WEBVTT 00:00:00.020 --> 00:00:05.180 Metalhead Podcast, Metalhead Podcast, go! 00:00:26.180 --> 00:00:27.880 You must listen. 00:00:28.720 --> 00:00:30.060 You must listen. 00:00:31.480 --> 00:00:32.460 You must listen. 00:00:36.200 --> 00:00:40.420 Now, here is the podcast, Metalheads Podcast Go. 00:00:41.280 --> 00:00:45.380 Welcome back to the third edition of the Metalheads Podcast Coronavirus War Journal. 00:00:46.260 --> 00:00:52.580 Despite what some may think, the pandemic is still raging strong and life as we know it remains drastically altered. 00:00:53.460 --> 00:00:57.840 In this episode, we check in with our old friend Mark Franceschi, a.k.a. 00:00:58.160 --> 00:01:04.019 The Franchise, John and JR from Brimminghorn Meadery, and the guys in Utkiaru. 00:01:04.760 --> 00:01:06.020 Enjoy and stay well. 00:01:08.020 --> 00:01:09.500 Hello and welcome to the Metal Heads Podcast. 00:01:09.780 --> 00:01:10.480 My name is George. 00:01:11.260 --> 00:01:11.780 This is Jay. 00:01:12.360 --> 00:01:12.840 This is Will. 00:01:13.360 --> 00:01:14.080 This is John. 00:01:14.560 --> 00:01:15.200 This is Matt. 00:01:15.800 --> 00:01:16.800 This is Markisan. 00:01:17.000 --> 00:01:21.400 We are joined today by Mark Franceschi, a.k.a. 00:01:21.760 --> 00:01:22.640 The Franchise. 00:01:23.180 --> 00:01:51.440 Howdy. Long time no see, my friend. I know. I know. When is the last time we saw you? Yeah, my first order of business is going to be, where the fuck have you been? Is it Death Fest indoors? Point of order. We went to see two mold and chemists back to back nights, which was a pretty epic 24 hours. However, George was not there. That's correct. It has been a long time since I've seen him. Yes. 00:01:53.840 --> 00:02:19.340 The Temple of Void Show at Atlas. That was the last time I saw you. Maybe you'll see them there again on, I think it's August 16th. If we can have a show. Every silver lining has its cloud. They'll get you going with a positive feat forward. I like it. By the way, this just fell into my view too. I just found this sitting next to my computer. Just to break your hearts a little more. 00:02:24.160 --> 00:02:52.380 But hey, on the upside, it now doubles as toilet paper. Well, did you guys do a refund on these? Like what happened with these? I don't remember. It's postponed. Yeah, it's postponed. Okay, so we get to use it. Hang on to it. Okay. Not that it's ever going to get used, but there's no way they're going to be able to open up something as big as a decibel this year. And then there's this, George. Yeah, the Valken. 00:02:52.400 --> 00:03:22.060 But that's a really nice smooth piece of toilet paper right there. I didn't realize you were going to Valk and Jay. That's cool. Yeah. My whole plan was when we got to Metal Fest with George and I, I was going to grab them and sit down and say, okay, we got to finalize our plans. Yeah. So have you guys decided what you're going to do? Well, I don't think they've given us options yet. No, but you know, if next year is an option and if there are shows in Germany in July, August of next year, yeah, it's, it's, 00:03:22.420 --> 00:03:50.940 on the table. Do it. Especially if Matt's going to be there. I got to find somebody who's not going to, who's going to take the refund. Somebody else. You guys have flights and everything? No, no, just take it. We were literally going to finalize at Philadelphia when we saw each other and we didn't, and you know what happened there. You know what? I picked up some tidbits my last time I was going to share them with you. We'll see about where to go to the bathroom. Nice. My biggest concern was accommodations. 00:03:52.400 --> 00:04:22.380 I'm like, you know, I mean, the tent was okay other than the fact that it rained and all my shit, literally all my shit got wet. Um, did you, we were going to rent a camper? Yeah. The mosh till would work. It's a little pricey, but like Jay said, the camper idea is brilliant. However, I was concerned that, uh, the, there's a limited amount of, of places to park campers and I was worried, uh, we weren't going to be able to get a spot. Um, but yeah, the 00:04:22.440 --> 00:04:52.360 The Camper ID would be brilliant because you got someplace indoors to sleep and at least take a leak if not number twos. But it would just I think be a definite improvement. But however, given new Svelter George, I may be game for more. I might actually be able to fit into the toilet stalls now. Last time it was literally like wedge my shoulders in and be like. Yeah, they're tight. You know, how you get it? 00:04:53.220 --> 00:04:55.040 You can't even put your arms down 00:04:56.240 --> 00:04:57.920 Before we get to Mark here 00:04:58.040 --> 00:04:58.600 Yeah, I was going to say 00:04:59.400 --> 00:05:00.300 Forget about Mark 00:05:01.060 --> 00:05:02.560 Well, but I saw George's shirt 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:04.300 So I want to do a shirt check real quick 00:05:05.420 --> 00:05:06.500 Deep purple, baby 00:05:07.020 --> 00:05:07.520 Deep purple 00:05:07.800 --> 00:05:09.200 I've got a carcass on today 00:05:09.260 --> 00:05:10.280 I ordered a couple new carcass shirts 00:05:10.680 --> 00:05:11.100 Oh, nice 00:05:11.220 --> 00:05:11.600 That's a good one 00:05:11.620 --> 00:05:12.100 I like that one 00:05:12.360 --> 00:05:12.560 Yeah 00:05:14.420 --> 00:05:14.740 Anybody? 00:05:15.500 --> 00:05:16.560 I see chemists on 00:05:16.620 --> 00:05:17.040 Mark is on 00:05:17.340 --> 00:05:18.020 Hi chemists 00:05:18.520 --> 00:05:19.400 Yeah, I got my 00:05:19.400 --> 00:05:21.639 Oh, that's the design I have on my hoodie 00:05:21.660 --> 00:05:25.400 It's on the back of my hoodie there. Yes. I got my 00:05:26.840 --> 00:05:28.040 my Galactic Empire. 00:05:28.540 --> 00:05:30.340 It's kind of like the Star Wars 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:31.520 meets Iron Maiden Trooper. 00:05:32.180 --> 00:05:34.260 So instead of the Trooper, it's Storm Trooper. 00:05:34.660 --> 00:05:34.800 Yes. 00:05:36.320 --> 00:05:37.720 I learned this the other day. 00:05:37.720 --> 00:05:39.620 I went with two molds, which in the 00:05:40.360 --> 00:05:42.060 like in the zoom, it actually makes the logo 00:05:42.280 --> 00:05:42.980 easier to read. 00:05:43.760 --> 00:05:44.660 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:45.060 Totally. 00:05:45.840 --> 00:05:46.560 Read better? 00:05:47.680 --> 00:05:49.980 This is planetary clairvoyance. 00:05:50.020 --> 00:06:20.000 It glows in the dark. It's pretty sweet. Oh, nice. Did you get that at Atlas? I did. I should have got one. Yeah. I almost wore my Morta Ferrum shirt, but it's like, it's like somebody just spilled ink on a shirt because you can't read or make out anything. I love that Morta Ferrum shirt because I always buy, even if it's like a band, I'm not the biggest fan of, but if they list the tour dates on the back and it's then they actually, instead of just saying DC, they say Atlas Brew Works, I buy it no matter what. And that Morta Ferrum shirt has that on it. Not the one I got because I 00:06:20.020 --> 00:06:49.860 I had to get the fat one. But hey, I am down a fucking shirt size. I can get real shirts now. I'm down to two. I can get the two X's now. Everybody's got a two X. Nobody's got a three X. I was just going to tell you, George, instead of dropping the X, drop the L. I'll see you three X. I've got my true brewing. And then yesterday I had on my brand new long sleeve Temple of Void shirt. I wore that and nothing else for a good chunk of the day. I can't see which true is it because I was wearing true earlier. 00:06:51.720 --> 00:07:19.960 I got two of the other ones. I got one where it's like a hooded guy holding kegs. Nice. And then another one that's like a skull with a spine and some sort of weird... I got the keg one. I like that one a lot. Yeah. John, just black t-shirt? Can't see. No, I'm not wearing the Spinal Tap 84 World Tour shirt. That's sad nobody gets that joke. I got it. No, I got it. I'm glad one person did. 00:07:21.440 --> 00:07:27.660 I laughed it's blacker than black uh no I'm wearing the return of the 00:07:27.770 --> 00:07:37.820 Belgian beer fest that I went to in Boston I don't know 15 years ago it was unreal drunken hijinks for the 00:07:37.830 --> 00:07:44.759 whole day in a really small space a lot of and that's different than any other day why because I was drinking Belgian beers and 00:07:46.120 --> 00:08:12.480 Pound for Pound, probably the best country in the world for beers. Well, since we're doing shirt check, do we want to do beer check too? Sure. I'll go first. You go first. Funk Brewing Double Citrus Imperial IPA. Never had it before. It's not bad. Not yet. I'll go since I'm next in the window for me. 00:08:14.780 --> 00:08:44.740 through the first six of flying dog doggy style and we are now in two second. Wait, you went and got a second? Yeah, it was I had like ordered it. And then I was like, oh, I should see about Atlas. And that's when I talked to you. So oh, so you already ordered the other flying the other doggy style. Okay, yeah. And then I talked to you. I was like, ah, crap. I you know, if I just like thought of this a day ago, I would have done that. So next one, Atlas. God, I am not drinking beer. I am 00:08:44.780 --> 00:09:13.520 drinking a fine Virginia scotch, which I think they just buy the scotch from someplace and finish it off in sherry barrels or something. But it's actually really good. It's not scotch. It's from Virginia. What distillery? What's that? What distillery? I think it's called Virginia, Virginia distillery or something like that. Okay. Because we have one, we have one right by us, false church distillery, which has gotten a lot of press. He doesn't look at the label. He just rips off the top and starts hammering it. Yeah. Okay. 00:09:17.020 --> 00:09:44.740 For anybody who wasn't here before, the closest brewery to my house is one of the unholy trinity of Brew Metal Will's former employer. So I went to Fairwinds the other day. Traitor! Ghost of the Mariner Double Barrel Aged Imperial Stout. Fairwinds is fine. Yeah, that's a good one. It's the other one I don't talk about. Right. I just actually, weirdly enough, I had to do an interview with my buddy Louie, who was a 00:09:45.900 --> 00:10:12.420 And he's doing a big issue on a big essay and stuff he wants to do for the Washingtonia magazine on the Virginia heavy metal music scene and everything. And I had to sit there and he's asking, how did you get into the metal scene in DC and all this stuff? And what was your connection? And it's like, well, it all started at that first brewery. So I had to write this whole thing and not mention the brewery once. 00:10:14.780 --> 00:10:44.280 The Brewery That Shall Not Be Named. That brewery is the reason I'm on this show right now. Yeah. Because I used to be the closest brewery to my house. And I followed it on Twitter and they would retweet some brewer guy who would brew beer and write on the chalkboard like the metal music that was playing while they were brewing the beer, that being Will. So I started following him. And then he said, hey, I'm on this podcast. Listen to, I think it was year-end 2014, something like that. Yeah, that was the one. And now here we are. 00:10:44.320 --> 00:11:14.200 Wow. Oh, that may be where. I think I was 15, maybe. I met Will at Jack's through another person. And it was all Twitter. We all met via Twitter. And so I met you there. But then, John, I met which one was it? Was it Fairwinds or was it the other one? I met you at Fairwinds. I went up to you. Yeah, yeah. I remembered that. I just don't remember which one it was. It was Fairwinds. Fairwinds. 00:11:14.340 --> 00:11:41.540 I think it was the first one at Fairwinds. Yeah, it was either for, it was a CD release, B release for either Gloom or Yesterday Saints. It was Yesterday Saints, yeah. And the speakers sounded like shit. Yeah. Because Barb was there. Yeah. And she, I'm introduced. She was? Yeah, she was. She came with me and met Matt and I can't remember his wife's name, but met the two of them. 00:11:44.340 --> 00:12:13.540 And I was like, I'm going to get a beer. And I go up to the bar and this tall guy comes up to me and he's like, hey, do that podcast. I was like, that certainly doesn't sound like John. I wasn't that old yet. I said tall guy. I didn't think I said old guy. Wait, let me put my dentures in. I would have gotten away with them. Pardon me, young man. 00:12:14.320 --> 00:12:16.140 One of those podcasts. 00:12:17.180 --> 00:12:18.020 That's good. I like that. 00:12:18.680 --> 00:12:21.820 Which gives me a total right turn to mark us on. 00:12:22.660 --> 00:12:25.300 Because we've been talking about the Clone Wars show. 00:12:27.279 --> 00:12:30.320 And so I was like, all right, I bet the bullet. 00:12:31.300 --> 00:12:32.240 Realized my mistake. 00:12:32.410 --> 00:12:33.800 You saw what I said about my mistake. 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:38.520 I was like, oh, the artwork and the animation in that is fucking horrible. 00:12:38.640 --> 00:12:42.840 And that was the first, like, three-year series that it was just stupid looking. 00:12:43.040 --> 00:13:12.140 But then the one that everybody likes came a couple years later. I mean, I like that original one as well. But I know what you're saying. The animation is very stylized, whereas the new series is like a 3D. I felt like it was not really. When you say the new one, you're talking about the one that's now on Disney Plus where they're finishing out the season or something like that? Yeah, it's not really new, but there's an older series that's like a 2D cartoon. I just didn't feel like the animation in that did justice to what Star Wars should be. 00:13:13.020 --> 00:13:42.980 But this new one, I like. I did get through the first episode before realizing there's a movie, so I have to watch the movie now before I can carry on. Wait, the Clone Wars movie? Yeah, I didn't know there was a movie. It's terrible. Spoiler alert. The first half hour is okay, but then it just turned, it's almost like it was, it's kind of like Solo. You can kind of tell that there's two different directors. It almost seems like it's two different directors because it kind of started off okay, and then it just turned into the stupid kid humor kind of like, 00:13:43.020 --> 00:14:11.380 Just imagine if you were watching Revenge of the Sith and then halfway through you started watching episode one. You're like, what the hell just happened? Yeah. Did any of you guys play the new Jedi game? No. I downloaded it. I haven't started it yet because I'm finishing Doom, but it's supposed to be fucking great. I got confused because for some reason I thought that Clone Wars took place after the third prequel, but it's between two and three. You know what the second movie is called, right? 00:14:13.020 --> 00:14:43.000 Yeah, the Clone Wars. Right. But for some reason, I thought... But, you know, because the prequels are so awesome, I don't watch them very often. And it just kind of... My timeline was a little fuzzy. So I was like... Welcome to the Metalhead Star Wars podcast. Because I was all like, why is Anakin there? Why the hell is... Wait, Duke is bad, right? That makes sense. But why the hell is Mace Windu alive? Help me out here. I'm a little old. How did we... 00:14:43.020 --> 00:15:12.800 Talking about me being old at Atlas to going to the Clone Wars. It was like a complete left turn. I told you that. It's because Marcasson said something that reminded me of that. Marcasson, what are you drinking? I'm drinking coffee. I'm drinking it. Do you? It's pet cats and listen to metal. Nice. But it's three o'clock there. That's not too early. It's three o'clock, yeah. 00:15:13.020 --> 00:15:42.520 It's not too early. It's never early. Like every day, so I give it a little break. Maybe halfway through this cast, I'll put some rum in here or grab a beer. All right, fair enough. Who hasn't said with it? Matt, have you? I've got a glass of my own urine. That's pretty good. That's Irish whiskey, two gingers. Which one? Which Irish whiskey? Two gingers. 00:15:43.020 --> 00:16:12.900 Oh, it's called you. I've had that. It's pretty good. I don't know. I'm kind of clearing out the liquor cabinet, getting through this stuff that I haven't had in a while. I mean, redhead, so it might kill you. So, Mark, how you doing? Yeah, man. This is a wellness check is what this is. Consider it a wellness check. Yes. How are you and everyone related to you doing? Is everyone well and doing okay? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Thanks. 00:16:13.540 --> 00:16:42.400 Thanks for checking. My wife runs the one-room schoolhouse upstairs. I sit in this room and do my job all day. So you're able to work remotely then? Yes. Yes, I do. Do you normally work remotely or is that an answer? No, but I don't know how I would ever go back after this. I know. I think millions of us are asking ourselves that same question. I know. I'm like, I don't care. First of all, there's a word we use for people who are opening up again and planning to do that. 00:16:42.460 --> 00:17:12.400 They're called guinea pigs. Because we're going to wait and see how many of them die before deciding to go back into work. Because there's no rush for me to go back to work. Speaking of Matt's whiskey, in Braveheart, those people were known as the Irish. Yes. It's my island. And I'm planning to have a little conversation with my boss when talk of going back happens and being like, look, I work remotely too. 00:17:12.480 --> 00:17:42.220 days a week. I think four sounds better. I'll come in on Fridays for meetings. So we'll see. So Mark, the franchise. So I lose track, but how many kids do you have now? 15, I think. Several. Apparently a skull's worth. If you feed one after midnight, there's more in the morning. He loses track himself, Will, I think. 00:17:42.440 --> 00:17:44.840 The next question is, 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:46.980 so spending all this time at home, 00:17:48.040 --> 00:17:50.400 are we going to see another one in January? 00:17:51.780 --> 00:17:55.000 No, because then I have a doctor I need to talk to. 00:17:55.660 --> 00:17:58.680 I need a refund on something if that happens. 00:18:00.580 --> 00:18:00.940 Right. 00:18:02.240 --> 00:18:02.900 Snippy, snippy. 00:18:03.440 --> 00:18:04.980 No, but do you have three or four now? 00:18:05.460 --> 00:18:06.700 I have four kids, yeah. 00:18:06.800 --> 00:18:06.940 Yeah. 00:18:09.560 --> 00:18:39.440 They all have birthdays around the same time. So they're two and four and six and eight. All around the same time. That's got to give you a clue that like, hey, it's that time of year. Maybe I ought to wrap it. Yeah. Well, actually, it would be time because it's two, four, six, eight. I've broken the symmetry. Like I wouldn't even if it were possible. I don't know if I'd be able to consider it because it wouldn't meet the pattern. Yeah. Yeah. The kid would end up being a serial killer or something. 00:18:39.560 --> 00:19:09.360 because they would not be there. Yeah. They missed your chance. Shoot. But two, four, six, eight is pretty good though. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That'll do. So how's the, how's the pandemic messing with your daily life? I mean, are you homeschooling or is, is your wife doing that? Uh, yes, she is. Yeah. Well, with that many kids, it's hard to, it's both hard to, uh, support all of them with one person, but it's also hard for both people to work. And so my wife hasn't worked for a couple of years. And so, 00:19:09.560 --> 00:19:37.420 She's got like the whole school thing like completely under control, which is nice because I can come down here, do my job. And then at the end of the day, it's kind of, it's all wrapped up. I can't imagine the colleagues that I have that we all probably have where two parents working, you got a rock, paper, scissors. Who's got, who gets to watch the kids and who gets to do their conference calls. That's exactly what happens. It's like, look at your schedules. Like what time? Who's got this? Do you have meetings today? 00:19:38.780 --> 00:19:40.720 My wife can go upstairs 00:19:41.790 --> 00:19:42.880 and she just closes the door 00:19:44.130 --> 00:19:45.100 but I'm downstairs 00:19:45.640 --> 00:19:47.280 with the kids so it's like every 00:19:47.760 --> 00:19:49.380 three minutes it's something 00:19:50.480 --> 00:19:53.280 One of my buddies at work has four kids 00:19:54.020 --> 00:19:55.420 and they both work 00:19:55.600 --> 00:19:56.520 and I think they both 00:19:56.680 --> 00:19:58.200 I know he works remotely 00:19:58.230 --> 00:19:59.240 I would assume 00:20:00.340 --> 00:20:01.880 actually I don't know if she can or not 00:20:02.200 --> 00:20:05.300 but he seems pretty 00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:08.760 harried 00:20:08.780 --> 00:20:38.740 I'll say this too and I know you parents the parents amongst us will be the first to be empathetic but how weird must this be for the kids too like I mean this this has got to be can you imagine all of a sudden everything shut down when you're a kid yeah and that was it and you didn't know when you were getting out again you know some of that is a joy but some of that is you want to go ride your bike and see your friends or whatever the fuck you do with my kids all they have like a zoom meeting with their class and that's really what they talk about is just like how's your week going what have you encountered you know how are you getting through it it's very 00:20:40.159 --> 00:21:04.980 My situation is completely flipped from Will. My wife's office is in the basement, so I'm on the main level with the kids. Normally, they are constantly seeking out their mother. I'm closer, so they come to me a lot. It's interesting to listen to them talk. My kids are doing okay. They seem pretty resilient, but other kids are like, hey, I want to go hang out with my friends. I don't want to just sit and talk on a video screen all the time. 00:21:05.040 --> 00:21:35.000 Hey Mark, do your kids have like other neighborhood kids that you've sort of like, okay, you are now part of our one big family and you can play with this set of kids. I mean, are they getting out? A couple. Yeah, not, not many. And a few of them, like they did that at first, a few other families. And then as this went on, they sort of pull the kids back in, but they're, yeah, there are roving gangs of children on bicycles all over our neighborhood. Yeah. That's just crazy. Yeah. That's what ours is. We have one kind of two other families. 00:21:35.080 --> 00:22:05.020 on our immediate block that they've been playing with since day one since the start and it's like all right listen like if none of us have it we're good yeah if one of us gets it both families are gonna be wiped out you know kind of thing but it's like otherwise i don't know what i would do because the kids would be going like today rained all day yeah and uh my my kids are playing a cruel joke on me like literally they knew this was gonna be a joke is i sit right into john's been in my house i sit in this sunroom and i work in there which is where the record 00:22:05.100 --> 00:22:35.020 is. When I was working, I wasn't paying attention. My kids came in, they put the Frozen soundtrack on. Like the record, because we have the record. And neither one of my kids like it anymore. But they did that just to torture me. They literally took my temple of void, the world that was, record out. When I wasn't looking and put this other one on, I'm like, you little sons of bitches. You can raise a hand for that. Well, I'm not a parent, but I'm going to go ahead and hazard a guess that 00:22:35.060 --> 00:23:05.020 will not stop until the end of your days. I was going to say, they're on to you. I was going to say, when the kids all get on the Zoom or whatever to talk to the other classmates about how things are going, are they like, is your teacher as drunk as mine is most of the time? Who's got the drunkest teacher? I did see a great meme. It's like, the future leaders of America are going to be homeschooled by 00:23:05.040 --> 00:23:34.900 day drinkers. Yeah. Or the, or the one where it's like, uh, you know, homeschooling is not going real well. First, first week of school, uh, two kids suspended and a teacher fired for drinking on the job. Um, I, with, with, with regrets guys, COVID related, I have to attend a library board meeting now. So it starts in four minutes. So I at least wanted to come out and say hi and say hi to you, Mark. And it's nice to see that you're well, to say the least. And it's always, 00:23:35.060 --> 00:24:04.640 Nice to see your shiny faces. So I'm off to the meeting. I'm going to take off this shirt and put on a tie. That's my new policy for Zoom meetings is a tie and nothing else. Nice. All right. Well, we will see you Friday. All right. Just stay classy. And then there were six. All right. So Mark, you say you're no immediate neighbors, family, everyone's. 00:24:05.539 --> 00:24:06.120 Everyone's good. 00:24:07.100 --> 00:24:16.840 No, we have a neighbor next door, like two people that are our parent, my wife and I parents age, and they're one of their parents lives with them and he's 90 something. 00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:21.240 It just made me realize that he's going to live through this and the Great Depression. 00:24:21.460 --> 00:24:24.060 There's not a whole lot of people that say they live through both of those things. 00:24:24.480 --> 00:24:25.620 Both Great Depressions, really. 00:24:26.100 --> 00:24:27.880 Well, knock on wood, he's not through it yet. 00:24:28.700 --> 00:24:29.340 Yeah, that's true. 00:24:29.700 --> 00:24:30.260 But no. 00:24:30.560 --> 00:24:31.860 She doesn't get me down or God. 00:24:32.980 --> 00:24:34.000 Put him in a bubble. 00:24:54.580 --> 00:24:55.380 Don Shula. 00:24:56.400 --> 00:24:58.000 Most of the time it's not COVID. 00:24:58.760 --> 00:24:58.860 Yeah. 00:24:59.200 --> 00:24:59.300 Yeah. 00:24:59.680 --> 00:24:59.860 Mm-hmm. 00:25:00.600 --> 00:25:02.220 That's why you don't watch the news right now. 00:25:03.300 --> 00:25:03.600 It's bad. 00:25:03.700 --> 00:25:03.800 Yeah. 00:25:03.880 --> 00:25:33.860 Barb has literally told me stop telling me about these things don't tell me anything about it I don't want to know basically CNN is corona COVID news network that's all they fucking talk about yeah how are their graphics and music have they changed because everything is breaking news yeah that's what I mean every two every two days it's a new graphic new image it's like what are you really concerned about so this is probably kind of an old question but I've been asking that everybody have on the 00:25:34.960 --> 00:26:03.860 How are you doing with supplies? Is it no problems getting anything? Yeah, the closest store to my house is a Costco that is open and well stocked and fully regulated and who can go in and who can't. So yeah, we're... Is that the one in Newington close to Fairwinds? No, it's Richmond Highway. Oh yeah, Route 1. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, my dad said that Costco was all stocked up on toilet paper. I was like, too bad we don't have a Costco account. But... 00:26:03.880 --> 00:26:33.860 I'm hoping it's not a false sense of security. You go there five times and everything's fine. Hey, they had everything I needed. And then you go that sixth time, they're like, we won't have anything. You're fucked. Well, my big concern now is, you know, I was walking around the neighborhood a couple days ago and every freaking time I take a walk, somebody is grilling some steak. And I'm like, you mother, I haven't had, I have not had any beef in over two months. And I'm like, you motherfuckers. And I was like, that's a lie. I know you put some hot beef in your mouth in the last 00:26:34.460 --> 00:27:03.800 Yeah, but I didn't swallow. I did you leave well. I thought you stayed home. But, you know, after this last walk, I came back and I told Barb, said, first thing I do when the world starts spinning again is I am going to go out and get a steak dinner. Is this self-imposed, I guess? Well, you can't get it anywhere. I mean, I had steak tonight. Yeah. Well, I can't get it anywhere. Where do you live? Well, most of the meat is gone. 00:27:03.900 --> 00:27:33.860 in the stores. But my point being is now they are saying that there's a beef shortage. And like, you know, Wendy's is only like serving burgers like every other day or some shit. And meat is going to start becoming scarce. And it's like, fuck. I'm looking right now. There's no beef shortage. He's looking down, by the way. Where's the beef? Oh, it's in Will's pants. But. Hey, Mark, did you participate in 00:27:33.900 --> 00:28:03.860 May 1st, Bandcamp, Buying Frenzy. I did. And that's actually what set this whole thing in motion. Yes, it did. That's right. You're just looking in your pants at your dick, which is the one half, the yin, if you will. And then the yang is the serious part that I made me write to George. And I was like, you know, I really appreciate the Metalhead podcast these days for all these reasons. I went and I got my 00:28:06.920 --> 00:28:32.220 I don't have all the Arctic Sleep albums. Keith's the cool guy. He's on the podcast all the time. So I went and I bought the Arctic Sleep discography. I'm going to send that guy an email. I had had a couple beers and I was like, you know, I'm just going to write him a message. And I wrote an email. He wrote me back. I sent it to George. I was like, hey, George, I haven't seen you in a long time either. What's going on? I just wrote to Keith. He's cool. And then I wrote to Keith. 00:28:32.880 --> 00:29:02.480 Yeah. So we just got to talking. I said, Hey, if you have another award journal, let me know. As a former guest of the show, episode 47, April, 2016. That's like 54 episodes ago. I feel like, uh, you know, like if you win the masters, you get to play in it whenever you want, you know, anybody that's on or a persona and nothing to promote. I'm just a guy. But, uh, I was just, I was feeling sort of grateful for, I've been listening to a lot more music. I've been following, 00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:32.300 into what a lot of you guys have said and the guests too, where instead of listening to new music, you're listening to like the kind of comfort food, food music that you have. So I've been listening to a lot of, uh, Thross and Blot. I sent Joel an email. I was like, Hey man, I've been meaning to email you for a long time. So I was feeling a little silly one day, but just started sending all these emails, emailed George and then here we are. So that's how this happened. Did Joel respond? What's that? Did Joel respond? Yeah. I heard back from him. Yeah. 00:29:35.000 --> 00:30:02.840 He's like, all right, I'm off to like take a hike in the mist. And I was like, that's living the gimmick. Like if you email Joel from Thrasabat, that's exactly what you want him to do when he sends you the email. Fuck yeah, I'm in the forest. If you emailed Ozzy Osbourne, he'd be like, hey, thanks. I'm going to go bite the heads off some bats. I'll see you later. Like you want them to do it. Of course that's what he was doing. It wasn't like, ah, hey, I got to go, you know, I'm going to mow my lawn, you know? Yeah, well, he, you know, he took me to great ponder and walk in the mist. I'll see you. 00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:31.100 He took me to the Great Brunswick Forest area there. And it's not that far. It's like 10, 15 minutes from his house, I think. And we walked through there. Obviously, he showed me the spot where the Great Brunswick Forest album cover was shot. We took a selfie there. But yeah, I get the impression he goes up there a lot. It's just sort of his go hiking and stuff like that. 00:30:31.140 --> 00:30:59.980 So for Joel to be going wandering in the forest makes complete sense. Mentioning Throssenblatt is like inject. Oh, you locked up. Try that again. It's like injecting hot semen into George's mouth. Try it again, Mark. It's weird to tell the joke again. I said that mentioning Throssenblatt is like injecting growth hormone into George's beef. Yeah. Yeah. 00:31:01.140 --> 00:31:31.120 He's used to hearing these things. Now I'm surprised. He's such a good guy or maybe it's just a Canadian thing but he takes all your jokes in stride and does not hold it against me. Does he listen? I don't know but when he's on you do the same thing and he just laughs it off and contributes to it. But I don't know if I mentioned it on the episode the last episode where it was listed as a new release maybe or maybe it wasn't but anyway it will be 00:31:31.160 --> 00:31:31.660 the next one. 00:31:32.760 --> 00:31:38.260 But I was lucky enough in the early beginnings of this new EP Insula. 00:31:39.760 --> 00:31:41.220 He just started sending me shit. 00:31:41.300 --> 00:31:45.080 He's like, hey, do you want to hear like, do you want to wait and hear the finished product? 00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:46.400 Or do you want to hear it as it evolves? 00:31:46.490 --> 00:31:48.640 And I was like, send me what you want. 00:31:49.580 --> 00:31:52.040 And so I heard like really rough demos of each of the songs. 00:31:52.170 --> 00:31:53.720 And I was like, that's cool. 00:31:53.900 --> 00:31:56.200 It's kind of shitty sounding, but I bet this cleans up. 00:31:57.000 --> 00:31:58.780 And by shitty, I just mean production wise. 00:31:58.890 --> 00:31:59.600 The songs were awesome. 