummer, Eric House, and I were talking about a title. And he, I said something about time heals all wounds. And then he was like, yeah, but wounds are deeper than time. And I was like, dude, I, I was like, I like that kid. I'm going to use that for the record. And that's kind of how it came about. Nice. Are you a Dark Angel fan? No, not, no, not that I hate him. I just, I just never gravitated towards him. Really? 01:35:31.600 --> 01:36:01.560 You know, I like the way Will accepted that information. It was sort of like this. Like, oh, sorry. That's the name of one of their albums. I'll just put my hands back in my pockets and sit back here and fuck off. All right. Does anybody else have any other questions before we move on? Real quick. Hey, from the Dead Letter Missions episode, did you ever return the 01:36:01.640 --> 01:36:31.460 to Dave Mustaine. Nope. Dave Mustaine's banana was fully digested, and unfortunately, it was never returned. Good for you. Never returned. Yeah, that guy was fucking on fire, man. Who the fuck told you to eat my banana, dude? I'm like, dude, what do you eat this banana for? I'm like freaking out, and we're like backstage at this really nice venue, and we were told no drinking, no smoking, don't look Dave directly in the eye. 01:36:31.580 --> 01:37:01.380 type shit, you know, and I'm kind of like, nobody said don't eat the banana, right? They never said no, but Dave Elvis, Dave Elson, Ella Elson, Elson, uh, nicest you'd ever want to meet Marty Friedman as well. Fucking two of the nicest guys I met at that show. Nice. Yeah. I'm a big Marty fan. Yeah. Dave, Dave Elson seems like a decent guy. So he's a very down to earth. He's a Midwestern boys from, you know, he's from, 01:37:01.580 --> 01:37:01.980 Minnesota. 01:37:02.460 --> 01:37:02.540 Yeah. 01:37:02.610 --> 01:37:06.640 So any of you ever see him in, he just seems like he's a decent. 01:37:07.140 --> 01:37:07.260 Yeah. 01:37:07.310 --> 01:37:08.700 I think he's, he's an all right guy. 01:37:08.860 --> 01:37:12.480 So yeah, he's very well rounded and very grounded. 01:37:13.550 --> 01:37:16.500 It seems like he just needed some time off to come back. 01:37:17.440 --> 01:37:17.640 Right. 01:37:17.870 --> 01:37:18.000 Right. 01:37:18.620 --> 01:37:19.660 If you know what that means. 01:37:19.980 --> 01:37:23.100 That and for that and for the bank account to go down a little bit, I think, you know, 01:37:23.130 --> 01:37:24.860 but yeah, he got out. 01:37:24.980 --> 01:37:26.580 He's like, uh, I'll go back. 01:37:27.000 --> 01:37:27.120 Yeah. 01:37:28.240 --> 01:37:30.960 He was working for some base company or something. 01:37:31.040 --> 01:38:01.000 He was like a sales rep or something like that. Oh, really? Well, I mean, I know he does his clinics because he did. That's how we got to meet him. He was doing a clinic at the music store I was working in. And by the way, I know I've said I pretty much don't like most of the jobs I worked. That was probably the only job I really loved was working at the music store. But that's how I met him. And then he's like, he did a clinic. And I know he was doing a lot of clinics. I know he partnered up with a guy that is in Green Bay here and they started Combat. And I know they do like a 01:38:01.240 --> 01:38:30.660 I have like a cover band Megadeth that he does with this guy. Yeah. His vocals are awful. He does have another. You mean Combat Records? Is that what you're saying? Yeah. Yeah. And is that like supposed to be a reboot? Is it? Is that what it is? I remember seeing some of that, but then I kind of. Back in the day, if it was on Combat, I bought it. Me too. Me too. I don't think it's to the same level that it was back in the day. Yeah. Because I really, like, 01:38:31.040 --> 01:39:00.760 two or three bands he has right now, I really don't hear much about. So was, um, let me ask you this too. Um, do you guys remember was, and I really don't remember was Megadeth's first record in combat? The first two. Uh, yeah, it was combat. I mean, I mean, peace sells was combat and Island or something like that. No, not EMI. Yeah. Whatever it was. EMI I thought. Yeah. But it was like, you know, they probably got signed to the bigger label and said, made it, had to make a deal to be like, all right, it's going to be, 01:39:01.020 --> 01:39:01.180 You know, 01:39:04.740 --> 01:39:07.680 it's the reason Brian Slagle and John Zuzula are rich. 01:39:07.760 --> 01:39:08.160 You know what I mean? 01:39:08.240 --> 01:39:08.960 Because they, 01:39:09.580 --> 01:39:09.900 you know, 01:39:10.060 --> 01:39:13.920 John's is John Zuzula owns half of ride the lightning rights or whatever, 01:39:14.080 --> 01:39:14.860 as far as sales go. 01:39:14.920 --> 01:39:15.540 And likewise, 01:39:16.380 --> 01:39:16.480 um, 01:39:17.220 --> 01:39:17.420 you know, 01:39:17.540 --> 01:39:17.660 uh, 01:39:17.780 --> 01:39:18.760 Slayer was the same way. 01:39:19.400 --> 01:39:20.820 And there was some other stuff too, 01:39:20.920 --> 01:39:21.120 that, 01:39:21.140 --> 01:39:21.240 uh, 01:39:21.380 --> 01:39:23.200 Brian Slagle made out with in any case, 01:39:23.660 --> 01:39:25.640 it's funny because I should remember that it was just, 01:39:25.740 --> 01:39:26.140 I couldn't, 01:39:26.300 --> 01:39:26.680 cause you know, 01:39:26.680 --> 01:39:28.440 they all had combat mega fours, 01:39:28.500 --> 01:39:28.980 metal blade. 01:39:29.240 --> 01:39:59.200 They're all red stark letters and I could, you couldn't trick me sometimes. I'd be like, Exciter was on. Exciter, Megaforce. But in any case. Maybe we should take a quick five, George. Yeah. But go ahead. I had one more question, actually. Oh, okay. Well, so when MordaScold disbanded, there was a lot of years in between before you started back up. And I was wondering how that time away from the band affected 01:39:59.220 --> 01:40:28.620 the music. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Finish. Yeah, no problem. Yeah, it was like a two-parter. Sorry. How it affected the band, but also if you had continued the band all the way through, would it be a different band? And that's a really great question because I really get a lot of shit for the band breaking up for so many years. Like, oh man, how can I say this without, I don't want to sound egotistical, but like, I feel like Mortar Skelts should be a bigger band than what we are. 01:40:28.720 --> 01:40:57.560 And I see some other death metal bands that are like bigger. And I'm like, they don't have half of the discography we have or the history. And that should be me. But then when I sit down and like, we'll talk amongst ourselves, uh, uh, you know, my drummer will say, well, yeah, but you know, the band broke up for 12 years. And I'm like, really? That is that why? Yeah. Right. We came back. And, and we had to start over. 01:40:57.840 --> 01:41:27.460 We had to prove ourselves all over again. I mean, we had the name and we had the discography, but it was almost like, oh, well, you guys took a 12-year break. We don't know who you are anymore. You got to come back and prove yourself. So it was his, when the band broke up, I couldn't find, we couldn't find a drummer. Everybody wanted to play Nirvana and Pearl Jam and shit like that. And we just couldn't find anybody to play, you know, heavy stuff. So I honestly lost a lot of patience. 01:41:27.820 --> 01:41:57.540 And I said, I'm going to let go of this death metal and I'm going to form a new band. I was really heavily into new metal, like the Static X type stuff, like the heavier type of new metal. And I was like, I'm going to form a band like that. George, you can cut all that out, by the way. So I formed a band called Nine Millimeter Solution and the band was somewhat successful. We put out two albums. 01:41:58.720 --> 01:42:27.660 Our second record was produced by Tim King, a buddy of mine from Soil. He used to be an oppressor years ago. And we did a couple of really good, you know, we supported, I'm not a big five-finger death punch guy, but like we did support them here at a couple of the bigger venues. We had a lot of momentum going. And then it was weird because death, like new metal was like right here. And like we came in like right here and it just, you know, and it just kind of petered out. And unfortunately, 01:42:29.580 --> 01:42:57.340 The attention wasn't really there anymore. So Eric Greif had the process, like I mentioned before earlier, about like, let's get these demos on CD. And he actually is responsible for me doing this again. And he was like, hey, just get the band back together. I'm like, fuck that, dude. I'm like, I'm really removed from death metal right now. He's like, no, no, no, no, you can do it. You can do it. So my question, or the answer to your question, would the band be different right now if we stayed with it? Yes. 01:42:57.820 --> 01:43:26.800 and would be different. I think just naturally, as you progress in time, I think the band would be different. But as you know, would it be like it is now? Probably not. You know, because you just never know. It might have went more back to more like the demo days, maybe more rudimentary. But like when I got like Eric being in the band, I remember when he first came in the band, he said, hey, man, I've been in Jungle Rock for many years. 01:43:28.660 --> 01:43:57.180 How does this all work? And I said, what do you mean? He goes, can I play whatever I want? I'm like, you play whatever the fuck you want. And he was like, okay, count me in. And he loves that because I do give him the freedom to do what he wants. And he's one of those drummers where he will not, you can have a riff that's four measures long and he'll play one drum beat here, one drum beat here. He'll change it up the whole time. 01:43:57.420 --> 01:44:27.160 It gets a little frustrating for me trying to get lyrics and stuff down and deliveries down when he changes stuff. But I understand why he does it. And it does give the songs a little bit more flair instead of like if you go back to our demos, each drum beat, you know, this four times, this four times, there's no variation. So when Eric came in the band, he was like, hey, man, I want to blast. I want to do fast double bass. And I'm like, dude, please, please, please do whatever you want. So he lays down his tracks the way he wants. 01:44:28.060 --> 01:44:54.700 I let him do what he wants, I do what I want, I pretty much let everybody in the band do what they want, so, but yeah, I do need to answer your question, yeah, I think the band probably would be a little different, that's why a lot of people ask me, like with the new record, I say I really feel like Suffer for Nothing could have came right after Surface, you know what I mean, Wounds Deeper Than Time, same thing, it could have come after Surface, but that might have been after Suffer for Nothing, who knows, but yeah, I think the band definitely would be a little different probably. 01:44:55.640 --> 01:45:25.080 But I think you can take some pride, though, too, in the... Like, I hear what you say, and I don't think you're wrong in saying, like, you could and should be a bigger band than you are, but better not. But I think of, like, it's funny because I think that a lot about Incantation, by the way, Markisan. I mean, what a fucking discography. And the truth is, is they are just not an upper echelon band as far as, like, visibility goes. They're just not. I mean, there's a lot of people like them. And they have a lot of fans, and they're really glamorous. They do. Yeah, they do. I know what you're saying. 01:45:25.220 --> 01:45:28.680 But they don't get mentioned the way they should. And so I would say 01:45:29.620 --> 01:45:31.060 you're in that kind of good company. 01:45:31.260 --> 01:45:31.940 So you know what I mean? 01:45:32.180 --> 01:45:32.320 Yeah. 01:45:32.860 --> 01:45:36.400 Which is almost fucking cooler, if I may be so cool. 01:45:36.440 --> 01:45:37.500 Yeah, I hope so. 01:45:37.620 --> 01:45:39.720 It's just sometimes, you know, I'll be honest. 01:45:40.180 --> 01:45:41.800 You know, like, I'm sure you guys have seen the different, 01:45:42.600 --> 01:45:43.700 what is it, the docu, 01:45:44.700 --> 01:45:47.240 like, anybody here see the Def Leppard story? 01:45:48.640 --> 01:45:50.100 Was it like a movie or was it a documentary? 01:45:50.120 --> 01:45:51.340 Yeah, yeah, it was like a movie. 01:45:51.840 --> 01:45:53.460 I didn't see it, but I saw a bit of it. 01:45:53.680 --> 01:45:54.940 Okay, I want to see it now. 01:45:55.640 --> 01:46:24.940 It's on YouTube. The only problem is it's got Japanese subtitles. But it's on YouTube. But I kind of like go back to something like that where I can relate with that because they show a point where Joe Elliott's struggling and he's like, we got to be bigger. I want to be bigger. I want to do this. And that's the point where I'm at right now in my life where I'm 54 years old. I'm not getting younger. I want to be bigger. I want to be better. And it's frustrating when I feel like we have the talent and I feel like we have the song. 01:46:25.020 --> 01:46:54.880 But like, it's just, we don't have the push, you know, we don't have the push. And it's like, we have really, really great fans. I mean, when we went on tour in 2017, there were some shows that we played where like, people waited, like they waited till 1230 till we went on or whatever, just waited, nobody left. And it was such a great feeling. And people saying, Hey, I've waited 30 years or 20 years to see you. And that's like, when we went overseas, and we played Netherlands Death Fest and symbolic open air, people are like, fuck, 01:46:55.000 --> 01:47:24.820 I've been waiting since Dying Remains to meet you. I got all your shit, you know, and it was a really... Take heart in that, dude. That can cure you. I mean, and what I mean quite literally is you think of a band like Celtic Frost or something like that, and we all think of them as legends now or whatever I think most of us do, and also they could really cash in big in ways that they wanted to, not anymore, but meaning because Martin's dead, but all I mean to say is that for years, dude, nobody gave that shit the time of fucking day. 01:47:25.020 --> 01:47:54.500 You know what I mean? Like they were not. And so you are right at that point now where people can go. They were there back then. You had this quality stuff back then. They're putting up this stuff down. I think they will catch up with you. You know, it really will, especially after COVID, dude, because people are going to be dying to get out there. I hope so. And that, you know, that's, that's another thing that really depresses me about this whole thing is we just put out a record. I can't get out there to support it. You know, you can only do so much social media. Like I said, we're not obituary. You know, we don't have those types of funds at our disposal. 01:47:54.720 --> 01:48:24.680 to do all these live performances, you know, or, you know, like taping our rehearsals. I mean, a lot of people don't realize that, you know, you need a couple cameras, you need a sound system. There's a lot that goes into it. And with the filming that we just did, I was like, oh my God, like, I mean, the lighting guy himself had strobes and all, I mean, you know, guys mixing on his iPad and, you know, it was just, it was a big production. So I do hope that, you know, I do appreciate people like yourself that are taking an interest in me, George, for having me. 01:48:25.780 --> 01:48:49.780 I do hope that things, you know, I'd like to move up a little bit in the echelon, you know, I feel like we're definitely one of those bands that could play with any band out there. And, you know, I feel like we've got a good, you know, we're a plug and play band. You come and see us, you're going to get a song. You're not going to get, you know, fog and lasers. And, you know, it's just, you're just going to see us raw and we're just going to play the song for you. 01:48:49.980 --> 01:48:54.040 Wait, no lasers? Seriously, no lasers? I'm out. I'm out. 01:48:54.180 --> 01:48:54.880 We gotta have lasers 01:48:56.020 --> 01:48:56.840 Another thing coming 01:48:57.260 --> 01:48:58.080 Got another thing coming 01:48:58.240 --> 01:48:58.700 Judas Priest 01:48:59.040 --> 01:48:59.260 Yeah, yeah 01:48:59.680 --> 01:49:00.260 Right, right, right 01:49:01.000 --> 01:49:01.700 No, we just 01:49:01.760 --> 01:49:02.560 We just wanna play 01:49:03.480 --> 01:49:04.720 The song as best as we can 01:49:04.780 --> 01:49:05.320 For the fans 01:49:05.800 --> 01:49:06.820 And really hope that they 01:49:07.000 --> 01:49:07.720 Come away going like 01:49:07.780 --> 01:49:08.360 Wow, you know 01:49:08.520 --> 01:49:08.900 You guys 01:49:09.620 --> 01:49:10.300 Did a really good job 01:49:10.420 --> 01:49:11.260 Like Frank Rini 01:49:11.640 --> 01:49:12.080 Him and I 01:49:12.200 --> 01:49:13.280 We didn't even know each other 01:49:13.420 --> 01:49:13.860 And we met 01:49:14.220 --> 01:49:14.780 In Baltimore 01:49:16.440 --> 01:49:17.360 When we were on the tour 01:49:17.480 --> 01:49:18.280 And you're still alive? 01:49:18.620 --> 01:49:19.120 I am 01:49:19.240 --> 01:49:19.540 I know 01:49:20.060 --> 01:49:20.720 Dude, we 01:49:20.900 --> 01:49:21.640 They even told us 01:49:21.740 --> 01:49:21.920 They're like 01:49:22.060 --> 01:49:22.780 Make sure you watch 01:49:22.800 --> 01:49:24.140 Your van out there 01:49:24.140 --> 01:49:53.460 like crackheads all around trying to come up to us every five minutes. And, uh, but you, like I said, I met him and we just hit it off right away. We became good friends and, uh, it's stuff like that, that I enjoy. I love the camaraderie of this. And I love the camaraderie that we're all like brothers in metal. And that's the, I, you know, like you guys, I live this, I live this, I breathe it. And it's to me, it's a way of life, you know? So if I can put a personal spin on some of this is that, um, 01:49:54.840 --> 01:50:23.960 Anybody on this podcast, the five other fucktards that I love, and they're all my brothers, and I say that with a term of endearment, but I grew up with death metal, but this is where it comes into play, David, is I joined the Marine Corps in 1991. What was that? I joined the Marine Corps in 1991. Oh, that's where the butt play comes in. So I was out by that time. 01:50:24.000 --> 01:50:24.660 I was in 86. 01:50:25.360 --> 01:50:25.440 Yeah. 01:50:25.960 --> 01:50:30.860 So, but when I joined in 1991 from 1991 until about 1995, 01:50:31.460 --> 01:50:36.140 if your album was not on a CD in the MCS, 01:50:36.580 --> 01:50:38.120 the Marine Corps exchange, the MCS. 01:50:38.120 --> 01:50:38.560 Right, right, right. 01:50:39.120 --> 01:50:44.440 And I was in, I was in, um, uh, Gitmo Bay my first year, my first, 01:50:44.840 --> 01:50:46.460 like my first duty station in Marine Corps. 01:50:46.980 --> 01:50:49.720 And I remember like I used to get, I got the cancer album. 01:50:50.520 --> 01:50:52.560 I got a left-hand path. 01:50:52.600 --> 01:50:54.240 I got a whole bunch of stuff. 01:50:54.960 --> 01:50:55.700 Which cancer album? 01:50:56.420 --> 01:50:56.740 Yeah, yeah. 01:50:57.040 --> 01:50:58.140 I got a whole bunch of... 01:50:58.700 --> 01:50:59.720 Yeah, yeah, right. 01:51:01.260 --> 01:51:03.200 But there was no more to Skull. 01:51:04.100 --> 01:51:07.620 And so I feel like there's this whole... 01:51:08.120 --> 01:51:09.520 And it's not just you. 01:51:09.620 --> 01:51:12.240 There's a whole bunch of bands out there that were awesome 01:51:12.980 --> 01:51:16.360 that I just did not know because at that time, 01:51:16.660 --> 01:51:21.360 my periphery of the death metal, heavy metal scene 01:51:21.360 --> 01:51:50.240 was very enclosed because I could only get what the MCX provided to me. Sure. You know, and I remember getting out of the core. I was in Camp Lejeune, which I fucking despise. I can't stand Camp Lejeune. Yeah, yeah. I spent a lot of time there. I agree with you, man. Yeah. If I would have been stationed somewhere else, I probably would have stayed in, but I just hated Camp Lejeune so much. So when I got out, I went to the mall and I remember I got a cassette player. 01:51:50.580 --> 01:51:57.080 I had cassettes before that, but the two cassettes I bought at Plane Ride Home was 01:51:59.260 --> 01:52:00.680 Forbidden, the first Forbidden. 01:52:02.360 --> 01:52:05.040 Forbidden Evil. No, Forbidden Evil is the first one. 01:52:05.040 --> 01:52:12.000 Yeah, Forbidden Evil and Tesla. Those are the two cassettes I had for the Plane Ride Home. 01:52:12.140 --> 01:52:16.620 Sorry about the Tesla one. Which one, though? Which one? I mean, Mechanical Resonance is pretty awesome. 01:52:16.740 --> 01:52:18.060 Yeah, the Mechanical Resonance. 01:52:20.000 --> 01:52:49.080 Well, the cowboy. Yeah, yeah. Such a great one. You can absolutely peg my relationship to this podcast by that the first album I bought at Parris Island at the MCX when I graduated boot camp in November of 1991 was the Black Album. And I threw it right out the fucking window after. 01:52:50.020 --> 01:53:19.960 I literally threw it out the window of my mom's red Ford Taurus, 1988 Ford Taurus. Nice. I threw it out the window. I'm like, this is a piece of garbage. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, we don't want to retread that ground. I'd rather get my chain shaved by a chainsaw than listen to that. There you go. All right. So before we move back on to the rest of the episode, where can people go to pick up Mortis Gold music and merchandise? Well, if you're going to do any downloads, we're on Spotify, iTunes. What is it? Diesel, Tidal. 01:53:20.020 --> 01:53:49.900 So around all the basic formats, if you want a physical copy, I always recommend going to peaceville.com. And the reason why I say that is because not just because of the label, but I have heard from all my friends that have ordered it saying that it's packaged very nice. They do a great job of packing and nothing's been damaged. Everybody's very happy. And the shipping, I think the shipping on like an LP is like five, six bucks. So I always say go to peaceville.com, but you can get our record from season to miss. 01:53:51.460 --> 01:54:19.980 I think Nuclear Blast is handling it. So you can pretty much probably get it anywhere, but if you really want to get it, Peaceville.com. Or you can download it to, like I said, on iTunes, if you have iTunes or Apple Music. But David, can you pick up the older, not the new one, but can you pick up the 1993 release? Yes. Yeah, so what happened, real long story short, what happened was is before the band even decided 01:54:20.020 --> 01:54:49.140 to be a band again, I was really bugging Peaceville for probably about two years. And I was like, hey, man, I'm really getting a lot of fans interested in Dying Remains. And they're like, whatever. I said, no, no. I said, let's, let's, let's, you pay me, not pay me, pay me, but you pay my studio time. I'll go in, I'll have it re-remastered. So I went in and I had it remastered and we put it out with like this really nice 12-page booklet. And I got all these old photos from the rave and all these like classic photos. 01:54:49.240 --> 01:55:19.160 and I really made this really nice package. We basically, I told them, I said, I'll tell you what, you put this out. I said, we'll discuss a whole new deal and whatever have you. So they put that out and then they actually went and they sent me back in to do the other two as well. So yes, the first three records are all fully remastered and available at peacebuild.com. Surface was actually re-put together too. And I think that's repulsive. 01:55:19.240 --> 01:55:48.580 Echo Overseas, I think, that has that record. And then some guy, Fatalism Music, is actually re-releasing Surface on cassette next month for us. But yeah, as far as all the first three records, all available, all remastered through Peaceville.com, and definitely in stock, ready to go, as well as LPs, too. So we've got the CD and the LP. Because back in the day, the third album, For All Eternity, did not have an LP release. It only had a CD release. 01:55:49.260 --> 01:56:17.560 But these are all physical copy release, not digital. And I'm on digital, but you can also get physical. Yes. Okay. So go out and pick this stuff up. Please. You're listening to the Metalheads podcast, the morning show you can listen to anytime. No, but I mean, I don't know. Everything's good, dude. Just what are you guys doing for the holiday? You just staying home? Yeah, not much. I've been picking up a lot of books. 01:56:19.260 --> 01:56:49.040 I just picked up Van Halen Rising. I don't know if you saw that yet. I did. I saw it. No, no, no. But I saw it. Oh, it's the pop-up thing you said. No, no. This is somebody else. And it's literally just up to the first album. Oh, cool. Yeah. Everyone who saw them, they used to play like backyards and parks. Yeah. Or high school. Yeah. He literally, everywhere he went, he had his guitar. Everywhere. Yeah. No, that's how you get that good, I guess. Yeah. 01:56:49.720 --> 01:56:51.740 It's actually really cool because some of the 01:56:52.560 --> 01:56:53.420 David Lee Roth stuff 01:56:54.300 --> 01:56:56.120 which I'm not a super fan of his 01:56:56.220 --> 01:56:58.200 because I get tired of the fucking vaudeville 01:56:58.360 --> 01:56:59.180 crap he does all the time 01:57:00.720 --> 01:57:02.280 You hear where it comes from 01:57:03.000 --> 01:57:04.220 That's the part I'm liking 01:57:05.940 --> 01:57:07.360 Well, he grew up 01:57:08.180 --> 01:57:09.860 Mark Maron did a good interview with him 01:57:10.020 --> 01:57:11.380 and he talked about his roots 01:57:11.600 --> 01:57:13.100 and he grew up in a, you know, he's Jewish 01:57:13.300 --> 01:57:14.240 He grew up in this Jewish family 01:57:14.420 --> 01:57:16.720 and he was into Benny Goodman and shit like that 01:57:16.720 --> 01:57:17.040 You know what I mean? 01:57:17.180 --> 01:57:47.120 which you totally see where he comes from. Yeah. Did you ever read the one the road manager wrote, John? Not yet, no. I flipped through it. It was pretty wild, but I didn't buy it. I was just at a bookstore or something, and I probably read 30 pages or something. I'm just curious because the myth is everything up to the first album. Yeah. You know, and that's what I'm more interested in right now because literally they would play to like 500, 600 people in backyards. Well, there are some. 01:57:47.180 --> 01:58:16.600 There's a movie that I don't necessarily highly recommend, but it was called, it's about the Sunset Strip. It might even be called the Sunset Strip, but I don't recall. Yes. And they talked to, you know, Dave Minchetti and all these guys and all the different phases that the troubadour went through and stuff like that. And every one of those fucking guys is like, yeah, we were kind of on top of the world, doing pretty good, like as far as the clip. And then Van Halen came along. And it was like, forget it. It was just like, like everybody thought they were the greatest, you know. 01:58:17.180 --> 01:58:18.420 But Dave's a pretty good player, too. 01:58:19.400 --> 01:58:19.580 He is. 01:58:19.960 --> 01:58:20.980 I like YNT. 01:58:22.040 --> 01:58:23.420 I like his voice, too. 01:58:23.420 --> 01:58:24.100 I think he's a good singer. 01:58:24.340 --> 01:58:27.280 They're another band that used to play those type of shows in the Bay Area. 01:58:28.280 --> 01:58:29.500 They were known for doing that. 01:58:29.940 --> 01:58:34.560 Which is why I think it's kind of relevant that he was the one who was saying that, 01:58:34.840 --> 01:58:40.200 because they were kind of like Troubadour Sweethearts, you know, up until that moment. 01:58:40.680 --> 01:58:45.680 And just hearing these stories about they literally would practice so much as a band 01:58:45.700 --> 01:59:15.480 that they only took one take for songs. They literally would just roll in because they had practiced that much. And that's all they needed. I'm like, what? That's insane. When we record an album, though, too, a lot of guys, I've heard like, oh, we're in a month or this, and I'm like, I don't know, man. I usually get my guitar tracks done in about five hours. And then vocals take like an hour or two or three hours. So, you know, it's just get in, get in, do what you got to do, get out. Like a Marine. 01:59:18.560 --> 01:59:21.560 I gotta go back a quick step though because I want to recommend something to you guys 01:59:21.700 --> 01:59:28.600 it's not about the song or anything but I clicked on it because I was like okay I'll check this out and it was this Wolfgang Van Halen thing his single 01:59:28.820 --> 01:59:32.440 I want to hear that my mom even told me about that 01:59:32.980 --> 01:59:37.580 I don't know the song is what it is it's fine it's a little poppy or whatever it's not poppy it's more like 01:59:39.140 --> 01:59:43.140 I don't know he worked with that dude from that band Creed that I hate and honestly it's a little 01:59:43.600 --> 02:00:12.520 Tremonti. Thank you. He's kind of metal. He's actually not a bad guy. I don't mind. For a poppy guy, Tremonti's got, like, cred. He's got some chops, too. He can play. Well, he took lessons. He took lessons. The guy that I went to the conservatory here in Wisconsin, Troy Stetna, a funny short story, about 10 years ago, I went to the conservatory, and then about 15 years later, 02:00:14.720 --> 02:00:43.120 and he was like, oh yeah, he's like, Mark Tremonti just flies in like once a month and takes a couple lessons. And then I worked for Creed at one of our big arenas when they were in. And him and Troy were on stage, like going back and forth. And I remember they wouldn't let me in to see it. Because it had to be like private, but I could hear it because it's loud as shit, obviously. But yeah, he did private lessons from Troy for a while. And I think that really kind of... 02:00:44.200 --> 02:01:12.640 I have to finish my thought here just so you guys catch it. No, no, it's fine. It's fine. I just I want to make sure you hear my advice here, which is the song itself is fine. It's actually kind of moving. But the video is exclusively home footage shot of him and his dad. That's cool. He was from the time he was a baby. And then and then each of them goes up a few years. And it is fucking heartbreaking to watch, dude. And yeah, and in it, you can see the loving father that that guy was. And it just breaks your heart. This video is kind of hard to watch. 02:01:12.700 --> 02:01:42.340 Well, you know, Jay, it's funny. I have a really good friend of mine here in town, and he's like Van Halen everything all the time. Me and this guy, we were coworkers. We still remain friends, and sometimes I tell him, like, dude, take a break. Pause for the cause. I don't need to hear that there's new Van Halen sneakers. I mean, this guy's always Van Halen this all the time, like to a point where sometimes I'm like, yeah, I got to go, dude. I'm like, enough of the Van Halen, you know? But he had told me, it's like you, you know, about, you know, Wolfie coming out and all this other stuff. 02:01:42.380 --> 02:02:10.740 So I seen some small clips of Wolfie on like Stern and a couple other shows he was doing. And honestly, he seems very humble and like very like reserved and like quiet and normal. I think he's just a nice kid. Yeah. Yeah. And it really made me go like, oh, okay. We just have to spoil a little fucking punk that, you know, his dad's Eddie Van Halen, you know what I mean? He seemed very, very sincere. And I just, it kind of like changed my kind of view process on him. 02:02:16.460 --> 02:02:40.460 It's heartbreaking, dude. It could be anybody. It could be Jeff Bridges and his fucking kid or something. It's this behind-the-scenes look, and they're so obviously attached to each other that it just broke my heart. I thought, this kid lost his hero, and it comes across. I completely agree. My favorite comment that I saw, and there's been a lot, of course, and as everyone knows, I've been bitching about complainers on the internet recently. 02:02:42.380 --> 02:02:47.340 shut up and just stop riding his dad's coattails. I was like, you do realize he was in the 02:02:47.450 --> 02:03:12.340 fucking band for like fucking 14 years. And he's only like 30. John, I didn't even know this. I feel dumb. But like I said, I'm not, you know, after like 1984, I'm like, okay, whatever. I wasn't into the Hagar stuff either. But like, I didn't know that what it was, it was called Perfect World. Like he played bass on the record. I didn't even know he played bass on the record. He joined when he was 16. Yeah, I didn't even know that. 02:03:12.380 --> 02:03:42.320 And if you can hold your own in that band, then you must be pretty good. I don't feel he's complaining and I don't feel like he's writing coattails. Oh, not him. No, people are saying he should just shut up and stop writing his dad's coattails. But he's not. He's not. If you listen to that song, it sounds nothing like Van Halen. Yeah, I know. I disagree with whoever's saying those comments. Oh, it's the internet. I mean, take them on. Oh, God, tell me about it. I got my fair share of haters, trust me. By the way, I have a mehacopal. 02:03:42.380 --> 02:04:12.340 I gotta do real quick and I've been meaning to tell the guys which was I shared a fact with them the other day which they were easily guessed on their own which was that the only guy who's on every Judas Priest record is Ian Hill oh yeah did you see the recent news though Don Avery oh Don Avery played bass on the one album so he's not on every album but Jay I think that's wrong though I thought Glenn Tipton's been on every album no what album has he not been on oh I don't 02:04:12.340 --> 02:04:42.280 I think he's on firepower dude and he won't be on the next one. He's on firepower. He's on firepower. According to a few tracks. Yeah. According to according to Rob in his book. He's on some of it. He's on there at the worst at the very worst. At least he wrote a lot of of it or parts of it. I have to say that the but watching the footage of him on the tour I'm dubious that he's on that fucking record. The guy can barely play breaking the law and I you know and I'm not. It's got to be worse. It's got to be worse now. It's got to be worse. 02:04:42.340 --> 02:05:10.540 Now, could he be on this next record? I hope so. He's a hero. I mean, you know, if his meds are working that day and he's, you know, it's like in the studio, it's just a matter, it's a waiting game, you know? Is he ready? Okay, go. Yeah, exactly. If he plays one riff, he's on the album. We'll probably find a way to get him on it. Yeah. Hey, Jay, they could get him out there to play those three songs off of British Steel that, goddammit, he's going to be on the album. 02:05:13.260 --> 02:05:41.900 And by the way, George and I missed that by one effing show. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. Well, in any case, shall we launch again here, George? Yeah, let's move on. Yeah. So let's do our T-shirt and beer check. So David, this is where we go around the room and basically say, you know, like, this is the shirt I'm wearing because we're always wearing something interesting. And say what we're drinking real quick before we move on. Hold on. Are we two hours and 12 minutes into this episode? 02:05:41.980 --> 02:06:11.120 Yes, we are. Now we're going to roll. I'm just making sure that my watch didn't stop. We're going to roll. We made it through the intro. Yes, we have made it through the intro. There's only like two more pages of stuff to go. Let's do it. Well, with that, let's do a t-shirt beer check. So, David, you already mentioned what you're drinking. Are you still drinking that? Have you moved on to anything else? Nope, still got it. All right. 02:06:11.980 --> 02:06:40.460 Are you wearing a t-shirt of any kind? I'm wearing what I wear pretty typically, death hoodie. I don't have a lot of band shirts because I feel like they fit me weird. And I just always feel weird in them, so I can never find a good band shirt to wear. I think I do own a Morbid Angels shirt, which is more of an older, like from a couple years back that fits nice. But I'm usually a black t-shirt and a death hoodie kind of guy. You knocked it out of the park, dude. That's all. Nice. 02:06:42.000 --> 02:07:11.540 I got every one of them. I got every one of them. So I got the little rack on the back of the door with the hoodie, the death hoodies. So nice. Good to know David has a uniform. Yes. Yes. Well, is it a uniform or does he just have a collection of spinal tap shirts? Smell the glove. Yeah. Yeah. Markison. Well, I drank the Inangata mead from Brimminghorn, which was aged in oak barrels. 02:07:12.600 --> 02:07:13.640 for six months. 02:07:13.920 --> 02:07:16.080 And I can't honestly get with my thing, but it was really good. 02:07:16.280 --> 02:07:16.800 It's invisible. 02:07:17.900 --> 02:07:18.040 Yeah. 02:07:18.120 --> 02:07:18.540 It's so weird. 02:07:19.290 --> 02:07:22.520 Now I move on to rogue pineapple party punch. 02:07:23.120 --> 02:07:23.320 What? 02:07:23.480 --> 02:07:24.520 Which is quite good. 02:07:24.660 --> 02:07:29.020 It's a hazy IPA brewed with pineapple and toasted coconut. 02:07:29.190 --> 02:07:29.540 And it's not. 02:07:29.580 --> 02:07:31.440 Well's head's going to blow up in like three seconds. 02:07:31.780 --> 02:07:31.960 Yeah. 02:07:33.720 --> 02:07:35.180 I can't put it in front of your face. 02:07:35.920 --> 02:07:36.020 Yeah. 02:07:36.030 --> 02:07:36.700 Hold it in front of yourself. 02:07:37.340 --> 02:07:37.920 There you go. 02:07:39.800 --> 02:07:40.020 Oh yeah. 02:07:42.020 --> 02:07:43.120 - So this is actually really good. 02:07:43.640 --> 02:07:44.560 - From Portland, Oregon. 02:07:45.460 --> 02:07:46.560 - This is the mead. 02:07:47.240 --> 02:07:47.860 This is really good. 02:07:47.880 --> 02:07:49.680 I had the first, I don't know if it's his first batch 02:07:49.820 --> 02:07:51.480 or the actual first one. 02:07:52.300 --> 02:07:52.620 - Nice. 02:07:52.820 --> 02:07:56.200 - I gotta ask them 'cause they're making a mead for my comics. 02:07:56.340 --> 02:07:57.860 So I'm really excited about that. 02:07:58.500 --> 02:08:02.100 And then my shirt is, as you can see, Matt, I can't pronounce this. 02:08:02.240 --> 02:08:02.900 Can you pronounce it? 02:08:03.560 --> 02:08:03.880 - Carcas. 02:08:04.120 --> 02:08:04.200 - Carcas. 02:08:04.280 --> 02:08:05.260 - I saw that when you got up. 02:08:05.720 --> 02:08:06.220 - Yeah, there you go. 02:08:06.380 --> 02:08:07.260 - It's Despicable, huh? 02:08:07.840 --> 02:08:09.640 - From the Despicable EP, I got it. 02:08:09.780 --> 02:08:38.980 It's actually pronounced Disficable, but fine, George. It's a really cool shirt. And it's one of those soft. Yeah. I got it. You got to put it on the right side. Like a snuggie. Yep. Yeah, I got that too. It is. That's a very soft shirt. All the Inferro Bruo shirts are very soft. By the way, for those of you who did not order that, it might just be me and Marcus. And that was a very lovely 10-incher. I love the 10-inch record that they put it out on. Yeah, 10 inches. You and Aerosmith, buddy. 02:08:39.800 --> 02:09:09.580 I just thought of that, George. Thank you. I mean, I'm used to 10 inches, but yeah. Well, of course, with Will, what can you expect? Matt. I've got a My Temple of Void long sleeve. I've been wearing it since yesterday. I just got one of those, too. I got the new album. Oh, nice. My plan was to actually pop this when we did the beer check, assuming the beer check would have been about an hour and 17, 02:09:09.800 --> 02:09:10.000 Minutes. 02:09:39.800 --> 02:10:06.980 I'm going to start with beer one. Yeah. Cause I'm on beer three. Atlas solar powered beer, giant flaming zombie polar bear. You suck dude. Where can I get that? Where can I get that? Well, not at my house anymore. Yeah. I mean, you know, by the way, I think somewhere I can get that. Will, 02:10:10.820 --> 02:10:39.760 That is your total wine by your house. That thing was gone when I went there today. There was only a few left. Yeah. All right. Beer number two. I don't have the bottle. I took it downstairs. St. Bernard's triple. It's winter and I'm hitting all the Belgians again because that's my favorite style of beer. And beer number three. Sausage. Beer number three. Another zombie polar bear. That's kind of how I 02:10:41.660 --> 02:10:42.300 That's interesting 02:10:43.800 --> 02:10:46.100 By the way, Will, you said it, man 02:10:46.200 --> 02:10:47.220 That's a damn good beer 02:10:49.580 --> 02:10:51.620 Will, you need to find me some of this beer 02:10:54.000 --> 02:10:56.340 Well, you need to find your way down to Virginia 02:10:57.800 --> 02:10:58.860 Tell me where to go 02:10:59.620 --> 02:11:00.580 No, it's not everywhere 02:11:01.460 --> 02:11:04.020 I'm sorry, there's this place called Atlas Brew Works we have 02:11:04.200 --> 02:11:06.200 Other than there, that's too far away 02:11:07.280 --> 02:11:07.960 Alright, well then 02:11:08.240 --> 02:11:09.760 Stop your complaining, fuckface 02:11:09.780 --> 02:11:39.560 and just, I don't know, what do you want me to tell you? Mail me some fucking beer. Jay, Jay, Jay, come all the way from California over to Virginia. Okay. And you bring some knee-deep. See, he says, okay. And you're like, no. You guys are probably gonna make fun of me, dude, but I need some yingling. I love that shit. Oh, Pennsylvania Springwater, we know that. I've got some of the, I thought it was piss water, actually. As of, what, a couple years ago, it's now America's oldest brewery. 02:11:39.780 --> 02:12:07.600 Hey, I've still got some of the Yingling Hershey order. Yeah, I got a couple of black and tans sitting in my, because my buddy's a truck driver. So when he goes down there, he picks up a 12-hurt case for me. So I've got some black and tans sitting in the cooler. So I will do my t-shirt and beer check, and then we will circle back on this Yingling conversation. So I got my Scalder shirt on. Yeah, Scalder. We had the band Scalder on a couple episodes ago. 02:12:09.780 --> 02:12:39.580 is the lead singer and bassist for Skolder was a brewer with me at Atlas. I just love, I just fucking love these guys. I love their music and I'm not even, all these guys can tell you I'm not the biggest black metal aficionado, but goddamn, this is a good album. And beer check. Forget that beer now that that's all over you. Yeah. 02:12:39.760 --> 02:13:09.680 I'm kind of following the John trajectory of the giant flaming zombie polar bear from Atlas, but I'm about to bust open the Ponzi, which is the baby version of the giant flaming zombie polar bear. Which is the podcast beer. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, my idea, as always, I'm going to check. Okay. George, what are you? Cool story. 02:13:10.080 --> 02:13:39.340 I'm waiting to crack mine at nine. But I have, you know, it's funny. I went looking for Prohibition Ale. There's a place here in San Francisco. They make this one. Or no, it's a, it's not Prohibition. That's the name of the beer. I'm trying to remember the name of the brewer. Anyway, I went looking for it. Is this really good? 21st Amendment. Yeah. No, no, it's not. Oh, it's not. It's, um, shite. Hold on. I'll think of it in a second. But in any case, I went looking for that today and I couldn't find it. So I ended up buying one that's not that far off, which is the evil cousin, the heretic thing. 02:13:39.780 --> 02:13:39.980 Yeah, yeah. 02:13:40.020 --> 02:13:40.120 Yeah. 02:13:40.120 --> 02:13:40.800 Heretic's awesome. 02:13:41.200 --> 02:13:42.060 And evil twits. 02:13:42.260 --> 02:13:43.820 So they had, I bought evil cousin. 02:13:43.980 --> 02:13:46.260 So those are on ice right now and they'll be cracked a little while. 02:13:46.260 --> 02:13:48.000 Shallow Graves, I think, are good when they have. 02:13:48.000 --> 02:13:52.740 And then I had, I all have t-shirts we put away because I like, I wear this too much 02:13:52.840 --> 02:13:53.480 and I'm going to wear it out. 02:13:53.540 --> 02:13:55.740 And I found this in the bottom of my drawer today. 02:13:56.320 --> 02:13:57.340 I was glad to put it back on. 02:13:57.460 --> 02:13:59.980 It's the Cthulhu themed Motorhead t-shirt. 02:14:01.160 --> 02:14:01.660 That's awesome. 02:14:02.320 --> 02:14:04.160 Or the Motorhead themed Cthulhu t-shirt. 02:14:04.260 --> 02:14:07.200 I'm not sure which, but in any case, Georgie. 02:14:07.400 --> 02:14:09.320 And I'll find out the name of that brewery because I love that beer. 02:14:09.580 --> 02:14:39.540 Right on. Yeah. So Jay's out in California, but I was just going to ask that. Yeah. But, uh, you know, Marcus owns in Hawaii and he's drinking. So, you know, you gotta have a better excuse. Yeah. I just, it's not the time. It's just that I have a plan. I have a way. I have a plan. Now that stated is called speakeasy brewery. It's the one that does. Oh yeah. Yeah. I know. We were talking about like rough places, man. We played Oakland a couple of times, man. That is a rough, that is a rough fucking 02:14:40.520 --> 02:15:09.240 Yeah, it is rough. Yeah, it is. There's a lot of shows there. Yeah. So I go there quite a bit. But well, I used to. The Opry, the Opry house, the Oakland Opera House. Yeah, yeah. It's moved, but it's moved about two blocks down. It's kind of the same. Yeah. Like recently? In the last year and a half, two years. Oh, I just played there last year. Who did you play with? It was us and Skeletal Remains. 02:15:09.560 --> 02:15:37.840 Or no, I'm sorry. No, I'm sorry. It was a local bands from Long Beach. Guillotine and God, I can't remember. Just a couple of local bands. Catatonic Society? Huh? Did you play with this band called Mortar Skull? Yeah. Well, I was wondering because it might have been a show I was at. Jay has a short attention span. Yeah, we did like San Diego, some little dump, Sandy in San Diego. I was like, ooh, this place is kind of rough too. 02:15:39.600 --> 02:16:09.360 We went to Long Beach and played some pizza. Cool. And then we ended up doing the last show in Oakland. And then, you know, we're coming home and all that. And like two days later, the guy posts something like, yeah, man shot in 7-Eleven in Long Beach or whatever. We were just there like a day ago. And this guy's getting shot, you know? Yeah. I love, I like the opera house, the Metro, but it's a, yeah, it's a Oakland's all fucked up. It really is. And you know, they need, there is, 02:16:09.580 --> 02:16:39.540 inside job going on because our van got broken into that night and it was literally 10 feet from the front door where security was sitting and then two weeks later exhorter played there and their van got ripped off and they left all their passports money computers everything in the van so everything was gone that's not a bad part of town the problem is it's like an industrial part of town so yeah there's nothing there but the opera house and then right 02:16:41.500 --> 02:17:08.380 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's actually not that far from Jack London Square, which is actually kind of a bustling bustle. But in any case, I like the Opera House. And it was funny because right before we went on lockdown, the last show I went to the bear, they had this refillable glass you could buy that made your beer cheaper. And I was like, oh, what an investment I've made. I haven't been able to use it since. Just rolling around in my car. Just rolling around in my car. When there's a show, I'm going to save some money. Anyway, Georgie, boy. 02:17:09.120 --> 02:17:39.080 I'm wearing my pig destroyer shirt that's got the topical plague mask. And I started out with, it's from, well, it's called Altogether. I just saw this in the story yesterday and I had to pick it up. It's a worldwide collaboration brewed to support hospitality professionals. Okay. And it said, it says we're all in this together hosted by other half brewing, but it's 02:17:39.099 --> 02:18:09.040 Brewed and canned by elder pine of which John are familiar. Yeah. And it's an IPA. So I started with one of these. It's just like sort of a generic looking can. Moved on to adroit theories. Young hipster death. Fuck hipsters. Which is a triple oat cream IPA. Nice. Very nice. That sounds like a hipster beer too. Is it dark or is it like what is it? I thought it was. I thought it might be dark, but no, it's. 02:18:09.099 --> 02:18:10.099 It's light like an IPA 02:18:10.809 --> 02:18:12.460 So let me I have a quick question for you George 02:18:12.780 --> 02:18:13.260 Is it hazy? 02:18:14.880 --> 02:18:15.219 First off 02:18:15.290 --> 02:18:15.920 It's not hazy 02:18:16.319 --> 02:18:17.760 The picture of you for decibel 02:18:17.860 --> 02:18:18.480 Is that a new picture? 02:18:19.099 --> 02:18:20.820 No I took that a couple years ago 02:18:21.440 --> 02:18:22.400 Okay well I only mentioned this 02:18:22.480 --> 02:18:23.620 Because it was just a t-shirt check 02:18:23.650 --> 02:18:24.420 And you're sitting down 02:18:25.139 --> 02:18:26.500 And that thing's kind of hanging off you dude 02:18:26.599 --> 02:18:27.519 You look good man 02:18:27.840 --> 02:18:28.580 Like I'm not joking 02:18:28.670 --> 02:18:29.000 You look 02:18:29.139 --> 02:18:30.219 Every time we talk 02:18:30.340 --> 02:18:31.540 I notice that you're looking fucking 02:18:31.700 --> 02:18:32.219 I actually 02:18:32.340 --> 02:18:33.639 I actually weigh less 02:18:34.260 --> 02:18:35.360 Than I did in that photo 02:18:38.719 --> 02:18:39.080 Now 02:18:39.080 --> 02:19:09.019 You got some room in that shirt, dude. Yeah, well, you know, lockdown, what are you going to do? I have room in that shirt for two. I've been, I've been, I work out like two to three times a day in lockdown. I just, I just bought, I just bought, like, I just assembled it like a week ago, a power rack with like, you know, it's like one of the weightlifting cages. Yeah. And like got a new Olympic bar. 02:19:09.080 --> 02:19:39.040 45-pound bar, 300 pounds of weights. Got rid of my old pussy-ass bench. You don't need a big bar when you have a pussy-ass bench, by the way. Is that the brand name? Pussy-ass bench? Pussy-ass bench, yeah. That's like the Cardi B song, the what it is. Matt's asking because he wants to know if he can use that for bitchymat.com. You're damn right. Well, any of the big shirts should be sent to Matt. He can use them as Snackers. 02:19:40.239 --> 02:20:09.060 I have gone down to shirt size in COVID. So there's that. Congrats. But does the Cardi B song not remember, remind us of Dead Letter. I don't even know who fucking Cardi B is. Yeah, I know. I don't know what you're talking about either. Yeah, the first time I was on Dead Letter Admissions, there was a long discussion about the Cardi B song, WAP, which. I'm so glad I don't know. I know the name. It stands for 02:20:10.880 --> 02:20:12.520 And it's a huge hit. 02:20:13.380 --> 02:20:16.080 And I read the lyrics and I was like, this is like huge. 02:20:16.800 --> 02:20:18.820 I was like, okay, so this country's fucked. 02:20:21.360 --> 02:20:25.220 I'm like, I mean, not that I'm offended because I don't get offended, but. 02:20:26.280 --> 02:20:27.520 Pro tools, baby, pro tools. 02:20:28.100 --> 02:20:29.220 But what the fuck? 02:20:30.560 --> 02:20:34.360 Also, that WAP is an unfortunate acronym. 02:20:36.319 --> 02:20:37.580 Hey, let's do some news. 02:20:37.660 --> 02:20:39.400 Yeah, let's move on to the news. 02:20:39.600 --> 02:20:39.800 Yeah. 02:20:52.779 --> 02:20:58.500 So the first item is, I'm sad to announce that Guitar Center is filing for bankruptcy. 02:21:00.020 --> 02:21:03.940 The good news is that it doesn't sound like they're going away as yet. 02:21:04.080 --> 02:21:05.180 They're just sort of restructuring. 02:21:05.560 --> 02:21:05.960 Yeah. 02:21:06.820 --> 02:21:12.000 I'm a fan of Guitar Center personally because it's you know I mean there's small music 02:21:12.200 --> 02:21:36.800 stores around but if I want to go try something out Guitar Center is the place to go yeah if you play guitar but if you play drums hey they have drums they got drum rooms it depends on which one yeah but their drums suck yeah well as a guitar player I will vehemently disagree with you all day every day their drums are shit no I love Guitar Center maybe you're just a shitty drummer no 02:21:36.800 --> 02:22:06.780 It has nothing to do with that. Their equipment is just basic for drummers. I'm a basic drummer. I love Guitar Center and it's like my guys like razz me about it. They call me like the return king because I hate the fact that sometimes, you know, and I've been a musician for a long time. You spend all this money on something. You get it home. You don't like it. And then it's like sometimes you're fucked. It's like, well, I just spent a thousand dollars on this. And that's why I like Guitar Center so much is because 02:22:06.800 --> 02:22:36.080 because they have a 45-day return policy. So I went through a phase where I've been trying to find a travel rig for the last couple years, something that's really going to work for me no matter where I'm at. I've gone through three or four different amps with these guys. They took it back, no problems. I've ordered guitar cases. They take it back. So I like the store, and I don't think they'll go away. I'm sure somebody will come up and buy their debt or help them with their debt. I sure hope so. Well, and once COVID's over, they'll get better. 02:22:36.100 --> 02:23:01.640 But I bought a Les Paul there about, and I have more Les Pauls than I need, and I didn't like this fucking thing. I just got one, and I didn't like it and everything. Took it back 30 days later and came home with this. So with no questions asked, gave me that money, the difference, the balance back and money. So part of their problem is, though, they've been mismanaged for years, and they put themselves in this position. So they might want to concentrate when they restructure on handling their finances better going forward. 02:23:06.120 --> 02:23:36.080 for years where they were forced to buy the amount of Gibson guitars they were forced to buy before Gibson went big. Which was another company that was really well run too. Yeah, that guy was a prick. He fucking killed them. He was an asshole, like famously an asshole. But yeah, well that is, anyway, I agree, it's sad and I think it's a sign of the times, just it has more to do probably with the epidemic. John, I think you're right, John, I think they set themselves up, but. Yeah, well with everything else, I mean, you know, it's like a lot of stories, I mean, like the 02:23:36.140 --> 02:23:44.240 bookstores, you know, I was a big Borders fan, especially being from Ann Arbor, where the original store was. 02:23:44.240 --> 02:23:45.200 Yeah, totally missed Borders. 02:23:45.940 --> 02:23:46.800 You know, and... 02:23:46.800 --> 02:23:47.620 I miss Tower Records. 02:23:47.960 --> 02:23:52.180 Tower Records and stuff like that, you know, it's like, we got Best Buy and we got Guitar Center. 02:23:52.340 --> 02:23:55.480 There's only, like, places to get cool shit in a store anymore. 02:23:56.180 --> 02:23:58.680 Otherwise, it's all got to be Amazon, and so I really hope they... 02:23:58.690 --> 02:24:00.780 I like the mom-and-pop bookstores myself. 02:24:01.040 --> 02:24:04.160 Well, of course, there's stuff like that, but I mean, you know. 02:24:04.840 --> 02:24:34.520 Yeah, but you know, I'll say for Borders back in the day, for a big box store, they had a ton of shit. They were the Tower Records of bookstores. They were, and that's why I didn't mind going there. Me too. I was sad to see them. You could get lost in Tower. And I always bought something. I always bought a book. And they were the biggest dicks working there half the time, but you still bought something. I like Tower too. I mean, they had a lot of metal. I was always surprised. Oh yeah. So, well, David, I didn't mention this before because I got cut off, 02:24:34.560 --> 02:25:04.040 But I lived in Chicago for 20 years. So Milwaukee is just a suburb of Chicago. But there was a Big Tower Records right on Michigan. There was, yeah. I remember we used to drive down to Chicago. I can't remember. There was another one. The Rolling Stone, I think it was called or something. It was another record store. And I would travel all the way down there. I mean, we had a record store up here called Mainstream Music that was around for years. It was a classic music store. They went out. 02:25:04.560 --> 02:25:34.540 And then, and now, currently, we only have, we have two record stores here, and one is called Exclusive Company, which has, like, I think four stores throughout Wisconsin. And then there's another small mom-and-pop place run by a friend of mine called Rushmore Records. So there's just really two. I mean, there's a lot of good ones in Chicago where, like, Reckless Records is still going. Is it still? Okay. Yeah, and then my favorite, Bucket O'Blood Books and Records. That's my favorite. It's a 02:25:34.560 --> 02:26:04.480 They do metal sci-fi fantasy books. Yeah. And a lot of metal records. You should go there sometime because you'll love that. I'll have to check that out. Well, we also had them on here. Yeah, Grant's my friend who runs it. Grant and Jenny, they run that store and we had them on and talked about record retailer in the pandemic. But they're great. And they do a lot of events and stuff. So, you know, they might even do like a signing or something for your record. So check it out. Not far away. Just one more thing to throw out there. And this will be more relevant to John than anybody. But Amoeba's in Bigfoot. 02:26:04.580 --> 02:26:34.540 Yeah, I know. Oh, really? Yeah, and my wife nicely gave me, my birthday's in March, and so she gave me a gift certificate to me, as she often does, and then, of course, the world came to an end, and I haven't spent it yet, and I went to look to try to get down there the other day, and it's just as closed. It's a temporary. The one in Berkeley? Yeah. And then what's, and then what did one in, on hate is in trouble too, right? It is, but they're opening, so I don't know what the difference is, but yeah, I can't, you can't even go in there now, and so it's just fucking brutal, dude, and I 02:26:34.560 --> 02:27:04.040 I like Amoeba, you know. Yeah, that sucks. There's only three of those, and sadly. I've ordered from Amoeba, actually. Yeah, I should probably do that. Just real quick, Jay knows what I mean by this, but Amoeba is the only place you can walk into and hear very loud, like, slapping, clicking sounds, and it's just people sifting through this. They have their CDs in those large plastic cases, and you can flip them over and carry them. Clack, clack. 02:27:04.540 --> 02:27:33.020 It's just clacking and it's constant. It doesn't stop. You're like, what is that noise? And within 10 minutes, you realize you're making the noise because you finally got to the section you want to look in. It's called fapping. No, that's a little different, George. Really? Really? George's house? Also worth noting, John and I went to that and we've been together, actually. Jay, have you been to all three? I've been to all three. I haven't been to the Los Angeles one. 02:27:34.560 --> 02:28:03.900 I can't stand LA that story is just like wow that's I've heard it's John John has all three holes open and I do think that it's my ears are open they consider it the jewel in the crown which is funny yeah which sucks because it's LA but yeah that's the one I've the one I've been to it to me it was like going into like Sam's Club I mean it was like it's massive levels it's so I mean it was it was amazing but at the same time I totally understand what you're saying it's the only 02:28:03.900 --> 02:28:33.860 They have it at the one in San Francisco. I can't remember if there was one at Berkeley, but they had an actual dark ambient section. It was huge. I literally was in that for like an hour. I was like, this is unreal. I've never seen this before. Usually I'm ordering from someplace in Berlin. Yeah, Berkeley's not as good as the one in the city. I've seen so many bands there too. Like I saw High on Fire there and I'd have to think about it. And I've gone to book signings there. The guy from Necrobutcher did his book signing there. 02:28:33.920 --> 02:28:34.760 So, 02:28:34.980 --> 02:28:36.880 George has been to vintage in New Jersey. 02:28:37.200 --> 02:28:39.220 That's what the Amoebas are like, George. 02:28:39.370 --> 02:28:39.920 Okay, cool. 02:28:40.180 --> 02:28:40.860 But even bigger. 02:28:41.360 --> 02:28:41.740 All right. 02:28:42.020 --> 02:28:42.460 And also, 02:28:42.780 --> 02:28:44.720 it's sad that Guitar Center filed for bankruptcy. 02:28:45.500 --> 02:28:45.680 Yeah. 02:28:46.160 --> 02:28:46.900 Yeah, yeah. 02:28:47.080 --> 02:28:47.340 So, 02:28:47.840 --> 02:28:48.540 moving on. 02:28:49.440 --> 02:28:51.140 This one's all for you, Will. 02:28:51.880 --> 02:28:52.120 Go. 02:28:53.100 --> 02:28:59.840 The Clutch released a video for the song Passive Restraints featuring Randy Blythe from Lamb of God. 02:29:00.090 --> 02:29:00.600 I meant to, 02:29:00.850 --> 02:29:03.460 this is the one thing on here I meant to listen to and I did not. 02:29:03.680 --> 02:29:31.160 So I have no idea if this is any good or not. As the resident clutch fan. I listen to the clutch part, but I give a shit about Randy Blythe. I think I speak for Will when I say that's probably true too. I would give my unbiased opinion on this in that I did actually watch it and I listened to it and it wasn't bad. I'll tell you why. Because it was the best thing that Lamb of God has ever done. 02:29:33.720 --> 02:29:34.200 10 years. 02:29:36.979 --> 02:29:37.460 Randy. 02:29:38.240 --> 02:29:38.500 So, 02:29:39.680 --> 02:29:39.740 so, 02:29:40.860 --> 02:29:41.040 uh, 02:29:41.540 --> 02:29:41.700 David, 02:29:41.920 --> 02:29:42.040 I'm, 02:29:42.100 --> 02:29:45.120 I'm a big clutch fan and they all make fun of me because they think, 02:29:45.260 --> 02:29:45.740 I'm like clutch. 02:29:45.980 --> 02:29:47.240 We're all clutch fans. 02:29:47.700 --> 02:29:47.860 No, 02:29:47.860 --> 02:29:47.960 no, 02:29:48.040 --> 02:29:48.200 they, 02:29:48.220 --> 02:29:49.460 they all don't, 02:29:50.079 --> 02:29:50.560 listen, 02:29:51.040 --> 02:29:54.080 they all think clutch is a bunch of fucking clowns. 02:29:54.400 --> 02:29:54.520 Hey, 02:29:54.680 --> 02:29:57.160 I had dinner across the table from Neil Fallon. 