00:32:00.780 --> 00:32:27.980 And then I got like a slightly more cleaned up version. I'm like, all right, I see it coming together. And then he's like, I'm sending them off to SIG for mastering. And I was like, all right. And like a day later, the dude had mastered this shit and he sent it back. And I was like, oh, the clouds parted. And I was like, holy crap. It is like night and day. I don't know what cheeks parted. My cheeks parted. And yeah, a lot of double entendres going on right now. 00:32:29.420 --> 00:32:59.080 But yeah, whatever Sig does is magic. Because while it was cool before, it became significantly louder, brighter, and more punchy after he mastered it. So kudos to Sig and kudos to Joel for putting together such an amazing EP, timely in its lyrics and inspiring as well. Yeah, it is pretty cool. Hey, Mark, I think what you were describing, all these emails, 00:32:59.420 --> 00:33:29.300 and all this album buying and drinking is you drunk camped. And that's, I've been joking with George about that, about getting drunk and just going drunk camping because it's a spiral. You go fast down that hole. Cause I know there's times we've all done it. Like all of a sudden there's like six or seven albums out of nowhere, just show up in the feed. I'm like, what the hell are they doing right now? Six or seven albums. That's a Tuesday. If I'm drunk camp, drunk camping, it's like 20. I wish there was timestamps. 00:33:29.420 --> 00:33:59.200 the one I bought because I can see like, oh, like there's definitely ones as soon as I got up and started buying stuff in the morning. And then like, I'm laying, I'm laying like half, half asleep drunk on the couch and like, and I just bought like six or seven more things. I'm like, yeah, I'm buying that. I'm buying that. I'm buying that. I'm buying that. Fuck it. Yeah. I posted it on the, uh, the Facebook page, but the, the Metalheads podcast crew combined, and this is a low number now because I know there were more afterwards, but the, the number posted to Facebook, 00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:29.159 was on the day where Facebook was giving all proceeds to the bands, our crew bought over 111 releases. How fucked up is that? And awesome at the same time. I mean, I bought most of mine sober. I had a huge list and then it was like looking at the price, like, okay, I got to pull a couple of these out of here. That was me sober. And then after a few beers later on, I was like, okay, so I had this one I dropped. 00:34:31.540 --> 00:34:59.160 Did anyone buy something they already had? No. Like a physical format thing. Oh yeah, yeah. I mean, I bought all kinds of stuff that I already literally had in Flack and I was like, yeah, but. No, no, like I literally bought like an extra, I didn't know, for some reason I thought I didn't think I had the high on fire Snakes for the Divine. I have it. It's sitting right in the record shelf that sits two feet from me every day. 00:34:59.420 --> 00:35:03.100 I forgot that I had it and I bought another one so now I have two so if anyone wants one let me know 00:35:03.580 --> 00:35:10.700 um I don't know if I have that one or not I might that was back when I bought vinyl so I might have it 00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:18.820 yeah I want to let's talk about that and this is this is your show but I you said that a couple times but I want you stopped buying vinyl is that a 00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:27.779 financial fiduciary decision or what uh it's twofold first of all uh I was in full-on vinyl addict mode 00:35:27.800 --> 00:35:56.900 up until October of 2017, at which point I got laid off, which meant no more buying vinyl for a while. And I was out of work for like five months. So there was no more buying of much of anything. And then when I came back, I was like, it was just kind of hard to justify. But the other thing is space. I already have like over 1,500. 00:36:00.900 --> 00:36:27.760 So the other person here was not too pleased with that. And it's like, stop. You basically have a whole room in your house dedicated to it. Yes. Most people have a dining room, like a dedicated dining room. I have a final room. So I'm just out of space. I can't, I just, you know, I mean, it's like when. In the Marine Corps, we used to say vertical envelopment. That's basically when you get in a helicopter and you go vertical and you go. Well, you know, I could 00:36:28.520 --> 00:36:29.660 I can stack these things, 00:36:29.820 --> 00:36:30.900 but that was frowned upon. 00:36:32.740 --> 00:36:41.060 So I have like eight to 10 Ikea shells filled with all this stuff and that's full. 00:36:41.060 --> 00:36:42.640 And there's like stuff stacked up on top. 00:36:42.740 --> 00:36:44.580 So there's just no more room. 00:36:48.680 --> 00:36:49.480 And yeah, 00:36:49.680 --> 00:36:51.220 so it was frowned upon to get any more. 00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:52.000 So I just said, 00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:52.240 you know, 00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:53.120 all right. 00:36:53.460 --> 00:36:53.560 No, 00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:53.960 George, 00:36:54.100 --> 00:36:56.820 does anyone else want this high on fire snakes on the divine that I have? 00:36:57.140 --> 00:36:57.460 Okay. 00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:25.960 You really want it? I'll send it to you. I don't have it on that. So, cool. Off you go. Yeah, yeah. As soon as I buy another thing on vinyl and I have the shipping cardboard, I'll slip this in and send it to you. I've actually been considering, like, selling off all my CDs and, like, a chunk of the vinyl just to get space back and, you know, a retirement fund. 00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:57.500 You should. It's a pain in the ass. That is why I haven't done it, is because I'm like all the mailers that I would have to get. I mean, I'm literally half a mile from the post office, but just the whole putting it in and having that stuff and, you know, yeah, just I'm too lazy. Mark, do you have a record player? I don't. I don't. I buy like 00:37:57.520 --> 00:38:25.740 maybe one or two records a year. Something I really, really love. Or if I go to a show at Atlas, I have two mold records. I can just buy them for the artwork and stuff, but I might have 20 records. Oh, that reminds me. You were the person who gave me the shout-out because Temple of Void gave me and Atlas a shout-out. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. I never read those. I guess I should. 00:38:27.520 --> 00:38:57.500 from like Camas and you know like in Farabro and and like Ashen Horde friends and stuff I still and yeah the I still pick up that stuff but do you a vinyl is always to get your most favorite records you know and then not buy everything else well see that was my problem it was just like yeah yeah yeah okay yeah that kind of like that band yeah okay right let's get that 00:38:59.019 --> 00:39:03.180 I mentioned this in our Facebook feed the other day. I was reading 00:39:05.200 --> 00:39:06.680 the Voracious 3 00:39:09.020 --> 00:39:09.580 trade. 00:39:11.760 --> 00:39:15.020 I always like to check out. Which is Markisan's comic book by the way. 00:39:15.220 --> 00:39:16.800 Yes. Which is awesome. 00:39:17.300 --> 00:39:18.560 Yes. Thank you. 00:39:20.460 --> 00:39:24.700 I always like the end where there's the recipes and stuff. 00:39:25.460 --> 00:39:55.280 I just, but I was like, I was getting ready to put it down when I got there because it was dinner time. And, but I just happened to glance down and go, that guy looks like Tom from All Father. And I was like, wait, it is Tom from All Father. And so I started reading it and I was like, hold on for the dinner. I'm reading it. And then, and I get to the bottom and it's like to read, to find out more about Tom and All Father, check out episode 84 of the Metalhead Podcast. We're in a comic book. I had to give the shout out there. 00:39:55.460 --> 00:40:24.580 But don't tell anybody. You didn't tell us, did you? I did. I did. Maybe I just had... There's beers flying. There's a lot of stuff flying. I was all excited. I just mentioned that I'm about to sign a deal for another comic book. Tell us about that. I don't want to say it yet until I get the deal in place. Talk about the actual comic book. It's a comic book. It's another comic book. 00:40:24.740 --> 00:40:54.140 It's a fantasy comic. You're cutting out. I think you said fantasy condom. Start again with fantasy comic book. I don't know why I'm cutting out. It's so weird. It's bad. It's bad, man. Maybe you should unplug it and plug it back in again. I don't know. The cable? I try. Something's going on. 00:40:56.740 --> 00:41:24.700 Tracy's here too. She might be. She might be. So I'm going to finish. I love, I love finishing a sentence. She may be, uh, I don't know. It's no, I can't do it. My glitch and still George. Oh yeah. Big time. Yeah. That's weird. We're playing a game where we're finishing your sentence. Cause none of that's not glitching on my screen at all. Yeah. And you normally don't. So I don't know. Uh, maybe everybody in your 00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:25.460 like online. 00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:28.080 I don't know, man. 00:41:28.900 --> 00:41:29.240 Try again. 00:41:30.020 --> 00:41:30.900 It's a fantasy comic book. 00:41:32.340 --> 00:41:34.180 Yeah, it's a sci-fi fantasy comic. 00:41:36.440 --> 00:41:39.140 And it's going to be six or seven issues long. 00:41:39.660 --> 00:41:42.220 And so, you know, we pitched it to a couple of publishers. 00:41:42.380 --> 00:41:45.140 I actually didn't pitch to that many publishers because of the pandemic. 00:41:46.060 --> 00:41:48.720 But we got a good response from the ones we did pitch to. 00:41:49.260 --> 00:41:51.140 So it'll be just one series, not multiple. 00:41:52.300 --> 00:41:53.220 Yeah, it's just going to be one. 00:41:53.260 --> 00:42:21.200 I mean, I probably could continue it after that or extend it. It just depends on how well it does. So two questions. Are you going to use the same colorist and illustrator? And are you going to throw in some heavy metal Easter eggs in there anywhere? Oh, there's a lot of heavy metal Easter eggs in it. So there's a map in it because it's a fantasy world and all of the places are named after metal bands. Nice. That's funny. Yes. 00:42:23.260 --> 00:42:53.200 And there's an Atlas Tavern in it too, by the way. Nice! Oh, dude! Yeah, I'll send you guys some of the artwork and stuff and show it to you offline. I just don't want to talk about it on here yet. Sure, of course. When I was a young lad, I was very much, before I found Heavy Metal, I was very much into Dungeons & Dragons. And my dad had a giant, like, drafting board, and so I'd take, like, giant rolls of graph paper and just map shit for Dungeons & Dragons. 00:42:53.240 --> 00:42:55.140 and dragons. And I, 00:42:56.220 --> 00:42:58.080 this one time I created a whole world map. 00:42:58.170 --> 00:42:58.440 I mean, 00:42:58.500 --> 00:43:05.300 it's like probably like four feet long by like three feet high and just like created a whole world. 00:43:05.490 --> 00:43:05.600 And, 00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:06.640 but I was, 00:43:06.780 --> 00:43:08.940 I was actually kind of metal at this point. 00:43:09.560 --> 00:43:11.320 And so I named like continents. 00:43:11.530 --> 00:43:13.080 It was like fucking, 00:43:13.430 --> 00:43:13.820 you know, 00:43:14.120 --> 00:43:15.460 motley crew town. 00:43:16.140 --> 00:43:17.000 And this is eighties, 00:43:17.180 --> 00:43:17.380 you know, 00:43:17.540 --> 00:43:18.800 so it was not as heavy, 00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:21.460 but like everything was named after bands, 00:43:21.700 --> 00:43:23.040 like all these towns and continents. 00:43:23.140 --> 00:43:50.680 and stuff. Well, there's a lot of good names. Was there like Wingerland? No, no, nothing like that. Nothing like that. Ratistan? No, there was a Rat Town. It was like Rat Town or something. Twisted Sister Stan? Twisted Sister stuff, yeah. Stuff like that. It was pre-Metallica. That was young. Cinderellaville? And I forgot all about it. And apparently my younger brother came into possession of this thing. 00:43:51.580 --> 00:43:53.740 And his wife found it. 00:43:54.140 --> 00:43:55.620 And thought it was the coolest thing ever. 00:43:55.800 --> 00:43:59.740 And it is now in this giant gilded frame in their house. 00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:00.700 Oh, really? 00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:01.960 And they were like, look at this. 00:44:01.980 --> 00:44:04.520 And I was like, okay, first of all, you're fucking idiots. 00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:06.940 Because that is the stupidest thing ever. 00:44:07.180 --> 00:44:08.520 But that is also super cool. 00:44:12.660 --> 00:44:13.880 I can hear my wife talk. 00:44:14.040 --> 00:44:16.000 I think she's using the same thing. 00:44:16.180 --> 00:44:16.820 That's probably what's. 00:44:17.640 --> 00:44:20.420 Plus, I don't think Zoom is as good as Skype, to be honest. 00:44:20.760 --> 00:44:49.220 Just because the Chinese are listening. But yeah, in answer to your previous question, well, it's the same team from Voracious. I do have other comics in development, but that's the one that we're working on next. So yeah, I'm looking forward to it. And we're really close to signing the contract. So it'll probably be announced, I don't know, next month or so. Awesome. Good luck with that. I'll give you guys the preview. Sweet. Oh, by the way, I thought of you the other day, Marcus, because I gave my son a mohawk. 00:44:50.760 --> 00:45:19.920 I'm going crazy because it's like growing in and I don't want to just shave it myself but I think I'm going to have to the sides you know it's not bad I've been shaving myself my head for years yeah or just have Tracy do it she doesn't want to do it so oh man this is my second wife haircut yeah I'm on my second I thought about just shaving the whole thing off but I like the mohawk so yeah Barb does mine all the time but 00:45:21.220 --> 00:45:50.700 Stuff's starting to loosen up here. The comic shop's going to open. I don't know. We're not getting many cases now. It's like one a day. We'll see how it goes. The mall is supposed to be opening. That's a crazy test. I'm not going to the mall. I don't care what they open up. I'm not going there for at least a month until I see how many people die. I can't remember the last time I've been in a mall normally. What the fuck do you need to go to a mall for? I don't know. It's like an alien concert. 00:45:50.760 --> 00:46:20.200 I guess I don't go clothes shopping. Only place I have been, only places I have been in at least a month, month and a half is the corner store to grab wine and beer and the flying dog to pick up kegs and to drive Barb to the grocery store, but I don't go in. So. Hey, wait, I got a question before I forget for Mark. Where did the nickname the franchise come from? It was my Twitter handle. I mean, it's like a childhood. 00:46:20.740 --> 00:46:21.160 Nickname. 00:46:22.700 --> 00:46:24.880 Pronounce your real last name. 00:46:25.560 --> 00:46:25.640 Yeah. 00:46:26.300 --> 00:46:27.320 But it was my Twitter handle. 00:46:29.520 --> 00:46:32.420 And that's how I started interacting with the show. 00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:34.880 I learned about it from reading Will's Twitter. 00:46:35.160 --> 00:46:35.580 And then I said, 00:46:35.640 --> 00:46:39.900 I'm going to make a playlist of all the stuff that they talked about so that I can listen to it. 00:46:39.900 --> 00:46:40.180 And I said, 00:46:40.200 --> 00:46:40.320 well, 00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:42.400 I should probably just tweet it to them. 00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:43.640 And that was, 00:46:43.720 --> 00:46:44.700 I actually looked this up. 00:46:44.740 --> 00:46:46.480 It was in the middle of July, 00:46:47.320 --> 00:46:47.720 2015. 00:46:50.120 --> 00:47:19.960 made a playlist of the Metalheads episode, which I don't do anymore, so I'm sorry. I know. John was just like... I was just poor kids, man. What do you want me to do? Do your fucking job, man. Yeah, you got it. Do your job. Were you taking it from the releases that we were... Yeah, I listened to the episode and I said, okay, here are the new releases. Here's our top five lists. And so it made an actually pretty cool Spotify playlist where it's like, all right, I want to remember what they talked about. I want to remember, 00:47:20.120 --> 00:47:24.400 to go listen to it because that was part of the story but i've always liked 00:47:25.720 --> 00:47:29.620 metal i just i didn't have the right guidance plus i grew up in uh northeastern 00:47:29.820 --> 00:47:34.200 pennsylvania in the turn of the century which means i was really into new metal which 00:47:34.480 --> 00:47:38.640 you know i didn't have the right guidance like i said matt's smiling though he knows where you're at 00:47:39.900 --> 00:47:44.620 but then when i when i when i found these guys i was like all right this is it was the right time in the 00:47:44.700 --> 00:47:48.699 right place this is exactly what i was looking for the right kind of music that i needed 00:47:49.200 --> 00:48:18.220 The right influence to like really find out what's being made in metal right now, what's new. And so I would listen and say, I have to remember all this stuff. And so I would make this big long playlist. It must be a 24 hour playlist because back then George was listing like 75. That's what I was going to say is like, I know why you stopped is because George was listing like 400 fucking albums A through Z. I never did more than like 30. And that was, and that was rare. That's just a flat out lie. 00:48:18.700 --> 00:48:48.680 The poor franchise has got to put all that together. He's got four kids. I used to really pride myself on when like one of you guys would mutter through the name of some obscure band and be like, I didn't really catch that, but I have to find it. So I would Google what it sounded like and then get the album name and then I'd find it somewhere. I'd be like, Oh my God, I can't believe I found Riffremer. Oh, well, it's a good thing that you stopped before Matt joined the podcast because he literally just makes the name 00:48:49.720 --> 00:48:50.260 I do. 00:48:52.600 --> 00:48:53.320 I could have caught him. 00:48:53.370 --> 00:48:53.460 Yeah. 00:48:53.600 --> 00:48:53.680 Like, 00:48:53.760 --> 00:48:53.860 Hey, 00:48:53.940 --> 00:48:54.760 this one wasn't real, 00:48:54.950 --> 00:48:56.060 but it's bullshit. 00:48:56.380 --> 00:48:57.600 Rectal cucumber twitch. 00:48:57.760 --> 00:48:58.660 It's a name. 00:48:58.690 --> 00:49:00.600 It's dryer sheets in Iceland. 00:49:01.080 --> 00:49:01.720 The fuck. 00:49:04.200 --> 00:49:04.500 Yeah. 00:49:05.720 --> 00:49:06.960 But I enjoyed those. 00:49:07.300 --> 00:49:08.560 So thank you for doing that. 00:49:08.660 --> 00:49:09.300 I'll get back to it. 00:49:09.380 --> 00:49:09.720 I'm sorry. 00:49:09.860 --> 00:49:10.140 That was, 00:49:10.230 --> 00:49:12.060 I really has been derelict in my, 00:49:12.270 --> 00:49:12.820 in my duty, 00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:14.500 which is why I sent you that email. 00:49:14.600 --> 00:49:14.660 Yeah. 00:49:14.780 --> 00:49:15.700 It's quarantine, 00:49:15.940 --> 00:49:16.120 man. 00:49:16.220 --> 00:49:18.620 It's time to go back and just hit all the episodes. 00:49:18.680 --> 00:49:22.560 again and redo them. Maybe we make it easier for Mark and we like 00:49:23.460 --> 00:49:27.980 give him like our top three from every episode so he doesn't have to do like 152 albums. 00:49:27.980 --> 00:49:30.880 You know, we know you. We can email you the list. 00:49:31.380 --> 00:49:33.480 That's true. Or is that not part of the fun? 00:49:33.880 --> 00:49:36.560 I used to like, yeah, hit the rewind on my podcast thing. 00:49:36.570 --> 00:49:37.400 Like, what was that? Okay. 00:49:37.550 --> 00:49:38.600 He likes to decipher. 00:49:41.100 --> 00:49:42.640 Maybe like if we're announcing them, I'm like, 00:49:42.980 --> 00:49:46.740 and Mark, that is spelled V-F-Y. 00:49:47.160 --> 00:49:47.500 It's finished. 00:49:50.260 --> 00:49:54.040 There's a weird thing I don't see on my keyboard, so hopefully you can find that symbol. 00:49:59.400 --> 00:50:00.680 I appreciate you guys. 00:50:02.340 --> 00:50:17.120 I didn't want to come on just to kiss some ass, but it's been, you know, I think a lot of people, I saw a headline the other day that said people are getting more spiritual, which isn't exactly what we're talking about here, but you start to appreciate things that matter to you, and that's 00:50:18.299 --> 00:50:47.100 I've listened to Desolation by Chemist. I listen to Hunted by Chemist every day. That's like a ritual I have. I listen to that song. Not the album. I do listen to the album a lot. But I listen to that song every day. That song's my favorite. It's amazing. Especially the end. I love the end part. You just appreciate it more and more at a time like this. And so that's why I just started flinging emails. I'm going to tell Keith how I feel. I'm going to tell Joel how I feel. I'm going to reach out to 00:50:47.140 --> 00:51:16.420 Sure, tell him what's going on. So I found a lot of cool music because of you guys. I've been to, I've seen Iron Maiden. I've seen Slayer. I've seen Two Mold twice. I saw Morbid Angel and Immolation with Will. Like just a lot of things that wouldn't have happened if I didn't find the show. I didn't find the show. So I'll cheers to that. I'll drink. You're just supposed to drink. That's what that means. I'm out. 00:51:18.480 --> 00:51:45.240 That's cool. You're like mentors to the franchise. Yeah. Yeah. You said there were some things you wanted to talk about outside of what we normally do in the war journal. Wait, wait. I want to say something. Is that way in the corner? Is that a puzzle box for South of Heaven behind you, Mark? I see that. No. No, no. What is that? Oh, this is, but speaking of Costco, they sell Lost Rhinos face plant by the case. 00:51:47.140 --> 00:51:48.960 I totally see what you're talking about. 00:51:49.060 --> 00:51:49.420 Will though. 00:51:52.720 --> 00:51:54.000 Will saw red and black. 00:51:54.540 --> 00:51:54.880 I know. 00:51:55.440 --> 00:51:57.120 I guess it was upside down. 00:51:57.160 --> 00:51:59.100 I was like, it looked like they have thousands. 00:51:59.180 --> 00:52:00.520 Do they have Slayer Jigsaw puzzles? 00:52:00.740 --> 00:52:01.080 They do. 00:52:01.220 --> 00:52:03.060 I mean, somebody, one of you guys told me about it. 00:52:03.080 --> 00:52:03.520 It's like this. 00:52:06.740 --> 00:52:08.460 Well, that was a big swing and a miss. 00:52:13.540 --> 00:52:15.020 Rain and blood, 500 pieces. 00:52:21.180 --> 00:52:44.820 Is there a puzzle in that thing? Or is that just a coaster? Yeah, I do have the rain and blood puzzle. And the wife did agree to do it with me. So I'm kind of... That's right. Yeah, Marcus, it was you who sent out the link. Yeah. I love puzzles. Go ahead, Mark. I was thinking about Slayer. I saw Slayer at the film with Will. 00:52:45.140 --> 00:53:14.020 and George and John. That was cool. An experience I wouldn't have otherwise had, potentially, had it not been for... I can't wait until your kids get older and then you can go out more often. Yeah, believe me. Me too. But then I have to counsel them on... They go to Catholic school. They have to have that part and then also understand what Slayer is all about. I think the dichotomy of that whole thing is a whole discussion. 00:53:15.120 --> 00:53:44.980 I'm glad they're young enough that I don't have to be like, so we go to mass on Sunday and like we go to Catholic school, but like you have all this satanic shit all around. What's that? You know, how does that together? Two worlds colliding together. And that's, that's great, Mark. But how do they feel about the black album? What do you mean? They don't know yet. You have an eight to six year old. I know. Well, they should know they're old enough. This is what a two year old should know. 00:53:47.020 --> 00:54:14.720 When I would explain Metalheads to people, like, oh, what do you listen to? Or where do you find this music? On this podcast, there's always this segment that was called, like, the Black Album digression. You'd be having a podcast, having a discussion, like, all right, everybody, we're going to stop and talk about the Black Album for this episode, for this one. And I don't know, I think it matters how old you are. And, like, the Black Album was cool, because I was too young to know that it sucked when it came out. And so... It doesn't suck. 00:54:14.780 --> 00:54:44.340 It's good. It's good. It's good. It's good. I was like, do you still think it's cool? I don't know. That was the first video I saw on MTV was interesting. It had that place where it was like, that was how you, I learned about Metallica. Cause I was too young to know about the albums before that. And so I'm not going to revise that, but I love hearing your perspective where it's like, no, I was there when it happened and I hated it. I'm like, right. Well, that's fair. Yeah. If I, if I had heard those other albums first and then that one, 00:54:44.780 --> 00:55:13.580 understand, but when you're 14 and load comes out and you're like, okay, well, this is, you know, this is what cool music is, regardless of the history of the talent. Well, it has to have, you have to give it a little bit of respect because it was the gateway drug for a lot of people into more extreme metal. Yeah. Apparently it turned, it turned Matt into new metal. I mean, what the fuck? Well, some of those bands that are classified new metal are really good. Like I love Deftones. I love that. I don't think Deftones is new metal though. 00:55:13.860 --> 00:55:43.820 But they were categorized that when they first came out. Really? Like Adrenaline and My Own Summer? Yeah. Like New Metal to me is like Korn and Limp Bizkit. Yeah. And I know they toured a lot with Korn, so they kind of got lumped into that. Disturbed. But I like Disturbed mostly. I mean, I feel like the Deftones are really held up. And while their music has evolved, I still like it. You know? I feel like Adrenaline and 00:55:44.720 --> 00:56:13.340 And my own summer. Around the fur. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry. I've never liked Deftones. I don't know why. Absolute passionately hate them always. There's a lot of metal on that. The room that I sit in has all the family archive photo albums and bins of things. So I was going through ticket stubs and I definitely went to see God Smack and Stained like twice. Oh, yeah. 25 years ago. 00:56:14.599 --> 00:56:43.800 You're speaking Matt's language. Yeah. I was from Northeastern Pennsylvania. So I saw them a bunch of times. Mark, where'd you grow up? It's great in Pennsylvania. Oh, okay. Yeah. I was, I was, I grew up just north of Philadelphia. Right. Okay. Between Doylestown and Quaker Town. Yeah, sure. So yeah, lots of new metal in that part of Pennsylvania in 1999, I promise. Oh, I'm sure. But that was the thing. There wasn't enough people that actually liked really good metal. It was just the track. 00:56:43.860 --> 00:57:13.820 people who are like we like metal but like this really shitty kind with record scratches in it and you know who i think is from scranton or maybe it's wilkes barrow is albert from um from decibel oh really yeah he's from one of the two yeah close enough it is so weird to hear you guys saying that and i grew up in the bay area which has been just like a music mecca for so many different genres for so long it's just strange i know Markisan you talked about 00:57:13.840 --> 00:57:43.800 Syracuse and the hardcore scene and everything and we all come from a certain thing and so when I hear you guys like yeah it was really cool to hear all these new metal bands I'm like uh thrash metal death metal well every every cool psychedelic 60s band which I'm uh I'm most of the way through murder in the front row now it's really good I like it if you haven't seen it's on uh I think I had to buy it but it's on Amazon yeah Jay was talking about that yeah I'm 00:57:43.840 --> 00:58:13.800 That's what's cool about the podcast though, John, is that everybody kind of comes from a little bit different area and you were exposed to something a little bit different than everybody else. And then, but we're all, we've all come together and now. I found our way. Like crosses over. And then, then there's Matt who's the, you know, an outlier with all this weird, like adult contemporary love. Sometimes I, sometimes I need to take the edge off and I go to my AC and that's what it is. Well, you know, I made, I made a note tonight that I need to put some Annie Lennox 00:58:13.840 --> 00:58:14.440 on my phone. 00:58:15.660 --> 00:58:16.580 He's an awesome singer. 00:58:17.510 --> 00:58:18.360 I don't care what anybody says. 00:58:21.380 --> 00:58:22.480 Hey, wait, wait, Mark. 00:58:22.590 --> 00:58:23.720 I got to ask you a serious question. 00:58:23.920 --> 00:58:25.760 Are you a Philadelphia sports fan? 00:58:27.320 --> 00:58:29.420 Yes, but that's all you need to say. 00:58:30.820 --> 00:58:32.100 Don't say anything else. 00:58:32.840 --> 00:58:35.100 But it's hard coming from where I come. 00:58:35.180 --> 00:58:36.360 Pennsylvania is a rectangle. 00:58:36.780 --> 00:58:39.540 You've got your Philadelphia, your Pittsburgh. 00:58:40.200 --> 00:58:41.080 So you're close to New York. 00:58:41.940 --> 00:58:42.120 Yeah. 00:58:42.360 --> 00:59:10.720 So I study demographics for a living. I work for a real estate company, so understanding demographics in people. And so it's Irish and Italian plus redneck plus New York, New Jersey, plus that pencil-tucky stuff. All those people meet in these mountains and then breed these really weird people. And so you get people that are Steelers fans just because they're racists. We associate with Pittsburgh because it's whiter. And we like rapists. 00:59:10.760 --> 00:59:40.580 Even though it's twice as far away as it is from Philadelphia, Philadelphia is like the city slicker team. And so we're Steelers is the lunch pail bullshit. But yes, Philadelphia. So what's the other team then? Pittsburgh? Yeah, that's what I mean. People from Scranton like the Steelers because it's, you know, the lunch pail. I will be the first one to admit that not admit it's nothing to admit, but I went to Pitt for grad school. So I did fall in love with the city. So I do. I do like the Steelers, although not as much. 00:59:40.780 --> 00:59:42.840 because I think they're just falling apart in piles of shit. 00:59:45.459 --> 00:59:47.820 But I fucking hate the Penguins. 00:59:48.190 --> 00:59:49.720 Like fucking hate the Penguins. 00:59:50.240 --> 00:59:52.120 As any sane person does. 00:59:52.680 --> 00:59:52.920 Yeah. 00:59:53.440 --> 00:59:56.380 And the Pirates, like, I don't mind the Pirates, but they suck. 00:59:56.390 --> 00:59:57.360 So, like, they'll... 00:59:58.160 --> 00:59:59.360 Yeah, the Pirates are cool. 00:59:59.410 --> 01:00:01.240 They have a really nice stadium, but they suck. 01:00:01.270 --> 01:00:02.600 Best stadium in baseball, by far. 01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:03.200 No. 01:00:03.840 --> 01:00:04.040 No. 01:00:04.040 --> 01:00:04.100 No. 01:00:04.100 --> 01:00:04.820 No. 01:00:05.620 --> 01:00:05.800 No. 01:00:07.060 --> 01:00:07.420 No. 01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:07.940 No. 01:00:08.040 --> 01:00:08.360 What's better? 01:00:09.039 --> 01:00:09.900 You're the host of this. 01:00:10.040 --> 01:00:38.260 Can you mute his mic? No. Second best. Giants playing the best stadium. Candlestick or whatever is not. That candlestick has been gone for 20 years. Okay. Well, that's the only one I know. Well, that's your problem. So what are they in now? Balco Stadium. No, not Balco Stadium. All's in my mouth stadium. That's 10 years gone, Will. I don't know. They keep changing the name all the time. It was PNC, or not PNC, it was AT&T for a while. 01:00:40.020 --> 01:01:09.940 It's where the Giants play is in McCovey Cove. That's all you need to know. Oh, hey, McCovey. Actually, the designer of that stadium is the same designer of the Pittsburgh stadium. Oh, nice. So that's why they're the two best stadiums. You know, I had two Willie McCovey rookie cards. Oh, man. I actually saw him play. At the end of his career. Holy shit. Yeah, that's fucking old. But hey, Will, that's what you see Babe Ruth too? No, I did not see him. 01:01:10.840 --> 01:01:39.580 But that's what five or six years will do. Seriously. I saw him at the end of his career. I saw Kargyz Tromsky's last game in Detroit. That would have been awesome. Tromsky, the Yaz. The Yaz. It was my all-time favorite baseball player. It's awesome. Which is why I'm a Red Sox fan, even though I grew up in Michigan. You're just like all those Boston teams. You're all like, I'm a total Patriots fan. Well, that was just grandfathered. That was all because I was a Red Sox fan, because my favorite player was Tromsky. 01:01:40.040 --> 01:01:40.700 Yeah, exactly. 01:01:40.700 --> 01:01:40.720 Yeah, exactly. 01:01:41.040 --> 01:01:42.780 You think Gronk back in Tampa? 01:01:42.920 --> 01:01:45.120 Dude, dude, fucking Brady and Gronk back together. 01:01:45.360 --> 01:01:46.220 I want to see what happens. 01:01:46.540 --> 01:01:47.860 I might be a Bucs fan. 01:01:48.320 --> 01:01:50.620 I don't think it's going to be on you, poor George. 01:01:50.900 --> 01:01:51.900 I think it's just going to be football. 01:01:52.819 --> 01:01:53.920 Oh, all right. 01:01:54.120 --> 01:01:54.920 Well, we'll see. 01:01:55.960 --> 01:01:58.460 I'm not a big baseball fan, but I like going to the stadiums. 01:01:58.520 --> 01:02:00.100 My brother's a huge baseball fan. 01:02:00.200 --> 01:02:00.920 He's a Mets fan. 01:02:01.300 --> 01:02:02.240 I love baseball fan. 01:02:02.240 --> 01:02:02.920 Sorry to hear that. 01:02:03.120 --> 01:02:03.660 Jesus Christ. 01:02:04.180 --> 01:02:05.400 I love Wrigley Field, though. 01:02:06.280 --> 01:02:06.520 Oh, yeah. 01:02:06.720 --> 01:02:09.020 I used to go there all the time when I lived in Chicago. 01:02:09.020 --> 01:02:37.080 I've been wanting to do a tour of like all the stadiums. Me and another guy I know, he's far more than me. But, you know, I've been to old Tiger Stadium, have not been a new Tiger Stadium, been to Nat Stadium, been to Camden Yard for the Orioles, been to Mariners Stadium in Seattle. The new one. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Like with a safe co. I can't remember. I was at San Diego. I can't remember. 01:02:38.500 --> 01:03:07.660 Since we're talking about baseball, and to try and keep this slightly metal, because we've been on some tangents on this episode. Yeah, who cares? But you can, there's a website, like on MLB, there's a way you can dig down deep in the MLB website, and you can actually see the walk-up music for each of the players. I remember doing some research after I heard Chemists Above the Water for a walk-up song for Ryan Madsen. 01:03:08.000 --> 01:03:37.980 who used to be on the Phillies, who was on the Nationals. But anyway, you can literally look up all the walk-up songs. And most of them are sort of like, if they're at all metal, they're like ACDC, some black album bullshit. Or some kind of Disturb, new metal, the safe contemporary stuff. But I'm waiting for somebody to just walk up to a morbid angel song. I almost want my son just to be a professional ball player, just so he wants to be. 01:03:38.020 --> 01:04:07.240 have an amazing walk-up song. That'd be great. I think it would be a really good top five. What five metal songs would you want to walk into if you were a professional baseball player? If we ever have an opening day this season, that's what we should do. Make them suffer. Make them suffer. Can you imagine? Is that a Dark Throne song I hear playing? No, no. It'll be Napalm Death. I'm walking out and they're just like, 01:04:09.420 --> 01:04:11.220 I'm sure you've heard but 01:04:13.980 --> 01:04:16.780 literally the guy Ryan Madsen on the Nats 01:04:16.960 --> 01:04:20.900 one of the relievers would do above the water and I was at the stadium 01:04:20.990 --> 01:04:22.980 one time and Phil from Chemist 01:04:23.490 --> 01:04:25.480 he was in here in DC and he was at the stadium 01:04:26.080 --> 01:04:27.700 and he lost his shit because 01:04:28.050 --> 01:04:29.720 he had his own song 01:04:30.370 --> 01:04:31.980 being played in a major league baseball 01:04:32.280 --> 01:04:33.940 stadium when Ryan Madsen 01:04:34.740 --> 01:04:36.200 I remember reading about 01:04:36.200 --> 01:05:06.160 that. I'm sure they posted it on their Twitter or something like that. It was really cool. Metal fans everywhere. I know. In fact, when I was at the stadium, I tweeted about it. I was like, I couldn't fucking believe it. I want to talk about Tim and Samar. If you like me, you better hurry up and get some because I don't know if you heard about the Asian murder hornets. All the bees. Well, bees are already decreasing in population. So that sucks about the murder hornets. 01:05:06.200 --> 01:05:11.460 I was like murder hornets what is this I got to google this and I read an article 01:05:12.100 --> 01:05:15.860 google it on band camp I'm sure somebody's got a band name by that oh yeah some Japanese band 01:05:16.600 --> 01:05:24.900 and the the real name is like Asian giant hornet uh and these fuckers are big I saw a chart it was like of 01:05:25.020 --> 01:05:29.420 all the different like bees and like bumblebee you know bumblebee is a pretty decent substantial thing 01:05:29.700 --> 01:05:34.700 it's like two and a half bumblebees damn I was like oh my gosh if I see one of these I'm just gonna fall 01:05:34.700 --> 01:06:04.200 down, cry, and like hope not to die. Because it's fucking huge. They said if you get stung multiple times, you could easily. Yeah, it's got enough venom in it, like a snake, if you get stung multiple times. Yeah. So. They'll just go right through that deep purple shirt like it's fucking hot night through butter. Yeah, but as far as I know, they're like West Coast right now, so maybe Jay. Yeah. Not us, hopefully. No, it's all up in Washington State and like Vancouver area. Yeah. 01:06:04.720 --> 01:06:33.960 So fuck them anyway. Bunch of pretentious hippies. You know, one thing I was thinking about, one thing I do actually like about these war journal COVID-19 things is that we just have like friends on and it's a little bit more relaxing. We don't have any segments per se. Yeah, you don't have to say it's just like kind of like this. I like Marcus Sons. Marcus Sons put one of his background. But no, it doesn't know what to do with my mohawk. 01:06:38.339 --> 01:07:04.560 No, but I was just saying, like, it's fun just having Mark on and, like, you know, obviously friend of the pod, friend of ours, haven't seen him in a while, and it's just good to BS with people. Like, when we have Joel, like, who's a friend of the podcast or Keith or, you know, even the Temple of Void guys, it's like, you know, I know him probably better than, a little bit better than you guys. Yeah, for sure. But it's just fun. Just the chemist guys, like, we all know the chemist guys, like, it's fun. 01:07:04.700 --> 01:07:34.680 Oh, by the way, Mark, you said you want to talk about chemists. I do want to talk about chemists a lot. Especially now that Jay's not here. Fuck that guy. Fuck that guy. I'm right in the ear. But I've found their music in particular to be... I pulled up this tweet because I think it captures them perfectly. And I imagine... I don't know who types their Twitter, but I just listened to their interview with you guys the other day. So it could be any of them, but... 01:07:34.900 --> 01:08:03.240 that, like, if you look at the covers and you kind of listen to the music half-assed, you're like, okay, that's fantasy metal or sci-fi, you know, whatever. It's about dragons and wizards and stuff. But my favorite tweet of all time is, it's from Chemist Doom, and it says, it feels like we have to say this a lot, but for the umpteenth time, and then they switch to all caps, and it says, we are not a fantasy band. We do not sing about dragons. We sing about being miserable and trying to find meaning in this awful world. Thanks. 01:08:03.960 --> 01:08:33.920 And that has more resonance with me now. Because when I listen to... Spoiler alert. If I get to do my... Oh, Jesus Christ. What the fuck? We're going to have a moment here, all right? Jesus. You know what? I'm going to say it. You know what? People need to know. George and his Zoom background. So we're no longer doing Skype. We're doing Zoom now. And George flashed... 01:08:33.940 --> 01:09:03.880 in his background, a picture of his small penis. That was not me. It was gigantic in the background, but you could clearly tell it was a small penis. Nice shave job, George. Sorry. John sent it to me, and I thought I would show it off. It is what it is. It's kind of embarrassing. I'm going to call that showing off. That's kind of embarrassing. Wait, wait, John said that to you? John, that's yours? I mean, your size. I thought it'd be bigger. That had extra foreskin on it. What was that about? 01:09:03.940 --> 01:09:33.779 Yeah, that looked like somebody stuck their dick in a meat grinder or something. What the fuck was that? I like how Will feels compelled to review that penis. I'm just trying to forget it, and you're just talking about it. Well, listen, we have one thing, you know, one thing I have learned. I'm a big Howard Stern fan, and it's obviously it's a radio show, but there's a lot of visuals that go on. 01:09:33.960 --> 01:10:02.600 So you have to describe what is going on because we are all looking at each other on Zoom now. We can see what's going on. But if you're listening to this, you have no idea that John sent a dick pic to George. No, he didn't really. I just was joking. I just grabbed it off of Google. I really didn't do that. All right. So that really was your dick then, George? No, no. It was on Google. Mine would never fit on Google. Maybe we should ask Mark about his quarantine albums. 01:10:03.720 --> 01:10:33.700 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was thinking about getting about it. What do you want to talk about? I do want to go back to Chemist because I do remember that tweet. It was a fantastic tweet. It's the essence of Chemist in one tweet where it's like, yeah, there's swords and wizards and stuff on the cover, but if you listen to it, it's about my struggle with depression and it's a metaphor into like, you know, the lyrics are just like, the person coming for me is not a wizard. It's my internal struggles with whatever. It's taken on more resonance 01:10:33.740 --> 01:11:02.760 with me now than ever. And that's why I listen to Huntin' all the time. It's the part where he kicks in and says, you know, what kind of evil trick has brought me back to this little tiny room to do my work again. It is interesting because they are a doom band. But we know all those guys now at this point. And I've hung out extensively with Phil on a couple occasions at Atlas. 01:11:02.860 --> 01:11:32.800 And he's like the nicest guy. Like he's always all the nicest guys. I know. And it's like, so it seems odd, but you know, we only know him in short bits and stuff. But anyway, it's just, it is, it is interesting. If Jay was still here, he would point out that their lyrics are metaphors, just like Dio's lyrics were metaphors for all these things, but he's not. So we're screwed. You did have fun. But that's the point of, I think, 01:11:32.880 --> 01:12:02.840 the essence of metal, not to, that's kind of, that's really, uh, it's the word I'm looking for, like arrogant or whatever, but is to be like, I'm going to channel my inner thoughts into something like really gross or loud or transgressive. And like, that's the point you express these things that way. Like you meet Joel and you're like, this guy's really nice. I couldn't imagine this guy screaming ever. And yet there's albums full of him screaming into the microphone. I know. It's so funny listening to the, uh, the songs on the new EP and hearing 01:12:02.880 --> 01:12:32.580 And I'm like, you would never look at this man in real life and think that he would do that. His lips are so soft. Seriously, he's the sweetest guy I've ever met. And when he just does this stuff, it's just like, where's that coming from? But I'm glad it does. Hey, this is a good topic. So every day, Mark, you listen to the same song, Hunted by Chemists, every day. So let's go around. 01:12:32.600 --> 01:13:01.540 Like think off the top of your head quick. What one song in this COVID-19 pandemic horseshit that we're in, what one song would you listen to every day? Or are you going to, for now on, start listening to every day one song? Mark or son, go. I mean, well, Chemist is my favorite band right now and 100 is my favorite song. So I guess if I was going to pick one, I'm going to go with Mark. Got to agree with the guy. I'm with the franchise. Matt? 01:13:02.620 --> 01:13:30.200 I have been listening actually to the whole album but the one song I listen to is The World It Was if I had to pick one off of it. Oh yeah. Let's do John. I really don't have anything because I listen to so much stuff but if I had to pick a COVID-19 type album how about Black Curse, Endless Woon. I'll have to go with the last song, Finality I Behold. 01:13:32.620 --> 01:14:01.660 It was my idea now. I can't think of one. The first one that comes to my mind is actually Chemist Flesh to Nothing off Desolation. It is weirdly odd how much my daughter loves that album. And it's her first go-to album to ever put on. And she's got the giant tapestries of Hunted and Desolation, like the flags. 01:14:02.420 --> 01:14:03.180 above her bed. 01:14:05.380 --> 01:14:09.240 So, but of all those songs, my favorite chemist songs, Flesh to Nothing by far. 01:14:10.140 --> 01:14:12.660 You sure it's not Enter Sandman that you want to say it with? 01:14:14.480 --> 01:14:15.600 Enter Ass Man? 01:14:16.260 --> 01:14:16.420 What? 01:14:19.200 --> 01:14:20.940 Or I'm going to make an alternate. 01:14:21.320 --> 01:14:23.220 Mine is from Chopping Mall. 01:14:23.380 --> 01:14:24.360 Mine is Shut Your Kid Up. 01:14:27.420 --> 01:14:29.360 Shut the fuck up, you stupid piece of shit. 01:14:29.580 --> 01:14:30.680 Shut your fucking sound hole. 01:14:30.860 --> 01:14:31.540 Shut the fuck up. 01:14:33.360 --> 01:15:00.360 And all those lyrics on that album were written in five minutes or less. That is his tagline for that. He's so awesome. He's so talented. Yeah, we got a... For a while now, even before this year, I wanted to make a road trip out there. I thought it'd be cool to head out Midwest, see Matt, see... See the guys from Kiaru. The Kiaru guys, and of course, Keith. 01:15:01.600 --> 01:15:30.520 Keith is the one who told us about Ukiaru. Yep. That's right. They become good friends now. You should throw all those Keith sound bites into the box because I'd like to just list some of those. Well, I will eventually, but I have a bunch left. And so I like to surprise you with them in the episodes. But, you know, not the ones you've already done, though. Yeah, I could. I mean, not one of you has mentioned the episode 100 where we all have our own one. Has anybody even noticed that? 01:15:31.060 --> 01:16:01.020 I did, yeah. Oh. Yeah, we're on what? There is a Keith bite for everyone in the episode. I started with me and I worked my way back to Markisan it. Oh, really? Every one of us is, you know, mine is like George, you know, we listen to the Bellarmine Health's podcast where George has heard everything before you have. And, you know. I haven't even listened to the episode. I don't think I've listened to any of the last like eight or ten episodes. Yours is. That is a long time. Yours is, you will listen to the Bellarmine Health's podcast where Will can make you 01:16:01.040 --> 01:16:01.900 anything, a dick joke. 01:16:05.420 --> 01:16:08.300 I don't think I can bring myself to listen to episode 100. 01:16:09.760 --> 01:16:12.840 Well, yours is probably my favorite because he goes, 01:16:13.320 --> 01:16:15.560 you're listening to the Metal Heads podcast where Matt, 01:16:16.140 --> 01:16:19.060 and then he pauses and he's like, wait, which one is Matt again? 01:16:19.120 --> 01:16:20.120 Do I even know Matt? 01:16:23.960 --> 01:16:26.700 I think I mentioned this on the Facebook messenger. 01:16:26.860 --> 01:16:27.640 Yeah, maybe you did. 01:16:27.720 --> 01:16:29.900 I probably got glossed over because I love those. 01:16:30.340 --> 01:16:30.440 Yeah. 01:16:30.600 --> 01:17:00.460 So I had been planning to like put them out sporadically but I was like wait there's enough of them in here I can do all of us in one episode so perfect. It was perfect for 100 yeah. I listened to the episodes and then Tracy was just like are you listening to the episodes that you were on why are you doing that? It's like well what do you know there's extra things in here that George puts in and you know half the time I'm drunk so I don't remember what John said and he gives like great albums or something I want to know what it is. 01:17:00.500 --> 01:17:30.480 I'm a fan of the podcast too. Particularly for the Temple of Void one, when we were listing stuff, I was like, oh, I'm going to go back while I'm editing and grab all these things and be like, particularly the comic books you listed. I was like, I want to grab those comic books and some of the movies and stuff. But I get to do it while I'm editing where I can just stop, write it down, move on. You're always listening to it a second time. When I do the descriptions, I usually 01:17:30.540 --> 01:18:00.260 and try to get, you know, little ideas for the descriptions. But I don't really record Zoom, but I might start, I might get a subscription record if I'm glitching on here, George, because it's not glitching on my end at all. You've been pretty good. No, you're fine now. Yeah. Oh, okay. Weird. So, yeah, anyway, Mark. Yes. So, top five albums for quarantine? But although I thought maybe you were modifying that a little bit. 01:18:00.520 --> 01:18:30.240 Or maybe it goes together. It's a call. It my metalheads podcast hall of fame, because these are all albums that I listened to. Let me see. One seems to me. I've listened to all of these in the last week because they're just things that have entered my constant rotation, but they are, as you'll see, only because they were all guests on your show, or I learned about them on your, on your show. So it goes together. I get to show my podcasts, worship, 01:18:30.500 --> 01:19:00.480 and recognize the albums that I think we all appreciate, at least most of them. Except for Jeff. Yeah, yeah. He's not here. Number five is, and you even forgot, George, the one time I mentioned that they were a guest on your show, but this album stuck with me. I have a shirt. I bought all their albums. I saw them in concert. When their last album came out, you guys kind of glossed over it and said, yeah, it was okay. But Black Fast, Terms of 01:19:00.600 --> 01:19:29.780 of Surrender is an album that I go back to all the time. And their album that came out, it was, I think, 2018. It's called Spectre of Rune was awesome, too. They're the perfect combination of, I guess it's black and thrash, technically. But just something about the lyrical content, the way they sing, the speed of the music is perfect for me. And I saw our buddy Warren at the show I went to in Baltimore to see them play, but I put this album on constantly. 01:19:30.520 --> 01:19:59.460 And they were probably on one of the first 10 or 15 episodes. You guys interviewed them after a concert or something. They're really good live. I've seen them a couple times. I really like Terms of Surrender better than the new one. Yeah, I didn't like the new one as much, but Terms of Surrender, I liked a lot. Yeah, I think it's awesome. It's fast as hell. And I almost went to see them live just to see if that guy could play the drums that fast. And he fucking played the drums that fast. I was impressed. Nice. 01:20:06.180 --> 01:20:30.480 All Father and All Will Be Desolation. It's super heavy. That satisfies some of my little hardcore inklings. I like that they mix that in with their sound. I'm interested to see what they come up with. I really like these war journals because we're getting scoops. We're hearing... 01:20:30.520 --> 01:20:59.760 the new Thrust and Blood EP from listening to Joel. I heard that Chemist is working on their album from those guys. And Tom said, hey, yeah, we're working on more All Fathers. So like, these are a public service is doing these war journals. Yeah, he just came out with... Bloom. Yeah, I listened to that too. What's the name of the band? Wretched Empires. Yeah, it was pretty good. But yeah, All Will Be Desolation was awesome. Riffs, 01:21:00.600 --> 01:21:30.160 for days. That was great. Number three, Throssenblatt, Metathonia, which I think is very resonant these days. And resonant. Yeah, that's what I wrote to Joel about, because every time he's on your show, he talks about how he gets feedback from Throssenblatt fans. They like this song or that song, and they never mention Dead of Winter, which is my favorite Throssenblatt song by A Thousand Miles, because it's awesome. 01:21:31.120 --> 01:21:35.420 I was talking with him the other day after 01:21:37.320 --> 01:21:40.160 I'm not going to make pretentious statements but 01:21:40.700 --> 01:21:46.400 we were talking and I had an existential crisis while he was 01:21:46.720 --> 01:21:50.300 asking he always asks me he wants feedback he's like hey 01:21:50.420 --> 01:21:54.280 here's these new songs what do you think blah blah blah and Joel asks very 01:21:54.390 --> 01:21:57.880 like penetrating and intelligent questions that half the time I'm like 01:22:00.060 --> 01:22:27.280 Can I make a joke that you just said Joel impenetrating? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he was asking me... Metalhead's podcast, where Will will make anything into a dick joke. He was asking me my opinion on some future stuff that he wants to work on. And I froze up in the middle of the conversation and was like, wait, my opinion, 01:22:27.880 --> 01:22:57.740 could adversely affect the future of these music. And I was like, dude, do not take anything I say seriously. Fucking ignore. And he got a little butthurt. He was like, dude, give me a little credit. I'm like, I'm not going to take your stupid ideas and make them into songs. I'm laughing because your first thought is that my bad idea, like, whatever you say is going to be bad. Like, what if it's brilliant? It could be. But the point is, I, 01:22:58.040 --> 01:23:27.780 I don't think of when I'm it's like I'm talking to you guys when I'm talking to him and so I don't think about the fact that something I say could actually affect what he does and I'm like dude I just like freaked out I can't give you any more opinions because I'm afraid that I'm gonna somehow like taint your awesomeness taint taint the Satan's taint which taint? Will is on fire tonight. 01:23:27.880 --> 01:23:56.740 And so I think he got a little irked with me because he's like, dude, fuck off. Just tell me. Don't confuse me. Be honest. Don't equivocate. I love that song and I listen to it a lot. And that was my scoop from when I emailed him. I said, I love this song. And he, of course, said, oh, well, you know, it's Ray's vocals that are great because the dialogue between the Huntress and the Meta is amazing. 01:23:57.160 --> 01:24:27.120 And he's like, and if you like that, there's more of that on the new album. Meaning him and her singing back and forth. And so that was pretty cool. They get a preview of T5, knowing that there's some of that. Aside from the loss of life and all the horrible things related to jobs and everything else, the worst personal experience for me is the fact that this fucking thing shut down T5 production. It was supposed to be out like, 01:24:27.160 --> 01:24:28.800 early next year, I think. 01:24:29.280 --> 01:24:31.740 D5 is Throsome Blot 5. 01:24:32.140 --> 01:24:34.880 Yeah, and now it's like, who knows when it's going to be out. 01:24:36.900 --> 01:24:37.660 The songs are written. 01:24:38.020 --> 01:24:39.320 They're just needing to be recorded. 01:24:42.380 --> 01:24:43.480 Maybe it'll be better for it. 01:24:44.080 --> 01:24:44.340 Yeah, yeah. 01:24:44.500 --> 01:24:46.160 That's why I said on the Messenger the other day, 01:24:46.160 --> 01:24:49.260 I was like, hey, I hope you guys really like your mid-year list, 01:24:49.960 --> 01:24:51.400 because it may be your year-end list. 01:24:52.020 --> 01:24:52.160 Yep. 01:24:53.660 --> 01:24:56.280 Yeah, with all the things getting pushed back, stupid. 01:24:56.320 --> 01:25:25.480 There's some good stuff coming out, man. I love that new Cryptic Shift record. Yes, John just schooled me on that because it's been on my Bane Camp wish list for a while and I didn't think it was out yet. And he's like, dude, it's out. I was like, oh, okay. Killer. Man, did you guys listen to that impalement I sent? That was pretty fucking awesome. I know nobody did. I did. Actually, I listened to it. It's pretty good. It's good. 01:25:25.540 --> 01:25:55.320 I don't think it'll make my list. I mean, it's not like earth shattering, but I was like surprised that this band had never heard. I was like, oh, this is pretty solid. It's got some good riffs in it, man. It's brutal. I like it. Yeah, it's called Trypticon. All right. Yeah, where are you? Okay, so my Frost and Black Minitonia was my number three. 01:25:55.560 --> 01:26:25.520 I listen to it a lot but I also listen to it I think Joel seems uh because he mentioned that review on the last when you guys talked to him and I went and read it and then even when I when I emailed him he wrote back he's like yeah somebody wrote this review of live off the forest floor and that really shook me and I read it and I couldn't have been more confused about why somebody would write something like that like even if you hated something you then have to put in the energy to go right and be like yeah this uh this is just like a lame live album or like even if you did 01:26:25.580 --> 01:26:54.920 I didn't like it. Why would you take the time to write that? That is exactly why I tend to not write shitty. Well, back when I wrote reviews, I gave up on writing shitty reviews. And even on here, I mean, we like to bust on people sometimes, but what's the fucking point of expending the energy to talk about something you don't like? I read that review too. And first of all, this guy didn't know shit about what he was talking about. That's what made it worse is they didn't even, there was like, yeah, it's just like a live album. What's that all about? Like, Hey, 01:26:55.540 --> 01:26:57.780 And it's really good for a live album. 01:26:57.980 --> 01:26:58.080 Awesome. 01:26:58.260 --> 01:26:59.320 Yeah, that was my problem. 01:26:59.320 --> 01:27:00.740 So I listened to a lot of Thrust of the Block. 01:27:00.800 --> 01:27:04.520 This is my album for the list, but I listened to all of it all the time. 01:27:06.120 --> 01:27:15.300 Number two, I had to pick between two mold albums, but I went with the one I've been listening to more, and I went with Manners of Infinite Forms. 01:27:16.540 --> 01:27:22.920 It's a little longer, so maybe there's some extra two mold if I'm being taken away in quarantine, so that had to factor in. 01:27:22.980 --> 01:27:52.600 But that was my second album. That's something I listen to weekly that I wouldn't have otherwise known about if it wasn't for you guys. I mean, the new album was awesome. And the night that we saw them at Atlas, that was a Thursday. It was being released the next day. It was cool seeing a band on the eve of their album being released. John and Will, I don't know if you guys remember, but they owned the stage that night. 01:27:52.740 --> 01:28:22.700 I had seen them the summer before and they were great then but they had developed a stage presence that was pretty fucking cool what I what I enjoyed about that night if you remember it was about 150 fucking degrees in the brewery that night and and I have this great photo of Payson a guitar player I think he's wearing shorts I don't even know if he's wearing shoes no 01:28:22.720 --> 01:28:52.700 on, like short shorts on, and he's just slumped over on the stage, drinking a bottle of water, dripping in sweat, and I was just sitting there thinking, like, I took this picture, and when I see that picture every now and again, I was like, that guy left it all on stage. Like, it was so fucking hot. Yeah, in his defense, he didn't have a choice. He had to leave it on stage because it was brutal that way. I mean, that was one of the, it was one of the 01:28:52.740 --> 01:29:21.860 Hottest Days in D.C. that year, last year. And it was, I mean, the brewery is just so hot. And we have these big giant fans, these cooling fans. But the guys on stage don't get a whole lot of that. It wasn't any better a couple nights later when we saw Soar. Yeah. Oh, that was the night the power went out. Yeah. Somebody in one of the opening bands, like, rearranged the power cords. And we have to have the power cords set up very specifically because they're coming off all kinds of different breakers. 01:29:22.440 --> 01:29:47.640 And somebody rearranged them and the power went out. Yeah, they daisy-changed it. Yeah, they daisy-changed it. And I had to literally go and for the rest of everyone's sets, I had to sit behind the stage because the breaker box is behind the stage, behind the gristmill. And I had to sit there in case it went out again. Anyway. You know, I think had Decibel happened this year, I think we probably would have daisy-chained. 01:29:52.420 --> 01:29:54.740 George or make anything to an anal sex joke. 01:29:59.240 --> 01:30:01.100 Yeah, that two-month show was awesome. 01:30:01.470 --> 01:30:05.020 When I wrote George the other day, like, that was, I've been to a lot of great shows. 01:30:05.200 --> 01:30:07.820 I'm sure we all have, but that was a happening. 01:30:08.030 --> 01:30:17.080 That was like a moment in time that can't be recreated where they were incredible. 01:30:17.350 --> 01:30:18.360 It was awesome. 01:30:20.580 --> 01:30:20.760 All right. 01:30:20.920 --> 01:30:21.580 So that was number two. 01:30:21.620 --> 01:30:25.820 And then my number one is I was picturing, you're saying, pretend you're being taken away 01:30:25.870 --> 01:30:50.800 in a quarantine. So I was picturing some kind of like Gestapo behind me. I say, okay, I need this one album, but you need to let me take the last song from the previous album too. And so I want to take Hunted by Chemist song, but then take Desolation. Desolation is my number one album. And it might be my favorite album of all time. I don't know if it'll ever be knocked off, but I listen to that every other day. 01:30:51.200 --> 01:31:21.060 And it never, ever, ever gets old. Does not. No, I will listen to that over and over again forever. That is a masterpiece. And so that's my number one album the Metalheads led me to, number one album for quarantine, number one album for whatever. So put that on the list. Thank you for thinking so highly of us. Even though you know us. Yeah. Will just wants to talk about his dick. 01:31:21.220 --> 01:31:50.600 All the time, that's fine. As long as I get a chemist album every once in a while, I can deal with all the dicks ever. Nice. I wanted to mention when y'all were talking about like the song, I didn't get to do mine. Like the, the, I don't think I did mine either. Cause I go, we'll go ahead. Know why you didn't do yours. Cause I didn't do mine. That's why. So do yours. Oh no, I think, I think, I think I did. Oh, you did nothing. Yeah. What was it? Flesh to nothing chemist. Oh, okay. Desolation. 01:31:52.980 --> 01:32:20.500 I went with it's not even probably I don't even know if it's a real song but it's the first song off of full of hell's trumpeting ecstasy deluminate because I I listen to this every time because I love it and the guy's like the trees are full of misery and I'm like fuck yeah they are and that's that's that's lockdown the trees are full of misery you know it's funny because 01:32:21.260 --> 01:32:22.860 And this whole COVID thing, 01:32:23.440 --> 01:32:25.240 I've been wearing hats more often because I'm like, 01:32:25.240 --> 01:32:27.060 I'm not going to fucking comb my hair. 01:32:27.580 --> 01:32:28.880 Not that I have much hair to comb. 01:32:29.640 --> 01:32:33.360 And so my go-to hat is my camouflage full of hell hat. 01:32:34.160 --> 01:32:36.500 And my go-to hoodie is my bong ripper, 01:32:36.620 --> 01:32:36.720 hail, 01:32:36.940 --> 01:32:37.080 saint, 01:32:37.120 --> 01:32:37.320 worship, 01:32:37.620 --> 01:32:37.840 doom. 01:32:38.580 --> 01:32:39.140 And it is, 01:32:40.820 --> 01:32:46.640 it gets sometimes uncomfortable because my kids best friends are, 01:32:47.380 --> 01:32:47.700 you know, 01:32:47.740 --> 01:32:49.320 the kids are the same age across the street. 01:32:49.540 --> 01:33:19.500 It's like the one family they're allowed to play with now, but they're super religious. Yeah. Like literally the dude was like in a missionary family and grew up overseas in a missionary family. As opposed to a doggy family. Right. Exactly. And, um, if this were, so every now and again, like I'll walk out of the house, go check on the kids. I got my Crocs on. I don't even wear shoes anymore. I just wear Crocs. I'm, I'm, I don't care anymore. I got my full of hell hat on and my bong ripper 01:33:19.520 --> 01:33:49.500 I have a Satan worship doom hoodie on and I walk over to the other house that's extremely religious and I think they just look at me like we like you we like your kids we do not approve your clothing yeah have you guys seen the movie the art of self-defense no no I don't think so no you guys should watch that it's freaking awesome I've heard of it there's a they use some full of hell songs in there really well it's a really dark comedy about this kid who's he's 01:33:49.540 --> 01:34:19.460 He's kind of like a dork and he takes up karate and it takes a weird sinister turn. So like a Michael Cera movie? Is it him? I don't think it's Michael Cera. It's the other guy. It's kind of like Michael Cera. Yeah, that guy. Heisenberg? Heisenberg? I loved it. I just watched it with Tracy and I love that movie. Is it on Netflix or Amazon? I think I saw it on Hulu, but I don't know. I can't remember. It might be on another streaming service. 01:34:19.520 --> 01:34:47.260 But I think you guys would really dig it. I admit meaning to mention it, but it has some metal parts in it, and they definitely play a couple full of hell songs. That's awesome. But it's a great dark comedy, man. Nice. Full of Hell has a special place in my heart in a weird sort of way because they are the band that shut Atlas down for a little while. How fucking nuts that show was. Outer Heaven and Full of Hell. I want to see them again. 01:34:49.520 --> 01:35:19.380 when weeping choir came out. Yeah, weeping choir came out. Jumping ecstasy? No, the one I have to. The new one, weeping choir. I was like, dude, we need to go out to Ocean City and fucking interview these guys and then head over to fucking Birmingham and just make it a weekend of fucking deboshed, well, not really deboshed, drunken fucking interviews. I don't know. I can't remember if, oh, shit. 01:35:19.520 --> 01:35:48.800 What's the guy, the main guy in Full of Hell? I don't know if he drinks. Okay, well, it doesn't matter. We would. More for us. But, I mean, it was more about the Brimminghorn side of it, you know, in terms of that. But mostly just because Ocean City and Brimminghorn are within close proximity. I was like, dude, you, me, John, we got to head out there. 