02:29:57.640 --> 02:29:57.780 Yeah. 02:29:57.900 --> 02:29:59.780 And you said he's a big floppy donkey dick. 02:29:59.980 --> 02:30:00.300 No, 02:30:00.520 --> 02:30:01.660 he's fucking cool as hell. 02:30:01.720 --> 02:30:30.700 It's just when somebody puts their album as number one on their medal list. Yeah, well, you know, I'm talking about lightning rounds. Lightning rounds is right and there's wrong. Metal or clutch? George, what was the circumstance? Chainsaw, cane shave, or clutch? Clutch wins every time. The circumstances of that? I was at the... So can I answer this? No. No, okay. You were like running around in circles. We're like, let's put him in the corner until he calms down. I don't know. 02:30:31.700 --> 02:31:01.580 Go ahead, Will. Yeah, please. And he's not going to talk. No, no, no. So the song is great. It's kind of like they re-recorded an old song. And Randy Bly, when I heard that Randy Bly from Lamb of God was in it, I was like, I don't know. But you know what? He was fine in it because he didn't really, he didn't. 02:31:02.399 --> 02:31:30.700 That's all I cared about. Don't detract from me. And he was fine. Did he sing or did he growl? It was a little bit of both. It wasn't like a heavy growl. It wasn't clean singing like Trevor. It wasn't like emo young boys. Like, oh, I found puberty. I'm like, la, la, la, la, la. No, it was fine. 02:31:31.720 --> 02:32:01.260 That was an amazing impression of Trevor, by the way. I want Trevor to listen to this. Somebody will post this on Facebook and then I will troll him. But I will say the best thing that Trevor has ever done, ever, ever, ever, by the horns. Instrumental. And you just went down the rabbit hole. Down the rabbit hole. 02:32:01.720 --> 02:32:28.380 Yeah, the clutch brandy thing, it was okay. It was fine because it didn't suck. All right. You want me to answer your question, Jay? I do. The question being, when did George have occasion to eat a crust from Neil Fallon? What the fuck is that thing? Rock on the Range in Columbus, Ohio. Oh, nice. I was there. It was close to you, Disney. 02:32:31.700 --> 02:33:01.620 I was there with my friends in the band Charm City Devils, a Baltimore band, hard rock band, not metal. They were playing rock on the range. And I was just basically along as helper, lackey, photographer. And I, you know, my friend Anthony, who's the bass player in the band, I basically followed him around everywhere. And, you know, we went into the meal tent and, you know, grabbed some, 02:33:01.720 --> 02:33:31.680 Grabbed some grub and I sat down and I'm sitting there eating my grub and Neil Fallon comes along and sits it's like picnic tables you know lined up picked up yeah yeah and he just comes along sits across from me and he's eating I'm like Neil Fallon just talked to him no wasn't that bold anyway moving on move it let's go so ticket bastard also known as ticket master to the rest of the world has shot down rumors that they would require proof of 02:33:32.420 --> 02:33:35.100 or negative COVID tests for entry to shows next year. 02:33:37.020 --> 02:33:42.000 Because that was going around as a thing for a couple of days before they decided to shoot it down. 02:33:43.839 --> 02:33:46.320 And I don't see what I didn't. 02:33:46.680 --> 02:33:47.840 I don't care about this band. 02:33:48.290 --> 02:33:51.440 But did you see the thing that I think was the Flaming Lips, that concert they did? 02:33:51.540 --> 02:33:52.320 Yes, that was awesome. 02:33:53.580 --> 02:33:55.360 But they're all in plastic balls. 02:33:55.580 --> 02:33:55.700 Yeah. 02:33:56.020 --> 02:33:56.180 Yeah. 02:33:56.360 --> 02:33:56.420 Yeah. 02:33:56.430 --> 02:33:56.760 I hate them. 02:33:56.760 --> 02:33:58.700 So the whole audience had their own plastic ball. 02:34:00.400 --> 02:34:01.240 Everybody in the band. 02:34:32.260 --> 02:35:00.920 I'm not feeling bad for them. They fucked me enough. It's time for them to get fucked. No, you know, I took my girlfriend. Was it last year or year before? I think it was a Christmas present, Trans-Siberian Orchestra. And what the fuck, man? I was sitting up in nosebleed seats. The tickets were only like 45 bucks a piece. By the time they slapped on all their fees, dude. And I told her, I said, sorry, I'm not going to, I won't be going to this arena again. 02:35:01.000 --> 02:35:30.400 And I said, I'm not going to pay 12 bucks for a fucking beer. And then, you know, they're taxing the shit out of you, dude. So you know what? Maybe it's time for them to eat one, you know? Yeah, it is. Totally. And they're taking, well, they're not. I mean, but the promoters and stuff take all the money for the t-shirts and shit. It's fucked up, dude. It really is. Yeah, Ticketmaster fucking sucks. Do you remember when Pearl Jam, like, took Ticketmaster on? You know what I mean? Yeah. I'll always remember, and I'm not a huge Pearl Jam fan. I can take him or leave him. But I always remember that there was some Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. 02:35:31.020 --> 02:36:00.500 back during that time. And they were speaking on behalf of someone else or something. And Eddie Vedder came up and he said, first off, I'd like to. It was probably Johnny Ramone. It may have been. And he said, first of all, I'd like to give a little shout out to whoever puts the tables together here because they put our table right next to the Ticketmaster table. I thought it was really funny, which they probably did do on purpose, you know. Probably. All right. So our last three news items are all about upcoming albums. So we'll try to move through these relatively quickly. 02:36:01.939 --> 02:36:27.940 Asphyx is releasing their new album. I almost want to go to Matt for the pronunciation on this one. Why did you say Asphyx? Asphyx. Asphyx. Asphyx. Asphyx. You fix your ass. Only you would think of somebody's ass, Will. So the album is called Necrosaurus, which to me sounds like something out of fucking Voracious. 02:36:34.039 --> 02:36:36.860 F.Y. David. Markison. 02:36:37.820 --> 02:36:39.500 Wrote a comic book called. 02:36:39.940 --> 02:36:40.340 Voracious. 02:36:41.040 --> 02:36:41.900 About a guy who. 02:36:43.160 --> 02:36:44.880 Travels through dimensions in a suit. 02:36:45.240 --> 02:36:46.140 And kills dinosaurs. 02:36:46.440 --> 02:36:47.960 Brings them back and cooks them at his restaurant. 02:36:49.680 --> 02:36:49.940 Wow. 02:36:50.540 --> 02:36:51.480 That's a pretty good story. 02:36:51.640 --> 02:36:51.800 I never. 02:36:51.850 --> 02:36:52.160 I never. 02:36:52.300 --> 02:36:52.960 Put that one together. 02:36:53.330 --> 02:36:53.440 Yeah. 02:36:53.620 --> 02:36:53.960 Nice. 02:36:54.680 --> 02:36:55.120 Thanks. 02:36:55.760 --> 02:36:55.880 Nice. 02:36:56.640 --> 02:36:56.820 But. 02:36:57.200 --> 02:36:57.300 Yeah. 02:36:57.500 --> 02:36:59.680 So that's coming out on January 22nd. 02:36:59.850 --> 02:37:00.500 Of 2021. 02:37:00.920 --> 02:37:30.700 One. Looking forward to that. Yeah, we need as many albums as we can possibly get because I feel like everything came out this year and nothing's going to come out next year. Yeah, usually. We're going to get Chemist for sure because they just posted and they have six songs ready to go. Cool. Awesome. Yeah, I've already seen one or two albums for early 2021, which is good because usually the beginning of the year is just kind of dead. Yeah. Yeah. So Alice Cooper is also going to release a new album called Detroit Stories, which that just fucking tweaks my nipple. 02:37:32.340 --> 02:38:00.740 because, you know, being born, not born, but raised in Michigan, Detroit, while it is a shithole, does hold some place in my heart. And that's coming out on February 26th of 2021. I know Jay will be listening to that. I will. I will. One of the reasons I'm excited about this particular, first of all, I thought paranormal, whatever, paranoia, whatever, was good. That was a great album. Yeah, I really, 02:38:19.781 --> 02:38:29.280 I've never been the biggest Alice Cooper fan, but I love Alice Cooper 02:38:29.280 --> 02:38:35.560 because there was a time where he did these haunted houses across America called Alice Cooper's Brutal Planet. 02:38:36.680 --> 02:38:37.120 And they were awesome. 02:38:37.120 --> 02:38:37.720 That was for an album. 02:38:38.840 --> 02:38:39.080 Yeah, yeah. 02:38:39.160 --> 02:38:39.440 Was it? 02:38:39.520 --> 02:38:39.940 I don't know. 02:38:40.140 --> 02:38:41.460 But I went in, it was a haunted house. 02:38:41.500 --> 02:38:43.500 There were like cars that were all fucked up. 02:38:43.600 --> 02:38:48.120 And they had actors who would like lie on tables and then like sit up. 02:38:48.160 --> 02:38:49.760 And then just guts would be pouring out. 02:38:49.780 --> 02:38:52.280 It was the best haunted house I've ever been to in my life. 02:38:52.580 --> 02:38:53.660 I liked that. 02:38:53.720 --> 02:38:55.860 His Brutal Planet record I thought was really good. 02:38:56.340 --> 02:38:58.500 I actually, some people don't know this. 02:38:58.960 --> 02:39:28.940 He has a lot of new wave stuff that is like my favorite. Flush the Fashion, Special Forces. Those are like two of my favorite. Huh? That was his cocaine phase. Oh, well. It was literally that when he was. I'm not that I'm pushing on it. I'm just saying. No, no. Those are like two of my favorite records. I love Ellis. That's interesting, David, as an aside. So obviously you're into metal, but what other kinds of music do you listen to other than metal right now? Not really a whole lot. I mean, basic rock stuff, but a lot of 02:39:28.960 --> 02:39:58.880 A lot of people like I posted something a couple weeks ago when the singer from the outfield passed away. I was a really big outfield fan, played deep, and I just thought they were a great three-piece band. A lot of people don't know I'm a big Seal fan of the earlier stuff. I know that. His first two records are my favorites. He's badass. Those are great records. 02:39:58.960 --> 02:40:23.340 I was working at a record store when the first one came out and I went I took it home and I was like told my brother you got to fucking hear this right now which by the way the outfield thing I wasn't necessarily a big fan but I remember the year it was big I was working in a restaurant that summer and the fucking guys in the kitchen put that record on and then they put turbo on and they put that record on and then they put turbo on and by the time that summer was over I just was done with both of those records dude 02:40:26.080 --> 02:40:49.220 So our last new release, I'm really glad to be able to announce this, but I Hate God is going to release a new album called A History of Nomadic Behavior. And they don't have a date yet, just spring 2021. But Mike, as you may know, was in some really sad physical shape there for a while. So obviously he's doing better now. 02:40:49.780 --> 02:41:18.760 We rode with those guys in the van from the airport. They picked us up and it was us and I hate God and they were taking them to their hotel and taking us to our hotel. So I had never got to meet them before and we were just kind of sitting and they're fucking some funny dudes, man. Those guys are funny as hell, man. Just fun. That doesn't surprise me. Yeah. I never met them before. I was like, dude, these guys are hilarious, man. Like, God, I went to party with these guys. 02:41:19.800 --> 02:41:49.740 Well, that's Mike's problem is he partied a little too much. Yeah, it happens. But yeah, so I'm looking forward to hearing that. Yeah. Let's move on to the new releases now. First up, we have the new album from Cadaver. It's called Eder and Bile. This is their fourth album, and it's been 16 years. 02:41:49.920 --> 02:42:19.740 years since their last album, their Norwegian death metal band. One of the, I guess, original members, plus the dude that's the drummer from Megadeth Now and a million other. Yeah. And I got to tell you, I freaking love this album. That's good. This is some good death metal. I'm going to fall on my sword here because I already had this. I had a conversation about this with James from Decibel and he completely disagreed with me. 02:42:19.800 --> 02:42:49.180 So I expect all of you to completely disagree with me as well. But I and I think I might have mentioned this in a stream in our in our message thread. But this is what the next Carcass album should sound like to me. OK, because it's heavier. I mean, it's he was like, this doesn't sound like Carcass at all. And I'm like, that's the point. It should. Because, you know, and this is where I'm going to get skewered. 02:42:49.800 --> 02:43:19.740 Carkas now to me sounds like Iron Maiden had sex with Inflames. Oh, wow. Wow. Okay. It's like a long time ago. It's like melodic. And then there's the mall metal harsh vocals. And I'm just not as into it as I am with earlier Carkas. And to me, this, you know, I was listening to this and about halfway through the Cadaver album, I was like, these vocals. 02:43:19.820 --> 02:43:49.460 are kind of Jeff Walker-ish. And I was like, oh. I was like, wow. This does kind of have, I mean, maybe nobody agrees with me, but I can hear this being Carcass. And it's a lot fucking heavier than Carcass. And I mean, these guys used to be grind core. You know, they should be heavier than they are. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying I don't like what they do. I'm just saying I wish Carcass was heavier. There's Carcass and there's Carcass. There's two versions. 02:43:50.160 --> 02:44:18.560 I mean, I thought this was a solid death metal album. You went really into the weeds on that one. I don't know why you went to the carcass thing. He didn't get that either, but I hear things. I mean, to me, it's separate. It's like you want carcass to do something else and then this is a good album. I don't know if I want carcass to be this album. I want this album. I just feel like carcass, 02:44:19.340 --> 02:44:47.120 You know, when they put out Swan Song, everybody was like, whoa, death and roll. This is not, you know, this is not what we want from Carcass. Swan Song sucked. Yeah, well, this is, I mean, okay, I'm going to get brutalized here. If you're going to like Swan Song, George, I will be with you. Well, I mean, I don't dislike Swan Song. I mean, I like it for what it is. I prefer necroticism. I agree. 02:44:47.640 --> 02:45:16.340 But I feel like everything they've done since then still has a bit of that swan song in there in that it's not as heavy as it used to be. It's not that it's bad. I just wish it was heavier. That's all I'm saying. It's still heavy. George, I think you're right. Thank you. I did not expect that coming out of Will. Oh my God, I can't listen to swan song. It is death and roll. It's like, what the fuck happened in this bullshit? 02:45:16.360 --> 02:45:46.260 It's still kind of death and roll. I mean, it's like a black album. That is their black album. Yeah. That hurts my soul. I can't listen to it. I like that a lot better than the black album. I think I honestly, I think I'm having appendicitis. Anyway. So you like the cadaver albums. I really do like the cadaver album a lot. Cadaver album a lot too. Yeah, it's really good. All right. Moving on. Dark Buddha Rising. And an album. 02:45:46.280 --> 02:45:49.600 that I cannot fucking remotely pronounce, but math. 02:45:50.160 --> 02:45:50.280 Ray. 02:45:51.980 --> 02:45:52.360 No idea. 02:45:52.740 --> 02:45:55.420 If anybody close, it's their seventh album. 02:45:55.580 --> 02:45:57.340 They're a Finnish psych doom band. 02:45:58.540 --> 02:46:05.280 I, they, they did a collab with Aranci Pazuzu last year. 02:46:06.920 --> 02:46:07.480 That was really cool. 02:46:08.140 --> 02:46:08.300 Yeah. 02:46:08.520 --> 02:46:09.400 Wasted space orchestra. 02:46:09.800 --> 02:46:09.980 Yeah. 02:46:10.060 --> 02:46:10.380 Wasted space. 02:46:10.440 --> 02:46:10.600 Right. 02:46:10.760 --> 02:46:12.340 Time, time has no meaning anymore. 02:46:12.380 --> 02:46:13.840 So I pretty sure it was last year. 02:46:14.640 --> 02:46:14.900 Yeah. 02:46:15.540 --> 02:46:45.500 But this is, you know. I didn't like this. I mean, it's more like a dark psychedelic drone than metal to me. It's heavy, though. I wasn't feeling it. It's heavy. Yeah, there's heavy parts. I don't know. Didn't do much for me. Yeah. I mean, it didn't do a lot for me either because it's just not my style, but I respect what they do. I've liked them in the past. But how does it relate to Carcass is what I really want to know, George. Well, this is what Carcass is going to do on their next day. 02:46:45.520 --> 02:47:15.480 Next album. I wish it was lighter. So. Muddy production. Don't even go there. I'm kidding. I love you, George. All right. Well, I guess we'll move on then to Draconian. Under a Godless Veil. This is their seventh album. They're a Swedish Death Doom band. I used to really be into this band 10, 15 years ago. I tried to get into this one, but it starts off. 02:47:15.560 --> 02:47:45.480 with the clean female vocals, and I just couldn't do it. But I feel like John likes this album. Yeah, I mean, it's not my favorite from them. I thought it was all right. I mean, there are a lot of heavy parts on it, but it's definitely more of an ethereal feel this time around. Which I don't just, I mean, I'm not like poo-pooing it. It's just not what I'm listening to now. I mean, even the older stuff that I liked, I can't listen to now because it's just not what I'm into right now. But so I, I, 02:47:45.540 --> 02:48:15.300 I can't give a good opinion on it is all I'm saying. I mean, if you're expecting their album, Arcane Rain Fell, it's not going to happen. I mean, but it's, there's still some heavy parts, but if you don't like kind of that gothic deathy doom thing, you're not going to like it then. So. Right. I like it. I like the singer, but I agree with you, John, completely. You know, it's not their best thing that they've done, but I'd like it. They did something different. The singer's first is good. But don't you agree, Marcus, they do get pretty heavy on the album. It's just not as heavy as previous albums from start to finish. Right. 02:48:15.520 --> 02:48:45.480 It's more of the ethereal like you were talking about. It's more of the singing and then there's some like doom parts that come into it. Yeah. Punctuated, but it's not overall. It's not. It's a solid album, I would say. And if you like this kind of stuff, you would probably enjoy it. So. Mm hmm. So next up, we have the new second album from Eternal Champion called Ravening Iron. They're a Texas epic metal band featuring the great Arthur Rifford. 02:48:45.600 --> 02:49:15.200 both musically and as producer. I have to say I pre-ordered this because that was the only way you could get like the one song they'd released and that means that I had to buy the vinyl which was fine with me so I'm anticipating getting that. I like this record. I like the last one too. There's not enough guys that do this right now without too much fucking tongue in cheek quite frankly. So this is a if they're just looking for a good traditional maybe 80s ish style metal band. 02:49:15.540 --> 02:49:44.440 They're definitely in the realm of the traditional 80s slash US power metal, which there is a difference between US and Euro power metal, which is the more guitar driven, no keyboards, not the gang singing and singing about slaying dragons, none of that shit. Rhapsody crap. Yeah. The 25 minute orchestra intro. Yeah. I like it. I think it's solid. I mean, I know. 02:49:45.540 --> 02:50:15.500 Markassan has been talking about being into these kind of traditional metal bands again because they're cropping up all over now and there's some good ones out there right now yeah especially us based ones like it's more of that epic power metal traditional metal merge and i like that part of it the riffs on this album are towering it's it's really fun to listen to it's a lot of battle primed anthems really right and it sounds great yeah and i'm hoping that means there's possibly another summerlands 02:50:15.540 --> 02:50:45.360 album in the works because Arthur's involved with them too. Yeah. And I think Decibel had this at number two. Number two. Yeah. I've seen it ranking high on numbers. That's a little extreme. I mean, I like it, but I don't know about number two. Number two. They had quite a few traditional metal style albums on their top 40 this time. I like this, but there's one coming up in a little bit that I like a little bit more. Yes. I think everyone would agree. 02:50:45.520 --> 02:51:15.400 It doesn't matter which one you choose to like more. You're getting something good with both of them. So my two senses, I was actually surprised how much I do like the new eternal champion album. Because power metal these days is just not my thing. Yeah, but well, this is an 80s style power metal, which is a lot different. That's what I was about to say. But I grew up like the old Halloween. I loved old Halloween. And whether you consider old Iron Maiden, some power metal, whatever. 02:51:15.520 --> 02:51:45.480 But Eternal Champion, this new one, sort of like, hmm, you know? It scratches that itch every now and again. Exactly. And I mentioned this in the text to you guys, too. It also has just enough of what was kind of cool about the sword for a little while. Yeah, the first album. Yeah, the first one, really. And slightly the second album. A little bit of the second. I mean, Warp Riders is cool. I actually love Warp Riders. Yeah, I do, too. But Warp Riders was the jump. That's when they started shifting. Or if you like, 02:51:45.540 --> 02:52:14.700 Like Traveler by Slough Fag or something like that. This fits right in there with those. And those are good records. So, I mean, to me, this sits well with those. And, you know, it's fun. I feel like I need more of that in metal these days. Well, they have swords. They're swords. Don't argue. We'll come back to this. We'll get to the next sword. Yeah. So next up, we have the new Fates Warning album, Long Day Goodnight. It's their 13th album. 02:52:16.040 --> 02:52:19.640 I am not qualified to talk about this one so I know a couple of guys that might be 02:52:21.400 --> 02:52:25.020 I'll let John talk about it first because he's the biggest Fitzmorning fan I think 02:52:25.479 --> 02:52:32.860 I'll keep it brief because it'll come up again it's their probably their last album so 02:52:34.899 --> 02:52:40.880 I'm mixed on how I feel about it I think it's got a lot of good tracks there's a couple that I'm like 02:52:42.000 --> 02:53:10.860 I don't know if I needed them but then when you put in the context that it might be their last album and they're going to give you everything they got for the last one I'll take five hours then at that point if it's all I'm going to ever get from them again I'll take what I can get I think it's a scorcher at the front end and I think the back end is good and some of the stuff in the middle I'm still working through but it's a long album for them 72 minutes but it's but but just to tell you 02:53:10.880 --> 02:53:40.440 You know, remember how we always talked about Pink Floyd doing all these weird things with their albums? They must have planned this. You know, you can watch The Wizard of Oz to Dark Side of the Moon. You know, I tried doing that recently, and I was like, this is, that's fucked up. That doesn't, no, no, it doesn't work. So this album, 13th album, 13 songs, it's 72 minutes, 22 seconds, 7 plus 2 plus 2 plus 2 is 13. And the last song on the album is called The Last Song. Yeah. 02:53:40.880 --> 02:54:10.120 And it's about closing shop for a career. So I think they're done. Oh, I didn't even hear about that. This thing in the last album, John, where'd you go? Ray, Ray, the singer, Ray Elder basically said he does not think that Jim Mathios is going to probably write any more Fates Warning albums. They'll tour, but they're not going to write any more music. Arch Mathios. Yeah, I like the album quite a bit. It is, it's longer. I've heard a lot of complaining and reviews about that, but I don't really mind it because I thought, you know, the songs are good. 02:54:10.220 --> 02:54:11.960 and I just like the band but 02:54:12.680 --> 02:54:14.260 I love Ray Alder's voice 02:54:14.820 --> 02:54:16.120 Matheus has some stellar 02:54:16.450 --> 02:54:18.480 guitar work on it the only problem 02:54:18.640 --> 02:54:20.380 for me is that this is the follow up 02:54:20.440 --> 02:54:22.660 theories of flight which is a tough follow up 02:54:22.900 --> 02:54:24.760 and that's my favorite Fates record 02:54:25.060 --> 02:54:25.660 wow nice 02:54:26.581 --> 02:54:27.920 that is incorrect 02:54:28.440 --> 02:54:29.640 Waken the Guardian would be the 02:54:30.290 --> 02:54:31.480 well to me it's my 02:54:31.680 --> 02:54:33.620 so Markisan what that said 02:54:33.920 --> 02:54:36.140 had they released like a 50 minute 02:54:36.350 --> 02:54:38.120 album then this would be 02:54:38.250 --> 02:54:40.200 pretty close don't you think then if they 02:54:42.699 --> 02:54:45.000 It's tough because I really like some of those 02:54:45.180 --> 02:54:47.800 serious songs like White Flag or Ghosts of Home. 02:54:48.220 --> 02:54:48.880 It's a great album. 02:54:49.020 --> 02:54:51.840 I don't know if the songs measure up quite. 02:54:52.520 --> 02:54:53.420 I haven't gone through it. 02:54:53.420 --> 02:54:55.160 It's like, hey, if you cut this and you cut this, 02:54:55.220 --> 02:54:57.220 would it make it a better album overall? 02:54:58.560 --> 02:55:00.720 I just like a good Fate's Morning album. 02:55:01.140 --> 02:55:02.320 So I think it's solid. 02:55:02.680 --> 02:55:03.660 Whether you like them or not, 02:55:03.900 --> 02:55:05.820 they really have not put out a bad album. 02:55:07.440 --> 02:55:08.940 It's just hard to say for a lot of bands. 02:55:09.260 --> 02:55:09.360 Yes. 02:55:10.360 --> 02:55:12.080 All right, moving on. 02:55:12.400 --> 02:55:12.520 Yeah. 02:55:12.820 --> 02:55:22.960 We've got the second release and the first full-length album from Megaton Sword called Blood Hails Steel, Steel Hails Fire. 02:55:23.960 --> 02:55:24.500 I gotta say. 02:55:24.560 --> 02:55:25.260 Heavy-ass sword. 02:55:25.800 --> 02:55:27.260 Yeah, it's a big-ass sword. 02:55:28.280 --> 02:55:33.240 And this is also in the epic, true heavy metal style. 02:55:33.860 --> 02:55:36.280 And I think this blows Eternal Champion out of the water. 02:55:37.380 --> 02:55:38.760 I don't know if it blows that out of the water. 02:55:39.000 --> 02:56:08.680 It's good though. It's really good. I think the production is freaking tight as hell. It's funny because when I first listened to it, I was like, I can't stand this guy's vocals. They grow on you. But much like the band Idle Hands, when I first listened to them, I was like, oh, I can't stand this guy's vocals. But now I freaking love them. Actually, I'm surprised though, dude, because he sounds to me like so much like Blizzard of Oz era Ozzy. Yeah. What? Yeah. 02:56:09.000 --> 02:56:38.880 I didn't know that, but he has an 80s style to his. I agree with that. This album reminds me. A lot more emotional. There's a real emotional quality and passion to the songs I think he really brings to it. I love Aziz's vocals on this. Well, you guys know, I mean, Megaton Sword was like one of my most anticipated albums of this year. And I think they just really delivered, you know. This reminds me of early to mid 80s metal that was post. 02:56:40.039 --> 02:57:07.200 New Wave British Heavy Metal pre-thrash. Bands like Attacker and Omen. Stuff that was like, it was heavy, but it wasn't quite to the thrash level of heavy, but it was heavier than, you know, Kiss and fucking whatever else was Ozzy and stuff like that. It was heavier than that. And that's what this reminds me of. And that's like a sweet spot of the 80s for me because I really freaking dig those bands. Freaking. 02:57:09.601 --> 02:57:38.380 You know bands like Attacker and Omen and stuff like that. Like the early like Metal Blade bands. Yeah. I've been on a huge kind of US power metal 80s thing the last month. So I get exactly what you're saying. Yeah, this is this is my favorite in the genre this year for sure. Probably the last few years, to be honest with you. And I like their EP quite a bit. But I think that they up the ante with this album. 02:57:39.539 --> 02:58:08.760 Speaking of upping the ante, let's move on to the next album of Feather and Bone, Sulfuric Disintegration. This is the third album from a Denver death metal band. And holy shit, this just... Ripper. This thing, this like scours all the meat from the bone. This is... If you're going to listen to this, you need an ice pack. Yeah. Fucking hurts. You know, we got the promo for this, and I wasn't expecting much, 02:58:08.840 --> 02:58:37.700 because I didn't think all that much of the last album. And I put it on the car, which if I put it on in the car, I'm not expecting much because the sound's not as good in the car as if you like have headphones or whatever. And I was, you know, driving in the car and I was like, wait a minute. It was really just a like obligatory play. Like, I got to listen to this just so I can tell it to fuck off. And I was like, no, no, this needs headphones. This might be good. 02:58:38.840 --> 02:59:07.960 And I fucking love this album. That's good. I mean, I've been pushing it pretty hard since their last album. So I just really love this band. I think there's a handful of top notch new bands writing old school death. But to me, of Feather and Bone kind of stands out because they're just the most evil. And Sulfuric Disintegration, it's just, it's an unrelenting monster of an album. It pulverizes you. It does. With intensity and evil and devastation. It's only like a half hour long. Yeah. 02:59:08.560 --> 02:59:37.260 But when you get to the end, you find yourself just smiling because that 30-minute jaunt through hell is just so satisfying. It's a great album. I even ordered a shirt. Nice. All right. You're finally on board. Good job. Yeah, man. I'm hoping that'll be my year-end list shirt if it arrives in time. Oh, nice. Yeah, I mean, their last album was number three on my list, and this album's better than that one. So we'll see where it lands this year. Yeah. 02:59:38.540 --> 03:00:08.380 We have two more. Revolting, The Shadow at the World's End. This is the seventh album from the Swedish death metal band, Raga Johansson. Revolting Raga. You know, you kind of know what you get with this guy. He's pretty consistent in all the many bands that he's in. And I dig it. You know, it's good death metal. I only spun it once, but I like the heavy, choppy riffs on it. I thought those were real good. 03:00:08.560 --> 03:00:37.780 So I'll have to spit in a couple more times. Yeah. If Entombed put a new record together, not Entombed AD or whatever, it will be this one. The heavy metal to the HM2 pedal is in full effect on this one. But I do like it. Yeah. And our final new release just came out yesterday. This is the new Tombs album, Under Sullen Skies. 03:00:38.540 --> 03:01:08.520 They're a Brooklyn Post black metal band. Mike Hill, of course, the man behind that band. We've met and spoken with him several times. He's a good guy. And this is their second release of the year. They did a EP, or as I like to call it, a full-length album being over 30 minutes long, earlier in the year. And now they put out this approximately hour-length album with some 03:01:08.540 --> 03:01:38.000 Really killer artwork too, by the way. I've only given it one listen through so far because it came out yesterday, but I'm digging it so far. Yeah, some cool tracks on it. I thought it was good. Yeah, it's good. I like it better than the first album they put out, actually. Yeah, Monarchy of Shadows. Did you know he has a podcast? Yes, he does. He is like the hardest working man in metal right now. He does a lot of shit. He does multiple podcasts, as a matter of fact. 03:01:38.140 --> 03:02:07.760 He has a gimme metal show. He has at least two other podcasts that he does. He's got to get some more to scold on there. Yeah, right? You know, our buddy John, BT, he's really close at this point with Tyler from Gimme Radio. Yeah. Yeah, like they hang out all the time. And he's often dropping. He's got his own little route to promos now. 03:02:08.120 --> 03:02:38.100 Well, they have a metal club, like a vinyl club now, and they've been putting out some really good records. Did you see what the next record they're putting out? What is it, John? Bolt Throwers, Those Once, Lowell. Awesome, dude. I have that one from Record Store Day a couple years ago. Yeah, they gave it a reissue, so. I know. But they also did two death albums, so I actually ordered a couple from them, and I sent them a message because I wanted to know if I could get some of the older club 03:02:38.200 --> 03:03:08.060 because I didn't know about the club. So anything that's left over, they put on their website. So they did Leprosy and another one. Was it a special edition of some sort? Yeah, yeah. It's like a color vinyl. New variant, yeah. Looks great. I remember they were doing that, but I hadn't. Yeah, and you're not obligated. You can buy for one month and then quit. So they're like a special edition of the vinyl and they come with a pin or something. 03:03:08.760 --> 03:03:37.660 Yeah, there's something additional with it, so it's cool. Yeah, John, I think John told me about that, and there was one record we all like that they did. The pricing's not bad either. I think they're like $20-something. Well, it's $25. It's like $25.99. Yeah, for the month, but you're getting more than the $25, so. Well, they did Possessed. Possessed was one in Deliprocy. That was the first one they did, I think. I can't remember the third one. Which Possessed album was it? First one. They did Necrot. 03:03:38.140 --> 03:04:07.220 That's right. Yeah. They did a reissue of the Metcrod album. The first one. Yeah. Speaking of possessed, David, where do you fall? What's the first death metal album? Possessed? Death? Who is it? I think it's death. There you go. Not possessed. I will say this much, though. Their last record is really good. Possessed? Yeah, it's fucking awesome. It's a really good record. Like, I had kind of lost touch with them from the old days. 03:04:08.120 --> 03:04:10.560 I had a chance to listen. 03:04:11.180 --> 03:04:11.560 Yeah. 03:04:12.010 --> 03:04:12.320 Well, yeah. 03:04:12.330 --> 03:04:14.940 And then this new one comes along and I'm like, oh shit. 03:04:15.340 --> 03:04:17.760 Like the guitars are just very well done. 03:04:18.240 --> 03:04:19.680 Vocals are very well placed. 03:04:19.900 --> 03:04:32.860 Like it's a very, uh, and it's funny cause I, I know when we were in the studio and we were mastering, we would A, B our album with their album just to like, you know, kind of match the levels because I liked the levels so much of their record. 03:04:33.620 --> 03:04:35.260 Um, it's punchy as fuck. 03:04:35.300 --> 03:05:05.120 Yeah, I was like, let's A-V the difference between, and then our producer's like, oh yeah, he's like, I like what they did here, maybe I can, you know, adjust a frequency or two in your record, you know? That's awesome, dude, because it really is a well-produced album. It is very well. You know who's really into them, and I see him wearing that shirt, the Revelations of Oblivion shirt a lot, is John McEntee, Markson. Yeah. I think he's a huge Possessed fan, because I see him wearing Possessed shirts and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah, Incantation, David, Incantation is my favorite death metal band, so we've been talking about this for, 03:05:06.319 --> 03:05:19.400 That is a great record though. Yeah, it was my number one of that year that it came out just because I'm a huge Possessed fan. But man, it's just that fucking good. What a good record that is. I haven't listened to that in a while. I need to put that on tonight. All right, let's move on to what we're listening to. 03:05:35.320 --> 03:05:37.100 What are you listening to? 03:05:39.160 --> 03:05:41.680 What are you listening to? 03:05:44.200 --> 03:05:44.960 Uh-oh. 03:05:45.360 --> 03:05:47.240 David, what are you listening to? 03:05:49.081 --> 03:05:52.300 Honestly, the Alcatraz, the new Alcatraz. 03:05:53.660 --> 03:06:01.800 I've been listening to a lot of Michael Shanker, the Michael Shanker Fest, the Revelation, and the Assault Attack a lot. 03:06:03.040 --> 03:06:04.880 And Except Restless and Wild. 03:06:04.900 --> 03:06:34.840 I've been listening to a lot of that lately too. Awesome, dude. Those are great fucking choices. Thank you. Yeah, I think you just made Jay happy. There's a bonus track on Assault Attack. Girl from, so it's about to stand, I have to look it up, but anyway. Girl from Ipanema. That's it. And I forget, I have to look up the title, but it's on the digital version. And I got this a little while back because I just, I had to replace it digital. 03:06:34.900 --> 03:07:04.420 Whatever. I didn't have it for some reason. Sure. Such a good fucking song, man. There's like this one. If you don't have the digital version of that, look it up. I might have to. Because there's a missing track that you would probably fucking love. Probably. It's a Graham Bonnet tour de force. He's at the top of his range in a couple spots. I love it. That brings us to Markisan. All right. What am I listening to? Imperial Sorrow. Album's called Pray. It's self-released. 03:07:04.900 --> 03:07:34.320 really menacing melodic death metal with sharp energetic hooks and otherworldly growled vocal harmonies. I really like that record a lot. Liminal Shroud through the false narrows from Hypnotic Dirge records. Excellent stripped back black metal just filled with atmosphere and anguish. Lightfield Reverie another world from avant-garde music and Shadowed Road records. So fantastic. 03:07:35.140 --> 03:08:04.780 dreamlike traversal between crushing heaviness and ethereal beauty. It has members of Sojourner and Draconian, but I think this album is actually better than those albums. So I've kind of enjoyed spinning that one. Blood-soaked Necrovoid, Expelled into the Unknown Depths of the Unfathomable. That might win for the best title. It's from Iron Bonehead Productions. It's a grisly, suffocating, 03:08:06.320 --> 03:08:09.140 I feel like I can only play this album at night 03:08:11.320 --> 03:08:13.680 Blighted Eye, Wretched, self-release 03:08:13.860 --> 03:08:19.040 this is a really great death metal EP with a scoop of progressiveness in it 03:08:19.520 --> 03:08:23.060 it falls just short of my Rain in Blood 03:08:23.770 --> 03:08:24.800 time rule to be an LP 03:08:25.700 --> 03:08:28.920 but it'll probably show up on my top 5 EP list 03:08:28.990 --> 03:08:33.261 I haven't really gone through that lately but I really like this one 03:08:33.940 --> 03:09:01.680 Emma, Ruth, Rundle, and Thou, may our chambers be full on Sacred Bones records. This album is one of the best collaboration records I've ever heard. Thou teamed up with a dark folk rock singer to create this album, and it's stunning to me. Emma, Ruth's voice just goes really well with that heavy, doomy, sludgy Thou sound. It's bombastic. It's haunting. 03:09:02.440 --> 03:09:31.680 There's also a little bit of 90s rock vibe to it, which is a period I love in music. I just think this is a spectacular record. I'm really, really digging it. I gotta check that out. I dig her, some of her stuff. It's awesome. And I like Vow, so. I just saw, she was the last concert I went to. Oh, really? Yeah, she was with Intranaut and Cult of Luna. Oh, cool. And I've seen her twice, that time and when she was part of Red Sparrows. 03:09:32.920 --> 03:10:02.240 Yeah, I did not like Red Sparrows, but I really liked the band Marriages that she was in. I love Red Sparrows. So she was cool when she joined them. Did you listen to this album, John? Not yet. I've heard her stuff. I just, I haven't listened to it yet. But this is like so much different than anything that ever, both bands have ever done. So yeah, I love this. I really love this record. You need to check that out. Undeath, legions of a different kind on prosthetic records. This is just old school. 03:10:02.420 --> 03:10:32.380 Metal done exceptionally well. Killer, catchy caveman riffs. Great songwriting on here. It's one of my top death metal records this year. I actually started making a list of the best death metal records because there's so many good ones this year. It was a good year. It really was. Last year was good too, but it's crazy. Corsair Horizons self-release. This was a surprise for me. I really liked it. 03:10:32.420 --> 03:11:02.400 another band named Corsair, and they disbanded a few years ago. And I was looking to spin one of their old albums, and then this Corsair popped up on my Bandcamp search. And this Corsair plays a pirate-themed adventure metal, but it's not an Ailstorm-type band. Like, you would think of if somebody said, yeah, there's nothing wrong with it. But they don't play that. They're more of a Black Sails versus Pirates of Penzance. So they mix Death 03:11:03.080 --> 03:11:32.120 Thrash, Melodic Metal, and just there's some cool pirate-like instrumental embellishments in the record too that I really dig. Running wild on meth. In from that city. Also, I appreciate you bringing up Pirates of Penzance because I'm a huge Gilbert and Sullivan fan. I fucking love the Mikado and the stuff they've done and the HMS Penna 4 and all that. So that's awesome to drop that little bomb there. Well done. Man, I don't know. 03:11:32.200 --> 03:12:01.920 I have two more. George List. Where do you have the time? George List. Where do you have the time to listen to all this? David, this is what we do. I mean, I listen to a lot of music, but wow. You got me beat hands down. You know, you should. I have. I'm reformed. There have been lists where I have listed like 30 albums. Wow. And these guys are just like, fuck you. To be honest, it was more like 40. Right? You know, 03:12:02.200 --> 03:12:32.160 David we just get so many promos ever since I joined the metal podcast I just get so much metal and I want to give it all a fair and you know what that makes a lot of sense because obviously I don't get promos so I don't my my world isn't as expanded as yours I just kind of obviously I don't buy a record of a here that like it yeah yeah well and that's why Will is also talking about Bandcamp because you go on there and you can do a search and you can find a lot of stuff that you you've never seen elsewhere even if we don't get promos like like that they and I 03:12:32.180 --> 03:13:01.460 I just found Corsair. I never would have found them without Bandcamp. There's no way. Yeah, that's a good, yeah, I like it. So, Apulcra Morte, Ex Rosa Ceremonia, Transcending Records. This is an avalanche of heavy, sinister death doom. I feel like we don't hear enough about this band for some reason. Their last album made my 2019 mid-year list, and this one is better. I think it's easily one of the best death doom records this year. So, I've been spinning that more and more. 03:13:02.200 --> 03:13:31.000 And then last one is Contrarian, Only Time Will Tell on Willowtip Records. This is a progressive avant-garde death metal concept album that tells a time travel adventure about redemption and love. And I've really liked Contrarian. I think this might be my favorite of their records. I'm not usually into avant-garde death metal as much, but there's something about Contrarian I really dig. 03:13:32.200 --> 03:14:00.860 And that's it. Are we doing album of the episodes? Are we saving that for the end, George? You can do it now. Well, my album of the episode, this is the favorite record chosen for what we are listening to or from new releases. It was a little bit hard for me because the albums we've discussed are really strong. And the list includes some of my favorite bands like Feather and Bone. But I am going to go with Emma Ruth Rundle and The. 03:14:02.061 --> 03:14:30.920 I did not know what to expect when I put this on and these kind of collaborations they rarely end up being as good as I hope they're going to be and this one completely exceeds all expectations I think it's a phenomenal record nice right on Matt so full transparency with the buying and selling of homes life has been a bit bananas and so not the purple 03:14:30.960 --> 03:15:00.880 I'll update my screen name. I've gone to super bitchy Matt. I haven't, I mean, it's not that I don't have the time for new stuff, but I really, when I'm in those moments, I really have to kind of gravitate what I find to be familiar. George, we have this discussion. When I get to email of newer stuff, you know, I've like in current day, I really find Scott Ian to be comforting. And so when I saw that he was in the revamp, Mr. Bungle, I thought that was pretty cool. I do dig the raging wrath of the Eastern bunny. 