01:35:49.540 --> 01:36:18.640 and make a weekend of it. And I've still, I was still talking to the, the Brimminghorn guys will be on here later or, um, uh, and I was like, dudes, we, you know, I got to grab John and Will and we need to come out there and record something there and just be like, you know, and they were like, yeah, man, let's do it. We do need to do the, uh, the road show thing. Um, yeah. 01:36:20.300 --> 01:36:49.500 Franchise, what have you been listening to lately? Yeah. I made a list for that too. Oh, excellent. I was listening to a lot of Arty Sleep just because I bought all of those albums. I had a few and I've been screenshotting my phone and then following up on my email to Keith and be like, this time and this song right here is awesome. The new Elder is pretty cool. I listened to that. It didn't grab me. I've always wanted 01:36:49.540 --> 01:37:19.500 to like Elder and have always just kind of fell short of being able to. Yeah, this was a little wonky, like less metal than even the previous ones, but I do think it is cool. I listened to a lot of Temple of Void a couple of times. It is really, really good. I need to keep going with it, but it is, they definitely know what they are doing. It was really exciting to see them in concert and see this album. They really have like a 01:37:19.540 --> 01:37:48.360 vision for what they wanted to sound like, I think. And it's definitely cool. Let's see. The new Thrust and Blatt EP is awesome. The Chopping Mall CD was a lot of fun. And then I've been listening to Warp Chamber, which is very much Tomb Mold-esque, like new, that kind of like death metal, what would you call it, like Finnish death metal style. 01:37:48.400 --> 01:38:18.340 But it sounds very much like Tumult, but just enough originality to be really cool. But if you like, what did I say? Four fans of FFO, four fans of Tumult, Warp Chamber really works. I saw that on your band camp and meant to check that out. That's a prosthetic release, I believe. Okay. Implements of Excruciation. Wait, say that again? Implements of Excruciation. 01:38:18.960 --> 01:38:47.240 is the name of the album. Okay. Which, you know, sounds about right. Yeah. That's metal to most people that aren't metal fans. Death metal album name generator. Profound Laura, that's what it's on. Yeah. Oh, profound Laura, not prosthetic. Yeah. It was a P1. I got that part right. Bit of a slight difference there, but you know. And that was your number one. Oh, no, sorry. 01:38:49.900 --> 01:39:18.020 That was the last one I got. Yeah. We're not even on your list anymore. And he lifts up his beer and pulls to it. He's like, sorry, I forgot you were talking about what you're listening to. That was the last one. But the Thrust and Blonde EP is awesome. He's the Ours. The last song is pretty great. That song gives me goosebumps. How would you describe this style? I couldn't quite put my finger on like what this delved into, but there was some like, I don't know if it was like punk or like, 01:39:19.880 --> 01:39:48.320 It sounds a lot different than Metathonia, I'll tell you that. Well, part of it is the fact that he's using drum machines, which I forgot about by the time it came out because it sounds so good. But as he mentioned when he was on here, there are four songs, each covering four points from Chris Hadfield's thing about... So who is Chris Hadfield? The Canadian astronaut. And he really hits those points very well in each song. 01:39:48.820 --> 01:40:18.340 But now, heave the oars, or as I like to say, now to heave the oars, it's just so like, that is so fucking metal and so inspiring. It's just like, you fucking doing this and now we have to heave the oars. We got to get this shit done. Are you going skiing, George? George is like thrusting his fists up and down. This will be you and me and John in Ocean City. I'm the center square, so if I do this, I'm skiing. 01:40:18.420 --> 01:40:48.040 Skiing with George and John. I'm probably talking to Will and Matt only, but are you guys familiar with Toy Story 4 and the Keanu Reeves character? Yes. Duke. So I feel like that's... Duke Caboom. Yeah. Duke Caboom. The French Canadian Daredevil. That's what he said. Bruce Hadfield, the most famous Canadian astronaut. I get the same. Yeah, but that song is so bad. 01:40:49.940 --> 01:41:17.200 I get goosebumps listening to that song. I think I saw Toy Story 4 in the theater. I did too. Back when people could see movies in theaters. Keanu Reeves' voice is this really melodramatic, romantic. Wait, is that really Keanu Reeves' voice? Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. He's this French-Canadian daredevil who's very melodramatic and not really self-aware, and so he's this silly Canadian guy. 01:41:18.380 --> 01:41:48.340 I heard Joel talk about, well, you know, this very famous Canadian astronaut. I'm like, oh, okay. Yeah. Canadian astronaut. All right, cool. Well, George, since you have so much influence for the Joel, you should get him to do a song called Duke Caboom. Well, you know, I don't want to say too much, but he was, he, he, he's talking about, I can't fucking say anything. I mean, let's just say there was music that he was asking. There was music that he was asking. 01:41:49.080 --> 01:42:17.060 that was outside of the Thrasenblatt realm. And that was where the whole existential crisis came in. Because I was like, oh, you should do, you are, you know, this kind of music that you do like this is so much like this meets this. And he was like, mind blown. He's like, wow, that's amazing that you would think that. And I was like, and then I was like, wait, don't fucking listen to me. 01:42:18.400 --> 01:42:48.320 Do what you're going to do because, you know. I don't care about all that. I just want to do kaboom song. Right, right, right, right. But well, the point is, you know, despite my existential crisis, Joel is smarter than me and knows how to weed out my bullshit to get to what actually matters. So. And he was asking you about doing some easy listening. That's the genre. Sort of. I knew it. That's out of the bag. 01:42:49.060 --> 01:43:18.040 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, where were we? Hey, Hey, Mark, have you gotten your kids listening to? All right. So I guess there's a difference. Your kids probably listen to metal because you're playing it, but do they enjoy metal? Do any of your, your, your oldest, your eight and your six year olds. They do. Yeah. And I, I take some of my cues from you where I'm like, well, if it's okay for his kids to like, 01:43:18.100 --> 01:43:47.640 really be into it. I can like come in a little bit lower than that and be like, Hey, this guy's, she's got, his daughter's got flags on the wall. Like I don't put flags on their wall at least. No cannibal corpse though. No, but they, no, they do it. It, it, uh, it definitely resonates. My daughter who's six, she says her favorite song is Holy Diver by Dio because it's an awesome song, but like the way the wind at the beginning is cool. And the, 01:43:49.200 --> 01:44:17.780 No, it's got a good beat. Yeah, they definitely are familiar enough with it that they hear it enough. Me and my wife, she tolerates it from time to time, but she doesn't fully support it, so it still has that kind of like, oh, that's the thing that mom doesn't like as much as. Oh, yeah. It's like, oh, yeah, this is our thing between you and I. They start to pick, it's a fine line, right? You want to force all this stuff on them and feed it to them. Be like, here, this. 01:44:18.100 --> 01:44:47.360 Listen to this. This is awesome. And that's exactly how to turn them away. You know, and they're like, oh, no, if you tell me to, I'm not going to. But no, they've they definitely understand enough about it to have it resonate. So so if you just put so the way my kids are like, if I could literally play like cannibal corpse or something like extreme. And my kids don't bat an eye like it doesn't even phase them. But I've done this where like, I remember how to drive my daughter to soccer practice. 01:44:48.120 --> 01:45:18.080 these two other little girls like one in first grade and one in second grade and my daughter in third grade and I'm taking them all to soccer practice I'm just like hey look you want me to pick up your kids from after school and take them to soccer practice well guess what they're going to listen to what I like and I'll never forget that you know I don't know what came on the radio but it was extreme you know it's like whatever I whatever it was either on liquid metal or Ozzy's Boneyard or my iPod but I remember the other 01:45:18.100 --> 01:45:46.920 The two girls were like, oh my god, what is this? And my daughter was like, look at him like, what the fuck's your problem? But I love that. They're just so used to it. Whether they like it or not, they're just used to it. Because I know growing up, my father listened to a lot of classic rock, whether it was CCR or Pink Floyd or Led Zeppelin or whatever it was. It was familiar to me. And I can hear those songs now on the radio. I'm like, oh yeah, I remember this because my dad used to play this all the time. 01:45:49.400 --> 01:46:18.080 No, they're used to it. I remember by, I was taking, I was doing the same. I was taking another kid home from a birthday party or something. And we were listening to, um, Great Brunswick Forest. We were listening to Thrust and Blight. And I heard my son tell his friend that, oh yeah, my dad likes this like hard rock stuff or something like that. He's like, my dad, he didn't, he didn't call it metal. He had a funny term for it, but it was like, yeah, this is the music my dad, but he 01:46:18.120 --> 01:46:46.400 He was kind of like bragging on it. He's like, yeah, my dad loves this. You've probably never heard of Thrasabod, have you? Is your eight-year-old a boy or a girl? He's a boy. Okay. Do you find that you, like for me, I'm more proud of the fact that my nine-year-old daughter is more in the middle than my six-year-old son. Yeah. Just because I'm getting my daughter. Little girls are cute when they're like, yeah. 01:46:48.120 --> 01:47:17.240 Oh, throwing up horns is way better. Yeah. Welcome to the Metalhead's Parents podcast. Yeah. We've talked about baseball, some Star Wars, you know, parenting tips. Yeah, you know. My cat likes metal. Nice. Well, he ought to with his name. Yeah. So-so. Yep. Yeah, he digs it. He actually, 01:47:18.120 --> 01:47:48.040 I put it on, I throw it on. He always comes over and hangs out with me whenever I play albums. It's really interesting. I think he's just used to the sound of it. Matt, what about your kids? Matt's got kids. I want to hear from... You know, the most I've really been able to get him into is Iron Maiden, which I'll take. They call it Eddie. I've tried other stuff. I played... I remember I had some Opeth on in my car one time. 01:47:48.100 --> 01:47:52.300 My son leaned forward and this is a while back so he'd been listening to 01:47:53.200 --> 01:47:57.520 Mater from Cars had a there was a special on Netflix but a bunch of shorts and there's one that was 01:47:57.620 --> 01:48:02.000 called Heavy Metal Mater and so I had some opeth on he leaned forward he's like is this Heavy Metal Mater? 01:48:02.160 --> 01:48:04.960 I was like oh wait there's really a Heavy Metal Mater? 01:48:05.800 --> 01:48:12.500 Yeah I mean it's a super short clip of him you know but I was like if that's if that's what I have I will take it 01:48:13.740 --> 01:48:17.520 so to get into it a little bit but you know my daughter's really into country 01:48:18.100 --> 01:48:45.540 What? Yeah, I know. Trying to block it out as much as I can. Old countries? New countries. Johnny Cash is badass. It's not Johnny Cash. I'm with you on that, but no, it's not Johnny Cash. Does it come from their mother? A little bit, yeah. My kids don't even know what country music is. My kids don't know it. They know a little bit about hip-hop and stuff because they hear it after school. After school. 01:48:47.540 --> 01:49:17.180 Like they hear that crap. Yeah. Um, but my kids literally have no idea. Well, like what country music is. And I was hoping for that, but it just hasn't. It hasn't. So it's playing in the car or the house or somewhere that they hear it. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I, again, it's, it's. Divorce is an option. You know that. It is. You know, I did go to my, it was, was it two summers ago? I went to my one and only, hopefully my only country show. 01:49:17.540 --> 01:49:47.500 This Zach Brown Band. And they did it to their defense. They did play Zeppelin. They played, what else did they play? They did play Metallica. They played something else. So if I was going to listen to Country, it would be that band. Wait, the band played it? Or it was like between songs? No, they played it. Like the whole thing. I mean, they kind of get into that, because I feel like they did a song with Chris Cornell. They did something else with somebody. So they're just kind of pushing the envelope of, you know, getting a little bit 01:49:47.520 --> 01:49:48.800 in the country genre. 01:49:49.520 --> 01:49:50.980 And that's about as far as I would go. 01:49:51.200 --> 01:49:54.640 I mean, they have other stuff they listen to, to which I do not dabble in. 01:49:54.960 --> 01:49:56.400 What did they play by Metallica? 01:49:56.480 --> 01:49:58.660 Was it like Enter Sandman or was it like Badger? 01:49:58.870 --> 01:49:59.720 Yeah, it was Enter Sandman. 01:50:00.080 --> 01:50:03.880 And to be honest, it sounded, I mean, pretty good. 01:50:04.640 --> 01:50:05.500 I mean, I have not listened to that song in years. 01:50:05.500 --> 01:50:07.000 That's the whole point about Enter Sandman. 01:50:07.110 --> 01:50:10.500 Like to me, the whole Black album sounds like it could be like a fucking country music band. 01:50:10.880 --> 01:50:12.840 Like I remember when Enter Sandman came out as my, 01:50:13.640 --> 01:50:16.760 Welcome to the Metalheads podcast where Will is going to shit on the Black album. 01:50:18.120 --> 01:50:46.800 Like to me when Enter Sandman came out it's the first song I heard on the new album like is this a fucking warrant cover song like what the fuck is this like it literally to me that's that that song sounds like a shitty hair metal band and then somebody I'm just sorry wait all right good beer bad glass 01:50:47.980 --> 01:51:16.600 He's pouring a fair winds beer, which I think is dark and stormy. Am I right? I can't believe you mentioned Warren because now I have that cherry pie song stuck in my head. I know, but to me, like that song was like, this is a warrant song just done with like slightly distorted guitars. I thought we lost John like a half hour ago, but he's back. Your favorite drummer back there, John. 01:51:16.820 --> 01:51:45.860 And the greatest producer ever. Not Bobby. Wait, wait. So behind John. So right now we have behind Markisan is a Dio last in line behind George is zoom background is the metalheads podcast old logo from a while ago. It's well, I guess maybe it's current one. I don't know. Current one behind John. It looks like you got James Hetfield flipping off. John. 01:51:46.820 --> 01:52:15.220 John with Lars Ulrich behind John, giving Johns a thumb down, and some other guy who is Bob Rock sucking on John's microphone. Yeah. And John's like, yeah, I dig it. So I, that's the, actually, John, I want you to send me that picture, because anytime we talk about the Black Album, you have James Hetfield saying, fuck you, you have Lars Ulrich giving the thumbs down, and you have them looking at Bob Rock. 01:52:15.700 --> 01:52:45.240 It's actually the perfect picture. You're brilliant, John. Why do you think John shows it? Thank you. I'm going to pull that up every time we talk about the Bach album. Yeah. Oh, please do. Fun new things to do when you use Zoom. Yeah. All right. Well, do we have... Franchise, what else do you got? Yeah. 01:52:45.700 --> 01:53:14.700 Speak to us. What? Am I here to entertain you guys? Yeah. I don't know if you have other topics. I downloaded the episode that I was on and we just have had great guests including chemists albums I'll listen to forever but the guest that day was some guy from Italy. November guy. They were pretty good. They were fine but it was one of those ones that were like alright that was cool and then just filed away forever. Yeah. 01:53:15.680 --> 01:53:42.640 I think there was a little bit of a language gap there. Europeans probably do not get our humor very well because we are both crude and extremely homoerotic. So they're just like, what? And I don't think he got us. What? You and Will are. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:53:50.440 --> 01:54:15.660 I do like to watch Markisan cringe every time we have like some sort of dick joke he's like oh god well you know back in the day John these guys back in the day John was all like oh I don't know about that and he would he wouldn't participate but now he's he's he's all in he's been uh oh he's not all in he's maybe like two inches in well yeah you gotta go you gotta work with what you have 01:54:15.760 --> 01:54:16.020 Right. 01:54:17.460 --> 01:54:47.440 Matt just put the black owl behind him. I can't tell. Oh yeah it is. Here we go. Here's the snake. You know it is funny the way everyone's changing their backgrounds and not really paying attention to what's going on is like watching the zoom meetings with my six-year-old because they're just like they're all like oh let me or my nine-year-old too is like let me change my background like oh look at this cool like hey let me pull up the stuffy my stuffed animal and show it to you like. But you can do like animated 01:54:47.500 --> 01:54:52.680 I was talking to my buddy Jason the other day and he created one where people are like walking 01:54:52.800 --> 01:54:58.400 into there it's him walking into the room while he's on yeah yeah somebody else did that too 01:54:59.120 --> 01:55:05.380 that was on the news that some guy he was like yeah he's in it and he you can put videos in the 01:55:05.520 --> 01:55:13.340 background and it was like him walking in going oh and then like walking back out again so 01:55:15.520 --> 01:55:16.580 Yeah, it's good. 01:55:18.200 --> 01:55:22.620 All right, well, this war journal has gone like twice as long as most. 01:55:23.920 --> 01:55:25.220 Well, we got the franchise, man. 01:55:25.240 --> 01:55:26.940 How long, how often do we get to see this guy? 01:55:26.940 --> 01:55:27.620 I'm not cutting us off. 01:55:27.820 --> 01:55:29.160 We'll go as long as we want to go. 01:55:29.240 --> 01:55:29.460 No, no, no. 01:55:29.460 --> 01:55:29.820 I'm just saying. 01:55:30.080 --> 01:55:31.240 But no, it's nice. 01:55:32.640 --> 01:55:34.060 It's very good to see Mark. 01:55:34.140 --> 01:55:35.100 We don't give enough Mark. 01:55:36.460 --> 01:55:37.680 I appreciate you guys very much. 01:55:37.680 --> 01:55:37.800 Yeah. 01:55:38.800 --> 01:55:41.640 It's like you live danger close, but I don't get to see you that often. 01:55:42.620 --> 01:56:12.580 I come to Atlas not as much as I'd like I missed yeah both times they played there there the list of shows that I have not seen there is as long as the awesome shows I have seen there's just too many to choose from I know I know the poster behind what the uh is more in hell I was excited and Matt's here Matt's fellow yellow eyes and Venom fan I was really pissed I didn't get to see that one because that looked 01:56:12.600 --> 01:56:16.700 I didn't even see that one it's weird because I don't get to 01:56:17.510 --> 01:56:24.720 you know you got four kids I only have two so um and my job is to be there but I just can't be there every 01:56:25.020 --> 01:56:41.960 time and I did miss the yellow eyes that sounded like a rare opportunity that I unfortunately had to miss it is fun like we do get some like really great shows that are just like rare super underground but it's like wow 01:56:41.960 --> 01:57:11.640 these just amazing bands like Mismore, you know, or Sayor, Soor. Those are the cool bands are the ones that are super underground. They're what's up and coming and cool. I get super excited by like Temple of Voids coming again. It's weird that I'm kind of friendly with those guys, but they play my brewery. And Ukiyaru too. They make a point, they make a whole tour, like a short tour, just to come play. 01:57:11.960 --> 01:57:41.920 It's fun. I fucking love it. So I'll at least see you in August, hopefully. That's the nexus that has come together of Atlas plus this podcast plus like if you follow, I don't know what you call it, like it's not necessarily underground metal, but if you follow like extreme metal, whatever super name you want to put up, but if you follow metal, every popular thing you hear of, every good label, every good record label, every good band, most of them play it out. 01:57:41.960 --> 01:58:09.260 What kind of opportunity is that? If you like a certain type of music, if you follow a certain site or whatever, and you see the interesting bands that are up and coming, and there's a place you can just go and see them for $15, that's a pretty amazing opportunity. Usually it's $10. To be able to go see, oh yeah, I've heard of that, and they're playing at this brewery in my city, that's pretty cool. 01:58:09.380 --> 01:58:38.900 One day we will have all six of us from the podcast and you two franchise, everybody at the brewery, to drink beer and see a show. Way to go, Matt. Bob Ross in the background there. I have extended the invitation because we may or may not get to do mid-year like we normally do. End of year, if people are able to travel, y'all, 01:58:40.180 --> 01:59:09.340 I will host it. We will do it all from this fucking room right here. We will do year end here. And, uh, and I was like, hopefully maybe there'd be an Atlas show that we could, or whether there's a show or not, we fucking go to Atlas, you know? I mean, weirdly enough, like I can just actually put a show together. Like if I know a certain weekend, like I'll just put one together. And my, my, my dream show, as I think I mentioned over our message feed recently was after 01:59:09.400 --> 01:59:12.860 this is over. We need to have a one or two day 01:59:14.020 --> 01:59:14.980 Atlas fest 01:59:15.620 --> 01:59:16.860 where we get Joel, 01:59:17.280 --> 01:59:18.980 we get Trevor, we get 01:59:19.020 --> 01:59:21.100 Utkiaru, Temple of Void. All these 01:59:21.260 --> 01:59:22.820 guys to fucking come out and play 01:59:23.380 --> 01:59:24.360 a show together. 01:59:26.420 --> 01:59:27.240 Financially, it's not 01:59:27.320 --> 01:59:27.640 going to work. 01:59:29.140 --> 01:59:30.180 It's not going to work for them. 01:59:30.780 --> 01:59:32.100 To travel all this way. 01:59:35.760 --> 01:59:37.000 What's nice about Atlas 01:59:37.040 --> 01:59:37.920 and what's bad about Atlas, 01:59:38.000 --> 02:00:07.980 our capacity now, after the Full of Hell and Outer Heaven show, is about 150 people. And so there's only so much money you can make at a 150-person venue. What's nice about it is it's intimate. There's no barriers. The stage is short. Walk right up. There's no green room, really, to speak of, like a real one. They just hang out in the bar. They sit behind and sell their own merch. I mean, I've only seen really one or two 02:00:08.000 --> 02:00:37.520 who just sort of like squirrel themselves away and not like interact with people. I mean, you're forced to interact with them. So that, that, that aspect is super nice about it. But what's not nice about it is we're not a big enough venue that you can get enough people in there to incentivize a band to travel far distance to do a one-off show there. Right. So like, even when I, I booked like the decibel pre-show, it's like, all right, my, my range is usually like, 02:00:38.600 --> 02:01:05.500 Philadelphia to Richmond. That's literally the range I think of. Philadelphia to Richmond, maybe Pittsburgh, maybe Raleigh area if I want to go all the way down to North Carolina. But yeah, we just we're just not going to make enough money just because the small the size of the venue. My dream has been crushed. Like $40 a person. But I didn't think my dream was realistic anyway. It was just a dream. 02:01:11.920 --> 02:01:12.760 All right. 02:01:14.320 --> 02:01:17.000 Well, anything else we want to ask Mark while he's here? 02:01:20.560 --> 02:01:21.800 When can I see you again, stud? 02:01:22.380 --> 02:01:22.580 Yeah. 02:01:23.440 --> 02:01:24.060 Be right there. 02:01:24.380 --> 02:01:25.520 We live 20 minutes away. 02:01:25.820 --> 02:01:26.180 I know. 02:01:26.880 --> 02:01:32.640 But still, I do think that like a year-end episode, if people are willing to travel, 02:01:32.790 --> 02:01:36.840 obviously Mark's son coming the farthest, Jay, after that. 02:01:37.200 --> 02:02:07.120 And Matt, the three of you, if you guys are willing to travel, I'm willing to host. We can do a year-round all-in-one room since we didn't get to see each other this year. Do you have enough microphones? I will have to pick up a couple more microphones, but I can do that. Okay. I mean, I have enough. We can bring ours. Well, I mean, technically, I have like dozens of microphones. I don't have six of these. I have three of these. But, you know, 02:02:07.800 --> 02:02:36.520 We could just use like we did with the Decibel last time where I just have, I have six dynamic microphones so we can just plug into something and use that instead. It'd be just fine. Yeah, that'd be great. No, I already talked to about my wife because we were talking about December and because I would piggyback that with another trip like we would go see other people because if I'm going to come all the way to the mainland, I'll do that and then I'll do something else. 02:02:36.620 --> 02:03:04.940 just fly somewhere else in the mainland so but yeah make a weekend out of it where we could uh we can do the episode go to atlas for beers whether there's a show or not just to be there because you guys haven't been if if if we're gonna do this i will make a show like the the difference is i have the ability to make a show like i can i can rustle up enough like awesome bands like hey i'm making a show come play making love out of nothing at all 02:03:06.120 --> 02:03:33.520 They're like my minstrels. Like just, hey, I'm making a show. Come play. Play. Entertain me. Are you not entertained? Yeah. Well, you got to make a Metalhead's podcast beer because there's six bottles in a six pack. There's six of us. Yeah. All our faces on a bottle. No bottle at Atlas. We can. Can is fine, too. Actually, we do 22-ounce bottles. That don't work. We can do cans. 02:03:34.980 --> 02:04:04.760 Settlehead's beer for years, and he just is like, fuck you. So, not that it's his decision. I understand that, Ed. Well, we'll see what happens up there. That sounds like a really fun time. Hey, we made it into a comic book. That's all that matters. And possibly another one. Yes, yes. Actually, mark us on. Put us in a comic book. No, I'm talking about your boy. Oh, I know. Burlap. 02:04:04.940 --> 02:04:34.500 We're going to be in Burlap. He did mention us in a comic book. Markisan that is. No, I want to see like our faces being like, I don't know. He wants to sell it, dude. Space Rangers or something. I don't know. You can't sell it with us in there. We'll see. You know, it just depends on the content. I have put people in the Invoracious. Yeah, I saw that. Yeah, I know. I've been, like Jason drew me in it and his wife, you know. Yeah, like Kickstarter, man. Like I'll pay some big time bucks. 02:04:34.960 --> 02:05:03.960 God knows I paid several hundred dollars for burlap to get us all in there. I don't know if we probably won't do a Kickstarter because you don't need it because you're big time now. No, I mean, it's a it's a mid it's a mid level publisher, but they'll actually end up paying us for it. So if we do a Kickstarter to be at the end where we would collect like a hardcover or something like that and do some special things. But is this going to be like a physical copy thing? Because I have to admit, like, yeah, I I hate reading. 02:05:04.960 --> 02:05:06.520 on a computer. 02:05:08.220 --> 02:05:16.800 Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, that's why we get a publisher so we can do the print version and there'll be the trade. And of course, you can get it digitally too. But yeah. 02:05:18.180 --> 02:05:18.700 Okay, excellent. 02:05:19.540 --> 02:05:19.880 Right on. 02:05:21.540 --> 02:05:31.220 All right. Well, Mark, I almost said Matt. Mark, you are the guest here. Do you have anything else you would like to say before we sign off? 02:05:32.280 --> 02:05:34.740 No, just thank you for having me. This is fun. 02:05:35.340 --> 02:06:03.600 It's good to see you, man. Yeah, it is. Yeah, definitely good to see you. I got very excited when I saw your email. Yeah, good to meet you, man. Yes. Yeah, this is a lot of fun. All right. Well, when the world starts spinning again, we will see you again at a show at Atlas or wherever. Absolutely. All right. No, you're in. I'm going to be at your house. I'm going to be in that room. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you're totally invited to that if you want. He'll be the scribe. 02:06:06.660 --> 02:06:33.640 Okay, fucking George said this. Okay. You'll be like the real-time scrubbing. George, wait, stop. Slow down. Say that again. Okay. All right, go. Spell that fucking Finnish weird bullshit. And then you're going to get on the Google machine and you'll be like, Matt, that year full of shit. That doesn't exist. That doesn't exist. Of real-time rankings of what albums are at the top. Like, that's my jam. Like a ticker across the top of the webpage. 02:06:36.340 --> 02:07:04.260 Like the stock market. Yeah. All right. Metalhead scribe. Is that above or below the metalhead's butler in the Mbekin? Well, it just depends. Is scribe going to give us beer, too? I've always got that, yeah. All right. Well, you know, TR is going to have some competition, then. Where is TR? I miss TR. I know. 02:07:04.780 --> 02:07:34.740 I haven't seen him since Decibel. He's got a voice and a face for radio. I would hazard a guess he's in his house. Good guess. Somewhere up in Northern Maryland. Get the butler on the show. Yeah. Yeah, we should. Make it happen, John. Okay. All right. All right. Well, this is dragging on and I think it's time to think a little bit of beer. I think it's time to 02:07:34.780 --> 02:08:03.200 to call it. All right, man. Yeah. We'll talk to you guys on Friday. Yep. Thanks for coming on, Mark. Yeah. Thanks, everybody. We'll be in touch. Later. Take care, guys. Bye. Bye. Hello, and welcome to the Metal Heads Podcast. My name is George. This is Will. This is John. This is Matt. This is Marcus. And we are joined today by the guys from Brimminghorn Meadery. Please introduce yourselves. 02:08:04.780 --> 02:08:34.580 John Talkington. I'm J.R. Walker. Thank you for coming on, guys. We've met you before, and we've wanted to have you on for a while, but we just never got around to it. So now we are. So welcome, and thanks for coming on. Glad to be here. All right, so you guys are in Milton, Delaware, which is on the Eastern Shore-ish. You're definitely in the path of all the beach traffic because I and my wife go to the beach a lot, and we have been by there. Yes. 02:08:34.780 --> 02:09:04.720 But obviously during the pandemic, you guys are not open to the public, right? No, we're set up as a bottle shop right now. So I mean, people can come in wearing their masks, of course, and they can get bottles and growlers to go. So that's about that's how we're running the business right now. That's cool. How's your online doing? Because I just ordered from you guys. And the reason I ask is because normally when you order, you package your stuff. It's amazing. The boxes you guys use. Yes. This time it looked like you guys got it out quickly. 02:09:04.800 --> 02:09:34.280 It wasn't the same box. I'm wondering, is that because you've gotten so many orders, you've ran out of boxes? Because that's a good thing. Four times now. We've sold out of boxes four times now. That's amazing. That's great. So second, John, in the awesomeness of that box, the first time I got my quarterly order, I probably had to look at it for about 10 minutes just to figure out how to, you know, like which part, which part, where do I start with this thing? Now I know like the back of my hand, it is by far the best package. 02:09:35.240 --> 02:10:04.100 Awesome. Thanks, guys. So despite the fact that you can't have people in to drink at the bar, are you guys, you know, doing all right with all the other stuff going on then? Yeah, I mean, we're, you know, we're surviving. It's probably the same thing that they, you know, that's going on with Will. You know, you're just trying to make day by day, like most of the time we're usually closed during the week during non-pandemic times. But, you know, now, 02:10:04.760 --> 02:10:34.480 We take orders. People can come in pretty much six days out of the seven days. John and I take Sundays off. We're here six days out of the week and a couple hundred bucks a day. We'll take it. It seems like the key that the breweries and the meaderies and obviously wine is always packaged. But if you're a brewery or a meadery or something and you are not canning or bottling your beer or mead before, you're struggling. 