03:15:01.060 --> 03:15:06.120 I also really dig Mike Patton I don't listen to it like I don't follow him 03:15:06.480 --> 03:15:12.660 religiously but I'm super appreciative appreciative of his work I love it no more yeah right on 03:15:13.740 --> 03:15:18.000 the new cadaver as we talked about really dig that the new tombs as well really dig that 03:15:18.620 --> 03:15:23.480 I found myself spending a lot of time like the last episode when we did the top five death metal bands 03:15:23.980 --> 03:15:30.321 or albums or I can't even remember but I made a playlist about that I spun that religiously 03:15:30.760 --> 03:16:00.240 Also, Carcass. I put every Carcass album I could find in a playlist and spun it. What I will say is that every time I was listening and thinking, like, God, this is weird. It was always a song off of Swan Song. So I like it, but it was definitely weird. Last thing on my list, I don't know if anybody watched the Blood Incantation performance for Adult Swim. I did. Oh, I didn't see the Adult Swim one. Totally dug it. They were fucking on fire. My God, this band, this fucking band. So I went on. 03:16:00.340 --> 03:16:30.260 A Total Blood Incantation Binge. Nothing wrong with that. Yeah, I love them so much. And yeah, that's it for me. David got to meet them at MDF. Oh, nice. Yep. That was, by the way, that was an awesome day at MDF because you guys played and Blood Incantation played. Yeah, John was there with me during that show. We had a good time. I had to leave early that day, but it was fun. There's a lot of Blood Incantation fans on this podcast. Yeah. Last thing I'll say, 03:16:30.340 --> 03:16:57.780 And to the earlier point, George and I were chatting and I said, hey, you know, we're putting our house in the market, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. If we sell our house, I'm treating myself to the full dynamic range vinyl of carcass. And so our house sold. And so I bought full dynamic range carcass vinyl. It's on its way to my house in different stages, but I'll be very excited to get it. Which one? Because they put on a full dynamic range. All of them. I bought all of them. Yes! 03:17:00.400 --> 03:17:30.120 For those not aware, Matt does not buy a lot of vinyl. I don't, but I have been more so, like since COVID started, I've been buying more vinyl. They said that record sales, as far as I read an article, they said vinyl sales are definitely surpassed last year's sales. I think I bought more vinyl this year than I have in the last five years, and it was definitely COVID based. I buy it a lot anyway. I have not, I mean, I have like thousands of, 03:17:30.320 --> 03:17:31.740 of vinyl albums upstairs, 03:17:32.240 --> 03:17:34.900 but I have stopped buying the last couple of years. 03:17:37.319 --> 03:17:39.040 For reasons that I've mentioned before. 03:17:39.160 --> 03:17:40.480 So there's no need going into them again. 03:17:41.880 --> 03:17:45.680 But I was on Facebook and there's a local record store. 03:17:45.820 --> 03:17:46.020 It's like, 03:17:46.180 --> 03:17:47.840 he sells like new and used stuff. 03:17:47.940 --> 03:17:48.440 It's just like a, 03:17:49.060 --> 03:17:50.280 it's just like this kid. 03:17:50.580 --> 03:17:51.300 It's amazing. 03:17:51.420 --> 03:17:53.240 This guy's gotta be like 25 years old. 03:17:53.760 --> 03:17:55.240 And he like knows everything about music, 03:17:55.400 --> 03:17:56.320 about every band ever, 03:17:56.680 --> 03:17:58.360 like way back to when, 03:17:58.440 --> 03:17:59.120 not just new stuff. 03:18:00.540 --> 03:18:06.000 It's called Fuck. I forget what it's called. It's like 03:18:06.900 --> 03:18:12.260 Yeah, that could be real popular. Rock and Roll Graveyard. Rock and Roll Graveyard, I think it's called. I've heard of them, George. 03:18:12.540 --> 03:18:16.320 And he posts videos of 03:18:17.000 --> 03:18:20.500 stuff in the new bin. Not new releases, but just new stuff 03:18:20.620 --> 03:18:24.420 that's come in bin. And I was watching him flip through these and I was like 03:18:25.359 --> 03:18:28.581 you know what I miss? I miss going to the fucking record 03:18:33.340 --> 03:18:36.580 And so now I'm like, I told Barbara, I need vinyl again. 03:18:39.980 --> 03:18:52.900 That's why I'm telling David, go to Bucket of Blood, because man, that's what I love about going there. I always have something new and I love flipping through it, you know, and they're just awesome people. Take a trip to Chicago, you know, if it's not too bad with COVID. 03:18:53.620 --> 03:18:54.360 I don't care. 03:18:55.800 --> 03:18:57.200 Well, you got to care. Don't say that. 03:18:58.280 --> 03:18:59.120 I'm not scared. 03:19:01.061 --> 03:19:03.160 All right, John. 03:19:05.360 --> 03:19:13.860 Real quick, George, what you're missing is going to Fells Point, getting hammered at Max's, and then going to Soundgarden and buying some vinyl. 03:19:14.200 --> 03:19:18.240 Because I have no inhibitions about spending money, and I'm like, fuck it, buy it all. 03:19:20.820 --> 03:19:22.960 Dude, we parked a mile away, what the fuck? 03:19:23.550 --> 03:19:24.380 Now you have to Uber. 03:19:26.240 --> 03:19:26.620 Exactly. 03:19:27.680 --> 03:19:57.660 Okay, my listening to list is going to go really fast. We already talked about Draconian, Eternal Champion, and Make It, Tunsword, all cool albums. If those are your jam, give them a spin, I say. So I'm going to jump into an album that did not come out this year that I just discovered. Starborn, Savage Peace. They're in English, just traditional. Again, I hate to use the word US power metal, but I guess you have to differentiate between 03:19:57.680 --> 03:20:27.180 U.S style power metal versus European swords and dragons and keyboards and gang singing, which I fucking hate. But this has a very Crimson Glory, early Fates Warning, very early Queensryche feel to it. If that's your jam, check these guys out. It's a great album. I love it. I've been really big on this type of music recently. I love that album. That's a really good one. Did you listen to it? It's cool, isn't it? And I wish I would have known about it last year. 03:20:27.680 --> 03:20:56.020 Did you listen to Savage Peace? That's the EP, isn't it? No, Savage Peace I think is a full album. I think it's the last one they did. I have it. I bought it, yeah. Okay, yeah, that's from 2019. Yeah, and then they have an EP I think also. But all this kind of mid-80 type metal that I've been listening to led me to my Vault album, which I've done now I guess three times. 03:20:57.700 --> 03:21:03.080 which is a band we did not mention for new releases which is cool but armored saint just 03:21:03.220 --> 03:21:07.760 released punch in the sky which if you're an armored saint fan i actually thought this was one of 03:21:07.760 --> 03:21:15.300 their better albums in a long time um but my vault album is their first album march of the tyrant i went 03:21:15.380 --> 03:21:21.020 back and listened to that again and uh i'm a big fan of that album i've seen them a few times live and 03:21:21.260 --> 03:21:27.660 they're great live and they've got the whole anthrax and fate's warning ties with you know 03:21:27.660 --> 03:21:57.640 members being in those bands, especially Fates Warning with Joey Vera being in now Fates for 25 years almost now, it seems like. So that's my vault album. If you want to go back and listen to that type of metal, that's a solid one to go back. My album of the episode, it's obvious, but it's for not the obvious reasons. It's Fates Warnings, Long Day, Good Night. If it's their last album, it's my album of the episode. I don't know if it's my favorite album of the episode, but 03:21:57.680 --> 03:22:27.640 I want to give props to a band that's been doing it for 40 years basically. Yeah. Did Matt do one album of the episode? I don't think he did George. We'll have to. He was bitchy and he left. Yeah. He has stepped away. I don't think David did either. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. What's your album of the episode? Oh I'm going to go with Judas Priest Firepower. Oh that's a good choice. Yeah. It's really it's just it's really certain even though it's 03:22:27.660 --> 03:22:56.820 It's not new. It's starting to grow on me a lot. I really think there's some really cool elements to it. It still, I think, retains. It's still got the new feel, but Helfer's vocals, the guy's just the master. He's the metal god. That's what I'm going to go with. David, you should ask George what John looked like during that tour when they played Saints in Hell. I literally lost my shit during that song. 03:22:57.660 --> 03:22:58.200 Yeah. 03:22:58.370 --> 03:23:06.040 You know, by the way, I think one of the things that really made that record was Andy Sneak, you know, and he's going to produce the next one, too. 03:23:06.280 --> 03:23:06.980 He's a badass. 03:23:07.899 --> 03:23:08.480 Oh, yeah. 03:23:09.120 --> 03:23:10.860 Anything he touches turns to gold, practically. 03:23:11.000 --> 03:23:12.540 It's, like, ridiculous how good the guy is. 03:23:12.800 --> 03:23:12.980 Yeah. 03:23:13.230 --> 03:23:14.860 And people were pissed at his plan. 03:23:14.860 --> 03:23:17.600 I was like, well, the other guy physically cannot play anymore. 03:23:18.200 --> 03:23:18.480 Right. 03:23:18.979 --> 03:23:24.040 He has a debilitating disease, so let's shut the fuck up and let the other guy fill in for him. 03:23:24.480 --> 03:23:24.660 Right. 03:23:24.910 --> 03:23:25.000 Right. 03:23:25.150 --> 03:23:25.240 Right. 03:23:25.480 --> 03:23:25.560 Right. 03:23:26.780 --> 03:23:28.580 I can't wait for the 50th anniversary, 03:23:28.730 --> 03:23:30.220 which will be the 51st anniversary, 03:23:30.480 --> 03:23:33.160 which was also supposed to be at Valken this year. 03:23:33.900 --> 03:23:38.080 Because apparently Halford's been talking about them pulling out even deeper tracks, 03:23:38.320 --> 03:23:39.780 which I mean, 03:23:39.780 --> 03:23:40.640 how deep are you going to go? 03:23:40.720 --> 03:23:42.420 Maybe solar angels will come back in the set. 03:23:42.780 --> 03:23:43.880 Halford goes pretty deep. 03:23:44.050 --> 03:23:44.700 Let me tell you. 03:23:46.320 --> 03:23:48.600 And I didn't mention this on my release, 03:23:48.690 --> 03:23:50.960 but I've also been listening to fight quite a bit. 03:23:51.300 --> 03:23:51.460 You know, 03:23:51.490 --> 03:23:52.120 I was listening to, 03:23:52.170 --> 03:23:54.560 I even listened to two that album, 03:24:13.980 --> 03:24:23.100 I have a prediction. 03:24:23.779 --> 03:24:53.160 It's not a done deal, but I think 50-50 chance we might see KK Downing back in Judas Priest. Oh, yeah. Starting to be some softer language about that. Even if he just played in London. Yeah, even if he just does a show. But if that happens, then he's going to be on the record, too. Well, his KK Downing's Priest is, you know, definitely people are willing to go see him. And, you know, I know some people that I've talked to are like, well, you know, he made his, 03:24:53.979 --> 03:25:23.020 and all this other stuff. And he's coming out saying, hey, man, I want back in the band. They're really kind of not allowing me to come back in the band. So it's unfortunate because I feel like, you know, it's kind of like peanut butter and jelly. It's KK Downing. He's just as much priest as Glenn Tipton, Rob Halford, Ian Hill. My favorite guitar duo out of all the metal bands. I'm not joking. That's those. Well, you know, the thing. And you know what I like about him, too, is that, you know, 03:25:23.060 --> 03:25:51.820 They're not like real flashy, but they're just they're solid players. And that's the one thing about solos too, that I noticed in a lot of death metal now and a lot of just any style is, you know, singers are singing over everything. So over everywhere. And it's like the music isn't really allowed to breathe, in my opinion. So like when we recorded or when we wrote the music for Suffer for Nothing, that was my main goal was to I want the music to breathe. 03:25:52.200 --> 03:26:21.780 kind of like dying remains era where we wrote a riff. I didn't sing over. I could maybe sing over two riffs. I could say two sentences. And that's all I needed because it fit the song. And so I that's I guess my biggest pet peeve with a lot of the newer music that's coming out is it's just so I feel like these guys are like, how many souls can we cram in here? How much can we sing? And it's like to me, let it breathe. Let it breathe. You know, just let it breathe. 03:26:21.860 --> 03:26:51.660 Give it some air. Let it take on its own life. Create some atmosphere, I guess. And it takes some of the old school guys. They're the ones that got to teach people to do that. Which, by the way, KK made a record with that group of people that's in the can now. So we'll see what that's all about. That should be interesting. Yeah, I assume it's new music. I don't think it covers the Priest tunes or anything. But I read a little. I think it's got Ripper owns on it. Yeah, yeah. That would be cool. Is Les on the album too? Les Binks? I think so. Because he played those shows, didn't he? Yeah. 03:26:51.880 --> 03:27:21.840 I think it was all the guys who played the shows that are on it. Yeah. Hey, Matt, what was your album of the episode? Thank you. Slipknot. Thank you. I'm kidding. I would probably go with Tombs, even though I've listened to it once. But all right. Fair enough. What are you listening to? Well, I can tell you that the quite a bit of the Mortar Skull discography. Most of it's on Spotify, which is good. I like it on Bandcamp so I can buy it and actually give you 03:27:24.060 --> 03:27:51.840 You know what? I bought the two that are on there. Thank you. Driving that point home. Thank you. And I will definitely send an email to my label about the... And do me a favor. When you send the email to them, make sure that labels do this selfish thing where it's like, no, it's going to go under the label bandcamp page instead of the actual Morskoll bandcamp page. Right. You can't find it. Yeah. Make sure they put it under 03:27:51.880 --> 03:27:59.080 your more to school bandcamp page right i will ask them no demand them 03:28:00.380 --> 03:28:09.140 no that attitude tell them i appreciate it yeah what else you got will uh i've been listening to the uh 03:28:09.850 --> 03:28:16.960 weirdly enough the internal champion um i'm like around the cusp of really really liking this and it does 03:28:16.960 --> 03:28:46.940 I scratched that long old school in my high school years that power metal itch but I'm kind of really over power metal at this point so I'm like I have this like god I love a couple songs like really I love this like a guilty pleasure yeah it's exactly it's a guilty pleasure I've been listening to the new Serpent of Secrecy Ave Vindictus which is Serpent of Secrecy is a local DC metal band DC 03:28:46.960 --> 03:28:47.160 Baltimore. 03:28:48.859 --> 03:28:53.720 And this entire album is very emotional because it's all about Reverend Jim Forrester, 03:28:53.810 --> 03:28:59.080 who was killed standing outside his tattoo shop in Baltimore. 03:29:00.900 --> 03:29:05.920 And there's a whole bunch of like race relations stuff that goes along with this. 03:29:06.600 --> 03:29:09.160 But all I can say is like this, this is a great album. 03:29:10.680 --> 03:29:10.860 Go. 03:29:11.880 --> 03:29:12.980 It's very emotional. 03:29:13.870 --> 03:29:14.300 Check it out. 03:29:15.660 --> 03:29:16.380 I like it a lot. 03:29:16.420 --> 03:29:19.240 And there's probably a couple other ones I forgot about, but I was half asleep. 03:29:20.000 --> 03:29:20.940 Because it's late and I'm tired. 03:29:22.680 --> 03:29:25.400 And no offense, David, I do this all the time. 03:29:25.900 --> 03:29:26.560 He does. 03:29:27.040 --> 03:29:29.880 I have kids who run me ragged all day long. 03:29:30.220 --> 03:29:32.600 And it's like, 8 o'clock at night, hey, go on this. 03:29:33.720 --> 03:29:35.700 No, you don't have to give me any excuses, man. 03:29:35.740 --> 03:29:39.380 I have kids, or well, my kids are older, but I've been there before, too. 03:29:39.800 --> 03:29:40.100 Yeah. 03:29:40.859 --> 03:29:42.360 Mine are 9 and 7. 03:29:42.840 --> 03:29:43.340 Oh, Jesus. 03:29:44.260 --> 03:29:44.620 Yeah. 03:29:45.540 --> 03:30:14.100 Well, because kids at that age have so much energy. Yeah. You know, my kids, my kids never lived with me. You know, I always had the, you know, the visitation on the weekends and stuff. And even my son is 18 now, but he's autistic. And, you know, growing, you know, raise, trying to raise him with that. But I just know how you feel because it's like at the end of the day, you know, you're sitting there and the kids are coming at you. 03:30:14.220 --> 03:30:42.500 And it's got so much energy. So I completely hear you. Yeah. All right. Well, let's move on to Jay. I'll be fairly brief. I've been listening to a lot of what we've already talked about in the episode. And there's just no point in me kind of repeating all that stuff. And I, there's a constant thread that goes on between us. And I usually try to catch up with it like once every two weeks. I've been listening to a lot of stuff you guys have been putting forward in the chat thread, went and emptied the mega box every once in a while. 03:30:42.920 --> 03:31:09.940 So I just mentioned those things, but then I always fall into rabbit holes. You know, it just happens to me. And I got in the mail. And just to show this off real quick, they had done these wonderful reissues of Bomber and Overkill Motorhead. And as you guys saw, I sent you photos. I got the Ace of Spades one this last week, and it's a box set. It's so cool. 03:31:12.900 --> 03:31:42.880 came with this live in berlin in 1981 that's a double album live in new orleans also in 1981 so both for that tour so honestly i have been listening to these records like all week long that and all the other vinyl i just got in the mail which was the napalm death stuff we that dropped on us fairly recently oh and i got my where fit my wayfarer vinyl in the mail just the other day so i've been listening a lot of vinyl this weekend um dominated by motorhead because once i get stuck with motorhead then i start 03:31:42.880 --> 03:32:12.020 I listen to all the original stuff. Namely, my favorite Motorhead is Filthy, Fast, and Lemmy. So those records up through Iron Fist. So anyway, I'm stuck on that. These live records are awesome. The live records that came with it. And then it also just lastly, the last thing I'll mention is it also came with a double record of outtakes, alternate takes, weird songs I've never heard before. So I've just been listening to the blackout. That's the shit you love, Jay. You love all that shit. 03:32:12.880 --> 03:32:41.060 I live for this stuff. I know. And then also just worth mentioning about that box set is while I'm listening to these, I'm staring at all the cool shit it came with, like a tour program from the tour and a cool comic book that came out that year. So that's it. So really it's been kind of a Motorhead week over here. But not a deck of Ace of Spades cards. No, but it came with a dice game, as you know. And I did take the dice out of the box and look at them and they have an Ace of Spades out of them. 03:32:42.880 --> 03:33:12.400 you roll for a poker hand. So that's it. That's it. I'm always, and I, and I mentioned it cause I do always want to pimp motorhead. And I think people should buy this, this box, which by the way, the ACE of spades 40th anniversary is topping charts all over the world. So nice. So is that, is that your album of the episode then Jay? ACE of spades is my album of the episode. You know, I just, I'm such a big waterhead guy. And, and I just fucking, I love bomber is underappreciated. Blah, blah, blah. ACE of spades is my album of the episode. Yeah. 03:33:12.900 --> 03:33:42.440 That's it. Nice. All right. I have a short list again. So you're welcome. So 25, Church? No. Only six. Only six. Oh, my God. So I beat you. Yes. Yes. You are the new me. First up is the new Beaten to Death. I'm not sure if these are all out yet. They did a 4EP Quadrology, I guess you might call it. They're a Norwegian Avant Grind band. 03:33:43.699 --> 03:34:12.840 Their last album was called, I think, Agronomicon, which was really frickin' awesome. And this is pretty cool, too. Next up, we have a band called Burning Palace and their first album, Hollow. They're a California death metal band. I just picked that up on Bandcamp the other day. Next up is a band called Cellar Vessel. Their album is called Veined Beneath the Sun. 03:34:12.880 --> 03:34:42.860 It's their first album, but apparently this came out in 2014, or according to my notes, 2104, because I can't type. But they're a Montana prog death band, and apparently it's been re-released. I looked at it, and it's the same songs and stuff, so I don't know if they got signed and are releasing it again or what, but originally it came out in 2014, but it is released now, and it's pretty cool. It's like a prog death thing, so it's death, but it's 03:34:42.880 --> 03:35:10.740 It's got some synthy stuff in there. And it's interesting. Next up is a band. I guess it's pronounced Odle. O-D-L-E. And the album is A-E-R. However you pronounce that. It's an ambient dungeon synth band. This is by some guy named Joel Violette. 03:35:15.601 --> 03:35:40.400 Young Upstart. Right. My friend Joel from Thrasenblatt, he's been playing with his non-metal music stuff and it's up on Bandcamp. It's pretty cool. There's like three people that bought it. I bought it, two other people. It's cool. It's like drums and flutes and stuff. It's you and then you and you again from different accounts. Exactly. Exactly. 03:35:42.900 --> 03:36:12.320 It's cool. So check that out. Next up, I don't know how to pronounce this one either. I'm going to go with Puter Aeon, The Cthulian Pulse, Call from the Dead City. This is the fourth album from a Swedish death metal band. Kind of cool. And finally, Solstafir, Endless Twilight of Codependent Love. Seventh album. 03:36:12.420 --> 03:36:42.320 than Icelandic post-metal band. I haven't been into them as much in recent years, but we got the promo for this. I popped it on, and I was like, this is hitting the spot right now. They're a really good band. You should run out of lube, or why not? You know, we listen, I particularly, I listen to so much Death and Grind that once in a while you just need something that's a little less. I really like that band a lot. 03:36:42.400 --> 03:37:11.120 I struggle with if they're metal or not metal. It's the worst title for an album, I think, this year. But the album is great. I thought it was an interesting title. I mean, it's not metal, but it was interesting anyway. All right, so let's move on. So last time on Metal Thunderdome, Markasson pitted Iron Maiden's Power Slave versus Judas Priest's Defenders of the Faith. 03:37:12.400 --> 03:37:41.080 And I believe it was a tie on the episode, if I recall, because my vote was the tying vote. It happened, yeah. But then we put it up on Facebook so that everybody else could vote as well. And they fucked it all up. And they did not. I mean, David could put in a vote right now. Obviously, he's going to go Judas Priest. Yep. 03:37:41.680 --> 03:38:09.020 But that would only bring it to half as many priest votes as Iron Maiden votes. So Power Slave wins. Not a surprise. Even though I voted for Defenders of the Faith, not a surprise. I did too. So next time, I don't know, maybe, maybe I'll come up with one for the next time. Otherwise it's on to you, Matt. So we'll see. All right. Homestretch. 03:38:20.761 --> 03:38:41.640 We made a list. We all made lists. We made a list. We made a list. We made a list. We made a list. And we're going to tell you all about it right now. Let's do it. So because this is the 30th anniversary of Mortis Guild's first 03:38:42.461 --> 03:39:11.420 We decided to go with the top five metal albums from 1990. Yeah, with all due respect, especially if our guest shows this, but whose fucking stupid idea was this, dude? Actually, it was Markisan stupid idea. This was hard, dude. This is damn near. Any other year, easier. This is hard. You want softballs every single time? Yes, I do. I don't either. I want your softballs in my hand. Of course. 03:39:11.680 --> 03:39:41.540 I have a lot of honorable mentions for this year. Big ground balls. This was a hard one. Well, let's carve right into it here. I say. This is tough. As I explained to you, David, we're going to start with you. Give us your number five from 1990. Testament Souls of Black. Nice. Probably hear that some more times, maybe. No comments? Yeah, why? Why is it your number five? That doesn't have to be. 03:39:43.079 --> 03:40:09.760 I like the economy of that. Yeah, fair enough. No one's going to say that everyone again, by the way. That means we'll have it. No, that means I'm not going to have it. Okay, Mark is on. Mark is on, yeah. My number five is Paradise Lost, Lost Paradise. That's a good one. Credit is one of the first Death Doom albums, if not the very first, and that's a genre of metal I adore. 03:40:11.660 --> 03:40:41.640 is an outlier in their catalog. It's nowhere near their best album. And they're label mates because it was on Peaceville Records. Oh, nice. Yeah, and it had a lot of influence that reverberates today, obviously. Oh, yeah. Our first record, Dying Remains, largely influenced by that. Oh, nice. Yeah, and when it came out, it influenced metal, but it also influenced me to look for similar music. Right. And I also really love the cover on this, which is a robot wheeled 03:40:41.920 --> 03:41:11.360 magic at the edge of a forest blanketed by blood and snow. So. When you, when you say the title too, you sort of sounded like Rain Man. It was like paradise, lost, lost, paradise, paradise, lost. Yeah. I'm a really good driver. It's great. I still listen to it quite a bit. I really liked the last song, uh, Infernal Torment too, a lot. So I still, I still throw it on, even though it sounds nothing like paradise lost now. Nope. All right, Matt. Uh, 03:41:11.680 --> 03:41:38.920 Number 5 is my favorite album by this band. And I really only came into listening to this band over the last few years as there is also a brewery that bears the name of this album. The album is Hammerheart. The band is Bathory. Bathory. Bathory. That's a fucking good one right there. Very nice choice. It is. All right. John. All right. So I had about eight different number 5s. 03:41:41.680 --> 03:42:07.860 myself and go with something different. But I love this album. Allow myself to J myself. Yeah. Sanctuary into the mirror black. Awesome. Love that album. Yeah, it's a good album. It's great. I'm liking more and more that this is such a hard year because we're going to hear a lot of titles here, I think. I've already heard two of my honorable mentions. It's kind of funny because I thought 91 was way harder than 90. So. Will. 03:42:11.680 --> 03:42:40.120 My number five. Yeah, by the way, this is the hardest thing I've ever had to do with like top five. And when I say hardest, like since last year, my cock was so hard and too messin that my number five creator coma of. Oh, shit. I didn't even see that one. I did. I was that. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah. I get too messin for that one. 03:42:43.739 --> 03:43:11.240 All right, Jay. I think I might be the only one to have this, not that it matters, but I think there'll be some hoots and hollers, and I bet you some of you considered it, and it's my least traditional metal album on here, but it is absolutely metal album. Suicidal Tendencies, Lights, Camera, Revolution. Oh, yes! Good album. I love that whole little series of records they put out there around 89, 90, and 91, and this is as good or better than all of them, so. 03:43:13.861 --> 03:43:40.520 This is why 1990 sucks. It's so great. It's so good it's bad. It's a great year, dude. So much good album. Oh yeah, good year for me. Georgie boy. Alright, speaking of non-traditional, my number five is Gwar, Scumdogs of the Universe. They just re-released that. Very nice. 03:43:41.860 --> 03:43:43.000 - Very nice. 03:43:43.510 --> 03:43:43.820 - Very nice. 03:43:44.490 --> 03:43:46.920 - That brings us back to you, David. What's your number four? 03:43:47.340 --> 03:43:49.900 - Number four is Deicide Deicide. 03:43:50.280 --> 03:43:51.000 - Oh, nice. 03:43:51.410 --> 03:43:51.900 - Very nice. 03:43:52.210 --> 03:43:52.440 - Very nice. 03:43:52.480 --> 03:43:53.280 - Very nice. 03:43:54.000 --> 03:43:54.620 Sexy time. 03:43:59.539 --> 03:44:02.620 I want Deicide in my regime. 03:44:08.341 --> 03:44:37.600 Oh my gosh. Uh, number four for me is death, spiritual healing. Um, this album actually would rank lower if I crafted an overall best death list, but it's still death to me. When I, when I like about this record that it really marks a turning point for the band. Yeah. It's more melodic than their first two records in Chuck's writing lyrics that are more about societal themes instead of horror. Right. So it's, it's one of those crucial transition records. 03:44:37.680 --> 03:45:05.920 Well, and James Murphy, too, he definitely did some writing. I talked to him now and again. And James and I, like when the Death documentary came out, I asked him, how come you weren't in it? And he's like, they didn't ask me. But he did mention to me, he's like, you know, I wrote a couple songs on the Spiritual Healing album. James Murphy's a fucking badass. Yeah. 03:45:07.680 --> 03:45:36.720 I'm going to be pleased or horrified that in the beginning part of our recording this episode, I'm desperately seeking the spiritual healing bobblehead. And if you look on eBay or any other place, it's like almost $200. You also get the vinyl record, which I already have the vinyl. So I bid about $120. I'm going back and forth with this, whoever the seller is. 03:45:36.800 --> 03:46:06.640 I'm trying to get to about 125 because I want that bobblehead. I already have the vinyl, but I just want that bobblehead to complete my trifecta of my leprosy, which is crap this year. And all my desk at work. I got the Scream Bloody Gore and I really, really, really want the spiritual healing. Bob your head for the bobblehead. You just didn't preorder it in time or something? I did not. 03:46:07.760 --> 03:46:36.100 You're absolutely right, Jay. It just did not. Well, no, no. I mean, it's funny because I didn't either. Yeah. I mean, he moves him like within hours. It was sold out. Are we ready for Matt? Or did you get all your comments in, Marcus? Yeah, I think that covers it. Yeah, I just really like that it's a transition album for them. You know, it's not my favorite death album, but I like it, especially when you play all the albums from the first one to the last one. You really hear where they like make that shift. Start to turn corners. 03:46:36.780 --> 03:47:05.940 For sure. Not big man. I'm not going to lie from the last Thunderdome. It was Iron Maiden versus Judas Priest. I chose Power Slave. But I was left with guilt because we talked about what, you know, whatever the hang up with the Bruce or Rob. And the answer is Rob. And so that had kind of been sticking with me. And then I saw that this album came out this year. And I don't think I've ever had this band on a list. But I've done. And my number four is Judas Priest. 03:47:07.000 --> 03:47:36.180 Killa. Nice. Very nice. Very nice. I gotta stop saying that. No, I don't. It's very nice. Let's just keep it moving. His porn stash just makes you compelled to say it. It does. Please. Sexy time, please. Take my balls with the mustache, please. What? That's weird. That was my number four. I just woke up. 03:47:36.780 --> 03:48:06.020 I just woke up. I know. Maybe just don't say anything when you just woke up. There's a whole story I could tell you. Anyway, it doesn't matter. John's number four. All right. My number four was on my list last episode we did, but I treated that as an 80s album only because it was written in the 80s, but it was actually released in 1990. I'm the only person who will have this on their list. I still don't know why you guys don't listen to them. 03:48:06.800 --> 03:48:36.700 That's your loss. Atheist. Piece of time. Oh, wow. Fair enough. Mine will be one of the ones that perhaps some of you think I might have a little low, but I guess with such a tough year, we can't be mad at each other about anything. Oh, it's actually Will, sorry. Sorry, I'm sorry. He just pounced all over his shit. I was like, yeah. Sorry. 03:48:36.800 --> 03:48:40.320 I just wanted you to know what you expect when we get to meet. 03:48:40.320 --> 03:48:41.000 Who is number two? 03:48:41.920 --> 03:48:42.680 You are number one. 03:48:43.120 --> 03:48:44.400 You are not number two. 03:48:44.410 --> 03:48:45.160 You are number three. 03:48:46.780 --> 03:48:47.800 Who is number four? 03:48:49.020 --> 03:48:52.980 So my number four as the number three. 03:48:54.770 --> 03:48:55.340 Dun, dun, dun. 03:48:56.960 --> 03:48:59.260 Feel the blood spill from your mouth. 03:49:00.740 --> 03:49:01.620 The rotting ways. 03:49:03.120 --> 03:49:03.640 Obituary. 03:49:04.440 --> 03:49:04.920 Cause of death. 03:49:05.520 --> 03:49:06.340 Holy shit. 03:49:06.460 --> 03:49:36.060 I love that album. That's all I got to say about that. That's all I have to say about that. I didn't know you liked it, but you were a classic. No, no, no. I'll refer you to my previous preamble and just go straight forward with the title of this one, which is Entombed Left Hand Path. Yes. Very nice. It's very nice. My number four has been spoken. It is Bathory Hammerhot. 03:49:37.221 --> 03:50:05.100 Or Bathory, if you prefer. Do you guys know, is Hammerheart Brewing up in Canada? Wherever it's up. It's somewhere up in Canada. Is it what? Is the Hammerheart Brewery up in Canada named after the Bathory album? I would think so, yeah. Yes, it's named after the song. Okay, alright, whatever, yeah. 03:50:06.460 --> 03:50:35.820 That's some Canadian thing. I can pee in their driveway from my house. Excellent. Now, is that your old house or your new house? Good point. It would actually be a house I own that I don't own that doesn't exist yet. You know, just for what it's worth, Matt, that's how I measure everything. So did you buy the new house? Did you buy the new house based on its proximity to Hammerheart Brewing? No, we have not bought the new house, but if we were looking in the city that Hammerheart was in, I would want to live in their driveway. 03:50:36.080 --> 03:51:03.900 See if Hammer Heart's basement's available. Even the parking lot. All right. David for number three. I just did mine. What was that three? Hammer Heart. Oh, Bathory. Excuse me. It's David's turn. Well, my number three has been mentioned, but Will and I are definitely in agreeance. It is obituary cause of death. Nice. Yeah. Great album. 03:51:06.060 --> 03:51:36.040 I feel like when that record came out just like with the spiritual healing record I just it's just something about it you know and I don't know if it's James you know ripping his leads or you know what it just I don't know I just think it was a really magical album it's no frills and just one of my top one of my top favorites if you're a friend with James Murphy can you just tell him to come back out and start making music again yeah well I probably the problem is you know James we all know has had some health problems 03:51:36.340 --> 03:52:05.620 in the past. And I still think that he's sick or anything, but I still think he has some ongoing issues. And I don't think we'll ever see him play in a band again, really. He's got his own studio. He does a lot of guest solos, mixing, mastering for bands. So I think he's just really comfortable with that. I know recently, within the last month or two, 03:52:05.700 --> 03:52:34.700 He did do like a live feed just to see what people wanted to ask him. And he was, you know, he just played a little bit and, you know, people were really, really interested in that. And he's a very, he's a very private guy, but he's a very, very interesting and very talented individual. And, you know, I, I know he was one of the guys that wished me happy birthday on my birthday. So I thought that was kind of cool, you know, cause he knows a lot of people. So. Yeah. I've been thinking for a while now, I need to try and get ahold of him. 03:52:35.100 --> 03:53:04.160 I'd like to do an interview with him to just sort of like a retrospective kind of thing of like, you know, you were in Obituary, you were in Testament, you were in Disincarnate, you know, all this stuff, just to talk about this stuff, because it would be really cool. I completely agree. All right, mark us on number three. Number three for me is Slayer, Seasons in the Abyss. Seasons in the Abyss. 03:53:04.160 --> 03:53:32.040 I love Slayer, but I worshiped them in the 90s. And Seasons is just so good because it delivered that awesome mix of the two albums before it, that ripping thrash of Rain and Blood and then the mid-paced chuggy grooves of my all-time favorite Slayer record, South of Heaven. And it's just full of Slayer classics that you always want to hear live. The title track, war ensemble, dead skin mask. 03:53:32.200 --> 03:54:02.120 What's the worst song on Seasons of the Abyss? What is? A trick question. Exactly. A trick question. Yeah, it's great. Lemmy is God. You know, real quick, I don't want to accept the flow, but the other day I was going to the store, I was going to like an Aldi's, right? And there's this guy, you know, shaved head, whatever, security guard, and you know, got the mask on, whatever, I can't hear what he's saying, and I was wearing my death hoodie, and he's like, hey, he goes, what's the best death song? 03:54:02.200 --> 03:54:31.380 And I'm like, oh, that's sorry. He goes, trick question. They're all good. They're all the best. I'm like, you fucker, man. I'm like, that's a good one. I gotta use that one. That's nice. Yeah, that's good. Matt. I forgot where we are. Three obituary. Cause of death. Nice. Period. Hard stop. Period. Period. Johnny boy. All right. Third one, no one will have on their list. 03:54:32.220 --> 03:55:01.120 Pry, Psychotic Waltz, A Social Grace. I knew that was going to be on there. I did not know that. Yeah, I knew that would be on John's list too. Yeah. Will. Painkiller. Judas Priest, Painkiller. I thought you were going to say Advil or something. It sounds like you need to take some. Judas Priest, Ibuprofen. Anyway, Judas Pry, 03:55:02.200 --> 03:55:06.660 The album is Payain Killar. 03:55:08.940 --> 03:55:10.680 Don't try to be Matt, dude. Don't try to be Matt. 03:55:10.780 --> 03:55:13.180 No, I'm not pitching. I'm seriously not pitching. 03:55:13.340 --> 03:55:15.020 Actually, I like that quite a bit. 03:55:17.920 --> 03:55:18.740 Hey, Jay. 03:55:19.780 --> 03:55:25.100 This one will probably chop off the top of a lot of lists of Megadeth, rest in peace. 03:55:25.840 --> 03:55:26.460 Ooh, nice. 03:55:27.780 --> 03:55:30.860 I just wanted to say, I meant to say this at the beginning of the list, 03:55:30.940 --> 03:56:00.620 that my list is based on 1990 George, not 2020 George. Oh, that's what I did too. Because, you know, some of the things that have been mentioned that are obvious picks to me now, you know, 1990 me was like, no, this is what I like. I did the same thing. So I have some strange, you know, order. Yeah. Stuff is in a weird order, but in any case. Yeah, I'm going to say right now, Cause of Death is not on my list. Fair enough. 03:56:00.660 --> 03:56:26.800 It is in my honorables. Anyway, my number three has been mentioned. Sanctuary into the Mirror Black. Wow. Sanctuary. Fucking love that album. That is like my favorite World Dane performance ever. Do you put your top five 1990 albums on your Tinder account? No, my Grindr account. What are you talking about? I'm sorry, Grindr. 03:56:30.660 --> 03:57:00.580 Murphy's Wikipedia page while we were talking about him. And he plays a solo on Speak of the Devil on World Day and solo record. That appraises to the War Machine. Which is a cool record, by the way. All right, we are back around to number two, David. Number two, which has been mentioned, but entombed, Left Hand Path. Nice. Yeah, and that record, you know, all these records, they're all classics. And I mean, still, I go back and I listen to Left Hand Path now and I go like, 03:57:00.620 --> 03:57:30.260 Fuck, there is not a bad fuck. It's Will, stop that. I'm so tired. I get it. There's not a bad song on the record. It's just front to back. It's like number dos. Yeah, and it holds up, too. Exactly. It's the one record now that I can listen to the HM2 pedal on, which I'm happy to hear. Everyone else is like, you're just copying Entombed. 