100. Yeah. So luckily, 02:10:34.780 --> 02:11:04.440 I mean, obviously, mead is kind of like more in the vein of wine where, you know, you have a nice bottle that goes with it. You're not, it's not just all draft like some small breweries are. So, yeah, I, we luck out because of the online of our online ability. Like most, you know, I don't think many breweries can ship. I think I, I think I saw our droid theory is shipping, shipping beer. But other than that, I don't, I don't think there's, there's many. And, you know, we know a lot of meaderies now that are struggling because they, 02:11:04.760 --> 02:11:34.520 They go mostly distribution. We don't do any of that. Yeah, being in Maryland, I can't get much shipped here, which is frustrating. Although I only live a half an hour from a droid, so I'm good there. Yeah, the People's Republic of Maryland has some really messed up beer laws and alcohol laws. But I did not realize until like a week ago when my wife got an order of wine in the mail. I was like, wait, what? I was like, how did you do this? 02:11:34.760 --> 02:12:04.740 Nobody Ships to Maryland. And she's like, well, why don't they do? And I'm like, wait. So obviously, first thing I did was I went on to Birmingham. I was like, you fucking do. All right. Well, so I had no idea I could actually order it and get it here. I figured I had to drive up there and get it. Maryland, even though they have a lot of antiquated laws and stuff, it's not nowhere near as bad as Delaware. Like we can't, we can't self distribute. We can't ship within the state. So, you know, it's where we're acting like it's the 02:12:04.780 --> 02:12:10.320 1800s again and everything's run by the uh mom actually you're acting like what 793 is that what i see 02:12:11.400 --> 02:12:18.940 like 792 being in hawaii i was worried because i'm in the burning horn club and i was worried i 02:12:19.060 --> 02:12:34.740 wouldn't be able to get it shipped here but no problem it comes in days so fast well that's that's cool yeah i was we we can ship to hawaii and alaska to two states that i didn't really think that we'd be able to so and thanks for being in the club guys we appreciate it yeah 02:12:34.740 --> 02:12:59.400 You know, I feel like I'm the one who introduced Brimminghorn to all these guys, and I'm the one guy who's not in the club because, well, before you, it all started with goat's blood, but sorry, not you, Markisan. This is like before you joined the podcast, but yeah, I'm the one guy who's not in the club because I think for a while it was closed, but you're saying early, so you're saying there is still memberships available. 02:12:59.840 --> 02:13:27.540 Yeah, we have some now. Basically, we go through every quarter and the people that haven't paid will cut 10 people. Now we just keep filling it and it ends up even in itself out. I need to get on this as soon as it is. I know. I need to figure out how to swing this with God. Essentially. Get it and drink it. 02:13:30.880 --> 02:13:59.800 I like beer and all but damn yeah I was gonna ask how would you guys describe mead because I think there's a lot of people out there who don't even know what mead is they might enjoy beer and they may have heard of mead but they might not know what it is liquid yummy I always describe it as a fermentation of honey in water and it it can be wine like it can be beer like it can be cider like you know the sweetness or dryness level is 02:13:59.840 --> 02:14:29.540 all over the place. We make bone dry stuff. We make it carbonated like champagne. We hop. We do some with hops that are tastes like, you know, comes out like an IPA. We do some that are like dessert sweet, like a, you know, like a port or a sherry would be. And then we do some like in the middle range, especially like our Freya's Kiss. A lot of people will say it reminds them of a, like a really good white wine. But we're, I mean, we're kind of, we cover the spectrum of like flavors, 02:14:29.800 --> 02:14:58.160 and colors and aromas and all that with mead. But, you know, mead's always a fermented beverage from honey. So I do want to back up from back to your first statement, because you literally just said you can you can make me by fermenting honey and water. So you are literally Jesus Christ because you can turn water into a wine like substance. You can ferment water. Oh, my God. 02:14:59.800 --> 02:15:29.720 So, you know, when we have bands on during these war journals, I tend to ask them if they're using the downtime to work on new music. Obviously, that is not applicable here. However, I was wondering if you're using, technically, I guess you don't have downtime, but to reformat that question, are you thinking of like new flavors and different? You're probably doing that all the time, aren't you? Oh, yeah, we're always doing that. Yeah, always doing that. 02:15:29.800 --> 02:15:59.780 always researching, always trying to find new fruits, different varieties of honey, different spices to work with. That's just awesome. Are you, has your production slowed though because of this? I'm assuming. Yeah. Well, I mean, we've kind of slowed down, kind of slowed down. Uh, we had a lot of stuff aging in barrels, so we're actually getting the time to actually bottle it now. Um, so that's good. But I mean, I got like three empty tanks right now. Usually they're all full, but, um, hopefully this week they'll be all 02:16:01.140 --> 02:16:29.500 Yeah, because I know at Atlas, the production has slowed down. So all the extra time that the brewers have, cleaning, doing deep cleaning. Of each other or the facility? Yeah, they're like cats. Grooming and picking the gnats out of each other's beards and stuff. How'd you guys first get involved in meat making? You know, what was your first taste of meat? What prompted you to start Bremming Horn? Good question. 02:16:30.040 --> 02:16:59.780 Oh, I started making mead when I was 16 years old. Wait a minute. He was living in Denmark at the time. Why didn't I think of that in high school? Actually, George, there was a guy in my, I went to high school with all four years. I think he was brewing in his basement. His parents didn't know that he was doing it for, because they had a crawl space off of one of the rooms that you can 02:16:59.820 --> 02:17:29.780 He could literally almost half stand up and I think he brewed for like his whole senior year. They have no clue he had beer down in the basement. Oh, that's awesome. See, all the people I knew were they weren't brewing things. They were growing things. We used to go to his house and drink beers and nobody knew. Anyway, yes, please answer that. Yeah, my family was pretty cool with me experimenting with stuff. So I says, hey, I want to start making this mead. So it was called Semma. It was like a Finnish style lemonade type mead, kind of like a 02:17:29.840 --> 02:17:59.780 Mike's Hard Lemonade, but it was made with honey and raisins and yeast. And that was the first thing I fermented. And I got into beer making. So I was home brewing beer. And then just kind of went from there. I really got into mead. I ended up, you know, winning medals and sending in my meads that I would make at home to competitions. And then I ended up moving to Delaware when I was in my mid-20s and got a, got 02:17:59.820 --> 02:18:29.480 I had a dogfish head. So I brewed beer for a number of years. And then I wanted to go commercial with the meat. Me and this guy here, we became friends. And how did you guys hook up? I used to work in a liquor store and a friend of John's, but John and I are both heathen. So, you know, North, the North, the North mythology stuff is, you know, near and dear to us. So I'm heavily tattooed. So as John, you know, I always wear a Thor's hammer. 02:18:29.540 --> 02:18:59.460 And a buddy of his from Dogfish came in. He's like, hey, there's somebody that you should talk to. And John stopped in. And we've been pretty much friends ever since. So it's probably going on 10 years or so, I bet. Yeah, 10, 12 years. I got to ask you guys. I got to interrupt and ask you. Have you watched the Netflix show The Last Kingdom? Yes. Who do you root for, the Danes or the English? It's really difficult because Uhtred is still a pagan. Yeah, he is. 02:18:59.540 --> 02:19:10.639 for him and you know they're all named utrid son of utrid and my son's name is utrid i just started watching norse man 02:19:15.099 --> 02:19:20.300 um i only bring that because it reminds me of you guys every time you talk you know it's all vikings and 02:19:20.320 --> 02:19:27.580 stuff danish vikings but um my wife and i just binge watched season four or five or whatever the latest 02:19:27.580 --> 02:19:57.560 season was. We're now in withdrawal. Is that based on those books? I feel like I have the first book from that. Yeah. Yeah, I think it is. Yeah. I remember somebody saying it's based on a book. That's cool. So one of the things I wanted to explain, like why, granted, like we're obviously a very beer centric podcast and Markisan, you need to chime in at some point and let them know how much mead you make at home because Markisan is our resident mead expert on the 02:19:59.279 --> 02:20:27.520 I don't make any mead now. He drinks more mead than any of us. Yeah. Every episode of the podcast, I don't think there's ever been an episode of the podcast or Markisan. If he's drinking, he's, he's definitely drinking mead and it's usually your guy's stuff. If it wasn't when he was in Chicago, it was anyway, he can explain it, but he's usually pretty fucked up on it. Thanks for talking to me. It's like your text. I want you to explain it later, but what I want to do get to is like, why? 02:20:27.600 --> 02:20:57.560 the metalheads podcast having a meadery on exactly and the reason why is this is the this is the biggest goddamn sorry heathen paganistic uh and they like metal yeah they like metal so um how about that how about you tell us uh how both of you how did you get into metal and what do you like so uh john and i both have been into metal since we've been kids but um the reason that we did 02:20:57.600 --> 02:21:27.560 the whole like mead and metal thing. I've played in black metal bands for 15 years. What do you play? Uh, base. So, uh, you know, I made a lot of, made a lot of friends and, uh, one of my, one of my close friends, uh, Chuck Sherwood, who's the bass player for incantation. Um, he used to be in a band called blood storm and his band and our band played all the time together on the East coast. So, uh, I ran into him and, uh, came in, uh, my buddy, John makes really awesome mead. Cause 02:21:27.580 --> 02:21:57.560 Chuck's a heathen too so he was uh you know super excited and uh what do you think about you know doing something with Incantation and it's kind of went from there and then it just springboard it off we're on I think we're on like our 14th or 15th collaboration it's been it's been pretty pretty awesome to uh work with a lot of these bands so but uh to get back to your one question like what do I mostly listen to is mostly like black metal and death metal but I like a lot of indie rock too what what got you into metal 02:21:57.600 --> 02:22:24.560 I listen to Lady Gaga. I'm not fucking judging anybody. No, but we judge you. I don't care. It's my podcast. Fuck you. I love you. What got you into metal, JR? Honestly, I don't really know. I didn't have an older brother or anything. I'd watch Headbangers Ball as a kid. 02:22:27.860 --> 02:22:33.040 came on and stuff and you know carcass and that was you know that was my kind of like 02:22:33.480 --> 02:22:41.520 late 90s uh mid to late well probably early 90s like you know because i was into like megadeth and 02:22:41.660 --> 02:22:47.980 overkill and nuclear assault and stuff as a kid and then uh i happened to find uh dismember is like an 02:22:47.980 --> 02:22:54.760 ever-flowing stream i did the cover of it was just like this looks pretty cool and it was classic 02:22:54.760 --> 02:23:24.280 Yeah, it was gone from there. That's probably my favorite death metal album of all time. Cool. John, what about you? My brother listened to a lot of metal grownups. My brother's 11 years older than me, so he listened to stuff like Quiet Riot and Rat. Me too. Blue Oyster, Cole, a lot of the more old school stuff, Iron Maiden. I think when I was a little kid, I really loved Motley Crue. Remember when Shout at the Devil came out? 02:23:26.639 --> 02:23:54.740 I think when that came out I bought on cassette Kmart when it came out because it said shout at the devil so that means I'm like four years older than you if you were in second grade I was in sixth grade when that came out I'm 43 48 but uh I got into it through that and uh do you remember the solid gold show oh yeah yeah they had twisted sister on there and I was like oh my god I want this I gotta have 02:23:54.740 --> 02:24:24.200 album and my mom went out and bought it for me. I was, I am, unfortunately Jay's not here cause he'll back me up on this, but I was the hugest Twisted Sister fan in the eighties. Still. Oh yeah. They were awesome. Stay hungry. He was on when I was in junior high, that was a constant rotation. D Snyder and his whole like anti PMRC thing going in front of the, the, the, the Senate talk or whatever. We used to cover a Twisted Sister song, you know, when we were playing, but it, you know, it was more of a black version. 02:24:24.760 --> 02:24:54.640 Before Dimmo Borger came along to start. Burn in Hell? Yeah, that's a song we played too. We're like, fuck. Nice. The Irish bands were good because he sent me links to them and I listened to all his bands. Really good. Oh, thank you. You're still playing, right? No, no. No? We're trying to get the, we recorded an album in 2006 and our singer died. Then our drummer is Chris Grigg from Woe. So we decided, you know, we just kind of decided, 02:24:54.740 --> 02:25:24.340 to mix the album. We're going to try to get that out here at some point. Awesome. Try to raise the money for his son. That's great. So you guys, can you talk about any upcoming collaborations you might have with metal bands or maybe just new styles of mead that you're working on right now? We just released a mead and metal collab yesterday. We're working with High Priestess. Female Doom Metal Band from California. 02:25:25.480 --> 02:25:53.900 My wife knows their guitarist pretty well. They went to school together. So we did a mead for them. It's flavored with hibiscus, blood orange, and vanilla beans. So it's got like a creamsicle finish to it. Nice. Super bright red. It's a really neat color and really good mead. Yeah, we have another thing coming out with the Huntsman at some point for their new album. 02:25:54.760 --> 02:26:01.280 And then Chrome Waves in September, we'll be doing a meet for those guys. 02:26:01.680 --> 02:26:06.400 How do you hook up with bands to do these? Do you reach out to them? Do they reach out to you? How's that work? 02:26:06.900 --> 02:26:15.940 It's kind of been a little bit of both. So the second meet that we did, we did with Junius, who's one of my all-time favorite bands. 02:26:16.840 --> 02:26:45.160 A good friend of mine, they opened for them, and one of his friends went to school with all those guys. So he put me in touch with Joseph, who's the singer, and he was all about it. And then he kind of introduced me to Steve Joe, who is part of Prosthetic. So we became friends with Steve. And I got an email from the dudes in Rosetta because they did a split with Junius. So then we worked with Rosetta. 02:26:46.080 --> 02:27:15.900 And then with being friends with Prosthetic, then we hooked up with the Atlas Moth and Baraja and Huntsman. Nice. So yeah, it's been pretty awesome. And then of course we do the Philly Beer and Metal Festival. And Albert kind of helps us with that too. So we got to work with Enslaved last year, which was... That was some amazing... So did Albert and Despo hook you up with Enslaved or did you guys do it directly? 02:27:16.620 --> 02:27:46.040 Albert hooked us up with with Ivar and their manager and Ivar and John kind of worked on the on the meat together you were going to be the special one too because didn't it wasn't there ingredients from Norway yeah yeah either sent me it was a Norwegian sea salt they call it snow salt and it's a it's like this company that makes it Norway they go out and harvest the salt and so he sent that and that was part of it and then we added juniper berries 02:27:46.060 --> 02:27:53.920 and spruce tips in it just because those are common ingredients in Norwegian beers and meads. 02:27:54.140 --> 02:28:11.520 Yeah, I definitely remember when we saw it. Well, we've all met you at the Decimal Metal and Beer Fest, but we all had the mead. And I distinctly remember the juniper berries because it had like a gin-type flavor to it, which I really enjoyed. 02:28:12.080 --> 02:28:41.180 Yeah, that was really good. You guys were going to do a mead for this year before Decibel got canceled. Is that something you're still going to be doing next year when the show is back on? Yeah, we were supposed to be working with Satan at this year's Decibel Fest. The band, not the deity. Yeah, we worked with Spirit Adrift for the California. We flew out to California for the Decibel. 02:28:42.140 --> 02:29:11.040 festival out there that was pretty that was pretty cool uh the prosthetic guys took us all around and you know i don't know if you guys know ej uh the owner of prosthetic but he drove us around and kind of showed us different different spots in uh california and then we worked with spirited drift dudes which is funny because none of those guys drink their drummer does so their drummer took all their meat so that's good to know it's always awkward when we bring somebody on here and we're all like so hi 02:29:11.040 --> 02:29:41.020 How you guys doing? And they're like, yeah, we don't drink. We're like, oh. All right, then. Moving on. I'll never forget. I had a bong ripper came and played Atlas. And we, even before we knew they were going to play, we made a beer called Hasawodo. Hail Satan, Worship Doom. And so I was all excited that we made a new batch of it when they were actually going to come play Atlas. And then I walked up to Dennis, the 02:29:41.040 --> 02:29:43.620 I'm like the lead guy, I can't say lead singer because there's no singing, but 02:29:44.360 --> 02:29:46.900 and I'm like, hey man, you want to try this beer? You know, it's called Hasawodo, 02:29:47.010 --> 02:29:52.060 hell, same way you're doing. Like we serve this and that's parked to like thousands of people. He's like, I don't drink, man. 02:29:54.800 --> 02:29:57.300 I only took, I'm in, was it Bomb Ripper? 02:29:58.160 --> 02:29:58.300 Yeah. 02:29:59.699 --> 02:30:02.480 That's funny. You guys do some awesome stuff at Atlas, man. 02:30:03.550 --> 02:30:06.260 I am jealous of some of the bands that you guys get. 02:30:06.870 --> 02:30:09.520 And thank you for the Shape of Despair stuff. I love that. 02:30:09.650 --> 02:30:10.880 Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely, man. 02:30:10.980 --> 02:30:40.840 That was a good show. I remember him saying, I got to get some stuff for you. So I remember that. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny because I remember like way before the show, you were messaging me. And then for some reason, I reached out to John like, hey, John, like what size was it? Or what did you want? He's like, no, you're talking. It's the other guy. I'm like, oh, yeah. Well, you know, and I also felt bad the other day because I just, 02:30:40.960 --> 02:31:10.940 I just I never let I never check my Twitter direct messages and just the other day I was looking at them and I was like oh wow there's there's a whole bunch of direct messages oh there's one from the guy from Brimminghorn like I felt like it was like back from back in November yeah and I was like I just need to give you guys my phone number my email address or something because yeah direct message or Twitter is not the way to go yeah no I agree yeah yeah not the way to go for me because I just I turned off all my Twitter notifications I 02:31:10.960 --> 02:31:40.860 I still check it once in a while. But I turned off the notifications because it gives me notifications for people I don't even know. And so it's like every three minutes there's a new notification. I'm like, I don't know who you are. Yeah. You don't know and you don't care about. Yeah. So I turned off the notifications and one of our last guests, Dan Clanchar, I believe. Clanchar. Clanchar had messaged me like a month ago and I was like, oops, sorry, I didn't notice. Anyway. 02:31:41.979 --> 02:32:09.820 But getting back to that, we should do some sort of braggate, a mead-beer collaboration between Brimminghorn and Atlas. So once all this is kind of over or settled down and we're back to normal production, then yeah, I'll bring it up to management. And if you guys are still interested, I'm assuming. Oh, yeah, that'd be fun to do. Yeah. Yeah, because we can do a session mead version of it here. You know, it can't have malt or barley, but, you know, we can do a braggate. 02:32:09.880 --> 02:32:39.820 It released a bracket with you guys and then you can come up here if you want and we can make it a session version and have it for sale up here as well. Session? Session? Layoffs? Session? Our session meads are 8% alcohol. Okay. I guess it's all relative. That's what I love about Pricing Horn. And getting back to what Will was saying earlier about me making mead. I made mead for a long time. 02:32:39.880 --> 02:33:09.800 since of my early 20s. So, you know, we never really tried to sell it or anything because we just drank it so fast. But I made it with my buddy in Wisconsin. He lived out in the woods. And so we actually built like a mead containment center and dug it in the basement. And it was made out of plywood and insulation. It was great. Mead containment center. That sounds like something that would hold ghosts and ghostbusters. But our mead was always really strong and sweet. Like we would leave it in there for a long time, like a year. 02:33:09.860 --> 02:33:39.800 And so I was disappointed when I would try other meads because they were more like session meads or they were cut with something horrible. And then when I found Brimminghorn, you know, I had the mead and I was like, this is great. This is more like what I make. And then found out that he did these collaborations with metal bands and that was just the icing on the cake. So I love how strong the meads are and the different flavors. I'm not as big on the fruit mead. 02:33:39.880 --> 02:34:09.840 Like right now I'm drinking the apples of Hesperides. It's a club exclusive. It's good. I actually am getting more used to the those flavors with fruits and stuff, but I really like the more traditional strong meats and you guys do a really good job with those. Like the ones with goat blood in it. Yeah. Can I say that I was not a meat fan years and years ago. I was I mean, I, you know, I'm into Vikings and 02:34:09.860 --> 02:34:39.080 I'm not nearly as dedicated as you guys, but I do love the mythology and the culture. And the muscular men. And the muscular men, to be honest, yes. No. Skull, George. And so, like 20 some odd years ago, when I still lived in Michigan, I bought a bottle of mead. I was like, I gotta try some mead. And it was like the only thing, you know, they had in the store. And I don't even know what it was anymore. But I hated it. I was like, oh, this is, ugh. 02:34:39.860 --> 02:35:09.600 Mead sucks. And so that was my opinion for like 20 odd years until Will, who is no longer in the picture, Will came along and said, dude, we're going to have, it was like a mid-year or a year end, probably a mid-year, I think. And he's like, I've got this stuff called goat's blood. It's an incantation mead. You got to try this. And we had that, George, Will and I had that with Blake. We did an episode. 02:35:09.860 --> 02:35:39.820 Blake. We were recording and I remember looking over. Oh, Blake, the other Blake. Yes. Blake from Atlas. But yeah. And I remember looking at him in his basement. It's just like, I don't want to do this podcast anymore. I want to sit here and drink for a while. You guys are making me so sad because I haven't had that need. Well, I told Will, I even got to keep the bottle. And so from that moment on, I was like, oh, mead, I need to know more. And yeah, and while I've had a couple others, I'm, I'm, 02:35:39.860 --> 02:36:09.840 I'm I'm I'm my heart is with you oh thank you thanks George I mean I'll say I was fairly oblivious I mean like most things in life I have no idea what the fuck is ever going on but we did talk about Brimminghorn on here and the piece of it was that the club I believe was full and so nobody was getting on and like I do most times when we podcast I drink and I do stupid shit with my computer and I thought you know what normally I'm buying stuff but tonight I'm like well if they say I can't get in this club I'm gonna try and get in this club and I did 02:36:09.840 --> 02:36:39.720 And then it had been like the exact time where y'all had opened it up to like a certain block of more people could join. I'm like, Oh my God, I got in. This is amazing. And then, you know, the first shipment showed up and I loved it. I mean, it's kind of like this little treat I kind of set aside. I don't drink too much of because I don't want it to see it go. But now I've gotten three shipments. I actually need to spend some time doing it. But, you know, it's definitely a nice alternative to beer and wine. You know, it's just, 02:36:39.860 --> 02:37:08.820 I would like to get some of the Vikings blood, as you call it. But I've very much been enjoying the quarterly packages. I like that. Sorry, I stepped away because all this talk of me. The only meat I had in my house was Charm City. How is that? I've seen that in the store and I'm like, it's not Birmingham and I don't buy it. You know, it's I'm not an official. The only thing I'm an officiator of is goat's blood. 02:37:09.980 --> 02:37:38.500 So I don't know if you talked about that. I did. I talked about how my moment of when you brought that over. Yeah. But my question is, when are you going to make it again? Either your brains or your signature are going to be on that recipe. So when are you making it again? Even if you don't call it that, be like, well, we want to make it, but we don't want it. We're not, you know, in with them. We're going to call it this, even though it's the same thing. 02:37:39.460 --> 02:38:07.780 Yeah, we're actually planning on making that one again because we've had, oh, geez, probably at least 50 or 60 people asked if we're going to make it again. It may have a different name, but if the guys in Incantation are okay with letting us release another batch, it'll keep its name. They probably will be. So my question, my first question is, why would they not be cool with it? Sometimes bands are dicks. 02:38:08.360 --> 02:38:38.340 No, no, no. I mean, we don't think there'd be any issue, but I mean, Incantation is such a bigger band. Like most of the bands we work with, they're like kind of like that mid-tier level, like Incantation's on that bigger thing. But because we're such good friends with Chuck, they just let Chuck handle it. And if Chuck tells them that it's a good thing to do, then it's golden. So I know Chuck wants it again. And we did finally get to actually meet John, John McKenty, and he really liked it. So yeah, it'll probably 02:38:41.401 --> 02:38:42.440 We interviewed 02:38:43.940 --> 02:38:44.600 John Mac and Cheese 02:38:45.581 --> 02:38:47.220 as he's affectionately called 02:38:48.180 --> 02:38:49.460 at the Metal Beer Fest 02:38:49.750 --> 02:38:51.960 and I think we talked about goat's blood quite a bit 02:38:53.160 --> 02:38:54.600 Yeah I think maybe that was the episode 02:38:54.840 --> 02:38:56.960 where he thought there was really actual goat's blood 02:38:57.080 --> 02:38:57.300 in it 02:38:59.000 --> 02:39:01.380 He was probably disappointed when he found out there wasn't 02:39:01.650 --> 02:39:02.660 What? No goat's blood? 02:39:03.650 --> 02:39:04.600 False advertising 02:39:05.221 --> 02:39:08.340 We can't actually reveal anything 02:39:09.380 --> 02:39:38.320 I'll buy the shit out of that if it comes up again so. Me too I mean Incantation is my favorite death metal band so I really want that and Brilling Orden's my favorite meadery so I need that. I guess that's right Markisan we had that before you joined the podcast because we've all I think we've all had it. Wait did you have it Matt? No. Oh well alright so John George and I had it. Yes. We've had it twice while you and I. Yeah. That's how I got to know you guys is I ordered it 02:39:38.320 --> 02:40:08.300 As soon as soon as I saw some press thing about it and then I saw this I'm like I need to get this and then when I had I was like this is amazing like literally I will stop drinking beer for the rest of my life if I can have that I think that's the effect that I'm not just blowing smoke like that's how this whole that's how this whole I mean it will do you remember what I said to you about about it when we had it your house I said there's only one beer that I would put above this that I've had and that was King George or King Henry from before 02:40:08.340 --> 02:40:16.280 got bought out from bourbon county which was that barley wine that was made with the um oh i can't think of the 02:40:17.040 --> 02:40:22.000 the um the barrels they use for it and it's only been made i think once and i said these are the top two i've 02:40:22.060 --> 02:40:29.780 ever had so for anything so i'm down again i mean we talk about bring more in every episode because i drink 02:40:30.140 --> 02:40:35.080 i know it comes up all the time always bring my heart that should like your profile like Markisan should 02:40:35.100 --> 02:41:04.460 It would just be you pouring it into a glass. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We need some sort of like kickbacks. Which, you know, we make absolutely zero. So as long as you send us zero, we're good. We're on. The books are good. That can be arranged. You guys mentioned. Two more podcasts. So we, you know, we send you some stuff. You guys mentioned working with Incantation being a top tier band and you've worked with Enslaved and Matt Barlow. How was it overall working with those, those bigger bands? Because. 02:41:05.100 --> 02:41:34.280 Sometimes it's easier to work with more mid-range or lower bands because they might be more into it. But you guys have hit some heavy hitters in the metal scene. Barlow lives right out by you guys. Yeah, he's local. Matt is probably one of the most humble guys you'll ever meet. He's super nice. Yeah, I've met him. He's coming in tomorrow, actually. Wow. Yeah, he's just such a good guy. Tell him we said hi. Definitely will. 02:41:35.080 --> 02:41:37.280 He's a police officer 02:41:41.020 --> 02:41:42.120 Just easy going 02:41:42.520 --> 02:41:42.940 Very humble 02:41:43.870 --> 02:41:45.020 Always has something good to say 02:41:47.199 --> 02:41:48.740 Can't say anything bad about me 02:41:48.880 --> 02:41:49.260 Nope 02:41:49.820 --> 02:41:52.620 Talked to him a couple times and he's just been amazing every time 02:41:53.040 --> 02:41:55.180 I'll be honest I'm kind of glad he is a police officer 02:41:55.360 --> 02:41:56.880 Because he's not using his voice as much 02:41:56.930 --> 02:41:58.480 So every time he does release something 02:41:59.120 --> 02:42:00.560 He sounds like he did 20 years ago 02:42:00.720 --> 02:42:01.260 It's amazing 02:42:01.260 --> 02:42:30.180 He sang in here live for his birthday. When was that? In March? In March. It was incredible. Oh, man. I think you and I were talking about that at Desk. We were talking about him. I'm not a huge IceRs fan. I like them, but I really like him. I just think he's a great singer. Oh, yeah. The one time I got to meet him, he was playing with Ashes of Aries in Baltimore. 02:42:31.260 --> 02:43:00.900 the power plant area, not at Rams head, but at this place. Something, something angels rock bar. No, it's, it's right across from the power. It's right across from Rams head. It's the upstairs angels rock bar. I think it's called. And like this, the, the stage is like this tall. And so I had like one leg up on the stage and I'm like, okay, sing to me, Matt. And he's just like, and I'm like, you know, 02:43:01.260 --> 02:43:30.240 It was awesome. And we got to do an interview with him and it was great. That's cool. Like I am, I don't know who Ice Earth is. Like, you know, my childhood was, you know, Norwegian black metal. So I tell John, I was like, hey, man, there's this Matt Barlow guy following us on Twitter. He said he's interested in stopping at the meadery and John's like, wait, who? I'm like, I don't know, man, I guess so. Oh, wow. 02:43:32.199 --> 02:44:01.180 Dude has got some pipes. Yeah. Yeah. All my friends hated me because they're like, you know, Matt Marlowe. I'm just like, yeah. And you don't like Ice Earth. I'm like, I never listened to him. I don't know. That's awesome. Should we ask him about their metal albums, George? Yeah, exactly. So I mentioned this at some point when we were talking about this and I mentioned it again, I think yesterday or this morning, my time already. 02:44:01.440 --> 02:44:01.900 together anymore. 02:44:03.199 --> 02:44:06.300 But I asked you about your top five quarantine albums. 02:44:08.699 --> 02:44:10.340 And did you guys come up with anything? 02:44:11.420 --> 02:44:12.380 Oh, yeah, we did. 02:44:12.440 --> 02:44:13.780 Are you are you looking for metal albums? 02:44:13.890 --> 02:44:16.220 Are you looking for just it can be whatever you want it to be. 02:44:16.320 --> 02:44:20.440 But just I'll just say give us your five, four, three, two, one. 02:44:20.540 --> 02:44:22.740 And then I mean, we prefer metal. 02:44:24.060 --> 02:44:25.640 Obviously, we prefer metal, but it doesn't. 02:44:25.640 --> 02:44:27.080 I don't care what anything's going to happen. 02:44:27.080 --> 02:44:27.960 It doesn't have to be. 02:44:28.140 --> 02:44:54.140 If you're like, dude, I'm going to listen to some fucking mayhem and some Joan Baez, then whatever. Easy listening is totally cool. We may make fun of you, but it's cool. Yeah. It doesn't matter. I get made fun of all the time. We're used to it. So my top five quarantine albums would be Typo Negative, October Rust. 02:44:58.140 --> 02:45:00.620 coming down. Dang. Uh, 02:45:01.100 --> 02:45:01.540 Iced Earth, 02:45:01.820 --> 02:45:03.060 something wicked this way comes. 02:45:03.520 --> 02:45:04.140 Love that. 02:45:06.039 --> 02:45:07.400 Metallica master of puppets. 02:45:07.830 --> 02:45:08.300 Of course. 02:45:09.200 --> 02:45:11.860 And theory in a secret of the runes. 02:45:12.220 --> 02:45:12.440 Wow. 02:45:12.920 --> 02:45:13.340 Nice. 02:45:13.920 --> 02:45:15.080 Those would be my top five. 02:45:15.220 --> 02:45:16.500 We don't hear about them enough. 02:45:16.900 --> 02:45:17.040 No, 02:45:17.100 --> 02:45:18.400 that was a surprise poll right there. 02:45:18.560 --> 02:45:18.660 Yeah. 02:45:20.219 --> 02:45:22.960 But not surprising considering you guys actually. 