03:57:31.160 --> 03:58:00.560 Well, the cool thing is that Eric released the full dynamic range version of it, too. So it makes you an even better lesson for it now. Also on Bandcamp. Plug Plug. There you go. They really need to be paying us money because we talk about them so damn much. And I got to say, too, that if you purchase any Entombed album from Eric, the sales go to Lars Gorin Petrov's GoFundMe to help him battle cancer. So get the full dynamic range version. 03:58:01.160 --> 03:58:02.360 of this classic album. 03:58:02.960 --> 03:58:05.740 Which I did by myself for Bandcamp. 03:58:05.820 --> 03:58:06.660 I do have the full dynamic. 03:58:09.520 --> 03:58:10.460 I forgot where the hell we are. 03:58:11.780 --> 03:58:12.560 That's me, I think. 03:58:12.660 --> 03:58:13.340 Number two for me. 03:58:14.860 --> 03:58:19.240 Yeah, George was just mentioning how he was going with 90s George. 03:58:19.660 --> 03:58:21.820 And I kind of did that myself. 03:58:22.320 --> 03:58:22.960 Although I still. 03:58:23.040 --> 03:58:23.780 You were 90s George? 03:58:23.960 --> 03:58:24.220 Really? 03:58:24.980 --> 03:58:26.540 Yes, I was 90s George. 03:58:27.859 --> 03:58:28.340 Danzig. 03:58:28.540 --> 03:58:58.480 Balls Deep in a high school man's ass. Lucifuge. Lucifuge. Love that album. I was crazy, crazy for dancing in their evil blues metal around this time. That was my favorite dancing album. I know it is, George. How the Gods Kill is my favorite, but Lucifuge is the album that got me into the band, and I feel like they just really found their groove on this album. The songwriting, the execution is just excellent, and Danzig sings with incredible 03:58:58.520 --> 03:58:59.840 especially on ballads. 03:59:00.140 --> 03:59:00.240 Yeah. 03:59:00.680 --> 03:59:03.740 So I still spend this one quite a few times. 03:59:04.420 --> 03:59:09.480 And high school me found out that lucifuge actually means something. 03:59:09.730 --> 03:59:16.640 I found out that it's a Latin word that comes from lux, which means light, and fugio, which means to flee. 03:59:16.810 --> 03:59:21.260 So roughly translated, lucifuge means to flee the light. 03:59:21.460 --> 03:59:21.900 Nice. 03:59:22.620 --> 03:59:25.320 Or it could mean the light on two fleas, but you never know. 03:59:25.840 --> 03:59:26.180 Sure. 03:59:27.020 --> 03:59:55.840 Or it could be Lucifer in the Winter Olympics luge event. Or just, you know, the way I said it. Yeah, probably that. All right, Matt. It's not Matt, it's Super Bitchy Matt 2020. My number two is the best album by this band, which is every album by this band, but in 1990, it was Spiritual Healing by the band Death. 03:59:56.420 --> 04:00:25.980 Not to be confused with the documentary, A Band Called Death, on Netflix. Streaming now. That's a badass documentary. Did you watch it, man? It is. Yes. No, that's not being the death documentary. You're talking about the one about the Detroit band. Yeah, A Band Called Death. Yeah, totally. Highly recommended if you haven't seen that. John. All right. With songs like All Guns Blazing, Leather Rebel. 04:00:26.400 --> 04:00:56.240 Metal Maltdown, Hell Patrol. Matt will appreciate this band. Juddus Pari, Painkiller. Touch of evil, man. Come on. All right. Hey, we're going to do that then. Battle him. One shot to glory between the hammer and anvil. We got them all. Thanks. Hey, bitchy Matt, did your kids ever get into Paw Patrol? Us. 04:00:56.420 --> 04:01:25.440 We did. Did you ever just, whatever you saw them watching Paw Patrol, did you go, the Paw Patrol? No, but for that reason, I wish they still did. Which will lead me into my number two, which is Rust in Peace by Megadeth, who has the Dawn Patrol on it. Which is such a fucking cool song. I love Dawn Patrol. Dawn Patrol. 04:01:26.400 --> 04:01:56.380 I love that song dude that's great it was funny um I I mentioned this on the podcast many times and I play this game with my kids where you know we're listening to Sirius XM and you know I have all my favorites programmed and you know a favorite comes on and my kids try and guess like I turn the screen off and my kids have to guess like okay what's the name of the song what's the name of this lead singer what's the name of the band and and uh the other day um it was a Megadeth song that came on I can't 04:01:56.420 --> 04:02:00.460 I don't remember exactly which one and they're like oh I can't figure it out 04:02:01.160 --> 04:02:25.801 and I'm like okay so your your hint is the lead singer mostly talks and everyone's like Dave Mustaine I'm like what like she doesn't even know Megadeth she's like Dave Mustaine that guy just talks like what band is he is like uh oh man what what band is he is like Megadeth like she figures it out but it's like she knows that Dave Mustaine is not a singer he mostly is just a talker 04:02:28.640 --> 04:02:55.180 Okay, then. That said, Jay. And he likes bananas. Yeah, he is a banana. My number two, which first I have to write it wrong that I meant to do, and it'll be very brief, and it's just that we were doing what are we listening to, and we spoke otherwise about this, but one of the things I'm listening to is the new ACDC record, and I mention it because people really need to listen to that. If you're all a fan of that band, I really find the new record. Oh, it's great. I completely agree. 04:02:55.320 --> 04:03:25.160 My dad bought it for my kids on vinyl. I dig it, dude. I'm really... Yeah, I heard Walmart... Isn't Walmart doing some really low special pricing? Because everybody I see is buying the vinyl from Walmart for some reason. Which is funny, because I can remember when they would not sell back on black. Right? Back in black. Back in the day. Fuckers. Back in black. I've been changed by that record label. So my number two is, we were talking about, this is 1990J, just to say, as you would say, George, there's so many good things. 04:03:25.340 --> 04:03:52.940 came out this year. This just could not be my number one, but this band was so important to me from the time that I first got the return. So mine is Hammerheart, Bathory number two. Oh, wow. And it would easily, honestly, have been my number one if my number one wasn't my number one quite up. But it's just, I love this record so much. And I love everything that leads up to this record, Bathory. And I was like, of course, I was a genius. I was one of those guys. Yeah, man, when I was, I, I hate flying with a passion. 04:03:55.340 --> 04:04:24.800 I take a lot of drugs, a lot of alcohol. That's the only way to fly. Prescription drugs, not like, you know, heroin or anything stupid like that. But, you know, Xanax and whiskey gets me on a flight. But I was flying to my sister's wedding in Norway. And as we were flying over Norway, because we were flying, it was all the way at the tippy top north of Norway. I was like, I got to listen to some fucking Hammerheart. And, you know, that was, it was like Xanax. 04:04:25.340 --> 04:04:26.260 Jimmy Walker, 04:04:26.960 --> 04:04:28.400 hammer heart got me to Norway. 04:04:30.420 --> 04:04:31.640 Nice 13 hour flight. 04:04:32.100 --> 04:04:32.260 Yeah. 04:04:33.240 --> 04:04:35.560 Some of my good songs in there baptized and fire and ice. 04:04:35.680 --> 04:04:37.160 It's just fucking so good. 04:04:37.440 --> 04:04:38.100 Love that album. 04:04:38.940 --> 04:04:39.640 Number two G. 04:04:39.740 --> 04:04:39.860 Oh, 04:04:40.780 --> 04:04:42.500 I want to mention before I do my number two, 04:04:42.600 --> 04:04:46.500 that I didn't do my album of the episode as I always frequently forget to do. 04:04:46.640 --> 04:04:47.160 Cause I'm like, 04:04:47.480 --> 04:04:48.120 let's move on. 04:04:48.590 --> 04:04:48.700 Uh, 04:04:48.960 --> 04:04:50.080 which was a feather and bone. 04:04:50.610 --> 04:04:50.720 So, 04:04:52.260 --> 04:04:52.700 uh, 04:04:52.700 --> 04:04:53.460 and my number. 04:04:53.860 --> 04:04:53.940 Yeah. 04:04:54.040 --> 04:05:23.880 Sorry, I also want to mention that because I was half asleep, but Feather and Bone, fucking, that is just unrelenting brutality. Yeah. Yeah. Check that shit out. I like it a lot. My number two, not a big surprise, Megadeth Rust in Peace. Rust in Peace. Yup. All right, let's see who owns this year. Yup, number one, man. David. 04:05:24.040 --> 04:05:53.500 Number one, death, spiritual healing. Not a surprise. No. Not a surprise. When I had it on my number five, David was like, ugh. No, it's just that, you know, it's a great record. Good songwriting. Like, you know, like we, Chuck, you know, started writing a little differently, theme, lyric-wise. And, you know, I thought James' style really amped up the band a little bit. 04:05:54.040 --> 04:06:22.820 And it's just one, like, I can put that on time and time again, and I never get sick of listening to it. Nice. Yeah, that's great. Number five. Well, what's number one then, Marcus? Number five in this year is pretty crazy. Yeah. Number one for me has been mentioned. There's a lot of great albums in 1990, but for me, this one's a giant stack of skulls above the rest. 04:06:24.040 --> 04:06:53.460 My favorite death metal albums. It's monumentally influential and an absolute crusher with a glorious guitar tone. It's entombed left-hand path of this fucking record. Right. And I normally, you know, it's funny because normally I, like when we went, we played symbolic open air last year and like God the throne was there. 04:06:54.020 --> 04:06:58.700 and a bunch of other bands and I kind of looked at guys I'm like why does everybody sound like 04:06:58.900 --> 04:07:04.240 entombed here like it just to be like ever like seriously I sat through four days of bands 04:07:05.180 --> 04:07:20.481 and every time I'd say at least 90% of the bands to me reminded me of entombed and I don't know why that sound is so sought after and entombed did it and did it perfect you know 04:07:20.480 --> 04:07:50.460 It's that HM2 pedal, man. I think it's a hunk of shit. I know, but that is the sound. If you talk about Swedish death metal, it's the HM2 pedal. But if you take that HM2 pedal and you run it through the back of the amp, it sounds fucking great and sounds nothing like Intuned. Fun fact, I also learned that the title of this album refers to the left-hand path 04:07:50.520 --> 04:08:20.460 belief system which is found in anton levy's book the satanic bible oh yeah yeah but he didn't create it i mean that's a long-standing concept yeah yeah all right uh matt matt yeah propaganda death ensemble burial to be corpses rotting through the night in blood-laced misery scorched earth 04:08:20.500 --> 04:08:50.460 The policy, the reason for the siege, the pendulum that shaves the blade, the strafing air blood raid. Numero uno, cisiones in the abyss. Would you say it's will-seasoned? Will-seasoned. I like knocked all my shit out of it. Anyway. John. All right. So since 04:08:50.500 --> 04:09:17.060 I have David on and listening to him and George on Dead Letter Missions. I've come to decide I'm changing this band's name. The album is called Bananas in Peace. And the band is called Banana Death. Mega Nana. Mega Banana. Or, yes, Mega Banana. That's Will. Will is the Mega Banana. 04:09:20.480 --> 04:09:46.420 You can't choose a bad number one this year, can you? You just can't. There's nobody. We can't look at each other and go, that was a dumb choice, dude. You could be like, my number one is scatterbrain. That would be a bad number one choice, just saying. That's not my number one. That's not my number one. I was making a joke. Mega banana. My fine choice. Yes, sir. 04:09:50.480 --> 04:10:20.180 You will super appreciate this. If you can see this. Ooh. Hells yeah. That's badass. Hold on. Hold on. Oh man, that's beautiful. Wow. Victory is to survive. Oops. You just cut yourself out by these. We got just a couple words here. Fuck you, Jay. Can you hear me now? Yep. Yes, sir. 04:10:20.500 --> 04:10:50.440 The guy tries to hug him. Victory is to survive. Victory is to survive and death is defeat. That was on the back of my old school Marine Corps bomber jacket. Did he just take mushrooms? It's on the back of my jacket. It's on the back of my Marine Corps bomber jacket. 04:10:50.480 --> 04:11:20.080 Sounds like Will found the Mega Banana. I think he slipped on the Mega Banana. Slayer, Season of the Abyss. Not surprised, not surprised. Not at all. Unpredictable and I'm okay. So for mine, Hammerheart really was like this, I had a very almost spiritual connection to that record. But if this juggernaut of a record had not come out in 1990, Hammerheart would have been up there, but she just, 04:11:20.480 --> 04:11:50.300 What are you going to say? Slayer Seasons in the Abyss. It's a fucking machine gun of a fucking record, dude. So good. And it starts the decade with that fucking chaos, man. It's a wonderful record. And still for a lot of us, still a favorite metal record, obviously, right? I mean, it's so fucking good, dude. Georgie. What are you going to say? Slayer Seasons in the Abyss. It's a tough one. That's a tough one to say. Death is defeat. That's not fucking good. 04:11:50.500 --> 04:12:19.020 And everybody made good choices, but there's so much good stuff in that year. And for me, this fucking slices through them all like a buzzsaw, dude. I just like it that much. I've got a number of honorable mentions. So if people want to go through. Would you say it slices through like a chainsaw to the taint? Through a banana. Are you going to shave your taint with a chainsaw? David, do you have any honorable mentions you'd like to mention? 04:12:20.920 --> 04:12:50.460 If you pick the Black Album over that, you just really... What the hell is wrong with Will's voice? Alright, let's do these honorable mentions so I can go to bed. Are you that sleepy that you just voice went down an octave? Can you hear that? Your voice is really low. David, do you have any honorable mentions that you want to talk about? I'm not sure what you mean by that. Just like once that 04:12:50.500 --> 04:13:19.920 You know, didn't quite make the list. Albums that didn't quite make the list. Stuff that you dug. Basically, name every awesome album that ever came out in 1990 and just start listening to one. What the fuck is wrong with you, dude? Everybody pretty much nailed, you know, there are a couple that did make my list, but I know you got Judas Priest, Painkiller, and there are so many good albums of that year. It was just a phenomenal year, and there's so many. 04:13:20.480 --> 04:13:48.560 There's just too many to mention, but I think all between us all, I think we've covered pretty much the top ten, you know? Yeah. Yeah. So, agreed. And let's chop through these quick then, if we can. Marcus, you got some? Sure you do. Yeah, I mean, I would just second Sanctuary into the Mirror Black. That would probably be the number six obituary cause of death would be up there. I also really like Sadist, Smollett and Black. That's pretty high for me. 04:13:48.700 --> 04:14:17.080 And I'm a big fan of Merciless. There's a death metal band. The Awakening came out. And then I always struggle with Alice in Chains and whether that's metal or not. I would be on there. Or you know what? Nobody mentioned this one though. What about Harmony Corruption, Napalm Death? I don't think you mentioned that one. I forgot about that. There's another classic. And we have some Napalm Death fans here for sure. Oh yeah. 04:14:18.700 --> 04:14:48.420 Cool. Matt, you got a few? My list is every album other than the five I mentioned that came out in 1990. Fair enough. Good choice. John, then. Okay, so I do think the first two Alice in Chains albums are metal, so Alice in Chains, Spacelift, Blind Guardian, Tales from the Twilight World, Death, Spiritual Healing, Forbidden, Twisted in Form. Oh, I forgot about that. Damn it. Intuned, Left Hand Path, 04:14:50.960 --> 04:15:16.980 Mekong Delta, Dances of Death, and other Walking Shadows. What about violence? Oppressing the masses! And then, I don't know, some band called Slayer. And I think they might have merged with Mega Banana for Bananas in the Abyss. I don't know why, it just sounds funny. Not as funny as Will sounds. 04:16:18.720 --> 04:16:48.680 I love the album they have a song called practicing without a degree 44 caliber brain surgery but as a sniper in the Marine Corps we said 308 caliber brain surgery spiritual healing which is like I struggled not putting that on my list I love DSI Dio lock up the wolves prong beg to differ I'm a big prong fan sacred right the American way violence oppressing the masses I mean go on and on and on like 1990 is like unbelievable with good music 04:16:49.500 --> 04:16:50.460 I'd fuck me. 04:16:53.340 --> 04:16:54.920 Put the notion in the basket. 04:16:56.500 --> 04:16:57.600 It's something with this microphone. 04:16:57.880 --> 04:16:58.080 Yeah. 04:17:00.680 --> 04:17:02.520 No, your voice is like about two. 04:17:02.900 --> 04:17:05.460 It's like an octave lower. 04:17:05.860 --> 04:17:06.100 So much better. 04:17:06.580 --> 04:17:07.220 So much better. 04:17:07.360 --> 04:17:08.100 It's very sexy. 04:17:08.580 --> 04:17:10.520 And honestly, you're talking kind of slow. 04:17:10.940 --> 04:17:12.980 It's not you, but it's just like, it's just like. 04:17:13.080 --> 04:17:14.980 You sound like we're trying to mask your voice. 04:17:15.420 --> 04:17:16.020 Yeah, it's so weird. 04:17:16.160 --> 04:17:16.280 Exactly. 04:17:17.520 --> 04:17:18.380 All right, I'll get through mine fast. 04:17:18.480 --> 04:17:47.460 I'm completely talking normal right now. Does this still sound weird? Yes. Okay. So here, I'll make quick work of mine. But these were the ones that it was hard for me. These are the ones that was hard for me. It puts the lotion in the basket else it gets the hose. It gets the hose again. Either way. Judas Priest Painkiller. Deicide's first album. King's X Faith Hope Love. I'm sure John wouldn't care about that one. 04:17:52.020 --> 04:18:16.700 I agree with King's X. Controversial, but I like it. Celtic Frost, Vanity, Nemesis, Creator, Coma of Souls was very hard for me to put on there. And then last but not least, Motorhead had a live record that year called No Sleep At All, which was the sort of live debut of the newer band, the live record. And it's a good record. It's got stuff off of rock and roll and orgasmatron and stuff. 04:18:19.940 --> 04:18:48.000 This is where I do come in a little long, but not too long. Alice in Chains, Facelift. That's what she said. Anthrax, Persistence of Time, Danzig 2, Lucifuge, Death, Spiritual Healing. Sorry, but it's in there. Death Angel Act 3. The self-titled Deicide Album, Entombed Left Hand Path. One that is 04:18:48.040 --> 04:19:18.000 Vastly Underrated. Nobody's said it, but it is one of my favorite albums from this band, and that is Flotsam and Jetsam's When the Storm Comes Down. I fucking love that album. Judas Priest, Painkiller. Another one that nobody mentioned that I really loved, King Diamond's The Eye. The Eye of the Witch, come on. That song fucking kills, man. Actually, I don't know why I even say that, George. It was actually written on my list, and it was the last one before he took the little break, so it was the last real 04:19:18.020 --> 04:19:47.240 The early King Diamond Records. That's a great record. Yeah. Obituary Cause of Death. I wasn't joking. Scatterbrain, Here Comes Trouble. The dudes from Ludacris, the band after Ludacris, Scatterbrain. It's kind of jokey, but still kind of cool. Don't Call Me Dude. Don't Call Me Dude. Dude, don't call me dude. Fucking dug those guys. And another one that's, yeah, it's, 04:19:48.040 --> 04:20:16.400 Probably not really a metal album, but Warrior Souls Last Decade Dead Century was also a cool album. Yeah, that's it for me. Wow, really weird. No one picked No Prayer for the Dying. Yeah, I like that album. It's not weird to me. I don't like it. I like that album. I saw that tour. Is that the Zabtail Gunner and Bring Your Dog to the Slaughter? It does. So on. 04:20:18.040 --> 04:20:47.560 Bring your daughter. Bring me your daughter. Well, we did it. Yeah. Yeah. It's the first pre or under five hour episode in a while. Yeah. We just, just under four and a half hours. Yeah. But I am looking very forward to standing up. So. Yeah. Well, and thanks so much for coming on, David. It's a pleasure to talk to you about. No, I, you know, thank you. I appreciate all you guys. And, 04:20:48.040 --> 04:21:17.740 You know, go and friend me on Facebook. I always like having a lot of like-minded friends, especially metalheads. So please do not be shy. If you're on Facebook and you do that kind of thing or Instagram, whatever, just go and follow me or I'll follow you back. And no, I appreciate all you guys, man. This is really, really fun. And you know, it's a way of life. It's how we live and you know, let the metal flow. I know it's already been stated, but it was a treat. It was a treat to talk to you, dude. Really. Awesome. 04:21:18.020 --> 04:21:18.300 Thank you.