02:45:23.220 --> 02:45:23.360 Yeah. 02:45:24.740 --> 02:45:53.240 I like theory. Yeah, me too. My favorite is the Thelai album that's got Don's Fano on the vocals. Oh, yeah. That one's great. I love that one. All right. Mine is so number five for me is the new And Ocean's album, Cosmic World Mother. Wow. Yeah, that's good stuff. You've been talking about them on email. Yeah, I was a huge, huge fan of the very, you know, 02:45:53.380 --> 02:46:23.280 The Very First Album Dynamic Gallery of Thoughts. And this came out and just like, all right, this is incredible. So number four is Sigur Rós's Agiades Birian. I love those. Yeah, that took me kind of out of like just being like, I only listen to metal, you know, and was a huge influence in our band as well. It's Icelandic. I mean, come on. Yeah, it's got to be great. So Junius is, 02:46:23.360 --> 02:46:29.820 I martyred him for a catastrophe nice it's a that's a great album uh another new one 02:46:30.260 --> 02:46:35.980 that that really took me off guard was this band called sleep token it's an album called sundowning 02:46:36.360 --> 02:46:43.140 um I don't even I don't even really know how to kind of uh describe them it's I feel like I saw you talk 02:46:43.230 --> 02:46:53.340 about them on Facebook yeah I I love them they got a really crazy marketing aspect but like uh they're considered a metal band but you know it's it's a 02:46:53.380 --> 02:47:22.860 with like a guy that would be singing pop rock. I don't know. It's like a really awesome version of Ghost. A ghost that I don't like. I was just going to say Ghost, but I was going to say it disparagingly for me. Ghost. And my number one, which usually always takes people by surprise, is the first Blind Melon album. Wow. Huge shame. Wow. Big girl. Huge fan. 02:47:23.340 --> 02:47:53.280 That's like the only Blind Melon album, isn't it? They had another one called Soup that was really good too. Was that with the dead guy? That was after him, wasn't it? No, no, no. That was right before he died. He finished that album. Hey, JR. Shannon Hoon? Am I getting that? Hey, JR, you definitely took us by surprise, by the way. Yeah. It normally does. People are usually pretty surprised in my enjoyment of Blind Melon. 02:47:54.579 --> 02:48:21.740 Not bad. It's been a long time, but... I love Blind Melon, too. You don't have a Bumblebee outfit, do you? I do not. I do have an ugly Blind Melon sweater, though. A Christmas sweater. We actually make a Blind Melon mead called Sleepy House. It's a chamomile mead. Nice. Oh, you know what? I just thought of something. What do you guys think of this murder hornet? Crazy. 02:48:23.360 --> 02:48:52.800 your bees, man. It's just media. It's media bullshit. Is it? Yeah. Yeah. They only found four hives of them. There was like two, two in Vancouver area. And then there was like two in Washington state. I'm pretty sure they, they killed them off already. Wait, but there was two dead bees though. Right. Total. I mean, they, they are bad news. Cause the, one of them can go into a beehive and just decimate a whole hive. 02:48:53.340 --> 02:48:53.480 Yeah. 02:48:54.900 --> 02:48:56.040 So is this one of those? 02:48:56.400 --> 02:48:57.180 They're like freaking big. 02:48:57.360 --> 02:48:57.960 They're huge. 02:48:58.600 --> 02:48:59.300 Yeah, they're huge. 02:48:59.620 --> 02:49:01.680 This is like a coronavirus, 86,000. 02:49:01.920 --> 02:49:02.920 Murder hornets, two. 02:49:04.380 --> 02:49:06.340 Yeah, but they're like Terminator bees, though. 02:49:06.960 --> 02:49:07.200 Yeah. 02:49:08.000 --> 02:49:13.660 I have a friend who's a master beekeeper, and he goes, yeah, they're a problem, but 02:49:13.660 --> 02:49:14.800 he said, so are other things. 02:49:14.980 --> 02:49:17.060 He's like, bees get all kinds of diseases. 02:49:18.180 --> 02:49:48.160 You know the yellow jackets and stuff go into beehives and you know will kill honeybees but they're keeping an eye on it so I don't think it'll be too much of an issue. Right. How is the state of bees in general though because even before the murder hornets there was all this talk that you know bees are on the decline. In certain areas they are. I mean they know what's causing it. It's pesticides and insecticides. They've known that for years but getting the USDA and FDA and all that to 02:49:48.200 --> 02:49:49.500 actually like say, 02:49:49.660 --> 02:49:49.820 Hey, 02:49:50.360 --> 02:49:51.880 stop using these on the fields. 02:49:53.440 --> 02:49:53.700 Um, 02:49:54.020 --> 02:49:57.620 but I know the last two seasons of like honey production have been great. 02:49:58.320 --> 02:49:59.500 Where do you get your honey from? 02:50:01.280 --> 02:50:01.660 All over, 02:50:01.760 --> 02:50:02.420 all over the place. 02:50:02.960 --> 02:50:03.140 Um, 02:50:03.260 --> 02:50:04.160 we work with two, 02:50:04.640 --> 02:50:04.840 um, 02:50:05.160 --> 02:50:05.700 honey companies, 02:50:06.620 --> 02:50:06.720 uh, 02:50:06.860 --> 02:50:07.900 ones out of Pennsylvania. 02:50:08.400 --> 02:50:10.860 So we buy most of our like wildflower honey from them, 02:50:11.220 --> 02:50:11.780 buckwheat honey. 02:50:12.540 --> 02:50:14.420 And then we work with a company called B seasonal. 02:50:14.740 --> 02:50:15.360 They're out in Arizona. 02:50:16.260 --> 02:50:17.860 He gets us stuff from all over the world. 02:50:17.940 --> 02:50:47.820 So we get honey from Brazil and India and we've gotten honey from Africa before. Just Italy. We might have some honey coming from Germany at some point. Well, that's good news that, you know, the honey production has been up in the last few years. I think it's more of an American thing, though, because it seems, you know, Brazil, Argentina, I mean, the hives are fine. Yeah, we, and the United States tends to use more pesticides on their, on their crops. So it, 02:50:47.940 --> 02:50:51.920 It really hurts the bees because they bring it back into the hive after they've done 02:50:52.500 --> 02:50:54.640 pollinating the flowers and then you get sick bees 02:50:55.840 --> 02:50:59.720 That's interesting to say. It just made me think of when I was a kid. I grew up in the Bay Area in California 02:51:00.460 --> 02:51:05.640 and I remember the fruit fly was a major problem in all those fields because we lived across the street 02:51:06.060 --> 02:51:10.340 you know there you know it was across the highway to all kinds of fields and they were spraying all the time 02:51:10.460 --> 02:51:12.280 because the fruit flies were just decimating everything 02:51:12.939 --> 02:51:15.921 So it's it's a weird catch-22 how that works 02:51:15.920 --> 02:51:16.360 Yeah. 02:51:16.939 --> 02:51:26.480 They get real bad here too. We got a lot of like watermelon fields and stuff and they don't, they just smash them up. So, and then, you know, the fruit flies just are unbearable. 02:51:27.060 --> 02:51:27.780 Yeah. They're bad. 02:51:29.320 --> 02:51:39.160 I was going to ask, is there a band out there that you want to make a mead for? It's like your Holy Grail, you know, a couple of bands that you really are, are, you want to make a mead for? 02:51:40.119 --> 02:51:44.300 Well, getting to work with enslaved was probably one of the top things for me. 02:51:44.420 --> 02:52:14.340 I've been a fan of theirs for 25 years or whatever. Catatonia would be another one that I'd really work with. Brave Murder Mead. Nice, John. And, you know, the biggest problem is it's hard to work with anybody from Europe because we can't get them their mead. You know, when we work with bands, they get, you know, we make them a, we make a certain gallon amount and then they get usually a couple cases for 02:52:14.380 --> 02:52:42.960 for free to just, you know, put it on their social media and stuff like that. So it's pretty good for them. Like, literally, they just, they have to listen to us like fanboy over them a little bit, mostly me. I mean, and I work with Junius too, which, you know, is another just band that I absolutely love. And they were such wonderful guys. So it's, that's probably about it that I could think of. I know, I know John would be typo negative. 02:52:43.360 --> 02:52:43.720 Yeah. 02:52:43.720 --> 02:52:44.060 Yeah. 02:52:44.080 --> 02:52:44.160 Yes. 02:52:44.520 --> 02:52:46.480 Obviously two albums on his list there. 02:52:47.899 --> 02:52:53.160 You guys should talk to Temple of Void because we just interviewed them recently and one of the guys on there drinks mead. 02:52:53.600 --> 02:52:53.700 Yeah. 02:52:53.780 --> 02:52:55.580 So I mentioned Brimming Horn. 02:52:55.630 --> 02:52:56.880 He didn't know about Brimming Horn. 02:52:57.040 --> 02:52:58.140 So he said he was going to look into it. 02:52:58.280 --> 02:53:00.240 But I mean, that'd be a good collaboration, I think. 02:53:00.340 --> 02:53:01.420 Temple of Void. 02:53:02.360 --> 02:53:03.000 Temple of Void. 02:53:03.120 --> 02:53:03.180 Yep. 02:53:03.380 --> 02:53:03.500 Yeah. 02:53:03.720 --> 02:53:05.060 It's Death Dew Metal out of Detroit. 02:53:05.410 --> 02:53:06.560 I mean, they're really good. 02:53:07.420 --> 02:53:35.640 As a black metal fan, I think, and there's no personal stake in this whatsoever, I think you need to make a mead with Thrasenblatt from Canada. Yeah, they were the dudes that used to be in Woods V-Press. Yes, yes. If you'd ever like to get on that, I know Joel very well. Intimately well. Intimately well. I think they're Canadian though, right? Yes. 02:53:37.440 --> 02:54:07.380 ship into Canada. So that's our, that's our, uh, unless he could come in. Well, he could, he's not, he's only like an hour from Maine. So be like, ship it. In fact, the bass player for Throssenblatt lives in Maine. So you ship it to him and he can, he can bring it over the border to Joel. Yeah. Those guys are good. That would be pretty awesome. So, uh, aside from your list, is there 02:54:07.400 --> 02:54:37.380 anything you've been listening to lately? I listen to new stuff all the time. Steve, Joe is probably tired of me sending him bands all the time to listen to. The funny thing, though, is I got, by sending him this band called Fires in the Distance, Prosthetic signed them right away. Really awesome, like, melodic Death Doom band from Connecticut, who are supposed to 02:54:37.400 --> 02:55:07.380 to play our Viking Fest if we do it in September. So fingers crossed. And I helped Autumn for Crippled Children, who's one of my favorite black metal bands right now, or shoegaze bands, whatever they want to be called. So that'd be another band I'd like to work with too, but they're Dutch. So yeah, Fires in the Distance stuff, the new Autumn for Crippled Children, the new Andoceans is incredible. I just heard this band called 02:55:20.101 --> 02:55:23.120 K-A-R-D-A-S-H-E-V. 02:55:23.630 --> 02:55:24.600 All right, look that up. 02:55:25.430 --> 02:55:26.400 Pretty interesting, actually. 02:55:27.090 --> 02:55:28.420 Yeah, it's wild. 02:55:29.420 --> 02:55:32.980 It used to be like a deathcore band, and then kind of went into this. 02:55:33.980 --> 02:55:34.460 Got a clue. 02:55:35.040 --> 02:55:35.560 Yeah. 02:55:39.300 --> 02:55:44.080 Yeah, I mean, I could sit here and list off 50 bands that I've been listening to lately. 02:55:44.280 --> 02:55:46.120 That's my job. That's my job. 02:55:47.820 --> 02:55:50.520 Do you guys listen to metal when you make mead? 02:55:50.940 --> 02:55:53.380 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we always got something blaring. 02:55:54.260 --> 02:55:55.800 What are you listening to right now, John? 02:55:57.280 --> 02:56:02.420 I'm still kind of stuck in the 80s a lot. So I was listening to Armored Saint last night. 02:56:02.680 --> 02:56:04.260 Yes. Which one? Fuck yeah. 02:56:09.779 --> 02:56:33.180 Yeah, I tend to keep going back in the 80s. I love a lot of the new albums out. My heart's still in that 80s metal era. Oh, yeah. We're there. We're with you. Trust me. I know the 80s quite well. I think John graduated from college in the 80s. No, in 90. That's when I graduated high school. 02:56:34.280 --> 02:57:00.040 Anything else you've been listening to? I've been digging the Scandinavian band called Wolfheart. Oh, yeah. I got to see them at Valken up close and personal. That was very nice. Yeah, they're just very fast and melodic and, you know, real harsh vocals. So I dig them a lot. Matt was there. You saw them too. I was there. Yeah. So at the metering, now that you don't have as much traffic, I mean, is there anything you just absolutely love to crank? 02:57:04.320 --> 02:57:34.240 John's here only just because he's usually trying to have important conversations with me. So, you know, an album that I love to just turn up is that band from Olin Moi. Oh, yeah, Migwa. Yeah, Exercise and Sensitility. Oh, that's a great album. That album, Loud, is just really, really awesome. Sweet. Yeah, I mean, pretty much anything. The New And Ocean sounds great, super loud. 02:57:35.720 --> 02:58:04.260 That's the nice thing about metal. Sounds good the louder it gets. Do you guys have a space in the brewery that you could have bands play? Like where you guys are sitting? Do you have a big enough space that if you wanted to start doing that? We can only have bands outside. Basically, if we had anybody in here, the building would probably fall down. It's super small. We're an 1,800 square foot building, and it's about 02:58:04.300 --> 02:58:34.020 900 square feet is our tasting room. And so eventually we're hoping that we can kind of like build like maybe a true mead hall outside, you know, and then we can put a stage in there and have people out. You have stuff though. Is it like across the street? I remember hearing about it because you have like your Viking Fest and all that. No, we have it here. It's just a clusterfuck. There's no parking anywhere. 02:58:34.300 --> 02:59:02.580 Yeah, we rented the field across the street last year for the Viking Fest so people could part. Yeah, that's what I thought. So talk about that Viking Fest. What does that entail? What usually happens to the Viking Fest besides drinking a lot of meat? Pillaging, conquering. So if you see the shield behind the wall or on the wall behind us here, it says party like at 793. So the whole festival is around that. 02:59:04.300 --> 02:59:34.240 is the first Viking raid into England. So that was, they were Norwegian Vikings. They came and raided and that was the year 793. And I think the original date was what, June 8th? June 8th, 793. So we usually have the, yeah, Lindisfarne. Actually, Enslaved has a song. I was going to say, do you play held? Yeah. So we happen to have some Viking reenactors come in, you know, because our bar is a Viking ship and, you know, we have, 02:59:34.300 --> 03:00:04.220 the statues of the gods all over the place. And they were like, hey, we should do some kind of thing with you guys. And I just happened to look up when the actual raid in 793 happened. Happened to be on, like, a Saturday or something two years ago. And I'm like, yeah, let's just figure out something there. So, you know, we got some bands and we got a bunch of vendors to come and a bunch of people dressed up as Vikings. And, you know, it was a pretty good turnout. You know, so we're like, all right, 03:00:04.280 --> 03:00:33.040 We'll do this the second year. The second year was insane. I think we had 800 people or something like that. Like Huntsman came down from Chicago. Fabio from Baraja came down. Dumal. Dumal, Yatra, Stonecutters from Kentucky played. Like, you know, it was pretty crazy. And then those guys were a trip. What we had planned for this year was even better. Like, you know, Chrome Waves was coming. 03:00:34.280 --> 03:01:03.720 We had, you know, we had our headliner was going to be the dudes in Rosetta. So, you know, it was, it was going to be, you know, pretty, pretty legit. And, you know, Vukari was going to play because they were going to be on tour with Chrome Waves at the time. Kim Dilla. Yeah, Kim Dilla. She used to be Bulbatron and Gwar. Yep, yep. Yeah. So she was, she was going to be singing with some of the Chrome Waves stuff. And, you know, we had more vendors this year. And it's, you know, 03:01:04.300 --> 03:01:34.240 The world went to shit. Yeah, it's just been a bummer. Ruined our party. Yeah, because I think they were making a tour of it because Chrome Waves was supposed to play Atlas around that time. Yeah, I was telling Jeff to reach out to you guys. I said the same thing to the dudes in Axioma. They were going to be playing as well. Is Chrome Waves the guy from Ammon Seuss? He was in Noc. He was in Noc. Misfium. Jeff. Jeff Wilson. Yep. Yeah. 03:01:34.300 --> 03:02:04.260 I feel like he was in, oh shit, was he in Wolfhammer for a while? Yes. Yeah, yeah. Good call, good pull. Yeah. Name sounds familiar. And I think their vocalist is from a band called Amiensis out of Minnesota. Yeah, that's what he was saying. Oh yeah, right on. Yeah, George and I have debated over how to say their name, but yeah, it's the same band. Amiensis. I thought so, because I had their first album. That sounded familiar. Yeah, we met them. They played here in Frederick. Oh yeah, Cafe 611. I wouldn't say they played. Wow. 03:02:04.280 --> 03:02:34.260 They used their instruments, not that anybody could hear shit. Yeah, Wolvenham. Is it? Wolvenham played a tattoo? Yes, but it was without the singer who was busy with Skeleton Witch. Did you have Ken from Abigail Williams? I think so. Yeah. Yeah, I think he was on that tour, yeah. We couldn't see because the place was so full of smoke. It was like dry ice on steroids. I just got into that band, Abigail Williams, for the long time. I didn't want to listen to them, and I'm like, all right, I'm going to 03:02:34.300 --> 03:03:03.421 see what the hype is about the last one yeah let's get up that's the one i like yeah i was like okay these guys are pretty pretty cool i mean i don't i don't know ken personally but what i've seen of him like when when i saw him with um the fuck is the band name we would just mention was a wolf hammer wolf and hammer yeah like he was almost like a stand-up comedian i mean he sounded great but just like his commentary in between songs was hilarious but then he also he he seems to just have like a really huge knowledge of music and that is very much appreciated 03:03:07.000 --> 03:03:32.900 Not to mention as prolific as he is, because he's played in a lot of different bands. I even feel like he was in the one out of Chicago with the guy from Cobalt, Charlie Turner. He played... Oh, shit. Oh, sorry. Lord Mantis? Lord Mantis, thank you. I feel like he was in there for a while. He's been in a ton of different bands. 03:03:33.420 --> 03:04:03.400 Yeah, I mean, that's cool. So given that you guys celebrate the Vikings invading England, how do you feel about the English? Are you like, fuck the English? I will remind you that my last name is Cook. Oh, I'm like very English, but I still like the Vikings better. My last name is Talkington, which is very English as well. Yeah, Washburn is 03:04:03.420 --> 03:04:33.340 with throwing E on there and it's very English. But still, I don't take offense. I would say that we, you know, we asked to see your ancestry background, but we have to check in when we come over to the meadery. Yeah. Yeah. You have to have at least, you know, 0.3% Scandinavian. Yeah. Well, according to my, according to my grandmother, we can trace our ancestry back to Tancred, the Tancred, the, that little terrible or some shit, some Viking guy. 03:04:33.420 --> 03:05:02.420 But his name's Tankred, so I got a little bit in there. Wait, isn't that a band from the 80s? No, not Tankred. Tankred. Well, George, you have blood that is now in Norway. Yes, my sister married in her region and lives in Tromsø, which is above the Arctic Circle at the very top of Norway, where they are still getting a shit ton of snow today. You don't have to go to Norway to get snow. It's been snowing in Buffalo. Yeah. 03:05:03.440 --> 03:05:33.240 It's funny, they don't have any mead in Norway, really. The other Scandinavian countries that have mead, but Norway. I was there. My sister brings me Akavit, but they got over six feet of snow there this year. I love Norway. It's my favorite place I've ever been. Sounds like Tahoe, where I used to live. We're trying to get over to Midgard's Bloat at some point in time. It's like a big music festival, and they had Viking reenactment. 03:05:33.440 --> 03:06:01.300 and they actually do like a bloat before like they open up for the music fest and all that. Pretty cool. Yeah, they have a Viking festival every year on the Lofoten Islands. And that's what I went to when I went to Norway a couple years ago. And it was amazing because they have, you know, a replica of the like the meat hall and everything because they had excavated one and found it. And so they made one exactly like it used to be. It was crazy. 03:06:03.440 --> 03:06:31.760 a renaissance vessel, but way better because they have blacksmiths working on it, on weapons. They've got a lake there. They have ships coming in. It was insane. Yeah. Tromso is where the prison is that Varg was in. And so when I was there, I was like, hey, motherfucker, because he was still there at the time. He's in France now. Yeah. In France. Yeah. Let's find out. Awesome. 03:06:35.279 --> 03:06:39.180 Why don't you guys tell everybody where they can find like Brimminghorn and 03:06:40.040 --> 03:06:43.400 can they order mead, you know, where they can go to find out more. 03:06:45.280 --> 03:06:47.720 So we can ship to 42 different states. 03:06:49.560 --> 03:06:52.680 Hawaii and Alaska being two of those 42. 03:06:53.120 --> 03:06:53.780 But not Delaware. 03:06:54.460 --> 03:06:54.980 But not Delaware. 03:06:55.180 --> 03:06:56.000 Where you are. 03:06:56.240 --> 03:06:56.900 That's funny. 03:06:57.100 --> 03:06:57.880 Have to come here. 03:06:59.520 --> 03:07:03.120 Yeah, you can go to our website, BrimminghornMeadery.com. 03:07:03.180 --> 03:07:32.740 On the tab, there's a buy or meet section. You just click there and you just pick what you want. It sends us a UPS ticket and a packing slip. We pack it and send it. And the toughest boxes ever made. We're not sold out of them. I have to try to rig them up the bullshit that we have here. I'm telling you, that box was even harder to open the other day than the normal box. I knew there were boxes on top of boxes. It was much appreciated, trust me. 03:07:33.200 --> 03:08:02.480 And you guys have a me club. Do you want to talk about the me club? I assume there's openings now because you mentioned it. Yeah, yeah, we have some me club openings. So basically how it works is it's every quarter, so every three months you get four bottles. Two are usually exclusive that you can't get to in here online. You get a 10% discount online. You get 15% off when you come in store. 03:08:03.200 --> 03:08:33.120 You can sign up on our website. Same as it go under the mead tab. It says mead club sign up. The last the last bunch that we did was the 12 labors of Hercules. So John came up with a different mead for each labor. So it was pretty wild. So the Nemean lion John used an African honey. What was the hydra used herbs that were supposed to ward off serpents. So yeah, there's a lot of thought. 03:08:33.680 --> 03:09:03.160 That was a great idea. I mean, that's one of the ones I'm drinking now, the 11th labor, the apples of Hesperides. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They all turned out super cool. So wait till you try the Cerberus. Is that the 12th? Yeah. That's the 12th. Yeah. That's the pomegranate. Oh, it's so good. I just finished your Thunder Oak while we've been talking. I lost that one. It's a 17%. 03:09:04.500 --> 03:09:07.080 I was drinking seeds of the underworld which 03:09:07.300 --> 03:09:10.880 was quite good. My glasses made it seem like it was 13% and it went down really easy. 03:09:12.260 --> 03:09:15.640 I think all their meats go down easy and they're very deceptive. 03:09:16.000 --> 03:09:17.920 Yeah. Yeah, try to make them smooth. 03:09:18.710 --> 03:09:21.440 Very smooth. I've got the seventh labor of Hercules. 03:09:22.779 --> 03:09:24.040 All right. Delicious. 03:09:24.670 --> 03:09:26.040 Oh yeah, that's a good one. 03:09:26.290 --> 03:09:26.940 You got the cherry? 03:09:27.840 --> 03:09:30.240 That's the one that has all the herbs in it. 03:09:31.880 --> 03:10:01.020 Oh, before you go, this question came up, I think on another cast, but how long should people save mead for? I think we'll ask this question. Yeah, if that was me, because I've had this one for like about a year. I save no mead because I just drink them right away. But how long do you guys recommend, you know, if you want to save a mead for a rainy day, how long? So it really depends on the mead and the alcohol strength and like whether it has fruit or not in it. 03:10:01.180 --> 03:10:30.480 So if it's like a really like higher alcohol mead with like a lot of dark fruit, they'll keep for years. I mean, they'll keep over 10 years. Now things that are like lighter with like peaches and apples, you probably want to drink them up within like by year three. And like traditional meads tend to keep a little longer as well. So you can keep them, you know, probably up to five years. I mean, they don't really go bad, but the flavors change. Some, I mean, some, some get really good and then some, 03:10:30.500 --> 03:10:32.740 the flavor kind of goes downhill after a while. 03:10:33.060 --> 03:10:33.420 Yes. 03:10:33.660 --> 03:10:37.180 So if I did join the club, I'd be okay with stockpiling. 03:10:37.880 --> 03:10:38.020 Yeah. 03:10:38.300 --> 03:10:38.420 Yeah. 03:10:38.780 --> 03:10:39.180 All right. 03:10:39.360 --> 03:10:41.660 So there's nothing like beer, especially with the hops. 03:10:41.660 --> 03:10:43.160 The hops start to degrade very fast. 03:10:43.300 --> 03:10:47.320 So you need to drink it within a few weeks slash months. 03:10:47.700 --> 03:10:56.180 So mead, even whatever I guess would be the worst case scenario, you can save just about any mead for over a year. 03:10:56.220 --> 03:10:56.840 Is that what you're saying? 03:10:57.120 --> 03:10:57.380 Oh, yeah. 03:10:57.600 --> 03:10:57.700 Yeah. 03:10:58.000 --> 03:10:58.060 Okay. 03:10:58.540 --> 03:10:58.940 Definitely. 03:10:59.500 --> 03:11:28.740 We've had this conversation on the podcast a couple times, I think, or privately, because I was like, I don't know. I know about beer. I don't know anything about mead when it comes to aging. I mean, I have some stuff in my cellar at home that's like 15 years old and it still tastes fine. But it, you know, it's like I said, they're higher alcohol, dark fruits, so the high tannins, high acid and stuff kind of preserves it. Just like sour beers, like they keep forever. They don't go bad. That reminds me of another question. So, you know, you have a big bottle of mead, 03:11:29.560 --> 03:11:59.120 Can you theoretically pour a glass, drink it, bottle it, and how long, once you open it, can you still store it? Because does it have, does oxygen have the same effect on mead as it does in beer? Because once oxygen hits beer, it's done. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It does. Oxygen does affect it, but it's much slower, especially like a traditional mead, like a traditional just honey, water, and yeast. There's nothing in it that's really going to oxidize. 03:11:59.180 --> 03:12:29.160 as fast. Beer malt oxidizes very quickly. Hops oxidizes really quickly. If you open up a bottle of mead and you pour a glass, put the cork back in it and put it in the refrigerator, it'll keep for months. Nice. Awesome. You made the perfect alcoholic drink for the Armageddon is what you're saying. Yeah. Well, honey is the perfect food. It doesn't go bad. Yeah, that is true. That's why John will survive if there's any kind of 03:12:35.219 --> 03:12:38.560 I heard that about him. I heard he doesn't even have blood. It's just me. 03:12:45.659 --> 03:12:50.080 I'm sorry. I'm signing up. 03:12:54.800 --> 03:13:24.180 I have to actually run myself right now. So I don't know if you guys want to keep going. That's great. I just want to thank you guys for coming on. I have to run. All right. Okay, guys. See you. So do you guys have so we've talked about this with you guys before and we've talked about it amongst ourselves, but we really want to actually record an episode with you guys up at the metery. So yeah, we talked about that. 03:13:24.820 --> 03:13:54.060 Yeah, we, um, so do you have a space, like whether it's actually in the meatery itself or in the, in the, in the tap room or something that we could actually accomplish this goal? Yeah. Yeah. We could definitely do that. Or we'll make a space and we'll kick people out. No, man. I like, I like the idea of people just like walking by and being like, Hey, I'm here for some meat. Oh, Hey, well, Hey, what do you think? What do you think of the mead? And, you know, hold up a mic. You need to go to the Viking fest and then record. 03:13:54.300 --> 03:13:55.220 Actually, you're right. 03:13:55.560 --> 03:13:58.140 And I would actually be a separate interview with them. 03:13:58.740 --> 03:13:59.680 Yeah, talk to the bands. 03:14:00.180 --> 03:14:05.980 Well, our bartender, Damien, he's good friends with the guys that are from Full of Hell. 03:14:06.110 --> 03:14:12.360 He was playing guitar with them early on before he decided to leave them, which was a mistake, obviously. 03:14:12.980 --> 03:14:15.000 That's what I told Will and John. 03:14:15.070 --> 03:14:17.380 I was like, dude, Full of Hell is like Ocean City guys. 03:14:17.470 --> 03:14:20.880 I was like, we need to go down, interview Full of Hell, and then when we're done with them, 03:14:21.040 --> 03:14:50.500 or bring them over to Birmingham and just do it all there and just make a fucking, you know, an event of it. Full of Hell played a very infamous show at Atlas with Outer Heaven. It was out of control. So who's the guy? When I was there, there was a guy behind the bar who was just like Chuck Norris ate a Viking. Who is that guy? That's Dwayne. I was like, oh my God, you were just like tall. 03:14:50.620 --> 03:15:18.080 and Chuck Norris and like, I was like, damn, handsome. And are you single? Oh, yeah. I mean, if I was into dudes, I'd been like, mm-hmm. What do you mean if? You guys don't count. It's not gay if you don't like it. But yeah, I was like, I walked in and I was like, well, here's a selling point. 03:15:20.600 --> 03:15:49.940 He's a Swedish dude. His ancestry is Swedish. He was one of our investors actually. He worked at Dogfish with us and when we left there he left Dogfish and came with us. He's the one that gave all their tours so he likes talking. He only helps us now just like once in a while. He's retired at this point. So I got lucky. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 03:15:50.620 --> 03:16:20.440 The infamous Dwayne before he left. That's awesome. You guys heard here. George got lucky. With a big Swedish guy that he just fawned over. Yeah, hey, it's, we're in that area. Awesome. Well, thanks so much, guys, for coming on. Thank you. Love your meets so much. I love talking to you, JR, and email. It's been fun. We appreciate all your support, too. 03:16:20.620 --> 03:16:50.140 I mean, thank you so much. Anytime. And you know, if you ever want to come on and just bullshit with us, let us know. Oh, that'd be fun. I'm almost down to talk about metal bands. Yeah. Come down to Atlas sometime. Get your own t-shirt. Okay. I know I am. I'm trying to make it down there. It's been a while since I've been to Atlas. I'm kind of itching. I'm like, what the hell? It's been a while for me to like for a show, actually. For any show. The Sayor show. And, uh, 03:16:50.620 --> 03:17:20.440 Things just didn't work out right. Oh, yeah. The Wayfair. I think it was Wayfair and Soar. I talked to the guys like, how do you pronounce this? They're from Scotland. Scotland. It's just called Soar. Like an eagle, it's Soar. It's funny because I was actually just watching part of that show because that was the show where somebody rerouted all the power cords and put them all daisy-chained into one outlet and the power kept going off. So there's this YouTube video of Wayfair, 03:17:21.159 --> 03:17:50.440 And I'm in the back behind the stage. Cause that's where the electrical box is. Just like constantly flicking the power back on, start again, power back on. Anyway, and it was hot. It was like a hundred degrees. Oh yeah. That was in the summer, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. It's brutal in there. But anyway, come down for a show. I'll buy you a beer. If you're there in the summer and I'm there, uh, just look for me in front of that big ass fan. 03:17:50.620 --> 03:18:17.580 Because that's where I'll be because it's hot as hell in there. John and I both hate traveling to cities. So it's like twisting our arm to get us to go into Philly or go into D.C. Oh, yeah. I hate going into D.C. And then, of course, we've been in L.A., Chicago, Philly recently for festivals and music festivals and mead stuff. Yeah. We haven't been murdered yet. 03:18:20.620 --> 03:18:50.480 haven't shown up. Just wait for it. Fingers crossed. Hopefully we all get to go to a Decibel Fest again. Yeah. They rescheduled it, so hopefully they keep that date. Yeah, next year. Yeah, April 9th and 10th of 2021, which is still a suspect time period from what I'm hearing, but hopefully it'll happen. Yeah, I'm hoping they have some cool bands that we can work with. 03:18:50.500 --> 03:19:20.480 We were kind of this last one. A lot of people didn't want mead. So we were kind of grasping at straws and the dudes from Satan were pretty cool. And they're like, yeah, we'll do something with you. Have they tried your mead? No, no. So Albert wanted us to work with Mayhem and they hate mead. What? All right. They're fucking posers. And then we were going to do Immortal because they're 03:19:20.500 --> 03:19:50.480 their manager is friends with the enslaved guys. The enslaved guys said how much they loved it and how good it was. So they were all about it. Two weeks later when we were like, yeah, we're going to work with the vet. And then all that stuff with South America happened. And I'm like, well, I guess that one's out of the... We kind of went off the deep end. Rehab, yeah. So yeah, well, you know, we'll figure it out. If not, then we'll just bring it back. 03:19:50.560 --> 03:20:20.460 a bunch of good stuff. Maybe we'll remake Goat's Blood for that one. Yeah. A napalm death mead. We know they're coming. Yeah, I think Wake's made beer for napalm death, I believe. That's right. We're pretty good friends with the guys from Wake Brewing Company, too. Jason and Justin, they're good dudes. I'm sure, you know, whatever mead you make at the Decibel Fest, we're going to drink. 03:20:23.199 --> 03:20:50.100 I haven't had any that I didn't like. We will be bringing our Viking fruit punch. So John makes an 8%. It literally tastes like Hawaiian fruit punch, but it's made from honey and cherries, pineapples, and orange. So we can it. We're going to bottle some of it. So make sure when we bottle it, we'll make sure to get you guys some awesome. Well, we were in the same hotel last time, so maybe we need to coordinate a little better next time. Yeah. 03:20:50.500 --> 03:20:58.040 I was trying to coordinate an interview for the decimal, but then everything went to hell. So yeah, definitely do it. 03:20:58.540 --> 03:21:20.480 Will, will dropped us off a bunch of beer. So that was, yeah, I brought like, I don't know how many cases of beer. And then it was the last day we're getting ready to leave. And I ran into you guys in the lobby and yeah, I'm like, here, I just take some beers, take it. But yeah, the problem, the problem last year was that they were remodeling the hotel lobby and the hotel lobby is where 03:21:20.480 --> 03:21:48.762 We just hang out before the show like all day and we would just like like carcass would walk in like hey guys from carcass and Dan Liliker from from nuclear assault and blurring and and SOD and brutal truthy would just walk in like you know hang out with them and like all these like famous people so we always had so much beer that we would just like hand it out to everybody but this year because they it was under construction there was no curvy couch to hang out on so it's like man I had a lot of extra beer 03:21:49.800 --> 03:22:18.140 I'm glad I found a good home. Oh, yeah, we enjoyed it. All right. Well, April 2021. Hopefully we'll all be there. Fingers crossed. Well, hopefully let's let's let's try and do this. If things open up this summer or even late summer, maybe even early fall. Let's let's let's make this a point. Let's get up to Milton, Delaware. I'm down. Let's go to Brimminghorn. I've I've been telling you and John, let's do this. Let's do this. 03:22:18.160 --> 03:22:47.520 And you guys are like, I got family, I got kids, fucking bullshit. I'm like, you fucking tell me, I'll be there. You, you know, even if, you know, we have to be quote unquote closed to the public again, we can do whatever we want. So you guys come in, we'll party. Whatever works, man. I'm there. Drink some mead and, you know, crank up our real shitty speakers that we have. Yeah. 03:22:49.499 --> 03:23:18.080 You couldn't live. You really almost couldn't live farther. I'm on the most remote place on earth. Yeah. Well, maybe we should come out and visit you in Hawaii. Come on out, man. That'd be great. How's the pandemic in Hawaii? You know, it's not bad. I mean, I've been a freelance writer and stuff for a long time, so it's not really that much different. I actually have more work now, I think, in the pandemic. So I'm used to being by myself. It is sucks a little bit. 03:23:18.180 --> 03:23:48.000 because I moved out here six months ago and I can't go and do the outdoor activities. Stuff's starting to open because we haven't had a lot of cases recently. In fact, we had zero cases in the last maybe week or so. So stuff is opening, but I'm not going out there. I want to wait and see what happens. You know, I don't know if I told you, Marcus, because I might have kept it to myself because of the way things went. But Barb and I were talking about coming out there like last month. Oh, really? Yeah. 03:23:48.160 --> 03:24:15.440 I like in March or April, we were like, yeah, we're going to, we're totally going out there because she's been, but I haven't. And so she's like, always been like, we need to go. And she's like, Markisan there. Let's go. Let's do this. And that was the plan for like this spring. And then boom, should happen. And hopefully you guys will be able to do it another time, but cause it's a great place. I really enjoy it here. There's actually some meteries here. I haven't been to them yet. Cause I just discovered them, but I'll have to check them out soon. 03:24:18.160 --> 03:24:45.620 I've had that one, but I haven't been to that place. That was pretty good, I thought, from what I remember. There's not a lot of meaderies I like. I love your meadery, of course. I think I really like Falcon Meadery that's out west. It was pretty good, really strong. But other than that, I haven't been a lot. But the beer here is pretty strong. I was surprised because, you know, I lived in Chicago. Most craft brew anywhere. 03:24:46.540 --> 03:25:15.680 So I was a little bit hesitant to come out here, but I actually like it better because there's less selection. They have some really good breweries, some really good beers, and I don't have to buy everything. But I also get a lot of beers from California, too, at this place called The Village, which is a really great bar beer store. So there's a lot of beers from California that I had never heard of or just wouldn't be able to get in Chicago that I can get out here. So that's a great place. 03:25:17.060 --> 03:25:46.520 Yeah, I'm sure we'll be there at some point once things open up. It'll probably be like two weeks after you move back to the States, but you're not the States, but you know, the mainland. Yeah, I don't know how long we'll be here. I mean, we committed for two years, but we might stay a little bit longer. We're thinking maybe like five years. We won't stay forever, though. Yeah, it's just it's expensive. I mean, Tracy, my wife, her company pays for the upgrade in the cost of living and we live in Chicago and it's expensive. But here it's just crazy. Especially if you want to go to the States. 03:25:48.580 --> 03:26:15.860 Yeah, it's ridiculous. So, I mean, we were looking at a house in Illinois. It was like $500,000 just for a small house. We don't have any kids, nothing. Here, it's double. And the house, the house that you can get here are not in good shape. So, to me, it's not worth it buying real estate out here because you're just sinking a lot of money into it and then you're going to keep sinking money into it. So, I think it's probably going to be like an extended vacation, really, where we can see all the islands, 03:26:16.120 --> 03:26:43.300 Enjoy Hawaii, you know, the island life, but hopefully if the pandemic goes away and we can actually enjoy Hawaii, but I want to recommend anybody come out here in bed because it's great. It's really nice. Do you guys, I assume you're like fans of Grimfrost, the Johan company? I mean, they kind of use their, our phrase, Kiss, they use that name for their beard oil. Oh, well, fuck them then. 03:26:45.560 --> 03:27:13.080 I mean, I like a Monomarth, I guess. They do have some cool, some of their stuff is pretty cool. I mean, you know, they're going around trying to trademark words from mythology and stuff like that so nobody else can use them. Really? Yeah. Fucking Johan. Yeah, it's getting really weird. But, you know, they did like... The Gene Simmons of Viking metal. Yeah. They got a good thing going, you know, 03:27:13.400 --> 03:27:42.840 5 million followers or something like that. I mean, they're Swedish. So, you know, they have the whole like tie to the Viking thing. I mean, John and I feel like we're a little bit more serious than the way they kind of do some of their stuff. Yeah, whatever. Enough said. All right. Anything else before we call it? That's good, man. It's been great. All right. John, JR, 03:27:43.400 --> 03:28:11.820 Thank you for coming on. And we hope that things will open up again soon so we can come out and see you guys. Yeah. Thank you guys. And yeah, we appreciate all the support. And yeah, let's get together and do some crazy, crazy stuff. Crazy shit. It's cold. Definitely good to see you guys. Thank you very much. It's been about a year since I saw you guys at Thespel. So it's good to see you guys. Big Steve's coming down next weekend, I think. So is he? Yeah, I think he's sneaking in. 03:28:14.659 --> 03:28:42.920 The Looch. The Looch. Everyone else. He's got three cases of meat. Good Lord. He's crazy, man. He's crazy. Well, tell him we said hi. We will. All right. Stay safe and thank you again for having us. This is an awesome time. No problem. Like I said, any time. We'll see when the world starts spinning again. We will get up there and see you. We'll get to Atlas. 03:28:43.800 --> 03:29:12.220 Yeah, guys, come to the show. Let us know about the braggant stuff and we can figure something out. Yeah, yeah. If you still want to do that, I'll get the ball rolling on our end. Sounds good, man. We'd love it. Thanks, Will. All right, guys. Take it easy. Take care. Talk to you later, guys. Bye. Bye. Hello, and welcome to the Metalheads Podcast. My name is George. This is Will. This is John. This is Matt. This is Markisan. 03:29:13.400 --> 03:29:43.360 Joined by Utkiaru. Welcome, gentlemen. Zach, Dustin, Noel, how you doing? And the picture that Will is showing of... I don't know if Zach wants me to describe it or not, but... We have another member who's joining us tonight. Oh, it's definitely a member. We're doing great. Yeah? Well, as good as we can be, probably. Y'all seem well. Nobody's sick, as all 03:29:47.299 --> 03:29:48.400 All of our families. 03:29:50.500 --> 03:29:50.620 Yes. 03:29:51.000 --> 03:29:51.160 Yeah. 03:29:51.800 --> 03:29:52.040 That's good. 03:29:52.040 --> 03:29:58.940 We had a close friend of the band had his mother pass away from the coronavirus. 03:29:59.260 --> 03:29:59.740 Oh, no. 03:30:00.120 --> 03:30:01.040 He's truly unfortunate. 03:30:03.400 --> 03:30:09.660 And the only reason we bring it up right off the bat is because it's someone some of you guys have met, 03:30:09.720 --> 03:30:39.540 Arody who's been on our tours. We were just talking about him. Yeah. Graced Atlas with his presence. So yeah, we're feeling really sad for him. What's his name again? His name is Noah. That's right. Yeah, I know. I remember him. Yeah, I remember him. We were literally just talking about him because I think John was like, isn't there a fourth guy in a band? Like, no, I think that's just a roadie. That was actually George. Yeah, I was like, who's that other guy? Sorry to hear that. Condolences. 03:30:39.740 --> 03:30:41.240 to him. Yeah, to Noah. 03:30:43.660 --> 03:30:50.980 All right. Well, it's good that you're all doing pretty well. How about like working and stuff? Are you all able to work remotely or yeah? 03:30:51.720 --> 03:31:09.640 I think it's different for all three of us. Dustin's going through a lot. He's finishing dissertation. I'm currently not working. My girlfriend is working from home. So, but the way things are going in Wisconsin, they might be opening things. 03:31:09.700 --> 03:31:14.120 things up relatively soon so next couple weeks might have some news for my job 03:31:15.860 --> 03:31:25.200 Zach yep well I work at a music store so right now we're deemed I guess one of the essential 03:31:25.760 --> 03:31:30.200 businesses and by music store I mean like instruments not like CDs and vinyl and all that 03:31:30.880 --> 03:31:39.660 so right now after being laid off for like a month we've been kind of back to like 20 hours so I right 03:31:39.700 --> 03:31:41.840 working like Monday, Wednesday, Friday, 03:31:43.070 --> 03:31:48.060 just doing mostly like backend website stuff because no customers are allowed in the 03:31:48.200 --> 03:31:52.980 store still. So, but like Noel said, yeah, our governor, 03:31:54.020 --> 03:31:59.260 Tony Evers today just announced that we might be opening things up quite 03:31:59.500 --> 03:32:03.880 soon. We'll see how that goes. Yeah. 03:32:05.100 --> 03:32:08.540 Good luck with that. Yeah. We'll see. Yeah. 03:32:08.660 --> 03:32:38.640 How are your numbers? Like Maryland, they're like, yeah, we're going to be opening up some stuff soon and our numbers are still climbing, let alone not even tapering off, but still climbing. How's that looking out there? Well, it's kind of difficult to tell right now because our numbers, I mostly look at my county's numbers, so I live in Winnebago County, and our numbers have steadily 03:32:38.680 --> 03:33:08.640 increased, but that's also due to more testing and everything that they've started to implement. I know Waukesha, and Noel, you can probably talk about this, I think Milwaukee just opened up a bunch of testing sites too. Yeah, I've been seeing them around more often. I've also been seeing a lot of people not giving a shit and just doing whatever they want at this point, which is, yeah, I mean, it's hard to restrain people from 03:33:08.680 --> 03:33:38.640 and doing things that they want to do, going out and doing that. But it's been a mixed bag in Milwaukee for sure. All three of you are still in Wisconsin. Is that correct? I'm in Minnesota. That's right. Yeah. So Minnesota right now is in kind of a tough spot with a lot of the meatpacking facilities getting hit really hard. And there's a number of major centers, meatpacking centers in the state. And they've kind of become mini epicenters for the epicenters. 03:33:38.700 --> 03:33:43.280 which is you know just spread so easily in the confines of those factories 03:33:45.101 --> 03:33:49.920 so the latest numbers i've seen have been skyrocketing compared to what they were 03:33:50.700 --> 03:33:56.340 two or three weeks weeks ago yeah by the way just a thought occurred to me not to make light of 03:33:56.350 --> 03:34:01.440 the situation but we just found the new name of george's recording room in the basement of his house 03:34:01.870 --> 03:34:08.640 the meat packing facility only when you guys are here though see lately it's just been the meat 03:34:08.640 --> 03:34:09.220 Smacking. 03:34:10.221 --> 03:34:11.700 Oh, Jesus. 03:34:12.180 --> 03:34:12.360 Smacking. 03:34:12.400 --> 03:34:14.820 Oh, George, that's the other room down the hall. 03:34:15.480 --> 03:34:17.300 That's any room I'm in alone. 03:34:18.801 --> 03:34:22.280 That's also the name of Ukiyaru's touring van. 03:34:25.380 --> 03:34:28.760 So I always feel like we do this disservice to our guests. 03:34:28.780 --> 03:34:36.560 So in case anyone doesn't know, Ukiyaru is a melodic death black metal band out of the Wisconsin. 03:34:37.100 --> 03:34:37.440 Minnesota. 03:34:37.700 --> 03:34:38.800 Minnesota area. 03:34:40.280 --> 03:34:41.300 They're favorites of the podcast. 03:34:41.500 --> 03:34:43.340 They've been on numerous times. 03:34:44.980 --> 03:34:47.580 I know I have met them all at least twice. 03:34:48.660 --> 03:34:49.160 Cause they've, 03:34:49.300 --> 03:34:49.400 they, 03:34:49.600 --> 03:34:50.360 when they do tour, 03:34:50.500 --> 03:34:53.760 they always come to Atlas or at least try and make a trip to Atlas. 03:34:53.940 --> 03:34:56.300 So they played Atlas twice and both times were amazing. 03:34:57.620 --> 03:34:58.320 And the hair, 03:34:58.520 --> 03:34:59.040 my God, 03:34:59.620 --> 03:35:00.260 I was literally, 03:35:00.520 --> 03:35:01.960 when I was looking for that one picture of Zach, 03:35:02.140 --> 03:35:06.080 I was just breathing through all the photos I've taken of you guys at Atlas. 03:35:06.280 --> 03:35:06.580 And it's like, 03:35:07.380 --> 03:35:11.500 you're the first band to ever play Atlas that like put the fans down on the floor, 03:35:11.660 --> 03:35:15.420 just blowing. You're just, you know, Dustin and Zach's hair. 03:35:16.020 --> 03:35:19.020 I saw obscure. I do that once. Yeah. And, um, 03:35:19.460 --> 03:35:21.740 it was very Steve. I like for me when I saw it. 03:35:23.100 --> 03:35:26.480 So if you ever want to donate any that I can just glue to the top of my head, 03:35:26.520 --> 03:35:28.800 like just, just a couple inches off the end, you know, you're like, 03:35:28.840 --> 03:35:31.760 I'm going to just trim these, you know, these, uh, these frayed ends, 03:35:31.880 --> 03:35:34.480 just put it in a box, mail it to me. I'm just glue them on. 03:35:35.280 --> 03:35:36.280 I'll feel young again. 03:35:37.140 --> 03:35:38.760 It's hard to keep up. 03:35:40.360 --> 03:35:41.880 It's hard to keep up in the quarantine though. 03:35:42.090 --> 03:35:42.360 You know? 03:35:42.480 --> 03:35:42.680 Yeah. 03:35:42.810 --> 03:35:42.920 Yeah. 03:35:43.240 --> 03:35:45.260 I'm not saying I want the cue ball look like you, 03:35:45.400 --> 03:35:45.520 George, 03:35:45.800 --> 03:35:48.200 but I just got mine cut yesterday. 03:35:50.319 --> 03:35:53.680 And for Garnier Fructis is listening, 03:35:53.920 --> 03:35:55.220 we're open to endorsements. 03:35:56.739 --> 03:35:57.760 We're ready for them. 03:35:58.160 --> 03:36:01.980 And for all our listeners that want my beautifully coiffed skull, 03:36:04.200 --> 03:36:34.180 Did you just say someone queefed on your skull? Yeah, yeah. I think it was Jay because he's not here. But you take the trimmer and you put the number one guard on there, which is an eighth of an inch, and you just go all over, and then you're done. How do you get the shine, George? Turtle wax. You know, about half an hour before the podcast, I was flipping through stuff on my phone, and 03:36:35.021 --> 03:37:04.160 What's the current death toll in the country? Isn't it like 79,000 around there? No, it's closer to 81. 81, okay. So I saw an article that said that the coronavirus pandemic may lead to an additional 75,000 deaths of despair from suicide and drug and alcohol abuse. So you could almost like double the number because of all the people that are drinking themselves to death and killing themselves because this whole thing just sucks. 03:37:04.240 --> 03:37:33.820 So bad. And the quote unquote deaths of despair is now this phrase and it's burned into my brain. And I'm like, what the fuck? So you want to listen to a shape of despair? No doubt. But not no doubt. I mean, no doubt would lead to suicide. And no doubt too. Yeah. But I was just like, thanks for some more uplifting news. Anyhow. 03:37:35.279 --> 03:38:04.160 We don't have any cases of the last few days here in Hawaii, so it's kind of good. Yeah. But now everything's starting to open up, so I expect an explosion to come back. Yeah, I'm speculating that I won't end up actually going back into the office until next year. Just because I don't need to. And I was talking with the VP of my office, and he's on the conservative side of it. 03:38:04.200 --> 03:38:34.180 as well. And I was like, you know, everybody else goes back to work. I'm like, wait another month or so to see if everybody dies. And he's like, yeah, I'm with you there. And since it's supposed to get shitty again in the fall, I'm like, you know, I mean, maybe I'll go in for a couple of weeks and then take the rest of the year off. I don't know. We'll see. Well, yeah, I mean, this, this whole thing is showing how unnecessary it is for, you know, if, if, if people were able to work from home, able to avoid flying across 03:38:34.220 --> 03:39:04.120 across the country for a meeting that's irrelevant or whatever. I mean, why not? The earth is healing right now, you know, less pollution, less smog, less flying around the world. So you should be learning something out of this. And if that means learning that if people should work from home, if they're able to, then yeah, what's wrong with what's wrong with that change? Yeah. My wife's job twice a year, they fly people in. 03:39:04.200 --> 03:39:32.740 And they have these trainings twice a year. And basically all the states, they all converge here for a training of sorts over a couple of days. And they get put up in hotels. And they do that. And obviously they're not going to be doing the one in June because nobody's gone anywhere. And they're arguing over whether or not they can do this virtually. And it's like, duh. Why wouldn't you be able to? I mean, look at this. 03:39:33.660 --> 03:40:03.420 There's nothing you can't do over this. And so I think it's definitely going to impact how things work moving forward. Hopefully. So my arena is academia right now. And it's very quickly totally changed the landscape and the conversation. Schools who are kind of behind the scenes had been creeping towards increased online class enrollment and infrastructure very quickly had to ramp up. 03:40:03.660 --> 03:40:33.101 you know those numbers and as well as the faculty ability to hold those classes online basically mid-semester one week it was in person the next week it was online and at least for the university of minnesota it's still unclear what the fall will look like whether or not there will actually be students on campus whether it'll be half online half in person classes so yeah it's a it's a huge change and universities among other institutions are just 03:40:33.100 --> 03:40:37.160 I'm losing huge amounts of money right now. So Dustin, 03:40:37.320 --> 03:40:38.680 what do you get your dissertation in? 03:40:39.260 --> 03:40:41.560 You just kind of casually threw out there that you may be Dr. 03:40:41.740 --> 03:40:44.960 I feel like we've talked about before, but I, you know, 03:40:45.260 --> 03:40:49.200 well, I can't remember if we were specific, but yeah. 03:40:49.830 --> 03:40:55.040 Yeah. So I'm finishing up my doctoral dissertation in history of science and technology. 03:40:56.600 --> 03:41:00.060 Nice. Nice. So a history degree. Very cool. 03:41:00.340 --> 03:41:25.260 Not the first person on this podcast to be working on that doctorate. I'm looking at you, chemists. There's a lot of angst and despair that goes into a dissertation, so you kind of have to hate yourself a little bit. Both of my siblings have done that. I'm the dumb one. I don't know about that. We do, trust us. 03:41:30.340 --> 03:41:59.620 of you that are not able to work. What are you doing to bide your time? Are you working on music? Or how are you keeping yourself from going stir-crazy? Quarter-life crisis. You know, just a normal quarter-life crisis. I know, I mean, I guess speaking for myself and just for listeners who aren't aware of who any of these whatever the fuck people are, this is Noel, by the way, drummer for Ukiaru. 03:42:00.340 --> 03:42:30.020 Speaking, yeah, me personally, I, the way that it worked for me is I was working for a liquor distribution company. And then once the bar shut down in Wisconsin, they basically had to lay everybody off and said, we're all going to get our jobs back, you know, once the bars open up. But just in the meantime, you're all immediately laid off. So, yeah, yeah, it's, it's, it's kind of bittersweet a little bit. But yeah, personally, it's been kind of a, 03:42:30.180 --> 03:42:59.620 a blessing and a curse as it's probably been for many people, you know, just having free time, being able to work on house projects and help family members and, you know, do stupid things that you never think of before, like get in shape or eat right or sleep enough, you know, or stretch all those things you overlook every day. The first few weeks, I was kind of concerned and frustrated and depressed over, you know, 03:42:59.860 --> 03:43:00.300 Not working. 03:43:01.220 --> 03:43:03.060 And obviously the entire situation. 03:43:03.160 --> 03:43:05.880 But since then, I've kind of looked at it like, this is going to pass. 03:43:06.580 --> 03:43:08.320 And everyone just needs to calm down. 03:43:09.080 --> 03:43:12.420 You know, do that thing that you never had time to do before. 03:43:13.120 --> 03:43:15.220 You know, play drums two hours a day. 03:43:15.940 --> 03:43:16.580 Go for a run. 03:43:17.520 --> 03:43:18.400 All that kind of stuff. 03:43:19.800 --> 03:43:24.880 I recorded my very first song on drums this past week. 03:43:26.140 --> 03:43:26.580 Congrats. 03:43:26.700 --> 03:43:27.220 How'd that go? 03:43:28.060 --> 03:43:28.760 Not bad. 03:43:28.860 --> 03:43:57.180 I mean, it's a very simple song. Lucretia, My Reflection by Sisters of Mercy, which was actually, you know, programmed into a drum machine originally. Wait, you have a drum set or are you doing this on a drum machine? No, I have a drum set. It's an Alisis electric kit, but it's an actual drum set. Where is this in the meat factory? It's literally right there. Unfortunately, this is an iMac. Otherwise, I'd turn it up and flip it around. 03:43:59.000 --> 03:44:26.840 You could always do a solo and just plug in. Yeah. Right now, if you wanted to. Drum solo. No, no, no, no. I don't want to hurt you. Oh, look at that. It's interesting. Oh, okay. Is that new? I got it like right before Christmas. Yeah, so we've never seen it. No, in fact, the whole podcast studio is now way different than last time you were here, 03:44:26.880 --> 03:44:54.960 because until the drum kit, all the guitars and everything were all up in my office. And now I'm sort of, because you guys only come over once, maybe twice a year for the podcast stuff, I'm like bringing all the gear in here. And so that I've got a keyboard over there and guitars and a bass and a couple of amps and drums. What kind of drum heads do you have on that electronic kit? The ones that came with it. 03:44:56.320 --> 03:45:22.960 Oh, those aren't legit, man. It's not like the strike kit that has actual big-ass pieces. It's a step down where they're pretty lame. I wanted to go with that, but I was like, I'm probably going to suck so bad this is going to be in the closet in six months. So I started with mid-level. I was like, if this goes well, I'll upgrade or maybe even get a real kit. I don't know. So I've been doing a lot of that in my spare time. 03:45:27.239 --> 03:45:56.300 Like I did with guitar. I couldn't, 30 years ago, I couldn't spend a lot of time practicing things. I was like, I want to learn something. And so I just started playing things and then I started writing things. And so I was like, fuck it, you know, let's find a simple song and, and learn it and record it. And I, I've got the drums down. I've got the bass down. I was going to start the guitars today, but. Yeah. It's been amazing to me. It's been amazing to me just to think of, you know, people who are 03:45:59.599 --> 03:46:24.420 I guess bored is the worst thing that I could see someone being right now. If you're anxious or scared, that makes sense. If you're concerned, that makes sense. But bored, I mean, yeah, it just doesn't seem to make sense if people are bored right now. Use your time. People like to complain. That's just the thing. Yes, they do. 03:46:25.360 --> 03:46:54.400 I worked on my mid-year list for a little bit. I was not over today. I gotta do that. That's like only a little over a month away. Yeah, I know. That's crazy. So speaking of music, you guys just released a live album. That's right. We did. Let's talk about it. Okay. Well, we basically on the last tour, we tried to record as many shows as we could. 03:46:54.460 --> 03:47:23.920 I have a little zoom handheld recorder that has two room mics and then you can plug it into the soundboard. Yep. It kind of depends, you know, what the how good the sound guy is, how much he cares, you know, what he gives you. So we just kind of narrowed it down to the four that we just thought sounded the best had a pretty good mix. And I work with a guy, his name is Brandon, and he does a lot of local, 03:47:25.020 --> 03:47:54.340 of people. He's really into mixing and mastering. So sent him some tracks and he just did a quick, you know, mix down of them. And yeah, we're like, you know what, let's just release it. Give it to people for free. I mean, why not? I know at least me, I'm, I'm super into, I mean, you guys all know this. We love classic rock. So like, you know, when Neil Young or Frank Zappa, they're putting out all this unreleased stuff. Like I think that's great. Obviously we're not anywhere near that level, but, 03:47:54.460 --> 03:47:57.520 It's just something else for people to have if they want it. 03:47:59.100 --> 03:47:59.700 We want it. 03:48:01.180 --> 03:48:01.860 Thank you guys. 03:48:02.260 --> 03:48:02.680 Pretty quickly. 03:48:03.080 --> 03:48:03.660 Yeah, you did. 03:48:04.860 --> 03:48:07.900 Just out of curiosity, did you guys try to record at Atlas? 03:48:08.160 --> 03:48:09.740 And if so, was it okay? 03:48:10.060 --> 03:48:14.840 I mean, I'm not fishing because it's not on the live album, 03:48:14.960 --> 03:48:18.240 but I'm just curious if you guys recorded and how it sounded compared to the other ones. 03:48:18.380 --> 03:48:19.700 Because obviously we're a brewery. 03:48:19.760 --> 03:48:21.000 It's all concrete, stainless steel. 03:48:21.480 --> 03:48:23.080 So I would always be shocked if it sounded okay. 03:48:23.920 --> 03:48:24.100 Right. 03:48:24.719 --> 03:48:53.280 I would have to go back and look at the tracks. I know I did record it. We just used the room mics for that one because the sound guy wasn't confident that we would get a good feed, he said, or something like that. But we did get a recording there. If I do have it, which I think I should, I could always send it to you if you'd want to hear it. Yeah, I mean, it's up to you. I'd just be curious to see what it sounded like. But you didn't go through the sound board. 03:48:53.340 --> 03:49:23.240 We didn't, no, we just used the room mics that were on the device. Okay. Yeah, I mean, we basically just had those recordings kind of laying around from the last tour that we did in 2019 with Bain from Montreal, which was, it was super fun. And, you know, we just wanted to put something together to put out there that's basically free on Bandcamp, just for people to, 03:49:23.340 --> 03:49:25.060 Kill some time with right now because 03:49:25.580 --> 03:49:26.940 it's definitely a necessary 03:49:28.380 --> 03:49:29.460 endeavor to have a little 03:49:29.620 --> 03:49:31.220 bit of content just for people to 03:49:31.960 --> 03:49:33.540 putz around with as they're 03:49:33.700 --> 03:49:35.460 sitting at home or you know 03:49:35.660 --> 03:49:37.180 not going to their favorite 03:49:37.420 --> 03:49:38.100 restaurants or whatever 03:49:39.280 --> 03:49:40.460 you know it was interesting today 03:49:41.020 --> 03:49:42.800 I had to go pay a bill online so I 03:49:42.840 --> 03:49:44.100 looked at my bank account and I was 03:49:44.160 --> 03:49:46.260 like I don't think my bank account 03:49:46.380 --> 03:49:48.300 has been this low since I was like in 03:49:48.440 --> 03:49:48.740 high school 03:49:50.439 --> 03:49:52.642 and I looked at I'm like what the hell 03:49:52.660 --> 03:50:22.580 happened. And what I realized is that it took a couple days for this band camp. I haven't looked at my bank account in a while, but it's the, cause my, I go through PayPal and PayPal goes to my bank and it takes a couple days. And then I was like, holy shit. Like I almost drained my bank account on band camp day. Yep. Yeah. We, we did, we did some serious damage. Markisan was the, uh, the leader of, of all of us. 03:50:22.640 --> 03:50:52.500 I think with like 30 some odd albums. Not a competition. No, no. There was no comments during the day about how many who picked up. Well, I am the winner. Yes, exactly. But, you know, we were trying to advertise that this thing was happening. And so I posted something about it. And then later in the day when I started seeing how much we were all getting, I mean, I was like, oh, man, we might like it like 30, 03:50:52.660 --> 03:51:22.100 40 albums or something on, then that'd be kind of cool to put up there. So it's like, everybody give me your numbers. And the day wasn't even over yet. And we had 111. And I know it was more than that by the time it finally ended. So I was just like, I went back later on at night around midnight, I think, since we set a few more hours. Yeah. So it was like, holy crap, between the six of us, we keep band camp afloat. On behalf of underground bands everywhere, we'd like to thank all of you. 03:51:22.640 --> 03:51:23.660 That's right. 03:51:24.040 --> 03:51:26.820 And we know it's not just a one-time thing. 03:51:26.900 --> 03:51:30.200 You've built your podcasting careers around. 03:51:30.600 --> 03:51:31.060 I know. 03:51:31.160 --> 03:51:33.500 The week before, I bought 20 albums. 03:51:34.060 --> 03:51:36.600 And I was like, no, I should have saved that. 03:51:37.120 --> 03:51:37.240 Yeah. 03:51:38.600 --> 03:51:43.520 I bought a bunch of pre-order stuff, which I usually don't do because there's no point in pre-ordering digital. 03:51:46.159 --> 03:51:51.700 But I pre-ordered a lot of digital stuff just because the money would go to the bands. 03:51:51.900 --> 03:51:52.220 That's all. 03:51:52.260 --> 03:52:21.740 Have you guys been trying to jam together over Zoom or something else since you can't play live together? Not really. Not that we couldn't try it, but really what's been happening more so is every once in a while, Zach has been the most prolific demo producer of late. But if one of us comes up with something interesting, we'll send a demo along digitally. 03:52:23.159 --> 03:52:51.120 that the rest of us will listen, comment, and we now have a collection of, I don't know, eight demos we're working on, you know, various stages, various directions. Yeah, you know, some of them are very well thought out. Some of them are just two riffs. Were you already working towards a new album? Like, would this be contributing to that, or is this something completely different? I would say it would be contributing to it, yeah. 03:52:51.160 --> 03:53:21.140 Yeah. If there's good, you know, we'll weed it out over, you know, however long it takes. But I, the way we see it now, I think there's serious contenders. There's some interesting stuff. Yeah. So what, what would be your timeline? Do you have a timeline in mind, you know, with or without COVID that you wanted to put out your third full length? For, I mean, we're kind of playing it by year right now. So there, I, I would be 03:53:21.180 --> 03:53:51.140 I'd be lying if I said there was a hard and fast timeline. Hard, fast, and full length. I'm getting excited. So, I mean, really it's, you know, whenever we feel comfortable with what we have. And at this point, we put out three releases in pretty quick succession, at least for us. You know, maybe some bands are doing it even faster, but for us it felt pretty fast. And I think after 03:53:51.180 --> 03:54:20.880 Madness and Creation, the most recent album, we were interested in kind of taking a step back, at least for a little while, and just seeing kind of how we were feeling in terms of what we wanted to make of the next album, what kind of music it would be, and however long that takes. I think we're just kind of going with the flow right now. Don't rush it. Yeah, especially with the past two albums, Madness and Creation and For Darkness, 03:54:21.220 --> 03:54:50.980 subside. Both of those were, I don't want to say they were totally rushed or anything like that, but it was a thing where, you know, we had the albums pretty much, you know, ready to go, went into the studio and then, you know, hit the road right away. We, we, I guess in a way they were then rushed or touring was kind of rushed right after that. So yeah, with this one, we kind of all like Dustin said, want to kind of really take our time and, 03:54:51.160 --> 03:55:19.340 you know, make something really extra special. I don't know. Yeah, we'll see. Awesome. It's interesting, though, because just because Utkiaru has always been a band that has existed with each member living in a different city, we've never, this band has never operated in a way, you know, during a time when we all lived in the same city or anything. 03:55:20.520 --> 03:55:46.920 Me being in Milwaukee, Zach now in Oshkosh, and Dustin up in the Twin Cities. So it's been interesting that we've kind of carried on this technique of writing. And COVID, even though it's obviously annoying and terrible, and it really stops bands from getting together, we never really had the opportunity to get together too often anyway. 03:55:50.540 --> 03:56:19.780 of our normal style of writing over a long period of time and communicating a lot when we all have the free time to do so. Yeah, and it was kind of interesting and funny because right when COVID kind of started to make waves and people were coming to the U.S., I just finished building a studio in my basement. So it was just like, all right, it's done, and now the guys can't even come over. 03:56:22.601 --> 03:56:24.740 It's kind of a bummer, but yeah 03:56:25.721 --> 03:56:27.000 I think another thing 03:56:29.080 --> 03:56:31.960 If you don't mind one more comment on it 03:56:32.801 --> 03:56:34.300 I think we're also 03:56:35.760 --> 03:56:38.960 Taking a bit more time to kind of figure out what we want to say next 03:56:41.200 --> 03:56:44.120 Because as a new band for the first couple albums 03:56:44.920 --> 03:56:49.923 We had a collection of songs and then kind of figured out what they were all saying 03:56:50.761 --> 03:57:19.040 after the fact almost and arrange them such that they had some kind of coherence. And it seems to me, at least from this one, maybe we're still figuring out what actually the narrative will be beforehand, which is a little different for us. And I think we'll make it different and hopefully interesting. Cool. Talk about meatpacking plans. Yeah. I want to actually add. 03:57:19.940 --> 03:57:47.360 I want to ask a little more about this studio you built. So what exactly have you assembled there, Zach? So it's not like a full-on recording studio with a separate control room and all that. There's sound diffusers and all that good stuff. But it's, yeah, I don't know. It was basically just an empty, big, empty, unfinished room in our basement. 03:57:49.960 --> 03:57:50.580 on Instagram, 03:57:51.030 --> 03:57:52.060 a before and after, 03:57:52.470 --> 03:57:52.580 um, 03:57:53.130 --> 03:57:55.080 without any of the instruments or anything in it. 03:57:55.680 --> 03:57:55.840 But, 03:57:56.240 --> 03:57:56.520 um, 03:57:56.940 --> 03:57:57.060 yeah, 03:57:57.320 --> 03:57:57.980 just went through, 03:57:58.420 --> 03:57:59.180 wired it all up. 03:57:59.480 --> 03:57:59.660 Um, 03:57:59.780 --> 03:58:02.020 my dad knows how to do all that stuff. 03:58:02.020 --> 03:58:03.380 So he helped me. 03:58:03.600 --> 03:58:03.860 Um, 03:58:04.880 --> 03:58:05.020 yeah, 03:58:05.300 --> 03:58:07.200 got all the instruments in there now, 03:58:07.420 --> 03:58:08.180 like Dustin said, 03:58:08.500 --> 03:58:08.740 that's, 03:58:09.060 --> 03:58:11.940 that's primarily one of the reasons why I've been just throwing out 03:58:12.120 --> 03:58:13.440 demos like crazy is because, 03:58:13.620 --> 03:58:13.800 you know, 03:58:13.840 --> 03:58:15.180 it's readily available. 03:58:15.440 --> 03:58:16.760 All my equipment's in there now, 03:58:16.980 --> 03:58:17.520 which has been, 03:58:17.910 --> 03:58:18.240 you know, 03:58:18.280 --> 03:58:48.260 under tarps in the basement, you know, for months. So, yeah. I was curious because I actually built a studio, a two-room studio in my parents' house like a million years ago. I had a control room and a sound room and like two, like a window with like two-ply glass at different angles and fucking, we put like two doors with insulation between it. So, there was just like no, and you know, fucking foam everywhere, which I'm now putting that foam 03:58:48.300 --> 03:58:48.840 up in this room. 03:58:49.330 --> 03:58:49.420 Yeah. 03:58:49.600 --> 03:58:49.780 Um, 03:58:50.720 --> 03:58:51.080 and, 03:58:51.220 --> 03:58:51.340 uh, 03:58:51.720 --> 03:58:51.800 yeah, 03:58:51.950 --> 03:58:53.660 it was so like, 03:58:53.780 --> 03:58:53.840 we, 03:58:53.950 --> 03:58:57.800 we even like dropped ceilings and put all sorts of extra installation up in there to make it. 03:58:58.000 --> 03:58:58.060 Yeah. 03:58:58.280 --> 03:58:59.380 So I was just curious what. 03:59:00.200 --> 03:59:02.080 I can imagine that your parents said like, 03:59:02.240 --> 03:59:02.360 yes, 03:59:02.480 --> 03:59:02.640 George, 03:59:02.690 --> 03:59:03.340 you can do that. 03:59:03.780 --> 03:59:05.680 So we don't have to listen to it anymore. 03:59:06.180 --> 03:59:06.320 Yeah. 03:59:06.390 --> 03:59:06.880 And it's fun. 03:59:06.960 --> 03:59:08.760 And it sucks because it's like, 03:59:08.860 --> 03:59:10.200 it's over there now at their house, 03:59:10.390 --> 03:59:10.700 not being, 03:59:10.860 --> 03:59:12.240 it's like a workout room for them now. 03:59:14.540 --> 03:59:16.940 We'd love that George fixed this room up for us. 03:59:17.970 --> 03:59:18.100 Yeah. 03:59:18.160 --> 03:59:48.020 Yeah, well, before it was completely unfinished, I paid for all the drywall and insulation and all the glass and the doors and everything. So that's excellent. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I did, I did some of that, you know, with the drop ceilings and, you know, that kind of stuff. I, I didn't go all out of course, but, um, cause I'm poor, I'm a musician. So I put it all on a credit card. It took me forever to pay off. So it'll get some use. Excellent. Awesome. So have you guys put together a top, 03:59:48.080 --> 04:00:17.740 five list of your quarantine albums that you'd like to have with you if you were dragged off involuntarily to a small padded cell by CDC and said, you know, these are the five, pick five albums and then we're dragging you out of here. Yes, we did. My one question is, do they have to all be metal? That is entirely up to you, but your metal credibility, 04:00:18.100 --> 04:00:46.640 is on the line. But honestly, put whatever you want. Why don't we wait and hear what they are first? Exactly. Now, normally when we do our lists, you know, we go around and around. But for these, we've just been going, do your five, move on, do your five. So whoever wants to go first. I'm happy to go first. And this is Dustin from Ukiaru, by the way. So like half of them are metal. 04:00:47.760 --> 04:00:48.640 Number one. 04:00:49.300 --> 04:00:49.720 No, no. 04:00:49.800 --> 04:00:53.560 You got to go five, even though you just, even though we just heard you. 04:00:54.360 --> 04:00:55.460 Go from five to one. 04:00:55.600 --> 04:00:55.700 Sorry. 04:00:56.340 --> 04:00:57.220 Five to one. 04:00:57.270 --> 04:00:59.040 I like how George didn't even tell you to do this. 04:00:59.400 --> 04:00:59.980 I know. 04:01:00.220 --> 04:01:05.780 I'm in fucking instituting rules that I did not previously state. 04:01:06.160 --> 04:01:09.500 Balance on one leg while you say your list, please. 04:01:09.840 --> 04:01:10.620 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 04:01:10.670 --> 04:01:13.100 You know, it'd be just, yeah, you know. 04:01:13.170 --> 04:01:13.660 Hey, Dustin. 04:01:13.750 --> 04:01:14.320 Number five. 04:01:14.660 --> 04:01:17.400 Before you start, Dustin, just say five, but read number one. 04:01:17.640 --> 04:01:47.600 And then when you do four, just read number two. Or just do whatever you want. We don't really care. I should not have said a number. Just give George the finger. Do what you want. Yeah, do what you want. I don't fucking care. Number five, Skyforger by Amorphous. Number four, Beyond by Omnium Gatherum. Number three, 1111 by Rodrigo E. Gabriela. That's a 04:01:47.640 --> 04:02:17.600 instrumental band from Mexico. Number two, Hysteria by Def Leppard. What? And number one, There's No Way Out of Here by David Gilmour. Ooh. Nice. Wow. Didn't Trevor from Ashen Horde, didn't he say Def Leppard album? I thought someone else said Def Leppard as well. He might have, but. Yeah, but I thought it was, was it Pyromania? Yeah, as any sane person would say, Pyromania. But I'm not going to diss you for 04:02:17.640 --> 04:02:19.880 I like 04:02:20.539 --> 04:02:21.500 P-Romania 04:02:21.600 --> 04:02:22.360 like why 04:02:22.560 --> 04:02:22.700 why 04:02:23.200 --> 04:02:23.580 why hysteria 04:02:23.680 --> 04:02:24.440 over Pyromania 04:02:25.979 --> 04:02:26.460 um 04:02:28.180 --> 04:02:28.620 honestly 04:02:29.440 --> 04:02:30.360 the title track 04:02:30.820 --> 04:02:31.040 um 04:02:31.300 --> 04:02:32.060 is a really good 04:02:32.300 --> 04:02:32.700 plus for me 04:02:32.780 --> 04:02:33.500 I just really love 04:02:33.620 --> 04:02:33.960 that song 04:02:35.340 --> 04:02:35.620 um 04:02:36.520 --> 04:02:37.160 you like 04:02:37.180 --> 04:02:37.860 pour some sugar 04:02:37.920 --> 04:02:38.280 on me 04:02:38.500 --> 04:02:38.620 yeah 04:02:39.180 --> 04:02:40.180 well I mean 04:02:40.320 --> 04:02:41.320 that's fine 04:02:41.580 --> 04:02:41.700 but 04:02:41.900 --> 04:02:42.140 Armageddon 04:02:42.300 --> 04:02:42.740 it's a good song 04:02:42.980 --> 04:02:44.960 it was really close 04:02:45.200 --> 04:02:45.640 to be honest 04:02:45.740 --> 04:02:46.540 I considered both 04:02:46.540 --> 04:02:46.883 of them 04:02:47.579 --> 04:03:16.800 I come from the Pyromania era. I like them both, but Pyromania is my jam. Really, I just didn't want them to take up two slots. All right. Cool. Next. I guess I'll jump in. Next. All right. This is Noel's top five quarantine list. So yeah, it was interesting listening to some of the other answers to this question. I forgot who it was. 04:03:16.900 --> 04:03:21.700 but he didn't they whoever that was you guys were interviewing didn't have a list of 04:03:22.200 --> 04:03:27.320 say their top five favorite albums because you know you're gonna get sick of those right you already know 04:03:27.500 --> 04:03:35.480 them by heart so all father that was tom okay um yeah so i i liked that idea of looking at this 04:03:35.880 --> 04:03:44.423 uh hypothetical question so i'll just uh got mine here and i my top five are uh elder omens 04:03:45.820 --> 04:04:12.900 The New Kralis Split they just put out with Gerion, Garyon, I'm not sure, I don't know that band, but those two releases just put out recently, haven't had much of a chance to sink my teeth into them. The other ones are all 2019 stuff though, if you guys know the name Tal Wilkenfeld, she used to be Jeff Beck's live bass player. 04:04:15.000 --> 04:04:43.980 She's ridiculous. And she just put out her solo album called Love Remains last year. And the last two are local boys that I just got to include here because they're kick-ass. Lost Tribes of the Moon self-titled first album. They're a Milwaukee doom metal band with just shreddy riffs and kick-ass long songs. If you haven't heard of them. Say the name again. They're called Lost Tribes. 04:04:44.060 --> 04:05:13.160 Tribes of the Moon. Is that a Clive Barker reference to that movie that was just mentioned on the last episode? I wish I knew. Yeah, I'm not completely sure what the reference is, but I do. It's terrible. John Lidke. Yeah, it's some sort of reference, but you guys should definitely check them out. They fucking kick ass. 04:05:14.020 --> 04:05:43.880 He's had a few lineup changes, unfortunately. Nightbreed. He's tried to get that band rolling, but they're great. It's like old school doom with just, you know, like Candlemas style doom, which is shreddy, crazy riffs, long solos, clean female vocals too, which is kick-ass. And last but not least, Arctic Sleep Kindred Spirits. Oh boy. Their last album. Yeah. Shout out to Keith. Love Keith. 04:05:44.040 --> 04:06:13.940 Yeah, I got to catch up on that album. It's brilliant. I just listened to it again today just for having it on my list. And anyone who hasn't heard of Arctic Sleep, got to go check them out too. Have you listened to Fight School and Chopping Mall? I mean, Fight School is this guy named Butch Marino. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Related. But they kick ass too. Yeah. It's good workout music. It is. Stack the weights. Yep, so that's mine. All right. 04:06:14.020 --> 04:06:43.960 Quick question, just to follow up on that. Of all of Keith D's bands and projects, is Arctic Sleep his most popular and well-known? Yeah. Yeah, by far, for sure. Longest running one, too. Yeah, he's got to have at least, I think, at least six albums or six releases or so with Arctic Sleep. Yeah. But Unearthed Elf, Fight School, I mean, the guy is just, he's pumping out crazy projects. 04:06:44.020 --> 04:07:12.980 He's a machine. Fantastic. He can do anything. Yeah. Totally. I have to scroll or something like that. Of all the stuff, Chopping Mall is my favorite. It's more my jam. Yeah. You like barbecue? Yeah. Yeah. The song barbecue at the end. I don't remember all the songs. It was the country song. It was very different. There was 500 of them. Oh, yeah. Anyway. 04:07:14.040 --> 04:07:43.720 All right, Zach. All right. Well, I'm going to say I had Arctic Sleep on my list, but I'm going to say a different one that I was actually listening to at work today. I can't remember the name of the band, but I know the album is called God Shaped Void. It's a newer one. That sounds familiar. Psychotic Waltz. Yes, there it is. Yeah, so I listened to that while I was at work today, 04:07:43.820 --> 04:08:13.560 And I thought there were some really awesome parts on that. So I guess that would be my number five. We'll say that. So going forward. So number four would be, this is a little bit older album. It's The Swallow Sun, Songs from the North. One, two, three. And you're hedging your bets because you got a lot of music there. Yeah. That album I loved when it first came out. And I don't think I ever got enough time to fully listen to it. 04:08:13.840 --> 04:08:43.800 I would I mean three discs worth of music is great that was my number one that year nice uh number three is a band called Nectar I don't know if you guys have maybe heard of them uh they put out a new album called the other side this year uh it's just like proggy you know whatever not metal I've seen them before when they were already in their 60s or late 50s early 60s that's awesome yeah I was gonna say I've heard of 04:08:43.840 --> 04:09:13.800 Yeah, they've been around forever. Yeah. Number two is the newest Thy Katafalke album. I don't know how to say it. Knive, maybe. I'm not totally sure. I kind of went with, I listened to the Allfather episode as well, and I liked how Tom, you know, kind of did albums, like how Noel said too. But my number one, I don't know how you guys 04:09:13.820 --> 04:09:43.760 feel about this album, but I know you like this artist. And I just put it at number one because all the songs just make me feel good. Say the Black Album and I'm going to fucking kill you. It's not. It is Addicted by Devin Townsend. I absolutely love that album. Ain't no problem there. Yeah, I just, I don't know. I've been listening to that one a ton lately and yeah, it's a great album. Have you been watching? I'm stealing John's question. 04:09:47.980 --> 04:10:12.940 I have when I can. I actually downloaded Twitch for the first time to watch some of his stuff. Did you see he did three live shows just by himself? I did, yeah. I watched a little bit of one of them on YouTube once it was re-uploaded. The guy's just amazing. I just love listening to him talk and stuff. He's great. 04:10:13.820 --> 04:10:43.720 podcasts now that are all like two hours long where he talks about each album he's made. Oh, really? Yeah, that's crazy. He's done, I think, four or five of those already. We need him on here to talk for hours with us. We could set a record like, you know, eight hour episode or something. Have you tried reaching out to him at all, George? I haven't. So I know you just gave your lists and all, but is there anything you've been listening to that you want to recommend to people to listen to instead of like what your preference is, but like something you've, 04:10:44.040 --> 04:11:13.700 you've picked up during this downtime where you're like, holy shit, people need to know about this. I mean, to be perfectly honest, I sent Dustin and Noel a little list today because for new metal stuff. Did you get two likes and no response? Yeah. I mean, honestly, for newer metal releases, there's so much going out and so much to sift through. I'd straight up go to your guys' Facebook page and look at that stuff. So I was, 04:11:13.820 --> 04:11:43.040 I was listening to Barishi. Am I saying that right? Yep. Yeah. That was, I liked that. The new, so their new album. Old Smoke. Yeah. The new Disbelief record. Yeah. That was pretty punishing. And I've been, Dustin and I are both big fans of these guys, but the Night Flight Orchestra. Yeah. Yeah. They're cool. Nice. Yeah. I've been listening to a lot of that. So those would be my three. Cool. Anybody else? 04:11:45.280 --> 04:12:12.980 So I want to second Zach's recommendation of, I think it's Dicatafelk. Dicatafelk, yeah. Yeah, yeah. A Hungarian guy, and he puts out albums like pretty frequently, but this one in particular, I really enjoy. It's naive or naive. I want to say it's naive and it's just spelled funny, kind of like enema with tool. I assumed it was a Hungarian word, but we'll go with naive. 04:12:15.659 --> 04:12:43.800 The New Cavalor Talk album I really, really enjoy called Splid. Jay would appreciate that. Yeah, I bet he would. If he had bothered to show up. He hates us. No, no, no. He's spending all his time plotting the overthrow of Chemist. I believe the quote was, I don't see what you guys see in that band. Okay, yes. Granted, if he had a number two nemesis, it probably would be you. I do love the fact 04:12:43.840 --> 04:13:13.320 that there are a few bands that we're friends with on the podcast that Jay is not the biggest fan of. And because they listen to the podcast, i.e. you guys, Ukiyaru and Chemist, like they throw it back in his face. But he's honest. I mean, he likes the people. He just doesn't float his fucking stupid hippie boat. It's like me and Trevor's clean singing. No, we totally respect it. But we also have nothing to lose, so. 04:13:16.880 --> 04:13:43.800 Two more I would recommend. One is Silosis. Band out of England, kind of death thrash. New album called Cycle of Suffering after a couple years off. A couple? It was like five or seven? Yeah, yeah. Really tight guitar work. Thoughtful leads, stuff like that. And the last one I would recommend is, it's not really a band, but a woman from Poland, I believe, who goes by the 04:13:43.820 --> 04:14:10.820 moniker of OLS. You can find her on Bandcamp. It's not exactly metal, but it's kind of like dark folk. Nice. I'm checking it out. The first two albums are totally either acapella or with like traditional drums and wind instruments. Do you have an album, given that's only three letters, do you have an album title to go with that in case I have trouble finding it? 04:14:13.840 --> 04:14:18.140 their most recent one is like uh widma i'll look it up real quick 04:14:18.520 --> 04:14:24.760 widma or windma okay that's probably enough for me to find it yeah i mean you can find it george just 04:14:25.280 --> 04:14:32.380 scroll down i just found it with no problem okay yeah yeah yeah i uh i uh i shazammed an artist for my 04:14:32.540 --> 04:14:38.363 wife last night on something we were watching and it's total pop music um although it had like a bit of an 04:15:08.380 --> 04:15:38.320 at all. Well, hey, man, go to Wacken and it's like half the music you hear is metal and half the music you hear is fucking pop music and the Germans love it all. Yeah. Apparently you've never been to London. Well, I have. Cheers, Mike. So, all right. Cool. Well, I've got some things to check out. So that's awesome. Does anybody else have any more questions? Yeah, I was going to say, hey, Zach, just in case, since you mentioned Barishi, Old Smokey, 04:15:38.380 --> 04:15:40.860 They went to a church just the other day 04:15:41.600 --> 04:15:42.660 and did a live YouTube 04:15:44.419 --> 04:15:46.040 playthrough of their entire new album. 04:15:46.350 --> 04:15:46.820 It's kind of cool. 04:15:46.820 --> 04:15:47.220 Oh, wow. 04:15:47.690 --> 04:15:48.880 I read that down and check out. 04:15:49.100 --> 04:15:49.720 Yeah, it's on YouTube. 04:15:51.120 --> 04:15:53.000 I meant to actually try and see it live, 04:15:54.279 --> 04:15:55.680 but when am I going to dedicate 04:15:56.120 --> 04:15:57.040 in the middle of the day 04:15:57.090 --> 04:15:58.200 or even in the early evening, 04:15:58.320 --> 04:16:00.940 like two hours to go sit through YouTube 04:16:01.450 --> 04:16:02.360 or maybe even an hour. 04:16:03.180 --> 04:16:03.920 Yeah, I love that. 04:16:04.020 --> 04:16:05.440 I love the concept of these people, 04:16:06.180 --> 04:16:07.583 these bands like Enslaved 04:16:07.600 --> 04:16:35.423 and everybody else doing catatonia doing live stream shows but i'm like that's just not convenient for me i'm sorry i can't watch that well yeah because they're all in europe and we're all working or if you are working did you guys see that catatonia charged 10 euros yeah for the show i noticed uh don from uh temple of void was uh was apparently watching because he was on facebook going anybody watching this that's smart i mean if you can get the money why not right yeah 04:16:38.100 --> 04:17:04.780 I think Aranti Pazooza is doing something on Friday. You read my mind, John. I was just going to ask you when. Yeah, I got to check the time. Sweet. Yeah, but I think it's going to be in the afternoon for us. Of course. I have a quick question for you guys. All right. If you, I guess, if there's one album right now that you would recommend we listen to, the three of us, who maybe we haven't heard, 04:17:05.440 --> 04:17:35.360 What would it be from each of you? Let's start with Markisan and work your way towards me so I have plenty of time to look. Good strategy, Dick. Hold on one second. Doesn't have to be metal necessarily, but we're always looking for new music, especially metal. Right. No, it's pyromania. No, you know, 04:17:35.440 --> 04:17:36.900 what it is. I would, um, 04:17:40.261 --> 04:17:44.520 you know, I really like this album, uh, by this band called for listen. 04:17:45.820 --> 04:17:52.760 And it's like a weird amalgam of like post rock and black metal and ambient. 04:17:53.600 --> 04:17:59.820 And it's just two songs and it's fucking awesome. It's F O R L E S E N. 04:18:00.110 --> 04:18:05.400 And there's an owl involved. Yeah. The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the 04:18:06.560 --> 04:18:33.480 I really like ambient, dark ambient stuff. And then it kind of, it gets you, sets a real mood, almost like a most cosmic mood and then hits you with some heavier stuff later on. Okay. But I find myself listening to that one a lot because I do a lot of writing. And so I can, I can listen to that while I'm writing. And then when it gets heavy, then I can just take a break and rock out to it. So that one is, it's getting a lot of good reviews, but I haven't seen that much, you know, press on it. 04:18:35.080 --> 04:19:05.040 The band is made up of people from other bands. And I can't think of who they are right now, actually. But yeah, Forlison is really good. Not for skin. What's the title of the album? Is it just self-titled? No, it's called Hierophant Violent. Okay. So it's H-E-I-R-O-P-H-A-R-O. 04:19:05.080 --> 04:19:35.040 and T, violent, hierophant, violent. Cool. Super good. Yeah, let me know what you think. Awesome, yeah. I definitely will. What about you, Matt? This album is called I'm in the Mood for Love, the most romantic melodies of all time by Kenny G. I can't say enough about this. No, I'm kidding. I've got two. I can't decide between them. One is called, the band is Drought, D-R-O-U-G-H-T. The album is called 04:19:36.181 --> 04:20:03.320 It came out last week. But it's one of those albums you listen to the first time and you keep going back to it. And then another one is called The Band Is With The End In Mind. And the album is called Tides of Fire. And it's another, I mean, Atmospheric Black Metal. I see that basically everywhere. This is more interesting. So definitely recommend checking it out. 04:20:03.940 --> 04:20:33.920 Awesome. Excellent. I do love this question because it's kind of like a preview for everyone's mid-year list right now. Yeah. John. Okay. I'll give you a metal one. I know Markisan down with this album, but I absolutely love it. If you guys are looking for some technical thrash death, that's pretty much in your face. It's pretty balls out. Then I would check this out. It's the new cryptic shift. It's our first 04:20:34.520 --> 04:20:39.400 debut. It's called Visitations from Enceladus, I guess. 04:20:39.960 --> 04:20:40.320 Enceladus. 04:20:41.160 --> 04:20:41.680 Yeah, it's not. 04:20:43.140 --> 04:20:45.200 But I know Marcus and I talked about it a little bit. 04:20:45.600 --> 04:20:46.500 It's a killer album. 04:20:47.080 --> 04:20:50.340 I almost recommended that one, and I knew you would recommend it, John. 04:20:50.520 --> 04:20:51.160 That's why I went with you. 04:20:51.180 --> 04:20:53.620 Oh, well, I figured if you did, I'd just go to something else then. 04:20:55.520 --> 04:20:56.180 Yeah, it's cool. 04:20:57.899 --> 04:20:58.260 Excellent. 04:20:58.780 --> 04:20:59.020 Will? 04:21:01.480 --> 04:21:30.840 The number one thing I would have said was Barishi Old Smoke, but since Zach already mentioned it and you are aware, I would say the other number one thing I would recommend is the Alchemist Sanctuary. It's good, deathy, blackish, progressive. It's kind of got a little bit of everything in there. It's an alchemist and spelled A-L-K-Y-M-I-S-T. I think it's like a one-man band from somewhere. Did you say the album title was Sanctuary? 04:21:30.920 --> 04:21:38.400 because there's like so much sanctuary yeah okay um but uh i'll give you one more 04:21:39.860 --> 04:21:46.640 let me scroll down through my list real quick it's something that i know that may be more in the 04:21:46.780 --> 04:21:55.180 wheelhouse of you guys i'll just say um the new dope the new dope lord which is like a stoner kind of doom 04:21:55.180 --> 04:22:25.160 like evil stoner do metal uh out of poland their new album sign of the devil and it's worth checking out if only for just to check out on band camp uh song number two called hail satan it's it's like a fun gang singing hail satan thing it's fucking awesome i love it okay you can't hate hail satan yeah automatic all right well i can't do 04:22:25.180 --> 04:22:25.340 one. 04:22:29.920 --> 04:22:32.540 I love how you want them to have rules, but you don't have them. 04:22:32.560 --> 04:22:32.780 Yeah. 04:22:34.020 --> 04:22:35.060 Cue up the dope smoker. 04:22:37.920 --> 04:22:38.240 All right. 04:22:39.479 --> 04:22:43.140 The problem is that I don't know if you'll like any of these, but the new abysmal 04:22:43.360 --> 04:22:46.820 I love you put the dope smoker background on you, too. 04:22:48.840 --> 04:22:54.180 The new abysmal dawn album, Philogenesis, is awesome, but it's tech death, so I don't know if you're into that or not. 04:22:55.819 --> 04:23:22.160 One that's really, this is probably one of the most commercial things on my phone, what I consider commercial. George, look up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But this one, it's from last year, but it really, late last year, but it really kind of grabbed me in the last week, and that's the latest Necropanther album, The Doomed City. Okay. 04:23:24.200 --> 04:23:52.120 It's kind of deathy, but it's melodic and it's well produced and all that. And I was actually going to go with The Alchemist as well. So I would highly recommend that. So yeah, I guess I can leave it at that. Awesome. Well, thanks. Yeah, no problem. Any other questions? 04:23:54.220 --> 04:24:23.600 I have a recommendation. If you don't mind. Of course not. I recommend if you think we're not total dweebs, you head to Bandcamp, look up Utkiaru. That's U-H-T-C-A-R-U. And our latest album's called Madness and Creation. I think it's free right now, right? I think all our music's free. Yeah, I think so. It's also a live album with some of those songs from the new album on it. 04:24:24.220 --> 04:24:54.100 If you dig it. Yeah. And. Throw him some bucks too. It's worth it. Yeah. You know we weren't. We weren't going to leave you hanging. I was going to tell people to go buy your shit. He didn't introduce you at all in the beginning of the episode. But he'll tell you at the end to go buy your stuff. I didn't. I thought I did. I said hey this is Ukiaru. Right. But it's more of who's here. Where are they from. What kind of. Are they artists. 04:24:55.039 --> 04:25:24.140 Is it a fire department in Oshkosh? Like, what the fuck is Utkiari, you know? It's been a long day. With a foreign accent, sneezed into their elbow. Are you familiar with the other band that is similarly spelled? It's like Utkiari. They're like some sort of other weird European band or something. It's like slightly the same, slightly different. 04:25:24.940 --> 04:25:54.180 I think it's more depressive black metal kind of stuff. It's not in the same band. It's not in the same class as you guys. That's for sure. Well, we are going to totally destroy their reputation. Yeah, you need like you need a cease and desist right now. There can only be one Ukiaru kind of band name band around and that's us. Exactly. Other band. All right. Well, does anybody have anything else to say before we wrap up? 04:25:54.200 --> 04:25:55.040 this up. 04:25:56.140 --> 04:25:56.360 Oh, 04:25:56.540 --> 04:25:57.660 just good talking to you guys again. 04:25:57.820 --> 04:25:58.020 Yeah. 04:25:58.160 --> 04:25:58.220 Yeah. 04:25:58.400 --> 04:25:58.600 For sure. 04:25:59.260 --> 04:26:00.420 Thanks for having us. 04:26:00.820 --> 04:26:01.760 Thank you for having us again. 04:26:02.940 --> 04:26:03.380 Stay well. 04:26:04.380 --> 04:26:06.800 I like the new zoom layout we're doing instead of Skype. 04:26:07.040 --> 04:26:07.340 Cause it's, 04:26:07.400 --> 04:26:09.880 it's easier to kind of see everybody. 04:26:11.440 --> 04:26:11.600 Yeah. 04:26:11.720 --> 04:26:11.800 I, 04:26:12.180 --> 04:26:12.300 I, 04:26:12.380 --> 04:26:14.220 I almost forgot to tell them today. 04:26:14.390 --> 04:26:14.760 I was like, 04:26:14.760 --> 04:26:14.860 Oh, 04:26:14.940 --> 04:26:15.240 by the way, 04:26:15.240 --> 04:26:16.380 we are using zoom instead of Skype. 04:26:17.359 --> 04:26:18.080 Cause it's, 04:26:18.260 --> 04:26:19.040 it's a recent thing, 04:26:19.180 --> 04:26:20.580 but it works better for us. 04:26:20.680 --> 04:26:22.140 So hopefully going forward, 04:26:22.740 --> 04:26:23.820 everybody will agree with this. 04:26:23.900 --> 04:26:53.860 because as you can see it's a lot easier to see everybody so all right well yeah but it is good to see you guys and hopefully when you guys put out the next album come tour you always have a home at atlas i will treat you right no you always have yes we love you guys sweat it out zach keep keep putting those classic rock albums on instagram it's making my day every time i see them i will i haven't uh man 04:26:53.900 --> 04:27:23.760 I really haven't been listening to vinyl as much as I should lately. But I will. I will. Yeah. He's always putting up albums that I'm like, oh, crap. I absolutely love this album. This is great. Now I got to go listen to it. Yeah. Weirdly enough, I'm at home more, but I'm also at home with my wife and kids now. So I don't play much vinyl because the record player is like 10 feet from where they're trying to do schoolwork. And they don't care. But my wife cares because every time she comes down, she hears music like you turn that off. It's got to distract them. Like, 04:27:23.900 --> 04:27:53.000 What is this? They ask you to put it on. I haven't had to play. I haven't been able to play vinyl in a while because my wife just doesn't like metal. She's been home all day. But today she went back to the office. She's going a couple days a week. All metal this morning. I mean, I listen to it on headphones, but you know, I just like spinning the vinyl. Yeah, I need to do that too. That's right. All right. Well, thanks guys for coming on. And like I said, stay well and we'll talk to you. 04:27:53.900 --> 04:28:01.640 In the future at some point, I'm sure. Oh, yeah. Good to see you guys. Thanks, guys. Cheers. Later. 04:28:23.880 --> 04:28:31.080 I'm all wrong and trying to make you win 04:29:20.999 --> 04:29:23.800 Thank you.